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TOWN OF PALM BEACH

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SPECIAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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APPEARANCES:
On behalf of Donald Trump:
Paul Rampell, Esquire
125 Worth Avenue

Palm Beach, Florida

3380

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and

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Alan

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J.

Ciklin, Esquire

Boose, Casey, Ciklin, Lubitz,
A.
Martens, McBane & O'
Connell, P.

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515
West

North Flagler Drive, 17th Floor
Palm Beach, Florida
33401

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On

behalf

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of

the Palm Beach Preservation Foundation:

Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft,
440 Royal Palm Way
Palm Beach, Florida 33480
By: FRANK CHOPIN, ESQUIRE

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P.
A.

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s

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Council Members:
President M. William Weinberg
Mayor Paul Ilyinski
Councilwoman Michele Clarke Royal
Councilwoman Nancy Douthit
President Protem Hermine Weiner

Councilwoman.Lesly
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Town
Town

Manager
Attorney

Smith

Robert
John

J.

C.

Doney

Randolph

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Town

Staff:

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Ms. Grace

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Timothy Frank
William Brisson

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A.

Peters

Robert Moore

Jeffrey Weidner

David

Zimmerman

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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MR. WEINBERG:

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welcome you

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meeting

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A

is

to

our

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must be

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into

of the

a

we

This

special exception.

which

zoning

complies

with all

Code of the Town

had with the conversion of Lago
Maraclub.

A

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is

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demonstrated.

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exception

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granted

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matter.

special exception

sought, therefore,

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and

special meeting today.

special exception

the requirements

lovely morning

a

concerned with

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a

It'
s

If

the

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manner:

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this

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lunch

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our

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finished

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then

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of this

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We

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in this

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the

Before

time

that

and will

a

need be

for

a

proceed in

stop
at

reconvene

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at

If

not.

declare

will

we

as

variance

special

a

must

time

at

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1:
30.

the

following

o'
clock
We

o'
clock whether
we

have

to

go

be

discretionary

ll advise you
proceed I'

we

proceedings
or

denied

will

meeting

a

special exception

and cannot be

This

hardship

the criteria

met

are

no

not

at

for

will
we

on,

stop

are

we

will

certain for the continuation

particular meeting.
will

then

manner.

Council

proceed

we

will

All persons who will

today

must

first be

sworn

now

proceed

address
in

and all

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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those who

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to

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going

are

rise and be

individuals to

of

Swearing

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MR. WEINBERG:

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The

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case

first.

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permitted

to

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Following

that

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public

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applicant

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comment

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the

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with the

Town

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the

given

further

Council will

assistance

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as

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speak

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interrupt

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first addressing the

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obtaining

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follow the

opportunity

to

Sixth,

Executive

Session

the Town attorney.
conducted

under

of the Palm Beach code which reads

follows:

No member

question

any

another

his

nor

of
or

the

Council

discuss

make

or

motion without

a

presiding

officer and

recognition.

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are

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and not repeat the remarks

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spoken

before

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regard

will

strongly urged

be

shall

any matter

Finally, all persons addressing
to

them.

be

Your

as

brief

of

the

Council

possible

as

those who

cooperation

have

in

this

greatly appreciated by all.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

be

Fifth, the

into

meeting will be

Section 268

his

questions.

presentation.

go

of

will

public

final

a

his

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on

the

its reports.

will be

This

seated.

staff will

Town

now

Town.

asked to present

and ask

comment

give

and

be

Thereafter,

ask you

testify by Clerk.)

Please be
will

applicant

and

by the

in

sworn

will

I

speak

to

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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Finally,

speak

into

the

all

Council members

microphones

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This

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MR.

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MR. WEINBERG:

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agenda.

will

meeting

I

shouldn't do

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Whereupon,

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roll

MR. WEINBERG:

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followed

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tem.
president pro-

the

Pledge

heard.

to

skip

the

I?

please.

taken.)

will have the

invocation

of

led

Allegiance

by

the

Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.)

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by

be

agenda?

that, should

was

We

the

going

Will you call the roll,

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about

was

I

can

to

begin.

now

What

ILYINSKY:

they

so

urged

are

The

MR. WEINBERG:

will

somebody

so

MS. SMITH:

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MS. WEINER:

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THE

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MS. SMITH:

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THE

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MS. WEINER:

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THE

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MS. DOUTHIT:

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THE

CLERK:

Mrs.

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MS. ROYAL:

Yes.

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THE

CLERK:

CLERK:

CLERK:

moved.

So

Second.
Mrs. Smith.
Yes.

Mrs. Weiner.
Yes.

Mrs. Douthit.
Yes.

Mr.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

of the agenda,

move?

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CLERK:

approval

Royal.

Weinberg.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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MR. WEINBERG:

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Mayor, your comments, please.

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MR. ILYINSKY:

Yes.

Thank you very much.

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would like to

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citizens

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could

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special good morning

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MR. TRUMP:

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MR. ILYINSKY:

join with you in welcoming
the

attending

all of you every

see

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important properties

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the

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world.

United States

There

are

single Tuesday.

about

for

proposal

a

those

in

our

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and

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maintenance

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owning

19.

the past when the Council

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owners

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uses

22

hours

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review.

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thoroughly

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will

convinced

of

this

The

Area Code (407) 6594155

its

a

land.

owners

property

we

who

purchase price

was

now

petitioned by
alternate

spent hours and

before

us

vigorously explored.
deliberations

of

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

careful

will be

Many hours

this

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

and

However, in

long and, hopefully,

proposal

have

privilege of

regarding

have

in

permanent landmark

of

the

the most

community

splendid piece

in

in the

Possibly, in the

the

are

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

of

of

and

into

engage

part

costs

and hours

go

that

potential

or

to

one

of America.

as
long regarded Lago
Mara-

this

I

A

in Palm Beach, if not

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are

wish

I

you, Mr. Trump.

We're

evaluation

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to

the

Thank you.

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of

meeting.

Town

I

Council.

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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All

sides

2

will be made to

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acceptable

secure

It

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contemplated

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with

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reasonable

fate

little
men

of

and

consensus

and

MR. WEINBERG:

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application

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Mr.

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MR. RAMPELL:

will

We

the

all

to

now

special exception.

Good

President

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Councilwoman Smith,

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Councilwoman

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gentlemen.

Weinberg,

the

Royal.

morning, Mayor Ilyinsky,

President

Protem

Good

record my

morning ladies

is

name

Paul

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attorney who practices in Palm Beach.

long

resident

of

Palm Beach

honored and privileged to be

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you about

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MarLago.
a-

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and

and

an

First of all, I would like to say that

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and

Rampell.

I'
m

life

Weiner,

Councilwoman Douthit

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with the

proceed

Rampell.

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For

possible

as

women.

9

a

an

will be decided
MarLago
a-

damage

Thank you.

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a

Every effort

is my fervent prayer that the

8

10

heard.

be

solution.

4

as

will

hopefully

a

property

as

speaking today

prestigious

I

am

to

as

Second, I wish to thank the literally
hundreds

of town residents,

neighbors,

local and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

out

of

2

architects, traffic engineers

3

have

4

special exception

5

of

state

preservationists, neighbors,

contributed to

the

6

last

favorably

8

so

that

9

I

and

as

a

that you

hope

rule

to

plan

as

a

preserve

on

our

Council members will

application today

or

soon

may return to oblivion.

I

this

At

use

Club
MarLago
a-

great estate.

Third,

7

the

and others who

time

I

wish to

the

name

individuals

10

who will make presentations

11

an

12

Lawrence, the most prolific architect in Palm

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Beach

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esteemed traffic engineers in Palm Beach County;

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Jack Barr,

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Tallahassee, Florida.

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of

18

filed with Robert Moore, Director

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and

architect

all

of

Joe

Pollock

of

statesman

these

Zoning

20

a

in

specializing

history;

and

of

traffic

of

Pandula,
Gene

the most

engineers

The expert

part

Gene

preservation;

one

individuals

are

today;

from

qualifications

have been previously

our

of

Building

record.

I'
d like to introduce Alan Ciklin who has

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acted

22

over

23

it

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requirement

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in

as

seen

it

cocounsel

a

my

to me

application

complies
of

a

to

with the

and
make

has

specifically

certain that

precise

technical

special exception application

all respects.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
F. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

Before

2

who

3

very brief

of you may have heard

some

Donald.

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MR. TRUMP:

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members

7

much for this

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of

If

the

Good

of, will make

Thank you very

opportunity.
leave

legacy

one

it would be the creation of

Palm

to

and, with that very brief statement,

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leave the

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I

thank you very much for this
Thank you.

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MR. RAMPELL:

about

In

years

16

deteriorate,

17

to
recall, returned Lago
Mara-

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Foundation.

19

At

holding

the

and

on

21

articles

read:

22

Estate

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After

one

24

can't

find

25

Lookers,

what

do

to

to

as

you will

Post

featured

with Lago.
The
Mara-

anyone want

focus

of

stalemate; Lago.
Mara-

and

half years

a

a

a

buyer;

Hard

on

sell

MarLago?
a-

market

estate

MarLago.
a-

buyers; Lago,
though
Mara-

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

seven

Does

no

Building

after

it

the

time many newspapers

articles

5th Floor • Comeau

allowing

the U.
S. government,

20

is

it

say and

to

opportunity.

1980,

15

will

I

experts with what they have

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Beach,

nonsectarian club

a

10

of

a

morning, Mayor Ilyinsky,

Council.

Town

could

I

Donald Trump,

statement.

4

8

client

begin, my

we

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

2499 Glades Road

Miami, Florida 33131

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

Area Code (305) 3712713

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priceless,

2

Does

it'
s

harder

getting

to

give away.

Maraanyone want Lago?

3

the

At

time

in

1980

4

a

5

lot of

6

and
MarLago
a-

7

be converted into

8

was

9

property whatsoever.

had

I

a

discussion with

friend of mine named Bob Wycoff, (phonetic)

people

discussing

were

made

I

the

do with

to

that

comment

social

private

a

what

a

it

club.

could

This

before Mr. Trump had anything to do with the

10

The

11

is

12

its

13

larger

14

that

15

private

problem

size;

16

it

than

is that there
MarLago
a-

maintenance

triple

a

with

is

over

some

burden.

First

75,
000 square feet.

shopping

centers.

is

extremely expensive

second

maintain.

to

aspect of the triple maintenance

burden is

that

18

here

homes

19

know firsthand the corrosive effects

20

air.

21

to

have

Even

it'
s
or

smaller

ocean

s
Third, it'

24

wall

25

of

a

front.

apartments

homes

maintain because

or

It'
s

Any property

17

23

all,

size commercial, residential, public,

The

22

of

a

of

going

to

to

be

landmark.

If

to

painted, it

Sewell Hardware,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

ocean

of

more

and

salt

expensive

fact.

window treatment needs

needs

the

much

are

that

on

Many people

a

be

isn't

tile

breaks

replaced
just

finding

& CONSOR REPORTING

or

a

matter

some

AGENCY, INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

International Place

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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materials

and

2

just

3

called in to

4

restoration each and every time.

5

cannot

6

home.

doing

simple general

a

be

do

preserved forever

8

unparallel

9

she did not provide

wealth who

perpetuity.

11

A

12

owning

13

to

14

screened

15

Among them

16

any offers.

17

made

18

him

19

to

20

the

21

owner, that

22

unable

23

maintenance burden.

few individuals
it. When the

sell

from

it

Ross

In

offer.

an

anticipating
through

go

fact that

24

even

pass

is

Building

319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

interested

in

attempted

80

pre-

them made

None

of

Ross

came

signed

a

along.

contract

but

he

individual

an

may become
of

was

He

with
unable

the

is

the

insolvent

and

triple

any individual will

away and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

into

deal, which illustrates

individual

reality

eventually

5th Floor • Comeau

if

afford it,but

over

ownership

pay the bills

to

The

The Town

of

woman

visited the property.

1985, sure,

with the

a

Foundation

Perot.

his

MarLago
a-

was

been

1985

to

be

single family

a

Post

have

qualified buyers
was

can

its maintenance

Post

1980

as

isn't

involves

able to

was

for

10

25

It

Marjorie Merriweather

7

that

contractor

work.

some

It

patchwork.

some

we

will end up with the

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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that

had in

1

same

2

that we're

3

another

4

the

5

or

6

historic

7

delandmarked like the

8

razed.

problem

we

and

to

solve

trying vigorously

individual

found

be

to

were

individual without

an

the

problem

also

subdivided

landmarks would try to have

it

residence

and

familiar with the

of you may be

9

Some

10

condition

11

unmaintained.

12

architectural expert that every year that

13

by declines

14

repair if

15

so.

16

The

of

Bolton estate, which has

the

It'
s

the

will make

someone

opinion

it

comes

along

maintenance burden

17

triple

18

a

19

were

20

property

21

government

22

presidential retreat

23

secure.

24

mention the

25

a

The

group.

first

based

from

one

goes

do

to

this

shifting

individual to

one

group that

been

afford to

and wants

is

us

on

to

impossible

before

challenge

face

appreciation of

an

Anthony

If

now.

we

the estate would be

that

problem
even

1980

had been

tried

U.
S. tax payers, Mrs. Post devised the

the

to

was

Two

security

federal
unable

of

its

fact
risk.

government.
make

to

it

was

too

boundaries

that

use

of

Federal
it. As

difficult
are

air traffic

water,

a

to
not

to

overhead poses

The National Park

Service

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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museum

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possible, because

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Miami, Florida 33131
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application

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community support

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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example.

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town

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burden would

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Miami, Florida 33131
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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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Beachers, that

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individuals

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multiple revisions.

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club

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contributions

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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arrive at

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rules,

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a

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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expertise

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preservationist.

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MR. WEINBERG:

5

expert perspective

Mr.

Pandula,

as

a

have you been

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MR. PANDULA:

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Good

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Yes.

Mayor, ladies and

morning

Mr.

gentlemen

of

Council.

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Palm Beach

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projects;

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

architect but

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education, training and experience in historic

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preservation.

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that you will be

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merely

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functional

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required.

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formulation of the

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me.

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period

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hang

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period

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100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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has

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physically

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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altered

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architectural

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grounds.

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2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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building

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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 23

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proposal.

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Frantic

the

the years,

through

remains

something

This

building.

space

focus

opportunity

an

huge opening

a

the

primary

primary

a

only traditionally

not

often

for every

on

and

short

notice

importance

project
a

eleventh

an

commitment

ahead of

the

to

all

are

short

hour

circuits

today

curve

that

in

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 24

1

future

2

be

3

occurrences.

10

unknown
20

or

conditions

50

or

Instead of

4

100

or

being

at

and circumstances

ahead of the

years

the

and

affect

of

future

5

unknown

6

place

7

If

8

with

9

preservation, then this project is absolutely

10

circumstances,

to

our

insure

actions

our

a

as

stated

I

would

over

14

Preservation is

15

physical

16

of

17

capital

18

one

the

will

substance of

larger effort

Your

of
a

means

to

process that we're

The

proposals.
towards

better

a

safeguarding aspect

accommodate culture

specific kind,

approval of

take precedence

not

our

environment.

a

consistent

are

and values

hope that

13

of

in

dream.

going through today

a

community

goals

12

the

framework will be

specific result in the future.
a

preservationist's

11

a

this

that's

architecture.
will

project today

be

19

foresightened

20

enlightened

excuse

it will

be well

21

rounded

theories, the principles

and the

22

practices

23

developed simply

24

like

25

successful

and

in the

this

of

wilightened
but

me

historic preservation that
to

apply

to

over

decades

of

were

tested to

specific

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

and

projects exactly

and which have been time

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

farsighted

use

and

be
I

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 25

1

would

2

this

wholeheartedly request
project.

3

Thank you very much.

4

MR. RAMPELL:

this

At

time

introduce

6

more

Gene Lawrence

7

was

8

architect in Palm Beach County.

than anyone alive and who
MarLago
a-

about

recently voted the

9

wish to

I

the architect who knows

5

10

for

your support

MR. WEINBERG:

distinguished

most

Lawrence, have you been

Mr.

sworn?
have.

11

MR. LAWRENCE:

Yes,

12

Mr.

President, members of the

13

Council,

14

determine

15

club.

16

and make it
MarLago
a-

17

involvement

18

landmark

19

was

to

specifically look inside the building

20

see

if

this

21

work

22

Mayor,
we

Mr.

asked to look at Lago
to
Mara-

were

it would

if

Paul

had

I

a

wonderful

saying

functional

really

club.

a

want

we

idea

to

is

going

work

to

Gene

Pandula's

preserve

and

a

take

to

all contributory, but

are

as

our

if

this

as

a

function
to

it would

club, what price would that work be.

as

a

So

the

first

23

the

building

24

the

thousands

25

and have

on

thing

had to

we

paper and,

of words

reported

all

was

surprisingly,

that

of

do

to

get

with

have been written

the

things designated

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.E, 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

2499 Glades Road

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 26

1

no drawings existed
MarLago,
a-

2

as

3

photographically

4

evaluate

it

5

its

So

be

to

drawings

on

considerable

a

research into the

7

the way the

8

designed

of

history

building had

10

functions

11

club and how could

12

the

of

amount

the

been

and

building

conceived,

13

into

14

show you,

15

can
MarLago
a-

16

effect

four

of

This

say what

to

was

accommodate

we

And

could

we

work

those
is

a

divided those

we

dimensions which we'd

separate
if

those within

today,

as

how

functions
of

the

first

the

19

indicate what we'd propose

to

20

aspects of the club.

for your

21

which I'
m sure most of you have

seen

22

to

the

23

this

24

porte cochere and these, the shaded

25

the basic

idea

Mercedes

social

Just

of the
Benz

spaces

we

think

are.

and it shows
MarLago
a-

some

like to

club and what the

a

drawing

to

as

18

a

the

are

that would be inherent to the private

existing building?

is

able to

and used.

The third step

get

building

function.

6

17

the

recorded the building both

we

and

also did

We

9

F

is.

now

of

size

floor of

shaded

be

of

the

areas

social

orientation,

it,this is

building,

right here under the

and

areas

adjoining

are

would be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 27

1

the

hall

2

reception hall.

3

members

4

propose.

5

living

6

greeted,

7

drink before dinner and talk after dinner with

8

coffee.

9

the

reception

for the

The

and

This

size

would be

It will

be where

10

approximately

11

comfortable

12

will

13

functions

14

with the

remain

60

which

room.

This

a

barred

The

serve

people

is

a

are

a

be

seats

the

used

which

here

for private

side

ocean

is

terrace

porch here.

great deal has been

15

A

16

events

17

which has

18

past will accommodate between 200 and 350

19

people.

20

with

21

accommodate the

22

a

23

as

here will

room

library

library

is

and this

still

we

in very, very

people

seating.

for the

foyer

guests, perhaps have

room

dining

primary dining

will

room

sit with their

The

the

of the club that

living

room.

that will remain the

and special

functions.

been used

Within

virtually

for

the
no

said

about

The patio here

special

functions

framework of what

change

social

special

in the

functions

layout

is

in the

there

we

can

anticipated

for

club.
The

next

dimension will be the

recreational

24

aspect of the club.

Those

25

it,down starting

the bottom here with the

in

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

of you who

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

have

seen

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

pavilion

2

and

3

precisely

4

events.

5

club of

which Mrs. Post
and

parties

6

the
The

this

under

the

8

the

9

mechanical

and

do you

spaces.

leading
now

This

was

a

11

envision

12

spa.

13

women, steam, sauna, exercise,

14

recreational

15

recreationally,

16

indicates

17

here,

18

golf

19

us

20

have

21

now

22

Here's

room.

major change

to

facility.

a

cold

bin, ice

where

we

would

world class

a

rooms

for

a

men

and

first rate

addition,

under

which exist, the par

through

package

as

the site plan which

the beach.

to

full

is

courts

course, walk

a

under

or

pavilion, the pool, the spa

tennis

access

In

into

provide

We would have massage

this

for

Paul referred to

room, the boiler

the

for

have the next one? Here

10

the

used

type.

floor is what

a

be

pool is certainly adequate
size

dances

square

thing; for dances, special

north crescent

first

for

will

entertaining

same

And, Gene,

7

used

to

the

ocean

to

3

give

So, recreationally,

within the

facility

we

it

as

exists.
The

next

dimension is

23

dimension of the club.

24

shaded the

25

spend the

areas

season

where
or

the

Where

residential
we

again

have

guests would be able

spend portions

of

the

to

season

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 29

1

in

the

club.

2

is

now

the

3

contains

4

Dutch room, the

5

sitting

6

room

7

gives another big

8

members

and

9

C7

And

another

to

The

of

second floor

Portuguese room, Venetian

the American
asset

as

then, finally,

12

This

13

pantry.

14

restaurants

15

or

the

the

and

done

We've

and

I

it

staff

big

17

to

do with the

18

the

19

that

20

three

21

parking

22

the

23

quarters

to

24

total

about

25

used to be the

cars

daily functions

that
and

different
on

areas

What

for the

that

work?

or

so

kitchens

we

this
is

going

for both

special

First
now

are

need

divided

categories.

paved

40

club.

