SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/?2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/"13/2013 19:56 Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) - - Orlgmal Informatron Ongmal Page: 1 Date Added: 03/ 14/2013 Added By: (1273) MCCANN, 1 Charges Charge Type Description Statute UCR An 1 State DEATH NVESTIGATION DEATH 999 Com Alcohol, Drugs or Computers Used Location Type Premises Entered Forced Entry Weapons Alcohol Drugs Computers 5 OFFICE Yes No 1. Entry Exit Criminal Activity 2- 3. Bias R?Iotivation Bias Target Bias Circumstances Bias Group Victim Type Code Name(Last, First, NI) AKA 1 v1 55)? DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes Victim of Crimes 0 1 0 1 License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: Address Hm ph: Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address Wk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Status: Long Form Filed Victim Rights? Yes No Requested? Yes No 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera . . . Agenc" SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 031/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Original Information Original Page: 2 Date Added: 03/ 14/2013 Added By: (1273) MCCANN, Related Name Relationships is CHILD to MAYNARD. ROBERT is CHILD to DANIEL. GRACE LUCILLE is OTHERWISE KNOWN to GROUT. MARTHA MAYNARD. ROBERT is PARENT to DANIEL. GRACE LUCILLE is PARENT to Assisting Of?cers (771) LEAL. (806) CONWAY. (1273) MCCANN. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBcll Rd. Scottsdalc.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Original Information Original Page: 3 Date Added: 03/14/2013 Added By: (1273) MCCANN, Notes Narratives On 3/13/13 at approximately 1956 hours. was pronounced deceased at 9001 Shea @Scottsdale Healthcare Shea. On 3/13/13 at approximately 2324 hours. I was dispatched to 9001 Shea reference a death. Dispatch stated the medical examiners asked for PD to investigate the death of an 18 month of female. Upon arrival. I spoke to Jackie (charge nurse employee On 3/ 13/ 13 at approximately 1915 hours. SFD arrived at SHC Shea with an 18 month old child that was not breathing. SHC employees perfomled life saving measures but at approximately 1956 hours. Dr Samaddar pronounced deceased. Jackie was able to gather further information from Robert Maynard (father Robert was in town from Maine with his family for a wedding. Robert? 5 daughter. has had retinal cancer. While in town. Robert and his wife found a doctor for alternative medicine rather than traditional treatment for the cancer. On 3/13/13 at approximately 1545 hours. they took to see Dr Martha Grout located at . Dr Grout gave 1 of Lateril. The medication was supposed to be given Intravenous but was given orally. Robert left for dinner with his family. At approximately 1715 hours. Robert arrived back at Dr Grout?s of?ce because had been acting strange. had decreased respiration but her heart rate was ?ne. While at Dr Grout? 5 of?ce. stopped breathing and CPR began. SFD was called at approximately 1851 hours and transported to SHC Shea. Jackie stated Robert and his family were no longer at the hospital and was already in the hospital morgue. Robert was staying with his brother-in-law (James Walker at in Gilbert. Jackie provided a patient care report which was later turned over to detectives. Detective Leal #771 and CSS later arrived and took over the investigation at the hospital. Detectives contacted the family and medical examiner?s of?ce. see their supplements for further. I did not speak to Robert or any other family members. End of 1273 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/14/2013 15:34:34 Added By: (771) LEAL, 1 Supplement Notes On 03/ 14/2013 at approximately 0030 hours. I was at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center assisting Special Victims Unit Detective Penner with an investigation. Also in the building was my supervisor Sergeant Thornton who was the on-call supervisor for the Crimes Against Persons Section. Sergeant Thornton informed me that there was an 18 month old baby girl at the hospital who had passed away and was currently in the morgue. Sergeant Thornton informed me that he had already been speaking with Detective Paxson of the Violent Crimes Unit and she was going to be handling the investigation. but was requesting that I respond to the hospital to examine the child? 5 body for any signs of trauma or foul play. I left the Family Advocacy Center and arrived at Scottsdale Health Care-Shea located at 9003 E. Shea at I met with Of?cer McCarm who provided me with a copy of the paperwork generated by Scottsdale Fire Department who had transported the child to the hospital. I later turned the paperwork over to Detective Paxson. After getting the paperwork I told of?cer McCarm that he could clear from the hospital and go back in service. CSS Oleksik met with me near the security of?ce and we were escorted to the morgue by security of?cer Gallimore. Upon arrival to the morgue. security of?cer Gallimore unlocked the door that leads into morgue. Inside the morgue was a large walk in refrigerated room. where the victim was located. There were no other people inside the room or inside the refrigerated walk in room. The victim. identi?ed as was lying on a gumey and was pulled out of the re?igerated room so that we could examine her. Prior to unzipping the body bag. I had SS Oleksik begin taking photographs for evidence purposes. The body bag was an adult size bag and it had been folded in half to accommodate 5 small size. On top of the white body bag was photocopied paperwork from Scottsdale Fire Department which was the same paperwork that Of?cer McCann provided me along with a piece of paperwork from the hospital. I had security of?cer Gallimore make me a copy of that piece of paperwork. which I later provided to Detective Paxson. Attached to the body bag were two body tags one of which had 5 name and date of birth on it. The body bag was completely zipped up and I unzipped it. was covered with a white hospital sheet. I then uncovered exposing her entire body. was completely naked and was lying on top of a tan pair of shirts that had been cut off of her (presumably by hospital sta?). I then began to document the body starting from the feet working my way to the head. Listed below are the items I observed attached to 5 body. On the left foot attached to the left big toe was a toe tag with the name on it with a date of birth of Attached arormd the left ankle was an ID bracelet with her name and date of birth on it. In 5 right shin was an Interoseous IV No signs of trauma or deformity to her genitals A pulse oximeter attached to 5 left thumb on her left hand An IV in 5 left crook of her left arm An ID bracelet attached to 5 right wrist with her name and date of birth on it 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 3 Date Added: 03/14/2013 15:34:34 Added By: (771) LEAL, A white AED pad attached to chest 2 heart monitor tabs on the left side of rib cage one tab above the nipple line and other below the nipple line 1 heart monitor tab on 5 right shoulder Clear breathing tube in 5 month which is attached used some type of a hospital tape Clear tube that went into the left nostril of nose Right was crusty with a brown ?aky substance on it and looking into the socket. the area was swollen plu?ple. grayish with some brown coloring to it. Left was clear and appeared to be hazel in color. the was dilated. The ears were clear no signs of ?uid The skull was and I did not feel any signs of deformity or obvious signs of trauma In rolling over onto side I was able to examine her back and noticed lividity which was consistent with her body positioning In the center of her back was another AED pad. No signs of deformity or trauma with the body 5 body was photographed by CSS. Once I ?nished my examination of I re-wrapped her body in the white hospital sheet and then zipped up the body bag all the way up. I then left the hospital and returned to the Family Advocacy Center where I turned over the paperwork I had obtained to Detective Paxson. The paperwork was left on her desk. This ends my involvement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/15/2013 23:08:19 Added By: (B1386) OLEKSIK, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 898476 IMPOUND 77 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value (bl386-2) Fingerprint Sheet From Maynard 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/?2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/ 16/2013 16:54:45 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 898548 WOUND 83 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Buccal Swab From Grace Daniel (maynard) 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: lGun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: C1 Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/?2013 23:24 Found 03/13f2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/ 16/2013 17:05:53 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 898549 IMPOUND 77 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Ten Prints Of Grace Daniel (maynard) 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: lGun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13f2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/ 16/2013 17:19:19 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 5 WOUND 77 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Ten Prints Of Robert Maynard 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/16/2013 17:45:39 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 5 5 5 WOUND 83 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Buccal Swab From Robert Maynard 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/1312013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) (j . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/21/2013 19:15:35 Added By: (867) GRIFFITTS, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 IMPOUND 07 COMPAQ Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color AZCAM-DT12 Black Grey Description Quantity UM Value Desktop Computer 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property On 3121113 at approximately 1545 hours. I was working in my capacity as a police detective in the computer crimes unit when I assisted in the service of search warrant SW2013-015028 pursuant to Scottsdale Police Department report 13-05991. a death investigation. Prop ID Status Class NCIC X'Iake/ll'lodel Serial Number 2 MPOUND 07 APPLE A1395 Owner Owner Applied Nun?Ibel? License State Color Black Grey Description Quantity UNI Value Ipad 64 Gb Tablet 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: On at approximately 1545 hours. I was working in my capacity as a police detective in the computer crimes unit when I assisted in the service of search warrant SW2013-015028 pursuant to Scottsdale Police Department report 13-0599]. 21 death investigation. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 03/21/2013 19:15:35 Added By: (867) 1 Supplement Notes 193715 Voucher ID created for this supplement. On 3/21/13 at approximately 1545 hours. I was working in my capacity as a police detective in the computer crimes unit when I assisted in the service of search warrant SW2013-015028 at . pursuant to Scottsdale Police Department report 13-05991. a death investigation. I recovered a black iPad 64GB tablet from the of?ce of Dr. Grout and impounded it as item 899564. I recovered a black HP Compaq desktop computer from the of?ce of Dr. Grout and impounded it as item 899563. I impounded both items in the secured property/evidence cage located at the Computer Crimes Unit at District Three. Detective Sullivan #706 recovered an Apple iPhone from the of?ce of Dr. Grout and extracted a logical image ?le report at the location of the warrant. He saved the iPhone report to a government media storage device and turned the storage device over to me. I later copied that ?le to a government computer for storage. This comcluded my involvement in this incident at this time. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/1312013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/22/2013 12:11:17 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 899646 IMPOUND 77 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Business Card For Martha Grout Md 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 2 899647 IMPOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value 6 Vials With Liquid Of Amigdalina B17 6 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 3 WOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Martha Grouth CV 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 03/22/2013 12:11:17 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 4 1 WOUND 77 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Novodalin B17 Tablets 100 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 5 WOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Book- Healing Cancer With Common Sense 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 6 WOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Book- An Alphabet Of Good 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 03/22/2013 12:11:17 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 7 899684 IMPOUND 77 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Book- Alive And Well 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 8 5 WOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Pamplet- Insulin Potentiation Therapy 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 9 WOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Web Md Magazine 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: . gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 03/22/2013 12:11:17 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Handbook Of Cancer Chemotherapy 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Book- World Without Cancer 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Book- De?ntive Guide To Cancer 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 03/24/2013 10:25:16 Added By: (844) HEINZELMAN, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION Assigned Detective: Jennifer Paxson #600 Reporting Detective: John Heirrzehnan #844 On Friday aftemoon. March 15th. 2013. I became involved in this investigation. I learned that an eighteen month old female named was pronounced deceased at Scottsdale Healthcare-Shea on Wednesday evening. March 13th. She had previously been treated by Dr. Martha Grout at the at . 5 body had been turned over to the Maricopa County Medical Examiner? 5 Of?ce and an autopsy was done Friday morning. The initial report stated that father identi?ed himself to hospital staff as Robert Maynard and he gave a phone nlunber of . There was no information as to the mother?s identity. Robert had told the hospital staff that he and his family are from Maine and were in Arizona to attend a wedding. had been diagnosed with retinal cancer prior to their arrival in Arizona. They sought out alternative treatment for her While in Arizona and saw Dr. Grout. Dr. Grout gave one gram of Laetrile orally Wednesday afternoon. Later that evening. died. Detectives Lockerby and Paxson conducted some intemet research and told me they believed Robert to be Robert Maynard and his wife to be Grace Maynard. nee Daniel. It was also believed that they live in Dexter Maine. Dexter is in Penobscot County and does not have a full time police department. I called the Penobscot County Sheriffs Of?ce dispatch center and spoke to a dispatcher named Josh. He was able to con?rm that Robert has a Maine driver?s license with a PO Box address in Dexter. He was unable to ?nd any record for Grace. It was believed that Robert and Grace were staying locally at a relative?s residence at in Gilbert. To this point. there was no con?rmation that Robert and Grace are actually biological parents and neither had spoken with police. Detective Paxson drafted an Order of Detention to Obtain Biological Evidence from Robert and Grace. The order allowed us to photograph them and collect buccal swabs and ?ngerprints. Friday evening. Detective Cristiani and I went to to potentially bring Robert and Grace in for interviews and to execute the order. The order was signed sometime after 8:00pm. Detective Paxson called Robert?s cell phone several times but got no answer. At about 9:00pm. Detective Cristiani and I went to the front door. I rang the bell and knocked several times with no answer. As we were at the front door. a pick-up truck pulled into the driveway. A white male exited the driver? 5 door and identi?ed himself as Bruce Walker. I identi?ed us and told him that we were looking to speak with Robert and Grace. He told me that they were out to dinner and were staying at an Extended Stay in Phoenix. Detective Cristiani asked Bruce which one and he said they had checked out and were staying at his son?s residence in Phoenix. I asked for a phone number to the residence and he told me that they don?t have a phone. Bruce said that his son recently married Grace?s sister. They just returned from their honeymoon. Robert. Grace and came in from Maine for the wedding. Robert and Grace were returning on Sunday morning. 5 body was going to be sent on Monday and they were going to have a funeral service in Maine that week. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 03/24/2013 10:25:16 Added By: (344) HEINZELMAN, I told Bruce that it was important that I speak with Robert and Grace. He said he would call them and opened his cell phone. He then closed his phone and gave me Robert?s cell phone number. Bruce told me that he was going to call Robert and tell him that he gave me his phone number. I asked him if he could call Robert so I could speak with him. Bruce told me that he would call Robert later. I gave him my card and cell phone number and told him again that it was very important that Robert call me. I thanked him for his time and we left. I returned to the Scottsdale amin Advocacy Center and spoke with Detective Paxson. A few moments later. she received a phone call from Robert. He told her that he and Grace would meet us at 2:00pm. Saturday. March 16th. At about 1:00pm. Saturday afternoon. Detective Paxson told me that she received a voicemail message from an attorney stating that Robert and Grace would not be coming in to meet us. She called the attomey and explained that she had an Order of Detention for them. He told Detective Paxson that he would call Robert and advise them to meet with us that day. At about 3: 1 5pm. Robert and Grace arrived at the Advocacy Center. Detective Paxson spoke to Robert in Interview Room #1 and Detective Lockerby spoke with Grace in Interview Room I operated the electronic equipment in the monitor room and recorded both rooms. I later gave DVD copies of the contacts to Detective Paxson. Both Robert and Grace declined to give interviews. I took digital photographs of both Robert and Grace and their driver?s licenses. It was discovered that Grace has a driver?s license from Virginia and that she and Robert are not legally married. Her legal name is Grace Lucille Daniel. Grace? 5 sister Joy Daniel was with them. Detective Lockerby spoke with her in Interview Room I recorded that interview and later gave the DVD to Detective Paxson. Eventually. Robert. Grace. and Joy left. Detective Lockerby told me that Joy told him that Grace has a blog on the intemet. I retrieved the undercover laptop computer and located Grace's blog. Grace writes a colulml called "Grace 011 Purpose" at gracieworks.wordpress.com. The page was linked to her FaceBook and Twitter pages. I used SnagIt to capture rolling PDF copies of all three pages. I later copied them to a compact disk and gave the disk to Detective Paxson. All of Grace?s pages were open and public. After I copied the pages. their settings were changed to private. End of supplement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera v. . . Agency' SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Found 03:"13f2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/24/2013 12:22:31 Added By: (844) HEINZELMAN, 1 Other Persons Involved Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 1 I 10 KATONA. JENNIFER IVIICHELLE SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 3 506 15 RED HAZ License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, NI) AKA 2 I 10 SARTOR. KYLE THOMAS SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 2 5 5 10 190 BRO BRO License: DL II) Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 3 1 10 PURSELLEY. RAY 111 Ray Otis Purselley SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 47 603 220 BRO BRO License: DL II) Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address W'k ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide Agency: SPD 88 Location Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, El Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Case Number: 13-05991 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 03/24/2013 12:22:31 Added By: (844) HEINZELMAN, 1 Other Persons Involved Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 4 I 10 NGUYEN. TOTRAM SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes A 501 100 BLK BRO License: DL I: Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, .?Iarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 1312013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 03/24/2013 12:22:31 Added By: (844) HEINZELMAN, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION (SEARCH WARRANT) Assigned Detective: Jennifer Paxson #600 Reporting Detective: John Heinzehnan #844 On Thursday. March 21. 2013. Detective Paxson drafted a search warrant to search the at A Maricopa County Superior Court Judge signed the search warrant. At 3:45pm. Detectives Lockerby. Paxson. McWilliams. Grif?tts and I arrived at the business and began execution of the search warrant. The two-story medical business is at the south end of the building in an of?ce park. The front door faces east and leads into an open lobby area. There is a reception desk in the lobby and an open area behind the reception desk. There are of?ces and medical examination rooms arranged all around the outside of the business. There is a staircase immediately north of the front door leading to the second ?oor. There is a large open conference room above the reception area. Several open bookcases are on the west wall in the conference room and were ?lled with books. There are of?ces and medical examination rooms arranged all around the outside of the business similar to the ?rst ?oor. The business was open and there were several employees and patients still there. I spoke with the business CEO Ray Purselley. He asked if we could not search until the last patient was gone and I agreed. At about 4:30pm. I was told that all of the patients were gone and only employees were left in the business. I was told that Dr. Grout treated at about 3: 15pm on Wednesday. March 13th. Licensed Practical Nurse Jennifer Katona assisted her. I sat down with Jennifer Katona. She identi?ed herself by Arizona driver? 5 license. She told me that she is the nursing supervisor at the business and she has been an LPN for six years. I was about to start my digital recorder and Jennifer told me that she didn?t want to speak with me without an attorney present. I asked Jennifer if she had an attorney she would like to contact. She told me that the medical practice has an attorney she would like to contact before speaking with me. I gave her my business card and ended the contact with her. At 4:50pm. Naturopathic Medical Doctor Nguyen met with me. We went back to her of?ce. She identi?ed herself by California driver? 5 license and told me that she did not have an Arizona driver?s license. Dr. Nguyen told me that she has been with the practice since October 29th. 2012. I asked her if she was at the practice on Wednesday. March 13th. She said she was but she was in her of?ce the entire time and didn?t see any patients. I asked her if she heard what happened that day and Dr. Nguyen said she heard that a patient had died. I asked Dr. Nguyen if she used Vitamin B-17 or laetrile and she said she didn?t. I asked her for her medical opinion of the drug and she told me that she doesn?t use it so therefore does not have a medical opinion on it. I told her that I understood she didn?t use the drug but asked her what she knew of it. She told me that she doesn?t use it and has not done any research on it. I ended our conversation and thanked her for her time. At 5: 10pm. I spoke to Kyle Sartor. He identi?ed himself by Arizona driver?s license. Kyle told me that he has been working at the practice for over two years and that he rotates between billing and working the reception desk. He told me that he was working billing on Wednesday March 13th. He said he remembered a young couple bringing a baby into the of?ce on Wednesday afternoon. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: o3/24/2o13 12:22:31 Added By: (344) HEINZELMAN, He said they consulted with Dr. Grout but he didn?t know what the consultation was about. Kyle said he believed Robert paid cash for the consultation time but he couldn?t remember. He said he heard later that the baby had died. I ended the interview and thanked him for his time. At 5:25pm. I sat down with Ray Purselley in his upstairs of?ce. He identi?ed himself by Arizona driver?s license. He told me that he is the CEO of the business but that he does not involve himself with the medical portion nor does he have any medical training himself. He said the business was originally located on Raintree and they moved to their current location in April of 2012. Ray told me that he has worked with Dr. Grout since 2011. I asked him what he knew of the incident we were investigating. He told me that he heard a girl came in and said no one would treat her. Dr. Grout said she would. I asked her who that was and he clari?ed and said a couple came in and said no one would treat their child. I asked him if he was referring to and he said he was. Ray said he doesn?t know exactly how Dr. Grout treated He said he was in his of?ce on Wednesday afternoon but was not aware of the situation until an ambulance arrived. He said he drove Dr. Grout to the hospital that evening following the ambulance. Ray told me that he has seen Dr. Grout treat several patients with laetrile. He described one situation where a woman came in with three breasts. Ray said Dr. Grout treated her with laetrile and eventually the third breast disappeared. He described Dr. Grout as an excellent doctor. I concluded my interview with Ray. I searched several of the medical examination rooms but formd nothing of evidentiary value. I searched the pham1acy and found three bottles of Novodalin B-17 on a shelf. They were 500milligram tablets and each bottle contained one hundred tablets. The writing on the bottle was in Spanish and it stated it was from Mexico. We collected one bottle as evidence. I went upstairs and searched the examination rooms. I found nothing of evidentiary value. I looked through several books on the bookshelves. I found nothing referring to pediatrics or the treatment of children speci?cally except one general information book that appeared to be written for parents. Two books contained references to laetrile. One book was "Handbook of Cancer Chemotherapy" and the second was "Defmitive Guide to Cancer". Both books were collected as evidence. We concluded the search warrant and left the business. End of supplement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/26/2013 08:13:12 Added By: (853) MCWILLIAMS, 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation DR #13-05991 Det. B. McWilliams #853 On 3/21/13 I was became involved in this investigation. I learned the eighteen month old female victim. had passed away 011 3/13/13. She had last been treated by Dr. Grout at the in Scottsdale on 3/ 13/ 13. It was learned by investigators that Dr. Grout administered an oral dose of Laetrile. Det. J. Paxson advised that she had drafted and received a search warrant. SW #2013-015028. to search the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine. as part of her death investigation. At approximately 1555 hours I arrived 011 scene at the medical of?ce. SPD detectives assisting in the search warrant had arrived a short time prior to my arrival. I met with Det. J. Heinzelman on the second ?oor of the office near some book shelves containing numerous medical books. He told me to assist Det. Grif?tts with securing the computer server room on the ?rst ?oor. I responded to the ?rst ?oor and stood by the entrance to the computer server room. Medical of?ce personnel advised that an IT person familiar with their computer system and server was on his way to assist us in any way needed. Det. F. Grif?tts with the SPD Cyber Crimes Unit conducted a visual exam of the computer system and server equipment. We then responded to Dr. Grout? 5 of?ce so Det. Grif?tts could access the desktop computer. A return of search warrant was completed documenting each item that was removed by Det. Grif?tts from the medical of?ce. A copy of the return of search warrant was left at the medical of?ce. along with a copy of the search warrant. See Det. Grif?tts supplement for further information. At approximately 1900 hours I secured ?om the scene and had no further involvement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 04/01/2013 16:32:33 Added By: (867) 1 Supplement Notes DR 1 3-0599 1 Death Investigation Detective F. Grif?tts #867 On 3/21/13 at approximately 1545 hours. I was working in my capacity as police detective in the computer crimes unit when I responded to . to assist with the service of search warrant 2013-015028 related to Scottsdale Police Department report 13-05991. a death investigation. I arrived with Detective Paxson #600. Detective Heinzelman #844. and Detective Lockerby #707. and Detective McWilliams #853. Of?ce manager Ray Purselley escorted us to the second ?oor to a conference room in the loft. After introductions and initial interviews. Purselley escorted me to the computer server located on the north hallway of the ?rst ?oor. I observed the server. identi?ed as AZCAM . a single black server case with ?ve of the eight hard drive bays occupied. The hard drives were each labeled on the front of the drive by as 450 GB capacity. Purselley contacted the manager of the clinic?s IT services by telephone and turned the phone over to me. The IT manager introduced himself as Fady Salama. the IT manager for WGM Associates. Fady described the server as a ?at. layer-two network with twenty-nine (29) terminals and four virtual servers hosted on the physical server. The four virtual servers were (utilized for VPN). womain Controller). and (the mail exchange server). The ?ve hard drives were con?gured in a RAJD 5 (striped with parity) for a total allocated capacity of 992 GB. occupied by 753 GB of data. While I was speaking with Fady by telephone. Alex Matthews (later identi?ed by his AZ Driver?s License as Don Alejadre Matthews) contacted me and introduced himself as the local network administrator. Alex explained that the server maintained the business fmancial records of each patient for the clinic. Each patient?s records were maintained in separate folders on the server. Alex told me that most of the patients? medical information was stored on a remote server. hosted by a company called Practice Fusion. Detective McWilliams remained with the server while I investigated Dr. Grout?s access to the twenty-nine terminals within the facility. I contacted Dr. Grout in her of?ce with Detective Paxson. Dr. Grout informed me that her computer was powered on and was password protected (usemame: AZCAM\mgrout and password: Dr. Grout con?rmed that most patient medical records were saved on a remote storage service called Practice Fusion. After consulting with Detective Swanson and Detective Sullivan. we concluded that there was no way to acquire a forensic image of the server or Dr. Grout? 5 hard drive without violating HIPAA regulations. Dr. Grout?s computer. an HP Compaq was on the ?oor behind her desk. I utilized the forensic utility Live Detector (version 2.7.6) to capture memory and record rmming processes and services. I saved the data to a govermnent removable USB media storage device. I later transferred the ?le to a government forensic computer. I removed the power from the back of the computer without shutting down the operating system. I seized the HP Compaq and later transported it to District Three to keep it secured until a HIPAA compliant examiner could analyze the media. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 01.30113, Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Case Number: 13-05991? Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) 1 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 04/01/2013 16:32:33 Added By: (867) There was an iPad tablet and an Apple iPhone on the desks in Dr. Grout?s of?ce in plain view. I turned the iPhone over to Detective Sullivan. Detective Sullivan utilized Celleblite data extraction utility to extract a logical ?les report and a ?le system report from the iPhone. The original iPhone device was turned back over to Dr. Grout after the data extraction was completed. I seized the iPad pursuant to the search warrant and later transported it to Distrcit Three to keep it secured until a HIPAA compliant examiner could analyze the media. I impounded the seized items at the secured storage locker cage within the computer crimes unit at District Three as Item 899564 etective Swanson sent a preservation request to Practice Fusion to preserve all data related to this investigation. (iPad) and 899563 (HP Compaq). I maintained the memory capture and the iPhone extractions on secured government storage media located at the Scottsdale PAC. Forensic examinations of seized media are pending further HIPAA directives. This concluded my involvement in this incident at this time. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 for any questions regarding this material, SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: gen? SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . 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Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Incident Investigation Report Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 04/02/2013 00:46:37 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 4 WOUND 06 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Tan Description Quantity UM Value Skort 1 1 .00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . 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Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . 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Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: . gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/201 3 23:24 Found 03/1352013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 04/ 10/2013 09:05:09 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 7 1 3 WOUND 77 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Spiral omnal 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 8 902914 IMPOUND 77 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Envelope "az Receipts". 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Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 04/ 10/2013 09:05:09 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Medical Docs- Az Center Of Adv Medicine 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Supplement Page: 1 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Supplement Information Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Case Number: 13-05991 Supplement Notes INTERVIEW WITH GRACE DANIEL 011 March 16th 2013 Det. H. Lockerby #707 Det. J. Paxson #600 Det Heinzelman #844 Grace Daniel DET right. you can go right in here and (unintelligible). I?ll be light back. okay? (Unintelligible). Grace. another Detective? gorma come and help me. I?ll be right with you. You can take a seat right over there in that chair. okay? GRACE I?m ?ne. DET you. Okay (unintelligible)? Okay do we walma - um. I just DET gorma take care of her. DET (unintelligible) I?ll go ?rst. DET DET who?s gonna do the buccals? DET can ((Crosstalk)) DET HEINZELMAN: . . .real quick. DET (1mintelligible) wherever you wanna start. DET I can come in and give you the - the prints. DET prints? Yeah and then you can come in here and (unintelligible). DET DET copy of the orders right here DET 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET envelope (unintelligible). DET hi how are you? GRACE DET GRACE DET I?m Hugh. nice to meet you guys. DET DET second. DET HEINZELMANzaJnintelligible). DET they?re - they?re just gomla take a few seconds here. um -- all right Grace do you understand we?re - why we?re here right now? GRACE I?ve been advised (unintelligible). DET - yeah. um. it- sorry - 11111. DET you want us to grab a photograph from her? DET DET DET I need some (unintelligible). DET -- okay. DET be right back - I?ll be right back. DET DET 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET part of - because you guys are ?rom out of state. um. I just walma get a quick photograph of you. GRACE DET that?s okay? DET you can just stand right here as still as you could. (Unintelligible). Okay - okay. thank you. There you go. Have a seat. relax. This is gomla take. uh. just a few minutes. I gotta ?ll out some paperwork here real quick. All right. here (unintelligible) leave blank areas and then we don?t - okay here we go. um. last name is (unintelligible) is that correct? Is that GRACE - my legal last name is Daniel. DET GRACE DET that?s no S. just Daniel? GRACE DET legal ?rst name? GRACE DET VVhat?s your middle name Grace? GRACE DANIELzLucille. L-U-C-I-L-L-E. DET and. um. do you - are you married then - legally married? GRACE legally. DET legally married. so - but you do also go by Grace Maynard is that - is that correct? GRACE yes. DET do you have a - an ID on you? GRACE DET you. It?s out of Virginia then? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE yes. DET do you have (John) -- oh he?s not with you anymore? GRACE gone back. DET can we- I (unintelligible) ?rst and so I wanted to take a picture of that real quick. GRACE DET so it?s Grace Lucille -- you used to live in Bedford. Virginia? GRACE DET you live in? GRACE Maine. DET Maine. okay and I see - tun. did (unintelligible) is that accurate? GRACE DET other names or any other. um. date of birth? 5 you've ever used in your life? GRACE um. sometimes I go by Gracie. but DET but never like - you?ve never had an ID from let?s say Massachusetts GRACE - DET different name? GRACE the only ID I?ve had. DET what is your Social Security Ntunber ma?am? GRACE 040-90-7421. DET GRACE I - I think that?s - I think that?s accurate. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET all right -- here it is. It?s been a while since I?ve ?lled one of these things out. so I apologize if I?m takin? a little bit of - because I have not - I don?t remember where all the blocks are. Uh. all right. 110w much do you think you weigh? GRACE right now probably 117. DET um. I don?t see it on here. what is the color of your eyes. brown? GRACE brown. DET hair is brown also? GRACE DET all right. just got that little information. 11111. do you understand why we?re here? We?re here because. um. a couple different reasons. Um. one of them is obviously we?re conducting an investigation of your daughter all right? Um. we - due to the fact that - I mean - I don?t wanna get into too much. but I want you to know that you can ask questions you - that you have of kind - of what? 5 goin? on in the proce- the why we?re here right now but. my partner and I weren?t able to talk to you that Gracie passed away - or excuse me. I?m sorry. GRACE DANIEL DET LOCKERBY - sorry - sorry Grace. GRACE fme. DET meant to say I apologize. And I understand this is a very traumatic event for you guys. going through a lot. um. we - um. we didn?t get a chance to speak with you so. what we had to do is we couldn?t get a hold of anyone we didn?t know where you were at. no one?s answering phones or anything. we ended up having to get a - a physical evidence order. which is an order from a Judge. GRACE DET is just for you. GRACE DET this is basically. urn. spells out why we brought you here in today. um. you came in on your own volition so it wasn?t like we had to come track you down and - and bang on your door and - and - and get you to come out - you came over here on your own. so this is more of a - just a - I wanna say formality. GRACE 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET it?s also and - and it is an order from a judge to collect your ?ngerprints. uh. a buccal swab. okay? GRACE DET - and then get your ?ngerprints. okay? ?Cause you are out-of-state. um. we did not know ?rst of all that you?re genuine and that you had a driver?s license from there. GRACE DET um. with that being said. you know. we thought you were from Maine. we couldn?t ?nd any record of you anywhere so. GRACE okay. DET it?s - it was kinda like well who really are Grace Maynard. is she. um. you know is she Grace Jones. is she. you know. we didn?t who you were. 80 this is more or less just a formality under the State of Arizona. um. a Judge - um. can order - um. from - if. uh. police write a - what?s called an af?davit or an application for identifying some characteristics which would be your DNA - your fmgerprints and your photograph. GRACE DET can ask for. uh. an order was - which we did last night. If there?s a - a - a investigation that we?re conducting. GRACE DET are conducting a child abuse investigation right now. GRACE abuse? DET - yes child abuse and that?s why that - that is right there you?ll see the - that there is probable cause to believe that child abuse may have been committed. We don?t know. we?re not saying that you cormnitted that right now. that? not what this says - this is saying that there is a potential - there is a probable cause to believe that the child died as a result of this. possibly I mean we- we haven?t gotten a ?nal word back from the medical examiner and nor will we tomorrow I mean this is gonna take a - a long time. GRACE DET it?s to identify is what we?re asking to take from you. what the judge is ordering you to give us. GRACE 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET you fail to. um - 11111 - if you fail to obey this order. you will be held in - in - in custody to see a judge for not - for failing to. uh. interfering with the uh - uh - uh of?cial court order. GRACE DET you lulderstand all that? I know that?s probably - that?s a lot of information and it - and I?ve - trust me if - if you need to repeat - if you need to me GRACE I - I get it. DET repeat it all? Okay good. all right. GRACE DET for you. GRACE DET can hold onto it and read through it if you?d likeget this part done ?rst. GRACE DET Do you have any questions at all. before I start? GRACE DET the rubber gloves is just for my safety and for yours. We?ve had people get freaked out by that. And all this is is basically a large Q-tip. GRACE DET right so if I could just have you open up your mouth real quick? And then this is just takin? the cells off the side of your mouth. GRACE DET you go. all right. GRACE isn?t anything on that is there? Like (allergies)? Okay. DET it?s - it?s - that?s why it?s sealed. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE okay. all right. DET that?s why it?s - it - if the cotton swab. DNA collection so this - it?s a sterile - it? a sterile environment. GRACE DET light - all right. yeah if you wanna take a photo of that. um. the next thing let?s do - let?s work on is getting your ?ngerprints. This is gonna take a little bit of work. um. this is an inkless pad. okay so there?s no ink GRACE okay. DET So what I?m gonna need you to do is take - I?m gonna call - is if you can scoot up a little bit or somethin? or you may have to maneuver that shirt 3 little bit. Um. but you can see 110w it?s right in - right thumb and right index ?nger. you know. and we have each GRACE so DET LOCKERBY: then we?re gomla do. 11111. left four ?ngers simultaneously. the left thumb - right thumb and then your right four ?ngers. GRACE DET we just get all the different paths. does - does that make sense? GRACE DET so let?s start off with the right thumb. GRACE right. so just? DET LOCKERBY2A11 you need to is just let me do all the work and you GRACE okay. DET just get to hang back and just. GRACE DET why don?t you stand. it?d probably be easier to stand. All right and you just let me do all the pressing. okay? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn?me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE DET LOCKERBY2A11 right. Let's see. For whatever reason. this is not working on this paper because it?s still on the paper. GRACE DET this piece because this is what this is for. All right. let?s start over again. my bad. GRACE okay. DET is - this is the type of paper that needs - so let?s start over again - let? 5 get this there and this is your right index there. Okay. all right let it - hold out your thumb. Sorry. Right there. okay - I?m sorry. Okay what else here? All right. now let?s try the left hand - all right. same thing as before. GRACE what is that. is that a chemical or somethin? DET that is a great question. I?m not sure. I am not sure what it does - its magic. (Unintelligible) we don?t have the. um. ink anymore - at least not in our possession. GRACE DET that?s why we have to resort to these new technology and new things. Let me just take a look at these real quick. I will - uh. do you wanna use the bathroom in - in a second here and wash your hands if GRACE sure. DET like? Okay. GRACE DET just have a seat real quick. I think you did pretty good. um - I think I got most of this information. Um. I just need you to sign right here. GRACE DET I took your ?ngerprints. I?ll ?ll out the rest later since I put it in another one. All right. thank you. I think that should be about it for ?ngerprints. Um. okay. um. okay I think - is he your boyyour husband or your boyfriend? GRACE (unintelligible) my husband. DET husband? Okay. um. I don?t know where he? at ?cause I don?t warma interrupt and here in middle of doin? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, what we were just doin?. Let?s. um - let? 5 just talk real quick um. about. um. a little bit - what I was gomia continue with. um -- ?rst of all. now that this order is done and we?ve taken this from you. I want you to know that you?re - you?re ?ee to leave at any time. okay? GRACE DET uh - you?re not arrest? Do you lulderstand that? GRACE DET is that a yes? GRACE DET good. Sorry. Um. so that being said. there are - there are some questions that we have - that we would like to. uh. go over with you about. um - about what happened the other day. um. because you had never - we hadn?t a chance to talk to anyone. especially you as the mom of Um. would that be okay if we kind of go over some of that? GRACE I don?t wanna - I don?t wanna talk without a lawyer. DET don?t wanna talk without a lawyer - you understand that you?re not luider arrest? GRACE I - DET unders. .. GRACE DET understand that? GRACE I?m just not comfortable speaking without a lawyerwas bro- born in a hospital? GRACE DET do we - and the reason why I ask this is - part of the reason why is um. is a baby and we don?t have a birth certi?cate so is - was there - was she bom in a hospital or - GRACE DET I gonna have to - am I gomla have to go down a road? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE do you need to know? I DET I need to show that that? 5 your child. you know What I mean? GRACE DET you didn?t take it from somebody else and this is - somebody?s b- else?s- baby. GRACE she was bom at home with us but that?s all I?ll say. DET GRACE DET she wasn?t born in a hospital? GRACE DANIEL2N0. DET so there is no birth certi?cate for her on record with the State of Maine? GRACE no - no. DET GRACE but -- yeah. DET that correct? GRACE 5 correct. yeah. DET so if I got over to - if were to request for this - the Maine State of Vital Records I?m not going to ?nd a birth certi?cate for GRACE yeah. DET one other real quick thing that I need to get from you - as you can see my notes are real long. that? okay. um. Grace are you - tun - um. since you?re not living in Virginia and it looks like. um. your husband - or - has a PO Box number. What is a physical GRACE 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET for you two? GRACE is DET LOCKERBY GRACE DANIEL DET LOCKERBY GRACE yes. DET and what city is that in? GRACE DANIEL DET - is that is that - - M. GRACE DANIEL . yeah. DET Okay zip code up there? GRACE DANIEL . mm - DET is that an apartment or a house? GRACE a house. DET a house is jud- is it just the two of you that live there or GRACE DET there anyone else live there? GRACE DANIEL2N0. DET um. do you have a cell phone? GRACE yes I do. DET is that number? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE DET GRACE DET LOCKERBY . Home phone number there? GRACE no - no. DET GRACE don?t have home phone. DET don?t have a home phone? How ?bout work - do you work? GRACE DET a job? GRACE DET LOCKERBY2A11 right. these are starting to dry now a little bit. GRACE there isn?t anything else that you need from me? DET I think I got it. I have the pictures you can have - there?s actually one more thing they want me to write down is your customer nlunber I (didn?t catch). GRACE DET do you have any questions for me right as - as I'm writing this down? GRACE I don?t think so. DET don?t think so? GRACE DET GRACE 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET have no questions about anything? GRACE DET All right. well. GRACE my brains all - it?s had a lot to deal with so. um. about DET GRACE so. DET GRACE can?t think of anything right now. DET You don?t walma talk about - uh. though? GRACE - no I don?t wanna talk. DET is that your only child? GRACE DET is that your ?rst child? GRACE DET you?ve her - how ?bout Robert?s -- ?rst? GRACE DET child - you don?t wanna talk about the child abuse? GRACE I - I no - I don?t want ((Crosstalk)) GRACE a lawyer. DET right. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE DET right. okay well I guess. you don?t really care about what we have to - what we?re gonna - and you understand what we?re gonna be doing on our end? GRACE - what are you gonna be doing? DET be conducting an investigation. GRACE DANIELzCorrect. right. DET to any type of abuse that may have occurred or GRACE DET anything that?s just saying that you (did thing). But we also have to look at that - other people too that had some sort of involvement with your child. it could be. you know. relatives that were out here. people that you?re staying with so. GRACE so you may be questioning other people? DET don?t know - I?m - I?m not - I?m not even sure. GRACE DET partner is just - I?m just helping her out. GRACE right. DET um. okay - um. so we?re done then. GRACE DET is yours? GRACE DET do you warma sit out in the lobby? GRACE yes I?ll go over there. DET me walk ya out then. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera v. Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 10/23/2013 16:12:01 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, GRACE This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Signed- Det Hugh Lockerby #707 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Location Supplement Page: 1 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Supplement Information Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Jk Supplement Notes INTERVIEW WITH PETER GEARE on March let 2013 Det. Hugh Lockerby#707 Peter Geare DET you. alright. were with. uh. Peter. And your last name again Peter? PETER DET PETER DET LOCKERBY2A11 right. Are you an employee with the PETER GEARE DET LOCKERBY - how does that - is it medic- medicine? PETER GEARE DET LOCKERBY PETER DET and what is your position here? PETER receptionist. DET receptionist. And how long have you been working here at the - ah - at the business? PETER two and a half years. DET and a half years. And has it always been as a receptionist? PETER DET were you working on the day of March 8. 2013? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 PETER DET were you upfront? PETER was upfront yup. DET and. um. speci?cally we?re - were obviously investigating the death of PETER DET I would like to talk to you a little bit about your interactions both not only maybe of but maybe with the Maynards and what interactions you may have had with them? PETER DET did you - did you talk with the Maynards? PETER not really - I mean checked them in at the beginning. I - I?m not sure I was the actual checker. There are two of us upfront we greet them. Um. we let the doctor or medical staff know that they are here. Um. yeah. DET did you - did they have an appointment that day or did they come in PETER GEARE2N0 they had an appointment - yup mm-hm. DET that common for people to make appointments or do people just - is it kind of ?rst come ?rst serve type of thing? PETER it?s - they de?nitely make appointments -- they don?t do walk-ins. uh. very rarely do we do walk-ins. DET - do it very rarely. PETER DET Do they. 11111. do you have. um any memory of taking their call or meeting with them in regards to setting their appointment? PETER don?t - no. DET that something that you would do? PETER yeah - nun-hm. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, DET normal course of the day is one of the things is - is if Joe - Joe Citizen called in and wanted to set up an appointment regardless if they were ever seen here before or not that would be something that you would take in? PETER their not - if they?re not seen here - if they?re not a patient then they talk to Shelly. Uh. she? the new patient coordinator. DET so Shelly is? PETER has an of?ce in the back. DET would Shelly have any contact with the Maynard? to set up as a new patient? PETER GEAREzProbably yeah cause she? the new patient coordinator. She would be the ?rst contact of the clinic. DET so. and she? kind of the new patient coordinator you said? PETER - yeah. DET and tell me a little bit about what you remember on that day? PETER GEARE2I only remember a couple things. DET PETER they both involve Um I don?t remember the details of them checking in so much. I do remember seeing playing on the ground with a truck while her father was checking out of billing. and I remember smiling to myself thinking oh she looks great. DET PETER know ?cause she had kind of damaged eyes. DET PETER of a rough thing for such a young baby. DET PETER and so I thought it was neat that she was playing with toys like a - like a -normal - normal kid. DET was she talking. laughing? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER she was laughing -- I don?t remember her talking. she was too young. DET I mean making sounds I should say. PETER she just seemed totally normal. DET - and you said her - her father was Robert. and you said - he se- you mentioned that you still have some billing stuff with you. PETER was back with Kyle all the time checking out - doing the billing. you know. payment for the day. DET PETER the mother and were in the waiting room playing basically and I walked by and smiled. DET PETER yeah that? 5. That? 5 what I remember the ?rst time they were here. DET and then. 11111. in regards to. um. after - were they here - how long were they here for? The ?rst time at least - you said the ?rst time. PETER can?t be sure but they were probably here at least an hour. DET in. was this on - was this the ?rst time they been here that PETER GEARE2N0 they were here before. DET were they here before? PETER don?t know what day it was. DET was it PETER have to look for the schedule. DET it within the last 30 days. 10 days? PETER she was a relatively new patient. Very new - probably two or three weeks. DET do you remember if it was before March or after March that they were ?rst? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER not positive. That would be on record though. DET so they were here before. What - what do you remember what type of treatment if any of why they were here the fast time. PETER time would be their evaluation. they just come see the doctor. DET PETER get evaluated. um. and then when they - when they pay for that they also pay for a follow-up visit. That is included in the evaluation. DET PETER when they were here I think that day they were coming for the follow up. DET so the day of the 8th was the second PETER DET it was more of a follow-up visit. PETER exactly. DET PETER get their recommendations. what the doctor suggests things like that. DET After an hour or so after them being here. um. they leave. Is that accurate? PETER DET And. uh. do you remember what happened after that then. PETER 11111. I just - this was right when I was leaving. So I DET PETER don?t know much but um. right - uh. I - someone came in and said that 1111 w? they were driving back to the clinic. And Everyone was kind of confused buy that because it was at this point a?er 5 DET 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER so kind of after hours. but they said it was an emergency. And so DET said that. uh on of the - somebody on the staff said that? PETER don?t remember who told me. Um it was whoever took the call probably. DET PETER just said the - the Maynard?s are coming back. it?s urgent they need to see the doctor. So you know. okay. DET PETER didn?t think anything of it. DET PETER didn?t think anything - I wasn?t scared or anything. DET PETER and I - right as I was leaving I did see them come in ?cause we kind of crossed paths right when they were coming in. DET PETER Grout went out to meet them at the car. DET PETER um. Dr Grout came in and what I saw was Dr Grout DET PETER GEARE DET PETER did look like she was in distress. DET when you say distress um. what do you mean by that? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn?me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER well when your holding a baby or a child. you know. they kind of like cling to you or DET PETER know curl up. She was am1$ out and just kind of strange. eh. I don?t know when you? re holding someone you don?t expect their arms to be out you expect them to be clinging to you. DET PETER wasn?t clinging she was out like this. but she was moving though so I didn?t think she was lmconscious. DET um. but you thought it was somewhat strange? PETER my intuition was that uh-oh. that doesn?t look normal. you know. DET PETER then Dr Grout coddling her. just took her into the of?ce and they had left. DET you left. PETER DET were you aware of what happened after - after you had left? PETER was aware the next day. DET day and what did you learn about it next day? PETER had died. DET had died - okay. Was that when you came into work? PETER yeah. at her. we have a meeting every morning. DET PETER announced it there and obviously it was really dif?cult news to hear. DET tun when they were. when they had came up to the 11111. car when Dr Grout came out to the car do you remember anything that the parents were saying at all or their actions? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. moody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER do - I do. when I when I saw the - the child go back to Dr Grout?s of?ce. um. you know I did actually walk back to the billing area back there to say good bye to my friends - to Kyle and the other receptionist that work here. DET PETER they said 011 5 here. and. you know. she looks - she looks like she?s in distress. DET PETER the mother? crying - and I remember seeing the mother crying. DET PETER GEARE20bviously she was distraught. DET PETER you know at that point it was prevalent that this is much more serious than we thought. DET Did anyone talk amongst when you were back there about calling 911 or the emergency at the fact? PETER - not at the time. DET PETER - you know - it hadn?t been assessed yet. DET PETER yet. DET has um. something like this ever happened before? PETER DET PETER I said we don?t do walk-ins so it?s real rare that they just come back all of a sudden because were not an urgent care clinic. DET 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER know but. obviously the doctor can do that. DET PETER was an ear - ER doctor for some time. DET Is - um. do you guys see a lot of - of children here at this clinic? PETER a fair amount - yeah. DET what type of cases do you know of that they - they see children here for? PETER GEAREzUsually its having to do with autism or ADD or diet related allergies. DET PETER things like that. DET Do you see cancer patients that are children that are - have some kind of cancer? PETER okay. PETER that?s pretty rarecancer patients but I?ve never seen a child cancer patient. DET Um. there?s one other thing I was gonna ask you just - if you just bear with me real quick while I think of what my question was. Was the patient or 11111. the only one treated in regards with anyone else treated from the Maynard family for anything? PETER DET was Dr. Grout was the only - was the attending doctor for. PETER DET for PETER DET how does that work. I mean how do you - how does it - how do patients get assigned is there just one doctor here. is there multiple. how does that work? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER use to be just one. Dr. Grout?s been the director. you know. and the sole doctor for a long time and then Dr. Wen came in just this year. DET PETER uh Dr. Grout has pretty good reputation. you DET PETER people call and ask for her speci?cally. DET so she sees the majority. and correct me PETER does - she does - yeah. DET and is Dr. Wen. was she here that day. is that - a fact. if she PETER don?t. I don?t remember that. DET PETER don?t remember that. DET don?t remember that. Okay. PETER wasn?t doctor so. DET PETER I don?t remember her being involved at all. DET know I think - I think everything I. um. got. um. I don?t have any other questions. do you have any questions for me Peter? PETER DET ahight well um. I thank you for your time. PETER right. DET if - if for some re- reason that question pops in my head. I will. uh. I will contact you and let you know. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:20:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, PETER DET mn. I?ll end the interview at this time. PETER DET me PETER fine. That?s my cell phone. DET PETER DET thank you again Peter. PETER GEARE2A11 right. Yeah. no problem. DET LOCKERBYzAppreciate it. PETER you. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Signed- Det Hugh Lockerby #707 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-BOdy Camera Agenc" SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported 03/131'2013 23:24 Found 0311312013 19256 Occurred 031?13/?2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:21:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Witnesses Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 1 I WI GEARE. PETER SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 32 508 170 BRO BLU License: '3 DL ID Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Riarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera Agm? SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:21:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Supplement Notes REPORTING DETECTIVE: Hugh Lockerby #707 1 3-0599 1 SUMZMARY OF INTERVIEW WITH PETER GEARE On March 2 2013. at approximately 1800 hours. I completed an interview with PETER GEARE at the in Scottsdale. Maricopa County. Arizona. The interview audio recorded and later impelmded as evidence. The interview was also transcribed. See Transcription for complete details of the interview. The following is a summary of the interview with Peter Geare. Peter is a receptionist of the . Peter has been working as a receptionist for the past 2 years. Peter was working at the front desk on March 8th 2013 when was brought to the location. Peter stated that he did not speak with the Maynard family but may have checked them in. Peter stated the Maynards did have an appointment for March 8th. Peter stated that the rarely do or have walk-ins. Peter did not remember if he scheduled their appointment. Peter stated that "Shelly" is the new patient coordinator for the company and would have had initial contact with the Maynards. Peter did remember seeing playing with a truck while Robert Maynard (father) was checking out the billing. Peter remembers seeing 5 damaged eye. Peter stated that Robert was with "Kyle" dealing the billing for the appointment. Peter stated the mother was with in the front. Peter thought the Maynards were there for about an hour. Peter thought the Maynards had been at the a couple of weeks before for their initial evaluation. Peter did not remember their exact date but stated it would be in the schedule. Peter stated they pay for the evaluation and part of the payment. they get a follow up visit. Peter thought they were at the Center on March 8th for their follow up visit. Peter remembers someone taking a call after their visit on March 8th and it was after 5 :00 PM. Peter remembers everyone was confused because it was "after hours." Peter remembers someone saying that the Maynards were coming back to the clinic and it was an emergency. Peter stated that he was walking out to leave when the Maynards pulled up. He remembers seeing Dr Grout meeting them at car. Peter does remember seeing in distress. Peter did not see clinging to anyone but was moving. Peter did not think that it was normal. Peter leamed about passing way when he came to work the next day. Peter said that they have daily morning meetings and that was when the atmouncement was made. Peter said that after Dr Grout brought into the Center. Peter walked back into the building and back to the billing area to say good bye to his ?ielld Kyle. Peter observed the mother crying and someone was saying was here and she is in distress. Peter said that it occurred them that this was more serious than what they had originally thought. Peter was asked if anyone talked about calling 911 and he said 110. Peter said something like this has never happened before. Peter was asked if they see children at the clinic and he said yes. Peter said they see children for autism. ADD. diet allergy related Peter said they see a lot of cancer patients but no children cancer patients. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 10/25/2013 11:21:29 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Peter said that Dr Grout was the attending doctor for Peter said was the only person in the Maynard family that had treatment. Peter said that Dr Wen had joined the clinic this year. Peter did not know if Dr Wen was present when was seen at Center on March 8th. Peter said that Dr Grout has a good reputation so when people call. they ask for her speci?cally and she ends up seeing a majority of patients. END OF SUMIVIARY. NFI 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate came Elderly Gang Related rim Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera v. . 9 Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdalc.AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Supplement Notes REPORTING DETECTIVE: Hugh Lockerby #707 13-0599 1 On Thursday March 14th 2013. I became involved in this investigation. I was briefed by Det Paxson #600 regarding the circumstances surrounding this investigation. I learned that on Wednesday March 13th that an 18 month old child. was pronounced deceased at Scottsdale Healthcare Shea. had previously been at the located at in Scottsdale. AZ. was there with her parents. I learned that had Retinoblastoma in her and was taken to the above stated located for treatment. While was there. she was given a substance called "Laetrile" which is believed to be the cure for cancer. left with her parents and a short time later. became lethargic. shortness of breath and had a distended stomach. was taken bake to the location at where CPR was given by Dr Martha Grout. was eventually transported via Ambulance to Scottsdale Healthcare-Shea where she was eventually pronounced deceased at 1956 hours. I learned that father ROBERT MAYNARD and mother GRACE MAYNARD had come to Arizona for a wedding. Robert. Grace. and live in . Due to 5 cancer. Robert and Grace took to the in Scottsdale for treatment on March 13th 2013 at around 1545 hours. was given 3 CCs of Laetrile also known as Vitamin B17 at this time. I also learned from Det Paxson that Robert and Grace were not interviewed last night because they had already left the hospital. Dr Grout also had not been formally interviewed by Detectives. On Friday March 15th at 08:00 hours. Det Paxson and I attended the autopsy for at the Maricopa County Medical Examiners Of?ce located at 701 West Jefferson in Phoenix. AZ. DR KEVIN HORN completed the Autopsy of Dr Horn advised that the Cause and Manner of Death would be pending additional toxicology tests. See Det Paxson? 5 supplement for further information regarding the details of the Autopsy results. On March 15th 2013. Det Paxson obtained two (2) court orders for Obtaining Evidence of Identifying Characteristics for Robert and Grace Maynard. Det Paxson left messages on Robert?s cell phone to set up a meeting to talk about the circumstances surrounding 5 death. Robert eventually retruned Det Paxson?s phone call and agreed to meet with us on Saturday March 16th at 14:00 hours at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. On March 16th 2013. Det Paxson received a phone call from attorney CHAD SCHELL who advised that he represented Robert Maynard and Robert would not be providing a statement. Det Paxson informed Schell that two (2) court orders had been signed to obtain identifying characteristics from Robert and Grace. Schell advised that Robert and Grace would comply with the court orders but would not be giving a statement. At approximately 15: 15 hours. Robert and Grace Maynard voluntarily arrived at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center (SF AC). Grace?s sister. JOY DANIEL. accompanied Robert and Grace. Det Paxson assigned me to Grace Maynard to serve the Physical Evidence Order. I next escorted Grace to an interview room. At approximately 1520 hours. the Physical Evidence Order was executed. Det Heinzelman assisted with taking a photograph of Grace. Grace advised me that her legal last name was Daniel. Grace stated she and 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Incrdent Investlgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13.12013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 1 Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Robert are not legally married. Grace stated she does use Maynard as a last name. Grace provided me with a Virginia license identifying herself as Grace Daniel. I collected additional biographical information from Grace. I explained to Grace of the investigation into death and child abuse investigation. I collected a buccal swab and ?ngerprints from Grace and later impounded the swab and print card as Evidence. After the Court Order was completed. I advised Grace that she was free to leave and not under arrest. I asked her if I could talk to her about 5 death and the events leading up to it. Grace informed me that she did not want to talk to me without a lawyer present. Grace informed me that she did not feel comfortable talking about it without a lawyer. I did ask Grace if was born in a Hospital or at home in order to detemrine the circumstances of birth certi?cate. Grace stated that was born in home and there would be no record of her birth with the State of Maine. I retrieved Grace and Maynard? 5 physical address in Grace con?rmed that was her and Roberts ?rst and only child. This ended my interview with Grace. I escorted Grace to the lobby of the SFAC. I next assisted Det Paxson with an interview with JOY DANIEL who is Grace Daniel?s sister. After our contact with Grace. Robert and Joy. we learned that Grace had a Blog and Twitter page. We learned that Grace? 5 blog was called "gracieworks" through WordPress with the name of the blog called "Grace on Purpose." I was able to access the blog and print out numerous entries. I provided these to Det Paxson. In Grace? 5 blog there was a link to her Twitter page which I was able locate at . I printed the Grace? 5 Twitter pages and provided them to Det Paxson. On March 19th 2013. I met with ERINN DOWNEY who is an Investigator with the Arizona Medical Board. I provided Erirm with the information surrounding 5 death and the involvement with Dr Martha Grout. I later provided Downey with a copy of this DR. On March 20th 2013. I made telephone contact with PAM MAYO-WATSON with the Maine Of?ce of Child and Family Services. I explained the circumstances of our investigation involving I requested from Pam any and all reports through the State of Maine involving the Maynard Family. Pam faxed me a nine (9) page report which documented all reports involving Robert Maynard and Grace Maynard. This report will be attached to this DR. The report (#1587053) indicated that on February 28th 2013 at 13:49 hours. a preliminary report was requested by DR ERIC GRABOWSKI from the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. MA. The summary stated that a two (2) year old had cancerous tumors to her eye. The parents were treating with homeopathic medicine. and later referred to medical professionals in Boston. The child had initial surgery. but parents are not following up on fruther medical needs of this child. The alleged abuser(s) were Robert and Grace Maynard with an address of and phone number of The report narrative is as follows: The referent was told there was no birth certi?cate for The referent stated he is a pediatric Hematologist Oncologist and was referred to their hospital to be seen. The family was aware has an condition for several months and they were having the child seen and treated by a homoeopathist. The homoeopathist referred the family to an specialist. Dr Levin in Waterville. who in turn referred the family to Boston General to see a Dr Makui. There 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Supplement Page: 3 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, H referent was asked in as a consultant with Dr Makui. The referent stated the eye was extended and protruding when he saw It was determined that the child had an eye condition called Retinoblastoma (eye cancer) and was extending into the brain. The referent had have an emergency MR CAT Scan of the brain on 02/20/13 at Maine Medical Center in Portland, ME. The results of the CAT scan said the tumor was going into the brain and the child needed surgery immediately. had surgery on 02/22/13 at Mt Sinai. Results of initial pathology came in and said there was a tumor in the eye socket and a tumor behind the eye socket remains. The referent spoke with Robert on Tuesday 02/26/13 who said he was in Minneapolis and on their way to AZ. The referent spoke to Robert and had expected Robert to call the medical team in Bangor regarding this. Robert did not follow up. The referent also stated he spoke to Robert on 02/19/13 about the child and that he filed for MaineCare so he has insurance for his daughter. Robert has not done so. At the time of discharge, it was discovered according to parents, does not have birth certificate. The referent stated the contact physician at EMMC (Eastern Maine Medical Center) in Bangor is Dr Fryberger. The referent received an email from Dr Fryberger which stated she had reached the father (Robert) in Arizona and Robert told the Dr, He was not going to Bangor but would seek alternative therapies. The family was in AZ researching alternative treatments. Dr Fryberger tried to reach father again and suggested she could hook them with treatment in Tucson but Robert has not responded. The family is now not answering phone calls. The Reported Harm Statement: It was reported that parents of 17 month child are not continuing to seek medical treatment for their child who was diagnosed with Retinoblastoma. Parents had been treating the child for several months with homeopathic medicine. After initial surgery, Parents left with the child to go to AZ and did not do follow up that was crucial as there has been more cancerous tumors found. Parents stated they are going to research alternate methods of treatment while in AZ. Signs of Danger: Parent/caregiver has not or is unable to meet a child`s medical needs that may result in serious health problems if left untreated. There was also a Narrative Log Report from Carolyn Wilos-Barberi who is a social worker at Eastern Maine Medical Center Children`s Cancer and Treatment Center. This report had relatively the same amount of information has Dr Grabowksi`s report. This Report was initiated on 02/28/13 at 15:11 hours. The referent (Wilos-Barberi) reports that was referred by Dr Lavin out of Waterville, ME. Dr Lavin referred to Dr Fryberger who wanted to be seen in Boston at Mass General. The plan was for to comeback to Brewer to complete her work up. had surgery and then was going to have a lumbar puncture/spinal tap to help bone marrow to see if her cancer has spread any further. They wanted to determine if she has stage 3 or 4 retinoblastoma. The family went to Arizona to see alternative treatment. Dr Lavin Dr Grabowksi and Dr Fryberger fell that needs to be seen as soon as possible. A Clinic in Arizona requested record from Dr Lavin. There also was a more extensive report by Dr Grabowksi to Maine Department of Health and Human Services done on 02/28/13 at 15:17 hours. See Maine Department of Human Services, Bureau of Child and Family Services Report of Alleged Child Abuse or Neglect for further information. On Thursday March 21st 2013, I assisted Det Paxson #600 with a search warrant located at in Scottsdale, Maricopa County, Arizona. The search warrant was signed by Judge M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW 2013-015028). The Search warrant was executed at 15:45 hours. The following items were seized as evidence and later impounded. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. moody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1.Business Card for Martha Grout MD (H). Item of indicia a.Found in Martha Grout Of?ce on Desk 2.Book "World without Cancer" The story Vitamin B17 a.Found in Martha Grout Of?ce on book shelf 3.Book "Healing Cancer with Common Sense" a.Found in Martha Grout Of?ce on book shelf 4.Box of Amygdaline B17 with Six vials of liquid a.Found in IV Mixing Room 5.Curricullun Vitae for Martha Grout NED. a.Found. Printed from computer in Martha Grout?s Of?ce 6.Book "Alive and Well" a.Found on Martha Grout of?ce on book shelf 7.Paperwork. 1PT. Insulin Potentiation Therapy a.Found on Display shelf in lobby 8.Novodalin B17. 100 tablets a.Found on Display shelf. Pill room 9.Web MD Magazine a.Found by Lobby by front doors. display shelf 10.Book "Defmitive Guide to Cancer" by John Diamond. MD and Lee Cowden. MD a.Found on 2nd story conference area book shelf 11.Printed out Paperwork - emails a.Found on Martha Grout MD computer email account 12.Book "Handbook of Cancer Chemotherapy" 7th Edition by Roland Skeel a.Found on 2nd story conference area book shelf 13.Paperwork. Printed Patient ?le for a.Found Martha Grout MD Of?ce server. At approximately 1800 hours. I completed an interview with PETER GEARE at the located at in Scottsdale. Maricopa County. Arizona. The interview audio recorded and later impomlded as evidence. The interview was also transcribed. See Transcription for complete details of the interview. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, See separate Intendew Summary for further information regarding Peter Geare?s interview. On Tuesday April 2nd 2013. Det Paxson and I traveled to Bangor. Maine to execute Search Warrants on the Maynard residence in and also to conduct interviews with the involved Doctors in the investigation. See Det Paxson?s supplement for further information. Det Paxson had previously made contact with the Maine State Police to assist with signing and executing the search warrant. On Wednesday April 3rd 2013 at 1030 hours. Det Paxson and I with the assistance of DETECTIVE DARRYL PERRY of the Maine State Police executed a search warrant at . I was assigned as a Recorder for the search warrant. Det Paxson did the majority of searching with the assistance of myself and Det Perry. Det Perry assisted with photographing the scene. The following items were seized as evidence: l.Inspiron Computer with external Hard drive a.Found on the Living Room Desk 2.Red Folder with Misc. paperwork a.Found on the Living Room Desk 3.C anon Powershot Camera. Model SX2 1018. Serial a.Found on the Living Room Desk 4.Binder for AZ Center for Advance Medicine a.Found on the Living Room Desk 5.Photo collage of a.Found on the Living Room Desk 6.Four (4) Business Cards of Medical Treatment a.Found on the Living Room Desk 7.White envelope labeled AZ Receipts a.Found on the Living Room Desk 8.Pink Photo Album a.Found in the Upstairs Master Bedroom 9.Notebook/Journal a.Found in the Living Room coffee table 10.Manila Folder with Medical Paperwork 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, a.Found on the Living Room desk 11.Motorola Cell phone a.Found on the Living Room desk 12.Items of Indicia a.Found in the upstairs master bedroom loft l3.Wedding Pamphlet for Joy Daniel and James Walker a.Found in the upstairs loft area l4.Memory Card a.Found in a dresser drawer in the upstairs Master Bedroom The search warrant concluded at approximately 1300 hours. The residence was secured. A receipt of all the items seized was left at the residence. All of the items were retained by Det Paxson and I where we later transported them back to AZ. These items were impounded as evidence. At the time of the execution of the search warrant. Robert and Grace Maynard were not present. We attempted contacting them and did not get a response. With the assistance of the Maine State Patrol. an attempted to contact Robert and Grace was done at Robert? 5 parent? 5 home but they were allegedly not there. We next drove to Waterville. ME and met with Dr Lavin where we conducted an interview with him. See Det Paxson? 5 supplement for further infonnation. On Thursday April 4th 2013. Det Paxson and I made contact with Robert and Grace Maynard at the Smith Law Of?ces of Stephen Smith located in Bangor. Maine. Det Paxson was able to coordinate with Stephen Smith. who was representing Robert and Grace Maynard. to meet with them at his law of?ce. The purpose of the meeting was to seize the cell phones of Robert and Grace Maynard which had been included on the search warrant. At the time of this meeting. we did seize the cell phones of Robert and Grace Maynard. These phones were transported with us back to AZ and later impounded as evidence. We also secured Robert? vehicle which was also included on the search warrant. Det Paxson and I searched the vehicle and did not ?nd any items of evidentiary value. Later on April 4th 2013. Det Paxson and I met with Dr Sarah Fryberger in Brewer. ME where we conducted an interview with her. See Det Paxson? 5 supplement for further information. We next drove to Augusta. ME where we attempted to make contact with Christopher Maloney. Christopher Maloney was the homeopathic Doctor who had treated We attempted to interview Chris but he did not want to speak with us without an attorney. Det Paxson was able to speak with his attorney and was able to set up a later telephonic interview. See Det Paxson?s supplement for further infonnation. We next went to the Maine Medical Center in Portland. ME in order to get contact information for medical records of A subpoena would be required to release the records. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 11/07/2013 13:23:14 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 On Friday April 5th 2013. Det Paxson and I went to the Massachusetts General Hospital to get contact information for medical records of We also went to the Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary to inquire about additional medical records for Massachusetts General Hospital and Massachusetts and Ear Infmnary required a subpoena for the release of the medical records. Det Paxson and I returned to Arizona with the above stated items of Evidence. These items of evidence were impounded. See Detective Paxson? 5 supplement for fluther information. END OF SUPPLEMENT. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/20 1 3 19:56 Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/11/2013 15:41 :51 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 1 0 WOUND 61 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value 5 Patient File 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 2 1 WOUND 61 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Copies Of Research Articles Re: Laetrile 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/11/2013 15:52:01 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 1 3 IMPOUND 61 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Grace On Purpose Blogs 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 2 93 97 1 4 IMPOUND 61 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Tweets 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/11/2013 16:05:55 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 1 5 IMPOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value 5 Patient File/ Dr Lavin 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: E1 Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: C1 Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/11/2013 16:12:32 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 WOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Notes File/ Dr Maloney 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: E1 Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: C1 Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Charges Charge Type Description Statute UCR An 1 State ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - NIURDER 13-3623A3 09B Com Alcohol, Drugs or Computers Used Location Type Premises Entered Forced Entry Weapons Alcohol Drugs Computers 5 OFFICE Yes No 1. Poison Entry Exit Criminal Activity 2- NONE OTHER 3. Bias R?Iotivation Bias Target Bias Circumstances Bias Group Charge TYPG Description \?oided/Replaced by: (600) PAXSON, Statute An 1 State DEATH INVESTIGATION DEATH 999 Com Alcohol, Drugs or Computers Used Location Type Premises Entered Forced Entry W'eapons Alcohol Drugs Computers OFFICE Yes No 1. Entry Exit Criminal Activity 2. 3. Bias Motivation Bias Target Bias Circumstances Bias Group Charge Type Description Statute UCR 2 State NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE 13-1102A 999 Com Alcohol, Drugs or Computers Used Location Type Premises Entered Forced Entry W'eapons Alcohol Drugs Computers OFFICE Yes No l. Pills Entry Exit Criminal Activity 2- 3. Bias ?Motivation Bias Target Bias Circumstances Bias Group Charge Type Description Statute UCR 3 State DEATH NVESTIGATION DEATH 999 Com Alcohol, Drugs or Computers Used Location Type Premises Entered Forced Entry \Veapons E1 Alcohol Drugs Computers 5 OFFICE El Yes No 1- Entry Exit Criminal Activity 2. 3. Bias Motivation Bias Target Bias Circumstances Bias Group 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Came Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23 :24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: PAXSON, Victim Type Code NameG-ast, First, M) Voided/Replaced by: (600) PAXSON, AKA 1 VI MAYNARD, SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes Victim of Crimes 01 0 1 License: DL II) Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address Wk ph: Scars, Riarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Victim Type Code Name(Last, First, NI) AKA I VI MAYNARD. SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes Victim of Crimes 01 206 24 BLN HAZ 1.2.3 License: DL II) Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address W'k ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: PAXSON, Offender Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 1 1 OF MAYNARD. ROBERT SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 20 5 170 BRO HAZ License: '3 DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address m: ph: Scars, )Iarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Offender Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 2 1 OF GRACE LUCILLE SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 23 508 10 BRO BRO License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, .?Iarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera A v: 0 gm? SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03il3:"2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Offender Type Code Name(Last, First, RI) AKA 3 I OF GROUT. MARTHA SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 68 502 200 GRY GRN License: El DL ID Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Witnesses Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 2 I SWERDFEGER. STEVEN SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 64 509 230 GRY HAZ License: DL ID Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, RI) AKA 3 I WI FRYBERGER. SARAH MD SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 63 0 License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY, for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported O3/l3x?2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Found 19:56 Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 03x?l3x'2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON. I Witnesses Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 4 I WI MALONEY. CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH LEROY SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 42 600 202 BRO BLU License: DL ID Per Nanibefi State: ME Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address W'k ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 5 I WI STOCKTON. JACQUELINE LEE SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 45 504 125 BRO BRO License: DL H) Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 6 I W1 LAVTN. LEIVIENT WILLIAM SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 5 7 507 175 License: DL ID Per Number! State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . - Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, )Iarls, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY, for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, El DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 011-3063: Camera A v: 0 gm? SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03151352013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Witnesses Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 7 I WI GRABOWSKI. ERIC DR SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 69 0 License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address W'k ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Other Persons Involved Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 5 I IO WALKER. JOY ELIZABETH SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 3 3 505 165 BRO BRO License: DL ID Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . - Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address m; ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 6 I IO WALKER. JAMES ROBERT SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 2 7 601 0 BRO BRO License: DL II) Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Same/Address .: \Vk ph: Scars, )Iarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera A v: 0 0 SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT -- MURDER Reported 03/13/201 3 23:24 Found 03:"1352013 19:56 Occurred 03-"1 3/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Other Persons Involved Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 7 1 IO BROWN. KARISSA PAULINE SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 23 500 1 10 BLN BLU License: DL ID Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, FirstHEINLEY. SHELLEY DEAN SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 62 506 130 RED HAZ License: DL II) Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, AKA 9 1 10 DAVIS. CAROL NOEL SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 5 7 506 150 BLN BLU License: DL II) Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address W'k ph: Scars, Marks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera v. . 9 Agenc" SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 11/11/2013 19:38:59 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Other Persons Involved Type Code Name(Last, First, M) AKA 0 I IO TIMMONS. MICHAEL SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height \Veight Hair Eyes 3 9 5 10 185 BLK BRO License: DL I: ID Per Number: State: AZ Marital: Resident: Citizen: US Address Hm ph: Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, .?Iarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: Type Code Name(Last, First, NI) AKA 1 I 10 MURPHY. JONATHAN BRUCE MD SSN DOB Age Race Ethnicity Sex Height W'eight Hair Eyes 53 0 License: DL II) Per Number: State: Marital: Resident: Citizen: Address Hm ph: . Cell ph: Occupation Employer Name/Address \Vk ph: Scars, Riarks, Tatoos or Other Distinguishing Features: Physical Characteristics: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/12/2013 12:01:42 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 WOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Birth Summary 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/12/2013 12:06:03 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 WOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Laetrile Info American Cancer Society 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/12/2013 12:14:27 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 WOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Letter From Dr Lavin To Joel Ramirez 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/12/2013 12:19:48 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 10 WOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Cv/ Jonathan Murphy. Md 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, 1 Supplement Notes Forensic Examination Report Scottsdale Police Department 13-0599 1 Case Agent: Detective J. Paxson #600 Examiner: Detective D. Litch?eld #657 Case Type: Death Investigation Requested Examination: Examine evidence and retrieve any/all of the following: - Any/all items pertaining to to include but not limited to. photos. images. notes. medical history. medical treatment. reports. blogs. Tweets. and emails. - Any/ all items related to Dr. Martha Grout and! or the - Any/all items related to ?nancial information. times. travel and/or activities on/about February 8. 2013 April 4. 2013. - Any/all items related to Dr. Christopher Maloney (Maloney Medical). Dr. C. William Lavin. Dr. Sarah Fryberger (Eastern Main Medical Center). Dr. Shizuo Mukai (Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary). Dr. Grabowski (Massachusetts General Hospital). Dr. Frances Eshun (Phoenix Childrens Hospital). Dr. Pooja Hingorani (Phoenix Childrens Hospital). Dr. Thomas Lodi (An Oasis of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn?me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Healing). and/or any other doctor. whether allopathic. homeopathic. or naturopathic. who specialized in the treatment of diseases. retinoblastoma. and/or cancer. - Any/all items related to Laetrile (AKA: amygdalin. Vitamin B17. Amigdalina B-1 7 or its scienti?c/medical name(s): mandelonitn'le beta-D?gentiobioside. the form found most often in Mexican clinics. or which is the patented drug Laetrile). and/or any information regarding a doctor. clinic. or medical facility that offered Laetrile as a treatment option. - Any/all items related to retinoblastoma. infections. and/or diseases. - Any/all items related to Grace Daniels blog: and/or her Twitter account: - Any/all items related to - Any/ all items related to the treatment of cancer. whether it be allopathic/com'entional medical treatment or alternative treatment. Any/all telephone numbers. digits. data. and/or stored infomlation to include telephone books. memo pads. pictures. text messages. phone messages. and dialed or received telephone calls and their corresponding digits and infomlation or toll records as well as the telephone facility identi?cation information related to the cell phones listed. Items Examined: Item Number: 902902 Item: Tower Computer Make/Brand: Dell Inspiron Model Number: 530 Serial Number: Item Number: 902903 Item: Cell Phone 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Make/Brand: Samsung Galaxy 8111 Model Number: SCH-R5 30 Serial Number: Item Number: 902905 Item: Cell Phone Make/Brand: SamSImg Model Nlunber: SCH-R271 Serial Number: Item Number: 902909 Item: External HDD Make/Brand: Toshiba Model Number: v63700-c Serial Number: Item Number: 902910 Item: Digital Camera Make/Brand: Canon PowerShot Model Number: SX210 IS Serial Number: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn?me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Item Number: 902912 Item: Cell Phone Make/Brand: Motorola Flip Phone Model Number: W385 Serial Number: Item Number: 90291 8 Item: SD Card Make/Brand: SanDisk 4GB Model Number: (none) Serial Number: (none) Examination Summary: Forensic copies of the above-listed ew'dence were examined using the Guidance Software Encase program CelleBrite UFED. and Analysis Tools: EnCase Forensic (version 6.19.7.2) 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related new Est. 01.30.13, Camera Agm?y' SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Forensic ToolKit (version 4.2.1.22 CelleBrite Physical Analyzer Pro (version 3.6.1.6) Internet Evidence Finder (version 5.8) EXAMINATION DETAILS: On 04/18/13 at approximately 1345 hours. I picked up the above-listed evidence from Det. Paxson at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. I transported the evidence to the Arizona Cormter Terrorism Information Center (ACTIC). located at 16212 N. 28th Ave. Phoenix. Arizona. for forensic analysis. On 04/23/13 at approximately 1300 hours. I photographed item 902902 (Dell Tower). Using EnCase. an evidence ?le image of Item 902902 Dell Tower was made to the government server as Item 902902 Dell Tower.E01. At approximately 1805 hours. I photographed item 902903 (Samsung Cell Phone). Using EnCase. an evidence ?le image of the SanDisk 64GB MicroSD card inside the phone was made to the government server as Item 902903 SanDisk 64GB MicroSDEOl. Using the CelleBrite UFED Extract File System feature. an evidence ?le image (?le system image) of the phone was made to the govenmlent server as Samsung Galaxy At approximately 2100 hours. I photographed item 902918 (SanDisk 4GB SD Card). Using EnCase. an evidence ?le image of the SanDisk 4GB SD Card was made to the govemment server as Item 902918 SanDisk 4GB SD Card.E01. At approximately 2135 hours. I photographed item 902910 (Canon PowerShot Digital Camera). Using EnCase. an evidence ?le image of the SanDisk 4GB SD Card inside the digital camera was made to the goverrmrent server as Item 902910 SanDisk 4GB SD Card.E0 . On 04/24/13 at approximately 0845 hours. I photographed item 902909 (Toshiba Extemal HDD). Using EnCase. an evidence ?le 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn?me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera '9 SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, image of the Toshiba External HDD was made to the govemment server as Item 902909 Toshiba External HDD.E01. On 04/26/13 at approximately 0855 hours. I photographed item 902912 (Motorola Flip Phone). At approximately 1500 hours. I photographed item 902905 (Samsung Flip Phone). See Lab Exam Photos for further. I created a new case in the Encase program. and the imaged evidence was added. The evidence ?le images were examined using Encase Forensic version 6.19.7.2. Windows Initialize Case: Using Encase. I executed the Windows Initialize Case script. The Windows Initialize Case script scans the Windows registry for general information. including Windows operating system information. time zone settings. user/account information. and installed software. In reviewing the Windows Initialize Case results. I observed the following: Computer Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium Registered Owner: Grace Daniel Install Date: 10/05/07 06:15:41 PM Active Time Bias: -4:00 hours offset from GMT Last Shutdown Time: 03/16/13 02:55:58 PM 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, The Windows initialize case script also showed a system user Grace Daniel. with a last password change date/time of 09/07/12 06:45:59 PM. See Examined Items section for further. CELL PHONES (CELLEBRITE): Using CelleBrite Physical Analyzer Pro so?ware. the Samsung cell phone (Item 902903) ?le system image was parsed. A PDF report was created of the cell phone contents. which include the phone Calendar. Outgoing/Incoming/Missed Calls. Chat Messages. Contacts. Email. messages. Web Bookmarks and History. Pictures. Audio (including stored Voicemail). and Videos. Using CelleBrite. I created an HTML report of the Motorola Flip Phone (Item 902912). The HTML report contains the phones Contacts. Text Messages. Calendar. Outgoing/IncorningJMissed Calls. and Pictures. Using CelleBrite. I created an HTML report of the Flip Phone (Item 902905). The HTML report contains the phones Contacts and Pictures. See Cell Phone Reports for further. MD5 HASH: Using Encase. I executed the MDS hash function. which calculates the hash value of the ?les located within the forensic images. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, 1 Signature Analysis: Using Encase. I executed the script Signature Analysis. A Signature Analysis compares a ?les extension to the ?les hex header signature. A ?le signature mismatch occurs when the ?les signature is different than its ?le extension. indicating the possibility that a ?le extension has been manually altered. I reviewed the listed mismatches for Alias type signatures and discovered nothing of evidentiary value. Recover Folders: Using Encase. I executed the Recover Folders function to recover lost or previously deleted folders. In an NTFS ?le system. the function searches the unallocated clusters for deleted Master File Table (MFT) entries documenting folders. After locating MFT records in the unallocated clusters. Encase will resolve the recovered MZFT records to data on the volume. and attempt to rebuild the folder structure with children ?les and folders under parent folders. EnCase places the recovered ?les and folders in a folder titled Recovered Folders. DATA CARVING: Using Encase. I executed the File Finder module. The File Finder module searches storage media for speci?ed ?le types based on ?le extensions and ?le headers/footers. Activating the File Finder module. I searched for .JPG and .HTML (web pages) ?les in Unallocated Space. images: Using EnCase. I viewed the evidence image ?les in Gallery view. I bookmarked all images that appeared to contain a photo of and any other image that appeared to be related to items listed above ill the Requested Examination section. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related rim Est. calmly Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, 1 Three thousand three hundred seventy-two (3.372) images of were bookmarked. Twenty-two (22) other notable images were bookmarked. The twenty-two other notable images were a scan of a document titled Informed Consent Waiver Records Release from Camelot Cancer Care. All twenty-two images were of the same picture in different colors. with the name on them. dated 3/ 10/13. Due to the large volume of Images. Det. Salazar reviewed the images and selected forty-?ve (45) images to be included in this report. I created HTML reports of the bookmarked images titled Images and Other Images. See Images for further. Videos: Using EnCase. I sorted the ?les by ?le extension. I bookmarked two-hundred four (204) video ?les that had in the name and/or contained video footage of a child believed to be I exported the videos to an HTML document titled Videos. Due to the large size of the videos. they are not included ill this report. They are available for review at a later date if needed. documents: Using EnCase. I reviewed all ?les with a .DOC. .DOCX. .PDF. and .RTF ?le extension. I bookmarked three (3) notable document ?les. I exported the ?les to an HTML document titled Notable Documents. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, See Docmnents for further. Blog web ?les: Using EnCase. I sorted the ?les by Name. I bookmarked six (6) ?les that appeared to be related to a blog or similar web ?les. I exported the ?les to an HTML document titled Blog Web Files. See Blog Web Files for further. Internet evidence: The Internet Evidence Finder program runs against an evidence ?le image. searching allocated and unallocated space for various intemet activity. including Facebook chats. email fragments. and webpage fragments. Windows Live Messenger/MSN chat messages. Yahoo! Messenger chat messages. Yahoo! Webmail fragments. GoogleTalk chat messages. Limewire search terms. Gmail email fragments. Internet Explorer 8 URLs. AIM chat logs. Messenger Plus! chat logs. Myspace chat messages. and Hotmail webmail fragments. I ran Internet Evidence Finder on the Dell Tower computer (Item 902902) exidence ?le image. Detective Salazar reviewed the results and bookmarked notable data. An HTML report of the bookmarked data was created. See Internet Files Report for further. keyword search: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Using the Internet Evidence Finder Search function. I searched for the following keywords: Martha Grout Christopher Maloney Maloney Medical William Lavin Sarah Fryberger Eastern Main Medical Center Eastern Maine Medical Center Shizuo Mukai Massachusetts and Ear Infmnary Grabowski Massachusetts General Hospital Frances Eshun Phoenix Childrens Hospital Pooja Hingorani Thomas Lodi An Oasis of Healing Retinoblastoma disease 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, 1 cancer Laetrile Amygdalin Vitamin B17 Bl 7 Amigdalina B- 7 Mandelonitrile beta-D-gentiobioside infection Grace on Purpose Gracieworks GraceLucille Using Intemet Evidence Finder. the search hit results were exported to individual PDF reports. Some of the keywords had zero hits. so no reports were created for those keywords. See Keyword Reports for further. Email: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 13-0599? ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) MCC ANN . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:40:20 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, Using I reviewed the email section for notable emails. No notable emails were located. Conclusion: This concluded my investigation at this time. I completed the forensic examination report. and provided a copy of the report to Detective Paxson. A copy of the report was impounded at SPD Property Evidence. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/13/2013 13:41:39 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD. 