August 16, 2014 10:50 am Special Agent Special Agent Special Agent Special Agent Unintelligible (UIspeak briefly in background) Special Agent Special Agent sorry. We are at Apartment the time is 10:50 am, Uh huh. and interviewing alright we?re good. Alright, so how long have you lived here? Um, since last year on December Uh huh. (Talking to kids in the background) SA SA SA SA I think she?s just warning ya. She's scared. Yeah, she?s just scared. Awe, Um, so what we?re doing is, like we were talking about out there, we?re here strictly to try to get any witnesses, any information, any intelligence that people have on this, uh, we come here completely unbiased, we?re not for the police, we?re not for the victim, we?re just to get the truth of what happened. Right Um, some people were asked to talk to the local police, um, we do have a civil rights investigation which almost always happens when there?s a 1 police shooting where somebody is killed, um, there?s always at least a preliminary investigation, you know, by the FBI for a civil rights issues, um, this case being that it?s-it?s getting such attention and unfortunately some of it is very Yes. SA some people are taking advantage of the situation, then it?s, you know we want to make sure that we get all the facts we can. talks to kids in the background, asking them to leave the room) (Background commotion) SA You, ok? Oh, Lord yes Idid witness it. SA You did witness it? Ok, can what, I?m sorry to ask, but what?s your name ma?am? Um, SA What is it? Spell it. SA SA Uh huh. SA And what's your date of birth? SA And no one?s spoken to you yet about this? No, c?ause I don?t stay out here. I was out here visiting my cousin, or SA Ok. was just so happy just standing outside. SA Where?s your cousin live? stay next door but he?s not at home. No, I mean, is he this building? Yeah. Oh. But he?s at work. Ok. And uh. were sayin? you were so you mean? No. Oh. To be out there that day. They..that day it To witness. ..to witness it. Ok. And..when I was standin? out there talkin? to the guy don?t know, he?s next door talking to someone already was standing outside, and the lady downstairs. We was standing outside talking. And..the guys was walking down the street. Now, at first they was walking toward store. Now..not knowing that it was gonna happen. You..you talking about the victim? Right. Mr. Brown? Right. Ok. But him and his friend was comin? back and they was walkin? like in the middle of the street. Didn't hear what the police had said, but when they pulled off, immediately they pulled back. The police? The police. And all I saw was the police arm come out of the window, and grab him by his collar. first shot went off. He tried to run, 3 that?s when the second shot went off. He stopped and with his arms up, never went down to portray that he had a weapon or anything. Uh huh. And when he turned back around the police shot again. And it just and like the shotjust started ringing. And he fell. Police got down, checked him, got up and walked away. There was just one officer? There was two in the car. There were two officers in the car? It was two.. seen two officers in the car. Ok. Um, if you don?t mind, we just gotta take this slow, by piece by piece. Where were you standing exactly? Here, I gotta map. was standin? like..not that far from that dumpster. 0k. Ok, so for example we are in.. I don?t know building we?re in right now.. We are in right here. We are in this building right here. This is the parking lot, this is.. Yes, so this is.. ..where the shooting was. Yeah, it was in this area. Right. That dumpster that?s right there. So, in this parking lot? 50 right there? Yeah, I was standing in this parking lot. So you over in this area? Yeah. Ok. And then were you by yourself you.. Yeah, I was-I was talking, but was literally by myself, you know we was just generally talking, you know. I left for a cigarette, You.. That?s when it, rung off, right there. Right, do you..let me back up just for a second. Um, can you walk me through your day then that morning, leading up the event? Were..did you drive here? drive. actually stay around the corner, on (ph) Ok. And I was like driving through. I seen a couple neighbors and ..asked for a..stopped and asked for a cigarette. Wasn?t nothin? major. Uh huh. And, we was just talking, ?cause so it..we was just talkin? generally. Uh huh. But..just to see all of that, it.. Do you