MarLago.
a-

will

we

the

most

and the

dining

few have

as

would have? We've

perhaps

really

probably, oh,

as

places for

aspects of

think very

facilities

think

I

nice, will

kitchen, the

for

season.

functional

be

might

this

So

room.

club

a

Then, finally, parking.

we

suite, which

guest rooms; the

stay during the

While

16

series

finally

11

staff

the master

room, the Spanish bedroom, the Adams

importantly,

is

was

porte cochere.

10

it

This

events

into

the

exists.

Here

by

porte cochere, by the garage and the staff

of

the

north.

68

cars.

playground

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

This

accommodates

Secondly,
area.

we

We

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

a

have what

propose

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S,E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 30

1

putting

2

involves

3

Finally

4

sand under the canopy to the

5

about

6

somewhere

7

in grass
about
for

140

8

blush.

9

crossover

44

were

12

would be

13

the

14

cars

15

a

16

2,
500 trips

17

street

18

think the

able to do
and

these

We

think

about

events

about

should be

final

review

21

to
Marlago
a-

22

able

23

is

without

24

no

modifications

25

building

it

club.

a

and

the

able

on

It

is

a

major modifications.

so

we

we

to

convert

We

are

and out
We

that.

after

have

or

city

survive

club.

inside

the

this would be

day,

to

didn't

essentially

that

so

maybe 2,
000

a

we

out

the grass

analysis

or

if

we

the average

6,
000 trips

got through it is that

use

first

What

where

year, whereas

a

grass

it

as

would need

whatever to the exterior of the

and very

little modifications

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

leave

to

was

20

to

made

inside

perhaps special

our

the

not

stabilize the base

cross.

takes

So

park

cars.

called Grasscrete.

product

of

just

the cart path and I'
d like to

this

surface

is

comments

some

now

the ability to

pointed out, this

11

19

have

112.

south, another

neighborhood of 250

you would distribute

total

of about

in

the

That

under what's

events

10

can

total

So we

at

a

a

cars.

There

is

for

cars

special

Paul

As

block and parking.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

to

the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 31

1

inside

2

dealt with

3

fragility

4

problem

5

it

6

and which it

in

7

the

building,

that
of

have

the

in the

building,

sense

any greater
is

to

9

have

convert.

have

We

that

don't

we

capacity

it

as

don't

we

Thank you.

12

MR. RAMPELL:

13

The

think

on

everyone's mind about

15

cause

16

analyzed

17

and

18

within the

19

is

20

traffic

requirements

and Palm Beach

21

traffic

limitations.

For $325,
000

22

annual

23

certain number

24

allocated

25

within those

Club certainly
MarLago
a-

will

traffic.

of

is

whether it will

will

It

with the

scrupulously stay
amount

convert.

much, Gene.

the

we

don't

the outside.

14

problem

have

we

We

to

Thank you very

subject

this

a

been used

club.

a

to

changes

no

11

too much

we

The

that

see

has

major changes inside

one

that

would not be using

we

think it is

make

to

issues

being used.

We

make

to

other

two

been discussed here.

So, in conclusion,

8

10

of

traffic

not.

utmost

within
to

intensity
the

which

have

We

limits,

MarLago
a-

entitled under both the Town of Palm Beach

real

estate

to

of

taxes,

automobile

We
MarLago.
a-

do

a

in

year

think that

trips ought
will

a

to

be

stay exactly

limits.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

we

County's

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 32

1

Mr.

Pollock,

Mr.

Joseph Pollock,

2

expert of impeccable integrity

3

I

4

exaggerate

5

County and

6

explain

7

managed.

know has

ever

been able

will
Town

9

Mr. Pollock:

10

MR. WEINBERG:

11

Mr. Pollock:

have

I

the

For

Good

14

I'
m

15

I

16

engineering

17

Mr.

Rampell indicated,

18

Mr.

Trump

19

analysis

20

The

club

as

club

like

have

23

21

no

other

22

no

club

23

even

24

the

25

rates

years
and

to

of

with
of

to

meet

we

He will

also

will

events

morning,

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

name

is

Joe

Pollock.

Kimley-Horn & Associates.
traffic

transportation planning.

a

the club at

we

were

traffic

retained

As

by

evaluation

MarLago.
a-

proposed

is

unique.

There

will be.
MarLago
a-

club will
and

be

the

Bath &

unique

equation

Tennis

standard

do not

exist

is

There

like it in the Town of Palm Beach.
to

be

sworn.

experience in

prepare

applies

both

of Town Council.

record, my

principal

been

that

Thank you.

President and members

a

that

how regular and special

Mr. Pollock.

13

get him

explain

now

lawyer

no

traffic. limits.

8

12

to

traffic

a

Club.

is

That

Since

trip generation
from

sources

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407)659-

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525.
6723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 33

standard

f

such

sources

2

Transportation Engineers

3

the

4

club will

5

generation

6

use

7

appropriately

8

consequence

9

the club based upon the

Town

Palm Beach

or

that

be

unique,

or

Institute of

studies

facilities

employees, the

number of

13

anticipated

service

14

the

15

the

nine

area

to

the

on

hole

seating,

the

17

has

the

grounds such

18

staff

19

and the

20

complies

21

traffic

22

standards

and

the

a

and

as

with both

the

suites,

court,

and the
of

at

uses

the tennis

beach.

the

club

both the

Town

activity

accepted by

have

or

number of

club, other

County staff.
staff

Town

Further, the County

indicated that

County's

the

club

and the Town's

concurrency and traffic performance

requirements.
the County's requi:cements the club

meet

need

of

and

at

rooms

pitch and putt golf

been reviewed

some

trip

service vehicles

The projected traffic

25

conduct

projected traffic activity for

we

12

dining

would

the

the club at Lago.
As
Mara-

to

the

24

since

information to really apply

11

To

in

locally

other clubs

at

the number of guest
Lago;
Mara-

23

And

could not

10

16

here

even

County.

we

traffic

or

the

as

the

to

utilize

shuttle

club's employees

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

a

to

to

transport

the property

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

or

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 34

1

reduce

2

another possibility and others

3

means.

4

transport approximately 40 percent of the

5

employees

6

the

7

club will

8

The

9

is

in the

seating

The

dining

club will

of

the

utilize

club

the

to

Town

comply

with the

in Mr.

dated

shuttle to

a

property such that

activity

Jeffrey

the

on

Weidner's

11

Mr. Brisson's

12

of

13

concurrency is documented in Mr. Charles

14

Walker's

15

1993.

letter to the Town dated

Mr. Pollock:

18

MS. SMITH:

Wasn't

it March

30.

March

on

You

30,

I'
m

14

April

letter to the Town dated May 30

17

of

May 30?

not

sorry.

don't want to confuse us,

you?

20

Mr. Pollock:

21

thinking

22

notes

23

apologize

24

undermine my

25

determination

County's

MS. SMITH:

do

to

May 7 of 1993 and in

16

19

the

letter

Mr. Frank

The

of

concurrency

10

1993.

other

exist,

County's requirements.

staff determination

documented

do

traffic

proposed activity

That's

area.

I

that this
down

wrote

You're

is

I

may and when

guess
I

I

was

made my

May instead of March, but

for that.

Access

right.

Hopefully

I

that doesn't

integrity.
to

the

club

for members

and

their

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 35

0

1

guests will be from

2

see

3

will

4

from the

ocean

figure,

Boulevard,

while

service

as

and

can

you

staff

the

property from Southern

Boulevard.

The

club will

5

officers

control traffic at the entrance and

6

exit

7

and the

8

a

9

Ocean Boulevard

access

to

Ocean Boulevard.

on

Council

11

will

add

12

area

of

13

assuming

14

Transportation

15

We

16

absolutely

17

properly, but

18

as

19

will

20

to

deems

the entrance.

at

that that's

entrance

that

the

to

will

for

22

proposing

23

club

24

main entrance

25

access

is

to

from

the

see

an

utilize
into

entrance

on

Town

a

club

in the

lane,

turn

Department of
this

the

minor

Town

on

desires

it will
on

widening.

function

to

the

lane

and the

DOT

Boulevard.

figure,

perspective

what we're

for the

existing entrance,

as
MarLago
a-

only while

if,

reduce the delay

ocean

this

access

the

club

install

agree to

northbound traffic
can

create

permit

permit it,since

you

the

for

that that widening is

we

if

If

Boulevard

Ocean

Florida

necessary

stated,

As

desire

a

appropriate, the

to

pavement

some

don't believe

21

staff

left turn lane to be provided

10

the

duty police

Both the Town

County staff have indicated

northbound

I

off

employ

one

the exit

the

way inbound
for the

club

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955
Boca

 36

1

would be

2

entrance

3

club

4

their

5

and staff would be

6

This

7

staff

8

be

9

appears

would utilize
the

to

for traffic

and this would be

guests and,

is

used

I

as

on

for

said,

and the

10

constructed

11

road

access

for

where

area

requested

a

physically

can

be

it

physically

can

be

in

that

the

club members

and that

though

as

have

County

exiting

and

service

the Southern Boulevard.

the location in the

provided

12

north

the existing service

area

within the

the

Town

turn

lane

existing

rightway.
ofWhat

have

we

into

proposed

is

two

lanes

of

13

traffic

14

cochere.

15

that

there's

16

only

wide

17

time but

18

property inside the gate it is possible, the

19

entry road is

20

two

vehicles

and with the path, with that,

21

can

have

valet

22

And

by

23

width that two lanes

24

same

25

the gate

the

club

only

once

time

the

a

same

or

is

one

for

enough

the

lane

of

or

and

the

agree

gate is

vehicle to enter at

one

the vehicles

are

a

the

onto

sufficient width to accommodate

drop points

token the

move

of

exit

traffic

toward the

only really

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the porte

recognize and understand

We

two

approaching

or

locations.

is

of

can

exit.

sufficient
exit

at

Here

again

wide enough for

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

we

the

one

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 371-2713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 37

1

vehicle to exit

at

2

vehicles

lanes

3

the

4

quickly

5

we've

6

locations

7

there would be minimal

8

Ocean Boulevard.

9

smoothly

two

activity

the

or

and

the time, but

activity
The

by

and

off

The

is

effectively

valet

12

entering

13

valet

14

accommodate the demand.

15

stacking

16

accommodate

over

17

that's very

adequate

18

during

the

19

that's

sufficient

20

The

21

is

22

valet

23

will

24

the

25

number of

we

the

have

to

propose

the

to

key

11

the property in this

parked

with

inside

20

and

cars

the
an

area

would be
staff

to

handle
of

adequacy

the

to

move

sufficient

club will
number

people will

of
be

lanes

to

club activity
believe

we

special
these

the

to

believe that

we

and

adequate number

anticipated

vehicles

for normal

day and evening

and two

all

have

We

on

operation.

lanes

adequate valet

an

such that

valet

the gate in these two

attendants

know

said,

entry working

two

The

drop operations.

having

I

as

traffic

to

delays

That's

to

that very

officers

duty police

10

key

control,

such that

would control both of these

we

why

do

can

two

get

can

against that,

up

swiftly.

we

that
also.

events

inbound

of valet

lanes

staff

We

quickly.

cars

and

know beforehand what

guests

what the

or

attending

a

particular

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 38

1

activity

2

through

3

an

4

accommodate

5

as

6

staff entry and exit.

7

staff

and

8

truck

activity.

9

that

10

function at the club and the club

or

its

valet

number of valet

adequate

the

and

service

11

for

There's

been

some

if the Town desires

14

willing

15

gate

16

vehicles.

17

such

18

architecturally compatible

19

gate that's there.

20

of

of

out

this

or

the

and

some

garbage

staff and

is

expressed about
and

existing gate

provide

the property to
that

today by

and

address that the club is

to

construct

If

of

concern

13

out

service

location.

the

to

to

Boulevard,

delivery

all

12

maneuver

have

or

would propose to continue

We

that

to

a

used

It'
s

service

some

attendants

the

as

basically have
come

exit

serve

provide

can

Southern

activity.

said, would

I

operation

an

additional

accommodate exiting

desired

by

the

Town

and if

gate is provided, it would be

a

One

of

the most

with the existing

discussed items

21

associated with

special

22

special events,

as

23

Town

24

evenings

25

until

has

events.

been

that

they

after

6:
00

typically

p.
m.

or

later

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

or

would

they

occur

and

about

thing

in the

probably

occur

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

traffic

discussed with the

staff, is

7

The

is

on

not

weekends

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 39

1

which

times when traffic volumes

2

somewhat reduced

3

Ocean

Boulevard.

As

4

seating capacity

for

5

less

6

with that

7

approximately 200

8

parking

9

As

are

than

of

for that
I

special
and

know that
would

activity

have

We

cars.

site.

on

normal operation of the

11

is

12

the

two

13

for

drop

14

we

would operate

15

as

I

16

with the two drop points

17

sufficient

number of valet attendants

18

drop

to move

19

passengers

20

garage

21

and then

22

drop

and

23

that

activity.

24

and

25

quickly.

the

entrance

number of valet
lanes
off

associated

adequate

club, the key
the

little

a

generate

10

to

on

the

is

events

we

with the

said,

indicated,

we've

400 people
level

reduced

significantly

or

are

attendants

into

coming

working smoothly
and

the porte

and the way that

well

as

cochere

as

area

would operate

we

I

A&
AL

the

entry for

said, it would be the

areas

have

and

area

they

come

the

those valet

can

The

And

car

it'
s

vehicles,

in

at

a

a

the

the

that

porte cochere

attendants

make those

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the

the

would have

Once

in

coming

and down to

over

stopped

back to

we

cars.

exited

lanes

two

and

special event,

a

would

the
location
or

only

valet
do

very short distance
the distance very

once

they

are

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

brought

to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 40

1

this

location would be

2

this

location to

3

parking by

a

4

who

because

5

would need

6

relatively clear of any congestion.

7

basically

8

and to keep

9

attendants

would,

much

final

group of valet parkers

larger
of

the

distance

greater number

a

how the valet
a

at

the

drop

area

11

backing

up

12

Ocean Boulevard.

from

14

anticipated

15

function

16

valet

attendants

17

said,

we

have

on

18

vehicles

with

a

19

stacking

said, the club

I

provide

can

The exit

congestion

from

an

backing up

or

know what

be at the

site

stacking

lane

two

21

entry, but still with the valet.

22

vehicle

23

the porte

24

would operate

25

location and would take the ticket

the member

cochere in this
is

a

area

manner

The

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

than the

actual

and how that
man

this

from the

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

20

occurred north of

doorman would

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

over

I

would be

event

slightly different

pick up by

As

operation.

special

a

the

particular

that.

for

onto

number of

adequate

operated in

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

that's

But

them

20

a

area

move

accommodate

to

for

and to

will

attendance will

and

this

keep

sufficient number of valet

away and to keep the

As

to

involved,

operator would operate

quickly

or

from

for

destination

10

13

n

its

then taken, driven

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 41

1

guest

2

particular vehicle.

3

that vehicle

4

area

5

parked.

He would

6

dispense

or

7

retrieve

the

8

area

9

and exit out to Ocean Boulevard.

whomever that's

or

to

coordinator

a

of the parking where the

where

the

11

off

12

entrance.

13

the

14

example,

15

on

16

for the vehicles

17

will

18

If

19

exit, it

20

on

that

traffic

much

is

are

actually

and

by

occur

later

the

to

to

pick up

As

I

car

said,

we

police officer

a

would the

we

at

hours where

in the evening, for
volumes

are

lower

even

it would be much easier

exit

to

attendant

just like

traffic

police

a

cars

in the

out

would then enter the

exit will

Boulevard

have

it

bring

officer

when the

Ocean

there

and

parking

exit manned

duty police
The

a

owner

would have

a

that coordinator would

send out
car

requesting

The doorman would radio

number

10

21

there

at

officer

that
to

time, but

facilitate

we

that.

any congestion associated with the

would

occur

on

the property and not out

Ocean.
We

believe that the

22

and

23

adequate

to

meet

24

activity

of

the

25

interference

traffic

proposed

access

plan

management plan for the club is

to

the

anticipated

club with minimal

the traffic

on

traffic

delays

Ocean

and

Boulevard.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft.

Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 42

1

With

2

MR. RAMPELL:

3

As

that,

Thank you, Mr. Pollock.

imagine, experts will disagree.

can

you

thank you for the time.

I

4

We

5

which is

6

anticipating that,

7

introduce to you John W. Barr, another traffic

8

expert with 40 years of experience in traffic

9

who

expect that

traffic

a

critical

rendered

an

of Mr. Pollock's

independent

11

different

12

Pollock, just that

13

one.

us

MR. WEINBERG:

It'
s

Have

and, in
I

can

now

totally

using

a

completely

offense to Joe

no

heads

two

15

better than

are

you been

in,

sworn

Mr. Barr?

17

MR. BARR:

18

Good
members

20

morning

of

For

Yes, sir,
Mr.

I

have.

Mayor,

Mr.

the record my

I'
m

22

Tallahassee

and my

23

engineering

and

name

is

John W. Barr.

president of Barr, Dunlop &

Mr.

Rampell

statesman

of

profession is

Associates

in

traffic

transportation planning.
referred

traffic

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

President,

Council.

21

25

glad that

for

methodology.

Mr. Barr.

24

am

of Mr. Pollock's

14

19

I

opinion

10

16

study will be proposed

to me

awhile

engineering and

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

ago

I'
m

as

a

glad

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 43

1

that

he

2

appreciate that, although

3

years

4

did not

of

the

use

My firm and I
traffic

6

proposal.

Specifically,

7

the

to

8

generation

9

provide

advice to

the

potential problems

11

the

proposed

examined very

We

14

of

15

Comprehensive

16

counts

that

17

season

of

18

counts

taken by Heath &

19

traffic

20

vicinity

21

Boulevard

22

of

23

There

24

afternoon

1

Palm Beach Traffic

1993

and

Plan.

traffic

were

the

days
it

Schnars (

at

of

the

Town

traffic

recent

peak

area; traffic

in the

past peak

level of

peak
at

hour of

level

Service

Ocean

season

better.

or

the

Service

D.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

in the

found that

we

this

and

phonetic)

Service D

operated

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

County's

called,

are

in this

property and

some

sometimes

the

the

during

activity

the level

of

problems.

reviewed

operated during

that

effectiveness

taken by Tipton Associates

counts

at

regarding

Circulation Element
We

made

were

clients

they

as

traffic

and to

carefully

Performance

of

the

impacts

those

to

13

25

Standards

our

this

review

objectively

and the

solutions

40

provide

in relation to

and its potential

10

12

to

to

independently analyze

candid

the

to

profession.

services

engineering

I

statesman.

admit

retained

were

5

facts,

will

I

in my

experience

elder

term

C

Overall,

a

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 44

1

rather comfortable condition.

2

standard

level

3

level of

Service

4

It'
s

5

operating

over

capacity

and will

6

operating

over

capacity

for

7

and certainly long after this

8

in

9

under its

of

clear to

service

for

There

E.

full operation.

is

quite

few years

a

to

and is

operate

capacity.

traffic

12

the

13

operating

14

normal hour

15

Club
MarLago
a-

16

the

17

generation

18

estimate traffic with confidence.

evaluated

which

club's

the

potential

estimate will

we

activities
basis

of

We

is

in

experience
other

21

membership

22

generation.

Not

23

the

of the activities

24

which will

use

proposed.

measures

a

We

believe

total

correlated with

nearly

attract

as

people

also did not

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

us

on

that

use

well

to

the

those
same

trip
as

the property
activities.
method used

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

to

number of

correlated
of

that

traffic

method based

well

not

believe

we

facilities enables

members

is

daily

estimating

20

not

generated by

agree that the

but

unique,

We

did

be

of

and in the peak hour of the

operating day.

and

volumes

the normal

on

19

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

be

continue

11

We

now

club opens

We

25

capacity.

not

not

10

logic

Boulevard is

reserve

road

It will

adopted

Ocean

is

that this

us

The

by

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 45

1

Mr. Pollock.

2

independent approach

3

actual measured

4

been measured at resort hotels, tennis

5

quality

6

the

7

estimated

8

club

9

per

used

We

of

in the

and
of

use

that

rates

from research

the

have

clubs

the

of three to 400 vehicles

around 348

day averaging

We

of

daily trip generation

vicinity

and

compiled by

Transportation Engineers.

normal

a

which made

trip generation

restaurants

Institute

different

a

approximately

on

10

average

11

close

12

completely independently

13

estimated the normal peak hour of that average

14

day, daily operation to

15

to

60 vehicles

16

on

a

17

operation.

18

out

19

of

20

p.
m.,sometimes

21

events

22

they'll

23

the peak traffic

24

These

25

Boulevard.

day.

to

Remarkably,

Mr. Pollock's

that

was

a

was

an

very

estimate, although

entering

arrived

be

in the

and

at.

We

of

vicinity

leaving

the

30

property

normal day during its peak hours of

That's

approximately

every two minutes.
the

operation

or

as

not

will

even

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

usually

average

occur

is

daily
the

during

measured

at various

Sometimes

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

noted that

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NationsBank
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Area Code (305) 5256723

peaks
7

to

special

on

but

which

Boulevard.

hours
noon

one

occur

hours

Ocean

afternoon

during the

as

events

same

on

the

6:
30

later in the evening

occur

happen

We

in and

one

on

Ocean

hour,

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 46

1

sometimes

mid

2

6

in the

o'
clock

have

afternoon

recommended

We

4

special

5

handle the normal

6

and

7

club.

