MINUTESCOLORADOWATERCONSERVATIONBOARDMEETINGSTABLEOFCONTENTS1MeetinqNo158AprilI1970MinutesofBoardMeetingofJanuary141970unanimouslyApprovedReportbyMrSparksreProposedOperatingcriteriaforColoradoRiverReservoirsStatementbyMrMosesreSameSubjectStatementbyMrRobertFischerreSameSubjectGeneralDiscussionreSameSubjectMotionMadeandSecondedtoApproveCommentsandRecommendationsofCOloradoNewMexicoutahandWyomingreProposedOperatingCriteriaasOfficialpositionofBoardDiscussiononMotionMotionUnanimouslyAdoptedFurtherDiscussionreSameSubjectPresentationandReportbyMrCrandallreRegion4BureauofReclamationActivitiesReportbyMrSparksreFloodPlainZoningResolutionPertainingtoBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreekStatementbyMrMiltNelsonreSameSubjectAnswerbyMrSparksreMrNelsonsStatementStatementbyMrMadonnareSameSubjectStatementbyMrDieffenderferreSameSubjectMotionMadeandSecondedtoApproveResolutionreSameSubjectAdditionalRemarksbyMrSparksreSameSubjectMotionUnanimouslyAdoptedStatementbyMrTenEyckreStateFloodPlainZoningGeneralDiscussionreMrTenEycksStatementReportbyMrSparksreResolutiontoAuthorizeprojecttoImproveSouthPlatteRiverChannelDenvertoFtMorganColoradoReportbyMrCharlesFThomasOmahaDistrictcorpsofEngineersreSameSubjectGeneralDiscussionreMrThomasReportProposedAmendmentbyCorpsofEngineerstoResolutionreAboveSubjectReadbyMrSparksMotionMadeSecondedandUnanimouslyPassedtoApproveResolutionasAmendedreAboveSubjectStatementbyMrStapletonreBoardparticipationonWaterPollutionControlcommissionpaqe67416741674n67466747675167516751675267546768676867696770677367756775677667766777677867796781678367846784 Meetinq 158 No April 1 continued 1970 Paqe Motion Made unanimously Carried and Seconded Vandemoer Approve Resignation of Mr Berthelson ment of Mr Board as to and Appoint Representative on Pollution Control commission Water 6785 by Mr Ten Eyck re Same Subject s Moses Report by Mr Attorney 6785 General Discussion 6788 Statement by Statement Engineer GeneraY Discussion Smith Director Report Rio Grande Compact of Rio Grande River on Mr re Report by General Discussion Report by re 6788 Report and Moses Mr 6791 Statement s s Moses Meeting and Operating Criteria Administration State Mr re William Smith Mr 6786 Mr Mr re Sparks 6791 Sparks s Budget for Board re F 71 1970 Y John Martin Reservoir Permanent 6799 Pool General Discussion Next 6801 Subject Sparks Including Report by Mr Narrows Project 1970 in Denver Board Meeting Set for June 3 Further Director Resolution re Same s Flood plain re Zoning Resolution re Appendix 159 No Motion Made Boulder Appendix Project on Improvement South Platte River rado on and 6804 6805 South 6B06 A Boulder Creeks Meetinq June Seconded of Channel of Morgan Colo to Ft Denver 6808 B 3 1970 and Resolution to Unanimously Passed to Present Goodwin in Appreciation of Craig His Services as Member of Board Introduction of new A Board Member Lee E Ford by Mr to Pre Motion Made Seconded and unanimously Approved Suitable Resolution Edwin C Motion Made 6813 6813 Stapleton sent 6794 on Johnson to Members and Seconded to the Death of Governor of His Approve Minutes of Board as Submitted Meeting April Motion unanimously Approved Presentation by Mr Fred A Mark re U S Soil of 1 1970 servation Service Activities General Discussion re Mr 6814 Family Mark s 6814 6815 Con 6815 Presentation 6832 COLORADO WATER CONSERVATION BOARD MEETING Summit ROOll Quality Motor Hotel Denver April I Colorado 1 1970 Attendance Board Members Present Benjamin Fred V F Stapleton Kroeger Felix L Sparks Clarence E Richard B James D Burr Williams Geissinger Duke W Si Berthelson Vandemoer William R for Smith Herbert H C T Pickrel E W Vice Chairman Durango Director Secretary Board Member Denver Walden Board Member Grd Board Member Denver Member Hooper Member Rio Blanco Member Sterling Member Denver Junction Board Board Board Board Kuiper J Hugh Denver Dunbar Cornelius C Quincy for Chairman Ten Eyck Ford Board Member Rocky Board Member Denver Board Member Gunnison Board Members Absent Craig Goodwin A Others Attendinq R Moses J Lee Atty P ord E Harold C Anderson Ralph Adkins A W Frederick J WIn I Smith Wayne F J R E F Throm Barkley Phipps for eweB Uncompahgre UncOllpahgre Montrose Val W U A Montrose Steel Corp USDA River Basins River Basins USDA CF I USDA Boulder Val W U A River Basins SCS No Colo W C D No Colo W C D Pueblo Denver Denver Denver Loveland Loveland Ted Moulder Moore John E USGS Denver USGS Denver Robert c Longenbaugh Larry Nelson Milt Nelson Charles L ThOll son Pt s u Dist 6 Boulder Creek S E C W C D collins Lonqmont Longmont PueblO OthersAttndinqconinuedCNFeastJRRiterDLCrandallIvaIVGoslinJGOdellLesterDSpringerLewWilliamsGordonScheerAnthonyJoeMadonnaWaylandJWalkerJoeGarrettEdSmithEHGillilandDuaneDHeltonFrancisMBellIvanWeseoattTJLongleyWASchulerKennethLBroadhurstCliffordHJexFrankSamMaynesLDMorrillKennethBalcombJWRobinsALFurmenRobertWFischerHarveyBlichmannLRichardBrattonTKDieffenderferDonHamburgRobertDGowerRichardLTeedStanleyAMillerCharlesFThomasColoWaterCongressUSBurofReclaReg4BurofReclaUpperColoRivCommSCSFWPCASWWCDColoWaterCongressBoulderCtyPlanDeptDenverRegionalCouncilLeagueofWmVotersDoloresWCDDoloresWCDWREngrCWCBWREngrCWCBColoGameFishPksWREngrCWCBDenverWaterDeptDenverWaterBoardSWWCDSWWCDDeputyDirCWCBColoaivWCDReg4BurofReelaReg7BurofReclaDenverWaterDeptPubServCoofColoUpperGunnisonRivWCDCityofBoulderDivofWaterResDivofWaterResPrinEngTechCWCBSupvWREngrCWCBOmahaDistCorpsofEngineersprinClkewCBOfcMgrcweBMaryBradyLeeKeatingDenverDenverSaltLakeCitySaltLakeCityDenverDenverNorwoodDenverBoulderDenverDenverDoloresYellowJacketDenverDenverDenverDenverDenverDenverGrdJunctionDurangoDenverGlenwoodSpgsGrdJunctionDenverDenverGrdJunctionGunnisonBoulderDenverDenverDenverDenverOmahaIDenverDenverI IICOLORADOWATERCONSERVATIONBOARDMEETINGMINUTESSummitRoomQualityMotorHotelDenverColoradoApril11970ThemeetingwascalledtoorderbyChairmanStapletonat1000AMMRSTAPLETONWellcallthisregularlyscheduledmeetingoftheColoradoWaterConservationBoardtoorderTheminutesofthelastmeetingoftheBoardonJanuary141970havebeenpreviouslysenttotheBoardArethereanyadditionsorcorrectionstotheminutesassubmittedIfnotIllentertainamotionthattheybeapprovedasdeliveredtoyouMRBERlHELSONImoveapprovaloftheminutesassubmittedMRRBWILLIAMSIllsecondMRSlAPLBIONIthasbeenregularlymovedandsecondedthattheminutesoftheBoardmeetingofJanuary141970beapprovedassubmittedAllthoseinfavorwillsignifybysayingayeopposedsoorderedWiththeBoardspermissionIthinkwewillrearrangetheagendaslightlytoallowsomeequipmenttocomeforRegion4SoletsgotoAgendaItem3RecommendationsreCommentsonProposedCriteriaforOperationofColoradoRiverReservoirsLarrywillyoutakethisitempleaseMRSPAlUSIMrChairmanwewerenotabletogetthefinaldraftofthepositionofthefourUpperBasinstatesresolveduntillastFridayWethereforewerenotabletomailthatpositionstatementtotheBoardmemberspriortothismeetingHoweverthefinaldraftisalmostidenticalwithwhatwassenttotheBoardmemberspreviouslyalthoughoneortwo rathersignificantchangesweremadeasIwillpointoutThecommentsfromtheGovernorsoftheFourUpperBasinstateswererequestedtobesubmittedtodayTheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionmethereinDenverlastFridayandagreeduponthepositionoftheCommissionGovernorLoveparticipatedinthatmeetinganditwasaresultofcertainaspectsthathepointedoutinthecriteriathatsomeimprovementwasmadeAbouttwoweeksagotheAdvisorycommitteemethereinDenveranddiscussedtheproposedcriteriaatsomelengthMrFischerisherechairmanofthecommitteeandwillmakeareportonthesubjectthismorningIAstheBoardmemberswillrecalltheupperBasinstatesinsistedthatsomeresolutionbemadepertainingtothelongrangeoperationoftheColoradoRiverreservoirsparticularlytheintegratedoperationofLakeMeadandLakepowellItwasatourinsistencethatSection602wasinsertedintheColoradoRiverBasinprojectActenactedbycongressin1968ThatsectiondirectedtheSecretaryoftheInteriortopromulgatelongrangeoperatingcriteriafortheColoradoRiverreservoirsandtopublishthemnotlaterthanJulyI1970TheactalsorequiredthattheSecretarysubmithisproposedcriteriatotheGovernorsofthesevenColoradoRiverBasinstatesfortheircommentsandthatthecommentsweretobesubmittednotlaterthanApril1ofthisyearTheSecretarydidproposecriteriaandsubmittedthemtotheGovernorsofallthestatesinvolvedinDecemberof1969Itisin1responsetotheproposedcriteriabytheSecretarythataconcertedeffortonthepartofthefourupperBasinstateswasmadetoresolvetheissuesothatacommonreplycouldbemadetothecriteria IWehaveanumberofseriousobjectionstothecriteriaasproposedUnderdateofMarch4thIsubmittedtotheBoardamemorandumwhichsetforththeoperatingcriteriaandthechangeswhichwehaveproposedWesuggestedsomeamendmentstothepositionoftheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionIngeneralthosewereadoptedbytheCommissionatitsmeetinglastFridayTherevisedpositionoftheCommissionisincludedalongwithotheritemsinyourfoldersIthinkatthispointitwouldbeappropriatefortheBoardifitsodesirestoendorsethispositionRatherthangoingthroughallofthecriteriaIwillsimplygothroughthatportionofthecriteriawhichwasmodifiedafteritwassenttothemembersoftheBoardOnpage14oftheCommentsandRecommendationsofColoradoNewMexicoUtahandWyomingatthelowerhalfofthepageArticleII2oftheproposedcriteriaTheoriginalcriteriaspecifiedthatitwasapurposeofthecriteriatoprovidestorageinLakePowelltoprotecttheUpperBasinagainstfuturedeliveriesatLeeFerryTheotherconditionwasasspecifiedinthecongressionalactIfLakePowellisbelowthecapacityofLakeMeadtheactspecifiesthatitmustbeincreasedsothatitcontainsasmuchwaterasLakeMeadandviceversaIThecriteriaasproposedbytheSecretarystatesthatifeitheroftheseconditionsexistandmorewaterisneededtoprotecttheupperBasinfromdeliveriesatLeeFerryorLakePowellisbelowthelevelofLakeMeadthenthedeliveriesatLeeFerrywillbereducedtoaminimumof823millionacrefeetInotherwordsthefillingcriteriaproposedbytheSecretaryclearlycontemplatethatatnotimewouldthedeliveryatLeeFerryeverbelessthan823millionacrefeetWhenaddedtotheflowofthePariaRiverwhichisapartoftheLeeFerryflowbutmeasuredseparatelythistotals825millionacrefeet ThistousisnotincompliancewiththecongressionalactThereisnothinginthecongressionalactwhichstatesthattheUpperBasinmustdeliver6millionacrefeetatLeeFerryunderanycircumstancesAsamatterofIfactthecongressionalactisclearlytothecontraryTheactsaysthatifLakePowellisbelowthecapacityofLakeMeadandwearemakingour75millionacrefeetobligationplustheMexicanTreatywhateverthatmaybethenLakePowellshouldbebroughtuptothelevelofLakeMeadWehavetheabsurdpositionthroughtheproposedcriteriathatifLakePowellisemptyandLakeMeadisfull6millionacrefeetofwaterwouldbereleasedatLeeFerryThispositionisintolerabletotheUpperBasinstatesandinclearanddirectviolationoftheactofCongressWehaveaseriousobjectiontothatpartoftheproposedcriteriaGovernorLovevoicedaconsiderableobjectiontoitattheCommissionmeetinglastweekWehaverecommendedtotheSecretarythatthatparticularsectionbeamendedtoconformwiththelawWeobjecttothefigure6millionThatfigurewasarrivedatbyadding7millionor75millionineveryconsecutivetenyearperiodplushalfoftheMexicanTreatyof750000acrefeetInotherwordstheDepartmentoftheInteriorassumesthattheUpperBasinhastodeliver750000acrefeetofwateratLeeFerryeachyearashalfoftheMexicanburdenThisagainisindirectviolationoftheColoradoRiverCompactTheColoradoRiverCompactstatesthatifthereisadeficiencyattheinternationalboundarythentheUpperBasinandLowerBasinshallsharethatdeficiencyequallyThereIhasneverbeenadeficiencyattheinternationalboundaryWhyatthistimeshouldtheUpperBasinbechargedwithdelivering750000acrefeettosatisfyanonexistentdeficiencyItmakesnosenseatallInclearviolationofthecompactthe IUpperBasinisbeingrequiredtodeliver750000Neverunderanycircumstancesinouropinioncouldthefigureeverbe750000ThereisalwayssomewaterattheinternationalboundaryWethereforehavestrenuousobjectionsatthispointinhistoryatbeingassessed750000acrefeetasaresultoftheMexicanTreatyAtGovernorLovesrequestthatfigurewaschangedto8millionacrefeetWerealizethattherewillbeaperiodoftimeduringtheimmediatefutureinwhichwecanprobablydeliver8millionorinsomeyearsinexcessof8millionacrefeetwithoutanydamagetotheUpperBasinItwillbenecessaryinfactinordertoprovidepowerrevenuesnecessarytoprovideforUpperBasindevelopmentHoweverwedonotwishtobebrandedwiththeimplicationthat750000acrefeetshouldbeassessedagainsttheUpperBasinasanobligationundertheMexicanTreatyIWhatwedidwasmodifytheproposedcriteriatoconformtotheactofCongressIfasituationexistswhereLakeMeadhasgreaterstoragethanLakePowellandthereissufficientwaterfortheMexicanTreatyandforthe75millionatLeeFerrythenreleaseswouldbereducedtowhateverfigureisnecessaryinordertobringLakePowelluptothelevelofLakeMeadOrconverselymorethan8millionacrefeetperhaps9or10millionacrefeetinsomeyearsmayhavetobereleasedifitisnecessarytobringLakeMeaduptothelevelofLakePowellTheseextremeconditionsshouldnotoccurbecauseasnearlyaspossiblethereshouldbeauniformreleasefromLakePowellinordertoaccomplishthemaximumgenerationofpowerInanyeventthecongressionalactprovidesthatreleaseseithergoupordowndependingonthesituationOtherthanthattherewerenosignificantchangesfromwhatwaspreviouslysubmittedtoyouThatsmysummaryofthisagendaitemMrChairman