remember who you asked a cigarette? Or you were talkin? to out in the parking lot? You don?t know who it was? No. Ok. No, would..no. But aft..after that he had came down, I talked to him, and that?s when, we..we both saw it. He, The guy-the Which one? ..the guy..he over there talkin? to the agent, and he over there talkin? to an agent.. Oh, right now he is? Yeah. Let me take, let But, I don?t know if he out there, I know they was on the inside Was it on the bottom or the basement? No. The second floor. The second floor. Ok. Yeah, the tall guy. Ok. I mean, he was on his thing, and talkin?. We wasjust all in general we was just talkin?. We wasn?t by each other, or anything. I was standing down there by the dumpster. He was up on the thing. And the lady was just out 'cause they was fittin? to BBQ outside. Uh huh. And..that?s What..uh..do you know about what time you came over here to the apartment complex? It had to be like about maybe 1:00.50 you got here around 1:00? Yeah. Ok. Um, and then..did..did..so you drove your car, right? Yeah. 0k, and which parking lot did you park at? I had to park over there on that side, because I couldn?t get through. You talking about So you were parked over here? ..this parking lot right here? Oh, ok.. ?Cause we?re..we?re right here. the dumpster the other side of the dumpster. On the other parking lot behind here. Ok, so it would be back there? Yeah. (During phone call SA SA SA SA SA Behind this? over there by the dumpster. Um, were you..were you by yourself at.. Yeah. ..coming over here? Yeah. Ok. Were you with anyone that morning, pre-prior to coming here? No. Just by yourself? By myself. Ok. (phone rings). I?m sorry. It's our partners, hold on a second. That?s fine. (speaking on phone) Hey We lost track of them in the buildings. (speaking on phone) Yep. We are in Apartment Yeah, we?re going to be here for a long time, this..this is our first one in this little row. did it. In the-in the bottom one, in the very bottom one. To the right. Alright buddy I'll see you. took, SA and continued to talk) We appreciate you coming forward. No problem. I mean its..this is..this is the only way.. It?s all the truth is gonna come out is Yeah, its hard. ..people actually speak up. And I know, with the chaos, that it makes it even harder because people are more apprehensive sometimes. But it?s more important now than ever, that the truth all come out. Yeah. SA SA (Continues after 50.. I say, didn?t see him in no type of harms, you know, threatening, like being harmful to the police or anything. They rolled up on him, and ike..the guys..the guy said they wasn?t that far from where they was comin?, or where they was goin?. Uh huh. So. ends phone call) Sorry about that. Are they in the building? Yeah, they?re right here. Ok, so you said you were standing in the parking lot, and you saw Mr. Brown and another gentleman. They was walkin. Were they walking on the They walkin' the street. They walkin' in the street. Ok. They were in the street. Ok. And, how far away were they from where you where you were at the time? Man, I was right there by the dumpster, and right where them balloons and stuff at, this is where..that?s where he ran and he stopped. Uh huh. And that?s where he turned around, and he started goin? back towards the police to defend hisself, like-like to give up. Ok. So when you-when you saw them, the..Dorian and Michael. Mr. Brown. They were walkin? coming towards They was comin? like, they this way up the street? comin? like from the..from-from wherever they was comin? from. 8 Yeah. Ididn?t know if they was from or comin? from the store. Yeah. Ididn?t know all of that. Did they come they your They was.. ..or away from your direction? No, they was walkin? towards this way. Ok. And then, so um, don?t want to put words in your mouth, but p..tell me frame by frame, so then you saw the patrol officer passthem. The patrol officer. He..he was comin? like up towards them. He was comin? the back way from the Northwind. Ok. He pulled up like I Northwind. was walkin' this way. Ok. Bear with me, sorry, Ijust wanna make We don't know the area..so.. get everything. Take your time. Take your time. So, alright. So you were here, and you see Mr. Brown and Dorian walking this way. Walking that way. Where..where did the police from? Police is comin' back from this way. Ok. And when they pulled up, I said, I didn?t verbatim hear what the police had