NYS DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND COMMUNITY SUPERVISION Parole Board Interview In the Matter _Of_ Carolyn Warmus DIN 9260987 NYSID TYPE OF INTERVIEW: Initial LOCATION: Bedford Hills Correctional Facility Video?conferenced to NYS DOCCS 314 West 40th Street New York, New York 10018 INTERVIEW DATE: January 10, 2017 DECISION DATE: January 10, 2017 BEFORE: . Commissioner W. Smith Commissioner Sharkey Commissioner Cruse ALSO PRESENT: Ricardo Morales, SORC Jonia Kainathara, ORC Edna Crespo, APA PRESENT AT FACILITY: Joseph Greenfield, SORC Gina Spaulding, ORC COURT REPORTER: Anthony D'Ambrosio Certified Shorthand Reporter Carolyn Warmus BY COMMISSIONER W. SMITH: O. Good afternoon. Your name, for the record, please? A. Carolyn Warmus. O. Very good. Ms. Warmus, I'm.Commissioner Smith, joined today by Commissioners Sharkey and Cruse. COMMISSIONER SHARKEY: Good afternoon. COMMISSIONER CRUSE: Good afternoon. INMATE: Good afternoon. Q. ?You are here today for an initial parole interview. You were found guilty at trial of murder in the second degree, as well as criminal possession of a weapon. There was a separate criminal possession of a weapon second strike that. Criminal possession of a forged? instrument second charge where there was a conviction again at trial, is that correct? A.r Correct. O. Okay. I just want to caution you as we go over your information today, what we talk about could be used in any post-conviction proceeding. There is a transcript being made and so I caution you in that regard. I note that there is some information that we received even recently as it relates to your maintaining your innocence, which is fine, but I just want to caution you as far as the record that we make today, okay? A. 'Ihank you. Okay. Very good. Okay. As far as your initial Carolyn Warmus entry into the state system, it was the result of a conviction at trial. We have, of course, the pre?sentence investigation report, we also have sentencing minutes in front of the Honorable John Kerry. It looks like your attorney was a William A?r?o?n?wwa?l?d, is that right? A. Yes, Aronwald. Q. Okay. Very good. And pretty substantial, pretty substantial sentencing minutes. You spoke as well during the sentencing, if you recall, I don't know if you do. An Vaguely, now that you mention it. I have his part of it, but I forgot that I said something. O. Okay. Did you testify at your trial? A4 No, I did not. Q. Okay. And the report indicates that you were found to have shot and killed a female, caused her death, and then in a separate conviction, there was a description of a forged MCI telephone bill that was offered into evidence and that's how the criminal possession of a forged instrument conviction evolved. Those were the elements of the convictions that you were found to have been guilty at trial of, is that right? A. Yes, that's correct, sir. O. Now, as I say, we do have information, even fairly recent information. I have a letter from- a Mr. - who writes as it relates to this matter. A. Yes. Carolyn Warmus Q. What would you have us know about the convictions, what would you like to say, if anything? 2x. Well well, I was I became a teacher when I was 23 years old and that's when I?met -and he was assigned to be my mentor, he was another school teacher and he was about 40 years old at the time. And I started dating him. He had pursued me with the dating. But I did not realize he was married at the time. But then I found out he was married and I was absolutely wrong, absolutely wrong to keep dating him. I accept full responsibility for all of that, and anything that might have led from that, I know, you know, I learned at trial that when his wife was murdered, he profited and made a lot of money off of it with insurance and everything, and I just feel so bad to even have been involved with him, being a married man. It was a huge mistake, I was wrong, wrong, wrong, and I would not -- I would have changed that, if I could, and I would not do that again. I would not date him or anybody who was married. DON terms of the crime itself though, you maintain Carolyn Warmus your innocence, you maintain you weren't there, you didn't do the shooting, is that right? A. That's correct. Q. Okay. And certainly, we would, you know, we would encourage you to take whatever means you have at your disposal to change the result, if you so desire. We look at a lot of things, that's just one of the many things that we take a look at. We also look at what you have done inside to prepare yourself to go into the community. You have, I don't know if you have a copy, but you provided us a copy of a parole packet, and it's very helpful, we have had a chance to go through it, it's helpful and it gives us an idea of some of the things that you have set out to try to accomplish and also what - your plans for the future are. Now, we look at a thing called a COMPAS risk and needs assessment. It gives us an idea of areas of other areas where there may be some concerns. I guess one of the things that I would ask is you highlight in here a