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our

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with the
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21

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19

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that

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that

you say

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INHATE

last

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IS

was .an

that he.

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it

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cornment.

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just an impulsive

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was to j

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not treat it seriou

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r have

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from

you know -- no"no'fair treatment wa
U

thl;1

B6,ucL .

H

BOA.H.D

that

, l-look

reeted to' f4r.
aatisf

..

the 1a t document
13, 1971;

thi s was

be
talin,

dis~

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,t.b,
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ER;

. the (fact:

made about
on -­ on

life
25

on

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on

have

do

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5
6

MR. l'lCKISSACK:
II

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BOARD

$

I

don't

n'!call

stuck out .• in·

COLLIER

Sirhan,

HI',

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so

ago, I don't

-- t

hal

never, you know,

mind.
I'm not go og to tak

BOARO MEMBER COLLIER

12

"

I/jF~MBER

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,

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n

No, not other than what

u

up·

14

that

i
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r

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atric

p

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r
BOARD J:..1El<IBER

room and see .i

f

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comments about

any~'

Hr,
HR,

propose to

the Board
the
alliance,

25

et

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1
(He

BOARD

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your

I

that he was

Hr.

discussion

any of these

to talk
what a

shaft

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from the

1

if the Board

wa

I

or

in
10

t.he shaft

and i

wa

as to the
that he felt that he. was

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that

within the guideline

at the time

be in-

the

had a date,
Ie board

.

it
was given.
.
.

l<1R. !'leRI SSACK 1:.

I'd 1 ike him to an 5wer it,

IS

shafted -­

($

11

him on it,

t

20

All

90

f

ahead,

21

than

know

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it's
-­ than
25

my

the ql:les­

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1

it I rna I am .

've

3

the idea

the

board has not give out

. reductions

or
way.

in an equ

It' s

t

f·

That's

or

tbat~s

what the shafting.

was ..

If I may add t6

MR. MCKISSACK
the

I

it the 178 hear

I

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5

16

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Sirhan'

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1 t:

becau

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that

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f

wa~

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y,

it

no way t.lla t: he

that's

at

where he got· into
ems

01: 0

he c:oulc1 do it, was

ine popu­

h 'was

19

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the credit., unl ss that -

2

lat

think i

pa.rticular un t, t11

could

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INMATE SIRHli.N

in hi

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that'

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quali

for

·8

10

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death.

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the

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SIRHAN:

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to mc.

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that mean?

vie\oJ

parol

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t,

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th

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licit

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what does that mean to -

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o

never

you know,

of

is who e

me to the mainline,
._- you re

from the

other

sire
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t.he t

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the

see, you
•

know,

where I think
to push

Brown, in'

know

that
of me.

Kill me .

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mean

that

know, the

realist

wrong

10

"me.

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11 ,

I

t-~

narrow

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seem to f

in many

wi
or

A

SIRHAN:

you have a broader

wh~h

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yes, sir;

is, Mr.

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SEABRIDGE:

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16

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SIRHAN.

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Mr. Bir'kman

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them,
you

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of

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l''1EMBER

hour of high noon;

it is now tw.elve
we'll take an hour recess

back at ten minutes

after one.
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1 leave first.

soner

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record
10

CASTRO:

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who were
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in the room

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. Sirhan, we were about, r

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INJc1A'I'E SIRHAN

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McKissack and Mr. Sil::han, as

re­

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to

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me and make

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members.
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19, 197

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Sirhan dur
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BOARD MEMBER

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INMATE SIRHAN:
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PRESIDING

HE~1BER

CASTRO:, -'l'hat 1 s what I'm

bothered by. "

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MR., NCKI,SSACK:

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because

'6

came out

1

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ta

central file to be considered bY,the Board in April

9

of 1975, and I'm -­

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10

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PRESIDING ME!'>1BER

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apprbpriate time into the

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in1y He. Sirhan had no r.e£uwn to think thd tit: 


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Bolger's at;.t(w

15

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17

had

15

Mr. Smith

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r

20, " ,

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CASTRO:

MR. MCKISSACK;

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Jl1r. Bolger I

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MEMBER CASTRO:

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-- I do havB BomB informa 


it "las brought­ 


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25

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at 


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12

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la.t

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more

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more

IffE.::I.IUNG REPRESENTA:rrVE SEABRIDGE:
SIRHAN:
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Devious

f

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t~he

more

'active prisoner •.

just wanted to clari

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Okay.