said to them or anything. I seen 'em when they pulled off. They..they pulled.. The police had.. Off..or.. pulled off.. Pulled away from them? ..like..pulled away from them. Ok. Uh huh. Next thing you know I seen the car come back in reverse. Ok. And that?s when he went to go and grab him. Michael. ..the driver or the passenger cop? It was the driver. Ok. He went to go and grab him. Ok. When he went to go and grab him, that?s when away. Snatched away. Yeah. Did you you get a good look at both the police officers? No, I didn?t. No I didn?t. Um. It happened so fast, around and fittin? to get ready and run. Yeah. 10 UNKNOWNhuh. And then, that?s when I heard the second shot and turnt around and ook..and that?s when he got outta the car. The police..the driver? The police. The driv..got out of the car. Got it. Was he white or black? White. just.. already know the answer I just gotta ask you these..these questions.. Right. Ok. And that?s when he got outta the car and he.. ike I say he was goin? back toward them like give up.? Had you heard a shot at that point? You ..the first shot, second shot.. heard all the shots. Uh huh. But..the..when did the first one happen? Before police hadn?t even got out the car. But I mean, was said he pulled He out the car? pulled out and grabbed him. he had had his hand on his gun. Ok. Uh huh. And when he away from him, that?s when the shot went off. Ok. So you saw all that. pull 11 pulled on him and that?s when the first shot rung off and I was fittin? to get ready and turned around and I was fittin? to run. Uh huh. When he turnt around with his hands up, and said give when the second shot rung off. Could you see at that point he had been shot? The first shot, I had seen that-l seen that he was shot, ?cause I seen the spot. Uh huh. The red spot on his shirt. Ok. And the second shot, like I say, when he turnt Do you remember-do you remember what color, what his outfit was? (UI) Uh..like khaki shorts type. Like, I wanna say like, uh, greyish type like t- shirt. Ok, did he have a hat? Or no hat? I think he did, I I Yeah. It happened so Oh I understand. I really couldn?t pay no attention, but, I Did you get a good look at the second police officer in the vehicle? No I didn?t. No? Did he ever get out? Yes he got out..Or was it female? Ok. It was 12 white as well? He was white as well. White officer. Ok. Did you ever see him pull his gun whatsoever? No. No? Um..so if I understand this right. So the police officer?s was facing that way? It was goin? towards West Florissant. Ok. And And they was comin? back towards this way. officer put the car in reverse, and then backed up. Backed back. How, how close was it when he stopped? How close was he to them? They was pretty close. Ok. Because they almost hit him. Where was forgot his last name. What was his last name? He had ran. He had ran and got behind a black Monte Carlo. Ok. And, that?s where he stood. On Dorian did? On this side of Canfield or on the other side? It was on this side. Ok. It was on this side I wanna say. It was on this side. 0k, and um, alright so, the the first thing you saw was um, Mr. Brown come close to the driver?s side window. And you see from your vantage point, the 13 Officer.. On him? Tuggin? on him. Tuggin? on him. Yes. Did you see uh, Mr. Brown?s hands, what they were doin? at the time? No. Ok. He, I mean, I could just see him try to defend like, get away like, what am I?m doin?? I He was It was basically.. He was on this side of the ..the drivers Yes. Like say for instance you getting grabbed, you know..you walk up to the car. Sir, what are you doing? I?m on my Wait..and not to..grabbin? on No, no that?s fine. ..And he grabbed him like this. Like you grab outta the So Brown, reached, lean back. (From 12:23 to 12:46 everyone talking over each other) 12:47 SA He already had his hand on his Uh huh. 14 was already in the holsterwas flip the holster. Yeah. So, then you shoot him the first time. So, by her being out there, probably when she heard the first one, you know..we ..Like I say.. talking over each other). I?m of did no you?re good. You did nothing wrong. Right. So, we are not, we just trying to collect facts. Yeah. I And we need people like you as a witness. ..that actually saw this. They have to give the facts. Yeah. They have Well.. I?m talkin' about like a roach in a crack. now we are so united. Nobody gonna wanna to talk to nobody. Right. Right now, we..this is, the time. ?Cause they have more authority than our city, is County Police. See they have to answer to them now. You understand what I'm sayin'? That's why I say to get this burden off of your heart, let them know. 