number of programs that you have been involved in, but what do you think you have done that may have been most beneficial to you while serving this time as far as programs? Well, I think in terms of I've been tutoring and teaching for many many years, and also I created and both of Carolyn Warmus established the Care Fundraiser Sale, those areas, I'm interacting, not only with staff, but mostly with my peers, my other inmates. And so I think I really have shown that I have really good interpersonal skills with them, so I think that would help me in any job. Also, with the Care Sale, it's really like almost like a little business, where we learn a lot of entrepreneurial skills and that has been very helpful and then there was a program here called Hustling Legit, which was also an entrepreneurial program and I learned a lot of skills in that as well. Q. .As far as your teaching on the outside, what grade and courses were you teaching? A. I was mostly teaching fifth grade, for the most part, but I'm certified and licensed all the way from nursery all the way up to high school, with my emphasis in math and sciences. Q. .And probably that comes in handy with other inmates and their schooling, because that's a pretty critical area inside, so that certainly is a positive as well. You have received as a result of that a number of letters and I mention that because from staff, commendations, it's not always the case. So, you know, it's a little bit out of the ordinary, you got a listing in your folder, both of security staff and individuals who are civilians in the particular areas that you have been Carolyn Warmus working in. I know that in part, you presented this packet as a hope of clemency, is that right? A. 'Yes, that's correct, but I just filed it, I met the deadline of one year, but I think it was so close to this parole board that Q. Okay. And one of the interesting -- well, I found it interesting, is that one of the inmate character reference letters, the very last one, I put it at the end, is from and she just got clemency from Governor Cuomo. o. Okay. Right, that?s_? A. Yes. Q. She has a letter that's printed out. Now, you made this packet yourself? A. Yes, I did. I put it together and I gave it to the counselor and sent it in. Well, I sent it to my brother and he put a letter on it and sent it in for clemency, but then I also just made a duplicate and gave it to my 1counselor for this purpose. Q. Okay. And so I also wanted to mention that it is, you know, the packet is put together and it took a lot of time, some people have it done professionally, and although that might look wonderful, but the reality is, you are doing it yourself, you have to take a lot of Carolyn Warmus specific effort. So, I mention that in a positive way. You do have, you know, I won't go through all of the letters, you also have a letter from- -, and he's not one to send a lot of letters out. The other thing we look to is, not only what you have done inside, but what you have done to prepare yourself and where you would live on the outside. Now, it says here your housing status is un?domiciled. I know from your packet, having gone through it before, you reached out to agencies. So, why don't you tell me what your desires are, your plans on release? Well, okay, I also, in addition to that big packet, I included this little packet that has one photo on the top of it. Q. 1Yes, I have that. 'And I do have m" Q. It's an addendum, but go ahead. A, On the first page, I do have an address of where to go. My attorney found me an apartment in New York, but I have so many, I can't wait to get out and actually go to a lot of these organizations and meet with them face?to?facepeople have written me letters of assurance, reasonable assurance to help with DON housing and jobs and everything like that, as well as mentor from the prison ministry there, and I have a mentor from. So, I tried to make sure, because it's been 25 years since I've been Carolyn Warmus out, so I wanted to make sure I had people in place and things in place so, you know, I haven't even used a cell?phone, you know, to try to really just get re?acclimated and make sure I make a successful transition out of prison. Q. All right. And one other thing I would like to mention about that is for a number of years I lived in the honor cottage here, and the honor cottage is like a halfway house, I view as a halfway house, but on the prison grounds, and it's really like a homelike setting, and I think it's a great way for me to make my transition out, to be living there with other people and living in a regular house where there's an oven and refrigerator and just normal things that a lot of people may not have used in 25 years. So, that was, for me, special. Q. Now, you do have a nice extensive letter from your brother - he lives in the midwest, Illinois or Indiana, is it? I believe when I read through it, I believe A. Indiana, yes. Okay. And when you look at your risk and needs Carolyn Warmus assessment, the COMPAS, family support and your family support probably being