August 16, 2014 Special Agent (SA) Special Agent (SA) Federal Bureau of nvestigation,St. Louis Division Special Agent Special Agent Unintelligible This is Special Agent nd Special Agent We?re with date of birth We?re at and this is the interview of did you see what took place last Saturday? That would have the ninth around noon. Yes, I did, I did not see the did not see the initial start of the situation but I seen the closure of the situation. Because I was on my get reception on my phone? And, um, I heard a gunshot..fo..it, it, it caught my attention. Okay. As it did the attention of everybody else around when I got, to my phone, as far as then talking on my phone, I told the told her, I call them back. Out of town stood that see what was going on and when I looked to see what was going was running after a young man that was running in the direction toward that Okay. He shot again, shot the individual in the back, Mr. Brown, I don't know what part of the back he shot but he turned around, Mr. Brown turned literally put his arms a, in a fashion to understanding that means surrender. So the individual is running away and then turned around and put his After being shot! Okay. Can on this map here..where, where was it..you would say that you saw him running towards? gotta see I?m getting (chuckles) Oh, I understand. That's fine. bend, this bend coming off West Florissant right? Yeah. Exactly? That?s right. this Okay. to run in this direction. Well, he actually ran in this direction. Okay, so he ran Eastbound on Canfield then? Exactly. Okay. be goin be coming-going this way. Okay. I see that, as I walk further on my porch, I see the officer chasing after the individual and he hit him "pow" one time in the the individual realized he was he turns around and immediately put his arms up, and as he?s stepped closer to the-the surrendering himself, his arms up already and he continued to let every round, I mean every round, the visual is so clear. He let every round in his chest off and as he got closer, he let a round off in his head, his cheek, his head and he finished a round and stood over him. many rounds total? I, I didn?t count cause I was was in shock. I, I, I stopped counting. Okay. It was gruesome. the officer continued to shoot at him, in the chest? Do you know what the distance was between the officer I'd say about a good twenty feet. Okay. cap..before he got the sense of back Uh huh. turned around, it was mean-I mean he was close, he was so close. The visual was gruesome. Okay. Could you put an on this map. I?ll give you my pen here, this took place, just so we can confirm. Ican?t number would I be? So this is Canfield right You are (chuckles) are in Exactly. is labeled as building Exactly, yes, that?s a clear visual in which I had. Um, okay, cause this was Crenshaw building right here. This the leasing office, I?m happened. I?m You?re That's right. So, your front porch facing that way. Exactly, so I?m gonna say that it happened, the Yeah, 'cause you can see it right front your front porch, correct? where he turned around, cause I seen when he turned around and immediately put his arms up. Okay. And he started walking back, this direction, toward the officer and the officer closed in on him, literally closed in on him How close was he when you said he closed in on him? (sighs) Ten feet? Ten yards? Less than that. Really? Like from me to the wall, or? He was..he did Like ah, from here to here. Yes, and I think that he did not know did not know to get down. Oh okay. He didn't know to get down. He didn?t know to get down. So, he walked up on him. So he was walking to the officer with his hands up. He didn?t know didn?t Right, 'cause he?s a young kid, probably really never been in trouble. Yeah. Body started feelin? hot. Uh huh. I know I got a bullet in my back, I been, I been shot before, he didn?t know to get down. Okay. did, he did.. Was walk..but with his hands up 4 fashion to where the Oh yeah. You Go ahead, you can say it. He-he-he finished him off. It doesn?t it?s wasn?t protocol. That?s not protocol. It wasn?t protocol at all. Do you remember what Mr. Brown was wearing that day? (sighs) Wow. Can you describe What I can remember is basically shirt on, some shorts, some know stripey socks, long socks and the flip flops in which was left up the he start Let me secure that door too. Okay. (sighs) Okay, so, so to recap correct me if..stop me at any point if, if I?m incorrect about how I understand um, your, ah events here. So, you were standing on your front porch here, on your phone, correct? You heard a single gunshot, is that right? I heard a shot. Okay. And, couldn?t see anything at that No. Is that correct? Exactly. then, shortly I seen Did you your porch there? 