8

help

determine what

9

club

might

remedial

to

measures

be

not

that

necessary to

operating

as

recommended

size of

called

as

monitoring

activities

normal that

a

to

in the

be

might

10

called then special events which would

11

some

12

of negative impacts

13

devised what

14

scenario.

15

event

16

police officer control, for internal stacking

17

vehicles

18

valet

19

should be

20

arriving

remedies

special

we

no

daily operations of ingress

also

But we

after

never

clients

our

are

the property

to

probably

evening.

3

egress

and

to

any possibility

prevent

Ocean

on

referred to

trigger

Boulevard.
as

We

maximum

a

peak

Aft

21

case, if

A worst

when there would be

arriving

parking

vehicles

22

be

23

maximum

24

at

25

traffic

least

in

in order

peak scenario
one

at

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

follows:

50

there
60

to

measures

handle

to

this

One, employ

experienced
to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

of

period.

following

entrance

for

adequate

as

adequately

as

each

and

many

minute

officer

police

control

as

the

to

need

believe that

We

15

a

recommended

employed

rapid

handle

to

maximum

a

for

service.

plans

We've

and

you will, special

in

control

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 47

1

entering

2

main entrance gates

3

valet

4

capacity

5

for

6

traffic

7

should be

8

vehicles

9

the

exiting traffic; two,

an

and

service

parking

stack at

to

is

at

point

least

20

vehicles

waiting
direct

to

into these queues; three, valet
to

provided adequate
from the

which

available, provide

and attendants

service

parking

the main

between the

stacking

the

remove

as

area

service

rapidly

arrival rate after the peak 15 minute period

10

and, four, adequate internal parking space

11

paved

12

stabilized

or

We

reviewed the

carefully

that has

14

just

been

15

have

found that

16

recommendations

17

will

18

possible problems during peak

described to you

provide

It

is

20

measures

21

impacts

22

minimized

23

congestion

24

occur.

25

of

that

the

our

are

it meets

to

or

the

hazards

that

on

we

proposed
to

and

any

events.

if

at

and

these

these

proficiency,

events

extent

MR. RAMPELL:

special
the

traffic

the club will be
no

Ocean

significant
Boulevard will

Thank you, Mr. Barr.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
Sth Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

that

taken with

special

of

remedy

necessary

and has

Mr. Pollock

by

all

event

proposed

have had

we

opinion

special

been

circulation

plan

on

areas.

grass

13

19

as

& CONSOR REPORTING

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 48

1

To

2

believe

3

Moreover,

4

that

5

R. Harris

6

cannot

7

traffic

8

complied

9

another

sum

the

the

meet

we

we

the subject of traffic,

on

up

traffic

makes.

the

to

effect

that

two

fully

we

There may be

the contrary, however, if the

to

11

also confirms that

12

limitations, both County

13

certain

R. Harris

will

we

suggestions,
as

have

We

limitations.

report of Frederick

One,

suggestions

subjective.

as

with traffic

opinion

the

Frederick R. Harris' report

attacked

opinions

of

expert Frederick

10

14

requirements.

will meet all

Town's

be

traffic

we

many of

is

traffic

meet

and Town

pooling

all of which
us

know,

it

followed,

agree to.

we

Preservation

a

Day

celebrated at Duck's Nest at the Maddock

15

was

16

property last year in which

17

people,

18

a

19

taken

20

the

21

of

people focus

22

at

the

23

Table

24

in two ways.

We

25

which

can

huge

it

estimated,

was

traffic
to

avoid that

problem

attendance would be
the

case

we

Mr.

It

that
to

I

created
were

believe

300.

A

lot

congestion that resulted
the
We

look at

it

Palm Beach Round
can

look at that

negatively

in

think that Lago
and the
Mara-

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

so

Trump.

can

thousand

measures

limited

reception following
speech by

a

attended.

This year

jam.

on

over

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NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 49

1

club is

nothing but disaster, there will be

2

traffic

all

3

that

4

the

5

lookat it

6

ways to prevent this

7

and that

8

by

9

proposed

road

Lrll

going
in

is

be

just

going

to

erode,

into the
and

positive light

a

exactly

different
and

fall

to

is

to

from

what

have

we

that

measures

sea

or

like

we

figure

can

out

happening again

ever

do

to

attempted

Mr.

Pollock has

by following your expert's

10

requirements.

11

disagreement

12

correlation between club members

13

F-i

is

s going
time, it'

and the beach

day

one

the

the

There's

over

a

little bit of

whether

or

there

not

is

any

and traffic.

The Palm Beach Yacht Club in West Palm

14

Beach has

15

dining for

16

500.
approximately 1,

It

17

that

It'
s

18

who

about

square

people.

traffic.

causes

to

come

19

90

3,
000

property

a

The

has
is

membership

the

any

we

It

membership

isn't

on

But, in any event,

feet.

alone

number of members

given day.

will

abide

by

the

20

report from the Frederick R. Harris expert since

21

it

be

cannot

22

There

23

Griffin and

24

take

25

one

My

disputed
two

are

one

minute
name

is

from Fred
to

anything

affidavits,

but

one

objective.

from Jim

Furtado, which will

read.

James

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

as

B. Griffin.

CONSOR REPORTING

I

reside

AGENCY, INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Area Code (305) 5256723

at

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 50

1

and it has been my residence since
MarLago
a-

2

about

3

since about 1946.
MarLago
a-

4

Marjorie

Merriweather Post, the U.
S. government,

5

the

Foundation

6

all of the usages

7

private

8

layout

9

sufficiently

1927.

Post

have been the manager of

I

and

I

Donald

J.

for

proposed

for

large

its

built

It was

functioned

people.

10

witnessed hundreds

11

at

12

with the

13

following

14

19, 1993.

15

can

be moved onto

16

any

difficulty.

17

Round Table

18

was

19

private

20

across

21

problem whatsoever.

22

for

23

trucks

24

south side of the estate without

any

25

the

entered

of

traffic
MarLago
a-

in

the

use

has

Round Table

It was

and off
The

club.

the

Cars

problem

a

on

February

estate

cars

without

traffic problem after the
while

happened

home

single family

a

events

Several hundred

of

have

reception

luncheon

fluke.

a

luncheon
as

the

I

regular

been

never

exception of

one

and

special

of

design,
and

of

groups

Out

Trump.

the
MarLago
a-

social club best suits
and purpose.

employed by

was

and trucks

the

estate

and not

as

a

have been driven

for decades without any
MarLago
a-

this

purpose

The

is

a

use

good

of

the

route.

cart

Cars

have been parked under the trees

trees.

Cars

and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

trucks. have

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

path
and
the

on

damage

to

into

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 51

1

and exited out of

2

Boulevard

3

whatsoever."

4

In

5

I'
m not

6

trash

7

and out

8

any

existing Southern

the

gate for decades without any problems

fact, for those of you who

reading

now

from the

is picked up every

know

don't

the

affidavit

in

The truck goes

day.

of the Southern Boulevard gate without

problem.
second affidavit

The

9

is

I

just

want

Furtado.

Fred

I'
m

briefly

to

Captain

10

read. " My

11

at

12

have

13

Sheriff

14

officer of the Town of Palm Beach for about ten

15

years.

16

Service which has

17

Drive

18

has

19

been involved

20

events.

Yaw%

name

the Palm Beach
been

I

26

am

the

owner

its

previously

of

offices

in Palm Beach

On

in hundreds

January 27, 19!3

at

for
of

257

regular

my company

service to Donald Trump

for

23

evening

police

Valet

Glen Eagles

24

duty police

25

automobiles without any traffic

a

and has

and

special

provided
party in the
and two

off

parked approximately

170

Using 19
MarLago.
awe

a

25 years

valet

officers

was

My valet service

22

at

County

Fred Furtado's

in Atlantis, Florida.

operated

21

I

years.

Office and

Palm Beach

the

employed by

for

Sheriff's

County

a

men

congestion

or

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407) 338-

 52

1

backup

2

moved onto

3

efficiently

4

On

and out

of

cars

were

promptly,
MarLago
a-

and without

any

February 18, 1993,

complaints.

provided

my company

service to the Palm Beach Historical

5

valet

6

Society

7

at

8

police

9

automobiles

for

a

luncheon

officers

12

backup

11

moved onto

12

without

on

any

without

any traffic

of

service

1993

congestion
All

or

cars

were

Trump for guests after

15

luncheon of

16

several hundred

17

the

18

traveled and arrived

19

exact

20

Boulevard.

21

misunderstanding,

22

until about 2:
30
MarLago
a-

23

began arriving

24

to

25

entry

to

Mr.

the Palm Beach Round Table.

Inn

people left the
downtown West
at

did not

2:
10.

even

the estate

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

and

a

front

at

gate

though guests

Many people unrelated

attempted illegal

were

turned away.

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Area Code (305) 5256723

the

South Ocean

on

open the

all

almost

at
MarLago
a-

The gate keeper, due to

at

location,

same

time, back up occurred

a

Since

Palm Beach and

the Palm Beach Round Table

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

104

my company provided

valet

onto

duty

complaints.

14

same

noon

MarLago
aquickly and

February 19,

Ramada

off

parked approximately

we

and out

o'
clock

and two

men

South Ocean Boulevard.

10

On

about

at

Using 11
MarLego.
a--

13

All

South Ocean Boulevard.

on

One

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 53

his

1

driver

2

left it. Many

3

told do

4

caused the traffic

parked

traffic

6

with out

7

and

8

cars

9

valet will

one

be

can

in

parked
be much

cars

11

arranged

instead of

lanes

should be

drive

16

two

17

Club decals

18

speeded

lanes.

19

As

handled

25

men

the

two

of

lanes

two

driveway

are

present one."

that

is

part

to

one

If club members

of

our

plan,

one.

way traffic

changed

Parking by

on

the

front

way inwards with

place

the Lago
Mara-

in their cars, valet parking

can

be

up.

valet

20

with

21

smoother."

attendants

parking
MarLago
a-

To

fluke.

a

to

hour.

the main

through

present

15

half

ingress rather than

of

The

14

22

one

Parenthetically,
two

Using up

faster if

incoming

13

was

duty police officers, 200

10

12

which

be

and

been

I

factors

can
MarLago
a-

problems.

off

two

or

congestion
at

driveway

These

undermanned.

events

Special

5

front

arrived then

guests

more

were

we

in the

car

complete my
have

will

go

references

23

file, we

submitted

24

property values in the

25

will
MarLago
a-

not

become more

be

an

familiar

smoother

to

our

and

official

expert opinion of

areas

surrounding

injured

and may be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 54

1

enhanced

2

noise

3

nonexistent

4

the quote canopy close quote of

5

south

6

roots.

7

side

expert opinion that additional

an

from the

I

an

of

club will be minimal

expert opinion

the

will

estate

that

questions

9

the

Town

that
and

frequently

are

providing

Who will

hurt

some

asked of

Club, Inc.,a Florida corporation.

club? The

will

owner

Two, who will

own

The shareholders will
Inc.?

15

corporation.

16

directors

It will

who will
be

around

me

be

elect

the

be

the

MarLago
a-

the Lago
MaraClub,

14

Who will

few

a

if it is converted
MarLago
a-

own

12

17

any tree

answers.

into

13

along the

trees

not

under

parking

11

a

or

wish to conclude by anticipating

8

10

and

run

own

the

club,

through

a

board

of

officers.

shareholders?

Initially,

18

Donald

Trump and then any individuals who buy

19

shares

as

20

a

21

majority

equity club memberships.
of

majority

22

of

shares

are

Club,
MarLago
a-

24

Mr.

Inc. will

Trump will pay any
if

the

club

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

holder

of

if
the

bills? The
Maras
pay Lago'

23

What

and

shares will control the club.

Who will

25

sold the

When

bills but

pay all

deficit.

fails

after

a

& CONSOR REPORTING

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Area Code (305) 5256723

few

years?

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 55

estate will

1

The

2

The Town will

3

significant

4

lawsuit will be

5

preservation

6

These

7

interior of

8

9

ways.

a

settled.

least

at

will remain in

Preservation easement

easement

place.
over

is

a

deed

simple

very

which Mr.

Trump conveys the control

11

aesthetic

components

12

qualified

and

13

like the Preservation Foundation, which

14

the

15

components

16

of

can't

This

is

a

architectural

19

formed that

20

form because

21

that

22

Mr.

the

be

changed

deed of

of

the

easements
oversees

The

estate.

without

the

approval

open space and

scenic

easement which has

facade

we

these

holding

charity

a

holder.

easement

18

23

of

capable

by

certain

over

to
of Lago
Mara-

conversation of aspects

17

the

easement?

10

the

two

building.
preservation

a

in

home.

Second, permanent

unprecedented

the

single family

First, the subdivision

easements

is

to

be better off

include

What

revert

would

use.

know it'
s

We

I

copied

it

from

first

lawyer

in Preservation

a

been
a

easement

good
deed

drafted,

Chopin.
When will

24

Essentially,

25

immediately

the easement be

the

easement

because

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

the

must

given?
be

given

application

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

would be

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (305) 3712713

Area Code (407)338-0955

 56

1

granted

the

2

easement must

3

before

4

there

5

m
easement, I'

6

out

to

Club,
MarLago
Abe

the club
is

given directly from
be

can

sure

that

with the
I'
m

any details with Mr.

7

How many members

8

mentioned,

9

exactly

it'
s

11

Town

12

Although

13

shares,

14

membership-since.

15

number of

16

decreased.

17

club has

18

we

19

reasonably appropriate.

will

20

working

the club have? As

at

this time

611.

I

The

to

answer

That

is

what the

expert has in his written report.

the Articles
this

of

number has

Incorporation
real

no

state

bearing

500

on

Every lawyer knows that the

authorized shares
Our traffic
for

capacity

can

engineer

be increased
states

thousand

a

that

members,

or

the
but

accept the limit the Town deems

Another

question

that's

21

will

Mr.

22

No.

Except that he will be

23

and

24

guest

25

to

very difficult to determine

the

a

If

Randolph.

will

10

traffic

Trump

form of

permitted

the number of members.

question

Mr.

begin operations.

difficulty

any

Inc. The

Trump continue

therefore

he will

live

to

be

often

a

at

asked to me,

MarLago?
a-

member of

the

entitled to the

club

use

of

rooms.

Are

guest

rooms

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

allowed? Yes.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

Guest

rooms

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 57

1

constitute

2

clubs

3

around the

4

X11

an

in Florida

Just

clubs

in the United

and

and

room

private

States

and

around the world.
have

I

minute, please.

one

of

typical

use

accessory

that have

guest

rooms; the

Boca

Teeca

Club,

list

a

of

Sound

5

25

6

Country Club,

7

Dartmouth Club, the Deep Dale Country Club, the

8

Jockey Club,

9

Largo Angler's Club,

John's

10

Metropolitan Club,

11

University Club,

12

the Yale Club.

13

Guest

rooms

from

15

reference to in the

16

not

17

be

18

guests.

have

only

to

this

is

that

21

rendered

a

22

which is

also part

23

rooms

25

Zoning

are

Will

which

Code.

made

are

Guest

Guest

club members

acceptable.

Country Club,

distinguished,

facilities.

20

24

the Princeton Club, the

Bill Brisson the Town

19

Club, the

the La Cita

living quarters

kitchen

limited

Island Country Club, Key

should be

though,

Cay Club, the

Cat

the Westchester

14

April

rooms

rooms

do

will

and their

planner

concluded

has

Mr. Ciklin

has

thoroughly researched legal opinion
of

our

record that

guest

permissible.
B&

memberships?

T

Club members

Another

be given free

question

asked of

me

very

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.

Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 58

1

often.

2

privileges

3

Town

4

and others

5

that

this

6

have

and

so

7

from

our

application

8

time.

9

Club,
MarLago
a-

10

7)

Although

of

disapprove
adds

the

to

we

do

We

Tennis

Club members, the

expert, certain Town staff members

of the Bath &

number

and do
have

to

if

Tennis

to
so

an

it is

idea

In

12

restrictions

13

limits

on club
and

dining

on

Another

special

have

we

this

this

at

annual event at the
at which

limits

all

invited.

are

certain

necessary such

as

events.

asked of me, how

question

enforced? We

formally

approved,

are

that

eliminate

Club members

use

believing

of members

compelled

are

hope

this

order to meet traffic

11

14

Bath &

to

traffic

very much wish to give guest

we

these

can

15

be

16

a

17

Club,
MarLago
a-

18

sets

19

which will be enforced by the Code Enforcement

20

officer in the Town of Palm Beach and penalties

21

can

be

22

not

trying

23

to

24

will

be

granted

25

that

we

abide

legally binding

out

all

trick

recorded
Mr.

hide

and the
that

anything.
The

access

by

entering into

agreement between the

for violations

anybody.

Town which

apply

to

thereof.
We're

not

Code Enforcement
to

the

club

and

us

We

are

trying
officer

to make

sure

whatever restrictions you deem

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Trump

restrictions

assessed
to

committed to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 59

1

and reasonable.

appropriate

2

What will be the hours

3

Club? That's

4

will be the
Another

5

other clubs

as

what's

7

Foundation? Will

8

since

9

with no

of

position

it is

has

question

6

the

a

Hoffstot,

11

Foundation, told

12

succeed.

13

counsel

14

wouldlike to speak at

15

as

16

is

a

in Palm Beach.

Preservation

of

preservation

10

Other

hours

it endorse the Lago
Club
Mara-

total

of

The

me.

been asked of me,

the

subdivision and
one

asked of

frequently

same

of the Lago
Mara-

on

of

Monday

people tell

great dramatic
as

the

Preservation

want

we

estate

Barbara

change?

no

the members
me

the

you

to

that their

me

can

and

speaker

public hearings

many

possible.
Can

Donald

Trump be

trusted with

17

That is
MarLago?
a-

18

questions asked

19

preservation

20

individual

21

government.

22

except for Mrs. Post.

23

financial

24

maintenance expenses

25

spent millions of dollars since 1985 when Doyle

or

of

of

me.

the

biggest

Donald has

done

more

including

group

the

U.
S.

Any other individual, pardon

crisis

for

than any other
MarLago
a-

he

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

of

one

Even

never

of

during

his

recent

failed to pay the

the estate.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

me,

He

has

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.P. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 60

1

I

2

property.

3

Mr.

4

and has been involved with preservation

5

preservation

6

such

7

Hotel.

8

contains

9

year.

10

113

mean

the

Post

Foundation

People often

sold him the

don't

Trump loves, is obsessed with real

as

of historic

landmarks

the'
Grand

Central

This

box.

is

a

invoices

for

This

a

the

and The
box.

Plaza

This

bills
MarLago'
as

for

one

welcome to take

are

a

look at it.
MS. WEINER:

12

MR. RAMPELL:

than my house.

Worse

I wasn't

13

was

14

me

15

000 approximately
spends $7,

16

If the decision
MarLago.
a-

17

is

18

200,000.

19

days, $
600,000.

for maintenance

all

the bills

delayed

We

and

30

days,

30

more

have

given

he obliged

that

interested party

23

for
MarLago
a-

our

24

sincerely hope

that you will

in

for

on

day
our

to

Mr.

Trump

on

application

about
more

complete excessively

a

22

well

figure

about $400,
000, 30

detailed

plan

me.

each

comes

days,

you

what the

sure

asked Mr. Trump to send

I

so

21

25

is

estate

in New York

Terminal

The Council members

11

20

realize that

advance to

every

the preservation of

life

times

and

beyond

approve

our

and

we

plan.

Thank you.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955
Boca

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1

MR. WEINBERG:

2

Well

3

now

take

Thereupon,

a

4

MR. WEINBERG:

5

Mr.

6

finish,

7

Thank you, Mr.

recess

We

Rampell had
this

so

is

MR. RAMPELL:

8

One, in

9

constructing

club

our

property

12

order to protect the

15

unity

16

and basic

we

well

other

that

a

141

less

not

perimeter

hedge

on

of the

line

tree

or

than

in

Woodbridge.

wanted to mention is

I

willing

omitted.

were

committed to

are

neighbors

item that

sign

to

the customary

of title agreement to tie the beach parcel

property together.

estate

17

Thank you.

18

MR. WEINBERG:

19

the

public

to

20

I'
m

asking

Mr.

21

ground

22

we

that

the northern

as

also

are

he wanted to

solid masonry wall

a

11

14

items

proposal

height along

The

convene.

statement

a

Two

6' in

as

taken.)

was

now

break.

your turn.

10

13

ten minute

a

Rampell.

rules

wishes

24

application

25

requested

to

Randolph

now

speak
can

to

is

now

be

now

for this

to

favor

do

so,

sworn

period for

give

doing

us

so,

the

next, section.

During this

in

the

and before

participate,

MR. RANDOLPH:

23

This

or

time

anyone who

against the

however, they'll

in.

be

Now, the fact that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 62

1

you're being requested

2

anyone that

3

make

4

precluded

from asking

5

applicant

or

6

and that applies

7

statements

8

to

this,

9

to

ask

i

10

is

going

statement.

a

of

to

of

the

as

after

12

speak, this

13

comment

14

will

15

make the

16

to

public

on

the

will

that

Mr.