out of state is a three, many of your other actually, most of your other scores is two out of ten. The way it works, COMPAS, if you have a low score, one, two, something in that neighborhood, that's_ what you want. A high score is a ten, which is what you don't want. So, you know, we look to that. Your highest score well, your family support is a three, everything is a one or two below that with the exception of you have a five for discipline. I know when I looked at your disciplinary record throughout this sentence, you have had a number of violations, I think I counted approximately ten Tier II's, four Tier that's just an approximate number, but certainly as We consider your overall programming, we look at your overall discipline and when someone has been in prison for the first time and it's a life sentence, it's important to know if you don't follow the rules on the outside, you get brought back pretty quickly. It's really a renarrest and then you're locked up until there's a violation proceeding, you know, until that is resolved, as opposed to today, where we can release, we can hold you, or impose a hold up to 24 months. If you are released on the outside and violate, the violation penalty can be imposed for as long deemed appropriate. I?ve signed almost ten year Carolyn Warmus holds in the community, so that's why it's important, and we find if people follow the rules on the inside, sometimes it's easier to follow the rules on the outside. I know your most recent Tier was in September of 2015, so about a year and four months ago or so. That was unauthorized location of property, contraband, smuggling, and again, you got another dozen or so violations. Why do you think you struggled at times with the rules? Well, I would say at the beginning, I mean, most of, I think mostly the first half, aside from the latest, that last ticket, it's been more than half my sentence without having a ticket. It was really the first half of the time, but most of those, I was living in the protective custody in the S.H.U. building, and most of those tickets occurred while I was in the S.H.U. building, and years ago Q. Why are you in protective custody, I know you are now too, but why are you in protective custody? Ad In the past or right now? Now? Well, it's pretty much the same. So, why don't you tell me, what is it? IO C) Well, the short answer I guess would be that a Carolyn Warmus lieutenant was fired because of me, and it was a popular lieutenant and the inmates are upset were upset. Q. Okay. So, that's the short answer. What is the long answer? Well, there was a lot of gossip and a lot of stories that were not accurate, but the gossip was that I had kept his semen in my ice cooler and turned him in for a sex crime, which did not happen. It did not happen on my part, so when I went out to population just a couple years ago, a lot of the girls kept repeating this story, which was not the accurate story, and people started saying, oh, I'm going to try to set up staff, I'm going to try to get people fired and things like this, and there were actually a couple of incidents, you know, a girl pushed me in the phone room and I hurt my arm and everything, and so I would just prefer to make it out of here in one piece. Q. Well, one of the things that is important if you are released, again, there are a lot of restrictions if you are on parole supervision, you're not, you know, you're not able or allowed to fraternize with other inmates or parolees, so it's important that you realize that. And it's sort of like with the discipline, when a person gets a 25 to life sentence, 25 is the minimum, life is if you are misbehaving all the way through, that doesn't mean we DON start the clock all over again if you have a misbehavior Carolyn Warmus report, but the concept is you want to try to do, you know, do a significant period of good time. In terms of your A. Can I just say something? Q. Sure, go ahead. IX. Well, I was just looking through what I had provided on Judge Kerry's sentence, and although the 25 years was the minimum for the murder, he said that based upon the with the weapons charge and stuff, he said actually in this situation it should have been consecutive where it would be 30 years to life, but he did not give me that maxalso said that if I use my skills, he would hope that I would use my skills and things like that to help others in the prison, which I certainly have with tutoring and everything for years, and he said that the parole board could take that into account upon my release, when I finish.the 25 years, which I read to mean like hopefully that would work in my favor in terms of being released after 25 years. Q. Right, and I read I know in the as far as the, I'm trying to see, because I read through the pre?sentence report previous, and I think it was near the end of his comments that he talked a little bit about Carolyn Warmus what you it's 114 pages, which is that was the good thing about seeing the last part today, because it's lengthier than many, and so it?s good that you mentioned it and