5 Yes. And, I seen an individual, I seen Mr. Brown running in this direction, you say what bound?, East bound? You said? Right, so that would be as you indicated there, it looks like it would be eastbound on Canfield. Right, so I seen him running and I, I heard another gunshot "pow" and Mr. Brown turn around and put his arms up. Ya know, and I seen the officer pursuing him, getting up on Mr. Brown was walking towards him cause he didn?t know to get down after being didn?t know no don?t know. Okay. So, the officer, I don?t shot him. Repeatedly. Okay. So, when he was-when he was walking When who was walking away? When Mr. Brown was walking from the officer, or running away, and a shot was fired, do you know if that shot struck him? I, I believe so, cause it was so called, I think the first shot was the shot that went off in the SUV. And that?s when you paid attention? Yeah. Okay. And then that second shot, another was, I think it was three shots prior to me, because there was one shot that went off in the SUV from my understanding. And then another shot went off in the building over there, in which they retrieved the bullet. And another shot went off in his back and the remainder, I don?t know what k..k..kinda clip he don?t know was it a sixteen round with extra in the don?t know what kind of gun he had. Okay. So, we, we want to focus today on know that the media obviously has, Trying to. much as you can, I know it?s difficult. No it?s not. But we want to focus specifically on you know, what you saw. Exactly opposed Exactly, exactly.. ..as opposed to Exactly, it?s all about my visual. What I seen. Right. Okay, so as, as he is walking, or running it walking or running down Canfield? Hah. He was running. He was running, okay. So as he was running down Canfield, you observe..l..assume..ah ..did you actually observe the police officer make the shot or you just heard the shot? The first shot? ljust heard the shot. The second shot, I?m sure it came from the officer. Okay. No, cause I seen the individual turn around. Okay. And, and, and and, and in amazement like, I know he didn't shoot this individual, cause he had no Okay. And when he realized he was shot, he immediately turned around and walked toward the officer. And the did the officer come into your field of view. SA I?m you, to stand out there and see? Yeah. Well, yeah, let?s, let?s go and then come back to the recorder though to though. (shuffling, clothing sounds heard) SA [outside nowOkay. You good? (UI) good, jacket, was right there, listening. See how much ofa visual I have. It?s clear. Okay. Let?s say he tree right there ..he?s walking back, he?s walking, he?s walking back towards the the officer closed in on him. Okay. And, as he walking closer to the officer, the officer continued to let rounds off. Okay. Penod. So walking towards each Yes. ..at this point, and the officer is shooting at him. Yes, sir. Okay. So, again, you?re standing here on your Yes. You hear a shot, right? Yes. You see, ah, Mr. Yes. ..running east down Canfield Yes. ..and then at that point, when did the officer come into view, before or after you heard that shot? He came into I heard the shot, Okay. I?m trying to figure out why is this individual running. Okay. And he turns around immediately, like I said, puts his arms you don?t know that round, right? it was a clear indication because he turned around like this. Okay. So you think he was hit and that time? Yes, I believe that he was hit. Okay. When he was running away. So, you think he was hit in his back then, right? Yes. Okay. And then, he turned around and continued. Yes, he did. Okay. ?cause Brown closed in on the officer in the sense of surrendering himself. Okay. (UI) so I, I, I seen it. I mean seen it ya know? Okay. And so, he, you said then he turned around towards the Yea. they continued to walk towards each other? Yes, Mr. Brown came in closer, not knowing to get down. How close do you think he got to the officer? Stay right there. So that looks like about maybe six, seven feet to me? Okay. The officer got closer, and (UI) got Okay. Okay. Execution style. the officer continued to approach, he did