Page I IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 17TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA CASE No.: STATE OF DA, Plaintiff, vsI RAYMOND TI ADAMS, Defendant. VIDEO DEPOSITION OF 110 East Broward Boulevard Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 1 AugusL 22nd, 2012 1:05 pmu -- 1:45 pm. (954) 467--8204 APEX REPORTING GROU Page 2 APPEARANCES: For the Plaintiff: STACY HONOWITZ, ESQUIRE (TELEPHONIC) Office of the State Attorney .V 'rrwam??' 201 Southeast Sixth Street Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 \?b?ltn For the Defendant: RUSSELL J. WILLIAMS, ESQUIRE 633 Southeast Third Avenue M). MIIHI mm: Suite 4HF Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 4 5353?? :4 :mwmamm. A Jaw: sm.m?a?s analyze .- manner-men - a m? {elk-??aw; ami?m . a a ii. 1?75 {we 353:): 3 may.? 32;? Kiwirlqum amt APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 tness (By Mr. Williams) (By Ms, Honowltz) INDEX Cross Direct 33 EXHIBIT 1NDEX None Redirect 36 Page 3 APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 46778204 Page 4 HEREUPON: a wltness named in the noLiCe hcxetofore flied, having been first duly sworn, deposes and says as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. WILLIAMS: Q. All tight. Ms - you can relax and put your hand down1nd1catsd excuse me -- Me, Honowltz is an the telephone here' so if she has the: she needs to talk to you about or you need to talk to her about, let me know ard I'll step out of the roomu Okay? 3. Okay. Q. All righr. And 1 knew there's a little bit of a delay, so we'll just have to, ynu know, just deal with in But make sure you answer out loud, ever more so new, because the coutt reporter is taklng down, and she actually has same dlgital recorders hate, I dun't know if you can see them, but there are some diglta] recorders here, so she's actually recording everything thaL we'xe saying Okay? A. Oxay. Q. All right. Ann it yeu don't A. New, I APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) Ale/78204 Page 5 IQ. Go ahead. I'm-sorry. 2 A. I just don?t know how this works. 3 Q. All right 4 A. I'm just really confused. 5 Q. I?m going to tell you in a second how that works, 6 okay. I'm going to ask you some questions, all right, and 7 you're going to give me answers. 8 If you don't know the answer, tell me. If you don?t 9 understand the question, obviously tell me. Okay? 10 A. Okay. 11 Q. And I don?t anticipate this being very so 12 if there's a time where you need to step out, or if you need i 13 to, like I said, speak to the prosecutor, you can do so. 14 Okay? 15 A. Thank you. 2 16 Q. And that's basically about it. 17 The reason why you?re here is because your name has a 18 been given to me regarding any individual by the name of 19 Raymond Adams. Do you know who Raymond Adams isOkay. Indicating that there was some type of i 22 inappropriate sexual conduct going back a number of years, i 23 and the State Attorney gave me your name indicating that they 24 want to use you as a witness in the case against Mr. Adams 25 that?s currently pending here in the State of Florida. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 Yes, sir. or Okay. 50 based upon :hdL, I'm just going L0 as you a series of questions and we can go from there, all right? A. Okay. All right. And how old are you now? Okay -- a. 1'11 be--next month. 9. And the address that I mailed the subpoena to, thaL you): current address? 51. was My parents Don't give just moved back to t, 9. 1 dun't want you to give me your address, okay. don't want you to say it on the record. 15 there another address -- at I -- oh, okay. Q. Is there another address that you currentiy now A. Yes. Q. Okay. that acdress been provided to M5. Hancwitz? A. Yes. {2 Okay But you did get these did you get the is I APEX REPORTING GROUP (954' 116743204 Page subpoena that 1 mailed to you in--7 Al I did. Q. Okay. But that's not the current address that you're a: new? no No. It was forwarded to my parents' new address. Q. okay, i he. Could you please tell me have you ever been arrested before? A. No, go Okay. who: are you dolng now? Are you in school? no you work? A. Both; yes, sir. Q. All Tell me, what school do you go to? 9. Okay. And do you work? A. I do. I wait Lables or. a_ It's a sLeakhouse. 