I did actually see it as it related to that, and that's, again, how I know you had spoken as well. Certainly we consider that as well. There is a lot to look at. I don't know if Commissioner Sharkey has any additional questions? BY COMMISSIONER SHARKEY: A. My think is good relatively speaking, but you probably know about my- or- I was getting to that, but we can start there. So, last year I was just been very very very very stressful for me, it's been overwhelming for me, and the trips, I don't like to go on trips, I don't like to go on and I?ve been going on for what I consider many of them, and they have been grueling. Grueling emotionally and physically. So, ?and, you know, wing to make Carolyn Warmus decisions on what to do. It's very scary, it's very terrifying. I mean, my family is not in New York, so, you know, my family lives in Florida, Indiana, they?re all across the country. If I were to have -while I'm in prison, well, first of all, they would take me to which is very good, but they don?t have a prison ward. So, they would be coming with me, an officer would be with me around the clock, even going into- I would be handcuffed and shackled until I'm ?and then they take the shackles and whatnot off. My family wouldn't be there. I think I would get a one 10 minute phone call or 15 minute phone call a week. I mean, I can't see how I can do it. And then I would be they said in- - for a few days and then I would be in the- for 12 to 14 days, and then they said, you know, the It's daunting. Q. I understand that. I understand that. I understand that it's a complicated process, and, you know, it's freighting for the patient. You are listed as a- is that correct, is that your understanding? A. I would be surprised if I'm on a No, no, Carolyn Warmus number one is the highest, right? Q. No. A. No, no, because I think I'm pretty low, is what I?m I don't take any medications. saying. Q. That was my next question. Are you seeing somebody on a regular basis, well, I imagine now with your- you are probably, that's a - so you are probably seeing somebody on a regular basis for that. A, Right, and to be honest, when Commissioner Smith was asking me about the protective custody, I mean, one of the reasons that I stayed, which is in the S.H.U. building, one of the reasons why I stayed so long is because the nurses make rounds there four times a day, five times a day, the doctors make rounds, they come up there and see us at least once a week. All of the deps, including the medical dep and security dep and everybody make rounds all the time, the captain makes rounds once a day, so I feel like I'm getting a lot of medical care, you know, when I'm up there. I mean, I see them all the Q. What do you mean by- '2 notiCed during the course of your discussions with Carolyn Warmus Commissioner Smith that you?re writing things down. A4 Yes. Q. I'm just curious what that involved, why are you writing things down? So I can remember, because like I said, I am forgetful, just so I can remember and so when I call my family and they say how was it, to be honest, I was actually sort of like I've been thinking a lot about this. I didn't know what to expect. I didn't expect there would be questions about my criminal case. I thought it was all about my achievements and whatnot, so I really have been thinking of going through papers and thinking of everything and it's been very emotional for me. It's been very overwhelming for me. Last night was very daunting for me. I mean, I couldn't get to sleep, and there are certain anxieties, but, I mean, I lost my parents, my mother died and stuff, and I just, my heart, it's my heart broke, but it really makes me think about the victim and the victim's family, and it's I can?t imagine, I guess she was very close to her sister as well, and for her parents, you know, to lose a child, I mean, even though she was an adult, I'm getting chills right now, I can't imagine, you know, I don't have a Carolyn Warmus child, but a child shouldn't die before their parents die. It's just so, the whole thing has been heart wrenching for me. COMMISSIONER SHARKEY: All right. I appreciate your comments, and thank you, Commissioner. BY COMMISSIONER W. SMITH: Q. And as you mentioned with your as you mentioned with your_, in the addendum, we had that.information along with the reference letter that I read, the recent reference letter from- ?of DOCCS. There is, you know, you submitted some other things that we kind of give it the weight that it?s due, you know, the I mentioned your family and those that work with you, and then there are those that just kind of know you and, you know, may say you're a good person. I know you have a zero recidivism section here, which is, you know, it is what it is, I guess, it does show some positive things, but as far as, you know, the documents you submitted, they have been helpful as we review the record. I know there was a mention of, you know, wrongful convictions and all of that, the reality is that isn?t the place of the Board of Parole to determine guilt or innocence, that