'Cause that?s how this right here, this is how we gonna get our justice. This is justice. This is just not a black thing. This is a black and white thing. We need you out there talking to the people. If you look been preaching since my niece came back home the day that it happened. I get tired of it. It?s not just here. It?s all around. But this is where it can start. This is the heart. So, open it up. ?Cause this eatin? you more than it?s eatin' anybody else. Um, I- I didn't get your name, I?m sorry. 15 don?t mean to be rude, and don?t take this the wrong way. Oh I will not. But can we just talk to Of course. Ok. I just was tryin? to Yeah no, no. (people talking very influential. comin? here to talk to me. Ok, I appreciate that. Yeah. No, you need to be the voice out there, ?cause I?m tellin? There?s someone on megaphone out there now. Yeah, there?s people that are gonna get people stirred up. You know what, they have (UI) and all that, I?m not a..mm..you know. Ok, so she was explaining that-that he went up and parked in front, or you can When he pulled Brown went up. They pulled back, he grabbed him. The officer did? And he pulled The officer. ..he pulled back like this? And he pulled back like.. Brown did? 16 What? You know, I didn?t do anything, what-what?s going on? Slammed his hand, and like I said, once.. guess once he flung his hand, that?s when the first shot rung off and it hit him. Ok. And he turnt around, he was gonna try to make a run. Second shot. Don?t know where it hit Yeah. it hit him. That?s when he turnt around like give up?. was the distance at that point? Right there he gave up, he was right there by teddy bear is. Would it be like from that wall to that far? I don?t know. I?m by the dumpster. He ran like right there where that pole, where all those teddy bears and stuff at. Uh huh. that?s where he turned around and was going back towards the give up. Could you hear what was being said? No, I could not, but Can?t hear anybody yellin? back No. either way. No. No. Do you remember, I know it?s hard lookin? at the map, don?t know if to do this, but we could walk out there to the dumpster to-to-to just to look at what No, I don?t need walk over there. That's-that's fine. That?s fine. That?s alright, we?ll try to do this map here. So, again, this is where you said you were standing here. Uh huh. 17 And this is can you this is the apartment building right across from us. Ok. Can you and you can-you can use this.. Yeah. stopped. Alright, tell me where the cop car stopped. He stopped You can draw a box on there. Ok. Wherev..the little street..it?s like..right there by that pole, like it?s not a little inch away from that pole. Ok. That's where he pulled. Ok. And And his driver?s side. He was going this way? This way. Ok, so if you can..we'll do this..we?ll draw that.. So. Well hold on a second..correct me if I?m wrong here. But this is the road you were talkin? about right? This street? Copper Creek. Ok. So was he right there, blocking that? No. He go up Alright. wasn?t even all the way blocked. 18 Alright ..it go up.. right here? Right here? bit in front of that apartment there. And draw it like an Ok. way the car was going. Like put the (UI) Alright, so would that be accurate? Yes. Ok. Um, and then you were right here by this dumpster? By that dumpster. Ok. Um, were you able to from your vantage point see through the car, and kinda what was going No. the neck level? No. Ok. Um, ok so, did you you saw him grab him? I seen him when he grabbed him. Ok, so you were able to see through the car? I some point? he..when his arm went out the window and grabbed Yeah. he..tugged back. That?s what?s all was abl.. was to see. Ok. You didn?t really see the-the verbal exchange, No. Some-some 19 ?Cause he said it was a Tahoe or something, it was truck. A sport utility? Yeah. Is that what it was? Yeah. Ok. Did-did the sport utility police officer car have uh, was it tinted at all? Yeah, I think so. Was it tinted? 