Weinberg

has

had

and then we'll

for

18

MR. CALLAHAN:

Yes.

21
22

23
24

25

indicated,

opportunity

to

Mr.

then

Rampell

we

will

then it will

and

go

final deliberation.

Do

to

opportunity

go back to

presentation

the Town Council

an

opposed

go to the Town staff to

go back to Mr. Rampell.

statement

may be

has

full

a

MR. WEINBERG:

20

have

when

individual.

17

19

the

applicant. Also

matter will

final

or

is

one

of

to

any of the applicant's witnesses

questions

11

no

question

a

applies

testimony

any

Certainly,

applicant

After

give

to

in

sworn

given by those who

are

the

be

to

you

have
No.

question,

a

have

I

sir?

a

make.

MR. WEINBERG:

identify yourself

Come

up to the

and make

MR. CALLAHAN:

I

your

certainly

microphone,

short
will.

statement.
I

will

follow your earlier advice.

My
resident

name

is

Jack Callahan.

of Palm Beach

I

have

been

a

for close to 40 years.

I

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 63

1

live

2

and

on

have

I

of

Via

lived there

Vizcaya

for

your parking comments,

5

season,

6

holidays, you

7

Ocean

8

would make

9

again, with all due respect,

can't

the

get

so

of my

out

even

any

studies

done

MR. RANDOLPH:

Was

13

MR. WEINBERG:

Were you

14

MR. CALLAHAN:

I

MR. WEINBERG:

17

Mr.

18

MR. SHAWZIN:

19

MR. WEINBERG:

22

23

three

I

I

he

did

on

more

cars

So,

think the

incorrect.

sworn, Bill?
sworn, sir?

it

mistakenly

earlier.

did it.

16

21

street

100 percent

are

12

20

of the

height

situation intolerable.

Thank you very much.

I

and

gentlemen

the

during

11

15

ocean

Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, spring

Boulevard,

parking

and the

19 years.

4

10

11-11

corner

with all due respect to you

3

1~

the

You

did

it

correctly.

Are you sworn, sir?
Shawzin, is it?

No.
Are

you going to make

a

statement?
MR. SHAWZIN:

No.

I'
m

going

ask

to

a

question.

The

Clerk Swears Mr.

24

MR. SHAWZIN:

25

Mr.

Mayor,

So

Mr.

help

Shawzin.)

me

God

I

do.

President, ladies

of

the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 64

1

Town

2

Beach

3

of

4

proposal.

I

think that there is

5

precedent,

a

lot

6

big

7

traveled

8

able

9

application

Council,

have

I

and off

on

have

of

to

supporting
come

before
is

objections

in

this

density

13

granting

14

enormous,

significant increase

15

operation

of

16

north

and

south

17

we're

going

18

in

19

Boulevard will
I

word.

affects

no

application will

this
a

be

estate.

be

in

few times

a

day,

I

feel

that

along

or

ocean

addition, in order for the

cost

24

with the enforcement people

Town with

in

an

enormous

police force,
and

so

on.

conclusion,

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

Town

that have been

programs

police

just think,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

of

hindered.

23

I

density

stopped by traffic officers

monitor these various

And

an

Going past Lago
Mara-

presented here today, will prove

1

create

in the

22

25

The

question about the

to

the

this

town, I hear

21

to

be

to

if

as

has

in certain ways.

me

The there's

this

think,

not

who

going

considerable way my progress

some

20

it

to

the

to

granted.

12

of

man

you with precedent

about

and

south

lot of

a

is

estate

11

it

Palm

live

I

think any

I

his

in business

Being

few

a

and

of

fine estates, perhaps

but
MarLago,
a-

as

resident

a

for 25 years

I
MarLego.
a-

10

been

that

no

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 65

1

decision should be taken here

2

sympathy

3

problem

4

lawsuit.

5

required

6

and how it will

7

of

with somebody who has
under the threat of

or

I

think that

to make

a

a

good people

decision based

are

the merits

on

affect the Town and the citizens

the Town.
Thank you very much.

9

MS. SMITH:

10

last

11

Could you

Mr.

President, could I ask the
his

applicant ( sic) to please give
give your

MR. SHAWZIN:

13

MR. WEINBERG:

14

you hold your applause.

15

time.

Maurice

Sorry.

16

MS. COSTA:

17

MR. WEINBERG:

My

name.

name?

12

It would be
We're

name

is

Come

to the

Shawzin.

appreciated if
trying

Bernice

to

save

Costa.

microphone,

please.

19

Have

20

The

21
22

economic

an

perhaps

all you

8

18

got

of

out

today

you been
Clerk

MS. COSTA:
statement

23

I

and

I

Ms.

swears

Yes.

do

in, madam?

sworn

It'
s

my

own

it

to

be

swear

think Donald Trump

24

Beach what

25

I'
m

Burt

Reynolds

from the Jupiter.

Costa.)

is

has

I'
ve

personal
the

doing for
done
seen

for
that

truth.
Palm

Jupiter.
grown,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

NationsBank

100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 338-0955

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

International Place

 66

1

sic).we're recognized

2

have

an

3

this

club

4

beautiful

5

be

6

approval.

here

international
idea

is

piece of property

for the

8

MR. PRYOR:
sworn

MR. WEINBERG:

11

MR. PRYOR:

happy

was

to

the

Pryor.

President,

have been

I

members

13

gentlemen, my

14

to

15

Civic Association.

16

have been

17

perusal

make

of

the

Town

just

now

or

Mayor, Mr. President,

Council,
is

name

statement

a

The

Good.

Mr.

12

Louis

on

and

and

prior

the

of my

I

here

am

Palm Beach

presentation

been handed forward

for your

afterwards.

Palm Beach Civic

with Mr. Trump and his

20

studied the written

21

attorneys,

22

relevant
We

ladies

behalf of

Copies

19

23

I

in.

10

18

Mr.

Mr.

this

preserving
and

We

think that

I

and I hope he gets

hearing

MR. WEINBERG:

the world.

over

fan club and

wonderful

7

9

all

owners

Association

met

representatives, has

submission,

of

has

consulted with

contiguous properties

and

experts.
do

24

Mr.

25

preparing

appreciate

the

time

and effort

Trump and his representatives
a

long report that gives

have
much

put

that
into

backup

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 67

1

information

2

their

to

application.

also appreciate and many of

We

3

Mr.

4

of

5

solution to

6

permitted only

7

detriment

8

respect, the existing application

9

on

Trump's desire

the

this

burden

if

the

to

it

critical

Zoning

Ordinance

12

make

finding

13

exception

14

requirement that,

15

design,

16

that

17

morals

18

The

achieved without

requires
the

the

we

and

I

Town

Council

among

the
to

quote, the

others, the
use

is

welfare

so

and

protected, unquote.
does

not

reveal who

19

club's

20

majority of

21

Beach residents

22

employment

23

identification that at this point of

24

The

25

nondiscrimination with respect to

organizers.

Civic

of

Uses

and proposed to be operated,

application

the

find silent

proposed special

complies with,

be

In this

term.

public health, safety,

will

all

or

points.

that

located

the

long

some

However, any

Special Exception

11

use

be

share

should be

obviously

can

Town

Section 6.
40

a

relieved of

property's annual expenses.

certain

10

be

to

us

While

active members

and those who

in the

that

stating

Town, there

Association welcomes

will
have
is

be

are

the

a

Palm

places

of

no

the

leadership.

concept of

membership

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

 68

1

qualifications,

2

association with

gambling

3

relations

broad range of

4

indigenous

5

believe

6

to

with

a

this

to

that

but

area

the Town

Trump's close

interests

or

Council

Section 9.
63

8

requires quote

9

finding

that

the

the

10

affect the

11

of

12

subject property

13

of

If

know

interest

or

there

to

of this

be

I

16

answered but

17

question

18

control while there

19

stockholding

members?

20

after

not

including sufficiency
and control
of

of

the

conditions

in the

21

beyond

500

shares

question may

think

I

will

in the

club

have been

still

make

the

does Mr. Trump remain essentially in

shares
the

Mr.

a

control.

are

I

will

or

sufficiency

15

some

need

Ordinance

Council to make

Town

and

special

a

we

organizers.

Zoning

ownership

on

ownership

the

not

Florida,

to

has

approval will

public

statements

14

of

and business

people

even

know who will be the club's

7

22

Mr.

given

less

are

What

hands

of

than
is

250

his

other

position

others

go well

half way mark?

Trump has

stated to

23

Association representatives

24

he

25

as
MarLago
a-

envisions will
a

the Civic
that

a

club such

as

insure the preservation of

historic

landmark, both during

fj .
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 69

1

and after his

2

intent,

3

circumstances

4

changes

5

Mr.

6

residence

7

He has

8

idea in favor of

9

wish to revert to

3

should still

we

for

idea of

that he has

us

11

continue

subdivision.

a

12

for these

13

additional comments:

14

The Town's

does

that

are

make

we

interest

likely

could be

critically

16

after time

17

application

18

representatives

was

any financial

19

with

the

following points:

it

in

nor

to

respect
The

failed.
our

is

It

following

affected

20

of

the

to

do.

15

by approval

not

approach.

They inevitably

change.

reasons

single family

a

abandoned that

subdivision

a

for

cause

club and that he

a

Over time circumstances
to

the

and seek
MarLago
a-

told

now

an

understand that

We

were

abandon the

to

such

that certain

recognize

change.

can

with

Even

in circumstances

Trump

10

u

lifetime.

club

particularly

Neither

in the Trump

meeting

with him and his

a

data

if

given

proposed capitalization; estimated

21

annual

22

dues

23

paying stockholding

24

amounts

25

parties'

operating

and the

to

eventual

be

paid

intent

target number of dues

and
to

seasonal

Mr.

and what

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

and expenses; annual

revenue

members;

Trump if that is the

precisely

is

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Area Code (305)5256723

to

be

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 70

1

purchased from

2

applied

3

conditions

of

4

secured

the

5

newspapers report

6

whether there will be passage of

7

club without

8

closure

9

dissolution statement.

to

by

or

Mr.

special exception

13

environmental

14

will

15

owner

16

position

17

substantially

18

at

19

applications.

20

The

If

the

the club

in

in

were

more

Mr.

a

the

a

a

property

subsequent

strong legal

Trump subdivision

in this

testimony

aforementioned

concerns.

Section

9.
60

23

Ordinance

24

quote, primary purpose

25

potential adverse impact

states

issue

unfavorable to the Town than

Association

with the

Finally,

to

rights of subdivision,

second of

Civic

of

changed that

claim

right of

a

favor of the club, the

impact aspects
so

fact

a

the

Trump have

would appear to be in

that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

of

event

To whom does
Mr.

the Town

have been

only

title to

failure, the application is without

12

22

In the

recourse.

recovery?

dealt

and

mortgage of $12,
000;
000,

a

revert? Does

a

be

to

the

MarLago
aproperty

11

least

funds

present holders of instruments

property

to

of

sources

the original purchase; terms

10

21

Trump;

of

site

a

is

to

on

the

plan

Zoning
review's

examine

and

I

for

the adjacent

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
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Area Code (305)5256723

has

area,

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 71

1

neighborhood

2

uses

3

result

4

the

or

in

that

such

designed that they

contribution to

positive

a

insure

sited and

located,

are

and to

town

the

area,

neighborhood and town, unquote.

5

We

understand that the

6

owners

7

traffic, parking, possible

8

landscaping,

all

9

that

share.

10

and others will

deal with such matters

of which

we

also

In

conclusion, given
of

neighboring property

excessive

and

use

are

concerns,

the

critical

concerns

11

importance

12

elements of the present application, the Civic

13

Association urges

14

submissions

15

above

16

commitments with

17

out

18

consideration of

the before mentioned

that

that

there
fair

provide

before

the Council
the

enters

MS. MCINTOSH:

I

21

MR. WEINBERG:

You want

to

answers

into

any

have not been

the

final

to make

sworn

in.

a

statement

swear

everybody

question?

23

MS. MCINTOSH:

A

24

MR. WEINBERG:

Why

25

additional

Club proposal.
MarLago
a-

20

a

be

accountability clearly spelled

Thank you.

or

missing

questions and, where indicated,

19

22

first

as

in and get

it

over

don't

we

with?

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

question.

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 72

1
2

you be kind

3

whether you ask

enough

THE

5

MR. WEINBERG:

has

speak

been

Mrs. McIntosh.

8

MS. MCINTOSH:

9

time

resident

and

Preservation but

11

all of these wonderful

12

never

13

there.

14

will

15

that should be answered.

16

on

17

not

18

what

that.

19

the

have
it

have

You

answer

21

time.

or

They

own

a

big beach
and that
think

I

more

must

have

a

plan

beach like that and

a

think

that

I

am

certain

question for you

at

MS. MCINTOSH:

Thank you.

23

MR. WEINBERG:

Come

24

MR. HEDRICK:

the

long

a

wondering,

for that

plans

22

25

to

should hear

we

is.

MR. WEINBERG:

20

am

they

it. I

use

going

plans they have, they

don't have

it,not

is

Landmark

traffic

cause

statement.

a

McIntosh,

the question I

mention the beach and

certainly

who

I'
m Nadine
I'
m on

must

in

sworn

Thank you.

10

They

make

or

Everybody

7

and be

wi

all.

Swears

sworn.

speak today,

to

stand up

question

a

CLERK:

intends

to

4

6

C7

else who

Anybody

Paul Hedrick.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Ladies
I

work

that

the

appropriate

forward, please.
and

gentlemen,

in Palm Beach.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

they'll

my

name

I'
m

a

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 73

1

native Floridian.

2

and

3

over

from time

4

j

time

have worked

I

lived

in Palm Beach

to

to

feel

compelled

and

endorse this

5

proposal

6

me

7

which has

8

outstanding community like Palm Beach

9

have

a

is

social

11

social

12

ethniticity

the

ethic

no

community

think

I

about this

10

primarily

what

fact that

it

bias.

the

opportunity

ethnic

MR. EBERHARD:

name

I

live here

15

I

just

16

Mr.

17

Council.

I

18

convinced

that whatever he

19

the

20

Palm Beach.

21

restrictions, but

22

and wish him

in Palm Beach

want

make

to

Trump is put

club

is

going
Of

needs

is

in the

24

MR. CUDAHY:

Slope

to

endorse this.
Heinz

a

statement.

a

disadvantage

be

Eberhard.
20 years

here by the

to

going

are

would like to

and

feel

I

good for the

course, there
I

in

ethnic

no

for about

is

to

and

I

am

do with

Town

of

certain
see

it done

good luck.

Thank you.

in

at

an

participate

I

to

club

a

think he made great efforts

23

live

to

bias.

My

is

people

functions where there is
or

appeals

think that

I

club that gives

14

25

for

50 years.
I

13
T,

to

and

My family

My

Trail

name

and

the

I'
m

on

Bill
the

Cudahy.

I

Zoning

j
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 74

1

Commission,

2

know.

3

attention and those present to Section 210

4

Paragraph

5

residential

6

should be terribly,

7

club,

8

residential

district rated AA.

Within

9

residential

zoning districts,

private

I

if

as

just

think members

I

want

to

13.2. Club,

it

zoning

draw

private.

districts

provide living quarters

11

employees only.

12

the

13

is

14

would be open

15

The

that

going

to

night

640, Special Exception

18

not

19

other

this

a

its

be

were

in

bona

a

club may

fide
believe

I

to

are

substantial

in

the club

to

so

it

day.
that

I

think

Subparagraph

C

in

Uses.

injury

That
to

the

are

Section
use

the value

will

of

property in the neighborhood.
I

just

21

the north

22

this.

23

traffic,

can't

visualize

properties,

Imagine
horns

a

band

that

living

up

Woodbridge

going

blowing.

And Subsection
that

we

and

17

25

think this

I

provide residential quarters,

quite apparent

24

will

for

heard

16

20

and

other two violations

cause

Within

Only employees.

we

their

terribly important

10

plans

the Council

quickly

approved,

were

of

out

and down
Road with

there, parties,

God forbid.

G, Subsection G requires

it not result in substantial economic

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 75

1

noise, glare

2

properties

3

district.

4

odor

or

and

impacts

in the

properties generally

So, I hope that you all will keep bearing

5

in mind that

6

residential estate district.

this

is residential AA

7

Thank you.

8

MRS. HARWITZ:

9

adjoining

on

South Ocean.

10

have

heard

11

last

couple of years.

12

deprivation

13

applicant

14

zoning

15

Commission for

16

succeeded

17

he

18

club

can

19

that

everything

of

Harwitz, 2200

Mrs. Rose

lived here

I'
ve

I

for 20 years.

has

With

and I

in

12

was

on

getting

mentioned

succeed under the

the
the

the Zoning

subdivision

a

a

to

according

he could

years

I

for the

compliance,

could have succeeded,

laws

hear

can

Nobody

property.

large

zoning

have
and

legally

law to

getting

a

legally.
The

20

does

21

I

22

of

23

north

24

interest

25

circus

arguments

seem

and damned if

think the
the

focal

south,
of

of

the

this

I

east

people

hearing

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659.4155

he's

damned

whatever
doesn't,

point,
and

people
and

he

be

to

if

it'
s

travel

in

the

if

he

does.

interest

that way every

and west
instead of

if

he

it'
s

making

day

in the
a

every time that this

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 371.
2713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 76

u

1

comes

2

one

3

comply

4

subdivision of

5

go ahead without

6

I

7

the

8

a

9

subdivision

up in the last

few years, consider

thing, because the applicant
with all

think that

problem

of

rules

the

the

traffic
or

to

whether

in the

outside

be
it

He

and

you've got

solved whether

is

club.

a

11

some

12

in order to be

13

property and not to deprive him of it is

14

a

a

control,

there will

no

mistake,

but

it'
s

a

either

In

case, there will

traffic, make

cannot

interest of

10

be

to

with all the rules.

point

traffic

club.

or

complying

focal

willing

either way;

property

a

the

is

public

the

is

chiefly

be

the decision

fair to anyone owning that
make

to

decision either way.

15

MS. SALA:

Good afternoon.

16

Carin Sala.

17

consultant who

has

just

18

beautiful

and

I

19

wholeheartedly

20

MarLago
abecoming

a

21

for the

preservation

22

is

23

not

24

maintenance of this

25

the

town

no

concern

of

other

approved,

is

who

for

is

is

into this

want

to

say that

application

I

of

private club, specifically

alternative.

going

to

national

because

there

If

plan

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

is

landmark? Also, if

damage, they

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

this

keep up

environmental

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

just

name

Preservation

moved

endorse the

interest

really

Historic

I'
m a

My

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 77

1

have

2

and the exterior of this

3

what would be the adverse environmental

that

pledged

they'll maintain the grounds

4

Thank you.

5

MS. HARRISON:

6

I'
m

the

civic

7

Club.

8

ground

9

insist that

affairs

have

I

just

it'
s

to

11

point

12

passage of

13

all the rest of

14

hope they'll

15

a

park

200

of

I'
ve

17

what would

18

owns

19

of

think that

I

so

impact?

Garden
This

concerns.

be of

to

is,

they

any damage

from any

logical

view, the plants, the roots, the

special

on

for the

landmark and

a

going

not

it

as

Edna Harrison.

chairman

couple

a

cars.

is

name

the ground is

10

16

My

building

cars

it and carbon monoxide and

over

it will

look

into

have

the

damage.

some

of

area

I

doing that

case.

also been asked by Miss Rene Wood,

happen

the

to

Woodbridge? That

And the

third

thing

lot which
is
is

a

if

MarLago
a-

concern.

there

is

a

big

20

wall

21

property, the southern prevailing winds would

22

make

23

I

24

25

being put

up

for the

owners

on

the

Woodbridge,

imagine.

MR. WEINBERG:

who

the north side of

on

it difficult

would

in

I

raised their hands

don't
to

see

be

all the people

sworn

in

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955
2499

 78

1

previously.

2

point?

3
4

Are

we

Do you wish

MS. BURDEN:
start

now

or

wait

MR. WEINBERG:

6

MS. BURDEN:

S
9

Burden.

Betsy

Pacetti

You

Good

morning.

I'
m with the

the

Mrs. Loomis

resides

11

you

the northern

I

on

136

at

ahead and

went

plan

14

just

to

15

go ahead and put it up here

16
17

MR. WEINBERG:

the

audience

some

We

Caldwell

of Liliane

Loomis.

Road

as

boundary of Lago.
Mara-

site

illustrate

is

name

We're

enlarged

I'
ll be

My

Woodbridge

13

which

to

attorneys

law firm of

guardianship

10

know

this

okay.

are

here in Palm Beach.

representing

12

the

at

until after lunch?

5

7

silent

remaining

glad

the

show the

to

points

applicant

to

you.

team
Let

my

again.

can, but

don't know if

I

can.

18

Get

closer to the mike, please.

19

MS. BURDEN:

Again,

we

represent

20

Mrs. Liliane

Loomis, the guardianship

21

estate.

property being immediately adjacent

22

to

23

today

24

obviously.

25

Her

on Woodbridge Road.
MarLago
a-

to

I

of

We're

her

here

represent the interest of her estate

have

had

discussions with

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

Mr.