has already been done, Carolyn Warmus so we proceed that you are guilty of the crime as the record shows, but we encourage you to do whatever you can do to that you feel is appropriate as it relates to that. I have asked Commissioner Sharkey. I don't know if Commissioner Cruse has any additional questions. A. .And may I also just add with the medical, not only is and everything too, and the -are saying they don't think it's So, I have both issues that I'm dealing with. Q. Okay. BY COMMISSIONER CRUSE: Q. So, how would you this is Commissioner Cruse. Good afternoon. A. Hi. Q. So, how would you say you're faring then, you know? 2x. Emotionally or physically? CL Well, you just mentioned, you know, we were talking about the two conditions that you have, so let's start with physically, because that's where we were. A. Well, I think with the I think that's sometimes it makes it difficult with the reading. But I'm getting, you" know, a ?at They didn't think I was going to make it this Carolyn Warmus times. year, the whole year?round, I said I really wanted to wait and see what happens with clemency and parole. They thought I would be rushed in for a -before this, so I said, look, I made it this far, but I don't know if I'm going to make it much further. I'm -, which they said this is going to be one of the and then I will have like looking like a So, they said, as this is happening, this is the time I have to start getting in for surgery, but I'm just terrified to go in here from the prison, and also they're not going to send me out for rehab or anything. They might put me here in long?term care for a while, but I'm concerned I said, why would I need rehab and the affect other things. You might need help standing up and walking and things like that, which hopefully will come back quickly, but he doesn't know exactly what would be affected once they finish the- Q. Okay. Okay. Carolyn Warmus And in terms of employment options Well, let's not go there for right now. A A. Okay. From a ?standpoint, it just says, your - which sounds in my lay opinion, regarding far less complicated than what you described over the course of this interview, but I trust that, you know, you're not taking any medications, I thought I heard you saying that you are seeing someone every three months, did I hear you say that, do you see someone periodically? The -person makes rounds up in the PC building actually every single day, so she checks on A. Yes. everybody each day and then she will call me out for, you know, one-on-one. Q. Okay. So, essentially you?re not getting any - -with any, you know, emphasis at this point, because you seem to be faring well despite your level. So, for that, I congratulate you and wish you continued success in that area. A4 Thank you. Q. At the top of the interview, I heard you tell Commissioner Smith that you still hold onto your innocence in the crime, correct? Carolyn Warmus 1x. Correct. Q. .And it's been some time that you have had that stance and sustain it? A. ?Yes, I've always said that, even in my pre?sentence report. I never wavered in that. CL Well, I just wondered, and maybe I missed it, where were you during the time of the instant offense? ZR. Well, the original time of death was placed in the afternoon, in which case I was at home in my apartment in Manhattan. It later got changed to be between 6 and 8 in which case I was home and at another point I was driving from Manhattan up to Westchester. But I was not even a suspect for more than a year, so there was just no way a year later for me to go back and try to recapture what happened on a lazy Sunday afternoon, you know, did I go across the street to the deli and to the diner and buy a newspaper and whatnot. There was just no way that I could put together anybody to verify where I was and what I was doing that day. Q. So, because of that, your inability to get someone to be able to back your story, you feel that's why you were found guilty? EX. Well, it was I'm not saying that was exactly why I was found guilty, but it was CL Well, why exactly were you found guilty? Well, it was a circumstantial case, a completely Carolyn Warmus circumstantial case. I think I was found guilty because of the media attention and the publicity. 25 years ago, it was everywhere. I mean, they even had TV shows that did so called reenactments, where they would put, you know, someone looking like me or something committing the crime, which I guess is illegal to do today on TV, but that's what they did with me. So, I really feel that it was the media really, you know, that swayed people against me, and it was a completely circumstantial evidence case. There were fingerprints they found in the blood splatter, there was a fingerprint found there presumably by the killer and it was not mine and it's still not-identified. So, there was no such thing as CSI and DNA testing and things like that back in that time. I am very eager, and with the for justice, I'm very eager to use these updated scientific technologies and stuff to still try to exonerate myself, even