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 1 IMPOUND 73 OFFICE DEPOT Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value - Forensic Exam Report 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/18/2013 12:18:56 Added By: (632) SALAZAR 111, 1 Supplement Notes November 4th to November 12th. 2013 I was temporarily assigned to the Violent Crimes Unit to assist Det. Paxson with follow investigation regarding the processing of data obtained by Det. Litch?eld from Forensic Computer Exam of a Dell computer seized during this investigation. Det. Paxson described to me areas of interest for the data recovered from this forensic computer exam. She requested I go through all the images. approximately 3000 images to isolate images showing the decedent from birth with progression of the disease condition of the eye. She also asked me to look for certain key terms used as search parameters related to the disease/Arizona and Massachusetts Doctors/homiopathic medicine and anything appearing relative to this investigation. I later met with Det. Litch?eld and he provided me access to the data stored on a hard drive in the CCU o?ice. Utilizing the software for forensic computer examination I went through approximately 3000 images collecting a series of images from birth to days before her death. The images show the condition of the through the stages of development. I also collected data related to key search terms utilized in search engines by the user(s) of the computer. I bookmarked all the areas of interest.(see completed Forensic Exam for details) I then met with Det. Litch?eld and he was able to produce me a report of all the items I selected. The Computer report was transferred to CD. I later delivered the CD with the report to Det. Paxson for her use in the investigation. The ptupose of my assistance was to narrow down the extent and size of the data obtained from forensic computer exam. End of supplement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03x?13i'2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/18/2013 15:35:39 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 940858 WOUND 61 3-443 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Email/ Conference Call Robert Maynard 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. on-Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/18/2013 15:41 :35 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 940859 IMPOUND 27 3-15.13 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Cd/ Contact With Robert Maynard 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 2 WOUND 27 3-16-13 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Dvd/ Contact With Grace Daniel 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 3 WOUND 27 3-16-13 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Dvd/ Interview With Joy Walker 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 8841 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/18/2013 16:19:25 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 940865 mom 27 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Cd/ Recorded Phone Calls Interviews 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes! (22) audio ?les: (3) phone calls to Robert Maynard on 3-15-13 Phone call to James Walker on 3-15-13 Phone call from James Walker on 3-15-13 Phone call from Robert Maynard on 3-15-13 Phone call from Attorney Chad Shell on 3-16-13 Phone call to Attorney Chad Shell on 3-16-13 Contact with Robert Maynard on 3-16-13 Contact with Grace Daniels on 3-16-13 Interview with Joy Walker on 3-16-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. C. William Lavin on 3-19-13 Phone call to Dr. Eric Grabowski on 3-19-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. Eric Grabowski on 3-19-13 Phone call to Dr. John Murphy on 3-20-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. John Murphy on 3-20-13 Parts 1 and 2 Interview with Karissa Brown on 3-21-13 Interview with Shelly Heinley on 3-21-13 Interview with Steven Swerdfeger on 3-21-13 Interview with Dr. C. William Lavin on 4-3-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. Christopher Maloney on 6-24-13 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/20/2013 15:03:15 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 941224 IMPOUND 71 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Interview Peter Geare 03/21/13 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: C1 Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY: for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson El Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera A v: 0 0 gen? SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 13 05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 11/20/2013 16:06:37 Added By: (844) HEINZELMAN, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 941248 IMPOUND 77 Owner 0mm Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Grace Internet Posts 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes! CD containing internet posts from Grace Maynard Prop Status Class NCIC Serial Number 2 941 249 IMPOUND 77 owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Maynard Photos 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes! CD of photos of Robert and Grace Maynard 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT - MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 12/ 10/2013 10:34:48 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 WOUND 27 GRACE ON PURPOSE Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Cd/ Information From Wordpress 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse El Arson El Homicide El Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 12/10/2013 10:38:21 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 944521 IMPOUND 27 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Cd/ Infomlation From Delta Airlines 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: Cl Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document Is regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 12/ 10/2013 10:41:24 Added By: PAXSON, 1 Property Prop Status Class NCIC Make/Model Serial Number 1 944522 IMPOUND 61 Owner Owner Applied Number License State Color Description Quantity UM Value Emails Between Det Paxson Pam Fears 1 $1.00 Gun Type Caliber Finish Grip Gun Stock Condition: Gun Test: El Yes No Test Type: Sight Test: C1 Yes No Sight Type: Property Notes: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/131?2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 03/14/2014 13:43:40 Added By: (657) LITCHFIELD, 1 Supplement Notes On 03/ 13/ 14. using CelleBrite Physical Analyzer Pro (version 3.9.2.4). I imported the original "FileSystemDump Reportufdr" ?le dump that I obtained on 04/25/13 from Item 902903 Galaxy 8111 cell phone. Det. Paxson advised me that the emails full body text in the original report were not showing up. I exported the phone?s emails to a PDF and a Word document. and veri?ed that the full body text had been included. I provided a copy of the report in both versions to Det. Paxson. That ended my involvement in this case at this time. Det. D. #657 03/ 14/ 13 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Came Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 0,..130dycMera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 0311312013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes CASE SUMMARY VICTIM: Lynne Maynard. DOB: 2?6" 24 lbs: HZL: (died on 3-13-13) SUSPECTS: Martha M. Grout. MD. DOB: SSN: Robert J. Maynard. DOB: WM 511/ 170 lbs: HZL: Grace Lucille Daniel. DOB: 5?8/ 110 lbs: SSN: CHARGES: Martha Grout: (1) count Negligent Homicide. A.R.S. 13-1102.A (F4) Occurred Wednesday March 13. 2013 between 3:42 p.m. and 7:56 m. at the Robert Maynard: (1) count Child Abuse. A.R.S. l3-3623.A2 (F3) Occurred between February 26. 2013 and March 13. 2013 in Maricopa County. Arizona Grace Daniel: (1) count Child Abuse. A.R.S. l3-3623.A2 a: 3) Occ1ured between February 26. 2013 and March 13. 2013 in Maricopa County. Arizona LEAD INVESTIGATOR: Detective J. Paxson #600. Scottsdale Police Department. Of?ce: Cell: WITNESSES: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 0,..BodycM1era Agm" SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/?13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Witness #1 :Christopher J. Maloney. ND. DOB: Telephone: Witness #22Dr. C. William Lavin. MD. DOB: Telephone: Witness #3:Dr. Eric Grabowski. MD. DOB: Massachusetts General Hospital Telephone: Witness #42Dr. Sarah J. Fryberger. MD. DOB: Eastern Maine Medical Center Lafayette Family Cancer Center Telephone: Witness #52Dr. John B. Murphy. MD. DOB: Oasis of Healing Telephone: Witness #62Dr. Kris Samaddar. MD. DOB: Scottsdale Emergency Associates 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Telephone: Cell: Witness #72Jacqueline L. Stockton. RN. DOB: Telephone: Witness #82Joy E. Walker. DOB: Cell: Witness #92James R. Walker. DOB: Cell: Witness #10:Steven E. Swerdfeger. DOB: Cell phone: Of?ce: Witness #1 1 :Karissa P. Brown. DOB: Cell: Witness #12:Shelley D. Heinley. DOB: Cell: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. on-Body Camera SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Witness #132Jennifer M. Katona. DOB: Cell: Witness #l4zKyle T. Sartor. DOB: Cell: Witness #152Ray O. Purselley. DOB: Cell: Witness #16:Dr. T. Nguyen. NMD. DOB: Cell: Telephone: Witness #17:Peter Geare. DOB: Telephone: Witness #l8zCarol N. Davis. DOB: Telephone: Witness #192Michael D. Timmons. DOB: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031' 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prson, 1 Telephone: COMPLAINING WITNESS: Detective Jennifer Paxson #600 Scottsdale Police Department Of?ce: Email: OTHER OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE CASE: Det. H. Lockerby #707Det. F. Grif?tts #867Det. J. Heinzehnan #844 Det. M. Leal #771Det. B. McWilliams #853Det. D. Litch?eld #657 Ofc. P. Salazar #6320fc. C. McCann K. Oleksik DEFENDANT CRIMINAL HISTORY: Dr. Martha M. GroutzNone Robert J. Maynard2None Grace L. Danie12None DESCRIPTION OF EVIDENCE AVAILABLE: Evidence collected from At the Maricopa County Medical Examiner?s Of?ce 701 W. Jefferson St.. Phoenix. AZ ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 898476Finge1prints from 90162 lBlood blot from 9016220cular Implant 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. 901623Eye lens cover 901624Tan skorts Evidence collected from Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center on 3-16-13 ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 898548Bucca1 swab from Grace Daniel 898549Ten print card of Grace Daniel 898550Ten print card of Robert Maynard 898555Bucca1 swab from Robert Maynard 941249CD Photos of Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel Evidence collected during the service of Search Warrant #2013-015028 at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine on 3-21-13 ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 899563Desktop computer. HP Compaq. SN: 8995641Pad 64 GB Tablet. Apple. SN: 899646Business card for Martha M. Grout. MD. 899647(6) vials of Amigdalina B17. injectable liquid. 3 g. 10 ml 899670Cuniculum Vitae - Martha M. Grout. MD. 899681Container of Novodalin B17 tablets. 500 mg 899682Book - Healing Cancer with Common Sense by Marcus and Sabrina Freudenmann 899683Book - An Alphabet of Good Health in a sick world by Martha M. Grout. MD. and Mary Budinger 899684Book - Alive and Well by Philip E. Binzel. Jr.. MD 89968 5Pamphlet - Insulin Potentiation Therapy an Altemative to Traditional Chemotherapy 899686Magazine - October 2012 899688Book - Handbook of Cancer Chemotherapy. Lippincott Williams Wilkins 899689Book - World Without Cancer The Story of Vitamin B17. by G. Edward Grif?n 899691Book - Alternative Medicine De?nitive Guide to Cancer by W. John Diamond. MD and W. Lee Cowden. MD. with Burton Goldberg 939710Printout of 5 patient ?le - provided by Dr. Martha Grout 939711C0pies of research articles related to Laetrile. Vitamin B17. Amygdalin - provided by Dr. Martha Grout Evidence collected from Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s home at on 4-3-13 ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 902902Desktop computer. Dell Inspiron 530. SN: 902909External hard drive. Toshiba. SN: 902910Canon Powershot SX210 IS camera. SN: 902912Motorola ?ip cell phone. SN 902913Spiral joumal 902914Envelope containing Receipts" and business cards 902915Photo collage of 902916Pink photo album 902917Red folder - docmnents 902918San Disk 4 GB SD card 902919Wedding Program for Joy and James Walker 902920111dicia of occupancy at 902921Manila Folder - Medical documents for 902922W11ite 3-ring binder - paperwork for from Evidence collected from Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel at Attorney Stephen Smith? 5 Of?ce on 4-4-13 ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 902903 Samsung Galaxy HI cell phone. SN: . blue 9029058amsm1g ?ip cell phone. SN: . red and black Evidence collected via the intemet ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 939713Grace on Purpose blogs - collected on 3-16-13 tweets - collected 3-16-13 939902Laetrile information obtained from the American Cancer Society website 939910Curriculum Vitae - Dr. Jolm B. Murphy. MD Grace Daniels' intemet posts (blogs. tweets. Facebook) collected on 3-16-13 Recorded Statements ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 940859CD contact with Robert Maynard on 3-16-13 at Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center contact with Grace Daniel on 3-16-13 at Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. Interview with Joy Walker on 3-16-13 at Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center (22) Interviews recorded phone calls including: (3) phone calls to Robert Maynard on 3-15-13 Phone call to James Walker on 3-15-13 Phone call from James Walker on 3-15-13 Phone call from Robert Maynard on 3-15-13 Phone call from Attorney Chad Shell on 3-16-13 Phone call to Attorney Chad Shell on 3-16-13 Contact with Robert Maynard on 3-16-13 Contact with Grace Daniel on 3-16-13 Interview with Joy Walker on 3-16-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. C. William Lavin on 3-19-13 Phone call to Dr. Eric Grabowski on 3-19-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. Eric Grabowski on 3-19-13 Phone call to Dr. John Murphy on 3-20-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. John Murphy on 3-20-13 Parts 1 and 2 Interview with Karissa Brown on 3-21-13 Interview with Shelly Heinley on 3-21-13 Interview with Steven Swerdfeger on 3-21-13 Interview with Dr. C. William Lavin on 4-3-13 Telephonic Interview with Dr. Christopher Maloney on 6-24-13 Interview with Peter Geare on 3-21-13 interview with Dr. John Murphy 011 2-25-14 General Evidence ITEM OF EVIDENC COLLECTED 8 patient ?le - collected from Dr. C. William Lavin 5 patient ?le and notes - collected from Dr. C. Maloney Birth Summary - collected from Attorney Chad Shell 939907Letter from Dr. Lavin to OME Investigator Joel Ramirez 940124DVD - Det. Litch?eld? forensic exam report RE: Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s computer and cell phones 940858Email - RE: conference call between Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital and Robert Maynard on 3-4-13 Information received from WordPress RE: Grace Daniels? blog Information received from Delta Airlines RE: Robert Maynard and Grace Daniels? travel itinerary con?rmation Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s cell phone records US Cellular CD Dr. Martha Grout?s cell phone records phone records Cox Communications other cell phone records subscriber information CD 9-1-1 phone call from Jemlifer Katona at on 3-13-13 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Pictures shown to Arriba Mexican restaurant employees All evidence listed above is in the custody of the Scottsdale Police Department. The following is a synopsis of the investigation: SYNOPSIS On 3-13-13 at approximately 11:24 pm. the Scottsdale Police Department received a phone call from JACKIE STOCKTON. RN. at Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea Campus. Stockton stated she was calling to report the death of an 18-month old child. later identi?ed as DOB: . Of?cer C. McCann #1273 was dispatched to the hospital. Upon his arrival. he met with Jackie Stockton. RN. At approximately 12: 16 am. on 3-14-13 Detectives J. Paxson #600 and M. Leal #771 were contacted to assist with the investigation. Det. Paxson then contacted Jackie Stockton. RN by telephone and learned the following: and her parents. later identi?ed as. ROBERT MAYNARD and GRACE DANIEL. were from Maine. had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma (cancer in her right eye) and her had been enucleated. After the surgery. the family traveled to Arizona for a wedding. While in Arizona. the family sought homeopathic treatment for with Dr. MARTHA M. GROUT. MD. at the located at . in Scottsdale. which was where was when she stopped breathing that evening. 5 parents. Robert and Grace. along with Dr. Martha Grout. accompanied her to the ER that night. Jackie Stockton. RN. spoke to both Robert Maynard and Dr. Martha Grout at the hospital that night and learned the following: On 3-13-13 at approximately 3: 15 n1. (it was later determined to be around 3:45 pm. based on 5 medical records) Robert and Grace took to see Dr. Grout at the in Scottsdale. During that appointment. Dr. Grout administered 3 cc (1 g) of Laetrile to The substance she gave to was the liquid. intravenous form of Laetrile. but she administered it to by mouth. not intravenously. After the appointment. the Maynard family left Dr. Grout?s office. At approximately 5: 15 pm. Robert Maynard contacted Dr. Grout by telephone and advised her that was bloated and she was experiencing shortness of breath. Dr. Grout advised them to bring back to her of?ce. which they then did. When the Maynard family arrived back at Dr. Grout? 3 of?ce. Dr. Grout described as being "?oppy". According to Dr. Grout. 5 heart rate was normal when she arrived. but her respirations were slow. At approximately 6:45 m. stopped breathing and Dr. Grout initiated CPR. Paramedics were contacted at approximately 6:51 pm. and arrived on scene at approximately 6:54 m. (Times are based upon paramedic records and Dr. Grout estimating that she performed CPR for approximately 10 minutes prior to the paramedics arriving). Upon their arrival. paramedics noted that was pulseless and apnec. Paramedics took over CPR and transported to Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. never regained consciousness and was pronounced dead at 7:56 pm. by Dr. Kris Samaddar. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Later that night. 5 body was turned over to the Maricopa County Medical Examiner?s Of?ce (OMB Case 13-1905). The investigator assigned to the case was Joel Ramirez. Det. Paxson contacted Investigator Joel Ramirez that night and learned he had already contacted Robert Maynard by telephone and had spoken to him about the incident. During his conversation with Robert. Investigator Ramirez learned was just recently diagnosed with retinoblastoma. As a result. she underwent surgery and her right was removed. Robert told Ramirez it did not appear the cancer had spread to 5 brain. 5 left was examined and was also foruld to be clear of cancer. After 5 surgery. Robert obtained permission from doctor in Maine for to travel. He. Grace. and then ?ew to Gilbert. Arizona for a wedding. While they were in Arizona. they received a phone call from doctor in Maine regarding her need for further treatment. Robert said he then took to see Dr. Martha Grout. He told Ramirez he believed 5 condition was treatable and he expected her to recover. Robert provided Ramirez with the name and contact infomlation of the doctor saw in Maine. The name he provided was Dr. C. William Lavin in Investigator Ramirez then contacted Dr. Lavin to inquire about 5 condition and 110w it may have contributed to her death. During that contact. Ramirez learned the Maynards had refused. up to that point. to participate in chemotherapy treatment. which was recommended for and instead. had insisted on prayer and holistic care. including vitamin therapy. After his telephone contact with Dr. Lavin. Ramirez received a letter from him. which outlined his involvement and his history with and her parents. Det. Paxson later obtained a copy of Dr. Lavin?s letter to Investigator Ramirez and impounded it as evidence. A copy of that letter is attached to this summary (See Attaclmient On 3-15-13 Det. Paxson attended the autopsy of which was conducted by Dr. Kevin Horn at the Maricopa County Medical Examiner?s Office in Phoenix. Various tissue and blood samples were collected from 5 body during the autopsy. The samples were submitted for testing and the cause of 5 death was left open pending the toxicology results. During the autopsy. Det. Paxson spoke to Dr. Horn and learned Laetrile. which was the substance Dr. Grout administered to came from the pits of apricots. Det. Paxson learned Laetrile was popular in the late 1970?s - early 1980?s and at that time. was thought to be a miracle drug for treating cancer. Since then. doctors had linked Laetrile to cyanide toxicity and death. especially when taken by mouth. which was how it was administered to Det. Paxson researched Laetrile on the internet and learned the following: According to the American Cancer Society. available scienti?c evidence does not support claims that Laetrile (a k.a. amygdalin. B17. and! or amygdalina-Bl7) is effective in treating cancer or any other disease. Both contain a small amount of a substance that can be converted to cyanide in the body and several cases of cyanide poisoning have been linked to the use of Laetrile. The US. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved Laetrile as a medical treatment in the United States and Laetrile treatment should be avoided by children. and by women who are pregnant or breast-feeding. And according to eHow Health. amygdalin. commonly called Laetrile. is an alternative cancer treatment that is made from the pits of apricots and other fruits. The drug is given by intravenous injection or by pill. Amygdalin is not approved by the FDA and its use and sale is banned in the United States. According to the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. amygdalin is not effective in treating cancer and even has negative side effects in some patients and could even result in death by cyanide poisoning. Det. Paxson also learned that although banned in several states. there is a statute in Arizona. which makes it legal to manufacture. sell. offer or hold for sale or give away Laetrile. See A.R.S. 32-1962. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, On the evening of 3-15-13 Det. Paxson obtained two court orders for Obtaining Evidence of Identifying Characteristics from Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel SW2013-002453 and SW2013-002454) from the Honorable Ken Skiff of the Maricopa County Superior Comt. Det. Paxson then contacted Robert Maynard by telephone and arranged to meet with him and Grace the following day at 2:00 pm. The purpose of the meeting was to obtain identi?cation from both subjects and to speak to them about their daughter. her medical history. and the events that occurred on 3-13-13. On 3-16-13 at approximately 1:06 pm. Det. Paxson received a phone call from Attorney Chad Shell. who stated he represented Robert Maynard. He further advised that Robert and Grace would not be responding to provide a statement that afternoon. When Det. Paxson advised Mr. Shell that she had two court orders to obtain identifying characteristics from Robert and Grace and that her intention was to serve those orders on them prior to them returning to Maine. he said his client. Robert. would comply with the order. but he would advise Robert not to provide a statement. Robert and Grace arrived at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center on 3-16?13 at approximately 3:15 pm. Grace?s sister. Joy (Daniel) Walker. accompanied them. The court orders to obtain identifying characteristics were then served on Robert and Grace and buccal swabs. ?ngerprints. and photos were collected ?om both of them. After the orders had been served. Detectives Paxson and Lockerby spoke to Robert and Grace. During that time. detectives learned that Robert and Grace were not legally married. but they considered themselves to be husband and wife: they lived in a house located at and Grace?s last name was "Daniel". not Maynard. Detectives also learned that was born at home and there was no birth certi?cate on ?le for her with the State of Maine. Det. Paxson later obtained a copy of a document titled. "Labor and Birth Summary" from Mr. Shell. The document was authored by Cindy O?Donnell. a midwife in Maine. and it contained details regarding Maynard? birth on 9-1-11. A copy of 5 Birth Summary was impounded as evidence. While at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel refused to answer any questions regarding 5 death. As a result. no formal interviews were conducted with them. All contact with Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel on 3-16-13 was digitally recorded. The recordings were later impounded as evidence. On 3-16-13 Det. Paxson interviewed Grace?s sister. Joy (Daniel) Walker. During that interview. Det. Paxson learned that Joy and her husband. James Walker. were just married on 3-2-13 and that was the wedding that Robert. Grace. and had traveled to Arizona for. After the wedding. Joy and James left Arizona and went to Mexico for their honeymoon. About half way through her honeymoon. Joy learned that Robert and Grace had remained in Arizona to seek treatment for and that they were staying with James? parents in Gilbert (later identi?ed as Bruce and Margaret Walker?s residence at .) Regarding the events that occurred on 3-13-13. Joy stated Robert. Grace. and met her for a picnic lunch between 1:00 and 2:00 m. that afternoon at a park near her work in Phoenix. She said was great" and "smiley and happy" when she saw her that day. Dining the lunch. Joy said ate salad. cheese. apples. and oranges. all cold food: nothing suspicious that would have made her sick. After lunch. Joy said Robert and Grace dropped a load of her husband. James? . belongings off at her house . in Phoenix) and then they took to a doctor?s appointment. which was located somewhere off the 101 freeway. Joy said the last 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera v. Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. time she saw was in the park at lunch that day. After the doctor appointment. Joy said it was her understanding that Robert. Grace. and went out to eat at an Aniba Mexican restaurant. She wasn?t sure where the restaurant was located. but she said she assumed it was near the doctor?s of?ce. While at the restaurant. Robert and Grace noticed began acting strange. They then took her back to the same doctor?s of?ce they had been at earlier (Dr. Grout?s of?ce at . in Scottsdale). which was where they were when stopped breathing. Joy said she didn?t know anything about the doctor or what happened at appointment that day. She wasn?t sure if it was just a consultation or if actually received some sort of treatment that day. She said Robert and Grace didn?t tell her anything about the appointment. Joy described Robert and Grace as being "researchers" who researched everything. She said she knew they had researched the doctor they took to prior to their appointment that day and that they trusted her. Joy said she recalled Robert and Grace saying that the doctor had prior ER experience. Joy told Det. Paxson that Grace blogged about and her treatments on her blog. Det. Paxson? 5 interview with Joy was digitally recorded. The recording was later impounded as evidence. After interviewing Joy. Det. Paxson researched Grace Daniel?s blog. . and found it at The name of her blog was. "Grace on Purpose". Detectives Paxson. Lockerby. and Heinzehnan then viewed Grace?s blog and found several blogs about including one dated 3-15-13 titled. "Saying goodbye to our little In that blog. Grace wrote. in part. about how passed away on Wednesday evening (3-13-13). She wrote. "One minute she was happy and the next she was getting fussy and tired. About ten minutes later she went into a coma-like state and was not responding. Her breathing maintained for a while. but then the time between breaths lengthened. I think by the time the ambulance came she was gone." Grace wrote about how she and Robert had a "strong sense of peace" about the situation and that they had been preparing for it. She wrote. "Her passing didn?t come as a complete shock. which makes it a little easier to bear." Also posted on Grace?s blog was a link to her Twitter account: . Detectives Paxson and Heinzehnan then accessed that and located several "tweets" related to her condition. her treatments. and the Maynard? trip to Arizona. The following are some of the tweets the detectives viewed on Grace?s account: "Heading out! Arizona. here we come! dated 2-26-13 at 5:18 a m. and is so warm and bright! And is trying to hijack my status with her little ?ngers. Everyone seems tired except dated 2-28-13 at 11:51 a m. Based on those two tweets and based on the information Joy Walker provided during her interview regarding how the Maynards attended her wedding on 3-2-13. Det. Paxson determined Robert Maynard. Grace Daniels. and arrived in Arizona on or arormd 2-26-13 and that between 2-26-13 and 3-16-13 they stayed with family in Gilbert and Phoenix in Maricopa County. Shortly after the detectives accessed Grace?s blog and Twitter accormt that afternoon. both sites were set to private and the detectives were denied any flutller access to them. Prior to being denied access. the detectives were able to print and/ or electronically save several of Grace?s blogs and tweets. all of which were later impounded as evidence. In addition. Det. Paxson later obtained two search warrants from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW2013-015046 and SW2013-015047). The warrants were for Grace Daniel?s WordPress blog and her Twitter account. The warrants were served on WordPress and Twitter. All information received back from those two companies was preserved and impounded as evidence. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, After reviewing Dr. Lavin? 5 letter to Investigator Ramirez. Det. Paxson identi?ed three other doctors who were involved in one way or another in diagnosis and treatment. Those doctors included: Dr. Christopher Maloney. ND. in Augusta. MB: Dr. Mukai. IVE). at the Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary in Boston. MA: and Dr. Sarah Fryberger. MD. at Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor. ME. In addition. Dr. Lavin provided information about a clinic in Mesa. AZ that specialized in non-conventional treatment of cancer. He identi?ed the clinic as being "An Oasis of Healing". Dr. Lavin said Robert and Grace told him about the clinic before they left for Arizona. He said they were interested in insulin therapy for treating tumor. On 3-19-13 Det. Paxson contacted Dr. Sarah Fryberger at the Eastern Maine Medical Center and learned the following: Dr. Fryberger specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Eastern Main Medical Center in Bangor. ME and she was prepared to meet with and stage her tumor on or around 2-26-13 to determine if the tumor was Stage 3 or if it had. in fact. spread to other parts of the body and progressed to Stage 4. She learned later that day that Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel had taken to Arizona and would not be coming in to have the tumor staged. Dr. Fryberger then contacted Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital in Arizona and spoke to Dr. Frances Eshun about 5 case. Dr. Eshun told Dr. Fryberger that Dr. Pooja Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital specialized in retinoblastoma and would be able to stage 5 tumor while the family was in Arizona. An appointment for was set with Dr. Hingorani at Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital for 3-4-13. Dr. Fryberger then contacted Robert Maynard by telephone and spoke to him about the importance of having 5 tumor staged as soon as possible. She told him failure to have the tumor staged and failure to obtain the appropriate treatment based on the staging. could result in 5 death. Dr. Fryberger provided Robert Maynard with Dr. Hingorani 5 name and phone number and told him to expect a call from Dr. Hingorani?s of?ce regarding the upcoming appointment on 3-4-13. Dr. Fryberger said Robert Maynard was polite during her phone conversation with him. but it was her opinion. that he did not agree with the urgency of having 5 tumor staged. Dr. Fryberger told Det. Paxson that even if tumor had progressed to Stage 4. she could have been treated. which would have added time to her life. When Det. Paxson asked Dr. Fryberger for her opinion regarding whether or not died from complications related to her tumor. she adamantly replied. "She did not die from tumor! She did not die from tumor!" Dr. Fryberger told Det. Paxson it was her opinion that died from the treatment she received on 3-13-13 and she expected the toxicology results from the autopsy to con?rm that. Dr. Fryberger suggested Det. Paxson also contact Dr. Eric Grabowski. a pediatric hematologist/ oncologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston regarding his interaction with the Maynard family. On 3-19-13 Det. Paxson contacted Dr. Grabowski by telephone and learned the following: Dr. Grabowski worked with Dr. Shizuo Mukai. an ophthahnologist and retinoblastoma expert at Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary in Boston. MA. was referred to them by Dr. C. William Lavin in Maine because there was no facility in Maine that could perform the surgery needed. Dr. Mukai met with the Maynard family on 2-12-13 and concluded did. in fact. have retinoblastoma. He scheduled her for surgery (enucleation of the right eye). which she had on 2-22-13. Dr. Grabowski met with the Maynard family on 2-14-13 and determined needed urgent brain imaging (MR scan of the brain). He learned the Maynard family didn?t have insurance. so he provided them with information regarding how to apply for Medicaid in Maine. He then arranged for them to see Dr. Larson at the Maine Cancer Center in Portland. ME. Dr. Grabowski stayed in contact with the Maynard family and urged them to have tumor staged. which was arranged to be 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related rd'qum Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. performed by Dr. Sarah Fryberger in Bangor. ME. It should be noted. Det. Paxson located a blog Grace Daniel posted on 2-21-13 where she wrote about Dr. Grabowski. Grace wrote: "The MRI results are in: the tumor HAS NOT SPREAD outside the eye! This is such a relief. Tomorrow Dr. Mukai will remove the and she?ll be "cured"! (It?s a little odd to consider removing a body part as a "cure". but ya know) Dr. Grabowski still wants to do a spinal tap and a bone mor?row test. just to check if there?s any microscopic-sized cells that have spread elsewhere. We think it?s highly unlikely. Those tests can wait for a little while and don?t need to be done immediately." underwent surgery on 2-22-13 and the next thing Dr. Grabowski heard was that the Maynard family had left Maine and had gone to Arizona. He then called Robert Maynard and asked him why he left Maine. Robert told Dr. Grabowski that they had a wedding to attend and that Dr. Mukai gave them permission to ?y to Arizona. Dr. Grabowski then spoke to Dr. Mukai who told him that wasn?t true. He said Dr. Mukai said Robert asked him if could be on a plane. which he said she could. but Robert never asked him if they could travel to Arizona. Dr. Grabowski said he then told Robert. "The wedding is not as important as your child?s life. You should get back to Maine as soon as possible because she needs urgent evaluation. Her life is at risk." Dr. Grabowski remained in contact with Dr. Fryberger and when the Maynards didn?t return to Maine. Dr. Fryberger found a pediatric retinoblastoma specialist in Phoenix and arranged for the Maynards to be seen there (Dr. Pooja Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital). When the Maynards missed their appointment at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. both Dr. Grabowski and Dr. Fryberger became increasingly concerned about They both tried to reach Robert by calling his cell phone. but he did not answer their calls. Both doctors left messages telling him it was "very urgent" that be seen as soon as possible. Robert didn?t take their phone calls. nor did he return them. Dr. Grabowski said both he and Dr. Fryberger then contacted the Department of Health Services in Maine and made reports of child neglect. Dr. Grabowski told Det. Paxson retinoblastoma was a rare and uncommon disease. He said he had been involved in 20 -30 cases of very advanced retinoblastoma and he had probably seen approximately 300 - 400 cases of it over the years. Of the very advanced cases he had seen. it was his experience that the patients did not die suddenly from their tumors. Dr. Grabowski told Det. Paxson that even if the tumor had progressed to the brain. it would be a lingering death. He would expect to see a change in the patient?s mental status and they would be unable to take anything by mouth. Det. Paxson told Dr. Grabowski that had a picnic lunch in the park between 1:00 pm. and 2:00 pm. that afternoon and then her parents took her to Dr. Grout?s of?ce. where she was given approximately 3 cc of Laetrile by mouth. Dr. Grabowski said if was awake. alert. and able to take the Laetrile by mouth. it is unlikely she died from retinoblastoma. He said it was his opinion that 5 death came on too suddenly to have been caused by a tumor in her brain. Dr. Grabowski told Det. Paxson that in all the years he had been taking care of children with advanced tumors. all of the children he had seen were from poor. impoverished families or third world countries and didn?t have access to medical care. He said there was one exception. which involved a child with a very rapid disease and there was nothing that family could have done differently. Dr. Grabowski told Det. Paxson this was the ?rst time he had seen direct child neglect. He said the Maynard family had access to medical care that could have changed the outcome. but they chose not to pursue it. Dr. Grabowski told Det. Paxson. "This is child neglect and this child did not have to die." Det. Paxson? 5 contact with Dr. Grabowski was digitally recorded. The recording was later impounded as evidence. On 3-19-13 Det. Paxson contacted Dr. Lavin by telephone and con?rmed the information he had written in his letter to Investigator Ramirez on 3-14-13. In particular. Det. Paxson con?rmed that when he met with Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel on 2-25-13. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. they brought with them information about holistic care and vitamin therapy from two clinics in Arizona. one of which was in Mesa. In addition. they brought with them information from St. Jude? 5 hospital regarding conventional chemotherapy. Dr. Lavin said Robert and Grace did not want to pursue high-dose chemotherapy for and instead. kept talking about low-dose chemotherapy and vitamin as well as insulin therapy. Dr. Lavin advised Robert and Grace that none of those treatment options were acceptable for 5 condition. (See Dr. Lavin?s letter Attachment for further regarding his involvement with the Maynard family). Det. Paxson? 5 contact with Dr. Lavin was digitally recorded. The recording was later impounded as evidence. On 3-20-13 Det. Paxson interviewed Dr. Jonathan Murphy from . an alternative cancer treatment center. located in Mesa. AZ. Dr. Murphy is a licensed physician in Arizona. who specializes in internal medicine. pediatrics. and holistic medicine. In addition. he practices oncology without a board certi?cation. He identi?ed himself as being one of two doctors in the United States that specializes in using Laetrile to treat cancer. During the interview with Dr. Murphy. Det. Paxson learned the following: Laetrile comes in two forms: the liquid. injectable form (administered intravenously) and the tablet form (taken orally). Laetrile has been used to treat cancer in children. Dr. Murphy stated he has personally administered Laetrile to children as young as 5 years old. He stated Laetrile is very safe as long as it is administered intravenously. When Det. Paxson asked whether or not it was acceptable to administer or to take by mouth the intravenous form for Laetrile. Dr. Murphy said. "If you were out of the oral form and you?d been taking it. you might try it. I suppose. but. 11111. no. I?ve never tried that before. I don?t think it?s something I would." Det. Paxson explained to Dr. Murphy that this case involved an 18-month old child who had been given 3 cc of Laetrile by mouth. Dr. Murphy con?rmed that 3 cc of the injectable form of Laetrile would equal 1 gram. When asked if that was considered to be a normal dose to give a child that age and size. Dr. Mluphy stated that if it was given by injection (intravenously). it probably wouldn?t have been too much. He further advised that oral doses of Laetrile are usually not administered until the patient has had intravenous doses of it. Dr. stated it was not common to give a patient their ?rst dose of Laetrile orally. When asked what the appropriate dose of Laetrile would be for a child who was 18 months old and weighed approximately 22 - 23 lbs. which was what Det. Paxson estimated weighed. Dr. Murphy stated he would consider 150 mg - 250 mg an appropriate oral dose for a child that age and size. Dr. Murphy said 3 cc of Laetrile (or 1 gram) was equal to 1000 mg. which was about four times the oral dose he would recommend for a child that age and size. Dr. Murphy con?rmed retinoblastoma was a progressive disease and patients who died ?'om it suffered a "misery of a death". He said retinoblastoma patients did not typically die suddenly. Det. Paxson explained the details of the case. including the time line of when was administered the Laetrile. how it was administered. and the she exhibited after receiving the treatment. Det. Paxson then asked Dr. Murphy his opinion regarding whether or not may have died from complications related to the Laetrile treatment or to retinoblastoma. Dr. stated the possibility existed that her death was related to the treatment she received. however. he said he would want to know if turned blue. experienced rapid breathing. or any other of cyanide toxicity and he would also want to collect body ?uids to test for cyanide. In addition to issues regarding dosage. Dr. Mluphy stated there were other factors that could cause cyanide toxicity. For example. he said cancer itself could make cyanide out of Laetrile and high quantities of microbes. such as an overgrowth of bacteria in a patient?s body. could produce the same result. When Det. Paxson asked Dr. Murphy if there were any tests that he would conduct on a patient prior to starting treatment with Laetrile to ensure it was safe to do so. he said that he would normally start intravenously because 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Laetrile is non-toxic in its intravenous form. and then he would evaluate the patient?s response. Dr. Murphy said the only way Laetrile was fomld to be toxic was when it was force fed by mouth in massive quantities to lab animals. He stated there have been cases involving people where Laetrile was administered orally in large quantities and it resulted in cyanide toxicity. Dr. Murphy said administering Laetrile intravenously was the way to treat a cancer patient. He said he always administered it intravenously because he was able to give large doses safely. In addition. Dr. Murphy stated that there had never been a case of cyanide toxicity related to Laetrile when it was administered intravenously. Dr. Murphy con?rmed he knew Dr. Martha Grout. When Det. Paxson told him she was the doctor who had administered the Laetrile to the 18 month old child. Dr. Murphy said that surprised him. Dr. Murphy stated he believed 5 death was probably related to the dose of Laetrile she received. but he said the medical examiner pathologist would be the one to determine that. Det. Paxson?s contact with Dr. Murphy was digitally recorded. The recording was later impounded as evidence. On 3-21-13 Det. Paxson obtained a search warrant for Dr. Martha Grout?s practice. the . located at . in Scottsdale. from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW 2013-015028). The warrant was served on Dr. Martha Grout and her practice at approximately 3:45 m. that afternoon. Upon serving the warrant. Det. Paxson advised Dr. Grout that she wasn?t under arrest. Dr. Grout was provided with a copy of the search warrant. She read through it and then contacted her attorney. Mr. Garrett Smith. After speaking to Mr. Smith. Dr. Grout told Det. Paxson that she would comply with the search warrant and would assist Det. Paxson in locating items listed in the search warrant. but she would not provide a statement or participate in an irrtemiew without having her attorney present. As a result. no interview was conducted with Dr. Grout. Regarding patient ?les. Dr. Grout told Det. Paxson that she utilized a remote storage server called "Practice Fusion". which allowed her to digitally store everything. As a result. Det. Paxson was unable to independently seize 5 patient ?le. Dr. Grout was cooperative and assisted Det. Paxson by accessing 5 patient ?le on Practice Fusion and then printing out a hard copy of it. which she then gave to Det. Paxson. The items she gave to Det. Paxson included the following: notes from a free 15-minute phone consultation with Robert Maynard dated 3-4-13: registration paperwork. including ?nancial policy. insurance policy. Medicare private contract. Consent for Treatment. HIPPA information. patient demographic information. past medical history. diagnosis history. prescription history. and growth chart dated 3-7-13; Child! Adolescent intake form dated 3-7-13: NBS Health report for dated 3-7-13: SOAP (Subjective. Objective. Assessment. Plan) Note from an appointment Dr. Grout had with on 3-7-13: an email about dosage from Dr. Grout to Robert Maynard at robertm365@gmail.com dated 3-8-13 at 6:52 SOAP Note from an appointment Dr. Grout had with on 3-13-13: Medical evaluation and recommendation for dated 3-13-13: Vitals History. Case Review. a retrospective note. authored by Dr. Grout on 3-14-13: a letter from Dr. Martha Grout to the Scottsdale Fire Department?s Chief dated 3-15-13: charge sheets dated 3-7-13 and 3-13-13. 3 letter to Robert Maynard from Dr. C. William Lavin in Waterville. ME. dated 2-28-13: brain imaging report ?om the Maine Medical Center in Portland. ME. on 2-20-13: 5 operative report (Dr. Shizuo Mukai) from the Massachusetts and Ear Infnmary in Boston. MA on 2-22-13: various research articles regarding the treatment of retinoblastoma: and Dr. Grout? 5 notes from a conversation with Robert Maynard on 3-16-13. Det. Paxson reviewed 5 patient ?le and learned the following: Robert Maynard spoke to someone at the Arizona Center for 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 2 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Advanced Medicine on 3-4-13 and had a free 15 minute consultation. The notes from that consultation indicated Robert? 5 daughter had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma. although she had been for ten months. Pathology con?rmed both the retina and optic nerve had tested positive for cancer and she had already undergone surgery (enucleation). The family was from Maine. but they were in Arizona for a wedding and they had gone to Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital. PCH wanted to do a spinal tap on the child followed by chemotherapy. Robert was calling to inquire whether or not his daughter should do the spinal tap at PCH. According to the notes. PCH was giving him some but he would get the tests if they were necessary. An appointment for was then scheduled with Dr. Grout on 3-7-13 at 3:45 111. According to the SOAP notes related to that appointment. weighed 24 and was 29 long that day. In the "objective" section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted that was a well nourished. well developed child. She described her as being cheerful: able to sit by herself: and toddle with assistance. She noted. "no words. excellent contact. No abuse/ neglect evident." In the "assessment" section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. "High likelihood of metastatic disease. given that the tumor has already invaded the optic nerve. Anti-angiogenic foods. anti-oxidant supplements. tumoricidal supplements (amygdalin) are much more to the parents? inclination than standard chemotherapy (vincristine. carboplatin. etoposide). Diagnoses: Malignant neoplasm of retina with optic nerve involvement and other nutritional de?ciency. possible genetic defect in folic acid metabolism. In the "plan" section of the SOAP report. Dr. Grout noted. "amygdalin. poly-MVA. and Vitamin in high doses". She also noted. "Metabolic analysis pro?le - possibly an RGCC OncoCormt. In the email from Dr. Grout to Robert Maynard on 3-8-13. she recommended be given 2 teaspoons of poly-MVA per day. one teaspoon in the morning and one teaspoon in the evening. Robert and Grace took back to see Dr. Grout on 3-13-13. In the "subjective" section of Dr. Grout?s SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. has been doing well with taking 1 teaspoon twice a day. and appears to be tolerated the medication well. We discussed recommendations for further treatment and possible testing. Parents will take the binder home. discuss the recommendations. and get back to us. They do want to try amygdalin because of its known activity against tumor cells. in the hopes that we may be able to prevent recurrence or metastasis of tumor - very in retinoblastomas which have already invaded the optic nerve." In the "objective" section of the SOAP notes from that day. Dr. Grout noted. "Just woke up from a nap. so a little drowsy on initial evaluation. but alert and cheerful during the of?ce visit." In the "assessmen section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. scan showed several vitamin imbalances. which we plan to address with nutritional supplements. I also recommended testing for at least polymorphism. Diagnoses: malignant neoplasm of retina and other nutritional de?ciency." In the "plan" section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. 5 m1 bid and amygdalin 3.4 ml of the liquid form daily." In the Medical Evaluation and Recommendations form dated 3-13-13. it stated had been diagnosed with retinoblastoma and a possible genetic defect in folic acid metabolism. Various tests. including Metabolic Analysis Pro?le. GI Function pro?le. NeuroGenomic pro?le. and an RGCC test. were recommended. A brief description of each test was also provided. Det. Paxson reviewed them and noted that none of the recommended tests involved irmnediately staging tumor. The RGCC test. which was listed fourth on the testing priority list. was described as being a test to determine circulating tumor cell count. chemosensitivity. and sensitivity to altemative treatments. It involved taking a blood sample ?om the patient and then sending it to a lab in Greece. If circulating tumor cells (CTCs) were found in the blood sample. the CTCs could then be grown in tissue culture and tested against a multitude of chemotherapeutic agents as well as "alternatives" and botanicals. to see which substances had the highest kill rate in tissue culture. The information further advised that it was not a 100% guarantee that what worked in the tissue culture would work on the original tumor. but it was a "pretty good" indication and far better than anything we had available in the United States. A list 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. of treatments was also provided in the Medical Evaluation and form. Included in that list was the recommendation to take supplemental vitamins and fatty acids for better metabolism. to include a multivitamin. ?sh oils. amygdalin to help induce apoptosis in tumor cells. and a powerful antioxidant. also to help induce apoptosis in tumor cells. In a "Case Review" report dated 3-14-13. Dr. Grout noted the following. "Father called the of?ce at approximately 5:30 m. yesterday to say that was crying and not acting right. They had taken her to a restaurant and had just started eating. when she started to cry in a way that was lulusual for her. I advised them to bring her to the of?ce. On arrival. the child appeared to be sleeping. Respiratory rate was slow. but regular. Father remarked that she always had slow breathing when asleep. Left pupil was reactive to light. Right is enucleated. Heart rate regular. about 100. Extremities were cool but not cyanotic. After a time of observation. her breathing abruptly went from slow to none and facial color changed to white. I was unable to hear a heartbeat or feel a pulse. 911 was called and CPR was initiated immediately. Emergency Medical Persormel arrived. intubated the child. started an intraosseous line. monitor showed no cardiac activity. Epinephrine was administered in this of?ce. and she was transported to Scottsdale Memorial Hospital on Shea Blvd. CPR was continued at the hospital. but to no avail. The baby was pronounced dead. and the medical examiner noti?ed by hospital persomlel. I was at the hospital with Robert and Grace when the pronouncement occurred. Times are not noted because we were not keeping track of them. not anticipating this outcome. Cause of death? Will need to be determined by autopsy. I anticipate a call from the medical examiner today. After the fact. father and his ?iend told me that had had an unusually smelly stool in her diaper earlier today. and that she seemed to be passing a lot of gas. They could not recall anything else of note." In addition to the hard copy of 5 patient ?le. Dr. Grout also provided Det. Paxson with hard copies of multiple articles regarding Laetrile and amygdalin. Det. Paxson reviewed the articles found that recommended dosages were discussed in some of the articles. One of the articles noted. "When Laetrile is used therapeutically. it is usually given either intravenously. at doses from one to nine grams. or orally. at doses of 500 mg. two to four times daily. To maximize the safety and effectiveness of oral Laetrile. it is imperative that it be taken on an empty stomach. either two hours before or three hours after a meal. Never combine oral Laetrile with raw almonds or raw apricot kernels. or raw vegetable or bean sprouts. as these are high in the cyanide-releasing betaglucosidase enzyme." Another article cited research involving the combination of the intravenous and oral forms of Laetrile for treatment and noted that Laetrile was given intravenously (up to 9 grams) for a period of months prior to it being given orally (1 gram at bedtime). Neither article mentioned the difference between treating an adult and treating a child. However. based on dosage information in both articles and the information Dr. John Murphy provided. received more than the recommended dose on 3-13-13. All of the ?les and documents obtained from Dr. Grout were later impounded as evidence. On 3-21-13. during the service of the search warrant at Detectives Paxson. Lockerby. and Heinzehnan contacted all of the employees who were present that afternoon and spoke to them about the incident involving The following is a list of employees contacted: Steven Swerdfeger. Karissa Brown. Shelley Heinley. Jennifer Katona. Kyle Sartor. Ray Purselley. Nguyen. and Peter Geare. Det. Paxson interviewed Steven Swerdfeger. Karissa Brown. and Shelley Heinley. During her interview with Steven Swerdfeger. she learned the following: Steven is married to Dr. Martha Grout (31 years) and he works as a hypnotist at Steven said he was at on 3-13-13. but he left the of?ce arormd 3:30 - 4200 p.111 that afternoon. As he was leaving. he said he saw the Maynards arriving for their appointment. At approximately 6:41 m. that evening. he said he received a phone call from Jen Katona 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. 2 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 1 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: PAXSON. on Dr. Grout? 5 cell phone. He said Jen told him that was breathing slowly and they were concerned. Steven said he received a second call from Jen Katona at 6:52 p.m. that evening. Again. Jen called him from Dr. Grout?s cell phone. During that call. he said Jen told him they had called 911 and they were on their way to the hospital. Steven said Martha (Dr. Grout) returned home later that evening and told him that had died. When asked if Martha (Dr. Grout) talked to him about any medication she may have given he said. think she was giving the child. 11111. B17 if I recall." Steven wasn?t sure how the B17 was administered to During Det. Paxson?s interview with Karissa Brown. she learned the following: Karissa was working at the front desk on the aftemoon of 3-13-13. She said the Maynards arrived at around 3:30 p.m. for their appointment and they left the clinic around 4:30 m. Karissa recalled seeing that afternoon when they checked in at 3:30 111. She described her as being "cute and smiling". Karissa was still at the clinic after 5:00 p.m. when Dr. Grout announced that the Maynards were coming back. She said she was there when the Maynards arrived. but she didn?t see them. Karissa estimated she left that evening around 5:30 p.m. She said she learned about 5 death the next day when she returned to work. During Det. Paxson?s interview with Shelley Heinley. she learned the following: Shelley is the patient liaison at She never actually met the Maynards. but she scheduled their initial free 15-minute consultation with Dr. Grout. Regarding the events that occurred on 3-13-13. Shelley said she was in a medical meeting with Dr. Grout that afternoon between 5:00 and 5:30 111. During the meeting. she said Dr. Grout received a phone call on her cell phone. Shelley said she could hear a baby crying on the other end of the call. She said based on what she heard. she thought it might be a long call. so she decided to end her meeting with Dr. Grout. Shelley said she then left She said she wasn?t there when the Maynards retmned with and she didn?t hear about 5 death until she returned to work the next day. Det. Heinzelman contacted Jermifer Katona. Dr. Nguyen. Kyle Sartor. and Ray Purselley. When he contacted Jennifer "Jen" Katona. LPN. the nursing supervisor at and attempted to interview her about the incident involving Jennifer told him she didn?t want to speak to him without an attorney present. Det. Heinzelman provided ermifer with his business card and asked her to contact him once she had consulted with an attorney. Jennifer never contacted him. As a result. no interview with her was ever conducted. During Det. Heinzelman?s interview with Dr. Nguyen. NMD. he learned the following: Dr. Nguyen had been working at since 10-29-12. She was at on 3-13-13. however. she was in her of?ce the entire time and didn?t see any patients. Dr. Nguyen said she had never used B17 or Laetrile. nor had she ever done any research on it. As a result. she was unable to provide a medical opinion about it. Kyle Sartor. the receptionist at the front desk. told Det. Heinzelman that he was working on 3-13-13 and he remembered a young couple who arrived with a baby that afternoon. He said the couple met with Dr. Grout. but he didn?t know what happened during the appointment. Kyle said he believed the couple paid cash for the appointment. but he couldn?t remember for sure. He said he heard later that the baby had died. He had no further information to provide. Ray Purselley. the CEO of told Det. Heinzelman he had been working for Dr. Grout since 2011. Regarding the incident involving Ray said he was in the of?ce on 3-13-13. but he didn?t witness the incident. nor was he aware of what happened until the ambulance arrived. He said he drove Dr. Grout to the hospital that evening. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Det. Lockerby contacted Peter Geare and interviewed him. The following is a summary of the information Peter provided: Peter was working at the front desk when Robert and Grace brought in for her appointment on 3-13-13. He recalled seeing and her injured and he said he recalled seeing her playing with a truck while her father spoke to Kyle Sartor about the billing. Later that evening. sometime after 5:00 Peter said someone received a phone call from the Maynards. He said he then heard someone say that the Maynards had an "emergency" and they were on their way back to the clinic even though it was "after hours". Peter said he was walking out of the clinic to leave for the day when the Maynards arrived back there. He said Dr. Grout met them at their car and then escorted them back inside the clinic. Peter said was moving around. but didn?t appear to be clinging to anyone. He said he didn?t think that was normal and appeared to be in distress. Peter left the clinic and didn?t hear about 5 death until the next day when he retlmied to work. On 3-29-13 Det. Paxson obtained a search warrant for Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s residence. located at 9 Goff Rd. in Dexter. Maine. from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Celut (SW 2013-015040). Det. Paxson then contacted Det. D. Peary with the Maine State Police and provided him with a copy of the warrant. Det. Peary then utilized Det. Paxson? 5 Arizona search warrant and obtained a search warrant in Maine. 011 4-2-13 Detectives Paxson and Lockerby traveled to Maine. On 4-3-13 they met with Det. D. Peary with the Maine State Police and they served a search warrant on Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel? residence in . During the search of the Maynards? residence. multiple items of evidence were seized. Those Items included the following: a Dell Inspiron desktop compute: a Toshiba external hard drive: a Motorola ?ip cell phone: a Canon Powershot digital camera: a spiral notebook journal: an envelope labeled Receipts": a photo collage of a pink photo alblun: a red folder. which contained various documents related to a San Disk 4 GB SD memory card: a wedding program for Joy and James Walker: indicia of occupancy at 1 a manila folder containing medical documents for and a white 3-ring binder. which contained paperwork for from the . Cell phones were also listed in the warrant and included in the items to be seized. However. Robert and Grace were not home when the warrant was served. The Motorola ?ip phone that was located appeared to be an old phone. Later that afternoon. Det. Peary received a phone call from Attorney Stephen Smith. Mr. Smith told Det. Peary he represented Robert Maynard. Det. Peary advised Mr. Smith that he had a search warrant for Robert and Grace?s residence and that the warrant included Robert and Grace?s cell phones. Mr. Smith confmned both Robert and Grace had their cell phones with them and that the one that was seized from the residence during the service of the warrant was an old phone. Mr. Smith agreed to meet with Det. Peary the following day and turn Robert and Grace?s cell phones over to him. On 4-4-13 Detectives Paxson and Lockerby accompanied Det. D. Peary to Mr. Smith?s of?ce in Bangor where they met with Mr. Smith. Robert. and Grace. Det. Peary then provided them with a copy of the search warrant. Robert and Grace then turned their personal cell phones over to Det. Peary and they were seized as evidence. Robert?s cell phone was a blue Samsung Galaxy smart phone. model SCH-R530. serial number: Grace?s cell phone was a red and black Samsung ?ip phone. model SCH-R270. serial number: All of the items seized in Maine were later turned over to Detectives Paxson and Lockerby. They took custody of them and later impounded them as evidence. The items are currently in the custody of the Scottsdale Police Department. On 4-12-13 Det. Paxson obtained a search warrant from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW 2013-015048). which allowed detectives from the Scottsdale Police Department to search the electronic items seized in 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Maine. Det. Paxson then contacted the Scottsdale Police Department Computer Crimes Unit and requested that the electronic items seized in Maine be examined. in particular for emails. web searches. notes. reports. and/ or any other form of communication that may indicate whether or not Robert and/ or Grace researched Laetrile. amygdalin. and! or Vitamin B17 on the intemet or if they received any type of information regarding those substances and the treatment of cancer. either via email or text message. before they allowed Dr. Grout to administer it to on 3-13-13. Det. D. Litch?eld #657. who is a trained computer forensic analyst. examined the electronic items. He examined all three cell phones and determined that only Robert?s Samsung Galaxy was capable of accessing the intemet and actually had web/ intemet history saved on it. Most of the web/ intemet history saved on Robert?s cell phone was dated. however. some of it wasn?t. The dated history was from the time period of 3-17-13 through 4-3-13. which was after 5 death. None of the web intemet history saved on Robert?s cell phone included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and/ or Vitamin B17. Text messages and emails were also recovered from Robert? 5 cell phone. The majority of the text messages recovered from Robert? 5 cell phone were formd in the "in box" and they were dated 2-4-13 through 4-2-13. The contents of those messages were reviewed and none of them included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and/ or Vitamin B17. The majority of the emails recovered from Robert?s cell phone were also dated and they were from the time period of 1-20?1 3 through 4-2-13. Infonnation recovered from the emails included who the emails were to: who they were from: the date they were sent or received: the subject of the email: and the content of the email. Robert? 5 email address was identi?ed ill the emails as and Grace?s email was identi?ed in the emails as . Some of the people Robert and Grace exchanged emails with during that time period included Robert?s parents. Todd and Deb Maynard: Grace?s mother. Laluie Daniel: Shelly Heinley. a patient liaison at the Delta Airlines: Kristyn Fish at The Fulhiess of Life Foundation. which is an organization that provides information. education and awareness regarding the use of advanced. integrative medicine in the prevention and treatment of cancer: Christopher Maloney. N.D.. the naturopathic doctor in Maine. who referred to Dr. Lavin: Maureen Long. the founder and administrator of Camelot Cancer Care in Oklahoma: and Dr. Martha Grout. Two of the emails recovered from Robert? 5 cell phone specifically mentioned "Laetrile". The ?rst email was dated 2-26-13 at 5:45 p.m. It was from Robert a1 and it was to . The subject of the message was titled: "Website Form Completion - Contact". Robert?s name. along with his email address. were provided as contact information. The content of the message was as follows: "Daughter with cancer - doctors pushing for chemo ASAP. My daughter was diagnosed with Retinoblastoma on Feb 15. She underwent enucleation surgery. removal. on Feb 22. The Surgeon said that the MRI showed that a small amount of tumor had advanced beyond/behind the socket. and that he was unable to get it all. The MRI did not show anything beyond that. We received clearance from the Surgeon and our primary care physician to ?y with her on our previously booked (but rescheduled) ?ights to Phoenix to attend my sister-in-laws wedding this Saturday. We are currently ell-route. I just received a call that they want to start chemo on Thursday. We do not want to subject our little girl to full blown chemo. We want to employ integrative therapies (Alternative. complementary. perhaps IPT lowdose chemo. Intravenous Laetrile or Vitamin C. Hyperthennia.0xdative therapies. DMSO. etc.). but we have no funds. We realize that we are likely in for a ?ght with CPS and will undoubtedly need some help with that as well. We are currently scheduled to be in Phoenix until Sunday night. I see that you have a fund raiser plalmed on Thursday evening in Tempe. Perhaps we could meet with someone then. or maybe before? Please help if you can. Robert" The second email was dated 3-4-13. It was from "Deb Maynard" and it was addressed to both Robert and Grace. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. The subject of the message was titled. "Research". The content of the email was as follows: "Dear Robert and Grace. Been doing lots of studying. Below is a list of some of what I have fomld so you might have an idea of some more possible alternative treatments Dr. Martha might suggest when you meet with her on Tuesday. Also. I?m thinking that perhaps Grace might want to think of incorporating some of these things into her diet and routines. Just a thought. I love you all. Mimi" Below the message was a long list of foods and other items. Included in that list was "Laetrile (Apricot seeds)". Grace?s cell phone. the Samsung ?ip phone. and the Motorola ?ip phone. which was seized from the Maynards? residence in Maine. were also examined. Det. Litch?eld determined that neither of those phones had any type of web internet history saved on them. Grace?s cell phone. the Samsung ?ip phone. had no call history or text messages saved on it. either. The Motorola ?ip phone had the same phone number assigned to it as Robert? Samsung Galaxy HI: and it appeared to be a phone he had prior to obtaining the Galaxy. There was call history saved on that phone. but it wasn?t dated. There were also text messages saved on that phone. The most recent text was an incoming message dated 11-7-12. Det. Paxson reviewed the contents of those text messages and determined none of them included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and! or Vitamin B17. Det. Litch?eld also examined the Dell Inspiron desk top computer and the Toshiba external hard drive. which were seized ?'om the Maynards? residence in Maine. In doing so. he recovered many of the same emails. including the one to on 2-26-13. that he had already recovered from Robert?s Samsung Galaxy HI cell phone. A copy of Det. Litch?eld?s forensic report was impounded as evidence and is currently in the custody of the Scottsdale Police Department. 011 6-24-13. Det. Paxson interviewed Christopher Maloney. N.D. over the telephone. Dr. Maloney is a naturopathic doctor in Augusta. Maine. He was the ?rst doctor that Robert and Grace took to see. During the interview with Dr. Maloney. Det. Paxson learned the following: Dr. Maloney ?rst met Robert and Grace when they brought to see him on 12-12-12. He said the ?rst time he saw her right was re?ective and swollen. Dr. Maloney said his ?rst thought was that was suffering from severe glaucoma and he told Robert and Grace that they needed to take her to see an ophthahnologist immediately. He said when Robert and Grace left his o?ice that day. he believed they were going to follow his advice and take to see an ophthalmologist. On 1-24-13 Dr. Maloney said he received a phone call from Robert Maynard. During that conversation. Robert told him he didn?t want to take to see an ophthalmologist and they wanted to bring her back to him instead. Dr. Maloney said he scheduled another appointment for on 1-28-13. Dr. Maloney said when Robert and Grace rettu?ned with on 1-28-13. he immediately noticed 5 condition was much worse. At that point. Dr. Maloney said he had an extensive three hour conversation with Robert and Grace about faith and medicine and the decision to seek conventional medical treatment. At the end of the conversation. Dr. Maloney said Robert and Grace agreed to seriously consider taking to see an ophthalmologist. He said he told them he needed to hear back from them that week regarding their decision. Dr. Maloney said Robert Maynard called him on 2-4-13 and told him they were still considering taking to see an ophthalmologist. but they had decided they were not going to do surgery. He said Robert told him that they wanted to bring 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera v. Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. back to see him. instead. Dr. Maloney agreed to see later that week. In the meantime. he found a pediatric ophthalmologist. Dr. C. William Lavin. who agreed to see at any time. When Robert and Grace showed up with on 2-8-13. Dr. Maloney handed them MapQuest directions to Dr. Lavin? 5 of?ce and told them that Dr. Lavin was expecting them. Robert and Grace took to see Dr. Lavin that afternoon. After their appointment. Robert called Dr. Maloney and told him that Dr. Lavin had diagnosed with retinoblastoma and that he had referred them to a specialist in Boston. Dr. Maloney said Robert Maynard stayed in contact with him during 5 procedure in Boston and during her recovery afterward. Later. he learned the Maynards went to Arizona for a wedding. On 2-28-13 Dr. Maloney said he received a fax regarding surgery. He said Robert then contacted him and asked him for his opinion regarding the results. Dr. Maloney said he sent Robert and email. He provided Det. Paxson with a copy of that email. which read as follows: looked over the fax. which says to me that there was no Visible optic nerve involvement. but on microscopic review the surgery did not achieve a clear margin. Having no clear margin means that a piece of the tumor could continue to grow in the area. The request I read is for a llunbar spinal tap to check and see if has tumor cells in her spinal ?uid. I think that is a very reasonable thing to do given the treatments being offered. and I would support getting a spinal tap as soon as possible. Once we have the tap. we?ll know where we stand in terms of treatment." Robert responded back to Dr. Maloney and said. "Okay." That was the last time Dr. Maloney heard from Robert Maynard before died. When asked whether or not he was familiar with the substance Laetrile Vitamin B17. Dr. Maloney said. "It? a cyanide - cyanide extract from the apricot kernel." He described it as being "nasty". He said he had never used it to treat any of his patients. nor did he know anyone that had used it to treat children. Dr. Maloney said there may be clinics in Tijuana. Mexico that utilize it to treat children. but he wasn?t sure. When asked if he was aware that had been given Laetrile when she was in Arizona. Dr. Maloney said he didn?t know that. On 6-25-13 Det. Paxson obtained a court order from the Scottsdale City Court The order was for call detail records related to Robert?s cell phone: and Grace?s cell phone: for the time period of February 1. 2013 through March 31. 2013. The order was faxed to U.S. Cellular on 6-26-13. On 7-8-13 Det. Paxson received Robert and Grace? 5 cell phone records from U. S. Cellular. Det. Paxson reviewed the records and noted the following: Between 2-26-13 and 3-7-13. which was during the time Robert and Grace were in Arizona with Robert received (3) incoming phone calls from Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. Based on the information Dr. Eric Grabowski provided regarding his contact and attempted contact with Robert Maynard during that time period. it is believed those three phone calls were from him. Robert also received (2) incoming phone calls ?om Dr. Sarah Fryberger during that time period. (1) on 2-28-13 and (1) on 3-5-13: (3) incoming phone calls from Phoenix Children?s Hospital. (1) on 2-28-13. (1) on 3-1-13. and (1) on 3-4-13: and (17) incoming phone calls from Dr. Lavin. During that same time period. Grace received incoming calls from various homeopathic treatment facilities. including: Euro Med. . the Clinic. Shea Medical. Hope4Cancer Institute. Simone Protective Cancer Center. and the American Anti-Cancer Institute. The records U.S. Cellular provided for the outgoing calls made from Robert and Grace?s cell phones while they were in Arizona were incomplete due to the fact that U.S. Cellular does not provide cellular phone senice in Arizona. As a result. only the calls Robert and Grace made to other U.S. Cellular customers were included in the records U.S. Cellular provided for that time period. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s cell phone records from U.S. Cellular were preserved and later impormded as evidence. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera Agm" SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/?1312013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. After learning that only the outgoing calls made to other US. Cellular customers were included in Robert and Grace?s cell phone records. Det. Paxson obtained a court order for all incoming and outgoing phone calls to the at on 3-13-13. which was the date Dr. Grout administered the Laetrile to The order was obtained ?om Scottsdale City Court on 2-24-14 and it was faxed to Cox Arizona Telcom on 2-25-14. On 3-6-14 Det. Paxson received the requested records from Cox. She reviewed them and noted the following: On the evening of 3-13-13 the (AZCAM) received three incoming phone calls from Grace Daniel? 5 cell phone: . The ?rst call was received at approximately 5: 18 pm. and it lasted for 1.36 minutes. The second call was received at approximately 5:20 m. and it lasted for 5.72 minutes. The third call was received at approximately 5:31 pm. and it lasted for 1.34 minutes. Based on the phone records obtained from Cox: information obtained during interviews with staff: and 5 patient ?le. which was seized during the search warrant at it is believed Robert Maynard utilized Grace?s cell phone to call Dr. Grout at approximately 5:20 pm. at which time he informed her that was crying and not acting right. Dr. Grout then advised him to bring back to her of?ce. 5 phone records from Cox were preserved and impounded as evidence. Det. Paxson also obtained a court order for Dr. Grout?s personal cell phone: . The order was obtained from Scottsdale City Court on 2-10-14 and it was faxed to on 2-11-14. On 2-17-14 Det. Paxson received the requested records from She reviewed them and noted the following: On the evening of 3-13-13 at 5:20 m. and again at 5:31 two calls were forwarded from the ?5 main number: to Dr. Grout?s cell phone: . Based on the records received from Cox. it is believed those two calls were the calls Robert Maynard made to from Grace Daniel?s cell phone. In addition to those two incoming calls. there were also several outgoing phone calls made that evening from Dr. Grout? 5 cell phone. The outgoing phone calls included (2) calls to Debi Murphy at . Debi is a physician assistant at She is also Dr. John Murphy?s wife. The two calls made to her were made at 6: 14 m. (4 seconds) and 6: 15 n1. (7 seconds). At 6:15 m. there was also an outgoing phone call made to Dr. John Murphy?s cell phone: . That call lasted for 1 minute and 57 seconds. At 6:41 m. there was an outgoing call made to Dr. Grout? husband. Steven Swerdfeger 5 cell phone. . Based on infonnation Steven provided when he was interviewed. it is believed that call was made by Jen Katona. an LPN at Steven said Jen called him that evening and told him that was breathing slowly. they were concerned. and they were thinking about calling 911. The next outgoing phone call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone was made at 6:50 pm. to 911. Jen Katona made that call as well. The call was recorded by the Scottsdale Police Department and was later impounded as evidence. At 6:52 m. there was another outgoing call made to Steven Swerdfeger (27 seconds) and at 6:58 m. a call was made to Ray Purselley. the CEO of (0 seconds). At 6:59 pm. an incoming call was received from Ray Purselley?s cell phone: . The call lasted for 1 minute and 26 seconds. The next activity on Dr. Grout?s cell phone included (2) outgoing phone calls to Dr. John Murphy. The ?rst call was made at 7:22 pm. and it lasted for 7 minutes and 3 seconds. The second call was made immediately afterward at 7:31 m. and it lasted for 6 minutes and 8 seconds. The last outgoing call made from Dr. Grout? cell phone that night was to Jen Katona?s cell phone: . The call was made at 8:57 pm. and it lasted for 54 seconds. Dr. Grout? 5 cell phone records from were preserved and impounded as evidence. On 9-10-13 Det. Paxson received 5 autopsy report from the Maricopa County Office of the Medical Examiner. According to the report. cyanide was found in 5 cardiac blood. stomach. and large intestine. Dr. Kevin Hom. MD. ruled the Cause of Death to be Cyanide poisoning (reported amygdalin administration) in setting of metastatic retinoblastoma. Regarding the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. administration of amygdalin. Dr. Hom stated. "Although ostensibly the goal of providing this substance was an attempt to treat the child?s cancer. the lmfortunate result was a lack of standard medical care to a likely treatable condition and the provision of a toxic and ultimately fatal substance to the child. which caused her death." On 9-12-13 Det. Paxson met with Carol Davis. the Operations Manager for the Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. and Michael Tirmnons. a Financial Counselor for Phoenix Children?s Medical Group. and she interviewed them regarding their involvement with the Maynard family. During the interview. Det. Paxson learned the following: Dr. Sarah Fryberger had contacted Phoenix Children?s Hospital and had arranged for to be seen there on 3-4-13. The morning of 3-4-13. Marcia Soldavini. a social worker at PCH. Ms. Davis and Mr. Timmons contacted Robert Maynard by telephone (conference call) and spoke to him about his ?nancial situation and the details regarding the procedures was scheduled for. During that conversation. they explained to Robert that the procedures was scheduled for (spinal tap and bone marrow testing) may take up to three visits: one appointment for the initial consultation with the physician. one for the actual procedures. and one to review the results and formulate a treatment plan. Mr. also spoke to Robert about the ?nancial process and the paperwork he would need to complete to determine whether or not discounted medical services or charity could be provided since the family didn?t have insurance. Robert told Ms. Soldavini. Ms. Davis. and Mr. that he and his family were in Arizona for a wedding and that they would only be in town for "about a week". In addition. he said "I?m self-employed. I do odd jobs and I?ve never ?led taxes. so I have no ?nancial infomiation to give you." Robert told PCH he thought it may be best to return Maine and continue 5 medical treatment there. On 2-25-14 Detectives Paxson and Lockerby contacted Dr. Jolm Murphy at An Oasis of Healing in Mesa and conducted a follow-up interview with him regarding the phone calls he received from Dr. Grout on 3-13-13. During that interview. Dr. Murphy said he recalled receiving two phone calls from Dr. Grout that night. He said when Dr. Grout called him the ?rst time (6: 15 pm). she asked him if there was any way a person could become toxic from B17. Dr. Murphy said he told Dr. Grout that he didn?t believe so. He said Dr. Grout told him she had administered B17 to a child and now the child was vomiting. Regarding the dosage she had administered. Dr. Murphy said he thought Dr. Grout told him she had given the child 3 ccs. He said Dr. Grout didn?t tell him. though. that she gave the intravenous form of B1 7 to the child orally. He said had she told him that. he would have told her that was a mistake. Dr. Mluphy con?rmed 3 cc (1 gram) of B17 would have been approximately four times what he would have recommended for a child who weighed 24 lbs. When asked about whether or not he and Dr. Grout discussed taking the child to the ER. Dr. Murphy said he didn?t recall for sure. but he believed he told Dr. Grout not to allow an ER physician to treat the child for cyanide toxicity. He said conventional ER treatment for cyanide toxicity may have turned a non-toxic substance (amygdalin) into cyanide and killed the child. Dr. Murphy said he reconmiended intravenous glutathione to treat cyanide toxicity related to the administration of B17. He said kept glutathione on hand and so did the . When asked if he told Dr. Grout to treat the child with glutathione; Dr. Murphy said he did. but he wasn?t sure if that came up during their ?rst conversation or the second one. He said he thought it may have been during their second conversation. Dr. Murphy said Dr. Grout told him that the child was "limp. but not cyanotic" and he told her. "Well. the only thing I know that could be of value at this point would be glutathione." When asked why he thought Dr. Grout called him that night. Dr. Murphy said. "Because I?m the authority." He said he had more knowledge and experience in using B17 than Dr. Grout did. Dr. Murphy said he actually wrote a protocol for administering 317. He said he shared that protocol with Dr. Grout and she presented it to the Arizona Board of Homeopathic and Integrated Medicine in the fall of 201 1. To his knowledge. Dr. Murphy said the board reviewed his protocol and approved it. When asked if the protocol 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. addressed the proper dosage for children. speci?cally 18 month old children: Dr. Murphy said it didn?t. He said the protocol was "generic" and didn?t talk about ages or weights of patients. When asked if the protocol addressed whether or not to administer the injectable form of B17 orally: Dr. Murphy said it didn?t. He said he wasn?t aware of any literature that recommended that. Dr. Murphy con?rmed he had never administered the intravenous form of 1 7 orally to any patient. nor did he know of any other doctor who had. He said he wasn?t sure why Dr. Grout did that. When asked if Dr. Grout consulted with him prior to administering B17 to the child. Dr. Murphy said she didn?t. The follow up interview with Dr. John Murphy was digitally recorded. The recording was later impounded as evidence. During the interview with Dr. Murphy. he agreed to provide Det. Paxson with a copy of the protocol he wrote regarding the use of B17 to treat cancer. He said he would email it to Bet. Paxson. but he never did. On 2-27-14 Det. Paxson contacted Christine Springer. the Executive Director at the Arizona Board of Homeopathic and Integrated Medicine. and requested a copy of Dr. Murphy' 5 protocol. Ms. Springer searched ?les and also reviewed minute entries from the board?s meetings. but was lmable to locate any such protocol or any minute entry to indicate that Dr. Grout had actually presented the protocol to the board. On 3-14-14 Det. Paxson went to the Arriba Mexican restaurant located at 15236 N. Pima Rd. in Scottsdale. She met with the manager. Ben Haro. and told him she was investigating an incident involving a family that may have been in the restaurant on the evening of 3-13-13 and had to leave abruptly due to some sort of a problem with their child. When asked if he recalled an incident like that. Mr. Haro said he didn?t. but he wasn?t working at the restaurant on 3-13-13. either. He agreed to provide Det. Paxson with a list of the employees that were working that afternoon and evening. The list he gave to Det. Paxson included the names of ?ve employees. four of whom no longer worked at the restaurant. The one employee who was still employed there was identi?ed as James Freed. a server. Det. Paxson then met with James and brie?y explained the nature of the investigation to him. When she asked him if he recalled an incident like that occurring about a year ago. James said he didn?t. Det. Paxson then showed James pictures of Robert Maynard. Grace Daniel. and all of which were taken around March 2013. When Det. Paxson asked James if he recognized anyone in the pictures. he said he didn?t. The pictures were preserved and later impounded as evidence. As of 5-5-14. the other four Arriba employees have not yet been located or interviewed. During the investigation. Det. Paxson learned that Robert. Grace. and traveled to Arizona via Delta Airlines. On 11-21-13 Det. Paxson obtained a subpoena from the Maricopa County Superior Court. which requested all records related to the Maynard?s travel itinerary with Delta Airlines. The subpoena was served on Delta Airlines on 11-22-13. On 11-25-13 Det. Paxson received the requested records. She reviewed them and learned the following: Robert. Grace. and ?ew out of Boston. MA on 2-26-13 at 2:29 m. and arrived in Phoenix. AZ at 8:01 pm. that evening. Delta Airlines Con?rmation Their return ?ight was scheduled for 3-4-13. They were scheduled to ?y out of Phoenix that day at 1:59 a.m. and arrive back in Boston at 10:47 a m. that morning. However. on 3-4-13 Robert and Grace didn?t show up for their ?ight. On 3-14-13. which was the day after died. Robert and Grace contacted Delta Airlines and re-scheduled their return ?ight for 3-17-13. They ?ew out of Phoenix on 3-17-13 at 12:59 am. and arrived in Boston. MA at 7:05 am. that morning. The records obtained from Delta Airlines were preserved and later impounded as evidence. On 4-1-14 Det. Paxson interviewed Dr. Kris Samaddar over the telephone. The following is a summary of the information he provided: 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Dr. Samaddar recalled treating in the ER on 3-13-13. He said he was assigned to the critical area of the ER that night. meaning he handled cases like 5. where the patient arrived in severe distress. Dr. Samaddar said he recalled receiving a call from the EMTs that they were enroute with a "Code" patient. He didn?t recall what other information he was given at the time. nor did he recall whether he knew the patient was a child until she arrived in the ER. Dr. Samaddar said was in severe distress when she arrived and had been for quite some time. He said the ER staff took over CPR and administered various treatments in an attempt to revive her. however. she didn?t respond to anything they gave her. Due to 5 age. Dr. Samaddar said the ER staff continued to work her and tried to revive her for over thirty minutes before she was pronounced dead. Dr. Samaddar said he met with 5 parents and a homeopathic doctor. who was with them that night in the ER. During that meeting. he said the homeopathic doctor. whom he described as being a shorter. somewhat heavy-set female. approximately 50 -60 years old. told him that was given amygdalin or Laetrile (he couldn?t recall which name the doctor used). Dr. Samaddar said in the ten years he had been practicing medicine. he had never heard of amygdalin or Laetrile. Later. after the incident with was over. he contacted a doctor who had been practicing medicine since 1987 and he asked him about Laetrile. Dr. Samaddar said that doctor told him the substance was popular years ago and was believed to kill cancer cells. However. since then. there had been cases involving people who used it and then died from cyanide toxicity. When asked whether or not the homeopathic doctor (Dr. Grout) ever told him that was possibly suffering from cyanide toxicity. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t recall. nor did he recall exactly when he ?rst learned about cyanide toxicity as it related to the administration of Laetrile. However. he said he did recall that when ?rst learned about it. was already gone and there was nothing that could have been done at that point to save her. Dr. Samaddar confmned the ER at Scottsdale Healthcare has access to "kits" to treat cyanide poisoning. He said they have to be ordered from the pharmacy. but they are available for emergency cases in the ER. Dr. Samaddar said there was no way to determine or guarantee that would have responded to the treatment in the kit. but. he said had she been brought into the ER at the ?rst sign of distress and had he been told that she was given amygdalin and that one of the possible complications related to the administration of amygdalin. especially when given in large doses by mouth. was cyanide toxicity. he would have ordered a kit and used it to treat Det. Paxson explained to Dr. Samaddar what Dr. Jolm Mluphy had told her regarding the typical ER treatment for cyanide poisoning and how had been given that treatment. it would have only made her condition worse. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t know anything about that. He then added that wasn?t breathing and her heart had stopped. Dr. Samaddar said he couldn?t think of any situation that was worse than that. When asked if the homeopathic doctor (Dr. Grout) told him who actually gave the dose of amygdalin. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t recall if she speci?ed exactly who gave it to her or not. Dr. Samaddar said based on his conversation with the doctor. though. it was his understanding that she. the homeopathic doctor. gave it to When asked about his interaction with 5 parents. Dr. Samaddar said he recalled they were young. He said their reaction to 5 death was similar to that of other parents who lose a child in the ER. very sad. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON. In summary. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel were in Maricopa County. in Arizona on or around 2-26-13 through 3-16-13. They were infomled and were well aware of how serious their daughter. 5. condition was both prior to arriving in Arizona and during the time they were here up until her death on 3-13-13. They had been advised and were urged to have her tumor staged in order to determine the type of treatment she would require. yet they chose to disregard that advice. Three doctors. Dr. Lavin in Waterville. NIB: Dr. Fryberger in Bangor. ME: and Dr. Grabowski in Boston. MA. contacted Robert Maynard by telephone multiple times while he was in Arizona and urged him to either return to Maine or have the procedure performed in Arizona. On 2-28-13. while Robert and Grace were in Arizona. Dr. Lavin faxed Robert a letter which said in part. has advanced retinoblastoma." "Time is of the essence." needs to be staged at this time. This will entail a lumbar puncture also known as a spinal tap to analyze the spinal ?uid as well as a bone marrow examination to see if the cancer has spread even further." "Please. please. please. contact me or Dr. Fryberger at Easter Maine Medical Center." "Dr. Fryberger will see the day you arrive in Portland." Dr. Christopher Maloney sent Robert an email that same day and told him he. too. recommended receive a spinal tap as soon as possible to determine what type of treatment she would need. When Robert didn?t return to Maine. Dr. Fryberger contacted Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital and arranged for to be seen there on 3-4-13. However. Robert and Grace did not follow through with that appointment and never saw a doctor there. Instead. they took her to see Dr. Martha Grout at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine. who treated her twice between 3-7-13 and 3-1 3 -1 3. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel were well infomled on the conventional means for treating cancer. but chose to seek alternative treatment for their daughter. In a blog Grace posted on 2-23-13 she wrote. "Right before surgery. Dr. Mukai said from his examination of the MRI images. it appeared there was some growth behind the eye. After performing the surgery. he still thinks some tumor might be back there that he could not reach. He and Dr. Grabowski want to do chemo and radiation as soon as possible. This really upsets our quick "happily ever after" scenario. We do NOT want to do standard chemo and radiation treatment. We?ve discovered a new treatment of low dose chemo that follows a dose of insulin. which basically only targets the tumor cells and has virtually no side effects. I don?t know what it would take for us to receive this treatment. We?re sorta stuck trying to ?gure out what to do next and searching for alternative treatments." Based on what Grace wrote in that blog: the information that Joy Walker provided during her interview regarding how Grace and Robert researched everything. including Dr. Grout before they took to see her: and based on what Robert wrote in an email tc on 2-26-13 regarding 110w they didn?t want to subject to full blown chemo and instead. wanted to "employ integrative therapies (Alternative. complementary. perhaps IPT lowdose chemo. Intravenous Laetrile or Vitamin C. Hyperthermia. Oxdative therapies. DMSO. etc.)" it is believed that Robert and Grace conducted research on various alternative treatments. including Laetrile. and were well informed when they told Dr. Grout that they wanted to try amygdalin 011 3-13-13. Dr. Martha Grout. MD. has over twenty-two years of emergency room experience. She was provided with surgical records ?om Boston and per her own notes. was aware that there was a "high likelihood of metastatic disease given that the tumor had already invaded the optic nerve". On the afternoon of 3-13-13. between approximately 3:45 m. and 4:30 Dr. Grout orally administered 3 cc (1 g) of the intravenous liquid form of amygdalin (Bl7/ Laetrile) to According to Dr. Jonathan Murphy. not only was that dose approximately four times what should have received for her age and size: it was not common practice to administer the liquid form of amygdalin (B17 Laetrile) orally. Dr. Murphy said he had never done that. nor 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 29 Date Added: 05/05/2014 16:36:48 Added By: (600) prsoN. was he aware of any other doctor that had. Dr. Grout was well aware of the possible complications associated with the administration of amygdalin (B17 Laetrile). including possible cyanide toxicity. yet upon receiving the phone call ?rom Robert Maynard at 5:20 m. that night and learning that something was wrong with she advised Robert and Grace to bring back to her clinic rather than take her to an ER or call 9-1-1. In addition. based on phone records and witness statements. it is believed Robert and Grace arrived back at around 5:31 pm. that evening. Peter Geare was present when the Maynards arrived back there. He said appeared to be in "distress" and that Dr. Grout met them in the parking lot. However. 9-1-1 wasn?t called until 6:50 after stopped breathing. which was approximately 80 minutes after the Maynards arrived back at Based on a totality of the investigation. this case will be submitted to the Maricopa County Attomey?s Of?ce for review regarding criminal charges. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 29 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Came Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera v. . 9 Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/1312013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 On Thursday March 14. 2013 at approximately 12:16 a m. I was at home when I received a phone call from Det. Sgt. G. Thornton #769 regarding the death of an 18-month old baby. Sgt. Thornton told me the baby. and her parents were from Maine. He said had a history of retinal cancer and earlier that day Wednesday March 13. 2013) her parents took her to see Dr. Martha Grout at the . which was located at . in Scottsdale. During that appointment. Dr. Grout gave an oral dose of a substance called "Laetrile". and her parents then left Dr. Grout?s of?ce. A short while later. 5 parents noticed she wasn?t "acting right". They then took her back to Dr. Grout?s of?ce. which was where was when she stopped breathing. Paramedics were contacted and responded. They then transported to Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. However. she never regained consciousness and she was pronounced dead at 7:56 pm. Sgt. Thornton said when the hospital contacted the Maricopa Cormty Of?ce of the Medical Examiner about 5 death: the OMIE advised them that the police department would also need to be noti?ed and respond to investigate the incident. At approximately 11:24 1n. JACKIE STOCKTON. an RN at Scottsdale Healthcare. contacted the Scottsdale Police Department to report 5 death. Of?cer C. McCann #1273 was then dispatched and responded to SHC. Upon his arrival. he met with Jackie Stockton and she briefed him on the incident. See Ofc. McCann?s supplement for further. It should be noted. 5 parents and Dr. Grout had already left the hospital. As a result. Ofc. Mch1 was unable to speak to them about the incident. Sgt. Thornton requested I contact Jackie Stockton at SHC and the Maricopa County OME. He told me he would send Det. M. Leal #771 to the hospital to view and document the body. See Det. Leal?s supplement for further. I then contacted Jackie Stockton. RN. by telephone and learned the following: and her parents. later identi?ed as. ROBERT MAYNARD and GRACE DANIEL. were from Maine. had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma (cancer in her right eye). which required surgery. After the surgery. the family left Maine and traveled to Arizona for a wedding. While in Arizona. the family sought homeopathic treatment for with Dr. MARTHA M. GROUT. MD. at the in Scottsdale. which was where was when she stopped breathing that evening. 5 parents. Robert and Grace. along with Dr. Martha Grout. accompanied to the ER that night. Jackie spoke to both Robert Maynard and Dr. Martha Grout. In doing so. she learned the following: On 3-13-13 at approximately 3: 15 m. (it was later detemiined to be around 3:45 m. based on 5 medical records) Robert and Grace took to see Dr. Grout at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine in Scottsdale. During that appointment. Dr. Grout administered 3 cc (1 g) of Laetrile to The substance she gave to was the liquid. intravenous form of Laetrile. but she administered it to by mouth. not intravenously. After the appointment. the Maynard family left Dr. Grout?s office. At approximately 5:15 pm. Robert Maynard contacted Dr. Grout by telephone and advised her that stomach was bloated and she was experiencing shortness of breath. Dr. Grout advised Robert to bring back to her of?ce. which he and Grace then did. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera v. . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/1312013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdalc.AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. A short while later. the Maynard family arrived back at Dr. Grout?s of?ce and Dr. Grout noted appeared "?oppy". According to Dr. Grout. 5 heart rate was normal when she arrived. but her respirations were slow. later stopped breathing and Dr. Grout initiated CPR. Paramedics were contacted at 6:51 m. and they arrived on scene at approximately 6:54 pm. Dr. Grout estimated she performed CPR on for approximately ten minutes before the paramedics arrived. When the paramedics arrived. they noted that was pulseless and apnec. They took over CPR and transported to Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. never regained consciousness and was pronounced dead at 7:56 pm. by Dr. Kris Samaddar. I con?rmed that Dr. Grout had administered the intravenous form of Laetrile to orally and then I asked Jackie if that was common practice. Jackie said it wasn?t common. but it wasn?t strange. either. She said the intravenous form of some drugs could be administered orally. She said she wasn?t familiar with Laetrile. though. Jackie said Dr. Grout and father. Robert Maynard. provided all of the information about and what happened that day. She said 5 mother was too upset to talk. Jackie said Robert provided her with the following cell phone munber as a contact number for the family: . She said Robert told her that he and Grace were staying with their brother-in-law. James Walker. and his family at . Jackie said James Walker?s cell phone number was I then contacted Investigator Joel Ramirez at the Maricopa County Of?ce of the Medical Examiner. He told me he had already contacted father. Robert Maynard. by telephone and had spoken to him about the incident. During his conversation with Robert. Investigator Ramirez said he learned the following: had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma. She underwent surgery and her right was removed. Robert told Ramirez it did not appear that the cancer had spread to 5 brain. 5 left was examined and was also found to be clear of cancer. After 5 surgery. Robert obtained permission from doctor for her to travel. He. Grace. and then ?ew to Arizona for a wedding. While they were in Arizona. they received a phone call from doctor in Maine regarding her need for further treatment. Robert and Grace then took to see Dr. Martha Grout at the in Scottsdale. which was where they were earlier that afternoon. Robert con?rmed what Jackie Stockton had said regarding how Dr. Grout had administered a substance called Laetrile to and then after they left Dr. Grout?s of?ce. he and Grace noticed wasn?t acting right. He told Ramirez they then took back to Dr. Grout? 5 of?ce and that is where she was when she stopped breathing. Robert said he believed 5 condition was treatable and he expected her to fully recover after her recent surgery. He told Ramirez he wasn?t sure what caused her death. Robert provided Ramirez with the name and contact information of doctor in Maine. The name he provided was Dr. C. William Lavin in Waterville. ME. Telephone: Ramirez said he had already placed a call to Dr. Lavin in Maine and was waiting to hear back from him. He con?rmed the OMB would be investigating 5 death. He provided me with their case number: 13-1905. Ramirez told me the autopsy would take place on either Saturday 3-16-13 or Monday 3-18-13 and he asked me if I wanted to attend it. I told him I did. Ramirez advised someone from the OMB would contact me with the exact date and time once the autopsy was scheduled. I then contacted Det. Leal. who was at the hospital examining the body. He told me. aside from the recent surgery removal of 3 right eye. there were no other visible signs of injury or trauma to 5 body. See Det. Leal's supplement for further. At that point. it was approximately 2:30 a.m. Considering it was late. the tramnatic events that had occurred earlier that evening. and since Investigator Ramirez had already contacted Robert and had spoken to him over the phone about the incident. I decided not to contact Robert and Grace at that time. I contacted Det. Sgt. G. Thornton and he agreed with my decision. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON. The following day. Det. Leal contacted me in the of?ce and gave me copies of 5 medical records. which he obtained from the hospital the night before. The records he gave me included a "Patient Care Report" from the Scottsdale Fire Department: the EMS run sheet from PMT Ambulance: and the emergency room records from Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. Included in the ER records from SHC was a photo copy of Dr. Martha Grout?s business card. Copies of the records are attached to this report. I reviewed the records and con?rmed the following timeline for the incident on 3-13-13: 6:51 :54 111.: Scottsdale Fire dispatched E609 to . in Scottsdale The crew on E609 included: Christopher Caswell #57471. Lee Davis #33994. Paul Downing #55121. and Paramedic Joseph Jesatko #74311 6:52:11 m.:Scottsdale Fire E609 was enroute 6:52:35 pm: PMT Ambulance received the call for service 6:52:41 Ambulance 610 was dispatched to . in Scottsdale The driver of the ambulance was Jesus Perez-Ortiz. The attendant was Jacob Smith. 