MRSTAPLETONMRMOSESMRSTAPLETONMRFISCHERLetmestatethatthisisamatterthatIthinktheBoardhastorelyprettywellonthestaffourattorneyandtheAdvisoryCommitteeIwouldfirstliketohearfromourattorneyastowhathiscommentsareIdliketohearifheendorsesthiscriteriaasitisnowproposedandifsotostatesofortherecordITheseCOlllllentsweredevelopedasaresultofaseriesofmeetingsFirstameetingoftheEngineeringCommitteeseveralmeetingsoftheEngineeringCommitteeandajointmeetingoftheLegalandEngineeringCommitteesoftheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionandthenfinallyasMrSparkshaspOintedoutbyfurtheramendmentatthemeetingoftheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionlastweekIthinkthatthecommentsandrecommendationsareexcellenttheyarevalidtheyadequatelyprotecttheUpperBasinandthattheyshouldbeapprovedThankyouMrMosesNowMrFischerwillyoumakeyourreportandwillyoutelluswhothemembersoftheAdvisoryCommitteeareingeneraltermswhoparticipatedsothatwecanhavesomebackgroundSomeofyoumayremembertheColoradoWaterAdvisoryCommitteewasformedapproximatelyninemonthsagoandismadeupofthreemembersfromeachofthedistrictsthereareeightinthestatethataresetoutbytheColoradoWaterCongressmakingatotalof24memberstothecommitteeandthenincludingthechairmanoftheColoradoWatercongressmakingthe25thmemberThiswasthefirstmeetingwhichthiscommitteehashadItwasheldonMarchlOthandwehad18ofthe25membersinattendanceincludingrepresentationfromeachofthevariouseightdistrictsI IIMRSTAPLETONMRFISCHERMRSTAPLETONMRFISCHERMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONThecommitteespentIwouldsaythreetofourhoursconsideringtheproposedcriteriaWewerefortunatetohaveMrSparksandMrGoslintoexplaintheproblemsandalsotoexplaintheirrecommendationstousAfterthatconsiderationandrecognizingthatthematerialwehadbeforeuswassomewhatpreliminarythattherewouldbefurthermodificationsandchangestoitbutingeneraltheAdvisoryCommitteeadoptedandsupportstherecommendationsoftheDirectoroftheWaterConservationBoardandalsotheDirectoroftheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionMrFischerwhenyousayingeneralyouscaremeWhatdoyoumeanbythatqualificationImsorryIusedthatwordAsIsaidthematerialthatwehadbeforeusweknewwouldbemodifiedtosomedegreebutthebasicprovisionstakenintheserecommendationswereadoptedbythecommitteeDoesthecommitteehaveanyquarrelwiththechangeswehavediscussedtodaybyMrSparksThecommitteehasnthadachancetoconsiderthatsoIreallycantspeakforitbutIwouldfeelpersonallythatIaminfavorofitandIwouldthinkthecommitteeprobablywouldbetooThankyouNowdoIunderstandthatallfouroftheUpperBasinstatesareinagreementonthisdraftthatwehaveofMarch26thAsconcernstheirrepresentativesontheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionyesAndeachoneofthemhastakenthembacktotheirlocalpeople MRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRGOSLINMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSIMRSTJULETONtMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONCorrectGentlementhestafftheattorneyandtheAdvisoryCommitteearehereforquestionsfromyouandsoisIvaIGoslinfromtheUpperColoradoRiverCommissionIvaIwouldyouliketosayanythingatthispointIMrChairmanIdontbelieveIneedtoaddanythingtoLarrysstatementorBobFischersIwillsaythatallfourGovernorsoftheUpperDivisionstateshavesignedajointandcommonletterandithasbeentransmittedtotheSecretaryoftheInteriorwithacopyofthisdocumentthatyouhavebeforeyouThankyouWhatisthenextstepintheprocedureinthisWhathappensifweapproveit1wouldinformthemembersofourcongressionaldelegationandtheGovernorthatthisdocumentrepresentsthepositionoftheStateWaterBoardIsuggestthatweconsiderapprovingtheCommentsandRecommendationsofColoradoNewMexicoUtahandWyomingastheyhavebeenpresentedtotheBoardheretodayandadoptthemastheofficialpositionoftheStateWaterBoardWilltherebemeetingsinWashingtonwiththeSecretaryWhathappensnextYesGOVernorLoveindicatedatthemeetingFridaythathewouldverymuchliketogettogetherwithrepresentativesfromotherstatesandengageinsomepersonalconferenceswiththeSecretaryconcerningtheoperatingprinciplesIThenItakeittheGovernorwillbenegotiatingwithyouonbehalfofthestateArethereanyquestionsofalltheexpertswhoevidentlyhavegivenagreatdealofconsideration IIMRGEISSINGERMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKStothismatteroveraconsiderableperiodoftimeMrChairmanIwouldliketoaskonequestionDOwehaveanyideawhatthepositionoftheLowerBasinstatesisinregardtothiscriteriaHavetheyletanythingoutyetYesWehavebeenengagedinnegotiationsnowforalmostayearconcerningtheproposedcriteriaUndertheauspicesoftheDepartmentofInterioraseriesofmeetingswereheldatwhichrepresentativesofalltheBasinstateswerepresentThetacticsoftheLowerBasinstatesbecameobviousattheoutsetOriginallytheproposedcriteriacontainedaprovisionthatstorageinLakePowellwouldbebasedupontheuseofarulecurvewhichcomputedoutata984percentprobabilitythatthenecessarystoragetoprotecttheUpperBasincouldbeobtainedinLakePowellThatrulecurvesoundsquitecomplexbutitisreallyquitesimpleTherulecurveisbaseduponanticipatedflowoftheColoradoRiverthroughoutfutureyearsandanticipateddemandsontheriverYousimplyprepareagraphbaseduponthosefactorsandwherethelinesintersectyoucomeupwithaprobabilityThatsaboutthemaximumprobabilitythatcouldbearrivedatthe984althoughwithalittlerefinementwecomeupwith984plusIhopeyouunderstandwhatheistalkingaboutIWetriedtogetsufficientstorageinLakePowelltomeetourcommitmentatLeeFerryandstillhavewaterleftforuseintheUpperBasinTheprobabilitywiththepastflowofthestreamofourgetting75millionacrefeetforuseintheUpperBasinisvirtuallyzeroThesameholdstruefortheLowerBasin MRGEISSINGERMRSPARKSTheLowerBasininsistedonaseriesofstudiestotrytolowertherulecurveThereasonbeingthatifyoureleasemorewateratLeeFerrytheLowerBasinhasmorewaterTheywerentsatisfiedwitheventhe825TheyIwantmorethan825millionThisisthebasisoftheireffortTheyaretalkingaboutinexcessof9millionacrefeettheywantustodelivereveryyearatLeeFerryAsaresultoftheireffortstherulecurvethe98percentrulecurveoriginallyprojectedbytheBureauwaseliminatedinthecriteriaWewouldhavegonealongwiththe984rulecurveHoweveritisnolongermentionedinthecriteriaalthoughnotprecludedThewholethrustoftheLowerBasinseffortsistogetadeliveryatLeeFerrywhichwillbesomewhereinthemagnitudeof9millionacrefeetplusThatstheessenceoftheirstrategyItboilsdowntothefactthatCalifornialostalawsuitagainstArizonaandtherebywilllosetheuseof700000acrefeetofwaterannuallythatitisnowtakinginexcessofwhatCaliforniaisentitledtoSohavinglostthelawsuitagainstArizonatheStateofCaliforniathroughtheSecretaryoftheInterioristryingtogetthewaterbackfromtheUpperBasinItisjustthatsimpleLarrymayIaskoneotherquestionIdontwanttoprolongthisbutIthinkthisisoneofthemostimportantthingsthatwillprobablybebeforetheBoardforagoodlongtimeDoyouhaveanyfeelingthatthe823wasanefforttopacifytheLowerBasinstateswhowerecontendingfor95andweweresettingourfigureat75IsitasortofasomethingtoholdouttothemtogetthemtogoalongITheBureauofReclamationisinanunhappypositioninthismatterYestoacertainextentitwastosatisfyLowerBasinobjectionsHoweverthefigureitselfhassomerealisticbasisTogeneratepowerrevenuesforUpperBasindevelopmentsomethingofthatmagnitude IIMRGEISSINGERMRSTAPLETONMRCORNELIUSMRSTAPLElONMRBERlHELSONMRSTAPLETONMRBERlHELSONMRSTAPLETONmustbereleasedfromLakePowellforthenextISto20yearsatleastifnotlongerthanthatLetssayforthenextISto20yearsIfwegetanythinglikeanormalflowoftheriver825isnotabadfigureButifwehavealowriverflowthenitisabadfigureasfarastheupperBasinisconcernedOurobjectionisthat825mafisobviouslytiedto75millionplustheMexicanTreatyIwouldthinkthatifwehavesomethinglikeanormalflowoftheriverwecanlivewiththatfigureWhatwecannotstandistheimplicationthatitconstitutesanobligationontheUpperBasintodeliver750000feetfortheMexicanTreatyMrChairmanIwouldlikeatthistimetomovethatweadopttheCommentsandRecommendationsofColoradoNewMexicoUtahandWyomingastheofficialpositionofthisBoardIthasbeenregularlymovedIsthereasecondIwillseconditMrCorneliushassecondeditIstherefurtherdiscussionQuestionMrBerthelsondidyouhaveaquestionabouttheprobabilitycurveWellIdidhavebutithasbeenexplainedthoroughlysoIamsatisfiedIWhentheygotupto110percenttheylostmelIhaveafeelingMrSparkslegaltrainingcameoutSomelawyersnotjustMrSparkswhentheyhaveaproblemtheydontunderstandtheyexplainitwiththeremarkItissosimpleIwontbotheryouwiththedetailsl MRspARKSMRSTAPLETONMRBERTHELSONMRSTAPLETONMRKROEGERMRSPARKSWedidsendoutacopywiththeoriginalmemorandumofthegraphontherulecurveshowinghowitwascomputed1thinktherecordoughttostatethatGovernorLoveisverymuchinterestedinthismatter1happenedtobeinadvertentlyonthesameplanewithhimduetothecontrollersslowdownfromChicagoonMondayandhetalkedatgreatlengthaboutthismatter1amveryhappythatheiswellabreastofwhatisgoingonandIthinkhehasgotagreatdealofconfidenceinourDirectorandstaffIfeelthatheasourcommissionerandLarryashisstaffadviserwilldoverywellinthenegotiationsinWashingtonIIsthereanyfurtherdiscussionIthinkMrBerthelsoncalledforthequestiondidntyounYes1fAllthoseinfavorwillsignifybysayingayeopposedcarriedunanimouslyIwanttoaskaquestionregardingthisandthatiswheredowegofromhereIftheLowerBasinstatesdontacceptthisiftheSecretaryoftheInteriordoesntacceptthisthenwhathappensThentherewillbetheimminentpossibilityoftheUpperBasinstatesbeingforcedtoinitiateanactionintheUnitedStatesSupremeCourtAnotherimportantpartofthispolicyIstatementthatwehavejustadoptedisthedemandintherethatthepresentfillingcriteriaadoptedin1962beterminatedandthatthesocalleddeficiencieswhicharebeingchargedtotheUpperBasinbeterminatedTheimportanceofthatterminationliesinthefactthatuptodatetherehasbeensomethingin IIexcessof40millionchargedonewayoranothertotheupperBasinFundIfthesedeficienciecontinuetobeassessedagainstusthenitislikelythsttheamountofrevenuewhichtheUpperBasinFundhasbeendeprivedofwillexceed100millionThiswasnevercontemplatedwhentheStorageProjectActwaspassedbyCongressin1956Nooneevercontemplatedthediversionof100millionorsoofUpperBasinfundsasapurebribetotheLowerBasinWearewillingtopayareasonableransombutnot100millionThetragedyisthattheUpperBasincannotdevelopitswaterresourcesifthismoneyisdrainedawayfromtheUpperBasinFundThesituationthattheStateofColoradofindsitselfintodayisthatwewillhavenomoneyintheUpperBasinFundinthedecade1970to1980TranslatedintosimpletermsthismeansthatwecannotgetauthorizationforanymoreColoradoprojectsforwhichrepaymentwouldhavetostartduringtheperiOd19701980ThatisadirectresultofthisdiversionoffundstotheLowerBasinWhenwegotoCongresswithanotherauthorizationandtheSecretarysaystherearenofundsavailabletoColoradofortheauthorizationthestateofColoradohasnorecourseexcepttogointotheunitedStatesSupremeCourttodeterminewhydiversionsarebeingmadefromtheupperBasinFundforthebenefitofLowerBasinpowercontractorsIthinkinthateffortwewillbejoinedbytheotherthreestatesoftheUpperBasinAstotheconsequenceswemustprepareourselvesfortheeventualitythatthismightendintheSupremeCourtMRKROEGBlhPoliticalpressureyouthinkwontaccomplishthisintheCongressortheSenateMRSPARISIWewillexhaustthosemeansfirstWehopethatwewillbesuccessfulatthatlevel MRSTAPLETONIdontthinkwehavemuchexceptwecanworkwithMrAspinallMRSPARKSWehaveconsiderablestrengthintheCongresstodayInadditiontotheChairmanourSenatorsaremembersoftheInteriorCommitteeoftheSenateSenatorAllottisaseniormemberoftheSenateAppropriationsCommitteeTheStateofColoradoisnotpowerlessbyanymeansnoraretheotherUpperBasinstatesWehaveavoicelikeothercitizensoftheUnitedStatesintheUnitedStatesCongressIMRSTAPLETOIhopeyouarerightThattakescareofAgendaItem3DaveareyoureadyMRCRANDALLYesMRSTAPLETONWellnowhaveDaveCrandallmakeareportforRegion4BureauofReclamationMrCrandallusedascreenandslidestoillustratehispresentationMRCRANDALLMrChairmanmembersoftheBoardandguestsmypurposeistoreporttoyoutheactivitiesofRegion4BureauofReclamationparticularlyfortheStateofColoradobutknowingofyourbroadinterestintheColoradoRiverBasinmattersIhaveincludedanoverviewofouractivitiesintheColoradoRiverBasinOfcoursethefirstandmostsignificantmatterbeforeusisthatwaterisourlifebloodandhowmuchisMotherNaturegivingusandwhatcanwelookforwardtoIhavemyreportinanoutlineformforyouwiththespecificfactsandfiguresshownandIwillwithphotographsandsomediagramsanddiscussiontrytofillintogiveyouageneralpictureofwhereweareI IIThefirstofcourseistheratherdrysituationthatwehadinJanuaryandFebruaryWearehavingarathernormalMarchsowhiletheoverallforecastisdownitisntasbadasitlookedtwomonthsagoWearelookingforwardnowtosomethinglike67millionacrefeetfortheAprilJulyperiodandthiswaterisinbetweentheportionsoftheBasinthatyouseehereThisfirstpictureshowsustheColoradoRiverThisisaphotographnearRifleTheColoradoatciscowhichprovidesabout45percentofthewatersuppliesoftheBasinis114percentofnormalayouseeTheGreenRiverthisistheGreenRiverbelowFlamingGorgeDamprovides34percentnormallyoftheBasinswatersupplyanditis79percentofnormalTheSanJuanwhichprovides16percentisnow85percentTheremaining5percentifyouhavebeenkeepingtrackofthiscomesfromungaugedtributariesbelowtheseprincipalmeasuringpointsSooveralltheMarch1stforecastis67millionacrefeetThiswilltranslateintothewateryearofabouta10millionacrefeetofwaterWedidhaveanicestorminpartoftheBasintwodaysagotherewas15inchesatDurangoshoveledthatoffhiswalkthesouthernIunderstandIfFredMRKROEGERMywifedoesthatlMRCRANDALLITheMarchstormpatternshavebeennearnormalInmyownexperienceherewhichextendsforlessthanfiveyearsanormalsituationisaverygoodsituationIhaveneverseenitbettermyselfOnthesecondpageofthereporttranslatingthisintoeffectsonthereservoirswehavepreparedsomediagramstoshowyoudiagramaticallythedamandtheproportionofwaterintheimpoundmentLakePowellisnowabout130feetbelowfullandithasalivestoragecontentof9millionacrefeetroughly