if I'm released, I would still want to try to fight this and exonerate myself. COMMISSIONER CRUSE: Very good then. Thank you very much. No further questions. BY COMMISSIONER W. SMITH: Q. .All right. We have had a chance to review your case DON plan that you work out with your counselor, it talks Carolyn Warmus about your continuing to gather information, supportive letters for any future clemency or other matters. Your, again, your most recent Tier was in September of 2015. What was the contraband, smuggling, and property at that matter? A. Well, you know, I don't know. I can tell you what the ticket said. (Q. Well, what did it say, the violation? The ticket said that there was, in a program area where they have cabinets, where a lot of inmates are working in the program area, said there was personal property and blank forms in the cabinet, and so they presumed so then I got the ticket. So, I said, well, why aren't the other six women who are in the program area getting tickets as well. I don't know what the answer to that is, but they gave me the ticket, and so then I said, okay, can I please see the items, because they presumed that the items had to be smuggled in and I don?t think I don't know, from what the ticket said, the items were per se contraband, but they said personal property. Personal property and legal papers, they said. Q. And then you appealed that and that's when it was affirmed? A4 I did appeal, but I got, as of right now as we speak, I'm hoping in the next few weeks to get a decision from Carolyn Warmus the court, because I'm really hopeful that the court is going to expunge the whole thing, because when I asked to see the property and the evidence so I can try to identify it or anything like that, they called the officers from the lobby to say who brought this in or whatever, there was no property, there was no evidence, there was nothing. CL Okay. We will, as I say, we have a lot to look at. Thank you for your submission, because that makes it helpful. We will discuss the matter and let you know in the next few days. Did I miss anything, is there anything else? A. I'm just going to look at my notes. Well, my attorney, Mr. - wrote a letter on my behalf. Q. Yes, we have that, December 28th, 2016. A. 'Yes. And then in the pre?sentence report, for the crimes, they did not recommend a maximum sentence. They just said she must serve time in prison. I never had a criminal record before, I'm a first time offender, and even after the crime occurred, I was out in the community for three and a half years with no problems. For the first year I wasn't even a suspect, and then after I was arrested a year later, I was out on bail for two and a half years. So, I think I lived, you know, as a responsible citizen even at that time. I'm over the age Carolyn Warmus of 50, I'm a long?termer here, it's a homicide case, and I'm a female and I think all of those things, from what I've read, make it a very low recidivism rate. Let's see. I have a lot of support with the mentors, the job offers with one of my attorneys at the law firm and also my brother with a sales job. Let me see what else. Judge Kerry said that he did not think that the rehabilitation of the public protection weighed very heavily in his sentence. He didn't think that public protection was a major concern with regards to me. Q. Okay. And, of course, you understand that we have a separate decision to make, although we look at what he says, and I know we talked earlier about the consecutive on the, what is it, the forged 4? EX. No, that was for the gun actually. Q.r Right, the consecutive. Yes. Q. .And I know that is -- it is, while you were talking earlier, I found it back where he discusses it and it is near the end like page 111 to 113.~ Go ahead, anything else that you would like to tell us that we haven't discussed? Well, you may see from my mother's letter attached to the pre?sentence report, you know, during all of those (JUN years, while I was out in the community waiting, you Carolyn Warmus know, on trial and whatnot, I was volunteering with the homeless and working with them and I really enjoyed that, so that's something that I would like to continue with when I get out as well. I think it's with the security staff making recommendations in my favor, I feel that they have a lot of training and they know, you know, in terms of safety and security and things like that, that I think their recommendations hopefully would have a lot of weight in terms of law and order type of thing and that I would not be a threat to society and it wouldn't be incompatible with the welfare of society and that I would remain at liberty without violating the law. Q. Well, we take their comments, and I mentioned it before, certainly some of those are unusual and positive. I'm not so sure that they are as knOwledgeable long?term in terms of what happens with parolees once they are released, but certainly we will consider it. Anything else? Ad Well, when I first got to the prisondid speak to them, because it's been it was a very difficult transition