0k. Um, alright so let?s walk now, after-after Brown away. away. The first shot hit him. Ok, the first time..do you have an idea where that coulda been, I wanna say, it coulda been like fer..like up in his..upper chest part. But you?re not sure? Right, I?m not sure. Ok. Ididn?t know I, when he turnt around, I know I seen a spot on him; knew that he was hit; and then the second shot rung off. Ok. And Where the second shot hit him, I Right. tell you. When he was shot the first time, it..was the officer in the car or out of the car? He was in the car when he shot him the first time. Ok. He had never even got out the car. Did know obviously you heard it, did you see the muzzle blast? Like the red and smoke and all that? 20 No. No. That's ok, I?m asking all these questions. Yeah. Ok, so after the first shot, you know, what did Brown do? Which way did he run? He-he was-he was fittin? to try to run this way. Like I say he Ok. there by that them bears and stuff at. K, where?s the pole? The, by the bear, it?d be right here. So, he went around the SUV car, going this Right. towards you. he was running towards my way. Ok. And then he..so he got to this telephone pole, and then what happened? He stopped. K. And that?s when his arms went up and he turnt around, and he was walkin? back towards the police. Ok. And?s..l.. You still didn?t hear anything? heard him say give up?. I know I heard him say give up?. 21 And 50, um, you were still in the same place. ?Cause you said you were second was had ran like towards the bottom these little sidewalks. I ran and stopped right there. Ok. So you went from the the here. the sidewalk. Did you take a video of it or a was so shook up. ?Cause a lot of people do. So I was wondering that. after the fact. Yeah. Idon?t have the During. Right. thing. ?Cause I was so shook up. Yeah. And ifl could have, trust me, I would have. Yeah. Yeah. It?s a lot to think about. Yeah. Yes, it is. 22 Alright, bear with me here. So, he goes to the pole. He turns around. And up. up. Right. He?s walkin? back. But he?s But he?s ..wa king.. But he walkin? back Running or walking? He walked back to the car. It was just one officer out or both? Uh, wanna say it was just that one that was shootin? got out the car, and really did the shootin?. 0k, and so, the officer get out immediately then once Brown took off? think he did. Ok. Yeah. And that?s when-that?s he came back to him, that?s when he like stood up over mean as well just stood over him and Wh.. I saw eight or nine shots off into him. Now, so far I?m trackin? the one shot, and happened That?s first. the car. 23 That?s happen in the car. K. When did the second shot happen then? When he turnt around and fittin? try to run. Ok, that?s the second shot, and Then when he turned back around with his hands up, to go back towards the police, fourth, fifth, sixth shot. Ok. Did Brown?s at pole, walking back towards the officer?s car. (UI) Was the cop behind his car at the time, you think? How close was he? Can you describe his actions? wanna say he was near behind or on the side car. Ok. Like I say it..right now, it's Well, and a greatjob. the more you talk to people about it, unfortunately the-the more it Yeah. to change or confuse you a little bit too. So mean it gets harder all the time. Yeah, it-it get hard, but, I mean, he was like, he was right there in visible sight was right that far from his car. Ok. Uh, any idea where Dorian was at this time? He was still on the side of the cardid run off. 24 Now, he the Monte Carlo at? I wanna say it was Look on here though. ..this.. So it was in this parking lot by the dumpster? No. No? It was on this side, on the on like on Canfield. Was it on the street? Yeah. Ok. So.. It was on hid behind a car parked on the Ok. He?s on the street. Ok. Do you did you see him hidin? behind the Monte? He hid..and then after that, I didn?t see him no more. Was the That's right after he took off? Yeah. Was the Monte on this side of Canfield or this side? It was on this side. 25 this side. Can you kinda point to where you think he it it side by side with the cop car or was it up? It was up. Ok. Would it be safe to say this area? Yeah. Alright. (talking to children) She?s outside. She?ll be back in, go back in the room ok? Alright. (talking to children). gonna have her to come back in, ok? Ok, Mr. the cop and Brown started to decrease the difference between themselves and the officer just..as he was walking, what did he do? Did he just shoot his gun? Yeah.Yeah. Ok. Mr. Brown ever on his knees, or was he standing up? he finally he finally fell down on his knees, the last shot. That was the last shot. Uh huh. And