Rampell

REPORTING AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 79

1

about

of

2

as

3

the wall and the hedge which

4

mitigation

5

d like to go ahead
But, for the record today, I'

6

and

7

Again, they may be

8

like

9

briefly.

some

the problems we've

he mentioned

earlier, he has agreed

measures

that

the

just identify

we've

seen.

be corrected but

to

I'
d

togo ahead and go through those just very

We

11

Winston Lee.

12

company in West Palm Beach.

13

was

14

appear before the Key West

15

morning.

have

retained

a

landscape architect,

Winston Lee &

Associates

is

his

Unfortunately,

he

unable to be here today because he had to

I would

17

prepared by

18

give

19

conclude

20

put up

the main

were

problems

able

to

have recommended.

we

10

16

identified and,

a

like

I

Mr. Lee

copy to Miss
in

just

to

City

have
the

Council this

submitted the

staff

Peters

and

for the

the

parking

22

can

see, this

23

parking is going

24

which is

25

see

to

a

to

that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

I

identified

possible problem.

outlined in red is

right here

how close

to

moment.

a

be

like

record when

But, just briefly, Mr. Lee has

21

I'
d

report

As

you

how close

the

be to Mrs. Loomis' property
outlined
is

going

in red.
to

be

to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

So you
the

can

service

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 80

1

access

road

2

travel

and

3

have to travel right

and of

the

all

course

service

of the valet

vehicles, that will all

r

4

The

parking,

5

something

6

adjacent

7

her

to

road

9

hour glass.

11

right

12

be

narrow

Those

13

wider

It'
s

problem

a

and then

gets wider again.

point,

to

so

15

credit, he

has

16

responsive

and the

17

expert

18

mentioned earlier.

19

subject

20

but

21

measure

22

has

23

which

24

boundary

would not be effective

25

It'
s

an

has

to

is

mitigation

not

The wall

Council's

our

that

agreed to,

of

a

berm

come

or

form

a

course

the

the

as

he

would be

hedge,

up with.

something along
in this
his

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

He

mound of dirt

effective way to, in

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

measures

approval,

expert has

another way to

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

Rampell's

only effective mitigation

indicated that
is

say to Mr.

up with he has

the

that

like to

we've

been very cooperative and very

come

the

speak, that may

basically the problems that

would

So

property.

seen, but

I

an

you enter and then it

as

for the Loomis

are

immediately

he describes the

or

14

that

here,

cars

similar to the neck of

as

that choke

at

40

property.

here

right

gets very

there's

report Mr. Lee

8

10

her property there.

like nine there, 12, all

the

In

by

the

case.

opinion,

to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 81

1

mitigate

2

problems.

3

alone

4

the

5

this

6

which
height of 6',

7

the

8

of

9

of course, it would be architecturally

the noise and dust and all the other

is

not

only

also said that

He's

going

be

to

reasonable

sufficient.

effective

solid masonry wall.

could

Town

trees.

He

said

a

is

the

allow, and

also

So, again, subject

the

said

would be

minimum
amount

adjacent

Town

to

he

So

measure

believe

I

just vegetation

that
row

approval

10

acceptable

11

agreed

12

that

included should you go ahead and approve

13

this

application.

14

that,

to

The

the

only

really wouldn't

16

hedge.

17

Woodbridge,

18

Just

be

that

would

we

other

15

19

fact

issues

I

the

traffic

you'll be hearing

more

by

is

that

that

20

traffic

experts this afternoon.

21

In

addition, the drainage.

I

just

23

activities with the parking would not

24

problem

25

the

with

elevation

all

of

any kind of

slopes

over

the

wanted

increased

drainage.
to

know

from the

to

assured that

the

by

on

I

22

be

or

Boulevard.

Ocean

alone,

about

wall

a

see

raise

residents

as

access

concern

like to

wanted to

corrected

only

applicant has

definitely

Obviously traffic,
the

the

I

cause

a

know how

Lake Worth and

I

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 82

I

1

don't believe

2

like to
The

4

lighting

5

applicant

6

lighting that

7

Loomis property..

8

Ideally

10

we

and

want

have understood

I

would

You've

12

neighbors.

13

Mr.

14

neighbor.

15

We

cause

mitigation

for the

problem

a

like to obviously not
but

if

do

they

measures

happen,

included.

heard it said good fences make
feel

We

a

good

like

in the

We

a

good

of

case

wall would make

thank you very much.

consider

from the

increase in the

no

happen,

good

you will

hope

that.

17

Thank you.

18

MR. WEINBERG:

19

be

think we'd

I

these

Trump,

would

I

issue would be the possible

there will

11

16

other

only

the problems

see

but

problem,

a

that addressed.

see

3

9

3

it would be

Do

you want

My

name

this

chart, Miss

Burden?

20

MR. HENNESSY:

21

I'
m with the

22

Caparello, French,

23

MR. WEINBERG:

24

Hennessy that they have

25

telephone

law firm Messer,

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite

Kevin

Hennessy.

Vickers,

Madsen
Are

call messages

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

is

you the Mr. Kevin
been

sending

here? It'
s

& CONSOR REPORTING

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

us

no

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
F. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 83

1

emergency.

2

Go

3

MR. HENNESSY:

a

conclude

5

long,

this.

I'
ll call them right after

It'
s

not

going

to

I

take that

but thank you.

I'
m here

on

behalf of Mrs. Elizabeth Fox.

7

She's

8

as

9

neighbor

that

10

affected

by

11

chart

12

approximately opposite

13

exists

14

because

15

daily

16

with the

17

MarLago
aproperty.

residing

Miss

18

meeting.

ahead.

4

6

07

in

We're

Burden's

here,

here

150

at

client,

is

this

club

The

there

19

by

20

received with

21

these premises.

22

that

23

the

24

what

25

copies

Miss

Fox

they

so

tennis

they

the
to

that

are

was

lack of

what

the

at

to

various

experts

to

to

fact

balls

over

on

at

a

the

voiced to

me

that
on

she

on

indicated

plans

all

comment

weren't

plans provided

a

quite familiar

have

send these

that

courts

going

able to

these

the most

notice

was

The applicants

proposed, yet there

of

be

tennis

were

country
was

these

concern

regard

adjacent

Looking

the activities

that

was

to

again

so

property is located

numerous

and

of

an

know that to be

I

today.

initial

is

proposal.

Mrs. Fox's

impact

this

clearly going

they collect

basis

Woodbridge Road,

over

on

actual

each of

the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 84

1

individual property

2

they

3

told that they had to

4

copy at

5

receive

Woodbridge.

on

letter notice but

a

down

come

they

here

Now,
were

to view a

City Hall.

We're

about

talking

good neighbors

6

walls, well I think that certainly

7

clear discussion with the

8

most

9

appropriate.

10

Aft

did

owners

and

good

clear,

a

adjoining neighbors

affected by this property would have been

Secondly,

the

biggest issue you

11

look at

12

This

13

activity.

It

14

activities

that

15

previously by the applicant

16

been

17

traffic

18

you

19

there

20

will

21

earth.

22

lead you

23

experts who

24

speculation,

25

based

is

this

is

residential

a

activity proposed

be

used.

on

The

and would

absolutely

fact.

no

basing

basis

to

is

their

opinion,

on

Certainly,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

as

such.

The

haven't

comes

here

to

like you to believe that

away from facts, to

on

commercial

example, his

For

applicant

think that that

are

neighborhood.

aren't

proposed with anything
I

to

have been used and suggested

impacts.

is

a

should be compared

appropriately

today

will be

have

compare what
that

to

lead you to

on

opinions
studies

if

on

clearly designed
rely

on

that

they wanted

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

exists

are

not

to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 85

1

show you

2

were

3

the

4

study

5

available, give you

6

numbers.

7

today

8

this would be

9

think that

10

the

going

to

Bath &

occur,

Tennis

the

traffic

they

Club.

could go out and

They

The

hard

reason

and

they

impacts that

could go out and study

of the other clubs

some

is

impacts,

that
fast

haven't

are

comparable
done that

because those numbers would show that
a

it'
s

totally unacceptable use
incumbent upon this

and

Council

I
to

get those hard numbers.

11

The

that

example

one

do have

we

a

12

this

13

incident that occurred at the Round Table

14

discussion is

15

happen

16

be

17

impacts

18

going

19

Woodbridge.

Because

20

be unable

get

21

there

22

noise, they're going

23

noxious

24

to

25

problems that

property they

a

with the

want

you to

of what's

types of

that

proposed for this facility

going

are

hit most

to

to

have

to

they're

to

once

to
to

types of

are

they

on

to

they get

have to deal with the
have

to

to

parking

with all

occur

going

only going

not

their homes,

to

of

the

deal with the
and

they're going

attendant

with commercial

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

these

and who

The

going

are

hard? The residents

from the

deal

and

continue

to

they're going

fumes

ignore.

prime example
uses

of

use

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

property

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

 86

1

such

2

facilities

3

the club.

the waste

as

4

disposal from the kitchen

and other

operations associated with

think that you need to take careful note

I

5

of

the vagueness

6

state

7

and to

8

on

9

assurances

that

they

abide

them

by

by

this

of

this

They

are

very willing to make changes

all

of

the

Council,

that these

restrictions

but where

things

10

to

11

met?

12

received, modifications

13

not

14

be

15

come

16

application

17

off

placed
the

are

actually going

are

be enforced and that these conditions will be

Applications change.

be

surprised
that

approved
in

of

18

the

You

20

example,

21

he's

22

is

23

this

24

It

Once

this

were

changes

some

to

not

arrangement

as

permitted.

reduce

to

financial
can

making

a

study itself

thousand members
that

to

information to

be viable with

to

profit

to

generated.
are

would

that

is

look at the

I

Trump would

he

willing

club

and

are

application

line Mr.

that he says must be
a

approvals

be made

can

down the

because

can

numbers

the

that

and ask for

19

25

application.

needed.
600.

But

indicate

see

the

For

He

says

where
that

members?

only 600

doesn't exist.
In

conclusion,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

I'
d

just like

to

& CONSOR REPORTING

say that

AGENCY, INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

International Place

NationsBank

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 87

1

the

2

clubs

3
4

club

is

not

already existing

will have

adverse

an

being that

impact

adjacent

to

6

impacts

have

7

They'll

be

inconsistent

8

they'll

be

proven

9

Comprehensive Plan

10

use

residential

5

a

several

are

in Palm Beach.

commercial

a

There

necessary.

The

club

to

the

is

being placed

neighborhood,

The traffic

use.

been adequately analyzed.

not

be

to

looking

hard

at

facts,

inconsistent with

and the

the

the Town

Town

requirements.

11

I

think if you

study

the report that's been

12

provided you'll find

13

already present.

14

came

15

overburdened

16

of

the

17

is

overburdened.

18

s overburdened.
present today knows that it'

19

They don't have

20

to

The

those

inconsistencies

are

expert for the applicant

llllrml~
v

and said that Ocean Boulevard

up

in its present

submission it
I

state.

specifically
think

that

not

that

states

a

122

On page

everyone

go out and do

to

is

it

here

traffic

study

do that.

21

I

22

common

23

this

24

and that

25

that will

ask the Council that they not
at

sense

the door either

application
is

a

and realize

tremendous

destroy

the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

it

impact

existing

in

for what
to

their

analyzing

this

it

is

area

residential

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

leave

use

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E-2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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TOWN OF

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SPECIAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING

Thursday May 13,
1:
30 -

1993

4:
15 p.
m.

Volume

II

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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her

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is your

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raise your hands.

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wants

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public,

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say to you

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the Frank

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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trustee

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very outset of the comments

4

make

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Preservation Foundation

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application.

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as

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asked Paul

9

that

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our

12

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representatives

14

very positive

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this

position

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our

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to

of

the Town

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19

support it.

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meets

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we're

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that

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Area Code (305)5256723

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where

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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

have

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speculation

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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support.

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matter

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application

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in the whole

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what

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critical

features

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22

critical

features

should be preserved, both the

23

mansion interior and

24

vegetation,

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acknowledged the importance

is

more

importantly

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he's

he says

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& CONSOR REPORTING

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

and

unique property.

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and
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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

his

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in the United States

recognized

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

recognizes that

probably

world,

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he

important property.

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done

fact of the

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in Palm

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a

it

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

he

does

that

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be

done

that will

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property.

4

you cannot be

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enunciates

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promise you

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application.

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concerns.

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opposed

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we've

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implications, is

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going

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through

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

we

the

to

application

effect of

this

of

real understanding of what's

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca

Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

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constructive.

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questions with

you.

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concerns with you without you drawing the

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conclusion that

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told him that.

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on

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Donald Trump

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social club, but always

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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because

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lot of

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witness who

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parts of the application and share with you his

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expert opinions.

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up

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maintaining Lago.
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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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show

to

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think

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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allowed

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407)3380955

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contract.

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16

pay the expenses.

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17

able to do

18

your business

19

financial well

20

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21

to

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purchase might

23

for

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24

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25

and understand

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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security.

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registration

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proposing

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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515,

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International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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transferred back.

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shareholder.

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18

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

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International Place
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Miami, Florida 33131

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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

contract? And he

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3

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2498 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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shares

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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think you are entitled to

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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members

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

MS. WEINER:

2

it doesn't refer

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MR. CHOPIN:

4

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application

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E, 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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membership.

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membership.

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5th Floor • Comeau

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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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members

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figured

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out.

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8

very different.

9

he going to have? How many

have.

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hope you've

My point is how many people is

people

are

going

10

use

11

yard, golf

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but

big place.

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ability

accommodate

people using those

14

facilities.

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you

a

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you

saw

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think you could have

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destroying it?

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limit.

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don't

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something that, frankly,
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and

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memberships

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people

in the past

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319 Clematis Street
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E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
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2499 Glades Road
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done

and that

2

of

3

the number of people who go to utilize the

4

facilities,

5

the people who have

6

are

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they

8

to

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anything

is

membership,

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the

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walk

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have

as

a

right

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have

me

go to

it considered

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over

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not

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matter

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this

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States.

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people

are

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it'
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nice

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is
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000 people

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S. government
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a

museum

museum

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fact

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it

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

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100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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the Preservation Foundation asks

2

that you

3

is

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the

5

of their utilization.

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concept.

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we've

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capacity

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know what the

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determined.

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some

judgments regarding utilization.

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utilization of the members

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of

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capacity

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reasonable

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example.

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than

to

in this

living
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there

but

can

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you

people who

room

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trying

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make.

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the

capacity of

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legacy,

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crowded that it'

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won't

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over

club

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if

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utilization of

over

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who

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lose

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non-

appeal.

attractiveness.

thing

ask that you do

we

consider and recommend that you do

and

is that you

17

deal with the

question of the definition of

18

membership

as

19

to

talk

about

20

if

it'
s

reasonable to

21

every member three

22

will have the

23

matter

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account

25

member, you're talking about three people.

so

a

to

deal with

people.

certain number

right

people
to

how you define
that you're

assume

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members, but

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

Limitation has

2

on

3

preservation

4

event, big party.

5

But

6

limits

7

nothing

8

legitimate right

9

all

be not

to

the number of

people

issue.

on

the

membership,

but

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use

it. That's

a

know that there

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hear

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it

was

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of those

golf

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private social club.

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limit

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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Lauderdale, Florida 33394
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interior could not and those

2

features.

3

to

4

way

5

needs

6

studied

7

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8

worked

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those

has

said that he will do

nothing

critical

features which would

in any

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them

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think

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it

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realistic

some

think

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be

to

limitation

the property needs
in this

think in that

that Mr. Trump

connection.
needs

10

to

have

11

is

a

12

the numbers.

13

you.

14

limitations

15

limitation.

Not

16

preserve the

property and that is my starting

opportunity

an

should be

only

point

18

with Donald

19

preserve

20

Safety Department. is

21

utilization.

22

are

23

inherent, the safety that

24

crowded

25

lose

I

feel

placed

like we're

Trump when

we

facility.

sight

of the

the

And

fact

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
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Area Code (407)6594155

I'
m

say

want

we

sure

to

ground

common

very concerned

I'
m very

about

on

both

the property, but

concerned

that

on

because you want

17

the

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important
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over

of you

are

inherent

that you

to

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regard

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to

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have

2

to

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with Donald

4

you, with your staff to make

5

what

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reach

over

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do, and

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on

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we'll

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help.

determination of

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and, hopefully,

consensus

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what

if

9

heard this

to

we

can

achieved.

talk to you about something else
me

acknowledged

11

limit

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610, 611.. I think. Mr.

that Fred Harris

membership.

that

acknowledge

morning that Paul in

10

the

be

can

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can.

need

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is

want

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help.

do this.

to

Trump

So what

facility.

capacity

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crowded

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got to

think the number

I

Harris

conclusion based upon his

was

that

to

came

I

review of the traffic

situation.
I

believe that when he

do whatever you tell

17

appropriate

18

regard

19

his

20

unlimited

21

not

22

to

23

there's

24

this

25

number

to

to

to

us

interpret

says we're

what he

number

finding

that

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of

way I

no

plan,

he's

can

members,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
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count

going
but

are

don't
no

it up

I'
m

know how

limits,
instead of

to

agree

to

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think

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s

a

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modified

here -and

it;I just

characterize because there

of

said in that

instead of having this

membership

fault with

to

do, that it would be

understand that he has again

application.

going

much

smaller

not

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International Place
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1

Mr. Harris'

2

capacity.

3

roadways,

4

about

5

the traffic but the internal utilization

6

well.

7

expertise

to

may judge the

He

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surprised

9

the

me

in

another

element.

that

was

it

the

there's

11

special

have been

12

and

13

limit these

14

are

15

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in the

application
special

they going

to

it

to

about

18

property.

19

be?

20

they going

21

them put up any tents.

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22

be? I'
m not

special

23

to

24

Preservation Foundation.

25

the only

one.

to

The

55

are

want

you

live.

those

special

events

going

to

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to

thing they

says
are

was

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going

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don't

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to

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there.
it. It

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anything

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from

Think about

390 people

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opposed

hear

to

for dinner.

seats

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

Area Code (407)6594155

never

long

organization

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

be

about traffic

17

that you

They got

events.

390 people.

Ron Kollins

Where

to

we're

16

as

as

be? Forgetthe traffic.

going. to hear enough

traffic

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little in

so

going

says

events

talk

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not

special

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the

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events.

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discussed

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application

of

So when

terms

of

question

capacity

but not the interior.

members, let's keep

8

the

judge

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was

was

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Miami, Florida 33131
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terrific.

2

purchased

3

go.

4

about

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question

6

and at the

same

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with these

special

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addressed.

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the

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in

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the

and

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there

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offered

Trump

those limits, but
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We'll

time preserve

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and that
in

just

not

talk

11

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with

special

thing.

needs

12

intended here.

13

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14

whether the

15

time that the club

16

the

17

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18

I

19

seven

20

any time during the day

21

at

22

after

6

23

judge

the

24

understanding,

25

regular membership is going

is

days

also

events.

know what's

was

that

in

any fashion addressed

special

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it

nothing

what

know that

with

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events

just

can

facilities

regular membership.

do

be

to

conjunction

don't

I

the

conjunction

regular activities of the club.

conjunction

more

utilize the property

to

events

wanted to

addresses

nothing

ability

after he

us

everybody

limits.

are

it to

occur

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week.

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oversight.

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don't

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by

know.

have special events

know

they

have it at

can

Saturday and Sunday,

on

least that's what the County has said.

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s

o'
clock in the evening, but you have to
utilization factor
it

seems

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
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by

at

least

to me, whether
to

be

entitled to

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Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
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the property.

use

2

I

think you've

3

that you

4

can

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7

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probably

heard

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a

all

of

minutes,

me

if

so

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me.

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issue.

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should hear for

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poem when

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was

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over.

23

but

24

be

25

pledged

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in the mirror

Wonderland.

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in

we

tell

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the best

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is

and

we

should

respond
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think

think that's what

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seriously,

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so

that

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
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Area Code (407)6594155

tempting

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flair

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fight
in

we

we

kind,
have

to

have

think

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 120

1

Paul,

2

exactly

Mr.

Trump, for the

that.

There's been

3

spirit of cooperation

a

4

think

need to continue that

5

get anywhere.

That's

6

Foundation,

I'
m not

we

7

so

there

But

the

going

are

points.

big

case.

issue.

9

into
Converting Lago
Mara-

It'
s

a

10

is

11

patient,

12

I

13

of

14

didn't

15

of

16

much time because

17

minute.

18

some

19

But

20

would

21

application, again,

22

designed

23

application, but because

24

has

25

not looked at.

big deal
to

and

we

if we're

of

pledge

8

a

part, have done

most

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s

It'
s

have

be

to

a

to

a

I

not

an

big

issue.

had to read the
it

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do

prepared

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same

I

to

club

be

know your
so

much

last couple

thing.

spent
staff

came

an

I

awful

an

listen to

him

cause

looked at

expert and

some

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about
not

I

some

lot

didn't

have

in at the

last

That's what we're

have

to

social

have to be patient and try to

results.
we

all.

it. I

on

easy

do the hard work that you have done.

digest

time

to

dramatic.

know what you had to read in the

days.

going

I

the

private
be

and

trying

find
do.

to

do wish that you

aspects

because his

of

the

testimony

is

you to say reject the

things

he

is

that

an

expert and he

some

might be helpful

have

people
to

know

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 338.0955

 121

1

those

2

important,

so

3

David,

you

4

name

5

is, when he's sitting here looking

6

about

to

screw

7

who's

an

expert witness.