With the 6 rise a 7 its from prOjection we expect this to present elevation which is just above rated head up to elevation 3592 another 21 feet and up to a little foot which is 11 million over percent its of feet acre it So about s 46 capacity The reservoir will Flaming Gorge rise as we get the spring inflow and then it will subside again and will go back and forth without getting much more in capacity unless we is Next get some is Fontenelle Reservoir its because of bypass storms unusual Next limited with the At Fontenelle time that I to hold we did would Fontenelle capacity will The forecast it there cannot accommodate enough storage I all small nor for something expect powerplant do we have spring the to have to the inflow first be of interest to We have developed a set of Colorado people detailed operating rules for the reservoir These rules Were full in developed consultation with the fish and game interests the recrea tional interests with everyone who had a concern and interest to get the best plans of all con factors that relate to the cerned and all the operation We of one the of intend to do this for significant impoundments all of our major stor project reservoirs so that there will be no surprises and we will be able to incorporate the best judgment of everybody as to how to maximize and optimize for all the public of all the project values It is surprising how much you can do without impairing project purposes if you just know what is desired age Next and water is Blue Mesa with impoundment Morrow Point have refilled down for colorado to a prime recreation We drew grouting program it with water out and of Blue Mesa expect that Blue Mesa will fill this year This again shows you the proportion of water We in the reservoir the The red expected season the quantities there You the amount of is can there see I am the numbers sure I IWehadontheGunnisonRiveraboveBlueMesaarathertraumaticrepeatoftheicejamfloodingexperiencethathastakenplacesomanytimesintherecentpastThestreamthroughtheareabetweenthebackwatersofBlueMesaandthecommunityofGunnisonisratherquietandshallowItfreezesandofcoursethewateristhendivertedbythefreezingoutofthebanksItrefreezesandseeksnewpathsandprettysoonitspreadsfromthehighwaythroughonesidetothebaseofthehillsontheotherThiscausesseveredistresstothepeopleoftheareaWehavedonesomeemergencyworkincooperationwiththeCorpsofEngineersandwiththepeopleintheareathestateandcountytokeepthewateroutofhomesandoffofranchpropertiesIthinkwithfairsuccessasanemergencyeffortButthelongrangesolutionseemstolieinacombinationoffactorsWeneedsomechannelimprovementIperhapssomeeasementstoallowforthisandreducethedistressofindividuallandownersItisadifficultproblemandIwanttoassureyouthatanythingtheBureauofReclamationcandowewanttodoItpresentssomelegalquestionsforusbutwehopeeventuallywecanatleastbringaboutpossibleimprovementinitThisshowsyoumoreoftheproblemandyoucanseethelittleLshapeddikeupstreamfromthebuildingsthatwasbuilttokeepthewateroutofthosehomesNextisMorrowPointWedrewitdownforagroutingprogramthereandhavesincerefilledMorrowPointisnowfullandwillcontinuethatwayIThisisNavajoWewillaccumulatestorageabovetheagreeduponrecreationlevelof6030feetgoingafewfeetabovethatanditwillbeheldthereduringtherecreationseasonandthroughthefallLakeMeadbecauseofthenecessityofdelivering83millionacrefeetinorderto makeupthe75000000forthedecadewestartedfillingLakePowellhasbeenaccumulatingstorageThelowerbasinusedabout81millionacrefeetandabout89goesdownThereisgoingtobeaninflowbelowLeeFerrysotheywillcontinuetogainsomethingoveramillionacrefeetThisisapictureoftheGrandCanyontogiveyoualittlemoodherefortheoperatingcriteriasubjectwhichhasbeenwellcoveredinthepreviousagendaitemIwontconunentonitfurtherTobringyouuptodateonthewatermarketingsituationontheStorageprojectreservoirsthishasbecomeaverysignificantfunctiontoputthiswatertoworkandalsoasarevenueadditiontotheStorageProjectWehavecontractsnowtheplantwhichyouseeistheoneatFourCornerswhichderivesitswaterfromtheSanJuanRiverwiththeutahMiningandConstructionCompanywaterforunits6and7PublicServiceCompanyofNewMexicoforadditionaldevelopmentSouthernUnionGascompanyaminoramountfortheiroilfieldandgasfielduseMovingovertoLakePowelltheSaltRiverAgriculturalImprovementprojectpowerdistricthascontractedwiththeSecretaryfordiversionof40000acrefeetwithaconsumptiveusenottoexceed34100acrefeetforalargeplantinthevicinityofpageAnadditionalcontractwhichhasbeenexecutedsinceIspoketoyoulastisthispicturedoesntrelatetothisforpowerdevelopmentatthebaseofKaiparowitsPlateau102000acrefeetofwateroutofUtahsallocationwhichisavailableuntilshortlyaftertheturnofthecenturyformajorthermalpowerdevelopmentthereThisisapictureofFontenelleDamTheII J V of State Wyoming increment when the dam wisely Supply very the Water built under was acquired Act an space in the reservoir and have since marketed that to the Sun Oil Company and of the Pacific Power I and Power and Light Company just detailed plans million and a Jim is plant a site which Bridger That in the is a for Rock near Springs development very construction in the not future I have included in my report about the Emery County Project Valley Dam which was completed The utah ago the active stage and will be in too distant few days ago development half kilowatt plant at the reviewed their of The Pacific Light company and Power from acquiring water mary rights and Joe s few years just Company has been a water also been has is This Light local few comments a users for negotiating pri a the conservancy district Bureau of Reclamation and themselves for the contract between conversion of industrial that the of this some This use is think many of you the old traditional uses I converted higher in order On the This gram proper way to a of there producing limiting factor are at I Morrow well and along The Point expect we The power there this fall on the time would be the in stallation of the the cable underground the power from the plant up These are not being switchyard to take through the suspended in underground almost industrial new next page is our construction pro is a recent scene that shows the to be leadouts a use underground powerplant three units project water to an an example of the trend have anticipated where of water are being 200 the air The cost 000 so They being placed are about can the per foot But expensive cable see 2 000 feet is for on you it gets to be pretty it does have a very definite esthetic value and basis minimizes perhaps This opment is an some artist of the operating problems view of the below Morrow Point When Crystal we have devel Crystal V VV will be able to operate both of the 60 megawatt units at Morrow Point crystal is in the current program and we hope we will be in that means able to issue specs and be ready to get going long awaited next increment and final on this we increment of the Curecanti this is the stage of construc Bostwick Park project tion at Silver Jack Dam Silver Jack We that will be expect finished the by end of coming up construction season and water It has been quite will be in storage there I this for stretchout Park budgetary and work Project features will reasons on the Bostwick and other the laterals on along our program con is Meeks Cabin Dam in Wyoming a come as a tinues This similar type this facility too will It be completed second increment of coming the China Meadows Dam is the Lyman project still as yet unfunded for construction but summer the rapidly this is starvation Dam the first impoundment of the large Central Utah Project now finished and water is bei g im pounded in it To move on The water tunnel which of the diversion of water This in utah holed was shows you the through segment the Divide Basin into the Bonneville out of the Colorado Basin first is the through not face of the hole long ago just break ing through We expect to begin this coming fiscal year start of construction with the Dam which berry that is the Reservoir of you Soldier Creek the old Straw are familiar with area We have reservoirs These enlargement Some on of are provide at fish and wildlife Bottle Hollow mitigation near Fort Duchesne really dikes rather than dams recreational impoundment to which is in I the on I fish and wildlife for recreation replacemedt Indian reservations Next on page 7 is our power operations and power marketing situation First we have water to be concerned about and we also have keep a close eye on revenues for project The power needs in the area that repayment can be served from CRSP has outstripped the capability so for all practical purposes we are fully marketed We do have to in order to market our firm capacity at times purchase to fill in the gaps moving into that energy to so we are we will be divisions and in the teria in actual generation point in time where purchases for the two making energy the power is marketed in the north south under somewhat different cri This chart shows you the total amount how much of it in the blue energy required center is being provided from storage Project generation the red border is diagramatic of the amounts that will be purchased and then the five segments identify the northern division portion and the southern division portion and of the amount Project chart winter The bars to are pretty fully The lower black have the these set the winter are in the winter time but marketed to meet system reserves of the short bars sell line deficiencies storage prepared this alternately summer and are The by years We have power power for compare the capability with the loads we have To bar aside set is in the the loads with aside these of reserves lines The black capability reflecting time summer capability we reserves our We show The yellow lines are the amount of power requested that we could serve if we had capability The I red mark is from other I the that systems perhaps don t want bers amount There could be to meet you with a lot of within the outlines here to belabor are imported these loads num significant figures This will give you an impression of our powercapabilitywithrespecttowhatthemarketisandwhatthedemandsareMovingovertothenextpageunderourpowermarketingwehavetheseamountswhichyouseethereInthesummerduringthe1975176periodwehavethefullcapabilityundercontractandwestillhavealittleinthewintertimelefttosellbutwewouldjudgethatthiswintermarketwillprettywellmaterializebythenThestorageprojectpowerwasallallocatedwhentheprojectwasstartedBecausewehavereachedthepointoffullmarketingwecontactedeverybodyandrescindedthoseallocationsthatdidnotresultincontractsMovingonovertothenextpagetherevenuesfromthesaleofpowerarenowrunningattherateof22millionannuallyuptodatewehavereceivedabout82millionworthOfrevenueandwearenowatthepointthisyearthisisanothermilestonewherewewillhavepaidallofthebackinterestwewillhavepaidourcurrentannualoperationandmaintenancecostsandwewillhaveanettoapplytotherepaymentofthecapitalinvestmentSowhatIamsayingisthatin1970wewillbeintheblackandberetiringtheStorageProjectindebtednessAsIhavementionedbeforeuntilwegetCrystalwewillnothavethefullcapabilityofMorrowPointpowerplantbecausewecantpeakwithitwecantbouncetheguntodeliverthesediversionsdownstreamWhenCrystalisinwewillgain60megawattsthereandthenwehavesomeoftheUtahplantscominginsotherewillbemorecapacityandwecanrescindourprivatecontractsTheycanbeterminatedandthenthatwouldgotoourpresentmarketIThenexttopicbeginningonpage11is The project investigations program our first category is the Colorado State Water Plan and The state has embarked cooperation with it water plan study and we are assisting with on that Meetings have been held with your staff and the work has been mapped out and we are our a I getting under way with We have it going into its final phases the The chairman of the comprehensive surveys joint state federal group is Goslin of the Mr That work is Upper Colorado River commission proceeding into the stage of documenting the results of the efforts up to date and it will be a good starting point for additional broad planning area feasibility studies we have first There is a correction on Project In our the Basalt a Robie tells the report here under the item that at the Ashcroft site there has been a me It will be substitute for it changed that in the site project plan Our report is scheduled is called Castle Creek for completion a year from this coming December of specifics on Basalt yield at the new of course relates to the This Ruedi Reservoir and some other complex questions The next item is the Bluestone At the Mount We have oqan J damsite we are Project proceeding draft of the report and we expect to have this pretty well done this fiscal year a The