and everything for me being here, and one of the doctors, actually wrote a letter, well, in the last year or two or something vouching for my being able return to society and making a smooth transition and I Carolyn Warmus think I put that in the civilian letters. And let's see, I was one of the founding members in this prison of RTA, which is Rehabilitation Through the Arts, which is a very successful program and also it has a very low recidivism rate for the inmates who have gotten out and who have been part of that. But I did have two quick questions, well, hopefully they're quick. Is there anything that you see from this hearing that you believe I should have done or worked harder to achieve to better prepare myself for release? (Q. Well, that's an answer ?m or that's a question that we almost hear verbatim from other inmates. You probably heard that in Phase I or Phase II, whatever, yOu probably developed that. A. It was in a packet. CL Okay. Well, they should supply the answer that we always answer. You read it just like thousands of others have read it to me before, and the answer they should probably put in there is that we haven't made that determination yet, that's why we're asking these questions and we will notify you with our decision. That's kind of common sense, isn't it? Ad I would think so, but I didn't know how it goes. People also, you know, the story goes that you guys already have your minds made up before we come in here, Carolyn Warmus so I don't know. It doesn't sound like it's true. Q. Well, that's what they are, they're stories. COMMISSIONER CRUSE: But if you believe that, you wouldn't have had the packet of information you provided. INMATE: No, you're absolutely right, I don't believe it, I know all the gossip that goes on around me, I just told you why I'm in protective custody, so I definitely don't believe the gossip, and that's why I put together a big packet and I can tell from all three of your questions, I mean, I can tell that you're looking thoroughly through all of this information and you are actually, it seems to me, that you are actually considering everything. O. That's what we do. A. .And I wasn't able to review the parole file records or anything, so, is there anything but I know you have, I assume you haVe, is there any particular concern that you have which would lead you to believe that I couldn't be released without violating the law, or is that the same thing? COMMISSIONER CRUSE: That's the same question. O. Or as a community safety welfare or deprecate the seriousness of the crime and undermine respect for the Carolyn Warmus law. Those are all standards we have to have that people seem to be upset about and they would really need to discuss it with the legislature, because those are standards that we look at and we apply and we try to be measured as we do it. You've answered the questions that we have, and that's what we have to deliberate on. So, we'll let you know our decision. You presented yourself well, we will let you know in writing, okay? A. I think also, the two job offers that I have, they know that, I mean, they have agreed that if I get out, the first thing I would be doing is, well, I would get a second opinion with the-stuff, but I would probably just go back to the same - and have all the but they're agreeable to that and they would still keep the job offers open for me. Q. Thank you very much. We'll let you know in writing. Okay. Thank you for your time. Have a great day. Q. Okay. Thank you. COMMISSIONER CRUSE: Thank you. COMMISSIONER SHARKEY: Thank you. INMATE: Thank you. (After due deliberation by the Parole Board Panel, the following decision has been rendered:) Carolyn Warmus DECISION Denied 18 months. Next appearance 7/2018. This panel has concluded that your release to supervision is not compatible with the welfare of society and therefore parole is denied. This finding is made following a personal interview, record review and deliberation. Of significant concern is your poor compliance with rules as exhibited by your receipt of multiple Tier II and Tier violations during this term including your most recent Tier in September 2015. Other factors considered, include your COMPAS risk assessment that scores most areas as a one or two on the scale of one (lowest) to ten (highest.) Your prison misconduct score of five is likewise noted. In addition, your case plan, -, document submissions, and programming are positive. You need to maintain a clean disciplinary record. Required statutory factors have been considered, including your risk to the community, rehabilitation efforts, and your needs for successful community reintegration. To grant your release at this time would so deprecate the seriousness of your offense as to undermine respect for the law. (All Commissioners concur.) CERTIFICATION I hereby certify that the proceedings and evidence are contained fully and accurately in the notes taken by me on the above cause and that this is a correct transcript of the same to the best of my ability. ?m?oowdo Anthony D'Ambrosio, CSR