8

going

to

call him Dave

9

issues

are

there

are

if

ready?

Come

a

up his

MR. WEINBERG:

11

MR. THEOPHILUS:

12

MR. WEINBERG:

though

14

to

MR. CHOPIN:

the

17

Jobawalkie,

problem.

18

Go

I

from this moment

you been

Have

I'
m
on.

in?

sworn

Yes, sir, I have.

Identify yourself.

to

I

know his

couldn't

that's

ahead,

yourself

20

Even

like

Dave.

MR. THEOPHILUS:

Someone

22

have

23

front of you.

asked would

the

get it

hard

two

That's

name.

not

out.

in

names

Would you

a

row.

introduce

the Town Council.

21

25

Theophilus

got it out.

I

fact

and I'
m

at me

David

name.

The

pressure.

he who doesn't know your name, we'd

16

24

of

this

screw

know it.

15

19

lot

to

going

up, Dave.

on

10

13

I'
m

they're

ask you to listen to

d
can, I'

I

I'
m under

up.

and that

spelling

MR. CHOPIN:

Yes.
I

Theophilus.

please spell

there

I

Dave

in

hope

front

that's

indication that he can't spell

that.

in my

not

his

You

resume

in

an

name.

But

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 122

1

this

is

2

expert.

a

3
4

calling

are

Dave

Will you

Q.
sworn

7

please?

8

an

David Theophilus)

in

A.

506

at

name

your

Yes.

May

is

David

for

been

the record,

Theophilus.

I

live

Jennifer Lane in Windemere, Florida, which is

a

suburb of

11

DMT

12

hospitality consulting

Orlando, Florida.

Hospitality

13

address,

your

name

and you have

state

please

10

Q.

Associates

Are you

I

am

the

which

is

a

of

president

hotel

firm.

the Preservation

being paid by

Foundation?

15

A.

I

16

Q.

We'll

17

hope,

Will

yes.
how you

see

you

please

do.

tell

the Council

18

about your educational background and your

19

qualifications

20

as

BY MR. CHOPIN:

6

14

we

DIRECT (

5

9

and

resume

A.

Yes.

as

an

expert, please.

I

am

a

graduate

of

a

bit

the Cornell School

21

of Hotel Administration and remained at Cornell

22

University

23

then

24

restaurant, country club, apartment hospitality

25

industry.

to

receive my MBA.

Upon graduating

I

have

spent the last 28 years of my life in the hotel,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 SMiami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955
Boca

 123

I

1

was

with

to

just

r

the

cover

major

two

spent five years with the international accounting

2

I

3

and

4

Miami, whose practice

5

hospitality/country

6

Management Services Division involved primarily in

7

feasibility

8

hotels, resorts, apartments, country

9

hospitality

in

consulting firm, Laventhol Horwath based

10

studies

related

club

field.

and

in the

100 percent

was

I

was

in their.

studies

operational

hotel

clubs

of
and

fields.

Upon leaving Laventhol Horwath after five
received my CPA while

11

years

12

a

13

management

14

that

15

Aircoa,

partner of the firm.

firm

in

company

formed my

hotel

own

a

company

by

the

name

of

Aroic
a
.
-

1974 two years

In

17

entitled Richfield Hotel

18

the

19

States

20

operations

21

acquisition

22

in the

and

later Aircoa

Management,

hotel management

largest

Q.

there and became

was

Orlando, Florida in 1972 and

acquired by

was

16

23

then

I

I

is

Inc.

today

They

are

company in the United

spent 16 years with Aircoa in roles from

I

sales

to

and

with that

experience you

25

an

opportunity

have
to

development and
all

particular company,

conjunction

24

to

again

industries.

hospitality
In

marketing

had

with the

in this

work with

28

years

of

industry have you had

and become

familiar with

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 338.0955

 124

1

the various

2

responsible for overseeing hotel restaurant, country

3

club, private social club type activities?

4

A.

Yes, I have.

other

thing

that

5

one

6

specifically

7

as

8

was

involved in the

9

and

marketing

a

who would be

regulatory agencies

how I

relate

hotel to

on

During that

Bath &

Naples

Tennis

Naples,

11

with Arnold Palmer in the Bay Hill Club &

12

Orlando,

13

tenure with

14

there with

for

15

some

for

that

ten

some

company
clubs

private

seven

we

and

and

years

MarLago
a-

did

fair

a

involved

in that

So

amount

of work

country clubs.

17

hand,

18

clubs with Aircoa and with Laventhol &

19

involved in

20

five years

21

operational studies, again with country clubs.

22

in

23

various

24

this.

25

I

all

related to

also did work

of

some

in

40

to

for

50

the

some

club

hospitality topic

five

or

six

work, yes,

I

assignments

regulatory agencies

did work with
that

are

was

that

over

studies

all

to

And

the

involved in

Would you tell the Council the

Q.

at

additional

Horwath

everything from feasibility

this

that

specifically

are

directly

in

Lodge

16

most

I

Club in

was

years.

addition to those two

In

mention

time with Aircoa

10

Florida

to

evolution, development, operation

of the

Florida

also wanted

I

folks may wonder

some

can

private club.

And

at

least

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 125

1

a

2

have

3

club.

4

few

or

of

some

the

supervisory jurisdiction

A.

In

social club, there

5

private

6

agencies

7

topic.

8

Handicapped

9

Q.

what does

10

A.

American

11

Q.

Does

12
13

that take

over

who would

social

private

a

which would include

industry

our

authorities

regulatory

are

number of

a

a

regulatory

great deal of interest in this

a

Those would

include

Code and

starting with the
the ADA Code.

recently

now

the ADA

stand

far?

Disabilities Act.

that

apply

here

in the Town of Palm

Beach?
A.

To my

knowledge,

14

MS. WEINER:

15

THE

Of

16

one

17

such

18

When you

19

to

20

certainly

21

Division of Hotels.

22

rooms

23

the Division of Hotels

24

series

25

there will be

to

this.

as

the

needs

are

are

of

be

addressed in

providing food
the

a

is

going

to

be

liquor

be

to

If

regulations
a

and

in

certainly

facility
is

is

addressed.

facility,

gets involved.
be addressed.

license

It
I

involved,

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

The

fact transient hotel

allowed at this

to

one.

beverage service

Health Department

that has

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

issue

The Health Department

public,
one

it does.

course

That whole

WITNESS:

that

yes.

has

a

assume

so

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 126

1

we're

2

authorities

3

the

4

type?

What

5

liquor

license?

6

police department and

7

previously identified.

8

liquor

state, county

Q.

in Palm Beach that will deal with
license.

Is

each of

these

Yes.

12

Q.

So

Obviously, the fire department,

had hands

others

we

14

certain documents

15

opinion

gave you, did you have
in

about various

A.

Yes, I did.

17

Q.

Would you

18

with

an

assignment

opportunity
for

that

examine

to

forming

an

aspects of this application?

tell the Council

MR. CHOPIN:

And

of

some

19

s
but it'

20

expert qualifications.

21

confirm this.
BY

experience dealing

on

preparation

16

25

that have been

in connection with the

13

24

related to the

regulatory agencies?

A.

23

it available? What

the requirements

are

You've

11

22

whatever

or

BY MR. CHOPIN:

9
10

with the

dealing

necessary to build
I

a

this

is

record

think

Skip

laborious,
as

to

his

will

MR. CHOPIN:

Q.

Would you

in fact examine
A.

I

please

in this

started

connection?

basically

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

tell what records you did

with the application

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 127

nl

1

itself

and then from the

2

plans

3

additional plans

4

correspondence

from staff, reviewed the responses

5

correspondence

from

6

and then

over

7

back

forth

8

same.

and

and

9

which

drawings

To

Q.

and

the

11

been

A.

To

13

Q.

And,

14

that the

15

applicant seeks

16

property?
Yes, I did.

18

Q.

Do

20
21

A.

documents

22

23

Q.
it

you have

an

that

is

24

A.

25

knowledge,

an

from

not

Would you

untrue

to

staff

an

and

array of

responding

to

had

part the application?

as

knowledge,

that
on

yes.

review, did you

page

opinion

note

145 that the

whether

the

to

that's

a

statement?

believe

I

quite

physical change whatever

A.

and accurate

of

said

application

17,

true

some

all

documents, then, that you

part

no

of

set

of your knowledge, you've

the best of my
as

a

amended with

Reviewed

hours

presented for review

12

19

24

between

best

examined all of the

was

staff, reviewed the amendments

last

10

later

were

drawings.

again

the

application

a

subsequent
true

review of

the

statement.

explain that, please,

what makes

statement?

Well,

I

believe,

that

I

identified at least three

to

the best of my

specific

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 128

1

changes

2

entire

3

sprinkler system

4

whole

5

that

facility;

spa

of

issue

Let

Q.

the

issue

and

show you

show you

6

can.

7

of the Palm Beach Post.

8

living

9

seen

and

room

these

second

and the

parking
me

Let me

dining

pictures
Yes,

11

Q.

Had

12

pictures?

13

A.

Yes,

14,

Q.

You mentioned

15

A.

Right.

16

Q.

And it'
s

being the

one

roadways.

picture

now,

David,

the

if

the

is

a

room

at

You've
MarLago.
a-

picture

I

courtesy

It

of

have.

I

opportunity

an

examine these

to

have.

I

sprinklers

have to be added to these

18

into

a

that

acknowledged

17

if

rooms

second

ago.

sprinklers

it'
s

will

converted

a private social club?

A.

It

was

that

acknowledged

they plan

to

do

so, yes.

21
22

third

before?

A.

20

being the

one

internal
a

the

being

picture through

a

10

19

One

being proposed.

are

Were

Q.
to

how the

23

A.

there any details

24

said

25,

it would be

I

would be

sprinkler system
Well,

the

plan

and

believe the quote
a, quote, well

given with respect
installed?

the submission basically
from the

concealed

engineer
state

stated

of the art

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 129

1

system

the

was

2

that

plan

has

MR. ILYINSKY:

of

State

3

That's

Florida.

MR. CHOPIN:

4
5

controlled

6

the

7

There's

8

system in.

by

controlled

things,

but

is

I'
m not

beating

9

MS. WEINER:

You

are

10

MR. CHOPIN:

Got

to

the

is

ceilings,

features.

you have to put

question

it

the

critical

are

the

by

interrupt.

think the point

I

floors, the walls
no

submitted.

hate to

I

lot of

a

been

sprinkler

a

horse.
the

beating

put it in.

horse.
The

11

landmark

rooms

12

going

do that is

13

should take

14

stop them,.only that you should know.

15

answer

16

according

17

would be

18

wouldn't want to have happen and neither would

19

we.

20

to

21

want

22

BY MR. CHOPIN:

23

Q.

be

to

into

something

account.

code.

to

Just

Let

Not

lot

of

we

and how they're
think you

that you

that you

things

to

dwell

me

on

it,but

ask you

one

we

to

be, in your opinion

25

an

easy matter to conceal these

and

it

code, it

are

along.

I

going
don't

will.

question.

24

The

really

the point that in fact there
Let me move

should

deal with

was

Well, according

changes made.
to

rooms

in the materials

given

a

special

are

Is

it

going

you've worked with this,

sprinkler systems

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 130

1

without destroying the interiors

2

A.

No.

3

preservation

4

the walls

5

going

6

effect

7

maintain

8

9

to

issue where you

of those

rooms

sprinkler,

at

rooms?

have

look at the

and you

state

that you're

would be very concerned the

I

what you

on

are

to

trying

me

move

also

on

to

different type of

a

matter.

They

10

It'
s

designated

11

designated

12

drawings,

13

with respect to how they're going to address

14

installation of that

not

as

a

acknowledge constructing
nor

critical

A.

No.

16

Q.

Is

it

that it could have

18

critical

features

19

critical

features?

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

There's

22

done?

an

think

we

it

feature, but

needs
are

no

A.

No, there's

24

Q.

Is

spa.
be

to

there

any

details

the

in the basement?

that

effect

if

it'
s not done
other elements

on

the
of MarLago,
a-

23

it

spa

possible

17

Mr.

do

a

plans, any specifications, any

any

15

25

and

ceilings

MarLago.
a-

Let

Q.

these

would be very concerned from the

I

it will

of

detail

to

rooms

right
of

which

know how that

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are

might

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possible

for the

Lawrence, the engineers

to

architects,

submit those

plans

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

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100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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that

the

Council would have

2

preservation

3

when the

of

an

be maintained

property would

this

spa has been installed?

4

A.

Yes.

5

Q.

Okay.

until you get that,

But

6

position

to

7

critical

features?

affect

tell what

8

A.

No.

9

Q.

Okay.

it

that

been

11

changing construction elements

12

critical

acknowledged

features

A.

believe

I

the

to

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be

to

to

you

required;

to the
MarLago
a-

exterior,

interior?

the

to

mentioned earlier

and

think

I

exposure

the group needs to be aware of

15

to

16

facility

17

deal with the

18

with what

19

chair.

20

get from parking into the facility? Can they get

21

there

22

the

23

they

24

particular

25

levels,

issue

of

handicap

where we're

Where

the

to

are

a

and

and ADA.

to

comes

a

how do

an

in

any

we

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need to

need to deal

in in

park?

they open

a

wheel

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they

the door? Is

through?

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ground level

and upper

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

Area Code (407) 6594155

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

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facility,

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today

someone

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are

when

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serving the public

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on

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the

in

that have not

areas

going

are

are

might have

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10

13

idea how the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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needs

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they handicapped

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railings,

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all

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Dealing with the Handicapped Code

be

to

of

addressed, when they're
there bathrooms.

are

the

facilities,

11

as

12

certainly

13

not

14

in them

and down stair

fountains

drinking
have

in the

be

to

and all

are

There's

16

could

17

significant modifications

18

features?

19

A.

question

no

they

affect

three

so

on,

they get

to

dining

to

as

and

levels?

public telephones,

of

these

issues

that

and

were

point

some

to

going

have

in the

21

would

certainly

22

group

certainly,

23

to what

24

on

building,

about it. But, in your opinion,

the

critical

the critical

can't

s
say it'
I

the

impact

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to

features

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of

by requiring

those

would

definitively
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critical

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to

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consideration that

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look

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as

and ADA may have

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there any details

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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be done.

to

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20

Q.

Are

plans.

15

25

do

How

to

addressed at

These things

Q.

stalls

as

on

as

they?

are

ways?

bathrooms,

to

as

first

they have

far

as

public spaces, again

10

to

accessible? Do

areas

up

Where

the

on

in the

plans

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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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that have been submitted that would

1

specifications

2

allow you to get any idea at all

3

contemplated?

4

A.

No, there

5

Q.

Those will

6

time?

7

A.

not.

have

to

submitted at

be

some

Yes.

8

9

are

what's

to

as

And

MR. CHOPIN:

anybody

here

in the Town of

think you

enforced

not

they're

by

Beach, by the

Palm

confirm that because

I

10

way.

11

confirmed that.

12

by anybody

13

another issue that's unrelated, but, Mr. Moore,

14

I

I

think

can

ADA standards

in the

of

Palm Beach.

Point

of

enforced
That's

clarification

16

benefit of the elected officials.

17

law and Mr.

18

as

19

statute.

20

Department.

21

Mr.

22

to

23

Town

24

enforce the ADA.

25

through the architect

well

Randolph will

that's
It'
s

comply

could

promulgated.

enforceable

The

Jakubiak,

of

not

can

MR. MOORE:

15

Town

are

for

Town
its

has

by
an

ADA

portion

with the American

The ADA is

speak

It'
s

the

and

for the

a

to

a

it

federal

Justice

coordinator,

responsibility

Disabilities

Act.

Palm Beach Building Department would not
The enforcement
and the

of that

property

is

owner.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

Responsibility

2

or

3

Department

4

Handicapped

5

Beach's

is

her architect.
of

and his

owner

553 of the state

statutes,

Community Affairs Florida

law is

enforced

the

by

Palm

Town

Building Department.

MR. CHOPIN:

6

the property

on

Just

called Bob Moore

7

it

8

Dave

9

enforced it and I think I

I

up.

you don't think

so

Zimmerman two

yesterday.

fairly represented

10

what you told me, Bob and Dave, in terms

11

enforcement.

12

ultimate

13

rely

14

what's

15

that

16

that.

on

the

one

Florida's

19

through

in the

me

you

architect that

Building Department

For

ADA,

the

of

Department
I'
m

over

saw

for the State of

not

laws.

Handicapped

MR. CHOPIN:

553

is

enforced
Affairs.

Community

speaking

of ADA

specifically.

22

MR. MOORE:

23

owner

24

for

25

also told

You

certification of the

MR. MOORE:

20

Justice Department has

responsibility.

18

21

know the

of the

in the plans meet those requirements, but

no

17

I

called

I

asked who

I

days ago.

made

I

and his

the

or

Yeah.
her

That's

architect

certification of

MR. CHOPIN:

Again,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

correct.
are

responsible.

the ADA.
I

just

don't want

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to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

belabor

2

s
it,but it'

MS. WEINER:

stuff

realistic

3

Can we

MR. CHOPIN:

5

MR. WEINBERG:

Let

Q.
bedroom.

9

You mentioned

like

to.

like

picture of

the Division

among members

MR. CHOPIN:

head

13

to

14

and to

address

15

Hotels

and what

more

I

the

MS. SMITH:

will

but

quickly

be taken here if

16

to.

Mr.

Trump's

of Hotels.
of

Council

by

I

try

can

ask Dave

question

of

they're likely

Speak

bring this

think there's

do

I

to

into the

the
to

to

a

point

a

to move

on

Division

of

do.

microphone.

BY MR. CHOPIN:

18

Could you address,

Q.

19

at

20

rented

21

members

least

22

25

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d

We would

show you

me

12

24

some

themselves; inaudible.)

11

23

Yeah,

Discussion

10

17

with

on

BY MR. CHOPIN:

7

8

get

here?

4

6

issue.

an

there's

a

please, this proposal

part of the proposal that

rooms

out, that the bedrooms be made available
and their

or

be

to

guests.

MS. SMITH:

Louder.

BY MR. CHOPIN:

Q.

Rooms

to

be rented to members

and their

guests, is that something which is going to be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

the

regulated by

2

A.

Yes.

3

Q.

Are

4

perhaps

they likely

Well,

6

these

rooms

7

which

as

8

it'
s

9

allowed

are

the

being rented

not, and obviously

or

10

don't

11

a

12

they'll

13

Again,

14

conjunction

15

have to be

16

one

17

handicapped.

18

have proper

19

go

to

plan

that

comment

they

20

it will

I'
m not

in transient

be

and

qualified

handicapped
room

Doors,

access, have

rooms,

regulations.

they

in

so

they'll

be

at

least

for the

specifically
are

to

for

assuming

hotel

handicapped, the ADA,

with

and

proposed

was

go back, the Division of Hotels works

handicapped

in the

plan,

that issue, but

on

are

transient basis,

a

under the Division of Hotel

come

to

Town?

to whether

as

that

concern

some

Hotels, again if

on

from the

under discussion

moment

raise

to

Division of

understand

I

Hotels?

already raised by the

was

A.

5

Division of

wide

enough?

locking system? Peep holes,

so

Do

you

on

as

you

rooms.

One

of

the

real

issues

21

germane to the Preservation

22

this

23

materials when you go

24

space.

25

the

Council

is

When you

the whole

look

at

tapestries, you look

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

an

think

the

very

fire retardant

rooms

and you

drapes, you

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is

overnight sleeping

these
at

of

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and should be to

Society

issue

into

that

look at
look

at

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca

Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

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a

1

the

2

excuse

3

the

4

in Division of Hotels

5

deal with the

6

issue to

7

absolutely going

8

again

9

Division of Hotels

carpets, you look at the fixtures
the

me

finishes

fabric

in those

smoke

which

is

12

these

rooms

13

residential

14

Q.

Are

to

have been

17

have

18

a

19

lot

20

does

specific

to

of

and Fire

Department issues that

materials, that is
accommodation

have

be

to

addressed.

is

extremely

been used

an

that

is

have

You

and the

concerned

about

the

accommodations

overnight sleeping

have

issue

than the way

in the past

as, in

fact,

a

facility.
the

fabrics

know.

acknowledged
room

in these

rooms

acknowledged

fire rated?

don't

I

been

clearly

entirely different

an

A.

and there is very

detectors, sprinkler systems

11

16

look at

overnight sleeping

an

public safety

not

rooms

chairs

chairs

and you

fire retardant

10

15

the

on

the

on

but

I

not

certainly
be.

to

I

know that
can't

some

for

speak

certainly by the age alone,

of

a

of this material, I would guess, it certainly
not

21

Q.

22

wooden

23

floor?

meet

So

floors

current
as

as

fire

retardant

bottom line

well

codes.

this would apply to

sleeping quarters

24

A.

Certainly would be

25

Q.

So

the.
Department

an

of

on

the

second

issue.
Hotels

could

require

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

that these

rooms

2

thrown out

so

3

A.

be

completely redone,
could be used

they

They certainly

to

fabrics

purpose?

ask.