next is the Grand Mesa ity report these here which will lands you see cover The feasibil service to is due at the end of this fiscal year I We Yampa are This getting under way on project is our name been called the feasibility the future Juniper before report scheduled some our Lower for what has We have a years off in On the Yellow Jacket Jacket by big this picture in the interests is this still is not a Yellow being considered state with to respect some game mitigation problems but there is a tentative report out to guide this considera tion just I is the Upper Gunnison the area you We have a report due there in 71 This saw This photograph here is illustrative of a very special study that we are conducting with the Water Pollution Control Administration in the Vernal a determine what happens to ea the result of irrigation through movement of water what happens and what a we be done to minimize it can important very look a very at our water significant is quality problems of as the the next page is advance planning a picture of Soap Park Dam on the On This is Fruitland Mesa Project ties finished about are soon funding as is with construction with the to That effort in the Colorado Basin future as quality by profile just salt get picked up soil the how does as to water begin Our on preparatory activi Fruitland Mesa and available A we proceed can contract has been signed conservancy district so we are poised the actual conversion of the plans into reality On the this is ery pot Hook Project the construction of the Pot Hook damsite the Sa dam and reservoir do a We have little additional sites but this will of the definite plan As far found the need to drilling at one of the postpone the completion report into another fiscal not the time of starting the actual project itself there will be no delay but there will be a delay of perhaps three or more months year as to complete the definite plan report to sort This of is a set photograph the theme of for the Animas the River five Colorado I 0 planning advance projects efforts 0 We are the Animas La Plata next year The of 25 000 contribution with advance planning on the McPhee site on the Dolores Project and on the Dallas Creek will local a I begin to going start this coming fiscal year if the Congress is in the President s amount that approves the get planning Advance on the Miguel San is subsequent fiscal year contemplated the people up there The West Divide Project a contribution consider They did at one may in the time on That sort of wraps up where the five Colorado projects now we stand I d like to say something Chairman nice about your Executive Director if that s Mr all right MR STAPLETON All MR CRANDALL Larry sometime ago recognized the very vital right over developing relationships are going to take As you know they have projects necessity with the these to contract of entities that local for the repayment operate and maintain them have to be projects compatible to be ship finally with their local and to costs Not only that built in needs the a way There has very close continuing working partner with the people these projects are being a built for So Larry has organized a contact program where we join him and have met with each of these groups and have gone over all the details involved in these upcoming steps in I getting we are these all I am sure projects completed going to be repaid for that effort many times The next item beginning on page 15 the Western united States Water Plan The Colorado River is Study Basin Act required that this westwideinvestigationofwaterneedsandthepossibilitiesformeetingthembeevaluatedandreportedonContactshavebeenmadeThisnextseriesofpictureswillillustratesomeofthefunctionsinvolvedWitheachofthestatesbyeachoftheregionsofReclamationwehavediscussedwiththemhowthestudieswillgetunderwayhowwewillcoordinatetheirinputsandalloftheveryvitalstepsnecessarytogetthismostimportantstudyaccomplishedproperlyandinacompatibleandharmoniouswayITheseillustratetheindustrialagriculturalmunicipalneedsandsomeofthevariouspossibilitiesforaugmentingthewatersuppliesbyweathermodificationandofcoursetheenvironmentalandestheticaspectsthatwillbeinvolvedTheBureauofReclamationwillberesponsibleforthecompilationofthisstudyeffortbutitiscertainlysomethingReclamationdoesntcontemplatedoingbyitselfWehavetohavethebesteffortsandcooperationofallinvolvedItisacommunityeffortofallthesestatesandlocalinterestsandotheragenciesawholevarietyorawholearrayofthoseconcernedaboutthewaterresourceproblemsofthewestWehaveinColoradoaratherspecialstudythatwearehopingtogetunderwaysoonandthatisfortheUncompahgreProjectTheUncompahgreasyouknowwasoneofthefirstprojectsofReclamationandthestorageProjectActofcourseprovidesforadditionalparticipatingprojectsandwearehopingthatbyprovidingfortheexpansionandimprovementandIextensionandrecognitionofotherfunctionswaterqualityrecreationfishandwildlifeandsoonthatwecancomeupwithaplantobepresentedforUncompahgreasanotherincrementtothestorageProjectasaparticipatingprojectwhichwillbeamostworthwhilecontributiontothatareaandtothestateWeare IIMRSTAPLETONMRCRANDALLMlSTAPLETOlhstartingoutwithareconnaissanceinvestigationThesepicturesillustratesomeofthefacilitiesonUncompahgrenowWewillstartinfiscal71andthenifwecanidentifyadevelopmentplanthatwecouldgoforwardwithwewillconvertthatintoafeasibilitystudyanditwillhaveaprojectedwatersupplyimprovementassuggestedonpage17TheterminalstorageisatremendoussightwhichisillustratedhereandwillbeapartoftheconsiderationOutofithopefullywillcomeaprojectthatismoresuitedtomodernneedsTheUncompahgreProjectproblemsarenotconfinedtojustthedistributionsystemyouhavebeenlookingatTheoldGunnisonTunnelneedsattentionandimprovementandthewaterusershaveproposedandwenowhavebeforetheCongressasecondrehabilitationandbettermentincrementforthereliningoftheGunnisonTunnelHereyoucanseesomeofHaroldAndersonseffortsandheisdoingagreatjobofextendingthisliningonthismostimportantfeatureBoardmembersandgentlementhisconstitutesperhapsatoolongthumbnailsketchofreclamationactivitiesinRegion4ThankyouverymuchDaveforaveryinterestingpresentationItmademewanttoandIknowthereareotherswhowouldliketogetoutandseeitfirsthandagainArethereanyquestionsfrommembersoftheBoardofMrCrandallDoanymembersofouraudiencehaveanyquestionsThanksverymuchDaveweappreciateitYouareentirelywelcomeWewillnOturnto4onyouragendatheFloodPlainZoningRequestBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreekLarrywillyougiveusthebackgroundonthat MRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRNELSOIiGentlemenyouhavereceivedamemorandumonthisItispartofthecontinuousprogramofthisBoardincooperationwiththeUnitedStatesArmyCorpsofEngineersinitiatedafterthefloodsof65TheCorpshasrecentlycompletedafloodinformationreportonBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreekinBoulderCountyTheDenverRegionalCouncilofGovernmentshasrequestedthisBoardtomakethenecessaryfloodchanneldesignationasprovidedintheColoradoRevisedStatutesAstheBoardmemberswillrecallnolocalcommunitycanzoneforfloodplainstoprotectagainstfloodplaininundationwithoutapprovaloftheStateWaterBoardIThenecessaryresolutiontoaccomplishthisdesignationhasbeenpreparedandacopysenttoallofyouThestaffrecommendsthatthisresolutionbeadoptedTheremaybesomeonehereMrChairmanfromtheBoulderareaorfromtheDenverRegionalCouncilofGovernmentswhomaywishtospeaktothisresolutionIsthereanyoneherewhowishestospeakMrNelsonwillyoucomeupandusethemicrophonepleaseMynameisMiltNelsonIamfromLongmontIamawateruserofBoulderCreekIamadirectoroftheSouthBoulderCreekWaterUsersAssociationWehaveintereststhereandthefloodplainzoningrequestforBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreeksomehowortheotherthismaybeapoortimetobetalkingaboutanyfloodplainaftercomingthroughthedriftswedidthismorningtogetdownherewefeelthatwehavesomequestionsDoIunderstandthatthisfloodplainzoningbytheArmyCorpsofEngineerswouldputsortofagreenbeltinthereWefeelthattheBureauofReclamationhroughthecooperationofyourgroupherein1964westartedareconnaissancestudywiththeBureauofReclamationforthisareaandafeasibilitystudyfortheFrontangeareawhichIthinkifwegetthedamsandthingsthatwillI IMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSIcomethroughthisstudythatthisfloodplainareatheyareconsideringwillhaveverylittlesignificanceOurmaindealnowistogetmoredamsintheupperareatoconserveanduseourwaterWeneedboththeconservationofourwaterandofcoursefloodcontrolalsoMyquestionisdoweasauseronthestreamhaveanysayinthebuildingofthisprogramNaturallyweareforanydevelopmentinourareathatwilldoussomegoodbutwequestionhowmuchgoodthiswilldoWethinkthattheupstreamdamsarethemostimportantnowforourfloodcontrolprogramLarrydoyouwanttoanswerthatMrNelsonthisBoarddoesnotenterintothemeritsofwhetherornotanylocalityshouldzoneornotzoneforfloodplaincontrolThatdecisionistobemadebythelocalpeopleOursolefunctionhereistodeterminewhatareasaresubjecttoanintermediateregionalfloodIknowthatyouarewellacquaintedwiththefloodplaininformationreportsThosereportsshowhazardareasfortwodifferenttypesoffloodsonebeingthesocalledstandardfloodwhichisawayoutfloodandtheotheristheintermediateregionalfloodwhichisoneonWhichwehavesomefloodhistoryIthasbeenthepolicyoftheBoardthatwewouldnotapproveforzoningthoseareaswhichmightbeinundatedbyastandardfloodbecausethatoccurssoinfrequentlythatwedonotfeelthatwearejustifiedinapprovingzoninginthatareaWhetherornotstructuresarebuiltupstreamdoeshavesomeeffectuponthewidthofthezonedareaHoweverwecannotpresumeatthistimethatsuchstructureswillbebuiltThefloodhazardaccordingtothereportthatwehavereviewedpreparedbytheCorpsofEngineersexiststodayinthisareaThedesignationofthisareadoesnotprecludeany MRNELSONMRSPAIUaMRNELSONMRSTAPLETONMRRtPIfutureupstreamconstructionnordoesitprecludeanyuseoftheareafordiversionofwaterortheconstructionofdamsThezoningmerelyprecludestheconstructionofhabitationsandsimilarstructureswhichwouldtendtoblockthefloodchannelIIdontknowwhetherthatanwersyourquestionbutIdosaythatitdoesnotprecludefutureconstructionorfloodcontrolmeasuresonthestreamWillthewaterusersinthisareabecontactedorgivenanyconsiderationinthedevelopmentofthisprogramItisrequestedbytheDenverRegionalCouncilofGOvernmentsandtomyknowledgetherehasntbeenanybodyinourareathathasbeencontactedItalkedtotheCityofBoulderswatercouncilandtheydidntseemtoknowthatthisrequestwasgoingtobepresentedheretodayandIjustwonderediftheyaregoingtocooperatewithusorifthisisgoingtobeaseparatedealIcantansweryourquestionMrNelsonAgainwehavenocontroloveryourlocalgovernmentBouldercountyisrepresentedontheRegionalCOuncilIfthereareanyobjectiOnsbyBoulderIamsurethisBoardwouldliketohearthemWewouldbewillingtopostponethismatteruntilsuchfurtherresolutionismadeIseeMrMadonnaishereandhemayhavesomethingtosayItmightbewelltoconsiderthatMrMadonnawillyoucomeuppleaseIamJoeMadonnawiththeBoulderCountyPlanningDepartmentandIworkinspecialstudiesAsfarasMrNelsonisconcernedabouthavingsomesaysointhisthisprocessisnotcompletedIthasbeendonetocomplywiththestatutesAsLarrysaiditneedsareviewButthefailureofthisprocesswouldI IberarebecausetherewillbeapublighearingwhichwllbeheldbytheBouldercountyPlanningcommissionsimilartowatwedidonLeftHandcreetandalltheqffeqedlandownersewillmakenhonesteftorttoleteveryoneofthoseknowinwritingWewillattempttofinnonthemapwhothelandownersareandnotifythemaccordinglyAfterthatmeetingtherewouldthenbefollowupactionanddeconsiderationcertainlywouldbegiventothelandownersinwhattheysuggestThenthePlanningCommissionwouldmakeitsrecommendationsThatrecommendationwouldthengototheBoulderCountyCommissionerswhohavethefnalsaysoinsettingthisupTheycouldeitherdoitordisregarditoramenditAfterthecommissionersactonittherewouldagainbeanotherpublichearingsothatagainthelandownerswouldbegivenanopportunitytoreactSothisisaveryclosetypeofthingEveryeffortismadetoletthelandownersknowwhoareaffectedandpublichearingsareheldcanassureyouherethatafterwetrieditonLeftHandCreekwedidlearnalessonortwoandamsurethatoureffortswillbethatmuchmorestrenuousinregardtoSouthBoulderandBoulderCreekIIfmayaddapointortwofrommyownpersonalobservationstomethisrepresentssomethingasapreventivemedicineIthinkIrememberatthelastmeetingColonelPendergrassoftheCorpsofEngineersstandinguphereandmakingastatementthattheCorpshasspentbillionsonfloodcontrolfacilitiesbutdidntseewherehehadmadeanyactualheadwaytoanydegreeThenthinkitwasalsobroughtoutifmymemoryservesmerightthatMtCarbonDamwontbebuiltunlessthestategivessomeprotectionorassurancestothedownstreamdevelopmentIthinkthisisrathersignificantIthinkagaininBoulderCountyscasehereitshouldbepointedoutthatthisisnotzoning