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th"I.nk you.
On that 5ubject I would like

MR. MCKISSACK;

to add

Devious ')

'I'han

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE SEABRIDGE;

12

They're

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cour

a

the last hearing, I think

a parade of inmat

VC!

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accusations, all coming

unit.

16
'17

And I think

form that it's a place

(END OF TAPE FOUR) 


21

6-15-83

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COLLIER: •

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it relies

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f

not the entire thing

that re

to Sirhan .

that are accurate; there are

some

that are not; there are some things that

are matters

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mation~

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op

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the author

to Sirhan, nor

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to.

the attorney

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in

on the caso,

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Sirhan

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as

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S RHAN:
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16

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11

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HEARING REPRESENTATIVE SEABRIDGE:
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notification to
.

MR

MCKISSACK;

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emissary.
to me

even

it

not

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he had a problem
to Mr. Sirhan what

m(~thod

notice of; namely,

suppo~

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wouldn'
hav;;~

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the

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reasons

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S.EABRIDGE:

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lier,

have
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15

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1983

25

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of the

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covered

live

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on record the prognoses on

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to case factors and notori

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instant offens., extenaive
post-

sincere desire to leave the

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the

10
21

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here

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call
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r Derrick.'

to take the oath.

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"

swear or
the

, YOll

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you

truth, so he

OFF

, the
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God.

CASTRO:
I

you identi
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and
alhment

f

your

rah

r·

ok.

been

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'2
1

two years.

1

·of time,

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for you I and in

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what

you seen

S

DERRICK:
his di

The last

I have been

T

our unit,

r

in t.here,.

Sirhan works on
our unit,

What

of PHU-l

now

or so?
on~ICER

Prottiilct

inmate.
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280

OFFICER DERRICK: ' Serve the food;

the

set

~

;

can feeqthe population,

the

TheY'

reel

the serving

have to serve the inmates

food in

there! s, ,a lot of
to steal

j,

ause

off

line.

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on the

• MCKISSACK:

5

to s~Y'~

Do

who want ·an
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to snatch

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f

S:;.) hm"

have you abs rved

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15

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,

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s

We

J'

feel, with Sirhan than

more.

so
did.

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MR.

s

raised
Hr.

tted

Sirhan.

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raised

been a

about

DO you have an opinion

whether
on
10

DEHRICK
between f14if>.

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.and Sirhan.
don!t

I

1.

knew Si
1

to

... ;,

orne bad feelings

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'm

the unit too often

ure

1e and
there

19

ngs

but

1, real

ttl

8very~

some

Sirhan in the

10

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:r

have.
feel that was a very

that

MAl'lrif dCUN1'Y
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Mr. Sirhan

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2:

DERRICK:
, did she

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..

\"rith

:5

the same

unit?
. OFFICER DERRICK:

.

DERRICK:
the reaso

be

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f

it

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r

don't know of that

trans

MR. MCKISSACK:

he
form an

Did

she

other

as to

rhan and the

nmates?
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OFFICl~R

mean,

01'

transfer.

personal" problems

affected he.r

I

she transferred

that what

0

,
10

SSACK:

Yes"

't know whether

not.

it

seem to be under pressure.

her

rllional

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that -­ I have.a
low·
16, 196 ,

Sirhan and

It Seems to
Mr.

al

 284

7

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:I

in Ol!r unit. 'Two inmates were

3

I

There '\vas an
fist

inmates

s

one

turned to the

"

them/'
turn,

inmate who,

When

Sirhan and another

until other

and

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alate
Inmate

would have

hurt.
I haVe

RESIDING

Col

this other

further.