he fell. Ok. was it. What So the last shot, then he fell, And then the say the police, he got down, and he checked his pulsewalked away. Did the last shot fired was when Mr. Brown was still standing? Yeah, but he was fallin? like all on his knees. Uh huh. 26 Yeah. Yeah. So, the police like I say, he got down and he checked his pulse. Got up, and he-he walked away. And you were um, did you-did you never run inside, were you outside the whole time? was outside the whole time. 0k. 0k. the act, I ran and I stood right here on the sidewalk. What you describe the actions after Brown went down and the cop checked the pulse. Did the other cop get out the doorgood look at him, at all. Yeah. Ok. Where did you go right after that? I stood, I, came and stood right here. was too shook up. You stayed at the building downstairs? Yeah, I stood right there on the sidewalk. was just too shook up about it, so, I never went up. Ok. can do you live? What?s your address? And before I forget, can I get a cell phone number for you just in case we have a follow up.. I?m sure we will. How do you pronounce your first name? 27 Ok. beheve. Uh, Oh ok. I was was gettin? that wrong. 0k. 0k. Uh, anything else that we need to know about? No, Anyone else you think might be willing to talk to us about what they That you know is out there? No. I really don?t. Ok. I?m basically like like I say, was just ran through. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Ancl yeah this kinda been botherin? me for awhile, Yeah. Uh huh. Like I say, ljust didn?t..feel comfortable talkin', don't know just crazy. Yeah. But if people don?t will never have the truth. has this 28 huh. Well, feel a little better. Yeah. A little better. Just..just want justice. Yeah. don?t know if I asked you this, but what were you comin? over here for? I Yeah. I was comin? through. And stay right on Yeah. So I sometimes come through this way. And like I say.. know a couple of people?s in..and the little neighbor, she was downstairs at a BBQ, and.. Uh huh. asked for a cigarette or whatever, Ok. And we were just out there talking. Yeah. It wasn?t nothin? So what drew your attention? Like, I mean, ?cause if you were, if you were talkin?, I mean like, did you tires you hear yelling? I mean, what-what made you look over there? Was No, people over gunshot is what made me really look, for just to see that the police was with Uh huh. no reason? Ok. So you just kinda were lookin? that kinda like casually 29 wasjust lookin? ike..just casually, just ookin?.. mean, I wasn?t like I was just out here, just waitin? on somethin? to happen. Yeah. That?s not..that?s somethin? I don?t do. Right. Uh huh. was just..happened just so quick, and so fast. Uh huh. said that they lady you were havin? a cigarette you know her name? No, I don?t. She stay down on the bottom left. The very very bottom? Very very bottom. Ok, on this one or on this one? This one, I think. The far one, ok. Yeah if you were walkin? up to the Yeah, you?ll go down and then you?ll go to 0k. 0k. real quick. I just wanna make sure we have everything. So that morning, can you with me you run through that morning? Even like when you woke up? Can you tell me kinda what you did, and breakfast, kids, job? Actually I was comin? from the store. what time? You think? Um, it was like about, it was like twelve. 0k. t-it been about-about twelve-ish, or 30 store? was comin? from the store, like in that little plaza off a Chambers. The what? Off a Chambers. Yeah. And I was comin? through that way. But what kind of store was it? It was, it was a little mall. It?s like a little convenience store in that little plaza off a Chambers and Halls Ferry. Chambers and Halls Ferry. Ok. There?s a bunch of 'em up there. I.. Right. Ok. I was comin? from one of them stores, it was like a little convenience store. I wasn?t nothin? major or nothin? like that. Yeah. Did you just stop and get groceries there, Some..a soda..you Yeah. It?s out, it was a beautiful day. Yeah. Just out, and just on my way home. Yeah. And come through this way. And I mean sometimes this is the way I come. Right. 50.. Yeah. Well, what do you think, Any other questions? 