perseasotherzoningexistsItisactuallyfloodplainregulationItdoesnotchangethezoningthatnowexistsonthelandbutitisaregulationthatsaysthatcertaintypesofconstructionordevelopmentcantakeplaceinItherewithoutchangingthezoningbutsubjecttocertainregulationsasfarasthebuildingsareconcernedandfloodproofingandthistypeofthingSoitisnotzoninginthestrictsenseofthewordIthinkanotherthingthatisparamounthereisthatifwedontdothislocallyforourselvesthewaywethinkweshouldbedoingitIthinkwearelookingatthefactthattheurbanDrainageDistrictdoeshavethepowertozonewhichwascreatedayearagoItseemstomewealsohavetheLandUseCommissiongettingstartedthatnodoubtisgoingtohavesomesayinthesemattersIguessinthefinalanalysisifwedontdothesethingsforourselveslocallythewaywethinktheyoughttobedonethenIthinkthatthestateisgoingtodoitforusinsomefuturetimeAsfarasdamsgoIthinkthatdamsinasensegiveafalsesenseofsecurityTOOmanypeoplethinkthatbecausethereisadamupstreamtheyareprotectedfromthefloodandthisIamsurecanbeproventobeotherwiseIthinkdamsforamultipurposeuseincludingotherusesandincludingfloodcontrolarethoroughlydesirableAsanexampleofwhatthisdevelopmentcoststheCityofBoulderisgoingtomakewhattheycallaBoulderpilotstudytoovercomesomeoftheproblemsasaresultofdevelIopmentthereinarathersmallareaandtoovercomesomeoftheseproblemsnowwearelookingatacostuptherethatrunsanywherefrom200000to800000permileInarathersmallareaitisgoingtotakebetterthan7milliontoOvercomesomeofthoseproblemsupthereandIthinkjustrecentlythecityof IIMRSTAPLETONMRDIEFFENDERFERIMRSTAPLETONMRDIEFFENDERFERIBoulderfinishedastudyonBoulderCreekifmemoryservesmerightbetweenDistricts28and38approximatelyahalfmileandtoovercomethoseproblemsthathalfamilehasbeenestimatedtocost550000andifyoutakethatonamileagebasisyouaretalkingattherateof1millionamileSoitseemstomethatitwouldbebettersensetobegintousesomepreventivemedicineandthatsallthesefloodplainregulationsinBoulderCountyareintendedtobehankyouThankyouWouldyouliketoaddressyourselftothisIfImayIfyouwilljustcomeuptothismicrophonepleaseMynameisTedDieffenderferIamdirectorofoperationsfortheCityofBoulderandalsovicechairmanoftheFloodControlandStormDrainageCommitteefortheDenverRegionalCouncilofGovernmentsWehavedoneconsiderableworkinthisareaasyouareprobablyawareofinthedevelopmentofthecriteriamanualetcIwouldliketorelateonlytotheCityofBoulderItisimperativethatwehaveadesignationbythisbodyofthefloodplainzoneifwearetoproperlycontroldevelopmentwithinthecitysothatwecanprotectthepeoplethatmaywishtodevelopintheseareasInreferencetoaremarkthatwasmadeaboutthefloodplainandthedamsandsoforththereisnothingasIunderstanditthatasimprovementsaremadeupstreamordownstreamthatmayreducethewidthofthefloodplaintocomebackandamendthatfloodplainbeforethisbodyIsthatcorrectfStan MRMILLERYesIIMRDIEFFENDERFERSothatifdamsareconstructedthatprovidefloodstorageinadditiontowaterconservationamendmentscanbemadeifdifferentIchangesaremadeinstructuresthatallowthepassageoftheintermediatefloodasyoucallitAgainchangescanbemadeinthedesignationofthefloodplainandthesechangescanbemadebythesameprocedurethatJoeoutlinedbyourcitycouncilWemustfirstholdhearingsbeforeourplanningboardandfinallythedecisionmustbemadebyourcitycouncilbeforeanareacanactuallybefloodplainedIthinkthatwillbringoutthepointherethattodaywearenotactuallyzoningthisthingAllwearedoingasrunderstanditisdesignatingtheareathatcanbezonedForthisreasonIwouldurgethatthisbodytakeactionasquicklyaspossiblebecausewehavethepressuresofdevelopmentwhichmaynotbeoccurringinareasofconcerntothegentlemanwhospokeagainstthisWehavepressuresofdevelopmenttodayintheveryareasthatlieattheconfluenceofBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreekandupstreamofthosepointsthatifwedonthavethisanddontactwithinourownorganizationtoestablishfloodplainzoningwewillbefacedwithandtoexpandjustalittlebitmoreonJoesremarkswehavecompletedsomefurtherstudiesandwehaveapproximately30milesofchannelwithintheCityofBoulderandthisincludesBouldercreethathavetobeupgradedtopassthe100yearorintermediatefloodInordertodothatwearelookingatatotalcostofsomewhereexcludingstructuresjustchannelIimprovementsof15millionandstructuresanother35millionSoitisimperativethatwemoveintheproperdirectionhereifwearegoingtocontrolthesituationinanymannersothatthetaxpayercanaffordthisinthefuturehankyougentlemen IIMRSTAPLETONThankyouverymuchItakeitwhatwearedoingisjustinitiatingactionhereThisistheinitialstepandIhaveeveryconfidencethatthesophisticatedBouldercityandcountygovernmentswillgiveadequatenoticetoeverybodythatisevenlyremotelyconcernedsothateverybodywillhaveanopportunitytospeakIsthereanyoneelsewhocarestoaddressthemselvestothisagendaitemIfnotdoestheBoardhaveanyquestionsMRTENEYCKMrChairmanIwouldmovethatweapprovetheresolutionaspresentedbythestaffMRSTAPLETONIthasbeenmovedIsthereasecondtothatMRRBWILLIAMSIllsecondMRSTAPLETONIthasbeenregularlymovedandsecondedthattheresolutionaspresentedinthememorandumofMarch231970beapprovedMrSparkshasaremarkMRSPARKSThelastspeakerputthismatterintheproperperspectiveAdditionalmatterssuchasthiswillbecomingbeforetheBoardinthefutureForthelongtimefuturewewillbehavingsimilarrequestsforfloodplainzoningItshouldbeunderstoodatthistimethatthisBoarditselfhasnoauthoritytozoneanythingWhetherornotlocalauthoritiesshouldadoptfloodplainregulationsorfloodplainzoningisnotamatterforthisBoardtodecideThereisonlyoneissuebeforethisBoardinthistypeofrequestThatisistheareadesignatedinafloodhazardareaThatsthesolequestionbeforethisBoardMRSTAPLETONItakeitthatMrNelsonwasnotobjectingheisdownhereforinformationandIthinkhehasgottentheinformationheneeded MRNELSONMRSTAPLETONMRNELSONMRSTAPLETONTENEYCKWewantfloodcontroldontgetmewrongonthatbutIthinkwehaveotherwaystodoitNowwehaventbeenadvisedwheretheselinesandbordersareatallYouhavegottwogentlemenovertherethatIyoucantalkwithandtheywillcommunicatewithyourwaterattorneyssothatyouwillknowthatandtherewontbeanyproblemsThankyouAnyfurtherdiscussiononthemotionAllinfavorwillsignifybysayingayeopposedtheresolutioniscarriedSeeAppendixAMrChairmanbeforeyougotothenextitemIthinkitonlyappropriatethatIatleastmentionthisIthinkthisWaterConservationBoardmayinthenottoodistantfuturewanttoreconsideritspolicyandperhapsconsiderfloodplainzoninguptothestandardfloodratherthantheintermediatefloodIjustraisethisasapossibilitybecauseifwehaddonethekindofthingsthatwearenowdoing15or20or50yearsagowewouldnthavethesamekindoffloodlossesintherivervalleyofthePlattebecausewewouldnthavehadalltheheavyindustrialbuildinginthatareathatissubjecttofloodingOurhindsightisalwaysbetterthanourforesightWeoughttolookaheadperhapstothetimewhensomedayMtCarbonwillbesiltedupItwillbefilledupwithsiltandallthosepeoplewhohavebuiltintheBearCreekValleyIsubsequenttotheconstructionoftheMtCarbonDamwiththenotionthattheyareprotectedforeverinourgenerationtheyarenotgoingtohaveaproblembutsomedaythereisgoingtobeaproblemandIthinkmaybewehadbetterbegintolookalittlefurtheraheadthanwehavebeendoinginthepastIamnotsayingthattoday IIMRSTAPLETONMRTENEYCKMRSPARKSIMRTEIilEYCKIMRSPARKSMRTENEYCKIMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETOSVIIIisthedaynorthatthisyearisbutIthinkIwouldberemissifIdidntatleastmentionthefactthatIthinkweoughttolookatthisagainsometimeandperhapsconsiderapolicythatisalittlemorefarreachingandwithalongerrangedetailThankyouTomIthinkthatisagoodsuggestionIwouldliketosaythatIhadhopedthatsomedaywecouldhaveameetingthatwouldbejustaddressedtofutureplansIthinkweallgettiedinwiththeimmediateproblemsandmaybewecaninthefallgetsomelongrangeplanningmeetingthatwecanorganizeThiswouldbeapartofitandworkthatinIThatbringsoneotherquestionupIdliketoaskLarryhowfaralongarewenowatleastontheFrontRangeorintheheavilyurbanizedareasonthedesignationoftheseDowehaveasignificantnumbernowdesignatedorlessthanhalforjustwhatWehavedesignateduptothistimethemosthazardousareasthatweknowofinthepopulatedareasoftheFrontRangeSomedesignationshavebeenmadeinthemoreremoteareassuchasWrayandMontevistaThereareaboutanother10to15studiesthatareinthemillatthepresenttimeWeareaboutcurrentwiththestudiesthenWeareprettywellcurrentyesBecausethewholestateintimeoughttohavethiskindofstudymadeWearegraduallybringinginthewholestateTheserequestsarestillcominginWewillnowgotoAgendaItem5DiscussionandresolutionofAuthorizedProject Improve the South Platte River Channel We have had some in Denver to Ft Morgan to formation this start MR In SPARKS that before on will you Larry out the 1950 Control Act Flood Congress construction of the Chatfield Tragically enough through the in authorized the Reservoir was As never constructed part of the some channel Creek which entire that reservoir State of Colorado action of the same is It now there act was I under way authorized improvement for part of Boulder have already discussed and the we channel South Platte River the of of Chatfield Dam to the from Fort Morgan vicinity Project about 7 miles That of channel improvement is being included will be accomplished assuming that the state can fulfill its obligation to secure the rights As part of way of the Chatfield for part of the channel that Our rights of way which is being this Board and the engineering the appraisal through is about completed on done That channel on the rest of leaves from about the downstream which This past year in of damages were channel and such Left as in city badly excess the South Platte limits needs of of Denver rectification 25 million worth incurred some of along the South Platte the upstream tributaries how many constructed on Hand Creek No matter reservoirs or how many dams are river there still remains the possibility any that channel flooding will occur The South Platte most of in very bad shape throughout its reaches It was the overflow from channel the rainfall is that we millions of dollars channel last year that created worth of damages along the had itself It will project to be necessary to authorization bring prepare a mine whether to now review the old it up to date and modern feasibility report to deter or not rehabilitate the it is economically feasible South Platte channel As I IIMRSTAPLETONIMRTHOMASIthemetropolitangrowthcontinuesanditwillcontinuetheprobabilityofdamagingfloodsoriginatingbelowMtCarbonandbelowChatfieldandbelowCherryCreekincreasesThisisbecauseofthemilesofasphaltconcreteandhomesthataredrasticallyalteringtherunoffpatternoftheriverWhat20or30yearsagocausednodamagesatallnowcreatesmanymillionsofdollarsofdamagesThiskindofthingwillonlygetworseinthefutureOurstaffatleastconsidersthattogiveanydegreeofprotectionalongtheSouthPlatteRiverwemustimprovethechannelbyasystemofleveesandstraighteningsothatthechannelcansafelycarrythefloodwatersWehaveaskedtheCorpsofEngineersOmahaDistricttoexplainitspositioninthismatterThenIdliketocallonMrCharlesFThomasCorpsofEngineersOmahaDistricttomakeastatementMrChairmanBoardmembersIlltrynottorepeatsomeofthegermanethingsthatMrSparkshassaidIllgiveyouafewofthefactsonthischannelasitwasplannedbackinabout1954Atthattimetherewasalengthofleveeandchannelincludedherenotcontinuousleveebutcontinuouslypartandintermittentotherpartsofabout121milesThesewererelativelylowleveesofabout9feetinaverageheightofconventionalearthconstructionperhapsmorenoteworthyinthisparticularstretchoftherivertherewassome78dropstructuresincludedwhichwereforcontrolofchannelbedlevelsandalsotofurnishtherequiredlocationsforirrigationdiversionsofwhichtherearemanydownthatparticularchannelTheaveragedroponthesewouldhavebeenabout5feeteachEstimatedcostsin1954totalcostswereabout34millionWedonotasofthis time have a COst estimate but it will new than undoubtedly be higher of this portion of this kind cases ments rights It is construction for in would now design have to Chatfield were soon as in delays cooperation getting in Cherry Cherry creek is ip operation the as we of the include the banks These would be I in segments done Creek Dams Originally only certain presently envisioned and will be If segments as requirements of local areas cropped up it could be This was in primarily ease furnishing land in such major There cost constructed could be conditions local federal of way The that cost which federal non some was if they Chatfield considered Cherry Creek Dam was con sidered fied from status on mentioned Dam as the further Going project inactive to 15 deferred July 1965 except the improvement from Chatfield a as for proper and this part of the Chatfield Project are preliminary preliminary from Denver rows for an down to Denver We reclassi was now restudy Sparks Mr was included in the process of preparing a in other words a examination look at see essentially Reservoir scheduled to be site sent at by the down this us channel through project the Nar time and this to the is Missouri Division in October of this year It is scheduled for completion at that time Subse quent to that it will go to the Chief of Engineers and assuming that the scope of the and project is not altered to a great extent I don t mean revised but values I by scope mean the actual physical layout of the project as a channel improvement and levee system then the Chief of Engineers could recommend the feasibility study of design scope or design memorandum struction scope which is the basis for con This then would permit construction I