6:52:59 Ambulance 610 was enroute 6:54: 19 m.:Scottsdale Fire E609 arrived at the 6:55:00 m.:Scottsdale Fire E609 crew was with Upon their arrival. they noted was pulseless and apnec. CPR was in progress. PMT Ambulance 610 arrived on scene. was given various treatments in an attempt to revive her (see the records for the exact medications and doses given). She was unresponsive to the treatments. 7:08:00 m.:Scottsdale Fire E609 and PMT Ambulance 610 departed the scene enroute to Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. SFD Paramedic Joseph esatko accompanied in the ambulance to the hospital. He noted no change in her status during transport. 7: 15:00 p.n1.:Scottsdale Fire arrived at 7:16 was triaged and the ER staff took over all attempts to revive her 7:56 was pronounced dead by Dr. Kris Samaddar On 3-14-13 I researched Laetrile on the intemet. In doing so. I learned Laetrile (a k.a. amygdalin or Vitamin B17) was an alternative treatment for cancer and one of the possible side effects was cyanide poisoning. According to the American Cancer Society. available scienti?c evidence does not support claims that Laetrile amygdalin. B17. and! or amygdalina-B17) is e?ectiV'e in treating cancer or any other disease. Both contain a small amomlt of a substance that can be converted to cyanide in the body and several cases of cyanide poisoning have been linked to the use of Laetrile. The US. Food and Drug Administration 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. a: DA) has not approved Laetrile as a medical treatment in the United States and Laetrile treatment should be avoided by children. and by women who are pregnant or breast-feeding. According to eHow Health. amygdalin. commonly called Laetrile. is an altemative cancer treatment that is made from the pits of apricots and other fruits. The drug is administered by intravenous injection or by pill. Amygdalin is not approved by the FDA and its use and sale is banned in the United States. According to the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. amygdalin is not effective in treating cancer and even has negative side effects in some patients and could even result in death by cyanide poisoning. I later learned that although banned in several states. there is a statute in Arizona. which makes it legal to manufacture. sell. offer or hold for sale. or give away Laetrile. See A.R.S. 32-1962. I then contacted Investigator Ramirez by telephone to discuss the administration of Laetrile to and how that may have contributed to her death. Ramirez told rue he wasn?t familiar with the substance. either. so he. too. had researched it. He said based on the information he had gathered up to that point. it was possible 5 death was related to her receiving Laetrile earlier that aftemoon. However. he said the OMB wouldn?t know for sure mitil the autopsy was completed and the toxicology results were back. During that conversation. Ramirez told me he had spoken to Dr. Lavin. doctor in Maine. and he had learned the following: Dr. Lavin con?rmed what Robert Maynard had said regarding how had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma and that she underwent surgery 011 2-22-13. at which time her right was removed. However. during the surgery. it was discovered that the tumor had spread and needed further testing in order to stage the tumor. Staging of the tmnor would determine the level of chemotherapy she needed. Prior to having the tumor staged. the Maynards left Maine and traveled to Arizona for a wedding. Despite several conversations and phone calls to the Maynards regarding the importance of having the tumor staged. the Maynards had. up to that point. refused to do so and instead. insisted on a holistic approach. including prayer and vitamin therapy for As a result of their unwillingness to cooperate and participate in the treatment. which was recommended for their daughter. doctors in Maine had ?led medical neglect charges against the Maynards with Maine?s Department of Human Services. Dr. Latin advised Investigator Ramirez that those charges were currently pending. Based 011 the information Investigator Ramirez had obtained from Dr. Lavin. I decided to delay contact with Robert and Grace until I had more information. On Friday 3-15-13 I received a phone call from the Maricopa Cormty OME. They advised autopsy had been moved up and that it would be conducted at 10:30 a m. that moming. I then left my of?ce and went to the Maricopa County Of?ce of the Medical Examiner in Phoenix. which was where the autopsy was conducted. Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 also responded and was present during the autopsy. Dr. Kexdn Horn performed the autopsy on 5 body. I observed the autopsy and afterward I met with Dr. Horn. He told me didn?t observe anything during the autopsy that could have caused the sudden onset of experienced prior to her death. Dr. Hom advised he had collected various tissue and blood samples and that those samples would be submitted to a lab for testing. He told me the cause of 5 death would not be determined until the toxicology results retru?ned. Dr. Horn then gave me four items. which included: a blood blot from an ocular implant and lens cover. both of which were collected from 5 right socket: and a pair of tan skorts. which was wearing when she arrived in the ER at SHC. I took custody of all the items and later impounded them as evidence. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0113011,, Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsou, I then spoke brie?y to Dr. Horn about Laetrile. the substance Dr. Grout had administered to prior to her death on 3-13-13. During that conversation. Dr. Horn con?rmed the information I had found on the internet. He told me Laetrile was popular in the late 1970?s - early 1980?s and at that time. was thought to be a miracle drug for treating cancer. Since then. however. doctors had linked Laetrile to cyanide toxicity and death. especially when taken by mouth. which was how it was administered to He told me he wouldn?t know if died from cyanide toxicity until he received the toxicology results back ?om the lab. Dr. Horn also provided me with a copy of a letter that Dr. Lavin. doctor in Maine. had written and faxed to Investigator Ramirez. In Dr. Lavin?s letter. which was dated March 14. 2013. he smnmarized his interaction with and her parents. particularly the Maynards refusal to follow through with the recommended tests and treatment for Toward the end of his letter to Investigator Ramirez. Dr. Lavin wrote. look forward to discussing this case with you. I believe it reaches the level of medical neglect to a high degree involving a very well-informed family on the conventional means of treating cancer but who preferred nonconventional and unproven treatment combined with prayer. There is no question in my mind that this child would be alive today if she had been brought to a doctor sooner when the tumor was noted and had not spread. Medical literature states these cancers are 95% curable if treated early." In closing. Dr. Lavin wrote. "To neglect this case would reach the level of a criminal act." In addition to writing a letter. Dr. Lavin also provided Investigator Ramirez with several other documents. which included the following: a letter from Dr. C. William Lavin in Waterville. Maine to Dr. Shizuo Mukai in Boston. Massachusetts dated 2-11-13 in which Dr. Lavin referred to Dr. Mukai for a consultation: an Operative Report and Pathology Report from Massachusetts and Ear Infmnary in Boston. which documented the surgery Dr. Shizuo Mukai performed on on 2-22-13: a letter from Dr. Lavin to Robert Maynard dated 2-28-13 in which Dr. Lavin urged Robert to contact Dr. Sarah Fryberger at Eastern Maine Medical Center to have tumor staged immediately: a letter from Dr. Lavin to Dr. Francis Eslnm at Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital dated 3-1-13 in which Dr. Lavin briefed Dr. Eshun on 5 condition in preparation for her appointment with Dr. Pooja Hingorani at PCH on 3-4-13: a letter from Dr. Sarah Fryberger at Eastern Main Medical Center to Dr. Francis Eshun at PCH dated 3-1-13 in which Dr. Fryberger also briefed Dr. Eshun on 5 condition. the need to irmnediately stage her tumor. and the fact that both she and Dr. Eric Grabowski had referred 5 parents to the Maine Department of Health Services for medical neglect. I took the copy of Dr. Lavin? 5 letter. along with the copies of all the other documents he provided to Investigator Ramirez. reviewed them. and later impounded them as evidence. Copies of the items are also attached to this report. See Dr. Lavin?s letter for further regardng the speci?c information he provided. While at the OMB that day. I learned that Robert Maynard had contacted the OMB earlier that morning and requested that an autopsy not be conducted on 5 body. He was advised that due to the circumstances surrounding her death. an autopsy would be conducted. During that conversation. Robert provided the OMB with his wife? 5 name. Grace. He told the OMB that he and Grace wanted to return 5 body to Maine and they planned to leave Arizona that weekend. Robert? father. Todd Maynard. also contacted the OMB and provided his name and phone number as a contact for the family. The cell phone number he provided was: . Todd advised the OMB that the funeral home the family had chosen was the Best Funeral Home in Peoria. Telephone: I spoke to the staff at the OMB that day and learned that and her parents. Robert and Grace. had only been verbally identi?ed over the telephone. No one had formally identi?ed the Maynards or con?rmed 5 identity. yet. As a result. I advised the OMB to place a "hold" on 5 body until I was able to formally identify her and her parents. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Based 011 information obtained from Dr. Lavin regarding 110w Robert and Grace had refused to follow through with recommended tests and treatment for even after they were advised that her life depended on those tests and receiving the appropriate treatment in a timely manner. I believed 5 death may be related to neglect. I also believed. based on Robert and Grace? 5 past behavior their refusal to sign paperwork or register at Dr. Lavin? 5 of?ce. their refusal to provide identifying infomiation to Phoenix Children' Hospital. and the fact that Robert did not want an autopsy conducted to ?nd out the cause of his daughter? 5 death) the possibility existed that they would not cooperate with the Scottsdale Police Department?s investigation. Furthermore. since neither Robert. nor Grace resided in Arizona. and they planned to return to Maine within the next couple of days. I believed it may be dif?cult to locate them in the future if they were never properly identi?ed before they left the state. Based on those beliefs. prior to contacting Robert and Grace. I decided to obtain court orders to detain them. if need be. in order to collect identifying physical characteristics from them. Upon returning to the of?ce later that afternoon. Det. Lockerby and I attempted to con?rm Robert and Grace? 5 identity based on the information we had at that point in the investigation. We accessed various investigative databases on the intemet and tentatively identi?ed them as Robert Maynard. DOB: and Grace Maynard. DOB: . I then asked Det. Heinzehnan to assist me by con?rming that information with local law enforcement in Maine. In doing so. he learned there was a Robert Maynard with that date of birth who lived in but he was unable to ?nd any record for Grace Maynard. Furthermore. the address listed on the driver? 5 license for the Robert Maynard in was a PO. Box. No physical address was available. See Det. Heinzelman?s supplement for further. On the evening of 3-15-13 I obtained two court orders for Obtaining Evidence of Identifying Characteristics from Robert and Grace Maynard SW2013-002453 and SW2013-002454) from the Honorable Ken Skiff of the Maricopa County Superior Comt. The orders allowed me to detain Robert and Grace in order to collect buccal swabs. major case fmgerprints. and identifying photographs. Copies of the orders are attached to this report. Upon obtaining the orders. I attempted to contact Robert Maynard by telephone at the number he provided to hospital staff the night of 5 death: . My ?rst call to Robert was made at approximately 8:30 m. that evening. Robert didn?t answer and I left a message for him requesting he return my call. At approximately 9:00 m. I tried to call him again. Robert didn?t answer that call. either. so I left another message for him requesting he return my call. I tried to reach Robert again at approximately 9:05 p.m. He didn?t answer and I didn?t leave a message that time. My attempts to reach Robert were digitally recorded (audio). The recordings were later burned onto a CD and impounded as evidence. Transcripts from the ?rst two attempted phone calls. including the messages I left for Robert. are attached to this report. When I was unsuccessful in reaching Robert by phone. I requested Det. Heinzelman and Det. Cristiani?s assistance in attempting to contact him in person. They then went to the Walker residence in Gilbert. which was where Robert had told the hospital staff he was staying the night of 5 death. It should be noted. the address Robert provided for the Walkers. n1 Gilbert. was actually a mailing address. not a physical address. The Walkers? actual physical address in Gilbert. was determined by accessing various investigative databases. The address on was where Detectives Heinzehnan and Cristiani attempted to contact Robert. When Detectives Heinzelman and Cristiani attempted to contact Robert and Grace at the Walkers' residence. they spoke to Bruce Walker. James Walker?s father. and they learned that James actually resided with his wife. Joy. who was Grace? 5 sister. James and Joy lived in Phoenix and according to Bruce. Robert and Grace were staying with them. Bruce con?rmed Robert and Grace planned to return to Maine on Sunday 3-17-13. Bruce provided Det. Heinzelman with Robert?s cell phone number. which was the same number we already had for him. See Det. Heinzelman?s supplement for further. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON, 1 At approximately 10:00 pm. I called James on his cell phone: . James con?rmed Robert and Grace were staying with him and his wife in North Phoenix. However. he said Robert and Grace were out to dinner and he was not with them at the time. James said Robert?s cell phone "died" a couple of hours prior. When I asked James for his address. he told me he was concerned about giving that out over the phone. I then provided James with the non-emergency to the Scottsdale Police Department and gave him instructions on how to call back and verify my identity. He agreed to do so and that ended the phone call. James called me back a short while later and provided me with his address. which he said was in Phoenix. During that phone conversation. James con?rmed Robert and Grace were plarming to return to Maine. He said he and his wife were going to go back with them and attend the burial services for I provided James with my name and phone number. He agreed to give the information to Robert as soon as he saw him. Both of my phone conversations with James were digitally recorded (audio). The recordings were later burned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. Transcripts from both calls are attached to this report. Shortly after I ?nished speaking to James. I received a phone call from Robert Maynard. My phone conversation with Robert was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. Transcripts from my phone conversation with Robert are attached to this report. During that phone conversation with Robert I explained to him that I was investigating 5 death and that I wanted to set up a time to speak to him and Grace before they left Arizona. Robert was apprehensive and he told me he didn?t understand why the police were involved unless there was a problem. I explained to him that the Scottsdale Police Department was involved in every death that occurred in the City of Scottsdale that involved the OMB and that it was common practice to interview the people that were present at the time of the incident to determine what happened. I explained to Robert that the reason I didn?t contact him the night of the incident was because by the time I had received all the information. it was too late to call him. I told Robert I attended the autopsy earlier that day and afterward I spoke to the doctor. I explained to him that I had some concerns and questions for him and I wanted to meet with him before he left Arizona. Robert then asked me if there was any way he could just deal with the police in Maine after the funeral. When I told him that wasn?t an option. he agreed to meet with me. As we were arranging a time to meet. Robert asked me if he needed to bring a lawyer with him when he met with me. I explained to him that I was unable to give him legal advice. However. I advised him that I would be asking him questions about the incident. I told him I was still investigating the incident and I wasn?t sure what would happen in the end. I advised him he was not under arrest. nor did I plan to arrest him when I met with him. Robert told me he understood. He then asked me ifI knew the results of the autopsy. He told me he hadn?t heard anything and he was waiting for the body to be released. I explained to him I had placed a hold on the body because I hadn?t formally identi?ed him. Grace. or yet. I told Robert that was one of the things I planned to do when I met with him in person. Robert told me he luiderstood. He told me he and Grace would meet with me the next day (Saturday 3-16-13) at 2:00 pm. at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. On 3-16-13 at approximately 1:06 pm. I received a phone message from Attorney Chad Shell. who stated he represented Robert Maynard and that Robert and Grace would not be coming in to meet with me that afternoon. I called Mr. Shell and spoke to him about the situation. During that phone conversation. Mr. Shell told me Robert and Grace were very distraught over the death of their daughter. He said they had already arranged for the funeral to take place back in Maine on Tuesday 3-19-13. Mr. Shell said Robert and Grace wanted to return to Maine. attend the services with their family. and then return to Arizona. if need be. for the investigation. I explained to Mr. Shell that wasn?t an option because I had yet to formally identify any of them. including He acknowledged my concern and then he told me. "Well. you know - that?s the. and I don?t have any problem cooperating there. Our only concern is - is that. um. you?re investigating them for causing the death of a child." I explained to Mr. Shell that I was investigating the death of a child and at that point in time. I didn?t know if anyone was responsible for her death or not. but it was my responsibility to investigate the incident to determine whether or not a crime had been committed. I fluther explained to him that I 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. had already promised Robert he would not be placed under arrest when I met with him. Mr. Shell told me he understood. He then asked me. guess. in deciding to advise my client. is it possible for you to tell me whether there are signs of trauma or is it signs of neglect?" I told him there were no signs of trauma and that it was more of a neglect case. I brie?y explained the timeline of events that occurred on 3-13-13 with Dr. Grout. Mr. Shell then asked me again if it would be possible for Robert and Grace to return to Maine and then come back out at a later date with all their documentation regarding 5 treatments. He said. "We could sit down as a group. answer your questions and go through the documentation with you." I explained to him. again. that I didn?t feel comfortable with them leaving the state before I had identi?ed them. I then advised him I had obtained two court orders to detain Robert and Grace in order to collect identifying characteristics from them and my plan was to locate them and serve those orders on them before they left Arizona. Upon learning about the court orders. Mr. Shell said. "My advice to them has changed since talking to you." He said he would advise Robert to comply with the court order. but he would also advise him not to provide a statement. Mr. Shell said he would contact Robert and then call me back. A short while later. I received a phone call from Mr. Shell. He advised Robert and Grace were on their way to the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. Both of my phone conversations with Mr. Shell were digitally recorded (audio). The recordings were later burned onto a CD. which was impounded as evidence. Transcripts from both phone calls with Mr. Shell are attached to this report. Robert and Grace arrived at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center on 3-16-13 at approximately 3:10 pm. Grace?s sister. Joy Walker (Daniel). accompanied them. Upon their arrival. I met them in the front lobby and brie?y introduced myself to them. I then escorted Robert to Interview Room #1 and Grace to Interview Room Meanwhile. Joy waited in the front lobby. Detectives Lockerby and Heinzehnan then assisted me with serving the Physical Evidence orders and collecting the physical characteristics from Robert and Grace. Det. Lockerby served one of the orders on Grace (SW2013-002454) while I met with Robert and served the other one on him (SW2013-002453). Det. Lockerby collected a buccal swab from Grace and then he ?ngerprinted her. I collected a buccal swab from Robert and then Det. Lockerby ?ngerprinted him. Det. Heinzelman assisted by photographing both subjects as well as photographing their driver?s licenses. He also monitored our contact with Robert and Grace from a separate room and was in charge of the recording equipment. The buccal swabs. ?ngerprints. and photographs collected from Robert and Grace were all later impormded as evidence. Our contact with Robert and Grace that day was digitally recorded. Det. Lockerby? 3 contact with Grace was video and audio recorded. However. due to equipment failure. my contact with Robert was only audio recorded. Det. Lockerby? 5 contact with Grace was burned on to a DVD. My contact with Robert was burned onto a CD. Both items were later impounded as evidence. Transcripts from both Det. Lockerby? 5 contact with Grace and my contact with Robert are attached to this report. During my contact with Robert that day. which lasted for approximately 26 minutes. I identi?ed him by his Maine driver?s license as Robert J. Maynard. DOB: . When I asked Robert for his social security number. he told me he didn?t have it memorized and was unable to provide it. Robert told me 5 full name was Maynard and her date of birth was . He said was born at home in Parkman. ME. When I asked Robert if had a birth certi?cate. he told me she did. He said he didn?t have a copy of it with him. but he offered to have his attorney. Mr. Shell. fax it to me. I explained to Robert that it was my lmderstanding that he wanted to return to Maine. attend the services for and then return to Arizona with all of his documentation and provide a statement at that time. I further explained. however. if there was anything he wanted me to know or talk about. now. before he left Arizona. I was there to listen. Robert told me. I just wanna know about the autopsy and what info has been found about that." He later told me that he didn?t know why died and he thought the autopsy was supposed to have determined that. I explained to Robert that the cause of 5 death wasn?t apparent and that we would need to wait for the toxicology results to retrun before we knew for sure what caused her death. I further explained that since he was with ill the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. hours preceding her death. he probably had more information about what happened than I did. When I asked him again if there was anything he wanted me to know before he left for Maine. Robert said. "Nope. I guess I would like a card." I provided him with my business card. which included my direct telephone line. and told him he could call me at any time. Robert con?rmed he and Grace planned to return to Maine the next day (Slulday 3-17-13). When I asked him when they planned to return to Arizona. he told me that depended 011 what needed to be done. He said no formal plans to return had been made. yet. Robert con?rmed his cell phone number: and he provided me with his physical address: . See the transcripts for further regarding my contact with Robert that day. During his contact with Grace. Det. Lockerby identi?ed her by her driver?s license as Grace Lucille Daniel. . Det. Lockerby learned that Grace and Robert were not legally married. However. they considered themselves to be husband and wife and she used both "Daniel" and "Maynard" as her last name. See Det. Lockerby?s supplement and the transcripts for further regarding his contact with Grace that day. After I ?nished meeting with Robert. I met with Joy Walker (Daniel). Grace?s sister. and interviewed her. My interview with Joy took place inside Interview Room It began at approximately 3 :40 p.m. and it lasted for approximately 28 minutes. My interview with Joy was digitally recorded (audio and video). The recording was later burned onto a DVD and impounded as evidence. A summary of the information Joy provided during my interview with her. along with transcripts from the interview. are attached to this report. Dining my interview with Joy. she told me she and Grace had very separate lives. She said they rarely saw each other and they didn?t speak to each other over the phone much. either. Joy said everything she knew about 5 condition and the treatment that Robert and Grace sought for her she learned about on Grace? 5 blog: "gracieworks". After Robert. Grace. and Joy left the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. I researched Grace's blog. "gracieworks". and found it at The name of her blog was. "Grace 011 Purpose". Detectives Heinzelman and Lockerby then assisted me by reviewing Grace?s blog. In doing so. we located several blogs about including one dated 3-15-13 titled. "Saying goodbye to our little In that blog. Grace wrote. in part. about how passed away 011 Wednesday evening (3-13-13). She wrote. "One minute she was happy and the next she was getting fussy and tired. About ten minutes later she went into a coma-like state and was not responding. Her breathing maintained for a while. but then the time between breaths lengthened. I think by the time the ambulance came she was gone." Grace wrote about 110w she and Robert had a "strong sense of peace" about the situation and that they had been preparing for it. She wrote. "Her passing didn?t come as a complete shock. which makes it a little easier to bear." Also posted on Grace?s blog was a link to her Twitter account: . Det. Heinzelman and I then accessed that and located several "tweets" related to her condition. her treatments. and the Maynard? trip to Arizona. The following are some of the tweets we located on Grace?s Twitter account: "Heading out! Sunny Arizona. here we come! dated 2-26-warm and bright! And is trying to hijack my status with her little ?ngers. Everyone seems tired except dated 2-28-13 at 11:51 a n1. Based on those two tweets and based on the information Joy Walker provided during her interview regarding how the Maynards attended her wedding on 3-2-13. I determined Robert. Grace. and arrived in Arizona on or around 2-26-13 and that between 2-26-13 and 3-13-13. which was the day died. they stayed with family in Gilbert and Phoenix in Maricopa County. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Supplement Page: 10 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J Shortly after we accessed Grace`s blog and Twitter account that afternoon, both sites were set to private and we were denied any further access to them. However, prior to being denied access, we had already printed several of Grace`s blogs and tweets regarding and/ or the Maynards` trip to Arizona. In addition, Det. Heinzelman preserved a list of many of Grace`s blogs. The list included the titles of the blogs and the dates they were posted. He then saved that information onto a CD. All the blogs and tweets we preserved that afternoon were later impounded as evidence. During my contact with Robert that day he offered to have his attorney, Mr. Chad Shell, provide me with a copy of s birth certificate. Later that afternoon, I received an email from Mr. Shell. Attached to the email was a copy of a document titled, "Labor and Birth Summary". The document was authored by Cindy O`Donnell, a midwife in Maine, and it contained details regarding Lynn Maynard`s birth on . A copy of s Birth Summary was later impounded as evidence. Upon receiving s Birth Summary, I contacted the OME and provided them with a copy of it. I also released the "hold" I had on her body. At that point in the investigation, the decision was made to serve a search warrant on Robert and Grace`s residence in . At approximately 10:00 p m. that evening, I sent Shane Riley an email. Mr. Riley is an investigator for the Knox County District Attorney`s Office in Rockland, Maine. I worked with him in the past on an unrelated case. I contacted Mr. Riley to see if he could put me in contact with a law enforcement agency that may be able to assist us with serving a search warrant in Dexter. He responded back to me on Monday 3-18-13. Mr. Riley said he had spoken to Sgt. Jason Richards with the Maine State Police and someone would be contacting me. Later that day, I received a phone call from Sgt. Troy Gardner with the Maine State Police Major Crimes Unit. During that conversation, I briefed Sgt. Gardner on our investigation up to that point. I explained to him that we would like to serve a search warrant on the Maynards` residence to seize their computer. Sgt. Gardner agreed to assist us with that task. He requested I send him a synopsis of our investigation for the affidavit. I agreed to do so and told him I would be in contact with him within the next couple of days. In the letter Dr. Lavin wrote to Investigator Ramirez, he said had an appointment scheduled at Phoenix Children`s Hospital. The appointment was scheduled for Monday 3-4-13 with Dr. Pooja Hingorani, an oncologist and retinoblastoma expert at PCH. According to Dr. Lavin, he and Dr. Sarah Fryberger arranged the appointment for at PCH after they learned that Robert did not plan to return her to Maine for treatment as he had previously promised. Robert was notified of the appointment at PCH, however, neither he, nor Grace, took to it. According to the information Dr. Lavin provided in his letter, when PCH advised Robert that the process of staging s tumor would take at least a week, Robert told them that he was only in Arizona for a wedding and that he had to return to Maine by Friday 3-8-13. He said he could not stay any longer. (See Pages 2 - 3 of Dr. Lavin`s letter for further.) On Monday 3-18-13 I went to Phoenix Children`s Hospital in an attempt to identify and speak to the PCH staff member(s) who spoke to Robert Maynard during the registration process. I spoke to Evan Coppola, the Assistant General Counsel for PCH. I briefed Mr. Coppola on the investigation up to that point and told him I would like to speak to the person(s) who spoke to Robert Maynard. Mr. Coppola told me he would look into the matter and would contact me with that information. Also included in Dr. Lavin`s letter to Investigator Ramirez were the names of other doctors involved in s initial diagnosis and treatment. Those doctors included: Dr. Christopher Maloney, ND, in Augusta, ME and Dr. Mukai, MD, at the Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary in Boston, MA. Dr. Lavin also provided information about Dr. Sarah Fryberger, MD, an oncologist at Eastern 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031' 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Maine Medical Center in Bangor. ME. Although Dr. Fryberger never met or treated she was consulted and was scheduled to see and stage her tumor. When Robert and Grace didn?t retmn to Maine for treatment on 3-1-13 as promised. Dr. Fryberger contacted the Department of Hmnan Services in Maine and ?led a Medical Neglect report. 011 3-19-13 I contacted Dr. Sarah Fryberger by telephone to ask her about the report she ?led. speci?cally whether or not a law enforcement agency in Maine had been assigned to investigate the incident. Dr. Fryberger con?rmed she reported Robert and Grace to the Department of Health Service in Maine for Medical Neglect. However. she didn?t know the status of the report. nor did she know whether or not law enforcement in Maine was involved. I then spoke to Dr. Fryberger about her involvement with the Maynard family. The following is a srunmary of the infonnation she provided: Dr. Fryberger specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Eastern Main Medical Center in Bangor. ME and she was prepared to meet with and stage her tumor on or around 2-26-13 to detemline if the tumor was Stage 3 or if it had. in fact. spread to other parts of her body and progressed to Stage 4. She learned later that day that Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel had taken to Arizona and would not be coming in to have the tumor staged. Dr. Fryberger said she then contacted Robert by telephone and spoke to him about the importance of having 5 tumor staged as soon as possible. She said she told him failure to have the tumor staged and failure to obtain the appropriate treatment based on the results of the staging: could result in 5 death. Dr. Fryberger said Robert Maynard was polite during her phone conversation with him. but it was her opinion. that he did not agree with the urgency of having 5 tumor staged. Dr. Fryberger said she then contacted Phoenix Children? Hospital in Arizona and spoke to Dr. Frances Eshun about 5 case. Dr. Eshun told Dr. Fryberger that Dr. Pooja Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital specialized in retinoblastoma and would be able to stage 3 tumor while the family was in Arizona. An appointment for was scheduled with Dr. Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital for 3-4-13. Dr. Fryberger told me that even if 5 MIN had progressed to Stage 4. she could have been treated. which would have added time to her life. I brie?y explained the events that occrured with on 3-13-13 to Dr. Fryberger. When I asked her for her opinion regarding whether or not died from complications related to her tumor. she adamantly replied. "She did not die from tumor! She did not die from tumor!" Dr. Fryberger told me it was her opinion that died from the treatment she received that day and she expected the toxicology results from the autopsy to con?rm that. However. since she never actually saw or treated Dr. Fryberger suggested I contact Dr. Eric Grabowski. a Pediatric Hematologist/ Oncologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. She told me Dr. Grabowski saw before her parents took her to Arizona and she believed he would have more information for me regarding 5 condition and whether or not the cancer could have caused her death. I then attempted to contact Dr. Grabowski by telephone at his of?ce in Boston. MA. He wasn?t available when I called so I left a message with the receptionist regarding the reason for my call. which I explained was a criminal investigation in Arizona involving The receptionist took my name and phone number and advised me she would give Dr. Grabowski the message. A short while later. I received a phone call from Dr. Grabowski and I spoke to him about his involvement with and her parents. My conversation with him was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD and impounded as evidence. A sunm1ary of the information Dr. Grabowski provided. along with transcripts ?om my telephone conversation with him. are attached to this report. During my interview with Dr. Grabowski. he told me about his interaction and communication with Robert and Grace. particularly regarding the need for to be evaluated and her tumor to be staged immediately. One of the blogs I located on Grace?s 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031' 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON. 1 website. "gracieworks". was about Dr. Grabowski and the tests that he wanted conducted on The blog was posted on 2-21-13. In that blog. Grace wrote: "The MRI results are in: the tumor HAS NOT SPREAD outside the eye! This is such a relief. Tomorrow Dr. Mukai will remove the and she?ll be "cured"! (It?s a little odd to consider removing a body part as a "cure". but ya know) Dr. Grabowski still wants to do a spinal tap and a bone morrow test. just to check if there?s any microscopic-sized cells that have spread elsewhere. We think it?s highly unlikely. These tests can wait for a little while and don?t need to be done irmnediately." That blog was one of the blogs located prior to Grace?s website being set to private on 3-16-13. It was printed and later impormded as evidence. On 3-19-13. after speaking to Dr. Grabowski. I contacted Dr. C. William Lavin by telephone to con?rm the information he had provided in his letter to Investigator Ramirez. My conversation with Dr. Lavin was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was impounded as evidence. A summary of the information Dr. Lavin provided. along with transcripts from that phone call. are attached to this report. In the letter he wrote to Investigator Ramirez. Dr. Lavin provided information about a clinic in Mesa. AZ that specialized in non-conventional treatment of cancer. He identi?ed the clinic as being Dr. Lavin said the family gave him information about that clinic and he suspected they may have sought treatment for there. On 3-18-13 I went to the . an alternative cancer treatment center located in Mesa. and I spoke to a woman at the front desk named Clothild Canale. I identi?ed myself to Clothild and then brie?y explained the nature of our investigation to her. I also provided her with 5 name and age. When I asked lothild if she knew whether or not had ever been treated there. she told me she couldn?t have been because they didn?t treat children at . When I asked Clothild if she knew whether or not 5 parents ever contacted the clinic to inquire about treatment. she told me she didn?t know. Clothild agreed to check the clinic?s database to see if there was any record of the Maynards. She took my business card and said she would call me after she researched the clinic? 5 database. Clothild called me the next day and told me there was no record of the Maynards. Robert. Grace. or in the clinic?s database. She said if Robert or Grace would have called seeking treatment for their 18-month old daughter. they would have been told that they did not treat anyone under the age of 18 at the . Clothild said if the clinic received a phone call like that. they wouldn?t have necessarily tracked it. When I asked Clothild why the didn?t treat children. she told me it was because of 110w the State of Arizona viewed the age of consent as it related to medical treatment. Clothild said in Arizona. children. meaning anyone under the age of 18. were unable to consent to medical treatment or procedures. She said those decisions had to be made by adults and when there was a difference of opinion regarding the type of treatment to seek for a child. the state always deferred to conventional medicine. When I asked Clothild if she knew Dr. Martha Grout. she told me she did. She said Dr. Grout was a member of the Arizona Homeopathic and Integrative Medical Association (AI-IIMA) and a very reputable homeopathic doctor in Arizona. Clothild said Dr. Grout was actually one of the AHIMA board members. When I asked Clothild about Laetrile. the substance was given. she told me I should speak to Dr. Jonathan Murphy. one of the doctors at . She said Dr. Murphy would have the most information about that. Clothild agreed to give my name and phone munber to Dr. Mlupliy. She said she would ask him to call me. That concluded my conversation with Clothild. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera Agm? SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON, On 3-20-13 I received a voice message from Dr. Murphy. In the message he left for me. he provided me with his cell phone number: and he said I could reach him at that number between 12:00 and 1:00 p.m. or any time after 3:00 m. that day. I attempted to reach Dr. Murphy on his cell phone later that morning. but he wasn?t available. He then called me back a short while later and I spoke to him over the telephone about Laetrile. My interview with Dr. Murphy was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was impounded as evidence. A summary of the information Dr. Murphy provided. along with transcripts from my interview with him. are attached to this report. During my interview with Dr. Murphy. he told me the appropriate dose of Laetrile for an 18-month old child who weighed approximately 22 - 23 lbs. which was what I estimated weighed. would said 3 cc of Laetrile (or 1 gram) was equal to 1000 mg. which was about four times the oral dose he would recommend for a child that age and size. Regarding the issue of administering the intravenous form of Laetrile orally. Dr. Murphy said he had never done that. nor was it something he would do. Furthermore. he told me that oral doses of Laetrile are usually not administered until the patient has successfully had intravenous doses of it. Dr. said it was not common to give a patient their ?rst dose of Laetrile orally. See the interview sunmiary for further. 011 3-20-13 I contacted the Scottsdale Police Department?s Commlmication Division and requested a copy of the 911 call related to this case. On 3-25-13 I received an email from Laura Berfleld. a supervisor in the Communication Division. Attached to the email was an audio recording of the 911 call. According to Ms. Ber?eld. Scottsdale PD received the 911 call at 6:51 p.m. on 3-13-13. I listened to the recording and learned that the call was from "Jen". later determined to be emmifer Katona. the nursing supervisor at the . During the call. Jen told the Scottsdale PD call taker. "Hi. My name is Jen. I?m calling from . I need an ambulance. We have an 18-month year old who? 5 not breathing." Upon learning that the call was from a medical facility and it involved a medical situation. Scottsdale PD transferred the call to the Scottsdale Fire Department. I later obtained a copy of the call to Scottsdale Fire. During that call. Jen repeated the information she had previously provided to Scottsdale PD. When the call taker asked Jen if she was medical staff. Jen told him. "Yeah. I?m a muse and there is a doctor here. too." The call taker then asked Jen if she was sure the child wasn?t breathing and it wasn?t just a febrile seizure. Jen said. "We?re 100?s sure." When asked if the child?s family was present. Jen told the call taker. "Yes. her mom and dad are here." When asked about the child?s medical history. Jen told the call taker. "She has retinoblastoma. She has cancer in her right eye." The call taker then asked Jen if it was a sudden onset. Jen told him it was. When asked if CPR was in progress. Jen said. "Yeah. the doctor is doing CPR on her right now. She?s been doing it for a couple minutes." Both audio recordings. the one from Scottsdale PD and the one from Scottsdale Fire. were later binned onto CDs and impormded as evidence. Transcripts from both calls are attached to this report. 011 3-20-13 I contacted Sgt. Troy Gardner by email and advised him that our plans had changed and that the search warrant would involve seizing other items. not just the Maynard?s computer. I told him Det. Lockerby and I were now planning to travel to Maine and would like to be present when the search warrant was served at the Maynards? residence. Sgt. Gardner later contacted me and told me that he had assigned Det. Darryl Peary to assist us. He provided me with Det. Peary? 5 contact information. On Thursday 3-21-13 I obtained a search warrant for Dr. Martha Grout?s practice. the . located at in Scottsdale. from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW 2013-015028). 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. Detectives Heinzelman. Lockerby. Grif?tts. and McWilliams assisted me with serving the warrant. The warrant was served at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine at approximately 3:45 m. that afternoon. The practice was open for business and there were still patients 011 site when we served the warrant. The CEO of the practice. Ray Purselley. met us in the front lobby. He advised us that Dr. Grout was with a patient and would be unavailable until around 4:30 1n. Ray requested we wait until all the patients had left the building before we started searching the business. We agreed to do so. While we were waiting. Steven Swerdfeger. Dr. Grout?s husband. contacted us in the lobby and introduced himself. I advised Steven we were investigating the death of and that we had a search warrant. Steven told me he would assist us in any way he could. I then asked Steven if I could talk to him about the incident. He said that was ?ne. He then escorted me upstairs to his of?ce. My interview with Steven Swerdfeger began at approximately 4:00 1n. and it lasted for about 35 minutes. The interview was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was impounded as evidence. A sunmtary of the information Steven provided. along with transcripts from my interview with him. are attached to this report. After I ?nished interviewing Steven. I met with Dr. Martha Grout. I advised her we were investigating the death of which occrured on 3-13-13. and that we had a search warrant for her practice. I told Dr. Grout that she wasn?t under arrest. I then provided her with a copy of the search warrant. Dr. Grout read through the warrant and then contacted her attorney. Mr. Garrett Smith. by telephone. After speaking to Mr. Smith. Dr. Grout told me that she would comply with the search warrant and would assist us in locating the items listed in the search warrant. but she would not provide a statement or participate in an interview without having her attorney present. As a result. no interview was conducted with Dr. Grout. Dr. Grout then assisted us in locating the items listed in the search warrant. Detectives Grif?tts. Sullivan. and Swanson collected the electronic devices and evidence while Detectives Lockerby and Heinzelman collected the other items. See their supplements for further regarding the items collected from AZCAM that day. Regarding 5 complete patient ?le. which was one of the items listed in the search warrant. Dr. Grout told us that she utilized a remote storage server called "Practice Fusion". which allowed her to digitally store all of her patients? records. As a result. Detectives Grif?tts. Sullivan. and Swanson were unable to independently seize 5 patient ?le. Dr. Grout offered to access 5 patient ?le on Practice Fusion and then print a hard copy of it to satisfy the search warrant. I was present with Dr. Grout when she accessed 5 electronic patient ?le and printed each item from it. Dr. Grout then gave me the copies she printed. The items she gave me included the following: notes from a free 15-minute phone consultation with Robert Maynard dated 3-4-13: registration paperwork. including ?nancial policy. insurance policy. Medicare private contract. Consent for Treatment. HIPPA information. patient demographic infomtation. past medical history. diagnosis history. prescription history. and growth chart dated 3-7-13; Child/ Adolescent intake form dated 3-7-13: NES Health report for dated 3-7-13: SOAP (Subjective. Objective. Assessment. Plan) Note from an appointment Dr. Grout had with on 3-7-13: an email about dosage from Dr. Grout to Robert Maynard at robertm365@gmail.com dated 3-8-13 at 6:52 SOAP Note from an appointment Dr. Grout had with on 3-13-13: Medical evaluation and recommendation for dated 3-13-13: Vitals History. Case Review. a retrospective note. authored by Dr. Grout on 3-14?13: 3 letter from Dr. Martha Grout to the Scottsdale Fire Department?s Chief dated 3-15-13: AZCAM charge sheets dated 3-7-13 and 3-13-13. a letter to Robert Maynard from Dr. C. William Lavin in Waterville. ME. dated 2-2 8-13: 5 brain imaging report from the Maine Medical Center in Portland. NE. on 2-20-13: 5 operative report (Dr. Shizuo Mukai) from the Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary in 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Supplement Page: 15 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J Boston, MA on 2-22-13; various research articles regarding the treatment of retinoblastoma; and Dr. Grout`s notes from a conversation with Robert Maynard on 3-16-13. In addition to providing me with "hard copies" from s electronic patient file, Dr. Grout also accessed an electronic folder, which contained multiple articles and studies regarding Laetrile and amygdalin. She printed hard copies of those documents and gave me copies of them, too. I maintained custody of all the documents Dr. Grout gave me and later impounded them as evidence. While we were at AzCAM serving the search warrant that day, Detective Lockerby, Detective Heinzelman, and I contacted all of the employees who were present and interviewed them about the incident involving In addition to Steven Swerdfeger, I also interviewed Karissa Brown and Shelley Heinley. My interviews with them were digitally recorded (audio). The recordings were later burned onto CDs and impounded as evidence. Summaries from my interviews with Karissa and Shelley, along with transcripts from the interviews, are attached to this report. Det. Heinzelman contacted Jennifer Katona, Dr. Krystine Nguyen, Kyle Sartor, and Ray Purselley. When he contacted Jennifer "Jen" Katona, LPN, the nursing supervisor at AzCAM, and attempted to interview her about the incident involving Jennifer told him she didn`t want to speak to him without an attorney present. Det. Heinzelman provided Jennifer with his business card and asked her to contact him once she had consulted with an attorney. Jennifer never contacted him. As a result, no interview with her was ever conducted. See Det. Heinzelman`s supplement for further regarding his interviews with Dr. Krystine Nguyen, NMD, Kyle Sartor, and Ray Purselley. Det. Lockerby contacted Peter Geare and interviewed him. See his supplement for further regarding the information Peter provided. We concluded the search warrant at AzCAM at approximately 7:40 p.m. that evening. On 3-25-13 I returned the search warrant to Judge McCoy. A copy of the warrant is attached to this report. I later reviewed the documents Dr. Grout gave me. Upon reviewing the documents from s patient file I learned the following: Robert Maynard spoke to someone at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine on 3-4-13 and had a free 15 minute consultation. The notes from that consultation indicated Robert`s daughter ( had recently been diagnosed with retinoblastoma, although she had been symptomatic for ten months. Pathology confirmed both the retina and optic nerve had tested positive for cancer and she had already undergone surgery (enucleation). The family was from Maine, but they were in Arizona for a wedding and they had gone to Phoenix Children`s Hospital. PCH wanted to do a spinal tap on the child followed by chemotherapy. Robert was calling to inquire whether or not his daughter should have the spinal tap at PCH. According to the notes, PCH was giving him some "flack", but he would get the tests if they were necessary. An appointment for was then scheduled with Dr. Grout on 3-7-13 at 3:45 p m. According to the SOAP notes related to that appointment, weighed 24 lbs. and was 29 inches long that day. In the "Objective" section of the SOAP notes, Dr. Grout noted that was a well nourished, well developed child. She described as being cheerful; able to sit by herself; and toddle with assistance. Dr. Grout noted, "no words, excellent eye contact. No abuse/ neglect evident." In the "Assessment" section of the SOAP notes, Dr. Grout noted, "High likelihood of metastatic disease, given that the tumor has already invaded the optic nerve. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON. Anti-angiogenic foods. anti-oxidant supplements. tumoricidal supplements (amygdalin) are much more to the parents? inclination than standard chemotherapy (vincristine. carboplatin. etoposide). Diagnoses: Malignant neoplasm of retina with optic nerve involvement and other nutritional de?ciency. possible genetic defect in folic acid metabolism." In the "Plan" section of the SOAP report. Dr. Grout noted. "amygdalin. poly-MVA. and Vitamin in high doses." She also noted. "Metabolic analysis pro?le - possibly an RGCC OncoCount." In the email from Dr. Grout to Robert Maynard dated 3-8-13. she recommended be given 2 teaspoons of poly-MVA per day. one teaspoon in the morning and one teaspoon in the evening. Robert and Grace took back to see Dr. Grout on 3-13-13. In the "Subjective" section of Dr. Grout?s SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. has been doing well with taking 1 teaspoon twice a day. and appears to be tolerated the medication well. We discussed recommendations for ?n?ther treatment and possible testing. Parents will take the binder home. discuss the recommendations. and get back to us. They do want to try amygdalin because of its known activity against tumor cells. in the hopes that we may be able to prevent recurrence or metastasis of tumor - very in retinoblastomas which have already invaded the optic nerve." In the "Objective" section of the SOAP notes from that day. Dr. Grout noted. "Just woke up from a nap. so a little drowsy on initial evaluation. but alert and cheerful during the of?ce visit." In the "Assessment" section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. scan showed several vitamin imbalances. which we plan to address with nutritional supplements. I also recommended testing for at least polymorphism. Diagnoses: malignant neoplasm of retina and other nutritional de?ciency." In the "Plan" section of the SOAP notes. Dr. Grout noted. 5 n11 bid and amygdalin 3.4 ml of the liquid fomi daily." In the Medical Evaluation and Recommendations form dated 3-13-13. it stated had been diagnosed with retinoblastoma and a possible genetic defect in folic acid metabolism. Various tests. including Metabolic Analysis Pro?le. GI Function pro?le. NeuroGenomic pro?le. and an RGC test. were recommended. A brief description of each test was also provided. I reviewed them and noted that none of the recommended tests involved immediately staging tumor. The RGCC test. which was listed fourth on the testing priority list. was described as being a test to determine circulating tumor cell count. chernosensitivity. and sensitivity to alternative treatments. It involved taking a blood sample from the patient and then sending it to a lab in Greece. If circulating tumor cells (CTCs) were found in the blood sample. the CTCs could then be grown in tissue culture and tested against a multitude of chemotherapeutic agents as well as "alternatives" and botanicals. to see which substances had the highest kill rate in tissue culture. The information further advised that it was not a 100% guarantee that what worked in the tissue culture would work on the original tumor. but it was a "pretty good" indication and far better than anything we had available in the United States. A list of treatments was also provided in the Medical Evaluation and form. Included in that list was the recommendation to take supplemental vitamins and fatty acids for better metabolism. to include a multivitamin. ?sh oils. amygdalin to help induce apoptosis in tumor cells. and a powerful antioxidant. also to help induce apoptosis in tumor cells. In a "Case Review" report dated 3-14-13. Dr. Grout noted the following. "Father called the of?ce at approximately 5:30 in. yesterday to say that was crying and not acting right. They had taken her to a restaurant and had just started eating. when she started to cry in a way that was lmusual for her. I advised them to bring her to the of?ce. On arrival. the child appeared to be sleeping. Respiratory rate was slow. but regular. Father remarked that she always had slow breathing when asleep. Left pupil was reactive to light. Right is enucleated. Heart rate regular. about 100. Extremities were cool but not cyanotic. After a time of observation. her breathing abruptly went from slow to none and facial color changed to white. I was unable to hear a heartbeat or feel a pulse. 911 was called and CPR was initiated immediately. Emergency Medical Persormel anived. intubated the child. started 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. an intraosseous line. monitor showed no cardiac activity. Epinephrine was administered in this of?ce. and she was transported to Scottsdale Memorial Hospital on Shea Blvd. CPR was continued at the hospital. but to no avail. The baby was pronounced dead. and the medical examiner noti?ed by hospital persomlel. I was at the hospital with Robert and Grace when the pronouncement occurred. Times are not noted because we were not keeping track of them. not anticipating this outcome. Cause of death? Will need to be determined by autopsy. I anticipate a call from the medical examiner today. After the fact. father and his friend told me that had had an unusually smelly stool in her diaper earlier today. and that she seemed to be passing a lot of gas. They could not recall anything else of note." Upon reviewing the articles Dr. Grout gave me regarding Laetrile and amygdalin. I found that recommended dosages were discussed in some of them. One of the articles. "Laetrile - the answer to Cancer" by James South. MA. noted. "When Laetrile is used therapeutically. it is usually given either intravenously. at doses from one to nine grams. or orally. at doses of 500 mg. two to four times daily. To maximize the safety and effectiveness of oral Laetrile. it is imperative that it be taken on an empty stomach. either two hours before or three hours after a meal. Never combine oral Laetrile with raw almonds or raw apricot kernels. or raw vegetable or bean sprouts. as these are high in the cyanide-releasing betaglucosidase enzyme." Another article cited research involving the combination of the intravenous and oral fomls of Laetrile for treatment and noted that Laetrile was given intravenously (up 9 grams) for a period of months prior to it being given orally (1 gram at bedtime). Neither article mentioned whether or not the dosage would be different for a child. However. based on dosage infomlation in both articles and the infomlation Dr. John Murphy provided. I determined Dr. Grout administered more than the recommended dose of Laetrile to on 3-13-13 and she administered it orally. which was not recommended for the ?rst dose. There were also some articles that Dr. Grout gave me. which addressed cyanide toxicity as it related to the oral administration of Laetrile. One of the articles from the National Cancer Institute. "Laetrile Amygdalin". stated. "Laetrile can be administered orally as a pill or it can be given by injection (intravenous or intramuscular). It is commonly given intravenously over a period of time followed by oral maintenance therapy. The incidence of cyanide poisoning is much higher when Laetrile is taken orally because intestinal bacteria and some commonly eaten plants contain enzymes (beta glucosidases) that activate the release of cyanide after laetrile has been ingested. Relatively little breakdown to yield cyanide occurs when laetrile is injected." Another article. titled "Vitamin stated. "The oral toxicity of amygdalin was found to be 39 - 44 times greater than the intramuscular route and more toxic than the intravenous route." On 3-22-13 I contacted Det. Darryl Peary with the Maine State Police and requested his assistance in obtaining a physical description of the Maynards? residence in Dexter. Det. Peary agreed to assist me and he provided me with a description of their residence later that day. On 3-25-13 I contacted Attorney Garrett Smith by telephone to schedule an interview with Dr. Grout. During that brief conversation. Mr. Smith advised me that Dr. Grout would not be providing a statement. On 3-29-13 I obtained a search warrant for Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel? residence. located at . from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court (SW 2013-015040). I then contacted Sgt. Gardner and Det. Peary with the Maine State Police and provided them with a copy of the warrant. Det. Peary then utilized the facts and circumstances contained in the Arizona search warrant to obtain a search warrant in Maine for the Maynards? residence. On 4-2-13 Det. Lockerby and I traveled to Maine. Prior to leaving Arizona that day. I attempted to contact Dr. Lavin. Dr. Fryberger. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related rd'qum Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. and Dr. Grabowski by telephone to let them know we were traveling to Maine and would like to meet with them in person to speak to them about their involvement with the Maynard family. I spoke to Michelle at Dr. Fryberger? 5 of?ce. She told me Dr. Fryberger wasn?t available to speak to me. nor did Dr. Fryberger believe she had any additional information to provide. I was unable to reach Dr. Grabowski and Dr. Lavin. I left messages for both of them. Det. Lockerby and I arrived in Maine the evening of 4-2-13. On the morning of 4-3-13 we met with Det. D. Peary in Bangor. We then accompanied him and several other Maine State Police Troopers (Det. Brian Strout. Trooper Chris Cookston. and Trooper David Yankowsky) to the Maynards? residence in Dexter. We arrived there at approximately 9:50 a m. There was no one home when we arrived and the house was secured. I attempted to contact Robert and Grace by calling them on their cell phones. but neither one of them answered. There was a lock box on the front door of the residence and a realty sign in the front yard. Det. Peary then contacted the realtor that was listed on the sign and obtained a code for the lock box. Entry was made into the Maynards? residence at approximately 10:30 a m. that morning. During the search of the Maynards? residence. multiple items of evidence were seized. Those Items included the following: a Dell Inspiron desktop computer: a Toshiba external hard drive: a Motorola ?ip cell phone: a Canon Powershot digital camera: a spiral notebook journal: an envelope labeled Receipts": a photo collage of a pink photo album: a red folder. which contained various documents related to a San Disk 4 GB SD memory card: a wedding program for Joy and James Walker: indicia of occupancy at a manila folder containing medical documents for and a white 3-ring binder. which contained paperwork for from the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine. Cell phones were also listed in the warrant and included in the items to be seized. However. Robert and Grace were not home when the warrant was served. As a result. we were unable to seize their cell phones. The Motorola ?ip phone that was located during the service of the warrant appeared to be an old phone. We concluded the search warrant at approximately 1:00 n1. Det. Peary took custody of all the items we seized. A list of the items. along with a copy of the search warrant. was left at the residence. Later that afternoon. Det. Peary received a phone call from Attorney Stephen Smith. Mr. Smith told Det. Peary that he represented Robert Maynard. Det. Peary advised Mr. Smith that he had a search warrant for Robert and Grace? 5 residence and that the warrant included Robert and Grace? 5 cell phones. Mr. Smith con?rmed both Robert and Grace had their cell phones with them. He said the phone that was seized from the residence during the service of the warrant. the Motorola ?ip phone. was an old phone. Mr. Smith agreed to meet with Det. Peary the following day and nun Robert and Grace? 3 cell phones over to him. On 4-4-13 Det. Lockerby and I accompanied Det. Peary to Mr. Smith 5 of?ce in Bangor where we met with Mr. Smith. Robert. and Grace. Det. Peary then provided them with a copy of the search warrant. Robert and Grace then turned their personal cell phones over to Det. Peary. Both phones were seized as evidence. Robert?s cell phone was identi?ed as a blue Samsung Galaxy smart phone. model SCH-R530. serial number: . Grace?s cell phone was identi?ed as a red and black Samsrurg ?ip phone. model SCH-R270. serial number: On 4-4-13 Det. Peary gave Det. Lockerby and I all the items seized during the search warrant. We took custody of the items and later impounded them as evidence at Scottsdale PD. A copy of Det. Peary?s search warrant. including the property receipt. is attached to this report. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related mm Est. Oregody Camera SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. While we were in Maine. Det. Lockerby and I contacted Dr. Lavin. Dr. Fryberger. and Dr. Christopher Maloney. On 4-3-13 we contacted Dr. Lavin at his of?ce in Waterville. ME. and conducted a follow-up interview with him. Our interview with Dr. Lavin began at approximately 4:30 p.m. and it lasted for about an hour. The interview was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD and impounded as exidence. A summary of our interview with Dr. Lavin that day. along with transcripts from the interview. are attached to this report. During that interview with Dr. Lavin. he provided me with a copy of 5 patient ?le. which included the following documents: a note regarding a phone message for Dr. Lavin from Dr. Maloney dated 2-6-13: multiple copies of a letter from Dr. Lavin to Dr. Shizuo Mukai dated 2-11-13. one of which included a handwritten note regarding the Maynards? address in Dexter: Operative Report from Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary dated 2-22-13: 5 Pathology Report from Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary dated 2-25-13: 3 Patient Face Sheet and exam notes dated 2-25-13: a Patient Information form dated 2-25-13: an Authorization to Release Medical Information form dated 2-25-13: a Medical Rights Information form dated 2-25-13: a Permission to Treat form dated 2-25-13: a copy of a letter from Dr. Lavin to Robert Maynard dated 2-28-13: a fax cover sheet from Dr. Lavin to Christopher Maloney dated 2-28-13: (2) copies of a letter from Dr. Lavin to Dr. Francis Eshun at Phoenix Children?s Hospital dated 3-1-13. one of which was forwarded to Dr. Sarah Fryberger and contained a handwritten note at the bottom regarding appointment with Dr. Pooja Hingorani at PCH on 3-4-13 at 2:30 111.: a records request from Investigator Joel Ramirez at the Maricopa County Medical Examiner?s Of?ce to Dr. Lavin dated 3-14-13: a note regarding a phone message for Dr. Lavin from the Medical Examiner in Arizona dated 3-14-13: a faxed letter from Dr. Lavin to Investigator Ramirez dated 3-14-13: 3 note regarding a phone message from me to Dr. Lavin dated 4-2-13: (5) pages of handwritten notes regarding Dr. Lavin?s involvement with the Maynards: (2) pages of typed notes regarding Dr. Lavin? involvement with the Maynards. particularly his contact with Robert: and literature about St. Jude?s Children?s Hospital. in Mesa. AZ. and the Maine Medical Center Cancer Institute. I took custody of all the copies Dr. Lavin provided and later impounded them as evidence. On 4-4-13 Det. Lockerby and I contacted Dr. Sarah Fryberger at her of?ce at the Eastern Maine Medical Center in Brewer. ME. The meeting was unplamred. However. Dr. Fryberger agreed to meet with us brie?y. During that meeting. Dr. Fryberger con?rmed she never actually met or treated She told us Dr. Grabowski referred to her for staging on or around 2-25-13. Dr. Fryberger said she was prepared to meet with and stage her tumor on 2-26-13. She said she later received a phone call from Dr. Grabowski who told her that the Maynards had left and had gone to Arizona without having 5 tumor staged. Upon learning the Maynards were in Arizona. Dr. Fryberger said she contacted Robert by telephone and explained to him how urgent it was that be staged as soon as possible. She said she then contacted Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital and informed them about the situation. She said she was referred to Dr. Eshtm and an appointment was then scheduled for Dr. Fryberger said she contacted Robert Maynard by telephone on 2-28-13. She said she told him about the appointment and told him to expect a call from PCH. When asked which phone munber she called Robert from that day. Dr. Fryberger said she believed she called him from her cell phone. which she identi?ed as . Dr. Fryberger said she had notes regarding her involvement with 5 case. including her contact with Robert Maynard 011 2-28-13. She agreed to provide them. however. she advised the request would have to go through the Legal Department. I later contacted Legal Department and spoke to Attorney Glen Martin. Mr. Martin advised me that EMMC would cooperate and release any records pertinent to our investigation. However. they would need a subpoena. Since was never a patient at EMIMC. the only documents or records pertinent to the case were Dr. Fryberger?s personal notes. Since I had already interviewed Dr. Fryberger and she gave me infomration from her notes. I decided not to obtain a subpoena. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. On 4-4-13 Det. Lockerby and I contacted Dr. Christopher Maloney at his office residence in Augusta. ME. We identi?ed ourselves as Police Detectives from Scottsdale. Arizona and we explained to Dr. Maloney that we were investigating the death of Dr. Maloney was very polite. but he refused to speak to us. He advised us that he had an attorney. Mr. Kenneth Lehman. and he suggested we contact him. When I asked Dr. Maloney if he would call Mr. Lehman. he agreed to do so. Dr. Maloney spoke to Mr. Lehman brie?y and then he passed the phone to me. During that conversation. Mr. Lehman explained to me that there were legal concerns regarding what information Dr. Maloney was authorized to release. He said Dr. Maloney had already preserved 5 patient ?le and he was willing to cooperate with the investigation. he just wanted to make sure he was legally authorized to do so before he gave a statement. Mr. Lehman requested I obtain a court order from a judge in Maine ordering Dr. Maloney to release his records regarding and to participate in an interview regarding his contact and interaction with the Maynard family. I agreed to obtain the order and advised Mr. Lehman I would contact him once I had it. I later contacted Det. Peary with the Maine State Police and he assisted me by obtaining a court order from the Kennebec County Superior Court in Maine. On 4-5-13 Det. Lockerby and I attempted to contact Dr. Eric Grabowski at Massachusetts General Hospital and Dr. Shizuo Mukai at Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary in Boston. We spoke to Paula Moran. a Privacy Manager in the Health Information Services Department at Massachusetts General and Lisa McLellan. an Operations Manager for the Department of Health Information Systems at Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary. Both women advised us we would need a court order from a Massachusetts judge before we could speak to either doctor. I did not pursue the matter. As a result. no follow-up interview was conducted with Dr. Grabowski and Dr. Mukai was never interviewed. Det. Lockerby and I returned to Arizona on 4-5-13. On 4-12-13 I obtained the following three search warrants from the Honorable M. Scott McCoy of the Maricopa County Superior Court: SW 2013-015046 for any and all information related to Grace? 5 blog. "gracieworks". which was managed and maintained by Wordpress.com: SW 2013-015047 for any and all information related to Grace? 5 Twitter account. and SW 2013-015048. which allowed detectives from the Scottsdale Police Department to search the electronic items seized from Robert and Grace and their residence in Maine. Later that day. I served the warrant on Wordpress via email and the warrant on Twitter via fax. Copies of all three search warrants are attached to this report. On 4-17-13 I contacted Sgt. A. Henderson #765 with Scottsdale Police Department?s Computer Crimes Unit. I provided him with a copy of the search warrant (SW 2013-015048) and requested that the electronic items seized in Maine be examined. in particular for emails. web searches. notes. reports. and/ or any other form of cormnunication that may indicate whether or not Robert and/ or Grace researched Laetrile. amygdalin. and/ or Vitamin B17 on the intemet or if they received any type of infomlation regarding those substances and the treatment of cancer. either via email or text message. before they allowed Dr. Grout to administer it to on 3-13-13. Sgt. Henderson assigled Det. D. Litch?eld #657. a trained computer forensic analyst. to examine the electronic items. On 4-18-13 I met with Det. D. Litch?eld at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center and turned over the following items to him: a Dell Inspiron 530 computer tower (Item #902902): a black Toshiba extemal hard drive (Item #902909): a blue Samsung Galaxy cell phone (Item #902903): a red and black Samsung cell phone (Item #902905): a Canon Powershot digital camera (Item 902910): a Motorola ?ip phone (Item 902912): and a San disk 4GB SD card (Item #902918). Det. Litch?eld took custody of the items. He then took them to his of?ce at the Arizona Counter Terrorism Information Center (ACTIC) in Phoenix where he 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. forensically examined them. See his supplement for further. On 4-22-13 I received a phone call from Attorney Chad Shell. He said he was calling about Robert and Grace?s electronic items. He told me they wanted their computer and cell phones back and he wanted to know when I planned to return them. Mr. Shell also sent me an email that day regarding the same issue. I responded back to him via email and explained to him that the items were being analyzed and I wasn?t sure exactly how long that would take. I advised him I would contact him when I had more information. I then contacted Det. Litch?eld and advised him of the situation. Dining that conversation. Det. Litch?eld offered to provide me with a copy of the images from the electronic items so the Maynards would have pictures of He told me he would contact me once he had everything copied. On 4-24-13 Det. Litch?eld contacted me and told me the Samsung Galaxy cell phone. which was Robert Maynard?s cell phone. was "pattem-locked". He asked me if it was possible to obtain the unlock pattern. I then contacted Attorney Chad Shell by email and explained the situation to him. I told him Robert never gave me the unlock pattern for his phone. I then asked him if he would like to contact Robert and ask him for the pattern or if he preferred Det. Litch?eld proceed without it. which would require a script to be uploaded to the phone. Mr. Shell responded back via email and provided me with the lutlock pattem. I then forwarded that information to Det. Litch?eld. On 5-17-13 Det. Peary contacted me by email and provided me with a copy of the court order ?om the Kennebec County Superior Corut in Maine. It ordered Dr. Clnistoplier Maloney to provide the Scottsdale Police Department with a complete copy of 5 patient ?le and all documents concerning including but not limited to. all papers. records. notes. phone logs. emails. photographs. treatment recommendations. referrals. payment information. and registration paperwork. whether the items be listed in 5 name or her parents? names. Robert Maynard and/ or Grace Daniel. The court also ordered Dr. Maloney to participate in an interview with the Scottsdale Police Department and to answer any and all questions asked of him regarding the circumstances of 5 death. his assessment of and his interactions and/ or involvement with her and her parents. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel. and/ or any other person or provider concerning The order further stated that Dr. Maloney?s attorney should be pennitted to be present at all times and that the interview should be arranged through Dr. Maloney?s attorney. A copy of the court order is attached to this report. 011 5-22-13 I contacted Attorney Kemleth Lelmlan by telephone to schedule an appointment to interview Dr. Christopher Maloney. Mr. Lehman rettuned my call the following day and advised me that he no longer represented Dr. Maloney. He said Dr. Maloney had transferred his legal representation to Attorney Walter McKee. Mr. Lehman told me he had already briefed Mr. McKee on the case and he had given Mr. McKee copies of everything he had. He told me I could reach Mr. McKee at On 5-24-13 I attempted to contact Mr. McKee. He was lmavailable. so I left a message requesting he return my call. 011 6-4-13 Det. Litch?eld contacted me by email and advised that he had copied all the data (201 GB) from the Maynards? electronic devices. their cell phones. memory card. external hard drive. and computer. onto a separate hard drive. He told me he would deliver the hard drive to me later that week so I could send it to the Maynards. On 6-5-13 Attorney Walt McKee contacted me by telephone. I was away from the of?ce at the time. so he left a message for me requesting I contact his of?ce to schedule a telephonic interview with his client. Dr. Maloney. Mr. McKee also asked me for my fax number. He said once he had it. he would fax over Dr. Maloney?s records regarding his involvement with and her 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 parents. On 6-6-13 I attempted to contact Mr. McKee by telephone. I was unable to reach him. but left a message. which included my fax number. Molly from Mr. McKee? 5 of?ce later returned my call and the interview with Dr. Maloney was scheduled for 6-24-13. On 6-6-13 I received a 23 page fax ?om Mr. McKee. The fax included a copy of the court order from Kermebec County Superior Court: (13) pages of copies from Dr. Maloney?s phone log: (2) pages of patient notes for dated 12-12-12 and 1-28-13: and a chain of email messages between Dr. Maloney and Robert Maynard dated 2-28-13 and 3-1-13. I took custody of the records and later impounded them as evidence. On 6-6-13 I received an email from Anthony Nieto regarding Twitter?s response to search warrant SW2013-015047. Attached to the email was infonnation related to Grace?s Twitter account. . which included her screen name. "GraceOnPurpose": the email address associated with the account. the creation date; login history and related IP addresses: tweets: direct messages: and Grace?s avatar and backgrormd image. I reviewed the information from Twitter and learned that all their records were maintained in Coordinated Universal Time (UT GMT). which meant if Grace posted a tweet while she was in Maine. Eastern Standard Time. the time stamp on the tweet would be 5 hours later than it was actually posted. If she posted a tweet while she was in Arizona. Mormtain Standard Time. the time stamp on the tweet would be 7 hours later than it was actually posted. In reviewing the tweets from Grace? 5 account I discovered two tweets that mentioned her blog: Those tweets were dated 3-16-13 at 4:47 p.m. Mountain Standard Time (23:47 hrs. UTC). when Grace was in Arizona. and 3-18-13 at 9:29 a 111. Eastern Standard Time (14:29 hrs. UTC). when she was in Maine. The tweet posted to Grace?s account 011 3-16-13 said. "I?ve currently set my blog to private for personal reasons. I?m sorry for any inconvenience. Hope to have it public again soon." Two days later. on 3-18-13. another tweet was posted. It said. "I?m sorry to have taken my blog down and that you can?t read any of my posts right now. Hopefully it will be back up soon. this is temporary." I saved all the information I received from Twitter onto a CD. which was later impounded as evidence. A summary of the information from Grace?s Twitter account is attached to this report. On 6-7-13 I contacted Attorney Chad Shell by email and Attorney Stephen Smith by telephone. Mr. Smith was unavailable. so I left a message for him. In the message I left for him and in the email I sent to Mr. Shell. I advised both of them that although the forensic analysis on the Maynards? electronic items was not yet complete. all of the images from their cell phones. computer. and external hard drive had been copied to a separate hard drive so that Robert and Grace could have pictures of In addition to the photos. all the documents. music. and videos were also copied from their computer to a the hard drive. I advised both Mr. Shell and Mr. Smith that I would mail the hard drive to Robert and Grace via FedEx. I then asked them if I should send it to their residence in Dexter or to Mr. Smith' 5 of?ce in Bangor. Mr. Shell responded back the following day and advised me to send the hard drive to Robert and Grace at their residence in Dexter. which I then did on 6-12-13. Tracking . A copy of the FedEx Air Bill is attached to this report. Mr. Shell later contacted me and asked if I could provide Robert and Grace with a copy of their contacts from their cell phones. I agreed to do so. I then contacted Det. and obtained copies of the contact lists. On 6-18-13 I emailed that information to Mr. Shell. On 6-21-13 I received an email from Bryan V. regarding WordPress.com?s response to search warrant SW2013-015046. According to Bryan. WordPress? legal counsel was still reviewing the search warrant. He advised he would contact me with the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. canary Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. information as soon as it was available. On 6-24-13 I conducted a telephonic interview with Dr. Christopher Maloney and his attorney. Walt McKee. The interview began at approximately 10:27 am. and it lasted for about thirty-two minutes. It was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. Transcripts from the interview. along with a summary of the information Dr. Maloney provided. are attached to this report. 011 6-25-13 I received an email from Mindy Morton. Senior Counsel at Procopio. Cory. Hargreaves Savitch LLP. a law ?rm in California. regarding WordPresscom?s response to search warrant In her email. Ms. Graves stated WordPress.com had provided all the available requested information. which included subscriber information. creation date. account status. email address associated with the account. log-in history and associated IP addresses. all photographs and attachments: all blogs. images. links. posts. favorite lists. follower lists. and direct messages related to Grace's blog. "Grace On Pmpose). Ms. Morton said it appeared the user was still using the blog. but now had it marked "private". She told me WordPress.com tried to pull all the posts. but were unable to retrieve anything posted after the account was set to private. As a result. those posts were not included in the information WordPress provided. In addition. Ms. Morton said it appeared 43 posts were deleted from the account on 4-5-13 between 17:00 and 19:00 UTC (12:00 m. and 2:00 pm. Eastern Standard Time). which was the day after Det. Lockerby and I met Robert and Grace at Mr. Smith?s of?ce in Bangor and seized their cell phones. I reviewed the information Ms. Morton provided. A summary of the infomlation I reviewed is attached to this report. I later copied all the information I received from WordPress.com onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. On 7-9-13 Det. Litch?eld contacted me and advised me he had completed his forensic analysis of the electronic items seized from Robert and Grace and their residence in Maine. He told me his report was over 50 GB in size. Due to the size. he suggested I meet with him at ACTIC to review the recovered data and then bookmark what I believed to be pertinent to the investigation. He told me he thought it would probably take me about 2 - 3 days to review the data he recovered. Due to my caseload. I advised Det. Litch?eld I was unable to meet with him at that time. I requested he preserve the evidence until I could meet with him. He agreed to do so. On 8-2-13 I received a phone message from Dr. Kevin Horn at the Maricopa County Of?ce of the Medical Examiner. In the message he left for me. Dr. Hom said the toxicology results from autopsy had returned and cyanide was present in three of the samples he collected: her cardiac blood. stomach contents. and intestine contents. Dr. Horn requested we meet the following week to discuss the case. I contacted him later that day and advised him I would be out of town until 8-19-13. We then arranged to meet on Wednesday 8-21-13 at the OMB in Phoenix. On 8-21-13 Det. Lockerby and I met with Dr. Horn and Norman Wade. a toxicologist at the Maricopa County OME. During that meeting. Dr. Horn and Mr. Wade con?rmed that cyanide was found in 5 cardiac blood. stomach contents. and intestine contents. Based on that information and the fact he formd no other explanation for the sudden onset of experienced on 3-13-13. Dr. Horn said he determined the cause of death to be cyanide poisoning. He said the manner of her death was undetermined. Dr. Horn agreed to send me a copy of his report once it was ?nalized. On 9-10-13 I received 5 autopsy report from the Maricopa County Of?ce of the Medical Examiner. According to the report. cyanide was found in 5 cardiac blood. stomach. and large intestine. Dr. Kevin Horn. MD. ruled the Cause of Death to be Cyanide poisoning (reported amygdalin administration) in setting of metastatic retinoblastoma. Regarding the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. administration of amygdalin. Dr. Hom stated. "Although ostensibly the goal of providing this substance was an attempt to treat the child?s cancer. the mlfortunate result was a lack of standard medical care to a likely treatable condition and the provision of a toxic and ultimately fatal substance to the child. which caused her death." A copy of the autopsy report is attached to this report. 011 9-12-13 I met with Carol Davis. the Operations Manager for the Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders at Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital. and Michael Tirmnons. a Financial Counselor for Phoenix Children?s Medical Group. and interviewed them regarding their involvement with the Maynard family. The interview was digitally recorded (audio). Transcripts from the interview. along with a surmnary of the information Ms. Davis and Mr. Tirmnons provided. are attached to this report. 011 11-4-13 I met with Det. P. Salazar #632 and briefed him on the investigation. I then requested he assist me with reviewing the images and data Det. Litch?eld had recovered from the electronic items. He agreed to do so. Det. Salazar then met with Det. Litch?eld and reviewed approximately 3000 images. He then bookmarked items pertinent to the investigation. Det. Litch?eld then included those items in his ?nal report. Det. Litch?eld?s ?nal report was burned onto a CD. which was later impounded as evidence. See Detectives Salazar and Litch?eld?s supplements for further. I later reviewed Det. Litch?eld?s ?nal report and learned the following: Regarding the three cell phones. only Robert?s Samsung Galaxy was capable of accessing the internet and actually had web/ internet history saved on it. Most of the web/ internet history saved on Robert?s cell phone was dated. however. some of it wasn?t. The dated history was from the time period of 3-17-13 through 4-3-13. which was after 5 death. None of the web internet history saved on Robert? 5 cell phone included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and] or Vitamin B17. Text messages and emails were also recovered from Robert?s cell phone. The majority of the text messages recovered from Robert?s cell phone were found in the "in box" and they were dated 2-4-13 through 4-2-13. The contents of those messages were reviewed and none of them included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and! or Vitamin B17. The majority of the emails recovered from Robert? 5 cell phone were also dated and they were ?om the time period of 1-20-13 through 4-2-13. Information recovered from the emails included who the emails were to; who they were from; the date they were sent or received: the subject of the email: and the content of the email. Robert?s email address was identi?ed in the emails as and Grace?s email was identi?ed as . Some of the people Robert and Grace exchanged emails with during that time period included Robert?s parents. Todd and Deb Maynard: Grace?s mother. Laurie Daniel: Shelly Heinley. a patient liaison at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine: Delta Airlines: Kristyn Fish at The Fullness of Life Foundation. which is an organization that provides information. education. and awareness regarding the use of advanced. integrative medicine in the prevention and treatment of cancer: Christopher Maloney. N.D.. the naturopathic doctor in Maine. who referred to Dr. Lavin: Maureen Long. the founder and administrator of Camelot Cancer Care in Oklahoma: and Dr. Martha Grout at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine. Two of the emails recovered from Robert? 5 cell phone speci?cally mentioned "Laetrile". The ?rst email was dated 2-26-13 at 5:45 pm. It was from Robert a1 .com and it was to . The subject of the message was titled: "Website Form Completion - Contact". Robert?s name. along with his email address. were provided as contact information. The content of the message was as follows: "Daughter with cancer - doctors pushing for chemo ASAP. My daughter was diagnosed with Retinoblastoma on Feb 15. She underwent enucleation surgery. removal. on Feb 22. The Surgeon said that the MRI showed that a small amount of tumor had advanced beyond/behind the socket. and that he was unable to get it all. The MRI did not show anything beyond that. We received clearance from the Surgeon and our primary care physician to ?y with her on our previously booked (but rescheduled) ?ights to Phoenix to attend my sister-in-laws wedding this Saturday. We are currently en-route. I just received a call that they want to start chemo on Thursday. We do not want to subject our little girl to full blown chemo. We want to 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. employ integrative therapies (Alternative. complementary. perhaps IPT lowdose chemo. Intravenous Laetrile or Vitamin C. Hyperthermia. Oxdative therapies. DMSO. etc.). but we have no funds. We realize that we are likely ill for a ?ght with CPS and will undoubtedly need some help with that as well. We are currently scheduled to be in Phoenix until Sunday night. I see that you have a fundraiser planned on Thursday evening in Tempe. Perhaps we could meet with someone then. or maybe before? Please help if you can. Robert" The second email was dated 3-4-13. It was from "Deb Maynard" and it was addressed to both Robert and Grace. The subject of the message was titled. "Research". The content of the email was as follows: "Dear Robert and Grace. Been doing lots of studying. Below is a list of some of what I have found so you might have an idea of some more possible altemative treatments Dr. Martha might suggest when you meet with her on Tuesday. Also. I?m thinking that perhaps Grace might want to think of incorporating some of these things into her diet and routines. Just a thought. I love you all. Mimi" Below the message was a long list of foods and other items. Included in that list was "Laetrile (Apricot seeds)". Grace?s cell phone. the Samsung ?ip phone. and the Motorola ?ip phone. which was seized from the Maynards? residence in Maine. were also examined. Det. Litch?eld determined that neither of those phones had any type of web internet history saved on them. Grace?s cell phone. the Samsung ?ip phone. had no call history or text messages saved on it. either. The Motorola ?ip phone had the same phone number assigned to it as Robert? 5 Samsung Galaxy and it appeared to be a phone he had prior to obtaining the Galaxy. There was call history saved on that phone. but it wasn?t dated. There were also text messages saved on that phone. The most recent text was an incoming message dated 11-7-12. I reviewed the contents of those text messages and determined none of them included the keywords Laetrile. amygdalin. and/ or Vitamin B17. Regarding the Dell Inspiron desk top computer and the Toshiba external hard drive. which were seized from the Maynards? residence in Maine. Det. Litch?eld recovered many of the same emails that were found on Robert? 5 cell phone. including the email to on 2-26-13. Based on the email from Robert to Fish at the Fullness of Life Foundation. which was dated 2-26-13. Robert and Grace were well aware of the advanced stage of 5 condition and they had been advised she needed irmnediate treatment. However. they did not want to pursue chemotherapy. as recommended. Rather. they were interested in pursuing integrative therapies. one of which was "Intravenous Laetrile". See Det. Litch?eld? 5 supplement and forensic report for further. During the search warrant on the Maynards? residence in Maine. a red folder labeled was seized (Property ID #902917). Inside the red folder was an email from Delta Airlines to Robert Maynard at . The email was dated 2-25-13 at 3 :41 pm. It included an itinerary for Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel (Con?rmation #l According to the itinerary. Robert and Grace were scheduled to ?y from Boston to Phoenix on 2-26-13. Their return ?ight. Phoenix to Boston. was scheduled for 3 -4-1 3. On 11-21-13 I obtained a Subpoena Duces Tecum 603 GJ 141-001 from the Maricopa County Superior Court for all records related to Robert and Grace?s travel itinerary with Delta Airlines. On 11-22-13 I faxed the subpoena to Pam Fears at Delta Airlines? Corporate Security Of?ce. A copy of the subpoena. including the Certi?cate of Service. is attached to this report. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) PAXSON. On 11-25-13 I received an email from Pam Fears at Delta Airlines. Attached to her email were records related to Robert and Grace?s trip to Arizona. The records included the following documents: Credit Card Transactions for R. Maynard: Credit Card Token Information for R. Maynard and G. Daniel: Electronic Ticket Records for both Robert J. Maynard and Grace L. Daniel: DL Record Locator for Con?rmation it and PNR (Passenger Name Record) for Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel. I copied all the records I received from Delta onto a CD. The CD was then later impounded as evidence. I reviewed the records I received from Delta and then contacted Pam Fears via email for clari?cation. In doing so. I learned the following: On 1-8-13 tickets were purchased via the intemet at Lowestfare.com for Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel to ?y from Bangor. Maine to Phoenix. Arizona on 2-23-13. Their return ?ight. Phoenix to Bangor. was scheduled for 3-4-13. 011 2-20-13 Delta received a phone call requesting those tickets be changed due to a medical emergency involving Robert and Grace?s daughter. Delta documented the call and added comments to Robert and Grace?s PNR. Included in those comments was Dr. Mukai?s name and contact nlunber at Massachusetts and Ear Infirmary. The comments didn?t include who actually called to change the tickets. However. Robert 5 cell phone number. . was provided during the call as a contact number. Delta agreed to change Robert and Grace?s tickets and they waived all fees associated with the change. since it was related to a medical emergency. 011 2-25-13 Delta received another phone call from someone representing the Maynards. At that time. the Maynards? initial plane tickets were exchanged for tickets 011 a ?ight. which was scheduled to ?y out of Boston on 2-26-13 at 2:29 m. and arrive in Phoenix at 8:01 1n. that evening. Their return ?ight remained scheduled for 3-4-13 at 1:59 arriving back in Boston at 10:47 a 111. On 3-4-13 Robert and Grace didn?t show up for their return ?ight out of Phoenix. Ten days later. on 3-14-13. which was the day after died. Robert and Grace contacted Delta Airlines and re-scheduled their return ?ight for 3-17-13 at 12:59 a arriving back in Boston at 7:05 am. They used the value of the tickets from the return ?ight on 3-4-13 to purchase their new return ?ight on 3-17-13. When I asked Ms. Fears if Robert and Grace could have contacted Delta at any time during these ten days and used their "credit". she told me they could have. Ms. ears said Robert and Grace could have contacted Delta at any time after they didn?t show for their ?ight on 3-4-13 and used the "credit" from those tickets to purchase new tickets. The emails I exchanged back and forth with Ms. Fears were printed and later impounded as evidence. When Det. Lockerby and I met with Dr. Horn and Mr. Wade at the OME on 8-21-13. they told us about a substance called amylnitrate. which they described as being an antidote for cyanide poisoning. Dr. Horn said he believed most hospital emergency rooms stocked amylnitrate to treat cases of cyanide poisoning. On 11-26-13 I contacted Scottsdale Healthcare to inquire whether or not they stocked or had access to amylnitrate for cases of cyanide poisoning. I was referred to Susan Balentine in the hospital? 5 legal department. I spoke to her brie?y about the incident involving and the information Dr. Hom had given me regarding amylnitrate and how it was used to reverse suspected cyanide poisoning. When I asked Ms. Balentine if she knew whether Shea had access to amyhiitrate. she told me she wasn?t sure. She said she would research the matter and then let me know. On 12-12-13 Ms. Balentine contacted me and advised that SHC no longer used amylnitrate. She said the hospital currently utilized an injection of sodium nitrate to treat patients with cyanide poisoning. On 12-17-13 I contacted Dr. Kris Samaddar by telephone. Dr. Samaddar was the doctor who treated in the emergency room at Scottsdale Healthcare on 3-13-13. During my conversation with Dr. Sarnaddar. I explained to him that I wanted to set up a time to interview him regarding his involvement with her parents. and Dr. Grout that night. In particular. what information he was given when arrived in the ER. her condition. and what he would and/ or could have done had he known was possibly 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: (600) prsoN. suffering from cyanide toxicity. Dr. Samaddar agreed to meet with me. However. he requested his attorney also be present for the interview. He told me he would call me back to set up an interview. On 2-25-14. after not hearing back from Dr. Samaddar. I called his of?ce and left a message for him. I spoke to the of?ce manager. Mary Daslmow. who told me she would pass the message on to Dr. Samaddar. On 2-25-14 Detective Lockerby and I contacted Dr. John Murphy at his of?ce at A11 Oasis of Healing in Mesa and conducted a follow-up interview with him. The interview began at approximately 11:45 am. and it lasted for about ?fty minutes. It was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. Transcripts from the interview. along with a summary of the information Dr. Murphy provided. are attached to this report. During our interview with Dr. Murphy that day. he told us that he wrote a protocol for administering B17 (Laetrile). "Supervision of B17 Use Protocol". He said he shared that protocol with Dr. Martha Grout and she presented it to the Arizona Board of Homeopathic and Integrated Medicine in the fall of 201 1. Dr. Murphy said he believed the board reviewed the protocol that fall and then approved it. When I asked Dr. Murphy where I could ?nd a copy of that protocol. he told me. can get you a copy of it." He said he would email a copy of it to me later that day. but then he never did. On 2-26-13 I contacted Christine Springer. the Executive Director at the Arizona Board of Homeopathic and Integrated Medicine. I explained to her what Dr. Murphy had told me regarding the B17 protocol he wrote. which he said Dr. Grout presented to the Board in 2011. When I asked Ms. Springer if the Board had a copy of that protocol on ?le. she told me she wasn?t sure. Ms. Springer said she wasn?t familiar with it. She told me she would research the matter and then call me back. Ms. Springer called me back later that afternoon. I wasn?t available when she called. but she left a message for me. In the message she left. Ms. Springer said she had reviewed Dr. Grout?s ?le. including all the protocols Dr. Grout had ?led over the years in compliance with the Board?s rules and regulations concerning experimental therapies. and she found nothing regarding Laetrile or amygdalin. Ms. Springer said she also reviewed some of the Board? 5 general ?les concerning alternative therapies that were considered experimental and she found nothing ?led by Dr. Grout in those ?les. either. Lastly. Ms. Springer advised she reviewed the minutes from the Board Meeting in November 2011. as well as the Board Meetings in 2010 and 2012. and she found no record of Dr. Grout presenting any type of Laetrile protocol to the Board. I copied Ms. Springer 5 voice message onto a CD. The CD was later impormded as evidence. During my interview with Dr. Murphy on 2-25-14. he told me his wife. Debbie Murphy. was a physician?s assistant and she worked at the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine. He told me Debbie wasn?t at the night died. but she was aware of the incident. Dr. Murphy provided me with Debbie? 5 cell phone number: On 2-27-13 I attempted to contact Debbie by calling her on her cell phone. She wasn?t available. so I left a message requesting she return my call. Debbie called me back on 3-3-14. However. I was out of the of?ce. I returned her call on 3-14-14. but she wasn?t available. I left another message requesting she return my call. but I never heard back ?om her. No interview with her was ever conducted. On 3-14-14 I went to the Arliba Mexican restaurant located at 15236 N. Pima Rd. in Scottsdale. Based on information obtained from Dr. Grout? 5 "Case Review" of the incident involving and on information Joy Walker provided during my interview with 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:36:41 Added By: PAXSON. 1 her. it is believed Robert and Grace took to a nearby Aniba? after they left Dr. Grout' 5 of?ce and that was where they were when ?rst became It should be noted. the Aniba?s on Pima Rd. is located approximately 2 miles away from Dr. Grout? of?ce. I met with the manager. Ben Haro. at Arriba? that day and explained to him that I was investigating an incident involving a family that may have been in the restaurant on the evening of 3-13-13 and had to leave abruptly during their meal due to some sort of a medical issue with their child. When I asked Mr. Haro if he recalled an incident like that. he said he didn?t. but he wasn?t working at the restaurant on 3-13-13. either. Mr. Haro offered to provide me with a list of the employees that were working that aftemoon and evening. The list he gave me included the names of ?ve employees: John Camille. James Freed. Domenech Jaralillo. Taylor Verkamp. and Marshall Loring. Of those ?ve. Mr. Haro said only James Freed was still employed at the restaurant. James was working that aftemoon. I then met with him brie?y and explained the nature of the investigation to him. When I asked James if he recalled an incident like that occurring about a year ago. he told me he didn?t. I then showed James pictures of Robert Maynard. Grace Daniel. and all of which were taken around March 2013. When I asked him if he recognized anyone in the pictures. he said he didn?t. The pictures were preserved and later impounded as evidence. I later obtained a phone nlunber for Taylor Verkamp: . I called him on 3-18-14 and attempted to schedule a time to meet with him. Taylor agreed to meet with me. but he said he didn?t have time that week. He said he would call me back. but then he never did. None of the other three Arriba employees were ever located and no other interviews were conducted. On 3-28-14 I received a voice message from Dr. Samaddar. I returned his call on Tuesday 4-1-14. During that conversation. Dr. Samaddar told me he had consulted with legal counsel and he was willing to speak to me over the phone. My interview with Dr. Samaddar lasted for approximately twenty minutes. I attempted to record the interview. but due to equipment failure. the interview was not recorded. A summary of the information Dr. Samaddar provided is attached to this report. That concluded my involvement with the investigation. This case will be submitted to the Maricopa County Attomey? 5 Of?ce for review regarding criminal charges. End of supplement. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:33:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 3-19-13 I contacted DR. ERIC GRABOWSKI by telephone and spoke to him about his involvement with and his interaction with her parents. The following is a srunmary of the information Dr. Grabowski provided. I began the conversation with Dr. Grabowski by brie?y explaining the events that occurred with and her parents on 3-13-13 in Arizona. Dr. Grabowski told me he and Dr. Shizuo Mukai. an ophthalmologist and retinoblastoma expert at Massachusetts and Ear In?nnary comprise a team in the Boston area. He said was referred to them by Dr. C. William Lavin in Maine because there was no facility in Maine that could perform the surgery needed. Dr. Grabowski said Dr. Mukai met with the Maynard family on 2-12-13 and concluded that did. in fact. have retinoblastoma. He said Dr. Mukai scheduled for surgery (enucleation of her right eye). Dr. Grabowski said he then met with the Maynard farme on Thursday 2-14-13. He described as a "lovely little girl". who was "quite alert". Dr. Grabowski said the tumor was very local. He said it was behind her right and it was pushing her forward. Dr. Grabowski said had some local edema and swelling aroruld her and her temple. but otherwise her exam would have been nomral. Regarding her history. Dr. Grabowski said the family told him that had been for the past seven months and that she had been receiving homeopathic care in Maine. Upon examining Dr. Grabowski said he detemlined that she needed urgent brain imaging (MR scan of the brain). When he learned the Maynard family didn?t have insurance. he asked his hospital in Boston about free care for He said he was told "No" because was eligible for Medicaid in Maine. Dr. Grabowski said he then provided the Maynards with information regarding how to apply for Medicaid in Maine and arranged for them to see Dr. Larsen at the Maine Cancer Center in Portland. Iva. Dr. Grabowski stayed in contact with the Maynard farme and urged them to have tumor staged. which was later arranged to be performed by Dr. Sarah Fryberger in Bangor. ME because she was closer to where the Maynards lived. Dr. Grabowski said shortly after Dr. Mukai performed the surgery on (2-22-13). he and Dr. Mukai heard that the Maynard farme had left Maine and had gone to Arizona. He said upon hearing the news. he contacted Robert Maynard by telephone and asked him why he left Maine. Dr. Grabowski said Robert told him that they had a wedding to attend and that Dr. Mukai gave them permission to ?y to Arizona. Dr. Grabowski said he then contacted Dr. Mukai who told him that wasn?t true. He said Dr. Mukai told him that Robert asked him if could be on a plane. which he said she could. but Robert never asked him if they could travel to Arizona. Dr. Grabowski said he then told Robert. "The wedding is not as important as your child?s life. You should get back to Maine as soon as possible because she needs urgent evaluation. Her life is at risk." 