BEFORE THE CALIFORNIA CITIZENS REDISTRICTING COMMISSION In the matter of Full Commission Business Meeting University of the Pacific McGeorge School of Law Classroom C 3200 Fifth Avenue Sacramento, CA Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:00 A.M. Reported by: Michael Connolly CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 APPEARANCES Members Present Chair Angelo Ancheta Gabino Aguirre Vincent Barabba Maria Blanco Cynthia Dai Michelle DiGuilio Jodie Filkins-Webber Stanley Forbes Michelle Galambos-Malloy Lilbert "Gil" Ontai Jeanne Raya Peter Yao Staff Present Dan Claypool, Executive Director Kirk Miller, Legal Counsel Janeece Sargis, Administrative Assistant Representing Q2 Karin MacDonald Jamie Clark Tamina Alon Kyle Kubas CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 2 I N D E X PAGE 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Introduction Public Comment Discussion of New Web-based Interactive Tool Commission discussion of Process for Today's Meeting and for Discussion of Maps Direction to Q2 for Line Drawing (Northern (California Congressional Districts) 4 8 45 51 57 144 145 149 Lunch Break 6. 7. 8. Public Comment Discussion of Motions and Voting Procedures Continuation of direction to Q2 for Line Drawing (Northern California Congressional Districts) Direction to Q2 for Line Drawing (Northern (California State Assembly Districts) Direction to Q2 for Line Drawing (Northern (California State Senate Districts) 153 247 348 356 362 363 9. 10. Public Comment Adjournment Certificate of Reporter 1 CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JULY 13, 2011 P R O C E E D I N G S 9:06 A.M. Good morning. Today is Wednesday, CHAIR ANCHETA: July 13th and this is a meeting of the Citizens Redistricting Commission. My name is Angelo Ancheta and I To my left is am chairing the set of meetings this week. Commissioner Gil Ontai, who will be vice-chairing and then chairing next week's set of meetings. Why don't we start by taking roll? if you could call roll, please. MS. SARGIS: Commissioner Aguirre? So, Ms. Sargis, (No response.) MS. SARGIS: Ancheta? Here. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. SARGIS: Barabba? Here. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. SARGIS: Blanco? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MS. SARGIS: Dai? Here. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. SARGIS: Here. DiGuilio? Here. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. SARGIS: Filkins-Webber? Here. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: MS. SARGIS: Forbes? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. SARGIS: Here. Galambos-Malloy? Here. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. SARGIS: Ontai? Here. COMMISSIONER ONTAI: MS. SARGIS: Parvenu. (No response.) MS. SARGIS: Raya? Here. COMMISSIONER RAYA: MS. SARGIS: Ward? (No response.) MS. SARGIS: Yao? Here. COMMISSIONER YAO: MS. SARGIS: We have a quorum. Okay, we do have a large number of CHAIR ANCHETA: individuals who would like to provide public comment. We're going to try to accommodate as best we can, as many this morning as we can. afternoon. We do have a slot also for this Before we sort of launch into things, let me just give a preview of what we are going to be covering today and over the next couple of days. As the commissioners know and as I hope members of the public have come to know, we are not releasing a second draft map, as was earlier scheduled, this week. However, we are proceeding to continue with our mapping and working with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 our technical consultants Q2 and will provide we hope sufficient public input into the process. We will be later this morning providing just sort of a quick primer on how to work with the new interactive tool that is being provided through the Statewide Database, which is the official data source for our redistricting data. And it is, we hope, a useful tool, it will allow individuals to actually get down to the street level in terms of viewing the maps. We do hope to have a more traditional format of PDF files at some point later but they will not be available this morning, certainly, or this afternoon. And we hope that the interactive tools along with other files that can be downloaded can be used by all our folks viewing on the Internet and can be useful to the public in terms of public comment. What we are focusing on this morning and this afternoon will be directions to Q2. For those of you who have been following, Q2 has been working with us on all of the districts and at our last set of sessions we did provide direction regarding all of the districts. They will be coming back with the latest visualizations and we will be directing them again today and through Friday. We are still at this point not canceling the Saturday meeting. I'm going to hold that in reserve. We hope to finish before then but just in case we still have that day as well CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as pretty much every other day except for next Tuesday to go forward. As a general matter, again, we will be covering Northern California as well as the Board of Equalization, we hope, by the end of the day. We will start with the Congressional Districts, work our way through the State Assembly and Senate Districts, and then hit the Board of Equalization later in the day. If we finish earlier, we will perhaps have a little bit of a preview of some of the Southern California districts and look at those in the late afternoon. Let me mention one more thing. Just in terms of process, we have in the past been directing Q2 as much as possible to focus on either a single option or perhaps no more than one or two or, in some cases, three options. During these sessions this week we must narrow down and firm up all of those different districts. options off the table this week. So we will take If it is necessary to call a vote on any particular district because there is not a consensus we will call a vote and I will entertain motions if that happens. will be great. If we proceed on consensus that But, again, if there are some differences of opinion because we do have to at this point narrow it down we will take motions. The other thing that is a little bit different is that we are now trying to formally document the decisional CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 bases for our districts. So both Q2 - and what I would ask for this session and tomorrow and Friday, is for the designated teams, the two-member teams who have been in charge of regions, to help us along in terms of summarizing the basic rationales for the districts and as a back-up if one or both of those team members can sort of take notes. As you know, we are compiling all of these summaries for the final report. of that process. Commissioners Dai and Barabba are on top So we will have sort of a double system with Q2 and commissioners providing information. Okay, we have a lot of speakers. it a bit. I'm going to cut We will still give you some time but I'm going We will to cut it to about a minute and a half to speak. carry over as best we can. We had it only budgeted until nine-thirty but we will carry over because there is a large number. We will have another opportunity if for some But we will reason we have additional speakers lining up. try to get everybody in this morning. And if we are unable to cover everybody we'll still have a session this afternoon. So why don't we begin? We have a sign-up list so I will simply call out your last name, if you weren't sure where you were in the line. MS. RUSHING: Thank you. So, Ms. Rushing? My name is Denise Rushing and I am here as an individual and as a local elected official representing the entire Lake County Board of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Supervisors, who unanimously voted to send me here today. I'm here this morning to discuss the Sonoma-NapaSolano visualization that you discussed last week. The visualization was titled 2001(sic).07.07 Congressional Visualization 4 NEBAY, or Visualization 3 NEBAY. The Commission gave instructions to your staff to include Santa Rosa in this visualization and delete corresponding population from Contra Costa County, namely Richmond and Martinez. This is a great start but on behalf of the Lake County Board of Supervisors I would ask that you include Lake County in the district NEBAY. When I spoke to you at the hearing on the 20th of May in Santa Rosa I said that Lake County is one of the Wine Country Counties with Napa, Sonoma and Mendocino. Your NEBAY map would orphan us and Leaving us out of separate us from all of those counties. NEBAY is in fact the most alarming and worst outcome of this process that we could imagine. We believe you could easily add us back into NEBAY district by subtracting our population of 64,665 from Solano County. Perhaps with this arrangement it would allow you to leave Fairfield whole in the YUBA district. We are a small county. If you have not been to our county, and I assume you haven't, it is easy to make false assumptions about us. We are very much a part of the premium wine industry and in fact our county has worked CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 long and hard to realign our workforce area to be with Napa. Bottom line, we should not be linked with the counties in the Sacramento Valley with whom we share no communities of interest. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Thank you. Forgive me if I mispronounce people's names. MR. GUNIER: Next is Mr. Gunier. My name is Rick Gunier Good morning. and I'm here representing the grape growers of Lake County. We would like you to please reconsider where Lake County is aligned with. We would like to ask that you take We really are us out of the YUBA map that you have us in. an extension of the Napa region. Our highways start in Napa, we have a region called the North Coast that is made up of Napa and Lake Counties, we have very little to do in selling into the YUBA region that you have us assigned to. They primarily sell into the Sacramento Valley and those type of locations. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you, sir. Wagenknecht. Connect the wagon, Wagenknecht. Oh, okay. I'm Brad Wagenknecht and I'm a And you've heard I'm really going I appreciate your reconsidering this. to mispronounce this name. MR. WAGENKNECHT: CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. WAGENKNECHT: supervisor and a citizen of Napa County. from a couple of my colleagues. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And one of the things that we've been pushing and trying to really make clear is that we would like to have a district that had agriculture at its base, premium wine agriculture in particular. I appreciate that you've changed and added part of our little American Canyon back into our district. That is wonderful, that has been good for Napa and its neighbor and our little American Canyon city. What I would like to ask today is that we look at Lake County and try to back up what my peers from Lake County have asked and have the third premium wine area in our district. The 64,000 could be subtracted from Solano With this latest or Contra Costa County and put in there. visualization the Commission has rejected the alignment of Napa with northern Sacramento Valley counties, with whom we share no communities of interest. Removing the Contra Costa part would also remove a part that we have very little community of interest with. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. NAPPER: And so thank you. Odiri Napper? Thank you, sir. Good morning. My name is Odiri Napper and I'm from the Greater Sacramento Urban League. I'm here just to encourage you to reconsider your proposed new district map due to the extreme effects that it has on African-Americans in the Los Angeles area. Using methods and techniques to divide cohesive communities will only produce legislatures that neither represent its CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 constituents nor reflect the diversity and voice of those citizens in those areas. An alternative would be linking east Ventura County to the City of Santa Clarita in one district while keeping the Santa Monica Mountains with a West LA district, Beverly Hills, West Hollywood in another district. This would be a configuration that offers a more balanced population in the West LA area. So, again we encourage you to just reconsider your propose maps and consider the extreme effects that it has on African-Americans and their representation in the Los Angeles area. Thank you. A quick question. Is that COMMISSIONER FORBES: for Senate, Congressional, Assembly, or what? MS. NAPPER: It's for the Congressional. Thank you. Mr. Miller? Thank COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. MILLER: Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. you for allowing me to speak. My name is Glenn Miller, I'm the Mayor Pro-tem of the City of Indio. I bring greetings from the Coachella Valley, I traveled all the way down here, this is how important it is to the Coachella Valley. We are very concerned that the Commission now is looking at dividing up the Coachella Valley into two in the Assembly District. The first map that was brought towards us showed the Coachella Valley as CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 whole, as one, how it used to be 20 years ago. We've waited 10 years to allow the Coachella Valley to speak as one voice. All out cities that we have are intertwined. I have letters here I would like to enter in the record, I have one for each one, from all the affected mayors, all the council members from all the area, prominent businessmen and also community leaders that want the Coachella Valley to stay as one, whole as one voice. It was a very competitive district that you wrote up on our Assembly race. You've left the Senate and Congressional races pretty much in those areas where it encompasses the whole Coachella Valley. But for some reason you decided on the second visualization to take out parts of the Coachella Valley that are intertwined with the rest of the Coachella Valley. There is about 400,000 people in the Coachella Valley. We continue to utilize services through economic We are no longer an agricultural town or an We have two new college campuses development. agricultural community. there that intertwine all the cities that paid into them. We've got the economic partnerships that every city has paid into. We have CVAG, which is the Coachella Valley We implore you to make sure We've Association of Governments. that the rest of the Coachella Valley has one voice. waited 10 years for this. We would like to speak as one, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we want to hold our representatives responsible. you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. SWENSEN: Coachella Valley. Thank you. Ms. Swenson? Thank I'm Ellen Swenson. I'm also from the I know that you're getting conflicting public testimony about what to do with our area. One option is to And I'm combine Imperial County with the Coachella Valley. here to say that, unfortunately, that testimony is largely politically driven. And I'm handing out proof of that, evidence that there are political activists in our area from one party - I won't mention the party - who are trying to get people to write in and for political reasons combine our area with Imperial County. And also in there you will see one of the activists has provided boilerplate letters that you just fill your name in. And if you go back and look at the testimony it's largely kind of weak, not really strong COI evidence for doing this and also a lot of repeated boilerplate-type letters. In contrast, we who want to keep the Coachella Valley tourism COI intact and within Riverside County, we are coming from an economic standpoint. And to prove that our site is not being political, the maps we like which are from June 10th are actually balanced on political parties. So we are not advocating for some maps that favor one party CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 over another, we're strictly going on our shared livelihoods, our shared economy of tourism. And finally, I think there is some notion that eastern San Diego does not want to be districted with Imperial County. But as of this morning I looked and all the letters that came in, there were only eight people who have written in from San Diego County rejecting Imperial, rejecting the border districts that you drew. So I'm not sure why you are trying to decouple East San Diego from Imperial and put them with us. But my concern is that So that's why I Thank there is political motivation behind it. want to bring that to your attention, respectfully. you so much. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Congresswoman Watson? May I ask a quick COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: question of the last speaker, actually? CHAIR ANCHETA: Certainly. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: In your letter you're basing the analysis of the suggested district on the economy. One of the arguments for keeping Coachella and Imperial together is really based on an agricultural economy and I don't see any mention of agriculture in this submission. Can you speak to that point? MS. SWENSEN: Yes. I think there is a misconception that the Coachella Valley has agriculture. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Indio, which people think of as date palms, hosts international polo now all winter long. different. It is completely There is a little bit of agriculture, largely ornamental palm trees and things that actually, again, support the resort community there in Indio. But we are not agricultural, we are tourism, resorts, we have 150 golf courses, we have concerts, casinos, hotels, conventions. That's our economy. don't belong. We are not agricultural and we really Nothing against Imperial County, but our voice will be diluted with agricultural concerns and border concerns if we are districted with them. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. WATSON: congresswoman retired. The redistricting plans currently under consideration would effectively and completely cut out long time African-American strongholds of political power, unfairly dividing the African-American population in the 33rd, the 35th and the 37th Congressional Districts. net result is only one African-American seat. The Thank you. Good morning. I'm Diane Watson a Thank you. We have come here to be heard and we want to see that our communities, seen as communities of mutual interest, are protected. Don't destroy our political presentation. and 4 should remain. The formula 2, 3 In LA County two State Senate seats, three Congressional Districts and four Assembly Districts CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are justified by the US Census count. At least let us be heard and give us consideration. The Voting Rights Act was passed to protect us. I come out of retirement to say to you that the four African-Americans that now represent our districts would be cut by 50 percent. CHAIR ANCHETA: next. MR. SANTOS: Good morning, commissioners. My name Thank you. Thank you. I have Mr. Santos is Sergio U. Santos, former president of the UAW that represented 5000 workers who were laid off when the plant shut down. I'm here today because it seems that this Commission has thrown out our testimony and has gone back to the first draft map. We should take the Tri-Cities Personally, I community of interest into consideration. have come to these meetings many times and relayed the message to this Commission that the Tri-Cities and their local economy needs to be represented by unified federal representation tied to Hayward. The Tri-Cities and Hayward have had to deal with this terrible economic condition in recent years. For example, the closure of the Nummi Plant in Fremont resulted in over 5000 people losing their jobs. We are recovering and doing so with new operations like the Tesla and Solyndra factories. But to get to that point would have been impossible without unified representation CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at federal level and all of our cities and communities working together. Commissioner Malloy, as a resident of Alameda County I know you in particular understand how difficult it has been for working families. We are hoping humbly that you will give us a voice in these congressional maps. Please take our testimony into consideration and either revert back to one of the earlier visualizations or work with the current draft to unite the Tri-Cities with Hayward. At least a hundred people from our area alone have contacted you to ask you to keep the Tri-Cities whole and united with Hayward. to do as much. consideration. There is overwhelming testimony Please take our testimony into Thank you again. Okay, thank you. Hello, Commissioners. Mr. Therman? My name is CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. THERMAN: Richard Therman. I am a single parent and I'm here today because it was said that it would be revisiting Northern California. There seems to have been a lack of testimony from San Leandro, where I was born and raised, and I am here today to remind you of what is important to us and take it in consideration. All that we want in San Leandro is to be We have able to stay whole as a city in our districts. never been separated on account of our smaller population. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It would be horrible for us to be split. You split us in Rather than both the Assembly and Congressional drafts. focusing on keeping us whole, this Commission has talked about where we go. stay whole. What is important to San Leandro is to That, as our mayor has asked and countless others in San Leandro have asked, if anything we have more in common with Oakland than with Hayward or other TriCities. The only draft I've seen that keeps San Leandro whole regards to the Congressional is the Tri-Cities proposal. And I believe one of the two visualizations for Please take into consideration our Thank you. Mr. Franks? And our second draft. testimony to keep San Leandro whole. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you, sir. folks if they are in line can come closer and maybe sit behind the speaker to speed things along. MR. FRANKS: Thank you for having me today. My name is Anthony Franks, I'm a 23-year resident of Livermore, California. I had given my testimony to the Commission before so that they may know what people in the area are thinking and incorporate it into the line drawing process. However, I came to learn that recently this Commission reverted back to the first map draft that did not take my testimony into consideration. This is not right. I am here today to ask the Commission to either revert back to the new CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 visualization that took our testimonials into consideration. I had told this Commission before that the people of Pleasanton, Livermore, and the surrounding valley areas do not want to be connected to the more coastal areas of Alameda County; rather we would like to be in a valley district. This new visualization did that. One way to draw such a map for the Congressional is to connect the Alameda County Valley to the Silicon Valley, which would also support our local economic, research and development markets for the Livermore Labs and research and development projects within Pleasanton to be drawn in with a part of the research and development orientated Silicon Valley. would be great for our local economy. this is to unite us with Contra Costa. Another way to do What is It unacceptable is the draft map that this Commission has reverted to. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Ramanruthi? Thank you. I also CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. RAMANRUTHI: Good morning. want to thank Commissioner Forbes for really listening to the citizens' input and we appreciate it and we salute you for that. And I also want to thank Commissioner Malloy for trying to understand to keep Fremont in Alameda and we want to appeal to you the importance of keeping the Tri-City areas together and with Hayward. And we were really pleased with the second visualization that put Hayward, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Fremont and the Tri-City areas together but we were really surprised to see that the Commission wanted to go back to the first draft, which is really not what the citizens want because we have nothing in common. We have repeatedly told - this is my third personal appearance in front of the Commission to plead our case for Congressional District, not to put us with the Tri-Valley area that is Dublin, Pleasanton and Livermore. them. We have nothing in common with We are neither geographically contiguous or Our challenges and needs are economically the same thing. different from theirs. So I really beg you and urge you to listen to the citizens' input and instruct Q2 to come up with - stick with the visualization that put is with TriCities together and Hayward. Thank you so much. CHAIR ANCHETA: next name. Jara - Good morning, commissioners. I want Thank you. And I can't read this We really appreciate it. MS. DANFODIO: to repeat what Shobana said and pay specific thanks to Commissioners Malloy and Forbes for hearing us out. I'm from Newark and I've been a resident of that city for the last 15 years and I've worked and attended school there. And I know the area of Fremont, Hayward and Union City very well. And, like Shobana said, our interests are very We are not similar at all to Livermore. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 21 similar. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I want to tell you a little story about applying for a job in Livermore and I had to travel about 30 minutes through hills and farm country to get to Livermore. It was just a completely different setting from what I was use to. And we've already heard from a representative from that area who doesn't want to link up with us. good reason for that. And there's a So I We're just very dissimilar. would urge you to consider the visualization that incorporates the Tri-Cities together, keeping them together. more rural. the maps. We're more citified and they are a little bit So please consider that when you're drawing up Thanks. Thank you. Mr. Hutchins? My name is CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. HUTCHINS: Thank you very much. Henry Hutchins and I am a resident for 16 years of Fremont and for Alameda County for 20 years. I come to you with my concern as an AfricanAmerican activist about what you are doing. I'm very interested in seeing that the Tri-City areas are pulled together in an effective district that has served us well. One of the things that is important about this area is that there has been a tremendous growth in the number of African-American and Hispanics in south Alameda County. And this adds to a rich diversity that the area has historically had. If you cut the area in half it destroys CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a growth pattern that is effective and is doing great things for our community. I think that the representation For instance, in August my - we've had a lot of firsts. daughter, who was an honor student at Archbishop Mitty in San Jose, will be an intern in a congressional office. This is a first. So you've got a situation where our kids are beginning to interact with the other kids of the community and it becomes really important. The representation we We have had consistently has been powerful and strong. think that as a community this area is growing effectively and if you go back to the first map you are destroying this growth pattern. We ask you not to do it. We think that you're doing a great job but you will do an even better job if you take these interests into your consideration. you very much. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Mr. Aziz? And again, Thank folks, just to speed things along, if they can try to get close to the mic as they are coming forward. (Audience member asks the Chair to name the next few speakers so they can get in line.) Okay, sure. So I've got Aziz, then Murphy-Hasan, Williams and then Debbs. MR. AZIZ: Hello again, Commission. You know, you've heard a lot from both myself and the people from my CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 area but on top of that you've heard from people all around Alameda County. And we've sent the message that we want to We want to have a say And, you And draw the lines for our own district. in what we - you know, in our representation. know, the Tri-Cities proposal was the product of that. with the alarming decision of this Commission to turn to the first draft we are really making two asks from you guys. One, either please revisit the second visualizations where you take our very - I mean, just lots and lots of testimony into consideration; or you look at our proposal that works directly with the first draft map. We do everything in the area that this Commission tried to do, like put Richmond in with Contra Costa County, keep San Leandro whole, make sure the valley is separate from the coastal sides of Fremont. still room to work. But on top of that there is Please work with this proposal if you decide not to go back to the first draft. For example, to take in the Milpitas and Berryessa COI you can actually take out San Ramon and Dublin from what we have proposed and add that, give or take six to twelve thousand people, to Milpitas and the Berryessa area to give them the connection they wanted with Fremont. At this point beggars can't be choosers and we're just asking for our area to be together. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you very much. And, again, Murphy- Thank you. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Hasan, Williams, Debbs and then Murray after that. MS. MURPHY-HASAN: Good morning. My name is Aliane Murphy-Hasan and please bear with me but I have laryngitis. I was called out last night to come to the City of Sacramento to support the African-American concern and called last night to come to this Commission to speak to the African-American concern. I am the founding member of MLK 365 here in Sacramento and a member of the African-American Leader Coalition, also here in Sacramento. Although I reside in AfricanWe implore the Sacramento, I'm a resident of California. Americans must be heard in this process. Commission to hear what we have to say and to pay close attention to our concerns and the history and the regions affected by the latest proposed map. We want Black political representation and opportunity maintained in LA and throughout the state. The way in which the Voting Rights Act is being used will cause great harm to the diverse communities in the LA area. Black Californians work in coalition across ethnic and cultural boundaries to achieve various goals. In the Inland Empire that means keeping eastern Los Angeles County connected with communities in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties. There is nothing wrong with crossing county boundaries that respect the political views and the residents of Colton, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rialto and San Bernardino. MS. SARGIS: That's time. I want to close with I hope that MS. MURPHY-HASAN: you hear what we have to say today - CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Thank you. I would like to ask MS. MURPHY-HASAN: COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: if folks do have written comments that are not given this short time constraint for the public comments that we do read those in detail. So if you have something written, please do leave it with our staff. MS. WILLIAMS: Thank you. Good morning. My name is Betty Williams, I'm the president of the Sacramento branch of the NAACP. This is my first time addressing the Commission and I wish it were unnecessary. I wish this Commission had avoided showing blatant disregard as of late for the concerns of Black California, whether they are in Sacramento of Los Angeles. When do we get to see the When do we see Commission that gave us fair first draft? the group of common people who are making our process better for working women and men across the state? I stopped in this morning to say that we need to all calm ourselves and work in unity toward a product that is worthy of a broad support. Please keep Sacramento linked in the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 South Sacramento area with Elk Grove and don't forget the concerns of our friends down south. Please don't disenfranchise our African-American community with poor reasoning and unsound cause. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. So we've got Debbs, Thank you. Murray, Eisenhammer and then Stratton. MR. DEBBS: name is Joe Debbs. of my life. I want to refer to the July 12th article written by Dan Waters implying that the Citizens Redistricting Committee is collapsing and caving to the outside interests. I want you to remember the first time that you Good morning to the Commission. My I've been a voter in the state for most thought about getting on this Committee before you were selected and what your motives were and your intent. back to that first time. Go So I'm not trying to believe what Dan Walters is writing in a newspaper about this Commission. Some people want this done right, some people don't care if it's done wrong, and others just want what they want. I'm asking you to think about why and what you I live in Elk Grove, California, I used to be the chair of really want to do. connected to South Sacramento. the County Planning Commission for six years, three years as the chair. I've seen the demographics finally settle To disrupt that would be a travesty. and they are fair. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 You can do it now or the courts are going to do it later. Hopefully, you will do what the public entrusted you to do because the electives could not do it. This policy has to fit the rationale and hopefully your plan is a cogent, credible plan and is also accompanied by transparency. Please think about what you're doing with this process. Don't emulate what we used to do in the past. You're on the right track of doing this thing right, do not get off the side. MS. SARGIS: MR. DEBBS: wife does. (Laughter.) Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Is there a question? Yes. Sir, if you Time. You tell me to shut up as quick as my COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: don't mind, one quick question. You mention in your testimony about linking South Sacramento and Elk Grove areas. Would you prioritize that at the Assembly level, at Could you the Senate level, at the Congressional level? give us a bit more detail? CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. DEBBS: And please use the microphone, too. It's the Assembly and Excuse me. after the Assembly I would probably suspect it's been doing at the Congressional level as well. Because the voting in CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this last election showed that the demographics is beginning to settle. So please do not use the Voting Rights Act against itself. COMMISSIONER FORBES: MR. DEBBS: Yes? When you say South I have a question also. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Sacramento, what boundaries do you put on that? MR. DEBBS: Okay, I live in Elk Grove. Right. COMMISSIONER FORBES: MR. DEBBS: And I live between Laguna and Sheldon. As you know, Sheldon runs down the middle of Elk Grove. And then Sacramento City kicks up. If you go down Sheldon east that is still a part of the city, if you go west there is a part and then there is a large contingent that is right on the border of Franklin Boulevard, which runs north and south. So in that area they are trying to split that And it took us a long time, area off from the south area. even on the local level, to get representation on the local level, the city council. COMMISSIONER FORBES: to be the northern boundary? MR. DEBBS: Mack Road, okay? The northern boundary would probably be And what would you consider Because there is a large concentration of African-Americans and if they dissect that we will be done for. Because it took years for that demographic to settle. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: MR. DEBBS: Thank you. So we want to see it stay intact. Great, thank you. And, CHAIR ANCHETA: commissioners, let's try to limit the questions as well because we still have a high volume of speakers. you. MR. MURRAY: Hi. My name is Raymone Murray. I am Thank a member of the NAACP, I'm actually the vice-president at a Sacramento branch, youth chapter. I have joined you this morning to share my concerns about the current redistricting process and its impact on the African-American community. The Citizens Redistricting I'm concerned Commission should listen to all citizens. that our voices will not be heard and listened to in this conversation. I understand that the Commission is called We ask the Commission to to create fair district lines. make certain that it does not disenfranchise the AfricanAmerican communities while drawing those lines. product will impact my life significantly. Your work Please don't harm my future or disenfranchise my neighbors, loved ones and friends. Thanks for listening. Thank you. So we have Eisenhammer, CHAIR ANCHETA: Stratton, Harris, Lee and then Stone. MR. EISENHAMMER: Hi. My name is Eric Eisenhammer and I am originally from Agoura. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I am here to comment on the East Ventura seat. was disturbed to see the other day that you guys were I considering linking us together with the south San Fernando Valley and Bel Air. I believe it would make a lot more sense to link us with Santa Clarita Valley, Agua Dulce on up to Palmdale. My family is originally from the southern Everybody on my street moved to our Our area is a lot more San Fernando Valley. area to get away from that area. suburban, sometimes even semirural than Bel Air and southern San Fernando Valley. So I would encourage you guys to not link us with them but to link us with Santa Clarita Valley and on up to Agua Dulce and Palmdale. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. STRATTON: All right, thank you. Good morning. My name is Thomas Stratton and I'm here representing Black Africans in State Service. As a California voter I thank you for your work on this Commission and I'm here to ensure African-American voters are treated fairly by our Citizens Redistricting process. I endorse the efforts of the African-American Redistricting Collaborative and NAACP and I encourage this Commission to do the same. unity maps. We accept your first draft and Historically, African-Americans have fought not simply for political representation but the right to be recognized as citizens. So it is a sense of political CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 equality that bonds us together. We encourage this Commission to recall the lessons of Black history while making decision that will impact the future of African-Americans. We strongly encourage you to maintain current levels of African-American political representation throughout California. It is essential to our well-being as a state that you consider how important it is for you as our representatives to defend current Black political representation. We are certain that maintaining Black political interests in our state is good for all Californians. CHAIR ANCHETA: and Huffman. MS. HARRIS: Good morning. I'm Cindy Harris and I Thank you. Thank you. So Harris, Lee, Stone was speaker number 20 at our Stockton meeting. I'm back here to basically thank you for this new map. It wasn't our first choice but we're excited that this current map - and I'm talking Assembly, the current Assembly map - is very good for us. It keeps us diversified as a district, keeping with South Sacramento and Elk Grove, we're tickled with that. We are all growing communities, we're on the Highway 99 corridor, that's what we wanted. In looking at the map there is not much else We are happy with it as it is and So that we would suggest. we would like you to pack up and go home on that one. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it really is. We have been on the tail end of Huber's We don't mind that So this would be district for a long time there, too. spot and we know how to work with it. pretty much the same. That's pretty much it. I mean, we're very please Like I said, you We appreciate it. and we hope that this map will remain. can pack up and go home with this one. Thank you very much. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. LEE: Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. My name is Larry Lee, I'm president and general manager of the Sacramento Observer newspaper. I and other Black newspaper publishers throughout the state have been tracking the developments of this Commission and have been frankly disappointed and concerned with what we have observed: a Citizens Commission that seems to not listen, a Citizens Commission that embraces perspectives of many in one set of maps and then only a select few in other maps, a Commission that connects South Sacramento to Elk Grove, keeps Oakland whole, the Inland Empire in good position and Los Angeles with a 2-3-4 plan - that's two Senate, three Congressional and four Assembly Districts plan. Could this be the same Commission that divides Sacramento, threatens Oakland with being split multiple times and uses the Voting Rights Act against CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 African-Americans in Los Angeles? Could this also be the same body that separates parts of the high desert in Ventura and LA Counties, which pressures populations across all of South Los Angeles? You each have the chance to write the next part of the narrative of this Commission. We look forward to what Thank you. you choose to be your next headline. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. STONE: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I'm Aubry Stone, president and CEO of the California Black Chamber and for the sake of time I'll paraphrase my notes. I will simply say that I represent that part of the African-American community consistent with economic development and private enterprise. And we at the Black Chamber believe in maintaining and advancing all that improves economic justice. Congresswoman Watson outlined Southern very clearly our desires and I concur completely. California districts are unique and complex to its political culture and its historical reasoning. It was designed that way for a reason, if you understand the history of California and the African-American experience. I would encourage the Commission to focus its direction and work towards honoring Southern California's tradition by maintaining the African-American political representation. And note that political representation is merely an CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 extension of creating and maintaining economically sustainable African-American communities. much. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. So we have Huffman, Thank you very Snipes, Medina and then Payton. MS. HUFFMAN: NAACP, back again. Thank you for not issuing those unready maps last week. It gave us great heart. And, as you can see, our Good morning. Alice Huffman, State community has turned out to impress upon you the importance of keeping our representation and our political clout that we had and we have as you started this process. I did look at the Southern California maps and I just want to make a couple of specific comments because I will return again and I don't want to keep repeating myself. Ventura County with But you group West Los Angeles and that pushed the Black community into each other at every level. You can take care of this problem if you were to vet on the Orange County border and keep Ventura County connected to the high desert. You may find that Los And this is Angeles does not have to be squeezed. particularly the case because if you group Santa Monica Mountains with West Los Angeles, Beverly Hills and West Hollywood, these communities have much in common with each other. And it would then open up the process to keep our CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 political clout together. Those communities are in entertainment, they are an industry in and of themselves and they kind of belong together. So we are suggesting that you try to, as you're going through these last iterations and visualization, that you try something to not squeeze our communities down to two and to keep our current political power as we had when we started the process, as was given to us by the courts. Thank you very much. And I know you do have a hard job and I do keep coming back because I want to work with you every step of the way. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: Great, thank you, Ms. Huffman. So we have Snipes, Medina, Payton and Salaverry. MR. SNIPES: Good morning, commissioners. Tim Snipes from the Peoples Advocate. I'm here again primarily today to say thank you. was not able to stick around on Saturday to say thank you but was able to watch your deliberations. I wanted to I thank you for listening to the overwhelming testimony in favor or linking the East Ventura Senate seat to Santa Clarita. morning. Much of that testimony was reinforced here this Now I would like to encourage you to please follow through and ensure that Q2 draws those lines in accordance with the overwhelming public testimony and your own agreement on Saturday. Thank you. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MEDINA: Thank you. I'm Vicki Medina with the Antelope Valley Board of Trade. I spoke to you in Lancaster about the importance of creating two high desert Assembly seats, one for the Antelope Valley covering Lancaster, Palmdale, Rosamond and California City, and one centered in the Victor Valley communities of Adelanto, Hesperia, Victorville and Apple Valley. district. Those districts should be nested into one Senate In your first draft maps you did just about a Senate district MISKL totally protected our Please do not replace perfect job. high desert community of interest. it with a district not one person has asked for that was visualized just last week. The recent visualization combining the San Fernando Valley, Pacoima, Santa Clarita and splitting the Antelope Valley and Lancaster and Palmdale not only rips apart our community of interest but it also ignores the public testimony from East Ventura, Santa Clarita, the Antelope Valley and the Victor Valley. Within MISKL you drew two great Assembly districts, LAAVV covering Lancaster, Palmdale and Adelanto, and MISVK covering Mono and Inyo Counties, East Kern, Apple Valley, Hesperia and Victorville. Just last week when going over those Assembly districts commissioners lamented that Adelanto was split from the Victor Valley cities. There is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 an easy fix for this. The mayor of Adelanto and the Rosamond Municipal Advisory Council, their elected town council, and East Kern have both written letters in support of swapping Adelanto and East Kern between these two districts. It preserves both our Antelope Valley-East Kern community of interest and the Victor Valley community of interest. Thank you. Thank you. So we have Payton, CHAIR ANCHETA: Salaverry, De La Libertad, Silva and Jones. MR. PAYTON: Good morning. I'm Allen Payton, I'm the chairman of the Contra Costa Citizens Redistricting Task Force and part of the CCAG. I'm here to remind the Commission of what we've been working on since day one and that is to have an East Bay Congressional district that is east of the Oakland and East Bay Hills and that, from the fact that I live in Antioch and we're talking about a Congressional district that is going to make up the Tri-Valley of Livermore, Pleasanton and Dublin along with the San Ramon Valley, LaMOrinda, Walnut Creek, Clayton, along Ygnacio Valley Road and in Antioch, Oakley, Brentwood, Discovery Bay, Bethel Island, Byron and Knightsen. And if there is going to be a portion of Contra Costa in with Solano it makes sense to have those sections that are connected by the Benicia Bridge, which is 680, and the Carquinez Bridge, which is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 80, and that's Concord, Pleasant Hill, Martinez and then Hercules, Rodeo, Crockett over there. And we're asking that it not be split up more than three. We have maps that are going to be here this afternoon. Our gentleman is on his way to the We tried to finish it last redistricting site in Berkeley. night but we couldn't before we had to be kicked out at ten p.m., which was nice that we could be there that late. nevertheless, also our plan keeps the Tri-City whole in Union City, Fremont and Newark. satisfy that issue in that area. So that hopefully will So we will have those But later today when they get emailed to us and we will provide them to you on mobile disk. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. SALAVERRY: Salaverry of the CCAG. Today the Commission is scheduled to draw maps for Northern California. I would like you to know that our Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. Dave mapper, Chris Bowman, is on his way over or already at the Berkeley Redistricting Center finishing up maps we will submit today. The problem we had was with the Section 5 retrogression in Yuba. But I also want to talk about partisan balance. The Commission was designed and approved by voters to ensure partisan balance. There are five Democrats, five CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Republicans and four independents. And, although partisanship is forbidden in your line drawing, I believe there are political realities that you need to keep in mind. All of you are here in part representing the Had the drafters of political parties you are members of. the propositions not wanted balanced districts that reflect party registration they would have written a different initiative. Had voters not expected balance by party they As I'm sure the would not have passed the propositions. Commission is aware, the chairman of the California Republican Party has sent several letters to you recently. These letters basically put you on notice that Republican leaders believe that you are crossing lines that may lead to lawsuits. Other Republican leaders have weighed in as On March 18th an important well on the fairness issue. Republican leader, Mr. Charles Munger, testified in front of this Commission. Now, I don't know Mr. Munger well and I'm not speaking for him. MS. SARGIS: Time. Okay. However, I would like to MR. SALAVERRY: remind you that he said you are the crucible, you are the test and we that we expect fair maps. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. Thank you. MR. DE LA LIBERTAD: My name is Armando De La Libertad and I'm the CEO of an CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 organization called the Delhi Center, which is a 41-yearold nonprofit organization in Orange County that has over 32,000 visitors each year. I provided testimony on June 18th and I want to thank you for your efforts today. I first want to ask you to please keep Santa Ana and Anaheim together within the same Congressional district. I understand there may be some discussion tomorrow about the possibility of separating those two and that would be counter to the public sentiment expressed by many testimonials at the June 18th hearing. I also want to share that I strongly oppose the Senate visualization maps for Orange County because they connect working class Santa Ana with the much, much wealthier communities of Villa Park and the Orange Hills as well as some beach cities. Instead, please consider pairing the Santa Ana- Anaheim Assembly visualization district with the Anaheim-Fullerton district to nest them within one Senate district that encompasses the similar communities of Santa Ana, Anaheim, Fullerton, Buena Park and Stanton. This makes sense from an historical perspective because Anaheim, Fullerton and Santa Ana have similar agricultural histories, it makes sense when thinking about the needs of children because Santa Ana and Fullerton have the highest percentages of uninsured children, and within your packets I have provided a lot of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 facts that support these two requests. much. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. SILVA: Thank you. Thank you very Good morning, commission members. My name is Jesus Silva and I live and work in Fullerton, that's Orange County, Southern California. I am a junior high school teacher and I would consider myself to be a community leader in my city and for my students. This is my second time speaking in front of you. spoke before you on June 18th when you held a hearing in Fullerton. At that time I was advocating to keep South I Fullerton, the Anaheim flatlands and Santa Ana in the same Assembly, Senate and Congressional districts. Based on your most recent visualization maps, I want to thank you for being receptive and addressing my concerns and the concerns of many of the speakers who were there at the June 18th hearing. However, in taking a closer look at your latest maps you seem to be moving in the direction of not including South Fullerton in the same districts as the flatlands of Anaheim and Santa Ana. here today. I would like to draw your attention to the academic performance index scores. As you may or may not know, the And this is why I'm API scores are what the state uses to determine which schools are succeeding and which schools are not CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 succeeding. If you look at the scores of the schools in these three communities you will see that the vast majority of these schools have scores that fall between 600 and 700. One indicator of standardized test scores or API scores is the socioeconomic level of the students and the families. I have also heard many professors and researchers say that a great indicator of standardized test scores or API scores is the quality of the grass and flower beds in the front yards of the homes. MS. SARGIS: MR. SILVA: Time. Oh my goodness. I would just like to note that Santa Ana and Anaheim, the school districts have been put into the program improvement districts. you. CHAIR ANCHETA: All right, thank you. So we have Thank two more speakers, Reverend Jones and then Mr. HarrisDawson. MR. JONES: Good morning, friends. My name is Robert Jones, I'm a local pastor and representing also the California Association of Black Pastors. And I want you to know, all of you, that we are praying with you and for you. We understand what a challenge it is to perform this great task that we've entrusted you with. It is our hope that this Commission would be led to embrace the rich historical diversity of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the State of California and enjoy working together with you to reconcile differences in plans between the interested parties. It would be of great assistance to the Commission to hear the voices and the concerns of the African-American community throughout the state and understand where their concerns fall within their districts and their configurations and what communities they identify with. We believe that the Commission can achieve the unity that it seeks by engaging the African-American community in fruitful dialog as partners and not as adversaries. It is a thought that we strongly encourage you to look at those maps that fairly include the AfricanAmerican community in this process. We know that you seek unity, you ask for it, and we've entrusted you as citizens of this state that the African-Americans will have an equitable representation in the unity process. to thank you for your time. CHAIR ANCHETA: So I want May God bless and keep you. Thank you. Good morning, commissioners. MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: My name is Marqueece Harris-Dawson and I'm with the African-American Redistricting Collaborative. We have been before you several times before and we are a little bit troubled, or extremely troubled I should say, about the way the process has gone. So we follow your process, we've come to the hearings, we've submitted CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 testimony online, we've submitted maps, we've submitted data, we've submitted very specific community of interest data with regard to churches and other community institutions. The first draft of your map for Los Angeles County seemed fairly consistent and we continue to participate with you and do a little bit of horse trading around specific areas. And now we see visualizations that seem to completely ignore all that work that we've done with you over time throughout the state. And so we agree with the other speakers that have spoken today from NAACP and other organizations that the 43-2 formula ought to be realized. And we have tried to supply you with the necessary data and information to do that. And it seems as if that's been set aside as of this We have no idea why, we are very puzzled, last weekend. and so we're going to continue to ask you why and we're going to do that in a loud and in a public way. And, again, we want to continue to work with you but we need to see a signal from you all that that work has in fact been heard and been worthwhile. And if there is a disagreement with us or with what we're putting forward then we would like to be able to have a discussion about that and not find out because we see a visualization on the internet that completely obliterates everything that we've been providing testimony about for the past four or five CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 months. Thanks. CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. One question. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Good morning. Good morning. So obviously all of us have And when you say 4-3-2, been thinking about this a lot. can you say what you mean by - three what? MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So - I mean, you say Congressional district but three Congressional districts what? MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: We mean three effective districts where African-Americans can compete for representation. And so there are specific ratios that we And there And so, have provided you all that allow that to occur. is a long history of that occurring over time. again, there are specific percentages where we have submitted more than one iteration of maps that achieve that. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: No, I understand that. So what is effective in your calculus? MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: In our calculus we have submitted districts that have balanced demographics where the African-American population is somewhere between 30 and 45 percent and other groups would have similar ratios in those districts. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Would the other groups all be under that African-American population in those maps? MR. HARRIS-DAWSON: No, no, no, they wouldn't necessarily be under. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Great. Okay. Thank you. I believe that covers everyone for this morning. We will have a short comment period at the end of the day as well. Okay, Q2, are you hooked up at this point? MS. MACDONALD: Just one second. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so what I want to do before I think we are hooked up, yes. we sort of get into the process is if you are able to sort of give a demonstration of how to access the new interactive tool. MS. MACDONALD: What we are looking at is the swdb.berkeley.edu, it's the site for the Statewide Database where we have a web interface. And we basically modified that web interface to be able to show the visualizations that the Redistricting Commission approves. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. And if you start at the CRC website there will be a link to this particular page. MS. MACDONALD: Yes, I believe there is a link from And Jamie is the CRC webpage to this particular page. going to walk you though how to use this. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: Good morning. So here district type, We can select select district, there is a drop-down list. Senate and note that here is the date that it was posted. So this is also in reference to what visualizations are being shown. As you can see, the Senate district lines for Here "locate an address within And here we are at July 11th are currently up. a district", you can add any location. McGeorge School of Law. If we zoom out a little bit then And if you click inside any we can see the district lines. of the district boundaries then this box will appear that has the district name, the deviation, the percent deviation, Latino VAP, Latino CVAP, Black CVAP and Asian CVAP by percent. You can do this for any plan set. It can also be shown in satellite or hybrid. Here in the bottom left-hand corner you can access the GIS archive and here on the right-hand corner it will take you to the Statewide Database website. MS. MACDONALD: So what this also allows you to do is you can basically zoom into the district if you want to see where the district line actually falls. So Google allow you to zoom into a really close-up view and you can actually see the street boundaries. So, for example, using this boundary where the hand is right now you can basically see that it runs up Fulton Boulevard, for example, and then it crosses the El Dorado Freeway, which is the 50. This is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 probably not the best area because it's not an urban area. So let's find something - COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: MS. MACDONALD: Yes? I had a question. Ms. MacDonald? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: One limitation in this regard is that we can't see the boundaries for cities or counties, or is there some way of doing that? MS. MACDONALD: You know, I have to explore that. I don't know at this point whether Google lets us do that. As you know, we only had a day to put this together. think at least you can see the street boundaries. investigate that. So I Let me I'll send a message up to the Statewide Database and see if Google actually has city boundaries in there. I don't believe they do but we will investigate it. CHAIR ANCHETA: commissioners? Okay. Other questions from the Commissioner Barabba? I don't have a question, I COMMISSIONER BARABBA: just have a compliment. I think this is going to be really, really helpful and I really appreciate all the work that you've all put in. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, Ms. MacDonald, we also have some additional files that are loaded on the CRC website, a new file which is called, I guess, a .kmz file, which could be used with Google Earth if folks want to use that program CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as well. MS. MACDONALD: Earth, I have to say. So I'm not the expert on Google But essentially what we've made available on the CRC website is equivalency files and also a .kmz file so that when people have Google Earth on their own computer they can download this and then they can basically look at it on their own home computer, they don't have to go over the web. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, I believe, having used it yesterday that if you use Google Earth there is a border layer which allows you to look at city and county borders. MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio then CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: may be a comment or two. knowledge. California. Yes, and again I think this One is just for the public's Right now what's up is just Northern And I believe Southern California will be coming in the next day. And the second comment is I think this just goes to show that this is - similar to Commissioner Barabba - this is a really great way for the public and media and anyone else who is concerned that they won't get to see an actual physical second draft map to say these are the visualizations we're working on. And I think it's very CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 easy to interact with and it's really an opportunity. I think, despite us being painted as going dark or what not, I think this is an example. But this continues our excellent efforts at transparency and openness and it's incumbent upon the public and the media to follow along with this. Because it's very easy to use and there is no excuses for accusations otherwise. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber. I am technically COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: challenged sometimes and I just want to make sure that I have it straight as to what each of these programs are showing us. So the Statewide Database that you had up earlier - and I was actually looking at - that you demonstrated. map? MS. CLARK: So these are the current visualizations And here in this description it Now, is this our draft map, the first draft that we're working with. shows the date that they were created. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: I'm getting a little confused. Well, that's where Then there's the difference between the Google Earth, which is identified as the CRC visualizations, which is different than what we have on the Statewide Database. We have various visualizations. Correct. I think we could, if you MS. MACDONALD: wanted to, we could load in the first draft maps if you CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 wanted to. We have not loaded them in. What we did is we loaded up the files that we're going to be discussing today. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: MS. MACDONALD: Yes. Okay. That's it. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: MS. MACDONALD: there right now. That's the only thing that's in And because this is a new search engine, basically we're posting everything with a date and time stamp so that people know that this is basically the date when they were created so that there is no confusion about, you know, files that were previously posted. has the same files posted. And the CRC The only difference with the Statewide Database is that we have this web interface where people can actually look at it without having to download something to their own computers. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Okay, terrific. The other question that I have is for when we get to Southern California tomorrow and the visualizations that we spoke about and the potential options for, for instance, Los Angeles tomorrow, will the Statewide Database have each of these options available in the district type bar that you have at the top as we discuss options and move around? MS. MACDONALD: This is a very timely question, as And I I just got a file with three options from Ms. Boyle. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 actually just conferred with Chair Ancheta about how this should be posted. And they will be posted as Option 1, 2 and 3, again with the time and date stamp. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: at the top of this - MS. MACDONALD: Correct. -- page we're looking At the district type COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: at. I'm just walking the public through it as well so I can follow along and the members of the public when we start seeing different options will see it up in that box. Thank you very much. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. And thank you. It's very helpful and honestly it's new for us and it's new for the public. So we want to make sure there aren't any glitches. And no doubt there will be a glitch along the And for Q2. way but I think this is a very helpful tool, particularly in its ability to kind of get down to the street level, which has been a problem with previous maps and visualizations. Okay, just as a reminder, what we are doing in a few minutes will be going through the visualizations and we will start with the Congressional maps. I did want to remind folks that we are trying to keep track of why we're doing things. So that's actually going to be more formal We will spend a this time in terms of each district. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 little more time doing that, again, for our report. Just as a reminder, I will just run through the list if you don't remember where you were situated. So Region 1 we have Commissioners Ontai and Commissioner Raya; Region 2, Commissioners Filkins-Webber and Dai; Region 3, Commissioners Ward and Forbes; Region 4, which is Southern California, we've got San Fernando, Santa Clarita, Antelope Valley, Commissioners Barabba and Parvenu; West Side, South Bay-Long Beach, Commissioners Parvenu and Yao; San Gabriel Valley, Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena, Commissioners Raya and Galambos-Malloy; Downtown, Central, East LA, Commissioners Blanco and Filkins-Webber; Region 5, Commissioner Aguirre and Commissioner Ward; Region 6, Commissioner DiGuilio and Commissioner Aguirre; Region 7, myself and Commissioner Barabba; Region 8, Commissioner Dai and Commissioner Galambos-Malloy; and then Region 9, Commissioner Forbes and Commissioner Ontai. So as we get through these - obviously these aren't all Northern California but just as a reminder, when we get to Southern California as well we will be looking to you to help us get these descriptions down. Okay? Also I did send around via email just some suggested language you might want to use. Again, this is only if we have a problem and there isn't consensus regarding moving something forward. If we do have a lack CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of consensus we will have to take a vote on moving something forward. proposed language. So you might check your email regarding I'm suggesting language of something along the lines that the Commission would direct Q2 to advance for ongoing consideration, say, the Senate visualization entitled - the name - presented on - the date - and containing, you know, X, Y districts, so name the district as well. So the main thing is indicating what type of map is this, when was it presented and what are the districts within it. And, again, for those times when we do have options we will probably refer to them as option one or option two or something like that. recording. So just for Now, again, the default is if we are on And if we need consensus we will simply just move forward. to have sort of a summary motion at the end we will just sort of do that at the end before we move on to the next set of maps. Does that sound okay in terms of just how we're proceeding? (Affirmative responses from Commissioners.) Okay. And Jamie left the room. Yes, could we just have two MS. MACDONALD: minutes? CHAIR ANCHETA: minute break then. Okay, maybe we can take a five CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 job. (Five minute recess at 10:22 a.m.) Okay, we are back. During the break it was suggested that for today we deal with the larger details of the districts and reserve for next week really minor changes, you know, get down to the street level or may involve dealing with deviations and trying to get those numbers down as needed, but not really to do any major changes with the districts. Now, again, there is a little bit of padding that we built in at the end because the - as we've been calling it - sort of dropdead date is the end of July. target date. So, for example, if we have to go into overtime this week - let's say, for example, we have to go into Saturday - it is possible to push everything back a day. think that's one possibility. do that. Again, not ideal but we can I But we put the 28th as the But I think the general process is to really nail things down this week and not go into next week with any either options or major changes occurring. And, Commissioner DiGuilio, you can add in as well. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think you did a very good I think just to add to it briefly would just simply be that, again, the exchange for not having a second draft map was to give us the time this week to work out these details and then allow the mappers to go back and implement CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 our directions. So whatever time it takes to really focus down and give specific directions so that Q2 has their walking papers and will be able to use the time in the next few days to do the mapping once we're done with line directions. Again, we're assuming that once those visualizations - the newest ones come up next week - they will be, again, able to be uploaded to the site and we can work with those as we move into the live line drawing sessions. But in essence what they come up with next week before live line drawing sessions will be kind of the replacement of the second draft map. That will be kind of the higher level details that have been implemented based on our directions. And after that point it will just be the smaller block level and line adjustments that will be taking place next week. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner Raya? COMMISSIONER RAYA: I just want to be sure that we You feel we can go into that extra time if we have to. know, sometimes I feel there is kind of this emphasis on here's our deadline, here's our deadline for Friday. want to feel that there's enough time if we have some significant differences of opinion that we're going to explore those. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. And I CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think there will be time. I think that's what Commissioner Ancheta had mentioned, there will be a chance to have some discussion. if we need to, we may have to vote. And also, Because there is no more opportunities to come back with another option or two. What we walk away with after these next few days into Saturday - if we need to - will be clear directions. But after that point, whatever we do in these next few days, Saturday - and I don't even know if there is a Sunday, I hope not. I mean, I'm not sure if it had been agendized. But there is this balance between what has to happen after we walk away, there has to be enough time for Q2 to implement that and then also allow us to, you know, kind of - it's a block, whenever you push one day it pushes each block out a day or two. So I do think Commissioner Ancheta has that in his radar to do that. CHAIR ANCHETA: we are done this week. Yes. And we will not leave until And, again, we don't want to have to go into the weekend, certainly we would like to get it wrapped up by Friday. But those meetings are still on the calendar and if we have to continue, we will continue. And, again, we do have a couple of days of padding if we push - and, again, it's to push back next week as well so that Q2 does have adequate time to implement what we give them this week. But the general sequence is basically set. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commissioner Yao? COMMISSIONER YAO: So, again, stating what I think I heard in my way, when we leave a particular region on a particular district map we're not going to investigate any other alternatives. In other words, no more options. And we have to basically take time out to make sure that we can all live with the version that we have discussed and make decisions on. Because I think having to continuously investigate options is problematic in terms of adhering to our schedule. And, again, I hate to let the schedule drive everything but I think we are at a point where we simply have to do that. And with or without all the information we need, we need to basically move forward, to go with a single configuration once we leave a particular region under discussion in the next few days. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah, draw whatever sports analogy you want, it's the fourth quarter or it's whatever period you want to be in, we're there. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: Commissioner Aguirre? Yes. And just adding to that, as a Commission, of course, we all realize that we can't please everybody and the center of the universe concept is something that everybody holds dear to their heart. But ultimately working within the established criteria there are going to be some folks that are not going to be happy with the maps and they will continue to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 come to us and say that but ultimately I think if we apply the criteria as we see it then I think it's going to be a great improvement on what there was before. thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: then. Okay, we are ready to plunge in, All right, Do you want to start at the top? MS. MACDONALD: Okay, that's what we will do. And we're starting with Congressional. MS. CLARK: So here is the North Coast District, Del Norte, Humboldt, Trinity, Mendocino - if we zoom in here - sort of western Sonoma County and Marin County is whole. Per CRC direction, the City of Santa Rosa and Rohnert Park are in a Congressional district moving east with Napa. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so on the coastal district, again, as a short narrative, why does this district exist as it does? So our two team members, would you care to just - or maybe it just sort of states the obvious but why is this district configured as it is? (No response.) So Commissioner Forbes? COMMISSIONER FORBES: thought you were asking them. Oh, you're asking me. Sorry. It's a coastal And all the COI We didn't go I district, it shares a common economy. testimony we had was to create that district. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 all the way down into Marin because we thought that it would basically be too long. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: We did actually go down to Marin in a previous iteration and we were told loud and clear that that was too far south and that the interests of the far north end of the coastal district and the southern end in that previous iteration - which was really highly urbanized parts of Marin County - that we needed to reconfigure that significantly. COMMISSIONER DAI: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current version does go down to Marin. MS. CLARK: Yes, it does. Right, it goes down to Marin We also did make Siskiyou COMMISSIONER FORBES: but not to the Golden Gate. County whole in this one. CHAIR ANCHETA: Which is in the adjacent district. Right, it's in the adjacent But I just want to point COMMISSIONER FORBES: district, not in this district. out that it is now whole, that was a change. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so Commissioner Galambos- Malloy then Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And to confirm, in this visualization we have Santa Rosa whole? MS. CLARK: Yes. In the adjacent district. CHAIR ANCHETA: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: In the adjacent district, which we were not able to do to create a coastal district that included the full population of Santa Rosa. And so we chose to prioritize keeping Santa Rosa whole. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner DiGuilio? And I think, to go back, as COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I understand it this district does go all the way down to the Golden Gate Bridge, is that correct, Ms. Clark? MS. CLARK: Yes. And the reason was COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: originally we tried not to have a population base that was centered in Marin and that was where one of our earlier visualizations crossed over into Siskiyou and we kind of did the horseshoe, for lack of a better word, to try and pick up the population in the north. And we heard very loud and clear that that was not something that was acceptable, even though it was keeping communities that were - counties that were smaller population, the differences versus inland was significant. And then we heard from the coastal, from Del Norte, Humboldt, Mendocino and down that they felt that the community of interest link all the way down to Marin, even though that was a population base, was more aligned with them. So, again, we had some different iterations around the Santa Rosa area once we made that decision to go down CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to Marin but we chose to keep Santa Rosa whole and put them in with Napa along the lines of the Wine Country and to also try and keep the integrity of the 101 corridor, which before had been cut up a number of times, I believe. tried to keep it whole. We So, as I recall, that's kind of some of the testimony for where we had been. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. So Commissioner Dai and then And, Commissioner Dai, could Commissioner Filkins-Webber. you also comment on what level of detail you think is most effective for tracking purposes and for the report? Because we can get pretty detailed and we can spend a lot of time on each district, but I want to make sure we get through them. COMMISSIONER DAI: If you guys hopefully have all looked at the draft narrative examples you'll note that unless there is a Section 2 or Section 5 county in your district that the narratives are relatively succinct. the idea is to kind of summarize major communities of interest that, you know, we attempted to keep whole or mostly whole. Because there are many smaller communities So of interest that were respected but, you know, we don't need to go into all of those details. I think capturing the highlights in terms of what the shared interests are of everyone in the district is really what we're trying to go for there, we're not trying to make this a serious tome CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 here, so about a paragraph for each district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. So anyway I had a comment and I COMMISSIONER DAI: just wanted Ms. Clark to comment on, I believe we had given some direction on trying to keep Lake in with Napa. And we got obviously some suggestion this morning from public testimony of swapping that population out with either northern Contra Costa or Solano. And I just wanted you to comment on what the issues were there. MS. CLARK: To swap out Lake for this area of Contra Costa County, there would still be a portion of Contra Costa County in this visualization. For Solano County, if we moved this line west then I believe that Fairfield could possibly still be split. CRC direction to explore that - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think the exchange was So right now - I But if there was with Lake and with the City of Fairfield. know we had a discussion about trying to minimize the Fairfield split. But 64,000 in Lake, what would happen with the Solano-Fairfield line then and how does Commissioner Forbes think about this? COMMISSIONER FORBES: I mean, I think that's possible, I think it's something worth looking at. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes, I mean, Fairfield is already split and we would be able to keep Lake whole and CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at least with Napa. Because we were not able to, you know, put Mendocino, Lake, Napa and Sonoma together in a single district but at least we could have, you know, two counties in each district. COMMISSIONER FORBES: You know, I also notice that we have some deviation to work with in this one. MS. CLARK: This is Congressional. I'm sorry. COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber? That was my point COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: based on the comments this morning, whether when we are looking at the narratives and we're having these discussions whether we should consider the potential ramifications of the requests made by the public. So, again, hearing the testimony this morning regarding Lake, I was wondering where was the consequence. And it sounds like it's with Fairfield. And whether based on the totality of the community of interest testimony we've received whether that might be a consideration for the Commission before it adopts anything final. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Again, I think this is It might solve two something we should at least try. problems. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so we need to have some agreement on whether this is something we try or we go for CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it. You have to either go for it or you don't go for it. COMMISSIONER DAI: I think we should go for it. I think we should go COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: for it. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Go for it. So the direction COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: would be to remove Lake from YUBA and put it with NEBAY. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DAI: Correct. Yes. And then to switch out COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Fairfield with Lake. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yes, and make up the population in southwest Solano County. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: see if that will work. CHAIR ANCHETA: comments on this? MS. CLARK: If somebody has the city splits report Okay, so Q2, do you have some Check with Ms. Clark and for Congressional handy - I emailed that out to the commissioners last night - that can say what the exact split is in Fairfield and then we can have more insight into that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Can anyone pull those up? I don't know that COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: everyone received it. I didn't receive it. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 website. posting? COMMISSIONER FORBES: actually. CHAIR ANCHETA: No, I didn't get that, Was that sent to CRC Staff for MS. CLARK: Yes. So is it on the website somewhere? Oh, it's on the web, okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Look under meeting handouts on our MS. CLARK: That's where it is. Okay. It's called reports. So the split in CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. CLARK: Right, I found it. Fairfield right now, the portion of Fairfield that is in the district with Napa and Santa Rosa is 27,000. COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. CLARK: Oh. Lake is 64,000. We can't get enough COMMISSIONER FORBES: population. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So what would you have to If do? How far down would you have to go, approximately? you could give us an idea. MS. CLARK: So all - So, in other words, we COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: would be making Fairfield whole. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: All of Fairfield would be whole, Green Valley, this entire section would be in the YUBA district. Either the entirety of Benicia could be in it or Benicia would be split or Vallejo would be split. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yeah, I think Benicia could be in Solano given the entry, you know, sort of into the delta. And this is the 80 corridor. I'm trying - the reason I'm hesitating is I can't remember the testimony on Benicia in particular. In know from knowing the area that that would not be inconsistent with, you know, the transportation and the area. it whole or not. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Would it, Commissioner I don't know if you can keep Blanco, in terms of Benicia being linked with Sutter and Yuba? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: make sense. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I don't think you're going to No, I don't think that would get the population unless you split Vallejo. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: And I think you could pick up if you needed to pick up - it won't give you enough - but, you know, Benicia, Port Costa, you know, those are all those cities that sort of go up 80 past the Carquinez. COMMISSIONER FORBES: But I think we're still going to be 14 or 15 thousand people short of matching Lake if CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 68 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you put Fairfield and Green Valley and Benicia, all that area, I don't think you - unless you split Vallejo. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: Mm-hmm. Unless you split Vallejo. And so I think the choice is splitting Vallejo or keeping Lake where it is. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Napa in the Senate and Assembly. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: good exercise. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Mm-hmm. I think we really do try to It's just that It is with Napa. I mean, I think this is a And I believe Lake is with take these things into consideration. sometimes our role is to balance the impacts in other locations as well, too, and to try to do the least amount of harm, recognizing that Lake and Napa would like to be together, Congressional. But the impacts in other communities may be too great for that to happen. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Assembly District. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Blanco then And they are together in the Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I think for the narrative we should talk about the length of the district from Del Norte CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to Marin and what led to that district, in particular - and I don't remember this, so I'll be the first to say that - whether it had anything to do with not crossing over the bridge. You know, whether a lot of these configurations that we're dealing with here, including the length of this coastal district, were related to our decision to have a hard stop at the bridge. Because I think that would - you know, we did get comments about the length of this district. And, you know, it is a long district. So I think we need to explain what were the - as Commissioner Filkins-Webber has said, what are the things we were trying to accommodate that led us to having a district of that size? CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Filkins-Webber and then Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: In that regard we also had received a public comment this morning about the south Contra Costa, which I think includes the other towns of Martinez and Hercules. Jamie, can you advise the Commission, or refresh our recollection, and the members of the public as to what potential consequences? So if we were trying to put Lake back into the NEBAY, the Napa district there, to include Lake - and, again, based on this morning's comment - if we were to consider taking out the lower portion there of the Contra Costa, what the potential CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ripple effects could be and where we hit a hard line that makes it difficult for us to adjust any further districts in Contra Costa or Alameda for that matter. MS. CLARK: Because there is a hard line at the Golden Gate Bridge, if we were to include Lake with this NEBAY district then the population here, the line between NEBAY and COCO, would move north. There is this hard line at the Golden Gate Bridge and also none of the east to west bridges are crossed. And so basically the population moves in a U, which would mean that this line here at the Golden Gate Bridge would move south and we would need to pick up population from - ultimately, we would need to pick up population in northern San Francisco just to balance the rest of these districts here in the Bay Area. Another option would be if Lake moved into NEBAY and then again this line between NEBAY and COCO moved north, then we could pick up population here for Solano here and then replace that somewhere in San Joaquin, maybe from Tracy or Manteca. And then this Stanislaus-based district would have to pick up population from somewhere in the foothills. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: So essentially, in summary, you're either going to consider disrupting the community of interest testimony not to cross the Golden Gate Bridge; alternatively, if you have to go to the east CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 then you're disrupting the Congressional district of keeping San Joaquin Valley whole, then the consequence could potentially be splitting Tracy and then going even further to the east and splitting Foothill districts into San Joaquin or Stanislaus or the district - I can't see the next name - below. MS. CLARK: Yes. So the potential COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: ramifications of meeting or trying to accommodate community of interest testimony that we received this morning in particular, just to highlight it as an example, could have those ramifications to potentially disrupt and split additional cities and to split community of interest testimony that we received that actually spans from the Golden Gate Bridge all the way to the Foothill district? MS. CLARK: Yes. Thank you. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Commissioner DiGuilio and then I'm just going back to Commissioner Blanco's question about the length of the long districts. And I think we will see this in a number of districts, the coastal, the MTCAP and the Foothills. They're large, they're long. But I think that's a very good point to go back, that we had tried to maintain some CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the geographic integrity of the coastal range. And as a result of just many of these counties up here that are very low populated. And in order for us to reach the number one criteria, which is equal population, they have traditionally been very large size, sometimes very long, or just very big in general because of trying to reach the population. So it's funny, I think Commissioner Blanco brought up something that we've been operating on from the very, very beginning. But it's good for us to reflect on it, to meet the population requirements these smaller populated areas and the geographic boundaries along it as well, too. And I think we do need to make one last point, is that I don't think in this situation the Golden Gate Bridge determined the length of it. different iterations. In fact, we saw a lot of We broke the Golden Gate Bridge in some of our visualizations and we saw the repercussions of that along the whole East Bay Area and we chose not to do that. But in this particular case it wasn't that the Golden Gate Bridge dictated it, it was really trying to keep the integrity of the northern coastal down and the inland parts, Siskiyou, Modoc, separate from each other. And then just for population we went down the coast. That's the reason for the length. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And let me note. I'm CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 letting the discussion go a little bit longer simply because I'm thinking that the fundamental interests that we're talking about will be replicated in the other districts. I'm going to be much tighter in terms of time But it's good to flesh these out now. as we move forward. Commissioner Dai and then Barabba. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes. We did and I think we were successful at making two North Coast districts for the Assembly. units. And we are working with, you know, different But, Ms. Clark, could you just remind the Commission why with the Congressional we weren't able to kind of do a clockwise rotation of the population between the North Coast District, the Yuba District and the Northeast Bay District? Because we had talked about separating out kind of urban Marin and making it go eastwest instead. MS. CLARK: If we were to take out Marin to try and create two North Coast districts for Congressional, then basically Del Norte to Modoc to Sierra or even Nevada Counties to Mendocino would be one entire Congressional district. We heard a lot of COI testimony that advocated And also the for north to south districts in this region. Yuba Section 5 district, just in attempting such visualizations it was very difficult to have those benchmark VAPs be met. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner Barabba? Yes. The other in the COMMISSIONER BARABBA: overall report framework that Commissioner Dai and I are working on, one of the things we have to remember is those 19 counties make up about a third of the land mass of our state. And I forget what the number was, but it was around The likelihood of And I four percent of the total population. that not having large districts is remote at best. think we should kind of put that forward because one of the reasons people move up there is because they like the extent to which they are not populated heavily but the price they pay is they have big districts. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. And I believe for drafting purposes you are starting with sort of regions up front and then going into specific districts. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah. So the general regions are sort of So mischaracterized by those set of attributes. Commissioner Blanco? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm sorry, could Commissioner Barabba repeat again for me just very quickly the land to population ratio he said? you said? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Above Sacramento there are Was it 19 counties roughly 19 counties and the - I'll send you the report that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I put together for Commissioner Dai. But I think it was like 19, almost a third of the - 29 percent or 30 percent of the state's land mass and only about four percent of the population. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner Blanco? Yeah, and thank you for COMMISSIONER BLANCO: letting this go on longer because I think we are sort of getting ourselves ready for how we're going to talk about this. But along the lines of an overview for all of this, I think it's also important to address because there is a lot of concern that districts have changed a lot from last time and even from the 1990. things. And I wanted to point out two In 1990 when the maps were drawn, you know, the special master maps, there were seven new Congressional districts that decade in California. So that's the parameters people were working with, they had seven new Congressional districts to work with. In 2000 they had one additional Congressional district was added as a result of the census. districts. So I think in terms of the narrative it's important to point out that we are for the first time ever in a status quo situation. Even though different portions of This time we have no new Congressional the state did grow, we did not have enough to add any more CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 76 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Congressional districts, as opposed to one last time and seven the time before that. COMMISSIONER FORBES: And I think there is a factor that follows up on that and that is relative to the rest of the state the Northern California area has shrunk. And given the fact that the districts are larger - 930,000 people, for example, for a Senate seat and 703,000 for a Congressional seat - you're going to take up even more area in the north state to get to that population number. Like, for example, I added up the counties north of Sacramento. If you don't count the coast the entire population north of Sacramento is about 760,000 people. There just aren't very many people up there relatively speaking. CHAIR ANCHETA: And I think they like it that way. And that's why they are COMMISSIONER FORBES: there. That's why our Senate seat, you know, drives into Sacramento because we can't get to 930,000 any other way. CHAIR ANCHETA: comments? (No response.) We're not doing much at this point. So we have a Okay, are there any additional general discussion of NOCST and we've talked a little bit about some of the adjacent ones. again, let's move forward. Forbes can discuss - CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 77 Let's just summarize And Commissioner So MTCAP. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yes, well MTCAP is a similar It's big, it does have discussion as the previous one. community of interest in that it's mountainous and timber, it also has the I-5 corridor, it keeps Siskiyou together again. We also did not put Shasta with the coast, that had And, been one variation that had not been well received. again, when we were in Redding we heard that the people who lived there did not want to be dominated by the urban areas of Sacramento and so we have kept this to be a loosely populated area. So it is not dominated by any urban area. Okay. Commissioner DiGuilio? And I think it might just CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: be worth noting that we did hear from Redding and Shasta to some degree that - and there is an argument they are a valley-based community. But, again, this is balancing the COI of those further down in the valley as well, too, in Yuba, Sutter, Glenn, Colusa and some of the population and geographic locations of Shasta and Redding in that northern MTCAP district. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) If everybody is okay, that's good. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Chair Ancheta? How about YUBA? Any additional comments? Yes? I guess we made a decision on COMMISSIONER YAO: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 78 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not moving the Lake County into the district, is that correct. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Correct, yes. Okay. I just wanted to make Right, we should clarify COMMISSIONER YAO: sure. I know the argument was against making changes but I just want to precisely state the fact that we are not making any changes CHAIR ANCHETA: Right, it's on the record. Okay. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: want to describe YUBA? So, Commissioner Forbes, do you COMMISSIONER FORBES: Okay, this district is largely a rural district with Glenn, Colusa, Yolo, Solano and Sutter. We've kept Yolo whole, with the exception of And again, it's the I-5 corridor. But West Sacramento. we've created primarily an agricultural district along the I-5 corridor. been met. CHAIR ANCHETA: We will confirm that in the report. I assume that the Section 5 numbers have But, again, for VRA-related districts we will have more data, particularly for Section 5 districts we will have benchmark and district data that looks at the various - MS. CLARK: That's included in the packet of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 79 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reports that I sent you last night. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right, okay. And, again, I think on this district we are fine in terms of meeting voting age population benchmarks. COMMISSIONER FORBES: want to put in here. correct? MS. CLARK: That's correct. Glenn County - I will ask the question I Glenn County is split, is that not COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. CLARK: And that's for population? Solano - is split for population. County is also split for population. city split. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Fairfield is the only COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And remind me, the split in Glenn, this is the one where we split Glenn as opposed to the 99 corridor, is that right? MS. CLARK: setCOMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. CLARK: or Colusa. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. CLARK: Oh, that's right. Okay. No. I believe that is in the Senate plan - where it was either to split Sutter This split in Glenn is just purely for population, the plus or minus one person population constraint for Congressional districts. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 80 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Let me ask a question. You know, this is somewhat rhetorical. Is there any way of keeping Glenn whole and slicing Fairfield somewhat more? The advantage of getting all of Glenn? MS. CLARK: In exchange for - okay, we would either have to then split Butte County or Nevada County or Placer County again. COMMISSIONER FORBES: You could not pick it up out of Fairfield and do something at that end of the district? MS. CLARK: If we were going to pick it up from Fairfield then we would have to split Napa County. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Okay. I just wanted to ask Thank you. the question so we knew the answer. MS. CLARK: Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: And there is no proposal to change COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. No. That's fine. I just wanted to respond to COMMISSIONER FORBES: the question from Glenn, How can you split us? MS. CLARK: Yes. Sure. Okay, any additional CHAIR ANCHETA: comments on this district? (No response.) Your pleasure, Commissioner Forbes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 81 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: Sacramento? CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. Why don't we just go Since last time you have seen a visualization for this district Elk Grove has been removed from this area of West Sacramento and the City of Sacramento. To make up population here we have moved up the 80 corridor to include all of Antelope and all of North Highlands and the census place Arden-Arcade is split for population. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Here again we made an effort to keep the API community in the southern part of the county together. kept together. The main part of Sacramento is in fact And Sac State and UC Davis Med Center are We received a letter from the city in the central area. manager in our first iteration that they were outside of the core area of Sacramento. And so you basically have a city/county split here with the county areas to the east. Citrus Heights is kept whole in this iteration. CHAIR ANCHETA: In the adjacent district, okay. Yeah, in the adjacent, right. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I'm sorry. unit. CHAIR ANCHETA: I'm reviewing these two together as sort of one All right. Commissioner DiGuilio, Commissioner Yao, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy and then CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 82 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: The one thing I'm having a difficult time with - and it's actually, I bring it up now only because it's related to these two districts - is the one just north where we have Roseville and Rocklin and all of that, in the Foothill District. this briefly. I know we talked about And I just would like to take a minute to Because So I see if there are any other options that we have. that just seems like it's very problematic to me. don't know, Ms. Clark, if there is anything that can be done to switch out population, maybe with - I'm not sure what the rotation would be, what our options would be in terms of trying to get the Roseville-Rocklin into a Sacramento-based or something in the valley versus something in the foothills. Maybe if you could just give a brief option and then that might make the decision easier. But it's just the one area that I'm troubled by. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: As am I. I'm wondering if there is an exchange that could happen with the Placer, Nevada in a rotation of that. I'm not sure, I'd like to see if I can - I know we're really hemmed in in the south and you need population for that Foothill District. as to what our options are. MS. CLARK: Sure. And that's correct, this area is So I'm just curious CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 83 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 included in the Foothill District for population. And this area in the valley, because of the Section 5 districts, has hard lines that cannot be crossed. I think that if there was to be a population rotation then it would be from the north, just to not move around those Section 5 districts. Options could include - and it would be, again, to make up population in this Foothill District if we were to remove the West Placer County area, would be to instead of this area in West Placer County, to move population from Sacramento County into the Foothills District. That would be Elk Grove, Florin, Vineyard, Rancho Murieta, possibly all of Rancho Cordova or it would potentially need to be split. COMMISSIONER FORBES: anything. MS. CLARK: I think that that's - It's just another urban area I don't think you'd gain COMMISSIONER FORBES: or suburban area moved into the trade. MS. CLARK: Yes. Is there anything in the COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Placer, Nevada, I'm thinking in the western parts of those? COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: You need 200,000 people. That's why - I agree with Commissioner Forbes that the urban part of Sacramento would not be a trade-off but I'm wondering if there is anything. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 84 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Currently some of those - I don't know if Grass Valley and some of those up there, the population base. But they are currently in the MTCAP District and I'm wondering if there is not a huge trade-off to go to a Foothill District versus a MTCAP. These are not ideal. MS. CLARK: I think that if this was going to be moved into the MTCAP District then we would need all of Nevada County, all of Sierra County and then just keep on moving north to make up for the population. Unless we split Yuba County or split Nevada County then this West Placer population would be isolated from the rest of the district. So we would have to split these counties basically right down the middle just to make the MTCAP District contiguous. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I guess I'm not so much concerned about - I don't necessarily think putting Roseville in a MTCAP District is good, either. I'm just wondering if you can do a switch between MTCAP - again, this is just too much, 200,000 people with the population to go up and around. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I mean, you could do something like Butte to the Yuba District and Yolo to the Sacramento District and Sacramento to El Dorado. don't think you'd gain anything by doing that. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Okay. But I CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 85 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: And another option could be this Roseville area into the Yuba District and then Glenn, Lake, Colusa and part of Yolo into the MTCAP District and then moving this Foothills line north into MTCAP. COMMISSIONER FORBES: So you would essentially break up the ag district that you have created. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: shaking on all that. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: through those options. I appreciate you talking Mm-hmm. Okay, I'm seeing a lot of heads Because this is a difficult one for me but I think, again, the balancing of the trade-offs, it will just have to be one that we can put down on the record that we've tried other options. COMMISSIONER FORBES: And I think in reference to the Foothills District we have kept Lake Tahoe whole in the Congressional area and we have kept the population so that the Foothill District still has the predominant population. So it will retain its character. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so just to get back. So we were on SAC and then as part of your discussion you were talking about - is it SACCO? COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. Sacramento County. Do you want to The adjacent one. add anything else to that one? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 queue. COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: No. We'll go back to the It was Yao, I'm sorry. I just wanted to confirm that. Galambos-Malloy then Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER YAO: The speaker this morning talked Commissioner Forbes, about Elk Grove and South Sacramento. you seemed to understand that. COMMISSIONER FORBES: District. Yes, that was in the Assembly And, in fact, I looked at the Assembly map and our proposed Assembly map meets their objectives. COMMISSIONER YAO: The Assembly meets it but this Congressional, we definitely have split that historical African-American community. Or are they together except they are just not with Sacramento? COMMISSIONER FORBES: just not with Sacramento. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: API community. I think this was to do the I think they are together but I think what we balanced was in the Assembly and Senate we kept Elk Grove with South Sacramento for the African-American community and then Congress - remember, there was the Elk Grove/Vineyard API community? COMMISSIONER DAI: Sacramento. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: South Sacramento. Yeah, I mean he talked about No, it was also South CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 87 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mack Road. Well, this district cuts on Florin Road, which So the Elk is significantly north of Mack Road. Grove/Florin area, the area he talked about, is largely incorporated in the Sacramento County District. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER YAO: Yeah, actually - Okay, so you feel that this is probably the best combination - COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER YAO: point in time? COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Mm-hmm. Yeah. - we can accommodate at this Okay, thank you. Commissioner Dai, you can interject just on this particular point. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that the API community included South Sacramento as well. So this does split the API community but it does keep several key areas together, Florin, Vineyard and Elk Grove. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Actually, Florin Road is the northern area of what is considered South Sacramento. COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER FORBES: is pretty much together. COMMISSIONER DAI: is some part. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 88 It's mostly together but there Right. So the API community actually 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 please? CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy and then Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: asked my exact question. Commissioner Yao I'm just trying to figure out if we had managed to preserve both the API and AfricanAmerican communities in this visualization. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Now, if the Commission would be agreeable to this - and I have not done this yet - I could look - if you look at this map it says Florin, Florin Road? It could be that, you know, we may want to move that up a little bit and see if we can pick up the Oak Park neighborhood, which is closer to 50, and trade it off into Rancho Cordova, I'd have no idea, the Arden-Arcade area there. That's possible and that would pick up more of the African-American community. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: supportive of that. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Can you say that again, I would be very COMMISSIONER FORBES: Okay, if you look at the map. If we move the lines - see where it says Florin Road and you come up the 99 to roughly Highway 50, you see there is a little square there. That would be formed by the 99 on And then trade that out the west and the 50 on the north. for moving further into the Arden-Arcade, which is just a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 89 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 neighborhood, it's not a city. That would put more of the African-American community in the SACCO district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And that's an exchange. That would be an exchange. COMMISSIONER FORBES: And I would ask our line drawer what she thinks of that. MS. CLARK: possible. Yeah, I think that that is definitely I also just want to bring to the Commission's attention that there is COI testimony advocating for this neighborhood to be with the City of Sacramento. COMMISSIONER FORBES: the question. Right. And, again, that's I mean, this neighborhood is an integral It happens to be an And so we have the trade- part of the City of Sacramento. African-American neighborhood. off of do you want to keep more of the African-American community together or more keep the city whole? I think overall it's better to keep the city whole but I wanted to offer that as an option for the Commission to consider. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Can you give us a better sense of how much population you're talking when you talk about moving that boundary north and including more of the African-American population with Elk Grove and other communities? I mean, are we talking about - I would have to ask Jamie. It's COMMISSIONER FORBES: It's probably, oh, I would think at least 40,000. significant. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 90 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Webber. 56,000. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. One moment, please. And that's COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: essentially for the Oak Park portion? COMMISSIONER FORBES: That's exactly right. And you're going to pick up, you know, this population that is not necessarily African-American as well. a little more of the Asian population, too. CHAIR ANCHETA: Let's go to Commissioner FilkinsYou will pick up Webber and then Commissioner DiGuilio. MS. CLARK: That population that's highlighted is COMMISSIONER FORBES: So it's a big move. I mean, I would be disinclined to do it but I just wanted to put the options out there. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so Commissioner Filkins- COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: This has been a little bit of my concern as well and I think we need to talk about it. I'm looking at the Statewide Database, because it's a lovely tool, to actually look at these streets and it's very helpful here. I don't know where - the line that comes down on the 99 - and that's where I have a little bit of concern - this looks like there may be a balance here again between communities of interest with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 91 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Florin, Vineyard and Elk Grove and the API interest versus the testimony we heard this morning that South Sacramento wanted to be with Elk Grove. So knowing that balance, is there more work here that could be done but yet still preserving the community of interest testimony that Ms. Clark just pointed out as to that eastern area of Sacramento? And then I had one other question as to how some of these - this little area at the top of SAC, that little hook on the blue part? How did those get created and - I know we might be at too much of a micro level here. MS. CLARK: Sacramento. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Okay. So we would That's the city boundary of the City of probably be looking at just highlighting it or cleaning it up or would it be still considered a city split? looks like a neighborhood when you're looking. It just If you split it and you made it all part of SAC, well then it would be a split, is what I'm saying. MS. CLARK: Yes, if you split - is the question to incorporate this area? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: it gets created. boundary. MS. CLARK: Yes. I'm just asking how But it sounds like it's the city CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. Okay, thank you. So COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: I guess the question just goes back to, are we respecting the testimony we received this morning if there is some inability to do that due to a balancing of communities of interest or is there some way of looking at keeping the South Sacramento area whole? district? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, if I'm Are we doing that in this understanding Commissioner Forbes right, I mean, we're looking at which part of Sacramento to include. It's not going to foster a split, it's do we keep more of the southside in or do we keep more of the Arden-Arcade area in, is that correct? COMMISSIONER FORBES: That's correct. But, again, if you consider what Sacramento would consider the core of Sacramento, the part I discussed moving would be considered the core of Sacramento. The core of Sacramento, I think, would be the numbered streets and the lettered streets which go from, you know, A to Broadway and then the avenues which go out to like 47th Avenue to the south. And the numbered streets go out to like 55th Street out to the east. That's sort of the core of Sacramento. And so this would be cutting out a section of what would be considered the core of Sacramento in order to have a greater CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 93 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 concentration of the Asian population and the AfricanAmerican population. As I said, I think it would be better to keep the core of Sacramento as a unit. We got that letter from the city manager when we talked about moving the med center, which is on, I think, 50th Street or 55th Street, and Sac State, which is also about 55th Street. outside the core they didn't like that. When we had that And so I would be But I inclined to keep the core part of the city together. just wanted to have a discussion about what we heard today, what could be done, to address that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think I'm inclined on a And it Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio then couple of levels to keep the core together. addresses both what we heard this morning - the Elk Grove has not split in any district, it remains whole. Its connection to South Sacramento is split only halfway in the Congressional, up to Florin on the southeast side is still there. And, again, I think we've done a pretty good balancing act of trying to maintain the earlier COI we've heard with the central part of Sacramento and still maintaining Elk Grove as a whole, Vineyard as a whole, and linking that where we can to South Sacramento. But I think overall we have been able to respect the COI testimony we CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 94 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 heard this morning. COMMISSIONER DAI: And I would agree. I think we're basically balancing both the API and African-American communities' testimony about South Sacramento against the City of Sacramento. And I think it's a reasonable balance. Okay, is there any proposal for CHAIR ANCHETA: modification, then, at this point? (No response.) Okay, we're keeping it as is. Commissioner Forbes, are you pretty satisfied with your general description? COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. Yes, it's very much an urban area Do we want to go to the and surrounding communities. Foothills? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Well, I suppose we brought I think the the Foothills in the context of Roseville. Foothills District is a satisfactory district and I think, you know, they maintain - again, it's their community of interest that we heard both in Auburn and I think it was in Merced, they talked about that they have a different interest from the flatlands. The fact that we kept Lake Tahoe together is a real plus and Truckee as well, which is also a plus. whole. We heard that they wanted that to be made And the way the population is distributed the Foothills District interests will be the predominant CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 95 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 interest in that district. trying to achieve. CHAIR ANCHETA: And I think that's what we were Okay. Commissioner Filkins-Webber? Given the volume of COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: testimony that we receive, I think it was from Tuolumne County, if Ms. Clark could address what the potential ramifications were if we were to consider putting a portion. Because what we see here is we did respond to community of interest testimony that was concerned regarding the length of this district. And what we have done is shortened it but the potential ramifications of considering testimony from Tuolumne, you see that it would split that district up and we would have considerable difficulty in trying to put the northern part of the Foothills District with any other area as well as the southern portion. So, Ms. Clark, if you could maybe expand on that a little bit as to that community of interest testimony that we received and what the potential ramifications could be throughout the central region there of California. MS. CLARK: Sure. So moving Tuolumne and/or Calaveras County into Stanislaus or into the same Congressional district as Stanislaus County, which we did hear COI testimony about, would obviously break up this Foothills District. We would have to replace that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 96 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 population potentially by adding Mono and Inyo Counties and part of Tulare County. the Foothill District. COMMISSIONER FORBES: And, again, this is shorter So, in fact, that would lengthen than it was and it does have the same as the north part of the state in the sense that you don't have a lot of people. So it's going to be a large district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner DiGuilio? Yeah, and this is an area COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: that I think Commissioner Aguirre and I, being in that region, have looked at closely. And Tuolumne and Calaveras being linked with Stanislaus County, there are a number of linkages. But I think there are a couple of issues that we were trying to balance, whereas if you just took those counties and linked it with Stanislaus you isolated the southern part and those ripple effects just for population, again, those southern part of the Foothills would have to be linked over into - well, well past, actually, Mono, Inyo and probably into San Bernardino. Of if you put the appendage in with the Foothills - I say appendage, if you had a whole Foothills and then it just reached down into one valley community, Stanislaus, I think that would be problematic in terms of a lot of what we're trying to balance. It's just, again, you can see the linkage and we CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 97 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 really did try and go through those options but the consequences in terms of the rest of the Foothills, it kind of just shattered everything else, particularly since, again, a reminder that the southern part of the San Joaquin Valley is so set with the Section 5 districts down there, there is just really little to no maneuverability. MS. CLARK: Right. And that's to say that there is no option to create a couple of foothill/valley districts because of the Section 5 districts of Merced and Kings Counties. So basically there can't be a couple of east to west districts right here, there's just the one north to south. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Okay, we're going ahead with that one. can swing back to NEBAY, I guess. Commissioner Forbes? Maybe we Okay, any additional comments? Is that still yours, Or are we in a new region? That's North Bay, isn't it? COMMISSIONER FORBES: That's not a Bay Area? CHAIR ANCHETA: Cynthia? Are we now in the Bay Area region? I guess so. Do you have any COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Let me make sure. others, Commissioner Forbes? COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: I don't think so. Okay, so we are moving to the next CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 98 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 region. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Should we go to the Bay Area or, Jamie, do you want to finish with the Central Valley? MS. CLARK: I think that we should finish with the valley and then we can move onto the Bay Area. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. So this visualization, SNJOA, includes the City of Stockton, Lathrop, Lodi to Galt in the 99 corridor and then some of this eastern Contra Costa County. And this community. CHAIR ANCHETA: Whose got this one? Yeah, that's Commissioner COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Aguirre and myself. I think this one is almost a result as much as anything else of moving up from the valley from the bottom, the constraints on both sides with the Section 5's that are in the south part of the San Joaquin Valley and the integrities we just mentioned with the Foothills District. The population comes up with all of Stanislaus So this is, again, County and part of San Joaquin County. the integrity, you have Galt and Lodi that were able to be taken into the San Joaquin County District, which was very favorable. I think the only aspect is the Contra Costa But, as we've seen and we will part of this district. probably go into in order to get that incorporated, there CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is a big shift that has to take place all the way around and you have some barriers that have to be broken in order for that to take place. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? And even though it's probably COMMISSIONER DAI: not Contra Costa's favorite incarnation at least Antioch, Brentwood, Oakley, Discovery Bay and Bethel Island are together. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Okay, I think we're good on that district. want to go south? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: This district was, again, Do we Any additional comments? really a result of the district below it being the Merced Section 5 that was set. So then you had the remainder of Stanislaus County - excuse me, you had Stanislaus County and the remainder of San Joaquin County. And the linkage here was trying to keep the south cities in San Joaquin County, Tracy, Lathrop, Manteca, linked with Stanislaus, both along the 5 and the 99 corridors and still being traditionally agriculture and to some degree commuters into the Bay Area. As I mentioned before, we did look at linking Stanislaus County into the Foothills but the ripple effects of that were not desirable. And I should just also note CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 100 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that in the Senate and the Assembly Merced is linked with Stanislaus County and splits Modesto in both of those in order to meet its benchmarks. So this is the one opportunity for Modesto and Stanislaus to be whole, where before they were kind of at the mercy of Merced. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Okay, we're good. Merced? And maybe if Ms. Clark Any comments? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: wants to talk about this, but this is the Section 5 that I believe we have looked at quite a lot and settled on early on. MS. CLARK: Right. So this visualization is the entire County of Merced and then west Madera County, the flatlands of Madera County along the 99 corridor. There And was a lot of COI testimony advocating for this split. for population and to meet the benchmarks then this south Fresno COI and the City of Fresno. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And this has been pretty stable for the last couple of iterations. MS. CLARK: Yes. And I think the one thing COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: again to note that Ms. Clark mentioned is in the County of Madera we have heard testimony of the differences between the valley and the foothills and also keeping them CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 101 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 together. So we've heard conflicting COI. So in this visualization they are separated, I believe in a later one they are together. MS. CLARK: Yes, in the Assembly they are together. Okay. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, next. Next can we please look at the Kings This visualization hasn't changed It's west Fresno County, Congressional District? since last time you've seen it. the entirety of Kings County, northwest Kern County, including these farming communities in Bakersfield and outside of Bakersfield, south Tulare County and then also the City of Dinuba. CHAIR ANCHETA: Now, I thought we had given direction - and I don't think it was directly to you, but I think it was at the last or one of the later meetings when - because Mr. Brown had indicated to us that the Section 2 basis was not as strong because of inconclusive racially polarized voting. Maybe that wasn't conveyed to you but we So what was the - given the had - guess not, okay. previous iteration, which had it, I think, at around 49 percent, the Latino CVAP - MS. CLARK: percent Latino CVAP. CHAIR ANCHETA: Now, was that an easy exchange with The previous iteration had 49.72 CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 102 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the adjacent district? MS. CLARK: Yes. The exchange is for this Kings County District picked up the City of Dinuba in exchange for some communities here in southwest Tulare County along the 99 corridor and also for Kingsburg, which is the city here along the 99 corridor, it's in Fresno County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Now, I believe the consensus last time was to revert that iteration and that's basically the switch you just described, which is the Fresno District was not changed much either from the - this is a fairly simple - MS. CLARK: The exchanges between - - exchange. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: District. CHAIR ANCHETA: - this FRSNO District and the Kings Yeah, okay. Commissioner Barabba? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: If I heard you correctly, we are no longer required to be above 50 percent CVAP, is that correct? CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. I think Mr. Brown stated that the statistical evidence was not basically firm enough to say that it had to be a Section 2. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: If that's the case then it looks like we might be able to clear up that little Dinuba area there and trade it off in other areas. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 103 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. And I think we basically concluded - I guess the communication wasn't there but I think the direction would be to do that and basically just limit it to that exchange that you just described. MS. CLARK: Sure. That shouldn't cause any problems CHAIR ANCHETA: with the other adjacent districts? MS. CLARK: the same. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner Filkins-Webber? You are cleaning up No the rest of the boundaries will stay COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: the Kings District at the Dinuba? MS. CLARK: Yes. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: make sure I had that clear. MS. CLARK: Okay, I just want to Thank you. Can I repeat the direction back? Sure. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: That is to return Dinuba to the FRSNO District and to pick up the population from Kingsburg and also communities in southwest Tulare County along the 99 corridor. CHAIR ANCHETA: That's correct. And, again, to the extent that reflected the previous iteration that should be just fine. MS. CLARK: Yes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 104 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. We're okay on that. I had just one COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: question. If anybody has the reference on - I was looking Is it on the on the website for that first iteration. website? The one that you are asking Q2 to go back to. CHAIR ANCHETA: Would that have been the first draft map? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: draft map? MS. CLARK: I have that but I will have to - it's If I open a new plan I can - No, I'm not asking Was it the first not loaded into this plan. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: that we waste your time. I just wanted some direction if it was in the first draft or if it was a visualization post the first draft maps, that I could look at it real quick. MS. CLARK: It is the first draft. Thank you. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: And, Commissioner Filkins-Webber, if you want to take a look at it we can come back to it. It's not a complicated exchange at this point. just go ahead then. MS. CLARK: Where are we now? If we move on to FRSNO, that's the So let's district that this Dinuba-Kingsburg exchange was just discussed. CHAIR ANCHETA: So, Commissioner DiGuilio, anything CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 105 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to add, or Aguirre? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think basically this was a result of the kind of geographic boundaries that we had in conjunction with the two Section 5 districts. So what we did was try to keep the integrity of those valley-based metropolitan areas together and that's what drew this district right here, FRSNO. MS. CLARK: In previous iterations for Congressional districts, Fresno had been split into five different Congressional districts and so there also was an exchange for this community, Squaw Valley, which previously had been in the Tulare District, for population. there was an exchange there. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And you recall from the And then public testimony they just asked to be down from five Congressional to four. I think those from the county And I think we were able to recognize what was happening. accommodate the reduction from five Congressional districts down to four. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, anything else. Sorry. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Go ahead. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: I don't want there to be minutia but if we put Dinuba back into Fresno and we are cleaning this up - because I'm looking back at the draft CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 106 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 map and I'm a little concerned whether - there wouldn't be any impact on splitting Fresno again, would there? MS. CLARK: No. Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? I would just point out when COMMISSIONER BLANCO: you look at the - because, you know, we were only able to reduce it from five to four splits. But when you look at Fresno County as a county - I don't know if you can do the outlines here - it's a very, very big county that goes from really the tip of Mono all the way over to Monterey. So it's a huge county that goes all the way from the foothills across the valley. So, given the fact that it's that size and that we've got the Section 5 districts I think people have to realize that that county is a difficult county to try and reduce the splits in. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Section 5 counties in Fresno. CHAIR ANCHETA: reflected in the report. COMMISSIONER YAO: There are actually two So it is difficult. And that will certainly be Next. Question: How many times is the City of Fresno split in the Congressional district? MS. CLARK: It is in two Congressional districts. Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Next district, Ms. Clark. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 107 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: The next district is this KR district. Yeah, and I think at this COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: point it was again, once we had done the metropolitan area of Fresno, Visalia, Tulare, and dealing with the Kings curl this was kind of the area that was left in the Central Valley not crossing over into LA County or San Luis Obispo, San Bernardino, this is the metropolitan area of Bakersfield and then a little bit the southern portion of the foothills with Tulare. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? And also we did have to go into COMMISSIONER DAI: Lancaster? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm sorry, yes, we did. And we did try and pull the line up as much as possible. But, again, with Congressional and deviation being so low we were forced to go into the high desert there. correct. You are And that was something Ms. Clark had worked very hard to try and adjust, even with Mono and Inyo as possibilities. But there was just too large of a population to maneuver that through. CHAIR ANCHETA: district? Any additional comments on this Commissioner Blanco? Yes, just to point out that COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Ridgecrest is here. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 108 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yes. But not just Ridgecrest but So it was kept that whole area below it to the China Base. all together. I don't know that we really considered it, but I know that that was - like I say, it wasn't just a city but there is a whole region there with military national security interests that we've tried to keep in that district. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And did you mention Edwards Air Force Base, too, with that, I believe? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, next. Can we move on to SLOSB, please? Okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: There is a hard line here between Monterey and San Luis Obispo County as Monterey is a Section 5 county. There is also a hard line between San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Ventura and Ventura County and Kern County. There was a lot of COI testimony also about the existing districts and not wanting to move east from these more coastal counties. This visualization shows San The only Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties whole. city split is in Ventura and that was per CRC direction. The split just moves along the coast in the City of Ventura. And then the shape here in northern Ventura is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 109 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sort of based on the Ojai Unified School District line. There had been COI testimony that the upper Ojai Valley belonged with Ojai and the rest of the Ojai Valley. CHAIR ANCHETA: area? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: Yes. Essentially, as has Commissioner Aguirre, this is your just been pointed, we started out from the north with the county line and we just tried to capture rolling down the coast with the ocean on the left side and the Coastal Range on the right-hand side. is along 101. unpopulated. Most of the population, of course, The rest of it on the east side is generally Going on into Santa Barbara there was concern And in order to capture that we about the area of Ojai. decided to go along the coast into the City of Ventura capturing kind of like the tourist beach area of the City of Ventura, going down toward - I think we stopped on, was it the Santa Clara river or Spinnaker Drive? along there. MS. CLARK: I just moved down into Ventura and then Somewhere just for population reasons stayed out here. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: Yes. So, of course, it recognizes the tourist connection between the five cities area in northern San Luis Obispo then down into Santa Barbara, which is heavily tourist, and then down into the tourist area around the City of Ventura. And it also CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 110 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 recognizes that there is significant agriculture in the Santa Barbara area and into the Santa Maria area, with some viticulture up into the area of San Luis Obispo. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio? I think this is a very good COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: district as well. And I think the one thing I would be curious to get feedback on in terms of from the City of Ventura is, I think we have done a very good job of keeping Ojai and the upper Ojai Valley with the City of Ventura but the trade-off was to go along the coast. And the reasoning for that was that this is a Congressional district and the majority of the rest of the district is a coastal one and the idea was to go into the City of Ventura along the coast. I think there is some play in there whether how far in the city wants it to go in terms of - I think it goes up to Main Street. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yes. But this is just an area where it gives the city an opportunity to comment on this, where they believe that line should to. There is a population that needs to be picked up and this was the call that we made. And if there is something that they would like to change with that, that's where we would hear from them. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, any additional comments? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 111 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commissioner Blanco? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: We should probably include in the narrative the East Ventura decisions we made in this district. CHAIR ANCHETA: else? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: All right, moving on into So, Commissioner Aguirre, anything the EVENT Congressional District, essentially, you know, after working on the SLOSB District we moved into the area and we thought it was captured very well by the fact that there are ten cities in this area. the team, so to speak. They can't all be on So there is one area that needs to be out and that happens to be based on COI testimony, not only from Simi Valley but from Santa Clarita and also from the Thousand Oaks area that it seemed like Santa Clarita and Simi Valley had more of a COI between the two. So previously the area was in other iterations significantly different, where Thousand Oaks was split as well as Oxnard. So in trying to work on those, trying to keep the agricultural COI of the Santa Clara Valley and the Oxnard area and all of the area around Camarillo, in fact, then this is the iteration that seemed to make the most sense. CHAIR ANCHETA: district? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: One additional comment Okay, other comments on this CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 112 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 related to the east county is that we heard significant testimony about keeping the east county together, that being the Casa Conejo, Thousand Oaks, Moorpark, Simi Valley and Camarillo area together, which we've managed to do except for the area of Simi Valley. CHAIR ANCHETA: comment? COMMISSIONER DAI: Just to say that we were also Commissioner Dai, did you have a able to keep the Santa Paula and Fillmore-Piru area together. It's highly agricultural. Okay. Commissioner Blanco? Yeah, the alternatives CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: proposed to us by some of the residents of east Ventura County that would have kept all those cities - Simi, Moorpark, Thousand Oaks, Casa Conejo - together all split, put big portions of Ventura with Santa Barbara and had more city splits. So I think we've minimized the splits of the county and the cities and the communities of interest together here as much as possible. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? Yes, and I think one of the COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: other proposals we saw - forgive me for not remembering - the other option is if you include Simi Valley with the rest of their east Ventura County partners is to go up the coast and split Oxnard and Port Hueneme and bring that down CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 113 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 into the LA area. And, again, this is just the balancing act of, you know, what's going to work best for not just one city or one county but the region as it ripples out. So this was, I think, that which did the least harm. Simi Valley is a great tenth player but it's a tenth player in this particular baseball team out of nine. CHAIR ANCHETA: And just for members of the public, we are only covering Northern California, though obviously we are in Southern California right now. But, given the division of labor among our mappers, this is sort of the southernmost area we are going to cover today and then we will start taking the adjacent districts in later sessions. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I would venture to guess that Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo don't consider themselves Southern California, they consider themselves south-central coast. CHAIR ANCHETA: That's a big distinction. Yeah, and we supplied a north and south, and obviously there is a - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Southern Central Coast. Everything north of LA. Not to insult anyone, of course. But we just made a very crude division of the state between north and south. So Monterey? Ms. Clark, are you done with your districts at this point? MS. CLARK: Yes. Thank you. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 114 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: are at ten to twelve. Okay, let me do a time check. We COMMISSIONER YAO: associated with that? CHAIR ANCHETA: May I raise one more question Sure. The southern edge of the Ventura COMMISSIONER YAO: County where it dips into Los Angeles County, that's because of the Thousand Oaks - that little - MS. CLARK: This is Westlake Village. Westlake Village, yes. And that city straddles COMMISSIONER YAO: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: both counties. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: straddler. Okay. Yeah, an unusual configuration, a Okay, let me do a time check because we are at We will have to swap out the mappers to go Did you want to add something, ten to twelve. to the Bay Area districts. Jamie? MS. CLARK: Yes, Tamina and I can switch but we can both use - we don't need to switch machines. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. We can keep going. Also we are going to take a lunch break. We could take an early lunch break and just sort of reconvene at a quarter to one. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Congressional? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 115 Can we finish 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 moving. CHAIR ANCHETA: to get a sense. We can keep going. I just wanted Okay, why don't we just keep going then. I would like to keep COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. ALON: Okay, here we are in the Bay Area. And let me just repeat to you the instruction that I got last time I was here. I was directed to revert back to the first draft map, keep the Golden Gate Bridge as a hard line and then incorporate the newer Monterey visualization which meets the benchmark. And then work on some street level details in Richmond and in San Jose. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Now, is the NEBAY yours as well? This is kind of half NEBAY is up here. mine and half Jamie's. CHAIR ANCHETA: terms of discussion. MS. ALON: But you already talked about it. Yes, I don't want to orphan it in Maybe we can just start there. We did keep Napa County whole, We also Sure. including American Canyon, in this visualization. put the urban area of Santa Rosa and Rohnert Park, matched it with the urban area in Napa as well. And then went south for population, Benicia-Martinez corridor there with the Benicia-Martinez Bridge. Carquinez Bridge. And then similarly across the And just a reminder per our previous discussion, we erred on the side of keeping Lake County whole but that required that to be put in the Yolo District CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 116 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and the trade-off if we were to have taken Lake into Napa would have required a split either of Vallejo or Benicia, as I recall. So we erred on the side of trying to keep the cities whole and the county whole. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? So because we had this COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: discussion this morning and we saw that we could to some degree keep Fairfield into Solana and there would an integrity there and we might be able to go down a little ways in trying to incorporate Lake, but that would have to become a decision from Lake in terms of having itself split. So that would be something for them to make that decision and that's something that might be able to be accommodated in the last live line drawing because it would be a pretty equal population shift if that's what they wanted. But that would have to be a decision. Again, I know there were individuals this morning that wanted to keep it whole with Napa but that's not possible. next best option would be - COMMISSIONER DAI: Split with Napa. - split with Napa. And So the COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: they can make the call for us. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy and then Commissioner Barabba. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: In looking at the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 117 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 101 corridor, this is a significant improvement. I think last time we looked at options we were considering one that effectively broke the 101 corridor into three separate segments. And so what we've done in this visualization is there is a split but it's fairly balanced in terms of population on either side of the 101 split, if you look just at these southernmost counties, and keeps Santa Rosa and Rohnert Park together, which are two very close-knit communities. CHAIR ANCHETA: passing. Okay, Commissioner Barabba is Any other comments? (No response.) Okay, no proposals at this point. So let's move south then. So is it Commissioner Dai and Commissioner Galambos-Malloy then? COMMISSIONER DAI: You want to go, Connie? Sure, I can walk us COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: through. As everyone knows, we have very strong COI testimony from the communities essentially east of the hills. So when you look at the 680 corridor on the north- south axis all of these communities from essentially San Ramon going north have a very strong community of interest there. This district does an excellent job of preserving When we look at some of the areas where those communities. this district had to make some trade-offs, one of them that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 118 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I note particularly is having to split off Pittsburg and Antioch, which are significant-sized cities. Of course, any other changes we think about in this area could impact the way that is split. But my understanding is that they are both whole in this configuration? MS. ALON: No. No? Can you clarify COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: which city is split and by how much? MS. ALON: by 30,000 people. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Pittsburg is whole and Antioch is split Okay, so Antioch is split and then if we go up into the northwest corner my understanding as well is that Richmond is split. MS. ALON: Yes, that's right. So I actually have COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: some significant feedback as we get farther south into Alameda County, which could impact how we're thinking about this district. But I think the ongoing concerns that we've had are around some of the splits, particularly with Antioch and Richmond being similar in size and being smaller cities and we are looking at splitting both of them. I think we have even as of this morning some COI testimony regarding where we have chosen to split Richmond and there may need to be some - if we do move forward with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 119 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 considering a Richmond split we may need to adjust exactly where that split is occurring. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Blanco? Yes, I am still having We've got those cities COMMISSIONER BLANCO: problems with this whole area. which are sort of the - I don't know what you would call them, you know, all that Benicia, outer delta area that we've got them in so many different - we've got Hercules and Martinez in one and then Bay Point-Pittsburg in another and half of Antioch and Richmond split. I think maybe because, you know, I'm originally from this area, I think so much of that corridor that goes along the 4 and picks up all those towns is so connected. You know, Martinez, Bay Point, Pittsburg, Antioch. And here we've got them completely split up in so many different districts. then on top of that Richmond split. And I don't know, I am really not sure what's driving it but it feels - and it's unfortunate because we don't really have a lot of testimony talking about this as a region. But when you know this area that corridor on the 4 that goes along the water or whatever, where the BART runs, you know that's the BART line, just I'm troubled by this splitting up of this entire area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Galambos-Malloy then maybe Q2 can elaborate a bit more. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 120 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I would have to I have really agree with Commissioner Blanco's feedback. spent a lot of time reviewing what we've proposed for this area. And as I look at, you know, my areas of concern for I think the region it is really focused on the East Bay. what we've done well is that we've kept that 680 corridor together and I think there has been a number of other things that we could do a lot better on. And I think that, you know, the decision to revert back to our first draft maps has a number of consequences. So, you know, I would like to as we start moving - I don't know, at this point I don't actually think it's super useful to give a lot of direction on this district without having taken a look at the district south so that we can think of them in a regional context. But if other commissioners do have feedback just for this one district we could entertain that. CHAIR ANCHETA: again, I will go to Q2. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I would like to see. Commissioner DiGuilio and then, Because I think there's things happening in the southern part around this district and the northern and I do see that it would be nice to reunite those communities along the 4. But I see part of the issue is in order to do that you will have to take from the Napa to start off with. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 121 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. ALON: Right. And then that's going to I mean, COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: push population up through Solano, Sacramento. that push is going to have to go one way and then to fix the problems in the south with population. I mean, this is - it starts there and I see you could fix some problems but then the repercussions up into Napa, I'm assuming, are going to have to go east. Because we can't really go west So because then you have to jump over the bridge, right? your push is going to have to be Napa, Solano, San Joaquin and then, because of Section 5 - yeah, I would just like to hear what our mappers have to say about some of this as we move forward. MS. ALON: So this district, as you can see, is interesting because it's the intersection of one, two, three, four, five, six districts which the Commission has given direction about. And so as the direction has evolved over time this district ends up being the one that gets changed whenever something from the north ripples down or something from the east ripples over. really just a product. And so this is What this district started out as was really not crossing this area, keeping this part intact and coming over here. But then as all of the decisions were made for north of this area, north of this region, this is what eventually ended up happening. So, I guess, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 122 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 depending on what your decisions would be up north, that would change this. CHAIR ANCHETA: Malloy? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, I recognize But Okay. Commissioner Galambos- that I have always been in the minority on this issue. this concept of crossing or not crossing the bridge, I suggest that we may revisit that as a result of looking at the East Bay. Because I think the consequences of what we're seeing in the East Bay are really drastic. So I am still open. I know we have a lot of strong COI testimony not to cross the bridge, a much smaller amount of COI testimony that says we might be able to cross the bridge. We have managed not to cross the bridge in our other districts and I think this is one of the areas we may need to consider some sort of compromise if that's one of the options that helps us address some of the East Bay issues. MS. ALON: Last week I presented a visualization Did you want to see that one which did cross the bridge. again? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: handy, yes. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: just to remind us. If you have it If you have it handy, Or we can look it up on the web, I was CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 123 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 about ready to do that. MS. MACDONALD: quickly. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I'm wondering, I We will switch plans really mean, would it be helpful to go through the other two adjacent districts and acknowledge the issues that we're seeing? There may be the possibility that that visualization addresses all those issues or it may be some other hybrid. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: mappers? Can I ask a question of our Did we end up with this Was this also impacted? fragmentation also because of the American Canyon or is that unrelated? MS. CLARK: I believe that that was unrelated. Okay. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: (Pause as mappers change views on screen.) CHAIR ANCHETA: Ms. MacDonald? MS. MACDONALD: just a second. (Further pause.) Perhaps a five minute break. CHAIR ANCHETA: minute break. MS. MACDONALD: As soon as you call the break we Okay, why don't we just do a five We're just looking for the file, so Do you want to do a quick break, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 124 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will find it. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, we will take a short break. We will still be breaking for lunch probably in about a half an hour or so. (Five minute break at 12:05 p.m.) Okay, we are back from break. want to continue. MS. ALON: Sure. So this is a visualization which And this has a slightly So, Ms. Alon, if you was introduced last week. different configuration for the COCO District in which we have this area not being split into three but into two. And so I was asked to revert back to this one just to take a look at it for notes and see if it solves any problems further down in the Alameda area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Any commentary regarding - you know, we did see this last week and the general instruction was not to go with this. But, again, there are some fixes on a couple of areas but there are also changes in others. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And, Ms. Alon, if you could remind us on the first draft map, how the first draft map differs from what we're seeing right now? MS. ALON: Sure. In this area that we're discussing the first draft map has Richmond split and coming down into this so-named Richmond District and then the other half of Richmond going east into the COCO CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 125 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 District and then this Martinez-Crockett-Hercules area going north into Solano. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: So even though we provided direction to Q2, the visualizations that we are looking at today, the most recent version, I feel very uncomfortable with for a number of reasons in the East Bay. And as we get farther south into the districts I think the repercussions as we look further south at the Tri-City area is significant. I think there are different options on how We have That's we could release some of the population pressure. all referred to the idea of crossing the bridge. one possibility. I think another possibility might be looking at the LaMOrinda area. We have had significant testimony not to cross the hills. We've also had some more modest testimony that there is a connection between those hill communities and the western part of the bay. And I think we have - you know, we're recognizing trade-offs in different places and if we have kept them all together in other maps we may need to look at breaking that. You know, if you get to the root of what some of my issues are here in the East Bay, I think when you look at this area, kind of Richmond north, when you're looking at Vallejo, Benicia, Pittsburg, you're looking at an area that's, you know, socioeconomically very modest, many of those cities. And because of where they CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 126 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are located some of the visualizations we've been looking at split them as many as five different ways, which makes it very challenging for effective political representation, especially when you're talking at the Congressional level. Then as you go farther south in the East Bay the way I think we have acknowledged as a Commission that we were not able to keep the Tri-Cities whole was to say, Well, we were able to do it at the senatorial level. But I think it's been very clear from the part of the Tri-City area that not all representation is created equally. And when you're looking at the unique economic interests of this part of the Bay Area and the manufacturing base and what it will take to retool the economy in that part of the area, those are Congressional issues. And so to say, Well, we kept you together at the senatorial level, I just don't think that cuts it. When you combine that with the fact that it is one of the most densely populated and diverse Asian areas in the Bay Area and in the state, now we've heard about the Latino and African-American populations when you combine the Tri-Cities with Hayward, I think that the visualization we started with today is very problematic for a number of reasons. So, you know, clearly this is close to home, it's not home, but it's close to home. So I would be interested But I would to hear what other commissioners have to say. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 127 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 definitely not feel comfortable with where the visualization that we started this conversation with. CHAIR ANCHETA: to chime in here? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: same concerns. I mean, I share a lot of the Commissioner Blanco, did you want I mean, you talk about the cities of Richmond, Hercules, Pinole, Martinez, Bay Point, Pittsburg - first of all, this is one of heart of the mortgage crisis. income. income. I mean, these are not - they used to be middle-low Now many of them have really become extremely low It's an area with a lot of issues. And not only are they now separated into five Congressional districts but they are in districts that may not understand some of their issues. So I feel like this area is getting the brunt, as somebody said, of being sort of the convergence where everybody else is - we're doing great things for everybody all around and then in here it gets completely - it's like leftover thinking about the importance of this community's need for representation. So I feel the say way about the Tri-City issue, that we've made a lot of - we are accommodating a lot of people and then basically the East Bay, the working class poor neighborhoods of the East Bay basically have not received a lot of attention in terms of what would districts look like that should represent their needs. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 128 So 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I'm very concerned about this. give this map a thumbs up. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: looking at now? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: As it is now I could not This one that you're No, the previous one. This one, you know, has that issue of the Bay Bridge. When you look - which I'm not saying that's a minimal or I don't want to minimize the concern. But when you look at all the other things that flow from that where you have the TriCities kept together, LaMOrinda kept together, you have Richmond whole, you have Oakland - is Oakland split in this one? MS. ALON: Oakland is whole. Oakland is whole. And then COMMISSIONER BLANCO: you have the corridor, San Pablo, Richmond, Hercules, Crockett, Benicia, cities that have a lot of similarities. And you do still continue to have Antioch and Oakley, but they are with Brentwood and Bethel and Discovery Bay. If you were looking at the - if your center of the universe was not the Golden Gate Bridge and that divide, if the center of your universe was that you were an East Bay person this would be a perfect map. COMMISSIONER DAI: Except I would point out that But is the Eden area was split, so it wouldn't be perfect. might be fixable. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 129 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio? I just have some concerns. Because there is a lot COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I would like to explore this more. of - I see that there are benefits in the East Bay but to me it still raises some issues that we had a long discussion about last week, which was the whole RichmondSan Pablo area going with Solano. I'm not wedded to the If that I just Bay Bridge - I mean, crossing the Golden Gate. solves something I have no problem crossing it. feel like at this point I thought we had gone through the exercise - COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Napa for Richmond, not Solano. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I think what we have to No, the concern was Yuba and look at is, we've made some decisions about these other districts and the Marin being tied to Sonoma and, you know, we've made a lot of decisions already in this Solano, Napa, Marin, Sonoma. And if we change what's happening down here - not to say that we can't because I don't want that to be the driver, but there are other implications in the northern part of the state that we have to look at, it's not just trying to fix the Bay Area east or west, it's the repercussions up the coast as well. And I also want to get someone's opinion on what happens in the south, too, in San Jose and northern - I CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 130 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 think northern Santa Cruz is taken care of. just kind of curious about exploring it. things in isolation. But so I'm We're looking at But, as I recall, we did look at the bigger picture last week. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Forbes? I think part of the problem I COMMISSIONER FORBES: have with dealing with this going north is that there are so few options going north, there just aren't the people to move around. And so to try and correct this to the north, just really, I think, disrupts a whole bunch of districts; I mean, five or six districts that really don't have any choices in how they are set up. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Actually, can we back up so we can see what it does to the north? MS. ALON: This northern area is not - don't look at the districts for this northern area because you have given new direction since then for these. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: If we went to a more southerly part of it, it would cause us to go back up and look at something like this, is that correct? MS. ALON: I'm sorry? Oh, yes. And if we go up into Marin, COMMISSIONER FORBES: you know, that swings everything around across the north part of the state. MS. ALON: I just don't think you can do that. One thing I would point out, there was CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 131 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 discussion last time about switching San Ramon and these areas over here for San Leandro in order to keep Eden together and to keep this corridor together. If you do And that, that's about an 85,000 person population shift. so you could come back and take in some of Richmond over here. Now, it would split it and it wouldn't solve the whole problem but it might be a starting point. CHAIR ANCHETA: Dai? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, just to recap some of the Additional comments? Commissioner discussion and the reason why we ended up going back to the first draft. So in addition to the Golden Gate split, which was not so much about the bridge as trying to separate urban San Francisco from a more suburban and rural area in Marin, moving south I think that the concern - let's see, there was - the first draft was the only incarnation that kept both the west valley cities together as well as the Eden area. And perhaps Commissioners Ancheta and Barabba can comment further on the implications in San Jose, but it does split the Milberry (ph) COI as well. And I may have had some additional impacts on some of the other smaller communities of interest within San Jose. Ms. Alon might be able to - CHAIR ANCHETA: Can you confirm that in terms of the southern ripple, or the southern differences? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 132 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. ALON: Well, in this map we actually do have - so the Freemont-Milberry COI is not together but we have significant areas of Milpitas and Berryessa together and areas which wish to be with them. area with the downtown. And then the Alum Rock And then Evergreen and Little This map also Saigon are in this district together. preserves the Golden Triangle, which is kind of this area over here, which is a high tech area COI. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And to loop back to San Leandro, my perspective on San Leandro is that the top priority should be keeping San Leandro whole if we can do that. I think there would be flexibility as to whether San Leandro at the Congressional level is paired with Oakland or whether it's paired with the Eden area, I think it's important in one of our districts at least to include the Eden area whole. I don't think there is as compelling a case as to why that needs to happen at the Congressional level as opposed to another level of districts versus when we look at an area like the Tri-City area where we have a really clear and compelling reason as to why Congressional representation makes sense for that area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Any commissioners want to speak in I'm not sure there is a favor of one versus the other? third option here that might be explored. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Can I still see - I mean, I CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 133 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 know Ms. Alon said don't look at the north. look at the north. But we have to Yeah, So I want to see what happens. what does this version do to the north? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: My question is whether this version actually works out the entire north such that the northern areas we're looking at combine appropriately with this version? Because oftentimes we will look at a visualization that is one option but the rest of the map doesn't flow correctly as far as population numbers, et cetera. So, Ms. Alon or Ms. Clark, if that's been worked out in this visualization that would be helpful to address Commissioner DiGuilio's question and mine. MS. CLARK: Okay, so these visualizations for Northern California are pretty similar to the visualizations that we just went over today to some extent. Again, the difference here is that the City of Santa Rosa is included with the North Coast District and that's a result of this population in south Marin being included with San Francisco. So we lost population here for the North Coast District in southern Marin County and therefore could include a majority of the City of Santa Rosa. This Richmond area is included with Napa County as is Rohnert Park, which is in Sonoma County. along Fairfield is similar population-wise. The split here Solano County is split as is Sacramento County, this delta area of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 134 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Sacramento County is included; West Sacramento is split from Yolo County; Yuba, Sutter, Colusa and Lake are whole; Glenn is split at a very similar split to the previous visualization; and this MTCAP District, Siskiyou is whole; and Lake Tahoe is also whole, it is included in the MTCAP District, as opposed to the Foothills District. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So in the other one Lake Tahoe went with the Foothills District with its home counties? COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. CLARK: Exactly. Yes, but that could be altered for this if we picked up - if the split here in Placer County was similar to the previous visualization then I believe that the Lake Tahoe basin, including Truckee, which is approximately 60,000 people, could go with the Foothills District and the exchange would be that Placer County would be split along the 80, north Auburn would be in MTCAP District, the City of Auburn would be in the Foothills District and then somewhere along here there would also be a split. However, I don't know for sure that there would be a city split created by that move. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? So the objection to this COMMISSIONER DAI: visualization a few days ago was that Richmond was going with Napa. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 135 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 116,000. MS. CLARK: Yes. So maybe people have changed COMMISSIONER DAI: their minds. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Now I would like to see who I continue to be concerned else is in there with Richmond. about two such diverse communities being put together where you have everything we've heard from Napa from day one is, Our focus is on agriculture and on our wine industry. then you have, you know, Pinole, Hercules, Rodeo and Richmond very poor urban areas, struggling to even just get jobs and foreclosures. And I don't know who is going to And pay attention to them politically in Napa at a Congressional level, it does concern me. I mean, you know, I was talking offline right now with Commissioner Galambos-Malloy and we were saying, Well, maybe if there is a large group of them, you know, in Napa and not just Richmond but other cities maybe that helps. And, you know, so I'm trying to see who is in there that could - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Vallejo is in at about You know, but part of this goes to, again, your point, Commissioner Blanco, that even if there is a significant group with Richmond what does the significant group of Richmond have in common with the significant group of Napa? I mean, those are two very different - even if CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 136 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it's kind of evenly split, so to speak. doesn't happen in other areas. Not that that So I'm just pointing that out, that this would be a situation where you'd have very different communities being linked together regardless of one dominating or them equally being split. COMMISSIONER FORBES: So crossing the bridge doesn't resolve the issue for Richmond then, really. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: It solves a lot of the other issues, it keeps them whole and keeps them with other - it keeps them with some other very similar cities, Vallejo, Martinez, Hercules. MS. CLARK: Where is San Pablo in there? San Pablo is with Richmond. Yes, so those are all - And El Cerrito. Is El COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Cerrito in that cluster moving north? MS. CLARK: El Cerrito is with Richmond. Yeah, so that really is, that COMMISSIONER BLANCO: southern area there is one very similar community. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: We did get significant testimony about keeping Richmond, San Pablo and El Cerrito together. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. Commissioner DiGuilio? I'm sorry, Chair. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Our reporter might be having a problem seeing who is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 137 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 speaking so maybe if you can queue up the speakers to help the reporter. THE REPORTER: Yes, thank you. It is hard to see who is speaking at times, microphones are in front of mouths from my view and hands are also in front of mouths. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so go ahead. Commissioner DiGuilio is speaking right now. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So I think it kind of goes back to, we started the discussion with the other visualization, the original one. There was a problem with And you still have the 4 corridor going between districts. that issue here. I think there are some things we need to - in order to move this process forward I think we need to kind of have a starting point. Because we are kind of all over the map about, Well, it would be nice to have this and it would be nice to have that. time to make some decisions. But, you know, this is the So in this case you still have a number of districts for Contra Costa and we have to kind of decide what's the least harm for that area and the other areas. So I just don't see how we're going to get out of having some problems with the 4 corridor, if I'm not mistaken. In either visualization it's going to be a problem, is that correct? MS. CLARK: Yes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 138 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So if we look at that as one of those things that we just are not going to be able to correct then let's look at moving onto the next issue. And what I still have some issues with is Richmond being linked with Napa and I still think that the - again, not that crossing the Golden Gate isn't a problem but we've heard significant testimony from Marin and Sonoma not to cross the Golden Gate because of COI as well as we've heard a lot of significant testimony from the Tri-Cities to keep themselves together. So, again, this is not that one has more and one has less, it's definitely not about how many people have said what, believe me. We've read them all and it's not about who has more, it's about what works best for the area as a whole. discussion. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Yao then So I would kind of like to get into that Commissioner Barabba then Commissioner Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER YAO: You know, I think this discussion is taking the form of trying to keep Contra Costa County whole. And basically if you take a look at the geography of Contra Costa or where people live you have a pocket of communities that include Pittsburg, Antioch, Bay Point, that are toward the northeast. And then you have the central part, which is the Martinez, Lafayette, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 139 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Walnut Creek and so on, going along the highway. And then you have a separate pocket of people that would include Richmond and so on. So by making the objective of trying to keep these three communities together and trying to make that a high priority, basically it would just totally destroy or overwhelm all the other priorities within the whole Bay Area going up and down, including the Bay Bridge. So maybe the question I want to pose to the Commission is: How important is this priority in the Certainly overall scope of what we are attempting to do? it is a clear objective, we try to keep the county together as much as possible. But I think the expense of impacting five or six different districts the way we have constructed these is probably almost next to impossible at this stage of the game. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so Commissioners Barabba, Galambos-Malloy and then Blanco and then Dai. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: I can appreciate the concern over different income levels but to address that issue we're going to take two relatively rural counties, Napa and Marin, and tie them into very densely populated counties. And how representation is going to be handled there, I think, is really problematical. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? I definitely hear COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 140 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the concerns that are coming. I think the reality is the visualization we started this conversation with does not result in effective representation at the Congressional level for the East Bay. And the idea that because we have certain things locked in on the north side and therefore we're just going to kind of work with the leftovers in the central area, I think, is challenging. I think we've dealt with some of these same tensions in Los Angeles, where we had started at the coast and then we got to the center of LA and realized we were hemmed in and it wasn't working. And then we reversed course and kind of did the opposite. And I think the answer really lies somewhere in between. My perspective on, again, what we could shift in this is that priority-wise - I know we're not going to keep the 4 corridor all together. In fact, we have had COI testimony talking about Solano County and Napa County as really being, you know, fairly diverse counties that have different sub-regions within them. I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with Richmond being split, split within itself and being split with its neighbor cities, all of which are fairly small and which we should be able to keep together. I likewise have concerns that we are not keeping the TriCity area together and I think that there are ways to do that. And if it means that we have to look at east county and we have to look at the bridge I think, again, these are CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 141 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 parts of the region that have been preserved in other layers of the maps. And so I am willing to look at trade-offs and, you know, renegotiate portions of the northern state if we need to. And, you know, I regret that we had to start at the north and I sense frustration on the part of my fellow commissioners of saying, We need to make decision, we need to move on, we have already locked in the northern state. But I don't think that our goal was to do that at the expense of the Bay Area. CHAIR ANCHETA: DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yes, I just want to correct - Okay, so it's Blanco, Dai then there seems to be a misunderstanding that this is about trying to keep Contra Costa County together. not the issue at all. For me that's I mean, Contra Costa is a huge I mean, you know, county, it has a lot of variety. Richmond is in Contra Costa. stuff all the way to the east. point. And then you have, you know, That was not at all my I was referring to a collection of cities in an area that is actually in Contra Costa that have a need for similar representation and that's what we split into five Congressional districts, that area up at the top that sort of rings northern Contra Costa and goes west to Richmond. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 142 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Those are very similar cities and they are in five different Congressional districts in what we were looking at for today. Like Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, I think there are differences along the 4, I don't think we have to keep them all together and I think, you know, we've had testimony to that effect. keep them all together. People get that, that you can't So I want to clarify, this is not about Contra Costa all together. And I just would concur with much of what Commissioner Galambos-Malloy said, that this is - I know this is frustrating but this part of the state needs as much thought given to it of trying to keep communities of interest together as we've given, you know, places throughout the rest of the state, where we've spent hours discussing, you know, Simi and Moorpark and Santa Clarita and, you know, Calabasas and Agoura. And this is an area that's complex and we need to not just say, Well, everything else is set so we can't think about this. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I'm going to let Ms. Clark speak and then we will have Commissioner Dai, Commissioner DiGuilio and Commissioner Ontai. MS. CLARK: I can speak to sort of what would happen in Northern California if we went with this visualization and moved Richmond and Hercules, this area, in with the district that Pittsburg is currently in. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 143 Would 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you like to hear? (Affirmative response from Commission.) Okay. Last time when we went over this - just referencing the notes - this area is approximately 200,000 people. So what would happen if we moved 200,000 people into the COCO District is that - assuming that because the Commission likes the way that the rest of the Bay Area looks with this visualization, if we weren't going to touch the districts south of that - so if 200,000 people moved into COCO then this line between the San Joaquin-based district and COCO would be that Antioch would become whole, Pittsburg and Bay Point would also move, right? line would move west this way. So the And Concord would be split, It could potentially I believe Concord would be split. remain whole. Then this district, SNJOA, would be overpopulated by 200,000 people. So that population could either be removed by moving south here and splitting the City of Stockton or by having that population picked up from the Solano-Yolo District. district. So 200,000 more people into this And then if we were sort of moving in a circle then Lake, the remainder of Glenn, Colusa County and either part of Yolo or perhaps the City of Fairfield and Vacaville would move in with this Napa District. That's if we also were not to split Napa County, which I believe would be CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 144 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 unnecessary. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? So I'm not going to respond to COMMISSIONER DAI: that right away. I was going to suggest something less drastic, which was potentially looking at the LaMOrinda area and trying to make the changes, you know, basically within the East Bay here to reduce the ripple effects out. Yeah, so my question is: If we reverted back to the previous draft, the first draft maps, and looked at moving Orinda, maybe all of LaMOrinda into the, well, what's called the RCMT District, which I think doesn't have Richmond in it anymore, into the Berkeley-Oakland District, does that help us in terms of opening up - it would actually pull down the population from the north, correct? (No response. Ms. Alon, could you give us a sense? If we did a counter-clockwise rotation in the population there does that resolve some of our issues or not? MS. ALON: I don't believe it's enough population This is only, so 24 plus 18 plus 16. to make the exchange. So I don't know if it would be enough to take the run into Richmond. You may be able to separate it from the rest of its corridor. CHAIR ANCHETA: Ontai, then Blanco. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 145 Okay, so Commissioner DiGuilio, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I guess I'm just a little - I'm trying to find ways to move this process forward, too. I mean, there are some real difficult choices to be had here. And if there was a really easy answer I think we would have found it or it would have been suggested to us. So I think we just have to kind of take a look at some point at what the trade-offs are in the different areas and see what we feel comfortable with. pluses and each one has minuses. look at that in their totality. And I know there are different issues with Congressional versus the state districts but I think, you know, having fair representation versus, like, absolutely having no representation at all, I think there are some drastic differences between those kind of statements. And Because each one has And I think we have to I think even in a situation like with Richmond - and I know it's different in Congressional versus state - but they are whole in the Assembly and Senate and I think we have been trying throughout the whole state trying to balance areas and do a lot of compromises. be a compromise somewhere. And there is going to have to And I just would like to see if maybe we can maybe work towards that a little bit more with all of this and try to find the thing that does the least amount of harm. What I would kind of like to suggest is maybe CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 146 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 starting with the visualization that we had, the original one we had today, and see if we can correct some of those and what it would take to do some switches out in that regard. Because we do have to give some type of direction. And last I would just say that I don't mind revisiting the north, either. I think the reason why the north may be So more set is simply because there is lack of population. the shifts that have to occur in the north are so drastic to make some changes that - we can obviously go back and revisit them, it's not a set piece - but it's moving very large geographic areas in order to accommodate things that happen on a smaller scale in an urban area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, we are going to do Then I'm Commissioner Ontai and then Commissioner Blanco. going to cut discussion for right now, have a process point, and then we will do a lunch break. to go on motion after lunch. comments. Commissioner Ontai? Ms. Clark answered my But we may have Let's just go to the last COMMISSIONER ONTAI: question. CHAIR ANCHETA: So Commissioner Blanco? So this is - I just want to COMMISSIONER BLANCO: clarify again. whole. My point wasn't about keeping Contra Costa This is not just a discussion about Richmond whole. It's about this entire community that I described earlier CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 being split off into a lot of different districts where they won't have anybody who really looks at this as a whole. So it's not about the city of Richmond. You know, if that were the issue and half of Richmond were in Contra Costa and half in Alameda, we've had - the residents are split about that anyway. So I wouldn't necessarily - you know, like I said last time, there the issue for me was where do you make the split to make it in a responsible way. So this is not about keeping Richmond whole, it's about the larger configuration of the East Bay in our current iteration. One thing that, you know, if we needed to shift to at least bring some resolution we could also look at not just Orinda but we could take El Cerrito out and Orinda out and then do a swap to put, you know, those in the district to the west. And put the other one - you know, move the You know, I don't line for Richmond and perhaps Pinole. know the numbers. But that would be another way, is to move all of Richmond and Orinda out. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I'm going to give Commissioner Galambos-Malloy 30 seconds and then I will cut it there. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: This transitions to the process point of, I think there's a couple of ways you could approach it. I personally would not feel comfortable CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 148 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with us using the first draft as our starting point to adjust from. I think that first draft is farther away from where we need to be and so it might be a shorter road to travel if we look at the second drafts or the alternative that we've been presented by Ms. Alon. Or another idea might be to agree on some building blocks for what we would want to see happen in the East Bay. For example, can we agree that at the Congressional level that maintaining the Tri-City area as whole and preferably with Hayward is something that we would like to work with. And then we are able to get from Q2 what are the decisions you need to make as you move outward from there. CHAIR ANCHETA: lunch break. Okay. So on process we will take a We will resume at 1:40. Don't talk to each other, But don't do serial, don't Reminder, Bagley-Keene: except you can talk one on one. confer on this. This is obviously something you might want to talk about over lunch, don't do it. What I will do is entertain either a motion or a point for discussion after the lunch break. And, again, you can certainly suggest a starting point and revisions and we have to go to vote, we will go to vote. want to move this along. Okay, so break. But I do (Lunch break at 12:54 p.m., to resume at 1:40 p.m.) CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 149 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A F T E R N O O N S E S S I O N 1:52 P.M. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I think we have quorum. We are resuming from our lunch recess. Actually, it might be a good time to take a few minutes of public comment since we've had some interesting discussions. So maybe just a few minutes, if we have any speakers who want to perhaps comment on some of the morning session. take again just sort of two minutes each. MR. PAYTON: with the CCAG. Thank you. I'm Allen Payton again Okay, so we'll We have some maps that we've done specifically on the Congressional districts in Northern California. The final ones up around Yuba are getting fixed up right now because of trying to address, we had a one percent regression - is that how you say it, regression? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MR. PAYTON: Retrogression. I knew Retrogression, that's right. there was another syllable or two in there. But if you look into the Bay Area specifically, if we can kind of get in closer there, if we could go down to Fremont. Obviously, right there you see that San Francisco, that district does not cross the Golden Gate Bridge so you keep San Francisco and Marin separate. And you come down onto the CD-13 and I believe that's 15 that keeps - one of those CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 150 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 two, I believe, keeps Fremont, Newark - well, I apologize. There is something different between what we were told and what is appearing on the maps. District, correct? CD-13 is the Hayward Yeah, Hayward, Union City - nope, sorry that doesn't do what we thought we were going to do in keeping Hayward, Fremont and Newark together - excuse me, Union City, Fremont and Newark together. doesn't do that. It definitely Well, I retract that comment. Let's look at C-10 because I know about CD-10, that is the Contra Costa and Tri-Valley, that's the DublinPleasanton-Livermore district, that's how that's treated. But the bottom line is if we go back and look at the one that you were looking at earlier and bring San Ramon back into that district and Dublin or the portions of Dublin it basically moves San Leandro into that Fremont district. know that's not what we're looking at here. But that was I one of the things we wanted to look at from earlier, moving San Ramon and part of Dublin back in. Because otherwise you're just cutting out two portions, right, of the 680 corridor? And you can move the Richmond district farther into Contra Costa, all the way over to Pittsburg and Bay Point. And it is pretty much an even swap between Pittsburg-Bay Point, it was about 80,000, and the Dublin-San Ramon, which is about 80, 82, 83. Nevertheless, that was kind of the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 151 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 original district for the East Bay Congressional district we created. And it is similar to the State Senate District, except for the fact that it was obviously 200,000 people less. Over into the San Joaquin district, it does take the eastern portion of Contra Costa out of there and it does allow for going up into Elk Grove. Unfortunately, it crosses the Sacramento line but it does pick up that water area of the Sacramento County, and Isleton and all, along routes 160 and 12. So CHAIR ANCHETA: writtenMR. PAYTON: be quiet now. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: I have a question. - if you want me to be quiet I will Probably. And if you have a Am I over two minutes? I believe I am. Sure, go ahead. Did you do anything in the COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Monterey District? MR. PAYTON: Yes, Monterey is great, actually, from the standpoint of meeting the VRA requirements by, I believe, two percentage points. And then 54.03 percent Hispanic is how the Monterey District, CD-17, comes out. And then the Merced District, CD-19, comes out at 57, almost 58 percent Hispanic. And then finally you have CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 152 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Kings County, which ends up at 71, almost 72 percent Hispanic. How Chris did that I have no idea, but he did. But you split Monterey Bay COMMISSIONER BARABBA: in half? MR. PAYTON: Yes. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. PAYTON: CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. AZIZ: Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else for public comment? So, you Hello again, commissioners. know, I've been listening to this conversation and I hear the problem being that you have two different versions, you have a Northern California that you want locked down and a Bay Area that you want to move around. Well, because the Bay Area was locked down to the first draft maps, the five counties which our proposal, the Tri-Cities proposal, works with are Contra Costa, Oakland, San Jose, Fremont-NewarkUnion City, and South Santa Clara, were the only districts we affected in our map and those are the only districts that you had set back to the first draft. By kind of looking at the Tri-City proposal and taking into consideration that COI you have the possibility of, you know, reconfiguring the East Bay in a way that is more likable for Alameda County and the surrounding residents while keeping Northern California and the surrounding areas CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 153 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 together in the same exact way that this Commission has set out because basically the first draft border is what - you know, is there for Contra Costa and all the way down into south Santa Clara. So I really urge you to look at the Tri-City proposal because you can basically on top of basically where Northern California is and, you know, the parts under the East Bay which you've already taken into consideration, you can basically copy and paste our proposal right into that area. And I'm sure if there weren't too many changes to the area because of the direction that would be possible. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: the public? (No response.) Okay, very good. Can we get on screen the original Thank you. Any other members of And you could confirm that with your Q2 staff. posted Congressional visualizations? MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: We're working on it. Okay. Just one second. As a reminder, commissioners, I've been consulting the past resolutions regarding how we look at potential problems on voting for maps. And our procedures focus specifically when we're voting on a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 154 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 statewide map and create procedures when we can't achieve a special majority. It sort of looks at a five member grouping that might want to discuss a particular district and then we can move forward from that. So it doesn't really cover what we're doing today in terms of visualizations. So I think to revert to our normal Again, presuming there is a I procedure we can go to motion. remaining dispute on any particular set of districts. think functionally it's basically the same because it ultimately comes down to a vote. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't we have something in place that allowed us to vote on districts by districts in the visualizations? we did. CHAIR ANCHETA: final maps. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: that's there. No, I know, of course, Well, it goes to the maps, the I thought Maybe I will just look at my records. So what is on the table officially So I will entertain CHAIR ANCHETA: right now is the posted visualization. any, you know, motions or - well, motions that might want to either vote to move forward with this particular visualization or engage in some amendment. Now, we don't have - our procedure that we had adopted for problems in the statewide maps with voting focus on a single district. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 155 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Obviously, as we know, you cannot simply vote on a single district typically because there are impacts in several districts at the same time. But if we want to sort of start with COCO as our problem point we can move around that. But there seems to be, again - there's clearly at this current visualization there is an alternative visualization that was presented a few days ago. At least one commissioner suggested starting from something different. So I will entertain motions. I think I have Dai, Barabba, Yao and Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, I would like to propose that we start with this and consider moving the LaMOrinda area, El Cerrito and, I believe, Kensington is in there as well, into the Oakland District, which would hopefully allow us to keep that corridor with Richmond and San Pablo moving north together. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, is that in the form of a motion or simply a suggestion at this point? COMMISSIONER DAI: I'm happy to move that if there is not consensus on it and we need to have a vote. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Yeah, I was about to say the COMMISSIONER BARABBA: same thing, is that we should stick with this visualization and then try to fix this rather than reverting back to the other one. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 156 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Yao? I would like to hear from those COMMISSIONER YAO: who would move - who would vote against this particular - that would vote against the motion, to offer up what they would consider as a viable either an approach or a viable district so that we have something to select from. Because if I am simply voting for or against a particular district I'm kind of looking at only half the data. obviously a new process for us. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. And I want to see if you would This is COMMISSIONER YAO: want to consider, as rough as it is, those that would not support this map, what would be their approach? offer up a process or an alternate configuration. CHAIR ANCHETA: this particular one? COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. And that's as an alternative to Either Commissioner DiGuilio? I would like to support COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Commissioner Dai's idea. But what I would like to see if she would accept is just the thought of just using this as a basis and then following that we could have a discussion of how to move it around. But maybe to start it with just simply a motion that we will start with this as a visualization and we can work on the details from there. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 157 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Any additional comments on that? I mean, we don't have to go to motion if there is consensus to start with that. If there is some disagreement we can go to motion. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: see if we can fix this first? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. I agree with that. Is there an agreement to Yes. Okay. Can I ask that we COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: zoom out just a little bit so we can see the south boundary? And, Commissioner Dai, could I ask you to You were suggesting explain again in a little more detail? that we move LaMOrinda into Oakland and then push Richmond, El Cerrito, San Pablo northward, is that what I heard? COMMISSIONER DAI: No, it would actually - by moving the population in there it would result in a counter-clockwise rotation of the population. And I was also suggesting, because Ms. Alon said that was not enough population, that El Cerrito and Kensington could also go into a district with Oakland and Berkeley and that would hopefully either reduce or eliminate the Richmond split and put them with Hercules and Pinole and, I think, San Pablo CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 158 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as well. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Comments from Q2? Or any clarification regarding that potential change? MS. CLARK: So the switch would be just between Or does Richmond go- these two districts, is that correct? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: Three. Richmond goes in with Sonoma? Commissioner Dai, could you CHAIR ANCHETA: clarify, please. COMMISSIONER DAI: Tell us what would happen if Yeah, you did the switch just between the two districts. actually if you do that then it will push the north part to encompass the 4, right? If we pushed in from Orinda, Lafayette and Moraga we will have to balloon out in the north, correct? MS. CLARK: In this district, OKLND, approximately So if 71,000 people from Richmond are in this district. the switch would be to move LaMOrinda and then El Cerrito and perhaps San Pablo and the rest of Richmond into the Oakland District? COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: district? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Split it. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I just wanted to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 159 Right. And then move what out of this 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 clarify to make sure I'm tracking what issue this is designed to address. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai, do you have - So if we were to add the rest of COMMISSIONER DAI: Richmond into Contra Costa we would have to take something out currently. MS. CLARK: Right. I think it's a question of - COMMISSIONER BLANCO: you can do it that way, putting Richmond in and taking things out and putting them with Oakland. MS. CLARK: OKLND? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Yes. So the switch is between COCO and Correct. And the idea is to put LaMOrinda and perhaps El Cerrito, or just approximately 71,000 from COCO into OKLND and then to move the rest of Richmond into COCO? COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Correct. Commissioner DiGuilio? If it's 71,000 we have to COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: do I'm just looking - and my eyes are great back here - but the LaMOrinda area and El Cerrito is not close to that, is that correct? MS. CLARK: El Cerrito and LaMOrinda is just, I think, a few thousand people over 71,000. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 160 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: little split somewhere? MS. CLARK: Yes. So you would have to have a CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber? Again going back to COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Commissioner Galambos-Malloy's question, is the purpose for this suggestion to make Richmond whole or trying to keep it in Contra Costa? And then the question is the balance between any community of interest testimony that we had that would put Oakland with LaMOrinda. I'm just trying to understand this discussion, other than to try and keep Richmond whole. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Yeah, I think the challenge I'm facing with Richmond - I mean, it's clear to me it's a small city and based on some of the COI why we would need to keep it whole - the piece around keeping it with Contra Costa County, I can identify with that in terms of fair representation be connected with the rest of your county. I think the reality is that a lot of the COI testimony we've gotten about Richmond and its connection to Contra Costa County has actually been tied to a specific Congressional representative, which, you know, constrains our ability to weigh that testimony as heavily as we might be able to other pieces of COI testimony from other parts of the region. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 161 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? To me, I don't know, the COMMISSIONER BLANCO: purpose of trying to do this rotation or whatever we call it that we're trying to do here, isn't around Richmond whole, okay, or putting it in Contra Costa. I mean, obviously I would like to have it whole but it's not necessarily about putting it in Contra Costa. My major concern in this area - and I don't know if there is anything to do inside this population that we have in the existing map in Contra Costa - is more than just Richmond. It's the fact that those cities like Richmond and San Pablo are in one place and then you have Pinole and Vallejo in another and then you have Martinez and Bay Point and Pittsburg and then you have Antioch and Oakley. That is my fundamental concern about this when I talk about the fragmentation of all these very similar low-income communities that are now in our visualization here in five different Congressional districts. I don't think we can - when I talk about the four, I don't think that they can be in just one but what I would like to see is how to not - that plus the fragmentation of Richmond. It's like altogether what it shows is a fragmentation in that entire region, which I find troubling in terms of compared to other parts of the state where we have at least tried to keep some parts of a community of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 162 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 interest together. Here it's completely fragmented. Okay, so Commissioner Barabba, CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai and then Commissioner Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: One of the thoughts might be to move Richmond into Contra Costa, take that portion of San Ramon and Danville, whatever population equals it, drop it into the lower district there, and then take San Leandro/San Lorenzo and move it into Oakland to make up for having lost Richmond. CHAIR ANCHETA: Clockwise. So clockwise rotation. Right, I was going to say COMMISSIONER DAI: something similar. I think we're going to have to go between at least three districts to rotate the population around. MS. CLARK: I believe that the switch that Commissioner Barabba described is what is represented in the first draft maps. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: Yes. But it doesn't necessarily affect, But within this area. CHAIR ANCHETA: say, San Francisco-Marin? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: No. Okay. Correct. But Richmond is still split. But if you moved - you said COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 163 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there was a hundred and something in Richmond that is outside of Contra Costa? MS. CLARK: There is 71,000. Okay. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: And then I'm not sure what the population of this area inside of Richmond is. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Okay, so if we moved all of that in the Contra Costa, whatever that number is, then you hit the equal number around San Ramon, dropping that into the Alameda District, and then taking San Leandro, an equal number out of Alameda, and putting it in with Oakland. mean, that would be possible, right? MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay. Commissioner Galambos-Malloy I CHAIR ANCHETA: and then Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: My sense is that a clockwise rotation makes more sense based on the nature of the communities than does a counter-clockwise rotation. still think then we're going to have to loop back down farther south and how does this affect the south Alameda County district and where does that - for example, the TriCities area, how does that fit into the entire picture? CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, is that a question? Or are I you implying that there would be a change there, that it would be desirable or undesirable? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 164 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, I would still like to see a visualization that is able to have the TriCities together, right? So what we're effectively saying is we would drop that Oakland boundary down south, we'd pick up San Leandro and then - but you're basically equalizing the population over on the east side, right? you're saying that there would be no change on that southern boundary. So then we still have to have a So discussion about the Tri-City portion of the county. But I feel comfortable with the northern suggestion that Commissioner Barabba proposed. CHAIR ANCHETA: occurred so far? (No response.) So Commissioner DiGuilio and then Commissioner Dai and then Commissioner Yao. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I want to make clear. So Okay, any comments from Q2 on what if we are going to focus on the first northern part what we're doing is, again, we're trying to balance different COIs here, because we heard clearly from the Tri-Valley area and San Ramon Valley area about kind of their preferences. So we've already broken up the Dublin- Pleasanton-Livermore and then we will reach up to grab San Ramon and break that away from the San Ramon Valley in order to get the - I'm assuming there is COI testimony CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 165 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 about Richmond going into Contra Costa, so that's kind of the trade-off, is what I understand it is. So then those two COIs are the ones that we're discussing as well as we talked about last week, as I recall, about San Leandro and there was a big discussion, I believe from Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, about San Leandro being linked with the Eden Valley. And we tried really hard to put it together, not just because - because we kept it whole in a lot of ways but it didn't go with the Eden Valley. So another aspect of this would be we would break San Leandro, the one place we tried to keep it with the Eden Valley, it will be broken again. trying to focus on the trade-off. So, again, I'm just Because there are COIs all the way around here, we just have to do the balancing act of what we see the implications of all of these. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Yao. COMMISSIONER DAI: same thing. Yeah, I was going to say the Okay. Commissioner Dai then They will effectively have broken up the Eden area, which this is the only incarnation of the map that we were able to keep them whole. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: be an opportunity, though. I think there would I mean, again, Congressional, this is the first set of maps that we're looking at today so we do have the opportunity to revisit. For example, if CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 166 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we were going to prioritize keeping the Tri-Cities together in the Congressional, you know, then the Senate is more flexible when we revisit that. If the Eden area gets broken up in Congressional in our attempt to balance all these trade-offs then we could look at reuniting them in another type of map. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Yao? Just for the sake of COMMISSIONER YAO: consistency, here we are trying to keep a big city whole and accept the consequences of dividing up a smaller community. What I probably would suggest is try to move entire cities, whether it's San Ramon, Norris Canyon or any one of these things and make the adjustment with Richmond, even though it's not in its entirety. In other words, try not to split the small community but do the rotation the way it's proposed. In terms of trying to keep Richmond whole at the expense of the other community I think we run into a consistency issue with all the other decisions that we have made so far. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? I don't know why - maybe I'm This is not just about COMMISSIONER BLANCO: not being clear on my perspective. keeping Richmond whole, I don't know how else to describe it. I'm talking about the fact that we fragmented an entire area up in that northern part of Contra Costa and CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 167 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 down to Richmond, I'm not just talking about the City of Richmond. I just want to make that clear. Because if we do reduce it to that being the conversation then I understand the conversation about trade-offs and a big city, but that's not my point. COMMISSIONER YAO: you proposed. Yeah, no accusation about what The motion as put on the floor right now is to put entire Richmond in the Contra Costa County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, we don't have quite a motion on the floor but there is certainly a proposal. Commissioner Blanco, if you have something to suggest, because it's not clear how that configuration would work at this point. certainly. I understand it's a very strong concern, But we need to have some moving parts in order to implement that. Commissioner DiGuilio? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm just going to go back again to Commissioner Barabba's - the one aspect if you do include Richmond and then you go into San Ramon you still have five districts in Contra Costa. You're not going to reduce the number of districts, you just change the split. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? So I'm going to go back to my COMMISSIONER DAI: original thought, which was a counter-clockwise move which would move - that's, I think, the only chance we have to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 168 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reduce the fragmentation in that area. But it would have the effect of booting Richmond out of the Oakland District but it would put it with San Pablo, Pinole, Hercules, Rodeo, you know. And then we might be able to keep Martinez together with, you know, Clyde, Bay Point, Pittsburg along that corridor. So that would reduce the fragmentation with a counter-clockwise move. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: the loss of Napa population? COMMISSIONER DAI: Where is Napa involved in this? The Napa District, NEBAY. What do you do with Napa, COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: If you go into - COMMISSIONER DAI: that's my point. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: that, okay. COMMISSIONER DAI: It would acquire Richmond, Oh, so Richmond goes into Richmond would go into Napa but at least it would be in there with that whole corridor. And then the Highway 4 corridor would be more complete and in Contra Costa. So if the point is to reduce fragmentation I think that's the only way to deal with reducing the fragmentation. You know, it doesn't address the fact that we are having a relatively low income urban area with Napa but at least they would be in there in some numbers. Vallejo is also in there. It would be a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 169 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 significant number of communities in there. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: out of Napa? MS. CLARK: Perhaps - Martinez. What are you going to take COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Vallejo? CHAIR ANCHETA: think at that point. here. - Martinez, Benicia and part of That was a general murmuring I Well, okay, let me see some nods We have sort of the Barabba proposal and - and, again, we can go to motion if we want to - and then sort of the Dai proposal. clockwise. addressed. One is counter-clockwise and one is And some different concerns are being I'm not getting a good sense of who wants what Again, we can go to motion and simply try at this point. to get some formal votes here. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: if I could. CHAIR ANCHETA: Sure. If we did what Commissioner Just another clarification, COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Dai is indicating would that allow us then to start moving population up from down south into Alameda and maybe then affect the Tri-Cities area? Because you are going to be able to pull population up, I think. CHAIR ANCHETA: Ask Q2. I think the answer is it CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 170 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 wouldn't necessarily do that? MS. CLARK: Napa or into NEBAY - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: - then - You're equal. Oh, I see, okay. If the 70,000 people were pulled into COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: - assumably the population would be sort of exchanged through here unless it was going to be a 70,000 person ripple effect through all of Northern California. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner Filkins-Webber and then Commissioner Forbes. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: My concern is - and I certainly appreciate the Chair's efforts to move us along regarding the possibility of a motion - I would have a difficulty considering a motion on a recommended change to a district without seeing a visualization of its potential effects on every other district we're looking at there. Because we have seen throughout this entire process that as we request changes we have to see what the potential impact is on surrounding districts. So I would be unable to consider a motion on a district that is changing without seeing the potential impact throughout. to put that on the record. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 171 So I just wanted 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We can talk about it esoterically, which is this population will flow here and this population will flow there but we certainly never see the broader aspect of the potential effect on so many other communities of interest that might be affected. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I understand the interest in But to me to Commissioner Forbes and then moving Richmond to make it less chopped up. take a population that is, if you will, on the north side of the Carquinez Straits and put it on the south side so you can take something that is already on the south side of the straits to put it on the north side, that doesn't make any sense to me. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba? Yeah, I would suggest we COMMISSIONER BARABBA: direct Q2 to make a quick assessment of Commissioner Dai's suggestion and the one I suggested and see what they look like. Not vote on either one of them but just to see what the implications are so that we can make a better judgment. CHAIR ANCHETA: that were to - MS. CLARK: Right now Tamina is working to prepare Let me ask Q2 what that entails, if a quick visualization of Commissioner Barabba's proposal. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so in terms of timing how CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 172 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 quickly can these be done in terms of just live changes? MS. CLARK: Pretty quickly. Okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: It's close. So Commissioner DiGuilio? While she is working on CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: that I would like to get a little move visualization from Commissioner Dai. I understand that you're trying to - one of your proposals was to kind of keep the integrity of the 4 a little bit more. So you are dropping in those communities -Martinez, and I'm not sure if Concord is in there - anyway, okay - dropping those back down in. And I can understand how you're trying to bring Richmond back up in there. But there still is a population. If you put the 4 area back into the COCO District you have to put from COCO into something else. Is the switch going between just COCO and the Napa one or is it a three-way switch with Oakland too? COMMISSIONER DAI: switch. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yeah. So something from I think it has to be a three-way COCO has to go into Oakland then at the same time? COMMISSIONER DAI: clockwise. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: That's what I'm saying. No, I was suggesting counter- CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 173 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DAI: go into COCO. Something from Oakland needs to COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER DAI: Oh, I see. Okay. Is that right? No, because you are taking COMMISSIONER BARABBA: the population out MS. CLARK: That would be - - of Oakland. Excuse me. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. CLARK: The portion of Richmond that is in COCO And I know that it is approximately 32,000, I believe. would also entail moving San Pablo and perhaps El Cerrito depending on contiguity issues. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Right. So if that was about 60,000 then that would entail moving 60,000 from the Oakland District, probably from the City of Oakland, into COCO and then moving - and then that would be the switch, is the two-way switch? (No response.) Is that right? If this area was moved into OKLND and then maybe part of Berkeley or a part of Oakland was moved into COCO then it would be a two-way switch. COMMISSIONER DAI: three-way switch. MS. CLARK: Where does the third district come in? Right. We were suggesting a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 174 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 30,000? COMMISSIONER DAI: We were talking about acquiring So that would Martinez into the COCO District, right? affect the bottom of the Napa District, too. MS. CLARK: So if this line was moved north to acquire Martinez into COCO - COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Then we could - - then this line would move south about COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: into COCO? MS. CLARK: Right, 35,000 in Martinez. And then what goes from Oakland And then about 30,000 would come out of Oakland or Berkeley into Contra Costa. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: along 13? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: It feels like - On that point, it could be Commissioner Blanco, I would like your feedback on this - it feels like it's still fundamentally not impacting the fragmentation that much. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I was really listening during the rotation piece but I don't know that it gets us that much farther than where we are. MS. CLARK: The visualization of Commissioner Would you like to see it? Barabba's proposal is ready. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, so this differs from the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 175 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 visualization that we were just looking at in that the entire City of Richmond is in this Contra Costa District. And then, as you can see, San Ramon was moved in with the Fremont-Newark District and San Leandro is moved in with Oakland. If we look at the 4 corridor, now the 4 would be And either way - I running through only four districts. just want to point out that either way, whether we're talking about this proposal or Commissioner Dai's proposal, the 4 would still be running just through the three districts. CHAIR ANCHETA: Comments on this? I like this in the sense that COMMISSIONER BLANCO: even you have Martinez - is Martinez now with Pittsburg? And that's an improvement. And, as we've mentioned before, Martinez is the county seat for Contra Costa County and we had them up in a separate county before. So I think having the county seat with its county is a good thing. MS. CLARK: Quickly, sorry. This was built off of the first draft map lines. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MS. CLARK: Oh. This doesn't have the updated districts to the north and Martinez would still be north, would still be with Vallejo, Benicia and so on. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MS. CLARK: Yes. With Solano? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 176 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Oh, okay. So really this, what we've gotten here is we've gotten Richmond whole and in Contra Costa instead of into - MS. CLARK: Yes. Not only not split but all in COMMISSIONER BLANCO: one county. MS. CLARK: Right. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: same, basically? Everything else remains the COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: But the San Pablo- Cerrito, that configuration that it's together with Richmond, I think, is - COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yeah, I think San Pablo - - new and - COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: (Crosstalk) COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MS. CLARK: Yes. Yes, I would agree with that. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: And where is Pinole? Pinole is not in there but we have San Pablo, which is really kind of so similar, they're like, you know, twin sister cities. And all of Richmond, yeah. And El Cerrito, yeah. That's a better configuration for those three areas that you're, you know, like three minutes away from each other. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Yao and then Commissioner Filkins-Webber. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 177 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER YAO: the Napa District? MS. CLARK: Napa District. CHAIR ANCHETA: What's the approximate impact on There would not be an impact on the Commissioner Filkins-Webber? I'm looking back at COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: another community of interest that might be impacted here that may not be respected at any level when this change comes about, which is San Leandro, again. I went back and looked at - I think they are with Oakland at the Assembly, they are with Oakland at the Senate and this was an opportunity at the Congressional level to put them with their communities of interest, which I thought were to the south. And so with this configuration we're not respecting So, again, I San Leandro at any level potentially. understand that this is a balance but sometimes we've tried to consider a balance by respecting a community of interest at least at some district level. So I wanted to point out Again, I'm not that that might be some consideration. entirely familiar with, you know, geographics, but that's my recollection of the community of interest testimony that we've received. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: visualization, San Leandro? MS. CLARK: No. However, the three districts are Is it divided in this CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 178 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not fully balanced, for the sake of time. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? So that's the Eden area that we COMMISSIONER DAI: worked hard to try to put together again in configurations and we basically reverted back to what we had before. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? I think Commissioner COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Barabba's proposal that we have here, the configuration on the north end works significantly better than what we had before. I would recommend then as we move forward to looking at our Assembly and our Senate maps for the region that if this is the configuration we go with that we make a note to ourselves about this Eden area and look at opportunities to make shifts in either Assembly or Senate to ensure that they also have an opportunity to be joined together. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? I just had a question and I COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: will kind of defer to some of the commissioners that know this area. But we have enough COI testimony to support putting together San Pablo and Richmond and putting that with the rest of Contra Costa because we are breaking some COI testimony that we have on record for some of those other areas in the San Ramon Valley and the Tri-Valley area and San Leandro. So I just want to make sure we have CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 179 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 enough - not just our own personal knowledge, which is very important as well, too - but that there is some COI testimony from which we can base this on. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So I think we had a lot of testimony about not splitting Richmond and we had a lot of testimony about Richmond being in Contra Costa although, like Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, that one worries me a little bit because it was about wanting to be with a particular elected official. But we did have a lot about splitting and we did have, I believe, testimony about San Pablo being with Richmond. And one thing I just want to say about not having a lot of testimony, this area is a really - you know, an area with a lot of problems in the Bay Area. And I don't think that we should take the fact that there hasn't been a lot of weighing in on this process to be what keeps us from keeping an area that those of us who know this area well know is a community of interest, just because we haven't had residents weigh in in the same large numbers they have in other parts of the state. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Are we prepared to move Any objections at forward with this particular revision? this point? (No response.) Okay, so we will - MS. CLARK: We are just switching machines again. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 180 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: that instruction? MS. KUBAS: So, Kyle, you were able to capture So the direction is to work off of the last visualization that Tamina presented, that was illustrating Commissioner Barabba's - CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. KUBAS: Clockwise rotation. - clockwise rotation. We're okay, then? With a note that we're going to CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER DAI: try to deal with the Eden area in another district. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. And the rotation is Richmond into COCO, San Ramon and Norris Canyon into FRENE, and San Leandro into Oakland. CHAIR ANCHETA: Correct. And San Pablo as well as COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Richmond, right? San Pablo-El Cerrito. Is that correct, San Pablo would CHAIR ANCHETA: also go with Richmond in the rotation? MS. CLARK: Yes. That's confirmed? Okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: scheduling for this. I would like to just talk about the When would you like to see this? Because at this point you would see it next week for the live line drawing, I guess. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 181 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Well, what we're saying right now is if that's what we're giving direction to this is it, right? We've changed. Yes. Correct. I just wanted to verify. It isn't just like we want CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: to see this option. Everyone has to understand that this is what we're agreeing to. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: This is it. Okay. Thank you. Again, there can be, you know, minute detail changes but this is basically the instruction. MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: Thank you. Commissioner Yao? In adjusting for the population COMMISSIONER YAO: we're basically saying it's acceptable for that division to happen wherever it happens. Because we are approving the direction and the map that are going to be given to Q2 at this point. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. I mean, there may be - again, because the deviation is to basically go to zero. We could probably tweak a few things at the street level. But that's basically the orientation, right? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Yep. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 182 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Let's get back into our sort Did we get to of sequence of summarizing the districts. OKLND? Actually, we're - okay. I've lost track. So where did we sort of leave off? MS. CLARK: I believe next is OKLND. Okay, so with the revision why So Commissioners Dai CHAIR ANCHETA: don't we have a summary description. and Galambos-Malloy, you want to just summarize? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: In order to do that could I actually see the visualization we had before - basically the Barabba visualization - well, I think I can do it from memory, right? Because it basically starts at the Albany border, is that correct? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Yeah. And then we move COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: south and then we encompass everything we see here in the Oakland District but with the exception that we pick up San Leandro. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Yes, that's correct. Okay. So we had had COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: significant COI testimony linking Oakland and Alameda similarly with Emeryville. We had had some COI testimony that actually linked parts of Oakland moving north, talking about flatlands communities, linking Oakland, Emeryville, Berkeley, regarding API community and services that were CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 183 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 located in those areas that linked those communities. had had testimony regarding San Leandro that was We conflicting, that San Leandro was linked to the Eden area but that San Leandro also had strong links to Oakland. What would you add, Commissioner Dai? (No response. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: would respect the - COMMISSIONER DAI: right? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: the hills. COMMISSIONER DAI: And the bay. And the bay. The Yes. And respects Oakland is whole in this one, This visualization COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: geographic boundary that we're looking at on the west side is San Francisco Bay and on the east side are the BerkeleyOakland Hills which go along that eastern border of the district. And so we've been able to keep the integrity of both of those boundaries, which we've heard significant amounts about, particularly the hills. Another thing that I would add, just knowing the area really well, is this is a strong district that respects the 880 corridor, which is known as a very significant both commuter corridor and also heavy transportation corridor in terms of the Port of Oakland CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Leandro. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Any other comments or additions? Okay, so we go to FRENE, Fremont-Newark? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: This is the area where I feel like it might be useful to see the Barabba visualization. Because I'm just trying to estimate, is the only difference we're seeing is that San Ramon and Norris Canyon go south? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes, and the swap with San COMMISSIONER BARABBA: And San Leandro goes down. And the swap with COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: San Leandro, okay. COMMISSIONER DAI: So this keeps Dublin, Pleasanton and Livermore together with Sunol, has most of the Eden area minus San Leandro now. transportation corridors. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: The aspect of this And so that's the different district that I think could be improved upon, of course, is the configuration of the Tri-Cities on the south side of Alameda County. I think, you know, depending what we would want to consider as a Commission, we had several different versions of what that could look like. We had always the Tri-Cities of Newark, Union City and Fremont considered as a unit. We have had additional COI testimony that linked CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 185 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 those three cities with Hayward. We've had additional testimony that's linked those cities farther south, potentially with Milpitas and Berryessa. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? Just talking about the one I COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: we were on, FRENE, I think it's an interesting district. think, again, the one above it and this one kind of are trying to pull together areas that in some ways are a little bit hard to fit together. But I think one of the reasons in some ways I was a little reluctant to pull San Ramon Valley down is because the Dublin-PleasantonLivermore are there and there is not much place for them to go based on some of the other decisions, but the integrity of San Ramon with them, you know, it's a home for San Ramon to go to. And it's maybe an awkward pairing between the But I Hayward, Union City and those parts in some ways. think that's probably under the current constraints that we have, that's the most realistic - and I think, again, to try and pair the Tri-Cities together you would have to - I don't know what you would have to do. You would have to go I way down into Santa Clara and back around into San Jose. don't personally see - I understand the issue very much and I understand it at the Congressional level and we've heard it and we've listened and we know. But I just cannot see how we can put those together without some serious CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 186 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 implications in the rest of the area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Forbes and then Commissioner Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Here we have Union City and Would Newark in different districts and the Fremont split. it make any sense to trade out another 42,000 out of Fremont and put Newark with Union City so you would have Union City, Newark and - I don't know, whatever - half of Fremont I don't know what the dividing line would be - At least you would get most of it in one in one district? district. MS. ALON: We did that before. Everyone called it the Fremont finger and told me to change it. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DAI: Okay. And not only that, Fremont and Newark have a closer relationship. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Oh, I know they do. It just was an effort to try to get most of them together. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Could I ask Ms. Alon if we were to say let's explore the Tri-Cities at this point, given some of the other direction that we've given, really what options would we be looking at? What would it take to unite the Tri-Cities and what impact would that have on our surrounding districts? MS. ALON: Assuming that the districts above are CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 187 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 already set? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. ALON: Yes. If the districts above are already set with the San Leandro move and the San Ramon move then what you would be looking at is trying to create a district which takes these two up into here, essentially. Because you couldn't isolate them from Eden because Eden would have nowhere to go. So really what you're looking at is swapping this out for these three or possibly Sunol and you would move them south. And so it would be Dublin, Pleasanton, Livermore, possibly Sunol and the would either be connecting with San Jose over here or they would be taking an inland route down this way somewhere, connecting - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: Monterey. Connecting down here somewhere, probably I believe when I visualized coming down to Santa Clara. this it took these three kind of down and then came down into this part of Santa Clara. Or you can come up into this part of San Jose, though it might break up some of the San Jose COIs, but it would be kind of doing something like this, something inland. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Thank you. The reason I ask is because when I look at the direction we've given thus far with the districts above, to a certain CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 188 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 extent what we've decided was that in this visualization for purposes of Congressional we have made a decision that we were going to join sort of the bayside, the Hayward corridor, with east county of Alameda; which it's clear here we are making a trade-off, there is significant COI that says don't cross over those hills but we said we're going to cross it. So at that point if we have already said that's a sacrifice we may be willing to make in the Congressional maps, to take that one step farther, you know, I'm willing to look at other pairings of this east county area. had requested. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? That's true. But, I mean, I Because already it's not exactly what they COMMISSIONER BLANCO: don't think it's just that. I mean, when you look at whatever district, to not have Dublin, Pleasanton, Livermore and Sunol basically in an area that goes along the 580, which is what that area is COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: 680. - and then it goes, you know, 580 until it hits the - you know, either it goes up on the 580 or over to the 880. To have Pleasanton, Livermore, Dublin and Sunol go down to a district south of it, it seems to go most for me against gravity. Given that this really the 580 corridor. I mean, maybe it's true that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 189 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there is testimony about it not being with Hayward. But it's kind of like when we talked about those other places where they didn't want to be somewhere but that didn't mean they wanted to be with something completely unrelated. And I just think that we are not just disregarding COIs, we're also putting Dublin, Pleasanton, Livermore and Sunol in an area connected with a transportation corridor that's a natural for it, instead of going south it's going along the 580. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Okay, Ms. Alon? If I could correct myself just slightly, Dublin would what it would be is Livermore and Pleasanton. be able to stay with San Ramon, which gets pushed down this way, and those two would be the ones moving south. probably wouldn't need Sunol or Dublin. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? When I look at this It I COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: district I feel like we have a lot of disparate parts. feels like we have - you know, we have the Tri-Valley area, we have the Eden area minus San Leandro, and we have a portion of the Hayward-Union City-Newark-Fremont area. I mean, I think the same argument that you could make about the 580 corridor, you could make that same argument about the 880 corridor and it might even be a stronger argument to be made if you take into account other economic factors CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 190 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 like the Port of Oakland, which it really is the 880 corridor that's the arterial there. So I would be interested in hearing other commissioner's perspective on this district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Forbes? We've had a fair amount of COMMISSIONER FORBES: discussion about economic status and I think a HaywardFremont-880 corridor would maintain probably a somewhat more uniform economic status than would a Hayward-Livermore axis. So, I mean, I would be open to at least seeing the I wish there was Pleasanton-Livermore south configuration. a better road that went down there because I think that maybe you might be able to create your Hayward-NewarkFremont-Union City district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: sure that I'm not missing anything. so many different visualizations. I just want to make Because we have seen The public comment that Commissioner Filkins-Webber and we've received today from this area seemed to suggest that it is in consideration of the surrounding districts. Mr. Aziz's map - and so I think we have that. I was And wondering if we could just put it up real quick and see if - I just want to make sure we're not missing anything because this has been proposed to us in several iterations, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 191 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 post-draft map. So I think we have it on the computer. Or we had it up earlier today. MR. AZIZ: I only have a JPEG of it. I'm sorry, COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Commissioner Filkins-Webber, what were you asking for? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Mr. Aziz had made a comment that his maps for this area in this district are in consideration of the surrounding districts. See, most of the difficulty that we've had is the impact on all of the surrounding districts. And so as I understood the public comment earlier today is that it is taking into consideration this visualization that we have for the surrounding districts. And so I was wondering if, as we've been struggling with this area I don't want to be remiss in not taking a look at this or at least having my memory refreshed as to the impact. If all the surrounding districts of the Northern California area and the Southern California into Monterey, which is where we have a lot of the pressure, if that's not being impacted by this map then this might answer some of the questions. a look at what the problem is. Because this visualization actually does put Dublin, Pleasanton and Livermore to the Santa Clara - I mean, down into that district, as Ms. Alon had mentioned might occur. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 192 Or we could take 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: All right. That was my point. I COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: just didn't want us to miss this if that's possible. CHAIR ANCHETA: I believe? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Yes, I do. And I So I'll And you have a hard copy right now, don't think there have been any changes to this. take a look at it. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Commissioner DiGuilio? You know, I know we are all But, you know, the COI COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: struggling with this a little bit. here of these four communities is 500,000 people, this is not a small COI, right? and have to steer. This is a very large ship to try I think we are trying to fit a very big COI into a very small geographic area with no deviation allowed. So, you know, I would be willing to see what But, just other commissioners would like to do with this. for the record, I have a very hard time putting Pleasanton and Livermore down with communities in San Jose just to meet a COI of 500,000 people. There is some difficulty with Livermore, Pleasanton and Dublin in with Hayward but I think there's more problems with them down with San Jose communities. And I do believe - I think there were some issues when we had done this before, when we looked at this what happened in San Jose in terms of breaking up those CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 193 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 communities as well, too. SANJO district, too. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba. something. Because it does affect that Commissioner Galambos-Malloy then And then I want to move forward with COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Similar to Commissioner Forbes, I would be interested in seeing the alternative that Ms. Alon referred to. I think we have And if you gotten so much COI testimony in this corridor. think about the western side of the corridor, even just, you know, the economic piece which we talked about earlier today but also demographically; even if you go down across the Santa Clara line what a dense Asian-Pacific Islander COI this is and a very diverse API COI. So I think we have some flexibility if we are to look at trying to create more of this Tri-City district, again, if we cross the county line or not. But I would like to see something that attempts to do that given what a priority, again, it is at the Congressional level. And I'm more than willing to look at - I think at the Senate level we had taken efforts to keep the Tri-Cities together. And so we may want to look at revisiting that so that we are able to provide more communities in other places an opportunity to have better representation in the Senate and Assembly versions. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Barabba? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 194 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Yes, as a person who has been recently traveling a lot on Highway 580, I can tell you there is a lot of traffic going both ways between Livermore-Dublin-Pleasanton, Castro Valley and San Leandro. That highway is jammed all of the time and it's going both ways. So it's not that they don't have anything in common. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, is there support for moving either forward with the recently updated visualization or do we want to have Ms. Alon's alternative? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Would it be possible like we did with the Barabba concept to do a rough cut of what it is? MS. MACDONALD: We are working on that already. Okay. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: Actually, it's done already. Okay, let's take a look at it then. If they can do it fast, let's take a look. MS. ALON: So this takes Dublin-Pleasanton- Livermore - sorry, part of Dublin, Pleasanton and Livermore and Sunol and connects them with these areas of San Jose. In this visualization the different neighborhoods of San Jose are intact and so they have not been broken apart or away from each other. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Would you be able to give me a rough idea of how much of the population is on CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 195 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the Alameda side and how much on the Santa Clara side? MS. CLARK: believe. The initial switch was 123,000, I So somewhere between 120,000 and 156,000 in Alameda County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Forbes? While this is not a perfect COMMISSIONER FORBES: district, it does - I mean, I was most concerned about what was going to happen in San Jose. This configuration to me seems like we're able to keep the San Jose COI intact as well as meet the - I'll call it the Fremont area as well. Those are two very significant gains. The fact that Pleasanton is a little bit - you know, the connection is not great, there no obvious freeway connection between them, and the fact that there is a variance between the population in Livermore versus San Jose, that is true. I think in this one we maintain the neighborhoods in San Jose as well as achieve the COI in Fremont. MS. ALON: And if I may just comment, I can clean But up this part down here to be able to get this in with the green district and then take off a little bit of the city split on the western end. it looks like. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Although there is a Commissioner Filkins-Webber then So it won't look so - whatever CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 196 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part of me that likes what I see in the Fremont area, my concern now - again, it just does go back to my unfamiliarity with this area, so I would defer to those commissioners that actually know the area - but if Livermore and Pleasanton had a problem going over within their own county to Fremont and Hayward, are we doing more of a disservice potentially in putting Pleasanton and Livermore on that side down with San Jose? thought I would put that thought out there. So I just It just seems like that is even a further distant community, even though I do like the Fremont-Union area. trying to balance what we can see. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And, again, I think just in But, again, we're just Thanks Commissioner DiGuilio then trying to balance COI here you've taken the PleasantonLivermore-Dublin-San Ramon, that whole area, you now have three Congressional districts from Contra Costa down into Alameda, three Congressional districts so one COI of 500,000 people can be kept together. I think if you split the Tri-Cities, even if it's in half, you still have a significant block of people, 250,000 people that can influence two different Congressional districts versus a much smaller area that has just been fractured in order to keep one very, very large COI together. I just don't see CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 197 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 how that's - for me it's not a reasonable trade-off at all. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba? I would just reinforce that COMMISSIONER BARABBA: all of a sudden San Ramon is tied in with Newark and Fremont and split away from Dublin, which is now a split community. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? Two separate COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: observations. One is that I think from the beginning we've known that keeping the Tri-Valley area together has been very key. Even though in this representation it represents a smaller share, the truth is this is a very important hub for the region in terms of housing and in terms of jobs and is connected. People live there and commute down to Santa So Clara County, commute other places in the Bay Area. it's very much connected. The concern I have with this one - and I just trying to revisit our earlier conversation - was I think if there was a way that we could fix the San Ramon orphan I would feel pretty good about this visualization, again with the idea that, yes, we are trying to accommodate a very large COI at the Congressional level. But, again, at the Senate level and at the Assembly level we can look at other configurations. But, again, I felt like the map in which we prioritize keeping them together is not the map in which they need effective political CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 198 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 representation. So San Ramon is the piece I would like to see if we could fix. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I will add a comment myself after Commissioner Blanco. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I was just looking. Even though I know that today they said they submitted new maps, the CCAG original maps way back when we started were sort of a mixture of this. They did have Livermore, Pleasanton, Now, they did go Sunol connected to parts of Santa Clara. all the way out to pick up parts further west but it was a map that envisioned parts of Santa Clara together with Livermore, Pleasanton and Sunol. I don't know what the one So today did, but the early map did go down to that area. there have been - we have been presented maps that include this eastern part down with Santa Clara together. CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, having worked in San Jose for quite a while, I find the southern area quite disparate from the Tri-Valley area. I often joke when people say communities have nothing in common, I find these communities have nothing in common, frankly. that lightly. I don't say Although, again, as Commissioner Galambos- Malloy mentioned, there probably is some commuter traffic going down the 680 into the Silicon Valley area. But as you get into the heart of downtown San Jose and the east CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 199 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 side they are very different communities there. sure they really belong together. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I'm not Could we ask Ms. Alon, you had mentioned a second alternative which, if I understood it correctly, would be more of an inland district and so would go and connect with, I believe it was Morgan Hill. version was? MS. ALON: Sure. So what that version would be Could you just talk us through what that would be taking this same Livermore, Pleasanton, part of Dublin, Sunol area and just kind of going straight south and then picking up Morgan Hill down in kind of southern Santa Clara. So you get kind of more of a straight district but it's a little longer. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Commissioner Barabba? Sorry, it would not include those San Jose areas which are currently visualized in green. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: areas would then orient north? MS. ALON: Yes. Okay. So those San Jose COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba? If you took the current COMMISSIONER BARABBA: district, which I'm not getting very comfortable with here, and get it lowered a little bit and you - in that purple CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 200 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 area, if you would put San Ramon and all of Dublin in the green area you would then be able to knock off the green area on the bottom and put it into the purple area? MS. ALON: the bottom? Sorry. Put San Ramon and split part And then because you're You would be able to take what out of COMMISSIONER BARABBA: of Dublin into the green area. short of people now in the purple area you go into the green area in San Jose to make up for what you took out of San Ramon and Dublin. MS. ALON: What would that look like? So It's about a 90 to 100,000 people. there is a deviation but also it would affect the northern district that you took - it would affect the north as well, if you are moving that around. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: 66,000, is that right? MS. ALON: 72,000. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Milpitas? MS. ALON: Just this little area down here. I guess my question is, when So that whole area is Right. And San Ramon by itself is But, like Milpitas is COMMISSIONER BARABBA: you add everything that's down there does it get close to San Ramon and Dublin? MS. ALON: You might be able to take Berryessa with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 201 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Milpitas. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: In exchange. I'm most comfortable And they would be whole? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: with something along the lines of what Commissioner Barabba was exploring. If we look at sort of an east counties district and then a west counties district and that may be able to allow us to bring San Ramon back in with some of it's sister cities and respect a significant number of COIs on the west side and on the east side. I feel very uncomfortable with the previous iteration that we had and I feel that we may be able to get to a compromise here in this area. And, again, I'm happy to, you know, defer on the Tri-City areas in other maps. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? I don't know if there is COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: something that needs to be done at some point with this. Because I think even if there is some way of bringing San Ramon into that area I still have a problem with it being linked with San Jose. I still think you're trying to put - It wouldn't be. It would be COMMISSIONER BARABBA: to the east. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: not MS. ALON: No, you have to - that's It would still be linked with southern CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 202 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 San Jose, the Milpitas area, possibly the Berryessa area would move into the Fremont-Newark-Union District. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: Yeah. But south of that would still be a part of the green district. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So you would only be getting this section between the purple and the green which would go up into the Fremont. There would still be a portion of San Jose that would be linked with that area. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: be in the green area. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Correct. And then you San Ramon and Dublin would would have to push - but you couldn't get all of San Jose back up into that district as a result. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I think by the time we start to look at this east-west configuration it functionally makes more sense in terms of what communities are linked. I agree with Commissioner Ancheta's point earlier that you really think about, you know, Milpitas and East San Jose connecting with the Tri-Valley, you know, people commute on that corridor but there is certainly not a strong community of interest between the two. But when you think about folks commuting back and forth the link down with San Jose proper makes more sense, which then allows Milpitas and Berryessa, et cetera, to be with their CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 203 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 community of interest in the Tri-City area. CHAIR ANCHETA: All right, do we have any strong sentiments at this point? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I still think this distinction between trying to get something in a Congressional and to release something in another district is not an either or, it's dealing with what we have in each district on a unique basis. Simply put, if an opportunity arises in a district to put a group together we will try and do that, if it doesn't we will try, you know, the best that we can. But it's not a switch here, We'll give you There is a very big context for this if you give us that. all of this. So I think there are people that have preferences for districts all throughout the state and we'll do our best. But what's driving it for me is not just a particular area that wants it in one district, it has to be based on what's best for the whole region in each district. So I can understand, I completely understand, but there is only so much we can do at times. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, I think with the discussion that we've had here that there is something that we can do. here - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Right. And I don't think it's what we're seeing CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 204 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: - I think it's the other alternative that Ms. Alon was speaking of and I think that it manages to balance a number of very large and competing communities of interest. And, you know, I would say move forward with this, not what we're seeing here but again this version that is the inland version, the eastern side and the western side, for lack of a better way of putting it. And that makes much more sense to me than what And, you know, we will cross the we had had initially. other bridges in the other districts when we get to them. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Can somebody repeat to me how the east-west would go again, that Commissioner Barabba and Commissioner Galambos-Malloy are describing? MS. ALON: It actually is up here. So San Ramon is in with the pink area, San Leandro is now in with the blue area. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Oh, I'm sorry. I think she was referring to this, if we were to link the Tri-Valley area looking farther inland. So not linking Tri-Valley area with Milpitas and Berryessa but going down into the more inland side. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: The way I would describe it is to include San Ramon and all of Dublin into what you are now calling San Jose - which would probably be changed to be called East Alameda - and then cutting off that green CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 205 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part, Milpitas, and to the left of Milpitas, put that into the Fremont-Union until they balance out. And then you would have an east and a west district that would be much more amenable to the people up in Hayward and everybody south there. face. CHAIR ANCHETA: west demarcation is. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: from San Ramon - COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: hills. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Using the hills. You would Roughly using the Well, you went straight down I'm not clear about where the eastIs that clear? You have that look on your keep San Ramon in the Livermore because you need the population, it's what we had before. And then you take Milpitas and have that replace San Ramon into the Fremont and Union district. CHAIR ANCHETA: downtown San Jose, go? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: know, I can't see it. COMMISSIONER FORBES: So is what you're saying I don't think it's - I don't So where does San Jose, the core then, San Ramon becomes green - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yeah. - and Milpitas becomes CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 206 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 purple? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Yeah. In just gross terms. Yeah. Okay, what about - Purple or pink? Well, I could - Whatever that color is. If you want to call it pink, COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER FORBES: I'm happy. MS. ALON: So this area that Jamie is circling is kind of the odd man out in that configuration? COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. ALON: It stays green. So it would be that Berryessa, Milpitas So then you would Or would area going into the purple probably. just kind of come down and get that green area? you want to go straight down instead, the more inland side, and try to get population that way? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: you can keep it, the better. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. ALON: Or suburban. The more rural and eastern Even if it goes all the way down to the Monterey County border? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: too far down, I would say. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 207 Well, then that's probably 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 point. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Chair, that was my How much population can you get from Livermore all You would have to go inland again at Morgan And that seems the way down? Hill, is what I'm looking at, and Gilroy. to be a much further stretch to get population and is far different than looking at the Milpitas and Berryessa areas attached - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Wait, wait. You're going to That's what the gain population from picking up San Ramon. key element is. Then you have to give up some population and you take Milpitas and you give it to the Fremont and Union District. It's as simple as that. Can I try to repeat the idea just to MS. CLARK: make sure that it's clear between the Commission and Q2? CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Sure. Which would be to add San Ramon and western Dublin, which is currently split in this visualization, into this district that is currently green called San Jose. And then to move population from Milpitas and this Berryessa area into this district, which is called Fre-New-Union. And perhaps for contiguity to add some population here in this area to sort of round out the district. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yeah, that's it. Yes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 208 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there. Barabba. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. Commissioner DiGuilio? So San Jose still stays in COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: the green? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Jose to San Ramon, yeah. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Right. So again you still have San But, wait - I understand, Commissioner You're taking 70 whatever thousand that is in San Ramon and just shaving off the bottom part of Fremont-Union into San Jose to take that population, whether it's Milpitas or - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Now blow it up. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Jose and put it - COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: It seems like You can't take all of San Pull up the San Jose area perhaps this is something that Ms. Alon could do a mock-up of. I don't know, it seems like at this point we have an idea of what the concept is but it may be helpful to see a visualization. Do folks feel like we have enough to be able to give direction and have them move forward with this? CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, let's take some more CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 209 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 comments. I would oppose this. Commissioner Blanco and Commissioner DiGuilio? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Oh, great. Parts of this are I think, And then I think about San Jose being with I mean, Pleasanton and Livermore and Sunol and I say, no. it just doesn't make sense to me at all to have San Jose with eastern Alameda County. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: If San Jose is 945,000 people how could it possibly be all of San Jose be in this district? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: it. CHAIR ANCHETA: No, but a large percentage of the So, Commissioner It's not, it's a portion of district will be San Jose-based. DiGuilio? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I feel like I understand the concept is a trade-off between San Ramon and whatever portion of that is in San Jose, the northern part. wouldn't support it. But I So I feel like if we need to give And maybe there is So direction, we need to make a choice. some type of motion that has to be made about this. both ways, I guess. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, I feel like we're really contorting here to try to accommodate a single large COI. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 210 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The previous, what we had before, at least kept most of Alameda County together and now we're - I think we are really running into a compactness issue plus very, very different communities, trying to put them together. wouldn't support this, either. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: all of San Jose in it. CHAIR ANCHETA: Jose would be in it. I wouldn't support it with So I I don't know how you do that. Yeah, I don't believe all of San But I think the majority of the population of the district would be San Jose, I believe, just given - okay. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: either. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so we have at least five or Then I wouldn't support it, six commissioners who would not support this alternative, which is significant enough that we probably couldn't go forward with it. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: San Jose. I think if we knew more about But I would like to know what portion of San Jose is in this district, that would make a big difference to me. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: be helpful. MS. ALON: Currently in the green you have I agree, that would Berryessa, you have the Golden Triangle, you have Little CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 211 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Saigon, you have Evergreen, you have the east foothills, Alum Rock area, eastern San Jose area, and just east of downtown San Jose. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Of the population exchange San Ramon is about what, 70-something it looked like? MS. CLARK: Including the western area of Dublin, it's between 90 and 100,000. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So what part of the green I'm assuming you part in San Jose would you have to take? would kind of move from that northwest corner because just for - MS. CLARK: It depends on whether you would want to keep Milpitas and Berryessa together or if you would want to move here. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: and Berryessa. So you could break Milpitas Because otherwise you would come down and wrap down into San Jose and back up the other side, right? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And that portion to the west, where it says Milpitas but to the west where it says San Jose, I believe you had mentioned that there wasn't a lot of population there. MS. ALON: Is that true? That yellow area there in the eastern side probably has about - that whole census tract, which goes all the way down at the inland area, has 1000 people. So that northern part, you're probably looking at about CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 212 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 400. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And what about the part on the northwest side, right adjacent to the raspberry pink colored area, where it says San Jose - no, to the left, to the left. MS. ALON: Oh, that has - Yeah, that area. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: MS. ALON: It's between five and nine thousand, I But it's not that many. don't remember the exact number. MS. CLARK: To address the previous question, in the San Jose District there are about 380,000 people from the City of San Jose, it's 40 percent of the city. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so it sounds like we don't Do we have significant support to go in that direction. have an alternative? original? (No response.) Do we want to go back to the Does anyone want to propose that, to go to the earlier visualization? (Inaudible comment from a commissioner, off microphone.) Right, it's the post-Barabba - COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Pre-Barabba. No, it's post-Barabba. Well, it was the COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 213 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 first Barabba proposal. CHAIR ANCHETA: All right, I'm sorry. The Barabba northern Alameda County, that one. MS. ALON: And just to comment also on this is that these configurations and where you're looking at kind of having to go south with Livermore, Pleasanton, Dublin are because of the lines that you drew previously that you said not to touch. So we looked at a visualization last week that had them in their own district going north with the San Ramon corridor and the Fremont area together but it was problematic in the Richmond area. So just to make it clear that there are ways of these two areas being preserved, just depending on the other decisions you make further north. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Let's go back to the posted visualization, is that correct? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes. Well, I mean, as we COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: talk about the different visualizations that we've done I think that the decisions we made just north of this area were sound ones. But, again, if there were a way - that's why I was reluctant to make so many hard decisions up north without having looked at the south. Because if there were aspects of what we decided that might be flexible in order to accommodate what we're seeing at the south end of the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 214 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 county I would like to think that we had not, you know, closed it down as such hard lines given, you know, what a fluid area this is between the different counties. CHAIR ANCHETA: Now, is this reflected - again, the first Barabba, the clockwise adjustment, is this - MS. ALON: This does not reflect the Barabba 1. But would the Barabba - the Barabba CHAIR ANCHETA: configuration, let's just use that term, the one that was posted, would that reflect the southern areas as well? mean consistent with that change? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: It hasn't changed. I In other words, can we look - (Multiple commissioners talking off microphone, inaudible.) Okay, I'm still the official speaker. all murmuring, it doesn't count. properly. So that's It wasn't recorded So the question is, again, we implemented or made some directions based on Commissioner Barabba's earlier suggestion to move a certain set of areas in a clockwise rotation. Would that visualization that we did look at be more useful than this one in terms of looking at the adjacent districts? MS. ALON: moving south. one. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 215 It does not impact any other districts So it doesn't matter, you can look at this 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so this one would be sufficient for us to look at. MS. ALON: As long as you can imagine San Ramon and this area going south and San Leandro going north, then you're fine. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, does that work for people in terms of discussion purposes? (Affirmative responses from commissioners off microphone.) Okay. Commissioner Barabba? But we also had Richmond COMMISSIONER BARABBA: coming over into Contra Costa, that's what started the whole thing. MS. ALON: Yes, that's right. Okay. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: this area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah, okay. Sorry, I just assumed we were done with Again, for purposes of discussion we are - if you're looking at FRENE and south and west and east just sort of imagine that San Ramon and San Leandro have switched a bit. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah, okay. But the remaining districts are CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 216 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 basically - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: The same. - as is. I just think this is COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: a stretch. I think we have very clear and consistent testimony about not linking over the hills and that's exactly what we've done here. And we've gotten that So I don't think feedback from both sides of the hills. this is a strong district. I mean, in terms of fair representation at the Congressional level, the interests of Hayward and Livermore are so different, so different. You know, I think even though we sent San Leandro north we even this morning had a couple of speakers from San Leandro speaking about their unique needs in that area. And it's drastically different from the testimony that we have had for many months from the east county area, from the TriValley area. And I just think this is a disappointing district and it doesn't really reflect my experience of Alameda County nor the robust COI testimony we have from Alameda County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, for those commissioners supporting the configuration, would you care to speak on this? Because we have to settle on something. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: It would be a lot easier if we could see what we actually did rather than - or is that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 217 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on a different computer, is that the problem? right. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? Okay, all COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Again I understand There Commissioner Galambos-Malloy's concern about this. are some very distinct differences. You know, as Commissioner Barabba said, there are some links. transportation does go back and forth. You know, And I don't think it's the most ideal district, but I think we saw the consequences of what happens otherwise and I just think this is the lesser of the harm that's done. It's not the best by any means but it's just the alternatives were unacceptable. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: really treading dangerous ground here. I think that we are Because this is a situation in which we are equating a transportation corridor with fair and effective political representation. I mean, we've had people come to our hearings and talk about, you know, challenges being from the inner bayside, being an urban resident trying to get jobs in the TriValley. You know, I've had personal and professional experience of challenges around affordable housing restrictions in the east county that have just very different growth patterns and interests and policies than they do in the urban areas. I mean, when I think about the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 218 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 west side and the east side of these districts, it's night and day. And I don't think it serves either side well. CHAIR ANCHETA: here. There is a great deal of silence I would like to get a sense that this is in fact supported by at least nine members of the Commission. Commissioner Filkins-Webber? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Although I recognize the concerns raised by Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, we've just explored all of these variations and we're also considering respecting county lines here in a county that would have a voice as a whole. Because I think in trying to consider putting together maybe one area of socioeconomic levels then it's to the lack of representation to other socioeconomic levels, especially if we consider those earlier iterations of putting the eastern side of Dublin-Pleasanton-Livermore all the way down to practically Gilroy. option. And we just don't see any other But these are residents that reside in the same county and based on our prioritization that we have and this considerable work and discussion that we have taken today we've really looked at various options here. And I think that at other levels we are able to respect the concerns that are mentioned and so we can balance out these concerns at the Assembly level and the Senate level but may be stuck at this point. But we are still respectful of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 219 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 county lines. Thank you. Commissioner Yao? I would like to echo that CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER YAO: message. issue. What exists in the district right now is a county The county itself has the difference in community of interest and to try to address it at the Congressional level when something exists at the county level, I find that maybe we are overextending our influence here. So I would like to basically stay with the configuration that we have now. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? Same comment on most of the COMMISSIONER DAI: county is together. Alameda is a big county, it has very We've tried to address it as best different parts to it. as we can here. I think we just have to acknowledge that we have some different communities of interest here but at least they are in clusters together. And I just think that, you know, with the units that we have for Congressional I think this is the best alternative of the choices that we've seen. And this is not going to be the But I first time that we're not going to like a district. think it's a reasonable district given that it's mostly an Alameda County district. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: clarify. I just want to We did not exhaust our options, we did not CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 220 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 consider looking north, we basically said every decision we made north stays. So this is an area where the Commission does have significant latitude in terms of counties and communities of interest are weighted equally in terms of our constitutional mandate. And so to acknowledge, yes, we've managed to respect some of the county boundaries but we've done so at the expense of a number of very significant and diverse COIs, I think is really a misstep. And I couldn't feel comfortable voting for this map. CHAIR ANCHETA: Just in saying that, do you mean for the - if this were to go into place you would not be able to support, let's say, a final map? particular district? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I would not at this Or just this point - I mean, I think there are other options we maybe have not looked at, looking at - in terms of just representing how the area actually functions. I think this idea of the 680 corridor, there may be other options that would impact how we were flowing north. But in terms of just looking at this district, I don't feel comfortable with it. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba? If we took that position on COMMISSIONER BARABBA: every district there would be hardly any that we would go along with because you just go right down California and CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 221 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 there are several districts that have very disparate groups in them, a couple of which I am familiar with. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Filkins-Webber? I am troubled by any COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: commissioner that contends that based on one district that we cannot consider voting on a final map, just simply because of one district. We are trying to balance a number of interests here and I don't feel that it was part of our recognition - all of our duties as a commissioner and the recognition that there has to be compromise. And although we may not be satisfied with some districts, I would never put myself in a position to consider not voting on a map just simply due to one district. So I would like to ask that my fellow commissioners keep that in mind, that this is a compromise of all interests and for the benefit of all the citizens of the State of California and not just one community of interest. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, now in terms of moving forward, at least from this particular visualization, maybe this is - perhaps, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, we could simply note it for the record that you would oppose this particular district and we could move forward, or we can call a vote and you can vote no, of course, on this particular visualization. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I mean, either CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 222 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 accomplishes the same thing. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I don't feel a need COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: to necessarily call a vote on it. I think I would be surprised if my fellow commissioners felt like that we had not been compromising all over the state as we've gone through looking at districts. My concern lies in that I don't really feel like we have exhausted the options of looking at the northern quarter or other options. I'm in the minority on that. Clearly, But I do think we could have done a better job with this district, significantly better. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And not in terms of COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: just this district but thinking of it as a region, which, you know, of course we've been doing. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Aguirre? Well, let me just chime in COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: on the issues that are being brought up by Commissioner Galambos-Malloy. And that is that, you know, the reality of a have-not district and a have district juxtaposed on a have-not district, is that typically the have-nots continue to lose out on political representation. So I don't know this area very well but the arguments that Commissioner Galambos-Malloy is bringing up in terms of fair and effective representation for those folks who have been CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 223 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 politically disenfranchised historically is a concern of mine. I know, I've driven through Hayward and those areas and I can see that they are very working class. Coming into San Jose from Sacramento a couple of weeks ago, driving through Livermore, Pleasanton I can see that that is a more upper income, more professional area of that particular county. So as far as - I don't have a solution to offer at this time but I'm concerned about that lack of representation for working class. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Blanco and then I think we should move on. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So I think my concern, besides the substance about this district having such different cities and communities in it, I guess I'm troubled by the same thing Commissioner Galambos-Malloy mentioned about the exploration of other possibilities. I think that it's a lot easier when we're in areas of the map like in the north where you have big stretches of very similar communities to some extent to sort of, you know, move around easily. I think once you get into these urban areas you really get into these situations where you have these situations of inequality in a county. And so to just say a county is whole really doesn't say much when you consider that, you know, communities of interest include CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 224 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 socioeconomic status, transportation, things that are meant to say, Are these people going to receive fair and effective representation if they are in a district like this? So I'm troubled because when we lock in everything else, which I know we have to because we've got deadlines, we've locked in things that at some level - I know it doesn't seem like it - but at some level seemed easier because we didn't have these complex juxtapositions when we're up in the MTCAP or on a sparsely populated area in Yuba. Here we start getting into really complicated And I think these are the situations that sort situations. of test our mettle about are we going to really try and deal with fair representation and not just geographic lines and sort of mechanical ways of trying to resolve problems. And so I don't want to move forward - I mean, I will go forward but I really feel like, Have we explored how to not have these areas become sort of the things we don't feel good about because everything around them is kind of settled? with. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, very briefly Commissioner But we have to move on. I think part of the And that's the thing that I'm having a hard time DiGuilio and Commissioner Barabba. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: issue is there is this idea that we could fix things maybe CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 225 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 by moving north. But I think if what we're trying to do is to put like a coastal district - if you're trying to get the Fremont-Newark-Hayward-Union City together and maybe looking to go north for population what you still do is you isolate population in the bottom of SANJO that will have to go somewhere. So whether you go east or west, if you cut the SANJO off you're still going to have the bottom part of that population that will have to be linked up and around. And that's the discussion we just had, right? So even if we were to look north at some options, if the goal is to try and link part of that then we've seen the trade-offs, right? The consequences of that. You can't isolate that portion in the south. So, you know, again I recognize - I think we could probably look to just about most places in the state and find places that have very different types of populations in them and I think as long as it's balanced to some degree then hopefully one group will not overrun the other one. You know, it's always a concern but I think as long as you're just not throwing one group in with a larger group and have fair and effective representation being taken away from it, it may be that two groups are going to have to work together. There's an idea. And, you know, I think to some degree this is always an issue when we are trying to balance things as CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 226 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 much as we can. But sometimes the consequences of that are more difficult than the issue you're trying to address in the first place. It's not a lack of recognition of the problem, it's that the consequences can be more painful than what's trying to be solved in the first place. CHAIR ANCHETA: will - COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: I'll pass. Okay, Commissioner Barabba then we Okay, so let's move over to the We west part of the bay just to stay within the region. can get into San Francisco and then - MS. ALON: instead? CHAIR ANCHETA: out or are you okay? MS. ALON: It's the same map. Okay. It's up to you. Do you want to do SANJO and go up Is that a switch- CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Which district did you want to do? Let's go to the San Jose one. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba, do you want to - (Discussion off microphone, inaudible.) Sure. Well, we've had - why don't you just quickly summarize the areas because we've got a couple of areas of Alameda County and then the heart of a lot of San Jose. you can describe what cities we're looking at. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 227 So 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (No response.) Tamina. MS. ALON: Oh, sure. Sorry. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: We have Newark and about 100,000 people And then here is Milpitas and the This triangle here is known as And in Fremont over here. northern part of San Jose. the Golden Triangle. Berryessa is right over here. then down here we have Little Saigon and Evergreen, which have to be kept together. This visualization was not able to keep east, kind of Alum Rock area, with the downtown, though the eastern San Jose area is whole and downtown area is whole, as is San Jose State. And this area here reflects the LGBT community, as was submitted the EQCA lines. So they are whole with the downtown. CHAIR ANCHETA: So the district as configured has a number of different sort of multiple communities of interest. We've heard from folks in the Fremont, Milpitas, We've heard from folks in the Although, again, some of Berryessa neighborhoods. east San Jose, Alum Rock area. the testimony would have liked to have linked downtown with east San Jose and, again, maintain the integrity of various smaller neighborhoods, including Evergreen, the Little Saigon commercial district. The LGBT area, which sort of goes into part of downtown San Jose as well - I'm sorry, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 228 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it's in the adjacent district, right? MS. ALON: Right. Okay, now is that why the east San CHAIR ANCHETA: Jose and downtown aren't necessarily linked, was it to maintain that particular - MS. ALON: Well, there are two reasons. If you were to add in more of this area and keep downtown then you would split Evergreen. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Okay. So this visualization was to keep these different neighborhoods whole if not necessarily together. CHAIR ANCHETA: And then you have part of Santa Clara, it looks like, for population purposes? MS. ALON: Yes. The Golden Triangle over here actually takes part of Sunnyvale and part of Santa Clara. And so there are those two city splits in order to keep that COI together. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: population. CHAIR ANCHETA: Any additional thoughts? Okay. And this southern part is just for Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I like what you've done in terms of the communities of interest within Santa Clara County, both trying to keep their integrity and then CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 229 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 trying to link up multiple of them. I still think on the north end if we look at where we ended up with the COIs on the north end we've split the Tri-City COI and we've put half of them with a disparate community on the east side of the county that doesn't really want to be with them and then we've put the other half of them in as a minor share in what's really a Santa Clara County district. So in terms of representation I am having trouble figuring out which of these districts the Tri-City area will actually get a fair shake in. CHAIR ANCHETA: It could be both. I mean, as we know, one of the challenges is that we have multiple AsianAmerican communities. And we've had testimony regarding the various Milpitas, part of Fremont, and then there is the Tri-City configuration as well. So, again, we're It is trying as best we can to reconcile the two. obviously difficult to try and accommodate because of the size of the asserted interests. This district, I think, encompasses at least one element of the Asian-American dimensions but obviously we've had a compromise in splitting Fremont. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And I think the additional piece that we have to acknowledge is that the connection between Hayward and the Tri-Cities in regard to the African-American and Latino communities we've also CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 230 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 split those COIs. CHAIR ANCHETA: Jose area? (No response.) What is the southern one called? down into Monterey as well? MS. ALON: No. Okay. Is that going Any further comments on the San CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: This ends at the county line, most of it, and then hopping over Gilroy. CHAIR ANCHETA: And just to note, Gilroy, I'm assuming, is also partly for Section 5 compliance. MS. ALON: Yes. So we have the remainder of San CHAIR ANCHETA: Jose. It tends to be more somewhat more suburban, Campbell A lot of and Los Gatos being more suburban communities. land, obviously, but sparsely populated. Morgan Hill being more of a bedroom community but also a transitional area going into San Martin and Gilroy. So starting to pick up agricultural bases but, again, largely the City of San Jose is built in here. And distinct in many ways from the As you adjacent district in terms of socioeconomic status. move toward those agricultural areas in the south, the income levels tend to drop. But Morgan Hill is still And a largely a bedroom community for the San Jose area. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 231 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lot of open space here. MS. ALON: That kind of captures it, I think. Mm-hmm. Okay, so SNMSC. Are we straddling CHAIR ANCHETA: our teams here? COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: A little bit. Maybe Commissioner Barabba can describe parts and Commissioner Dai can describe parts. Part of this is also sort of Silicon Valley or it's a strong Silicon Valley-based district. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: And in essence we've included the coast with the inner bay area, which I don't think we had much of a choice on. And we did a pretty good job of keeping those communities - we split a couple, as I recall. did we - MS. ALON: Menlo Park and East Palo Alto are whole What did we do with East Palo Alto and Menlo Park, and they are with Redwood City. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: Oh, sorry. Yeah, okay. Menlo Park has this odd little non-contiguous area which is not a part of the San Mateo District. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: Okay. So this has Sunnyvale and Mountain View together and I guess most of Santa Clara, there is a part of the - along with Cupertino. So I think CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 232 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the closest that we come to keeping the west valley cities together. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: Yep. And we have most of the Stanford area together, although it is split from Menlo Park and East Palo Alto. But the trade-off is that we are putting - we did get testimony about putting East Palo Alto with Redwood City. So in this incarnation we're putting them But, again, around the Stanford area you Menlo Park together there. have Woodside and Atherton together as well. would be the missing city in that incarnation but it looks like we - I seem to recall they were together before and that must have been at the Assembly level. MS. ALON: They were together before but then I was directed to move East Palo Alto back with Redwood City even if it included Menlo Park. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. You mentioned a non- COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: contiguous part of Menlo Park, I believe? MS. ALON: Yes, see this little bubble right here? Is there significant COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: population there? MS. ALON: Let me check. (Pause as Ms. Alon accesses database.) It's 4200. So about 13 percent. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 233 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I don't know that particular part of the Bay Area well so I would defer to Commissioners Dai and Ancheta, if you had any feedback about that portion. COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, I mean, I actually didn't think we gave that direction because I thought we had kept it together in another incarnation. Menlo Park and The Stanford and Atherton are pretty tied together. problem is, you know, East Palo Alto is in there as well. I thought we had a discussion last time that East Palo Alto also had a relationship with Palo Alto. thought we had left that. MS. ALON: This was a revert to the first draft So I actually maps so anything that was given in instruction last week kind of got erased with the revert. COMMISSIONER DAI: Okay. Because I would say that we have Emerald Lake Hills in there, that's probably more affiliated with San Mateo but that's not very many people so I don't know if that gets us much. North Fair Oaks, too, I think that's considered more San Mateo. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Mateo, Menlo Park. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, it's already split. How We could always split San many people are in that kind of finger down from East Palo Alto? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 234 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. ALON: Roughly 4000. So you could do an exchange with COMMISSIONER DAI: Emerald Lake? MS. ALON: another 3600. Well, West Menlo Park is here and that's So you would have to take Emerald Lake and split either Woodside or North Fair Oaks. COMMISSIONER DAI: So just to be clear, the 4000, could you mark where the 4000 is? MS. ALON: It's right here. Oh, it's that part there. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. ALON: It's separated by West Menlo Park. Right. Menlo Park itself has COMMISSIONER DAI: 32,000 people. I was just wondering if you were to reduce Yeah, how many are in that the finger, the blue finger. area? CHAIR ANCHETA: I mean, do you see any division between Menlo Park in terms of - obviously, East Palo Alto, it's a classic example of east of the freeway very different from west of the freeway. Park as well. divider there? COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, I'm thinking about the I mean, that part is very I don't know Menlo Is there a Is it similar in that sense? part that's close to Stanford. tightly aligned with Stanford and Atherton and Woodside. To be honest, I don't know much about Menlo Park that is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 235 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 east of the freeway. But I do think, you know, the So that's downtown area is where University Avenue is. kind of right now with East Palo Alto. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Commissioner Dai, would you consider using 101 as a split for Menlo park then? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes, that's a possibility. What I'm thinking also is that Emerald Lake Hills, I don't believe that's generally considered part of that community. It probably would make more sense to put that as part of San Mateo. That's four thousand-some people right there. Well, it's all San Mateo County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Do you want more of the coastal rather than the - COMMISSIONER DAI: I'm just saying it's not really part of that kind of Stanford area, that's a pretty tight community, that I'm aware of. Fair Oaks being part of that. I'm also not aware of North So I'm just thinking we might be able to put more of Menlo Park back with Stanford and Palo Alto. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I do think in a district of this size, a Congressional district, that the feedback we got from the public about having East Palo Alto linked with Redwood City, I think we should consider that just because parts of Redwood City and East Palo Alto are so different than many other parts of the district. would hate to isolate them. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 236 I 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 split. COMMISSIONER DAI: I'm not suggesting putting East Palo Alto back, I'm suggesting putting Menlo Park back. CHAIR ANCHETA: a direction? Okay, it seems like a - can we give Is there sufficient - You can't put all of Menlo COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Park back - COMMISSIONER DAI: No, you can't. - you have to cut it off. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: And I would suggest at the 101. MS. ALON: area back? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Just this finger, putting this finger Yeah. Right. If you can do a swap, I think. And that's at the 101. I think 101 is about the COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER YAO: midpoint of the finger there. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. ALON: No, it's right about there. Yeah, it's right about there. 101 is up here. Oh, is it? Yeah. Okay. COMMISSIONER YAO: COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: I think that's a reasonable MS. ALON: And where would you like to take CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 237 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 population out from in the gray district? COMMISSIONER DAI: Fair Oaks. MS. ALON: Okay. I'm not sure exactly how much But I will take Emerald Lake Hills and North population is in this area right here. first Emerald Lake Hills and then North Fair Oaks if I need more. COMMISSIONER DAI: place or is it a city? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Place. It's not a city. It's a census I think it's a place. And is North Fair Oaks a census COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: place, right? MS. ALON: Do we know? Yes, I believe it's a census place. Yep. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, because Menlo Park is a city and it's a pretty small city. CHAIR ANCHETA: on that? Okay, do we have enough direction Again, it's not a large change to the district. Is that sufficient to go ahead with this district? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: MS. ALON: Yep. Sorry, North Fair Oaks is a census place And this area is 20,000 people as is Emerald Lake Hills. so you would be taking North Fair Oaks, Emerald Lake Hills CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 238 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and probably some of this area in here. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: keep going north? Sounds good. Sounds good. Okay. Want to Okay with that? We still have to come back to Monterey, Commissioner Dai, but - so the SNMAT District, San Mateo. do you want to describe that? COMMISSIONER DAI: San Mateo County district. I'm sorry. So this is mostly a At the top end it maintains the API COI between South San Francisco, Daly City and Colma. It keeps the peninsula cities together and also most all of the San Mateo coastline, which we received testimony about as well. CHAIR ANCHETA: district? LGBT community, how is that in this Obviously, we're looking at the San Francisco District as well. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: in? you. COMMISSIONER DAI: San Francisco. So this top district is most of Can I ask to zoom Thank I think you're doing so, yeah, right there. And, of course, San Francisco is too large So it looks like to be in a single Congressional district. we put Lakeshore and Twin Peaks - yeah, if you could superimpose the EQ California lines it would be helpful. It looks like we have Diamond Heights, west of Twin Peaks, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 239 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Lakeshore, Outer Mission in with San Mateo. One slight discrepancy, I think we had Crocker Amazon going south before because that's kind of very similar to Daly City. just want to make sure we're kind of consistent with what we did with the Assembly. MS. ALON: iteration. Right. So this is the first draft map I And so we made a bunch of changes in the Assembly line. COMMISSIONER DAI: here? Did you make the same changes Probably, I think, you could swap out Crocker Amazon and then be able to go around those lines a little bit better. And that would respect both COIs better. MS. ALON: So the direction is to swap out Crocker Amazon from the San Francisco District and then in exchange follow the EQCA lines to try to maintain the integrity of this area, the EQCA area? COMMISSIONER DAI: of the API COI. MS. ALON: If Crocker Amazon is not enough Right. As well as the integrity population then Excelsior or Visitacion Valley? COMMISSIONER DAI: Commissioner Ancheta, I think to be consistent we should just equalize it as best as we can with Crocker Amazon and leave Visitacion Valley and Excelsior in there with Bayview? CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes, I would agree with that. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 240 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. ALON: Okay, so the direction is to take Crocker Amazon and follow the EQCA lines as much as Crocker Amazon's population will allow? COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. ALON: Okay. Thank you. I want to note, too, Correct. COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: that after we had had our previous direction given to San Francisco that we had gotten public comment regarding the possibility of Outer Mission also being linked. I know we had gone back and forth and made the decision on this iteration but Outer Mission actually does share a similar community of interest with the Excelsior, Visitacion Valley, Bayview side. CHAIR ANCHETA: definitional issue. So, for the record. And, again, this is sort of a Because very commonly Outer Mission sort of refers to a lot of area that would include Excelsior and Crocker Amazon and Vis Valley. We are using the planning name for it, that's actually a much smaller neighborhood definition. Again, the more common one would - it's almost sort of Bernal Heights south is sort of - running along Mission Street is sort of what's considered the Outer Mission. that. So I think we're capturing a lot of And, again, often the 280 is sort of a divider there where you might look at the way it splits the Outer Mission CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 241 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 neighborhood right now might be also part of that - or linked up with Excelsior and Crocker Amazon. I think for population purposes what we just instructed is probably a good way to go. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, we're not going to be able So I think we're trying to to respect both COIs exactly. do a little bit of a hybrid and hopefully the public will tune in and give us some finer alliance because it will be a compromise. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, again, this is the type of thing where I think if we go to next week we can - these are the kind of tweaks we can work with at the street level which hopefully wouldn't take too long. But it's that level and the basic framework of the district would be intact. Okay, so was Monterey the only one left over? MS. ALON: Yes. So we have Section 5 district, CHAIR ANCHETA: we're above benchmark, I believe? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: perfect district. Yep. This is an almost By the way, I notice on this map it Will they allow us to round up? I'm sorry, and I can't remember the shows 45.71 and not 46. CHAIR ANCHETA: - I always ask this so I should have the sheet in front of me. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 242 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BARABBA: 46, as I recall. CHAIR ANCHETA: I think the benchmark was No, I think it was 44 for Congressional, is that right? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: perfect district. COMMISSIONER DAI: the benchmark. CHAIR ANCHETA: And I apologize, I don't have my I thought it was 44. It's above If it was 44 we would have a notes in front of me in terms of the exact numbers. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: In any event, other than having to split the City of Santa Cruz, this district is pretty solid. Obviously, you wouldn't normally want to sneak into Santa Clara to pick up Gilroy but that was required to meet the CVAP, or VAP in this case, I think. MS. ALON: The benchmark is 44.16. 44. Okay, that's right, COMMISSIONER BARABBA: then we were at 43. Okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: about two points lower. The alternative was lower, it was COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah. We're up about by a point or - Percent and a half. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, did - So other than that I don't COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 243 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 think anybody would complain, but we're going to get a little heat out of Santa Cruz, but understandably so. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Commissioner Barabba, have you worked with Q2 on the street level detail of where we are splitting? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: I looked at it and they followed pretty much the river, as close to the river as I think she can get and still get the population. But it looks like that road there along 1, that's sometimes called the West Santa Cruz area. And so I think we will be - there is not a way to cut that city properly to keep everybody happy. I think. So this is about as close as you can get, We will probably get some suggestions but at least now they can actually see the streets when they go to these maps. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: this? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Yeah, the only thing other It's in the other district. It's in the other? Yeah. Where is the University in COMMISSIONER BARABBA: that is a difficulty, there is a significant Monterey Bay community that - not a community, it's a scientific center that's right there on the coast in the other district. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 244 But 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I'm sure they are capable of - they are tight with the University. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, did we miss anything? Whatever we missed we're COMMISSIONER BARABBA: going to hear. CHAIR ANCHETA: missed a district. No, just a district, we might have I just want to make sure we - The district is pretty solid COMMISSIONER BARABBA: other than that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Congressional? MS. ALON: Yes. Did we go all the way around the CHAIR ANCHETA: break. Okay, let's take a ten minute And try to keep it shorter, if we can keep it to We are way behind. five that would be ideal. (Ten minute break at 4:08 p.m.) Okay, we are back from our short break and we are now moving - we're behind schedule but I'm hoping that a lot of these very challenging discussions about many of these regions are not obviously settled but we've worked through a lot of the tough ones and that as we look at these districts at the state level that a lot of the issues have been worked through at least in terms of how we look at these districts. So, Commissioner Raya, do you want to chime in? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 245 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER RAYA: as we're going forward. I just wanted to make a comment This morning I made the observation that I hoped we were going to take the time to look especially at areas that are problematic for any particular commissioner. And I think what is concerning me a little bit is, yes, we know everybody isn't going to get what they want, we know that there are trade-offs, we know that there are consequences to different changes we might make and then we have to evaluate what are those changes. But I think there are different ways that you don't get what you want. Some people might not get exactly what they have in mind but they can fend for themselves, they can take care of themselves. Other communities might not get what they So I think it's want and may be left at a disadvantage. important for us not to lose site once we make - you know, start making those tough decisions. You know, let's not lose sight of our basic goal, which is to provide fair and effective representation. And if we need to do some hard work, okay, it's painful but that's why we're here and this is the last chance to do it. So I just ask that we give consideration to the real impact of some of our decisions and not just an easy, well, everybody has to sacrifice. Because in real life some people sacrifice more than others. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 246 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, thank you. And we are going to be more clock conscious as we go forward, obviously. But, again, I'm hoping that a lot of the harder questions we've been able to talk through and we can look at these state districts in that light. And, again, we will sort of go with the same sort of sequencing in terms of the teams highlighting. And, again, if you sort of say ditto in terms of what was in the Congressional, that's fine, too, in terms of just giving the basic description of the district. So shall we start? MS. CLARK: Northern California. Sure. This is the Assembly plan for Here in this I can describe it. DMNDO District the Counties of Del Norte, Humboldt, Trinity and Mendocino. Sonoma is split per CRC direction. Last time that I saw you the direction was to split the City of Santa Rosa, which was to avoid having sort of a hook/curl in this Marin District. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Forbes? That's good. You know, that COMMISSIONER FORBES: was the suggestion that we had made and you did a fine job. I think this is a good district. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, again, for the reporting purposes it's similar demographic and geographic interests there. So that can be sort of reinforced. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 247 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: We had lots of testimony about keeping Mendocino and Sonoma together. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, moving on. Moving onto this district called Marin, it's the entire County of Marin, Petaluma, Cotati, the City of Sonoma and southern City of Santa Rosa, and also Sebastopol. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Marin mine? CHAIR ANCHETA: Malloy team. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes. So that kept most of the I think that is the Dai-GalambosAgain, I don't think - is 101 corridor together, that was what we attempted to do with that reconfiguration. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: the Golden Gate Bridge. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, you can go back up north And again respecting again, north and eastward. MS. CLARK: If we look at this district named Napa, In Sonoma County it takes it is Lake and Napa Counties. Rohnert Park, Kenwood and then there is a split in Fairfield, it is split along the 80 and then down Pennsylvania Avenue, and also includes the cities of Vallejo and Benicia. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 248 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MTCAP? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Again, that was - we tried to keep the wine growing region - at least part of the wine growing region - with Sonoma. So we have Napa, Sonoma and Lake together, it's not all the wine growing area but a lot of it. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And remind me, we had Fairfield whole in Congressional, is that correct? MS. CLARK: Fairfield was split in Congressional. Split. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER FORBES: We looked at the streets and Pennsylvania was a good street to go down. CHAIR ANCHETA: district? (No response.) Going to the northern one, I guess. Is that also Okay, so we're okay with this MS. CLARK: If we look at this district, YUBA, it's the Counties of Tehama, Glenn, Yuba and Sutter, which are all whole. Colusa and Butte Counties are split. This Butte split is the same as last time you saw this district, the difference is that Sutter previously had been split and now Colusa is split per CRC direction. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Again we kept Sutter and Yuba The Colusa If you together like they had said they wanted to. split was just to be sure that that happened. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 249 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 recall, there was a finger that had gone up into Sutter County. district. CHAIR ANCHETA: benchmark is okay? MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, next district. And also a Section 5 county and the And it remains an almost exclusively agricultural CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: If we move onto this - Sorry, could I just ask one COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: very quick question? CHAIR ANCHETA: Sure. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Butte is that? So in YUBA, what part of I'm trying to see the communities exactly. Are those still valley floor communities? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yes, Chico is one. Oh, I see, yeah. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yes. And there is no way to split the - to fix the Butte split with the Colusa split? COMMISSIONER FORBES: No. Because Butte has way too many people, Butte has ten times the population of - COMMISSIONER DAI: So I know that we had chosen to split Colusa instead of Sutter even though Sutter is a much larger county. And I just want to make sure everyone is Colusa only has 21,000 people, it's still okay with that. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 250 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a lot smaller than most of the cities that we've looked at. And Sutter, I believe, further south has more kind of suburban new developments, the southern end of Sutter. I just wanted to check in and make sure that we're okay with this decision. county. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Okay, what is the Maybe We are splitting a very, very small So population - who is the population in south Sutter? we can look at that. MS. CLARK: The split previously in Sutter County It's about 13,000 went pretty much all the way up to here. people. The majority of the population in Sutter County is just right - COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: In the Marysville - - here. - Yuba City area. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Yes. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Yes. Which we kept whole. COMMISSIONER FORBES: One question: What was the population of Butte County that was not included in this district, do you know that offhand? MS. CLARK: One moment, please. COMMISSIONER DAI: So before we leave Colusa, again I can look in the County Splits Report. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 251 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I just want to make sure that we're comfortable with splitting a county that is only 21,000 people. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Commissioner Forbes, are I mean, I you familiar with the lower part of Sutter? think we had given - you know, going back and forth. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Well, it would like to be a suburb of Sacramento prior to the housing bust. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Again, I'm just trying to go off of Commissioner Dai's point of whether - again, trying to minimize the harm. The big part for Sutter and Yuba was to keep the communities of Marysville and Yuba City together. And I think we could - I mean, I think if you came COMMISSIONER FORBES: in in sort of a straight line, I think it was the finger component that was a problem. I think if you came up, you know, gradually from the south you could do that and pick up all of Colusa. But I was trying to see whether or not there was population in Glenn that could be traded out with Colusa. COMMISSIONER DAI: Butte, you mean? Yeah, Butte County, right. COMMISSIONER FORBES: And I didn't know whether that was - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: shift of population. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yeah, you have to have Yeah, but then you have a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 252 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 rotation, shifts. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: I think if - But there is only about 7000 - how many people are in the light green part of Colusa? COMMISSIONER DAI: 13,000 people. 13,000 roughly, more or less? COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DAI: basically. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yeah, half the county, I mean, if you wanted to shave off 13,000 of Sutter on the south you could do that and that wouldn't be a problem, I don't think. COMMISSIONER DAI: So that's what we had before. Right. No, we had a finger COMMISSIONER FORBES: that went up into Sutter County, it was not a sort of a straight line. COMMISSIONER DAI: Right, it can't be a straight line because it's very sparsely populated. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah. So - I don't think - I still think COMMISSIONER FORBES: this is better than the finger. MS. CLARK: Just to answer a previous question, this part of Butte County that is in the MTCAP District is approximately 20,000 people of 220,000. CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, I have concern about the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 253 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 finger. Because if you are splitting a county to make it more compact I think you're raising one criterion over another. In other words, we should try to fix the county If there is But if the split if it's for compactness reasons. something else going on, that's different. finger is simply a compactness issue then I think we ought to try to keep the county together. COMMISSIONER DAI: Right, which is the way that Ms. That's why - Clark had it when she showed it to us before. this came to me as I was trying to write the draft narrative example and I looked at the population of Colusa and said, Ooh, should we have split that? CHAIR ANCHETA: Is there something else going on with the finger in terms of any community of interest being split or - COMMISSIONER DAI: No, I mean, the Marysville area, So Yuba City area is kept whole in both incarnations. really it's a trade-off between splitting Colusa or splitting Sutter. And Ms. Clark had chosen to split Sutter because it's a bigger county. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Could I ask you two to just show us, remind us where the finger exactly would be and how far up it would go? COMMISSIONER DAI: as Colusa. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 254 It goes to about the same level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I just think with a county that small as Colusa it definitely falls in the category of the discussions we've had about trying to avoid splitting small cities as well. Of course, not knowing the county as strongly other than the connection between the two major cities, with Sutter and Yuba I would defer to Commissioner Forbes, but I would be interested in trying to reunite Colusa. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I mean, I don't think it's - I it's sort of a Tweedledee and Tweedledum kind of thing. don't think it's a problem to make Colusa whole and put the finger back into Sutter. CHAIR ANCHETA: one of the counties COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: One of them is split. Okay. We still have the split of at least - anyway. COMMISSIONER DAI: regardless. county. CHAIR ANCHETA: We will be splitting a county It's just that Colusa is a much, much smaller Okay. If the Commission feels COMMISSIONER FORBES: better about that, that's fine. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio? This goes back to my Is the southern COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: original question of Commissioner Forbes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 255 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part of Sutter more connected with that ECC District than the southern part of Colusa? COMMISSIONER FORBES: No, it's probably more considered with the WSAC District. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: go. Well - COMMISSIONER FORBES: I mean, you would commute Yeah, or whichever it would from Sutter County into Sacramento. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: then. Okay, I'm just curious, Because I thought when we were saying switching Sutter for Colusa then that southern part of Sutter would go into the - is it ECC, is that the correct label? MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay. As I recall, the issue was COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: the road that they had wrapped it around came down into Woodland rather than down into Sacramento. was like 99/70, they were not on that road. main north-south road into Sacramento. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: my original question. Which kind of goes back to As I recall, it That's the I can see some of the southern - I think this is why we made that decision originally, right? Was that the southern part of Sutter probably has more in common with Sacramento City but not necessarily with Yolo, Davis I'm assuming - CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 256 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: Right. So the question was, was COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: the southern part of Colusa more in common with Davis? COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yes. Because it's a choice of who is going with Davis more than with Sacramento. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Well, then that's correct. Now, if the original line had been coming down the 99, which is that road that bisects the southern part of Sutter County, you know, if you come down that road then you could hook that into Sacramento. connection. Because that's their There is not much connection down the other road that goes to Woodland, there's not much traffic down that road. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So even though Colusa is taking a bigger hit proportionate to its population, I think the question comes down to, even though it's split are there more commonalities with Colusa - COMMISSIONER DAI: And Yolo. -- and Yolo than with COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: southern Sutter and Yolo? COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: made that decision originally. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yes. And I think that's why we Right, and that is the case. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 257 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DAI: So that's what we need to articulate, is that we split Colusa not only for population but also because of its commonalities with northern Yolo County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Is that instruction clear? And can we state what those COMMISSIONER BLANCO: commonalities are? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Sure. They are agriculture of different kinds, rice and almonds. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay? Okay. So proceed? If we move on to this district, CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Sure. ECC, it's the southern area of Colusa County, all of Yolo County with the exception of West Sacramento, eastern Solano County, Vacaville, and Fairfield is split. And then also this delta area of Sacramento County and it moves into east Contra Costa County, picking up Oakley, it splits Brentwood, it does include Byron and Discovery Bay. COMMISSIONER FORBES: That's a good district. Not only is it an agriculture district that combines - keeps Yolo County whole, it's an agriculture district and also the delta is encompassed by that district in part. that's good. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 258 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 23,000. the 4. COMMISSIONER FORBES: I mean, we cut out West Sacramento, again, because that identifies with Sacramento. And, of course, Fairfield is split but that's a population issue. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: the split down Brentwood? MS. CLARK: (Pause) COMMISSIONER DAI: And I think the split is along One moment. How significant is MS. CLARK: Forty-five percent is in ECC, that is COMMISSIONER FORBES: Fairfield? MS. CLARK: Could you trade that out with If we traded - the split is similar in If we traded that out with population, I believe. Fairfield then we would have - COMMISSIONER FORBES: MS. CLARK: Have to come around. - to pick up population by crossing the Carquinez Bridge and splitting Martinez. COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: direction. COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: Ignore that comment. Forget it. Okay, ignore that potential Okay, we're good on that district. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 259 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: If we look at the MTCAP District, Siskiyou, Modoc, Shasta, Lassen, Plumas, this 20,000 people in Butte County. Sierra County is whole, Nevada County is Per CRC whole and this is eastern Placer County. direction, Lake Tahoe basin is split. COMMISSIONER FORBES: It has the same virtues as before, we've reunited the Tahoe with respect to counties, Truckee is whole, and it has the same standards that we had for the Congressional district. remote. It's mountainous and We did keep Siskiyou together. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber and then Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: And this was also in anticipation that we would link El Dorado and Placer at the Senate level, if I'm not mistaken, to keep Lake Tahoe whole. MS. CLARK: Yes. And I think also there is COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: an element of the communities that are know as the Mother Lode counties, El Dorado, Amador, Calaveras, Tuolumne. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. There is a split between El COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Dorado and Placer in some ways in terms of that Mother Lode distinction. So I think this gives them an opportunity to And, as Commissioner Filkins- be whole in the Assembly. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 260 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Webber said, they can be reunited in a Senate district. But we have heard some COI testimony, particularly recently, about those Mother Lode counties. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, next. If we turn to Sacramento County, this This Oak Park district, WSAC, is west Sacramento. neighborhood of the City of Sacramento and then the census places Antelope, Elverta and Rio Linda. COMMISSIONER FORBES: district of Sacramento. the streets look right. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Okay, next. MS. CLARK: If we look at NSAC, it's this west Any additional comments? Again, that's the core I looked at the streets in there, Placer County area, including Citrus Heights - no, I'm sorry, not including Citrus Heights. Including Orangevale, We heard some Folsom, El Dorado Hills and Cameron Park. COI testimony about keeping this Folsom Lake area intact. COMMISSIONER FORBES: district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so - I mean, Roseville, Lincoln, And, Again, that's an appropriate COMMISSIONER FORBES: up 80, right where the 65 is, Thunder Valley Casino. again, the Folsom Lake area is kept together. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 261 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I just have one COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: question. And, again, this might just be a micro issue, as to what the significance is of taking the line right into the lake. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yeah. Because it also COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: shows, at least on the Statewide Database, that you have Folsom Lake State Recreational Area - COMMISSIONER FORBES: Right. - and I suspect COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: there's not much in the way of population. But it may be a clean-up issue with Mr. Forbes later on. COMMISSIONER FORBES: natural hiking area. That's right. That's just a So that point could be flattened out. Again, that's something we can work CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Is - Is there a direction, actually, CHAIR ANCHETA: specifically? MS. CLARK: Yes, is there direction? Yeah, can you do that? Yeah, I had the same concern. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So I guess the direction would be whether that point that right now appears to go out into the lake, correct, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 262 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commissioner Filkins-Webber? same thing, I think. population there. COMMISSIONER FORBES: You and I are looking at the And there doesn't seem to be any No. Unless there's a COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: census tract and houseboat there that needs to be in Foothills. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So just the direction would be to try and flatten that point that goes into the lake and bring it in to just capture the population; what is actually the little tip, you know, that goes down through the recreation area and ends right at the tip of the lake without Summit Village. MS. CLARK: Okay. The point could be - okay, following - sorry, this looks crazy, these are the census blocks. Sure. I was just pulling that up to double-check I was just that that wouldn't isolate the City of Auburn. double-checking that the census blocks don't move all the way up here. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. But certainly I can do that. Okay, we can fix that and then we CHAIR ANCHETA: can move on to the next district. MS. CLARK: This district, ESAC, Citrus Heights, Arden-Arcade, Rancho Cordova, Vineyard, and then this east CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 263 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Sacramento County area, Wilton, Herald and Clay. COMMISSIONER FORBES: area. That's a Sacramento County Citrus Heights, Carmichael and Rancho Cordova are Arden-Arcade is a suburb. separate little small cities. But they are all suburb communities of greater Sacramento. The biggest concern with this one is - and we talked about this before - is that Vineyard is outside of Florin and Elk Grove. But that was a decision that we chose to make in order to keep Lodi and Galt, as I recall, in the district. Because the population would be distorted if you put Vineyard in with Florin, then you would have to get rid of Lodi and/or Galt and there was no good place to put them, as I recall. MS. CLARK: Yeah, that's right. Another option could be to move Vineyard into this district and then move population here in South Sacramento into WSAC and then either move this little area of the census place North Highlands or split the census place of Antelope to move into ESAC. COMMISSIONER FORBES: The only issue would be - and this is an open question - are you encroaching too far into the main part of the city? You see where it says Florin there, that is the - that's not terribly far from where we are now, several miles, but not very far. So if you begin to go north very far you begin to encroach into the city CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 264 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 proper. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: For those who know this area Okay, Commissioner Blanco then how does this SACEG district do in terms of the testimony we heard this morning, keeping Elk Grove and South Sacramento together? COMMISSIONER FORBES: Well, with South Sacramento there we got some emails regarding El Dorado Hills, which I didn't think made any sense at all. into South Sacramento there. clearly south Sacramento. But we are pretty far You see Florin, which is So Elk Grove and South The only Sacramento are connected in this map quite well. thing that's outside is (unintelligible as voice trails off). COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: There was a higher level of specificity in one of the emails that we got today, which talked about the areas south of Sutterville Road - COMMISSIONER FORBES: Right. - within Sacramento. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Is that currently reflected in this visualization, that that part is included down with SACEG? COMMISSIONER FORBES: I don't think it is. And I don't know that I would agree with that characterization. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 265 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I mean, I grew up basically a block away from Sutterville Road and that's not my perception of that part of the community. Florin. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, what I'm I think the community really starts from wondering, though, is that we have multiple layers of districts to work with - there might be different ways of characterizing the community - but do we feel confident that in either Congressional or Assembly or Senate, if this is how some members of the community view their community that we've offered that opportunity for them to be joined together in some map? Congressional level. COMMISSIONER FORBES: No, it did not. So it's not I didn't think it happened at the COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: happening at the Assembly level. So I would just encourage that we, you know, look to do it at the Senate level. And it might make a better argument to do it at that very local level if we're talking about communities that are connected at this geographic scale. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio and then Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think we had heard the gentleman, when Commissioner Forbes had asked him kind of what the northern boundary of Elk Grove linked with South CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 266 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Sacramento, I think Florin Road was a safe bet. now it is included, Elk Grove with Florin. So right But I am curious about the comment about maybe we could put Vineyard in. And I'm wondering how far you could bring that line down to Florin so that you would still keep the integrity of the Elk Grove with South Sacramento, as the gentleman had mentioned that would link it, that switch. I don't know if anyone else is interested or Commissioner Forbes, I just am curious in exploring that option as well if - COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: improve - COMMISSIONER FORBES: exploring. -- I think it's worth I mean - - we wanted to try and I just would then have to see how far north we had to go to get the population. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yeah. Because, for example, the South Sacramento area, the brown map, if you go up the 5 and you see this bulge out to the left, that's called the pocket area. Sacramento. You know, that's considered to be clearly I mean, they would clearly consider themselves Sacramento, they are not a part of Elk Grove. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So maybe it would work to the benefit to drop that line down and put the pocket with Sacramento? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 267 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Clark? COMMISSIONER FORBES: sure how you would. If you could. But I'm not I mean, you're adding - Then you would - I think COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Ms. Clark had mentioned there is a shift that would happen in the top of the West Sacramento District. COMMISSIONER FORBES: You could put Vineyard in the light brown, pull the pink south or the salmon colored south, and then take the Elverta-Antelope area and add that into the lavender. You could do that, that would probably More be a good move, actually, at least to take a look at. than take a look at. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Is that pretty good, Ms. MS. CLARK: Yes. Does that seem doable? Does everyone feel COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: comfortable with that? COMMISSIONER FORBES: think would be a good move. You know, that actually I COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: You had mentioned also, Commissioner Forbes, earlier today when we were at the Congressional level, this Arden-Arcade neighborhood, in discussion of the trade-offs between the two areas, would you think that northern area makes more sense to go into the pink area than does Arden-Arcade? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 268 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: take out of the pink? Um - hmm. Actually, are we trying to I think we're taking from the pink and putting into the purple. COMMISSIONER FORBES: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: Yes. Up in the north. So you would be more inclined to try to take the Elverta-Rio Linda, I think, and put it in the Arden. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: taking from Sacramento proper? COMMISSIONER FORBES: the core area. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER FORBES: which is good. You're trying to replenish. We're expanding the core, Right. I'm trying to protect Got you, versus But I would not want to take more from it at the same time. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So I think you are trying to replenish the Vineyard that was in the purple. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Got you. Replacing it up north. Okay, Commissioner Filkins-Webber? I had multiple As long as in COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: questions. But I'll just get to this point. this rotation, Ms. Clark, that Galt and Lodi are not CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 269 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 affected down in the brown - COMMISSIONER FORBES: Right. -- because I thought COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: we had this discussion last week. But if the population rotation is still okay, that Lodi and Galt are together, then I have no further comment. MS. CLARK: Yes, as long as the population moving from SACEG is going north then this Lodi to Galt area is not touched. CHAIR ANCHETA: wanted to bring up? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: When we get to the Did you have some other points you other - Commissioner Forbes had made a comment about El Dorado Hills but I don't think we're at that district yet. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, so is the instruction clear? I believe that the instruction is to move Vineyard into SACEG, to move population along I-5 in SACEG north into WSAC, and then to move population in the northeast regions of WSAC into ESAC. COMMISSIONER FORBES: CHAIR ANCHETA: on? MS. CLARK: Sure. We had previously discussed Maybe we could move onto the Okay. Correct. That's perfect. Shall we go this El Dorado Hills, okay. Foothills District. The City of Auburn from Placer County CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 270 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is included in this visualization, the Mother Lode counties, the Counties of Mono and Madera are intact. COMMISSIONER FORBES: Well, the northern part of that district is the Foothills District that we wanted to create. It's connected by Highway 49, it has very much the commonality of interest, dealing with forest fires and snow and recreation. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I think it's also worth COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: noting when discussing this district part of it is taken in consideration again when you have Merced Section 2 Assembly, Fresno, there are two Section 5's and a Section 2 in here. So you're trying to work around that and trying to keep the integrity of the COIs of those foothills and the remaining parts of the counties together. So I don't mean to skip ahead, but that's partly why these were linked and why in this case the whole of Madera County - while Madera County is whole here versus the split between the valley and the hills in prior iteration. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And Mono was generously COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: given over by Commissioner Dai and Commissioner FilkinsWebber. COMMISSIONER DAI: Foothills. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 271 Mono wanted to be with the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: yes, actually they did. COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Mono did, I have to say, It was not mine to give. Okay, let's continue. If we look at this district, STKTN, since last you saw it, Morada and Garden Acres have been returned to this district with the City of Stockton and that swap was for Lathrop, which is now back with Manteca and east Stanislaus County. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Again this was partly a result of the western part of Stanislaus County was linked with Merced to meet the benchmarks for Section 5. And therefore we looked at what would be a good partner with eastern Stanislaus County. County above. And really you had San Joaquin So what we tried to do was to maximize the connections between the south County of San Joaquin with Stanislaus County. As you recall, the one discussion was prior Lathrop was included with the Stockton District and the eastern part of that STNSJ District was brought in closer to metropolitan Stockton. But I felt that the determination was that the areas that they excluded, the Morada and Garden Acres that Ms. Clark mentioned, were more linked with metropolitan area. There is really no distinction between those smaller So we made the communities and the City of Stockton. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 272 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 decision to switch out Lathrop back in with the south counties to maintain the integrity of the greater Stockton area. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, very good. Next. So again a lot of this was just described, STNSJ is east Stanislaus County, the City of Modesto is split, it does include the City of Turlock, which is whole, Manteca and Lathrop and Escalon from San Joaquin County and it moves all the way up in eastern San Joaquin County to the Sacramento County border. CHAIR ANCHETA: something? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yeah, I think it's the same Commissioner DiGuilio, do you have situation again, trying to partner the eastern part of Stanislaus County without having city splits in San Joaquin County. The only thing, you know, if I could I would like to bring that northern boundary, including Lockeford and even down into Linden, with Stockton. But I think the result would be you would have to split the City of Tracy. So I think at this point I felt more comfortable with some of these smaller communities being able to be linked together on the eastern part of both of these counties and to not split the City of Tracy. CHAIR ANCHETA: have a point? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 273 Okay. Commissioner Blanco, did you 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I wanted a little description of where and how and, you know, what was our thinking on where we split Modesto. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: benchmark, I believe. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: the city? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. CLARK: layer on? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I'm looking at them, I don't Oh, I'm sorry. I know the reason. Where in That was for Section 5 Would you like me to put the streets know - it was more an explanation of the thinking behind which streets were used as the dividers between the two districts. MS. CLARK: I've had no direction from the Commission on where to split the City of Modesto, except in trying to boost the VAP numbers for Black and Asian populations. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And this was one, as you recall, we have gotten a lot of feedback that we did split the county well in terms of Ceres and the western part of Modesto being with western Stanislaus County. And I think, again, Ms. Clark had - it's split this way just to try and reach our benchmark in balancing it with the least amount of dissecting of the City of Modesto. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 274 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Do any of us - I'm only I would like slightly familiar with the City of Modesto. to - in other places where we've done city splits we've had people that know the area look at it to say, Well, yeah, this is a natural division in this city, or it's not. You know, we've had some thinking, we haven't just, you know, done it without some thought. So I think I would like to - maybe we can do this next week because we will try and keep the population the way we have to for Section 5. But maybe we could do something to have - do some research or something that gives us some basis for where to divide the city. The reason I feel strongly about that is, I know there are a lot of issues in the City of Modesto, it's a city that has a lot of unincorporated areas within the city, they are like little - you know, people refer to the City of Modesto as being like a Swiss cheese. And so within the city you have places that aren't in the city and then you have, as in other cities, sort of east-west, sort of wealthy-less wealthy. So there are a lot of tricky There is litigation because I know there is a issues in the City of Modesto. of this in the City of Modesto. discrimination lawsuit in that city about some of the divisions. So I would like for us to be mindful of that if we could do something before the next iteration. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 275 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes, and this is the kind of sort of street level checking into - and, you know, an invitation to public comment as well that's appropriate for the next round. Because, again, the basic configuration we're feeling comfortable with but an appropriate street or shift might be worth looking into. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And maybe if Ms. Clark in preparation for next week can tell us how much wiggle room we have even to work with. MS. CLARK: groups, or - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm assuming that the split As far as population or all of the VAP in the greater Modesto - I see that the downtown Modesto and up McHenry is all intact. But I'm just wondering based on your experience if there are areas for us to consider moving that around and you would still be able to reach your benchmark, where that would most likely take place. MS. CLARK: I think that there is room to meet the The Latino VAP benchmark and move the lines around a bit. visualization of right now is based on direction trying to boost the Black VAP and Asian VAP numbers. So if those don't need to be regarded as much as the Latino VAP benchmark, then there is room. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So you're saying part of the split is because of trying to - even though we CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 276 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 retrogressed in API VAP that we would retrogress more - it would be more damaging to the Black VAP and the Asian VAP? MS. CLARK: Yes. Previously the split in the city It was was closer to following the 99 and also the 132. just - right, it was more straight lines, I guess, than right now. And then I received direction from the Commission to boost the Black VAP and Asian VAP numbers and that is how the split came to be as it is now. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: So maybe we need to talk to Mr. Brown about - because I know there has been some - you are concerned about the reduction of that VAP in those other areas besides the LVAP so maybe that could be something we could flag for tomorrow's question. CHAIR ANCHETA: Sure. Just to see. Okay, thank COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: District. Okay, let's move on. Next is the Merced Section 5 Assembly It's the entire County of Merced and west Stanislaus County, again Modesto is split. CHAIR ANCHETA: Any further narrative beyond the Section 5 considerations? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think we've had this discussion kind of early on and I think people probably understand and feel good about - well, as good as it's CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 277 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 going to be for - yeah. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. If we look at this district, FSEC2, this district is the western County of Fresno, the south Fresno COI is intact and then it extends past the 99 to pick up some cities here. CHAIR ANCHETA: VRA issues here. COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes, I think it would be Anything else to add. There are appropriate to note it's between two Section 5 counties as well. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Aguirre? Does that include Sanger? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: MS. CLARK: Yes. Next, if we look at this district, FRSNO, it's eastern Fresno County and the remainder of the City of Fresno, and for population moves into northern Tulare County. I should say for population and also so that Inyo can fit with TLRE, which we will get to in a second. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Again I think this was a result of being next to the Section 2 districts and basically we had the Foothills in the northern part. So it was a way to try and keep the City of Fresno and the county as closely linked as it could and for population went up into Tulare. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 278 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Assembly District. Okay. Are we ready to continue? Sure. This is the Kings County It's a Section 5 district, the entire county of Kings, northwestern Kern County and then the City of Bakersfield is split. This visualization includes the farming communities in Bakersfield and outside of Bakersfield. CHAIR ANCHETA: Again, a fairly stable district Next. drawn to meet benchmark for Section 5. MS. CLARK: This district, TLRE, is most of the County of Tulare, all of Inyo County and then some areas in north Kern County. CHAIR ANCHETA: deviation, right? MS. CLARK: Now, this is very close to You're right at, close to one percent? Yes, to fit Inyo County this district south of it is closer to zero percent and this line could be moved north to sort of even those out, make them both closer to 0.5 percent. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And on that eastern side of the purple district, that's where we have the China Lake, Ridgecrest, that whole eastern portion, is that correct? MS. CLARK: Yes. Don't touch it. So if we do move that line COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 279 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 up that you were just suggesting, would it better link Ridgecrest on its way down into Bakersfield, then? MS. CLARK: I believe that COI testimony said that this line - or, I'm sorry, this highway, the 14, is more of the transportation corridor. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER DAI: Okay. We had talked a little bit about picking up some of the other communities there perhaps to make the one down, the purple district, a little more compact. How would that affect - I think they are relatively small communities there. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Kern - MS. CLARK: Do you mean the Lake Isabella area? Right. As I recall, we did So closer to the Tulare- COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: talk about that last week with Onyx and Lake Isabella. COMMISSIONER DAI: people? MS. CLARK: be too many people. I believe that all of this area would But, yeah, I could look into just So would that - is that too many taking some of them and moving it into here. COMMISSIONER DAI: deviation. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, so that's the direction, just Yeah, that would equalize the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 280 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to try to equalize the deviations between the two districts. Okay. Next is this district, BKRFD. It does MS. CLARK: have Ridgecrest and China Lake, the majority of the City of Bakersfield, Tehachapi, it follows the Tehachapi Mountain Range and then picks up Taft and these areas near the San Luis Obispo County border. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I think, again, only for population that southeastern part of Kern County was - I think, I'm trying to remember right, if it was linked up with the high desert. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: High Desert District, yeah. That's right. Okay. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: If we look at SLOSB, the only change in this district - this is the entire San Luis Obispo County and then Santa Maria down through Vandenberg Air Force Base and the City of Lompoc. The line has changed here in Los Padres National Forest, this is just how the blocks look, this is attached to a much larger block. And the attempt here was to pick up the Santa Barbara-identified area of Los Padres National Forest. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: the Lompoc split also? MS. CLARK: Lompoc is now whole. And there was an issue with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 281 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: MS. CLARK: Yeah. I believe that there are some non- contiguous zero population blocks here. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: with being whole. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Very happy. Yeah. Yeah, thanks. And I think they were happy Do we have any further narrative on (No response.) Okay, next. MS. CLARK: If we move onto this district, SBWVE, it is the majority of Santa Barbara County, it includes Buellton and Santa Ynez and then Carpinteria, Goleta, the City of Santa Barbara and includes the Santa Barbara and Ventura County Islands. In Ventura County the Piru to Santa Paula corridor is intact and it also includes the City of Ventura and the City of Moorpark, the Santa Rosa Valley is included. Oxnard and Port Hueneme are not included in this visualization. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: And even though there was some COI testimony and concern about the Santa Clara Valley being with the Oxnard plain, still in looking at how the population, you know, rolls down it just - I think this is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 282 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the best that we can do. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think this also prevented earlier - in the earlier visualizations both Thousand Oaks and Oxnard - COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Were split. - were split. And so this option prevented both of those from being split, even though it did again link maybe Moorpark and eastern Ventura County with Ventura. It was an effort to minimize the splits that were happening between Oxnard and Thousand Oaks, and Oxnard away from Port Hueneme. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: There is also a strong connection, a strong agricultural base between the Santa Clara Valley area. Some of the - on the outskirts of the City of Ventura, along the Santa Clara River and then Santa Maria certainly is a very strong agricultural area. there is a relationship there. CHAIR ANCHETA: the next district. MS. CLARK: District. The last one for me is this EVENT Okay. Very good. Let's move to So The City of Oxnard and Port Hueneme, El Rio, Camarillo, Casa Conejo, Thousand Oaks, Westlake Village and Oak Park are included in this visualization. city splits. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: And the previous iterations There are no CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 283 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 split Oxnard and Thousand Oaks and I think this corrects those splits. Also Simi Valley, there was concern with either 2000 or 7000 people that were, you know, split out from the city and this also keeps Simi Valley whole. CHAIR ANCHETA: want to add? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: I just have a Commissioner Filkins-Webber, do you question and just again to reinforce what the basis has been for our decision as I've been swapping on the Statewide Database between a number of districts, even though I know we don't have the rest of Los Angeles on here. But, if I'm not mistaken, most of the iterations that we have and most of the districts we've looked at have split this eastern Ventura County. In particular, Simi Valley, Moorpark, Thousand Oaks, which we have received quite a bit of community of interest testimony as well as their link to the Santa Clarita Valley. And so I just want to recognize, unless there was some option either at a Senate level - but it looks like in the Congressional we weren't able to do that, either, except to put Simi Valley with Santa Clarita. At any of our levels do we have a respect for that community of interest or was there just too much in the way of population between Simi Valley, Moorpark and Thousand Oaks? MS. CLARK: That's right. There are no CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 284 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 visualizations in which Simi Valley, Moorpark and Thousand Oaks are together and with the rest of Ventura County. There are hard lines for Assembly and Congressional between Monterey County and San Luis Obispo County as Monterey County is a Section 5 county, and also hard lines between San Luis Obispo and Ventura and Kern Counties. So the population has to move south, this way along these coastal counties. And basically the balancing act is trying to, of course, keep all of these COIs intact but also when that is not possible because of population restrictions to keep the cities intact as much as possible. CHAIR ANCHETA: then Commissioner Yao. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I think to answer Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio and Commissioner Filkins-Webber's question, I believe in the Congressional all the county is together with the exception of Simi Valley. And then in the Senate I believe the eastern Ventura County is together; Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley and Moorpark, it was that question that we've had as to where to pair them. Prior we had paired them with Malibu and I think, you know, one of the things we had looked at was trying to pair that eastern Ventura County with Santa Clarita. So I'm sure we will be able to see the outcome of that tomorrow. So I think there is different points when they are CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 285 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 together in different ways. And, again, I think the one where the eastern Ventura County, Moorpark, Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks were trying to be paired together more in the Assembly and it required a split both of Thousand Oaks and Oxnard and maybe even a little bit of Simi. lot of splitting going on. minimize the cities. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Yao? You know, even though we kept There was a So I think this is a way to COMMISSIONER YAO: Moorpark whole, all the cities that Moorpark is connected to, Simi Valley to the east, Thousand Oaks to the south and, going around the lengthy way, Oxnard to the west are all in different districts. connected to anybody. So Moorpark is really not Going north you have to go through a So it country road before you can get up to Fillmore. really is just totally isolated. If there is anything we can do about that, put them in one or the other county probably, would be a lot better than leaving it the way it is. MS. CLARK: The alternative to this would be to split Oxnard, Camarillo, Thousand Oaks or Simi Valley. COMMISSIONER YAO: So not splitting a city versus keeping Moorpark isolated, those are the trade-offs that we have to do? MS. CLARK: Yes. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 286 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BARABBA: whole, too. COMMISSIONER YAO: We are also keeping it Well, that's what I'm saying. Keeping it whole is the only reason we are keeping Moorpark where it is. And where it is right now, they are just totally isolated, period. There is nobody that they can reach within their own district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Forbes? Yes, I'm not advocating this, COMMISSIONER FORBES: but, Commissioner Yao, would you consider it better to have Moorpark connected down those highways - those red lines, I guess, are freeways - down to Thousand Oaks and split Oxnard? I mean, Oxnard is a city of 200,000 people. And when we have had cities of that size they have been difficult to keep together. trade-off. COMMISSIONER YAO: Yeah, in my opinion that So that's just a possible probably would be a better choice than it is to leave a city of 34,000 just completely isolated from everybody. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: I'm not sure I understand That's where the city Commissioner Barabba then what isolated means in this case. is, it's been there forever, and as far as the representation that's up to the elected official to get to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 287 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 them. I don't quite understand what you mean by isolated. COMMISSIONER YAO: Well, in terms of community of interest it's difficult for me to see that Moorpark has community of interest outside of the neighborhood cities that they are connected to. So if you can argue that Moorpark is connected better with the rest of the district as compared to connecting with the three cities I mentioned, then so be it. Otherwise, I think we kind of turn them off by basically isolating them from everybody. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: We might ask Commissioner Aguirre what his impression would be. CHAIR ANCHETA: that. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: I would say that Moorpark is Why don't you go ahead and address kept whole and it's kept together at least in the Congressional district that we've seen previously as part of the east Ventura County grouping of cities. And then on the Congressional level it's part of the Ventura County area as a whole together with Thousand Oaks. So it might look isolated at this level but certainly on the other two levels it's not only made whole but it's directly linked with Ventura County. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio and then Commissioner Filkins-Webber. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I was just going to add, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 288 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 too, that the 118 there, I've taken that between the Santa Paula-Ventura border up through Moorpark quite a lot. It's a bit of a dangerous route when you get to the western part because there are a lot of commuters going very fast on a two-lane road. But there are a number of people that commute the back way from Ventura to Moorpark and Simi Valley to avoid the 101/405 interchange. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes, they do. Commissioner Filkins-Webber, did you want to add something? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Just based on my familiarity with the area as well, I concur with Commissioner Yao. And I am a little concerned about it. It may also be reflective of what we've heard in the discussion about a fair and effective representation for that community in comparison to the rest of the community. But I'm not certain if Ms. Clark has looked at any options. Again, this is an area that we've heard a lot about and an area that we've probably worked on just as much as looking at the Tri-Cities area. So have you considered the possibility of either putting Moorpark with Simi or Thousand Oaks? does result in a split is it in Oxnard? And if it Which, again, I think looking at a city that's nearly 200,000, we've considered that in other counties, cities that large, such CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 289 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 again as Riverside, for instance, or Irvine for that matter, have been split in order to respect smaller cities such as Moorpark. So what have you looked at as far as options in that regard? MS. CLARK: Previous visualization that we have If looking from this shown have Moorpark with Simi Valley. visualization, though, and moving from this visualization then depending on whether the Commission wanted Moorpark to be with Thousand Oaks or Simi Valley, then Oxnard either way could be split. If it was moved with Simi Valley, then If it was moved with Thousand Oaks could be split. Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley could be split or Camarillo could be split. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Dai? I'm just going to say that, you COMMISSIONER DAI: know, I think it's more fair to all cities if they are not split. I mean, Moorpark is part of Ventura County. So, I mean, if we have to choose between splitting another city, you know, I think that's great for Moorpark, it's not great for the other city. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Galambos-Malloy? Is there a specific COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: alternative that Commissioner Yao or Commissioner FilkinsWebber would be interested in? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Well, this was what I CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 290 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would be thinking. Excuse me and correct me if I'm wrong. And, again, I get confused in this population flow, clockwise and counter-clockwise, so tell me if I'm wrong here. But if Moorpark goes down the Thousand Oaks and is together with Thousand Oaks then where - and you do it in a counter-clockwise direction, what does that affect? MS. CLARK: would want to split. That just depends on which city you If you want it to be - if Moorpark is going with Thousand Oaks and you just want the trade to be between these two districts, then, again, Moorpark with Thousand Oaks, Camarillo would be split taking approximately 40,000 people or so into this district. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: take 40,000 people from Oxnard? MS. CLARK: Right, or Oxnard. If you wanted to do Well, then could you a three-way rotation then that's possible, too. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: That's where the split of Simi Valley and Thousand Oaks would be if you do a three-way in that corner. MS. CLARK: yeah. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Okay. So I guess the Which then would - But, It would just be Simi Valley. proposal would be is if Moorpark was with Thousand Oaks in EVENT then the split would be at Oxnard, which is a city that's 200,000. And what the potential ramifications would CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 291 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be in that regard, again, recognizing that larger cities potentially could be split. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: we did split Ventura, is that correct? MS. CLARK: No. No? Ventura is Can I just confirm, COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: whole on this visualization? MS. CLARK: Yes. That's right. CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER RAYA: Okay. We had COI testimony about So I would want to particular neighborhoods in Oxnard. hear from Commissioner Aguirre about where there might be a reasonable split, if any, in Oxnard. COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: Yes, it's a hard call because Oxnard historically has been split three ways with districts not only coming from the north but from the south. So the testimony that I recall was that they have not been adequately represented for, you know, any decade and that indeed they are looking forward to being whole for the first time ever in Assembly districts. As far as where a likely split would be, when you look at Oxnard, even though it's 200,000, you know, it's a low income area along with Port Hueneme, which is one of the poorest neighborhoods on the west side. On the east side is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 292 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 primarily agriculture and that's where the more heavily low income area, south and east side of Oxnard. It's really up above this - you know, it's really up above Gonzales Avenue. So perhaps, you know, maybe Gonzales Avenue, west and north of - west of Oxnard Boulevard and north of Gonzales Avenue would probably be about the only place that would not disenfranchise the low income community in Oxnard. CHAIR ANCHETA: Can I get a sense of how much support there is for this proposal to sort of connect Moorpark with the surrounding cities, versus the current visualization? here. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I would also. I mean, you I would leave it as it is. I'm not sure I'm getting a sense of numbers COMMISSIONER FORBES: have two cities that are complete, why would you split one just to move one from one district to another? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think we can recognize that maybe that is not ideal for in some ways Moorpark but I just think the trade-offs for splitting Oxnard or Camarillo, we have whole cities and I don't think there's a reason to do that, to do harm. COMMISSIONER YAO: It's a toss-up for me also. But CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 293 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I do feel we need to discuss it as compared to just - CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I'm getting a straw poll that is basically supporting the current configuration. Commissioner Blanco? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I have to say that I am a little concerned that this nucleus of these three aren't together. Are they together in the Senate? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, that's - because MS. CLARK: COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I am concerned that we haven't been able to keep them together, but if they are together in the Senate I guess it's better than to split cities. COMMISSIONER YAO: Yeah, but worst of all is they are in three separate districts. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: it's a little difficult. CHAIR ANCHETA: I agree. I'm not - I think I am not happy with it. Okay, I think I have at least nine people want to go with the current configuration. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Commissioner Aguirre, can I just ask the question one other way? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: in Moorpark to split Oxnard. Yes. You know, we've said to put But there is also an issue on the table, we could put Moorpark in and split Camarillo. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 294 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It's - COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: That's another possibility. CHAIR ANCHETA: heads on that one. I'm also getting a lot of shaking I can see all of you. Camarillo along the 101 is - COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: even though they are connected along the 101 freeway, they are surrounded by agriculture actually. So in that sense it's a hard call to split up a city that's like that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, based on the number of heads shaking, we're going to move on. MS. ALON: Okay, driver change. For Assembly I received direction only to change parts of San Francisco in my region and so I will put these up for a description but I have nothing further to add. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, again, just for purposes of documentation we can do sort of a quick run-through so we're making sure that we are all on the same page. MS. ALON: Okay, this is the Monterey District, which takes in most of Monterey County and San Benito County is whole and then comes up into southern Santa Clara County and the very corner of Santa Cruz County, including Watsonville. This was taken in order to get up to the LVAP population needed because it's a Section 5 district. CHAIR ANCHETA: anything to add? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 295 Okay, Commissioner Barabba, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BARABBA: think it's a good approach. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Given the conditions, I COMMISSIONER BARABBA: district right over. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Okay. It relates into the next This is the West Monterey District, And so it which also has to meet a Section 5 benchmark. has taken the coastline here of Monterey County and then the vast majority of Santa Cruz County, including the whole coastline and the whole Monterey Bay, which is not split, and then comes up into Santa Clara County into just a few communities here in San Jose. And I also should mention that in the Monterey District we have the Morgan HillGilroy-San Martin area all together in one district. CHAIR ANCHETA: And that's been supported by community of interest testimony, right? MS. ALON: Yes. Okay. Capitola is indeed the center of CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER YAO: the universe, isn't it? COMMISSIONER BARABBA: COMMISSIONER RAYA: CHAIR ANCHETA: final draft, of course. It has always been. More so now. We'll see if that makes it to the Every place is the center of the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 296 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 universe, it depends on your perspective. additional comments? (No response.) Okay, let's keep going. MS. ALON: Okay, any SILIV, Silicon Valley District, has Santa Clara, Cupertino, Campbell, Saratoga, Los Gatos and Lexington Hills, it comes down to the count border here, was not able to preserve the Golden Triangle here but does preserve other neighborhoods in San Jose in the neighboring districts. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, again, I think this is fairly consistent with some of the Congressional lines, smaller district, of course. You know, I think ideally trying to link Sunnyvale and Santa Clara in the Triangle would be great but we are shorter on population here. MS. ALON: Okay. This is the South San Mateo District so it comes down to the county line for San Mateo, takes Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton, Stanford, Woodside, Los Altos, Loyola, up along the freeway and then comes up and keeps most of the coastline together in the western part of San Mateo County and takes Half Moon Bay and El Granada. CHAIR ANCHETA: Anything to add from the team? It looks like the Stanford COI COMMISSIONER DAI: area is together and Sunnyvale is at least with its sister CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 297 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 city, Mountain View. MS. ALON: district. COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Nice. And Menlo Park is not split in this Continue. Montara This is North San Mateo County. and Pacifica and going from Brisbane down the freeway to Emerald Hills, San Carlos and Redwood City. There is a city split in South San Francisco, which was done for population reasons when you are coming from San Francisco. COMMISSIONER DAI: It keeps all the rest of the peninsula together, looks good. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Okay. This is the West San Francisco District and it takes the Farallon Islands, which is where my little label must have gone, there you go. And it comes down to Daly City and a little part of South San Francisco. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Would you mind zooming in on San Francisco a bit more so we can remind ourselves of the division? COMMISSIONER DAI: So this keeps most of the API COI together between Daly City and South San Francisco and Crocker Amazon area. We did move - last time we moved Excelsior and Vis Valley over to be with Bayview in the East San Francisco District and made some adjustments, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 298 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 moving the Marina and Pacific Heights over and part of the Western Addition over into the Western District. respects the EQCA lines. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I remembered we had It also had some split neighborhoods on the northern side of San Francisco. With making those adjustments on the north and south side are those neighborhoods now whole? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yes, except for Western Addition, which is a very large diverse neighborhood. COMMISSIONER YAO: Hill over to the west side? thoughts earlier. COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER YAO: COMMISSIONER DAI: compromise line. No, we didn't need to. Okay. And, again, this is a bit of a We didn't need to move Russian I thought that was one of our But I think it's pretty good. Okay. And, again, so the LGBT CHAIR ANCHETA: community of interest and then various Asian-American interests on the east side. COMMISSIONER YAO: Just a question. Is there any benefit in terms of where to put the Golden Gate Bridge, or do you include it with San Francisco or include it with Marin? MS. ALON: Benefit to who? Benefit to who? COMMISSIONER DAI: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 299 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 which - COMMISSIONER YAO: the question. Either party. I'm just asking I don't know whether there is any reason to Obviously, there are no put it with one versus the other. people on it. COMMISSIONER DAI: There is a contiguity issue so we're putting it with the side it's contiguous to. CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, let's check into that. But, obviously, there is a regional authority that governs the bridge. sure. But how it's affected by state policy, I'm not That's something we can look into. COMMISSIONER YAO: In other words, we have the Assembly, we have the Senate, maybe we can put one with one and one with the other, if there is any advantage associated with it. I don't - it's just a question - I mean, it's with the Presidio, COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER YAO: COMMISSIONER DAI: - I have no idea. - kind of makes sense to me. I think on the San COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Francisco side there is only one neighborhood that it actually connects to immediately once you cross over. don't think, at least in that district, in that neighborhood, we have a choice. CHAIR ANCHETA: And there may be a formal - I think So I this is actually the formal county boundary that is being CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 300 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 used here, is that correct? bridge, I'm not sure. COMMISSIONER YAO: Which I think may split the Okay, if it's a county line then that makes a perfect answer. CHAIR ANCHETA: We can check into that. Yeah. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: The county line ends at San Francisco without going into Marin. CHAIR ANCHETA: San Francisco? MS. ALON: This line here is the county line. Okay. Continue. But the bridge itself is all within CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: This WCC District takes from Hercules down south through Pinole and Tara Hills, San Pablo, El Sobrante, Richmond is whole, Albany and Berkeley, and then comes and takes part of Oakland, Emeryville and Piedmont are a part of this visualization, and the green line is the EQCA line and so this split was derived to keep as much as that community together as possible. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: With the split in Oakland, was this something, Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, you worked on in terms of where to do the split? was a discussion we had. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: us through where the split is? Do you want to walk I think this You don't have to do street CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 301 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 level but in terms of neighborhoods. We had discussions about, you know, Rockridge, Piedmont, et cetera. MS. ALON: This the Emeryville line and this is the And so really Piedmont line and then Rockridge is here. what we had been discussing when we saw this iteration previously was kind of this line and this line and where that should go. And so I was given direction to follow the EQCA lines, so I just really kind of pushed that out and then kept with the Piedmont line and the Emeryville boundaries. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: We have had some COI linking north and in other maps we've been able to do some of that. district. But for this, this is a largely Oakland-based I'm sorry, I'm looking at the south end, is the more Oakland-based, but Oakland has an odd shape on the north end so we did not include all of Oakland. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Question: The dark line on the COMMISSIONER YAO: left-hand lower corner looks like a small chunk of land on the Alameda Island there. Francisco? MS. ALON: That is a really good question. I don't Does that belong to San know, that is part of the county line but - (Inaudible discussion off microphone.) So this is the county line. Why it's drawn that CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 302 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 way, I don't know. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: that we would have the core - MS. ALON: It's a tiger (ph) line error. Okay. That we would But the intent was COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: have the port and the airport, all of the island of Alameda would be included with this district. COMMISSIONER DAI: And to clarify, Treasure Island was included with the East San Francisco District. COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Right. Let's continue. Okay. PTANT, I think it was Pittsburg-Antioch when we made it, Rodeo and Port Costa, some very sparsely populated areas of Contra Costa County over here, taking Martinez, Pleasant Hill and Pacheco and then following the 680 corridor through Bay Point, Pittsburg and Antioch. Pittsburg and Antioch are together and whole in this visualization and Brentwood is split. We also have Concord So and the remnant of the sparsely populated areas over here to the county line. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I think this is a much cleaner iteration for that 4 corridor that we struggled with earlier in the day. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Blanco? I would only mention that COMMISSIONER BLANCO: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 303 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this is the second time we split Brentwood. I think we split it in the Congressional and now we've split it again. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: MS. ALON: Did we? Is that right? I believe Antioch is split and you're just probably thinking of, Jamie went over this already and talked about the split in Brentwood. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: Congressional. COMMISSIONER DAI: It's the same split as before. All right, thank you. Yeah, it's not split in the COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DAI: split. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. It's the other half of the Commissioner DiGuilio? I'm just curious, just for COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: the sake of kind of continuing that discussion, if there's a way to - I know it would be kind of a - probably a threeway split, but to put together the Antioch-Oakley-Brentwood area, all that western part of Contra Costa. would have to push back up. I know it I know we were trying to keep some of the delta together but I didn't know if there was any interest in trying to rotate that around or if it's just fine the way it is. MS. ALON: The options for that would be to cross the bridge here and take Benicia and split Vallejo or to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 304 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 come in and take Pinole and Hercules and possibly some parts of Richmond off on this side. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Yeah, I assumed you would have to pop down, the yellow would have to pop down, right, into the brown, is that right? MS. ALON: Yes. And I know there's a split, COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I think it is in Fairfield? or around Fairfield. I just - MS. CLARK: I thought maybe that might - But maybe it's not worth exploring. I think that this is the same population swap that we had discussed when we were first looking at these districts. If we moved Brentwood into this ECC District and tried to make Fairfield whole then we would have to - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: MS. CLARK: Cross the bridge. - cross the Carquinez Bridge. Okay. Commissioner Dai? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. COMMISSIONER DAI: I just did want to mention that there was some testimony from Vallejo, kind of not sitting well in the Napa District. It's a lot of population and you have to go through, you know, either - well, I guess we can go across the Carquinez there. thought. So that was just a Any other people have some thoughts on that? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 305 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? It's not a thought. When we COMMISSIONER BLANCO: move on to the next AD down below I have questions about that one, the shape and the, you know, length. So I don't know if when we look at that one whether we should look at that in combination with these concerns that we're raising about both Vallejo and Brentwood. Because I am going to raise some questions about the one that goes from Berkeley and LaMOrinda all the way down to the bottom tip of Alameda County with Santa Clara. district a bit more. I want to understand that So I don't know if that's going to play into these other things. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Filkins-Webber? I concur. Because I COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: thought, as I understood it, the Antioch-Discovery BayBrentwood, we've split them off from Contra Costa, I think, at all levels except for maybe the Senate. So we've split them off in the Congressional, which we discussed this morning, and not we're splitting that community of interest at this point and putting what I believe - and correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not totally familiar with this area - an urban area which would then be going all the way north all the way up, I guess, the I-5 for this very long Assembly District with just population grab at the bottom. So I'm wondering if there might be some rotation of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 306 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 population that could accommodate this other Assembly area to the south, whose name I can't see, which would be the LaMOrinda, you know, north portion. So there might be an ability to work these areas and respect the COIs and respect them with their particular counties. CHAIR ANCHETA: Maybe we should just proceed and So can you keep look at the adjacent districts, then. going south? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Commissioner Blanco, was your concern with the western side with the BerkeleyRichmond district or is it the Contra Costa or Alameda side? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I'm trying to figure out what the sort of community of interest is that goes all the way from Orinda down to the Santa Clara County line at the southeast corner of Alameda. It just seems like - I mean, we could always say population but it, you know, just seems a very weird-shaped district and I'm not sure what we're working with to put all this together. back to the Congressional discussion. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yeah. It sort of harkens But I'm just looking at this as a region and are these the best configurations for this if you think of this as a region? COMMISSIONER DAI: Are you talking about the East CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 307 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Alameda District? COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DAI: I'm talking about - yes. So that one has the LaMOrinda area together with San Ramon Valley, Tri-Valley area, which we got a lot of testimony about. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: And what makes it long is the very sparsely populated area. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: And I think multiple commissioners have brought up this awkward shape on that side of the county. And the suggestion has been made, I mean, we could cut it lots of different ways because there is really not that many people in the bulk of the area that is the issue in terms of the visual. But the fact is in this visualization it's kept with its home county, even though it's not the prettiest shape. It's kind of - I think one of the considerations that we took in where to place it, too, was, you know, we have the Tri-Valley area and that 580 corridor which we know is a really heavily corridor so, you know, that's really an extension of that same area. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: If you could hit the hybrid version I think we get an idea why it's as long as it is. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Another possibility is you could cut it - you know, if you look at where it says 84. I mean, I don't know how it works in terms of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 308 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 where people actually live. that bottom tail partially. But, you know, essentially cut And I don't know if - it's not going to be pretty no matter how we carve it up. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: It's okay. I had forgotten - and I'm looking now - that that's where Del Valle is, you know, Del Valle Lake. So that's fine. So I guess the question was, if COMMISSIONER DAI: we go back north again, I did want to take a look at the WCC District and the Solano-based district above it and the Pittsburg-Antioch District and see if there was some interest in maybe linking Vallejo, separating it out from the Solano District and maybe linking it down to the communities below. that. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm sorry, where would So I would welcome any thoughts on Vallejo - where are you trying to link them up with again? I'm sorry. COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, that's my question here. Oh. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: COMMISSIONER DAI: Because there were some protests from Vallejo about being linked with Napa and not being well represented there. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Would you push them towards the Contra Costa - wait, what's that district? COMMISSIONER DAI: I was thinking the WCC District, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 309 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 right? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER DAI: connection. CHAIR ANCHETA: city of Vallejo? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah, it's a very large city but And you're talking about the full The WCC. I think that would be a better then if we were seriously considering moving Brentwood and Antioch into the Solano District then there would potentially be some opportunity to do some kind of rotation. direction. CHAIR ANCHETA: So a counter-clockwise rotation? Yeah. I mean, I would welcome Vallejo is a very So maybe I'm looking at it in the wrong COMMISSIONER DAI: other people's thoughts on this. industrial area. There are a lot of low income areas within Vallejo and we've gotten a fair amount of public comment about not putting it with Napa. And we've put them with Napa in a number of different configurations now. COMMISSIONER YAO: COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: All three maps. Yeah. Commissioner DiGuilio and then Commissioner Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: And I don't know the more natural link, if it would be Vallejo with WCC or with CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 310 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PTANT. But I'm thinking that the easier switch may be, And, again, I don't like, Vallejo-Benicia over into PTANT. know if that matches up but then if you do that then what you would do is actually pull probably Antioch and may be part of Pittsburg into - actually you would have to pull that into the Solano, right? COMMISSIONER DAI: Right. But then at least, you know, if you would pull the rest of Brentwood in and Antioch then that COI would be whole. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: Correct, that's my - yeah, so that is - so you're kind of splitting up the eastern Contra Costa but you're keeping those groups together a little more in order to bring down Vallejo and Benicia into that area. COMMISSIONER DAI: Correct. And then you would probably COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: move over maybe with Fairfield. CHAIR ANCHETA: Let me interrupt the discussion for And I a moment because we are approaching six o'clock. want to check in with Q2 as well. MS. MACDONALD: to end at six today. Well, we decided that we were going I mean, if So, you know, it's six. we can move through the Senate. we're going to do Senate. I just don't know when I mean, if we can move through I just this in the next half hour I think that's good. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 311 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 don't see how there is time to do this tomorrow and on Friday. CHAIR ANCHETA: option. And, again, we have the Saturday And, again, if the option is to go an extra day we But at this point - also would push back everything a day. we have to do a mapper swap when the - the two other mappers are scheduled to come in for Southern California. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: This approach we're discussing is going to require a big chunk of Solano County going over into the Napa County and along that border there's not much population. So that's going to be a pretty tough one to pull off, other than Fairfield and that's not enough people to move over. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. So let's focus on this Commissioner question of time right now and scheduling. DiGuilio? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: It seems like - I know it's But I'm just I been a long day for Q2 at this point. wondering how much time we have for another hour or two. mean, I just feel like we're just going to need to get this job done. I know it's not optimal but it's better than coming back tomorrow because we can't walk away not having gone through Senate, this is not an option. So I guess it's a matter of how everybody feels today about continuing to go through the SDs or if we roll it over tomorrow. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 312 But 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 then that would mean bringing the whole Q2 staff back tomorrow, both northern and southern. COMMISSIONER YAO: I don't think we can afford to rush through Senate because we did that during the first draft and I think we need to spend a block of time on the Senate. CHAIR ANCHETA: I agree with that sentiment. Ms. MacDonald, what is your sense at this point? And, again, we acknowledge that we can extend the number of days by one or two days. But, obviously, given how you are set up to do this, it's either going to be an extra hour or two tonight or tomorrow, that's it. two options. MS. MACDONALD: I have to - we have to leave here I mean, running out of There are basically those at seven at the absolute latest. here at seven. That's already pushing it tonight. And that is because you have - That is because we need to leave at CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: seven. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: seven. Okay. We absolutely need to leave at There is just no option to go any later than that. We were planning on leaving at six. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. Well, if we were to do that and we didn't finish the Senate we would bring you back at CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 313 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 some point because we will finish the districts. And, again, the Commission's, I think, general will is that we will extend days if needed to complete the job. would want to still end at seven then? So you We will have to work out some other scheduling, I think that's what the Commission would want to do. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: So then Q2 would prefer to add Saturday as opposed to go later than seven today? MS. MACDONALD: I have to check with my people. We Because we were not told that Saturday is an option. have not discussed it. And we need to have the mapping time to implement everything that you give us before next week. So Saturday - COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: So you would rather go as late as it takes right now, this evening? MS. MACDONALD: tonight for sure. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: and end at seven. CHAIR ANCHETA: then. Okay, why don't we just proceed Let's start looking at maps I have to leave at seven o'clock Again, the flexibility built in - again, this is not your exact time, however if we push back into an extra day we would push everything back an extra day. So, in other words, we would not be compromising your mapping time but CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 314 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it would extend the instruction days and would extend the ultimate deadline to complete the line drawing process, that's the point. So we're certainly not trying to compress the amount of time that will be needed to present maps next week. Okay? Anyway, so So why don't we just continue then. regarding this rotation. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: So others are much better at this than I in terms of rotations and clock and counterclock and all that. But I'm just wondering if there isn't something we can do that sort of pulls - that creates a situation where we pull Vallejo more into sort of an 80 corridor. It means changing this a little but I think that if it could do that, as opposed to going so - this bottom part of this, these districts being so completely northsouth, if we could look at some of those and think of them more as following some of 80. I don't know what that would involve but that way you might be able to get Vallejo - I just looked again and it's not just that it's with Napa, it's the district in Napa that goes all the way up pretty far. I had forgotten that from when we first looked at it, it goes - and so it really does feel misplaced here in Vallejo. And I don't know, the 80 is sort of it's natural - I don't think -- in some ways it wouldn't matter which of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 315 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the counties it was in if it was in that 80 corridor where it's sort of it's natural home. MS. ALON: If Vallejo is put in with the 80 over And then here you will either split Richmond or Berkeley. you would have to put Berkeley in with LaMOrinda and then move that up and I'm not exactly sure what will happen up there. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: My sense is that if these are the options we're considering and the goal is to look at how Vallejo can have - I mean, the entire region, but we've had a particular issue with Vallejo across different maps - is that it's key to keep that 80 corridor intact on that north end as much as possible. So that splitting Richmond is probably not the best way to do that because there are some real similarities in terms of communities of interest between Vallejo and Richmond. So, I don't know, we might look at some type of a Berkeley split. Although, I'm thinking it through in terms of where population is and would there be a Berkeley split that would also allow us to continue to respect the feedback we've gotten about the hills? MS. CLARK: Right. So if we were to move Vallejo into this, just following the 80 corridor then population assumably would have to come out of the southern end of that district just because trying to grab, you know, over a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 316 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hundred-thousand people somewhere along here is either going to make for a barely contiguous district or just would cause problems. So then the issue would be that Berkeley and North Oakland would move into this LaMOrinda area and then Walnut Creek, maybe Lafayette, maybe Alamo would move into this PTANT District. CHAIR ANCHETA: people's heads here. COMMISSIONER DAI: compromise, actually. I think that's a decent I'm getting mixed signals from I mean, I do think that there are a lot of similarities, as Commissioner Galambos-Malloy said, between Vallejo and Richmond. And there is a more affluent area of Berkeley, too, that would go well with the LaMOrinda area. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I just think on the south when we look at actually paring Berkeley and you look at that whole district and you look at - I mean, we're looking, if I'm understanding this correctly, at the TriValley area is now paired with Berkeley? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah. I think that is - COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: COMMISSIONER DAI: That one is hard. That one is really a COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: stretch. I could see potentially linking part of Berkeley or Oakland with LaMOrinda but the farther east and south CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 317 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you go for a district of this size I just think it's really probably a misstep on our part. MS. CLARK: Another option, if the issue is in having Vallejo with Napa, would be to move Vallejo and Benicia into PTANT and then to move this line of ECC west so Brentwood, picking up Antioch and then splitting Pittsburg. And then sort of to remove population in ECC perhaps to - COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Make Fairfield whole? -- you know, make Fairfield whole and Or to split Napa. I think the also to pick up Lake County. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: challenge as we start to get to Lake is that the feedback we're getting is that Lake is really more naturally paired with other wine growing areas, essentially Napa, Sonoma, Marin. And so to pull them over to Yolo-Solano, I think, I wouldn't would have a significant impact on the county. feel so comfortable with that portion of the swap. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, we need some tight directions So we need a very here if we're going to move forward. specific set of directions if you want to move ahead here. Can we get a proposal? COMMISSIONER DAI: So can you tell us - and maybe you just need to try it in terms of - it sounds like Fairfield is not enough, basically. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 318 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: Could you repeat that, please? Basically, making Fairfield COMMISSIONER DAI: whole is not sufficient population, is what you're saying. You would have to take more. MS. CLARK: The entire City of Fairfield has less population than the City of Vallejo. COMMISSIONER DAI: natural split in Vallejo. other thought - COMMISSIONER BLANCO: COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, Great America - I don't know if there is a I mean, that would be my only - is to take part of Vallejo. - is there. You know, the COMMISSIONER BLANCO: amusement park. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: This is when it gets to a question that, you know, for the City of Vallejo what results in more effective and fair representation on their perspective. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Yeah. And I think that if COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: we were able to keep their integrity and move them into a southern district it might make sense. But if the only way we can do that is to split them without having heard that from them I'm a little nervous about us making that judgment call. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I have to say that I wouldn't CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 319 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be that concerned about them being in this district if it was not as long, as extended through all these other counties. If we were talking Benicia, American Canyon, You know, Napa, I mean, that's sort of Bay Area still. that's the greater Bay Area. But when you put Vallejo in with something that's way up - COMMISSIONER DAI: Lake County. - in Lake County that - I COMMISSIONER BLANCO: mean, we're talking about, really Vallejo is core Bay Area. And to be up with Lake County in an Assembly District just - I don't have suggestions, I just know that that feels very off. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: interesting when you put it that way. Well, it's Because I think there is more of an argument for Lake County to be with Solano and Yolo County potentially than for Vallejo to be with Lake County if those are some of the trade-offs we're looking at. CHAIR ANCHETA: concrete proposal here. COMMISSIONER DAI: Well, I think Ms. Clark said it Okay, we're still lacking a and I guess we want to just check in with the rest of the Commission about that. We can do the rotation, it means that Lake County might go to the Yolo District. MS. CLARK: Will go - CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 320 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Will go to - - with the Yolo District. - the Yolo District. You know, COMMISSIONER DAI: they are an agricultural area. their agriculture is different. I mean, they would argue But it is a better fit, I think, than with the really urban, low income, industrial area of Vallejo. CHAIR ANCHETA: that rotation? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I'm sorry, can you just Okay, straw vote. Who supports have maybe a summary of that rotation one more time? CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay, go ahead, Ms. Clark. Vallejo A summary of that rotation. and Benicia into PTANT; Brentwood, Antioch, part of Pittsburg into ECC; the remainder of - COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. CLARK: Fairfield. Fairfield? Yeah, it's the remainder of Ooo, okay. And then actually we need to move population So we would have to split Yolo County. Okay, Commissioner Barabba? Vallejo and Benicia are from ECC into Napa. CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER BARABBA: going to be a dominant part of that district, populationwise. So it's not like they're going to be left out. I mean, no elected official is going to ignore them. CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. Okay, again, I want a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 321 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 showing of heads or hands or whatever. support the rotation? (Show of hands) How many folks How many do not support the rotation? (Show of hands) Hands higher, please. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: difficult for us to make this call. I think it's It would be nice if we were to consider even a Yolo split that we would have some feedback from Commissioner Forbes on what a split would look like. myself. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: I strongly feel that they are Just So barring that I wouldn't feel comfortable not going to be a dominant part of this district. because they have the numbers doesn't mean that they will have the clout, given the economy of those other parts of this Assembly District, which are very strong economic wine growing regions. And Vallejo has been decimated since they It's closed the base, it's really lost political power. got a lot of problems in terms of its economy. I don't think it's going to - Benicia or Vallejo will outweigh the rest of that county, those other regions. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I think the majority of the So we will continue. I mean, I would be Commission remains unswayed. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 322 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 open to it. I would think it's one of those areas, though, I would want to flag for further direction from Commissioner Forbes perhaps. You know, tomorrow he could follow-up with us on some more details if we had critical mass on the Commission. concerns are valid. MS. CLARK: The split in Yolo County would be north So it would be somewhat But I think Commissioner Blanco's Yolo County going with Napa. similar to - Yolo County would look somewhat similar, just in where the splits are, to the first draft map and West Sacramento would still be with the City of Sacramento. That bottom part of Colusa County would be with Napa, the City of Woodland, and maybe - and then, I believe, that Davis could potentially have to be split. totally sure about that. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, let's move forward then. Are we going to at least bring I But I'm not COMMISSIONER RAYA: this to Commissioner Forbes' attention for his input? mean, is there enough interest? COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah, what is - Well, what is the sense of the Commission here in terms of wanting to hold this configuration open until we hear from Commissioner Forbes? COMMISSIONER DAI: I mean, Commissioner Forbes is the one who had proposed the split in Yolo County before. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 323 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So we had had a split with northern Yolo County before, the more agricultural areas. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, being reminded of that then I feel much more comfortable entertaining this option. COMMISSIONER DAI: before. And remember, it was split In our first iteration Yolo County was split. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: And a bunch of people showed up and said it wasn't a very good idea, as I recall. COMMISSIONER DAI: agricultural side of it. CHAIR ANCHETA: count. Okay, again, I'm doing a head That's true. But it is the more I still see nine votes not in favor of the rotation, even including Commissioner Forbes. MS. CLARK: I also, to see it next time, need direction on it today. COMMISSIONER DAI: Are we willing to look at an option or do we not want to waste Ms. Clark's time? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: at an option. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. We had the discussion earlier in So are we I'm willing to look COMMISSIONER YAO: the day about options when we leave today. revisiting that decision? CHAIR ANCHETA: No, either there - there's a CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 324 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 choice. change. We go with how it is or we entertain a motion to And, again, counting the heads I'm thinking there is a sufficient number who would not want to change, although we can call for a motion if you'd like. COMMISSIONER BARABBA: I thought Connie was saying she would like to see what it would look like without any commitment to it. Did I hear you right? I would. I mean, I COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: think the concerns that we are talking about here are similar to when we were looking at a configuration where we had, you know, Richmond sent north one or two counties basically with an entirely, you know, more rural, agricultural area. COMMISSIONER DAI: It's exactly the same. You know, it's COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: exactly the same situation of what we're looking at with Vallejo now. So I think, you know, to be consistent and take some of those same concerns into account that we should look at an option that provides a better chance for representation, both for the agricultural areas as well as for Vallejo. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: You know, for those that don't know the area I'm trying to think what the equivalent would be. But Vallejo is the Bay Area. It's like if you took a part of - I'm trying to think of what the equivalent CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 325 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would be - a part of LA and you put it with - I don't even - you stretched it out into the Central Valley. I'm serious, that's what it would be like, taking it into the Central Valley. CHAIR ANCHETA: Ms. Alon - COMMISSIONER BLANCO: But I just want to point out No, point well taken. Let's have that it is an urban area and it's completely misplaced here. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. ALON: Okay. Ms. Alon? This change in rotation is a bit much And so we would need an for us to do on the fly right now. instruction, either to change it or not, today. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. Okay, Commissioner Yao and Again, if we are trying to stick with not going to options for the next session we will have to choose one. COMMISSIONER YAO: Looked at another way, if we don't feel that Vallejo fits into the wine country and we do move Vallejo out, what western part of the Solano and/or any other county up north of it fits better into the wine country? Because somehow you're going to have to move And if we don't see any cities roughly 150,000 people. further north of here on the ECC or any other county east of it that can go into the wine country I think we're CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 326 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 kidding ourselves in terms of being able to find a match. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? I guess I'm just trying to COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: balance. I mean, what we're trying to do is to walk away with a decision but I'm also trying to balance the fact that people still just don't feel comfortable without being able to see either one. I guess I'm looking at Ms. Clark. Is this a self-contained adjustment where you could do it in a reasonable amount of time or is this something that will take too much time in terms of - I guess what it is, is people are hesitant to give up one until they've seen the outcome of the other but we don't want to go back and say, Keep mapping, keep mapping. have to call uncle. MS. ALON: to do right now. Yeah, this rotation is too much for us And so this would be - yeah, we wouldn't It would take doing it over a couple I mean, at some point we be able to do this. of hours. COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I guess my point is, I'm asking if that is something that is a real critical point if you just say, We just want this one area, these two options. But, I mean, like, I'm really hesitant to say give us two options and we just make a choice at the end. I think we just kind of have to, you know, walk away with something. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 327 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: I think that this is - if you need to It is just trading see another option of it I can do it. out, like, which more populated areas do you want to move into the more rural areas. And that's really the trade. And then on top of that also splitting Yolo County and potentially splitting one of the large cities in Yolo County. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Do you think there is a way to do it without having to split one of the large cities? out? MS. CLARK: I won't know until I map it. I can't imagine that that's Or is that one you won't know until you map it COMMISSIONER RAYA: going to be acceptable. smaller cities. They're relatively small, or I don't know, I guess so now you're looking at balancing how they would be affected versus leaving Vallejo where it is. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: Well, I guess, you know, when I think it through, by the time we get into some of these areas of Yolo County there are areas of the county that have more in common with each other, areas of the district that have more in common together, as Commissioner Forbes was showing us, you know, different agricultural interests. It's really this disparate pairing between the southern portion of the Napa District and the northern CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 328 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 portion of the district. I mean, sight unseen if you were to go - if Q2 was to take this back to the shop and work on refining this and was able to do so in a way that, for example, didn't split the two large cities, I would feel comfortable with that. So I don't know if there's a way of, you know, putting certain parameters and say, you know, explore it but if X happens then the trade-off might be too great and we would want you to pull back. CHAIR ANCHETA: Can you gauge that at this point or you have to actually map it all out? MR. MANOFF: to archive. CHAIR ANCHETA: (Pause) MR. MANOFF: Okay, Chair. Okay, we're back on the record. Do Sure. Chair, I just need a few seconds here CHAIR ANCHETA: we have a proposal? We have a - Or, again, I'm counting heads here. COMMISSIONER RAYA: I would go along with Commissioner Galambos-Malloy's suggestion that we ask Q2 to see where it will go. We have kind of a general idea. And maybe even splits might not be terrible if we think we've balanced that against the interests of Vallejo in being with like-minded communities. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 329 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: So as a process point, would it be possible to draw a map that out over a couple of hours post it on the website as an equivalency file and then also with the new interactive tool so the commissioners could review it? Could that be done fairly quickly, being within the next - MS. CLARK: Two days. - day. Two days. CHAIR ANCHETA: COMMISSIONER YAO: I think as long as we have a chance to see it before we break during this session so there won't be any surprises next week when we look at the map, that's acceptable with me. But if we can't do that then I think we need to make a decision before we break during this session. MS. CLARK: So if you didn't like that one then it automatically reverts to this? COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER YAO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Yes. Correct. The question is whether that could We may be going actually be occurring by, say, Friday. into Saturday at this point. MS. ALON: This is a lot of work for us, so it Jamie and I will lose depends on how much you want it. sleep over it if you really want it. COMMISSIONER DAI: So, just a clarification. Would CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we make Colusa whole in this process? - no, we're adding - MS. CLARK: No. Because we're losing Colusa is still not whole unless we want to also do another balancing act in Yuba County and then MTCAP and then - COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: No. Just wanted to ask. Commissioner Ontai? So let me ask the mappers, if COMMISSIONER ONTAI: you were to pursue this option here to what extent would it take time away from you looking at the other options in the other maps we are asking you to do? MS. ALON: severely impacted. would go. COMMISSIONER RAYA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Chair? We already have no time. We are already And so I'm not exactly sure where this Commissioner Raya, go ahead. I'm trying to say this in the COMMISSIONER RAYA: best spirit that I can. I am very sympathetic to the amount of work that everyone here is putting in to this process and, you know, we're not doing that job so I can't necessarily weigh how it is to get it done. But I know that we're doing a job, too, and I think we're all trying to hang in there together for just a little bit longer so that we can get this done and not lose sleep over it later. We're trying to do what we think we need to do to give the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 331 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 people of California the product they deserve. So, you know, I hope that we can find a way to just hang on a little while longer and get it done. CHAIR ANCHETA: All right, given the resource How many question, again, I will take a straw pole here. would like us to proceed with having Q2 pursue this other option? (Show of hands) How many would not? (Show of hands) Fifty-fifty. And I don't think we have - We have a vote behind you. Those who do not, COMMISSIONER BLANCO: CHAIR ANCHETA: again? Oh, I'm sorry. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: you've been voting, Chair. CHAIR ANCHETA: myself. I don't believe Well, I'm counting. I can count I don't have to raise my hand to count myself. (Show of hands) Yeah, we don't have nine on either direction. So we're basically split. COMMISSIONER BLANCO: Can we recap for the record how it is that Vallejo ended up in this district, what the thinking was of this district and the decisions that led to Vallejo being in this district? That would be helpful. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 332 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Forbes' assigned district? CHAIR ANCHETA: district. COMMISSIONER DAI: Is this Commissioner I think it's a Dai-Galambos-Malloy This is a hybrid. Yeah, it's kind of COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: where our region meets Commissioner Forbes' region. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Because, as I recall, it is in the draft map and most of the testimony that we received was about American Canyon. And so maybe someone could refresh my recollection if there was any, you know, significant testimony. But, as I recall, there were some population concerns regarding the pre-draft map, which we corrected and added American Canyon. And then we got into the population issues in the lower PTANT District and the ECC District. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: You know, my perception of this issue is that this is one of those places where we may not have - for example, in regards to Vallejo - as robust of a community of interest testimony as we did for American Canyon, for example. But where we have commissioners who know an area well and have a sense of how the region functions and what some of the impacts are for the pairings that we've created, I would think it would be an area where we would have some responsibility to flag CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 333 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 those at this point in the game. So I feel like it falls more in that area. I know both with the Solano and Napa that those southern portions that we have had feedback from the public that they have diverse regions within the counties. And so I think that Vallejo is one of those areas that doesn't quite fit with many of the parts of the county and of the district that fall to the north. COMMISSIONER DAI: testimony. I mean, we have received It's been written commentary mostly. Let me interject. Let me propose We CHAIR ANCHETA: the following, and this is a scheduling consideration. are not going to get to the Senate, clearly, this evening in time to complete the Senate. Again, we've talked about this in terms of mapper availability, we do have - not the whole team is available on Saturday but it is possible to bring back the Northern California team on Saturday, at least for part of the day. And I think at least one of the Southern California mappers can come back on Saturday. So what I would suggest is that we, one, push back the Senate discussion to Saturday for Northern California; that we - and I would like some thinking on this one because, again, we're sort of split about this option and we have an incomplete Commission as well, a number of commissioners aren't here. And it's whether we do want to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 334 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 pursue this option. Now, again, it will take some time, the mappers will not be working on the Senate yet because we will not have discussed the Senate. So to that extent And, there is a little bit of extra time, so to speak. again, what we are essentially doing is pushing back the July 28th deadline. for that. And, again, we built in some padding Again, we do not compress the time between our last line drawing session - the next line drawing session - and the final version. So I think that's where we stand right now. Does anyone want to chime in terms of - I think that's where we have to go at this point in terms of general scheduling. COMMISSIONER RAYA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Well - But the question is sort of going to - again, it comes back to the option - COMMISSIONER RAYA: CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. - the second option question. My question is: Could we have COMMISSIONER RAYA: a quick search for testimony on this area from the public and that might give us a sense of, you know, are we trying to make a decision that perhaps the community is not as concerned about as we are? CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Commissioner Yao? On Vallejo? Yes. COMMISSIONER RAYA: CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 335 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER YAO: there are about 40-some. Just from the emails alone, I did a search on Vallejo in the They do want to be associated A majority of 5000 emails in our account. with Martinez, Pleasant Hill and Concord. the emails reflect that desire. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. I have a very rough visualization. Well, that was quick. CHAIR ANCHETA: (Laughter) COMMISSIONER DAI: We took so long that she had time to do a rough visualization. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: While Ms. Clark is doing that, just in that - again, this goes back to a balance of where we recognize those communities of interest being together. And they are at the Congressional level - and I don't know if we made any changes to that from this morning - and at the Senate level. So they are together in that community of interest, although it might be to the north. MS. MACDONALD: We just searched both databases and there are no comments from anyone from Vallejo. CHAIR ANCHETA: Really? I'm sorry, could you COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: repeat that, please? COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: In searching the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 336 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 real-time emails that we're getting - that was what Commissioner Yao had referred to - COMMISSIONER YAO: Yeah. So it may be that COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: those haven't all been transferred to the Q2 database yet. MS. MACDONALD: We just searched the database, so whatever has been entered. CHAIR ANCHETA: recent emails. COMMISSIONER YAO: first draft. CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, that's quite a while. I know that I've read several in It's since the release of the So there may have been much more COMMISSIONER DAI: the last few days. MS. MACDONALD: We have 5500 records at this point. (Discussion off microphone among commissioners.) CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: that database. COMMISSIONER YAO: since the first draft. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner DiGuilio? I guess I'm just trying to There are 5673 on the emails Sorry. Ms. MacDonald, go ahead. There are currently 5500 records in COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: take a step back here. This is all very important Because we're looking at discussion, it really is. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 337 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 communities that are greatly impacted. But I'm also trying to just balance the fact that we were - we do have a timeline that's realistic, I mean, that's out there, and it is putting a lot of pressure on us. And I think we have to just continually balance things that maybe aren't optimal versus what's really egregious and see what we can do to solve it. And if we can't solve it easily without some real repercussions then we have to - I guess I'm just really trying to balance getting things really right versus getting something done. You know, how long have we spent on this one area in Assembly? And I don't want to shortchange anyone because we really should feel like we have a chance to talk these things through. But I guess we all have to realize the trade-off because this is Northern California and we've spent a whole day and we haven't gotten through Senate. mean, that's the reality, right? I I mean, if we want to put it on the line we haven't even gotten to Senate yet. What's going to happen in Southern California, what's not going to happen? CHAIR ANCHETA: Just to interject, we also have to So we are split on a hit our nine member majority as well. number of these districts. are all moving along, too. visualization. So we have to make sure that we So let's look at the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 338 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: So here's the rough visualization. The Napa District, everything is the same except for Vallejo from where it originally was, again this area of Sonoma County, Napa and Lake Counties. with this district. Fairfield is whole and is Colusa is still split, Yolo is split, Woodland is included in this district, Davis is not. Vallejo, Benicia, Martinez and Concord are here in this Bay Area district. Pittsburg is split, this is, I believe, Antioch and Brentwood are like a 20,000 person split. whole with this Discovery Bay, Byron, Knightsen, Oakley area, and that is in the ECC District. Obviously, the lines here have changed in that Yolo County and Colusa County are no longer included and Fairfield is not included. COMMISSIONER RAYA: That does not seem inconsistent to me with what I've heard anyway about Woodland and - I mean, if Woodland and Davis are still whole but they are not together in the county I don't think that's - I don't know. Does anybody else have an opinion on that part? COMMISSIONER DAI: I think this does a better job You know, I of putting the agricultural areas together. think this is actually better all the way around and it puts the whole Brentwood, you know, Antioch area a little more whole. And it makes Fairfield whole. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 339 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: I would like direction today on which visualization to go and follow-through with. CHAIR ANCHETA: Galambos-Malloy. COMMISSIONER YAO: Yeah, when we looked at the Commissioner Yao and Commissioner Contra Costa District earlier we felt pretty good about the way it looked. And now we move a couple of the bigger cities on the east side over to the district on the north. So we basically solve one problem on Contra Costa County in terms of moving Vallejo in but then Antioch and - what was the other one that we said? Pittsburg, I think it is. Then we kind of move that away from the Contra Costa beltway, so to speak. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: I actually feel like Commissioner Galambos-Malloy then this is a pretty fair, reasonable alternative for us to consider. My preference would be not necessarily that we split a small city like Pittsburg, although I do think if we're looking at a split there, you know, you could say the split, the part of Pittsburg that is not going with the western part of Contra Costa, they do have a really close relationship with Antioch. So in terms of splits, I don't And when you go up think it's necessarily a bad split. farther north I think the configuration makes more sense CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 340 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 than how we had Vallejo paired so far north. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Yao and And then I want to move Commissioner Filkins-Webber. forward. here. COMMISSIONER YAO: I think we may have at least a working majority How about trying to keep the smaller city, like Pittsburg, whole and split whatever is necessary in Vallejo to make this happen. is a much bigger city. COMMISSIONER GALAMBOS-MALLOY: But I think that the Again, Vallejo challenge there is if you split Vallejo and you send part of it north you're sort of tossing that part of Vallejo away. Because they don't have a strong community of interest with their neighbors, whereas when you're looking at something like a Pittsburg, I mean, you really have a community of interest to the west and to the east, which is what would feed my comfort level of saying, you know, we like to avoid splits at all costs, however in this case it may be for the greater good. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Filkins-Webber, Commissioner Dai and then Commissioner DiGuilio. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: thought. Two things. I lost my train of On the Pittsburg split, was there some issue about maybe at a highway? COMMISSIONER DAI: Yeah. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 341 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: COMMISSIONER DAI: The 4. Isn't it the 4? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: COMMISSIONER DAI: So going to - There is a responsible split. Going to the - COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: COMMISSIONER DAI: There is a newer, there is a water side and a non-water side. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Okay. My other question then is, based on Ms. Clark's ability to roughly put this together, if this were something that appears to - that most of the commissioners might be inclined to do, are we talking two days work here still to put it together? Maybe we could still see it on Saturday or Friday? CHAIR ANCHETA: Well, could you post the visualization by Friday evening? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: Or are you saying you still need us to make a decision that this is the way we're going to go? MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Right. That's first. And then we can work COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: on the nuances on some splits, like in the Pittsburg area, next week or looking at it closer when we get it up on the Statewide Database. Is that right, Ms. Clark? CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 342 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLARK: Yes. Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio. Okay, so Commissioner Dai then And then we will just - I would like to move that we COMMISSIONER DAI: move forward with this. I think it's really a much better thing for all communities in terms of keeping agricultural areas together, urban areas with the Bay Area. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, is that a motion? It is. I'll second it. I think we might have to So I think COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. repeat - Ms. Sargis wasn't able to catch that. this is - would you repeat the - COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: informal vote? COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Can we just - yeah. Or can we just take an You don't have to do a motion, you can withdraw the motion and we can just sort of move forward. COMMISSIONER DAI: If there is general consensus that people can live with this. CHAIR ANCHETA: Any objection at this point to go ahead with this - to direct Q2 to work on developing a visualization based on this rough framework? And, again, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 343 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I think the - Ms. MacDonald, go ahead. MS. MACDONALD: Could I just add, we actually did find one comment from Vallejo just now. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: Okay. And just for the record I wanted to just say it was about that it should not be added to the agricultural community but it should be combined with Mare Island. It should be combined. It should not be added to the agricultural community, for example, Napa - I just read the whole thing - because there are different interests basically because it's an industrial city and Napa is more agricultural. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And the commissioners can And I look at the emails as well to follow-up on that. think because we took it off the table, it's not a motion anymore. If you were looking for a public comment, we're Okay. not going to take public comment on that. Commissioner Aguirre? COMMISSIONER AGUIRRE: Just to recognize our mappers for acting under duress and really giving us something that we could work on. (Applause) CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. So we have about fifteen minutes to finish these Assembly Districts. MS. ALON: Okay, Oakland District. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 344 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR ANCHETA: Did we cover this one already? We covered Oakland already. Hayward District encompasses all COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. ALON: Okay. of Eden except for San Leandro, and Union City-Hayward, but has a similar split in Fremont and Newark. COMMISSIONER DAI: the Eden area split here. CHAIR ANCHETA: district? Okay, any other commentary on the So I don't see any way to fix Again, it's similar to the Congressional. (No response.) Let's keep going. MS. ALON: Okay, the Milpitas District has part of Fremont, Newark and Milpitas and Berryessa all together as well as the eastern part of San Jose and Alum Rock with the downtown of San Jose, which is where they asked to be together, to the county line. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, again, this is consistent with multiple sets of COI testimony regarding various neighborhoods and communities of interest. MS. ALON: Okay, next. The SANJO District has the remainder of San Jose, takes the Evergreen and the Little Saigon areas together, and this is another part of San Jose down here, to the county line. CHAIR ANCHETA: there in this version? Does someone see a nose and a mouth Do you see a face there, by any CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 345 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 chance? I see one. (Laughter) This is what happens when you get loopy, you start seeing faces and animals and things like that in maps. Trust me, Q2 does this all the time. MS. ALON: Commissioner Ancheta needs sleep. Again, very similar to the CHAIR ANCHETA: Congressional in terms of maintaining the southern core of the City of San Jose. And, again, largely unpopulated areas on the eastern section of the district. MS. ALON: Okay, that's it for Assembly. Okay, very good. Any comments CHAIR ANCHETA: generally on the Assembly Districts at this point? (No response.) Okay. Again, we're not going to try to cover Senate in fifteen minutes, that would be ill-advised of us. At this point - I'm sorry, go ahead. MS. MACDONALD: started. You know, I mean we could get I mean, just because we're coming back on Saturday - CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: on Saturday. COMMISSIONER DAI: MS. MACDONALD: Yeah, let's do what we can. Well. -there is still just limited time And we have two half-days, really, CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 346 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 if you're looking at - COMMISSIONER DAI: CHAIR ANCHETA: Let's do what we can. Okay. Go. Let's go. COMMISSIONER DAI: COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: CHAIR ANCHETA: Actually, Ms. MacDonald, because the issue of the numbering will be coming up and I know you've been preparing a memo for us. It will be an issue we will have to address at some point in the next week or so. What is your sense of - because you did prepare a memo or have prepared a memo. MS. MACDONALD: Correct. I sent it to the Tech Committee for review and I hope it's very clear so that we won't spend a lot of time going over it. pretty straightforward. I think it's The deferral issue itself is really straightforward, I mean, how you assess it essentially, that's a statistical process. a couple of options on how you can number. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. And just as a - again, for Then there are scheduling purposes we're not going to be looking at numbering at this set of sessions. In other words, we're not going to be looking at now or on Saturday, are we? MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: No, we would not be doing that. Okay. Because we will look at numbering CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 347 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 once the four plans basically are merged into one. then we would run the deferral report essentially. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. And So that would happen next week. Okay. If we start in - Actually, was it the Forbes-Ward CHAIR ANCHETA: team - neither of whom are here - was that - COMMISSIONER DAI: their districts. CHAIR ANCHETA: okay, no, that's fine. Okay, we'll assume these are - Again, these are not that That's okay, we can talk through inconsistent, obviously, with the existing Assembly and Congressional Districts. MS. CLARK: Okay, if we look at this NORCO District, it's the Counties of Del Norte, Humboldt, Trinity, Mendocino, all of Marin County and the majority of Sonoma County, with the exception of Petaluma and the City of Sonoma. COMMISSIONER DAI: It keeps the North Coast together, very similar justification to the other coastal districts. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. CLARK: Okay. If we take a look at this WINE District, it's the Counties of Lake, Yolo, Napa and Solano CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 348 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 whole. Again, it includes Petaluma and the City of Sonoma from Sonoma County, the delta area of Sacramento County, and then crosses the Carquinez Bridge into Contra Costa County, picks up Martinez. There was commission direction last time to incorporate some of these smaller areas outside of Martinez. This if Vine Hill and Mountain View that are included in this visualization. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner DiGuilio? Yeah, I know this is kind So COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: of the issue we just got through talking about, right? I'm not sure how - I'd be curious to hear how the commissioners feel about this. I guess I feel like the one thing is this is the one part where eastern Contra Costa can be kept whole and with the rest of it. So it's been, So I like as we've noticed, sliced in the AD and the CD. the aspect that it's finally together and put with the rest of its county. Vallejo again. But I know there's maybe some issue with But, you know, it's balanced maybe with the And so I guess I But based on our rest of Solano and Woodland and Davis. feel like this seems to be acceptable. previous conversation I just wanted to touch base with the other commissioners on this. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Yao? Just scanning through all the COMMISSIONER YAO: public comments, I don't believe Vallejo really wanted to CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 349 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be with the rest of Solano County. So if you're looking at their definition of community that basically is what they are advocating. MS. CLARK: So if we were going to move Vallejo out of this district we run into obviously some very similar issues as in the Assembly Districts. If we wanted Vallejo to go with this Richmond district then you would have to move San Leandro out of this district and then split part of Oakland. If you were going to move - again, if you were going to move it into this Richmond district that would mean moving population from here into this RAMON District. The other option would be to move Vallejo and Benicia and Martinez and Pleasant Hill into the RAMON District and to just do an even swap for population, moving this line in Solano County south and picking up Oakley, Brentwood, Antioch and Pittsburg. CHAIR ANCHETA: Comments? I think the description that was COMMISSIONER YAO: just given probably meets their stated intent better than the current visualization. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Barabba? What does it do to the COMMISSIONER BARABBA: communities we just moved up into the Solano area, do they want that as well? COMMISSIONER DIGUILIO: I would think - again, this CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 350 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is where you're trying to reach over and get that eastern part of Antioch, Brentwood, Discovery Bay and that's what is going to be pushed up into Solano County, again for a third time. And, you know, I guess I feel like this is the I know one place where they could kind of be whole again. the trade-off is with Vallejo but I'm thinking - that was my question initially, was before it was kind of Vallejo and rural areas in Napa and Lake but this time it's Vallejo and Fairfield and Davis and Woodland. agriculturally dominated. balance here. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Yao, So it's not quite so You know, I think there is a Commissioner Blanco and Commissioner Filkins-Webber, do you want to be in the queue? COMMISSIONER FILKINS-WEBBER: CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay. I think to be consistent, I'll just listen. COMMISSIONER YAO: because we did it in the Assembly and we are saying that we don't want to do it here, that would be inconsistent. So the way I see it, it's perfectly fine in terms of splitting the Contra Costa and move it up to the Solano district. CHAIR ANCHETA: Commissioner Blanco? I'm a little less concerned COMMISSIONER BLANCO: about this because there are some urban areas in here up in Sacramento. But I also - Martinez is in there, Benicia is CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 351 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in there. So there might be - there is a mix. It's not overwhelming, but there is a mix of urban and rural in this Senate District and there are some other Bay Area cities in there with Vallejo, which is a 510 area code. I'm a little - I don't know that Pleasant Hill belongs there, to tell you the truth. But, you know - but I think this could work because they are not isolated as the one and only urban area in a rural community. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, Commissioner Dai? I agree with Commissioner COMMISSIONER DAI: Blanco. I don't think this one is as egregious as the I would leave it. I think previous Assembly District. it's the only opportunity that the Highway 4 corridor has had to be in Contra Costa. So I think it's not terrible for Vallejo in this district if we fix it in the Assembly. CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Let's move forward. MS. CLARK: If we look at the YUBA District, it's Okay, additional comments? Tehama, Glenn, Butte, Colusa, Sutter and Yuba Counties all whole. Similar to what we saw last time, it's western Placer County, the City of Roseville is included, as well as in Sacramento County Citrus Heights, Antelope, Elverta, Rio Linda, Carmichael, which is not split, and Rancho Cordova, which is split per CRC direction. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 352 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 now? CHAIR ANCHETA: (No response.) Okay, commentary? I guess we will, again, rely on our previous descriptions for the districts for the core of this one. Let's go on. MS. CLARK: pack up and go. CHAIR ANCHETA: Ms. MacDonald, you want to wrap up It's 6:58 and I think we're going to You got two minutes, what do you want to do? MS. MACDONALD: Well, if you can guarantee that you Would you can pass another district in two minutes, yes. like to pick one? (Inaudible request made by commissioner.) MS. CLARK: Sure, here's SAC. It's the entire City of Sacramento, including the City of West Sacramento, Elk Grove, Vineyard and Florin are included in this visualization as well as Arden-Arcade, North Highlands, I believe, is split. COMMISSIONER YAO: Have we tried to nest the Assembly District in this case? MS. CLARK: We cannot nest in Northern California because the boundaries of the Section 5 districts are different in Monterey and Merced Counties. COMMISSIONER YAO: Sacramento City itself. Yeah, I was just commenting on Did we try to nest a couple of CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 353 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 districts that involve Sacramento City? MS. CLARK: Because the northern boundaries of the Monterey Districts for Assembly and Senate are different, we can't nest in Northern California. CHAIR ANCHETA: one. I think we are - MS. CLARK: one more district? CHAIR ANCHETA: we're fine with that. MS. CLARK: So maybe this MTCAP District. It is If Ms. MacDonald is okay with that, One more minute. Should we try and do Okay, several thumbs up on that Siskiyou, Modoc, Shasta, Lassen, Plumas, Sierra and Nevada Counties all whole, Placer County is split. We saw that El split in western Placer County in the YUBA District. Dorado is whole and included in the MTCAP District as is Alpine County. The City of Folsom and some adjacent census places, Orangevale for example, are included in this visualization. The Folsom Lake area is intact as is the Lake Tahoe basin. CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, I believe we have several It's a thumbs up. Okay. Okay, I thumbs up and several not up. wasn't sure if that was a question. So, Q2, I haven't been tracking all the ones you've just covered. We will pick up certainly but you will have tracked the ones we have completed for this evening and we CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 354 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will start up with the ones that are left. MS. CLARK: Thank you. Okay, very good. Thank you. Q2, you can pack CHAIR ANCHETA: Okay, we're not quite done yet. up. Just in terms of our scheduling - again, I think we're obviously going to have to carry over into Saturday - as a preview both for the Commission and the public, the agenda over the next couple of days does include some business and some sessions involving our Voting Rights Act counsel. Mr. Brown will be here for open session in the morning tomorrow. There is a memo that is being circulated that So, will also be posted on the web for the public to see regarding Mr. Brown's opinions regarding certain areas of Los Angeles County and just some general Section 2 advice. We will have a closed session on Friday with Mr. Brown and also with Dr. Barreto, who will be with us. That will probably be about an hour and a half or so at the beginning of Friday morning. Let me ask, just to confirm, we do have some business items. I'm trying to limit those as much as possible to the extent that they can be sort of pushed back a little bit if they are simply reports. business to conduct, however. We do have some So my original plan was to have those in the morning following Mr. Brown's session. But I don't want to - obviously, we only have so much time CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 355 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to work on Southern California. So I'm thinking we can just get as much as we can done tomorrow morning and just move into late morning on Southern California. So, Q2, just as a - Ms. MacDonald, as I mentioned, if you can be here by late morning. MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. MACDONALD: CHAIR ANCHETA: Friday? No, tomorrow. Eleven o'clock? Eleven is fine. And then on Friday probably around ten-thirty would be ideal. Okay, I did assign a little bit of time for public comment so if there are any members of the public who want to give a very quick comment at the end of the session we can take those now. MR. PAYTON: Thank you. This is probably the last time I'm going to be here. I have to actually get back to work, all my businesses, deadline for my newspaper through August. But anyway, Allen Payton again, Contra Costa Citizens Redistricting Task Force. I do want to remind you of the 300 people that gave testimony from the first round of input before the first drafts came out, after the first drafts came out, emails, using the East Bay-OaklandRichmond Hills as a boundary line, natural boundary line between districts. I am encouraging you do that in the CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 356 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Congressional Districts. You did that in the State Assembly Districts and the State Senate, that looks good. And, again, the other thing with regards to the difference, Livermore-Pleasanton-Dublin, 925 area code. that whole west county, 510 area code. Richmond and They are different area codes, it really is a serious gap between Martinez and the west county as far as miles of roadway. I was on the Transportation Commission that approved that roadway and there is not much traffic going that way on Highway 4 westbound into - it's mostly going down 680 and mostly going 24 as far as the traffic from people going from central county and east county. And the last thing on the State Assembly and State Senate - or specifically State Assembly, that we can live with that latest iteration but the agriculture area at the bottom of that district that you created from Vallejo southeast, I guess, should probably go into that other Assembly District. There is not a lot of people out there and there is more commonality with agriculture into the Tri-Valley, Livermore Valley agriculture area. you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. AZIZ: Thank you. I just Okay, thank Hello again, commissioners. wanted to comment on the Congressional conversation. Commissioner Galambos-Malloy, thank you so much for, you CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 357 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 know, being a staunch supporter of Alameda County. But I really just wanted to mention the Livermore to San Jose - or San Ramon to San Jose district that was very, I guess, controversial to this Commission. We actually had kind of regional input into that and there were suggestions from Livermore, suggestions from Pleasanton who came with us in our first rally here who were incorporated in building this map. And also on the 25th there were at least, I believe, a couple of San Jose residents if not one City Council member who approved of the type of changes that were very similar to, I guess, the Barabba draft of the Congressional District. And the reason why the valley won't get kind of minimized in that district is because of the way that - the geographics of the area. If you know much about how the Congressional offices are run, it basically calls for - and the more and more population that's in the valley district, it basically calls for another district office from that Congressional office inside of that valley area, giving them unified representation. Basically, that valley area, you know, a quarter of the district would get one office and would get resources and access. Although, you know, the representatives themselves would be representative of San Jose to Livermore, we think that Livermore and the valley areas will still get good representation, they will CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 358 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 get strong district services because there will be need as a good representative to have an office there, and also that it will lead into a strong R&D and economic COI for the Livermore Labs. Pleasanton, they are really big on And that carries their R&D projects that are coming up. into Silicon Valley. So I'm just asking you to revisit that whenever you get a chance. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon or evening or Dave Salaverry from CCAG. CHAIR ANCHETA: MR. SALAVERRY: whatever it is, commissioners. I don't feel we did a very good job today presenting. Our mapper, Chris Bowman, had technical problems, as usual, and it probably didn't help that I yelled at him in the parking lot about being a Luddite. But it is very frustrating knowing how hard we tried and then failing to explain our maps properly. So I'm going to I'm just let you know that we will revisit our CD maps. going to be working with Mr. Bowman and we will present soon on a day when hopefully there are a few comments. would like five minutes, if we can get two minutes in installments, that's fine. Just to let you know, I think that we have solved a lot of the problems that came up here today. Commissioner We Blanco had issues with lower socioeconomic areas from CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 359 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Emeryville to Hercules, I think we've solved those. Commissioner Galambos-Malloy had problems with the Fremont to Livermore Congressional District, I think we've solved those. Commissioner Forbes had problems with the Marin going up to the North Coast Congressional District, I think we solved those as well. Commissioner DiGuilio had issues in San Joaquin and Stockton, I think we've solved those problems. And finally, Commissioner Ancheta will, I hope, So, anyway, Thank be happy with our Section 5 numbers and maps. we will be back to present more professionally/. you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. HOWARD: request. Thank you. Deborah Howard. I have a process And that is I completely understand why you meet I'm in closed session with your Voting Rights attorney. not exactly sure why the racially polarized voting analysis conducted for the Commission would have to be discussed in closed session. So if he needs to be a part of that But if that other discussion, I completely get that. information could be shared with the public that would be really helpful and reassuring. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: MS. HOWARD: today. Thank you. So that's my comment. And you all did really hard work So, as an observer, I think you had really good CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 360 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 discussion and I know it was slow but I think it was worth your time invested. So well done. Thank you. CHAIR ANCHETA: And just to address that question, because others may have that question, certainly for the closed session it is on counsel's advice that we meet in closed session with Dr. Barreto. So that's the nature of - If you could make the other Whatever can MS. HOWARD: information available, that would be great. be made available. CHAIR ANCHETA: Yeah. So, Commissioner Blanco? I just want to say to the COMMISSIONER BLANCO: public who has been concerned about us - guote/unquote - going dark that the work we did today and why we needed to have the time to really dig into this to really get things right, I hope they observed that this is why we are taking the time that we are taking, so that we can do the detailed work and really produce good quality maps. And I am very But this is excited that our visualizations are so timely. why we took the time to do what we're doing. CHAIR ANCHETA: And, again, I'm not - you know, obviously I'm trying to watch the clock as well, but I do not want to rush it through just to try to meet a Friday six p.m. deadline. We will do these maps right and if it But I think takes a little extra time we will do that. CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 361 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that's our common goal, is being sure we get these maps right. we can. Okay, and just as a reminder there are some visualizations that are going to be posted later this evening as well as Mr. Brown's memo. So do look at those Okay, thank you. And this is the week to get them in the best shape in preparation for tomorrow's meeting. So we are adjourned. (Meeting adjourned at 7:10 p.m.) CALIFORNIA REPORTING, LLC 52 Longwood Drive, San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-4417 362