IIMRSTAPLETON1mTEIIJEYCKIwhenfundsaremadeavailablebytheCongressandwhentheassurancesoflocalcooperationarereceivedIfthescopeofthethingchangesinthispreliminaryexaminationstudythenwemightrequirenewauthorizationItwouldbemyoffhandopinionhereandnowintheabsenceofthecompletionofthepreliminaryexaminationthatthescopeprobablywillnotchangetoadegreethatwouldrequirereauthorizationTheresolutionwhichIthinkMrSparkshasifthisresolutionispassedandIsuggestedtohimaslightamendmenttoitifyouagreedtothistheninfiscalyear72wewouldbeabletogetfundsforthisfeasibilitystudywhichwouldbeupcomingafterthatThiswastheonlypurposeofthechangethatIsuggestedtoyouMrSparksThatIthinkisessentiallyaboutallthatIwanttosayaboutitunlesssomeonehassomequestionsDoanymembersoftheBoardhaveanyquestionsIthinkmaybeIdoBenifImayTherehasbeenIthinkasignificantchangeinthelastseveralyearsintheattitudenotonlyofthegeneralpublicbutofthemanyspeoialinterestgroupsregardingenvironmentalquestionsandIamnotcertainthataschemethatwasdevelopedbythecorpsin1954willnothavesomeneedforsomechangesifwearetoconcernourselveswiththepossiblegameandfishimpactonacompletechannelizationprojectofthePlatteasIunderstandthescopeofthispreviousstudyandIonlywanttosaythatIthinkthatgamefishandrecreationalandotherkindsofenvironmentalconsiderationsmayneedtogetcrankedintoadegreethattheyhaventbeenpreviouslyIfthismeansanewfeasibilitystudyIdontthinktheCorpsorweshouldbesurprised MRTHOMASMRSTAPLETONMRMOSESMRTHOMASIdohopethatifitisrenewedandopenedupagainthatthoseconsiderationswillreceiveproperattentionThisisanexcellentpointMrTenEyckandIthinkitisquiteobviousandyoustatedthecaseverywellthatplanswhichweremadein1954beforemostofushadheardofthewordecologyWemighthaveheardorenvironmenthutwehadntheardofecologyatthattimecertainlywouldhavetoberevisedtogetthemostacceptableandworkablesolutionsnotonlyfromthestandpointoftakingcareofthewaterinthechannelbutalsopreservingtheenvironmentandtheecologyalongthestreamandourofficehasbeenincreasinglyawareofthisWehavebeenincreasinglyactiveintryingtoworkwiththeecologicalandenvironmentalpeopleandwehavepeoplewhohavecapabilityintheseareassothatthisdefinitelywouldbeapartofthefeasibilitystudythatIamtalkingaboutIWeshouldnotbeunderanyillusionshoweverthatwecoulddothiswithoutsomedisturbanceofsomeoftheecologicalfactorsthatareprobablyevidentintherenowItmightnotnecessarilydamageallofthemitmightbethattherewouldevenbesomeimprovementsbutadefiniteeffortshouldbemadeasMrTenEyckjustpointedouttomakethiscompatiblewiththeenvironmentandecologydowntheriverandwewouldattempttodothisMrMosesItismyunderstandingandmaybeMrhomascancorrectmebutundertheIdontknowthecorrecttitleEnvironmentalControlActof1969thatCongresspassedtheeffectedagencieshavetointheirreportpointoutwhatdisbubanceswouldbemadethealternativesandprettywellcoverthisintheirreportsIhisiscorrectandthatactwaspassedinlate69Ibelieveandjustaboutamonthago IIMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRSlAPLEroNIMRSPARISMRMADONNAMRSPARKSwehadimplementinginstructionsfromourofficeoftheChiefofEngineerswhichtoldustodothisWeweredoingsomeofitbeforethatbuttheyhaveemphasizedandreemphasizedthistolduswhatwemustdoandweintendtogoasfarastheysayandperhapsevenfurtherTheyhaveputnolimitationsonhowfarwecangoTheyjuststipulatedamendmentsIthinkMrSparkshassomeamendinglanguagetotheresolutionthatisinyourfolderWillyougiveusthatpleaseLarryInourrequesttotheCorpsofEngineerstoreviewthisprojecttheysuggestthatonpage2oftheresolutionattheendofthefirstparagraphonthatpagewhereitsaystotheconstructionoffloodpreventionworksonthechanneloftheSouthPlatteRiverfromDenvertoFortMorganColoradothatthesewordsbeaddedandtheBoardagreestoprovideorassistintheorganizationofaresponsiblelegalentitytosponsorthelocalcooperationrequirementspriortoinitiationoftheconstructionofsuchfacilitiesThathasbeenournormalpracticeanywaybuttheydeemitnecessarytohaveitintheresolutionDideverybodygetthatwordingItstotheeffectthatweagreethatwewillcomeupwiththenecessarylegalentitytosponsorthisconstructionThatcaneitherbedonebythisBoarditselfwehavetheauthorityunderthelawaswearesponsoringtheimprovementbelowChatfieldorwecangetlocalagenciestosponsoritInthiscasewehavealocalagencywhichhasbeenreallyontheballlatelyandisanxioustogetintothisfieldThisistheFiveCountiesorganizationwhichisnowsevenoreightcountiesEightEightcountiescomprisingallthecounties MRVANDEMOEMRSTAPLETONMRVANDEMOERMRSTAPLETOQMRSMITHMRSTAPLETONMRTHOMASMRSTAPLETONalongtheSouthPlatteRiverIthinkwecanwellcarryouttheintentofthisaddedphraseMrChairmanImovetheadoptionofthisresolutionIthasbeenregularlymovedthattheresolutionwiththesuggestedchangesYesBeapprovedIsthereasecondIllsecondIthasbeenregularlymovedandsecondedIsthereanydiscussionAllthoseinfavoroftheresolutionasmodifiedwillsignifybysayingayeopposedorderedpassedSeeAppendixBThankyouverymuchMrThomasThankyouThereisonlyonemorethingthatIwouldliketotakeupbeforelunchandthatisthequestionoftheBoardsparticipationontheWaterPollutioncontrolCommissionAsyouallknowtheWaterBoardhastherightandobligationtodesignateonememberoftheBoardorsomepersontoactontheWaterPollutionControlCommissionHerbVandemoerhasbeenactinginthatcapacitysincethecommissionwassetupOnprioroccasionsIhavetoldyouhowhardajobthatisandhowmuchtimeandefforthehasgiventoitIknowweallappreciatethateffortIhavediscussedwithTomTenEyckHerbandSiBerthelsonaproblemthathascomeupontheWaterPollutioncontrolCommissionintermsofgettingawidespreadrepresentationfromthewholestateOnthebasisofourdiscussionsHerbhasagreedtoresigntoenableustogetaII IIMRRBWILLIAMSMRCORNELIUSMRSTAPLETONMRTENEYCKMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKStbroaderrepresentationfromthroughoutthestatesiBerthelsonhasnotreluctantlyIwouldntsaythatbutiswillingtoassumeaprettyimportantandburdensomeresponsibilityonthatcommissionIfIamexpressingwhatwetalkedaboutcorrectlyIwouldliketonowentertainamotionthatMrVandemoersresignationontheWaterPollutionControlCommissionasamemberdesignatedbythisBoardbeacceptedwithregretandinhisplaceMrSiBerthelsonbeappointedIwouldsomoveIsecondIsthereanydiscussionDidyouhaveacommentTomIwassimplygoingtosayitwillbeaninterestingnewexerciseforsiandforthoseofusonthecommissiontoworkwithSiIwouldliketoexpressaschairmanandasapersonalfriendofHerbsmygreatappreciationandfeelingoflossthatwearegoingtohaveinnothavingHerbwithusHehasdonearemarkablejobHehasknownthisproblemlongerthanIandsufferedthroughitlongerthanIHeisgoingtobeareallosstothecommissionandwewillmisshimImustexpresshowmuchthecommissionhasappreciatedhiswillingnesstoundertakethispersonalsacrificetohimhedoesnthavetocometothesemeetingsanymoreItisamatterofgreatpridetomethattheWaterConservationBoardhasbeenabletofurnishsuchacontributingmemberinthepastandIknowthatSiwillcarryoninthistraditionThankstoyoubothAllinfavorofthemotionwillsignifybysayingayeopposedsoorderedImightaddSithatoneofourstaff engineers Mr Longley is assigned to this particular task of assisting our representative so he will be glad to help you in any way he II can MR BERTHELSON Thank you MR STAPLETON All right Let about 30 to 45 minutes more Board meeting let be back here at The P MR M s recess think I recess s I have we take up on this now for lunch and to 15 1 meeting recessed at 12 05 P M Stapleton again presiding and reconvened at 1 15 with Chairman we ll call this item on the Gentlemen STAPLETON meeting to order The next by MR MOSES Ray Moses agenda is the report attorney our Ray Thank you Mr Chairman already been disposed of so I time on criteria has The won t spend any that Kuiper would be here to re port on the Rio Grande Compact Commission meet ing but I see Bill Smith is here in his place Mr Geissinger and Mr Cornelius are here They can add whatever they want as far as the compact I think one of the princi meeting is concerned I could report is that they don t pal things like our draft of the legislation in support of the Closed Basin Water Salvage Project They have promised to submit their objections and criticisms to us and then we will try to get together to see if we can iron them out I It on thought also Mr seems that Larry the John Martin Reservoir is pool going so I to won report t say anything here about that The last with the suit of my report deals attempt to get the united paragraph or the States before the District Court of Eagle County I IinawateradjudicationproceedingthereAsyouwillrecallJudgeLubyheldthathedidhavejurisdictionovertheunitedstatesundertheprovisionsofwhatisknownastheMcCarranAmendmentTheUnitedStatesthenappliedtothestateSupremeCourtforWritofprohibitiontoprohibitthestatedistrictjudgefromgoingaheadThestateSupremeCourtheldthatthestatecourtdidhavejurisdictionsotheunitedStatesappliedtotheunitedStatesSupremeCourtforaWritofCertiorariIcanreportbecauseIreaditinthepapernotbecauseIhaveheardofficiallythattheunitedStateswasgrantedcertiorariandthereforetheUnitedStatesSupremeCourtwillconsiderthequestionofwhetherornotthestatecourtofColoradohasjurisdictionovertheUnitedstatesinstatewateradjudicationmattersThebriefoftheUnitedstateswasprimarilytowardthequestionofadjudicatingreservedrightsTheUnitedStatesintheEagleCountycasehasanumberofrightswhiohithasacquiredfrompeoplewhointurnhaveacquiredthemunderstatelawAlthoughtheirappealisbroadenoughtocoverallkindsofrightsIhavethefeelingtheyareprimarilyconcernedabouttherightofthestatecourttoadjudicatereservedrightsOfcourseitisthereservationquestionthatconcernsusbecauseitisunknownWedontknowthequantityinvolvedIImightaddthattheStateofNewMexicoisseriouslyconsideringapplyingforleavetogetintotheUnitedStatesSupremeCourtcaseasafriendofthecourtbecauseitisnowinvolvedinawateradjudicationonthepojoaqueRiverinvolvingfederallandsandthesamequestionsareinvolvedthereWhattheSupremeCourtwilldowhenithearsthematteronitsmeritsIcannottellyoubuttheSupremeCourthasacceptedjurisdictionandnowwillhearthecaseIthinkthatisallIhaveMrChairmanunlesstherearesomequestions MRSTAPLBlOlhMRMOSBSMRGEISSINGERMRSMITHMRSTAPLETONMRSMITHMRSTAPLETONWhoisresponsibleforthecaseasfarasthestateisconcernedTheattorneygeneralNOthestateofcoloradoisnotofficiallyinvolvedinthiscaseTheadjudicationproceedingwasstartedbytheColoradoRiverDistrictandtherearenumberofprivateclaimantstowaterwhoareinvolvedandwhohaveappearedTheDenverBoardofWaterCommissionersIrepresentaprivateclientMrMillerappearsfortheCentralColoradoWaterConservancyDistrictThereareanumberofattorneysinvolvedbutthestateisnotapartyTheWaterBoardorthestatehasnoofficialpositionIjustthoughtitwasamatterofinteresttotheBoardandreportedonitforthatreasonIMrChairmanImightaddtothatthatupuntilnowandevenunderthepresentlawthestateisntapartyordinarilyinadjudicationproceedingsandthatisthereasonwetooktheposturethatwedidIalsomightsaythatatleastintheDepartmentoftheInteriortheyareproceedingtotakeaninventoryofalltheirprivatewaterrightsinthestateofColoradowiththeideathatifitwentoffonthereservationtheoryalonethattheymightdecidetoadjudicatetheirwaterrightsinColoradocourtsTherearequiteafewrightsofthatnatureTheyaresmallinamountbutneverthelesstheyareimportanttothevariousgovernmentalagenciesintheOepartmentofInteriorMrChairmanMrSmithInviewofwhatRaysaidontheRioGrandecompactIwouldbemosthappytogiveyouabriefreportofwhattranspiredthereaswellaswhatouroperatingcriteriaforthisyearisifyoualeinterestedIGorightahead MRSMITHIthinkthemostsignificantthingprobablyisthatweoverdeliveredthisyearbysome65000acrefeetWhilewearehappytohaveacredititwasnotanticipatedassuchOuroperatingcriteriawaswithamuchclosertolerancethanthisHoweverrainsinOctoberandveryheavywetsnowsinthelowerareasinNovemberresultedintwotothreetimesanticipatedrunoffduringthemonthsofOctoberNovemberandDecemberOfcourseallthecreditscameinthislastperiodoftimeITheotherthingthatIthinkisofsignificancetherearethreereservoirsinthevalleyBigMeadowsMillCreekandIcantrecalltheotheronerightnowthatarepostcompactreservoirsAsyouknowthecompactprovidesthatforreservoirsbuiltafter1937thewatermustbereleasedondemandfromthedownstreamstatesWemadequiteapresentationandhadhopedtoprevailontheotherstatestojoinusinaresolutionthatwouldallowustopickupfromtimetotimesmallrecreationreservoirsonthebasisofreplacementwatereitheroutofprecompactrightsoroutoftransmountaindiversionsTransmountaindiversionsarenoproblemprecompactrightscouldgiveussomeproblemsWeweresuccessfulingettingaresolutionthatthewaterinthesethreereservoirswouldnotbesubjecttocompactcallIamadvisedbytheengineeringadvisersthatasofnextyeartheywillbetakenofftheaccountingsheetsWefeelrealgoodaboutthisbattlesinceitisonethatcomesfromtimetotimeIAsamatterofinterestImightjustbrieflytellyouwhatourbasicgeneraloperatingcriteriaisDirectdiversionsarecurtailedduringthemonthsofJanuaryFebruaryandMarchandthenthroughcooperationwiththewaterusersintoAprildependingupontheearlymoistureconditionsthawconditionsandtemperatureandothermattersLastyearwewentquitefarintoAprilbeforewestarteddirectdiversionsWethencommencedeliveringaportionoftheDelNortegagewhichlastyearwas90percentoftheDel Norte a gage to the Colorado appropriators until date selected by the people in the valley as We being significant in that particular year then anticipate to go to a free river for a period of 60 days which period may be cut down if the runoff forecasts are significantly changed We then during that 60 day period of time anticipate going back to a program of delivering the Del Norte gage taking the return flows or half of the return flows depending on our water evaluation I about November 1st at which time the stream direct flows would again be curtailed and the water delivered to the state balance up until line Last year cipated the return throughout there and over most the of an increase in also had above the essentially I