31 Um, just in case if we have more questions, we?ll probably call ya, if that?s ok with you. That?s fine. Yeah. That?s fine. Ok. And then, let me give you this. This is kind of what we?re givin? everyone. Ok. they have any questions. Ok. 50.. But we..we?re not the..the case agents on this civil rights case. I understand. we?re here..as a huge group of us out here. So, it might be someone else that reaches out to you, um, if they have some follow up questions, and we?re gonna, like you see, we?ve got it recorded so we don?t misunderstand anything, and you Yeah, and if you don?t mind, could you just initial right here and put the date. Today is Can I get a card? I?m sorry? Can I get a card? I got an uncle that?s probably got a lot of he.. This not gonna wanna talk to nobody. Yeah. He?s not gonna talk at Can we not meet him somewhere else, out and about? Somewhere private, 32 can call him and see. Ok. he got like everything on his um, ipad or whatever, and he actually like sold the story to ABC or Oh. they told him that he can?t like..release that video to anybody else, type stuff, Ok. But if it?s evidence of what really He mean he ..to give it to us.. lot.. a minimum, so we can make sure we get everything the way it really was. Yeah. You know, I mean give him a call and Ok. what..but ljust know him, been on it like even when I?m outside walkin? around, he like just stop talkin?, don?t talk Yeah. ..don?t do none of that..like he just been.. Yeah. ..closed in, 50.. Well if you could talk to him definitely, because if he has a video of what happened, then..then that might help ease all the crazy that?s goin? on here. Okay. 33 Because people see what happened, whether it?s this way or this way, the video?s gonna show That will get people to kinda get he didn?t tell you ..into the reality of what.. he give the video out or what?s important. like, he words or anything gonna be twisted around or somethin? like Well, not if he has a video. like it?s gonna the video. "yeah. The video gonna That?s all The video will stand on its own. Yeah, the video stands on its own. And he doesn?t even have mean..they..doesn?t even..doesn?t even have to be attributed to him. The fact that there?s a video, it is what it is. Yeah. Oh. Um, that would important if we could get that. Oh it would be ridiculously important. I So. Yeah. a lot of questions, you a lot of questions for us. Ok. 34 each other). I?m sorry, and do you live here? Um, no. My girlfriend lives here. Ok. What?s your name if you don?t mind me asking. You all through with me? What is it? Huh? Yes. Yes. Come on! We?re finished. We?re done. Oh not you. Oh 0k. 0k. That way I know who it is. And is there a number I can call you back to see if you got a hold of him? Uh huh. Yeah, that would be, that would be enormous if we could get a copy of that from them. Or get actually have people close by that if he brought us ipad, we could copy it immediately and give him his ipad right back, if he doesn?t want to relinquish it. We?ve got people down the street that can do that for us. said he signed some type of contract with them where he Oh with It doesn?t matter. 35 else. Yeah. SA Yeah, but this is all law enforcement evidence and I mean, his contract can still be valid with them, SA ?Cause we? re not gonna release the video. SA Yeah. SA I mean ours is investigational, we don?t answer to the media, we don?t- we don?t release them things because that just distorts everything. Because the media?s gonna put on what they want, and parts that they want. And that?s why things get the way they are, because the media doesn?t give the whole truth. Ok. SA They only give parts of it. (someone talking in background as well) SA And it?s unfortunate because then there?s, you know, the city?s being destroyed because people don?t know the truth, you know. So yeah, if you could. I like your name. Thanks SA Um, that would be great, if you could, if you could check. And we?ll follow up with you later today, is that ok? (people talking over each other) SA Ok, you know what. Why don?t I give you that-that card you got, I?m just gonna give them my call sign and have 'em call the main SA Yeah. SA and then reach out to me. K, this is gonna just, he can call, what?s our main number? SA SA If he calls this number, and ask them to patch him through to they?ll patch it through to me. Uh huh. SA And I will, uh, I?ll talk to him, I?ll meet him wherever he wants to meet. And we can get it downloaded. (radio traffic) SA That-that would be really really a big deal. 36 SA SA SA Okay. Alright, thank you. Thank you very much for (Ul) Uh, this is, uh Special Agent Complete with interviews at 37 Special Agent 11:23 am.