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:33:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. Dr. Grabowski said he remained in contact with Dr. Fryberger and when the Maynards didn?t return to Maine. Dr. Fryberger found a pediatric retinoblastoma specialist in Phoenix and arranged for to be seen there (Dr. Pooja Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital). He said when the Maynards missed 5 appointment at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. both he and Dr. Fryberger became increasingly concerned. Dr. Grabowski told me both he and Dr. Fryberger attempted to reach Robert by calling his cell phone. but he did not answer their calls. He said they both left messages for him telling him it was "very urgent" that be seen as soon as possible. Dr. Grabowski said Robert didn?t take their phone calls. nor did he return them. He said both he and Dr. Fryberger then contacted the Department of Health Services in Maine and made reports of child neglect. Dr. Grabowski described retinoblastoma. which was the type of cancer had. as a rare and uncommon disease. He said he had been involved in 20 -30 cases of very advanced retinoblastoma and he had probably seen approximately 300 - 400 cases of it over the years. Of the very advanced cases he had seen. Dr. Grabowski said it was his experience that the patients did not die suddenly from their tumors. He told me when retinoblastoma progressed to the brain. the result was a lingering death. Prior to death. he said he would expect to see a change in the patient? 5 mental status and they would be unable to take anything by mouth. When I explained to Dr. Grabowski that had a picnic llulch in the park between 1:00 pm. and 2:00 pm. that a?emoon and then her parents took her to Dr. Grout?s of?ce. where she was given approximately 3 cc of Laetn'le by mouth. Dr. Grabowski said if was awake. alert. and able to take the Laetrile by mouth. it is unlikely she died from retinoblastoma. He said it was his opinion that 5 death came on too suddenly to have been caused by a tumor in her brain. Dr. Grabowski told me that in all the years he had been taking care of children with advanced tumors. all of the children he had seen were from poor. impoverished families or third world countries and they didn?t have access to medical care. He said there was one exception. which involved a child with a very rapid disease and there was nothing that family could have done differently. Dr. Grabowski said this was the ?rst time he had seen direct child neglect. He said the Maynard family had access to medical care that could have changed the outcome. but they chose not to pursue it. Dr. Grabowski said. "This is child neglect and this child did not have to die." Dr. Grabowski told me he met Robert and Grace one time. which was at appointment on 2-14-13. During that appointment. he told me he noticed that Robert held and every time he would ask Grace a question. she would look at Robert and then Robert would answer. Dr. Grabowski said he had a strong suspicion that Grace was a battered wife. He said she reminded him of a woman from 150 years ago. who was dominated and brow beaten by the husband. Dr. Grabowski said Robert?s father. previously identi?ed as Todd Maynard. was also present for the appointment on 2-14-13 and he "kind of steered" Robert and Grace toward altemative treatments for Dr. Grabowski told me there was no birth certi?cate on ?le in Maine for nor was there any record of her receiving any vaccinations or immunizations. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdalc.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:42:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 3-19-13 I contacted DR. C. WILLIAM LAVIN by telephone and spoke to him about his involvement with and his interaction with her parents. The following is a of the information Dr. Lavin provided. I began the conversation by identifying myself and explaining to Dr. Lavin that I was investigating 5 death. I told him I was calling to con?m1 the information he had previously provided in his letter to Investigator Ramirez. The following is a smnmary of the information Dr. Lavin provided: Dr. Lavin con?rmed that Robert and Grace initially took to see Dr. Christopher Maloney. a naturopathic doctor in Maine. He said Dr. Maloney then referred to him. Dr. Lavin con?rmed as soon as he saw he irmnediately recognized the severity of her condition and referred her to Dr. Mukai and Dr. Grabowski in Boston. He con?rmed Dr. Mukai performed the surgery on without receiving any compensation. due to the fact that the Maynard family did not have insurance. He also con?rmed that was referred back to Maine. where she was eligible for Maine Medicaid. to have her tumor staged. Dr. Lavin said he saw for her post-op appointment on Monday 2-25-13. During that appointment. Dr. Lavin said he told Robert and Grace that the next step would be to stage the tumor to determine what type of chemotherapy would need. He con?rmed the staging had already been arranged to be conducted by Dr. Sarah Fryberger in Bangor. Dr. Lavin said when he told Robert and Grace that the tumor needed to be staged. they told him. "We?re not too sure if we want to have it done." He said they then provided him with literature from St. Jude?s Hospital and some naturopathic clinics in Arizona. Dr. Lavin said Robert and Grace were interested in vitamin therapy for not traditional chemotherapy. He said when he offered to arrange for to be treated at St. Jude?s Hospital at no cost to the family. they refused his offer. Dr. Lavin said they told him they didn't want to take to St. Jude?s because St. Jude? 5 killed babies with high dose chemotherapy. During that appointment. Dr. Lavin said Robert told him they were leaving for Arizona the next day (Tuesday 2-26-13) to attend a wedding there and that they would be back to Maine on Friday 3-1-13. 011 Friday 3-1-13 Dr. Lavin said he contacted Robert by telephone. During that phone call. he said Robert told him. "We?re not coming back. We?re going to have the care down here." Dr. Lavin said that was when he and Dr. Fryberger arranged for to be seen at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. Dr. Lavin said when he contacted Robert to ?nd out how the appointment at PCH went. Robert told him that PCH wouldn?t treat because they didn?t have any money. Dr. Lavin said he then contacted PCH and learned that wasn?t true. He said PCH told him that when they explained to Robert that the entire process would take one to two weeks and that they would need to verify his identity in order to register Robert told them he couldn?t stay in Arizona that long and that he was going to Mirmeapolis. Dr. Lavin said he then called Robert back and confronted him with the information PCH had provided. He said Robert told him. "No. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. canary Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:42:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. no. no. I don?t want to go to Minneapolis. I?ll be back Doctor. I?ll be back to Maine." Dr. Lavin said he waited three days and when he didn?t hear from Robert. he called him again. During that phone conversation. Dr. Lavin said Robert told him they weren?t returning to Maine after all. He said Robert told him they liked the weather in Arizona and they had decided to stay. Dr. Lavin said Robert told him was going to receive chemotherapy in Arizona. but he didn?t say Where she was going to receive the treatment. nor did he say what type of chemotherapy she would receive. Dr. Lavin said when he told Robert he didn?t think that was a good idea. Robert told him. "We?re not coming back." Approximately four or ?ve days later. Dr. Lavin said he received a phone call from Investigator Ramirez. who noti?ed him that had died. During that conversation. Ramirez provided Dr. Lavin with information regarding the events that occurred at Dr. Grout? 5 of?ce on 3-13-13. Dr. Lavin then spoke to me about that day. He told me it was his understanding that received the intravenous form of Laetrile by mouth. which he said was the lethal way to administer Laetrile. Dr. Lavin said Laetrile should only be administered intravenously and only by an oncologist. He said it was his understanding that the doctor who administered the Laetrile to that day was a board certi?ed ER doctor with a "holistic MD background". Dr. Lavin said. "She did something in an of?ce that she shouldn?t have been doing and wasn?t quali?ed for doing." Dr. Lavin said the doctor (Dr. Grout) should not have treated at all until had been traditionally staged. He said the treatment for Stage 3 cancer was different than the treatment for Stage 4 cancer. Dr. Lavin said he believed both 5 parents and the doctor that administered the Laetrile to her acted negligently. He told me the type of cancer had was highly correctable and she shouldn?t have died from it. End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBell Rd. Scottsdale.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:52:00 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 3-16-13 I interviewed JOY WALKER (Daniel) at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. My interview with Joy began at approximately 3:40 n1. and it lasted for about 28 minutes. The following is a summary of the information Joy provided. I began the interview with Joy by explaining to her why we were investigating 5 death. I further explained that we had received very little information up to that point regarding her disease. and any treatments she may have received while she was in Arizona. I then asked Joy if she had any information that may help us understand what happened. The following is a summary of the information she provided. Joy told me she and her husband. James Walker. were just married on 3-2-13 and that was the wedding that Robert. Grace. and had traveled to Arizona for. After the wedding. Joy said she and James left Arizona and went to Mexico for their honeymoon. About half way through their honeymoon. Joy said James told her that Robert and Grace had remained in Arizona to seek treatment for and that they were staying with his parents in Gilbert. who were previously identi?ed as Bruce and Margaret Walker at Regarding the events that occurred on 3-13-13. Joy stated Robert. Grace. and met her for a picnic lunch between 1:00 and 2:00 m. that afternoon at a park near her work in Phoenix. She described as being "great" and "smiley and happy" when she saw her that afternoon. During the lunch. Joy said ate salad. cheese. apples. and oranges. all cold food: nothing suspicious that would have made her sick. After lunch. Joy said Robert and Grace dropped a load of her husband. James? . belongings off at her house at . in Phoenix and then they took to a doctor? 5 appointment. Joy said the last time she saw was in the park at lunch that day. She said Robert and Grace didn?t tell her much about 5 doctor appointment that day before they went. She said they told her that they had an appointment somewhere off the north 101 freeway. Joy said they didn?t say what kind of doctor they were taking to. nor did they say what type of appointment it was. She said she didn?t know if appointment that day was supposed to be a "talking appointment". like a consultation. or more of a "do-something" appointment. like receive treatment. She said Robert and Grace didn?t say anything about what was supposed to happen at the appointment. Joy said all the information she had about what happened that day came from her sister. Grace?s. blog "gracieworks". She said Grace had been blogging about 5 condition and treatment 011 there. Based on infonnation she read on Grace?s blog. Joy said she believed Robert and Grace took to an Arriba?s Mexican restaurant to get something to eat after the doctor appointment. Joy said she didn?t know which Arriba restaurant they went to. but 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:52:00 Added By: (600) prsoN. she said she assumed it was located nearby the doctor?s of?ce because Grace wrote on her blog that very quickly after they got their food. started acting strange. so they went back to the doctor?s of?ce. She said Grace wrote on her blog that was still breathing when they arrived there and then the "lady" called 911 and the ambulance came. Joy said she received a phone call at 7:30 m. that night. She didn?t say who called her. but she said they told her to come to the emergency room at SHC. Joy said she was told that hadn?t been breathing on her own for the past twenty minutes. She said she and James then went to the hospital. but passed away before they got there. Joy said she didn?t know anything about what happened at doctor appointment that day. She said neither Robert. nor Grace had shared anything with her and she hadn?t asked them about it. either. Joy said she didn?t know what caused 5 death. She told me she heard someone say something about her "heart" or "her breathing". which didn?t seem to be related to her condition. Based 011 that. Joy said she thought must have died ?om Sudden Infant Death but they were waiting to hear about the results from the autopsy to know for sure. I explained to Joy that SIDS usually involved babies much younger than and that based on the infonnation we had gathered up to that point. there was a possibility that 5 death was directly related to the treatment she received at her doctor appointment earlier that aftemoon. I told her we wouldn?t know for sure. though. until we received the toxicology results from her autopsy. When I asked Joy if Robert or Grace had said anything about that since they were the ones who took her there for the treatment that day. she told me. "Obviously they trusted her (the doctor). They are such researchers. They research everything before they do it." Joy said Robert and Grace researched the doctor before they took to see her that day. She said they believed the doctor was a good doctor because she had been an ER doctor for many years prior. When asked about the treatment they chose to pursue for and any research they may have conducted. Joy said Robert and Grace didn?t share any information with her about that. She said it was her understanding that 5 condition was just diagnosed about a month prior. Joy said that was when Grace ?rst started blogging about it. She told me she and Grace don?t see each other very often because Grace is in Maine and she is in Arizona. nor do they talk on a regular basis. Joy said. "We have very separate lives." She said. "Everything I know about what they were seeking for treatment. I read in my sister?s blog." When I asked Joy if she thought it was more Robert?s decision or Grace? 5 decision to seek more of a naturopathic holistic treatment for compared to a more conventional treatment. such as chemotherapy. she told me. wouldn?t say it was one or the other. Joy said she believed Robert and Grace were in agreement when it came to making those types of decisions for When I asked her about her family and 110w she and Grace were raised. she told me her family was very healthy. However. when they needed medical treatment. it was their preference to seek more of a naturopathic holistic approach. Joy said Robert? 5 family was also very much that way. When I asked Joy if either Robert or Grace had any religious beliefs that would dictate medical decisions they made for she told me. "Well. we?re a very strongly religious family and his as well. And so we?re very Christian." I then asked her if there was anything in their religion that prohibited them from going to a conventional emergency room. Joy told me there wasn?t. When asked about Robert and Grace's educational levels. Joy told me they both graduated high school. She said Robert was an independent contractor and he did construction jobs like roo?ng. Joy said Grace was a stay-at-home mom and she blogged. She told me Robert and Grace met at a Bible class and they had been together for a number of years. End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:53:26 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 3-20-13 I contacted DR. JONATHAN MURPHY by telephone and spoke to him about Laetrile. which was the substance Dr. Grout had administered to The following is a summary of the information he provided. Dr. Murphy is a licensed physician in Arizona. who specializes in internal medicine. pediatrics. and holistic medicine. He is one of the physicians at An Oasis of Healing in Mesa. AZ. I began my interview with Dr. Murphy by asking him if Clothild told him the reason I called. He said she did. Dr. Murphy said Clothild told him I had questions about a wrongful death involving B17 Laetrile. He said upon hearing that he told Clothild. "Well that?s my alley. I mean if anybody knows and uses it in the United States. it? 5 Michael Schachter in Suffem. New York and me here in Arizona." Dr. Murphy told me Laetrile comes in two forms: the liquid. injectable form (administered intravenously) and the tablet form (taken orally). He said Laetrile has been used to treat cancer in children. Dr. Murphy told me he had personally administered Laetrile to children as young as 5 years old. He said Laetrile is very safe as long as it is administered intravenously. When I asked Dr. Murphy whether or not it was acceptable to administer or to take by mouth the intravenous form for Laetrile. Dr. Murphy said. "If you were out of the oral form and you?d been taking it. you might try it. I suppose. but. no. I?ve never tried that before. I don?t think it?s something I would." I explained to Dr. Murphy that this case involved an 18-month old child who was given 3 cc of Laetrile by mouth. Dr. Murphy confmned that 3 cc of the injectable form of Laetrile would equal 1 gram - the equivalent of two oral tablets. When I asked him if that would be considered a normal dose to give a child that age. Dr. Mluphy said that if the Laetrile was given to the child by injection (intravenously). it probably wouldn?t have been too much. He told me that oral doses of Laetrile are usually not administered tuitil the patient has successfully had intravenous doses of it. Dr. Murphy said it was not common to give a patient their ?rst dose of Laetrile orally. When I asked him what the appropriate dose of Laetrile would be for an 18-month old child who weighed approximately 22 - 23 lbs. which was what I estimated weighed. Dr. Murphy told me he considered 150 mg - 250 mg an appropriate oral dose for a child that age and size. He said 3 cc of Laetrile (or 1 gram) was equal to 1000 mg. which was about four times the oral dose he would recormnend for a child that age and size. Dr. Murphy con?rmed retinoblastoma was a progressive disease and patients who died from it suffered a "misery of a death". He said retinoblastoma patients did not typically die suddenly. I then provided Dr. Murphy with the details of the investigation. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 EBcll Rd. Scottsdalc.AZ original Of?cer (1273) Jk Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:53:26 Added By: PAXSON, including a timeline of when was administered the Laetrile. 110w it was administered. and the she exhibited after receiving the treatment. When I asked Dr. Murphy his opinion regarding whether or not he believed may have died from complications related to Laetrile or to retinoblastoma. he told me the possibility existed that her death was related to the treatment she received that day. However. he said he would want to know if turned blue. experienced rapid breathing. or any other of cyanide toxicity prior to her death and he would also want to collect body ?uids to test for cyanide. In addition to issues regarding dosage. Dr. Mlupliy told me there were other factors that could cause cyanide toxicity. For example. he said cancer itself could make cyanide out of Laetrile and high quantities of microbes. such as an overgrowth of bacteria in a patient' 5 body. could produce the same result. When I asked him if there were any tests that he normally conducted on a patient prior to starting treatment with Laetrile to ensure it was safe to do so. he said that he normally started patients on Laetrile intravenously because Laetrile is non-toxic in its intravenous form. and then he would evaluate the patient? 5 response. Dr. Murphy said the only way Laetrile was found to be toxic was when it was force fed by mouth in massive quantities to lab animals. He stated there was also a case involving a man who had orally ingested a large quantity of apple seeds. which contain B17. Dr. Murphy said that man became cyanide toxic. too. He told me administering Laetrile intravenously was the way to treat a cancer patient. Dr. Murphy said he always administered it intravenously because he was able to give large doses safely. He told me there had never been a case of cyanide toxicity related to Laetrile when it was administered intravenously. I advised Dr. Murphy that the child in this case recently had surgery. I told him that should have been obvious to anyone who examined her because she was missing one of her eyes and she still had stitches. I then asked Dr. Murphy if it was practice for a physician to consult with a patients prior physician. in this case. the child?s surgeon. prior to starting alternative treatment. Dr. Murphy said that wasn?t common practice. but it was sensible. Toward the end of the interview. I asked Dr. Murphy if he knew Dr. Martha Grout. He told me he did. When I told him Dr. Grout was the doctor who had administered the Laetrile to the 18 month old child. Dr. Murphy said that surprised him. Dr. Murphy stated he believed 5 death was probably related to the dose of Laetrile she received. but he said the medical examiner would be the one to determine that. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:55:02 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On Thursday 3-21-13 I interviewed STEVEN SWERDFEGER at the (AZCAM) located at . in Scottsdale. The interview began at approximately 4:00 m. and it lasted for about thirty-?ve minutes. The following is a of the information Steven provided. Steven con?rmed he was Dr. Martha Grout? husband. He told me he and Martha had been married for thirty-one years. When I asked Steven about his education. background. and role at AZCAM. he told me he received his undergraduate degree in American Literature from Oswego State University in New York: his graduate degree in Theological Seminary from Princeton University: and his in Creative Writing ?om the Union Institute and University in Cincinnati. Ohio. Around 2000. Steven said he became interested in hypnosis. He said he had been practicing hypnosis since then and he currently provided that service at AZCAM. Regarding his wife. Dr. Martha Grout. Steven told me Martha practiced allopathic medicine and was an emergency room physician for twenty-?ve years. When I asked Steven when Martha switched from practicing allopathic medicine to naturopathic medicine. he told me. "She never did make a complete switch. She?s still - we do allopathic stuff here. too." Steven said Martha was quali?ed to practice both allopathic and homeopathic altemative medicine. He described Martha as being very practical. He said. "She wants to use everything that might help." When I asked Steven if Martha cmrently practiced medicine anywhere other than AZCAM. he told me she didn?t. When I asked Steven what type of allopathic treatments were conducted at AZCAM. he told me it would be better if I asked Martha that question because he wasn?t medically trained. In fact. he said. if there was an emergency in the of?ce. it was protocol that he remain in his of?ce and meditate for the person rather than get involved in the situation. I then spoke to Steven about the incident involving which occurred on Wednesday 3-13-13. Steven told me he was at AZCAM that day. He said he arrived there around 6:00 a m. and he left with his youngest daughter. Sarah. around 3:30 - 4:00 p.m that aftemoon. Steven said as he and Sarah were walking out. he saw the Maynards. who had just arrived for their appointment. He told me the Maynards were talking to people at the front desk when he approached them and introduced himself. Steven said that was when he learned the child?s name was He told me he didn?t recall the parents? names. but he described the "gentleman" as being tall and the "wife" as being shorter with brown hair. He said the wife was holding Steven said was yawning a little. like she had just woken up from a nap. When I asked him if was crying or unable to hold her own head up when he saw her. Steven said she wasn?t. I told him we had information that appeared "?oppy" later that aftemoon. Steven said. "Well. that was not apparent to me." 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:55:02 Added By: (600) prsoN. Steven said Martha then came out and greeted the Maynards in the lobby. He said he and Sarah then left and went home. At approximately 6:41 m. that evening. Steven said he received a phone call from Jen Katona. the nursing supervisor at AZCAM. He said Jen called him on his cell phone from Martha? 5 cell phone. He said Jen told him that was breathing slowly and they were concerned. Steven said he received a second call from Jen Katona at 6:52 p.1n. that evening. Again. he said Jen called him on his cell phone from Martha?s cell phone. During that call. he said Jen told him they had called 911 and they were on their way to the hospital. Steven said Martha returned home later that evening and told him that they had lost I asked Steven if Martha told him what she thought happened - why the baby died. He said she didn?t know. Steven said Martha told him she hoped an autopsy would be conducted to ?nd out. When I asked Steven if Martha talked to him about any medication she may have given that day. he said. think she was the child B17 if I recall." Steven wasn?t sure 110w the B17 was administered to though. Steven said that was the ?rst time Martha had lost a patient at AZCAM. He said she was devastated when she rettuned home that evening. End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:56:23 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On Thursday 3-21-13 I interviewed SHELLEY HEINLEY at the located at . in Scottsdale. My interview with Shelley began at approximately 5:22 m. and it lasted for about ten minutes. The following is a summary of the information she provided. Shelley told me she was a Patient Liaison and Nutritionist at She said her ?rst contact with the Maynard family was approximately 2 - 3 weeks prior when she received an email from a man who said his granddaughter had retinoblastoma. Shelley said she didn?t recall the man?s name. but she recalled he was searching for someone who knew about retinoblastoma and may have some answers for them regarding their next step. When I asked Shelley if the man mentioned in his email how old his granddaughter was she said she didn't recall. but he may have. I then asked her if treated patients under the age of 2 yrs. Shelley told me they did. She said they saw children that were able to walk and talk and get aroruld on their own. Shelley said didn?t see babies under the age of 12 months. but they saw toddlers. Upon receiving the grandfather?s email. Shelley said she wanted to set up a free 15-minute consultation with Dr. Grout. However. she said before she scheduled that. she contacted Dr. Grout because she wasn?t familiar with the child?s disease and she didn?t know if it was something Dr. Grout would be willing to consult on. Shelley said there had been times in the past when Dr. Grout had chosen not to get involved in a situation because it wasn?t something she wanted to do. Shelley said when she contacted Dr. Grout about the grandfather?s email. Dr. Grout was familiar with the child?s disease and she agreed to speak to the man. Shelley said she then scheduled a free lS-minute consultation. After the consultation. she said she scheduled the family? 5 ?rst appointment. Shelley didn?t recall the exact dates of when she scheduled the call or the appointment. Shelley told me she was at on 3-13-13. but she never saw the Maynards. Later that afternoon. sometime between 5:00 and 5:30 Shelley said she was in a medical meeting with Dr. Grout when Dr. Grout received a phone call on her cell phone. Shelley said when Dr. Grout answered her phone. she heard what sormded like a baby crying on the other end of the call. She said based on what she heard. she believed the call may last a while. Shelley said she had to get home to feed her horses. so she left the meeting while Dr. Grout was still talking on the phone. When she returned to work the next day. Shelley said Dr. Grout told her that had passed away. She said she later researched retinoblastoma on the intemet and learned it came with a lot of complications. so she assruned had succumbed to the disease. When I asked Shelley if anyone told her what type of treatment received during her appointment that day. she said. "No. not really." I then asked her if she was familiar with Laetrile. She told me she was. When I asked her if anyone told her that was given Laetrile that day. she said. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Hate Cd'me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On?Body Camera DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Case Number: 13-05991? Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ 7 0 Supplement Informatlon Supplement Page: - Added By: (600) PAXSON, Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:56:23 End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:57:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On Thursday 3-21-13 I interviewed KARISSA BROWN at the located at in Scottsdale. My interview with Karissa began at approximately 5:04 p.m. and it lasted for about six minutes. The following is a summary of the information she provided. Karissa told me she worked at the front desk at and she also assisted with billing. 011 3-13-13 she said she was at the front desk when the Maynards arrived for their appointment. Karissa didn?t know exactly what time the Maynards arrived that day. but she said their appointment was scheduled for 3:30 p.m. and they were "generally on time people". When I asked Karissa how many times the Maynards had been to she said their appointment on 3-13-13 was the second time they had been there. Karissa said she also worked the day the Maynards came in for their initial visit the week plior. When I asked Karissa what was like when she anived at 011 3-13-13. she told me. "She was cute and smiling." Karissa said 5 mom was carrying her. She con?rmed was alert and able to hold her own head up when she arrived that afternoon. When I asked Karissa if she noticed anything different about compared to when she came in the week prior for her initial appointment. she told me she didn?t. Karissa said. "She was just smiling both times." Karissa said she logged the Maynards in and then noti?ed the nurses and Dr. Grout that they were there for their appointment. Karissa said she was still at work that aftemoon when the Maynards left. She said she wasn?t sure exactly what time they left. but she said the appointments at generally last about an hour. so she estimated the Maynards left around 4:30 p.m. When I asked Karissa what time she left work that day. she told me "Probably no later than 5:30 She said the of?ce closed at 5:00 1n. and then she had to close the of?ce. Karissa said she was still at when the Maynards returned that afternoon. However. she said she never saw them. spoke to them. or had any contact with them. Karissa said she only knew that they returned because Dr. Grout told her that the Maynards had called and they were coming back. When I asked her if Dr. Grout mentioned why the Maynards were returning. she told me she didn?t. Karissa said it didn?t seem strange that the Maynards were coming back because sometimes people forgot things and they returned to get them. Karissa said she left the of?ce around 5:30 p.m. that day. She said she didn?t ?nd about the incident until the next day when she returned to work. Based on what she was told. Karissa said it was her understanding that wasn?t feeling well when she arrived back at She then stopped breathing: CPR was initiated: 911 was called: and she was transported to the hospital. but she didn?t make it. End of sununary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:53:52 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 6-24-13 I conducted a telephonic interview with Dr. Clnistopller Maloney. Dr. Maloney?s attorney. Mr. Walt McKee. was also present. The interview began at approximately 10:27 a m. and it lasted for about thirty-two minutes. The following is a summary of the infomlation Dr. Maloney provided. Dr. Maloney said he ?rst met the Maynards in December 2012. He told me he received a phone call from Robert Maynard on December 11th. During that call. Dr. Maloney said Robert talked to him about and explained the situation with her eye. He said when he told Robert he didn?t necessarily treat conditions and he thought should see an optometrist. Robert refused the referral. Dr. Maloney said he then scheduled an appointment for the following day and he saw for the ?rst time on December 12th. When he saw on December 12. 2012. Dr. Maloney said her was "re?ective and swollen". He said his immediate impression was that was suffering from severe glaucoma. Dr. Maloney said he shared his opinion with Robert and Grace that day and told them that needed to see an ophthalmologist. not an optometrist. He said he explained the difference between the two types of doctors and advised them to ?nd an ophthahnologist immediately. When Robert and Grace left his of?ce that day: Dr. Maloney said he assumed they would follow his advice. On January 22. 2013 and again on January 24. 2013. Dr. Maloney said he received phone calls from Robert Maynard. He said he spoke to Robert on the 24th and during that conversation. Robert told him they didn?t want to take to see an ophthalmologist. Rather. they wanted to see him again. Dr. Maloney said he then scheduled an appointment "as soon as possible" and got them in on January 28th. During the appointment on January 28th. Dr. Maloney said 5 condition was worse. He said. "The protrusion was less. but it was drooping. and the retina itself was displaced so the actual seeing part of the was off to the side now." At that point. Dr. Maloney said he had an extensive conversation with Robert and Grace. which lasted for about three hours. regarding faith and medicine. He told me he realized during that conversation that Robert was very invested in prayer as the sole solution for so he focused mainly on Grace as he explained how they could incorporate prayer and their church with ?nding a specialist to treat When I asked Dr. Maloney if he knew what church Robert and Grace belonged to. he told me he believed they belonged to the First Baptist church in . which he described as being a nondenominational Evangelical church that believed in "hands-on faith healing". At the end of the conversation on January 28th. Dr. Maloney said Robert and Grace agreed to seriously consider taking to see an ophthahnologist. He said he told them he needed to hear back from them that week regarding their decision. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:58:52 Added By: PAXSON. 1 On February 4. 2013 Dr. Maloney said he received two phone messages from Robert. In the messages he left. Robert told Dr. Maloney that they wanted to bring back to see him. He said they were considering treatment. but they did not want to have surgery. Upon receiving the messages. Dr. Maloney inmlediately began searching for an ophthalmologist for He contacted Dr. Gleaton in Augusta and she told him she didn?t treat children. He said Dr. Gleaton then referred him to Dr. Lavin. Dr. Maloney said he then called Dr. Lavin?s of?ce and spoke to his receptionist. He said he explained the situation to her and then together they came up with a plan for Dr. Lavin to see On February 6. 2013 Dr. Maloney said he called Robert and arranged to meet with them on February 8th. Dr. Maloney said when Robert and Grace arrived at his of?ce on February 8th. he handed them MapQuest directions to Dr. Lavin?s of?ce. He said he told them Dr. Lavin was expecting them and that they should go there immediately. Dr. Maloney said Robert and Grace then took to see Dr. Lavin. He said Robert called him later that afternoon and told him that Dr. Lavin believed had retinoblastoma and that her needed to be enucleated. Dr. Maloney said Robert told him that Dr. Lavin referred them to Boston for the procedure. Dr. Maloney said Robert stayed in contact with him during 5 procedure in Boston and during her recovery. When I asked him when he formd out that the Maynards were going to Arizona - before or after they went. Dr. Maloney said he knew about the trip before they left. He said. "It was mentioned in passing of a wedding in Arizona that was taking place." Dr. Maloney said the information about the trip was peripheral to what he was concerned about at the time. though. so he didn?t recall exactly what he was told. However. he said he recalled hearing that they were going out of state for a wedding and that was going with them. On February 28. 2013 Dr. Maloney said Robert arranged for him to receive a fax regarding the results from surgery. He said Robert then contacted him and asked him for his opinion regarding the results. Dr. Maloney said he reviewed the fax and then replied to Robert via email. He provided me with a copy of the email he sent to Robert. In that email. Dr. Maloney told Robert. looked over the fax. which says to me that there was no visible optic nerve involvement. but on microscopic review the surgery did not achieve a clear margin. Having no clear margin means that a piece of the tumor could continue to grow in the area. The request I read is for a lumbar puncture/ spinal tap to check and see if has tumor cells in her spinal ?uid. I think that is a very reasonable thing to do given the treatments being offered. and I would support getting a spinal tap as soon as possible. Once we have the tap. we?ll know where we stand in terms of treatment." 011 March 1. 2013 Dr. Maloney said Robert contacted him by telephone regarding a discussion he had with Dr. Lavin about how the doctors in Bangor (Dr. Sarah Fryberger) threatened to go to court to force treatment for He said that really upset Robert. Dr. Maloney said that was the last contact he had with Robert before died. Regarding the type of alternative therapy they were seeking for Dr. Maloney said Robert and Grace received a lot of information ?our a lot of people. He said they were open to anything. Dr. Maloney said one of the treatments they mentioned to him was IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy) from a clinic called Envita. which was located in Arizona. When I asked Dr. Maloney whether or not he was familiar with the substance Laetrile Vitamin B17. he told me. "It? a cyanide - cyanide extract from the apricot kernel." He described it as being "nasty". Dr. Maloney said he had never used it to treat any of his patients. nor did he know anyone that had used it to treat children. Dr. Maloney said there may be clinics in Tijuana. Mexico that utilize it to treat children. but he wasn?t sure. When asked if he was aware that had been given Laetrile when she was in 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On?Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Date Added: 02/01/2015 14:58:52 Arizona. Dr. Maloney said he didn?t know that. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:00:10 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 9-12-13 I met with CAROL DAVIS. the Operations Manager for the Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. and MICHAEL TIMMONS. a Financial Counselor for Phoenix Children?s Medical Group. and interviewed them regarding their involvement with the Maynard family. Also present for the interview was Evan Coppola. Assistant General Counsel for Phoenix Children?s Hospital. The interview took place at Phoenix Children?s Hospital in Phoenix. It began at approximately 3:10 pm. and it lasted for about thirty-three minutes. The following is a summary of the information Carol Davis and Michael Timmons provided. Carol and Michael said they became involved with the Maynards after Patricia Macias. a scheduler at PCH. called Robert on 3-1-13 to schedule 5 initial appointment with Dr. Hingorani. Dming that conversation. Robert told Patricia he didn't have insurance. so Patricia referred him to a fmancial counselor. which in this case was Michael Timmons. Michael said he received a call from Robert on March 4. 2013. During that conversation. he said he assessed the Maynards? needs. asked about insurance. and obtained general demographic infomlation. In doing so. Michael said he learned the Maynards were from Maine and that they were only in town for a few days for a wedding. Based on his experience with the oncology department. Michael said he didn?t believe a few days would be enough time for to be evaluated and treated. He said he shared his concern with Robert and told him he would call him back after he had spoken to the clinic and had more infonnation about 5 case. Michael said he then contacted Dr. Eshun and con?rmed 5 evaluation and treatment would not be completed in one visit. He said he. Carol Davis. and Marcia Soldavini. a social worker at PCH. then made a conference call to Robert and spoke to him about the situation. During that call. Michael said Robert con?rmed he was only in town for a wedding and he didn?t intend to stay in Arizona. Michael said they then explained to Robert that it wasn?t possible to complete what needed to have done in that time frame. He said they also spoke to Robert about ?nancial assistance and explained to him that that. too. took time. He said when they told Robert that he would need to provide certain items in order to receive ?nancial assistance. Robert told them that he didn?t have any ?nancial documentation. Michael said Robert told them that he did "odd jobs here and there" and that he had never ?led taxes. Michael said the ?nancials were "far back burner". though. He said if Robert would have wanted to stay in Arizona and have treated at PCH. they would have found a way for him to receive ?nancial assistance. Carol said during that conversation with Robert. she and Marcia explained to him that ?rst appointment would be a consultation with the doctor and then the doctor would decide whether or not to schedule a bone marrow biopsy to stage the nunor. She said Robert was told that the staging process would probably take about 2 - 3 weeks. Carol said she explained to Robert that once a patient was staged. PCH didn?t just "drop the case". She said she explained to Robert that if he wasn?t plalming on staying in Phoenix for treatment after the staging. it may be better for him to return to Maine and take her to a physician there. Carol 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:00: 10 Added By: PAXSON. 1 said she had already spoken to Dr. Lavin and he wanted the Maynards to return to Maine for treatment. When I asked Michael and Carol if they asked Robert if he would be willing to stay in Arizona and have evaluated and treated at PCH. they told me they didn?t. Michael said their conversation with Robert was based on what his intentions were. which were to return to Maine within the week. Michael said they offered to help meet the family? 5 care needs. but it wouldn?t have been appropriate for them to direct the family. When I asked Michael and Carol if they spoke to Robert about the severity of situation and the urgency of getting her tumor staged. they said they didn't "get real clinical". but they told him. per the doctors in Maine. that he needed to go back and seek medical care for I asked Michael and Carol if Robert ever mentioned anything about seeking altemative care for Carol said he may mentioned something to Marcia. but not to them. Michael said they ended the conversation with Robert that day by wishing him well and the best of luck with their doctors in Maine. He and Carol said that was the last contact they had with Robert. Carol said she and Marcia then had a conference call with Dr. Lavin on 3-6-13. During that conversation. she said they explained to Dr. Lawn that since Robert was planning to return to Maine and had no intention of staying in Arizona for the amount of time needed to stage and treat 5 tumor. they recommended he seek treatment for in Maine. She said Dr. Lavin told them that was different than what Robert had told him. which was that PCH had refused to treat because of ?nances. arol said Dr. Lavin told her needed irmnediate treatment and the minute she got off the plane in Maine. they would make sure she received it. She said Dr. Lavin was very upset and really wanted to return to Maine for treatment. Carol said Dr. Lavin was grateful and appreciative of their willingness to share the content of their conference call with Robert and he told them that he planned to call Robert right away that day. When I asked Michael and Carol if they ever met Robert Maynard in person. they told me they didn?t. They said all of their contact and conversations with him occurred over the phone. Carol said Robert never brought to PCH. As a result. no doctor at PCH ever saw her or treated her. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0.130113, Camera SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:03:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 4-3-13 Det. Lockerby and I met with DR. C. LAVIN and conducted a follow-up interview with him. The interview took place at Dr. Lavin?s o?ice in Waterville. Maine. It began at approximately 4:30 p.m. and it lasted for about an hour. The following is a of the information Dr. Lavin provided. On or around 2-7-13 Dr. Lavin said his secretary contacted him and told him that Dr. Christopher Maloney. a naturopath in Augusta. had a child that he wanted him to see. He said Dr. Maloney told his of?ce that the child?s parents were reluctant to seek treatment and that they were trusting God for healing. Dr. Maloney suggested possibly praying with the family at the start of the visit. Dr. Lavin said he agreed to see the child and he told his secretary to get the family in as soon as possible. Dr. Lavin said the ?rst time he saw was on 2-8-13 when her parents and paternal grandmother brought her to his of?ce in Waterville. He said when 3 parents arrived that day: they refused to sign any paperwork. such as the Release of Information form and the Permission to Treat form. Dr. Lavin said it was his impression the parents didn?t really want to be there. but they wanted him to see which he agreed to do despite the fact they refused to complete and sign the registration paperwork. Upon seeing Dr. Lavin said it was obvious she had a very large tumor in her right eye. When I asked him to describe what he observed that day. Dr. Lavin told me. "It was almost as if there was a golf ball sitting on the eye." He said the was "blind. red. sore. and in?amed". He told me. "The was It wouldn?t move. It was proptotic. or pushing out. He said. "The surface was cloudy. I knew that it was an tumor - an orbital tumor. some type of tumor that was in or aromld the eye. Most commonly at that age would be a retinoblastoma." In addition to the tmnor. Dr. Lavin said had neovascular glaucoma. which he described as being a rare form of glaucoma. caused by blood vessels forming in the eye. He said when the was healthy and the condition ?rst developed. the new blood vessels could have raised the pressure in the signi?cantly. which may have caused nausea. vomiting. and pain. However. he said by the time he saw on 2-8-13. the was dead and therefor the pressure within it was low. When I asked Dr. Lavin if 5 parents told him how long had been he said they didn?t. However. he told me unilateral retinoblastoma. which was what was diagnosed with. usually presented in children arormd the age of 15 - 16 months. However. he said it may be noticed in pictures of the child as early as 3 - 5 months. Dr. Lavin said if a person were to take a "head-on" picture of a child with retinoblastoma. the child?s healthy would have a red re?ex. The with the tumor would not. That would appear either white or black in the picture. Dr. Lavin said the babies he normally saw were between 12 - 16 months of age and they had an that "looked funny" in a picture. He said they were not proptotic. Based on what he observed when he saw on 2-8-13. Dr. Lavin said he believed her tumor probably presented earlier than the average retinoblastoma. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:03:40 Added By: PAXSON. 1 When I asked him if it was possible had been for ten months. which was what was documented in 5 patient ?le at Dr. Grout?s of?ce. he told me. "That would be about eight months old. Yeah. Yeah. At eight months of age you could have an abnormal red re?ex. Absolutely." Dr. Lavin said 3 parents. later identi?ed as Robert and Grace. were very quiet when they met with him on 2-8-13. He said they didn?t seem overly worried or concerned about 5 condition. Dr. Lavin said Robert held on his lap dining the appointment and Grace was in the comer of the room. He said Grace didn?t say much at all until he described the situation and told them that had a tumor that could kill her. Dr. Lavin said when he told Robert and Grace that he heard Grace whimper a little bit. After he told them about the tumor and how it could kill Dr. Lavin said he asked Robert and Grace if they would like him to pray with them. He said Robert then asked him. "Do you normally do that?" Dr. Lavin said he told Robert he didn? t. but he would be happy to. He said Robert didn?t say anything. so he didn?t pursue the matter. Dr. Lavin said he then told Robert and Grace. "If I pray for anything I will pray for you that you will go and seek treatment because this is not gonna get better with prayer therapy. It?s not gonna get better with homeopathic therapy or naturopatlric therapy. You have to have it removed." Dr. Lavin said he told Robert and Grace that the treatment would probably involve removing 5 eye. chemotherapy. and maybe radiation. He said Robert and Grace nodded and seemed to understand that 5 had to be removed. but there was no sense of urgency and they were a bit reluctant regarding the need for chemotherapy. At the end of the Visit. Dr. Lavin said he gave Robert and Grace all of his telephone numbers - the number to his of?ce. home. and cell phone. He said he told them he would contact the doctors in Boston and would call them as soon as he had more information. Dr. Lavin said as soon as the Maynards left his of?ce that day. he attempted to reach Dr. Mukai in Boston. He said Dr. Mukai wasn?t available. so he spoke to his fellow. who agreed to pass the information on to Dr. Mukai. Dr. Lavin said an appointment was then scheduled for in Boston on 2-12-13. He con?rmed then underwent surgery in Boston on 2-22-13. Dr. Lavin said he spoke to Dr. Mukai after the surgery and Dr. Mukai gave him post-op instructions. He said Dr. Mukai told him to examine and make sure there was no infection and then have her retrun the following week to have her sutures removed. On Monday 2-25-13 Dr. Lavin said Robert and Grace brought back to his of?ce for her post-op appointment. He said Robert? father. later identi?ed as Todd Maynard. was also with them and he played a prominent role during the appointment. Dr. Lavin said he told the Maynards. "Okay. The ?rst step is done." He said he told them he didn?t have the pathology report back. yet. but according to Dr. Mukai. the tumor was in the orbit. outside the globe. Dr. Lavin said he told the Maynards. "The child?s gonna need to have chemotherapy. probably radiation." Dr. Lavin said he told the family the next step would be to stage the tumor to determine if it was Stage or Stage IV. which would then determine what type of treatment would need. Dr. Lavin said Todd told him. don?t know ifI really want radiation for her." He said Todd then handed him some information regarding treatments at St. Jude?s Hospital as well as some information regarding Vitamin therapy at a clinic called the Oasis of Healing in Arizona. Dr. Lavin said when he told the family he would arrange for to be seen at St. Jude?s. Todd said. "But I hear people go down to St. Jude?s and they get high doses and they die." When I asked Dr. Lavin if either Robert or Grace said anything to indicate they wanted to take to St. Jude?s. he said they didn?t. He told me Todd did most of the talking during that visit. Dr. Lavin said when he told the family he would arrange for Dr. Sarah Fryberger to see and stage the tlmror. Robert told him. "Well I have to go to Arizona tomorrow." He said Robert told him they had a wedding they had to go to but they would be back by Friday (3-1-13). Dr. Lavin said he then reminded Robert that he had to see the following week to remove her sutures. He 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:03:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. said Robert assured him they would return to Maine on Friday 3-1-13. I asked Dr. Lavin if it was possible Robert and Grace may not have understood the urgency of the situation when he explained it to them. He told me he wasn?t. He said he was very clear when he told them. "Your child will die." Dr. Lavin said Grace whimpered a bit. but Robert and Todd were both very stoic when he told them that. He told me. "Maine has a lot of poor people - very. very poor people. These are not your typical backwoods people who are poor and uneducated. They seem to be educated. well-dressed. They were not disheveled." When I asked Dr. Lavin if Robert and Grace asked him intelligent questions. he told me. "Yes. more so than most parents." He said the average patient in Maine would not have researched altemative treatments for retinoblastoma. During that visit. Dr. Lavin said he also spoke to the family about insurance and he advised them that they probably quali?ed for Maine Care. which meant all the testing and treatments for would be free. He said Todd told him. "We don?t want to do Maine Care. We don?t do anything with the govemment." Dr. Lavin said Robert and Grace didn?t say anything. but they seemed to agree with Todd. On or around 2-28-13 Dr. Lavin said he received a phone call from Todd Maynard. He said Todd asked him to send all the information he had regarding surgery to Dr. Maloney. Dr. Lavin said Todd told him Dr. Maloney knew how to get in touch with Robert in Arizona and he would forward the infomiation to Robert. He said Todd called him back later and told him they had received all the information. During that phone conversation. Dr. Lavin said he told Todd that Robert must return to Maine. He said he told Todd he plamred to ?le a report with Maine? 5 Department of Health Services if Robert didn?t retmn. When Robert didn?t return to Maine on 3-1-13 as promised. Dr. Lavin said he contacted the University of Arizona. who then referred him to the Oncology Department at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. Dr. Lavin said he contacted PCH and spoke to Dr. Eshun. who then referred him to Dr. Hingorani. a retinoblastoma specialist. He said he and Dr. Fryberger both contacted PCH within ?ve minutes of each other and arranged for to be seen by Dr. Hingorani. Once the appointment was scheduled for at PCH. Dr. Lavin said he contacted Robert and advised him of the appointment. which was scheduled for Monday 3-4-13 at 2:30 pm. On Monday night 3-4-13 Dr. Lavin said he contacted Robert by telephone and asked him about the appointment at PCH. During that conversation. he said Robert told him he didn?t go to the appointment because he didn?t have insurance. On 3-5-13 Dr. Lavin said he contacted PCH and was advised that Robert?s lack of insruance wasn?t the issue. He said PCH told him they didn?t see because when they advised Robert that the staging process could take two weeks. Robert told them he couldn?t stay in Arizona that long. After speaking to PCH. Dr. Lavin said he called Robert and confronted him. He said Robert told him. don?t know what they are talking about. They wouldn?t see me because I don?t have insurance." Dr. Lavin said he told Robert he didn?t believe him. He said he then told Robert. "You have to come back up to Maine." He said when he offered to write a letter to expedite their return. Robert told him. "Well. my mother might because she was supposed to go back and she cancelled her ?ight." Dr. Lavin said Robert was more concerned about his mother returning to Maine than he was about returning. On 3-7-13 Dr. Lavin said he attempted to contact Robert by telephone. but was unable to reach him. He said he left a message for Robert stating it was "crucial" he return to Maine. Dr. Lavin said Robert called him back later that day and it was during that conversation that Robert advised him they had decided to stay in Arizona. He said Robert told him. "We?re gonna have treatment 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:03:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. down here." Dr. Lavin said when he asked Robert about the type of treatment and who was going to provide it. Robert didn?t answer. He said he told Robert. just want to let you know I will pray for you." Dr. Lavin said that was the last time he spoke to Robert. He said he had planned to let it set for a week and then call Robert again. but before he had a chance to do that. he received a phone call from the Medical Examiner in Arizona. who told him had died. Dr. Lavin said he didn?t think should have died that quickly. He said the only thing he could think of was that she died as a result of the medication she received that day. Dr. Lavin said when he spoke to Dr. Horn from the Maricopa County OME he learned that had received three to four doses of Laetrile. He said it was his understanding that Laetrile turns to cyanide in the gut and it should only be given intravenously. if given at all. Dr. Lavin told me he is a board certi?ed ophthalmologist. During his career. he said he worked one year as a specialist in pediatric ophthalmology at Massachusetts and Bar in Boston and he spent three months working in Africa. When asked if he had ever seen a case of retinoblastoma like 5. Dr. Lavin said he had seen one other case. He said when he was working in A??ica: a mother brought a child in to see him who had advanced retinoblastoma and a protruding eye. Dr. Lavin said that was the only other case he had seen and it was in a hut in Africa. He said. "When you look in literature. advanced retinoblastoma. it? 5 always a black child. Always a black child because it?s always in Africa where there?s no care." Dr. Lavin said he doubted Dr. Mukai had ever seen a case like that at Mass and Ear. He told me. would say 99% of pediatric alone will never see that like that at all. I mean. we?ll never see it in this country." End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:05:52 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 2-25-14 Detective Lockerby and I went to An Oasis of Healing in Mesa. We met with DR. JONATHAN MURPHY and conducted a follow-up interview with him. The interview began at approximately 11:45 a m. and it lasted for about ?fty minutes. The interview was digitally recorded (audio). The recording was later burned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. Transcripts from the interview. along with a summary of the information Dr. Murphy provided. are attached to this report. I began the interview with Dr. Murphy by explaining to him that when I interviewed him the ?rst time in March 2013. I didn?t know that he had worked with Dr. Grout. Dr. Murphy said. have. My wife still does." He told me his wife. DEBBIE MURPHY. was currently a physician?s assistant at the . When I asked Dr. Murphy if Debbie was at the night the incident happened with the baby he told me. don?t think she was." He told me he and Debbie hadn?t talked about the incident. However. he said he thought she probably knew about it. He just didn?t know to what extent. Dr. Murphy then asked me if I had a copy of the autopsy report. I told him I didn?t have a copy of it with me. I then advised him that the child had died from cyanide poisoning. Dr. Murphy then asked me. "But what were the thiocyanate levels?" He said. "Because frankly. in my experience. there? 5 just no way that B17. amygdalin. can become toxic to a person unless they have a signi?cant degree of dysbiosis. like bad bacteria." He said. "That would be the only way and even then. it?s only in theory. It?s never been shown to happen in concept." Dr. Murphy told me. "I?m really surprised that nobody has even consulted me other than you. If they were medical examiners worth their salt. they would have contacted me." He said "It only makes sense to talk to the person who?s done more than anybody ill this nation as far as the use of this to show its ef?cacy and its bene?t to people." When I explained to Dr. Murphy that cyanide was found in 5 cardiac blood. stomach. and intestines. he said. "And her bladder?" He then asked me. "But they didn?t pull any of the uveal blood or the bladder?" When I told him I didn?t have that information with me. he said. "These are all very important. I mean. in - in light of - you know. when we - what timeline together." He said. "You would be able to tell the evidentiary timeline of - of the ?uids as they accrunulate and as they occur." I then spoke to Dr. Mluphy about the evidentiary timeline I had put together. which included a two minute phone call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to his cell phone at 6: 15 pm. on the night of the incident. When I asked him about that call. Dr. Murphy said Dr. Grout called him that night and asked him if there was any way a person could become toxic on B17. He said he told her. "Not in my experience." When I asked Dr. Murphy if Dr. Grout told him that the patient was an 18-month old child. who weighed approximately 24 lbs. and 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:05:52 Added By: (600) prsoN. that she had given 3 of the injectable form of B17 orally: he told me she didn?t. Dr. Murphy said he thought Dr. Grout said she had given the patient 1000 mg. which would have been equal to 1 gram or 3 ccs. However. he said she didn?t mention the patient? 5 age. nor did she mention that she had administered the injectable form orally. Dr. Murphy con?rmed 3 (1 gram) of B17 Laetn'le. amygdalin) was the oral dose he would recommend for an adult. He also con?rmed that was approximately 4 times the amount he would recommend for a child. Dr. Murphy then said. "But even then. I don?t see that four times the amount you would recommend would be potentially toxic unless there? 5 another set of circumstances." I then asked him. again. about administering the injectable form orally. Dr. Murphy said. "I?ve never given the injectable form orally. Well. I?ve never given the injectable dose orally." When I asked him what he would have told Dr. Grout that night had she shared that information: Dr. Murphy said. would?ve told her that?s a mistake to give an injectable to the - by mouth." He said. "Because we usually give the oral by the mouth and the injectable by inj ectable." When I asked Dr. Murphy if Dr. Grout told him what the child?s were that night. he said she told him the child was vomiting. He said he then asked her if the baby was "blue" and she told him the baby was limp. but not cyanotic. I then spoke to Dr. Murphy about what may have happened had Dr. Grout advised Robert to take to the ER that night. Dr. Murphy said. "The ER may have tried to treat and - and literally resulted in death to the child. would be my fear." He said. "Because the one thing that I?m very careful is to not treat for cyanide toxicity when using amygdalin." Dr. Murphy told me. "You treat for cyanide poisoning and you actually convert a non-toxic into a cyanide toxicity." He said. "And very few emergency physicians outside the realm of toxicology know that. When I asked Dr. Murphy if he shared that infonnation with Dr. Grout that night. he said he believed he did. Dr. Murphy said he thought he told her. "Do not let an emergency physician treat ?em for cyanide." He said if he didn?t tell Dr. Grout that. it would have been an oversight on his part because he always volunteered that information. I then asked Dr. Murphy what the appropriate treatment would be for a person who may be suffering from cyanide poisoning related to the administration of amygdalin. He told me. would treat it with glutathione. Injectable." When I asked him if he shared that information with Dr. Grout that night. he told me he thought he did. but he didn?t recall if he mentioned it to her when she called him the ?rst time (6:15 p.m. before stopped breathing) or the second time (7:22 p.m. when was already in the ER at He said he recalled telling Dr. Grout. "If I were to treat it. I would treat it with glutathione." Dr. Murphy said he knew Dr. Grout stocked glutathione at the because his wife. Debbie. asked him if they had any extra one day. He said she told him they were low on supply and needed some at When I asked Dr. Murphy if Dr. Grout discussed calling 911 with him. he told me. "Gosh. you know. I think - I think maybe she did." When I asked him what would happen if a child came into An Oasis of Healing vomiting and experiencing difficulty breathing: Dr. Murphy said they would most likely call 911. He agreed waiting 90 minutes. which was about the amount of time that passed between Robert?s call to Dr. Grout and the 911 call. was a long time to wait. When Det. Lockerby asked Dr. Murphy why Dr. Grout called him that night. he said. "Because I?m the authority on Dr. Murphy said he even wrote up a protocol regarding the use of B17. which Dr. Grout then presented to the Homeopathic Board in 2011. When I asked Dr. Murphy where I could ?nd that protocol. he told me. can get you a copy of it." I then asked Dr. Murphy if the protocol addressed treating children as young as 18 months old. He told me it didn?t. He said statistically speaking. it was rare to treat a child that age. I then asked him if the protocol addressed administering the injectable form of B1 7 by mouth. He told me it 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:05:52 Added By: (600) prsoN. didn?t. Dr. Murphy said. "You just never do it." I then asked him why he thought Dr. Grout administered the injectable form to that day. He told me he didn?t know. He said the only thing he could think of was for expediency. to do it quicker. and to not stick a child in the muscle. Dr. Murphy said although he had spoken to Dr. Grout since the incident. he never asked her why she did that. Dr. Murphy agreed it would have been a good idea for Dr. Grout to have contacted him. or one of the other experts in the ?eld. Dr. Schachter in New York. Dr. Contreras in Mexico. Dr. Eslinger in Reno. or Dr. Navarro in Manila. prior to treating an 18 month old child with B17. Dr. Murphy con?rmed he contacted Dr. Grout after I spoke to him on 3-20-13. He said Dr. Grout thanked him for alerting her. He also said he sent Dr. Grout a couple of emails after we served the search warrant at her practice on 3-21-13. Dr. Murphy said the emails included multiple attachments that dealt with the safety and ef?cacy of B17. When I asked Dr. Murphy if there was any literature he could provide me with that recommended administering 1 gram of the oral form of Laetrile to an 18 month old child: he told me. don?t think there is any literature I can give you that says give the inj ectable orally." When I asked him if he knew of any other doctor that treated young children by administering the injectable form orally: he told me. "None that I know of. No. No. I?m pretty certain there? 5 not." Regarding the protocol he wrote. Supervision of B17 Use Protocol. Dr. Murphy said he wasn?t sure if the Homeopathic Board retained a copy of it or not. He said to the best of his recollection. when Dr. Grout returned from presenting it to the board in the fall of 2011. she told him they approved it. Dr. Murphy said he would email me a copy of the protocol when he got home that night. Toward the end of the interview. Det. Lockerby asked Dr. Murphy if he was aware of any research that supported what he had told us earlier regarding not treating suspected cyanide poisoning due to the administration of B17 with conventional cyanide poisoning remedies. Dr. Murphy then told us about a case study involving a child in New York. Joey Hofbauer. in 1978. He said Joey?s case was documented in the book. "Alive and Well" by Philip Binzel. Jr.. MD. As we were leaving that day. Dr. Murphy provided us with his wife. Debbie? 5. cell phone number. which he identi?ed as End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03x?13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:06:35 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 Interview Summary On 4-1-14 Det. I interviewed Dr. KRIS SAMADDAR over the telephone. The following is a summary of the information he provided: Dr. Samaddar recalled treating in the ER on 3-13-13. He said he was assigned to the critical area of the ER that night. meaning he handled cases like 5. where the patient arrived in severe distress. Dr. Samaddar said he recalled receiving a call from the EMTs that they were enroute with a "Code" patient. He didn?t recall what other information he was given at the time. nor did he recall whether he knew the patient was a child until she arrived in the ER. Dr. Samaddar said was in severe distress when she arrived and had been for quite some time. He said the ER staff took over CPR and administered various treatments in an attempt to revive her. however. she didn?t respond to anything they gave her. Due to 5 age. Dr. Samaddar said the ER staff continued to work her and tried to revive her for over thirty minutes before she was pronounced dead. Dr. Samaddar said he met with parents and a homeopathic doctor. who was with them that night in the ER. Dining that meeting. he said the homeopathic doctor. whom he described as being a shorter. somewhat heavy-set female. approximately 50 -60 years old. told him that was given amygdalin or Laetrile (he couldn?t recall which name the doctor used). Dr. Samaddar said in the ten years he had been practicing medicine. he had never heard of amygdalin or Laetrile. Later. after the incident with was over. he contacted a doctor who had been practicing medicine since 1987 and he asked him about Laetrile. Dr. Samaddar said that doctor told him the substance was popular years ago and was believed to kill cancer cells. However. since then. there had been cases involving people who used it and then died from cyanide toxicity. When asked whether or not the homeopathic doctor (Dr. Grout) ever told him that was possibly suffering from cyanide toxicity. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t recall. nor did he recall exactly when he ?rst learned about cyanide toxicity as it related to the administration of Laetrile. However. he said he did recall that when ?rst learned about it. was already gone and there was nothing that could have been done at that point to save her. Dr. Samaddar con?rmed the ER at Scottsdale Healthcare has access to "kits" to treat cyanide poisoning. He said they have to be ordered from the pharmacy. but they are available for emergency cases in the ER. Dr. Samaddar said there was no way to determine or guarantee that would have responded to the treatment in the kit. but. he said had she been brought into the ER at the ?rst sign of distress and had he been told that she was given amygdalin and that one of the possible complications related to the administration of amygdalin. especially when given in large doses by mouth. was cyanide toxicity. he would have ordered a kit and used it to treat 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:06:35 Added By: (600) prsoN. Det. Paxson explained to Dr. Samaddar what Dr. Jolm Murphy had told her regarding the typical ER treatment for cyanide poisoning and how had been given that treatment. it would have only made her condition worse. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t know anything about that. He then added that wasn?t breathing and her heart had stopped. Dr. Samaddar said he couldn?t think of any situation that was worse than that. When asked if the homeopathic doctor (Dr. Grout) told him who actually gave the dose of amygdalin. Dr. Samaddar said he didn?t recall if she speci?ed exactly who gave it to her or not. Dr. Samaddar said based on his conversation with the doctor. though. it was his understanding that she. the homeopathic doctor. gave it to When asked about his interaction with 5 parents. Dr. Samaddar said he recalled they were young. He said their reaction to 5 death was similar to that of other parents who lose a child in the ER. very sad. End of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONIC INTERVIEW WITH CHRISTOPHER MALONEY. N.D. ON 6-24-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Christopher Maloney N. D. Attorney Walt McKee DET. Today?s date is Monday. June 24. 2013. It? 5 approximately 10:27 am Arizona time. This will be a telephonic interview with witness Dr. Christopher Maloney. and he?s in Augusta. Maine. You guys are in Augusta right now. right? DR. DET. They?re in Augusta. Um. and also present for the interview. uh. the telephonic interview. is Attorney Walt McKee. M-C-K-E-E. correct. DET. that correct? DET. Um. and we?re just going to be - prior to the telephonic interview. Dr. Maloney through Mr. McKee had forwarded me. uh. his notes from his interactions. appointments. phone calls. etc.. with. um. the Maynards. Robert Maynard. and I?m not - I think it was pretty much Robert Maynard that he dealt with. Um. maybe Grace Daniels is in here. too. We?re - we?re gorma go over that. Okay. so I - do you guys have anything you want to add before we get started? that?s - no. DET. So I went through these. Dr. Maloney. and it looks like. tun. just based on the copies I got that maybe I got redacted copies of your phone log. and the parts that were redacted are maybe regarding patients that I?m not concerned with. ?cause then they - there would just be like a little section on each page: is that correct? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. So. if I?m - if I?m reading this correct. it looks like these phone calls. they started back in December of 2012. I think the ?rst one was December 11. 2012? DR. - yes. DET. And it - so this is a phone log. Did - did you - did you see the Maynards in December. or was there just some phone contact? DR. saw the Maynards the day after the ?rst phone contact. DET. So it looks like the ?rst phone con- phone contact if you?ve got the same document that I?m looking at. is De- December 11th is the ?rst day. ?rst phone call? DR. DET. it says Robert DR. DET. that - that?s the phone number he left to be - for you to reach him at? DR. DET. Um. and then your notes. it looks like "eyes looking" - can you read me your notes. tell me what - what this means here? DR. Eyes looking - refused referral to optometrist and then I initialed it. DET. re- re- refused referral? DR. optometrist. DET. PAXSON2T0 optometrist. What does that mean? DR. initials. DET. DR. means that Robert called me on December 12 - December 11. um. and when he talked to me about the situation. I said. uh. I don?t do eyes particularly and felt that he needed an optometrist. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. he said I?d really like to see you. and. uh. we made the appointment for the next day. DET. he say why he really wanted to see you and he didn?t want to see an optometrist? DR. he did not. DET. So. um. and this is Robert Maynard we?re talking about. It just says Robert here. but it was Robert Maynard? DR. didn?t - he - at that time he didn?t give me his last name. DET. He just said Robert. so you made an appointment. Did he tell you how old his daughter was or his daughter?s name that very ?rst phone call? DR. he did say his daughter?s ?rst name. So he talked to me - he had a daughter named and she had an condition. DET. so then it looks like he called again on the 12th? DR. DET. DR. down. DET. - in Waterville. coming down. Refused optometrist again. DR. DET. And what?s the numbers above the phone number? Is that a time and does it say 12:34 pm? DR. - uh. yeah. that would be 12:59 actually. DET. pm? DR. DET. So then. um. let?s just - let?s just talk about that. So they get there that afternoon? DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Tell me about that ?rst visit. DR. the fnst. um. notes I have. 1111. the ?rst patient page of notes. DET. I?ll go to that. DR. faxed it. you should have that as well. DET. I?ll go to that then. Okay. So that?s on the 12th. DR. MALONEY:(inaudible) DET. tell me. when you saw her. what did the look like and what did you think? DR. was re?ective and swollen. It. uh. basically it - there was - the (inaudible) the side of the eye. um. ?om. uh. and the immediate impression was that this is a glaucoma that?s very severe. DET. did you share that with the parents? DR. DET. DR. uh DET. was their response? I?m - I?m just trying to get a feel for when they ?rst had a doctor or somebody tell them hey. this is pretty serious. It?s probably a form of cancer. Um. what was their responsethat point. I did not diagnose it was cancer. DET. DR. diagnosed glaucoma which is. uh. a pressure within the eye. DET. DR. (inaudible) the is ver swollen and it?s re?ectivefairly short discussion that day about the eye. I had just said - I said this is - you need uh. to talk - follow up with an ophthahnologist versus an optometrist. We talked about the differences between those two people. um. and said. you know. you should go do that immediately; and the majority of that visit was actually spent talking. uh. with the mom. Grace Daniels. about her health and about how that would be supportive of. 11111. for if she had the surgery and how mom?s still nursing and that. you know. we - most of the notes there are discussing. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. uh. mom?s situation and how she had a number of health concems. as well. DET. So let?s see here. "Looks worse when she teethes. Goes up and down." DR. DET. sauerkraut. rice. millet." DR. MALONEY2A11 make it worse. DET. make it worse. okay. DR. the meats don?t seem to bother it as much. so we talked about the parents and why they. uh. their - their history and mom?s history as a child. Um. and then the plan was a discussion. immediate referral. and surgical options. DET. DR. the very bottom of that it said. uh. just most of these notes are about the mother at that point. DET. So you referred them - you told them. and I'm sorryI?m not gonna get this right. but which doctor do you - what type of doctor did you tell them to go to and What?s the difference? DR. MALONEY2Basically an optometrist is the standard person who does eyes. DET. exam? DR. an exam. DET. DR. my thought - my thought would be to talk to an ophthalmologist who in my understanding is one who has an extra degree and is able to diagnose for - diagnose and give you all the options. They have an extra DET. DR. DET. - and would that be Dr. Lavin? DR. would?ve been Dr. Lavin. At that point. I didn?t know him by name. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MALONEY:(inaudible) but I was talking to him and said. you know. if you know someone or your family knows of someone that you can go to immediately. that would be good. DET. So you just said see an - I recommend you see an ophthalmologist. Find a good ophthalmologist. That?s what your essential three things say up there. DR. Yes. DET. All right. So then do they say if they?re gonna do that or not? DR. that was my - my understanding was that that was. you know. they?d come to me for my advice and they said. you know. this is - okay. thank you very much for telling us what you think and off we go. DET. DR. that - that was it. DET. Did they make a follow-up appointment at that time or you just thought they were gonna go see an ophthalmologist? DR. thought that - that would be. DET. was it. DR. follow-up would be with the optometrist DET. DR. MALONEY: . . .ophthahnologist. DET. All right. DR. DET. then. um. that was the 12th of December. DR. DET. so then over a month goes by. about 40 days or so. and we?re at January DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you get another phone call? DR. DET. he wants to come back? DR. DET. And then so then they come back on the 20 - well. then he calls on the 24th. DR. DET. no notes there. Do you recall that conversation? DR. the 24th. um. was. uh. they again. uh. wanted to see me but didn?t want to see an optometrist ?rst. DET. DR. at that time I scheduled them as soon as possible. DET. So you get them in on the 28th. DR. DET. "Eye squints when it shrinks. Dark spot to left of pupil." DR. it had gotten worse. DET. worse. Okay. DR. protrusion was less - was less. but it was drooping. and the retina itself was displaced so the actual seeing part of the was off to the side now. DET. So now what are - what are you thinking? What do you tell them? DR. this point. uh. this is an extensive conversation. DET. DR. lasted for about 3 hours. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - in your of?ce? DR. my of?ce. DET. parents present or just one? DR. parents present. DET. DR. we were talking about where faith and medicine meet and how. uh. to make that decision to go and do - said conventional medical - medical treatment without any concerns aboutthe story that I remember saying multiple times is the story aboutuh. hill and a ?ood?s happening and he says. you know. God help me. Save me. save me. And there?s a boat that comes by and a helicopter and then the man goes up to heaven. He says God. why didn?t you save me. and God said he sent a boat and a helicopter. DET. DR. um. that was. uh. that was the gist of three hours of conversation. um (inaudible). DET. how did they take that? DR. well. at that point my focus was very much on Grace. um. because I felt that Robert was very much invested in prayer as the sole solution for his daughter. Um. so I was working very much with mom. talking about how this could be - how we could make this work within their church and then they - they - everyone was praying. Their minister was praying. Everyone was praying within their church. and I wanted to honor that but at the same time get them in to see somebody. DET. you know what church they went to? DR. I believe it?s a nondenominational Evangelical church in . I believe its First Baptist up in DET. So. basically - just a basic Christian church? DR. DET. PAXSONzNothing - DR. much. DR. much evangelical. very much faith in hands-on faith healing as part of the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. DET. DR. so I asked for a decision within a week. within the - within the next week from them. DET. decision? DR. they would go. uh. they - they would take action. DET. DR. - I (inaudible). DET. ?nd an ophthalmologist? DR. DET. And how did they le- when they left your o?ice. did they say yes. um. we?re moving in that direction. or we think you?re crazy or? DR. were - that was. that was the three-hour conversation. Then - and then when they didn?t say that to me. I kept going. DET. DR. until they said we?re going - we?re seriously gonna consider it. When they do. I said I need your decision within this week. DET. so did they come up with - hey. you know what? We?ve heard everything you said. We?ll get back to you within a week with our decision? DR. I was - I was (inaudible). DET. You - you told them I need - I need to hear from you within a week? DR. - my sense was the family had been discussing this far too much and needed to make a fmal decision and - and take action. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Okay. so then it looks like you get a phone call on February 4th. DR. DET. the decision says - he called twice on the fourth it looks like. DR. he called twice on the fourth. DET. DR. said he wanted to come see me - the decision was he was considering treatment. but no way will he - does he want to do surgery. DET. okay. So he?s considering treatment. but no way is he gonna do surgery? DR. DET. And he wants to come back and see you? DR. DET. he come back and see you? DR. he does. 1111. but if you see on the 6th. um. as soon as he called me. I went around and started calling. um. people to see what else was available. DET. that?s when you found out about Dr. Lavin? DR. from Dr. Gleaton. I called Dr. Gleaton and said I have a situation. What do you think. you know. should happen? Um. and she con?rmed that surgical treatment was the only course recommended for infant glaucoma. so. DET. Dr. Gleaton at? DR. is in. uh. Augusta. DET. PAXSONzAugusta. and she is an ophthalmologist? DR. DET. So 110w did you get turned on to Dr. Lavin. then? DR. - I called her and talked to her: and she said I don?t Visit with pediatric 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. uh. they need to see somebody that specializes in that. and that?s Dr. Lavin. DET. Oh. Lavin. is that 110w you say that? Sony. DR. probably (inaudible) I?m sorry. DET. okay. So you - so she refers you to him. and then you call him? DR. DET. he says I?ll see this child any time? DR. talked to his receptionist and explained it to her. and we came up with. um. the plan that. you know. this is - this is an open period of time that he?s available to see this child. DET. okay. So DR. MALONEY:(inaudible) DET. okay. Perfect. So the "any time" means any time during this period of time that we talked about. DR. exactly. DET. Um. so then do you call Robert back or he calls you? DR. - DET. that - DR. MALONEY:(inaudible) DET. at the bottom of the page? DR. yeah. I called Robert and we scheduled. um. for the 8th. We had scheduled for the 7th. but we rescheduled it for the 8th. DET. there patient notes for the 8th? DR. uh. and there?s a reason for that. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. because when they showed up on the 8th. I didn?t see them. DET. What happened on the 8th? DR. on - on the 8th. they arrived and I presented them with - um. we had a short discussion. The grandmother was also present at the time. DET. PAXSONzPatemal grandmother or matemal? DR. MALONEY:(inaudible) yes. DET. mom? DR. I don?t - didn?t check and see which side. DET. you know her name? DR. there was another woman in the room. as well as Grace and Robert. DET. PAXSON2D0 you know the woman?s name? DR. DET. DR. she was just as supportive. um. and at that point I said. um. I actually told them that they should go see Dr. Lavin. I wasn?t charging them for my visit. I handed them the referral. I handed them MapQuest directions to Dr. Lavin? 5 of?ce. and I said go now. DET. And you had already set this up with Dr. Lavin or Lavin that hey. they? re - they?re - they?re coming here but I?m gonna send them to you that day? DR. DET. that was on the 8th? DR. DET. So what?d they say to that? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. said they would go directly. DET. All right. So that?s the 8th. and they go. DR. DET. then looks like you receive a phone call on the 11th? DR. but that was actually from the 8th. It was Monday I was checking my messages - it was from the 8th. Friday. Um. right after their appointment. Dr. Lavin had said that it was actually retinoblastoma of the and it needed to be enucleated. which is basically taken out. and he referred them to Boston after. um. and that?s (inaudible). DET. Then they go to B0- did Robert call you that day. too. on your phone log here? DR. DET. what did - do you recall that conversation or that message? DR. said that they - she had very high pressure within her and that it would be best for them to go directly to Boston. DET. So then they?re set up for Boston. DR. DET. like - is the 14th the DR. some. uh. isn?t it the 11th still. um. the 11th? DET. the 11th. yep. sorry. It looked DR. Yes. he - he wondered if. uh. the home- homeopathic that he was taking might be - a thing called - um. I get these mixed up. Um. so the 11th he (inaudible) messed up um. they were preparing for a scan on the 11th and then I received a call. talking about what they could take in terms of homeopathics which wouldn?t have any impact on the scan or not and that this thing called derma scan. DET. to help her just stay calm? DR. DET. So then it looks like the 11th calls back. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. does that say? Silica? DR. yes. Silica coming. Uh. Silica is the homeopathic. It?s - it?s diluted salt - I mean. it? a dilute sand. DET. DR. so it doesn?t have any impact on the scanning or anything else. DET. DR. it? not gonna bother that. DET. that say coming or calming. or what does that say after that? DR. Sulfer coming - (inaudible) could be "coming to" I don?t know if that? 5 what I meant for the word there. It? s. um. a (inaudible). 11111 - um. could - could be coming forward because of the Silica that they were taking DET. okay - okay. DR. that was (inaudible). DET. you said. um. it?s a sa- it?s a form of a sand? DR. a sand. Uh. it? a homeopathic. It means it?s been diluted about 200 times. DET. DR. and then shaken. Uh. it has very little drug. you know. action or impact on something like this. DET. DR. MALONEY:Unfortlmately. DET. So then moving forward on the phone log. Looks like the 19th? DR. MALONEY: 19th. yes. DET. he calls or you call him? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. uh. no he called me. um. and. uh. he said he?s - they?re in recovery. He wanted to know about using nux vomica. a homeopathic. for recovery. DET. Did you call back? DR. I didn?t. actually. Then. uh. I received - I did - I did call him back. uh. got his voicemail. Um. says voicemail and his voicemail said that he does Master?s Touch. which I thought was pertinent. and then I. uh. wrote - I think I called him back and just said that?s ?ne. If you wam1a take that. I - I have no problems with it. And. you know. said. at that point. I referred over to the people who are in Boston. DET. PAXSONzPerfect. Okay. Then it looks like February 25th he DR. DET. a Saturday. DR. DET. wanted to come down and see you? DR. Um. and he was seeing Dr. Lavin - Dr. Lavin on Monday. and I didn?t have time to see him that day. It was too short of notice. So. he was going to see Dr. Lavin. and he wanted to start talking to me about whether chemotherapy and a thing called Envita. DET. - Envita. DR. Envita. DET. and then that?s I-P-T up at the top. right? DR. I-P-T. where is that? DET. top of the low-dose chemo. DR. yes. yeah. DET. And so he wanted to talk to you about that at his next DR. DET. he did talk to you about that on the phone? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. wanted to talk to me at an appointment. but I was unable to schedule. so DET. Okay. So. he said he was coming. but you couldn?t see him that Monday? DR. he said he wanted that time and I - I got back to him and just said. uh. I think I got back to him that day. and said that is not gonna work. I?m booked out that day. DET. DR. then DET. so then the 26th comes. DR. the 26th. DET. DR. he wanted - he wanted me to fax - something was being faxed to him. uh. and wanted me to get a fax. as well. and so at that point. um. he wanted to know ifI received that. He wanted to know if I had received a fax from Boston Hospital and I hadn?t yet and I tried to get it from Boston. but he (inaudible) at the same time and then we switched over. By the time that. by that point we started switching over to DETArizona at that point. DET. So. when did you ?nd out he was in Arizona? Before he left or when he was already here? DR. before he left. I had - it was mentioned in passing of a wedding in Arizona that was taking place. DETthat was very peripheral to what I was concerned about. so I didn?t - I don?t recall much about that: but there were - I knew that there were some plans that he was going out of state. that was coming with him out of state at some point. DET. DR. DET. um. was it your mlderstanding that after she was - had been seen in Boston. was there any more treatment that she was supposed to be receiving? Was this concerning to you that she was leaving the state? Uh. I?m just wondering how much he 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. shared with you. DR. at that point. um. that the next conversation I got from him is the 28th. DET. Is that where it says "No fax yet" up at the top and it?s emails? DR. "No fax yet". yeah. Um. and that 28th. 11111 I got DET. ?rst - uh. that ?rst message up there. just so I know what I?m looking at. is that from you? "Just checking the connection. No fax yet." Or is that DR. No fax yet. yeah. DET. DR. DET. then he writes back and he says DR. DET. DR. I wrote - then I wrote him and said you should receive a fax from your dad. I looked over the fax. and I gave him my opinion of what the fax said. Um. and basically the shorthand of that is that they were recommending a spinal tap as follow up because it looked like they didn?t get clear margins on the tumor. DET. And that was also recommended. I - did you know if it was recommended by other doctors? DR. yes. DET. DR. knew that they were all - that? 5 what they were saying. but I just wanted to enforce that so DET. DR. after the 28th. um. uh. Robert. um. called me. There was - there was discussion with - he had a discussion with Dr. Lavin. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. and evidently in the conversation - Dr. Lavin told him that the EEM. the EMMC docs. the Bangor DET. DR. to go to court to force treatment. and I was. I didn?t understand at all because the Bangor docs hadn?t um. agreed to treat her at all. initially sent ?em to Boston instead of treating. So. I - but that really upset Mr. Maynard. I mean. he was very lulhappy with that conversation with Dr. Lavin. and I called Dr. Lavin at 12 - at noon: and he did say that. in fact. um. there were several conversations there from the first that he said that he had - Dr. Fryberg in Bangor had. in fact. uh. said. said that she would - she threatened to call authorities and force treatment at that point. but truthfully I - I?m not sure why she got involved. because (inaudible). DET. DR. DET. yeah. and I think - I think there might be. um. some misunderstanding. I - Boston is the one. uh. it?s my understanding that wouldn?t treat because. um. she was eligible for Maine Medicaid or - or something. so that?s how she got bounced back to Maine and forwarded to Dr. Fryberger. And it?s my lmderstanding that Dr. Fryberger made arrangements to see her like on the 26th; and then instead of seeing her that day. they went to Arizona. DR. I did not have that information. DET. that?s some - maybe there?s some miscommunication. but I - when I spoke to Dr. Fryberger. uh. she. you know. there was never a time that she didn?t? agree to see the child. Okay. so. um. so that?s what this is all about. this last page of phone DR. DET. it takes place on the 28th? I don?t see a date there with any of those. DR. yeah. it?s actually 3-1-13. DET. . all three of those? DR. DET. Um. okay. DR. think that?s the end DET. ends the - that ends the phone log there. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. then it looks like - so you?re telling him -- I?m back over on the emails. and you?re telling him on the 28th. you DR. DET. you recommend having the spinal tap just like the other doctors are recommending. basically to stage this tumor. and DR. right. DET. writes back. and he says okay. DR. DET. And DR. then. uh - and the rest of those emails are - are short (inaudible) on research. DET. you know what I wanted to ask you about back on that phone log quick. I just saw Arizona and Mexico on there. Were they talkin? about takin? her to Mexico? DR. they were looking at alternative treatments. DET. DR. MALONEYzUnfortunately whenever you talk about altemative treatments. Tijuana comes up whenever you do a search. because there?s so many alternative treatment. um. groups in Tijuana. DET. DR. yes. DET. particular. um. they were looking for the DR. I think he was pretty much lookin? for anything at that point. They were just looking for DET. so they were 0 - they - it wasn?t just one speci?c thing that they were - they were gomia look for? DR. MALONEY2N0. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. were - they were open to anything. DR. were getting a lot of information from a lot of people at that point. DET. Um. okay. so then it looks like you reach out to him on the ?rst - DR. I do. DET. spinal tap is necessary. Um. what - and the next step was? DR. basically talking about - there?d been research that showed what - what chemo you should do. What? 5 next - if it?s heavy chemo or short che - easy chemo. you know. Chemo light or chemo heavy. DET. Okayinformation about pediatric retinoblastoma and what the outcomes would be. you know. usually with other cancers you have outcomes. DET. that your last contact with him was March ?rst? DR. last contact. uh - the last time I talked to himyes. that?s the last contact (inaudible) conversation - the next thing I got from them at all was something from his brother. um. for the. um - uh. funeral service. DET. So the last time - while they were in Arizona while was still alive and the last contact you would?ve had anything to do regarding treatment or advice or. you know. or - or referrals would?ve been March ?rst? DR. DET. DR. DET. now I?d like to ask you about your opinion and if you?re familiar with the - the substance of. um. I don?t know if you pronounce it laetn'le or lay-a-tn'l. Vitamin B17. DR. MALONEYcLaetrile. yeah. vitamin B17 it?s a. uh. it?s a cyanide - cyanide extract from the. uh. apricot kernel. DET. Have you ever used this with patients? DR. DET. you have any experience with it? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. other than it?s DET. DR. it?s cyanide. DET. DR. but I haven?t had any cancer patients taking it under my care. no. DET. are you aware - and these are just. um. these are just questions I'm asking because it - this isn?t - this is - this is such a different area of treatment. Um. I?m just - I?m learning as I?m going through this investigation. But are you aware of anyone that has used this on - on peds or - or children? DR. um. it - no. not of?cially. no. Um. the gen- my general imderstanding with laetIile clinics is that. um. they don?t consider vitamin 317 to be a toxic substance. um. and that?s their take on it. Um. somehow they think that the body does something with the cyanide that none of the rest of us think it does. so. DET. So. um. so if I was looking for - to talk to maybe another doctor. 11111. homeopathic. naturopathic doctor that maybe uses this substance to treat cancer patients. particularly in children. you wouldn?t know where I could start looking for a person like that? DR. MALONEY:Supposedly the place to go would by Tijuana unfortunately. DET. okay. DR. I don?t know if those guys would talk to you. but. yeah. I mean. there?s probably clinics - there?s probably clinics down there that. uh. still offer it. DET. DR. DET. you aware if that?s what she was given here in Arizona? DR. MALONEY21 was not. DET. Um. yeah. that?s what she was given. so I was just - I?m just unions on your opinion or if you could point me in the right direction regarding what would be an appropriate dose for a child this age and size. DR. cyanide is cyanide. Um. uh. okay. so your standard dosing for any situation would be an adult that?s - for an 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related new Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) prsoN. adult that?s - now. there?s no concrete adult dose for cyanide that?s (inaudible) so. a pediatric dose would be one-fourth of that. but there?s no proof that it ever (inaudible) DET. DR. DET. All right. Um. well. I may have more questions as this goes on. but I think this is a really good start. Can I. um. Mr. McKee. could I contact you if there? something. you know. if I have follow-up questions as I?m puttin? this case together? great. No problem. DET. I?m - I?m gonna - what?s gomia happen now. tun. Dr. Maloney. is I?m just going to be - you - you know. we came back. we traveled back to Maine. We interviewed a handful of doctors back there. Um. we collected evidence out at the - the Maynard?s residence: and it will just be a process of me putting this all together. If I have some holes. I may have some questions and say oh. shoot. I should?ve asked him that. And then I - I would call. and I?ll go through Mr. McKee for that. DR. DET. So. otherwise this case is going to be I would say probably by the end of summer hopefully will be in the hands of the prosecutor here in Maricopa Cormty to make a charging decision. And I have all your infonnation. If this case is charged and it goes forward. you?ll be noti?ed for any type of appearances. um. and maybe it?s something. you know. that can be done telephonically or - or if there?s interviews. um. you know. there?s - therepredict that this would ever be in a courtroom as far as a trial. Uh. that?s too hard to predict. But we?ll just - you know. we?ll cross those bridges when we get to them. I know distance is gonna be an issue. because all the witnesses are from back there. DR. DET. so. you guys have my direct number. If you need anything in the meantime or just want to call and check on the status of the case. you can give me a call. DR. DET. and I will de?nitely call you if I need you. Thank you. Jennifer. Thank you. DET. Thanks. You guys have a good day. Bye-bye. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) MCC ANN . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:09:28 Added By: (600) PAXSON, This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Signed 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH DR. C. WILLIAM LAVIN ON 4-3-13 Det Jennifer Paxson #600 Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 Dr. C. William Lavin DET. date is April 3. 2013. It?s approximately 1630 hours and we are in Waterville. Maine and this is gorma be um. an interview with Dr. um. William Lavin. I think it?s C. William? DR. C. William. Yeah. Yeah. DET. William Lavin. DR. DET. And uh. Dr. Lavin. what?s your date of birth? DR. LAVIN24-2-55. DET. so you had a birthday yesterday? DR. I did - yesterday. DET. happy birthday. Okay. And this address here on College Avenue is a good address like for court papers - say you were to be subpoenaed? DR. DET. And then the phone number. I?ve got a cell number and I have a work number. Those are good numbers for you? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. Um. that ought to be good enough there. Okay. So show me what you got here. You?ve made copies of some stuff for me. DR. we can start from day - day one. DET. DR. they uh. 5- what did I do? DET. would it help if we just kind of talk about things? And then if you?ve got something that is related to it - like how did they get to you? DR. I heard uh. something like the day before I saw the patient that there was a uh. a doctor in - around here who wanted to se- wanted to send me a patient. And he uied - he was trying to get a pa- the patient to see me. DET. Waterville here? DR. - in - well I - I guess - he was from Augusta. And uh. it?s not uncommon that I?ll - in between a busy day seeing - when they have someone that has a tumor come - they wanna get back to see you. I said. "Fine. Just get them up here." DET. DR. get them up here." Well apparently I - I did see the patient. DET. let?s back up. DR. Go ahead. DET. we?re talking about DR. DET. that?s the patient that we?re referring to. Now is the doctor - when you say you heard this. you just heard it in conversation kind DR. between patients DET. between patients DR. was telling me that there was a patient in the vicinity that had a tumor and they wanted me to see the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. patient. And DET. a secretary or DR. LAV1N:Secretary. DET. DR. I said you know. "Get them in as soon as possible." DET. PAXSONzPerfect. DR. get DET. is that um. that Dr. Christopher Maloney? DR. believe it was. Yes. DET. The - the naturopath doctor? DR. Yes. DET. So you kind of hear that in between patients DR. DET. you?re like. "Get them in as soon as possible?" DR. Right. Yeah. Exactly. DET. DR. I saw the patient on uh. 011 the 8th- February DET. DR. the ?rst time I saw the patient. DET. PAXSON DR. LAVIN 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DETand they came into the of?ce. They uh. wouldn?t sign any papers. Uh. they basically really - didn?t really want to be seen. They didn?t want to give me any of?cial - they didn?t want to sign their - the initial statements coming in about release of information. permission to treat patients. They just wanted to have me see the baby. DETsaw the child. Um. and that was obvious - just looking at the child - had a very large tumor. DET. eye? DR. right - in the right eye. And DET. me what's obvious. Like what - what - to a person that doesnwas ahnost as if there was a golf ball sitting on the eye. And the was red. sore. in?amed. and I didn?t have a camera with me at the time but I know the doctor in Boston did take photos of - photos before the surgery. DET. that?s Dr. Grabowski or Mukai? DR. - that?s Dr. Mukai. DET. DR. did the surgery. DET. you know him? DR. do know him. Yes. DET. you refer people to him? DR. refer to him. I trained with him. Uh. he? a friend of mine. DET. DR. uh. and it was very obvious that this child had a very large tumor. Uh. the was uh. was uh. inmwbile. It wouldn?t move. It was proptotic or pushing out. Um. it was red. It was cloudy. The surface was cloudy. Um. and uh. I knew that it was an tumor - an orbital tumor. some type of tumor that was in or around the eye. Most commonly at that age would be a retinoblastoma. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. And now how long - how long do you think she was How long would the nonnal person - like say me. if I would have saw this child said. "Hm. something? 5 not right with her eye?" DR. usually if a - if a parent will take photographs - usually starting around 3 to 5 months of age if you took a photograph of a child dead on you would probably see one would have a red re?ex and the other would - would either be white or black. It would - it would look - it would be an abnormal red re?ex. DET. DR. arormd the age of 4. 5. 6 months of age uh. statistically the most common age that a um. uh. unilateral uh. uh. retinoblastoma would present will be 15. 16 months. Bilateral it?s usually 11 months. The reason it presents earlier with bilateral because a child that has bilateral disease won?t see. The parents will say. "Hey. something?s wrong with so and so." DET. They can?t see. DR. - can?t see. DET. with one they can DRlittle bit longer. DET. DR. the thing that was surprisng to me was the size of the tumor at - I think the child was 18 months of age. DET. was 18 months. Yeah. DR. Usually by then it?s - I haven?t seen them - I usually will see babies 12. 15. 