9. Okay. And do you remember an indivldual by the name ol' Raymond Adamsyou rcmembex him? A. He was my gymnaseros about 15 years ago. And where was he your gymnastic couch? AL the '1ch in st. Louis, Missouri. Q. Okay. And how Long were you the YMCA in Louls, Missouri? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467v82C4 Page 8 A. I'd say approximately, maybe six months. Q. And when do you remember from what date to what date? A. It was approximately, I'd say, probably the_fa11 of 1997 until May of '98. MS. HONOWITZ: Could you repeat that? I couldn?t hear that. What's the date? MR. WILLIAMS: Could you what question do you want her to-repeat? MS. HONOWITZ: That last one that you just asked her. You just asked her certain dates. BY MR. WILLIAMS: Q. All right. What date were you at the Ms. Honowitz wants you to repeat that. From what date to what date? A. It was the the fall of 1997 until May of 1998. You got that, Stacy? MS. HONOWITZ: Yes, I got it. Thanks. BY MR. WILLIAMS: Q. All right. And what when you got to that YMCA was Mr. Adams a teacher there already? A. As far as my knowledge goes, yes. Q. Okay. And did you join a specific group? I mean, what did you A. I think it was I don?t remember the name of it. an war?. has; .. - 7- APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467w8204 - 1' ?er . trill ??WiT?t?h-an? . ii?iihli?l P. $555133 :1 . '?ld'??iie?idZ?u 'Ju?a?emm 5' 9- .3 .22. . . . .. .9, W?M?l?mr? - Page 9 It was just a group of us of the girls. We were all about the same age. Q. Okay. And how many girls were there in that - in his training group? A. I can?t remember an exact number, but I'd say probably six of us maybe, seven, max. Q. Okay. A. Max, seven. And tell me what type of gymnastics training you were ongoing at the time. A. Learning how to do cartwheels, back We played on the foam triangle mats; learning how to do kips, things like that on the uneven bars. Nothing remember, we were 7 and 8 years old. We weren?t doing flips quite yet. Q. And that was my next question. How old do you think you were when you were there at the time? A. I was 7 years old. And then by the time yeah, then I guess 7 to 8 years old. - F: MmEtaw' 57'1"- . Q. Okay. Now A. 7 years old, I was 7. Q. I'm sorry, repeat that? A. No, I was 7 years old. Q. Okay. Now, what grade were you in at the time7 A. I guess it was probably in the third grade, going into the fourth. ?gamma - .7 533:1?; . APEX REPORTING GROUP ?1 (954 L55. 5.2} #:E'Smlw I 1' 467-8204 'ngkW . um swam; Page 10 the works. under there, whoever did Q. Okay. Was there ever a time that there was an indication that Ray may have done something inappropriate with you? A. By whom?V By me or by someone else? Q. Right. Did you make any allegations that Ray had Mr. Adams had done anything inappropriate with you? A. At that time, no. Q. Okay. Was there any time that he did something inappropriate with you? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And when was that? A. - During gymnastics practice. Q. And do you remember a specific incident or incidents, more than one? A. Yes. Unfortunately, I do. Q. Okay.. Could you please explain to me what specifically happened and where you were? A. It was during gymnastics practice in the middle of the YMCA section where the uneven bars are; blue mats, So we would sit underneath the uneven bars and we would talk, we wou1d play Duck, Duck, Goose. We would play games and that was at that point when whoever won or the best got to sit in Ray?s lap. Q. Okay. v'il?eiw?lli} .04? . . .mwiifwsua w! 5? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467?8204 Work for. Page 11 A. And it was something, you know, he wanted you to It was something that he wanted you to try to win. And when you would sit in his lap it he would touch you, you Q. Take your time. A. He would touch you inappropriately. He would rub on your stomach, on your chest, down to your genital area. but really, you know, you knew what was going on and the And he would keep talking like nothing was going on, other girls sitting in the circle could see. But that was the thing, at that time with Ray being your coach, you wanted to impress him- You know, he was your coach; you wanted to win. would do those things to me, And so the only when I would sit in his lap and he it was wrong. at the time I didn't know that Q. All right. Was there anything specific that he did? Any specific body part that he touched on you? A. Yes; my vagina and my stomach and my breasts. Q. Okay. How did he touch your vagina? A. He would rub on my vagina through my leotard, down my legs. Q. Okay. Outside or under the leotard? A. - On the leotard; and I can only remember one time that he got he got underneath my leotard. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 if}. W?v??e 33:32.53: sat-Emmamwswu-ewram-WW . 53:! - 151?? 539537?? . germ ?sun". sums- warms. i? Wil' 13715."! Wynne-w .Kx?zwlu?m?wk WSW . Page 17 9. Okay. And when he got underneath your leotard what happened? a. He would rub. There was no - no insertion of the finger or like that, but would rub. q, And where would this occur? While you were sitzing on th lap? 11. Yes. 9' Anything ever occur at the uneven bars? Or Under them. That's w'mre all this would happen or Yes. e~ under the uneven here? Yes, during practice. our parents were 51mm; no than maybe 30 feet awayr 9. Okay. And would your parents witness this? A. No. rls, you said, would wltness this Lhough, A. Yes. 1 can anly remember one other that wou)d sit his lap. It was a girl that no also re 1 don't know 1: he ever did to her, but 1 do know that he spent. as much lee wiLh her no he and erh me. or Okay. Do yoL romomber who that was? A. The 91171 that was my age, her name was -or APEX GROUP (954) 46778204 11Page 13 9. Okay. Have you A, And I haven't. talked te her in probably 15 years. 9, Okay yuu ever re how many times did this happen? A. That I can CDunt, at least five. Q, Over how long a period of time? a. From fall af 2009 to May of 2000 I'm sorry, 2007 re 1 mean, the tall of 1997 to May of '99. Q. Okay A. 1 did spend time with Ray outside of the gym, but to my knowledge - to my memory' I can't remember him doing anything to me autside of the gym. Q. All right. Explain to me whet because that was a bunch of questions that 1 was going to ask yDu. Explain to me what you mean about spending time with Ray outside the gym: when and where? A. He would take myself and we would go shopping, He also worked at the sharper Image, iv; was at the Sharper Image, and he would bring us toys. He breught us a he had broughL both et us Fuxbies. I don't know it you remember those little, furry gadget :hings tnat talked. 9. Right. A. He would he gave me a PolarOld camera Lo take pictures DI my friends He would take us out to the water "neat U. at APEX GROUP (954) 467-8204 Page 14 parks out An St. Louls. Q. Okay. And occurred ~e what clty and state was this? n. we wake ln -nt the time, and the water park was in St. Louls, and he worked at the mall 1h St. Louis. So." Q. Okay. And the was locaLed in St, Louis? A. To my knowledge, yea. The ee yes Okay. The YMCA is in St. Louis or St. Charles, one at g. okay. How many tines excuse me. How many tlmee would you hang out with Ray outside of the gym? A. Before May, probably not very many, not that I can :emembet. Howeve:, after May he was no longer my coach. And then -- a, when you say --A I think ee "after May" ee May of 1999. Okay. So 1 got you from the fall of '97 Lo May of '98. Wny was he no longer your coach after 1998? a In May he at here am in Texas "a Was arrested a. his sister's graduatjcn. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954', 46778204 Page 15 At that point he was f)red, and I went to work - or I went to the gymnastics gym, _(phanetio) Q, And where was that ioeated? A1 I tl'lnk it was probab'iy in the same area, St. Charies, St. Louis, right in that same place. 9. Now, the rneidents Lhat you're taiking ahnut that occurred e- we11, 1et me back up. So during Lhat sixenonth period that you were with Ray, approxmate1y now many times do you think you actually had interaction with him outside of the gym? A. Very not at ail, aimost, 1 to my memory, maybe ce, Q. Were you ever aione with him -- A. My mom -- Q. outside the gym? A. At that point, not that 1 remember. During practices, like during that time when he was my coach, no, 9, Now, any Clme that you had met hm outside the gym, was t'nere any type of inappropriate conduct on the part of Raymond Adams? remember when we wenL Lo the water park with -- She was my >7 we had big sisters, 1itt1e sisters. she was my big sister. And remember him adjusting my baLhing suit at the water park, a mus .e (954) 467-8204 APEX REPORTING GROUP Page 16 Q. Okay. Anything else? Were there any parents around, by the way, at the water park? W4 A. Not ours, no. Q. Any supervisors? Any adults? A. He was the adult. 