season anti our increase in an We norm a free river think don t any serious curtailments to the appropriators throughout the whole It year snow normal we flow we were Colorado low but allowed to go to were lst had we runoff on looks so as this year the March the snow is much below though far gage the Rio Grande considerably under last year hoping that by April 1st as are there has been some of precipitation of our additional water that can is The forecast be used in Of quite course of this date in the form anticipation I think our operating compact runoff criteria of last year met with the approval of the was people in the valley for the most part obviOUSly quite successful and we hope it continues to be as successful and next year in meeting under the stipulation our compact commitments MOSES Alberta Park is the third reservoir MR SMITH Yes MR STAPLETON Thank you Thanks Ray very much Any questions of Mr that in this year MR Alberta Park It Moses report I MRCORNELIUSIMRSMITHMRCORNELIUSMRSMITEIMRSTAPIEIOBMRSPARKSBillwhenyourefertotheDelNortegagedoyoumeanDelNortegageandMogotegageNoIprobablyshouldhaveclarifiedthatTheoperatingcriteriaIwasspeakingtowasparticularlywithregardtotheoperationoftheRioGrandeOntheConejositisalittlebitdifferentsituationTheyactuallyhaveamoreseverecompactcommitmentOnthatthewayweoperatedlastyearwastocurtaildiversionsinJanuaryFebruaryandMarchandintoAprilthesamekindofdatesThenweadjustedourcommitmentstothecompactbaseduponouroverdeliveriesofthosethreemonthsonouranticipatedrunoffanddeliveredthepercentageoftheriverthatwouldmakeourcompactcommitmentscomeaboutwiththeideathatinSeptemberwewouldadjustouttheOctoberandNovemberoverdeliveriesduetocurtailmentThanksNowmostofthis65000creditthatwegotcameoutoftheRioGrandeIsntthatrightIdontrememberexactlyIthinkitwasIdontbelieveitwasalloutoftheRioGrandeAsyouknowlastyeartheRioGrandepeopleagreedortherewassomeconsiderationgiventoaccountingthe10000credittotheConejosandusingthatplanIcantexactanyfiguresbutIthinktheywerebothoverTheRioGrandebyfarthemostQuincyyouarerightbecausewestayedaheadofthegameallthewaythroughontheRioGrandeandthiswasnottrueintheConejosuntilthelatterpartofSeptemberAllrightWellnowturntotheDirectorsRepOltLarryIllbeleavingthisafternoonrightafterthemeetingforWashingtonandwillmeetearlyinthemorningwithMrKuiperthestateengineer andwithrepresentativesoftheRioGrandeWaterConservationDistrictforameetingwiththecongressionaldelegationinhopesthatwecangettheClosedBasinreportreleasedbytheBureauoftheBudgethereportontheClosedBasinProjecthasbeenheldupbytheBureauoftheBudgetforsometimenowUndertheprojectlegislationwhichtheBoardapprovedaboutayearagoandwhichhassincebeenintroducedbymembersofourcongressionaldelegationwehaveproposedthatthefirst60000acrefeetofwaterwouldbepurelyafederalexpenseThisisbaseduponthefactthattheunitedStatesinadditiontogivingawaythewateroftheColoradoRiveralsogavewaterfromtheRioGrandeaivertotheRepublicofMexicoforreasonsexpressedinthetreatyasbeinginternationalcomityIdontknowwhetherthatisspelledcomedyorcomityInanyeventIdonotknowwhatitmeansWehavesuggestedthtsincetheUnitedStatessogenerouslygavewaterwhichoriginatesinthesouthwesttotheRepublicofMexicoalloftheunitedStatesshouldpayforitThisisthetheoryuponwhichthebillwasintroducedItprovidesthatthefirst60000feetwhichistheamountgiventotheRepublicofMexicobefurnishedatfederalexpenseheBureauoftheBudgethastakenapeculiarattitudewithreferencetothebillAsanexcusefornotdeliveringthereporttoCongresstheBureauoftheBudgetstatesthatthereisnoagreementamongTexasNewMexicoandColoradoconcerningthebillItisnoneoftheBureausbusinesswhetherornotthestateshaveagreedonitornotThatisamatterforCongresstodecideItisamostexasperatingthingbecausewecandonothingaboutthebillaslongasitisintheBureauoftheBudgetIthastogettoCongressifanyagreementonthelegislationistobereachedhisisreallyarusenottoletitoutoftheBureauoftheBudgetatallAnywayII IthisiswhatwewillbegoingbacktomeetoninthenexttwodaysIthinkatthattimewehaveaverygoodchancetogettheprojectauthorizedThisistheonlywaythatweknowoftosolvetheRioGrandeproblemFromareclamationstandpointitisthebestprojectwehaveinthestateofColoradotodayItshouldbeconstructedIsentpreviouslytotheBoardacopyofourapprovedbudgetforfiscalyear19707lItisselfexplanatoryIthinktheonlylessonswecandrawfromthisbudgetisthatthelegislatureismakingadrasticcurtailmentinourgroundwaterinvestigationprogramThishasbeenthecasenowforthreeconsecutiveyearsItappearsfruitlesstopursuetheprogramthatwethinkisnecessaryIntalkingtosomemembersoftheJointBudgetCommitteeIfindthereisagreatdealofskepticismaboutanytypeofstudyWeshouldgivealotofthoughttothebudgetwepreparethiscomingsummerItappearsthatweshouldconcentratemoreonprojecttypeoperationswhereweareactuallyassistingintheconstructionorthefinalplanningofvariousprojectsITherewasappropriatedtousthesumof25000whichwasnotrequestedThiswasfortheSanAntonioRiverProjectAtthistimewearenottoofamiliarwiththeprojectnordoweknowwhattheultimatecostmaybeItisawatersalvageprojectandwewillfollowuponitMembersofthestaffwillcheckouttheprojectduringthespringandsummermonthstoseeifwecandevelopaworthwhileprojectincooperationwiththeRioGrandeWaterConservationDistrictWewillpresenttotheBoardatalaterdatesometypeofplanconcerningtheSanAntonioRiverProjectAllweknowaboutittodayisthatalocalengineerhasmadeareconnaissancereportontheprojectArethereanyquestionsonthebudget MRKROEGERMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRVANDEMOERMRSTAPLETONMRVANDEMOERMRSPAlUSMRVANDEMOERMRSPARKSMRVANDEMOERMRSPARKSMRVANDEMOERMRSMITHHowdidWefarethisyearcomparedtolastyearAboutthesamethinghappenedTherewasabouta40percentreductioninourgroundwaterprogramWhendoyousubmityournextbudgetWeprepareitinAugustInAugustWhendidtheyhavethehearingsonyourlastoneWhenwouldyouanticipatethehearingsthistimeTheyaregoingtobeallnewmembersthistimeIunderstandexceptforSenatorLockeForthelastthreeyearsIhaveneverbeenadvisedofanyhearingsandIhaveneverattendedoneBencouldIaskaquestionMrVandemoerLarryisgroundwaterinthisArkansasComprehensiveandtheSouthPlatteandSanLuisIsthattheamountyouaretalkingaboutIIYesThegroundwaterpartofthatoristhatallsupposedtobegroundwaterUnderthistitleGroundWaterResourcesInthebudgetitjustsaysArkansasValleyComprehensiveminus20000UnderthetitleGroundWaterResourcesthereatthetopOhIseeThatdoesincludetheanalogprogramII IIMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRBURRMRSPARKSMRBURRMRSPARKSMRSTAPLETONMRSPARKSMRSMITHMRSPARKSYesthisistheanalogprogramandourbasicprogramWeareinthedarkastowhytheseamountswerecutoutWhopresentsthebudgetTheNaturalResourcesyesAsIunderstandtheprocedureMrTenEyckpresentsthebudgetforallofthedivisionsoftheNaturalResourcesDepartmentYearsagoweneverhadanytroublelikethisItisjustinthelastfewyearsthatwearehavingtroublewithourbudgetallthetimeWhyisthatInthepastthreeyearswehaveneverhadanopportunitytoexplaintoanyonewhatourbudgetwasaboutMaybeitwasamistakethengoingintotheNaturalResourcesWehadnochoiceaboutthematterItwasaconstitutionalamendmentwhichwasadoptedbythepeopleofthestateIdliketoseeifwecanthaveourDirectorandtheDirectorofNaturalResourcesseeifwecantworkoutsomeproceduretoatleastgetourappropriationsaswehavepresentedthemtotheJointBudgetCommitteeWehavesomeideaofthereasonsforthereductionThebudgetisreviewedbytheGovernorandhisbudgetstaffandafewchangesaremadeFromthatpointonwegetnonoticeuntilthefinaldaysofthelegislaturewhenthelongbillisintroducedThatisthefirstweknowaboutitanditisthentoolateLarrywerethesignificantpartsofthesecutsmadebytheJointBudgetAllofthemweremadebytheJointBudgetCommittee MRSMITHTheGovernorboughtyourbudgetaspresentedMRSPARKSThereweresomeadJustmentsandwemadethosebeforetheywerepresentedtotheJointBudgetCommitteeMRKROEGERCouldIaskMrSmithhowhisdepartmentfaredIMRSMITHOurbudgetwaspredicatedontabulationsandrealignmentofthedivisionofficesasyouknowandotheareasandwewerecutdrasticallyTheGovernorrecommendedthisiscomingoffthetopofmyheadsome2400000inournextyearsbudgtandtheycutus216000Thereisanadditionalproblemthere249000thatwerequestedinasupplementalappropriationforpurposesofgearingupandtodothethingsthathadtobedoneinthisearlywateryearAprilMayandJuneinconjunctionwithouractionswiththecourtssomeofwhichIamsureyouarefamiliarwithOutofthesupplementalwegotzeroSoinadditiontothe2l6000cutofcoursetherearesomeofsethingsthatwouldhavecarriedforwardintotheyearwhichofcoursewecannotaccomplishButwethinkweweredrasticallycuttooHoweverincomeofthethingsthatweproposetodoarentreallyidentifiableTheGovernorcutourbudgetbyseveralhundredthousandThereisthematterofphasinginpersonnelandthenJointBudgetcutusanother216000MRKROEGERWithallthenewdemandsonyourdepartmentwillyoubeabletoaccomplishthesethingsIMRSMITHIcertainlyhopesobutthethingthatbothersmethemostisthatifwemovedintosomeoftheareasthatwewillhavetothissummerandfindourselvestobeinatightspotnextyearwewouldhopepreviouslythatyoucouldgoinforanemergencyorsupplemental IItappropriationtotakecareoftheseproblemsbutaftertheproblemswehadthisyearofcoursethereisnokindofassurancelikethisItisobviousthatwiththeJointBudgetCommitteesstaffthisyeartheemergencythatwouldwarrantasupplementalappropriationwouldhavetobeofaveryemergencyandcatastrophicnaturealmostMRIROEGERWhentheypassawholebagofnewlegislationandexpectyoutoadministeritthatsanemergencyisntitMRSMITHRightIthinkwehavesomeoftheproblemsthatLarryisrelatingtoWepointedoutsomeofthesethingsandunfortunatelyweusedthewordstudyandeverytimeyousaystudytopeoplewhoarentfamiliarwithwaterresourcesandwaterrunoffprogramsandeverythingelsetheyimmediatelysaywelltheycanwaituntilJulylstortheycanwaituntilnextyearandthisiswherewehadourmostseriousproblemsonoursupplementalappropriationMRSPARISThereisnoquestionthatthedemandsformoneymadebygovernmentarebeginningtoexceedtheabilityofthetaxpayerstofinancethemWecantreallyquarrelwiththenecessitytoreducestateexpendituresTheproblemthatwehaveisthatwearenotconsultedaboutspecificitemsinthebudgetwhicharereducedoreliminatedThelineitemcutsaredisastroustousbecausesometimestheydontmakeanysenseForinstancewepublishreportsthroughtheGeologicalSurveyongroundwaterresourcesThosereportsaredistributedbythehundredsorbythethousandsactuallytocitizensofthisstatewhousethemtodevelopgroundwatersuppliesTheyareveryvaluablepublicationstothecitizensofthestateWhileweweregivenmoneytocarryontheprogramtogoaheadanddeveloptheinformationweWeregivennomoneytopublishitWecantdoanythingwiththeinformationWeaskedforIOOOOtopublishthereportsandwegotnothingIfwearedirectedtocut50000or MRSMITHMRSTAPLETONMRSPARXSMRBERTHELSON75000ifwecouldbeconsultedaheadoftimeandgiveninstructionsbytheGovernororsomeonetocutourbudgetandthenletusfigureoutwherethecutsshouldcomeitwouldhelpthesituationWehavenoknowledgeofthereductionuntilalmostthedayitisvotedonintheGeneralAssemblyIImightpointoutFredthatoneoftheexplanationsforourcutwasthatwewouldntbeabletostaffupasourprogramanticipatedwewouldhavetoandIwasverypleasedinreviewingapplicationsforourjobstofindthatwehavemorethan40professionalgraduateengineerssomewitharegistrationreportandsomewithoutthatareincredibleincidentallythathaveappliedSothestaffingupisntgoingtobetheproblembutthecutwhichwaskindofpredicatedonthisisgoingtohurtusmuchmorethanitistheBudgetCommitteeAnyfurtherdiscussionsonthebudgetMaybeatournextmeetingyoucanreportonthisastowhatwecandoifanythingOurmajorproblemhasbeentheinabilitytocontactstaffmembersoftheJointBudgetCommitteeInpreviousyearsWeworkedcloselywiththestaffoftheJointBudgetCommitteeandhadtheseproblemsprettywellironedoutButinthelastthreeyearswejusthaventbeenabletomakeanycontactwiththestaffmembersoftheJointBudgetCommitteeTheydosometimescallonthetelephoneandaskWhatisthisitemaboutandthatsaboutitIthinkthethefactthatweattentionoftheBudgetCommitteeuponthatrealbreakdownhasbeeninhavenotbeenabletogetthefulltimestaffoftheJointIhopethatwecanimproveILetmeaskonemorequestionadministrativematterapparentlyItisanIfwewere U JJ to get away from the present system in which the Director bf Natural Resources does all the for lobbying speak dure where I under the S SPAJU would get a Can the we so to change this proce hearing before the Governor do that law This No artment to Committee Budget MR in the de everybody what would it take is The Governor has strictly control no a legislative matter over it MR BERTHELSON He wouldn t have anything MR KROEGER Well understanding could some to do with that be created with the Director of Natural Resources whereby these agencies could have a little more direct line MR into the S SPAJU Budget Committee The work is prior basically done during the legislature convenes year the time the to It is done mostly by the staff members of the Joint That is a corlstantly changing Budget Committee staff People know from one come year budget and that actually occur your I effort we can Budget try think that Mr where the breakdowns s Eyck is making every to improve the situation We hope that sit down with the staff of the Joint Ten committee in the next few months and out some procedure where the staff who is handlih our budget or the Game to work member and Fish to and go You hardly ever the next who is handling to or whatever it is sits down and talks us The next item is the John Martin