As

is

issue

far

as

4

this

5

that you would want

6

of Hotels

7

for

8

if,in fact,

9

which is very different than the bedroom in your and

10

group is concerned, it

for that

going

are

the

all

of

these materials

they

now

are

an

the

Division

position

is

that

in these

are

transient

going

be

to

rooms

overnight

rooms

my house.

11

If

Q.

they

12

there would be

13

fire

no

not

were

used

in

a

transient type

requirement that they

these

meet

safetyrequirement?

14

A.

Correct.

15

Q.

Is

16

of

17

safety

the

this

a

responsible

State, in your opinion,

reaction
to

require

on

the part

the

fire

standard?

18

A.

Yes.

19

Q.

It

20

A.

Yes.

21

Q.

I

22

don't want

23

their

talk to

to

someone

what

to

as

certainly

does

just
this

How

apply

want
to

to wood

on, Dave, because

to move

take

floors?

any longer than it needs to.

about the

I

think you mentioned

24

Health Department, because

there would be

25

served, beverages served.

Are

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

I

NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

food

they going impose

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the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 139

1

requirements

as

well?

2

A.

Yes.

3

Q.

Could you quickly tell the Council what

4

effect that may have

5

interior of the

6

A.

public

service of

8

you this

9

dealing

as

soon

food and

from 28 years

structure, exterior and

itself?

structure

Well, again,

7

the

on

as

Department

11

And

12

the truck

this

on

in the business

issue

deal with

they'll

loading

and

doing about garbage;

is

a

tell

can

you're

major, major

preparation

areas,

are

and

systems.

18

traps and all of the issues in

19

again that

20

very different

21

when you're

22

and

are

coming

going

to

to

go

do

tables, which

floor

drains, grease

kitchen

a

design,

for residential purpose ,

issue

you

fire prevention

literally

done

was

you

steam

hoods,

17

They

are

you going to do about

are

overhead hoods

they require

dock and what

receiving

what

issue.

from when you start

everything

storage of various kinds, what

23

and I

beverage

with the Health Department and the Health

10

about

in the

are

you

in the Health

is

a

Department's mind

the commercial

service

of

food

beverage.
Q.

Two

plans

that would tell

24

the

25

modifications

quick questions.

you

that would have

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Is

the
to

there
extent

of

be made

to

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the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 140

to comply with these requirements?
MarLago
aA.

No.

Q.

Could it then therefore have

acknowledged

what's

be

to

A.

It

could be.

Q.

Is

it

Health
would

possible

Department

require

so

for

critical

to

A.

Yes.

Q.

You mentioned you

studies

as

submit the

could be

on

features?

their comments

that

effect

an

plans

the

to

to what

as

they

determined?

had done

feasibility

part of your 28 years of experience, is

a

that correct?
A.

Correct.

Q.

Have

you done any feasibility studies

before the conversion of
before

you

the

typically

would do

of

properties,

Yes.

Q.

Is

A.

Yes.

Q.

Why

A.

Basically

you

are

moment

the

viability

for

endeavor

a

it

is

do

a

that when

there

feasibility study?

a

looking

market

is that market? Are the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

or

customary to do so?

do you

whereby

is

clubs

feasibility study?

a

A.

called

What

acquisition

into

properties

at

of

a

for

the

project
the

facilities

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what's
or

an

product.

in demand?

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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What

can

2

What

facilities

3

what

are

4

it

5

seeing

6

what

7

expenses, what

8

the

9
10

for?
a

are

be

they

the

sold

Ultimately,
economic

as

pay what?
the

you sell

can

mentioned earlier

was

the costs, what

to
are

doing this? What

of

viability
are

the

the

is the economic

today,

e.,
project, i.

income, what is the

feasibility

of doing

project?
there

Was

Q.

feasibility study

a

which was

a

part of the application?
No.

12

Q.

Have you

13

property?

14

A.

No.

15

Q.

Have you

done

a

done

any

feasibility study

preliminary

this

on

review with

respect to the feasibility of the property?

Well,

A.

18

documents that

19

obviously

20

of

costs

A.

17

going

should be there? what

11

16

for? Who's

Q.

I

all

I

Let

me

have

I

have

just
and

ask you

to

22

something like 1,
200 people

23

serving 50

24

thoughts

25

viable

assume

that there's

600 members which may translate

dinners
to

a

night.

and

a

limitation

to

be

into
on

Would you have any

how attractive that might be

might be

That's

do.

can

approximately

it

reviewed the

information I have.

21

as

I'
ve

able to

serve

only

or

how

that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 142

1

relatively

2

A.

few number of
It would be

to

4

those numbers

5

the

6

place

7

the

8

heard, certainly

9

room

and, of

numbers.
far

as

lowest

As

we

to me

concern

a

with that kind of

if

3

if

m not
course, I'

said,

it'
s

raise

11

that

12

its

a

number

heard

I'
ve

50

75

to

been

and

here to define

all

over

the

the

service the members

to

being

marketed to.

Q.

Have you taken

a

clubs

15

consistent with their rate

16

facility?

17

A.

Yes, I have.

18

Q.

Let

to

area

show you

me

a

dining

viability
or

people

of
that

look at any of the other

determine

14

in

heard, would

I'
ve
to

as

number I'
ve

highest
available

seats

in my mind

question

in this

as

people and bodies, but if you take

as

facility

personally

you're dealing with

in relation to the numbers

10

13

people?

of

whether that would be

utilization of

their

this chart, which I'
ll put

19

up here and you

20

the

21

Sailfish Club and Lago.
I would ask you, if
Mara-

22

you

23

of

24

restrictions

25

County

Palm Beach

could,
the

if

can

on

the

screen, which

lists

Country Club, Bath & Tennis Club,

you

facilities

at

see

that

can

comment

on

that would be
have

already

MarLago
acompared

the

utilization rate

permissible
been

under

imposed by

with other

clubs

the

the

and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 143

1

the utilization of

2

All

A.

we

facilities?

their

did

to

was

the

take

clubs, which is what

the

numbers

did

I

3

each of

4

with Laventhol & Horwath,

5

membership,

6

case, how many

lunches

7

dinners

serve? And relate that

8

membership

9

mentioned earlier.

what

do you

to

as

have

they

and,

back to

with out

And,

11

to

12

that

13

clubs

14

of ten to

15

some

16

22

17

the

18

don't

19

you

20

1,
200, 1,
500

21

utilization of Lago
Maragoes

22

percent compared

23

neighborhood

of

24

say to

a

25

I

it raised

a

when

concern

in my

concern

in

you're dealing

to

high of

percent

to

25. percent.

numbers

that

know the

see, you

me

would

as

excuse

a

heard bantered

solution.
see

we

to

10

neighborhood

for

about
a

12

because

moment

of

I

using,

based
MarLago
a-

from two

competition
to

consultant

certainly

low of

as

on

any case, the percentage

In

the
to

But

did

2,
500.

or

a

low

a

I put down
Again, with MarLago,
a-

I

can

in the

see

competing

from

me

of

high

said

I

mind, you will

utilization range of

a

all

going through

for lunch and dinner at each of the

ten

the

utilization factor that Frank

a

the detail of the numbers, the

a

in this

serve? How many

do you

10

Frank

living

them their

asking

facilities

for

from

25

doing

raise the

to

four

in the

percent, which would
a

feasibility study,

question

as

to

are

do

i1llk

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E, 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S•
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 144

you have sufficient facilities to service the

membership that you

have?

Would that

Q._

have

affect

an

in Lago
as
Mara-

market memberships

the

on

a

ability

to

private social

club?
A.

Yes.

Q.

Because

utilize

the

the members

facility nearly

wouldn't be able to

as

frequently

members

as

of other clubs?
It would

A.

low utilization

that

factor

of you,

one

any

certainly
for

a

or

three percent of

facility

to

get

Is

members

it

the

to

A.

They

Q.

If

members

it

with that

concern

member, for myself

or

to

the

going

could get into the

us

facility

and, yes, that would be

Q.

a

that, in fact, what it is saying is

two

dinner

be

to

be

to

a

have

lunch

or

concern.

the

ability

to

attract

club

were

could it have

unable
an

to

affect

attract
on

its

and

sustain

continued

viability?
A.

Yes.

Q.

Is

there

anything

indicate to you what would
maintain

J`

an

in the

happen

adequate membership

plans that
if

would

you could not

in order

to

be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 145

1

viable?

2

A.

No.

3

Q.

Let me

4

area

5

that's

6

effects

7

talked about..

to

comment

ask you

just
on

the

that you have heard

8

A.

Special

events

9

Q.

Special

events.

Is

11

requirements

12

A.

there

I

of

area

and

the

read

about, heard

special considerations, special
to

think all

special
the

events

that

areas

with you earlier about, from

14

code

15

a

16

where those

17

they're going

18

how

19

how you

are

20

people,

so

21

events

22

identified that have not been addressed.

23

event.

390

Doesn't

seats

going
there

me

spoke
health

to

seats

tell you

or

I

have

no

idea how

are.

I

have

for
idea

no

get food service for 390 people;

to

do deal with rest
a

number of

related

ask you

24

I

25

do you remember this

more

aerial

morning

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

issues

agencies

one

don't know where Paul's

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

I

to

are

from these

Let

usage?

get food production for 390 people;

to

they're going

Q.

handicapped

whatever, in here they mention 350

special

and

special

13

to

general

you mean?

with respect

Yes.

other

one

facility's requirement

in the whole general

10

in

that

on

390

special

that we've

question

if

photographs
he

showed

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

for

rooms

I

can.

are, but

everybody

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 146

1

what Lago
looked
Mara-

2

private

3

a

private

Correct.

5

Q.

And

6

A.

Correct.

7

Q.

Do you

it

it became

looked like

after

a

it became

the

was

same

think he

picture?

should take

another

picture?

9

A.

I

10

Q.

From

changes

as

think

certainly

the

outside

A.

Yes.

13

Q.

Oh,

there

made

15

should

16

there will

17

A.

Yes, sir.

18

Q.

And there's

You're
MarLago.
acause

be

them to

well.

as

not

are

going

suggesting

to

that

be

they

deny application, only that

changes?

19

would

allow this

20

those

changes

A.

inside

there could well be

changes that

are

14

to

from the

well?

12

21

before

club?

A.

11

9

club and what it

4

8

like

Correct.

nothing

in the

application

that

Council to determine the extent of

that will

be made?

Correct.

22

MR. CHOPIN:

23

Paul,

24

want

25

finished.

to

I

will

ask him

I

don't

keep

some

have

Dave

anything

available

questions when

I

else.

if

you

get

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 147

MR. RANDOLPH:

1

2

Yeah.

anyhow.

a

recess

MR. WEINBERG:

6

Has

and the other council

8

Reconvene

9

Mr.

at

I

so

12

behavior.

can

I

MS. WEINER:

Don't

15

MR. CHOPIN:

I'
ll

know that

18

and

19

on

20

that

21

qualified

I

got

and

I

I

22

Mayor

our

here.

were

some

You

to

in many
sense

make
to

in

Try

you

there's

not

to

be.

to

be

shy.

not

what you

seconds

vote

my best

on

listened

just

knew

already

that you wanted

ten

tell you

be

a

the mike.

shy.

cases

don't know, but

can

to

going

be

have

doesn't

do my best

listening

things

he

Speak into

14

were

seen

anyone

I'
m

MR. WEINBERG:

to

taken.)

was

person? They

13

17

break

a

break.

guess

ahead.

go

I

to

Chopin.

11

16

court

this moment.

MR. CHOPIN:

10

going

are

Ten minute

Thereupon,

5

7

We

The

me.

the paper.

change

to

MR. WEINBERG:

3
4

needs

reporter

Excuse

a

and

to

me

point
I'
m

move

here

not

myself.

got the application and you heard we're
there.

23

not

24

We're

25

But, when you get right down into it,they're

going
not

to

change anything.

going

to

change

It'
s

it. Can you

hear me?

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394

Area Code (407) 6594155

Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd

Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 148

1

going

to

2

don't

know what

3

could.

4

change.

5

let's

6

shouldn't

7

don't know.

8

Let me

9

change

whole

a

they're going

don't know what

You

So

we

to

doing.

approve it,but

things.

They

change.

They

they're going

when talk about

know what we're

preservation,
Doesn't

let's

talk to you

about

a

couple

other

11

the

oppose and that's

12

there

13

them.

plan that

we

first

is

15

we're

16

been

17

we've

18

without

19

He's

20

meets

21

special exception

22

property

23

But

all

asking
over

got

got

zoning

the

24

have

25

and what

in

right

a

reasons

the

for

a

the

a

it

do what

to

variance.
to

a

to

oppose

says

And Paul's

we

want

to

well, he

do

doesn't.

If he

special exception.
he's

use

defines

of you

says very

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

we

also

variance.

And

a

right

RAA

zoned

got

this

to

a

private club.
code

front

why

parts of

one.

application

requirements,

as

were

town; he's been here and he says

right

a

a

told you there

couple of

a

not

we

all, the living
I

The

you

And

accommodations.

14

mean

know.

10

are

to

That's the point.

First of

things.

bunch of

a

Section

club.

private
210

specifically

is

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

of

out

You

the

what

code
a

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 149

1

private club

2

accessory

3

a

4

which not

5

to

say not

6

to

be

7

morning.

8

you cannot

9

but your

is

and
that

uses

club.

private

be

can

the most

even

able to twist.

clever

I

11

out

residential

a

And

12

variance.

13

s
variance and it'

14

the

15

We

16

areas.

they

fact

The

fact

is
is

also

going

that
it'
s

is

for

anybody

to

right

to

rent

zoning

a

clearly

clear

district

asking you

are

with the

application
The

rooms.

is

lawyer

provide living quarters

approve this

going

was

heard it twisted this

I

says within

employees.

part of

a

something

says

take that back.

even

It

considered

it also

But

10

17

acknowledges certain

it

that

zoning

a

it

is

in

not

interest of the Town that that be allowed.

ought

not

have hotels

to

in residential

But, you know, very tedious testimony also

18

made another point which also addresses very

19

specifically why

20

part of the application.

21

you

were

to

do

22

Division

of

Hotels

23

are

not

24

are

magnificent,

25

which they

going

they

so

to

are.

and

approve that

And that

have
the

to

got

to

be

It'
s

is

kept
going

of

same

the

Hotels

way in

be

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

if

bedrooms, which

in the
to

that

go to

Division

allow for these

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

should not

you

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

 150

1

selfdefeating.

2

They have got

3

fire

4

comments.

5

it may

6

not

7

this

is

8

this

place

9

same

time

They have got wooden floors.

fabrics

in the

destroy

11

going

12

are.

to

put in fire sprinklers

Mr. Lawrence

bedrooms.

into

hotel

a

and

selfdefeating

the

be able to be

because

it'
s

going

the

same

not

they're
which

they

25 clubs

to

you.

16

private social club.

17

goes

18

rooms, but you know where

19

York.

there.
He's

What

He

thinks

is, it

it

it'
s

a

been there.

never

it

The

rents

is? It'
s

What's

21

doesn't say what

22

customarily, okay.

23

other clubs

24

it have

25

Club? No.

an

in the

accessory

Well,
area.

guest rooms?
The

No.

use

let's

is.

in New

The Beach Club.

NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

says

Does

Palm Beach Country

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

It

It

look at the

Sailfish Club? No.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

He

out

accessory use? You look around.

20

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

because

to

accessory

Yale Club.

Princeton.

the

at

an

15

stayed

turn

it'
s

use.

I

to

also

kept

And Paul read off

that

it'
s

themselves

rooms

it'
s

simple

s going
zoning variance, it'

a

14

to

real

it'
s

So

Well, you heard, well,

13

areas, but

in the public

mitigate

from before the

are

raised these in his

Mr. Packerman

code.

10

that

The

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 151

Everglades

MarLago,
athey want

Club? Yes.

the zoning

it. What's

on

find it'
s

If you check

you'll

check

find that CWA

you'll

If you also

CWA.

specifically,

for members' living

allows

specifically

Everglades Club?

the

accommodation within that zoning classification.
It'
s

restrict it in
So

it'
s

a

out

to make

an

private

social

rooms.

They

it

It'
s

strongly

precedent.

bad

to

application
club

won't

anyway.

idea.

bad,

a

But

the

part of

preservation

up

It'
s

that

thought

I

not

a

opposed
good

a

that

application

do

we

good

I

until
But

MR. CHOPIN:

Not

me.

a

I

told

am

know

me

I

I

was

better than

was.

dying

not

didn't

I

Paul

I'
m

morning?

thing and that's

other

MS. WEINER:

this

it'
s

is

easements.

this morning.

the best

maybe

into

the

out

be

want

oppose.

really

was

know,

people

rent

can

fact

Let me mention one

these

15

and we'll

qualify
the

You

their home

turn

they

so

is

does

zoning.

here I must have had

walking

to

residential

a

this

All

zoning.

commercial

a

He

to

You

held up

preservation

a

say something.
know what

he

held

facade easement.

easement.

I

did draft

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407) 338-

 152

1

it and it

is

2

different.

3

preservation

4

of

5

there's

6

this

let

But

of

Donald

about

9

guarantee that,

Trump

of which

in

fact, if

11

that

12

to

13

original

14

a

15

talked about other mechanisms

16

credit he

came

around and he

17

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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Area Code (305) 5256723

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International Place
100 S.
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Miami, Florida 33131
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International Place
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Miami, Florida 33131
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2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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International Place
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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

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5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 371-2713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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letter that

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407)659-

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407)338-

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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financial

burden,

a

to

a

They told
have

to

of

this

point

10

application and, regardless

11

circumstances, his ability, lack of ability,

12

desire, lack

13

he willingly bought and knew would be expensive

14

to maintain, because Mr. Trump is

15

fool

16

getting

17

issue

18

town

19

deny this application.

20

Skip Randolph,

21

he

22

tell

and

I

desire

to

Trump's

maintain the property

anything

but

have to believe he knew what he

was

into when he

bought it,that

this

Council

who

we

with what

has

the

full

And you

all
I'
m

is

not

a

an

And you have this

for you to consider.

differs

23

of

of Mr.

discretion to

have

a

lawyer,

know and respect.

going

to

If

say, he will

you.
Mr.

24

facie

25

Town's

Trump has the burden of making

case

of

meeting

ordinance

the

zoning

requirements

codes

a

prima

and

but then you have

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5266723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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look at the record

1

to

2

think he hasn't met those standards, you have

3

every right to say,

4

you have the

5

absolute obligation to say it. So do not

6

believe

7

right

8

you to consider what he wants to do.

9

E

for

to

right

as

say

instant

one

anything

whole

and if you

and, in deed,

no

to

a

it,you have the

that Mr. Trump has

whether

regard

10

his

application and the record he has made

11

the

standards

12

meet

13

Comprehensive

14

today

15

in

16

requirements.

17

conformity

18

and, in deed,

19

common

the

set

policies

that

in your

Zoning Code;

going

to

show you

application violates and

Zoning

violates

It

is

not

Code

and is

not

in

with your Comprehensive Plan
to

meet

forth in your

set

with your

conformity

20

forth

Plan and I'
m

his

a

other than the right to ask

need to consider in this

We

only do

not

policies

you think otherwise, violates

sense.

Let

begin

me

with the

Comprehensive Plan of

21

the

22

literally

go

23

that

plan

in relation to this

24

will

spare

25

point by

of Palm Beach, your

Town

on

for

you that.

way of

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

I

will

a

And

I

could

long time, about

application.
try

to

make

I

one

example.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building

hour,

an

plan.

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 164

11

1

There's

element

an

2

future

3

thereof

4

use

5

Comprehensive

Plan."

6

All

So

land

it

in your

element.

use

is

right.

8

because that element

9

this

at

a

10

do

11

it. On page

12

Town's

13

strained

to

14

critical

stage."

something

see

critical

it

what

13

future
of

land

the Town's

stage

it,not

says, and

transportation system
capacity and,

in

it says

that

recognizes

to minimize

131

a

that we've got the

now

pivotal element let's go

is

called

page

the pivotal element

7

15

on

says, and I quote, "The

element

town

And

plan

I

is

traffic

and you
to

in

need to

exacerbate

quote, "the

rapidly being

fact,

is

at

a

So, what is your policy to do something

16

about

17

Regarding Change,

18

recognizes that future development and attendant

19

population growth

20

potable

21

critical

22

therefore

adopted the following policy regarding

23

growth

to

prevent critical and dangerous

24

of

parking

25

facilities

its

that?

5 under the title, Policies
Page 1-

water

level

and

and

I

quote, "the

would

aggravate traffic and

perhaps bringing
of

over

to

the

The

use.

resources,

damage

Town

public

its

Town

Town

to

has

services

historic

overuse

and

character

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 165

1

and to

2

The

3

administrative

4

including the

5

minimize the

6

low

density

7

use

patterns and thereby lower the pattern of

8

density

9

inflow." In other words, make

overall

Town will

10

make

11

policy.

12

it

property values of the community.
take all

change
areas

transition of

or

or

Comprehensive Plan,

structures

to

existing
intense

to more

where possible and to minimize tourist

That's

bigger.

13

you how that code

14

with

15

Exception

16

or

17

before you

18

application

19

application,

20

must meet

21

Not

22

them.

23

of this

use

and

legally available,

measures

Now, you have

of

a

Zoning

fits

and

Uses

the

it

grant

and

let

a

That's your

me

Not

a

about

Weiner, if

25

them.