3 Q. All right. So there was nobody else that was there? i A. No. Q. Okay. Now, going back to the gym, there were, you i said, five separate times where Ray had placed you underneath the uneven parallel bars and had touched you in the vaginal area? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And with respect to ?u with respect to that, the first time that it happened did you ever say anything to anybody in authority, including your parents? A. No. Q. All right. The same question for the second time that that happened. . A. No. i never told anyone until I was about 19. Q. All right. So would it be a fair statement that you never told anyone any of the times that Ray is alleged to have touched you inappropriately? i A. Yes, that's true. 2 lg Q. Okay. At 19 years old, what happened? What made Page 17 it come up? A. I had had dreams about it. I had memories. And I tried aw I at that point, you don?t want to believe that it's true; and at that time, I didn't understand what was going on. And once I finally really started to go back and think about exactly what happened, I realized that it wasn't a dream. It was something that had happened. And I decided to, you know, talk to my mom about it. When he was arrested there was a lot of controversy in_ 1998, and nobody really talked to us about it. We were so young. We didn?t understand what had happened. And all I. knew was that he had been arrested, and he wasn?t going to be my coach anymore. ?an; Q. Okay. A. And when I told my mom what happened, word for word what I'm telling you, she said that's exactly what had happened to another girl and that he was in trial in Florida. Q. All right. And when did she tell you that? A. At that time that I told her. Q. All right. So is that how you But I told my mom. Q. Well, when you talked about him being arrested, you're talking about being arrested when he stopped being your coach or when he was arrested here in Florida? ma. ?vaswaaim-?rr APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467~8204 Page 18 a: r: 1! A. When he stopped being my coach in 1998 was when he was arrested in Texas. When I told my mom several years ago, it was when he was arrested here in Florida. And she said, just read an article about him in the paper. You need to contact Stacy Honowitz." we. disarmma ?war. Q. Okay. So that's how you wound up contacting her? A. Yes. Q. Okay meaning, Ms. Honowitz. A. Yes. .Q. You had no conversation with any members of law #519135. 1535?" enforcement at all A. No. -- 59.32% Q. 7 ?u until this day? A. No. Q. Other than Ms. Honowitz, you haven?t spoken to ?sia? mm. . anybody, right? :Ji' a. mm A. About this? Q. Yes. A. As to law enforcement, no. I have -- no. Q. All right. You didn't give any sworn statements to anybody, correct? A. 1N0. Q. All right. No police reports were made concerning Ray Adams and the five separate times that he may have touched you inappropriately? . in! smug-munam AW :?lliihim m'n?l? ME 'z 123%.? .-. :Wxasc'ar??r 943%? a: 9? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467w8204 5 Page 19 A. No. 9. Okay. None or the times Lhat you were at Lhe 7 those five times that you were talkinq abou -- none of lees that that had happened were you alone him, correct? A. No, 1 was never alone with him at those :imes. Q. okay. But it was always in a crowded gym" A. Yes Q. All right A. LC was our group of girls. 9, And with those othe: correct? A. Yes. Q. OKay. And did he do this with any other girls other than A. Yeah, - Q. Okay. I know you had mentioned one name earlier. Any cf the other girls? Not that i can remember. she was my friend. 