Reservoir I A few months ago Mr permanent pool problem Ten Eyck called a conference with members of our staff and the Game determine how we can Fish and Parks solve this staff to permanent pool problem finally agreed that it would be the responsibility of the staff of this It was Board to consummate the the permanent pool purchase of water The legislature has for appropriated million dollars a this purpose for already have some good ideas of what water rights would be applicable for this purpose We contract which has been We have drafteq up a approved by the Game Fish and Parks Commission and submitted to the Governor approval which for authorize the purchase of the Las Animas Ditch Company to be utilized for a permanent would in John Martin Reservoir pool The Las Animas Ditch is about the I last ditch on the Arkansas River above John Martin Reservoir with fairly good water rights the Actually feet total water We have offered is right 550 00 a for 38 share for A share is issued stock of that company a share of stock per acre of second the on the basis of land irrigated is that we 550 00 of the in So an acre to purchase the taking land think this We means the land at or any is offer the fair market value of the land of There is not much 550 what it essence without improvements excess worth in offering are 00 an land in the Arkansas for not acre valley farming purposes 700 00 The ditch company made a counter offer of Our offer is per share which we cannot meet final and firm then we will e secure that will we t can lore other right then secure that water If avenues assuming we can we can get the the Arkansas Compact Administration that into the John Martin pool of approval we If convert That is about the amount of water that would be required to maintain We have that permanent pool offered to take options on this stock for six months with an option to renew for another six months depending of course upon favorable consideration by the Arkansas Compact Administration options is June lst deadline Our at which time we on those said we must have of a options for at least 1200 shares out total of about 1800 in order for us to proceed with the transaction with the farmers that if we We have do take year that they can continue to through this irrigation season use agreed options this the water I MR STAPLETON Do you have right any of condemnation on this MR SPARKS No we not are condemnation exercising any right of is strictly a willing This Whether the state purchaser buyer agreement I has the right question In condemn that water to any event there is is open to to plan no utilize condemnation Any questions MR BERTHELSON Do you have your offer MR SPARKS No that on to contingent which 1200 all buy the shares getting on together Is all the shares with other some rights that the corps of Engineers owns they will turn over to the state we could get by with 1200 shares But as a margin of safety for critical periods we really need the entire water right water which MR VANDEMOER would that Larry land become dry land then MR SPARKS It would become MR VANDEMOER They have That s MR S SPARI the MR SMITH Thanks a MR PICKREL Larry what point MR state engineer that ditch s prOblem I lot are the not have divert the water I under yes means of changing the of diversion We would SPARKS wells no land dry at the We could change it and headgate right into to the reservoir MR PICKREL If you only acquire a would have local users who of that you still along that portion are ditch MR SPARKS hat s right but they would be entitled toonlytheirshareofthewaterMRPICKRELCertainlyyouwouldhaveconsiderableobjectionifthewaterisdivertedfromtheirditchandonintoJohnMartinandthenifyouallowedittoflowdowntheriverMRSPARISWecanleaveitintheriverasfarasthatgoesButthestatewouldthenactuallybecomeapartowneroftheLasAnimasDitchcompanyandwouldhavetocontinuetopayitsassessmentsItwouldbejustanotherstockholderintheditchcompanyMRPICIRELYouaretryingtobuycontrollingstockintheTownDitchMRSPARKSThatscorrectMRPICIRELHowaboutConsolidatedItisalsodivertedthroughIIMRSPARKSThesamewayThatspartofthesamedecreeWehavemadethesameoffertotheConsolidatedMRPICXRELtconsolidatedisgoingtoputup5sharesIbelieveandTownDitch321MRSPARKSYestheyactuallyareshareholdersintheTownDitchMRPICIRELImean5secondfeetMRSPARKSYes5secondfeetMRPICXRELconsolidated5and32fromtheTownDitchMSPARISTheyownstockintheliasAnimasDitchcompanyandwehaveofferedtobuytheirstockItsthesamestockatthesamepriceWhatwewouldhopetodoistoactuallyworkoutperhapsanarrangementwithFtLyonstodivertatFtLyonsheadgateWethinkthisII can be very beneficial arrangement to most of a the water state demand times the there because most users the pool would be less than is diverting for what the Las Animas Town Ditch I MR PICKREL MR SPARKS We pass somewhere over 27 over the amount of water in there to get the water to them is This I an for correct arrangement of the all We think we that would be most appropriators on can work out advantageous the Arkansas River A brief State Water item Proposed Amendments to the they all failed with the Code of the court proce Substantive amendments did pass the exception dures but House The some they concerning were final item rejected by the Senate the Narrows concerns Proj We have ect Aspinall received word from Congressman that hearings on the Narrows Project will be held in Washington D C on April l6 This is to reauthorize the Narrows Governor Love and I will appear before Project the committee to testify for the project If any of the Board members would like to attend those hearings on the 16th and l7th if you will advise us we will make the necessary and 17 arJ angements Yesterday I testified in the District Court in Greeley concerning the adjudication in a part of which is to adjudicate progress there a water right to the proposed Narrows Reservoir a conditional right There is still some en trenched opposition to the Narrows Project I I suppose that will continue until ed and perhaps thereafter also The Narrows Project as the Board will It should have been was it is construct authorized in 1946 recall Twenty four years constructed long since Preconstruction started in 1948 During the period starting in 1965 and through this year ago MRVANDEMOERwewillhavewastedatthestatelineintheneighborhoodofamillionandahalfacrefeetofwaterInadditionthatwatercreatedflooddamagesinexcessof500millionWehadtheopportunityyearsagothroughtheauthorizationoftheNarrowsin1946andthesubsequentauthorizationoftheChatfieldin1950tohaveeliminatedallthatdamageInsteadofcomingupwitha500milliondeficitwewouldhavehadamultimilliondollarcreditthroughtheuseofthatwaterTheactualfactsarethatwehavewastedaboutlmillionacrefeetofwatersince1965aboutanaverageentireyearsflowoftheSouthPlatteRiverItaveragesoutmorethan250000acrefeetofwaterannuallythatwearewastingatthestatelineThisistheamountofwaterroughlyequivalenttowhattheColoradoBigThompsonprojectimportsfromtheColoradoRiver250000isalsoroughlyequivalenttotheamountofwaterforwhichDenverhasspentahundredmilliondollarstoimportfromthewesternslopeItisincrediblethatwecontinuetowastethisgreatvolumeofwaterThisisanamountofwaterwhichwouldsupportamillionpeopleforindustrialandmunicipalpurposesItwouldirrigateagoodmanythousandacresoflandYetwehaveneglectedtostopthiswasteTheNarrowsProjectisonemethodofpreventingthiswasteIWehaveprojectsthathavebeenonthedrawingboardnowforanumberofyearsthatwouldhaveeliminatedtheflooddamagesandpreservealotofourwaterresourcesWearehopefulthatatlonglastwecangettheNarrowsProjectreauthorizedTheGpvernorhastakenanactivepartinpromotingtheprojectIamsurehistestimonywillcarrysomeweighttwoweeksfromnowintheCongressIArethereanyquestionsontheNarrowsLarrydoyouthinkthat63datetheFtMorganpeoplegotjusttheotherdaywillthatmakeanydifferenceatallinthesehearings MR SPARKS think not I That was a conditional decree You may have noticed in some of the local news papers that the District Court entered a decree in the water court way for the Hardin or being promoted by the Narrows out point from MR site not site The group which is opposing What the articles didn t come 20 million from the is coming federal govern there any other business to If not I would like to Is site is from state government nor STAPLETON a is where the It will ment Greeley which opened the 20 million reservoir at the Weld a county site I in the Board come before suggest that meeting be in Denver on the second Is that agreeable Wednesday in June June lOth We have got some problems on the lOth Would the 3rd be all right All right we will have our next it then June MR BERTlmLSONI MR STAPLETON I The C I ll now III SO move We meeting was cZ Secretary I r 3rd in Denver f are entertain a motion that we 2110 P M fI adjourned unanimously journed at adjourn APPENDIXARES0UT10WHEREAStheUSCorpsofEngineersOmahaDistricthascompletedtheFloodPlainInformationReportBoulderCreekandSouthBoulderCreekVolumeIIBoulderMetropolitanRegionColoradoandWHEREASsaidFloodPlainInformationReportoutlinesanddescribesthestormorfloodrunoffchannelswithintheabovedescribedareasandWHEREASArticlel49lll4ColoradoRevisedStatutes1963requiresthattheColoradoWaterConservationBoarddesignateandapprovestormorfloodwaterrunoffchannelsandtomakesuchdesignationstolegislativebodiesoflocaljurisdictionsandWHEREASArticle13960lColoradoRevisedStatutes1963providesthatsuchcitiestownsincorporatedareasandlocaljurisdictionsshallprovidezoningregulationsforanystormorfloodwaterrunoffchannelonlyafterdesignationandapprovalbytheColoradoWaterConservationBoardandWHEREAStheDenverRegionalCouncilofGovernmentshasrequestedtheColoradoWaterConservationBoardtodesignateandapprovethefloodhazardareasassetforthntheInformatiopReportandaforesaidUSCorpsofEngineersFloodPlainWHEREASthestaffoftheBoardsreviewedsaidFloodII 1 Plain Information Report and does Conservation Board that said Board Water flood hazard I ject to those areas intermediate an servation Board in regular lst hazard mediate day areas those areas flood Boulder Creek Boulder County a E certify resolution to and to C and I Colorado forth South in Denver and Colorado approve being inundated by as in the Flood Boulder Creek Plain flood as inter an Information in Volume II and the the Board of the Denver of the Secretary Board that the a the lst County Commissioners of Regional Council foregoing is majority in day of Governments C F R adopted by on being sub as the Colorado Water Con by designate Colorado rado Water Conservation Board Denver in the report as certified copy of this resolution to the a City Council I it IT FURTHER RESOLVED that is directed to send of set Metropolitan Region BE Boulder that described as and approve designate meeting assembled 1970 April regional Report for Boulder of RESOLVED IT recommend to the Colorado flood regional BE forth set areas THEREFORE NOW this hereby a true of the members regular session of and correct April 1 FELIX L of the Colo assembled at 1970 d SPARKS copy ecretary RES0LUT0WHEREASduringthepastseveralyearsextensiveflooddamageshaveoccurredalongthechanneloftheSouthPlatteRiverfromDenvertoFortMorganColoradoandWHEREASastheresultofcontinuingmetropolitangrowththereisaprobabilitythatsuchflooddamageswilloccurwithmorefrequencyinthefutureandWHEREASitappearsimperativeforthefuturewelfareandsafetyofthecitizensofColoradothatadequatefloodcontrolprotectionbeprovidedalongthechanneloftheSouthPlatteRiverincoloradoandWHEREASbytheFloodControlActof1950aprojectwasauthorizedtoimprovethechanneloftheSouthPlatte9iverfromDenvertoFortMorganforfloodcontrolprotectionandWHEREASthepurposesofthe1950FloodControlActhavenotbeencarriedoutthroughlackofpastappreciationbytheStateofColoradoanditsresidentsoftheseriousfloodthreatwhichisnowposedbytheaccumulationoffloodwatersintheSouthPlatteRiverNOWTHEREFOREBEITRESOLVEDbytheColoradoWaterConservationBoardinregularmeetingassembledinDenverColoradothislstdayofApril1970thattheCorpsofEngineersuSArmyberequestedtoexpeditethenecessaryactiontocarryoutthepurposesoftheFloodControlActof1950assaidactpertainstotheII IIconstructionoffloodpreventionworksonthechanneloftheSouthPlatteRiverfromDenvertoFotMorganColoradoandtheBoardagreestoprovideorassistintheorganizationofaresponsiblelegalentitytosponsorthelocalcooperationrequirementspriortoinitiationoftheconstructionofsuchfacilitiesandBEITFURTHERRESOLVEDthatasanintermediatemeasuretheCorpsofEngineersberequiredtoinitiatefurthersnaggingandclearingprojectsalongtheSouthPlatteRiveranditsdownstreamtributariesasauthorizedbytheFloodControlActof1937andthatemergencybankprotectionworksbeconstructedasrequiredundertheauthorizationoftheFloodControlActsof1944and1946andBEITFURTHERRESOLVEDthattheSecretaryofthisBoardisdirectedtosendacertifiedcopyofthisresolutiontotheDistrictEngineeroftheUnitedStatesArmycorpsofEngineersatOmahaNebraskaandtoeachofColoradoselectedrepresentativesandsenatorsintheUnitedStatesCongresscRTFCTIcertifythattheforegoingisatrueandcorrectcopyofaresolutionadoptedbyamajorityvoteofthemembersoftheColoradoWaterConservationBOardinregularsessionassembledatDenverColoradoonthelstdayofApril1970VcKFELIXLSPARKSecretary