he do? He continued to let off rounds. Okay. And, do you know where the rounds, when he continued to approach him, actually struck then? Based on where I was standing at-based on where was standing at, I could say that it was um, upper chest, lower abdominal, repeatedly, um, and then, um a head shot. Oh really. Where, where was he ah, when the head shot took place? Where was the officer in proximity to Mr. Brown? I mean, it was like less than the feet that we was just apart. Okay. It was a visual to Like an arm?s length? Or what are we talking about here? less than that. 10 That was when the headshot happened? Boom, Where, where was Mr. Brown, like was Mr. Brown standing, was he kneeling, was he on the ground, where was he when the headshot took place? The headshot took got down on the ground. ?Cause he had took several shots in his upper torso and his lower abdominal. headshots came when he, he, less than, he was too-he was close, too close, he was too Okay. individual, Mr. like "don?t shoot?, after taking these bullets. You heard him say "don?t shoot?? Yes. Okay. That was his last words. Okay. He fell, he fell to the ground-he fell he fell to the ground and he continued to let the rounds off. And everybody seen this on a Saturday morning, kids are all playing. Right. So, so he was actually on his when he received the round to the head? Before he flipped over. When he received the round to the head No, he had received the round to the head before he had got on the ground. Okay. 11 still had life in him. And the extra rounds came after sloped over. was overkill. So, when he did he do, did he fall forward? He fell forward. Okay, he fell forward and then what happened? The officer stood over him and finished him off. Okay, can you, can you explain did he finish him Well, finish him off means in a sense finish his rounds off. He?s already bullets, and to actually stand over individual and finish a clip hand] How, how many rounds would you say? I, man, I, I, I was in awe, I, I, I, I couldn?t believe the officer was out I couldn?t believe a officer was out of protocol. Based on a man being unarmed. Okay. numbers, in which how many rounds went couldn?t tell you. Its the Fuck. (chuckles) I couldn?t tell you, man. Okay. So the officerjust, let me make sure that I understand your, your, your description the officer is standing over Yes, sir. While he?s, at this point, laying on the ground. Yes, sir. And he continued to fire? Yes, sir. And he struck him in his head. Yes, sir. 12 Okay. Wha..what happened after that? Hah. Everybody came was seeing it. They was just in awe. Couldn?t believe that this officer for six years on the Uh huh. use protocol, didn?t use a taser, didn?t he was armed, didn?t shoot him in the leg, ya wasjust in awe. Okay. So, crowd started Yes. Okay. Did you see anyone with Mr. Brown? No, I did not. Ididn?t see, like I said, I didn?t see the initial start, ya the people that you s..probably know that was with Mr. Brown, I didn't, I didn't see them. Okay. So you just saw Mr. You know. and you saw the officer? Yes. Can you give me, an obviously a police officer?s is gonna be in uniform, but can you give me characteristics, basically a good description of the what the police officer looked like, to you? (sighs) He was tall. Um, I see (UI) brunette, ah, he was tall brunette, ah, ah, just knew he was in uniform. Okay. Icouldn?t give you a visual really of how he looked. So, he..he was tall with brown hair, you said? Something like that. Brunette. Okay. Ya know, I didn?t, Ijust was, couldn?t, I, looking at the uniform. 13 Sure. Right. Ya know, I'm not Sure. trying to get a Oh, I understand. you know like what type of build he had? If, if he was build. Slim build? Yeah. The officer? Yeah. Okay. Yeah 50 he was tall, slim, he?s got brown hair. Something like that, yeah. Okay. And then, what color are their uniform shirts? It was blue. light blue or navy blue. Navy blue. Okay. [pause] What am forgetting to ask you here? Wha..what else Whatever you want don?t know, I Is there anything else we need to know that we didn't That?s all I know. 14 mean, that?s all I have. we got very general, you know, very general Yeah, okay. why we?re talking to you guys. Yeah, it?s okay. I mean, because, I haven?t been to sleep since Saturday and I was looking to get some sleep. Sure. Yeah, ya know what I?m sayin?? And you got both of us knocking on your door. (laughs) That's okay, but I figured