16 months of age. They?re not proptotic. The will just look fmmy on a - on a photograph. DET. DR. if anything I would say this was probably presented earlier than the average retinoblastoma. DET. let?s back up a little DR. DET. to what it?s gonna - ?cause I seized a digital DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. and some photos of - of this DR. DET. at the house. And we?re gonna look through all that evidence when we get back to Arizona. DR. DET. again am I looking for in the photographs? DR. - if you would look head-011 shot of the child usually you?ll see a red re?ex unless they have the - the DET. red eyethe white of the wouldn?t be DET. DR. the black part of the would be red. You've seen camera shots - the old cameras that would take a picture and there?s two red dots. DET. DR. because what you?re looking at is the back of the is red. DET. DR. if there? 5 a tumor back then you don?t see the red anymore. DET. So the bad eye? 5 not gomla be red? DR. bad eyes not gorma be red. The healthy - good - I love to see two red dots in a child?s eye. DET. you take a photo? DR. - because that tells me that th- those eyes are most likely have no tumor in them. DET. DR. if one has a red dot and the other doesn?t have a red dot I get worried about thatnieces daughter had that. She sent me a picture. I said. "Send me another 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Let?s take a look at that. DR. right away." because I was worried about that. So - and uh. I can tell you uh. a child I had once. a mother took pictures of the child - ?rst baby she had. She sat the baby down every month with the - 1 month. 2 months. 3 months. DET. Yeah. DR. for - as a mother. DET. Yeah. DR. all of a sudden around 5 months of age I was saying. "That looks a little furmy." Six months later - by it was de?nitely - so she ?nally came in around 15. 16 months. And it was obvious the child had a tumor then. DET. DR. you - you can pick it up early. Um. and usually a red re?ex - an abnormal red re?ex. The second most common way of ?nding it would be a crossing of the because if you have a tumor in the it will blind the child and the will have the tendency to null in. A blind will - and the child will Run in. DET. DR. either strabismus or lack of red re?ex will - will - will - will clue in that that child doesn?t DET. The reason I?m asking you this is because - so she was 18 months old when she passed away. Um. and again they haven?t spoken to us. DR. DET. I would like to ask them these questions but I haven?t had the luxury of doing that. Ill addition the doctor who treated her in Arizona has not spoken to us. So I - I can?t ask her any of these questions. However um. we did seize a bunch of notes and the patient ?le from that doctor in Arizona when we served the search warrant there. And it said um. had had this condition for ten months. Does that DR. yeah. Um. DET. PAXSON2Possible? DR. months that - that would DET. she would have been about 8 months old? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. 8 months old. Yeah. Yeah. A- at 8 months of age you could have an abnormal red re?ex. Absolutely. DET. DR. there are probably a - photographs where there? 5 - something is abnormal. DET. DR. may have - what did they do at t- w- what they - what they did. DET. just wondering what they - what they would have seen DR. they would have seen a - a red re?ex and - and no red re?ex. Now some t- sometimes that would uh. clue in on a parent. that?s abnonnal. Another parent would just say. "Oh. cute. Look at her nose. Look at her hair." DET. DR. would not clue in 011 the eyes. DET. DET. there - there is a um. I think we - I saw a couple photos. We actually commented 011 themquestions is there? 5 this unilateral - that la- it almost looked like it was lazy. like the was kind of - like this - the left was taking a picture and the right was kind of DET. PAXSON:Wandering. DET. down at - wandering. looking down DR. DET. It?s like cross-eyed. DET. remember that - remember that one? DET. DET. photos that we saw? DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. was some photos DR. this child? DET. this DR. child. yeah. DET. the home today that we DR. DET. the looked like it was - it DR. DET. when you DR. would turn in? DET. was tlu'ning in. DR. in? Yeah. DETkind of both looked at it and kind of go you DET. we - yeah. DR. if the child has a head tum like this - like DET. DR. you see more ear on one side but not on the other this will look more turned in. So when you take a photograph you wanna make sure that it - you can see both DET. DR. it?s a symmetrical. DET. that?s what we?ll be looking for. DR. LAVIN2Y- yeah. Yeah. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Um. okay. That?s um. that?s Robert. You walma answer Robert? I mean not Robert - Darrell. DET. DET. okay. Okay. So that - now I know what I?m looking for in the pictures. DR. DET. they come to you. They don?t tell you the - how long she?s DR. No. DET. right? And what do they say to you? DR. were very quiet. Uh. they didn?t seem overly worried. concerned. DET. was mom and DR. dad. and grandmother. DET. his mother? DR. mother - his mother. DET. Robert. Grace. and I think her name is Deborah. Did they tell you their names? DR. on subsequent visits they - they - they wrote - they wrote down their names. DET. DR. got uh. uh. Grace is the mom. Todd is the grandfather. Um. it?s funny. They didn?t put the mother?s name here. DET. is the father DR. LAVIN2Robert?s the father. DET. PAXSON: . . .Deborah - Deborah DR. LAVINzDeborah. DET. I think is his mother. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. Okay. So they come in. Are you with - DR. DET. three of them in the room with you? DR. in the room. I?m sitting in the chair. DET. the child. DR. and the child. The child was sitting on the - like the father?s lap. Mother was in the comer. Mother really didn?t say much at all. Um. when I started describing the situation and telling them it was a tumor. it could kill the child I heard the mother whimper a little bit - whimper a little bit. DET. okay. DR. - and I knew that they were religious to begin with. And maybe I heard that they were trying prayer therapy. I don?t know but I heard that they were religious. And - and I told them - and I asked them uh. I said. "Would you like me to pray with you now?" DET. DR. he said. "Do you normally do that?" I said. "No. but I would be happy to." DET. DR. um. and he didn?t say anythingdidn?t - we didn?t pursue that. I - at ?rst I didn?t want to scare him away. DET. Mm-hm. DR. was the most important thing. DET. course. DR. we got him into the of?ce. And - and I told him um. that this will kill your child. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. says. "If I pray for anything I will pray for you that you will go and seek DET. DR. uh. because this is not gonna get better with prayer therapy. It?s not gomla get better with homeopathic therapy or naturopathic therapy." DET. DR. have to you know. have it removed." DET. had this conversation with them on the 8th? DR. absolutely. DET. DR. on the 8th. Yes. Yeah. DET. DR. uh. and that? when mother started to - kind of whimper a little bit. Grandmother uh. was a little bit more stoic. I mean she didn?t - there wasn?t this overall concern that I would have telling a parent that your child is gonna die. DET. DR. was kind of - you know. "Well you know. we?d been - we?d been praying and - and uh. we - we?re not too sure if we?re gonna take that step yet." Um. it was just this - this - this very - not relaxed but it wasn?t a - an aggressive approach that the parents were taking. DET. DR. the only sign of emotion was the mother whimpering a little bit. Um. and I told them that I?d call right away to - to Boston. DET. DR. and um. DET. did they say to that? DR. - and I said. "The - the treatments gonna be you know. um. probably removing the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. LAVINLuprobably chemotherapy. maybe radiation." They were a little bit reluctant towards chemotherapy. Um. they kind of nodded. They realized the had to be removed uh. but it wasn?t this let?s get it done right away. DET. yeah. DR. and I think it was that - that was a Friday. Um. that - he gave me his telephone number. I said "I?m gonna make some phone calls. I will be calling you back." DET. DR. so they left the of?ce. I quickly looked at the child ?cause I - and I - I didn?t even - you?re supposed to take a good look at the opposite eye. the healthy dilated. do things. make sure that was - wasn?t bilateral diseased. DET. Right. DR. said. "I?m not gonna do anything." I says. "The ?rst thing they?re out of here to Boston." DET. Mm-hm. DR. so I quickly looked at the child and DET. the right eye?s so severe? DR. right eye?s so severe. I mean I - I knew they were gonna do that in Boston once the baby was asleep in the - in the operating room. DET. DR. looked at the child?s eye. It was blind. Uh. it was very obviously proptotic. Um. I mean I can show you pictures of basically what it looked like. And it was - as almost she had a golf ball sitting on the eye. Urn. and um. and they left. And that was kind of like the only communication I had with them on that - that visit. I did call them back later that - that day. I called um. Boston. I spoke to Dr. Mukai?s fellow. A fellow is a person who?s not quite fmished his training. is doing specialty work in - in retina. And he says. "Well I?ll get in touch with Dr. Mukai. Obviously the child has to be seen. Um. 1111. send him to clinic on." - I think it was Tuesday or something like that. The f- I think it was on the following Monday. DET. DR. and 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. So let?s see. February 8 was a Friday. DR. a Friday? DET. That?s correct. DR. DET. PAXSON2February 12 they saw Dr. um. Mukai. DR. saw the child on the 12th. DET. DR. And I thought at that time that they were probably gonna enucleate the child uh. later that - that DET. DR. but they didn?t. And I don?t know - I don?t have any communication -actually letters from Dr. Mukai. I have the pathology report. and I have the operative report but I don?t know what - what? 5 going - what was going on at that time um. except that I think I spoke to the fellow and they said that they didn?t have insurance. We wanted the 1Vle scan to be done back in Maine. DET. DR. they had the MRI scan in Maine. They didn?t have it in Boston. And it - it would be - it would have been an emergent scan at that time on - on the Tuesday when he saw Dr. Mukai but they - they just kind of left the of?ce and they went and had the scan (unintelligible). DET. I spoke to Dr. Grabowski - DR. DET. and I guess he works with Dr. Mukai. DR. at Mass General. DET. And he said they - they kind of work as a DR. DET. Boston. And he saw the child on the 14th - 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. What DET. so on the 12th they saw Dr. Mukai. DR. - 12th. DET. the 14th they saw Dr. Grabowski. DR. LAV1N2Thursday? Okay. DET. Thursday. And he - and he asked his hospital if we could - if they could do DR. DET. MR scan for free since the family didn?t have insurance. And they - and the hospital wouldn?t agree to it at um. at Boston - in DR. DET. the family was from Maine and that they quali?ed for DR. DET. PAXSON: . . .Maine Medicaid. DR. DET. so that?s when I think they came back here and went to DR. DET. saw Dr. Larson. DR. DET. believe. DR. DET. and then I - maybe with the scheduling with Dr. Larson maybe that?s what took a little bit ?cause then they had the surgery. what - on the twenty - 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. had the surgery I think - not too long after that. DR. hold on. surgery was on the 22nd. DET. yeah. DR. DET. they had the surgery um. about eight days after they saw Dr. Grabowski. DR. DET. you talk to - talk to the Maynards at all about payment. DR. DET. LOCKERBY: . . .insurance? DR. - I spoke to them on the - the - they came back after the surgery. Uh. they came back on - on uh. the 25th. which is I think about three days after the surgery. DET. DR. was Monday. DET. DR. 11111. and I told them. "Okay. The first step is done. I don?t have the pathology report yet." Um. I had the report from Dr. Mukai that it was in the orbit uh. outside the globe uh. but I don?t have any - anything more - data than that. I said. "But the child?s gorma need to have chemotherapy. probably radiation." this. And the father kind of backed OE and handed me a lot of information on St. Jude?s Hospital - he - something also on Vitamin therapy at Oasis of Healing at um. Arizona. DET. DR. LAV1N2U11. oxidative therapies. This is all DET. came prepared with this? DR. They came prepared. Yes. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. these copies for us? DR. Yeah. You can have all those. DET. DET. did you - when you saw them on the DR. DET. they ?rst came in DR. DET. you mention or ask them. "What type of insurance are you on?" or - or uh. any type of - anything like that? And did you talk to them on the 8th about that at all? DR. don?t recall doing that but I remember speci?cally talking about that on the DET. DR. the grandfather. And I says you know. "You qualify." I said you know. y- probably ?cause they didn?t have it done - I said. "You can get all your things done here for free. You qualify - probably qualify for Maine Care." The grandfather immediately said. "We don?t want to do Maine are." He says. "We don?t do anything with the government." DET. LOCKERBY280 that was what the DR. was the grandfather said. DET. What day was that? DR. was on the 25th. DET. when they came in? DR. He said he refused to do any Maine Care. DET. about Robert or the - the mother? Did they - did they - did they seem to stop the grandfather from saying that - DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. or were they in agreeance? DR. DET. you re- I mean I know this DR. DET. of dif?cult remembering but anything about - in regards to that? DR. I remember the grandfather had prominent role in that meeting more so DET. the 25th? DR. on the 25th. DET. DR. kind of came in with the paperstalked about St. Jude?s Hospital to them then. He said. "But I hear people go down to St. Jude?s and they get high doses and they die." And I said. "But you can have it free. We?ll arrange you to go to St. Jude?s." DET. DR. LAVIN2U11. I had already spoken - or either that - before or right shortly after that with Dr. Fryberger. She said. "Oh. yeah. Go to St. Jude?s. I?ll make." - she said. "I?ll make that happen if they wanna go to St. Jude?s." DET. Fryberger said that? DR. Yes. DET. where is St. Jude?s? DR. Jude?s is in - in Tennessee. I believe. DET. DR. it?s the big cancer hospital and DET. So you guys could have made 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. could?ve had that happen. She said. "That can happen." DET. that child get there? Okay. DR. DET. the grandfather was DR. did not want do that. DET. the parents DR. LAVIN2N0. No. They - they - they were letting the grandfather take the - the role. DET. they didn't really communicate with you? DR. that day. no. They - they DET. didn?t speak up and say. "No. we want to go there?" DR. LAVIN2N0. DET. DR. No. DET. the grandfather handed you these DR. DET. the father? DR. believe it was the grandfather. DET. DET. you?re looking at - I?m gonna uh. ask you a couple follow-up things. You said that they were religious. DR. DET. did you know that they were religious? Did they say anything? Did they make - how did they make you in- indicate that there was some sort of a religious connotation? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoNthought I heard that prior to the exam. Uh. and it was you DET. is on the 8th? DR. I never spoke to the - the uh. naturopath who saw him. Dr. Maloney um. but it was some fashion that I heard that - that they were religious. I?m sure - the only thing I can assume that Dr. Maloney?s of?ce contacted ours and said. "They?re coming up here. They?re reluctant. They?re re- very religious but he has a tumor." DET. DR. I knew that there was a religious background when they were coming in. DET. when you - when - you actually offered the - the - the DR. DET. them when you kind of knew about this DR. brought it up. Yeah. DET. DET. how you learned about the - you got a phone message DR. the 6th. Okay. DET. DR. right. Okay. DET. Maloney called. DR. "The parents are very religious and they are trusting God for healing. Dr. Maloney says if you?re okay with it praying at the start of a visit would be extremely helpful." Okay. DET. DR. says "He spent three hours at the last visit trying to convince the parents of the need for treatment. They agreed when they explained that the doctors weren?t trying to take over God? 5 role but were assisting him during his healing process." DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you go. DR. DET. DET. makes sense. Um. when you - when you saw them on the 8th is it standard procedure for you when you see your patients or your parent you know. the - the - children or regular parents to have them sign that paperwork? DR. DET. give them paperwork. That? 5 standard procedure for you? DR. LAVIN2Absolutely. DET. DR. fact we - we?re - we?re - somewhat legally uh. not - should not see a patient unless they sign that paperwork. DET. DET. DR. it DET. what is that - the paperwork mainly says What? I mean just to the - DR. DET. they eventually sign it when they came back? DR. did come - on the second visit they did sign it uh. they - that I have a right to treat their child. DET. that just for children - that paperwork DR. they - no. DET. that for any adult or - adult or child? DR. have a separate sheet for just - just children 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. for permission to ch- uh. treat a child um. here but you - the adults don?t sign that. Um. they sign a HIPPA fonn. DET. DET. DR. they also sign if they want me to release any information. This is all yours. Um. and this is people that they allowed me to release information DET. and Grace. Okay. Okay. So they signed it on the 25th? DR. listed the add- then they gave me their address and the telephone numbers. DET. PAXSONzPerfect. DR. for some reason I?m not - well this is uh. I?m not sure why they didn?t sign that. Usually uh. except they have Maine Care but usually they sign these two things about payment. I wasn?t gonna charge them anyways. I mean it was the last thing I wanted to do. DET. Okay. DET. you had ?rst talked to uh. when you had ?rst mentioned at the beginning here you said something that 11111. when they showed up you didn?t even think he wanted to even see you. What gave you that indication and why did you kind of make that - that statement? DR. they - they didn?t - they didn?t have a sense of urgency you know. uh. of - of their child. Tell me what?s - what?s - what?s going on. what can I do. DET. DR. was very - very quiet in the room - very uh. much I was kind of DET. DR. process along about. you DET. it was more of like a - a reluctant to even come DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. see you? I DR. DET. don?t recall them making any statements like. "Well the only reason we?re here is because Dr. Maloney told us to come here?" DR. DET. statements like that? Or it was just more of their reluctant physical actions and - and - DR. DET. in the room? DR. very. very quiet people. I don?t think I even heard the wife uh. at two visits mention any - say a word. DET. DR. don?t think she ever said anything. And he was just very slow with his words. choosing his DET. DR. quiet. very much uh. I didn?t want to scare him off. DET. DR. - and uh. 11111. so we didn?t - there wasn?t a lot of conversation back and DET. DR. only here because of this." It?s DET. they ask any questions? DR. LAVIN2Nothing of DET. that stands out? DR. - that stands out at all. DET. Did you get the feeling that this was the ?rst time that they really had heard that this was cancer? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. I think it?s the ?rst time that they heard that it could kill the DET. DR. the mother started crying then. DET. DR. but again my saying this - when I told her I said. "Your baby will die." DET. DR. wasn?t a sense. didn?t know that." DET. DR. are you talking about?" DET. DR. thought it was just you know. a - a bump that was - we were taking care of." It was uh. that at all. DET. shock? DR. DET. DET. you give them any literature? DR. don?t think so. DET. doctors give pamphlets DR. Right. Right. Right. Right. DET. LOCKERBY2D0 you re- do you - is that a - something that you would do nomlally DR. - I know I gave them my telephone - my home telephone number uh. my cell phone. and my regular phone number because we had lots of conversations - 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. LOCKERBY: Mm-hm. there. Uh. and I said. will call you back." DET. DR. and that day I mean it was late in the afternoon. I remember calling after hours. Mass General. And they had a storm that week. They - they had closed - they - actually they closed down DET. DR. - that weekend. And uh. Mass General - Mass and Bar was closed but there was always uh. someone on call with a beeper. Um. so Dr. Mukai wasn?t around. I didn?t give them any information except uh. any - handed any literature except my - my phone number. DET. DET. ?cause there? 5 you know. we?re just wondering if you maybe gave them anything like. "Here?s what retinoblastoma is." or. "Here?s what this you know. here?s literature about the eye." DR. Yeah. DET. - anything that they could - "Please take this home and read with you." or. "When you? re going to you knowBoston here?s some information that you need DR. No. DET. like that? DR. DET. told them it was retinoblastoma? DR. absolutely. I said. "Most likely it?s retinoblastoma. This is a tumor." DET. the 8th? DR. the 8th. I said. "This will kill you." I DET. will kill your child? DR. said - I didn?t - I didn?t - I didn?t - I didn?t mince words with killing. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. that? when the mother just started to whimper a little bit there. DET. Dr. Lavin. what is your specialty? DR. my - I?m board certi?ed in ophthahnology. And I?ve done a year specialty of pediatric ophthalmology at Mass and Ear. DET. DET. you ever seen a case like this before? DR. uh. once in Africa. DET. in Africa? DR. LAVlNzA?ica. I - I spent uh. uh. three months in Africa. And a child 1111. had a bag on its head. It?s a little hut we worked at. And the mother took the hat - and it was just a protruding eye. And this - when you look in literature retinal bla- advanced retinoblastoma. it?s always a black child - always a black child ?cause it?s always in Africa because where there?s no - no care. This child is - I - I could almost guarantee you Dr. Mukai has never seen it at Mass and Ear like this. And they get the referrals from all over - maybe if it came - came in from Africa but this DET. Haiti they said. DR. - Haiti. things like that. DET. world countries. DR. world countries. This is DET. That? 5 what DR. DET. what Dr. Grabowski said - like third world. severely impoverished DR. DET. no access to medical care. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. - that?s when it gets to this point. DR. Yeah. And I would say - I would say 99 percent of pediatric alone will never see that like that at all. I mean we never - we?ll never see it in this country. It was just obvious. DET. Um. other than Dr. Maloney are you aware of any other doctor that they saw that they brought her to prior to coming to see you? DR. I?d just be curious. if it?s all right. how many times did they see Dr. Maloney DET. know yet. DET. don?t know yet. DR. know yet? DET. gonna talk to him hopefully next. DR. I - I mean if - if this child came to me I would pr- I would probably - and I was the ?rst - I would probably say. will not see you again. I cannot." - there - there?s no indication for treating this child any other way except getting out - and I have taken - I have put patients in - in a car. I had two patients when they said. will not go to Boston. I would rather go blind than go to Boston." I said. "Well pack up your bags. I?m driving you." And I?ve driven two patients to Boston. DET. my. DR. LAVlNzAdults. Um. and uh. and I would have done it for this child. Um. I would be - I - geez. I would assume - depends on when he saw the child. I DET. DR. this were - if he?s not used to the eyes and it was a red I could see him treating it for conjunctivitis early DET. DR. early on uh. but at this stage I - I would have hoped he would not have treated her any other way. DET. gonna - yeah. We?re gonna ?nd out. DR. gonna ?nd out? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. We?re gonna t- we?re gorma - hopefully he?ll meet with us and talk to us. DR. DET. would - w- and we talked about the early indications and if this child came to you and you saw this what would be - and early 011 what would you do? Like if - like very early stages when you start seeing that ?rst red - redness of the eye. the - the - the cr- you know. DR. DET. talked about what would be one of the ?rst procedures that you would doctor if they came to you and they were somewhat cooperative? DR. - I?m just gonna general doctor 11111. my wife is a nurse practitioner. If you have a child - any child with a crossed uh. you get them out of your o?ice. get them to an doctor. DET. DR. DET. he comes to you? DR. should do - now I?ve been in lectures and I can remember one lecture where a - a professor will put up a slide and said. "What?s the worst thing that can happen to this child?" and the child has a crossed eye. Next slide. death. DET. DR. when I have a child that comes in my of?ce with crossed eyes the ?rst thing I think about is a brain tumor. Now the chance of that years kids that have come into my of?ce with crossed eyes. I?ve had three brain tumors. DET. DR. know. they said. "Well that?s - that?s not many." - I?ve seen thousands of kids with crossed eyes but my job is to ?nd that brain tumorwould say about three came in with - with crossed eyes. DET. DR. so ba- if you?re a general DET. see that. That?s a - that?s a red - that?s a huge red ?ag. DR. should get them out of your of?ce if you have a crossed eye. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 29 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. um. w- uh. what would I do? DET. what would a normal - what would normally be some of the things that you would do medically to uh DET. gonna call. DR. DET. gorma call him quick. DET. 11111. to - to treat this - this - this illness or DR. Okay. DET. DR. a child comes to my of?ce with a crossed the ?rst thing I do is I dilate their DET. DR. the most common reason child - a child will cross - have their eyes crossed at this age - at 15. 16 months of age is because they?re far-sighted and they need glasses. Glasses will straighten out these kids most often. DET. DR. DET. you?ll learn that from dilating whether or not they?re far-sighted? DR. will learn that from dilating. DET. DR. I?ll also be able to look at the - I?ll be able to examine the and look at the optic DET. DR. see if it?s swollen or not. If it?s swollen I think about a brain tumor. swelling of the optic nerve. and it? protruding. That condition is called papilledema. Third thing I?m gonna see is I?m gonna see the retina itself. A child could have 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 29 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 30 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. small optic nerves. He could have bleeding in the eye. He could have a tumor in the eye. So I want to rule out any other serious problems for a crossed eye. DETthat by dilating the child. So the ?rst shot - anyone comes in with a crossed eye. standard care - 99.9 percent of pediatric ophthalmologists dilate the child. DET. When you do that how often do you see something that it?s - it?s - it?s not far-sightednesscases. 1 out of 100? I DR. would say of the kids that have a crossed um. DET. you see. You know. is it a - I mean I?m just curious as DR. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um. well - the - the most common reason a child will have a crossed uh. th- is because -- pardon me -- poor vision. If the optic nerve is DET. DR. something called optic nerve hypoplasia. DET. DR. nerve hypoplasia. A- and these childs will have small optic nerves. Ifyou think of the optic nerve you think of the light - a light and a generator and you got the nerve that connects it. DET. DR. the - the eye? 5 healthy - the generators healthy but the connection is not. And the optic nerve is small. And what will happen with these kids is th- their vision will go blind or their vision will be reduced and the will turnkids that come in um. that glasses are not gonna necessarin straighten out their eyes and they?re gonna be blind in that from a small optic nerve. DET. no way to get that optic nerve bigger? DR. LAV1N2N0. No. No. So these children are - are congenitally blind. DET. DR. it?s very little I can do for them. I might give them glasses to protect their good eye. I might try to have some patching of the good 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 30 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 31 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. maybe you know. try to wake up the optic nerve if I could. but for the most part you get - you - you can only wake it up so much. You might get the child to see a little bit better but DET. DR. be legally blind. So usually I?ll do some patching for a short period of time uh. if a child is - is blind in one eye. We?ll try to patch the eye. DET. see it common more on the - one side of the versus the other? DR. - I think statistically um. a- it?s gonna be more on the left side of the for some reason. DET. DR. and I - and DET. no medical science uh. that - to say why DR. LAVIN2N0. No. DET. way? No? DR. son has a cross in his eye. DET. DR. it?s uh. it?s uh. called Duane?s He?s um. and uh. uh. and statistically I think itpercent of the time it?s left eye. DET. DR. don?t know why it?s the left but son is a left eye. DET. DR. there are some reasons for that but uh. uh. so a kid with a crossed um. if you?re a general pr- DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 31 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 32 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. should get them out of your of?ce within a couple weeks. DET. DR. in that DET. DR. it - it should be within a couple weeks. get them out of your of?ce uh. to an optometrist or ophthalmologist. DET. a - a special? DR. specialty. DET. specialty. yeah. A specialist. yeah. DR. DET. sense. Um. wow. Mm. interesting. DR. I don?t know how long he was treating him down - yeah. DET. I mean you saw what it - when he ca- when the child came into DR. about that. Yes. Uh. I?m sorry. DET. okay. That?s ?ne. DR. my wife. DET. like. "Let?s go to Boston." DR. Hello? Yeah. No. Ri- ri- I?d have you come home?cause I?m not gonna be able to leave till 9 o?clock tonight. okay. All right. Bye-bye now. DET. you saw the DR. DET. the - the - the condition of the was in can you retrograde it or historically look back and say. "Well it? - I could tell it?s - it?s probably - it?s something that started three months ago. six months ago." based on how quickly it?s grown or the - the - the stage that it was in? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 32 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 33 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. ei- ei- 18 months of age. I would have thought that - I would think that months of age um. the would have either turned in or would have been a white eye. It would have been a white - white or dark DET. DR. wouldn?t be a red re?ex pupil. DET. DR. by about 10. 12 months of age DET. - does the child - does - is the child gonna be in a lot of pain? DR. DET. DR. uh. they?re not gonna be in any pain. Uh. the - the one child I saw with advanced retinoblastoma in Africa uh. was in a lot of pain. Uh. by that time it had probably gone through what they call Stage IV and had been in the - in the bones. And it was causing bone pain but uh. a gradual progression of an getting bigger and bigger and bigger usually is not gorma cause a lot of pain. DET. DR. in this child. this child had something called neovascular glaucoma. DET. LOCKERBY DR. LAVIN had neovascular glaucoma. DET. what?s that? DR. neovascular glaucoma is a - is a type of pressure - a type of glaucoma that?s rare uh. and it?s due to new blood vessels being formed in the eye. And that can sometimes raise the pressure up signi?cantly. Um. and that can cause - if it does signi?cantly quickly it can cause nausea. vomiting. and - and pain. Uh. I did check the pressure on the child that time. And the pressure wasn?t high. DET. blood pressure? DR. LAVIN2N0. her - her pressure. I?m sorry. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 33 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 34 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. pressure? Okay. DR. - - it?s all pressure. Yeah. DET. Okay. And it was not high? DR. wasn?t high. DET. you have expected to see that in that neural glaucoma? DR. neuro- uh. neovascular glaucoma? DET. DR. DET. you expect to have seen it? DR. would expect to see that at the time when - when - when the - the was - was uh. somewhat healthy and it - you just developed it at that time. The pressure should go very high but at this stage now the is dead. Now the is dying. DET. DR. now that it's dying. the pressures gonna drop. DET. DET. DET. there?s not gonna be a high pressure? DR. not gonna be a high pressure ?cause the at that point is dead. DET. So they come in on the 8th? DR. DET. refer them to Dr. Mukai. We know they go down there on the 12th. the 14th. Somehow they end up back here in Maine in DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 34 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 35 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you didn?t really have anything to do with that. And they see a Dr. Larson there? DR. DET. which I need to follow up with him. Um. then they have the surgery back in Boston on the 22nd. And are they told to follow up with you? Do they - do they initiate follow-up with you on the 25th? How do they get back to you on the 25th? DR. usually what happens at - at that stage is uh. at the time of surgery they oftentimes will start doing the staging. In - in addition the brain scan you have to do a lumbar puncture. DET. DR. have to bo- bo- bone marrow biopsy. And they didn?t have it done. I - I don?t know why that wasn?t done in Boston because the child is sedated anyways. Usually just to do the bone marrow they?ll lumbar puncture. DET. DR. DET. it be because of the um. the insurance? DR. LAVIN:Insurance. DET. DR. And that?s - and that?s - I think DET. PAXSON:Apparently Dr. Mukai didn?t receive one peimy for that procedure. DR. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. DET. PAXSON2Everything was - that was completely done for free. And I - so maybe that? 5 why they referred them back to Maine to get DR. - y- yeah. That?s what I - I think it was. And - and it?s to get the - for the staging but by the time they came to me at the post-op visit DET. who referred - did - did they tell them? DR. DET. they give them instructions at surgery. "Go back to Dr. Lavin for post-op?" 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 35 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 36 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. DR. LAV1N21 - I - I th- I believe I spoke to Dr. Mukai uh. on that - right after surgery. And he said uh. see the patient next week. It was either Monday I spoke to him or it was either that Friday - probably Monday. And um. and he said. "Examine the patient." DET. DR. know. just take a look at the child. Uh. have the child come back the following week uh. and take out." what they call the tarsorrhaphy. He put a stitch - a suture in the eye. DET. I saw that. DR. he said. "Come back um. see the patient post-op. Make sure there?s no infection. Make sure everything?s doing well. Um. and see the patient the following week to take down the uh. um. the - the 1111. the t- tarsorrhaphy." Um. and in that week period were gonna start now - I assume the patient was gomla be coming in on Monday. I?d look at the child to say. "Okay. Now let? 5 go to the next step." DET. DR. get in touch with Dr. uh. Fryberger. Now we have to stage - DET. DR. do the next step of everything. ?Cause I asked him. I said. "Why wasn?t it done? Why didn?t you have it done in Boston?" DET. DR. don?t know the answer to that but I - DET. did you ask that? DR. think I asked to the - to the parents. DET. DR. said. "Well you know. I?m - I?m looking at the child. Um. what else has been done?" DET. - right. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 36 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 37 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. nothing else has been done. And I don?t know my conversation with Mukai. if - if he had mentioned why not DET. DR. think it was the fact that they didn?t have insurance. DET. DR. that?s why he was gonna be done up here. So the next step is - is getting in touch with 11111. uh. Dr. Fryberger and um. and um. and - and st- stating that - that process. DET. how are they um. were they okay with doing the staging? DR. gran- the grandfather was in the room at that time. And uh. he said. "Well I don?t know if - he - he - radation was s- something he was concerned about because. don?t know if I really want radiation for her." Um. and I said. "Well we have to ?nd out. We have to get to - we don?t know what it is." I - I said. "This is either Stage or Stage DET. DR. he said. "Well. what if it?s Stage DET. DR. says. "If it?s Stage IV you know. your - your granddaughters probably gorma die." DET. DR. why do anything?" I said "It may be Stage DET. DR. said. "If it?s Stage I?m gonna go to her wedding." DET. DR. he kind of went. "Okay. Well I?m not sure what we want to do." And I DET. PAXSONzParents say anything? DR. No. Parents no - again it was really led by the grandfather at that point. And I says. "If you want to go to St. Jude?s." - ?cause he gave me information from St. Jude?s that day. We can have it - we can have that happen. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 37 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 38 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. can do that. "Well I don?t know. I heard St. Jude? 5 treat a lot of kids." - I don?t know if he gave an example of someone he knew that went to St. Jude? 5 and died because they had high dose chemotherapy. DET. DR. said - but he gave me the information. I says. "Do you want to go there? We can do that." I said. "But you have to have the staging - and that the next step. DET. some notes DR. DET. this paper for St. Jude? 5. DR. is his. That?s his. DET. tho- these are their notes? DR. That?s his notes. DET. the colunm - on the side here. DR. - that?s all - has some uh. mlderlines. DET. begin a study. high dose intravenous Vitamin C. 1PT. low dose chemo. Insulin Potentiation Therapy." DR. it? not my hand- it could be either - either his or someone Who gave him the information. DET. So they - they hand you this. say. "This is what we would rather do." and you say. I can get you into St. Jude?s?" DR. DET. what do they say to that? DR. and they - then the grandfather said 1111. - I hear people DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 38 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 39 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. from high dose." DET. DR. retro- and in - about I think a day later - later that day I spoke to Dr. Fryberger and she said. "Well it is line that St. Jude?s does go off protocol a lot for last ditch cases - DET. DR. and they often do give high dose DET. DR. aren?t led - led up to protocol - ?cause he says. "Oh. so she might - he might be right that you DET. DR. do die down there." DET. they do that because they want to save the child?s life. DR. right. Exactly. DET. I mean - DR. a last ditch effort. DET. DET. LOCKERBY: Right. DR. DET. - and then that last ditch effort DET. that?s after DR. could work. DET. - I DR. you don?t do it it?s 100 percent chance of mortality. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 39 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 40 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. it does work. there?s a chance. DET. that?s after - DET. a ?ghting chance? DR. ?ghting chance. DET. after the nunor?s been staged? DR. after the tumor has been staged. DET. So then you say. "This tumor needs to be staged before we decide what kind of therapy and um. I?m gonna" - do you tell them you?re gonna arrange this with Dr. Fryberger? DR. DET. do they say to that? DR. I have to go to Arizona tomorrow." DET. what they say? DR. what they said. And I DET. is on the 25th? DR. is - this DET. DR. the day that I saw them. DET. DET. the 8th though? The 25th? DR. the 25th. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 40 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 41 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. yeah. 25th. DR. is on that Mondayand uh. well I said. know I have to see you the following week to do - to take the tarsorrhaphy off. And I said - but he said. "I?ll be back on Friday." He said. have to go. I have to go to a wedding." DET. who says this? DR. LAVINzFather. DET. Okay. DR. have to go to a wedding in Arizona." DET. - he - he was just saying he has to or is he saying anybody else? DR. - well. "We?re going." I- DET. DR. going to a wedding. It?s - it?s - it?s - it?s - again if your child has metastatic cancer you don?t think about going to a wedding. DET. agree. DR. DET. they tell you whose wedding it was by chance? DR. LAVIN2N0. No. DETagain I - I?m - walking tenderly with this - th- I said. "Well you - you have to. but you gotta come home on Friday." He says. "Yes. I?m coming home on Friday." DET. Friday was the of March? DR. was - let?s see. DET. said he was coming DR. is on the 28th. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 41 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 42 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. he was coming home on fr- on Friday. So if he met with you on the 25th he said he was coming home Friday? DR. he said he was coming home Friday. DET. a calendar. So there?s the 25th. That? when he meets with you. DR. yes. Let?s see. I think he was gonna come home Friday. DET. Well the wedding wasn?t even set until the 2nd of March. The wedding DR. there a wedding? DET. DR. was a wedding? Okay. DET. place on the DR. DET. PAXSON: . . .which is Saturday. DR. DET. that wasn?t truthful. DR. Yeah. DET. DR. thought it was gonna be a Friday he was gonna come home. Um. (unintelligible). DETlead you to believe or did he say that he was taking and - and his wife DR. that they were all going. DET. DR. they were all going. DET. he ask if it was okay if she traveled? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 42 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 43 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. don?t recall that. DET. DR. LAV1N21 don?t recall. yeah. that. And um. and - and then uh. uh. let?s see. New w- w- but - but uh. what - what day was the 28th - was what now? DET. was a Thursday. DR. right. So f- it was a Thursday. Okay. So then I started calling him. Doo. doo. doo. doo. doo. U11. you probably read this uh. since I have. DETthe meantime between the 25th and 28th you?ve spoken to Dr. Sarah Fryberger? DR. Right. DET. so you call him on the 28th then? DR. I wanted to know what was happening I think at that time. Um. ?cause I had already talked to Dr. Fryberger. And I said. "If you want to. you know" uh." - doo. doo. doo. doo. doo. Maloney. I called a couple times. I?ve never spoken to him. Um. somewhere along the line I spoke to Fryberger that week. DET. DR. she said that she?s uh. uh. either has or will ?le a - a DHS neglect uh. on - on them. DET. DR. somewhere that week then I spoke to the grandfather. And DET. the phone? DR. the phonesaid that they DET. he call you or DR. LAVIN2N0. No. No. Um. he called me as - he called me and he wanted me to send the information to Robert in Arizona. The grandfather had called me. I think. Yes. He called me ?cause I didn?t have the grandfather?s number. And he wanted me to send the information to uh. to Robert - everything that I have as far as the surgery and stuff like this. Um. I DET. that a- in - is that in your notes here? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 43 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 44 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then - the only way I could d- the only DET. the 28th? DR. The only way I could get that to him. I says. "Well do you have a fax machine? I don?t have." - um. uh. I think it was an email or something. He said. "Well send it to Dr. Maloney. Give it to Dr. Maloney and he?ll fax it down. He knows how to get in touch with me in some fashion." So Maloney sent the information down to them. DET. gave everything to Maloney? DR. Yeah. DET. So did you talk to Dr. Maloney? DR. I - again I spoke don?t know how he runs his of?ce. Um. uh. everything is done by um. uh. uh. answering machine. DET. And so then he returns your call and tells - gives you a fax number? ?Cause it looks DR. re- yeah. I - I DET. 110w did you get it to him? DR. I emailed it to him. DET. DR. - not email. I - I most likely faxed it to him. DET. DR. I don?t - I wouldn?t - I DET. faxed him everything you had - all the records? DR. LAVlNzEverything I had to him. Then the grandfather had called me and said that umreceived the information." Um. and um. and I said. "You have to get home. He has to come back up here." And I think I said at that time -- it? 5 written in there -- tun. that. "If you don?t come back we?re gonna ?le ch- uh. ?le charges for DHS on you." DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 44 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 45 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. he says. "Does that mean that they?re going to take away the baby?" And I says. "They may - they - but they want - it?ll open up a case. They?ll investigate what?s going on." DET. DR. and then he got kind of angry. DET. father? DR. - the grandfather. DET. grandfather? DR. grandfather got angry. And - and I says - and I - that?s when we had the conversa- was that the conversation of St. Jude?s? Um. but DET. That?s it. DR. was the conversation on - on the 28th? DET. DR. had the conversation. DET. So not in the of?ce? DR. in the office. DET. DR. ill the of?ce. DET. PAXSON:Overdosed? DR. then he says that they overdosed. blah. blah. blahand you could tell his voice was getting angry. Then he called me back about ten minutes later. So - and he apologized. DET. DR. um. let?s see. DET. - right here. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 45 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 46 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15: 12:29 Added By: PAXSON. 1 DR. He called me back and apologized. He stated that father received the fax material. And that?s when I told him uh. I think DHS would be involved. Maloney called me back and left a message on my answering machine. And he was very upset saying that?s no way to treat a patient. threatening them with DHS. DET. DR. so um. okay. DET. DET. this - let?s ?nish up here. DET. DET. with - okay. So this is all on the 28th. And it looks like you try and have some more contact with them. What does TC mean? DR. LAVINzTelephone call. DET. PAXSONzTelephone call? Okay. but there?s no answer? DR. LAV1N2N0 answer. DET. then do you have any further contact with him while he? in Arizona? DR. yes. DET. at some point he tells you. "Hey. we?re not coming back?" DR. DET. staying here." DR. DET. and I think that?s when Phoenix Children? 5 Hospital got involved. DR. - right. I - well I knew he was in Arizona and I - and I told him. I said. "We can get you involved Arizona." I said. "If you?re staying down there we can get you involved in Arizona." DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 46 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 47 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. 11111. I called the University of Arizona and they said uh. "This is our numbers for the Children?s Hospital." I spoke to the head of the Oncology Department uh. it?s named here. DET. Eshun? DR. - Eshun. He says. "Well I don?t do retinoblastoma. You should send to this woman. And we made an appointment for her see her. DET. Hingorani. DR. LAVINzHingorani. DET. who is "we made an appointment" - you and Dr. Fryberger? DR. LAVINJ tun. Dr. ryberger and doccalled uh. simultaneously Within ?ve minutes of each other and we both spoke to Dr. Eshlm. DET. DR. he told me about Dr. Hingorani. I called and made the appointment uh. with her. DET. DR. never spoken to her. I spoke to the secretary. DET. DR. I made it for that appointment. Uh. then I um. uh. 5- you know. again this is - a lot of times it?s in the car going back and forth. DET. DR. I sp- I called him back. And I told him. "You have an appointment. This is when it is." DET. DR. is when you want." - um. he - when I called him back on - on a Tuesday down here he said. "Well I was gonna come home but I canceled my ?ight ?cause you wanted me to see Dr. Hingorani." And then either he went to the uh. o- to the hospital u- to the hospital or he - in preregistration in some fashion. When you - when you go - before you go to an appointment the registration of?ce will call you saying. "You know. time - you - you - you remember you have an appointment on Tuesday." 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 47 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 48 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. you tell me a little information about yourself to get DET. Right. DR. he basically said he didn?t have insurance. And it might have been a conversation going 011. I said. "Well - and I have to be back in a few days." DET. DR. this is where they said you have to be here for two weeks. If you?re gonna be staged you can?t be here for just three days. DET. DR. have to see you for a long period of time. DET. DR. he says. can?t. I have to be back in Maine - in - in Maine." That?s what - that?s what um. um. that?s what he had told me. DET. DR. Okay. And again be - be best for you to read this because um. when he was - the day he was supposed to go to the clinic. which either - was either that Monday or Tuesday. And I know that because Tuesday morning. I called him up and - I got - Monday night. Monday night I spoke to him. I said. "Did you go to your appointment?" DET. Monday night the 4th. DR. He said. "No. I didn?t because they said I didn?t have insurance." They said that was his explanation. DET. DR. was his explanation. On Tuesday afternoon I called at the clinic and I asked them. they said. "No. No. That wasn?t it. We told them he had to be here for probably two weeks if he was gomla be staged." DET. DR. he said. have to go home right away." They said. "Then we can?t care of you if you? re gonna he here just for a few days." And he - they told me he said. "I?m going to Minne- Minneapolis or Minnesota." - something like that. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 48 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 49 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. ?ve minutes I called him back up on Tuesday aftemoon. I said. just got off the phone - it was a conference call with several people - social worker. head of the - the - the clinic there in some fashion." And he said uh. I said. "Th- they told me that you said you were going to Mirmesota." DET. DR. he said. "No. I?m not going to Minnesota. I don?t know what they?re talking about. Um. and they wouldn?t see me because I didn?t have insurance." And I told him I don?t believe him anymore. DET. DR. said. "You have to come back up to Maine." I said. "We?ll." - I says. "If you need a - a ?ight - if you need a - if I can write a letter for you for the DET. DR. be happy to do that." And he said. "Well. my mother might because she was supposed to go back and she canceled her ?ight." And I didn?t ask him further if he canceled his ?ight as well. but he was con- more concemed about his mother coming back. And then uh. it was e- then it was probably several days later - a few days later he told me he wasn?t coming back. I called him again. That was on uh. uh. the 5th. I called him on the 7th. left a message. "crucial to get back". And on the 7th. here it is here. So later on the 7th. which would have been Thursday um. he said he was staying in Arizona. DET. you spoke to him on the 7th? DR. spoke to him on the 7th. DET. that the last time you spoke to him? DR. was spo- spoke to him at my house. Um. and 11111. I asked him where he was gonna go. He said. "We?re gonna have treatment down here." "Who?s gorma do it?" He wouldn?t answer. "What was gonna be done?" He wouldn?t answer it. Uh. I said - I said. "Robert. I know you?re interested in - in prayer therapy and non-conventional treatment." but I gave him an analogy. I said. "If you got 011 an airplane to go to Arizona and the pilot says. ?We only have enough fuel to get to c- Connecticut and starting in Connecticut we?re gonna pray that we make it to Arizona? DET. DR. you have gotten on that ?ight?" DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 49 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 50 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. he didn?t answer that. He didn't. DET. DR. just kind of um. I just kind of left it hanging there. DET. Mm-lml. DR. I said. just want to let you know I will pray for you." DET. DR. - and that was it. And he - he said he wasn?t coming back. He said he was having care down there. DET. - but the statement about he told me he was staying in Arizona means he? gorma be living in Arizona and not coming back when you DR. - I - I assume he was staying in Arizona. He wasn?t coming back to Maine. And I didn?t ask him if he was living - living there. staying DET. DR. hi- his treatment was gomla be done. he was gomla eventually come back to Maine DET. didn?t know? DR. DET. DR. I was gonna give him a call - I was gonna gi- was gonna let - let this sit for a week and then call back. DETand that?s when I got a DET. the medical examiner? DR. LAVINL. from the medical examiner. DET. the 13th? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 50 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 51 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. that - that - that she died. Um. so I didn?t think it was gomla be that quickly but I - I?m 5- and that?s why it shouldn?t be that quickly. The only thing I can think the medication I mean the DET. that was my next line of questioning. DR. DET. PAXSON2D0 you know anything about that amygdalin or Laetrile DR. Laetrile has - back in the seventies was uh. I think it was um. w- some pits of uh DET. DR. LAVIN2apricot pits. DETwas very controversial at the time. Um. I?ve looked at - basically they don?t - people don?t believe it right now. Um. in fact there? 5 a - one of the representatives - when I went through the web pages and apparently there?s some representative there in - in Arizona who?s trying to uh. DET. DR. DET. Kavanagh. DET. DR. because c- from my understanding it cannot be t- transported across - across state lines. DET. That?s correct. DR. that?s why it? 5 coming up over from Mexico. DETthat time I didn?t know what he was doing. Uh. he?s having treatment. DET. he didn?t tell you what kind of treatment? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 51 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 52 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. No. No. And then this is um. several days later from - the medical examiner called me. Uh. I don?t know if you know these names - DET. DR. Farmer. DET. Dr. Grout. DR. DET. I don?t - Karen Farmer? DR. Hom DET. Dr. Horn. DR. he had ta- he told me that she died. That?s when I ?rst found out about it. Uh. something like three or four doses orally. high toxicity. it goes to cyanide when it?s in the gut. It should be given IV if it? 5 given at all. DET. DR. then she had - from my lulderstanding is uh. they called the doctor at the time. And she said. "Don?t go to the emergency room. Come back to my clinic." Apparently they performed CPR. called the ambulance. and - and the baby was dead. DET. DR. don?t know where the baby died or anything about it uh. what happened there. DET. you touched on this a little bit earlier. You - you have not personally seen a case this advanced? DR. DET. but are you familiar with cases that are this advanced tun. how quickly patients die? I mean d- basically what DR. DET. on the information DR. Min-hm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 52 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 53 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. given you - or that the medical examiner?s given DR. DET. 110w quickly this child died 011 the aftemoon of the 13th - she?s having a picnic in the park DR. DET. and 2:00 pm where she?s DR. DET. and having with - time with family. She goes into the doctor?s of?ce at approximately 3:45 p111. DR. DET. PAXSON:Witnesses there at the doctor?s of?ce say they saw her playing. Um. looks like she had just woken up from a nap. but they did see her playing. Doctor?s notes um. Dr. Martha Grout's notes. say that the child was 11111. a- alert basically and you know. happy. normal. DR. Min-hm. DET. that?s at that 3:45. DR. DET. 15 pm we know that the parents contact the doctor - probably the father. DR. was she treated that day? DET. PAXSON:Approximately 3:45 pm. DR. okay. Yeah. DET. 15 pm 11111. is the time period that we?re giving where I?m assuming it? father but it could be mother. Parents somehow contact the doctor?s of?ce. Doctor?s of?ce is closed. It closed at 5:00. Contact the doctor though and say um. she?s crying in a way that? unusual for her. not acting right. Um. that? 5 what the doctor? 5 notes say. According to what the ER personnel - the information that they received that night was that um. breathing 11111. dif?culty DR. DET. stomach. Um. I mean it seems like this - in - in about 90 minutes things 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 53 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Supplement Page: 54 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J DR. LAVIN:Yeah. DET. PAXSON:...quite - quite quickly. Would retinoblastoma do that that quickly? Is that your opinion? DR. LAVIN:No. DET. PAXSON:Or... DR. LAVIN:No. It wouldn`t. Uh, in fact I - I looked this up specifically. And - and - and - and looking at untreated retinoblastoma and natural history and why you would even have that, I don`t know - probably in third world country situations but ages 3 and 4 years of age, they can live after age 3, 4 years of age. It was bone metastasis, very painful. Um, and - but it`s - it`s not a - an acute death uh, at - at Stage IV. Uh, it`s - it`s uh... DET. PAXSON:One doctor described it as um, a lingering... DR. LAVIN:Yeah. DET. PAXSON:...um, misery of a death. DR. LAVIN:Right. DET. PAXSON:Would you agree with that? DR. LAVIN:Absolutely. DET. PAXSON:Okay. DR. LAVIN:Yeah. DET. PAXSON:And I think Dr. Grabowski uh, made the comment to me that once it travels to the brain it would affect the brain in such a way that you`d - the - the child would no longer be able to take anything by mouth. DR. LAVIN:Mm-hm. DET. PAXSON:Is that - would you agree with that? DR. LAVIN:Absolutely. Yeah. DET. PAXSON:Okay. So if she was having a picnic in the park and eating lunch and then even able to take the Laetrile orally at 3:45... 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 54 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 55 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. her brain was still working if she could take these things orally. DR. I - I think this is a - a - it?s a no brainer that it DET. 5 related DR. was related to the - the medication. It wasn't the retinoblastoma that killed her. DET. Okay. Um. okay. So the last time you spoke to them was on the 7th. DR. was on the 7th. DET. And he said. "We?re staying here. We like the weather. We?re gomla get treatment here." but he didn?t elaborate on the type of treatment. DR. DET. that was the last time. They haven?t contacted you since they got back to Maine DR. LAVIN2N0. No. DET. give you a follow-up on what happened? DR. DET. DR. DET. else about them? DR. no. DET. - and I think we touched on this but I want to make sure I clarify this. Your contact with the mom and DR. DET. issues at all when you?re explaining to them the - the sense of urgency that they did not lmderstand what you meant? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 55 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 56 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. LAVIN2N0. I - they - they knew. I - I said that. "Your child will die." They - DET. the child?s reaction - or the mother?s reaction was she cried? DR. whimpered a little DET. DR. the father was very stoic and grandfather. DET. - any - any issues that you saw that you perceived that they had any - that the parents had any mental issues? Like they don?t understand because they?re not smart? DR. LAVIN2N0and Maine has a lot of uh. uh. poor people. DET. DR. uh. very. very poor people. And these are not your typical backwoods people who are poor and uneducated. They seem to be uh. educated. well-dressed. They were not disheveled. Uh. grandfather would look like any - any other (unintelligible). DET. they ask intelligent questions to you? DR. yes uh. more so than most parents because uh. they don?t - they would not have come in researched retinoblastoma and tr- var- and alternative treatment. So more than the average patient I see in Maine. DET. DR. Yeah. DET. you. DET. Can you think of anything else. Dr. DR. DET. would be helpful for us to know? I really appreciate you taking the time. You know. we?re j- we?re kind of working backwards here because obviously the people with the best information. the most information are the DR. DET. um. we haven?t had the luxury of. you know. talking to them. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 56 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 57 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. No. Uh. it? - it?s very disturbing and - and - and um. because you - you - you think any parent whose child died from a doctor?s care or something like that. "What went wrong. doctor?" I - I think they?re - they?re - they are - their baseline - even if they didn?t have a child is they don?t trust - they don?t trust. DET. DR. don?t trust you. They don?t trust the government. They don?t trust anybody. DET. DR. and uh. they were odd in that fact. Um. but DET. was something on here. Um. they agreed to see you when Dr. Maloney told them that the doctors weren?t trying to take over God?s role but were assisting him during his healing process. Did they mention anything to you about. "Hey. this is God?s will." DR. DET. they mention anything about that to you? DR. I was surprised about that because I was the one who brought up the pr- praying. DET. praying? DR. they didn?t mention about you know. we - we - they weren?t fervent religious. "We want God to - to take over. We wanna pray over this." DET. didn?t - they didn?t mention anything about that? DR. nothing. Nothing. DET. DR. DET. Have you spoken to Dr. Fryberger since? DR. I haven?t spoken to her DET. DR. since um. I didn?t even talk to her ?cause I knew you - you were in touch with her as far as her death. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 57 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 58 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:12:29 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. assume that - but I haven?t spoken to her at all. DET. to Dr. Mukai or any of the other doctors? DR. DET. - any of you talked about this? Okay. DR. DET. right. Um. well do you have any questions for us? DR. I mean I?d like to follow the case just DET. DR. much as I can. And DET. going to write - I?m gonna give you my business card. DR. DET. I?m gonna show you how you can follow it. Um. we?re out of battery. That?s all that?s doing. DR. You heading back tonight DET. no. DR. - you actually - you have usually - I mean I don?t know Dr. Maloney but uh. he - it?s - it?s - it? uh. it?s an odd uh. practice This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 58 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONIC INTERVIEW WII DR. JONATHAN MURPHY ON 3-20-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Dr. Jonathan Murphy DR. my DET. DR. your time. uh. coincide so I thought I?d call right at the hour. if possible. DET. you for calling me back. um. I won?t take up too much of your time. Uh. so do you work at Oasis for Healing? DR. MURPHYI do. DETArizona licensed physician. yeah. DET. How do you pronomice the woman?s name that I spoke to yesterday? DR. you may have spoken to Clothild? DET. Clothild - yeah it - it I knew it was DR. MURPHYA British name DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY like that. DET. okay so did she tell you - did she kind of give you some history of why I was calling? DR. yeah she said that there was a question of a wrongful death involving. uh. B17 Laetrile. DET. DR. I said. "Well that?s my alley. I mean if DET. right. DR. MURPHY.. kno- kno- knows and uses it in the United States. it?s Michael Schachter in. uh. Suffem. New York and. uh. me here in Arizona. yeah. DET. I am so happy to have come across you then. perfect. Okay so I have some questions about it. U111. ?rst understanding that it? not - it? not used in every state but it used in Arizona. is that correct? DR. I think. um. there? a - there? 5 a long - yeah you - you can look up the uh - the. you know. like - Ronald Reagan said that it would be available in every state in the union when he was ?rst elected and that and. uh - and then the - the medical board in California said that it will not be used in the State of California and. uh. Jay Rockefeller in West Virginia - and uh. the governor at the time said. um. it will be used and allowed in West Virginia. The courts upheld it?s use in the state of Ohio. and. um. because the FDA could not ?nd any reason not to. ?cause they couldn?t anything that. you know. was toxic about ?em. DET. DR. MURPHY And bunch of - Bohanon and his g- group b- in. uh - uh. Oklahoma City also had a similar comt trial regarding its. you know. use and safety but. anyway. DET. now. um. Dr. Murphy. is it - is it safe to use with children? DR. I?ve used it in down to 5-years-old. yeah I DET. DR. MURPHY.. me - I?ve not used it in 18-month-olds but that?s just something I haven?t tried. You know. as long asit?s. um. you know. I can give more of it than I can give of salt water or sugar water. DET. DR. - ?cause it?s that safe as long as you give intravenously and. you know. it?s just a - we give 18.000 - 30.000 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. milligrams a day sometimes to (End of Audio Recording - Part 1) DR. MURPHY if you were out of the oral form and you?d been taking - taking it - you might try it I suppose. but. um. well I - I?ve never tried that before I don?t think it? DET. DR. DET. so. um. as far as you know that does not come in a liquid form? DR. no it comes in injectable form and it comes in a - a DET. DR. the only way we give it (inaudible). DET. if it?s an eighteen month-old baby. um. and I?m - I?m being told three cc?s or one gram. What do you - how do you think that DR. 011 yeah. that?s de?nitely a - a. uh. 3 cc?s of the injectable would be one gram. DET. DR. be the equivalent of two tablets. that DET. DR. MURPHY DET. would that - I guess there?s just not enough information out there for me to know or even - when I?ve - when I?ve talked to some regular doctors. um. that don?t use this kind of treatment. what - I guess what I?m wondering is. is this a normal does to give a lS-month-old baby? DR. would be in - in - by injection though. I mean that? not DET. - but by mouth? It was given orally by mouth. DR. The - the oral dose would be. um. following the - a - you. know. successful use intravenously in most customs and most. um. you know. uh. guidelines so that - um. to give a dose as an oral dose is not I don?t know of 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. I take - I take that much myself daily. DET. DR. MURPHY have no problem with it. but I take it in tablet form. DET. take it in tablet DR. DET. DR. MURPHY and see it?s the best cancer preventer. you know. you could ever ?nd. DET. DR. uh. didn't - no - nobody argues about it being the best cancer preventer. DET. DR. - it?s just a matter of some people saying it?s not effective and in - in fact it?s not always effective but it?s 60% of the time makes some signi?cant improvement over the patients health. So yeah. I would say that?s. uh - uh a appropriate. uh. intravenous dosage. DET. PAXSONzIntravenous but maybe not by mouth? DR. let me calculate the - um. do you know how much your child weighs? How much DET. she DR. MURPHY :111 kilograms hopefully. DET. in kilograms huh? Um. well let?s see here I would DR. DET. just going by - I went to the autopsy so I saw her there. I?m just - I?m gonna - I?m gonna estimate DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. 23 pounds maybe. DR. to someone else in the background: Uh. on her and then - and. uh. yeah that could be uh. (unintelligible).] DET. kilograms which DR. MURPHY :I?m sorry. DET. me to convert that? DR. if you can give me pounds I can convert 22 pounds is 10 kilos. DET. say - yeah let?s say 20- let?s - let?s go with 22 - 26 pounds. DR. MURPHY :So 10? So. yeah. 150 milligrams would be an oral dose. I mean. I would even consider 250 milligrams because it?s. you know. safe and that just happens to be a fourth of the tablet. yeah. DET. DR. mean he dosed her up to - kind of come up with. DET. so three cc?s. 110w does that convert then? DR. would be. um. 1.000 milligrams. it would be - 011 about 4 times what I would suggest would be your oral dose. DET. so. um. thank you - um - so here?s what happened. This child had advanced retinoblastoma and she had underwent surgery on February 22nd where they had - they removed the - the tumor and the because the tumor was so large and. 11111. then the family traveled out here and were really seeking. um. a more. uh. natural approach to dealing with this cancer that the child had. Um. and they went to see a doctor out here and this is the - the dose that this child was given on the 13th of March at about 3: 15 pm. Prior to - prior to seeing the doctor that aftemoon this child was. um. ?ne for all - all practical purposes. I mean she - her eye. you know. she just had surgery but the rest picnic lunch in the park and. you know. regular 18-month-old child is - is what we?re being told. Um. she is given this dose at approximately 3:15 pm and by 5:15 pm she?s having a bloated abdomen - bloated stomach and shortness of breath. U111. within an hour of that. um. approximately. she is - she has stopped breathing. And CPR is initiated. um. 911 is called and they?re unable to revive her. She do- she never gains consciousness and she? pronounced dead at 7:56 pm that night. DR. no. I am so DET. DR. hear that. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. the case that we?re working. And the DR. DET. I?ve talked to that are retinoblastoma specialists are saying that restolbalt? um. retinoblastoma is a lingering death. it is not something that comes on that sudden. so I?m DR. that? 5 light it is. DET. DR. unfairly. uh. advanced. DET. what I?m wondering is are we looking at something that?s related to this treatment of Laetrile? DR. MURPHY :Um. and that would actually be. uh. I mean. if I were the. um. examining pathologist I would want to collect body DET. we DR. for (unintelligible). DET. they did that at the autopsy and we?re waiting on that but that takes a little bit of time. DR. - now that shouldn?t - no - no don?t be fooled. uh. you can get that cyanide rate by a simple bench test in minutes. DET. DR. MURPHY :There?s no - and. you know. so there should be 110. um. I?m mean (unintelligible) that you to wanted to have a complete DET. DR. doesn?t take at all. uh. to test for cyanide in a body substance. the body ?uids. Uh. it just. you know - you can do that at a - at a bench 011 the bedside. DET. do you think? Based on the I?m telling you and the time-frame I just gave you. what do you think - wh- are you thinking. uh. that the - the. uh. conventional medical DR. I 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. uh. "That?s not death from the tumor.". um. but what are DR. - no I DET. PAXSON: . . .thoughts? DR. MURPHY :You know. retinoblastoma is a progression. and 11111. you know. just - um. it?s - um. a misery of a death but it?s not a sudden death. And to me. um. you were talking about a gram orally right? DET. gram DR. with. DET. a DR. DET. PAXSON: . . .baby. yes. DR. and - and then again. um. you know. I wouldn?t normallytablet form consider it to be anything serious but in this case. the time course says it is. you know DET. what do you think about DR. think DET. PAXSON: . . . DR. well I would also want to know if the child. you know. turned blue - I mean prior to stopping DET. DR. MURPHY if there was cyanide. Were there any other signs of cyanide toxicity? Rapid breathing. 11111. anything that - that yeah - yeah I think that the - the possibility exists that that? a result of it. DET. DR. MURPHY :Of - of. uh. treatment - uh. to get to (unintelligible) now here?s the thing. is that. you know. cancer can make cyanide out of. uh. Laetrile. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :And then there are certain. um. you know. microbes that in high quantities could do that such as a sick child. uh. you know. some kind of overgrowth of bacteria in the gut. DET. DR. could release from cyanide and that would be a. you DET. DR. MURPHY certain. um. an untoward - or unexpected - yeah something or other. DET. you any type of tests for that kind of thing before you would treat a patient with Laeuile? DR. no I mean - I would normally start with intravenous (inaudible) so. DET. while the DR. uh. DET. handles it? DR. because it? totally non-toxic in. uh. intravenous form. And - and they - in fact the only way they were able to make it toxic in animals - in lab animals - was to. to force feed massive quantities by mouth. DET. DR. MURPHY :So the - there was a study in laboratory rats and in dogs and until they got to about. um. I think don?t quote 011 this. I don?t feel - I?ll get you the article if you would like -- but it?s - I think it was a 100 milligrams per kilogram not what you?re telling me is. mm. yeah -- but anyway. you use about a 100 milligrams per kilogram in oral dosage they could ?nd nausea and. um - and the cyanide release in the dogs and the rats. DET. DR. MURPHY2S0 if massive quantities fed by mouth were -- and there was also a case. you know. because this occurs in. um. you know. in seeds - in common seeds of the - the Vitamin B17. although that?s not a vitamin. actually it?s a - accessory food factor but it? 5 found in just about every food and seed that? 5 grown in the gromld. DET. DR. processed out ?rom - for some reason because seeds are removed I guess for - because they go rancid. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. uh. it?s - one case of a - of a man who saved up apple seeds. DET. DR. ate his apples but didn?t eat the core. He saved the core and peeled out the apple seeds and had. uh. a coupe ounces of apple seeds saved up. you know. which could be a pretty massive quantity of DET. DR. saved up. And he ate those all at once thinking he?s gonna. you know. get rid of any cancer he had and he got cyanide toxic. so there are cases where oral. uh. Laetrile in large quantities has led to toxicity. yeah. DET. and I'm - I?m just wondering if maybe it was a combination of being orally. um. the size of the DR. DET. the advanced stage of her cancer? DR. DET. me ask you this now. um. also and I hope - I don?t know if it?s something you can?t answer then you let me know -- but when a patient comes to you. uh. for altemative treatment and they have a history - they?ve - I mean obviously this child is missing an eye. she?s got stiches over her eye. this is recent surgery. um. should the doctor maybe have checked with her - the la- the last doctor she saw who maybe did the surgery and get some history or is that not common practice to - to consult with another physician before you start a treatment? DR. don?t think it?s common practice. it is - it is sensible. DET. DR. - so DET. DR. I would say it? not standard of practice but it - it is sensible. You know. eh - when I was in training. um. you know back to the early 80?s. it was ahnost always. uh. the physicians talk one to the other. you know. got on the telephone DET. DR. a letter. whatever. In the last 10 years -- and in fact I quit teaching at the. um. University Hospital because I 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. just got tired of you - uh. I mean it was. uh. just of the collegial nature of medicine had gone away and everybody?s cutthroat. DET. DR. know what I mean? DET. DR. don?t mean it just like cutthroat but I just - it?s not a collegial group of people. you know. like. you know. one detective talks to the other. you know - you?re gorma come across you can talk about a case. you know? And doctors used to do that. have a cup of coffee or. you know? But then DET. and the - I think you used the best word sensible. I mean - and maybe I?m just being cautious but I -- and I?m de?nitely not a doctor - I?m a police of?cer. right? But I?m looking at this like an 18-month-child comes in. it - it just seems really risky to number one. do this dose orally. um. at - if it?s the ?rst time. I don?t know - I haven?t spoken to the doctor yet and the parents haven?t given us a statement. so I?m - I?m kind of having to do my homework kinda backwards here. but it just seems kind of risky to - to not reach out and get some history on this child and then maybe give a dose. um. orally for the ?rst time without really knowing what you? re dealing with. DR. yeah. Injectable is always the way experience we?ve always used an injectable. I mean. you know. on cancer patients. Everybody?s gonna head to California just because for smokers DET. DR. to prevent cancer and that is to take. you know. a quarter of a 500 milligram tablet or a symbol or two of the 100 milligram tablets they make as a cancer preventer. But it seems odd. you know. how I?m sitting there smoking and I?m preventing cancer. right? It? causing cancer but preventing it at the same time. what are you doing to yourself? DET. Yeah. right. seriously. DR. MURPHY :But. you know. it?s - it?s - so true that you know. uh. orally yeah I?ve taken 500 to a 1.000 milligrams no problem. but I all- always administered intravenously because you can give so much and it?s so safe. there?s never been DET. DR. of it - yeah - there?s never been a case of any untoward side-effects. or. um. toxicity if it? 5 given intravenously. DET. so if I have. um - if I have any more questions can I reach you at this number? DR. this is my cellular nmnber. nml-hm. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :It?s - I?m - I?m from West Virginia originally so you can see if it?s the 304 area code but that? 5 just ?cause I?ve kept my old number. DET. PAXSONzPerfect and you are - you?re a specialist in this? DR. I?m internal medicine. pediatrics. and holistic medicine and I do - I guess without a board certi?cation. integrative oncology. So yes. I am a specialist in this. DET. - in speci?cally Laetrile? DR. DET. you - DR. MURPHY :That?s exactly right. DET. what you treat people with? This is awesome that I found you. DR. have trouble ?nding anybody othe -- well. Mike - Mike Schachter up in New York. has a bit more experience. he?s in Suffem. New York. he? DET. DR. guy too if you want to call him. uh. S-C-H-A-C-T-E-R. DET. DR. MURPHY:Schachter. DET. DR. MURPHY2A-C-T-C-E-R. that?s Schacter. DET. Schacter? DR. MURPHY:(Unintelligible) yeah S-C-H -- S-C-H-A-C-T-E-R. DET. DR. MURPHY:Schacter yeah. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. he?s in New York? DR. Suffern. New York and you know so he would be another expert and. you know. um. he- DET. his ?rst name? DR. you do - Michael. DET. Okay. DR. MURPHY :If you go south of the. um - um. you know. in - into Mexico there?s a number of clinics there that have offered this. uh. so. you know. I don?t -- let's see he was. um. - gon- un. Contreras. yeah. uh. Dr. Contreras in Tijuana. DET. DR. MURPHY and - and he?s written a - um. extensively on it. Who DET11111. let me see whose book - um. DET. I can just. DR. you need some more references I?ll be glad to give you some more just call me. okay? DET. I will. Are you in West Virginia. are you at - are you here in Arizona at the Oasis for Healing? DR. MURPHY :I?m in Mesa. yeah. I?m not in West - uh. I - I was there or - or West Virginia in 2000. uh. 1 1. DET. PAXSONzPerfect. okay. DR. DET. DR. Hillbillies. remember that? DET. I DR. DET. let - let me ask you another thing. do you know Dr. Martha Grout up here in Scottsdale? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :Oh yeah. DET. that?s the doctor that administered this to the - to this child(unintelligible) I think. DET. DR. yeah but I know she is. I don?t think. I know she is. DET. I - from what I gather in talking to. 11111. the woman yesterday at your clinic there. um. it sounds like she?s very reputable here in the valley. DR. MURPHY:[talking to someone else in the background: no she?ll have to get it when she gets back. Is it time? I mean has she got time?] I?m sorry DET. okay. DR. sorry I just had a - a somebody come up to me and ask a question and I - just interrupted us. Without saying I interrupted us. DET. that?s okay. DR. MURPHY :Yeah. No I - I know Dr. Grout. I know. 11111 - uh. let?s see - um. her husband and - yeah. uh. that would be Stuprisillg. um. uh. somewhat to me - 11111. DET. DR. the same time. um. you know - um. - I guess it?s just - that?s the way this happens or surprisingly not. it is. DET. - yeah and. uh. you know. and I?m not. um. I mean obviously this child died and I - I don?t know that the child needed to die that day so I am try- I mean we - we?re investigating that and I?m trying to ?gure this out and I - and I?m not trying to put you on the spot but it does sound DR. DET. maybe DR. DET. this was the ?rst time was not the right idea 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. it made the DR. does related. DET. dose was not. um. the appropriate dosage. DR. MURPHY:(inaudible) something. right - yeah it?s. DET. that what it somlds like to you? DR. What it sounds like it?s - and then. you know. then the. um. medical examiner/pathologist would DET. Oh of DR. next one to DET. waiting - yeah. that's exactly what I?m waiting for. you know. DR. MURPHY :But you - you can jump on his case and say. uh. someone told me that cyanide detemlination is - takes. DET. I put a call DR. moment. DET. I put a call into them today 0- obviously. you know. Scottsdale PD is really anxious to get those results back. um. but I?m not sure - I think they go out to a lab so I?m not sure if - that they have ultimate control over it so I did put a call into the doctor there that did the autopsy and hopefully we can get some results back a little quicker DR. DET. Okay well I have DR. I mean. if they are sent out. I mlderstand fully. DET. DR. makes a difference. DET. you so much for returning my call and I?m - I am a 100% certain I?m gonna have additional questions later 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:51 Added By: (600) prsoN. on. so if DR. DET. you that would be great. DR. can call or text I?m arou- around - available. DET. Dr. Murphy thank DR. if I?m with patients I won?t answer. I?ll let it go to my voicemail. DET. course and is it Murphy DR. correct. DET. then Jonathan with an H-N or just an DR. an N. DET. J-O-N-A-T-H-A- DR. correct. DET. thank you so very much. DR. to someone in the background: She - she does have a right chest mass too. so] Okay. Thank you you?re welcome. DET. PAXSONzlhank you. bye-bye. DR. This transcript was reviewed with the related audio recording and it is an accurate transcript. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH GRACE DANIEL ON 3-16-13 SCOTTSDALE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Det. John Heinzehnan #844 Grace Daniel DET. Robert. you can go right in there and Grace. you?re going to go right in here. I?ll be right back. okay? [Det. Paxson steps out of the room to speak to Robert in the interview room across the hall] DET. Robert. there? 5 a copy of the order. And we got another detective that?s coming and will speak - speak to Grace. [Det. Paxson returns to Grace?s interview room] DET. another Detective?s gonna come and help me. he?ll be right with you. You can take a seat light over there in that chair. okay? He?ll be right - I?m ?ne. [Det. Paxson leaves the room and walks across the hall to the interview room where Robert Maynard is waiting]. DET. you. Okay. Robert. do you have your driver? 5 license on you? [Det. Paxson. Det. Lockerby. and Det. Heinzehnan have a conversation in the hall outside the interview room.] DET. Do you wanna. um - um. I just got driver?s license information. John. Who?s 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. gonna take care of her. DET. You wanna come on - we?ll - I?ll do. uh. buccal ?rst. DET. DET. who?s gonna do the photos? DET. got the camera. DET grab them real quick. DET. Hugh. if you want. um. wherever you want to start. DET. then I can come in and give you the print stuff. DET. prints. yeah. and then you can come in here and yeah DET. DET. Um. a copy of the order is right there. Hugh. DET. DET. you got an envelope and a buccal swab right there. DET. Hi how are you? DET. DET. I?m Hugh. nice to meet you. Grace. DET. DET. second. DET. Heinzehnan. one of the detectives here. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. they?re - they?re just gonna take a few seconds here. um -- all right Grace do you understand we?re - why we?re here right now? trying to identify us. DET. - yeah. um. there - sorry - um. DET. do you want me to just grab a photograph of her? DET. DET. DET. know what. John. I need to go grab gloves DET. gonna DET. DET. the buccal. I?ll be right back - I?ll be right back. Robert. DET. Um. part of - because you guys are from out of state. um. I just warma get a quick photograph of you. DET. that?s okay? should I stand? DET. you can just stand right here is good. There you go. Okay - okay. thank you. DET. you go. Have a seat. relax. This is gonna take just a few minutes. I gotta ?ll out some paperwork here real quick. All right. a signature. all these ?leave blank areas?. I?m trying to - okay here we go. [1111. last name is Maynard is that correct? Is that - my legal last name is Daniel. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. that?s no just Daniel? GRACE2Correct. DET. legal ?rst name? DET. And your middle name Grace? GRACEzLucille. L-U-C-I-L-L-E. DET. and. um. do you - are you married then - legally married? legally. DET. legally married. so - but you do also go by Grace Maynard is that - is that correct? yes. DET. do you have a - an ID on you? DET. you. It?s out of Virginia then? yes. DET. Can you have John - 011. he? not with you anymore? DET. gone back. DET. Can we - if he comes into your interview room ?rst. can - just wanted him to take a picture of that real quick. DET. Sounds good. DET. so it?s Grace Lucille -- you used to live in Bedford. Virginia? DET. you live in? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: PAXSON. Maine. DET. Maine. okay and. uh. let?s see - um. date of birth . is that accurate? DET. other names or any other. tun. date of birth? 5 you?ve ever used in your life? um. sometimes I go by Gracie. but DET. but never like - you?ve never had an ID from let?s say Massachusetts - DET. different name? the only ID I?ve had. DET. what is your Social Security Nlunber ma?am? DET. LOCKERBY I - I think that?s - I think that?s accurate. DET. all right -- here it is. It?s been a while since I?ve ?lled one of these things out. so I apologize if I?m takin? a little bit of time because I have not - I don?t remember where all the blocks are. Uh. all right. how much do you think you weigh? right now probably 117. DET. um. I don?t see it on here. what is the color of your eyes. brown? GRACEzThey?re brown. DET. hair is brown also? DET. all right. I just got that little infomlation. um. do you understand why we?re here? We?re here because. um. a couple different reasons. Um. one of them is obviously we?re conducting an investigation of your daughter all right? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. Um. we - due to the fact that - I mean - I don?t wanna get into too much. but I want you to know that you can ask questions you - that you have of kind - of what?s goin? on in the proce- the why we?re here right now but. my partner and I weren?t able to talk to you the day Gracie passed away - or excuse me. I?m sorry. GRACE DET. LOCKERBY - sorry - sorry Grace. ?ne. DET. meant to say I apologize. And I understand this is a very tramnatic event for you guys. you?re going through a lot. um. we - um. we didn?t get a chance to speak with you so. what we had to do is we couldn?t get a hold of anyone. we didn?t know where you were at. no one?s answering phones or anything. we ended up having to get a - a physical evidence order. which is an order from a judge. DET. is - this is for you. DET. this is basically. tun. spells out why we brought you here in today. um. you came in on your own volition so it wasn?t like we had to come track you down and - and bang on your door and - and - and get you to come out - you came over here on your own. so this is more of a - just a - I wanna say formality. DET. it?s also and - and it is an order from a judge to collect your ?ngerprints. uh. a buccal swab. okay? DET. - and then get your fmgerprints. okay? ?Cause you are out-of-state. um. we did not know ?rst of all that you?re from Virginia and that you had a driver?s license from there. DET. LOCKERBY280. um. with that being said. you know. we thought you were from Maine. we couldn?t ?nd any record of you anywhere. so okay. DET. it?s - it was kinda like well who really are Grace Maynard. is she. tun. you know is she Grace Jones. is she. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. you know. we didn?t who you were. So this is more or less just a formality wider the State of Arizona. um. a judge - um. can order - um. from - if. uh. police write a - what?s called an af?davit or an application for identifying some characteristics which would be your DNA - your ?ngerprints and your photograph. DET. can ask for. uh. an order was - which we did last night. If there?s a - a - an investigation that we?re conducting. DET. are conducting a child abuse investigation right now. abuse? DET. child abuse and that?s why that - that is right there you?ll see the - that there is probable cause to believe that child abuse may have been committed. We don?t know. we?re not saying that you cormnitted that right now. that?s not what this says - this is saying that there is a potential - there is a probable cause to believe that the child died as a result of this. possibly. I mean we- we haven?t gotten a ?nal word back from the medical examiner and nor will we tomorrow I mean this is gomra take a - a long time. DET. and this identi?es what we?re asking to take from you. or what the judge is ordering you to give us. DET. you fail to. um - um - if you fail to obey this order. you will be held in - in - in custody to see a judge for not - for failing to. uh. interfering with the uh - uh - uh of?cial court order. DET. you understand all that? I understand. DET. know that?s a - a lot of information and it - and I?ve - trust me if - if you need to repeat - if you need to me GRACE2N0 I - I get it. DET. it at all? Okay good. all right. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. for you. DET. can hold onto it and read through it if you? (1 like. 1111]. let us - 11111. let us get this part done ?rst. DET. Do you have any questions at all. before I start? DET. the rubber gloves is just for my safety and for yours. We?ve had people get freaked out by that. And all this is is basically a large Q-tip. DET. right so if I could just have you open up your mouth real quick? And then this is just taking the cells off the side of your mouth. DET. you go. all right. isn?t anything on that is there? Like on the Q-tip? Okay. DET. it?s - it?s - that?s why it?s sealed. okay. all right. DET. that?s why it?s - it?s a cotton swab. DNA collection so this - it?s a sterile - it?s a sterile environment. DET. right - all right. DET. license. DET if you wanna take a photo of that. 11111. the next thing let?s do - let?s work on is getting your ?ngerprints. This is gonna take a little bit more of. um. this is an inkless pad. okay so there?s no ink on there. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. okay. DET. So what I?m gonna need you to do is take - I?m gorma call - I?m gomla have - if - if you can scoot up a little bit or somethin? or you may have to maneuver that chair just a little bit. Um. but you see 110w it?s right in - right thumb and right index ?nger. you know. and we have to do each DET. then we?re gonna do. um. left four ?ngers simultaneously. the left thumb - right thumb and then your right four ?ngers. DET. LOCKERBY280 we just get all the different pads. does - does that make sense? DET. so let?s start off with the right thumb. right. so just DET. you need to is just let me do all the work and you okay. DET. just get to hang back and justthere. DET. why don?t you stand. it?d probably be easier to stand. All right and you just let me do all the pressing. okay? DET. right. Let? 5 see. For whatever reason. this is not working on this paper because it? the wrong paper. DET. use this piece because this is what this is for. All right. We?re going to start over again. my bad. okay. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. is - this is the type of paper that needs - so let?s start over again - let?s get this there and this is your right index - there. Okay. your right - your right thumb. Sorry. Right there. okay - I?m sorry. Okay what else here? All right. now let?s try the left hand - all light. same thing as before. what is that. is that a chemical of some sort? DET. is a good question. I?m not sure. I am not sure what it does - it?s magic in a way. We don?t have the. um. ink anymore - at least not in our possession. DET. that?s why we have to resort to these new technology and new things. Let me just take a look at these real quick. I will - uh. do you wanna use the bathroom in - in a second here and wash your hands if you?d like. sure. DET. DET. just have a seat real quick. I think you did pretty good. um - I think I got most of this information. Um. I just need you to sign right here DET. I took your fmgerprints. I?ll ?ll out the rest later since I put it in another one. All right. thank you. I think that should be about it for fingerprints. Um. okay. um. okay I think - is he your boyyour husband or your boyfriend? 5 considered my husband. DET. husband? DET. um. I don?t know where he?s at and I don?t wanna interrupt them if they?re in middle of doin? what we were just doin?. Let?s. 11111 - let?s just talk real quick. um. about. 11111. a little bit - what are we going to continue with. um -- ?rst of all. now that this order is done and we?ve taken this from you. I want you to know that you?re - you?re free to leave at any time. okay? DET. not arrest? Do you understand that? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. is that a yes? DET. good. Sorry. Um. so with that being said. there are - there are some questions that we have - that we would like to. uh. go over with you about. um - about what happened the other day. um. because you had never - we hadn?t a chance to talk to anyone. especially you as the mom of Um. would that be okay if we kind of go over some of that? I don?t wanna - I don?t wanna talk without a lawyer. DET. don?t wam1a talk without a lawyer - you understand that you?re not lulder arrest? I - DET. unders. .. DET. understand that? I?m just not comfortable speaking without a lawyer. DET. uh. do you - uh was bro- born in a hospital? DET. do we - and the reason why I ask this is - part of the reason why is um. is a baby and we don?t have a birth certi?cate so is - was there - was she born in a hospital or - DET. I gonna have to - am I gomla have to go down a road? do you need to know? I DET. I need to show that that?s your child. you know what I mean? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you didn?t take it from somebody else and this is - somebody?s - else? 5 baby. she was born at home. but that?s - that?s all I?ll say. DET. DET. she wasn?t bom in a hospital? DET. so there is no birth certi?cate for her on record with the State of Maine? - no. DET. but -- yeah. DET. that correct? correct. yeah. DETrequest for the - the Maine State of Vital Records I?m not going to ?nd a birth certi?cate for GRACEzCorrect. yeah. DET. one other real quick thing that I need to get from you - as you can see my notes are real long. All right - okay. um. Grace are you - um - um. since you?re not living in Virginia and it looks like. um. your husband. Robert. has a PO Box number. What is a physical DET. you two? GRACE: . . .address is DET. LOCKERBY 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 for any questions regarding this material, SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. On?Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Jk Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. 0 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. LOCKERBY yes. DET. and what city is that in? GRACE DET. - is that is that - - M. yeah. DET. Okay zip code up there? GRACE . mm - DET. is that an apartment or a house? a house. DET. a house is jud- is it just the two of you that live there or GRACEzCorrect. DET. there anyone else live there? DET. um. do you have a cell phone? yes I do. DET. is that number? DET. DET. LOCKERBY . Home phone nlunber there? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. no - no. DET. don?t have home phone. DET. don?t have a home phone? How ?bout work - do you work? DET. job? DET. right. these are starting to dry now a little bit. there isn?t anything else that you would need ?om me? DET. I think I got to get the pictures - you can have - in fact. the one thing they want me to write down is your customer number. I didn?t get a chance DET. Do you have any questions for me right as - as I?m writing this down? I don?t think so. DET. don?t think so? DET. DET. have no questions about anything? DET. All right. well. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. brain. you know - it?s had a lot to deal with so. um. about DET. (inaudible) so DET. can?t think of anything right now. DET. You don?t walma talk about - uh. though? GRACE2N0 - no I don?t wanna talk. DET. is that your only child? DET. is that your ?rst child? DET. you?ve her - how ?bout Robert?s -- ?rst? DET. child - you don?t wanna talk about the child abuse I - I no - I don?t want DET. the lack thereof. you anything without a lawyer. DET. GRACEzCorrect. Yes. DET. right. Okay. well I guess. you don?t really care about what we have to - what we?re gonna - and you understand what we?re gonna be doing on our end? - what are you gonna be doing? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:15:54 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. be conducting an investigation GRACE2Correct. Okay. DET. to any type of abuse that may have occurred or DET. anything - not just saying that you did anything. but we also have to look at that - other people. too. that had some sort of involvement with your child. it could be. you know. relatives that were out here. people that you?re staying with so. so you may be questioning other people? DET. don?t know - Icharge DET. partner is just - I?m just helping her out. right. DET. um. okay - um. so we?re done then. DET. is yours. DET. do you wanna sit out in the lobby? yes I?ll go out there. DET. just walk ya out then. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. calmly Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Location Supplement Page: I Added By: PAXSON. Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:18:53 Jk Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS FOLLOW-UP INTERVIEW WITH DR. JOHN MURPHY ON 2-25-14 AT OASIS OF HEALING Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Dr. Jonathan Murphy Clothild DET. will be an interview with Dr. John Murphy. uh. regarding DR 13-05991. taking place at Oasis of Healing. uh. [Unrelated voices talking in the background] DET. LOCKERBY:Slu'veillance camera up to your left at 11 o?clock. DET. DET. Someone?s right there. DET. like someone is coming this way. A lot of traf?c. DET. WOMAN #1 :Hi. Has somebody helped you? DET. PAXSON2N0. not yet. I was wondering if Dr. Murphy was in today? WOMAN #1 :Okay. May I ask - DET. Detective Paxson from Scottsdale PD. WOMAN #1 :Okay. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you. WOMAN #22Hi there. DET. WOMAN #22How are you? Have you been helped? DET. she - we were looking for Dr. Murphy and somebody went to go get him. WOMAN #2:Okay. Thanks. DET. you. I?m Clothild. DET. you Jennifer? DET. DET. met you about a year ago when I stopped in. yeah. yeah. DET. so - and this is my partner. DET. DET. Lockerby. hi. nice to meet you. Um. Dr. Murphy said you can come on back. DET. Thank you. (Inaudible) This is Dr. Murphy. DR. Come on in. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. how are you? DR. MURPHY :Come on in. Thank you. DET. welcome. Thank you. DET. PAXSON2Is - are we catching you at a bad time? DR. perfect time. Thanks. Clothild. DET. DR. good. Please have a seat. I?ll give you my card in case you want it. DET. you so much. It?s nice to meet you in person. DR. MURPHY :Yeah. we spoke some time ago. I think. DET. about a year ago. DR. DET. a year ago. and. 11111. I had some more questions for you. We?re still kind of in the middle of that. DR. you. DET. really in the middle. We?re at the end of the investigation. But I had some questions for you. some things came up. Um. I didn?t know when we talked that you had worked with Dr. Grout. DR. have. DET. didn?t know that. DR. wife still does. DET. okay. who?s your wife? DR. DET. .. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :Mulphy. DET. DR. DET. you remember that? DET. I don?t remember her. DET. she - was she there the day we. um. went and spoke to all the employees and served the search warrant? I don?t recall her name? DET. LOCKERBYJ don?t think so. DET. does she do there? DR. MURPHY :She?s a physician?s assistant licensed by the Arizona Board of Medicine to do. uh. family DET. she there when this incident happened with the baby? Do you know? DR. don?t think she was. DET. you guys ever talk about that?Cause I don?t - she wasn?t there at the time the DET. would. I mean. she probably would have told you. It? not very often. I suppose. that you have a baby die on DR. MURPHY :Oh. yeah. DET. the of?ce. right? So DR. MURPHY2N0. we talk about everything. yeah. DET. - so maybe she - is she aware of this whole thing? DR. MURPHY think she must be. but I don?t know how - to what extent DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. I think it?s pretty much not talked about a lot. DET. Well. and DR. MURPHY mean. I don?t know about you guys. but is there much talk on the street. do you know? Or anything? DET. nobody?s talking to us. DET. LOCKERBY2Us. yeah. DET. mean. you were kind enough to talk to DR. DET. um. nobody else has really talked to us too much. I mean. we went up there. and we didn?t get a lot of information. Some people spoke to us. I DET. DET. but Dr. Grout did not. and. run. some of the staff members did not. And I don?t recall if that was your wife. if - if we tried to talk to her. I don?t recall that name at all. She might not have been working when we got there that night. DR. MURPHY2N0. maybe not. Um. what night was it? If DET. we DR. takes one day off per week. usually. DET. spoke to - well. it was a Thursday. DR. would have been her day off. DET. So that?s the day we went there. um. so she works on Wednesdays? DR. DET. she may have been there the day of the incident. because the child died on. it was a Wednesday. March 13th. Maybe that?s somebody we need to speak to. DR. DET. .. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :Do you guys happen to have a copy of the child? autopsy report? DET. don?t have it with me. Um. I can tell you that it?s con?rmed she died from cyanide poisoning. DR. what were the thiocyanate levels? Because I don?t DET. DR. you could forward a copy to me I would greatly appreciate this because frankly. In my experience. there?s just no way that B17. amygdalin. can become toxic to a person. unless they have a signi?cant degree of dysbiosis. like bad bacteria. DET. DR. would be the only way - and even then. it?s only in theory. DET. DR. MURPHY :It? 5 never been shown to happen in con-- in concept. DET. DR. MURPHY2S0 - but - but anyway. I would love to see the tox. uh. levels. DET. DR. DET. I can?t release the DR. - 011can get it. DET. you can get it from the medical examiner. probably. DR. I just didn?t know if you could. DET. DR. DET. I can? t. because it?s a third-party release. It?s not my report to release. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. problem. No problem. I?m a - I?m a licensed physician. DET. so you can contact them. DR. (inaudible). DET. you?ll probably understand those levels. DR. absolutely do. yes. DET. - I - I met with the doctor. DR. really surprised that - that - that nobody has even consulted me other than you. You know. you would think that if they DET. have given your name to quite a few people. DR. if they were medical examiners worth their salt. they would have contacted me. DET. DR. MURPHY :I?ve got - I?ve got a question there. It - well. I?ll talk with them directly. because it makes DET. Abs- absolutely. DR. only makes sense to talk to the person who? 5 done more than anybody in this DET. I think DR. far as the use of this to show its ef?cacy and its - and its bene?t to DET. think what they looked at is where did the cancer - where had the cancer. um. traveled to or - or show - where did it show up in the body. DR. DET. then they looked at the toxicology. and they ruled out any abuse. um. they ruled out any other cause of death. and that other than - other than the cancer. she had no other problems. and. um. the toxicology came back with cyanide in her cardiac blood. in her stomach. and her intestines. DR. her bladder? Or don?t you 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - those are the three that we were told. DR. DET. intestines. and cardiac blood. DR. they didn?t pull any of the uveal blood or the bladder. DET. don?t know. DR. MURPHY mean. DET. may havedon?t think DR. - these are very important. I mean. in - in light of - you know. when we - what timeline DET. DR. if you want an evidentiary DET. my timeline - yeah. my DR. would be able to tell the evidentiary timeline of - of the ?uids as they accumulate and as they occur. DET. my timeline is getting pretty narrow. Because Dr. Grout kept some pretty good records as to when the - they showed up. DR. DET. then I got phone records as to when she received the phone call that the child was having dif?culty breathing and bloated stomach. And then I?ve got the phone call to 911. So my timeline is really getting narrow. here. DR. DET. in that timeline. um. she also called you. DR. DET. I?m really curious about that two-minute conversation about what she was asking you. because this is before she called 91 1. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. asked me is there any way that a person can become toxic on B17. DET. you told DR. MURPHY :And I told her not in my experience. DET. 511- did she tell you at that time that she had given the baby the injectable form orally? DR. MURPHY2N0. DET. she tell you at that time dining that two-minute conversation 110w much she?d given the baby? DR. I can?t remember. - if she did. it was like a thousand. something like that. I don?t remember. Do you - did DET. You and I talked about it. DR. seems to me like she may have said it was a thousand. is that - I mean. I?m not certain of that. but that?s what I - she may have. I don?t remember that part. DETone gram. DR. That would?ve been - so she did tell me - which is equal to one gram. DET. you told me is approximately four times what you would recommend for a 23 -24 pound baby. DR. For an oral dose for a - or for an adult. I would recommend one gram. DET. But for someone that weighs 24 DR. for somebody - 24 pounds - about 250. 300. DET. So you - when we spoke last March. you said you thought that was about four times what you would?ve recommended. DR. DET. So when she DR. an oral dose. DET. an oral dose. So that?s - you see 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :But even then. I - you?d come - I mean. I - I don?t see that four times the amount you would recommend would be potentially toxic. DET. given DR. there? 5 another set of circumstances. DET. given orally. the injectable form. which you said - you told me you have never done that. that ?rst dose. DR. never given the injectable orally. Well. I?ve never given the injectable dose orally. DET. DR. MURPHY: We always give the oral dose orally. and - and DET. never done it. Yeah. And - and - and. 11111. I think you said you?d never heard of that being done with the ?rst dose. you usually see if people tolerate it and then you move on to oral. DR. DET. that correct? DR. always use the in- well. no. no DET. do you see how important this is? DR. up. ?Cause I take about 1.000 milligrams a day as a preventative. DET. DR. I don?t want to get cancer. DET. you weigh how much? DR. I weigh 178 pomlds. DET. she?s 24 pounds. and she got what you take orally. DR. MURPHY :Right. DET. the injectable form. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. So what do you think? What? 5 your opinion on that? DR. DET. - were you given that information a y- when Dr. Grout called you that night? On March 13th? DR. MURPHY2N0. No. I?m sure I wouldn?t. I mean. I would?ve told you. or I would?ve told her. that?s a mistake to give an inj ectable to the - by the mouth. DET. that?s what you told me. DR. MURPHY: ?Cause we usually give the oral by the mouth and the injectable by injectable. DET. DR. MURPHY :And that just makes sense. but DET. DR. know. DET. she calls you. and she calls you. and it?s a little after 6:00 pm that night. Do you remember that phone call? DR. yeah. DET. she call you DR. she did call DET. did somebody else call you? DR. MURPHY2N0. she called me. DET. Was - had the baby passed away yet. or not yet? DR. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. was asking me what would the - was the potential for any harm ?om the B17. and I said. "As far as I know. there?s not." I?ve never - I?ve given 18.000 milligrams at DET. DR. never see people ?inch an eyeball. You know. because it?s very good DET. did - did you - did she give you all the information that it was a 24-pom1d. 18-month-old child that she gave the inj ectable form by mouth. one gram. DR. DET. she give you all that information? DR. MURPHY2N0. no. DET. would your 0 - opinion been different? DR. not. no. DET. would?ve DR. mean. oh - I?ve never tried the oral. The injectable oral would?ve been my opinion. but - but there?s still little. you know. little or no way you can make someone toxic with the substance. DET. she tell you at that time what the child?s were? DR. MURPHY :Hmm. Vomiting? I think she said. DET. DR. MURPHY2Vomiting. Yeah. DET. here?s my concern. and this is what we?re trying to ?gure out. Um. is what would?ve happened had she said. "Take that child to the DR. ER may have tried to treat and - and literally resulted in death to the child. would be my fear. Because the one thing that I?m very careful is to not DET. DR. cyanide toxicity when using amygdalin. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. now here?s the difference is that when I - I think of this is gen- generally not a ?rst dose. And that?s why uveal levels and bladder levels would be of great value to know if DET. So you didn?t know if it was a ?rst dose or not a ?rst dose? DR. in - in cases of. 11111 - no. I didn?t - I mean - you know. I don?t - I don?t think I knew. No. I mean I may have. DET. a two-minute conversation she had with you. DR. But I don?t recall the whole bit of it. But I do remember she was saying. "Is there any way you can get toxic on this stuff?" and I told her. no. no there?s just no way. DET. when I asked you. you know. given the weight and the age and the dose. you told - and - and the injectable given DR. - now that fourth thing. Yeah. DET. that thing - all that information. you told me - right. Yeah. DR. the ?rst three had nothing - yeah. I mean. you can give those doses to - to an infant DET. I guess my point DR. MURPHY :Giving the injectable oral is the one unknown in there. DET. DR. an injectable in an oral round is the only one that I?ve not done. so I don?t have experience with that. DET. you were not given that information during that two-minute phone calloral dosages. DET. Yeah. so - so if you?re not given all of the information. how can you actually give good advice. right? DR. MURPHY :Well. you give the advice on what information you DET. you know. Right. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY that?s the best advice you can give. DET. And that?s all - and that?s what you gavealso. though. if. um. if anybody has concerns about toxicity. I?m certain to talk to the ER doctor. DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely. DR. the ER doctor knows. "Don?t treat this child for cyanide. you?ll kill them." DET. okay. DR. is the good stuff. DET. DR. treat for cyanide poisoning. and you actually convert a non-toxic into a - into a cyanide toxicity. DET. DR. very few emergency physicians outside of the reahn of toxicology know that. DET. that. right. DR. we do - you know. you can reverse a good thing. DET. let me ask you this. I mean. if - it - I mean. anybody can Google B17. Laetn'le. and it says it all over that - that. DR. DET. the Internet. It says - you can Google it. and it?ll tell you one of the things that is a concern for some people is cyanide toxicity. I mean. I?m a layperson. you Google it. and. American Cancer Society. it?s on there. Um. it?s on there - it - it lists the concerns Why - why people disagree. DR. DET. you aware of that? That that?s on - I mean. I fomld it just the ?rst day I typed it in. DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSON: Do you DR. but - but they also talk about - I mean. there?s a lot of stu? on there about reptilians ruling the world. too. So I agree with you. yeah. no - no doubt that there would be misinformed individuals - do you need me? Man2Uh. we were - were supposed to see someone at noon. DR. right ahead. I?ll - I?ll catch up. ManzNo. I want you - we?ll have to examine them in here when you?re done. DR. DET. will be just a few more minutes. DR. good - get started without me. will ya? Man20kay. DR. 5- don?t sit around and twiddle. I?m just kidding. Man2Yeah. right. DET. have a question for you. DR. please. DET. you just said. what you just said to - to us about - about the. the fear of how to treat the - the. um. don?t treat the toxicity the cyanide toxicity. DR. MURPHY :Cyanide poisoning. right. DET. you tell Dr. Grout that when she called? DR. DET. "Don?t" did she DR. MURPHY :"Do not let an em? an emergency physicians treat ?em for cyanide." I - I always tell people that. DET. - but did you tell Dr. Grout that? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. that two minute phone conversation? DR. believe I did. DET. I mean. do you DR. mean - if I didn?t. it was probably an oversight on my part DET. DR. MURPHY :because I don?t want someone to get to the ER and have one problem and then develop. because of treatment. cyanide poisoning. DET. DR. MURPHY :Be- because of reversing a good thing. do you see what I?m saying? DET. I do. DET. she - so she must have thought there was cyanide poisoning going 011. ?Cause the conversation you told me you had is she asked you. "Is it possible?" you said. "No. not in my experience." Why would she have that concern about treating it. and you tell her. "Don?t let an ER doctor treat it." if she didn?t DR. I volunteer that. DET. DR. MURPHY don?t think - I mean. but her question was that DET. DR. MURPHY: "Is there any way of getting toxic - DET. DR. cyanide toxic or otherwise." and as I said. "No. not in my experience DET. DR. MURPHY :not in my opinion." And that if you do have somebody who suspects it. be sure the ER doctor knows not to treat for cyanide toxicity 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. MURPHY2because that is the wrong absolute way to treat B17. DET. So 110w do you - if you?re having a reaction to 317. and it?s possible that it?s cyanide poisoning related. 110w do you treat that? What are you gonna do for that patient? DR. MURPHY :So personally. I would treat it with glutathione. Inj ectable. DET. you tell her that DR. MURPHY2N0. DET. night? So you said. "Don?t let a - don?t let an ER doctor treat her." but did you give her an alternative? DR. MURPHY :(Inaudible) generally. it would be a supportive care for anybody who arrives in the ER. because I?m an ER physician as well. DET. DR. so. um. I didn?t tell her any of this. I?m telling you this now. DET. DR. MURPHY :Just for. you know. clari?cation. but that. um. the biggest mistake that a physician could make in treating somebody who? 3 been receiving B17 is to treat them for cyanide toxicity. DET. I?m just curious as to why. DR. you unwind the thiocyante. which is the body? 5 healthy. uh. response. DET. Okay. DR. MURPHY :And you release cyanide. DET. So what is the option then? When you?re at this point. and you?ve got somebody that was given a dose. but you didn?t know how much. you didn?t know how - how it was given. you didn't know all the speci?cs about age and size. you didn?t - you weren?t given all the - all the facts. DR. MURPHY :Right. But you still treat ?em supportively. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :Just treat ?em with ?uids. with oxygen. with. um. you know. whatever is needed to support their body? 5 functioning. DET. And so what advice did you give DR. do remember asking her. "Is the baby blue?" now that you mention it. DET. DET. And why would you ask that? DR. she said that. DET. DET. would you ask if the baby? 5 blue? DR. they are either cyanotic or are cyanide-toxic. they would turn blue. DET. DET. - did she discuss with you whether or not to call 911? DR. you know. I think - I think maybe she did. DET. she say? DR. MURPHY don?t remember exactly. but I think maybe she did. And then maybe she said. "Well. the baby?s already on the way here." Did she say something - did - did - do you remember that? Anything like that? DET. don?t. DR. didn?t talk with her. though? DET. tried to. DR. think maybe the baby was already on the way here was what came out of all that. In other DET. I think the baby was already there by the time she called you. DR. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. how would she know if the baby was blue if the baby wasn?t in front of her? DR. by talking to the parents DET. DR. be the easiest way. DET. DR. know what I?m saying? DET. Well. I think there?s about an hour in between the parents called her. she said. "Bring the baby back." and the time you got a phone call. So I think the baby was already there. DR. MURPHY :That?s most likely. then. DET. So. 11111. based on phone records. I think she had the baby DR. called me twice. didn?t she? That evening? DET. Mm-lnn. She called you three times. DR. think she called me twice. Three times. DET. just talking about the ?rst time. Before the baby died. DR. Good. DET. DR. I wanted to make sure you knew that. DET. I think she called you while she was at the hospital. too. DR. DET. um. have you - are you aware - you?re an in- you?re a doctor. you?re a medicine. DR. DET. You have an intemal medicine 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. have you ever worked in an DR. MURPHY:Absolutely. DET. have? Are you aware of DR. a children?s emergency department (inaudible). DET. Have you - what?s the name of that. DET. think that?s what he?s saying. You don?t - you don?t give that. There?s apparently DR. MURPHY :Methylene Blue. DET. it - there?s - there?s a - there?s one that DET. DR. nitroprusside. DET. 5 one that was kind of given in the ?eld. and it was given before. and now there? 5 a newer one that the - ERs actually stock DET. you know - are you aware of what that is and - and What DET. PAXSON for cyanide poisoning. DET. cyanide poisoning. what they DR. - not right off the cuff. no. DET. Okay. DET. DR. I?d certainly be willing to look DET. you have any glutathene? What is it. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. LOCKERBY:Glutathione. Do you carry that here? DR. MURPHY :Yeah. we carry it. yeah. DET. Dr. Grout carry that? DR. MURPHY:(Inaudible) absolutely. DET. Would she be aware of - of that treat - DR. fact - she asked me - my wife had asked me if we had any extra. because they?re low on their supply. and they needed some extra glutathione for a day. but we happened to be out of it. too. So that?s why we couldn?t DET. all - uh. so okay. DR. them any. So I know that they do carry it. (Inaudible). DET. that could?ve helped the situation? DR. MURPHY :Absolutely. DET. you guys talk about that during the phone conversation? The glutathione? DR. think possibly we - no. no. no. Wait a second. Was it - that may have been the s- what time was the second call coming in? Do you recall? DET. I do. DR. MURPHY :?Cause it - it may be she called my twice. DET. called you at 6: 15 pm. DR. once after the baby arrived. or something like that. DET. that was after. I believe - that?s a two-minute conversation. um. because she got a phone call from the parents between 5:00 and 5:30. according to a witness that was with her when she got the phone call. DR. DET. she said. "Bring the baby right back." They were just down the street at a restaurant. apparently. Um. so I 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. believe they got back DR. I?ve just been mixing up the ?rst call and the second call ?cause DET. the second call. the baby had already been pronounced. um - no. actually. the baby was - 7:22 - the. um. 911 was called - I?ll tell you when she called 911. hang on. She called 911 at 6:50. She called you at 6:15. DR. MURPHY :Okay. I - my impression now. I mean. I?m not certain of this. because my re- my recall is not perfect in this case. but I do believe that she called me before she had seen the baby. and that the baby was on the way there. and then called again after or when she was seeing the baby. because she said the baby appears limp. but not cyanotic. and I said. "Well. the only thing I know that could be of value at this point would be glutathione." DET. she - okay. DR. that - is that possible? DET. DR. MURPHY :Look at your timeline. see if it?s possible. DET. She called you at 6: 15. and she called you again at 7:22. The baby was already at the DR. was over an hour. 011. okay. so then it - no. Must not be. DET. baby went to the hospital. um. right around - well. 911 was called at 6:50. So after she talks to you the ?rst time. 35 minutes pass before she calls 911. by that point. the baby had already stopped breathing - when she called 911. That? 5 why she called 911. DR. DET. didn?t call before the baby stopped breathing. So she?s speaking to you here. the baby?s still breathing. and. um. you know. it?s a - it?s a two-minute phone conversation. I?m just wondering what options were discussed. I mean. you are the expert in this ?eld. DR. two minutes. yeah. yeah. in two minutes. It - somewhere in there. I - I - do think I - to- said I would use if I were. you know. treating a baby - baby like this. that potentially. I would treat them with glutathione. DET. you don?t know which conversation that took place at? Because the - this DR. MURPHY :No. because my recollection. it was the second conversation - discussion. not the ?rst one. DET. 7:22. 7:22. the baby?s already at the hospital. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :So then that wouldn?t be DET. ER staff is already working her. DR. DET. - she?s been - she stopped breathing. you know. 30 minutes ago. DR. Six - you said 50. right? DET. DR. DET. she stopped breathing. Here she?s still breathingyou still think it was the second phone call? Or do you think it was the ?rst phone call? DR. MURPHY :Hmm. I?m not sure. DET. And - but you did speak about glutathione. DR. ifI were to treat it. I would treat it with glutathione. DET. PAXSON:Glutathione. okay. DR. or thione. DET. DET. you have any here right now that we could just take a look at and see what it looks like? DR. I don?t. I?m sorry. DET. DR. clear. DET. DR. has the odor of an egg. You know. the egg. the sulfur egg. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. is. um. you know. it? a constituent of every cell in the body DET. DR. MURPHY: . . particularly the liver. DET. DET. DR. nodes and the (inaudible). DET. Grout called you herself? Is that correct? Or did she have an assistant call you? DR. she called me herself. DET. three times that night? 6:15. 7:22. and 7:31? DR. DET. did you learn that the baby passed away? DR. MURPHY think don?t know that I actually leamed that night that the baby passed away. but I think it - she was. um. the feel that I get. if I can. is - was that she was resigned that the baby was dead at the time DET. DR. the time that the third phone call came through. But it - I didn?t actually know for sure. DET. for sure. Yeah. because she wouldn?t have DR. MURPHY :But you can tell. you know DET. DR. - if it - you know. not with a certainty. but you can get the feel. so. DET. well. she stopped breathing. and they weren?t able to revive her after half an hour. DR. sad. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Um. so - so just so I have it clear in my mind. she calls you. she says. "Have you ever heard of this? Is this - I mean. is this possible. could this toxicity be happening?" Um. but she does not tell you exactly how much or the age or size or - or how she gave it to the baby. but she says in general. have you ever heard of this. what do you think. what?s the possibility of this toxicity. cyanide toxicity? DR. you know. and backing up just a second. if you don?t mind. DET. love to. DR. MURPHY um. 11111. I think that she did mention the DET. DR. was 1000 mg. DET. Three CCs. One gram. DR. MURPHY :Um. I think that she did. but I didn?t realize that it was the injectable. But I do think that she did tell me the dosage. DET. DR. there. yeah. And that was DET. she said orally? DR. the ?rst phone call. DET. And did she tell you it was orallyinjectable? DR. do not think she told me. DET. DR. let me just say this. If she said 3CCs. it?s easy for me to just assume that that?s injectable. DET. ?Cause it?s liquid? DR. that - it?s a - 3CCs. It?s - it?s the way you DET. liquid. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. say a half-teaspoon. you?re talking about oral. You say 3CCs. you?re talking about injectable. right? DET. DR. my - in my book. DET. DR. I wouldn?t have asked oral or injectable. DET. Right. ?Cause it just makes sense. your brain just cormects that if it?s CCs. it went in injectable. DR. There?s absolutely no way on God?s green earth that you can make a person toxic with injectable Laetrile. DET. told me that the ?rst time we talked. Right. DR. MURPHY :There?s just no way. And therewell. let me just back up. ?Cause I did say this just a minute ago. If you treat a person who? 5 been using an injectable for cyanide poisoning DET. DR. the - that cyanide antidote can release cyanide that was not released before - that was very well bound by the healthy mechanisms of healthy cells. DET. injectable form. or oral tablets. too? DR. oral tablets. they were able to in one study force-feed. you know. kilogram quantities to hor- to dogs and make ?em sick. DET. You told me about that. DR. that? the only toxicity study on the book. DET. oral tablet? DR. an oral tablet. DET. she tells you 3 DR. can assume injectable. DET. assume injectable. injected into the child. so why would you be 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. MURPHY :Vein or intramuscular. DET. would you be thinking toxicity with an injectable form? DR. DET. - just. I want to be very clear. she did not say. gave injectable by mouth"? DR. MURPHY2N0. DET. ?rst time you heard about that was when I called you? DR. DET. that correct? DR. correct. DET. DR. MURPHY :I?m pretty certain of that. DET. DR. um. you know. I would?ve - I would?ve told her right then and there. "That?s not the way we usually give it." But I still. because of the lack of experience in that regard. of using an injectable by mouth. I still may have erred in concluding that there? 5 still no way you could make - make a child sick on this. Not thinking that there could be a over. uh. population of. um. you know. fungi or other DET. (inaudible) DR. MURPHY:(inaudible) or glucosides containing enzymes in the - in the bacteria. DET. DR. you could in the free stomach release cyanide there. yes. DET. I DR. ideally. if you?ve got stomach acid would be the next antidote. you know. the antidote for the stomach acid quickly converts hydrocyanic acid to a safer form. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. know. it?s the acid nature of things would create hydrocyanic acid. not allow it to be. DET. what was that. um. what was that. um. substance you called - you said you recommend. the thi - thiamine. or - is it thiamine. DET. DR. DET. DR. is DET. you known that she gave injectable by mouth. would you still have recommended glutathione? DR. MURPHY :The glutathione - oh. you know. that?s a really good question you ask. Had I known that she gave injectable by mouth and that the child was manifesting DET. DR. I have recommended glutathione? Yeah. DET. DR. MURPHY :Absolutely I would. DET. you have still said. um. you know. make sure the ER doctor does not treat her for cyanide toxicity. knowing that she got it - injectable orally into her stomach? I?m just ?ying to see. is the treatment the same? DR. DET. - or is that strictly an inject - uh. something you don?t do if it?s DR. - the - if the body is loaded. And that?s where. you know. a good medical examiner will examine other bodily ?uids. DET. DR. yes. I would have to think about that one a moment. So right o? the bat. my general volunteering of information 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 29 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. would be such that I would say. "Don?t let an ER DET. DR. MURPHY treat the - treat this child or any child for cyanide toxicity unless there?s cyanide involved. DET. DR. B17 is not cyanide. DET. DR. is a cyanogenic. DET. converts. right? DR. MURPHY :In - in cancer cells only. DET. DR. right. DET. DR. MURPHY :So they - and you couldn?t really have enough cancer cells to kill a child with it. DET. DR. know. massive quantities of cancer would have to be present. and massive quantities given over a - a long period of time. But that would be. you know. in conception only. if there was cyanide leaking out of tumors. the periphery around the edges of the tumor. there could be cyanide that?s kind of oozing along into those spots there. you know what I mean? DET. know. I think this is. um. that? - that?s all really advanced stuff we?re talking about there. What it really boils down to in my mind is we?ve got a child who is having some dif?culty here. um. breathing. vomiting. what is the - what is - in your opinion. if a - an 18-month-old was in this building having dif?culty breathing and vomiting. what would this practice do? DR. we would DET. you call 91 1? DR. likely. yeah. we would 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 29 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 30 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you wait 90 minutes to call 911? DR. pediatrician? DET. what I?m asking. DR. mean. I could do an awful lot. But then - so 90 minutes would be a long time to consider. DET. what I?m asking. I guess. because it seems like a long time to me. too. DR. MURPHY :You know. I mean. it seems like a long time to - to DET. don?t think anybody wants a child to die on premises. I mean. without - DR. all the potential. you know. aspects of health care being delivered. that could be. DET. what - DR. MURPHY :That?s pretty much it. DET. I?m asking. yeah. DR. DET. know. and - and that?s what I?m trying to get to. at what point. at what point should that call have been made? And it was - was there - was there some negligence on this - on this person? 5 part. Whether intentional. did she want the child to die? I doubt it. I doubt - well. who wants a child to die on premises. right? I don?t think DR. MURPHY:(Inaudible) DET. for that to happen. But did she do everything she should?ve done to make sure that "I?ve covered all my bases. and I?ve done everything so it?s - it?s not my fault that the child?s dying". That?s my question. DR. MURPHY :Yeah. so - and that?s really. you know. as I - a pretty good question and. um. you know. probably if - is the medical board working with this - working with you on this? DET. DR. MURPHY :?Cause they really ought to be. you know. looking DET. not working with us. they?re waiting for us. We are handling the criminal investigation. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 30 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 31 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. oh. that?s right. That 5 right. DET. are gonna handle - yeah. DR. MURPHY :Separate from you. DET. PAXSON:Separate - it?s DR. got it. I got it. yeah. DET. fact. I just heard from them again yesterday. DET. um. I have a question for you. How come - ?cause I may have missed this - how come Dr. Grout called you? DR. MURPHY :Because I?m the authority. DET. the authority? DR. B17. DET. That would - so you would have more knowledge than she would? DR. DET. DR. MURPHY :And certainly more experience - both. DET. DET. I?m wondering. ?cause I looked through the phone records. I have all the phone records from February forward. there was no phone calls to you prior to treating the child. It wasn?t until something went wrong. I?m wondering. since you?re the expert. if you?re gomla treat an 18-month-old. which I?m assuming is rare. you said you?ve treated down to age ?ve. DR. DET. treating an l8-month-old rare? I mean. did DR. I think statistically speaking. certainly. it?s - it?s more than rare. It is rare. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 31 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 32 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. So you?re the expert. I?m wondering. with her having so many years of experience. why did she not reach out to you and ask you the very best way. the very best dosage. and how to go about that. Have you - have you guys had that conversation? DR. DET. to treating the child. DR. back in. 1111]. fall of 201 1. yeah. We - we went through these things and I discussed with all - my experience and my knowledge with her. DET. DR. she?s the one. as a member of the. um. Homeopathic Board for the lead. took the. um. protocol that I wrote up for the of?ce to the Homeopathic Board for. 11111. for certi?cation. You know. the Homeopathic Board reviewed it and said. "Sure. it?s been in use for over ten years DET. is that protocol? DR. can get you a copy of it. DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely - that?d be great. So she is familiar with that. She took it and said. "Hey w- does it talk about treating children as young as 18 months? DR. DET. the appropriate dosage? And giving injectable by mouth? Does it talk about that? DR. MURPHY2N0. It - it?s a gen- it?s a generic. uh. doesn?t talk about age or weight of a child or of a person in general. DET. it talk about injectable given orally? DR. - not that I can think of. no. DET. Well. you wrote it. right? DR. DET. DR. why I do that. I mean. that?s just like to me. it? - you just never do it. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 32 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 33 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. would she do that? DR. you know. that?s the question I asked. and I - the only thing I can come up with. and I think you and I talked about this on the phone in a conversation before. why would she do that? Because that?s the - you know. the million-dollar question or whatever. the $600.000 question. DET. you asked her that? I mean. you?ve had - DR. MURPHY2N0. I haven?t. DET. PAXSONzyou?ve had conversations with her after that. DR. No. but the - the. uh. the only reason I can get the answer to that one is for expediency. You know. to - to. um. to not have to stick a child in a - in a muscle. To do it quicker and. you know. I - I - that?s - what else can you come up with? I mean. DET. know. DR. - because I know that she?s used injectable. and I?ve used injectable. and we?ve used injectable. and Debbie. my wife. has used injectable. DET. on a child? DR. there?s just about no way - sure. There?s just about no way you can make an injectable toxic. DET. no - you - you told me not lmder the age of ?ve. DR. under the age of ?ve. no. DET. So we?ve got a couple of things that have been done very different. DR. you know. the only thing is - children with brain tumors that are given up to die DET. DR. they take this injectable. and three years later. they?re still living. When. you know. cancer treatment centers throughout the United States can?t get DET. are they - how are they giving it? DR. are they - injectable. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 33 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 34 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. MURPHY2Injectable. so my point DET. about what you said. DR. Given by injectable DET. child - this child has very DR. MURPHY :That?s exactly what I meant to say. too. I think about this all the time. kiddo. DET. child had very advanced stages of retinoblastoma. Right? Some people would say she was given up to die. DR. MURPHY:Injectable. DET. Had she con- had Dr. Grout contacted you and said. "Hey. this is my case. you?re the expert. how is the best way for me to treat it." I would say that was probably the ?rst place she went wrong. Would you agree? Is she an expert in the use of DR. MURPHY2I would say DET. 7? DR. MURPHY :Well. you know. it depends on. you know. because physicians and their - their whole mindset is that of which - but. yeah. I would think it would?ve been good advice to - to contact me DET. Schachter. DR. least contact Debbie. DET. Debbie. DR. Dr. DET. DR. Dr. DET. down in Mexico. You told me that. DR. um. um. Dr. Eslinger in Reno. Um. Dr. Navarro in 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 34 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 35 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. of the world experts that are DET. somebody DR. DET. say. "Hey. this is my case." DR. DET. PAXSONzBecause she did not treat her the ?rst day she saw the child. She saw the child. made a recommendation to the parents. The parents then came back a separate day. and that?s when she writes in her notes. "They want to go ahead with the amygdalin." And that?s when she gave it to her. DR. But she gave it by oral. Not by injection. DET. in-. yeah. liquid form. injectable fonn. orally. DR. DET. I can?t see where she consulted with you prior to that. and you?re here in town. But yet as soon as she has a problem that night. and the child is vomiting and she?s back - the child?s back in her of?ce and is you?re the ?rst person she calls. DR. MURPHY :Right. It would make sense to have called me and contacted me prior. DET. Right. DR. then - and I don?t remember. but. you know. you just don?t do that. Did she say. "I?m sorry I didn?t con-" Maybe she did. but I - I can?t - I can?t actually with great recollection remember it. Did she say to me. "I?m sorry I didn?t contact you before." but that?s something that - that rings. but I - I?d have to defer to her. DET. because had this child been given up to die and given the injectable form like these children that you?re talking DR. DET. may still have here. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 35 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 36 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. DR. MURPHY :Exactly. There we go. DET. I don?t think anybody?s questioning. "Hey. was this - is this possible to treat cancer with it?" That?s not what DR. the best stuff. yeah. DET. that?s not what DR. of the - among the - my - it?s not a cure for cancer. DET. DR. is not. But it is among the better stuff that the body can DET. it was certainly something worth trying. right? I DR. MURPHY :Absolutely. DET. that?s what they wanted to do. but in - in the right form. DR. the right route. DET. Right. DR. you. DET. So then. 11111. I - continuing on to the phone records. It looks like you called her after. um. I spoke to you on the 20th. just to say. "Hey. I got a - did you put two and two together at that point? Or - ?cause it didn?t sound like you knew exactly - did you know what I was talking about when I called you about the case that I was talking about? DR. you talk to anybody else about it beforehand? DET. PAXSON2N0. DR. MURPHY :Because. you know. the administrator seemed to know. Clothild. the DET. ?cause I told her what I was here for. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 36 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 37 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. when you called me back. you said - I said. "Did she tell you what I was here for?" And you said. "Yeah. an 18-month-old who died after being given DR. DET. you knew. you called me DR. put it together. DET. spoke - okay. so - because it didn?t sound like you knew which case I was talking about when we spoke the ?rst time. DR. MURPHY :But I could?ve presumed that. had I done so. But that?s a presumption you could make. yeah. DET. Okay. So you - okay. DR. just didn?t. DET. You didn?t at the time. but then you did later? DR. Later on. yeah. DET. I told you it was Dr. Grout? DR. MURPHY :Absolutely. DET. All right. So then you call her. and what does she tell you? You - I hadn?t talked to her. yet. What did she tell you? After - after I spoke to you. you contacted her. So then what did she tell you? DR. think she said. "Okay. well. thanks for alerting me to this." DET. That the police are asking? Okay. And then. DR. you didn?t ask me not to mention it DET. DR. speak to anybody. I didn?t think that was an issue myself. Good. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 37 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 38 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. It?s not. but since she hasn?t talked to me. I?m just wondering what she has to say about all this. DR. DET. know? I - I mean. put yourself in my shoes DR. also. you know. I had sent her a large quantities of emails. of - not large quantities. one or two emails with large attach - quantities of attachments that had to do with the safety and DET. DR. that she would be very well edi?ed about it. DET. - after we served the search warrant? DR. DET. Okay. DR. mean. I don?t know if it - had to do with the search warrant or not. but since I talked with you. and since I talked with her at those times. yes. DET. is there any information you can give me that - that says. um. that the proper way to administer this substance. this Laetiile. this B17. to a child who?s 18 months old. approximately 24 pomlds. is the injectable form orally. is there anything that says that? DR. you explain that again? ?Cause I - that - that doesn?t sound like - I DET. PAXSON2Is there - is DR. the last part of it. DET. I?m looking for any literature. ?cause she couldn?t give me any. when we went there to serve the search warrant. she gave me all of the information she had on Laetn'le. at the time. that she had prior to the incident. and nowhere in there does it talk about treating an l8-month-old who?s approximately 24 pounds with the injectable form orally - one gram. Nowhere in there does it talk anywhere about that. I?m wondering. hey. if there? 5 protocol that says that?s what you?re supposed to do. then she didn?t make a mistake. did she? But if there?s not. and there?s actually protocol that says to the contrary. then there?s a mistake that?s been made. DR. MURPHY :Right. And I don?t think there is any literature that I can give you that says give the injectable orally or the (inaudible) speci?c to your question. not that I know of. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 38 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 39 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. that you know of. So that was something that she just kind of decided to do on her own? Would DR. makes sense. yeah. DET. DR. mean. it doesn?t make sense to me. either DET. PAXSON2D0 you know. any other - do you know any other DR. MURPHY mean. ?cause I don?t think anybody else would?ve said to do that is the thing. DET. you know any other doctor that gives the injectable form orally. especially to a yomlg child - that I can go talk to? DR. MURPHY :None of that I know of. No. DET. DR. I?m pretty certain there?s not. DET. And now you said. 11111. the - the Homeopathic Board has a copy of your protocol? DR. believe they have read it in the. um. in the fall of 2011. Yeah. DET. But they DR. MURPHY :But I don?t know that they retained it. But. I mean. basically. um. my best recollection is when she came back from the board. that they said. "This is okay. it? 5 been - it meets the criteria - it?s been in use in the last - in the United States for ten years or more. it?s safe. there?s no. you know. ill effects and - DET. where can I get a copy of that? DR. MURPHY :Um. I?ve got your e-mail. don?t DET. DR. MURPHY2I can DET. on my card. Yeah. that?d be great. DR. let me e-mail a copy when I get home. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 39 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 40 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. would be - that would be wonderful. because I?m just trying to put this together and ?nd out - what? 5 appropriate. and since I can?t - I can?t ask her what she knew because she doesn?t care to talk to me. it - I?m trying to put all the pieces together. what is appropriate. what did you know? I don?t think she intended to kill this child that day. I don?t think that was her intention. DR. that makes sense. Your thinking seems sensible. DET. I don?t think that - I mean. I - I don?t know. because the parents didn?t talk to us. either. I mean. God forbid. way 011 this side of the spectrum. maybe we have parents that go in there and say. "You know. this is What we want done." But nobody?s saying that. DR. that wouldn?t make sense. would it? DET. it - is it possible? Of course it?s possible. I don?t know. ?cause nobody talking to me. so I have to go out and all this - all these pieces. DR. is possible. but it makes little or no sense. Right? DET. DR. MURPHY mean. I see what you?re saying. Copy of Supervision of B1 7 Use Protocol. DET. that - that would be wonder?il. And that was. um. you said. fall of 2011 DR. DET. it was presented to the board. You wrote it. but she presented it to the board. DR. I wrote it. she reviewed it. and then. I don?t know. you know. like anything. maybe made any. you know. small suggestions or edits - but. yeah DET. DR. exactly 110w I see it. DET. So. run. you - you?ve had contact with her. you know. since then. Prior - prior to the incident. how - when was the last time you?d spoken to her prior to her calling you on March 13th? DR. MURPHY can?t even remember. Probably not in the previous few weeks or the previous month. So. 111mm. no recollection of exactly. but it was more than a week. more than a month. I believe. and maybe even more than two months. But I don?t really know. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 40 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 41 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Um. and why did you leave there and come here? DR. is what I want to do. DET. DR. DET. is it different? DR. is pure cancer. This is DET. DR. who are given up around the rest of the nation come here for their success. DET. But you guys. 11111. when this family wanted to come here. would not treat an 18-month-old. DR. that?s correct. DET. why is that? DR. the owner of this clinic is an internal medicine physician. not a pediatrician. DET. But you?re a pediatrician. DR. DET. but - DR. don?t run the clinic. DET. So he can?t - you can?t bring any - you can?t bring any kids here. DR. with his - not with his blessings. I would have to do it surreptitiously. DET. All right. DET. you have any research or citings at all that you can provide us as it relates to. um. that. um. earlier statement that you had made about. 11111. the injectable form not to give it - to tell the ER doctor - do you have any research at all or any studies that were done - as - as you had 5- you had stated to us. I would?ve - and - and - and please ?ll in the blanks. because I - it?s hard for doctor. so. uh. but you had said earlier about. "Hey. I would tell the - tell her to tell the - ER. ?Do not 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 41 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 42 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. treat the cyanide toxicity with the? DR. MURPHY2Conventional. DET. DR. me instead. DET. me". okay. So do you have any research and/or studies that would - that can back up that statement? Or you - you see where I?m getting at? DR. is a case study. Oh. you need me. Michelle? DR. MURPHY :Okay. There is a case study of a child who. um. was taken by authorities away ?om his DET. DR. Bu?alo. New York. DET. DR. they parent - and the authorities took him to the emergency department. DET. DR. was ?ne and functioning and doing well. DET. DR. the authorities said to the ER physician. "We think this child has cyanide poisoning. Please treat him." DET. DR. without doing their investigation. the emergency physicians treated him and nearly killed the child. DET. DR. child was ?ne and functioning and - and after the treatment was quite ill and sickly and nearly died having to go through a prolonged recovery period. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 42 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 43 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. you know. it just was ignorance on the physician?s part to - and - and - and. you know. the authorities thought in the best interest of the child. I would assume. but the child was treated for cyanide toxicity. and that created that the child did not have. DET. - the - created the - the cyanide? DR. the cyanide poisoning. that?s correct. Because it DET. was the child given? DR. not - not a cyanide. DET. was that DR. MURPHY I?ll get you that in a - in a minute. I can?t remember it right - right off the bat. Um. it?s not 2-PAM. but. um. just a second. I know you guys probably are all into DET. I?m just - I?m curious. DR. versions. I still like DET. DET. LOCKERBY2N0. DR. MURPHY still like a pieces of paper myself. DET. good. I do. too. DET. ?ne. DR. MURPHY :Umis it lunyeah. I don?t remember. I?ll have to get that case for you. But DET. Yeah. if you DR. a case from Buffalo. New York. DET. you could - if you could ?nd it and e-mail it to us. that?d be good. DR. either like a metha- or a hydroxocobalamin or a 2-PAM. it wasn?t meth- or Methylene Blue. maybe. Methylene 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 43 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 44 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:13:53 Added By: (600) prsoN. Blue is actually what releases the methemoglobin. so it?s typically used for methemoglobinemia. but it is the second stage of cyanide poisoning. DET. DR. that would be the one that would actually release cyanide from thiocyanate in a safe form. converting to a toxic form. DET. DET. DR. may have been Protopam. but I don?t think so. DET. PAXSON: you have that case study? Could you send that to me? DR. DET. could you forward - 511- show me where I can ?nd it? DR. wait just a second. DET. DR. MURPHY may have the book right here. DET. Great. DET. Perfect. DR. DET. low. DET. of memory probably. Battery? I just put a new one in. DET. LOCKERBY280. .. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 44 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH JOY WALKER ON 3-16-13 at the SCOTTSDALE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 Joy Walker DET. com. Do you have an ID on you? DET. like. a driver?s license or something I could just get your information real quick? OY:ObViously everything is not switched. yet. DET. JOYzlt's still DET. you so much. Joy. DET. don?t go by Daniel anymore? You?re - 0Y2Walker. DET. - OYzYeah DET. name is 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. going to be Walker? JOYzlt?s going to be. It?s not yet. DET. hasn?t been switched yet? it?s - must a been two weeks since we got married. DET. so when did you guys get married? OYszo weeks today. DET. sorry. What?s that? OYszo weeks today. DET. weeks today? Well hap- congratulations. OYzThanks. DET. ah. are you still livin? on. ah. OYsz-lml. DET. LOCKERBY: .. 0Y2Yeah. DET. DET. hi. DET. DET. - we?re ready for prints whenever DET. do you. um - um - um. Grace -- I?m sorry. name slipped -- is out in the lobby. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. just waiting. Do you want me to go and. um. deal with. ah. the printing real quick? And you can DET. DET. to. ah. DET. DET. LOCKERBY: . . .real quick? DET. ?ne. Yeah that?s ?ne. DET. I - I literally - I just started getting her information. DET. ?ne. That sounds good. DET. What?s your Social Security nlunber? DET. DET. DET. and do you - you said you work right now at JOYsz-lml. DET. what do you do there? do the database. DET. -- are you. like. in IT or something? JOY:Sorta. DET. that? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. - sort of - it?s kind of. ah. I do data work and reporting. DET. okay. DET. right. the database administration. DET. and do you have a cell phone number? yeah DET. DET. LOCKERBY - okay do you have a home phone? DET. Okay are you gonna be keeping this number and cell phone for a while? You?re not gonna OYzYeah. DET. it? Okay. DET. well you know what? Um. I?m gonna just go deal with this real quick. And she?s just gonna take over. 0Y20kay. DET. John DET. DET. you can take that back to him DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. DET. to him and grab his prints and I?ll talk to her. DET. yeah. I got it right here DET. DET. you just DET. PAXSONzPerfect. I?ll just give that back to him - thanks. [Det. Lockerby leaves the room and walks across the hall to the interview room where Robert Maynard is waiting] DET. how are you? Sorry DET. Joy? OY:Mln-lm1. DET. Jennifer. DET. you for. talked to my husband last night I guess? DET. I did. How?s he? DET. seemed a little nervous last night. unfortunately having to work DET. top of all this. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. very sorry. I?m sure this has a?ected the whole family on all different levels. And I?m - I was just telling Robert I cannot - nobody in this building or in this department can fathom what this family?s going through. It? a tragic event. And. um. I am sincerely - sincerely very sorry. JOYzThank you. DET. I guess we?re all just. you know. obviously we have an 18-month who died. That?s not supposed to happen. right? OY:Right. DET. not supposed to bury your children. Um. and we have very limited information. Because we haven?t had an opportunity to talk to them - to the parents. Um. we have an - have an investigation. That?s - that?s our job as law enforcement. Are - how long have you been in Arizona? like. nine years. DET. years okay. JOYsz-hm. DET. don?t know if things are done the same in Arizona as they are in Maine. But in Arizona when a baby stops breathing or a baby dies at home law enforcement goes out. OYsz. DET. something happened on this call. And when the 911 call went out only ?re got dispatched. OYsz-hm. DET. didn?t get dispatched. Um. we didn?t get the call until. like. around midnight that night. 0Y2Mm-hm. DET. at that point the last thing we want do is go - in fact by the time I had all the information and was ready to go contact the family. it?s 2:30 in the morning. OYsz-hm. DET. the last thing we want to do is go re-interview a family that has already told their story and has lost their daughter that night. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) PAXSON. JOYzYeah. DET. we went to the hospital (inaudible) because they asked about ten million questions for like ten minutes. DET. was just horrible. DET. so they?d already OYzYeah. DET. Robert and Grace had already been interviewed by the hospital. The medical examiner contacted OYsz-hm. DET. spoke to them over the phone. correct? Were you DET. for that? don?t know. DET. by the time I get the information and I?m ready to contact them. it?s 2:30 in the morning. And I - and I made a conscious decision not to do that and to do it during regular hours - maybe give them a little time 0Y2Mm-hm. DET. daughter had passed. Well in the meantime we start getting information. um. talking to some doctors back in Maine. et cetera. about this little girl? 5 condition. The autopsy was scheduled. We get kind a tied up with that. By the time I?m ready to talk to him. um. he?s nervous. like. ?Do I need an attomey?? . et cetera OYzYeah. DET. that?s his choice. And he chose to get an attorney. Here we are now. They?re getting ready to leave. And we still have no information. We?ve been given very little information about this child. about her disease. um. about the treatment she was receiving here. Why the Maynards came here to Maine. And so I?m just wondering is there anything. um. that you could help us - shed some light on. like. what are we dealing with here? What is this all about? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. I mean I - I - I don?t know. And it?s - we are waiting on the autopsy to tell us why this happened. DET. did they - did - one?s told us DET. sister - Robert tell you anything about the events that happened just prior to her death? the events that. you mean. like. the hours or the weeks? Yeah with her DET. hours - did 0Y20kay. DET. - yeah. mean I - I have very - I mean I was with her at lunch. We had a picnic lunch. DET. had a picnic OYzYeah. DET. the 13th? Wednesday the 13th. DET. PAXSON2Wednesday? 0Y2Yeah. DET. I mean we had DET. at? we went to the park. And we had a picnic DET. mean in Gilbert 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. they were - they were helping move. ah. my husband in DET. in Phoenix? 0Y2Mm-hm. DET. they stopped by my work DET. she seem at lunch that day? was great. She was. you know. smiley and happy and DET. she have to eat that day at the picnic lunch? think we just had. like. salad and cheese and apples and oranges. DET. food? it wasn?t DET. know. that was suspicious or anything. So. you know. and that?s the last time I saw her. DET. about what time was that. Joy? JOYzThat was maybe - I think we got there about 1:00. So they probably left about 2:00. DET. OY:Yeah. DET. you know where they went after that? far as I understand then they went and unloaded. um. ah. at the house. And then they went to the doctor? 5 appointment. And then from there the whole DET. this doctor?s appointment do you 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) PAXSON. don?t DET. JOY: . . .(inaudible) . .. DET. this doctor appointment? DET. you know what kind a doctor it was? I just. you know DET. they talk to you about. um. what they were coming out they DET. kind a for the wedding. honestly. DET. they came for the wed- when was your wedding. by the way? weeks ago today. DET. the date? ((Crosstalk)) DET. congratulations. the 2nd DET. 2nd? OYzYeah. DET. PAXSONzFebruary 2nd? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. JOYzYeah so they were DET. no - excuse me - March 2nd. JOY2March 2nd. yeah. DET. - DET. DET. two. yeah. DET. 3-2-13. OY:(inaudible) yeah. DET. so yeah. so yeah they came out for the wedding and DET. OYzYeah. DET. like a long time to stay. OYzYeah I know. DET. it?s the 16th. Did they have - did they have a one-way ticket or a round-trip I?m not sure. Because they were. you know. they thought they might not come and stuff like that DET. um. yeah it was. the tickets were. like. kept moving. like. because. you know. what they?re dealing with 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. so you guys got married on the 2nd. OY:Mln-lm1. DET. did you have a honeymoon? OYzYeah. DET. you take off'.> a week. DET. they stayed? 0Y:Yeah. DET. stayed in Arizona. Who?d they stay with then? they were staying with my husband? 5 family. DET. out in Gilbert? OYzYeah. DET. OYzYeah so I think that? where the people went last DET. to that address. DET. tun. yeah DET. does your husband do? he works for . I don?t know if you know DET. PAXSONzDevelopment? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSON:Institute? - it?s. like. um. a lockdown facility for troubled teens DET. know? DET. um. but yeah he? 5 working right now. DET. all right so you?re gone on your honeymoon. JOYsz-lmi. DET. they stay? Did they stay - do you know did they stay just from - to get medical treatment for 0Y2That?s what I mlderstand. DET. DET. DET. guess here?s my - here?s my big question. Everybody has the right to choose what kind a treatment or What doctor they go to. right? Um. whose decision would you say it was to seek more of a. um. naturopathic or holistic approach as - as compared to maybe conventional medicine such as chemotherapy? - I wouldn?t say it was one or the other. DET. they JOY: . . .(inaudible) . .. DET. they both pretty much on the 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. JOYsz-lml. DET. with that kind a thing? JOY2Right yeah. DET. DET. don?t (inaudible) that. um. DET. - did they talk to you about this treatment that was gonna get from this doctor? Um. do you know anything about it? Do you know anything about what she. DET. they gave her that day? I don?t know. DET. didn?t tell you? Or you don?t know didn?t - they didn?t tell me. I don?t know. I DET. to Othhey said they were having an appointment and I don?t know if it was a talking appointment or an actual ?do-something? appointment. You know? I - I didn?t know. DET. so what? 5 your understanding based on what they told you and what you found out? What? 3 your understanding of what happened that afternoon 011 the 13th after you saw I lmderstood that they. you know. dropped off stuff at my house. went to their appointment DET. you say your house your new house on always lived there. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - my husband was moxing in. DET. so they dropped off the stuff and they had to go to the appointment. Went to the appointment and everything was ?ne. A11. and I mean this is all on my sister? 5 blog. I mean. I?m like just kind of reciting it from her blog what she said. which was they tried to get some lunch DET. she have a blog for OYzYeah. DET. JOYzyeah - well she has her own blog DET. a memory page she?s just always been a blogger DET. was talking about treatments. You know? So I mean there?s - it?s not like they?re hiding treatments DET. like that. I mean they?ve DET. the name of her blog? it?s. like. gracieworks. DET. PAXSON2Gracieworks? JOYzYeah. So I mean. um. yeah from what I mlderstand they had the appointment. went to go eat. She. like. started acting weird or something. So then they went back to the DET. you know where they went to go eat? was Arriba?s. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. s? OY:Something like that. yeah. DET. it. OYzNearby. DET. at -- do you know? 0Y2Well. I thought the appointment was somewhere north lOl. DET. Aniba?s would be near maybe - I?m not sure. yeah. DET. you don?t know if it was an Arriba?s here in Scottsdale or an would assume it was close DET. anybody tell you that? DET. - I would just assmne that. Um. because they said. you know. it was very quickly after they got their food that she started acting kind a strange and so they went back. And I guess the lady. you know. she was still breathing. And the lady there. um. called 911. And the ambulances came and stuff. DET. got a call at 7:30. you know. "Come - come to the emergency room here. And. um. she hasn?t been breathing on her own for 20 minutes." And that?s when we came over. And they told us later that she had passed just before we got in there. Um. so that?s pretty much how the day. you know. went for us. DET. very sorry. That? a hard call to receive. I can?t even - I can?t even imagine. Joy. So you - so what do you think hap- I mean what do you think - you seem like a smart. intelligent. articulate woman don?t know. I have no 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. mean have - I - someone said something. I mean. about her heart - or her breathing - something along those lines. So it?s. like. it doesn?t seem to have any correlation with this. So I?m. like. well there must have just been something. Like. I don?t know -- DET. you asked at all? DET. you asked about the - well. it? not Sudden Infant OYzYeah. DET. that? guess I have no DET. happens when JOYzit?s just so weird. DET. small. right? I mean she?s JOYzYeah. I don?t know. DET. PAXSON: old. Have you asked them about what - what that doctor did to her? - no. DET. you speci?cally asked them. like. ?Well. what did that doctor do?? DET. it?s not that - it?s not that they?re avoiding telling you. You just haven?t asked? 0Y2Just haven?t - yeah I just haven?t asked. DET. talked about. like. hey what happened at that doctor visit? OYzYeah I don?t - I don?t know. I mean - somebody else may have you know? But I don?t know. (inaudible) after that. I just know they went back to her. And I think she was at the ER. I just don?t know which one she was. But they said the lady was there and 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. know. very DET. you get a chance to talk to her? I - I don?t know which one she was. I was just - I was dealing with Grace the whole time and DET. be strong and be with her. DET. DET. um. what is Grace saying now about everything? JOYzThat - I mean she's d- ah. devastated. She just lost her baby. I mean she?s. 111111. yeah I mean we take ?em in and help ?em out and support them. But it?s crazy. and I mean they?re just going through the grief process DET. OY:Some days you?re. like. they seem okay. And then the next one. ah. they?re just sobbing hysterically. DET. this is kind of a personal question I guess. But. um. if you get sick or you need to go to a doctorconventional medicine doctor? You know. like. someone - some- somebody. you knowclinic ormore of a. 11111. naturopathic - holistic docket - doctor? well I don?t know how that has any relevance DET. I?m just wondering is this something that is. um. is this something that - it?s how Grace was raised that this - or is this something new that she has decided? This is a - it?s a life choice - it?s a path. right? JOY2Right DET. JOYzand my family is like that. I particularly DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoNtry and avoid doctors as DET. possible. But I?m DET. sometimes you need one. Say you get a sinus infection JOY2Never had one. Our family is DET. healthy. DET. DET. right. really had any broken bones. I mean. it?s just DET. JOY: hugely traumatic for my family. We?ve never had a death. DET. or um. you DET. anything JOY: . . .broken DET. like. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. 5 your understanding - when did this. um. when did her condition start? I think it was a month ago when they found it. DET. that?s when she was diagnosed. OY:Okay. DET. JOYzThat?s the ?rst DET. DET. time you heard of it? JOYzRight. DET. Because it sounds like she was seeing. um. a holistic-type doctor prior to that. But you?re - you? re not aware of that? I know of that is what I?ve read in her blog DET. there was nothing in the blog prior to a month ago about this eye. you know. condition? DET. All right. So. um. so your family. the way you were raised. um. tend to take more of a holistic approach. Would you say Robert?s family is the same way? yeah they?re very much that way. yeah. DET. so very similar in their - in their thinking? JOY2Right yeah. DET. it?s not - it?s not right. wrong or indifferent. JOY2Right. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Supplement Page: 21 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J DET. PAXSON:It`s just - it - it helps me understand, um, what they were thinking when they called that doctor instead of taking her to the emergency room... JOY:Right. DET. PAXSON:...like, at let`s say Scottsdale Healthcare - Shea. JOY:Yeah and they - they wouldn`t have that information. DET. PAXSON:You know what I mean? JOY:No, they`re just going back to the last person they talked to and... DET. PAXSON:Right. JOY:you know, whatever happened at that appointment - I don`t know. Maybe they did. DET. PAXSON:Yeah. JOY:So... DET. PAXSON:Um... JOY:Yeah. DET. PAXSON:What about, um... JOY:And it sounded like it wasn`t, you know, she didn`t stop breathing. Her eyes - the way they talked about it was that she kind went f- f- limp or, you know? I don`t... DET. PAXSON:Floppy. JOY:.. know the word -- floppy. DET. PAXSON:Floppy is the word that the doctor used. JOY:So, you know, it wasn`t, um, you know, I - I don`t know. I - I don`t know if that would cause that, like, immediate alarm, or you know? But, you know, that`s speculation, um... DET. PAXSON:No, yeah and if you`re not there, um, what about is there, um, again another personal question. But it would - gives me insight and kind of helps me understand when decisions are made a way - a certain way that they`re made sometimes religious 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0.1-30.3, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. dec- medical decisions. 0Y2Mm-hm. DET. PAXSON2Anything like that with either. um. Robert or Grace? we?re a very strongly religious family and his as well. And so we?re DET. DET. PAXSON:Christian? Okay. 11111. anything in your religion that says you can?t go to a - a convention- conventional emergency room versus JOY2N0. DET. OYzNothing like that. DET. - I mean. strong faith. OYsz-hm. DET. um. but that doesn?t really dictate healthcare? not necessarily -- obw'ously there?s probably some things that as you come to a decision your faith might. you DET. JOY: you sway one way or another. But I don?t DET. are you from Maine? I - were from Vir- Grace and I are from Virginia. DET. PAXSONzVirginia? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. JOYzYeah. DET. moved to Maine when they got married. DET. moved here. DET. they meet? through like a Bible DET. DET. yeah. DET. how long have they been together? JOY2That?s a good question. I am not sure. I would have to look it up. DET. been a number of years obviously. DET. and they had. ah. they had And it sounds like they had her right at home. OYsz-hm. DET. didn?t go to the hospital. like. you know. most people may go to the hospital to have the baby delivered. She - were you there DET. was born? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: PAXSON. JOYsz-lnm. I haven?t - I hadn?t met until two weeks ago. DET. really -- that was the ?rst time you met her? Oh I am so sorry. Joy. So you haven?t seen - it?s not - you don?t see your sister very often? Let me get you a tissue. she?s in Maine. DET. what? in Maine so. ah. we live far apart. DET. Det. Lockerby] Did you want to come in? DET. be in in a second. DET. Okay well if there is any - anything that you think would help us ?gure out what happened. I mean obtiously. . . DET. the a- I mean we?re so - we?ve been waiting to hear what DET. autopsy? DET. you know. were like what?s going on? DET. feel very in the DET. to Robert. Okay. DET. explained this to Robert. And I'm sure he - he and I weren?t cormecting or maybe he doesn?t widerstand. um. everything. But I?ll explain it to you and maybe if they have questions they can talk to you. Obviously when somebody dies from a 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. gunshot wound. that?s apparent. DET. if they died from a hanging. that?s apparent. Or a stabbing -- that?s apparent. That?s things you can see with your own two eyes. right? OYzYeah. DET. died from something that we can?t see with the naked eye. So. um. her death is going to be determined on lab results. toxicology-type they don?t know. DET. that could take three OYsz-hm. DET. PAXSON: us to get that back okay? Um. I would say that just based on timing there - there? 5 a possibility that her death is directly related to the treatment that she received at the doctor? 3 of?ce that OYsz-lml. DET. on the timing. JOYsz-hm. DET. based on the medical records we?ve seen from that doctor? 5 of?ce and the type of treatment that was given and the known consequences or side effects and the dangers re- related to - I would say that there is a possibility that it? gonna be related - directly related to that treatment. JOY20kay. DET. that? 5 what I?m wondering about w- you know. what they?re saying about this. Because they - they took her there for that treatment. JOY20bviously they trusted her. You know? And they are such researchers. They research everything before they do it. I DET. they obviously researched it and thought. you know. that she was good. And they talked about her being an ER doctor for many years prior something like that. but y- yeah I mean 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. what I?m won - that?s what I?m wondering about. That?s the kind - those are the kind a questions that I have. Like. w- what was - what was the thought process of choosing her - choosing this line of treat- if - if they are good researchers and there?s all this information out there about this type a treatment know. DET. just wondering. like. what information they had that maybe I don?t have yet. Because something made them decide to go forward. JOYzYeah I?m not. you DET. something made them not want to have traditional chemotherapy. obviously if you. you know. I mean chemo kills people. I mean it kills cells DET. it also saves a lot a people too. right? Wouldn?t you agree with that too? mm. I mean I haven?t done the research DET. mean they cho- but they chose to do a different route instead of chemotherapy. Now I?m just wondering. it would be helpful if I could understand their thought JOYzYeah. DET. our investigation. But if DET. shared with DETtreatment research on something and you - you come across -- I?m not saying you. just like a hypothetical situation. JOYsz-hm. DET. you did a lot a research kind a like what your sister does and her. you know. Robert. OYsz-lmi. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DETthat like they did - and you came across a certain type of treatment towards a certain aihnent that you or your child has and you saw the negative consequences of giving that treatment for that ailment because of all the research that? 5 been out there on it. would you still follow through with it even though it?s been shown to have extreme negative consequences? JOY2A11 I - I don?t understand the point of that question. You?re. you DET. my. ah. my what I would do and if - I DET. LOCKERBY2N0 - no I - I?m ask- yeah I?m asking what you would do. DET. know? They may have been at a position where they didn?t really like either choice. And maybe that?s it 0Y2Yeah I mean I can?t give you insight into what their research process was. I mean I wasn?t there. DET. you DET. you s- I know. But DET. they did a lot a research. right? mean they res- we were just talking. We received wedding gifts yesterday. And so there was some knives and so Robert was commenting about how they researched knives for three - three homs to ?gure out what knives they wanted to pick for the registIy. And they were mad ?cause then they picked a different knife. And they?re like. "Well. uh. I spent all this time researching the knives." DET. PAXSON2011. know? DET. just. you know. I 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. about them DET. seem intelligent. JOY: . . .they research DET. they have. um. do they - do they have education past high school DET. of them? DET. they went to high school. JOYsz-lmi. DET. um. what do they do for a living? JOY2A11. Robert?s a contractor. DET. himself. He DET. does he do? his own. ah. roo?ng and does DET. c- DET. kind a thing okay. What does Grace do? she?s a DET. PAXSON:Stay-at-home mom? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 29 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. JOYzYeah. DET. DET. she. yeah. DET. DET. just sayin? DET. do they live with? DET. 0Y2They live by themselves. DET. by themselves okay. DET. um. I - I guess the point of my question is is if let?s say put you in that situation and if you were hurting - I mean would you want to take a - a - a substance that you researched and saw that it had negative side effects? I think we all do that. I mean we take birth control ?cause we know that it does this. But it also gives us these. I mean DET. - it is what it is. That?s DET. like. a risk you. It?s - you?re - you?re taking calculated risks DET. JOY: . . .you take DET. do any kind of medical stuff. I mean - but I - I don?t know that my thought process is the same as theirs DET. and I?m not asking. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 29 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 30 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. OYzYou know? I mean I don?t know DET. of course you?re a different person. DET. not asking OYzquestion it. DET. - what you think of them. I?m OYzYeah. DET. just your thought process as OYzYeah I mean I don?t know. DET. to. um. if they?re so thorough in their research and they came across infonnation that was bad - really bad why would a person want to follow through with that? - I couldn?t tell you. I - I DET. DET. you - part of that research probably want to consult with some people that are knowledgeable that - in that area/?eld? DET. he?s getting at here. Joy. is there?s - this treatment that was done DET. you do is type it in on a computer and you can?t anything good about it. So I?m just wondering - we?re just. ah. we?re just baf?ed by why they went forward with this and why the doctor went forward with it on a child that?s 18 months old. DET. it says that not even adults should do this. DET. mean I understand maybe you?re an adult. You?re 40. 50 years old. You have cancer. And you?ve tried everything else. And you are making this decision for your own body for 0Y2Mm-hm. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 30 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 31 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. try this. um. this treatment that is. um. there?s a strong debate that it?s - it?s not safe. DET. understand as an adult you can make that choice. Where I struggle is when it?s an 18-month-old baby and you have to make that choice for the - for the baby - for the child. OYsz-hm. DET. and - and it?s - it?s severely unrecommended to do - to do this treatment. And I?m just wondering if you can help me understand at all what this family was going through and why they would make this choice. But it doesn't - and I don?t want to put words in your mouth - but it doesn?t sound like they con?ded in you in the exact treatment. was in Mexico. DET. were in Mexico? DET. prior I - I was gone (inaudible) DET. DET. to coming out here I think they knew what they were coming out here for. don?t know that DET. PAXSON: some information to their doctor in Maine. We spoke to the doctor in Maine. And they came in with information about two clinics here in Arizona and treatments that they wanted to do. to be honest. I didn?t even know they were going to stay until halfway through my honeymoon. My husband told me they DET. stay 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 31 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 32 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. i- is it fair to say that yeah. DET. didn?t con?de in you 0Y2They were tryin? not to worry me before the wedding. ?Cause I was really stressed out if people can imagine. DET. the wedding? OYzAbout the wedding and DET. you know. just life. DET. DET. DET. Well I - and I don?t blame you. Yeah. JOYzThey were trying to protect me I guess. so I didn?t even know that my family had stayed DET. halfway through your honeymoon? 0Y2Yeah. DET. then you ?nd out that they stayed and that maybe they were gonna seek treatment for here in Arizona? JOYzYeah that? 5 about DET. they didn?t tell you what kind of treatment? JOY:(inaudible) they didn?t. DET. they didn?t share with you their thought process as to conventional chemotherapy versus this holistic approach with some. um. possible serious side effects including death? .. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 32 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 33 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. didn?t have that conversation with you? DET. then even that day at the OYzEverything I know about what they were seeking for treatment I read in my sister?s blog. You know? DET. don?t talk on a regular basis. She?s in Maine. I?m here. We have very separate lives. And. um. and I was preparing for a wedding DET. know? I read my sister?s blogs. And that?s how I ?nd DET. what does she blog about? DET. - I mean. you know. a lot of the stay-at-home moms blog. And they blog about things about their - their DET. ideas 0Y2Yeah. DET. that what she does? that and the - the essential oils and the. you know. the holistic treatment stuff DET. it?s just DET. DET. PAXSON: . . .gracieworks? OYsz-hm - mm-hm. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 33 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 34 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. DET. think so. DET. DET. the name of the blog? I mean it?s out there DET. think you could ?nd it. DET. well that may be help?il. you know. to give us some insight. We?re just - just tryin? to ?gure out why this decision was made. DET. we?re - we have investigation right now. And in order for me to make the right decisions on what direction for this investigation to go in I want to know ?Why?d you make this decision?? You know? That? 5 just - equally as important as what happened. OYzYeah and I - yeah I couldn?t help you with that. DET. mean yeah. DET. there anything else you think would be important for us to DET. that may help us ?gure JOY:(inaudible) I mean they?re - I mean they?re parents. They want the best for their child. So they?re going to do whatever they can to help her and - 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 34 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 35 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:20:58 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. JOY: . . .(inaudible) . .. DET. PAXSON: . . .con?dent. DET. JOY: . . .(inaudible) . .. DET. wanted the best for her. I?m con?dent that. um. they didn?t - they de?nitely didn?t want this to happen to her. I?m - I?m. I?m con?dent in my heart that that?s the case. I?m just wondering if. um. the proper decisions were made along the way or if their own beliefs bumped maybe what was best for her. And that? 5 what I?m trying to ?gure out. Does that make sense? DET. LOCKERBY: (inaudible). . . OYzYeah - yeah. DET. well let?s get you back out there. I think we?ve got everything we need for them. 0Y20kay. DET. LOCKERBY: (inaudible). .. DET. we?ll. um. let you guys get on your way. JOY20kay. are we still This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 35 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH KARISSA BROWN ON 3-21-13 at the Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Karissa Brown DET. PAXSONzThursday. March let approximately 5:04 pm. Um. I?m at and this will be a statement from Karissa Brown. And go ahead and state your full name and your date of birth. Karissa. Brown - actually it?s Karissa Pauline Brown. Um. date of birth DET. And you work at the front desk here at - at the practice? that day I was at the front. DET. else do you do? also do billing in the back so we separate them out. DET. so on the 13th you were working at the front front desk. DET. PAXSONzcounter here? KARIS SAzYes. DET. And at approximately. um. when I was just talking to you brie?y you said you were here when they came in the ?rst time. Who? 5 they? Do you know their names or can you describe them to me? I - it?s the Maynards. DET. Maynards. okay. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. KARIS SA:They came in with their daughter. Her name? 5 DET. DET. about what time did they get here? their appointment was for 3:30. DET. around that time. I don?t remember exactly DET. they are generally on time people. DET. many times have they been here? was their second time I believe. It was their follow up visit. DET. before they would have only had an initial so it?s their second time. DET. an initial? when they ?rst come in and meet with the doctor and present their case. DET. a consultation? DET. so no treatment happens 011 the ?rst visit then you come back. Or does treatment happen on the ?rst visit? mean I don?t really know. DET. Okay so. um. when was their ?rst visit? Did you - were you here? was here on the ?rst visit. I don?t remember What day it was. It would be logged in but I don?t remember the exact day 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. every patient comes. DET. Sure. Was it that week though? Was it last week or do you know if it was week prior believe it was the week prior. DET. Um. and then so. um. you were here Wednesday the 13th at about - their appointment was set for 3:30. They came in. They were 011 time. Um. and tell me about the child when she came in. How - was she being carried? Was she walking? was carrying her. DET. was cute and smiling. DET. and smiling? KARIS SAzYeah. DET. so alert like holding her head up? DET. PAXSONzEverthing was ?ne? DET. you notice anything different about her from the ?rst time that you?d seen her? KARIS She was just smiling both times. DET. All right. Um. so then you log them in or check them in that they?re here? DET. do you - do you notify anybody notify the nurses and the doctor and then they take care of it. DET. And then what time did you leave here? day? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. you here when they left with the ?rst time? DET. KARIS SAzYeah. DET. What time did they leave? Approximately what time did they leave? its pro- their appointments are generally about an hour. DET. I?d say about an hour later. DET. 4:30? KARISSAzpossibly. DET. And what time did you leave? day? DET. probably no later than 5:30. DET. later than 5:30 that day because the of?ce closes and then we close the of?ce. DET. So were you here when they returned? KARIS I was here when they returned but I never made any contact with them. I mean I was on the premises: I never saw them. never spoke to them. never 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. 110w do you know you were here when they returned if you never saw them? because they - they told us she was coming in. DET. told you? Dr. Grout DET. Grout? Okay. they called her and said they were coming in. DET. she say why they were coming back? DET. So. um. did that seem strange to you that they were coming back after hours? sometimes patients come back to pick up something that maybe they left. DET. hours? Okay. So you thought maybe that? 5 what they were doing? KARISSA21 really don?t know. They just told me and I was in the middle of all my stu? so I was just like "Okay". DET. then so you don?t see them at all? DET. And then you leave at about 5:30? DET. And how?d you ?nd out about what happened? I didn?t ?nd out till the next day. DET. you came to work? DET. called you 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. one called me. I just found out the next day at work. DET. And what?s your understanding of what happened? I just know that 511- from what I understand that she came in and I really don?t know what was wrong. I mean I didn?t see her. DET. I understand you?re not a doctor. not DET. you probably don?t know all the speci?cs but what is your understanding - as were sitting here a week later - what?s your understanding of what happened to this little girl? Like she came in - 511- last you heard she was coming back in. Now I know is she - all I know is they called 911 and they went to take her to the hospital and she didn?t make it. DET. she died? That?s all you know? what I know they were giving her CPR so that? DET. you aware that she died? yes. DET. So that?s your understanding is she came back in. tun. something happened where they called 911. C- CPR was given. she was taken to the hospital and she died. That? 5 your understanding? DET. Anything else? it? 5 my mlderstanding when they came in that she wasn?t feeling well. DET. they came in the second time. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. first time or the second time? second time that she hasn?t feeling well. That?s all I know. DET. PAXSON:Somebody said she?s not feeling well. DET. you never saw them. never saw them. DET. I don?t know if she really wasn?t feeling well or if she was okay so I can?t say either way. DET. when you saw them at was smiling. DET. was smiling and seemed okay? DET. All right. DET. questions for me? don?t think so. DET. KARIS you need anything else just give me a call. DET. And if you think of anything else or know of anything else that you think I didn?t ask then. um. I?ll give you my card and you can reach out to me. If I have it. Here we go. Okay? All right we?ll go off the recorder. Thank you. you. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agency: SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:30:21 Added By: (600) PAXSON, This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH CAROL DAVIS. MICHAEL TIMIVIONS EVAN COPPOLA ON 9-12-13 at PHOENIX CHILDRENS HOSPITAL Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Michael Timmons Carol Davis Evan Coppola DET. date is Thursday. September 12. 2013. It?s approximately 3:10 pm. I?m at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. And I?m in a conference room in their legal department. Um. present for this meeting is Carol Davis. She?s the Operations Manager in the Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders. Michael Timmons who?s the Financial Counselor for Phoenix Children? 5 Medical Group. and then Evan Coppola who is the Assistant General Counsel. Um. all are present and this will be. um. I?m interested in getting statements from Carol Davis and Michael Timmons regarding their contact with the Maynard family back in March of - of this year 2013. This is in regards to the death of report number 13-05991. And this is Detective Paxson. badge 600. Okay. Um. so before we went on the recorder I told you guys just to refresh your memory about what case this was you both recall that you - you remembered dealing with this family. Um. so why don?t we start with you Carol and - or who - who ?rst spoke to them? MICHAEL21 had the initial contact. DET. PAXSONzMichael. And Michael would you state your full and your date of birth for me please? it?s. 1111. Michael Timmons DET. Thank you. Okay 50. um. do you - do you have notes or do you have memory of speaking to them? th- the contact was - was pretty general and for the most part fairly brief. Uh. I was contacted. uh. via the dad. tun. father. uh. regarding questioning what the requirements are for being seen at Phoenix Children?s Medical Group in the clinic setting for some concerns that he had regarding his child. DET. you received a phone call or a contact in person? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Incrdent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. received a phone call. DET. the father. Do you recall his name? know I honestly can?t. I?m sure I have it docmnented. uh. kind of the emails. I think. Carol may have had that email in there so she may be able to speak to the name maybe of the dad. DET. at the time he was asking again just general questions. um. regarding what the criteria was to be seen in the clinic. And I went on again generally as we do with - with all patients and asked some questions regarding. you know. what type of a doctor was he looking. you know. to be seen with and. uh. the care needs of the child and some demographic information. DET. you already know about this appointment that was scheduled for his daughter. um. on March 4th? appointment itself he did mention that. you know. he had already pre-scheduled one. Um. and I wanna say that it was through Dr. Eshun. Um. at that point I may have even thought it was with Dr. Eshun. DET. and so then again protocol for us is. you know. speaking to the doctor. speaking to Carol. myself. we speak to the farme so we get all the criteria on any new patient DET. not established. DET. me. uh. let me stop you and I?m sorry to interrupt but this is really important for me to understand. So it?s my understanding and who - anybody in this room can answer just so I have a clear picture of how this happened. It?s my understanding that this family is from Maine and that there were doctors in Maine who saw this child or knew of this child? 5 condition. And when those doctors found out that the family left Maine. came to Arizona. and were not going to be returning to Maine because of the severity and the complexity of her situation those doctors went out of their way to contact Phoenix Children?s Hospital. Dr. - you say you pronounce it Eshun? DET. Eshun?s group. uh. particularly. and requested. um. an appointment to have this little girl?s tumor staged. That?s my understanding. So that? probably before you guys were involved. So at some point that appointment is scheduled. um. for March 4th based on information that I?ve recovered during our investigation. So that appointment is then communicated with the family how? MICHAEL:Generally it?s either gonna be by way of a scheduler. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. or whomever sets the - the appointment up. That part was nothing to do with anybody that was present. typically what happens when we get referrals from other physicians. the physician will give the information to our schedulers and in this case it was Patricia Macias. DET. you - okay Patricia. DET. CAROL2M-A-C-I-A-S. And she?s one of our schedulers. DET. um. she - a couple of times attempted to schedule an appointment with the father and then the father ended up calling back. um. and so DET. spoke to Patricia? spoke to Patricia. And DET. she?s not here today? DETdidn?t hasn?t been involved in any of this process whatsoever from our phone call forward. I didn?t know that she?d need to be here. DET. we EVAN :Her name is new to me. too. DET. we include her? I mean is 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. we could call her. DET. we? DET. I?m wondering about this very ?rst phone call. DET. when she says hey I?m calling to schedule this appointment like how does the father know to call you? That?s what I?m wondering. gen- generally for - for all clinics they?re referred to someone in ?nancial counseling as far as if the family has questions regarding out of pockets. responsibilities. What - what the criteria basically is because they?re a new patient. DET. do you think. um. do you think he had these questions with Patricia? And then she said you need. you know what I can?t answer those. You need to would refer to DET. it would be more appropriate to discuss ?nancials and numbers with me. absolutely. DET. that?s probably how he CAROLzCorrect. DET. I was wondering how does he just pick up the phone and call you? right. 110. DET. was wondering where that came from. MICHAEL Generally. . . that?s the - that?s the process. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. the process always starts with scheduling. - and when the father told Patricia that he had - is this - when the father told Patricia that he didn?t have insurance - any patient that?s scheduled without insurance goes to the ?nancial counselor. DET. So I?m familiar with these phone calls from PCH. They call and like pre-register you over the phone DET. they ask for insurance. CAROLzCorrect. DET. at that point when he didn?t have it to DET. Patricia next step is to Michael. DET. to contact you? DET. still want her? DET. good now. Are you certain that that?s. um. do you have knowledge I have it in our documentation. DET. did not have insurance and that?s what he told her when he called to schedule? Richard called this morning and spoke with Patty. As she was gathering infonnation she was informed ca- has no insurance. DET. Richard? Back up. Richard?s the father 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. father. DET. CAROL2Richard Maynard? DET. CAROL1011 then this is - must be a typo. DET. Okay. That?s ?ne. That?s okay I mean Robert. Richard. EVAN :Just en- entered the name incorrectly. DET. that - oh. that?s not a problem. I just wanted to make sure we didn?t have somebody else involved in this. Sorry. DET. father father called and by cli- by clinic policy she called out - the outpatient fmancial counselor Michael - Michael Timmons who in tum called Richard. DET. Carol what day was that? Does it - is it dated? was let?s see. um. she attempted to reach him twice on 3-1 to request he call and schedule an appointment as well. Um. Richard called this morning and the date of this email would be March 5th. DET. the appoint- March 4th. DET. I was gonna say the appointment 4th. DET. believe was tentatively scheduled 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. March 4th. March 4th. DET. so then he?s given information to contact you and let?s pick up so he - he EVAN :So she star- she started calling him on March lst. CAROLzCorrect. Because Dr. Eshun would?ve given her the infonnation and said call this father and schedule this patient with Dr. Hingorani. DET. that?s - okay. when the - the dad gets me on the phone and like I said. we go through the different protocol to kind of assess what the needs are. you know. not just patient being seen. you know. again asking for the insurance information if anything is present. Um. and dad at that point initially. you know. and we ask demographic stuff too. Do you intend on staying here because this visit. you know. the visit?s generally in especially a clinic like hematology/neurology they?re not a one hit wonder. DET. uh. continuous process. DET. he says no I?m here for - we?re just here for a wedding. We?re - we?re only here for about a few days or so and then we?re taking off back to Maine. DET. said he was going back to Maine. And I said okay since - at that point the conversation stopped. I said you know what Mr. Maynard let me go ahead and speak with. you know. the clinic itself. And ?nd out some more details on. you know. what we?re looking at here and then we?ll contact you back. DET. at that point we had contacted - I got. uni. the social worker Marcia who was also kind of involved directly with that. Um. and Carol. DET. say hey here?s a patient that I have 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. is the social worker? Marcia. uh EVAN: Soldavini for you. That? a DET. is it Marcia DET. she?s a social worker? DET. so you spoke to Marcia and you spoke to Carol. DET. I was in the of?ce with Marcia and Carol I said we need to call this dad back and just kind of ?nd out. Because there?s. um. just from my conversation with dad his intentions as to what he was looking for happening in his - in his visit that he was looking for versus his actual staying in town they just didn?t line up. DET. so when you say that you mean having a tumor staged and only being here for a couple days weren?t marrying up. - right. Because what ends up happening is when they schedule the patient - and I mean I know enough of this clinical part of it. um. a new patient is of course always its initial consultation at best the ?rst time around. And then the doctor based on his assessment says okay here? 5 the following things that we need to do. DET. said no I?m getting. you know. A. B. and done which was a bone marrow something or other. CAROLzBiopsy. these things that could never be done in one shot with results provided same day. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. that? where - all of that was my concem. I said you know what? Let me go and speak to Carol. Marcia. consult Dr. Eshun as well and say is this possible? DET. let' 5 start there before we even go further with the conversation about anything. DET. tun. assessments. ?nancial assistance that we offer through Phoenix Children?s with or without insurance are time consuming just in collecting data. DET. it? not a. you?re coming in at 3:00 today. we?re gonna - everything?s prepared. DET. DET. you go talk to Carol and Patricia. MICHAEL2N0. we had Carol and Marcia. DET. sorry. We had Carol and Marcia. Um. all at - we all went in Carol?s of?ce. DET. um. I said. you know. we gotta call this dad back because I need a second set of ears to what he?s telling me is his intention of being here. what he expects from the visit. Carol obviously and - and then Dr. Eshun they?re more quali?ed to speak DET. Dr. Eshun aware of this phone call from the father 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. ?Cause before we called the father we just asked Dr. Eshun patient needs A. B. and C. DET. this being done today? DET. he said de?nitively DET. which we already knew but just to get a doctor?s word ?cause it? appropriate. DET. so then we called dad. um. on speakerphone DET. the three of us present. DET. that? where we started to ask the - the questions of okay so it?s our understanding that you?re here just for a wedding. Is that correct? Yes. Your intention is not to stay in the valley in Phoenix beyond this wedding. You?re here just visiting. uh. on a vacation ahnost. DET. Okay well the visit itself for what you?re asking for calmot physically possibly be performed in such a manner. And. you know. with the ?nancial assistance piece of it that?s also time consuming and Michael?s gonna need A. B. and items from you to assess and see where we can help you DET. MICHAEL:without insurance. And at that point he said I don?t have. 1111. any documentation ?nancially. I do odd jobs here and there. And was a little never - and he said I?ve never ?led taxes. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. So at that point it became more of a compliance red ?ag as far as okay something?s DET. is he gonna provide you with the docmnents that you need to documents. is any part of the story really what it said - What it seems? Marcia and I started explaining to him that a bone marrow bi- ?rst of all he?d have to have a consultation with the doctor. Then as Michael said from there they decide okay. you know. yes we?re gonna do a bone marrow biopsy and stage the tumor. And we explained to him that. you know. that you don?t - in oncology you don?t just stage someone and then drop the case. So if you - if you?re not going to be here for treatment you're - the better option for you is to go back to your physician. um. and I had talked to the physician back there. DET. which one did you talk to? you know. I?d have to look through my emails. DET. you know if it was a male or a female? it was a male. Um. I - I can look back through my emails. DET. CAROLzBecause I EVAN :Does - does the it Levin? DET. There?s Lavin. DET. PAXSON:Orabowski? DET. Fryberger. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. Fryberger. And it wasn?t the femalethe males. And. um. I mean they - when I spoke with - with EVAN :Those are your notes to me. they were so - I mean they wanted the family to come back. They were - they said as soon as they get off the airplane we will. you know. take care of them and money is not an issue. Um. there?s that one. So I explained to him that y- you know. you - you have to. you know. once - once you cross that bridge and see the patient you assume responsibility if you start doing diagnostic testing. DET. so we - we recommended that. you know. his best bet - and that we had talked to the doctors in Maine - and that the best bet for this little girl was to take her back home. you DET. PAXSONzBecause he wasn?t plam1ing to stay here? CAROL:Correct. DET. anybody ask him are you willing to stay here? We - we will provide treatment if you are willing to stay here. Was that ever offered? we based it on what is your intention DET. MICHAEL:because I mean at any point in time it? 5 maybe not the most appropriate for us to sway them that way because then we?re directing the family. It?s more of what is your intention DET. is the care needs of your child and we wanna help you DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely. we need to know what your intentions are. DET. anyone from PCH talk to him about the severity of the situation and the urgency of getting this tumor staged? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. - well I mean we didn?t get real clinical but we told him. you know. that he needed to go back and. you know. seek medical care for her there. his doctor there there was - there was no clearance medically for him to even be traveling with the child all the way here. And the urgency that I think he even had stated that they have - I don?t know if Lavin or these doctors. I didn?t have any communication with them but if one of them? 5 an oncologist I think it?s like you have an active oncologist there. You know. if you?re going back home in a week maybe you cut this trip short type of thing and get back there and get what you need. DET. EVAN :But - but you - I - I just want to remind - just stick - stick to the stuff that EVAN: personally know what was said and what wasn?t said. DET. and I?m - I?m not looking for a particular answer. not here. DET. just - it?s just important for me to understand the information he had that was given from here. DET. know what they - those doctors told him. DET. just wondering if anyone here in Arizona told him these things. I mean from the care provision side I don?t think that would ever come from either one of us or anybody in the room that day. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Oregody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. in - in my email here which is what Evan has. run. it was also discussed the patient would not meet medical criteria for an emergent admission to - to perform both a spinal tap and bone marrow testing. And that at this time these procedures would need to be done in the outpatient setting. Um. Michael explained the ?nancial process the parents would need to complete to assess if discounted medical services could be provided or if some charity care could be provided. And that?s when he stated that he was self employed. Um. . . DET. never paid taxes? never paid taxes. yes. DET. CAROLzRichard seemed to understand with his tight timeline and short stay in Arizona that it might be best to go back home and continue the medical testing and treatment. DET. he tell you he was go - they were going to return to Maine and get treatment? He - he told us that they were. yes. returning to Maine. Because we speci?cally asked that. run. because somewhere in the emails and letters from the other physicians the - it sound - it was like he told different people different things. DET. person he said he was going to. um. come out here for holistic - holistic treatment. And I think that was the ophthalmologist that did the post-op. And I have that ophthahnologist name. And he?s the one that wrote a letter to Dr. Eshun. um. saying that you know. this child was going to be coming here. Um. and then he told us that of course he was only here for a week for the wedding. So there - lot of con?icting stories. DET. that was on the 4th? was on the 4th when we spoke with him. Because their appointment was that afternoon at 2:30 and we needed to intervene to ?nd out what was. you know. if he mlderstood. you know. that he wasn?t going to just - he thought he would just walk in. see the doctor. get the tests. get the results. DET. he given an a- so. um. staging could?ve taken how long? Staging - was he told how long staging could take or not? was told it would probably be a two to three week process. DET. But then he was also told that hey once a doctor sees you. um. they get involved in the staging - they?re gonna get involved in the treatment. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON, CAROLzCorrect. DET. is an ongoing thing. DET. he was told staging speci?cally would have lasted two to three weeks. process of seeing the doctor. having the biopsy. getting the results of the staging. yes would take two to three weeks. DET. Um. and this is a two part question but number one is this an option and number two if it is an option was - was he advised of this. Say the - say he wanted to go back to Maine. I don?t know if this ever came up - he wanted to go back to Maine. Was he ever told well the staging will be two to three weeks. Um. maybe after the staging we could turn over treatment back to Maine but the staging itself is for sure gomla take two to three weeks. DET. PAXSON2N0. okay. So position is hey we?re gonna - we would be happy to help and please I don?t wanna put words in your mouth but correct me if I?m wrong - we?ll be happy to help you. um. even if you don?t have insurance. But we?re gorma need you to provide some documentation so that we can justify helping you without insurance and look for another method of - of ?nancial assistance. it was - it was more ?appropriate care based time needed? to provide the appropriate care for them. DET. MICHAEL2Financials were - DET. would?ve worked that out? far back burner. Yeah. I DET. he called and said - had he called and said this is my situation. we are out here. Um. we?ve been told you?ll - you?ll help us. You - you would?ve MICHAEL2Absolutely. DET. - you would?ve ?gured out fmancially how to help this family. Min-hm. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. MICHAELzAbsolutely. Matter of fact (inaudible). DET. but the fact that he was told hey this is - this is a process. It?s not a one day shot. mn. and he said we?re going back to Maine that?s DET. things tumed. EVAN :Families do have to comply with the ?nancial assistance process. DET. We didn?t even get to that part MICHAEL2N0. EVAN :We never reached that part it sounds like. He said I gotta week which might?ve been three days left ill the week. four days left in the week but it was a week. And but I?m expecting to come on - through March 4th. have everything I need. have the results back and it all packaged up within a two hour window and then I move on with - with my life as (inaudible). EVAN :Is that what he said to you or is that was his expectation and he said everything - he was under the impression of was all these things with results were gonna be produced day ofdon?t think he understood that that wouldn?t happen. And - DET. you guys explained to to him? CAROLzCorrect. DET. he ever mention. um. altemative care? - I think we need to ask Marcia because she seems. um. she mentioned the name of an alternative care facility. And honestly I don?t remember if that was something she came up with or he said things that led her to believe that that?s where they were going. And I?m sorry I - I can?t say for sure yes or no one way or the other. DET. I don?t recall him going out of his way to mention that to us. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you two don?t - yeah you two don?t recall him mentioning anything about alternative care. So how did the phone call end that day? MICHAELzBasically it ended with us. you know wishing him you know. returning when he returns to Maine and. you know. best of luck as far as those care provision follow ups with their existing doctors there. DET. when you got off the phone with him what was your understanding of what he was gomla do for his child? MICHAELzBasically we were hoping that he was gonna take. you know. our. you know. the - the information we gave him and go with such. DET. when did you expect he would be back in Maine based on his conversation with you? What - what - what did he lead you to believe as far as how long he was going to be in Arizona? know. there wasn?t really any sense of urgency either way I don?t think. it was just - I mean the word "a week". How long are you gonna be here? About "a week" he said. DET. a week. here for a wedding and we just. you know. we wanna have this - this tumor staged. we?re - while were basically here at this appointment. DET. Okay. Did you have - so that was the 4th. Did you have any more contact with. um. Robert Maynard or anyone from this family after the 4th? DET. you have any contact with any of the Maine doctors after March 4th? I - I - think - I?m gonna have to look back through my emails and that - yes we may have. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. at some point they found out DET. the Maynard?s didn?t show up DET. their appointment DET. PAXSON: what happened? And I have to look back through my emails. DET. Okay. I would say I?m - I?m sure. yes. DET. CAROL: know. that we were in touch. We - Marcia and I even spoke with one of the physicians and I have to look back through my records. And. you know. I mean they - he was extremely upset that this family had left. And. you DET. that - do you know if that was Dr. Lavin? It was a male doctor? DET. Lavin or Dr. Grabowski? know. I don?t know. DET. - I have to look back through my notes. DET. know it wasn?t a female but he was very nice. DET. And so then that - was that the last contact then. Carol. that you had with anyone related to this case? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. - yes I believe so. I think until Evan called me. DET. I contacted you? afternoon - yes. EVAN :Back in March. March. EVAN :Right. DET. DET. Okay. trying to think. you know. honestly I don?t know if we heard that she had - she had died or not. Mmm. think it was we had - I met with Evan and that was the last - the - okay after that DET. PAXSOszrobably when I met with Evan. EVAN think - yeah I think you - you told DET. I met with Evan after. you know. once the investigation started. Yeah. I think that? 5 probably - probably when it was because we DET. Um. do you have any. um. emails. notes. documents that you would like to include with our investigation that you think would help paint a good picture of what happened or do you think this summarizes? MICHAEL21 think it does. Did I give you the emails that I had? EVAN think anything that I have is just emails that you wrote - summarizing issues - yeah - yeah. DET. you wanna review them and just see if there? 