CASTRO;

ques

Ms,

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BOARD MF;MBEE COLLIER;

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quas

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my work" crew;

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CASTRO

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OFFICER DERRICK:

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.ll.nd are you ever

. CASTRO:

for the'

to

As a group?

asked

?

DERRICK

I have neVer made

.~

the Board.
PRESIDING MEMBER CASTRO:
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I

here

is your

three years.

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know

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CASTRO

no other

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of

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about Sirhan

t

1

ust.ment I but

bits marked
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1

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the
you1re

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you God?

the

lao.
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could you

Mr.

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counselor for

MR.

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abOtlt

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know it'

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gonna do?

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pas

then,

know; I

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thdt we

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me out .

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et'

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tomorrow,

w¢:~nt

work wpuld you

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work
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McKi
k me be

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we've tal

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s one

kind of use the
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courses that

have

taken.
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that I could
the i

the -­ to

,

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you know l

's your

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COLLIER

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that.

th.at,
you
you

INMA'l'E

kn(l\¥

• you re gonna have to

yes,

I

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about '

i
16

able to parole to

that

COLLIER.

That

11,

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7

18
19

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have an

20

21

,INMAT.E 51

Once I

have one, sir.

I

you don't now.

don t

have any

 3

4
INM...:l'I.TESIRHAN:

have relatives in Jordan I

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with them, or

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corn'lS
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INMATE 81

some 


them

this year . 

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parole

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not be

not,

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no

in

f

my

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lams to
you'

to Jordan t but
o

CASTRO

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1, you I

your reI

re

ives or whoever

full house,
I think I'lL

you a

the whole

?

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card you say

have not.

haven t.
PRESIDING

CASTRO:

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t

SIRHAN:
PRESIDING

From
CASTRO;

S RH.AN:

El<!HUlOt~

PRES DING

What's

name?

(PHONE'I'IC).
leanor?

CAfiTRO:

PRES

b1

mother s sister.

card trom
S

it you were to
your
with

Uni
th

Stat •• , you would

your mother?

SIRHAN:

in
?

you were

 333

'6

would be a

of alcoho

of total

SIRHAN;

Yes, I am aware of that.

you· have

never
CASTRO

it.

in the

to

How are you go

that you

cope

And

you out there

?
I

RHA,..l'iI :

Jus t

Evade them?

NG MEHBER

SIRHAN:

them.

Ilm

gonna go and look for

How
RHAN

a

If

?

It

I

need a firearm.
PRESIDING l<1EHBER CAS'rHO,

hav€i any

that a

It's you,!:"

l.Ulderstandin9

weapon?

0

that,

gun.
you can

And

?

COp!Si!

SIRHAN~

,never

the occasion
It knClw what:

would

my
my

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ever
,
'
ar1.5e.

MEMBER CASTRO:
"

HOW about in self­

defense?
INMATE SIRHA..1'{:

And

That

13

15\

natl,lral ri

, too.

to that.

how I

INMATE SIRHAN

nd of

Nhat
would you be

on your

end and

what

able

on

INMATE

IS

I

i

11

an

WQU

you be

n the labor market?
I

in

va

11

It's gonna take

jus

be, you know,
that I shouldn't

just

out, you

chance,

.'iro to

do go to the

 8
M~~ER

I Nf.aATE

.
SIRHAN:

CASTRO:
If

r

Pardon?

do go to a main i.ne , it

a trade that

..
5

z,iEMBER

available.
Sure.

You \"rere

t

\

SIRHAN:

"1

You

unit here is

S

work

9

all

1O

I

mean, all that
dishes and

You know f it r IS

t

f
You knm;r r or

of.

to a

1
1

o
PRES

(

MEMBER CASTRO.

Do you see the
1 t

?

response

BOARD

~~

horn

you::­

, Mr.. Sirhan
vary amenable to it.
have your

20

that she

"

be

 33(i

life

number:
6

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The question
had contact
with
ay about ten

SIRHAN:

on the

f

PRES

was fhe 1

CASTRO:

t time"

in
my
PRESIDING

CASTRO:
RllAN:

PRESI

Pardon?

19th.