you guys were coming anyway. Yeah. So, um, I have not was tryin? to get in contact with you guys, you know. I knew you was coming. My name is out there already. You know what I?m lwasn?t holding my tongue concerning what lseen. Yeah. It was gonna be told. You know? Um, I wanted to go to the Marines, you know what I?m saying, I wanted to know what I?m get a Do the right thing. Ididn?t get a chance to. You know what I?m saying, and know, and for me to see this..,.itjust, Especially with a kid. You Yes, it tears me up. We know what it?s like. Good God. Now check this out. just found out he?s my nephew?s 15 (laughs) and my sister um, came and visual say he?s been over to her house several occasions, I say how was his character, she say he?s very well mannered. And, and it's like people put displays of trying to assassinate his character, like he was a you might have a visual or camera of him hanging with some individuals where they probably did they did at Ferguson Market or whatever had you, parents, his didn?t tolerate that crap, so the media try to project his character to Right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, that?s the problem with (UI) the media. You know. Yeah, cause they want a story. They need a story. Umm hmm. That?s how they get paid, you know what I?m saying, but if you something out there, put it out the right way ?cause Karma gonna come back and whether you want to accept it or not. You gonna be exposed. Right. You know. Yeah. Clearly the whole situation is very sad. It is, it?s a mean, other human being. has nothing to do with color. You know what I?m saying? Right. You bleed the same way, you got a heart, you got a brain, you police over here. I?m like boonie ..I put my boonie on, I put my boots on, tell you that I?m concerned about the elders over here and the kids over here and there state of mind. perimeter, I check everything and by myself. I?m the same like minded individual ya know what I?m saying. That we go out here..we make sure everybody?s okay. I don?t get in until three o?clock 16 every morning and make sure everybody?s cool, you know what I?m saying. (sighs) Um, just keep doing the right thing 'cause what they?re doing in West Florissant has nothing to do with this community over here. Right. um, what they doing in West Florissant, this where happened at.that stuff that happened at Quick Trip and all the other places, these people coming from the city and the north count, south county and just expressing Hurts you guys. They looking for opportunities, opportunists, you know what I?m saying and we don?t represent none of that violence, you know what I?m saying? Right. Just..we trying to keep the order here. Good. That?s how it should be. Exactly, ya know what I'm sayin?? And I never seen people come together and there is always a tragedy gotta happen before people can come together and what we trying to instill in them is consistency after months and months Well remember that and keep going. Exactly, exactly. Any questions, any additional questions? Ya know, if we leave you with a card, and you can I was waiting for it. was was waiting to see your guys badges too though. Oh, we can give you that too. Yeah. It?s so rainy now we don?t want to get everything all wet. Exactly, right. Do you mind ifl hold it? 17 [End of Tape] So what I?m going to do with card is right the office number on the back of it. Okay. And, I?m gonna lock it in my phone, don't worry. (laughs) Yeah, if you ever need you can call us. Right. You can call either number, I encourage you to call the number of the office on the back, which is Okay. And obviously this is a stressful situation for everyone who?s involved, so if at some point you remember something you forgot to tell if your perception of what took place changes, anything of the like there, just don?t hesitate to reach out to Okay. gonna take your name, they?re gonna take your number and then we?re going to call you back. Okay. I?m, I?m, I?m, the regards of it changing..it?s been consistent. It?s been the same. Because, I mean when you have a seeing what actually went It?s caught. Yeah. And, I mean, I only only seen this when I was twelve, I seen a a mailman take the life of you know, when I was in grade school or Oh Um, he got know. But, a 357 and all the kids playing in the school yard and he take the life of this dude cause of jealousy, cheating, you caught and like He was running everywhere. I can 18 19