5 anything different than what we talked about here today? EVAN :Yeah by all means. Here take these. look at them. see if anything refreshes your memory here. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. - and I have more so I?d like to look back. DET. go ahead and look at your notes. DET. if there?s anything that you think. you know. we didn?t talk about or is con?icting with what we spoke about today. well here it is right in front of me. I?m looking through this one. Marcia and I were just involved in a conference call with Dr. Lavin. the ophthalmologist in Maine who was the starting physician with He stated he was told by the family that they were going to visit friends and then head to Arizona for holistic treatment at a clinic by the time - by the name of Evista. Well there we go. DET. CAROLzEvista EVAN :And what email - from whom and to whom is this email? is my email to Marcia. Michael. Rhonda Willis. um. the manger of the social workers. Tamara Johnson who I think is the director. EVAN :Tamara Johnson is our Vice President of Risk Management and Quality. EVAN :She?s part of this o?ice. Julia Kyle. EVAN :Who?s also Risk Management. then Dr. Eshun is also included. EVAN :Yeah Rhonda EVAN think is the - she?s the Manager for Social Work. DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. EVAN :Anytime there?s an unusual case particularly if it? DET. EVAN you know. child DET. EVAN instinct is to notify legal and risk management DET. of course. EVAN just to make sure that we can look into and then ?nd out if we had any prior contact with the child. DET. Of course. Okay. Dr. Lavin has ?led a case with DHS for neglect in 5 case. Dr. Lavin is afraid that the family will ?ee to Mexico. He also told us that the family would not provide accurate addresses. provide consent. or sign any paperwork. He also said the parents dearly love their child but they are afraid of modem medicine and don't trust the goverlmient. DET. this was on what day. Carol? 6th. DET. 6th. CAROLzTuesday the 6th. So DET. this is your conversation is after. yeah. DET. last spoke to Robert two days after. I guess so. I?m glad it?s in writing DET. EVAN :That? 5 why we have contemporaneous notes is so we can remember later what we did. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON, and I CAROLzMarcia and I explained that Mr. Maynard told us that the famin was here for a wedding and planning on returning to Maine in a week. We also reiterated the same information that is written below which is the email I read and you?re welcome to have this. I think Evan has it. And Dr. Lavin was very surprised as this was a different story than was told to him by Mr. Maynard which was that PCH would not see because of ?nances. Dr. Latin stated that the minute the family gets off the plane in Maine they will start the tests and treatment. He said that this child needs treatment now. Dr. Lavin was extremely upset and really wants this child to return to Maine for treatment. He was very grateful and appreciative of our sharing the content of our conference call with Mr. Maynard and plans to call him right away today. DET. and what?s the email that you referred to? Just - can I take that? DET. one right down here? one. DET. this is the one I was reading. DET. I guess I should?ve read what was on top. DET. I have copies of this? EVAN :Let me take a look at DET. EVAN to make sure what?s in it. DET. Go ahead. EVAN :You know. anything that goes to Risk Management is potentially privileged. DET. Perfect. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. EVAN :But I?m not copied on this and so nobody on here?s an attorney. This is all just factual. of the notes at which we kind of reiterated in conversation EVAN :This is - I can make you a copy of this. DET. you Evan. - the beginning of the conversation to the body of the conversation is actually all in this email from Marcia kind of quantifying our conference call. the outcome of it. the verbiage of it for the most part. DET. that the same email that he?s copying right now? MICHAEL2N0 this is - this is the top portion. I think with the one that you had ?cause you have DET. yeah this is - yeah. is more based on us like the Fryberger was Mu- Mukai - Mukai? DET. Mukai. MICHAEL21 - that wasn?t - I wasn?t privileged to any of that. I wouldn?t have been involved in that. DET. that part - that body has the DET. Evan what about this email? Do you have an issue with that? Thank you. the one that kind of reiterates what we were just saying about what occurred in the phone call. See this is - yeah. This EVAN think this is actually contained DET. perfect. EVAN :So you have that. what happened was this was our conversation with Mr. Maynard. And then the next day I - I re- I?m remembering now. I?m sorry. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. okay. gotta dig it out here. EVAN :Oh good. then I did this just brief synopsis. I think because we spoke with Dr. Lavin then. DET. On (inaudible) wanted - wanted to make DET. the 5th. the 5th. yes. DET. the 5th. So the day after. Okay. Perfect. That?ll - that?ll summarize then how the conference call went which is important. Okay thank you. Um. anything else that you think is important for us to know. um. regarding this family or this case? So you never met him face to face? DET. never met the child? DET. doctor at PCH ever saw the child? MICHAEL2N0. EVAN :As far as you know the child was not on our DET. MICHAEL2N0. not at all. The - the - we called. We had our conference call with him. That call ended and then. you know. myself and I?m sure everyone else we went on to our daily as we always do and then the follow up from Evan when he called and kind of gave us an update on that panicular patient. EVAN was pleased to hear all of that too because the concern of course was that the child was actually this ill. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. EVAN :Would - would we - if we had seen the child might somebody here have recognized the gravity of the child? 5 condition. DET. EVAN :The child - had the child ever presented to DET. Yeah. EVAN might?ve looked at the child said wow this kid is really sick DET. EVAN :Let? 5 get this child to the emergency department and have them examined. DET. think that very well may - may have happened. EVAN :Could have happened. DET. EVAN :But I suspect DET. kind of what happened with all the doctors back east as soon as they saw the child it?s my understanding they ran into some similar hurdles with the family regarding registration. paperwork etcetera. And a lot of that was just skipped DET. they had the luxury of actually seeing the little girl when she was brought in. EVAN :Right. - and we have - I mean being our specialty in children. DET. Absolutely. can - I can tell you on two hands how common that is for us DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) prsoN. MICHAEL: a patient presents and we say you know what? Go. EVAN :You?re too sick to be in clinic. You need to be in the emergency department right now. Go. DET. work everything out after. DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely. EVAN :Once that happens - yeah I mean well and we - number one it? - it? 5 what we do. DET. EVAN :And number two we have - even if it? not what we did we?d have EMTALA obligations to - to make sure that we DET. EVAN stabilize anybody who was that sick. CAROL:Correct. DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely. EVAN :And our. um. you know. once they?re in the emergency department when you have families who are attempting to. you know. step away - leave against medical advice for the child we have some leverage at that point to contact local law DET. PAXSON2CPS. EVAN CPS and - and take some steps to protect the child. DET. EVAN DET. I?m certain that probably would?ve happened but we just didn?t get that far. EVAN :Yeah. No opportunity for us to intervene. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 26 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 27 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:31:59 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. is there anything else from anyone? DET. Let?s go ahead and end the interview. It?s 3:43 pm. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH SHELLY HEINLEY ON 3-21-13 at the Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Shelly Heinley Det. Keith Swanson #628 DET. date is Thursday. March 21. 2013. It?s approximately 5:22 in the evening and this is going to be. um. a statement from Shelly Heinley. Shelly go ahead and state your full name and your date of birth for me. please. D. Heinley. Um. my birthdate is DET. Um. and what do you do here - is this referred to as a clinic? A practice? I don?t wanna use the wrong word. guess it?s a clinic. It?s a practice. It?s that - both of them. DET. All right. At the DET. PAXSONzwhat?s your role here? role is. um. patient liaison DET. also nutritionist. DET. Wow. Bet you?re healthy. try to be. DET. you eat really healthy? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. Um. okay so patient liaison. Um. were you working on the 13th? I was. DET. so let?s talk about the 13th - well let?s talk about ?rst of all. um. if you?re the patient liaison. did you have contact with the Maynards prior to the 13th? I did. DET. me about that. I?d gotten an email ?rst from I believe it was Mr. Maynard?s father-in-law - I?m not sure. But. DET. was his name if you recall. don?t recall. DET. you still have the email? DET. Um. anyway he was asking if DET. your email address? um. DET. SHELLY: .. DET. one - all runs together? DET. PAXSON 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® ® Arson Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 SHELLY Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Supplement Page: 3 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J . DET. PAXSON:.. - that`s a big one. SHELLY:Yeah. DET. PAXSON . SHELLY:Mm-hm. DET. PAXSON:And he sent you an email approximately when? D- do you know if it was the father-in-law or... SHELLY:It was a grandpa. DET. PAXSON:It was grandpa and you got an email? SHELLY:Yeah and he was concerned with his granddaughter and they were, um, in search of, um, somebody who had answers for, um, her eye - retina-whatever-blastoma. DET. PAXSON:Retinoblastoma? SHELLY:Yeah. Whatever it`s called. And, um... DET. PAXSON:About when was that? When did you get the email? SHELLY:It was about two - maybe three weeks ago. DET. PAXSON:Okay. SHELLY:Maybe... DET. PAXSON:And what did the email say? SHELLY:It just basically was wanting to know if we, um, would, you know, see the - or if - if we had any information would we talk or see, um, his son or son-in-law or somebody. It was just to make - a way to contact. DET. PAXSON:Did he tell you the age of his granddaughter? SHELLY:Um, it may have I can`t remember but it may have. DET. PAXSON:Okay. Do you see patients here that are under the age of two? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. sometimes. I mean as long as they?re walking and talking DET. know. are up and around. We don?t see baby babies but we DET. don?t see infants see toddlers. DET. so maybe over the age of 12 months or so? DET. Ever see anybody under the age of 12 months? DET. So she?s 18 months so. um. so. um. he inquires about information. DET. what do you respond back? I talked to Dr. Grout. I think that was the next course of action was to ask her if she. you know. I didn?t know what the condition was but would she - ?cause I think I wanted to schedule a - I always try to schedule a free 15 minute consultation so DET. what? free 15 minute consultation. DET. okay. that they can talk and tell her. you know. ?cause I'm not a doctor DET. PAXSON2D0 they do that over the phone or do they do that here? It?s a telephone consult. DET. the doctor? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. call in here and talk to the doctor. DET. Okay. And it?s a free 15 minute consult? Just to kind of DET. you were gonna schedule that so you went to Dr. Grout? I went to Dr. Grout and I said do you wanna talk to him about this? She said - she said sure I?ll talk to him. DET. was she familiar with that type of disease? DET. And. um. so I scheduled it and I guess he talked to her. And DET. you remember when it was scheduled for? right off the top of my head. DET. PAXSON2D0 you have notes? Do you have an o?ice where any of this is kept DET. Maybe we can go there after. um. we get done talking. DET. if you have this email or if you have notes from this conversation don?t have notes. I don?t - I mean I don?t usually do notes. I just schedule. DET. DET. if somebody?s coming to you or - or they send you an email do you just print out the email and go talk to her or do you just remember it and go talk to her? I just kind of Skype her or may - I may just in passing say. you know. well what do we do? Do we - can you talk to 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 him? DET. sometimes she can talk. Sometimes she says. you know no it? not something that. you know. I want to do. DET. did she talk to him right away that day or was that something you had to schedule? no I had to schedule. QOkay. because it. you know. it - I had to schedule the ?rst available and she has - usually she?s booked up. DET. All right. So she says yeah I can talk to him. You schedule it. DET. do you reply back to him? he?s usually. DET. mean did you reply back to him say hey this is when you need to call in? I. he. I mean. I didn?t reply back - he actually called and asked me if I could schedule it after I told him that we could do that. DET. um. he? 5 called me I believe and scheduled. And I scheduled a free 15 minute consult. DET. And what as he. 11111. what kind of treatment was he seeking? think he just wanted to see. um. you know. a lot of it I didn?t understand because I don?t - I mean I?m nutrition. DET. right. don?t get into the. um. diseases. But. um. I think he was interested in getting some kind of adxice to - as to what to do with her condition. you know. what was the next step or something. DET. All right. Um. and then. um. so you schedule it and then what - what? 5 the next thing that happens with this family? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. and then. um. I?m sure usually what happens after the. um. call it comes back time for them to come in. DET. And did that happen this time? sure it probably did ?cause they came in. DET. PAXSON2D0 you have any recollection of that happening? really. I mean I see - hundreds of people that I schedule every day. DET. this is an l8-month-old child. I can?t imagine I don?t see it. DET. just know the - the names. DET. okay. The names. I don?t see them at all. DET. names. Do you recognize the name yeah. DET. knew the - knew the name but I mean as far as when I did it I have no clue. DET. All right. Um. Frank is back there. Go through those doors and hang a right. DET. SWAN SON:Where?s Bernie? DET. there too. DET. you ma?am. DET. okay. So what happens next? What? 5 your next interaction with this family? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. I had no real interaction with the family at all. DET. you see them when they came here on the 13th? actually didn?t ?cause I?m parked way back there. DET. I didn?t get to see her. DET. So you never met them? everybody said she was really cute. No. DET. DET. PAXSON:Everybody said she was cute? everybody said she was cute but. um. I never met them. But. um. I think the next interaction I heard that - next thing I heard was - they called Dr. Grout. And I had to leave early the day of the - we were in a medical meeting and I have horses - my husband?s out of town so I had to leave early to get to feed the horses. DET. I left before anything happened. DET. you - but you heard that they were coming back? heard a baby crying and about that time I had to duck out. I could hear from the cell phone the baby crying. That?s all. DET. So you were in a meeting with who? Grout - a medical meeting. DET. medical meeting with Dr. Grout. And she gets a phone call? DET. her cell phone? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. And do you - what - approximately what time? If you know what time you were leaving approximately what time would this be? was late - we were late with our medical meeting and I was late getting out of there so I would say - I don?t know. It was after 5:00 - probably between 5:00 and 5:30. DET. You're in a meeting with her. She gets a phone call on her cell phone and you hear a baby crying. was other people in the room so I just could DET. else was in the room? Stephanie and I don?t know who else to tell you the truth. Stephanie and - I don?t know if everybody come up. DET. we have so many meetings I don?t know. I know Stephanie was there. DET. she?s tal- she?s talking on the phone she was in the middle and she said okay and that?s what I heard and then I thought. you know. this might be a long call. I?m gonna get out of here. DET. so you heard a you heard 3 ba just heard what I thought was a baby cry. I don?t know that it was but it sounded like it. DET. the phone?s not up to your ear. It?s something you heard when she?s got the phone up to her ear? DET. sometimes DET. can overhear somebody?s phone conversation? DET. you heard what you believe to be a baby crying? You?re like. whoa I?m - I?m ducking out? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. I just wanted to get out because I knew DET. have horses. was an DET. SHELLY: I could leave. DET. was - she knew I had to leave. DET. you left. DET. so you weren?t here when they came back? Um. and so what? 5 the next thing - 110w do you ?nd out about what happened? I ?nd out. um. was it the next day? I think the next day she told DET. Grout did? Grout did in a meeting. DET. what?d she tell you? had passed. you know. and that. um. the - I guess they performed CPR and she had called and they?d come in and formed - helped her perform CPR on the baby. DET. Um. so what?s your understanding or - or I mean she?s 18 months old. DET. aren?t supposed to die at 18 months old so what?s your understanding of what happened? after Dr. Grout had given me. you know. what the condition was I kind of looked it up on the intemet and I know it comes with - from what I read about it a lot of complications. So I just 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSONzRetinoblastoma? DET. must?ve come with complications DET. so you think it?s from that? But nobody said anything. don?t - nobody said anything. I DET. just know that that? 5 What she came in with. and. DET. anybody talked about any type of treatment she received here that day? not really. DET. you familiar with. uh. Laetrile? familiar with it. yeah. DET. Anybody talk about the baby receiving Laetrile that day? DET. said anything about that? said anything that I heard. DET. and you haven?t heard anything about any type of treatment that she received that day. No. DET. Um. do you have any questions for me? DET. I think we?re done. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. DV Child Abuse Arson Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Supplement Page: 12 Supplement Information Added By: PAXSON, Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:34 DET. you for your time. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Case Number: 13-05991? Jk 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30113, Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Case Number: 13-05991 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH STEVEN SWERDFEGER ON 3-21-13 at the Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Steven Swerdfeger Det. Frank Gn'?itts #867 DET. date is March 21 - Thursday. March 21. 2013. It?s approximately 4:00 pm. I?m at the . And this is going to be a. um. interview with Steven? DET. how do you s- 110W do you pronounce your last name? Swerdfeger. S-W-E-R-D-F-E-G-E-R. DET. is it with a V-E-N or a V. DET. yeah. DET. Steven. your date of birth? DET. - okay. So we?re just getting started. So. DET. degree is in creative writing. at 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. My DET. have a My Yes. and. uh. I used to teach college. And. uh. for my third novel I was. uh. writing about DET. STEVEN: part of it. And so I - Martha and I both went and got trained in that area. And. uh. because I had to write from both sides. I never plam1ed to practice. But a couple of years later. our youngest daughters asked me to work with a friend who was very allergic to cats. And we. uh. went to the root cause. And he emerged. uh. we found out the next day - permanent remission. DET. know. I - it got me hooked. I couldn?t believe it. DET. So what did you DET. get - well we 1- we went back to the root cause. DET. And w- what? 5 the root cause? for him it was a past life. DET. uh. and we heard from him recently. This is. I mean. many years later - still ?ne completely free of that all- completely free of - of that allergy. So when I saw that. uh. even though I know (unintelligible) from our training and stuff. uh. that got me hooked. DET. - and I went and got trained by some of the best people. DET. let?s go back to what did you do for him. I?m trying to okay. Well - well - well. okay. What we did. um. well we went to. um. well ?nd out that it was a past life connection. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. how do you ?nd out? Just talking to him? - no - no. He went into hypnosis. And DET. So you hypnotized him and STEVEN: I had him go down a hallway with many doors. I didn?t tell him what the doors were. I had written out on a scr- a sort of piece of paper shortly before we worked. um. I put "childhood" for example for the ?rst door. And DET. he said. "I'm there." And I said. "Well go ahead. Describe the door and go through it." He said. "It?s not a door." He said. "It?s a projectionist booth window and I?m crawling back through it to the movie theatre where I spent all of my time as a DET. STEVEN: Califomia. DET. okay. STEVENzPerfect connection. DET. STEVEN2As was - was the second one and the - the - I think the fourth door I had written "Root cause to the allergy." He started DET. He didn?t want to go in. DET. I said. "Well you?ll be safe no matter what happens." DET. - don?t worry." So he went in and he said. "It?s thousands of years ago. I?m about 10 years old and I?m in Africa. And I?m on my ?rst zebra hunt with my - my tribe but I?ve been separated. They?re several miles a- away." 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. a lioness that chased him DET. killed him. And he was trembling the whole time. And. DET. I had him go to the light between lifetimes and come back. And. 1111. watch it happen to desensitize him. That?s one of the techniques. DET. then. uh. he said "My uncle - many miles away he up and sees me." And I. y- you know. because so called primitive people can see other realms and so forth. And so I said. "Well go ahead and communicate." And - and in his mind he did. DET. had a sense that we were ?nished. And I said. "Are we done?" He said. "Yes." DET. he went back to the hallway. And I had written before - before our time together. I had written "Allergy check." DET. so went down and found - found the ?fth door. And I said. uh. "Go through it." And I said. "You're walking down a path and you turn the comer. And. uh. there?s an obstacle. What is it?" He says. "The lion." DET. said. "Can you walk by the lion?" He said. "Yeah. I?m walking right by the lion." DET. I felt we had done something but I wasn?t DET. STEVEN: . . .what. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. we didn?t know until the next day that it was gone. And so I?m convinced that when he was able to talk to his uncle that the shame he had born for fear that his tribe had thought him a coward at that special time of his (unintelligible) that the truth came out and that melted the imbalance i- the - that - the - that created the allergy. DET. DET. he was no longer allergic to cats. It was a complete -- and so that got me hooked. DET. when was this? dear. Um. ?98 maybe. DET. Uh. was ?99. DET. and were you here in Arizona or were We had - we had moved here. We were here in DET. ?97. Yeah. But maybe it was - ?99 I think maybe. DET. that - maybe 2000. DET. but some time ago. And - and so I went and got trained by some of the best people in the country because I found I had DET. gift. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. STEVEN: gift for it. You DET. - mm-hm. DET. how did you go from creative writing to hypnosis? my undergrad degree from State University of New York was in. uh. American Lit. I have an MA. from Princeton. uh. Theological Seminary. DET. DET. - and where was your undergrad from? Oswego State in. uh. upstate New York. DET. DET. sorry. Spell that for me. STEVEN2011 - oh. Um. DET. STEVEN20-S-W-E-G-O State DET. Oswego. New York. DET. Sony. Iwasn?t familiar with it. no - no. Yeah. DET. That? where you got your undergrad. STEVEN2Undergrad - American Lit major. liberal arts. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - okay. I have a Master of Arts degree from Princeton Theological DET. STEVEN: religious education. DET. took 39 hours in school also at Oswego. I was DET. up there. Graduate hours in school but I found out I - it fmally dawned on me that the state of. uh. that art at that time was. uh. and still is. uh. DET. measuring by numbers and thatpeople are more than that. And DET. - I didn?t plusue that. And um. then the other - the creative writing DET. you got your. uh. okay. And your in creative writing. DET. where did you get that at? was from the Union Institute and University out of Cincinnati. Ohio. So DET. went and got more training and b- became a member of the National Guild of Hypnotists which is the largest and oldest organization of its kind in the world. DET. uh. and then there?s continuing ed- and all of that. That?s 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 DET. STEVEN: really - DET. is that what you do DET. - at this DET. you do hypnosis? Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Supplement Information Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Page: 8 Added By: PAXSON. DET. for what kinds of - what - What kind of things do people come here for - for hypnosis? could be - it could be many things like I recently had someone who was afraid of ?ying. DET. uh. and now he?s ?ying with great - great. um. zeal. So DET. Like on airplanes? STEVENzAilplanes. yeah. DET. DET. right. So DET. DET. Jk 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. A lot - some people come and they have. um. well for example I worked with someone actually on the weekend who had. 1111. he said. never ?nish anything." He wanted to ?nd out what it - what - so we went back. And it tlu?ned out he was. uh. 12 years old and his mother was very critical of him all the time and the whole family. She was a very critical person. And at that point in his life. he just decided. "Why bother? No matter what I do. it will be criticized." And he had forgotten all about that meaning. An- but it served - it just 5- it offered him a whole new DET. STEVEN: . . .to understand. . . DET. STEVEN: And I think freedom from that DET. STEVEN: . . .pattem. DET. you?ve been. um. you?ve been doing this since roughly I - I DET. hypnosis stu??. probably that or maybe more like 2000. And I DET. PAXSON22000. then I had a home office for a while but I didn?t come here tuitil we. uh. until 2007. DET. DET. So for the last maybe 13 DET. then you came here within the last say 6 years or so? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. how long have you and Martha been married? it?ll be 31 years in - on May 2nd. DET. congratulations. you. And we?re also hoping that?s the of?cial due date for our ?rst grandchild. DET. very nice. Okay. How many children do you have? we have. uh. DET. STEVEN: DET. So. um. I looked at her - her background is on the intemet. DET. I was looking at that. DET. it looks like she?s been a doctor forever. STEVENzForever. DET. And she?s got emergency was - for 25 years. uh. worked - emergency physician. DET. And. um. am I pronouncing this right -- allopathic? right. Allo- the - that?s the DET. PAXSONzAllopathic. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. STEVEN: allopathic medicine. DET. And then DET. - I - there was a video clip there that I watched. And. she described why she came here? DET. DET. I thought her daughter?s back. oldest daughter. DET. is a veterinarian DET. STEVEN: Rochester. New York. DET. DET. having back DET. nobody was getting any help. And DET. went in for. 11111. was it a massage or um. a STEVEN2N0. there?s - I forget what it was. But she - Martha had heard of someone who had helped someone she 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. the same problem. And she referred Monica and Monica did very well. DET. so she began to let patients know f- and the physicians - they d- they didn?t have that - they weren?t doing that. DET. so they couldn?t help. So then she. uh. she was told. "Well you can?t do that." And she just said. can?t do that. DET. DET. so at what point did she. um. make the complete switch - what year would you say? never did make a DET. okay. She?s still - she?s still - we do allopathic stuff here too. DET. Does DET. anywhere else other than here? DET. DET. just here? Everyday she?s here? 5 here. DET. doesn?t go in the emergency rooms anymore? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. no - no - no. DET. - but. you know. she founded this centerallopathic and what? 5 called homeopathic or altemative. DET. STEVENzBecause she - she?s. um. very practical. um. Capricorn - very practical. She wants to use everything that might help. DET. PAXSONzEverything that?s available. everything that might help. DET. DET. So. um. and she?s a licensed physician in Arizona. DET. All right. So. um. and you guys came in here in 2007. DET. STEVENzNinteen-nin- oh. this building. DET. mean this building in 2007. actually. no. A different building. uh. we moved into this building. um. last year I think. DET. it?s beautiful. I was going to say yeah. We were two miles south. DET. really kept it up. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. we - this had actually been vacant for a couple of years. DET. And she?s the director. She founded DET. practice and now she works solely here. She?s not in the emergency rooms anymore? STEVEN2N0 - no - 110. DET. STEVEN: - that?s been long gone. DET. what kind of. um. allopathic treatments are conducted here? DET. for the interruption. DET. that?s okay. Go ahead. you get what you needed DET. yeah. What I want to do is I?m just going to put a body downstairs on this server t- until -- one of our bodies not your DET. until the IT guy gets here. And DET. GRIFFITTS: you show me or have somebody show me where Dr. Grout? 5 of?ce is and the terminal that she would typically use? Um. yeah. I can tell you if y- I think she's with a patient now but just so you 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. um. the ?rst ?oor on this side of the building. DET. it?s the second of?ce. DET. she has her name on her door? DET. she with a patient in her of?ce? I think she - she was scheduled to have someone. Now whether she has someone right now I - I looked at the schedule. I think she might have someone DET. STEVEN: where her of?ce is. DET. DET. she alerted to us being here? Do we know? don?t think DET. STEVEN: I don?t know. DET. didn?t tell her. DET. DET. with Ray and yeah. I DET. we really want to kind of DET. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. her DET. PAXSONzAbsolutely. DET. the DET. DET. her from that temlinal until we get in DET. ?ne. 511- she will certainly fully lulderstand that. DET. - but again. I don?t want to disrupt the DET. think by 4:30 that will DET. DET. downstairs probably? don?t know. I hope so. DET. right. DET. So what type of allopathic treatments are conducted here? I would rather defer to Martha for DET. - okay. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. I?m - I?m DET. that?s fme. Yeah. You see. I?m - I?m DET. know what? trained in - I DET. is a great opportunity DET. I ask you a DET. don?t know the answer DET. 5 what I want you to tell me. "Please. I don?t know the answer. That would be better if Martha answered that." yeah. I?m - I?m not medically trained. DET. fact. uh. the protocol i- is if there?s an emergency I?m to remain here and meditate for the person. Keep Steven out of it. DET. 011. okay. All right. So let - well let?s talk about the emergency that happened last Wednesday. DET. were you? was at home. DET. were at home. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 17 for any questions regarding this material, SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Case Number: 13-059913 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) PAXSON. had taken DET. oldest - our youngest daughter had had a seizure a couple of weeks ago. DET. had a seizure? She - she?s - she has a low threshold for seizures. DET. she hadn?t had one for about three years. DET. she had one last Wednesday? - no - no - no. DET. was. uh. like at - two weeks - two weeks DET. weeks prior? week - maybe three weeks ago. DET. she?s - she?s doing well now. DET. now I?m driving her. um. you know. because she can?t drive. She works here. And. uh. I DET. okay. So she had the seizure. She works here. You had taken her home. What time did you leave. - that was on that particular day. DET. uh - uh. but we were leaving when the family came inactually come back to meet the parents and the - 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 18 for any questions regarding this material, SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera Agency: SPD Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Case Number: 13-05991 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) 2 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) PAXSON, and DET. Just so I have a Right - right. DET. PAXSON: . . .clear DET. go to Wednesday the 13th. DET. you work in this building on Wednesday the 13th? - I was here. DET. time did you am've? STEVENzProbably about 6 o?clock. DET. the morning? DET. what time did you leave? just as the parents and the baby were coming in. We said hello to them. DET. ?rst time or the second time? only time I ever met them. DET. mean the ?rst .. DET. they arrived or the second time that they arrived? It? 5 my understanding that they were here twice that day. would be the second time. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - it would be in the DET. STEVEN: . . .I believe. Yeah. DET. what - what time roughly? think probably DET. 3:30 or 4:00 around there. DET. or 4:00? Okay. DET. DET. had they been here earlier that day? didn?t see them but. DET. but ifyou say so. DET. STEVEN: know. you DET. Scratch what I said. DET. - so you?re thinking you saw them - you didn?t see them prior - you were here at 6:00 in the moming. You didn?t see these people. um. until 3:30 or 4:00 that afternoon as they?re walking in? 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. I?m usually up here. DET. DET. describe this family so we?re talking about the same family. DET. you know them by name? were introduced. Um. you DET. day? - that day. I hadn?t - I hadn?t met them before. DET. W'ho introduced them to you? actually I introduced myself DET. STEVEN: were talking to people at the front desk. DET. um. and Martha came out to - to - to meet them. DET. And do you - do you recall their names? was the childfor all that?s happened. no I don?t remember the names of the parents. DET. okay. So - so was the child? DET. PAXSON:Describe the - the. um. were - was she with one parent. two parents? - both. 03/16/2016 12:08 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. parents. Yeah. DET. describe them to me. he was very - the gentleman was very tall. Um. and. uh. and his wife was - I think brown - brown hair and somewhat shorter. And. uh. she was holding the baby. And the baby looked as if it had just woken - woken up. DET. DET. is the baby talking or. - she - she looked as if she was. um. still sleepy. DET. DET. DET. right. Um. and this is about 3:30 or 4:00. STEVEN2Whenever we left. Yeah. DET. just introduced them - your- yourself to the - to them? - yeah. we were - Sarah and I were on our - our d- my DET. and your husband - or you and your DET. on the way out? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. then your wife came out to greet them? DET. um. what happens next? What do you hear next or 110w do you ?nd out about what happened? Y- so you go - oh. DET. - do you stay home? - yeah. no. Yeah. I went home with Sarah and stayed home. DET. And then what happens? let?s see. I f01md out when. um. Jen. the nurse called. DET. STEVENzBecause DET. PAXSON: . . .called you? to let me know what was going on because we were expecting Martha to come home. DET. then she called to say that this had happened. DET. about what time did you receive a call from Jen? Did she call your cellphone? did. DET. so I could actually look back at that. DET. What?s your cellphone number. Steven? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 23 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 24 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. uh. DET. STEVEN2. DET. DET. I - I?m not sure I can access that. DET. STEVEN: data from here. DET. Yes. you can. - yeah. DET. be the - it?s the 13th of March. Then I can be accurate. DET. PAXSONzlhat?d be great. oh. wait. 6:52 pm. DET. PAXSON2Is when you received a DET. from Jen? yeah. But on Martha?s - apparently on Martha?s cellphone. Ended. um. it was 20 seconds long. DET. what did she tell you? - that there was. um. there were - that. uh. that - let?s see. Uh. let me think. That the. um. that - that uh. was - 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 25 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. was breathing slowly and they were very concemed. And that. 1111. that she just wanted to alert me to that and that they were I think thinking of calling 911. DET. they already called 911 or they were going to? DET. she say? and I - maybe they had already. I don?t know. DET. DET. she said. breathing very slowly and we?re very concerned." something along DET. lines? was - yes. if DET. STEVEN: .. recall correctly. DET. And what is Martha? 5 cellphone number? DET. DET. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 25 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 26 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. that?s the call - that?s the number that Jen called you on? DET. actually let me just check the other - the other line. DET. she have more than one cellphone? DET. that was Martha?s cell- cellphone. DET. Did she say what Martha was doing when she called 110. She - she didn?t. DET. So what did you do then. Steven? STEVEN2I said that. uh. to let us know if we could help. DET. So you remained at home? DET. DET. then what? 5 the next thing w- that DET. PAXSON: this situation that you?re aware of? STEVEN: called. DET. called. What - and when did Ray call you? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 26 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Supplement Page: 27 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J STEVEN:Let me - let`s see. Let me just look at this. Okay. Um, he called me - oh, no. I called - I think I called him right away to let him know. DET. PAXSON:Okay. So you called Ray? STEVEN:Yes. DET. PAXSON:Okay. STEVEN:Let me just - I want to make sure this is accurate. DET. PAXSON:Okay. Thank you. STEVEN:Let me just - yeah. DET. PAXSON:Yeah. Just take your time. STEVEN:Let me, uh, because I`m not - this is, um, okay. Okay. No. He - he called me because I think - it`s - it`s black when it - it comes in, right? On the phone it - it`s - it - it - yes, it`s incoming calls. DET. PAXSON:Okay. STEVEN:So he called me because he... DET. PAXSON:At what time? STEVEN:At 6:47. DET. PAXSON:So before Jen. STEVEN:Um... DET. PAXSON:Because Jen called at 6:52. STEVEN:Let`s see. I`m sorry. Let me just look at this. DET. PAXSON:Well what`s Ray`s cellphone number? STEVEN:Oh, no. Sorry. Martha called. No - no. Martha called... DET. PAXSON:Okay. W... 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 27 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 28 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. 6:41. DET. what?d she say? no. It wasn?t Martha. It was Jen. And then Ray called. I can get this for you. Ray called. DET. she called on Martha?s phone? And 511- and then - and then Ray called. uh. at 6:47. DET. then Jen called back I think to say that they were going to take the baby to the hospital or they?d called 911 at DET. for 27 seconds. DET. what did she say the ?rst time she called? she said that they were having problems. DET. the call. "Hey. We?re having problems. We?re concemed." STEVEN2W- we?re - yeah. DET. then Ray called. And what?d he say? he had been alerted. And I forget What he saidthink wanted to know how he could help. DET. DET. STEVEN: hope that helps time wise. DET. And then she called at 6:52 and said. "Going to the hospital." I recall correctly. yeahhad certainly - the situation had changed. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 28 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 29 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. I think you said. um. the ?rst - when 511- when DET. you. she said. breathing slow. We?re concerned." DET. PAXSON:Something like that? If I - if I recall correctly. I DET. you never spoke to marc- uh. Martha during any of DET. PAXSON: . . .time? Okay. DET. it was on Martha?s phone? DET. now what is Ray?s phone? his phone is. um DET. DET. DET. So you get the call from Jen. "We?re going to the hospital." Now what do you do? - I said DET. stay at home? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 29 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 30 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. I - DET. said. "Is there." - I said. "Is there any way to help?" DET. there anything I can do?" And then you - you stay at home? STEVENzCorrect. DET. So what - what happens next? went to the hospital. DET. Ray did? DET. - and waited. And I think he called back to just say where he - that he?d gone to be there in case he could help in any way. DET. Did he give you any more information? didn?t know anything more. DET. - okay. DET. when do 7:52 I think he called. DET. when do you ?nd out what happened? when Martha called me. And I can ?nd that out. Um. no. Ray - I think - no. Ray called and said Martha - I think - wait - wait a minute. I want to make sure this is accurate. We. 11111. at 7:52 I think Martha - or Ray called me to say that Martha would be coming home - that she was on her way home. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 30 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 31 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. uh. and I think I had called him at 6:53 to ask him if I could help in any way. Now that?s - at least that?s what I?m reading here. And I. you know. I - I can 0- you?re welcome to look at DET. Thank you. anything you need for that - for DET. called him to see if you could help? I think I. if I recall correctly. asked him if there was anything I could do. DET. then he calls you back at 7:52 and says. "Martha?s on her way home." - if I recall correctly. yeah. DET. STEVENzBecause I don?t see a call after that. DET. can check if you want. DET. - okay. 8- okay. Yeah. DET. So Martha gets home. Does she call you on her way home? DET. Does she drive herself home? DET. Um. she gets home and then what happens? What does she tell you? she came in and she said they had lost the baby. DET. Did she tell you anything about what happened? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 31 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 32 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. she - she only 5- said that they - well she - ?rst of all she said that the ambulance crew was fabulous that came. DET. fact I think she wrote a letter of thanks. DET. she said. um. let?s see. What else? About the baby - that she was very sorry and that - and. um. and the - and the baby had not made it and she talked to the parents and she was - that they had given her a hug and. um. and she said she didn?t think she would?ve done anything differently from what. you know. she had done. DET. that was about the end. That DET. she tell you what - what she thought the baby died from or of DET. She didn?t know. DET. you know anything about this child?s. um. medical history I didn?t. DET. - what the child was being seen for DET. mean it?s an 18-month-old baby. I?m just wondering because it - is the question going through your head like. "What happened?" Babies don?t just die. that - no. I know. That was the question that was going through Martha? head. DET. - and of course mine because y- you never want anything like that to happen. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 32 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 33 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Of coursedidn?t know about the medical part of it. I - DET. she - did she explain any of the medical part of it to you to help you understand what might?ve happened to this child or I mean is it still a big question mark in your head? it was a major concern. And. lm1. and she said that she hoped that they would do an autopsy to see what happened. DET. Yeah. And they did. And w- we?re waiting on. you know. those results. That takes a little bit of time. That. you DET. did she talk to you about any type of medication that she gave the child? think she was giving the child. um. B17 ifI recall. DET. And what?s your understanding about under- well from what little I?ve heard around here is that it?s very good DET. - is DET. it. um. is it a common treatment here at this practice? - DETthe position to say whether it?s common or not DET. STEVEN: has been used in this of?ce. DET. you?ve heard it? You?ve heard the - the DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 33 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 34 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DET. so did Martha tell you that she gave the baby B17 or that she used B17 for the baby or how did you ?nd that out? may have found out later that - beyond that night. I - I don?t remember. DET. DET. PAXSON: who told you or how you found out? Did you see records or did somebody. uh. verbally tell you? think she might?ve mentioned it that DET. STEVEN: beyond that. no. DET. DET. did she DET. how the B17 was administered to the child? DET. Do you know 110w it was? I don?t. DET. Um. are you familiar with what form B17 comes in? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 34 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 35 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. think it comes in tablet or oral but DET. don?t DET. for sure. DET. do you - you don?t know how the child received it that day? Or do you? don?t. DET. - I would assume oral but I don?t know. DET. DET. I - I - that is something I?m assuming DET. when you say tablet or oral. I would assume you take tablets orally. - I - actually. I?m - I?m - this is out DET. Yeah. STEVEN: 5 DET. STEVEN: of DET. that?s ?ne. I?m just wondering yeah. I?m not trying to be evasive. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 35 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 36 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. - no. just - DET. you don?t know. it? okay. This DET. do you see what I?m saying? DET. don?t know how else you?d take a tablet other than orally. So I?m wondering if - do you know what forms it comes in? don?t. DET. no. This is - yeah. DET. okay. mean I?ve s- heard it out there and all that DET. you know. sometimes DET. my husband?s not a police of?cer but I may go home and talk to DET. what I did at work. DET. he may know things but some people don?t talk about work like that. - no. generally Martha doesn?t. I mean I - when I was teaching at the college. um. if any of my colleagues came. I never knew until they told me. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 36 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 37 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. STEVEN2Y- you know? So - so I mean she?s. uh. but. um. she was devastated. DET. - and it was - that evening was just a very bad - a very hard evening. DET. she ever lost a patient like that in - at this practice? DET. she lost a patient since she?s kind of. um. left the emergency room and gone out on her own? to my knowledge. DET. DET. were lost in the emergency room. Yeah. Because that?s DET. the nature of the business. right? DET. everybody makes it out of the emergency room. And I?m trying mean I - when you say lost do you mean in the of?ce - that sort of thing? DET. Not to my knowledge. no. DET. s. .. DET. yeah. I - I 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 37 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 38 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. fact I - in fact I can pretty say - boldly say no. DET. I mean it?s a pretty big event. is. DET. STEVEN?Jnintelligible). DET. understand she may be treating patients - let? 5 say cancer patients and DET. receives a phone call on a Monday moming saying. "Oh. just to let you know. so and so passed away on Saturday." or whatever. - yeah. DET. assuming that has DET. occasion. occasion. DET. but not here in the practice. STEVEN2N0. and it?s usually not been when they?ve actually been with the practice but they?ve gone elsewhere DET. elsewhere DET. 5 just to like follow up. DET. no. I can - I can say with con?dence that no. this is - unfortunately this 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 38 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 39 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Um. you said the child looked like she was sleeping when you saw her. Can you DET. you?re talking about? STEVEN: . . .well - well she DET. she just woke DET. sleeping DET. I meant. Sorry. DET. misspoke. that was my impression. DET. Like she just woke up. DET. can you describe - I DET. PAXSON: have a picture in my head what that looks like but you tell me what you describe - what you saw. she was yawning a little bit. DET. And her mom? 5 holding her? I recall correctly. yes. DET. her head up or on her mom?s shoulder. on her mom?s chest. or is she looking aromld? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 39 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 40 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. all of that. DET. of that? DET. DET. yawning a little bit like maybe just woke up from a nap? 5 what my impression was. DET. And I only saw them for like two minutes. DET. DET. crying? DET. um. I mean was she able to like hold her head up? DET. the information that we Min-hm. DET. on was that when she came in. she appeared ?oppy. that was not apparent to me. DET. 11111. from what I saw she just seemed as if sheand she impressed me as being someone who just - 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 40 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 41 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. had just woken up DET. STEVEN: a nap. Yeah. DET. you see anything on her face? I - there was something on her - her right eye. DET. her right eye? DET. All right. Um. well I?m trying to think if there?s anything else. Um. is there anything else that you think would be important for us to know? DET. mean I?m interested in - I did want to DET. a little bit about Martha. You said she was very upset that?s a rough night. Tell me about that. Like she - she DET. was she upset about? That - I mean obviously she lost a DET. that?s sad. And it?s a child. yeah. absolutely devastated. DET. - and n- and not reali- you know. and not - I mean and just wondering what happened. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 41 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 42 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. has no idea What happened? DET. has no opinion or. - you?d had better speak to her about that. DET. STEVENzaJnintelligible). DET. mean has she shared it with you? - no. I DET. STEVEN: issue 3- just we both were DET. whole family was devastated. DET. 1111]. DET. And she?s been in contact I think you said with the family since then? STEVEN2Y- I think there were a couple of phone calls DET. are the nature of those phone calls if - if you know? think of support. And. um. and. uh. just seeing how they?re doing. But you should speak to her because she was the one who did that. And - yeah. DET. I w- and I will. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 42 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 43 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. was just DET. you knew. DET. it your understanding that the parents are at peace with what happened or is there animosity between DET. the practice? STEVEN21 have no idea. DET. She hasn?t shared anything with you? don?t think she has any idea about that. DET. mean they seemed to be supportive and cordial as far as I could DET. STEVEN: that?s from afar. DET. DET. You haven?t spoken to them. DET. that?s - is that the only time you saw them? DET. you know if they had ever been to the clinic before or was this the ?rst time into the clinic? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 43 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 44 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. - I don?t know. I mean I - I mean I - I - I saw them. I met them that day at that time. DET. I - I DET. the ?rst time you saw them. I - I - I mean I assume they?ve been here before but I don?t know. You?d have to check with Martha on that. DET. - okay. usually up DET. removed DET. - she didn?t - she didn?t say. "Oh. this is the ?rst time I saw them." - no. DET. she doesn?t. uh. she. 11111. you know. as far as talking about her patients or DET. it?s usually just something DET. know. DET. know. But it?s - I mean if we could only turn the clock back to DET. it?s tragic. Yeah. I mean heartbreaking. And. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 44 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 45 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. 5 one of the worst things that could happen to any couple and the nightmare of any parent. DET. c- oh. I can?t even - I can?t even can?t (unintelligible). .. DET. can?t even imagine what they?re going through. I - it?s just heartbreaking. DET. me ask you this. DET. when - when patients come in here - maybe you know and this maybe you don?t. And if you don?t. that? ?ne. I?ll ask Martha when I talk to her. DET. are there consent to treat kind of forms that are signed? don?t know. DET. DET. right. might be. DET. there no consent when your - do you sign a consent fom1 if you?re going to do a hypnosis? - they do sign a form DET. it say? - it - I - I?m not sure. I mean that?s something how can - it?s. um. I?m not sure. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 45 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 46 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. - I think it may - DET. don?t give them the form? It?s done somewhere else? in the of?ce. Yes. DET. when they register - yeah. DET. ?ll out DET. sign paperwork? And so I?m sure those forms are available for you to see. DET. DET. PAXSON2A11 right. I usually - I - I?m very right-brained so I don?t - those things I - don?t come as easily as I - I just. you know. more interested DET. just wait lmtil somebody comes and sits in this not quite. No. DET. I?m sitting in quite that. I mean I?ll - I can go meet them. you know. I?ll go downstairs and bring them up. But - but the - usually the other - Ijust don?t - it?s - it?s - DET. STEVEN: my forte. DET. there anything else that you think would be important for us to know. uh. regarding that incident involving 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 46 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 47 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 Added By: (600) prsoN. a- and/or the 13th of March? Anything that happened here that would be helpful for us in this investigation? You lulderstand why we?re here. You understand DET. PAXSON: . . .we? re here? STEVENzAbsolutelyknow you - we - we want to know. too. what happened. DET. DET. 11 help you in any and every way. DET. STEVENzBecause. uh. it's - it. you know. we - we deeply regret it happened. DET. I appreciate that. wish I could - I wish I could tum the clock back DET. PAXSON2Everybody does. STEVEN: that. You DET. DET. 5 very sad. Okay. Well - well we?ll go ahead and go off the. um. DET. there?s something else. Anything else? Just let us know how we can help you. DET. you. Okay. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 47 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera v. Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) (j Supplement Information Supplement Page: 48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:35:20 uh. yeah. Thank you for coming DET. Well thank you. We?ll go off the recorder. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 48 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30113, Camera Agency: SPD Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Incident Investigation Report Case Number: 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) 1 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:37:16 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS PHONE CALL FROM JAMES WALKER ON 3-15-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson#600 James Walker DET. PAXSON2Detective Paxson. I?m sorry. who is this? DET. PAXSON2Detective Paxson. Is this James? okay yeah I?m sorry yeah this is James yeah - okay. DET. Perfect. right. I feel bad. That took a while. DET. that?s okay. we?re good - okay. Sorry to be paranoid I was just - little weird 10 o?clock at night so. DET. I understand. and I?m sorry to have called you so late. I?ve been trying to reach Robert and Grace but they?re not calling us back. and I?ve been trying to reach them since 8:30. 8:30 DET. for about an hour and-a-half. so you - 8:30 today? Okay. DET. left two messages and we just can?t seem to - and it?s my understanding they?re getting ready to leave town. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:37:16 Added By: (600) prsoN. sorry. say that DET. my understanding yeah. DET. PAXSON:they?re getting ready to leave town. yeah. I?m sorry. we were - we were headed back to. um. to Maine to - to do the burial. DET. had spoken with the funeral home and they said that we can take of everything over fax and um. you know email or whatever so. DET. um. DET. uh. no. uh absolutely we can wh- when would you like? DET. is this Robert? this is James. DET. is his brother in law. DET. so yeah. I?d like to meet with Robert. were - you were - yeah. so you were asking for (inaudible) information. DET. you going back - are you going back to Maine too? that was our plan. we were going back with them just to kind of uh. be with - to walk with them. or - or whatever. you know. just kind - just kind of for emotional support. DET. with them. Okay. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related rd'qum Est. 01,430.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:37:16 Added By: (600) prsoN. I?m sorry. you wanted- DET. to be with them. you said you wanted our address? DET. just to be with them they have obviously been. urn. you know DET. a lot. up about this. DET. I can?t JAMESfI'hey?ve been. uh. they?ve actually been staying at our house um. so. DET. can?t even imagine what they?re going through. This is horri?c. it?s been. [1111. it?s been a rough couple of days. Um. DET. you - I?m sorry you wanted our address? DET. some reason? DET. I?d like that DET. I know Where to contact them if - if he doesn?t call me back DET. PAXSON: then I can come and see him. 11111. yeah. our - yeah. uh. I just moved in. We - they?re - they?re here because we just got married. so I don?t even 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:37:16 Added By: (600) prsoN. know the address yetwife it. DET. address is DET. that an apartment? sorry? DET. it an apartment? a condo. DET. okay. apartment however you want to look at it. yeah. DET. PAXSON JAMES yes. That?s in Phoenix. DET. and it is your understanding their - their phone is not working right now? DET. alright. so you can?t reach them either? so shouldI DET. I was just wondering. you know. if they wanted to meet tonight. if they want to meet tomorrow. what do you think would be best for them? I have no idea. DET. - alright well if you see them - like I said they should - yeah we- we?ll. we?ll head to. we?ll. um. we?ll head back or we?re - we?re out having dinner or we were having diimer. um. DET. you with them? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:37:16 Added By: (600) prsoN. we?re not. no. DET. um. DET. right. Well. when you see them. if you?ll have them give me a call. I left my message - absolutely. and tell him you DET. PAXSON: - my nlunber on his - on his voicemail but I?ll give you - if you have a pen and paper I?ll give you my direct line. - yeah in fact what?s - what - uh what?s your number? DET. JAMES DET. PAXSON JAMES - okay. DET. that?s my direct line in my of?ce. okay I?m sorry what was your - how do you spell your last name again? DET. as in Paul. A-X-S-O-N. okay. DET. yeah. if I. um. I will have him call you as soon as. we hear from them. DET. thanks James. you. DET. Bye-bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:35 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 TRANSCRIPTS 911 CALL TO SCOTTSDALE FIRE DEPARTMENT Scottsdale Fire Department Dispatch Jennifer Katona department. hi I need an ambulance to . I have an 18 month year old who? 5 not breathing. that a house. business. or an apartment? is a business called . We?re in a complex. are you medical staff there? I?m a nurse and there?s a doctor here. too. SFD20kay and we?re sure that she?s not breathing and that it?s not just a Febrile Seizure? 100% sure. right . is there any suite munber? nope it?s just the address. just the address. don?t have a suite number. I will go outside and look for the ambulance. de?nitely. does she have uh. family there I take it. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:33:35 Added By: (600) prsoN. she- yeah. medical history that we mom and dad are She has Retinoblastoma. SFD20kay. has cancer in her right eye. SFD10kay. eye? Yeah. right eye. right. there we go. And was this a sudden onset? all right and you guys - doctor - have CPR in progress. correct? the doctor is doing CPR on her right now. she? been doing it for a couple minutes. so SFD2Couple minutes. all right. look we are on the way over there. were gonna be there shortly. okay. I?ll be outside looking. right. bye. you. This transcript was reviewed with the related audio recording and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera v. . . . Agency. SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number. 13-05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:40:48 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 TRANSCRIPTS 911 CALL TO SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT 911 Dispatch Scottsdale Police Department (SPD) 911 Dispatch Scottsdale Fire Department (SF D) elmifer Katona 1 what is your emergency? hi my name is Jen. I?m calling from . I need an ambulance. We have an 18 month year old who? 5 not breathing. what?s the address there? KATONA let me get you over to the paramedics for Scottsdale. be ready with that address one more time okay? SFD2F ire Department hi I need an ambulance to . I have an 18 month year old Who? 5 not breathing. This transcript was reviewed with the related audio recording and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) 1 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONIC INTERVIEW WITH DR. ERIC GRABOSWKI ON 3-19-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Dr. Eric Grabowski DET. PAXSON2Detective Paxson? DR. yes. uh. Jennifer Paxson. please. DET. is this Dr. Grabowski? DR. - yes it is. DET. thank you so much for calling me back. I know you guys are all so busy and I just really appreciate you taking the time. DR. welcome. DET. got your name and number from Dr. Sarah Fryberger. DR. DET. thought it would be a good idea if I contact you. Are you aware of what?s going on? DR. not entirely - uh. not entirely. I leamed from Dr. Fryberger that she?d passed away. DET. she did. Um. the family brought her out here. um. and they sought some alternative type medicine treatment. DR. DET. speci?cally. 1111. a treatment called Laetrile. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. you familiar with that? DR. DET. um. and after that. uh. within about three to four hours. uh -- she got three CCs of that by mouth is what I?m being told -- um. about three to four hours after that breathing had slowed and came to a stop and they were unable to bring her back and she was pronounced dead. Um. an autopsy has been conducted and we?re waiting for the toxicology results to determine. you know. if - if that is in fact what caused her death. So DR. DET. to Dr. Fryberger and. um. she suggested I speak to you because she hadn?t actually seen DR. DET. told me based on what she knew about the case and her interactions with the family and. um. just her experience with it. 11111. you know. without seeing that she believed that probably she did not die from the tumor and it? 5 probably gonna be related to this treatment just based on what she knew. But she said you had actually seen the child. DR. DET. DR. did. uh - when did this actually happen that her - getting the Laetrile? DET. Wednesday. March 13 -- last Wednesday. DR. DET. PAXSONzAfternoon. yeah. DR. me pull up our records and see when we did - when we saw her. DET. DR. GRABOWSKLI agree. and my initial impression is that?s. uh. not the way you die with (unintelligible) retinoblastoma. DET. it - it doesn?t - you don?t come to a screeching halt like that d- like one aftemoon 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. - no. DET. come to a screeching haltyou have a disease in the brain. you would get appended ?rst. Um. could have initability but your mental status would change and she wouldn?t be able to take anything by mouth. DET. okay. So it would affect the brain ?rst and she wouldn?t even be able to eat. She?d be in a hospital? DR. DET. things would take time? Sorry. you?re going to have DR. DET. have to break it down for me a little bit. DR. GRABOWSK12011. DET. I?m not a specialistget the time course again. This i- this is. uh. really specialized because it?s a rare uncommon tlunor. DET. DR. so let me see. Looks like - looks like. uh. I ?rst saw her February 14 so this was four weeks later. DET. DR. on February DET. did you see her for? DR. GRABOWSKLI 5- she was seen by - uh. she was seen by Dr. Lavin. DET. DR. in Waterville - or Watertown. Maine. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. the family?s from DET. correct. DR. um. Dr. Lavin. uh. was w- from my understanding was the ?rst physician this child ever saw. DET. correct. DR. he referred her to my colleague. Dr. Mukai who?s the - an optomologist and - and retinoblastoma expert. And Dr. Mukai and I are - we comprise a team in the Boston area. DET. DR. so she referred. uh. this little girl to see Dr. Mukai on February 13. And I saw her the next day. uh. and. DET. on the 14th then? DR. GRABOWSKlectually the 12th actually. DETand then they saw me on the 14th. She was. uh. I?m - I?m not sure if she had anesthesia but she had an examination in which Dr. Mukai concluded she did indeed have retinoblastoma. DET. DR. then set her up for. um - uh. surgery. which he wanted to do because she has tmnor. which. uh. was pushing her eyeball on the right side pretty far forward. And one of the urgencies was to get some imaging. I?m sorry. are you. uh. with the police department? DET. I am with Scottsdale PD and we have initiated a criminal investigation. DR. DET. not sure if this is going to be child abuse and neglect or a negligent homicide. yet. But we are DR. DET. that direction. We have a doctor involved that administered -- do you pronounce it Laetn'le? DR. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSONzLaetrile. DR. - yes. it?s also known as Amygdalin. DET. - yep. DR. uh. Laetrile. yeah. DET. according to. um. the - the doctor out here -- now I haven?t - the parents have retained an attorney so they have not given me a statement. The - the statement that I have is from the initial statement that the doctor. um -- the homeopathic doctor -- gave to the emergency room that night. And she said I - that she?d given the child three CCs of Laetrile by mouth DR. DET. 3: 15 that afternoon. And then she stopped - she started having dif?culty breathing within about two hours. Um. stopped breathing within an hour after that -- uh. bloated stomach too -- and stopped breathing. CPR was initiated and they worked her for about an hour with CPR and she was pronounced dead by. um - just shortly before 8:00 pm. DR. but if she was. uh - was she awake and alert when he gave her the Laetlile? DET. DR. Then DET. had a picnic lunch in the park that day. DR. then I can?t believe it? retinoblastoma that she died from. DET. DR. DET. - l- and please correct me if I?m wrong. ?cause I?m just a - I mean. I?m a police of?cer but I?m not - I?m de?nitely not a doctor. And DR. DET. you?re saying is if this tlm10r had spread to the brain which. uh. I DR. taken care of 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. went to the autopsy on Friday DR. taken care cases of very advanced retinoblastoma DET. DR. probably seen between 300 to 400 over the years. And of those I?ve seen were very advanced. They don?t die suddenly. That?s just not the usual. DET. DR. with bra- even with brain - brain tmnor. DET. DR. - it - it?s a lingering death. Uh. so this - this - especially if she was alert to - to be able to drink the - the liquid and a few hours later suddenly died. DET. DR. just doesn?t make any sense. The only possibility would be if - if she had. um. hemorrhage. ya know. like a s- it?d be stroke and hemorrhage. But your autopsy should show that. DET. and we did - the autopsy was conducted on Friday and we?re just waiting. But based on the - the research that I?ve done 011 this Laetrile. it sounds like it - you can get cyanide poisoning and DR. then DET. PAXSONzwhich could cause dif?culty breathing. DR. you need a DET. DR. DET. 3 what we?re doing right now. DR. GRABOWSKIZSO. 1111. I?d - I - I would - I would say - feel the same way as Dr. Fryberger. This is not a likely. uh. way of dying from retinoblastoma. DET. And here?s 11111 - so you are in - you?re in Massachusetts? You?re in Boston? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. DR. DET. far is that ?'om where the family?s at in Maine? DR. about four hours. DET. DR. they - they came to us because we?re sorta the regional referral center for this tumor. and Dr. Lavin who was in Maine. uh. sent her to Dr. Mukai. And the folks in Maine don?t do the kind of surgery as needed as to remove the eye. Uh. so Dr. Mukai. uh. was able to do that even though the family had no insurance. In other words. uh. if DET. DR. had. uh - if they were able to get Maine Medicaid -- which dad did not do -- uh. I believe Dr. Mukai would?ve been paid. DET. DR. I saw her. uh. two days later. DET. you say dad wouldn?t do it. he just refused? DR. Well let me. uh - let DET. wouldn?t sign up for it? DR. come to that. I?ll come to that. DET. DR. GRABOWSKIZSO. um. I saw her on Thursday. It was the one time I saw mom and dad. DET. DR. then we. uh - lovely little girl. she was quite alert and - and. uh. not. you know. the tumor was very local. She had some local edema and swelling around the and the temple. And otherwise her exam would have been ?ne. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. then needed. uh. very urgent brain imaging called an MR scan of the brain. DET. DR. I a- inquired about free care at our hospital. Our hospital said. "No. we won?t do it because she?s eligible - she can get. uh. m- uh. Medicaid in Maine." DET. DR. give you an example. About three years ago we took care of a little boy from DET. DR. our hospital did grant free care because there was no insurance to be gained anywhere DET. DR. he had a comparable advanced tumor. And then this. uh - this child did have an opportunity. So What I did then was I called Portland. Maine - uh. Maine Cancer Center. spoke to Dr. Larsen there. And. uh - and that team was willing to see her. They?re closer to the folks? home and they were in Maine. Urged Dad to apply -- based on the advice from our ?nancial patient services -- to apply for Maine Medicaid. Uh. and he seemed to be agreeable to that. And. uh. he - um. we had agreed to catch up -- that was on a Thursday -- catch up the following Tuesday. I think Monday was a holiday. DET. DR. following Tuesday. And we did. I spoke to dad late in the afternoon and he had not pursued the Medicaid. Uh. but actually he was worried because she was. uh. lethargic -- the little girl was lethargic. So I called Dr. Larsen and I spoke with after that and he arranged for the little girl to be seen at a local emergency room near the family? 5 home. DET. DR. she was ?ne. And. uh. his partner was expecting -- no. I - I take it back. He did not go to that place. He - he told Dr. Larsen that he would but did not show up. DET. DR. that evening -- which was the Tuesday after the 14th -- I got a call from Dr. Larsen?s partner saying. "They had not shown up in the emergency room. What should we do?" And I said. "Well give dad a little - you know. a little leash." I mean. a little bit of. you 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. - freedom of action - maybe he?s telling the truth and we?ll try to reach him in the nloming. We did and he said she was ?ne and so we had to take that at face value. I again urged him to. uh. ASAP be seen by the folks in. DET. PAXSONzPortland. DR. GRABOWSKI: . . .in Portland. DET. DR. Dr. Larsen in the meantime. uh. called Dr. Fryberger ?cause Bangor is closer. And. uh. Dr. Fryberger was willing to see them instead DET. this is when they took off for Arizona. DR. is ?ne. DET. DR. next thing we both know. the family had - had left. So I reached dad in Arizona probably the end of that week and I said. um. "Why did you go see the family?" And he said. "Well Dr. Mukai gave us permission to ?y to Arizona." And Dr. Mukai did not. DET. okay. DR. - he actually - I - I did ask him about that and he said the question that dad asked him is it okay for her to be on a plane. Uh. yes but he did not ask the question. "Can she go to Arizona?" DETmade - he made the point to me. uh. twice. that he was going to attend a wedding. And I said to him. "The wedding is not as important as your child?s life. You should get back to Maine as soon as possible ?cause she needs urgent evaluation. Her life is at risk." Those are the words I used to dad. DET. and he saidthat. When. 1111. some more days went by and Dr. Fryberger. 1111. reached him and found out he was w- he agreed to go to a hospital in Phoenix -- a pediatric oncology group -- that she had suggested to them. uh. and e-mailed the person there. Uh. we said. "Okay. at least she?ll be seen." But 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. didn?t go. DR. I - they - they weren?t seen there either. DET. DR. some equivocation about that. DET. correct. DR. then Dr. Fryberger tried to reach dad I think the same - I never reached him. I tried to reach dad. I may have left him messages on voicemail that it was very urgent that she be seen. Uh. those messages were not answered. And then. um - and then. uh. the family was. uh. from - from two centers declared to be. uh. in child neglect. DET. DR. GRABOWSKIZSO it?s a - it?s a - in the state of Maine. it?s a case of child neglect. DET. and I think Dr. Fryberger made that report to Department of Health Services. That?s why I initially contacted her I - to follow up on that. DR. both - we both did. DET. both did? Okay. Um. so I need to follow with DR. why I said two centers. DET. need to follow up with them. Um. what I - what I don?t want to happen is that we run into a. uh. double jeopardy type situation where we?re both investigating the same thing. Um. so I need to see where they?re going to take it up - if they?re gomla take like the neglect case up to the day that they left for Arizona. Obviously she died here so that is something we?re gonna DR. DET. deal with. And then how far back are we gomla go? So that?s what I need DR. DET. out with local law enforcement back there and who?s gorma be taking it. But I?ll start with DHS to see who they referred it to. I know in Arizona when - when Child Protective Services gets involved. they get a report from a doctor?s of?ce and then they contact the appropriate law enforcement agency to do the criminal investigation. Is that how it works in Maine DR. GRABOWSKLI - I 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSON: .back DR. not a resident of that state. DET. DR. what I. uh - I made a call and - and som - someone at Dr. Fryberger?s team. Uh. but I said - since I had seen the girl -- this little gir -- and not Dr. Fryberger. Uh. I made a call to the state of Maine. DET. DR. uh. d- and her group also made a call on behalf of. uh. doctors in the state of Maine. DET. now. um. Dr. Grabowski. when you were attempting to contact the father. was it just by phone or were there e-mails or letters DR. no I did not send a letter. I - I don?t know of an e-mail address. In fact. I don?t know where I would send a letter to. DET. DR. uh - I think Dr.. um. Fryberger had sent something but she didn?t know where it was supposed to go. DET. reason I?m asking that DRdid not. DET. so you don?t DR. DET. email address for them? DR. have. 1111. no e-mail address. uh. and dad did not divulge where he was. DET. andcell phone contact -- his cell phone? DR. - that?s right. DET. your of?ce? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. DET. - okay. um. we are in the process here -- like I said -- we - we?ve initiated an investigation. Um. I may be coming back there to conduct interviews. 1111]. search - do a search warrant with local law enforcement back there at the residence. etceteragive you some advanced notice. do you think we could meet face to face and I can get a formal statement from you? DR. sure. DET. I will. uh. call you and - when I know more -- if I?m comin? back. But I?ll - I?ll de?nitely give you a heads up and - and we?ll schedule it. okay? DR. DET. DR. GRABOWSKLI - I. uh - I reported him as a con?dential reporter. DET. DR. I di - I did not want dad to know in case he?s - he?s dangerous. DETfor sake of my family. DET. and I agree. DR. I - but I?m most happy to speak with you. DET. you. DR. I w- uh. so don?t tell dad but. you know. I. 1111 - you know. two of us did DET. DR. the same day. DET. absolutely not. I?m - they?re not talkin? to me anyway. DR. me point out one other thing to 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. refused to give me a statement. DR. me point out one other thing. I have a strong suspicion that his wife is a battered wife. DET. okayhad appearance to my colleague. Dr. Mukai. of being emaciated. Whenever I spoke to - to - about the child. I?d often ask questions of mom and she would just look away at her husband and he would answer. In fact. he held the child. DET. DR. father was also present DET. DR. kind of was steering them to altemative radiation therapies. altemative medicine. DET. Todd - Todd Maynard? DR. I don?t know his name. DET. it was. um - it DR. .. DET. paternal grandfather though? DR. DET. DR. mother. I asked her where she was from. She said Virginia. DET. DR. I said. "Do you have any f- any family - have your - your family members in Maine?" She said. And so I think she?s. uh. associated with a extended family of the father?s. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. who dominate her. She reminds me of. uh. you know. like -- uh. how would you say -- a woman from 150 years ago. DET. DR. sorta brow beatin? by the husbands. DET. and that?s how she. uh - she does present that way. Um. we did ?nd out though she?s quite a blogger. DR. that right? DET. a researcher. And yeah - and she tweets. And she?s a stay at home mom and she?s. uh - she does not at all present on the computer 110w she is - how she presents in person. DR. no birth certi?cate in the state of DET. DR. this child. DET. not because the child was bom at home. DR. andvaccinations or DET. DR. GRABOWSKI: . . .I understand. DET. that?s correct. DR. and the - and the. the dep- what is it. the. uh. group in Maine - is it child protection - child protection agency -- uh. don?t have an address. All that we have is a post of?ce box number. DET. I?ve got a physical address. 11111. at least DR. do? DET. DR. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. have. 11111 - I?m pretty sure. at minimum. it's gorma be me coming back there and working with the Maine state police for this investigation. Um. DR. DET. more of us. But I?m gonna stay in touch with you and Dr. Fryberger and Dr. Lavin. And DR. DET. hopefully be able to. DR. DET. get some statements from you DR. GRABOWSKLI think - I think the real crime here is that this child was neglected for. you DET. DR. - parents recollection of seven months of no care for the - for the tumor. DET. that what DR. DET. PAXSON: when they - when they should?ve noticed? DR. 5 what they - that? 110w long they said they were - they were recei?ng homeopathic care in Maine. DET. they told you that? Okay. see they told DR. DET. they didn?t give us a statement. I have no infomlation from DR. the person who referred them to Dr. Lavin was the homeopathic person. DET. -- Dr. Christopher Maloney? DR. they didn?t give me his name. DET. I want to meet with him too. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. or her name. But he?s the person who. you DET. them - saw them ?rst. DR. had no cormnent - he had no comments. uh. either for seven months. but ?nally got some at the end. DET. DR. and. um - and the hope was that - now. uh. Dr. Fryberger was hoping that they would feel comfortable in Phoenix because. uh. they would get homeopathic care and. uh. chemotherapy. DET. DR. not much is - not - not just the ?rst. DET. and that?s all they did. DR. this is a - this is child neglect and it - the child?s life. uh - uh. this child did not have to die. DET. are the DR. DET. and this is the common theme from everybody I talk to. DR. then - and then in the end. uh. the death was too sudden to be from the tumor - disseminated from a tumor in the brain. And number three. even if the child was too far gone -- even when we saw the child -- uh. her last days would?ve been made much more comfortable. DET. I - I - I agree wholeheartedly and so does my department and the county attorney?s of?ce here. And that?s why we have opened a criminal investigation. I just need to work with. um. the authorities back there in Maine so that we are not - we?re not doing the same thing. And so where - where their neglect case is gonna stop. that?s where ours is gonna pick up DR. I see. DET. ours will include the death of her. So okay. I will be in touch with you. Is this a good number. the DR. yes. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. - that?s our main of?ce. DET. be in touch with you. um. if I?m gonna be traveling there. which I - I - hopefully I am. okay? DR. and - and so your name again is? DET. PAXSON:Jennifer. DR. Paxson? DET. P-A-X. .. DR. DET. DR. DET. I?m a detective with Scottsdale PD. DR. well all the best to you DET. you. DR. very - very sad. DET. - it?s - it?s very sad. Andtry and put this together and if. you know. these people are responsible for it that they?re held accountable. DR. I?ll say one thing. Uh. in - over the years I?ve taken care of. um. a lot of children who have had very advanced tumor. And - and the other c- all the other cases were of families -- with one exception -- were families who were so poor. impoverished or from third world comitries. they didn?t have access to care. The one exception was -- it?s such a rapid disease -- that family was - they had - there? 5 nothing they could?ve done differently. DET. DR. is the ?rst time it? - it?s - it?s directly neglect. Thi- this did not have to have this outcome. DET. agree. DR. family had access if they wanted it. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. and they - what they did was they took their philosophy and their opinions and what they would do for themselves and their own body and they imposed it on this 18 month old child and she didn?t have anyone in her comer speaking up for her for those seven months when she could?ve DR. DET. the appropriate treatments. DR. - this was. uh - this is clear black and White child - child neglect. DET. I don?t - I don?t know how much you know about this Laetrile but everything I?ve researched on it says it unsafe. shouldn?t be used. banned by the FDA. DR. DET. PAXSON: be used in children and especially shouldn?t be given by mouth DR. DET. it was. DR. GRABOWSKLI - I - I don?t know very much about it. Like I said. we had a famous case about 30 years ago in DET. DR. this area. DETask you thisbanned in Massachusetts and Maine? Can you use it? DR. GRABOWSKH don?t know. Uh - uh. I think there?s a family that took a child with leukemia to Mexico. DET. DR. before I was - before I moved here. And the child passed away and that became a - that was a - another major legal case. DET. I - I expect DR. DET. the direction this is gonna go. Of course. you know. we have to wait for toxicology. But based on 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) prsoN. everything that. you know. I?m hearing from you. this should not have been this sudden. I mean. this child was having a picnic lunch in the park at - between 1:00 and 2:00 pm that day. At 3: 15 she?s administered this oral dose of Laetrile. DR. DET. within three to four hours she?s dead. DR. this was on the 14th of March? DET. was on the 13th I believe - it was Wednesday. DR. DET. Wednesday. DR. DET. 13th. Yep. 13th of March. DR. DET. they were in Arizona since the 26th. DR. DET. basically went to - they did go to Phoenix Children?s Hospital but. um. didn?t get past registration. You knowconme their identity. Um. they want - PC - I?ll tell ya something. Uh. Phoenix Children?s Hospital doesn?t turn anybody away. Any child that needs treatment gets treatment at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. DR. DET. it?s not a - it?s not a matter of insurance or anything. Um. they just - they couldn?t verify. They - and they wouldn?t ?ll out the paperwork to try and verify who they were and that DR. DET. they needed the treatment. ya know. and that they didn?t have money and - or insurance. You know. you have to ?ll that paperwork out stating you don?t have it. DR. DET. okay. well thank you so much for taking the time to talk to me. And I will be in touch with you and I?ll say - I?ll 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:43:25 Added By: (600) PAXSON, keep ya posted on - on what we?re doing here. DR. DET. thank DR. - bye now. DET. much. Bye - bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONIC INTERVIEW WITH DR. C. WILLIAM ON 3-19-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Dr. C. William Lavin DET. I?ve been following up some doctors I spoke to. Sarah Fryberger and Eric Grabowski today and I put a call in to you. I?m just writing um. my af?davit for the search warrant. I just wanted to make sure I had all the information correct. DR. DET. I think now after speaking to those two doctors I have a pretty good feel for tun. the chain of events that happened. So they came to you ?rst? DR. DET. DR. - they actually went to a - a naturopathic doctor. a Christopher Maloney. DET. And that?s - that?s who referred them to you? DR. DET. Have you spoken to him? DR. - I?ve sent him - just some - leaw'ng messages on his answering machine. He?s a hard guy to get in touch with you - to get in touch with. But do you - do you have his number at all? DET. PAXSON2N0. I just have your letter um. with the email address. but I?m 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. DET. sure I can ?nd his number. DR. Yeah. DET. you have it. DR. he would be a good person - yeah. he initially saw the patient. DET. DR. DET. PAXSON2D0 you have his number? DR. I?m (unintelligible) right now. I?m on his web site. Yeah. its area code DET. DR. LAVIN: DET. DR. LAVIN: DET. So you haven?t actually spoken to him though? DR. lost you there. What was that? DET. haven?t actually spoken to him though? DR. LAVIN2011 my goodness. (Unintelligible) lose each other. DET. you hear me? DR. hear you now. DET. DR. I didn?t hear that ?rst part of the sentence. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0.1-30.3, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DET. you didn't actually speak to him though? DR. LAVIN2N0. I did not. No. DET. I?m just wondering um. like how long had he been trying to get them to go DR. don?t know. yeah. Ah. that would be in his - I would suspect his medical records. DET. DR. I didn?t want to do anything accusatory or anything else like that on him. like when did you see him ?rst or something like that. DET. yeah. DR. I don?t know. DET. DR. DET. So then they come to you and you notice hey. this is pretty serious 11111. and you refer them to Boston. DR. DET. where um. they meet up with Dr. Mukai and Doc - and Dr. Grabowski. DR. LAVIN:Correct. DET. then um. Dr. Mukai. it?s my understanding he does this surgery um. for free because the family doesn?t have insurance but this was such an advanced case DR. DET. he did this. Has. you know. without compensation. Um. and then Dr. Grabowski was supposed to do some sort of imaging but the hospital said 110. um. we?re not gonna do this for free because they are eligible for Medicaid in Maine. DR. LAVIN:Correct. DET. he then contacted um. the Maine Cancer Center in Portland um. and referred them to Dr. Larsen and they were supposed to see Dr. Larsen but then they didn?t. and Dr. Larson actually arranged for Dr. Sarah Fryberger to get involved because 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. she was closer in proximity to where the family lived. but they didn?t hook up with her either. DR. DET. And then they come to Arizona and everyone ?nds out that they came to Arizonathe way they went to Arizona is she had the - they had the enucleated on that Friday. I think that was the Friday it was. Then they came to me on post op on - on Tuesday. I think it was Monday. the following Monday. DET. DR. we were going to start the staging. We had to stage the tumor before we could start the chemotherapy. And they said. "We?re not too sure if we want to have it done." They gave me a bunch of information on naturopathic vitamins and stuff like that from clinics in Arizona. And they said. "Oh. we have to go to a wedding. I have to take her to a wedding tomorrow but we?ll be back on Friday." I called them on that Friday. They said. "We?re not coming back. We?re going to have the care down here." So we arranged for them to see a doctor at Phoenix Children?s. DET. DR. and they went to Phoenix Children?s. And they said - he told me. the father. I?ve had about 15. 20 conversations. They - they don?t want to do anything because they don?t have any money. And I called the clinic and they said. "No. we never said that. We said. you have to be out here for one to two weeks before we can. you know. and you can?t go back to Maine. We?re not gonna do everything today. We have to ?nd out who you are. We don?t have any identi?cation on you." They - they refused to stay there and they - according to them. the clinic. they said that he wanted to go to Minneapolis. DET. DR. called him right away. He said. "No. no. no. I don?t want to go to Minneapolis. I?ll be back Doctor. I?ll be back to Maine." So I waited three days. didn?t come back to Maine. I called him and he said. "No. we like it there. We?re gonna - we like the weather here - we?re gonna stay here but we?re gonna have chemotherapy down here." DET. DR. didn?t tell me who he was going to have it with. what chemotherapy or anything. DET. DR. I told him I - I told him it wasn?t a good idea but he says. "We?re not coming back." Then it was the following about four or ?ve days later the medical examiner called me and said the baby died. So my understanding is the - is the doctor there who?s not quali?ed to do this ah. gave the child IV Laetiile. DET. mouth? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. excuse me. by mouth Laetrile. DET. mouth. yeah. DR. that converts to cyanide. DET. DR. should only be given IV and it should only be given by an oncologist. She is a - she?s a board certi?ed emergency room doctor. DET. DR. went on and got a holistic MD background. DET. DR. to me it? 5 like a Michael Jackson case. She did something in an of?ce that she shouldn?t have been doing and wasn?t quali?ed for doing. DETarrest at home from what I understand. respiratory arrest. She said. "Don?t take him to the emergency room. Bring him back to my clinic." She started CPR on him and then the ambulance. Is that the story that you?re kind of getting? DET. kind of the story. But here?s um. yeah. and that?s kind of the story that we?re getting but unfortlmately the family has not given us a statement. DR. DET. I haven?t gotten it ?rst hand from them. I got it from the hospital DR. DET. 5 what the hospital is saying is basically - I don?t know if she didn?t - I don?t know if she speci?cally said don?t take the - don?t take the child know. Yeah. DET. the child back here. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. DET. they brought the child back there and her exact words and quote to the hospital was. "When the child arrived at my of?ce she was ?oppy." DR. DET. ?oppy but still breathing. And then you know. stopped breathing. The doctor initiated CPR and then called 911 and but nobody was able to revive the child. DR. DET. um. yeah. it?s basically the same story. Now that?s - that?s all based on just what these people told the hospital in the emergency room that night. And then the medical examiner actually ah. Ramirez actually interviewed the father over the phone and got a very - very similar story is my understanding. DR. DET. so basically what we have here is. you know. and I - we initiated an investigation - a criminal investigation run. based on ?rst we were looking at the doctor and then I read your letter and I?m - I realized that this family looks like they?ve kind of been bucking the system um. ever DR. DET. PAXSOszrobably ever since they noticed that their child needed medical care. Um. so now we?re looking at the parents as well. DR. To me. I think its medical neglect on the parents? part. But. you know. they said. "We?re doing prayer therapy and vitamin therapy." And - and ah. they didn?t want to seek traditional medicine. We told them we could get them to St. Judecost. We could get them down there. I could have treatment down there. And the grandfather who is - is - is more obstinate than the parents. the parents I think are taking the lead from the grandparents. DET. DR. LAVIN2A11. they said. we don?t want to take them down there. They kill babies down there with high dose ah. high dose chemotherapy. A11. and ah. you know. the - the - the situation is - I mean I - I. you know. I - I?m not a vindictive person but I want to protect my - my - my all. my ah. my vocation. And I personally don?t think this doctor should be practicing medicine down there and I?m going to go to the medical board with this and have them investigate. if no one else does it. to have her investigated. because she should have not been treating the child with Laetrile. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. DR. not have given it IPO. which is a lethal way of giving it. DET. We - we?ve been in contact with - okay. so there?s a couple boards. There?s the conventional medicine board um. down here. And then there is the AZHIMA. Arizona DR. Which I think she?s a - a board - I mean a - a - an of?cer of. DET. she is. So my partner actually went to the regular board - medical board today and he was told that as soon as we give them notice of our investigation on letterhead. within ?ve days they have to notify her. DR. DET. I?m not prepared for that yet because I?m still writing. you know. my search warrant. I am pre- I?m interviewing other doctors because I want to know what I?m talking about when I go talk to her. DR. DET. that? gomla happen here within the next day or two and then of course. yes. um. the board is gorma be involved and they?re going to initiate their own investigation and I would assmne that this other board will as well. Of course she?s on it. so I don?t know how that works. DR. You know. DET. PAXSON:Apparently she? quite reputable here in the valley. I just learned that today. I was talking to another um. holistic type clinic and apparently she?s quite reputable. I don?t know 110w this happened. DR. don?t know what - what she does in her practice or 110w she does it. And ah. I don?t know whether. you know. other naturopaths are gonna be supporting their - their president or executive vice president or whatever she is. Um. and. you know. she is very well versed. She?s very well trained in traditional and allopathic medicine. DET. DR. but now she? branched out into something that. you know. to me if a child - you shouldn?t start chemotherapy unless you stage this - stage this child and the child had not been traditionally staged. So she didn?t know what she was treating. If she was treating Stage 3 or Stage 4 cancer that treatment would be different. DET. DR. she - she?s treating something she doesn?t even know what she?s treating for. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. something that she - that is not known to be - take care of the cancer and she gave it in the route by mouth that was - was lethal. Um. and it?s - it?s - if it?s not criminal it?s certainly negligent. DET. absolutely. DR. and DET. that?s the approach we?re taking too. Doctor. and that?s what we?re investigating on both parts. parents and doctor. DR. - and I - initially when I mentioned to the - the grandparents about well. are you going to get any Medicaid and he just. "We don?t believe in this government. We?ll never do anything with this government." So I don?t think they have a paper trail of their identity or too much. I don?t know. licenses or what they have. Um. but. you know what? If - if they ?nd that this doctor did something negligent. are they going to go back and ?nd some way to sue them for $3 million - sue this woman for $3 million and are they going to become millionaires based on the death of their child because of neglect of the child? DET. I actually think that they?re going to hold some responsibility. DR. would think they would. DET. - we?re investigating them as well. equally. All three are equally being investigated. DR. would think so. DET. based on everything that I?m ?nding out. they had plenty of information. They may present like they are nave and young DR. DET. and. you know. maybe not - not educated. That is not the case. DR. LAVIN2N0. no. I mean they came in with literature from 1101 - from - from St. Jude?s hospital and they refused to go down there. The grandfather is very well ah. well read. ah. very conversant. They?re not backwards people from Maine. DET. No they?re not. DR. - they just neglected this child. And DET. basically they have very strong beliefs and they imposed those beliefs and philosophy on their l8-month-old. DR. I have no problem if the person themselves 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. LAVIN:(1mintelligible) but not for somebody else. Not to their child. DET. agree wholeheartedly. If you?re 40 years old. 50 years old. you have cancer and you choose to go do something like this. then you know what? That? 5 your choice. DR. LAVIN2Absolutely. DET. this - this actual - I - I got the name from your letter actually. the Oasis for Healing in Mesa. DR. DET. contacted them and they don?t even treat children because that?s their belief as well. And they said - they educated me and they said in this state. in Arizona. Arizona views adults as being able to give consent and make decisions like this but children cannot. And the state - and I?m speaking from Arizona?s perspective according to this woman I spoke to today. She said Arizona's position is that if there is ever a debate. they?re going to defer - the state is going to defer to conventional medicine for children. And not until you?re an DR. LAVIN2Absolutely. DET. you make the choice to go do something else. DR. Yeah. DET. DR. just can?t - I just can?t fathom. this woman went to Radcliffe. She went to Harvard under- undergraduate. She?s a very well trained lady. To have a child that comes into your of?ce that doesn?t have an eye. the is missing. obviously had surgery. DET. DR. and - and obviously has DET. DR. and to say okay. we?ll treat her. I mean for God?s sake she's just asking for a lawsuit ?cause it?s a no-win situation. the child may die. you?re not a pediatrician. you?re not an oncologist. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) PAXSON. DR. them out of your of?ce. You don?t need that. Why DET. PAXSON2Especially - yeah. especially with something as controversial with Laetrile. I can?t ?nd anything good about it. DR. Especially Laetrile. I mean that was back in the 70s when I was. you know. yeah. See the thing about Mexico. it says - from what I understand you can't pass Laetrile from border - from one border to the other. You can?t go across state borders. DET. DR. you can take - you can bring it in from Mexico. DET. then we border Mexico. DR. that?s why - that? 5 why - that way they? re able to get it and that? 5 why they?re able to give it down there. Because ah. if you look up - I think it was last year there is some state legislature ah. that in Arizona was trying to outlaw the use of Laeuile. DET. they are. I saw that. DR. DET. was an article in February just this last month actually DR. LAVINzCorrect. Yeah. DET. ah. Kavanagh is trying to push that forward. I saw that. DR. DET. I - I suspect that 5 case will probably be very useful for his cause. DR. hope it is. DET. - I - I suspect it will be. Um. this is - this is just a tragedy. This is so sad. DR. Yeah. DET. is so uncalled for. Every doctor I?ve spoken to so far is saying. you know. this didn?t need to happen. This was treatable. DR. did not need to happen. This is something that. you know. I?m a - I believe in prayer and I believe in God. But those parents and that doctor is gonna walk into the pearly gates and is gonna be up there. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. DR. is gonna say why. DET. DR. really tore me apart because I said. this is a cancer that?s 98% correctable. DET. DR. she could be going to her wedding day. She could be going to her prom. DET. Yeah. Yeah. it?s - it?s a trag - it? a tragedy. It?s a very extremely sad case. Um. but please know. we?re gonna do everything Scottsdale. The county attorney. I?ve met with him. They are on board. Um. I may be coming back to Maine and if so um. I would like to meet with you in person and get a formal statement. Um. and DR. would be happy to do that. DET. And I talked to the other doctors and they?re in agreement as well. Obviously you know. if this does go as far as a negligent homicide um. you are all witnesses as to the events that preceded it. DR. DET. DR. understand that and I really appreciate you doing this for DET. course. DR. DET. I will be in touch with you. and ifI have any questions can I call you? DR. absolutely can. DET. And I will let you know um. if I?m coming to Maine. And um. and then we can set something up. I?ll give you advance notice so we can set up an appointment. DR. thank you very much. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 88 Location DR. appreciate that. Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:44:40 Hate cn'me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Case Number: 13-059912 Homicide Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Jk Supplement Page: 12 Added By: PAXSON, Supplement Information DET. Thank you. Take care. DR. LAVIN2N0 problem. Bye bye. DET. bye bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT MAYNARD ON 3-16-13 at the SCOTTSDALE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Det. Hugh Lockerby #707 Det. John Heinzehnan #844 Robert Maynard Joy Walker DET. Robert. you can go right in there and Grace. you?re going to go right in here. Okay. Robert. there?s a copy of the order. And we got another detective that?s coming and will speak - speak to Grace. [Det. Paxson leaves the room to talk to Grace in the intendew room across the hall] DET. another detective is gelma come and help me. he?ll be right with you. You can take a seat right over there ill that chair. okay? He?ll be right - thank you. [Det. Paxson returns to Robert?s interview room] DET. Robert. do you have a driver?s license on you? DET. ROBERT:(inaudible) DET. is there a copy of this order for Grace also? DET. has her own order. That?s your order. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. (inaudible). DET. what is your social security number? don?t know. DET. don?t know your social security number? not by heart. DET. PAXSON2D0 you have one? should be comlected to my. um. driver?s license though. right? DET. it?s - I don?t see it on here. do you have it on there? ROBERT2N0 it?s not on there. I mean. it - in the database. DET. So don?t DET. you have one? I have one. DET. But you don?t know your social security number? I don?t. DET. [Det. Paxson. Det. Lockerby. and Det. Heinzehnan have a conversation in the hall outside the intendew room.] DET. Do you wanna. um - um. I just got driver?s license information. John. Who?s DET. gonna take care of her. DET. You wanna come on - we?ll - I?ll do. uh. buccal ?rst. DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. who?s gonna do the photos? DET. got the camera. DET grab them real quick. DET. Hugh. if you want. um. wherever you want to start. DET. then I can come in and give you the print stuff. DET. prints. yeah and then you can come in here and yeah DET. DET. Um. a copy of the order is right there. Hugh. DET. DET. you got an envelope and a buccal swab right there. DET. [He speaks to Grace Daniels in the interview room across the hall] Hi. How are you? [Det. Paxson and Det. Heinzehnan return to the interview room with Robert] DET DET. DET we just do photograph right away? DET. let?s. uh. go right up against the wall. DET DET. second. DET Heinzehnan. one of the detectives here. I?m very sorry for everything that happened. So I apologize. Um. I just gotta take a quick photograph of you. That? 5 ?ne. It?s not like you?re lulder arrest or anything so just a regular picture. DET. the interview room across the hall] Grace do you understand we?re - why we?re here right now? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET That - that?s - that? it for me. DET. And then. uni. you know What. John. I need to go grab gloves DET DET. the buccal. I?ll be right back. I?ll be right back. Robert. DET the interview room across the hall talking to Grace Daniel] Um. part of - because you guys are from out of state. 