On
CAS'I'RO

ArId

CASTRO

And,
with

CASTRO:

them; your

who 1

mcl.ny brothers '?
hex~

r

there are jus

two

 express

i

di~tress.

r'm sorry?

PRESIDING HEl<1BER C.ASTRO:

1

distress and just

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redne ••: of having to come up

)

every once in a while.

of the whole case

6)

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i

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15

I

you know; of the

as far'as community hatred,

,you I<now I

ar\~a

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I don1t

·,right

9'

like I the

friendly and very

10
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PRESIDING r.lEt4'BER CASTRO:

12

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of

H

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·y{)ur

know th;':d:. you a

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talking about the possibility
to

~-

home to"live with

rn()tll(~r

you can't answer that,

1'5

'cause you don't

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PRESIDING'

19

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20

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MEJ:41~ER

CA",~TR{);

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about;. t:he pos,." ioi 1.1 ty --"

YIaHii"

Y!1'\S r

sir.

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24
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pate any

?

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have you.

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who

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8
9
10

'SEABRIDGE

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WI
12

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ng

tbat you

"

14

of parole out of the
re to have.
1

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that. 'And

IS
16
7

you re paroled

8
19

back

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take

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made

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?
. INMA'rE SIRHAN:

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sought

have never

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from

form

I

fm

sure that

can

f

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EABRIDG.E:

emp

to

1
SIRHAN:

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?

e a versat:.il

I'm

1.

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EABRIDGE:

115

v€ r aat

11

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.HEARING

,

fellow,

a 5ituat:

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INMATE

Uh, no.

11'

12

,
. went

if you

or

13

14

?

on

Mr.

,

.

 '.

there.

has. some

SIRHAN:
IS

'.

He

lot of

e',

as

my

residence

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.
and

S RHAN

and

Just

SEABRIDGE:

".

t

.

,.

-something;.

say that

it hasn!

all of
NO\4;

I! m

way back here

mentioned ~ver about a

,'.

't ni.en

it

'I'he West Bank

. WJ.th him

fami
not

don't

k.now,

.e

 4

1.s he still

HEARING
-',

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?

?

Or how does he get by?

s
And what kind

SEABRIDGE:
~ ...

",

now, he went

..when

were about I

I

twelve

thereab0uts?
INl1ATE -SIRHAN:
And you

SEABRIDGE:

ime

t , "'"

.INMA'I'E SIRHAJ'J:

e

!)Io,.1 have not.

And I'd

him
HEARING'REPRESP:NTATIVE

cif

'va .eer your own

SEAl3RIDGE:

What 'other
you s

nations

hat

those.

 '.

Well, a

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE. SEABRIDGE:

'and a residence and that.
livelihood.

INMATE SIRHAl'I:
"

What'! s -­

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE SEABRIDGE:

had any more contact with

have

INMATE SIRHAN;

have not.

No,
J

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What

SEABRIDGE.

that

7

at that

But I understand that -- well, .
the

~'las

978
to Mr

it .'78 or '7

Mehdi to make a query to Arab

, you know, to hi
13

and

14

p

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have you.

in

count
;\nd

:5

I made the

he

To

connections
up a

friends

r

you know, a paro

SI ,

turn, sent let tars to the
, s

0

/1

sadors
that II

in any of their

UI

laws.

I

9

that came back
one from

Li

11

bIe).

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to

What's your

 343' .,

6

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actual
"

I'm Pales
"

by birth and
an

my mother

REPRESENTATIVE

an

you are
1

by cit!
birth;'

SIRHAN:
HEARING REPRESENTA'I'IVE

I

thanks to

INMATE S

America'

treatment

the

les

/

HEPRESENTi\,l'
ng to

o

you

SEABRIDGE:

In terms of

countries, would
1.

pUl~po8e

and your his

t

.in

rms

of wh,,,,t

done

would

I NriATE
8

thi

hWl"lani

victim

sir.

And

would

et.'; them as •
(;U'ii

a persecuted

to help me as, on 'a
than on a

What would

1

 344 


7
<.

1

s

!

1

3.