1 think that's why I probably remember it more so than anyone else. Q. Okay. Now,-was your 7 about the same age as you? A. Yes, Q. And she waa part at the six or eiqht that were together in that group? Yes. APEX REPOR GROUP (954) 46778204 Page 2c 9. may. New, did you ever tell anybody mm: was 111 charge at the YMCA about (his? A. No. I never menticnad 1t to anyone ever. q. Okay. mu, I guess after Ray was arrested he ohvmuaxy he wasn't your coach anymore, Correct? a. Right. Q. And am you move away from the st. Louls Elsa? 15 Lbs! when you moved to- or, in when we moved to- All And you conLlnued in correct? (L when did you if you're not still doing it, are No. okay, Because at. you'd probably be in the Olympics right now if yon were 5:1,1 domg it, :ight? A. Yes, that's the hope' Q. Okay. Bu: you're not an the gymnastics team College, are you? A. NO. Q. Okaywas just caucus. Okay, yeah. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 only because you watched the Olympics recently and you see A. Q. incident? A. Q. A. he was gay. all the gymnastics people. I: Jazmi-WZC} Page 21 It has really nothing to do with anything. Anyway Yes. Mk Sure. Now, did you keep in touch with Ray after the After you moved Yes. away, and after he was not your coach? I did. We I'll be honest; my parents thought i a i They never saw Ray with any women his own age. 3 i Q. Okay. A. And, I mean Q. Did you ever see him with any menOkay. A. But never with a woman I mean, not his own age, . i at least. 35; . i Q. When you say "not his own age," what age would you see him with? I mean, obviously, going back ?years he was much younger then. i i A. So, I guess he was in his mid?20s. So, I mean, we 3 i never saw him with any girls except for, well, us; to APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467*8204 Page 22 lueyeer--olds. 9. Okay. Now, I asked you about you staying 1n touch him. like, how would you stay in touch with him? would you send letters, pictures? You were still doing gymnastles at the tl're? A. Yes. He gove me his neme. 1 don't know new I remember that was his IM name. He would send me ermeus. We he gave me a Palarold camera when I moved to -so I could Lake pictures of me and all my friends, and send them back to hlm. 9. Okay. And di you do that? n. I remember taking photos. I don't I don't I ever sent them, not to my memory, but I remember taking photos, I still have the camera. 9. Okay. Ind you ever wrlte letters and send by Unlted SLaLes Mai]? A, I'm trying to think. I don't think so because we only ever ernaned. I meen, I might have. Q. okay. would you ever tell him then. you missed mm or like that? Probably. okay. what You seem :0 have lettersv Yes. I don't mow if these are the I have a APEX REPORTING GROUP [954) 46778204 Page 23 lot of stuff here. I don't know if these are the ones that we're talking about. I have one here that talks -- I hsve one letter hers talking about a they're not signed. But this letter oh, this one actually is Slgned. Your dad went to- _or something like that? 3. Yeah. g. All r-rght. And you sent some Polaroid's? A. 1 1 took yeah. I think I took photos of -- I'm trying to think of what I took. It was picture of l'd won the science fair. There were trophies. I took pictures of all my medals on my well. It's a wooden well, 9. There 15 a wooden wall A. I Can't think of what else I took. Huh? 9. Your new house, the front of your house A. My ring yeah. a, I guess you have a bxoLhex? A. I do. 9. right. Your brother in your room, and then it looks like 1 don't know if these are gymnastics medals or othex models, but it looks like you're holuung up a hunch ot medals. A. My gymnastics medals. All right. And the letter, I don't know if you New . i t. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 Page 24 member thus A He has those? 9 1.: said: "My dad just came home {tomgave me real Sheep slippezs, a necklace, a shell end a rock with res; gold in it. aren't as fur: as they were ssoux,. Love you always." Okay. Ard I have some other stuff here. It's unsigned, so I don't know if it's you or not. Le: me see 1f I have Did you have a gymnastics corrpe:1::on when you were in -7 A. Uhehun. That would be yes? Just say "yes" so that the court reporter gets 1: down. A. Yes. I'm sorry. Okay. v~s. forge: she's right trere. Sorry. 