11111. I just wanna get a quick photograph of you. If that? okay? Um ..if you can just stand right here is good. DET. the interview room across the hall talking to Grace Daniel] There you go. Have a seat. relax. [Det. Paxson returns to the area] DET. you have John - oh. he' not with you anymore? DET. gone back. DET. Can we - if he comes into your interview room ?rst. can - just wanted him to take a picture of that real quick. [Det. Paxson returns to the interview room with Robert] DET. The DNA. Okay. And urn. 5 date of birth is DET. Robert. where was she born? Parkman. DET. PAXSONzParkman? DET. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. at a hospital or? home. DET. home. She has a bilth certi?cate? DET. Um. is that on ?le with the State of Maine. is - do you have it or? I don?t have it with me. no. DET. Where and how can I go about getting a copy of that? need a copy of that today? DET. if you have it today that?d be great. I need to ma?am. DET. her identity. don?t have it today. Um. actually we could get a copy from our lawyer. Um. he might be able to fax it. DET. DET. has a copy? DET. Chad Shell has a copy? DET. Here in town? DET. So he could fax it? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. right. You wanna give him - do you have a phone? Do you wanna give him a call? I don?t - no. DET. Um. well maybe you could call him when we?re done here. DET. I?ll give you my fax number. Okay. So she was born at home? DET. DET. And he has a copy of the birth certi?cate? DET. you have that with you in town. you just don?t have it with you right now? DET. All right. Let?s get the DNA or that buccal swab. Do you have any questions on the order? ROBERT2N0. DET. Do you understand. um. why we need this? Or do you have any questions about it? DET. he explain that to you? I guess that?s my question. I - I pretty much get it. DET. I mean. you?re from out of state. Yeah. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30113, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. leaving. Um. we have an open investigation here at this point. DET. if you never come back. I need to be able to prove who I was speaking to. who the parents of this child are right? Okay. So this is like a big Q-Tip. DET. basically it?s just gonna go - I?m just gomia rub the inside of your cheek. Have you ever had this done before? ROBERT2N0. DET. just rubs the inside of your cheek and then DET. the cap back on and it goes in the envelope okay? DET. Thank you. Okay. We just have ?ngerprints left then. Okay. [Det. Paxson leaves the room and has a conversation with Det. Heinzelman in the hall] DET and then. 11111. if you can go grab your guys (inaudible). [Det. Paxson returns to the interview room] DET. Take photos of these. There you go. DET be right back. DET. All right. We?re just waiting for - we only have one print card thing. DET. we?re just waiting for that. And then I?ll get a hold of Mr. Shell and get a copy of the birth certi?cate. Now I?m assuming he - he told you that we spoke. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. he told me. um. that it?s your desire to. um. go have - go home. have the services. and then come back - and with all your documentation DET. give a statement at that point. If there is anything that - but this is your decision. you?re an adult. If there?s anything. um. that you would like me to know right now. while 5- we don?t know anything about you guys. DET. we know is. 11111. we have an 18 month old who died. That?s all we know. Um. if there?s anything you?d like me to know. um. you?re - after we get this - after we get these ?ngerprints. you?re ?ee to go. You don?t have to stay here and talk to me. DET. there?s anything you want me to know before you leave and go back to Maine. then I?m here to listen to you. ROBERT21 just wanna know about the autopsy and what info has been found about that. I DET. um. you know not - you know the autopsy was conducted. DET. o- obtiously this wasn?t. you know. there?s - there?s all kinds of different ways people die. Right? So this wasn?t something that they could just take a look at her and they?re gonna know right away. It?s gonna take a lot of lab tests. Um. you were with her DET. hours preceding her death. You know. um. what happened prior to that so you probably have more information about that than I do. you?re telling me that there?s nothing they found out as of yet? DET. gon- I?m telling you it?s gorma take a little bit of time to get all the lab results back and the toxicology results back. DET. butright now. the cause of her death is pending. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. they haven?t ruled on that yet. But they will. As soon as all the labs DET. results come back. DET. you - you know. you probably know more about that of - DET. those results are gomla be than I do. Because you were with her. DET. uh. it?s my understanding that she had some form of. uh. retinal cancer. DET. we just have to wait and see. It?s not - it?s not. um. as apparent sometimes as some of these cases where they go down there and they have a gunshot wound. It? - it? not that apparent in this case. DET. we just have to wait. DET. And that can take - I don?t - did you talk to them about - did you talk to medical examiner about time period? they said call the police department and isn?t that - you?re with the police department? DET. I am. you would DET. I don?t have answers yet. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. mean that stuff take - that can take like three months. DET. now you guys are going back to Maine. When are you plam1ing on being back out here? that depends on what - what needs to be done. Um. we don?t know. We haven?t looked at anything. yet. of course. DET. And you?re leaxing tomorrow? DET. All right. Yeah well he said you - the services were Tuesday? DET. PAXSON:Scheduled for Tuesday. Once I - I have a hold right now on her body because I hadn?t spoken to you. I hadn?t identi?verbal name that was given to the hospital. So. 11111. once we are done here today. then I will send the letter down there. DET. fax a letter down there saying that we?ve identi?ed you and the body can be released. DET. they can get that back to me. - I - I would have preferred to - to know that - that this order existed last night and maybe you told me. I didn?t hear it but. 11111. and if that? 5 what you needed and that you were gomla - that you did say the autopsy was done but that she was gonna be released. tun. as soon as you DET. had this - I had this as a backup plan in case you didn?t come in. which you didn?t come in. I got a phone call saying you weren?t coming in. So this was my backup plan. I have an open investigation here. Um. with a potential of people leaving the state. And I hadn?t identi?ed you. oh okay. DET. asked you to come in. you said you?d come in at 2:00. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. then I get a phone call at 1:06 pm from your attorney saying you? re not coming in. So this was my backup plan. DET. would allow me to go ?nd you wherever you are and detain you for three hours to get this stuff whether you wanted to come in or not come in. It was my backup plan. DET. that?s - that? typical business in law enforcement. DET. gorma take a chance of having you and your wife -- is she your wife? DET. I wasn?t gonna take a chance of having you leave the state and I didn?t have you identi?ed. DET. PAXSON:Certainly you can widerstand that. DET. is a serious investigation. I understand. DET. So I - I just don?t see why - why you couldn?t have even told me about that last night because I would have come in last night to - to get this because I?m interested in getting her body back to DET. ROBERT: . . .on schedule. DET. I did ask you to come in ?cause I had to identify you and speak to you ill person. Do you recall that conversation? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 12 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Whether I had a court order or DET. - I asked DET. come in so that I could meet with you in - in person and identify you correct? DET. you chose not to. Correct? at that time. I made an appointment and I was planning on coming in. DET. then I spoke with my lawyer. DET. - and that?s what happened since then. DET. DET. and this was my backup plan in case something like that happened. Which it did. Right? DET. you understand or no? If you don?t. then ask me. - no that?s ?ne. No - no I?m fme. DET. - if you?re not clear on it. then ask me but. um. I take this very serious and I wasn?t gonna take a chance of you guys leaving and going to Maine 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 12 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 13 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. PAXSON: and I hadn?t identi?ed you. DET. her. I understand that. Yeah. DET. I checked with the hospital. um. they hadn?t had a picture 11) of you. DET. identi?ed you with any sort of government ID. And 11111. it was just - it was a necessary step. DET. I - I mean I was hoping - I really wanted to not only identify you but kind of get an idea of what? 5 going on here. that?s what I wanted to know. I - I just - which apparently we still don?t know. But I - anyway - I DET. we don?t know about the autopsy DET. you - you should probably have - I would guess - I would assume have a pretty good idea of what happened. I mean. you were with her. DET. - I wasn?t with her. If I would have been with her. I would have a good idea of what happened but I wasn?t there. You - you of all people should have a fair idea of what happened and you don?I?m confused. What - what don?t you understand about her death? - I don?t understand anything. I don?t know why she died and you - that the medical examiner decided to do an autopsy and I thought that they thought that would show something and I was waiting for results because I wanted to know. DET. will show results. But it?s - it?s - I mean this is my understanding. she had a treatment that day. Right? So the - in order to ?nd out if the treatment caused the death. if her ilhiess caused the death. all of that?s gonna have to be done by a lab DET. toxicology results. All of which take lots of time. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 13 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30113, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 14 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. months. right. DET. - you know. it?s just - it?s not a straightforward as like a gunshot wound or a hanging or something visible to the naked that you can see. Okay? Does have a middle name? ROBERT DET. PAXSON Does the medical examiner have that name? DET. they called me speci?cally for that. DET. she has your last name? DET. Do you have any other children? DET. Do you have any questions of me or anything that you?d like me to know before you go back to Maine? I guess I would like a card. DET. ROBERT:(Inaudible) scribbles in my (inaudible). Thank you. DET. course. If you waima call me when you get back there. DET. PAXSONthatever you want. I'm the detective that?s assigned to this case right now. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 14 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 15 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. your copy. And the phone number that I was - that I used to contact you. DET. is that a good number? DET. that the best number to reach you at? absolutely - yeah. DET. PAXSON ROBERTcCorrect. DET. And other than the PO Box. do you have a physical address? ROBERT DET. PAXSON ROBERT DET. PAXSON ROBERT DET. ROBERT DET. ROBERT DET. PAXSON 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 15 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 16 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. mixed it up with my phone number. DET. okay. You?ve had a lot going on. I?m very sorry for your loss. Robert. I can?t even - nobody in this building can fathom what you?re going through. what you and your wife are going through and I am very sorry for that. It? a - it?s very tragic and. um. nobody should ever have to go through that in their lifetime and I?m very - for that I?m very sorry. And I certainly don?t mean to make this any harder on you than it is. Um. and I apologize if it - if it seems that way. Um. but normally when we get called out or investigate these types of things. um. you know. people talk to us and we can kind of put things together. In this case. um. it?s your right and - and you?ve contacted an attorney and that? 5 ?ne. Um. and that? the reason I had to go with the court order. Okay? So I certainly didn?t mean to make this any harder on you. didn?t - I didn?t mean about the court order. I - this right there exactly what you wanted - where you said ID and - and talk to us and I just didn?t know all what that meant and whether I needed a lawyer or not and so that? when - why I DET. part? What part don?t you understand? ROBERT2N0 - no. I understand it. I just DET. this? - I wasn?t talking about DET. I would have liked to know about the court order. I don?t. I mean. I realize the court order gives DET. I didn?t tell you that I needed these things? if that? s. .. DET. if you would you needed to release the body. DET. you would have come I understand. DET. 2:00 - at 2 o?clock and I could have veri?ed your identity somehow. last night we contacted the State of Maine. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 16 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 17 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. to verify your identity through a driver?s license. Tried to verify couldn?t ?nd it through the DET. Couldn?t. DET. couldn?t. Not the - not the contact at the sheriffs of?ce that we contacted. Could not get a picture ID on you. that surprises me a lot. I ?gured you?d have all that wrapped DET. Couldn?t do it. no problem. DET. couldn?t do it. DET. tried to do it. DET. And so. mn. and maybe if we would have had more time and could have made it to the next business day on Monday. maybe could have found somebody that could have helped us out and - and we could have gotten a picture ID of you and veri?ed your identity. Um. but couldn?t get that done and then I?ve got information. you know. from James that you?re leaving on Sunday. DET. hopefully you can put yourself in my shoes and - and - and look at it from your daughter?s perspective and I take this very serious. It?s a - it?s a serious investigation. Whatever route it takes. whatever direction it goes in. it?s a very serious investigation. It?s tragic what happeneddetermine if somebody? responsible for what happened to her. That? 5 my job as a police of?cer. Right? DET. you guys leaving town. I had no choice but to get some identifying characteristics in case you go to Maine and I never see you again. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 17 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 18 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. I understand that. DET. have cases like that. understand that problem. That?s - DET. makes pretty good sense. DET. had - had you come in and I could have veri?ed your identity. I may never have ever served the order. I may never even had to have gone that way. But the phone call I DET. you?re not coming in. DET. I had to. DET. had to tell him I had an order for you. okay? That?s what happened. It?s just a back up. It?s a backup plan. order isn?t why I came in. That? 5 what - that?s not what I?m discussing. DET. Then what?s the issue? really - never mind it?s not important. DET. I?m not understanding it though. Yeah. I?ve said it a few times and I?m just saying it wrong or something. So this is part of why I wanted to get a lawyer. I know I?m not thinking very straight DET. temls of all - anyway. so. I just walma know that I?m not rambling on DET. like they?re wrapping up. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 18 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 19 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. it take that long to get ?ngerprints. DET. they?re getting her DNA. ?ngerprints. he asked all the same questions I asked. DET. um. and maybe she?s choosing to talk to them. I don?t know. DET. PAXSON2Actually it sounds like they?re talking to Joy. Hang on. [Det. Paxson leaves the room and has a conversation with Det. Lockerby across the hall in the other interview room.] DET. DET. hi. DET. DET. - we?re ready for prints whenever DET. do you. um - um - um. Grace -- I?m sorry. name slipped -- is out in the lobby. DET. DET. just waiting. Do you want me to go and. um. deal with. ah. the printing real quick? And you can DET. DET. to. ah. DET. DET. LOCKERBY: . . .real quick? DET. ?ne. Yeah that?s ?ne. DET. I - I literally - I just started getting her information. DET. ?ne. That sounds good. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 19 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 20 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. [Det. Paxson returns to the interview room] DET. [Det. Paxson leaves the interview room.] DET. to Joy Walker across the hall in the other interview room] Okay and do you - you said you work light now at obing.com? JOYsz-hm. DET. what do you do there? do the database. DET. -- are you. like. in IT or something? JOY:Sorta. DET. that? - sort of - it?s kind of. ah. I do data work and reporting. DET. okay. DET. right. the database administration. DET. and do you have a cell phone number? JOY2A11. yeah DET. DET. - okay do you have a home phone? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 20 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 21 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. Okay are you gonna be keeping this number and cell phone for a while? You?re not gonna OYzYeah. DET. it? Okay. DET. well you know what? Um. I?m gonna just go deal with this real quick. And she?s just gonna take over. 0Y20kay. DET. Jolm DET. DET. you can take that back to him DET. DET. DET. DET. to him and grab his prints and I?ll talk to her. DET. yeah. I got it right here DET. DET. you just DET. I?ll just give that back to him - thanks. [Det. Lockerby leaves the room and walks across the hall to the interview room where Robert Maynard is waiting] DET. 110w are you? Sorry to - we're moving around on you but she - this is kind of new to her so I?m gomla be doing this. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 21 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 22 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. correct? DET. right. Um. just let me get set up real quick. This is pretty - pretty easy to do. Um. all I need you to do is just follow - kind of let me do all the work and you just have to just let - keep your hand out okay? DET. your - are your hands clean? DET. have a - you havenanything like that? Okay. Go ahead and put your - each ?nger - what we?re going to do is inkless - all right. So I will put one ?nger at a time and then we will go by right thumb. right - right ?nger. all the way down the line. Do you understand that? DET. Cool. Let?s start off with your right index ?nger. Okay? And just like I said. just be really - really relaxed for me. And we?re just gonna be rolling it like that. Okay? DET. gotta get it on there. All right. Just keep rolling it. There you go. Thumb. Can you get your whole tlnunb on there? Thank you. All right. I know this is kind of awkward. DET. you. Now same thing. Just left. DET. one at a time. if it? inkless. what is it? DET. question. You?re asking the wrong guy. I - I don?t know. Oh can you get your - can you just kind of put it down like that? There you go. And can you just have a seat for me real quick? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 22 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 23 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you. Actually you know what? I?m gonna have to have you stand up again. In a second. In a second. DET. letting it kind of like dry. Want to make sure it looks - good as it?s gonna get. Um. did Detective Paxson get all your information from you? DET. your pertinent infomlation DET. name. your date of birth DET. that good stuff? DET. All I need you to do is just basically sigl right here that I - that you were the one fmgerprinted. DET. the signature part right there? DET. I put the little DET. you. You may have a seat. Did Detective Paxson have any more questions for you? don?t think so. DET. are you done speaking with her for now then? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 23 for any questions regarding this material, SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0113011,, Camera Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ 0 Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:46:03 DET. Okay. I normally leave that there - it?s hers. Hang on tight. [Det. Lockerby leaves the interview room] [Det. Lockerby returns to the room] DET. right. Come with me. ROBERT2A11 right. DET. got everything? Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Page: 24 Added By: PAXSON, DET. Cool. There you go. Um. hang out here for a few minutes (inaudible). you. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Case Number: 13415991? Jk 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 24 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on-ginal of?cer (1273) 1 . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:47:35 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS RETURN PHONE CALL FROM CHAD SHELL ON 3-16-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Attorney Chad Shell CHAD Detective. DET. Chad Shell? CHAD - yeah. DET. CHAD on their way to see ya. DET. they?re coming to the 10225 East Via Linda address? CHAD that the one over by Shea? DET. yes it is. but it?s not - it? not the police station. it?s the Family Advocacy Center. CHAD - they?ve got the address. DET. perfect. CHAD didn?t tell - I - I told?em to how to get over by Shea Boulevard off the 101 but I wasn?t sure where to go from there. DET. CHAD they said they got GPS so they?re 011 their way. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:47:35 Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Supplement Page: 2 Added By: PAXSON, Supplement Information DET. thank you so much. CHAD Thank you. DET. bye-bye. CHAD This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. Case Number: 13-059912 Jk 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT MAYNARD 3-15-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Robert Maynard DET. PAXSONzDetective Paxson. DET. is Robert Maynard I was told I was supposed to call you. DET. Robert thank-you for returning my call. Yeah. I left you a couple messages on your phone. yeah. it died a while back. DET. well I - I - I?m ?rst of all and ?rst and foremost I?m very sorry about your loss and I?m sorry to be calling you this late at night. I certainly didn?t mean for it to get to be this late. But I?m glad you called me back. I?m calling um. because I?m going to have to set up a time and meet with you and Grace. um. I got some questions for you regarding this incident. as? DET. just curious what?s - what - what?s going 011 I mean I have no idea. DET. um. it?s - it?s a death investigation that occurred in our city and we investigate every death that occurs here. Police go out on - on every death that occurs in this city. um. unless it is a medical related death where a doctor signs the death 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: (600) prsoN. certi?cate. And in this case we didn?t - your daughter - your daughter was being treated out of state so this is a medical examiners case. which involves the police. DET. we do a death investigation. It?s standard procedure. um. for me to interview the people that were around when this happened and - and ?gure out what happened. Um. I?m curious as to why either the hospital or the medical examiner why I wasn?t noti?ed at all that I was gomla be speaking to the police about this you - you know. unless there was a problem. DET. there was. uh. there was something that happened that was out of the ordinary and that was the fact that when ?re got called - when 911 was called - and ?re responded the police were not noti?ed. Normally. on these types of cases where a child is not breathing. police are noti?ed immediately as well and they resp- well who was supposed to have done that notifying? DET. don?t know. I?m still trying to ?gure that out. okay. DET. somehow your 911 call - somehow only went to ?re. Why it didn?t come to police. too. is still a mystery to me and I?m still trying to ?gure that out. okay. okay. DET. normally we would have responded ROBERT2S0 that?s the abnormality? DET. that?s where things got a little abnormal. DET. normally. .. DET. would have responded immediately with ?re. would have went to the hospital with ?re. and would have spoke to you while your daughter was at the hospital. Detectives would have been called out that night. I was on call. I would have been called out that night and spoke to you at the hospital. Um. by the time I got the call that night. and was ready to speak to you. it was 2:30 in the morning and I really thought 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. the last thing after losing your daughter is you wanting to talk to police at 2:30 in the morning. So well thanks for that. DET. so I opted to wait. and just got busy doing some other things. um. I didn?t think the autopsy was gonna take place until Monday. um. I didn?t know you were going to be leaving town. so when - when the autopsy took place today and I went down and spoke to the doctor. um. I have some questions. I have a few concerns and I?d like to meet with you and then I ?nd out that your getting ready to leave town. so I de?nitely want to meet with you before you leave town. is there anyway. we can deal with this with Maine police? DET. PAXSON2N0. the funeral or something? DET. This needs to. um. I would like to speak to you before you leave. Maine police aren?t involved. So when do we - 011 - okay ?ne. so when do we do we need to set this up? DET. would you like to. I?m av- I?m still at work here tonight. or we can do it tomorrow whatever works best for you. all right. where - where are you stationed I mean where? DET. Scottsdale. I don?t know if you?re familiar with the area. but Via Linda and Mountain View area. Just off the 101 on Via Linda. just south of Shea. south of Shea? DET. the 101 and Shea basically? and you want to meet at our of?ce or does it matter? DET. PAXSON2N0 - mean your of?ce. DET. PAXSON2Absolutely this would probably be the best environment. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: (600) prsoN. should I. okay. um. do I need to bring a lawyer? DET. ?rst of all I can?t give you legal advice. I am going to be asking you DET. the incident I don?t have a lawyer. I don?t know how fast I could ?nd one if I needed - I?m just wondering if I should start - start trying to get a lawyer lined up. DET. I can tell you - I can tell you don?t know what we?re talking about. DET. Well. I can tell you that you?re not under arrest for anything and I?m not going to arrest you when you come talk to me. DET. I am in the middle of an investigation. What?s gonna happen with this DET. don?t know but I can guarantee you you?re not lulder arrest today and I?m not going to arrest you today. That I can guarantee you. If I was going to do that I would have already found you and done that. do you have any news on the autopsy. yet? DET. as far as toxicology? don?t know what they?re - I thought they were gonna do it today. and the body was g01ma be released so I thought I would have been noti?ed by now. DET. they ROBERT2S0 I was wondering if maybe you knew anything. DET. did do the autopsy today. um. the body has not been released yet. I needed to have the body ?ngerprinted. Okay. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: PAXSON. DET. far as I know. nobody has seen any type of picture identi?cation from either you or your wife or a birth certi?cate um. for - for and you?ve only been verbally identi?ed. So that? 5 another thing I?d like to clear up when I meet with you. DET. right. um. do you have a - a schedule tomorrow. I mean is there a time that works best for you? DET. what works best for you? I gonna have a vehicle tomorrow that I can use? Urn. maybe. uh. maybe sometime in the afternoon? DET. what time? that work? DET. what time like 1:30. 1:00? 1:30. can we do 2:00? DET. o?clock? Okay. Okay. DET. right. DET. you have a pen and paper and I?ll give you my address? hold on. okay go ahead. DET. it?s. I work out of a building called the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center. right. DET. the address is 10 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. ROBERT2225 DET. DET. Linda - two words V-I-A and Linda L-I-N-D-A. Linda. DET. do you have like a Gannin or a Tom Tom. or Mapquest or anything? I can do that. DET. just Google or - or search that address and it will take your right to us. It?s a two-story brown building with green metal doors. and your name was? DET. name is Jennifer Paxson. P-A-X-S-O-N. And you have my phone number but 11 give it to you again. it? - hold on. DET. PAXSON ROBERT DET. All right well. then we?ll see you tomorrow. DET. 2 o?clock. 2 o?clock. DET. and you? 11 bring Grace with you? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Agency: SPD Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 88 Location Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:51:44 Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Case Number: 13-05991? Homicide Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Jk Supplement Page: Added By: PAXSON, Supplement Information DET. Thank you. ROBERT2A11 right. thank you. DET. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS TELEPHONE CALL TO CHAD SHELL ON 3-16-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Attorney Chad Shell CHAD is Chad. DET. Chad this is Jennifer Paxson from the Scottsdale Police Department. CHAD detective how you doin?? DET. well. and sorry I didn?t catch your last name was it Shell? CHAD S-H-E-L-L. DET. PAXSONzPerfect. okay - all right. So I got your message are you coming with them - are they not coming? CHAD right now they?re not coming. DET. CHAD they - they - they what they wanted - they?re kind of distraught DET. couse. CHAD I guess I don?t know who wouldn?t be. DET. course. CHAD they - what they wanna do is - is go back to Maine. they got services planned I think on Tuesday and they wanna do their services as a family and then if need be they?d be willing to come back after that. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. CHAD then I guess. I guess that the medical examiner isn?t gonna release the body yet so. DET. I have a hold on the body. CHAD okay. DET. PAXSONzBecause I haven?t spoken to these people. I haven?t properly identi?ed them. nobody has seen a photo identi?cation of these people. I have tried to get a photo ID or get them identi?ed through Maine and haven?t been able to do that. CHAD DET. I have yet to even meet these people in person. um I haven?t seen a copy of a birth certi?cate. they?re from out of state. if they leave CHAD DET. PAXSON:Obviously you can lmderstand my concern if they leave. I don?t. I haven?t identi?ed them. CHAD you know - that?s the. and I don?t have any problem cooperating there. Our only concern is - is that. um. you?re investigating them for causing the death of a child. DET. I?ll be honest with you. I don?t know where this investigations gonna go. um CHAD DET. PAXSON2they?re not from Arizona but certainly you?re familiar with how things are done in Arizona CHAD SI-IELLzCorrect. DET. any time there?s a death of an 18 month old. the police are gonna be involved and we have to be. CHAD - no doubt. DET. have to - we have to out if there was any wrong doing. if anyone is responsible for this death or if this was something that was going to happen whether anybody did anything or not. CHAD SI-IELLzCorrect. DETcrime occurred. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. CHAD DET. are they gonna be charged. I don?t know. CHAD DET. promised him he was not gonna be arrested when he came in to speak to me. I made that promise to him. Is he gonna be charged later I don?t know. I told him I didn?t know which direction this investigation was going to go. This isn?t something that I?ve ever dealt with. CHAD DET. this is something that is going - de- decisions are gonna be made by people higher up than me. CHAD DET. know the county attomey?s of?ce is gomla be consulted. It?s - it?s a different kind of an investigation and we need to get CHAD how about this- DET. need to - we need to get our facts right. CHAD I fully understand. I guess. in deciding 110w their - to advise my client. uh. is it possible for you to tell me whether there are signs of trauma or is it signs of neglect? DET. would say. um. there is no trauma CHAD Neglect? DET. would say it is neglect and poor. possibly poor decision making. CHAD DET. I don?t know if that?s going to fall on the doctor CHAD DET. PAXSON: and/or the parents. CHAD and - and then if that?s the case if - if we agree that that?s the case then I think that I will want to cooperate 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ts regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. with you because it?s my understanding they have quite a bit of documentation of - of DET. CHAD SHELthhe medical treatment that they?ve attempted. DET. There?s no physical trauma to this child. CHAD DET. but you know. she - lets see what?s the time period - she had the treatment at 3:15 and by 5: 15 p.m. she?s having dif?culty breathing. CHAD DET. um. you know. 911 isn?t called until approximately an hour later. um. and you know CPR is started and - and she? pronounced dead. I mean CHAD DET. PAXSONzwithin 3 to 4 hours of having this treatment. CHAD SHELL2Is there any chance that we could agee that they can go back to Maine tonight and be out at some date in the future with all their documents about what all the treatment they?ve done and then we can sit down. uh. me and my client and then I - I?ve told them that I can?t represent both of them - the husband and the wife - I can only represent one and maybe she should get an attorney and we sit down as a group. answer your questions and go through the documentation with you. DET. would. that would be ?ne. CHAD DET. however. I don?t feel comfortable with them. returning to Maine where I haven?t identi?ed them. CHAD DET. my understanding that. they have a history of going places and refusing to sign documents. refusing to register. provide any type of documentation as to prove exactly who they are. CHAD DET. fact and - and I?ll be honest with you. um. whether they cooperate today or not. I have two physical evidence orders of detention to get their buccal swabs. major case prints. and identifying photographs in case they do leave the state and I?m 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. left here with an investigation. potentially a felony investigation CHAD DET. I haven?t identi?ed the parents. CHAD Um DET. I got copies they?ve been signed by a judge and I CHAD DET. will ?nd them before they get on a plane. CHAD and I?ll tell them that?s something we got to take care of. DET. can either cooperate and come in or I will ?nd them before they get on a plane. CHAD - my advice to them has changed since talking to you. so. DET. CHAD okay. send them over there to you will you take care of that without asking them any questions? DET. you coming with them? CHAD SHELL2N0. I don?t want to come over there. DET. CHAD then. and then we?ll agree to - that. um. you have all their information. um. and we will agree once you got- DET. you?re gonna - you?re gonna advise them not to talk to me. but if they get here and they change their mind. CHAD right. I understand. DET. not gomla act in your shoes. CHAD Iknow. DET. not my job. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. CHAD know. Right. I know. DET. all right. CHAD right so. but. you agree you?re not going to arrest them you?re just going to do the - the DET. am not arresting them CHAD DET. already spoken to the county attorney CHAD DET. at this point in the investigation. um. we have a lot of work to do. CHAD know. I know. but they DET. I don?t know which direction this is gonna go CHAD understand. DET. I?m gomla be honest with you. CHAD understand and - and - but here?s - as a family they wanna get back to Maine and do the services. I guess. the. a lot of the family has already left they?ve driven back and - and it? 5 my understanding that their both willing to come back here. at a future date. DET. . .yeah. CHAD and but - it - I don?t know how you wanna work that. DET. - well and CHAD you know who they are and then you?ve got all their information I - DET. then I will - I will - if they don?t come back then CHAD know DET. will proceed with my investigation 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) prsoN. CHAD DET. PAXSON: and they will come back whether they want to come back or not CHAD SHELLzCorrect. DET. already spoken with the county attorney and on a Class 2 or 3 CHAD - who?s the county attorney you?re talking to? DET. Gadow the Bureau Chief of Family Violence. CHAD DET. CHAD right. DET. PAXSON: he has assured me that if - on a Class 2 or 3 felony - that the county attorney?s of?ce would extradite. CHAD they?ll extradite on that - they?ll - they?ll extradite. DET. I?m not too concerned once I get them identi?ed CHAD DET. once I get them identi?ed. I don?t have a problem releasing the body. CHAD DET. until I?ve positively got these people identi?ed. certainly you can understand my position. CHAD SHELL2I do. DET. PAXSON2A11 they?ve done is given me verbally a name. CHAD All right let me - do you have a number I can call you back at DET. CHAD you?ll be at for sure. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:53:09 Added By: (600) PAXSON, DET. - yep it?s my direct line here - CHAD DET. PAXSON CHAD DET. PAXSON CHAD DET. right thanks. CHAD DET. bye. CHAD me talk to them. DET. CHAD bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:57:24 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS PHONE CALL TO DR. GRABOWSKI ON 3-19-13 Detective Jennifer Paxson #600 "Maureen" (staff member at Dr. Grabowski?s of?ce in Boston. MA) Recording2Please enter your MAUREEN:(Unintelligible) this is Maureen. DET. Maureen my name is Jennifer Paxson and I?m a Detective with the Scottsdale Police Department in Arizona and I was calling for Dr. Grabowski. It?s my understanding that. um. he had a patient named DET. um. we have a criminal investigation out here in Arizona involving that little girl and his name was given to me by Dr. Sarah Fryberger. okay. um. Dr. Grabowski is in his lab. if you wanna hold a moment I DET. if he?s available. DET. you. I?m sorry. what was your name? DET. PAXSONzJennifer Paxson and I?m with Scottsdale PD in Arizona. hold just a moment. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 15:57:24 Added By: (600) prsoN. DET. you. Dr. Grabowski is just on the other line. is there a number where he can give you a call right back? DET. that would be great. it?s MAUREEN DET. PAXSON MAUREEN DET. PAXSON MAUREEN and - and is that your direct line? DET. it is. I?ll get that right to him. DET. you. okay welcome. bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:04:07 Added By: (600) prson, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS PHONE CALL TO JAMES WALKER ON 3-15-13 Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 James Walker This is James. DET. James. Um. this is Jennifer Paxson. I?m - I?m a detective with the Scottsdale Police Department. yeah hi. DET. I?m sorry to call you so late. but I?m trying to reach or ?nd Robert Maynard and the number that I am calling he - I haven?t heard back from him. DET. you know where he?s at? yeah he went out to dinner. DET. he?s supposed to be back. 011. well supposed to be back from him - or head back here in a little bit. Um is everything okay? DET. I mean we?re - I?m just following up 011 the death of his daughter. But DET. - I - I left him a couple messages. um. I would like to meet with him. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:04:07 Added By: (600) PAXSON. I know I - I think his cell phone died. uh. couple hours ago so. DET. Um. JAMES:CUnintelligible). DET. are they staying? they?re well they?re - they?re actually staying with me and my DET. in North Phoenix so. DET. and where are you guys at? we?re - we?re up in North Phoenix in. uh. outside Central Phoenix. DET. well if we want to come and talk to them. can I have your address? yeah. I have no problem with you guys. um. coming to talk with them of course. I?m a little concerned giving my phone number out over the - over the phone though. DET. want to call back and verify who I am? I - you - I?m sorry you want me to call back and DET. Is that your concern? You want to verify that I?m a police of?cer? I would just call back and who would I talk with? DET. you w- 11 give you our non-emergency number. And then ask them. um tell them that you?re calling Detective Paxson at extension and that you are calling to verify my identity okay. DET. you would like to be transferred to me. and they?ll transfer you right to me. I?m. yeah - yeah. I?m really - maybe I?m just thinking too (inaudible) - um DET. sorry? 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 01.30113, Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:04:07 Added By: (600) PAXSON, I'm just thinking too (inaudible) - I don?t know - yeah can I - that would be great. Wha- what was that number? DET. the um. the non-emergency number is DET. DET. to the Scottsdale Police Department. and my name is Detective Jennifer Paxson P-A-X-S-O-N. My badge number is 600 sorry hold on one second. U11. and ev- is - is every- and is everything okay I mean? DET. obviously things are not okay I mean died DET. we need to talk to them and - and get some information. DET. PAXSON2I mean she?s 18-months-old so I?d say things are pretty much not okay with that situation. of course yeah. Um. okay I?m sorry your name is Jennifer Paxson? DET. 11111. yeah let me call that number and - and I just ask for your - I just ask for you? DET. tell them that I?m working at my desk and that you were calling to verify my identity and you?d like to be transferred to me. my extension is JAMES DET. uh. yeah. DET. be right here. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0113011,, Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:04:07 Added By: (600) PAXSON, JAMES:Alright thanks. DET. you bye-bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:06:31 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS PHONE CALL TO ROBERT MAYNARD ON 3-15-13 AT 8:30 P.M. Det. Jennifer Paxson #600 Robert Maynard?s Voice Message enter your You?ve reached Master?s Touch. Please leave a message with your name and number and I?ll call you back. God Bless. the tone please record your message. When you are ?nished recording you may hang up or press one for more options. DET. This message is for Robert Maynard. Robert my name is Jennifer Paxson and I?m a detective with the Scottsdale Police Department. Um. I?m calling ?rst of all - and ?rst and foremost - um. I?m so sorry about your loss. I?m calling regarding the death of your daughter and I have some questions for you and I would like to meet with you and Grace. My phone number - my direct line is . It?s about 8:30 pm on Friday night. Um. I apologize for calling so late. I was at the autopsy today and - and doing some other things on this case and um. I?d like to meet with you. Again. my names Jennifer Paxson. Thank you. Bye-Bye. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Cn'me Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:08:18 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED DETECTIVE: J. Paxson #600 INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS PHONE CALL TO ROBERT MAYNARD ON 3-15-13 AT 9:00 P.M. Det. Jelmifer Paxson #600 Robert Maynard?s Voice Message enter your authori You've reached Master?s Touch. Please leave a message with your name and number and I?ll call you back. God Bless. the tone please record your message. When you are ?nished recording you may hang up or press one for more options. DET. Robert. It?s Detective Paxson calling back again. just trying to reach you. It?s almost 9 o?clock now. My phone number is . Thank you. This transcript has been reviewed with the audio recording submitted and it is an accurate transcription. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 of Phone Records During the investigation. I obtained phone records for Robert Maynard. Grace Daniel. Dr. Martha Grout. and Steven Swerdfeger?s cell phones. I also obtained records for the landline at Dr. Grout?s practice. the . The following is a of the comt orders I obtained and the information I received back from the phone companies. Robert Maynard and Grace Daniel?s Cell Phones On 6-25-13 I obtained a court order from the Scottsdale City Court 189). The order was for subscriber information and transactional call detail records related to Robert?s cell phone: and Grace?s cell phone: for the time period of February 1. 2013 through March 31. 2013. The order was faxed to US. Cellular on 6-26-13. On 7-8-13 I received an email from Camesha Daniel. a Subpoena Specialist. regarding U.S. Cellular?s response to court order According to the records I received from US. Cellular. both Robert and Grace?s cell phone numbers were registered to Robert?s father. Todd Maynard. and the business. Master?s Touch. in . Both numbers had been active since June 2006. I reviewed the Call Detail Records (CDRs) related to Robert and Grace? 5 cell phones and discovered they made and received hluldreds of calls between February 1. 2013 and March 31. 2013. In order to identify who they called and who called them during that time period. I utilized a variety of sources to identify who the phone numbers in the CDRs belonged to. The sources I utilized included contact lists from Robert and Grace? 5 cellphones. known phone numbers from people involved in the investigation. and the Internet. I also obtained some additional court orders for subscriber information. The following is a list of some of the more common and/ or pertinent numbers I identified in the CDRs related to Robert and Grace? 5 cell phones: Todd and Deb Maynard (Home) Dr. Sarah Fryberger (Cell) Maine Children?s Cancer Program Mayo Regional Hospital Dr. Christopher Maloney Maine Medical Center Maine Medical Center Todd Maynard (Cell) Dr. C. William Lavin Deb Maynard (Cell) 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera Agm" SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON. Eastern Maine Medical Center Eastern Maine Medical Center An Oasis of Healing (Fax) An Oasis of Healing Bruce Walker (Home) American Anti-Cancer Institute Mike Daniel Laurie Daniel Joy Walker Phoenix Children?s Hospital Envita Natural Medical Center Bruce Walker (Cell) James Walker Dr. Martha Grout?s (Cell) Simone Protective Cancer Center Euro Med Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary Dr. Shizuo Mukai Massachusetts General Hospital Massachusetts General Hospital Dr. Eric Grabowski Massachusetts General Hospital Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary Hope4Cancer Institute Clinic Delta Airlines Once I had identi?ed who the phone numbers belonged to. I reviewed the CDRs and determined that many of the calls Robert and Grace made and received during that time period were to their family and ?iends. whose names were saved in their contact lists in their cell phones. Those people included Todd and Deb Maynard: Mike and Laurie Daniel: James and Joy Walker: Bruce Walker: Joshua. Clarissa. Jason. Josh White. Betsy. Carl. Scott. Kennedy. Hall. Ryan. Dale. Tracy and Dan Furay. Grandpa Joe. Grandma Chris. Brent. Rach. Daniel. O?Donnell. Chris Adams. David and Linda Shafero. and Abigail. See Det. Litch?eld?s forensic report for further regarding Robert and Grace? 5 contact lists. There were also many calls in the CDRs that were to and from various medical facilities. doctors. and treatment centers. Those calls were present throughout the CDRs. primarily in the records related to Robert? 5 cell phone. both during the time the Maynards were in Maine and during the time they were in Arizona. I also noted several calls to and from Delta Airlines in the CDRs. The following is a summary of the calls related to this investigation: On February 19. 2013 at approximately 1:47 while the Maynards were still in Maine. there was a call made from Robert?s cell phone to An Oasis of Healing in Mesa. AZ. The call lasted for approximately 3 minutes. Then a few minutes later. Robert?s cell 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 ® DV ® Child Abuse ® Arson ® Homicide Agency: SPD ® Hate Crime ® Elderly ® Gang Related Incident / Investigation Report ® ® On-Body Camera Case Number: 13-05991 Liquor Est. CHILD/VUL ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT -- MURDER Reported Location 03/13/2013 23:24 8841 E Bell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Officer (1273) MCCANN, C Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Supplement Page: 3 Added By: (600) PAXSON, J phone received an incoming call from An Oasis of Healing. The call was received at approximately 1:53 p.m. and it lasted for just over a minute. That same day, there were also two outgoing phone calls made from Robert`s cell phone to Envita Natural Medical Center in Scottsdale, AZ. The first call was made at approximately 2:03 p m. and it lasted for a little over a minute. The second call was made at approximately 2:10 p.m. and it lasted for about 10 minutes. On February 25, 2013 at approximately 1:00 p.m., there was an outgoing call made from Robert`s cell phone to Delta Airlines. The call lasted for approximately 2 minutes. There were also three more calls between Robert`s cell phone and Delta Airlines that afternoon. The first call was from Delta to Robert. It was received at approximately 1:05 p.m. and it lasted for about 5 minutes. The second call was from Robert`s cell phone to Delta. It was made at approximately 1:12 p m. and it lasted for about 3 minutes. The third call was from Delta to Robert. It was received at approximately 1:19 p.m. and it lasted for about 13 minutes. The phone calls between Robert and Delta Airlines that day confirmed the information Pam Fears provided regarding how the Maynards contacted Delta on February 25, 2013 to re-schedule their flight for 2-26-13. It should be noted, s post-op appointment was with Dr. Lavin on February 25, 2013 at 11:30 a m., which was prior to any of the conversations between Robert and Delta Airlines that day. During that appointment, Dr. Lavin told Robert and Grace that the tumor had spread outside the globe of s eye and she would need chemotherapy, probably radiation. He told them the next step would be to stage the tumor to determine the type of treatment would need. When Dr. Lavin told Robert he would arrange for Dr. Fryberger to see immediately and stage the tumor, Robert told him, "Well, I have to go to Arizona tomorrow." Dr. Lavin said Robert told him they had a wedding they had to go to, but he said they would be back to Maine on Friday March 1, 2013. According to the phone records, Robert didn`t contact Delta to re-schedule their flight to Phoenix until 1:00 p m. that day, which was after s appointment with Dr. Lavin. Furthermore, according to Delta Airlines` records, Robert and Grace`s return flights from Phoenix were always scheduled for Monday March 4, 2013. At no time were they ever scheduled to return to Maine on or before Friday March 1st. Lastly, James and Joy Walker`s wedding, the wedding Robert and Grace took to in Arizona, took place on Saturday March 2, 2013. It`s not reasonable to believe Robert and Grace traveled to Arizona for the wedding, but then planned to return to Maine before the wedding took place. Based on the information obtained from Delta, Robert and Grace`s phone records, and James and Joy`s wedding program, it is believed Robert told Dr. Lavin he would return to Maine on March 1, 2013 to appease him. However, despite the fact that he was advised that needed immediate evaluation; Robert had no intention of returning to Maine that week. See the records from Delta Airlines, my emails from Pam Fears, and the transcripts from my interview with Dr. Lavin for further. Between February 26, 2013 and March 7, 2013 Robert`s cell phone received three incoming phone calls from Massachusetts General Hospital. The first call was received on February 26, 2013 at approximately 5:59 p.m. (EST), which was during the time Robert and Grace were traveling from Maine to Arizona. The call lasted for approximately 7 minutes. The other two phone calls were received while Robert and Grace were in Arizona. The first call was received on February 28, 2013 at 11:28 a.m. It lasted for 34 seconds. The second call was received on March 1, 2013 at 1:54 p.m. and it lasted for 16 seconds. Both calls went unanswered and went to voicemail. It should be noted, Dr. Grabowski works at Massachusetts General Hospital. Based on the information he provided during my interview with him, it is believed those calls were from Dr. Grabowski. The call on February 26, 2013 is believed to be Dr. Grabowski`s initial call to Robert after he found out that Robert and Grace took to Arizona for a wedding. During that conversation, Dr. Grabowski told Robert, "The wedding is not as important as your child`s life. You should get back to Maine as soon as possible because she needs urgent evaluation. Her life is at risk." Dr. Grabowski said when Robert didn`t return to Maine, he attempted to reach him again by calling him on his cell phone. He said Robert didn`t answer his calls, but he left messages regarding how urgent it was be evaluated. The two incoming calls to Robert`s cell phone on February 28th and March 1st are believed to be calls from Dr. Grabowski at Massachusetts General Hospital. They went to voicemail. See the transcripts and summary of my interview with Dr. Grabowski for further regarding his conversation with Robert Maynard and the 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 4 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: (600) prsoN. messages he left for him on his cell phone. On February 27. 2013 Roberts cell phone received two incoming calls from Eastern Maine Medical Center. Dr. Fryberger works at EMMC. It is believed these calls may have been from her. The ?rst call was received at 1:07 m. It lasted for 7 seconds and went to voicemail. The second call was received later that day at 4:59 p.m. It lasted for about 6 minutes. Based on the information Dr. Fryberger provided during my interview with her. it is believed that was the call she made to Robert to talk to him about how urgent it was to have tumor staged. Between February 28. 2013 and March 5. 2013 Roberts cell phone received two incoming calls from Dr. Sarah Fryberger?s cell phone. The ?rst call was received on February 28. 2013 at 4:52 p.m. It lasted for 1 minute and 10 seconds and it went to voicemail. Based 011 the information Dr. Fryberger provided during my interview with her. it is believed that was the phone call she made to Robert to notify him of the appointment she arranged for with Dr. Hingorani at Phoenix Children?s Hospital. The second call was received 011 March 5. 2013 at 5:48 p.m. It only lasted for 5 seconds and it went to voicemail. See the summary of my interview with Dr. Fryberger for further regarding her phone calls to Robert. Between February 28. 2013 and March 4. 2013 Roberts cell phone received three incoming phone calls from Phoenix Children?s Hospital. The ?rst call was received on February 28. 2013 at 4:55 just minutes after Dr. Fryberger had called Robert to advise him of appointment at PCH. That call lasted for 54 seconds and it went to voicemail. The second incoming call from PCH was received on March 1. 2013 at 11:15 a m. It lasted for 48 seconds and it. too. went to voicemail. The third call was received on March 4. 2013 at 9:06 a 111. That call lasted for a little over 14 minutes. Based on my interview with Carol Davis and Michael Tinmlons at PCH. it is believed that was the conference call they made to Robert Maynard. at which time they spoke to him about the amormt of time the staging process would take. See the transcripts and summary from my interview with Carol Davis and Michael Timmons for further regarding their phone conversation with Robert that day. Between February 27. 2013 and March 7. 2013. Robert?s cell phone received (17) incoming phone calls from Dr. Lavin: (1) on 2-27-13. (8) on 2-28-13. (2) on 3-1-13. (2) on 3-4-13. (1)011 3-5-13. (1)011 3-6-13. and (2) on 3-7-13. During my interview with Dr. Lavin. he provided information regarding his multiple conversations with Robert during that time period. He also provided me with his notes from some of those conversations. as well as some of the messages he left for Robert. Based on the information and documents he provided. it is believed that many of those calls to Robert were to speak to him about the severity of 5 condition and the urgent need for her to be staged. Dr. Lavin offered to assist by arranging the staging. either in Maine or Arizona. He also offered to assist by writing a letter to the airlines to expedite the Maynards? return to Maine. Dr. Lavin? last conversation with Robert was on the evening of March 7. 2013. During that conversation. Dr. Lavin said Robert advised him that they had decided to stay in Arizona. He said Robert told him. "We?re gorma have treatment down here." Dr. Lavin said when he asked Robert about the type of treatment and who was going to provide it. Robert didn?t answer. See the notes Dr. Lavin provided. along with the transcripts and summaries of my interviews with him. for further regarding his conversations with Robert Maynard and the messages he left for him 011 his cell phone. There were also several calls to and from Dr. Christopher Maloney in Robert CDRs. The majority of those calls occurred in February while the Maynards were in Maine. However. there were three calls from Robert 5 cell phone to Dr. Maloney on February 28. 2013 while Robert and Grace were in Arizona. The ?rst call was made at 9:56 a m. It lasted for 50 seconds and went to voicemail. The second call was made at 10:13 a m. It lasted for approximately three minutes. The third call was made at 11:38 a m. It lasted for 1 minute and went to voicemail. Based on the information Dr. Maloney provided during my interview with him. as well 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 4 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Incrdent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 5 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON. as the notes he provided. February 28. 2013 was the day Robert contacted him and asked him for his opinion regarding the results of surgery. Dr. Maloney sent Robert an email that day which stated he had reviewed the results and he believed a lumbar puncture spinal tap to check to see if there were any tumor cells in spinal ?uid was a very reasonable thing to do and he would support getting one completed as soon as possible. See the notes Dr. Maloney provided. along with the transcripts and summary of my interview with him. for further regarding his conversation with Robert Maynard that day. While the Maynards were in Arizona. they received several phone calls from various alternative and integrative medical facilities and institutes. including Envita Natural Medical Center. Euro Med. the Clinic. Hope4Cancer Institute. Simone Protective Cancer Center. and the American Anti-Cancer Institute. Two of the phone calls were from Envita Natural Medical Center to Robert?s cell phone. Those calls were received on 2-27-13 and 2-28-13. All of the other calls were to Grace?s cell phone. Euro Med and the Clinic contacted her on 3-1-13: Shea Medical contacted her on 3-4?13: Hope4Cancer contacted her on 3-5-13 and 3-12-13: the Simone Protective Cancer Center also contacted her on 3-12-13: and the American Anti-Cancer Institute contacted her on 3-14-13. The fact that the calls were all "incoming" calls to Grace?s cell phone suggest that Grace. or someone on her behalf. previously contacted the facilities and institutes listed above to request information and provided Grace?s cell phone number as a contact. It should be noted. the call from the Hope4Cancer Institute on 3-5-13 lasted for over 30 minutes. The call from them on 3-12-13 lasted for approximately 7 minutes. Hope4Cancer is an alternative cancer treatment center located in Mexico. The clinic offers a variety of alternative treatments. including Laetrile. There were also (5) calls from the and (1) call ?'om Dr. Martha Grout?s cell phone in Robert and Grace?s CDRs. The ?rst two calls from were to Grace?s cell phone. They were received on 3-1-13. The ?rst one was received at 10:16 a n1. The call lasted for 1 minute and went to voicemail. The second one was received at 3:42 pm. and it lasted for about 5 minutes. The third call from was to Robert?s cell phone. It was received on 3-4-13 at 4:00 pm. It lasted for 1 minute and went to voicemail. The last two calls ?om were to Grace?s cell phone on 3-5-13 and 3-15-13. The call on 3-5-13 was received at 3:11 m. It lasted for 26 seconds and went to voicemail. The call on 3-15-13 was received at 10:02 am. It lasted for about 5 minutes. The call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Grace?s cell phone was received on Saturday 3-16-13 at 5:59 pm. and it lasted for a little over 11 minutes. Based on information Shelly Heinley. the patient liaison at provided during my interview with her. it is believed that the calls to Grace?s cell phone on 3-1-13 were made to schedule a free 15-minute consultation with Dr. Grout and the call to Robert?s cell phone on 3-4-13 was the actual consultation. The calls to Grace?s cell phone on 3-15-13 and 3-16-13 occurred after 5 death. There was no information discovered during the investigation to detemiine the exact reason for those two phone calls. However. it should be noted. 3-15-13 was the day of autopsy and 3-16-13 was the day we served the physical evidence orders on Robert and Grace. The call on 3-16-13 occurred after we met with Robert and Grace that day and after Grace had set her blog to "private". Later. when I obtained Dr. Grout?s cell phone records. I leamed she received a call from Grace?s cell phone at 5:58 pm. that evening. The call lasted for 37 seconds and went to voicemail. Based on that information. it is believed Grace may have contacted Dr. Grout that evening to notify her of Scottsdale involvement in the investigation. She left a message for Dr. Grout and then Dr. Grout returned her call at 5:59 pm. As I reviewed the CDRs related to Robert and Grace? 5 cell phones. I noticed there were some known outgoing phone calls that were not included in the records. Particularly. Robert? phone call to on 3-13-13 when Dr. Grout advised him to bring back to the clinic. On 3-18-14 I contacted Camesha Daniel at US. Cellular regarding the discrepancy. According to Ms. Daniel. US. Cellular does not provide cellular service in Arizona. As a result. US. Cellular customers who make calls from their cell phones while they are in 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 5 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investrgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 6 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: (600) prsoN. Arizona actually utilize cell towers that belong to another phone company. Those calls are then considered "roaming" and are not captured ill U.S. Cellular?s records unless. the call is made to another U.S. cellular mobile phone that is actually in its home area. That call would then be captured on the US. Cellular tower that the call utilized in its home area. So. data related to the calls Robert and Grace made to family. ?iends. or any other US. Cellular customer while they were in Arizona was included in their CDRs. For example. data from the calls Robert made to Dr. Maloney on 2-28-13 was included. However. any calls they made from their cell phones while they were in Arizona that were not to US. Cellular customers were not captured. For example. Robert? 5 call to Dr. Lavin on 3-7-13 and his call to on 3-13-13 were not captured or recorded in the CDRs because those calls would have utilized a cell tower belonging to another phone company. It should be noted. the times listed in the call detail records I received from US. Cellular were in Eastern Standard Time (EST). Between February 1. 2013 and March 9. 2013. EST was two hours ahead of Arizona. Then on March 10. 2013 at 2:00 a m. daylight savings time began. Since the state of Arizona doesn't participate in daylight savings time. the difference between the two time zones then became three hours. The times listed in this surmnary re?ect the actual time the Maynards made or received the calls. whether they were in Maine (EST) or in Arizona. I preserved the records I received from US. Cellular by copying them onto a CD. which was later impounded as evidence. Dr. Martha Grout?s Cell Phone On 2-10-14 I obtained a court order from the Scottsdale City Court The order was for subscriber information and transactional call detail records related to Dr. Martha Grout?s cell phone: for the time period of February 1. 2013 through May 31. 2013. The order was faxed to on 2-11-14. On 2-17-14 I received an email from regarding their response to court order According to Martha Grout was the subscriber for cell phone number and her account had been active since 7-20-09. I reviewed the records I received from Regarding the events that occurred on 3-13-13. which was the day died. I leamed the following: At 5220 p.111. and again at 5:31 p.m. that evening. Dr. Grout?s cell phone received two incoming phone calls from the main phone number at . The call received at 5:20 p.1n. lasted for 4 minutes and 42 seconds and the call received at 5:31 p.m. lasted 1 minute. There was no activity on her cell phone again until 6:13 1n. when she received an incoming phone call from Ray Purselley?s cell phoneThat call lasted for 49 seconds. Between 6:14 m. and 6: 15 pm. there were three outgoing phone calls made from Dr. Grout?s cell phone. The ?rst two calls were made to . which was later identi?ed as being Deborah cell phone number. Ms. Murphy is a Nurse Practitioner at She is also Dr. Jolm Murphy?s wife. The first call to Ms. Mluphy was made at 6: 14 m. and it lasted for 4 seconds. The second call to her was made at 6: 15 pm. and it lasted for 7 seconds. The third outgoing phone call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone during that time period was made to Dr. Jolm Murphy?s cell phone. . That call was made at 6: 15 pm. and it lasted for 1 minute and 57 seconds. There was no activity 011 Dr. Grout?s cell phone between 6: 17 pm. and 6:40 1n. Then. at 6:41 111. there was an outgoing phone 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 6 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 2 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON. 1 call made to Dr. Grout?s husband. Steven Swerdfeger?s cell phone. . That call lasted for 41 seconds. Based on the information Steven provided during my interview with him. it is believed that call was made by Jen Katona. the nursing supervisor at Steven said he received a phone call from Jen that evening on Martha?s cell phone. During that conversation. he said Jen told him. that was breathing slowly and they were concerned. The next activity on Dr. Grout?s cell phone occurred at 6:50 111. when an outgoing phone call was made to 911. That call lasted for 2 minutes and 18 seconds. See the transcripts and audio recordings from the 911 call for further. At 6:52 p.m. there was another outgoing phone call made to Steven Swerdfeger?s cell phone. Based on the information Steven provided during my interview with him. it is believed that call was also made by Jen Katona. Steven told me Jen called him again from Martha? 5 cell phone to tell him that they had called 911 and they were on their way to the hospital. The next activity on Dr. Grout?s cell phone occurred at 6:58 p.m. when an outgoing phone call was made to Ray Purselley? 5 cell phone (0 seconds). Then. at 6:59 m. Dr. Grout? 5 cell phone received an incoming phone call from Ray?s cell phone. The call lasted for 1 minute and 26 seconds. There was no activity on Dr. Grout?s cell phone again until 7:22 p.m. when an outgoing phone call was made to Dr. John Murphy?s cell phone. The call lasted for 7 minutes and 3 seconds. Then at 7:31 p.m. there was another outgoing phone call made to Dr. Murphy. That call lasted for 6 minutes and 8 seconds. It should be noted. arrived at Scottsdale Healthcare?s Emergency Room via ambulance at 7: 15 m. and she was pronounced dead at 7:56 p.m. According to Jackie Stockton. R.N.. Dr. Grout and 5 parents accompanied her and were present in the ER that night. Based on that infomration. it is believed the two phone calls made from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy?s cell phone occurred while Dr. Grout was at the hospital and emergency personnel were still attempting to revive There was no activity on Dr. Grout?s cell phone between 7:38 p.m. and 8:56 m. At 8:57 p.m. there was an outgoing phone call made to . which was later identi?ed as Jen Katona?s cell phone. The call lasted for 54 seconds. That was the last call documented in the CDRs for that evening. I reviewed the rest of the CDRs related to Dr. Grout?s cell phone and determined there was no activity. either incoming or outgoing phone calls. between her cell phone and Dr. John Mluphy?s cell phone between 2-1-13 and 3-13-13. After the incident. however. there were ?ve phone calls between their two cell phones. The ?rst call was an incoming phone call from Dr. Murphy?s cell phone. That call was received on 3-20-13 at 5:01 in. and it lasted for 18 seconds. Then at 5:51 p.m. that evening. there was an outgoing phone call made from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy?s cell phone. That call lasted for 7 minutes and 37 seconds. It should be noted. the ?rst time I interviewed Dr. Murphy about the incident involving was on 3-20-13. The call from his cell phone to Dr. Grout?s cell phone that day occurred after my interview with him. The next phone call between Dr. Grout and Dr. Murphy occurred on 3-21-13. There was an outgoing phone call made that evening from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy? 5 cell phone at 9:08 p.m. The call lasted for 5 minutes and 56 seconds. It should be noted. 3-21-13 was the day we served the search warrant at We concluded the warrant that evening at 7:40 m. The call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy?s cell phone occurred after we left Then on 4-2-13 there was another outgoing phone call made from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy?s cell phone. The call was made at 9:01 a.m. and it lasted for 3 minutes and 16 seconds. It should be noted. 4-2-13 was the day Det. Lockerby and I served the search warrant on Robert and Grace? 5 residence in Maine. We arrived at their house that day at 9:50 a.m. (6:50 a.m. Arizona time) and gained entry at 10:30 a.m. (7:30 a.m. Arizona time). The call from Dr. Grout?s cell phone 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 7 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatron Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 8 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: (600) prsoN. that day to Dr. Murphy? 5 cell phone occurred while we were serving the warrant at the Maynards? residence in Maine. The last phone call between Dr. Grout?s cell phone and Dr. Murphy?s cell phone occurred on 5-4-13. There was an outgoing phone call made that day from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Dr. Murphy?s cell phone. The call was made at 9:34 am. and it lasted for 1 minute and 5 seconds. There were also two calls listed in the CDRs between Dr. Grout?s cell phone and Grace Daniel?s cell phone. On 3-16-13 at 5:58 p.m. there was an incoming phone call from Grace?s cell phone. The call lasted for 37 seconds and went to Dr. Grout?s voicemail. Then at 5:59 111. there was an outgoing phone call made from Dr. Grout?s cell phone to Grace?s cell phone. That call lasted for 11 minutes and 13 seconds. It should be noted. 3-16-13 was the day Detectives Lockerby. Heinzehnan. and I met with Robert and Grace at the Scottsdale Family Advocacy Center and served the physical evidence orders on them. Grace?s phone call to Dr. Grout occurred after we met with them that day. There were no phone calls docmnented in the CDRs between Dr. Grout?s cell phone and Robert Maynard?s cell phone. Dr. Grout?s cell phone records from were preserved onto a CD and impounded as evidence. Steven Swerdfeger?s Cell Phone On 2-10-14 I obtained a court order from the Scottsdale City Court The order was for subscriber information and transactional call detail records related to Steven Swerdfeger?s cell phone: for March 13. 2013. The order was faxed to on 2-11-14. On 2-18-14 I received an email from regarding their response to com?t order According to Martha Grout was the subscriber for cell phone number and the account had been active since 7-20-09. Upon reviewing the CDRs. I detennined there were two incoming phone calls from Martha Grout?s cell phone 011 the evening of 3-13-13. The calls were consistent with the infomlation provided for Martha Grout? 5 cell phone: . The ?rst call was received at 6:41 1n. and it lasted for 41 seconds. The second call was received at 6:52 m. and it lasted for 27 seconds. As stated earlier. based 011 the information Steven provided during my interview with him. it is believed that both of these phone calls were from Jen Katona. See the transcripts and interview summary from my interview with Steven for further. In addition to the two calls from Jen Katona. there were three calls between Steven Swerdfeger?s cell phone and Ray Purselley?s cell phone. . The ?rst call was an incoming call from Ray to Steven. The call was received at 6:47 m. and it lasted for approximately 5 minutes. The second call was an outgoing call from Steven to Ray. The call was made at 6:53 p.m. and it lasted for 3 minutes and 42 seconds. The third call was an incoming call from Ray to Steven. It was received at 7:52 p.m. and it lasted for 4 minutes and 36 seconds. Steven Swerdfeger? 5 cell phone records from were preserved onto a CD and impounded as evidence. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 8 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera Agm" SPD Incrdent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/?13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 9 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON, On 2-24-14 I obtained a court order from the Scottsdale City Court The order was for subscriber information and an AMA Dump related to the main telephone number: on March 13. 2013. The order was faxed to Cox Communications on 2-25-14. On 3-6-14 I received a fax from Cox ommlmications regarding their response to coru't order According to Cox. the phone number was assigned to the located at . in Scottsdale. AZ. The number had been active since 6-27-12. The primary point of contact listed on the account was Michelle LaBlonde. I reviewed the records Cox provided and learned that on the evening of 3-13-13 the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine received three incoming phone calls from Grace Daniel?s cell phone: . The calls were received at approximately 5:18 5:20 and 5:31 111. Based on the phone records obtained from Cox: information obtained during interviews with staff and Joy Walker: and 3 patient ?le. which was seized during the search warrant at it is believed Robert utilized Grace?s cell phone to call the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine that evening at approximately 5:18 pm. was closed and it is unknown whether he received a recording or spoke to someone. The call lasted for 1 minute and 22 seconds. Robert then called back at 5:20 m. That call was then forwarded to Dr. Martha Grout? 5 cell phone: and it lasted for 4 minutes and 48 seconds. It is believed that was the phone call in which Robert informed Dr. Grout that was "crying and not acting right." Dr. Grout then advised him to bring back to which he and Grace then did. The third call from Grace?s cell phone to was made that evening at 5:31 pm. That call was also forwarded to Dr. Grout?s cell phone and it lasted for 1 minute. It is believed that call was made as the Maynards were arriving back at Dr. Grout then met them in the parking lot and escorted them back into the building. The phone records I received from Cox Communications were preserved onto a CD and later impounded as evidence. Additional Phone Orders The following is a list of additional court orders I obtained from Scottsdale City Court. All of the orders were for subscriber information related to phone numbers found in Robert. Grace. and Dr. Grout?s CDRs. was obtained on 2-24?14 for telephone munbers: . It was faxed to on 2-25-14. 0n 3-15-14 I received a fax from regarding their response. According to the subscriber for the numbers was Deborah Mluphy. Dr. John Murphy? 5 wife. The subscriber for telephone number was identi?ed as Philippo Pagnotta. However. the user listed for that phone number was identi?ed as Ray Purselley. the CEO of the was obtained on 2-24?14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Verizon on 2-25-14. On 2-26-14 I received an email from Angela Evans regarding Verizon Wireless? response. The email contained a link for me to access phone records. which included subscriber infomlation for cell phone number . According to Verizon. the subscriber related to that number was Jennifer Katona. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 9 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW tor OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Came Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. [1 00-30.13, Camera Agency? SPD Incident Investigation Report Case Number? 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'ginal Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 10 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: PAXSON. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone numbers . It was faxed to that same day. identi?ed the phone number as belonging to Dr. Martha Grout when they responded to court order However. no response was received regarding court order As a result. no information was obtained regarding the other two phone numbers. 2014081 was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Bandwithcom that same day. 011 4-7-14 I received an email from Bandwidthcom. According to the infomlation they provided. the phone number listed above was utilized by a wholesale customer. who ill turn may have assigned the munber to a separate end user. All requests for records related to the phone number were to be forwarded to XCast Labs. Inc. in California. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone munbers . It was faxed to Verizon Wireless that same day. On 4-1-14 I received an email from Verizon regarding their response to the comt order. According to Verizon. belonged to Bruce Walker in Gilbert. Verizon had no records for the other two phone munbers. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Comcast Cable Communications that same day. On 4-8-14 I received a fax from Comcast. According to their records. the phone number belonged to Benjamin Soule in Mount Laurel. NJ. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Pine Tree Networks that same day. On 3-28-14 I received an email from Megan Cobleigh. legal assistant. at OTT Communications. Attached to the email were phone records. According to OTT Communications. the phone munber was registered to Maine Medical Center in Portland. Maine. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone munbers . It was mailed to FairPoint Communications that same day. On 4-7-14 I received a fax from Hank Grablewski at Neustar. According to Neustar? 5 records. the phone munbers belonged to Eastern Maine Medical in Bangor. The third number. was not a Fairpoint number. As a result. no records were available for it. 2014086 was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Sprint that same day. On 3-31-14 I received an email from Matilde Vidal. a subpoena specialist at Sprint. According to Ms. Vidal. Sprint had no records for that phone number. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone munbers . It was faxed to US. Cellular that same day. On 3-28-14 I received an email from Soly Haddock at US. Cellular. Attached to the email were phone records for the numbers listed above. According to US. Cellular. the subscriber for was Angela in Portland. ME: the subscriber for was Nellie Kennedy in Ripley. and the subscriber for was Joshua Vl/hite in Sangerville. ME. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was faxed to Verizon that same day. On 3-28-14 I received an email from Verizon. According to their records. that phone number belonged to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 10 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) . Supplement Information Supplement Page: 11 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:11:37 Added By: (600) PAXSON, was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was mailed to West Penobscot Telephone and Telegraph that same day. On 4-10-14 I received a fax from Michelle Zur?uh at IDS Telecom. According to the infomlation she provided. the phone number belonged to Joshua and Christie Whitcomb in Corinna. ME. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone numbers . It was mailed to Communications that same day. On 4-4-14 I received an email from Communications. which stated that both the phone munbers listed above belonged to the Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston. GA. was obtained on 3-27-14 for telephone number . It was mailed to Communications that same day. On 4-3-14 I received an email from Communications. which stated that the phone number belonged to Massachusetts and Ear In?rmary. All of the court orders and phone records listed in this summary were preserved and later binned onto a CD. which was then impounded as evidence. End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 11 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:19:21 Added By: (600) PAXSON, 1 Supplement Notes DEATH INVESTIGATION ASSIGNED Paxson #600 IWII IERSUIVIMARY On 6-6-13 I received and email from Anthony Nieto regarding Twitter? 5 response to search warrant SW2013-015047. According to Twitter. the screen name for Grace?s account was GraceOnPurpose. The account was created on 12-29-12. The email address associated with the account was and the User ID assigned to the account was . Twitter provided login history for the account for the time period of 4-7-13 through 5-9-13. During that time. Grace?s Twitter account was accessed thirteen times. They also provided infomlation. including content. for 127 Tweets associated with Grace?s account between the 12-29-12 through 5-9-13. I reviewed the Tweets and noted that the majority of them were motivational and/ or religious quotes or messages. Some of the Tweets were about the use of essential oils. which were promoted by the business "MastersTouchOil". There were several Tweets about her doctor appointments. the Maynards? trip to Arizona. and Grace?s blog. . However. none of the tweets speci?cally addressed treatments for cancer or the events that occurred at with Dr. Grout on 3-13-13. The following is a summary of the tweets related to and the investigation: should have paid better attention to the location of the tissue box and my 16 month old daughter. She?s excitedly emptied the whole box." 1-8-13:" is currently fascinated with belly-buttons. I need to teach her she can?t just lift people?s shirts to check theirs out." said to ?Say duck! Robert. ?Goose.? Me. ?Goh.? Robert always wins." 2-3-13:" has ?gured out how to pick her nose! She can get fmgers in both nostrils at the same time. I am such a proud mother." for Boston 7am. I?ve got a nasty headache and still have more to pack. Will probably go to sleep and get up early to ?nish." now speci?c prayer request for to take her naps and sleep through the nights! She?s overtired and wound up. She needs rest." was able to get to sleep after an hour of coaxing. Pray for a long and restful nap please!" 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:19:21 Added By: PAXSON. 1 2-13-13:" 5 ?rst nap didn?t last very long. Attempted a second but it didn?t go so well. I shall attempt again. do what yur mama says! 2-14-13: "Yesterday was rough getting to nap. She got to sleep last night. woke a few times. brought her in bed with us. she?s still sleeping 2-15: 13:" slept from 7pm to 8:30am. Thankful she got good rest. Just sad I can?t feed her anything in prep for general anesthesia at 1 pm." up and getting ready to leave for appt. is hanging in there pretty well with an empty stomach. Please pray for peace." home! It?s about a 4 hour drive. Look forward to sleeping in my own bed tonight. I?m sure feels the same past week has felt like ages. I wonder how long it will be until life returns to some sort of nomral. It feels like life is on hold. ready to leave for surgery scheduled at 7:30. We should be able to go home today. YHVH is good and His mercies endure forever!" 2-22-13: "Surgery went well. took longer than expected. is doing great. We?re packing up to head home." 2-23213: has been sleeping most of the day. but she's doing better. She?s a little loopy from the meds. but she?s ?nally perking up! *smiles*" 2-24-13: "I?m so in love with my little girl! She ?lls my heart with bubbly joy- so glad she?s feeling better! Her smile is like sunshine 2-24-132" is starting to talk! She?s actually saying words and repeating what we say! She?s gotten so sharp so fast- Hallelujah for His healing!" to see Dr. Lavin this morning to have the bandages removed. will be much happier to have all that tape o? her face." wish wasn?t so obsessed with technology. Right now she?s pressing every button on the camera. She managed to photo me typing this." out! Sulmy Arizona. here we is so warm and bright! And is trying to hijack my status with her little ?ngers. Everyone seems tired except 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-Body Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:19:21 Added By: (600) prsoN. than 3hrs b4 the epic wedding! So glad 2 with my entire family. especially in dry. sunny. 80 degree weather! My heart is thankful." and wheat REALLY BAD ACNE. So hard to eat right when away from home so long." 3-16-13:" LOVED animals. I miss sharing her delight and excitement and hearing her cute squeals over every cat. dog. bird. lamb. donkey. horse. etc." imagine cuddled up in the furry mane of a tame lion. I know when we see her again. she? 11 show us all her new animal friends." currently set my blog to private for personal reasons. I?m sorry for any inconvenience. Hope to have it public again soon." up in my own bed after 11 hours of sleep was really nice. The past few days have been rough. especially with Sunday?s travel." sorry to have taken my blog down and that you can?t read any of my posts right now. Hopefully it will be back up soon. this is temporary." 4-24-1 3:"1 miss End of summary. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 01.30.13, Camera SPD Incrdent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031'131?2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:22:31 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes Death Investigation Assigned Detective: J. Paxson #600 WordPress.com Summary On 6-25-13 I received an email from Mindy Morton. Senior Counsel at Procopio. Cory. Hargreaves Savitch LLP. a law ?rm in California. regarding WordPress.com?s response to search warrant SW2013-015046. In her email. Ms. Morton stated she had provided all the available requested information. which included subscriber information. creation date. account status. email address associated with the account. log-in history and associated IP addresses. all photographs and attaclnnents: all blogs. images. links. posts. favorite lists. follower lists. and direct messages related to Grace?s blog. (a k.a. "Grace On Purpose). Ms. Morton said it appeared the user was still using the blog. but now had it marked "private". She told me all attempts to retrieve information posted to the account after the account was set to "private" were unsuccessful. As a result. these posts were not included in the information she sent to me. In addition. Ms. Morton said there were 43 posts that were deleted on 4-5-13 between 17:00 and 19:00 UTC (12:00 pm. and 2:00 pm. Eastern Standard Time). The content from those posts was not available. either. I reviewed the information Ms. Morton provided and learned the following: the Blog URL was identi?ed as and the email associated with the account was . The blog was created on 7-1-10 from the IP address I reviewed the blogs from and noted they spanned a period of about three years and they covered a variety of topics. including knitting. nursing. diet/ nutrition. essential oils (Young Living Essential Oils and Masters Touch Oils). faith. relationships. books. and the Bible. Although the words and phrases "retinoblastorna". "eye disorder". "eye tumor". "alternative cancer treatments". and "eye surgery" had been "tagged" and were included in the information Ms. Morton sent me. there were no speci?c blogs about those topics. There was. however. a blog about Breast Cancer Awareness. In that blog. which was dated October 23. 2011. Grace wrote about her opinion as it related to The following is an excerpt from that blog: never knew anything about mammograms until recently. Not sure how I was so misinformed. but I had this bizarre idea that it was some machine that felt your breasts for lumps. Of course. any woman can self-examine herself. so I can?t fathom how I thought that women would pay money to have a machine do it for them. No. I leamed that mammograms are like x-rays. which give off tons of deadly radiation. In fact. one is the equivalent of 1.000 x-rays! If you get one every year. as many recommend. that would be a heck of a lot of radiation! Who in their right mind thinks that?s a good Radiation actually CAUSES cancer? The statistics prove that women who routinely get mammograms have a higher chance of developing breast cancer! Well. It is in these moments when I can?t possibly comprehend how the rest of society does not think like me. because I believe in what looks to me like 100% total common sense. Radiation=bad. Mammograms=radiation. Therefore. manmiograms=bad Pretty basic algebra. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. 0n-30dy Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 031?13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) 1 Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:22:31 Added By: (600) prsoN. right? It is also in moments like these when my blood boils in such anger at the greedy individuals in high places who. UNDECEIVED AND INTENTIONALLY. promote deadly drugs and equipment in order to make a large pro?t. I?m not a hell-?re preacher in the least. but these men and women will have a lot to answer to 011 judgment day. So. what can women do to prevent breast cancer? And WHY are mammograms being pushed? Here are a few links and videos. To sum it up. 1. AVOID MAMOGRAMS 2. check your vitamin levels to make sure you?re getting enough 3. eat a healthy diet. plenty of fresh whole foods and little or no sugar 4. avoid deodorants that contain altuninum 5. avoid underwire bras 6. breast-feed your babies 7. avoid estrogen products. especially birth control pills. I realize cancer is a sensitive subject. so don?t get offended at me for rejecting the common beliefs about it. Instead. study it for yourself. Look at the evidence. and don?t shoot the messenger." I also found several blogs that con?rmed what Joy Walker had told me regarding how Grace was a researcher. Those blogs included the following: In a blog dated July 2. 2011. Grace wrote. "For the past year. I have been working on a series of writings regarding the Torah. I?ve spent a lot of time and energy researching this subject and now I would like to share with you what I?ve learned. I?ve purposefully waited on publishing any of my "?ndings" until I was able to fully explain my scriptural convictions and address all the common rebuttals." In a blog dated January 17. 2012. Grace wrote about using cloth diapers and how she was currently in the process of researching cloth sanitary pads for herself. In a blog dated March 20. 2013. Grace provided her opinion regarding "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Chronicles of Narnia". She wrote about how both stories had been "hailed" by followers of Jesus Christ as being Christian stories. She then provided her opinion on the matter. Grace wrote. "After spending much time studying this topic for myself. I must add my voice to the unpopular minority that vehemently rejects these common views. Before you spit at your computer monitor and quickly dash your mouse pointer to the button. please hear me out. I don?t really enjoy sharing the following information. In fact. I resisted it for quite some time. Like many people. including many Christians. I was a huge fan of the Rings and Narnia series. I was emotionally invested in the stories and defended their alleged Christian status. But the more I saw the blatant pagan and occult themes. the less appetizing these stories became. I?ve had to take my emotions and feelings out of the way and view this as an objective student of the truth and of God? 5 word. This persistent knack for researching to the very bottom of things always ends with me discovering uncomfortable and unpopular news that I simply cannot keep to myself. I may lose the approval of man and miss out on their "fun". but doing what is right feels way better. Nothing can take away the satisfaction in my soul that comes from obeying my Lord. There were a few blogs. which mentioned The most recent one was from February 4. 2013. In that blog. Grace also mentioned their trip to Arizona. She wrote. "January was full and yet my blog has been empty I feel like a real nerd for neglecting my blogging lately. I have recently begun many drafts and have even completed one. but have yet to post it (I like to read my posts to my husband before publishing. and I just haven?t gotten arormd to it). We?ve spent the past week being sick and now I?m trying to pull the house back together and get some steady meals going again. I am very thankful that this is the ?rst time we?ve gotten sick this season. as many around us have already been sick once or twice. Out of our family of three. has seemed to deal with it the best. She?s just so amazing. I couldn?t ask for a better little girl! I have been reading the Bible consistently (except for the past week) in the past couple months and have managed to get halfway through. It? 5 been very exciting and I?ve been leaming a lot. and of course. I have a gazillion more questions than when I ?rst started. I can?t wait to share with you some of the stuff I?ve formd and my hilarious looking "Abraham family tree" chart in my notebook. Also. I have much to share about my thoughts on 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material. El DV El Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate cn'me Elderly El Gang Related El um Est. 0n-Body Camera Agm?y' SPD Ineldent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ on'gina] Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 3 Date Added: 02/01/2015 16:22:31 Added By: (600) prsoN. mostly personal acceptance. In the past month I have also discovered my true predominantly Melancholy personality (used to think I was predominantly Phlegmatic but I was pretty wrong). This new realization is both a joy and a pain in the butt. I also have some happy news regarding my health. I have found the homeopathic remedy of Silica to be just what I need. at least for now. In many ways I feel like a new person! And on top of everything. we are going to Arizona in a few weeks for my sister? 5 wedding. I look forward to seeing the family and getting some warm sunshine So. if I can manage. I hope to be posting new blogs soon. In the meantime. I?m pretty happy that I consistently get a high number of blog views each day. even though I haven?t posted in ages. My Forks Over Knives post has gone through the roof and is now my highest viewed post. Everybody wants to know if animal protein is bad for them. The truth is. I didn?t really answer the question in that post. I just blew up all the deceiving conclusions of Forks Over Knives. One day I do hope to address the topic correctly. and I have already started a post regarding the Bible? view of vegetarianism. (I feel like I?m becoming more of a nerd Until we "meet" again. I remain yours truly." None of the blogs Ms. Morton provided in response to the WordPress.com search warrant contained information about Laetrile. amygdalin. or Vitamin B17. nor did any of them contain speci?c information about retinoblastoma and/ or alternative treatments for cancer. I compared the information Ms. Morton provided to the blogs Det. Heinzehnan. Det. Lockerby. and I preserved 011 3-16-13 before Grace?s was set to private. In doing so. I identi?ed 16 blogs about her condition. treatment. and doctor appointments. dated 2-9-13 through 3-15-13. that we had preserved that weren?t included in the information Ms. Morton provided. It is believed those 16 blogs were among the 43 blogs deleted on 4-5-13. End of 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 3 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. calmly Camera v. . . . SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report case Number- 13'05991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Found 03/13/"2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Original Of?cer (1273) MCCANN. Reported (33/13/2013 23:24 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ Location Supplement Page: 1 Added By: PAXSON, Supplement Information Date Added: 02/01/2015 18:07:00 Jk Supplement Notes The following documents are attached: Physical Evidence Orders: SW2013-002453 SW2013-002454 Search Warrants: SW2013-015028 SW2013-015040 Maynard Residence in Maine AZ warrant) Penobscot County SW (Maynard Residence in Maine ME warrant) SW2013-015046 (W ordpress.com) 2013-015047 (Twitter) SW2013 -01 5048 (Electronic Items) Phone Orders: C2013189 C2014034 C2014035 C2014043 C2014044 C2014045 C2014080 C2014081 C2014082 C2014083 C2014084 C2014085 C2014086 C2014087 C2014088 C2014089 C2014090 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investlgatlon Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT MURDER Reported 03/ 13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 2 Date Added: 02/01/2015 18:07:00 Added By: PAXSON, 1 (32014091 Misc. Items Delta Airlines Subpoena (602 GJ 141-001) Labor and Birth Summary Air Bill SHC Records Letter to OME 3-15-13 Letter to OME 3-16-13 Autopsy Report 1 3-01905 Letter from Dr. Lavin to Investigator Ramirez Kennebec County Court Order - Dr. Maloney 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 2 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related um Est. Ongody Camera SPD Inc1dent Investigation Report Case Number- 1345991 ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 05/23/2015 13:33:42 Added By: (600) PAXSON. 1 Supplement Notes On 5-27-15 I contacted Autumn Hodge. Administrative Secretary for the Scottsdale Fire Department. and obtained a copy of the Patient Care Report (PCR) related to 5 response to the Arizona Center for Advanced Medicine (AZCAM) on 3-13-13 (SFD Incident Number: 13080725). Upon receiving the PC R. I reviewed it and noted that in the narrative section of the report. Fire?ghter Paramedic Joe esatko wrote about information he received from the doctor on scene. He wrote. "Dr. on scene stated she gave a drug to pt earlier in the day and parents brought pt back and pt went into cardiac/ respiratory arrest." I then contacted Fire?ghters Joe esatko and Paul Downing by email to see if either of them recalled what drug the doctor administered to the patient that day. FF Paul Downing was at work when I sent the email and he called me. He told me he de?nitely remembered the incident. FF Downing said when they arrived at AZCAM that day. the doctor was performing chest compressions on the child. The child wasn?t breathing and her heart was not beating. He said the doctor. who was a female. told them that she had given the child a "new" drug earlier that day. FF Downing said the doctor provided them with the name of the drug that she gave the child. but he wasn?t familiar with it. He said he knew it wasn?t a narcotic. but he couldn?t recall the name the doctor provided that day. FF Downing said the doctor followed the ambulance to the hospital. He said he then introduced her to the ER doctor. Dr. Samaddar. so that she could provide him with any additional information she had about the child. The next moming. I received a phone call from FF esatko. He told me he. too. recalled the incident. FF Jesatko con?rmed what FF Downing told me regarding how the child wasn?t breathing. nor was her heart beating when they arrived on scene. He said he recalled the doctor stating she had given the child a drug that was "supposed to target cancer cells and release cyanide". FF esatko said he recalled thinking to himself that sounded strange because how could a person control which cells were targeted by cyanide. He said he didn?t recall the name of the drug. but he remembered that the child had a history of retinoblastoma. FF esatko said the doctor told them that she gave the child the drug earlier that day and then the parents brought the child back to her of?ce because the child wasn?t acting right. FF esatko said the doctor followed the ambulance to the hospital. He said he recalled seeing and hearing the doctor talking to someone in the ER about an injury and o?ering homeopathic advice while the ER staff was in a treatment room trying to revive the child. A copy of Patient Care Report (Incident Number 13080725). which was last amended on 3-15-13. is attached to this report. End of supplement. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 SCOTTSDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT - Use of this document ls regulated by LAW for OFFICIAL USE ONLY. for the original purpose requested. Contact the originating agency for any questions regarding this material, DV Child Abuse Arson Agency: SPD Homicide Hate Crime Elderly Gang Related Liquor Est. Ongody Camera Incident Investigation Report ADULT ABUSE-NEGLIGENT MURDER Reported 03/13/2013 23:24 Found 03/13/2013 19:56 Occurred 03/13/2013 15:45 Location 88 Bell Rd. Scottsdale. AZ original Of?cer (1273) Supplement Information Supplement Page: 1 Date Added: 07/26/2015 04:35:00 Added By: (707) LOCKERBY, Case Number: 13-05991 Jk Supplement Notes attached is the Charging Document and Form NS for Defendants Grout. Robert Maynard. and Grace Daniel. 03/16/2016 12:09 Page 1 FOˇENSIC SEˇVICES DIVISION TECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS ˇEPOˇT POˇICE DEPARTMENT Page 1 of 2 Dˇ#: 13-05991 TYPE OF INCIDENT: DEATH UNDEˇ INVESTIGATION Lab#: ˇ13-03-01534 Request #: 0001 CONTACT PEˇSON: Detective ˇeal #771 DATE: 03/14/13 LOCATION OF INCIDENT: 9003 E Shea Blvd LOCATION OF SCENE: Morgue BUSINESS NAME: SHC-Shea EVIDENCE: EVIDENCE COLLECTED: Digital storage card Item #B1386-1: 1 - Compact Flash Card #17 PHOTOGˇAPHY Image No. 1 2 3-19 DESCRIPTION Placard Establishing Victim DETAILS: On 03/14/13 at 0130 hours, I arrived at 9003 E Shea Blvd, SHC-Shea. Upon my arrival, I spoke to Detective ˇeal #771, who explained that this would be a Medical Examiner death investigation. The victim, who was identified to me as by Detective ˇeal, was located in the morgue. The victim was zipped in a white plastic body bag with a paper identification tag tied to the zipper and a second one lying on top of the bag. The victim was wrapped in a white sheet and had a paper identification tag tied to the left big toe. There was a white towel folded under the head. Under the torso was a tan dress that had been cut off. The victim was lying in the supine position and the arms were straight down and the legs were bent at the knees with the feet facing towards each other. The left eye was closed and the right eye was partially open and the mouth was open. There was a clear tube coming out of the left nostril that was held in place with white tape. There was a breathing tube coming out of the mouth that was held in place with tan tape. On the left thumb was a pulse-oxygen monitor that was held in place with tan tape. On the inner left elbow was an IV that was held in place with clear tape. On the right wrist and left ankle This report contains the results, interpretations and opinions of the below signed examiner. All measurements are approximate unless otherwise noted. CRIME SCENE SPECIAˇIST SIGNATURE AND ID#: SUPERVISOR/REVIEWER SIGNATURE AND ID#: 3/15/13 Kristen Oleksik, Crime Scene Specialist B1386 Mark Carpenter, ˇead Crime Scene Specialist B630 13-05991 DEATH UNDEˇ INVESTIGA Page 2 of 2 were white plastic identification bracelets. There were AED patches on the center chest and the upper center back. On the right front shoulder, the left chest and the left abdomen were heart monitor patches. On the front right shin was an IV. The right eye had a purple/brown discoloration to it and the left eye was a normal color. I was advised that the victim had retinal cancer. The body was cold to the touch. Rigor mortis was fixed. ˇividity was consistent with the position and was fixed. I took photographs of the victim. CRIME SCENE SPECIAˇIST SIGNATURE AND ID#: SUPERVISOR/REVIEWER SIGNATURE AND ID#: Kristen Oleksik, Crime Scene Specialist B1386 Mark Carpenter, ˇead Crime Scene Specialist B630 3/15/13 FOˇENSIC SEˇVICES DIVISION TECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS ˇEPOˇT Page 1 of 1 Dˇ#: 13-05991 TYPE OF INCIDENT: DEATH UNDEˇ INVESTIGATION POˇICE DEPARTMENT Lab#: ˇ13-03-01534 Request #: 0002 CONTACT PEˇSON: Detective Paxson #600 DATE: 03/15/13 LOCATION OF INCIDENT: 701 W Jefferson St LOCATION OF SCENE: Autopsy Room BUSINESS NAME: Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office EVIDENCE: EVIDENCE COLLECTED: Other: (B1386-2) Fingerprint Sheet Digital storage card Item #B1386-3: 1 - Compact Flash Card #45 PHOTOGˇAPHY Image No. 1 2-5 DESCRIPTION Placard Victim Maynard DETAILS: On 03/15/13 at 2125 hours, I arrived at 701 W Jefferson Street, Phoenix, Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office. Upon my arrival, I spoke to Breck Young, who released the victim to me. I was advised via telephone by Detective Paxson #600, to fingerprint the victim. The victim was identified to me as Maynard by Breck Young. She was located in a zipped white body bag and also within a clear plastic bag. I used regular black powder and fingerprinted the victim. I also took photographs of the victim. This report contains the results, interpretations and opinions of the below signed examiner. All measurements are approximate unless otherwise noted. CRIME SCENE SPECIAˇIST SIGNATURE AND ID#: SUPERVISOR/REVIEWER SIGNATURE AND ID#: 3/16/13 Kristen Oleksik, Crime Scene Specialist B1386 Mark Carpenter, ˇead Crime Scene Specialist B630