S

mist.reated you. 


I'm 


INMATE 51
than lim

here.

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REPRESENTATIVE

5

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That

~

I

about the sarne,

mean, to

t "Ji th

position.

i

I

'out there and

am not

r, you know terrorism.

j

10
11

Okay.

, the same, your posi

6

,


no differently

t.
want

And

you

this

to
j

my I i

1

you have

~~

flOW,

you

, and you would

leome in other

·1

of our

10

I'm

t.he fact that

It,
9

out

normal person would.

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE SEABRIDGE:
curious

just

I

f

or some
are you

but
than just

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22
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.,

24

the
was

-

lSi

t
"-­

Y you know

that

 345

18
1

you would ask

,rather oonsi

formal deporta­

1
:I

z

I donit

-4

5
6

REPRESEN'rATIVE SEABRIDGE:

just 


7

you w0)11d

s with

and Natura

I

th a hear-

for

9

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the

I

would be

I s

INMATE SIRHPu"l:
'\Ters

o

1m not deport­

law, as I under5
12

to

on

own.

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE SEABlUDGE:

do

abl

I

13

If

me.

14

15

I WQuld 


you

how do you

tand that

1.

you f

:t't"1

not

itS

11
1!J

f

my

when

rece
that

19

10
'21

that I'm not

;U

there?
he

 9

346

MR. MCKISSACK:

I don't know

That would be the theory.

Yeah

current.

that~

ly,

But,

; I wasn 1 t S

Mr

Sirhan"
of origin,

But he has
basical
look i

East

Midd

of 1'1'1
. So i

ini1'1n

so

But

'8

n

the

IS

go.

1%

o

l1Jld

that

fermal

had in mind,
want him
him out of

j

b

) say r all d

back
that iL

't

a condition,

at

 00

reasons
1

in terms

you some

of the federal

the right to supersede

state

post-release

in terms of

I

I have no, parole

SIRHAN

you call, hold

no,

I. have

on me.
No.

HEARING REPRESENTATIVE

'1"13

gonoa
513

you.

I

a says,

--­

that pe

On this matter

1 law would
And

Cali

you on parole. "

appe:ar .to

1

But

parole fro~ California, and

you

f

Is.

that?

Did you ever

1

of formal

this

and rim

but it

upersede the

would be

t

n, the fim'L1119
that r'm not

not

on the

basi

of

me.
10

e,:::tent

the

0

I

I'm

that reached

racol ec-·

 348

01
tion is --

I

remember

.in the file.

But it was back around !79

i t was bizarre.

I

.:I

I

4

I

S.

ment in

haven

since, because truthful

looked at

But

it.

just

was.some

effect that

crime was, believe

wasn 't·

or

Because it

my

out

50,

name

there was
know \-ihat

as an

't make any sense.

on that
But

the

. that

' t know why it was said

• s ta

auae
but I

about. 

moral

INHl\'l'E 


~1CKI

state~

h.

It

HI;~i\RING

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your mi

that

fiion

10
l!

thli5lffi

t

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dea

donit do

of

,

sure, like you

I

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what goes on in

you:t

an

i:lr,~ea

SIRHAN:

..

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~we

SEABRIDGE
don't haVB

I'm

"t:b.{~

to

o
Not

t

but I

u
nd

t

t.

t:

t.h

C5

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n

h
kno~v

i .

,

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me.

would
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go to

Lebanon
5

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just want·

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and all

to
.,

that.

me,
I'm not
DO

in that

That s all
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j

\,,<,ant to'

out

REPRESENTATIVE,SEABRIDGE:

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over there, aren't

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know

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art

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it.
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,

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.

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they have

for

1 •..

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,

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J

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ans

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Sirhan

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iat

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15

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bear

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transcriber for WM. E.

That t

that

iSUll

247

pages 1

of t.he fore-

5

Terms
lee
10

the

5

in the
WHEREOF,

thi

tape reeo

pro­

am not a counselor

I

attorney for
any way i

by

son Te

I

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t

o

hearing; nor in
aid

have hereunto sat my hand
1983