'Jrrnuh. APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467*8204 Page 25 had little sisters 7 it was te keep in touch and hang out and wkatnc: - and that was my big sistex, - Q. okay. else; take her to and from gymnastics, hang out With her outside of gymnastics, things like that That's mainly when I statted hanging out With Ray outside of wart or, outszde at qt Okay. it when I an- 9. And then, let me see if thete-s anything else identitying in here. jus: wanted to tell you 1 lave you, Ray. Please never tatgat tha' Like I said, it's an un51gned letter, as it's typed I don't know. Can you see it? It has colors. I don't know how 1 can get it closer to that camera. A. No, It I don't ta 1 can't really see it but.., 9. Okay, not a big deal, would have to make a celci copy of it anyway, if i was going to send it out. And tJEn I think that might be it tot oh, wait LheIE's one mo, All tight. Apparently, you weie sending photagiaphs APEX GROUP (954) 45778204 Page 26 friend of yours, the friend that you just mentloned'! A Yes Okay. "1 wanted no know" is want you to know were [Etc] 1 amch who I'm with. I'll always love you and -w th all of my heart." Walt, how old was - She was 111 the older gymnastics group than 1 was. Okay. was he her -- That Ray also taught, Okay. That's what 1 was gomg to ask. uhshuh, "I'm sending you pictures I took for you and - No matter were I am, you W111 stays be I hope you spe'1 better now 1n college than you :1 when you weze 7. (The room ezupts laughhet.) A, Yes. 9, Sorry, I didn't mean L0 be mere just :houqn: I'd mos a joke' A, No, mean, I was a little gixl. 9. yeah, well, Obviously' "And-will always be" A- it says "hyper Number "1 mm always be yours and - - or APEX REPORTING GROU: (954) 46779204 Page that my week from Ray, Okayi That's what he called you? A That's whaL he eelled me, yeah. a All right, And the postmatks inst say- -, And, like sald, there's nu )ndicatlon on one of those letters that ycu had them. Okay? SO that was the deal. From Lhe time it I guess, over time you stepped communicating with Ray, correct? A. I'm sorry? 9' Over time you stopped CommunicaLlnq with him, you didn't have any mote communication with him, correct? A. Fight. 9. Okay. Q. which was around the time that I started to reallze what had happened 1 was getting to that age where my hady was maturing, and I startEd to realize that what had happened, Q. All right. H9 hadn't made any, you know, meetings you or tried to meeL you? at when yen went to -- and I don't know if you ever went hack to st. Louis to see if you could meet him or to say hello to him at all? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467--8284 2 Page 28 A. No. Q. All right. Did you have any do you remember -having any phone conversations with him at all? A. Yeah. .Yes, it was probably around the same time that I wrote those letters Q. Okay. A. the letters, so. I remember phone conversations, but that?s about it. Q. Okay. This YMCA gymWhere we were? Q. Yes. A. I mean, I can't how do you want me to describe that? I mean, it was it was a pretty good size. I can, like, draw to out for you if you want. I remember Q. No, no, no. I just'mw A. -- being there. Q. No, you don?t have to draw it out. I mean, it's just I mean, when A. I mean Q. when the parents were in the room, they would watch you? I mean, was there a, I should say, a viewing area for parents during practice? A. Yes, there was a viewing area. Q. All right.. And did Hm u, "535 ul?ikagx.? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 Lia-.96 5'2" 3 .CIMM.QJEHMM - 5W mums-Mr 33,;u in.) . a wam- Ida-he.- . ?lar? mum?; a . - t??fii?liir?a 11?3? .L- E: Bin? {5?13111? Page 29 A. Whenever you walk in there were these bleachers, and then there was a huge floor where we would do floor practice. Q. Right. A. And then on the back wall were the uneven bars. Q. All right. And pretty much because I've seen interiors of these gymnastics places are pretty much set up the same way, correct? A. Generally, yes, they have the same equipment. Q. Yes. And'they're usually because the floor needs the hand - you know, those routines. So that's usually in the center of the and the rest of the stuff, the uneven bars and the vaulting and the horse, that's all on the perimeter of the gym; would that be accurate? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. Yes. Q. How far were the - those uneven parallel bars where all this was happening from the bleachers or where the parents could see? A. I mean, 30 feet maybe. I mean, I'm trying to think of how big the floor is yeah, probably 30 - 40 feet, APEX.REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 maybe. Q. Okay. So when Ray was when you were sitting on .Lie. anathema?retraiereizr sew-awn: - ?aegis-t ?d?h?i?lnu?in f" . w? mm. mn??r err-ft -whma=ukwnyamk1.1..ii "?33 Page 30 Ray's lap, the parents or people would be about 30 - 40 feet away, at least adults anyway, right? A. Yes. Q. And the other coaches, would they be on the floor as well? A. They I mean, they would be around. It wasn't l_ they weren't, like, on the uneven bars while we were 2 sitting under them, if that's what you're asking. But they were you know, they weren't really close, but they weren't i that far away either. i Q. Okay. Now, with i A. When I would sit in Ray?s lap, he would tell.me to put my hands in my lap and then he would put his hands in my lap. Q. On top of your hands, or? A. Sure, we?ll say yes to that. Q. Okay A. At first. Q. Okay. IAnd then would he start brushing how would it go? Would he just brush along the vaginal area? Would he actually touch the vaginal area? A. It would it was more of like rubbing than brushing. But mm Q. Rubbing I'm sorry, go ahead. A. No, I just don't know --.I don't know the best way a "ilk. ?mi' =51 L?L?J?lv?hl? :ki??wuii??dlw. 111' .44., . ?152"? - :m smamm?am?l where l?sx- ream-m. 75w -, hr; w-wmww?t, APEX REPORTING GROU (954) 467?8204 . 7&7 E- . -: . Page 31 to describe it. i it's we?d be sitting in his lap. My hands would be in my lap and then it was like he would play with my hands, 2 and then his hands would get Closer and closer to my to my genitals, and then he would rub on my stomach, on my chest. Q. Did he touch the breast area? 2 A. And this would yes. Q. Okay. And when you say he'd rub on it, would he rub on it two, three, four, or five, six times? You know, like if you were crying and I?m rubbing your back, you know, to try to soothe you and calm you, would it be like that in those areas? A. No. It was never overly obvious. Q. Okay. A. He wouldn?t, you know, sit there and rub me like, you know, over and over. But it would be like I guess for my Chest and my stomach, it was more of that was more of like a brush, maybe Q. Okay. A. consistently. But in my genital area, it was more of it was rubbing. Lashwm 93mm: mam u; mm ammo. mam-V ?mm. mm Q. All right. "Rubbing," like a rubbing of the back? A. No. I sure, yeah, we'll go with we'll_go i with that. I?m trying to I'm trying to give the best i description. APEX REPORTING GROUP (95 4) 467?8204 Page 32 9. Well, the only other way I could describe it would be as a leuatlcn or a A. Yes. gr constant rubbing, Yes. okay. It would yes, that's it. All right. So it wuuld be more than Len times or, you know, fifteen; thaL would be, a number of times? Yes. Q. Okay. And, again, you had 4- nobody was told about this until the article appeared in the paper. I guess? was it. \n-r it was in St, Louis? At the time the article appeared, were you livmg - -or were yoa living 11') 5t. Louls? a, which ar 1e? or The article that Ray got arrested in arowaro county, Florida. A. That was I've lived -SlnCe- oian't know abauc it. 1 dldn't know anything had happened at all. I thought he had fame". oft the face of the earth. I had no idea what he was dolng. And then my mom sato she had read the article. 9, okay. MR. All right. I don't have anything APEX REPORTING GROUP (954} 46778204 Page 33 furtherl Stacy, do you have anything? Ms. HONOWITZ: Yes, I just have a couple questions' Can you hear me, - THE WITNESS, I can. BY MS. HONOWITZ: 9. Okay' You didn't come forward until you were 19, Coxrect? A. I'm trying to think of wnen I spoke to you. It was when I called you, it was within that week. Maybe I was - I was either 19 or 20, yeah. was yeah, I was living in --at the time. Ami you told your mom -- you started having dreams about ic, you started about it, and you told your mom, correcL? Yes. Did you mom happen to see an article about him being aueaced up here? Yes, ln Florida. Q. So she told you about the arrest after you first told her abcuc what was going on when you wete 11tt19r correct? A, Yes, yes, Q. And that's man you made the call to me? A. Yas; it was withln the same weak1 i l. m. WV: APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 Page 34 Q. Okay. And when you were and you actually moved LD-ln-, you were in tcuch with hlm; is that correct? A. year Qr when did you actually lose contact him? a. I had prohahly been living there about a year, not even. 1 had a friend named-, actually, and her mom and her dad were police ottleers. Ami I was tryehq to take photos of -and I with the Polarold camera and her mom, she asked me what, you knew, whaL I was doing and who these were tar, you knowr And when I told her what happened, she said that, you know, she didn't want those pictures of - and taken. And she Lalked to my mom about it and sald that was wrong. I mean, I was, what, maybe 10 at the trme - 9 or 10. Okay. And He stopped you An 1998, May of 1998? yes. he was flred from the a, I mean, as Far as 1 know, he was flred from the YMCA after he was arrested. Q. Arrested for what in 1993? Do you know" A 1 know it was sexual assaulL. 9, Okay. So there was another as so you (new about that arres: in 1996. You knew he was arresLed, buL you APEX REPORTING GROUP (554) 46778204 Page 35 know what he was arrested for? A. No. a. After you neard that he got arrasted up here, 15 that when you found out what he was arrested rot in 1995? A. No. I had found out a, I had found out befoxe 7 before I talked to my mom about But it, I 9' When did you find out that he was axrested in 1998? In 1999? A. yeaht I knew he had been azxested. I just didn't know what he had been azrested for 9, Okay. So he was arrested, and even aftez his arrest, though, you continued to have Contact with him? A Yes. Q. old you know when you were naVIng Contact with him -- that's my questicn - what he had been attested for? No, Did anyone tell you? Did you patents tell you? - Did anybody tell you? No. . Okay. When did you out what the actum charges were? a. It was probably about a year, year and a half after had been In- and asked my mom about 1t. I that was about Lhe same time that I started to realize whaL had really happened, and a I scatteo to APEX REPORTING GROUP (954] 467--8204 Page 36 understand that whatever I felt at that whatever had happened had been wrong. asked my mom about it and she told me, and she asked me again it he had ever hurt me and I had said ne. embarrassed. 9 Okay. So you were In a. A. $0 embarrassed. Q. -- because in-yan were probably around 10, you said, right:iving in- though? A. Yes. 9. Okay. So even when she you what you told her I mean, when you started to ask what he was arrested for. you still didn't offer anything up at that time? So your mother was under 7 had no knawledge that you had been touched by him? A. Yeahi Yes, ma'am. Q. Oxay. MS. HONOWITZ: I don't have anything else, REDIRECT EXAMINATION q. Have yen seen any doctors anytning - about thls? APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204 Page 37 A. I've seen I don't know If you'd conslder a theraplSZ, but I've been seeing someone hate in- Q. Okay. About about this issue? A. Yes. o. 55 when did you start doing at? A. After 7 spoke to Stacy the first time. She told me to two someone to Speak to about It. Q. Okay. Ms, HONOWITZ: Anything else? rm. No. MS. EONOWITZ: All tight,- Thank you so much. MR. WILLIAMS: - thank you very much. THE WITNESS: Thank you. MR. WILLIAMS: And we're still on the record right still there, but you can leave the room so you So untll I go get the guy to shut 1t off, don't have to be around. Okay? THE WITNESS: Okay, thank you. MS. nouowl'rz: Thank you,- We'll be in Louch. (Thereupon, the vldeo depGSILtlon was Concluded.) 3 1, APFX REPORTING GROUP 1954) 467>>8204 CERTIFICATE THE STATE 0? FLORIDA) COUNTY OF BROWARD) I, LINDSEY YOCUM, a Court Reportex, do hereby certity that 1 was authcrized to and de report the deposltion 0t - a witness called rn the eoeve- styled cause; that the wltness was first duly sworn by me; that the reading and signing of the deposition were walved by the wltness; that the foregoinq paqes constitute a true and compleLe record of my notes. 1 further eertity that 1 am not an attorney or eeuhsei for any at the parties, nor xelated to any of the parfles, nor financially interested in the actlon. DaLed this the 2nd day of October, 2012 LINDSEY YOCUM COURT REPORTER APEX REPORTING GROUP (954) 467-8204