I

said

I

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
Suite

Special
15

that must be met

stress

this

qualify

some

of

to

for

Not

one.

was

going

We'll be here too

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

dealing

number, perhaps

them.

to

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

approval,
of

All

them.
of

Mrs.

discuss

all

of

long.

& CONSOR REPORTING

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

The

you.

most

Now, I know you would shoot me,

24

tell

Let me

special exception

and every

part of them.

Code.

talks

lists

in order to

each

smaller, don't

into what we're

requirements

can

it

your plan.

Section 6.
40

today.

20

technical

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 166

1

MS. WEINER:

2

MR. KOLLINS:

Be

my guest.

f

3

them.

4

discuss

5

application

6

and H.

7

those

8
9
10

today,

which

violates

six of

That the
be

to

The

12

injury

13

neighborhood

uses

use

face the

them, B, C, D, F, G

the value

to

where

That

D.

I

me

want

read

to

the

public health,

the

it

18

elements

19

already dealt

of

G.

the

to

be

located.

will

be

compatible

and the

in which

That the

F.

is

use

of

district

substantial

cause

of other property in the

16

the

that

will not

adjoining development

use

it

with

intended purpose

is

to

be

located.

will comply with all

Comprehensive Plan." We've

with that

That the

use

21

economic, noise, glare

22

adjoining properties

23

the

25

to

designed located and

so

operated

15

24

going

and welfare, morals will be protected.

C.

20

of

some

six.

safety

17

I'
m

ones

their

on

discuss

to

If you will bear with

proposed

14

going

I'
ll tell you which

B.

11

I'
m

one.

not

or

and

result in substantial
odor

impacts

on

properties generally

in

district.
H.

That

adequate ingress

and egress

property and proposed structures, their

on

to

and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 167

off

2

provided

3

to

4

convenience, traffic flow and control and

5

in

street

where

and

fire

of

case

in

required

automotives

areas

be

reference

particular

and

pedestrian's safety

access

catastrophe."

or

Now, let's look at the proposal in

6
7

realistic

8

show you

9

with Mr. Chopin because he had something very

terms.

that

like

I

that

11

it,but the point

12

the

he

for you
I'
m

going

What you need to

closely

very

didn't know he had
to

is

make

look at,

how many

will

be

application

15

to

16

how many

17

reasonably analyze

and understand the

18

that

cost.

19

can

20

problem,

21

5,
000
000, people

22

problem,

it'
s
use

23

people

that club, because when you

people

it,I

This

to

don't

noise

so

use

can

going

24

because

we

25

members

because

only

figure

it,only then

if

Because

think that's

entitled

a

out

can

you

impacts
five

big

people

traffic

problem, glare problem, but
can

let's

chart

kind of

given the

14

use

clearly

making.

was

is

and I

will

I

working

not

was

much

point

where

Here's

10

13

elt%

parking and loading

will

1

use

see

was

it,that's

what

done

the

rather

considered

a

if

big

a

realities

are.

conservatively

hundred

active

that's what the application

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515,

1

Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 168

1

said,

2

says

3

somewhere

along

4

only

611.

I'
ll

5

good enough for

6

have

7

no

8

memberships

9

limits;

Mr. Pollock's

though

even

report

1,
007 would be okay and then subsequently
the line

somebody said,

But

me.

weekly guest cards,

2

lunch

s
no, it'

just accept 500, okay? That's

limit; day guests,

each of those
no

500

limit; hotel guests,

per member; tennis

guests,

and dinner guests,

no

junior seasonal members,

11

active

12

children, if

member,
I

no

can

that

use

no

limit;

limit.

you heard, is

as

can

limit; seasonal

no

10

of

traffic

And each

husband, wife,

word, under the age

26.

Now, the Bath & Tennis Club had 724 members
and until today I

thought

that

they

17

use

18

deja

19

when Mr. Trump's

20

nine,

21

in

22

That's

23

out

24

strange

25

Tennis Club of the

this

also.

vu, if

next

here

the

and

I

I

had

of

This

can

rights
gives

folks

it

me

said

was

happened again.

to me

Tennis

why they

But

of

had to walk
with.

dealing
we

Club, although
would

bit

11, next day

You

were

Okay.

all

remember

I

was

seven.

find out what you

Bath &

little

a

it

we

entitlement to

that term.

use

figure

think

thought

deprive

can

take

it'
s

Bath &

memberships they already

held

4

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 169

1

out

2

assumption

all

3

thought

it

was

4

going

to walk

5

true,

are

6

members?

7

But, in any event, there

are

8

with

Woodbridge people

9

my client Mrs. Massey; there

them, based

to

d

along

nonsense,

that
to

all

of

they taking

I

though,

those

folks

the Bath &

out

their

was

So if that
MarLago.
a-

were

were

Tennis

leave that to you to speculate.

I'
ll

limit; there

no

it

traffic when

on

are

perpetual members
and

honorary

are

10

members with

11

Mrs.

12

guests, lunch guests, dinner guests; all the

13

seasonal members

14

can

15

limit.

limit.

no

Massey also

have

all

of

17

your little

18

right

19

figuring.

20

to

21

I

22

tomorrow

23

they're

out.

24

Chopin,

believe

25

members

we

there

of which

those

discount

not

much

I

of

So

I

math.

Tennis

look at
did
And

I

they're

out.

Maybe

more

conservative

a

So

of

500

minimum of

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

you

today

was

know that's

want

Until

in, but right

not.

it

Club.

back

or

in

little

a

be

it

no

these

Now

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

thousand

a

in.

were

they'll

at

day

guests with

copies

chair.

the Bath &

thought they

have

are

if you want to

your

I'
m

there

kind of

you

packet
at

Woodbridge people,

have weekly guests,

can

These charts,

16

The

a

now

than

Frank

active

thousand

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 170

1

people

2

children under the age of

3

families.

4

think I

5

people.

6

You

7

because what

8

deducted

9

three

husband

and

I'
m

for

26

and Mrs.

Woodbridge
did

I

said

those

100
500

figure is.
You

Tennis.

That's

Massey.

took those

I

was

I

got 1,
100

scratch the Bath &

to

going

15

and

33

I

it,husband and wife and only added

for children.

realize Mrs.

I

doesn't have

11

more

12

seasonal

members, okay,

13

which is

a

14

husband and wife

15

children

16

if you take out what I

husband.

a

child.

Tennis

only

very conservative.

10

17

I

don't know what the

I

was

have

and wife

Just

thousand.

two

So

2,
000.

2,
200

when

so

for the Bath

500 people
maybe 3,

18

right

19

unlimited, unlimited classes of folks.

20

would bet you

21

3,
500 and double it

22

of

23

club.

24

7,
000.

25

few less.

there.

people

That's

it

that

They

It'
s

7,
000.

right
more

not

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

to

likely

a

it'
s

before all of

conservative

are

have

Maybe

is

500

for

only added 200

I

had in there

have

folks, you

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active member

per

that's

one

my part.

on

If you double that

that's

for them.

maybe there's

But

estimate

an

Massey

to

to

than

and

these

to

use

the

that.

it'
s

not

that

the

able to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

take

That's

be

Now, I

number

use

the

club.
s
Maybe it'

a

611 and

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 171

1

it'
s

2

in your

3

that's

4

when

not

I

become

to

going

discuss

particularly

traffic

6

mentioned to you

7

And

8

whether

9

a

earlier

decided to
or

negative

not

or

a

a

find

social

positive impact

10

values

11

engaged

12

marked

13

copy I made of his report.

14

Mr.

15

see

16

president

17

and he did

18

Club
MarLago
a-

19

m going
property and I'

20

now

21

him.

22

you

23

experience, knowledge

24

going

25

Mrs.

of

the properties

that
as

here

Exhibit Number

4

on

the property

was

and ask him to
resume

is

us

I

got the name,
he's

on

the

Consultants

what

the

do to Mrs.

to

going

a

The company that .

for

analysis

we

What's

packet is

Appraisal & Acquisition

an

it,so

today.

John Underwood he's with

His

expert

club would have

in your

Underwood, John Underwood

of

I

values.

that surround

He's

expert.

an

on.

that

property

from

out

private

relevant

standards

was

think

I

little later

a

of the Zoning Code

One

we

you to kind of put that

want

pocket and keep that in mind.

we

5

1,
000.

Massey's

introduce John to you

to

tell you
in his

a

little bit about
He

report.

tell

can

about himself, tell you about his

tell

you what

of

his

this

town

analysis

and he's

is

of

Massey's property.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 172

1

MR. UNDERWOOD:

Thank you very much.

x

2

an

3

cover

attorney
the

will

I

take very

not

high points

long

not

to

this.

on

My firm Appraisal & Acquisition Consultants

4

in Lake Worth.

5

is

6

I'
ve

7

since

8

I'
ve

9

Palm Beach

10

so

I

been

1971.

hold MAI

I

the

over

estate

12

restricted.

It

13

The

was

14

impact

15

adjacent

16

an

17

club

question

designations.

in the

Town

of

single family

etc.

asked to do

a

wide

simply:

was

very

ranging study.
What would the

Massey's property being

private club; change

a

years.

in

use

from

having

facilities?
What

club

20

adjacent

21

properties similar

22

clubs

facilities
to

and
We

25

were

the

look at other

We

to

see

to

those

but

a

value

difference?

find two sales

Sailfish Club.

was

clubs, then look

there

24

along

do

in Palm Beach; find properties

those

was

did

to

attempted

we

19

23

not

12

County

residential type property to

estate

18

SRA

were

very

Mrs.

on

to

was

we

for

Beach

last 20 years;

type,

The study that

be

and

lot of appraisals

a

residences,

11

been there

appraiser in Palm

an

done

It'
s

then

not

adjacent

found other

Intracoastal

and

other

adjacent

to

to

the

sales

that

compared those

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 173

1

sales

2

and

3

value between those

properties

and the

4

the

There

certainly

5

differences

6

the

7

the

to

adjacent

ones

found that there

Sailfish Club.

was

in those

to

major

a

were

Sailfish Club
difference

properties other

in
in

ones

other

than

just

location.
The

sales

compared

8

use

9

characteristic

two

puts

10

that.

11

not

12

portion of

Of

and

the

it

type analysis that

similar objects with that
s
say it'

all

attributable

all

attributable to

the difference in value

just

to

location but

a

The bedroom

and

are

good

floor

on

the

south

17

and most

18

bedroom overlooks

19

of

20

said, this property

21

it.

adjacent

the entrance

to

page

of

24

that

there would be

25

impact

this,

on

are

Area Code (407)6594155

southerly breezes

beach

area

and has

is

adjacent kitty

you will

see

a

the value of

negative

and

on

corner

the
we

to

last
do

feel

substantial

the property

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515. 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

view

a

Mr. Kollins

pretty simple, that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

side of the

As
MarLago.
a-

conclusions,

23

a

Mrs. Massey's
MarLago.
a-

the

to

It'
s

both first

areas

house well designed to get the

Our

was

was.

very nice home.
second

we

one

did inspect the Massey property.

We

22

the

from,

one,

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 174

1

increased

traffic; two,

2

intensity

of the beach

3

property; three, the change in the residential

4

character
I'
m

5

of the

6

far

7

to

8

property.

9

that right

Bath &

Tennis

south.

is

And

we

feel

now

is

very residential

not

oriented

that

buyers typically

11

and

12

to

13

which estate to

purchase,

14

would not be

purchase

15

private club,

16

privacy

17

last

18

is

19

purchasers

20

into the earlier comments.

21

after

22

considered

23

opinion

24

impact

if

we

purchase

of

that

the

we

the

took
in

on

and

that

they

that

had

that the

one

going

was

options of
first option

adjacent

type

areas

to

a

impact

the

home.

And

the

into consideration here

perception of potential

So, to summarize,

sales

data,

after

there would, in

fact,

be

we

it
a

was

our

negative

the Massey property.

Do you

have

any questions?

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

north of

all of these other factors

that

her

subject property which ties

looked at the

we

someone

estate

own

change
of

oriented

towards

anything

because that would

their

reason

that

to

at

and

estate

an

not

like to buy in homogenous

looking

are

is

It

It

10

25

Club is

from Mrs. Massey's property.
the

the

to

adjacent

area

neighborhoods.

that

aware

potential change in

a

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 SE. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 175

1

2

MR. WEINBERG:

Were

in,

sworn

you

Mr. Underwood?

3

MR. UNDERWOOD:

4

MR. WEINBERG:

5

MR. KOLLINS:

6

moment

7

traffic.

8

two

or

or

First of

Yes, sir

was

three

I

time has
or

this

in absolute

10

fact

that Mr.

11

includes

12

traffic

13

changing

14

intensity

15

their

original report

16

don't

know the

17

four

sincerity,

I

of

and

own

use

it

that

report

to

try

if

about

I

mean

by

this

to

true

was

answer, but

all

they kept
reduce

to

the

and

was

consider the two reports

that Mr. Pollock

did

18

and Barr,

on

19

section

on

20

traffic

consultant,

21

as

22

consultant Mr. Pollock had

23

all

24

I

25

had to

well.

the

won't

and

I

the very last

questions why they needed

But

County

it'
s

and

but

in

correct? I

could do

Dunlop did

the

town

use they represented

the

a

four, different

was

Why

take

confused

am

least three, if not

their

talk

to

Trump's presentation

reports.

to

come

confess

must

9

at

in.

sworn

Thank you.
The

all,

I

I'
ll

leave

a

that

second
to

you

clear their traffic

Town

a

job

to

do

and

given

traffic ordinances which

get into in great detail myself, they

keep the additional

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

number of

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

trips

on

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955
Boca

 176

Ocean

2

they

3

And to do

4

make

5

report will then get

6

can

could not go

forward

on

137

traffic

a

else

or

basis.

get to that number you have to

to

certain

assumptions

that your

so

traffic

bottom line that you

to

a

be

disparaging

live with.

7

f7~~)

Boulevard under the number

1

don't

I

to

mean

8

I

9

computer; garbage in, garbage

say the traffic report is

at

of

sort

all when

like

a

If what you

out.

10

put in isn't right, if what you put in his

11

unreasonable, then

12

at

the

13

So

it becomes very relevant to

14

validity

15

traffic

16

or

17

you what

other

of

end

the

garbage

wrong,

see

19

quibble

20

going

21

have eliminated Bath &

22

be

23

have

24

people

25

want
MarLago;
a-

a

with you

eight
a

have

do

on

to

use

we

the

the

the

applicant's
fact went

that's

going

in
tell

to

showed you and I won't

number.

But

I'
m down

they

this; they're
to

show it.

I

now

Tennis.

go in if

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

question

7,
000 people

9,
000.

right
will

club

about

or

unreasonable.

are

of

out

spits

out.

So

to

that it

whether the

in because

18

we

numbers

assumptions

went

came

are

to

report

the

It

that

to.

A lot

member

want

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

to

They

seven.

proud

They

they

going

was

to

want
a

s
say it'

to

of
of

use

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 177

W
ILI j
11 ~

1

the

2

tennis.

3

They're

4

So

5

six, 7,
000 people who

6

Mr. traffic

7

he's

8

staying

9

going

to

10

we're

down to

11

most,

at

12

the other

13

beach and whatever else, 25

beach;

They
not

people

to

play golf;

want

going

are

going

14

want

to

have

just

to

can

and

go

have

have

we

we

50 meals

And

the

day

a

the

golf,

are

understand

And that at

most, 25 people will go per day

facilities;

by

folks

I

now

dinner.

at

told

report that

guest rooms, maybe 35

lunch there.

five,

are

traffic

that beside

assume

in those

ambience.

the

And

go.

Mr. Pollock's

to

play

to

pay the money and not go.

to

going

want

the

to

use

tennis

and

day.

a

Now, I ask you, do you believe that? Can I

15

tell you how many

16

I

17

know who's

18

that

19

got

20

it

don't know who's

going

21

to

going

use

it every

belong.

belong.

to

They

day?

don't

you believe

assumption for traffic purposes

because you

that

believe

22

employees.

23

to

24

West

25

Their

work.

their traffic

Can't

even

staff

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

let
to

says

it'
s

buy

into

their

to van

their
have
to

employees
to

some

pick

drive

place in

them up.

impractical and it

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515. 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

to

report.

they're going

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
Building

have

to

They're going

Palm that
own

But

assumption, you got

They're going

5th Floor • Comeau

to

can

to make
to

going

are

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 178

1

isn't

going

2

judge

whether

3

unwarranted

4

to

work.
the

or

I'
ll

leave

assumptions

not.

But when you

I

think

truly

6

experiences.to bear,

7

town

8

Boulevard to bear.

9

traffic

bear, your

Then

11

of

12

the

13

Secondly,

14

of

15

forth.

16

of

17

Mrs.

18

out

19

of

20

coming

21

direction

22

cop

23

and, by the way,

24

Bath &

25

traffic

traffic

engineers

cars, the

numbers

want

Ocean

One, the numbers.

of

are

the

numbers

trips compared
and

legal

What

to

limits

what

are.

you to think about it in terms

safety; safety
Safety

of your

you to think of

want

tell you

legal requirements
I

I

own

your

knowledge
of

are.

in

bring

knowledge

own

in three ways.

the

own

your

to

you

they

think about traffic

relation to this, I want you to

10

to

foolish and

are

5

to

it

on

for

road driving back and

the

ingress

and egress

in and out

MarLago,
asafety for ingress and egress for

Massey

of

all

so

or

for the

Woodbridge
of

for

or

that

people
the

are

people coming

those streets

along

or

around the blind

curve

in either

traffic

as

that

someone

Tennis

I

is
can

into

understand this

Club when it had

that way that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the

stopped by
turn

they

out

people

the

traffic

MarLago
atown

someone

couldn't do

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

coming

told the

directing
it

any

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 179

i

and

1

more

2

true, then they can't do it either.

3

can't

4

has to go out the window.

5

of

6

town

7

circle which is

8

today,

9

certain

10

it

it

stop it. Now,

either then that

of

quickly

13

Preservation

14

engaged

15

introduce

that

a

terrible

a

I'
m

not

of

potential

traffic

a

Foundation,

a

more

as

first and
The

expert.

Mr.

Chopin

told you,

It'
s

my

pleasure

him to you.

name

is

Bill

His

18

three pages

19

background.

I

think

Exhibit Number

resume

as

to

Tipton.

Massey

of Mr.

Tipton,

tell you about

his

you'll be impressed.
6

is

21

and

it'
s my pleasure to

22

can

explain

his

a

He will

long.

a

copy of his

introduce him.

report
So

he

report, study and his findings.

23

Thank you.

24

MR. TIPTON:

of

day

per

traffic expert.

Massey Exhibit Number 5

president

begin with

area.

17

25

to

area

Now, you have in your package

20

is

link and around that traffic

said that, I confess

12

If they

assumption

000 people
percentage of 7,

in that

that's

Finally, just think

mind with the

never

if

general congestion in your

that

along

Having

16

had to

in terms

and

being

11

do

they

I'
m

Tipton

Bill Tipton, Sr. I'
m

Associates

Incorporated.

3
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 180

We're

2

Orlando.

3

Class

4

engineering,

5

my class work in traffic

6

supporting

7

last 21 years

8

professional engineer

9

states

have

I

and

11

Engineers.

had my

in

to

talk

M with

I'
m

a

registered
14

Transportation

about

is

some

14

indicating

15

and the

16

higher

17

in time.

proposal

other

of the

relative to Lago.
MaraBasically, what

you is

of

firm for the

13

to

all

own

Florida and

Institute of

in civil

transportation and

fellow member

a

want

we

and

of Orlando.

out

am

International

What

I'
ve

engineering,

Master's

from Texas A &

1965

areas.

I

M.

of

out

engineers

in civil

degree

a

of ' 59, Texas A &

10

12

u

traffic transportation

1

that the

facts
I'
ll

be

traffic
MarLago
a-

that's before you will be much

than what you've been told at this

point

18

The

19

standard

20

Fiction has been used to get around the County's

21

concurrency plans

22

us

23

ways

24

traffic

25

of

in my
for the

opinion, the concurrency

County will

currently.

the concurrency.
to

not

The

The

planners

be met.

planners give
are

finding

get around it and do illegitimate

analyses

as

traffic volumes

it

were

by doing averaging

around certain roads

ll
and I'

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

international Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 181

1

show you

some

2

of

thing

which

3

of

transportation

4

major fallacies

believe

I

is

included

on

6

that will

be

7

relate

access

8

emergency vehicles

9

south.

10

but
MarLago,
a-

11

you

12

chief needs

run

and

trucks
to

only

I'
m

getting

process

serious

show you

to

why

sure

there

think

I

also

the

to

times when

are

from here

down there

get

delays

or
MarLago
a-

for

a

the

or

fire

or

tied up with the traffic

he's going
MarLago
a-

to

be

in

awhile

there.

There

are

current

operational problems in

17

the

area

18

now

when vehicles

19

the

MarLago
aproject.

20

problems

21

on

22

and the

23

can

24

street

25

streets

the

at

out

Ocean

go

kind

fire station south of

a

vehicles

or

be

but also to people

whatever and if he's
front of

city's

and then this will

case

not

I'
ll

know you have

I

in the

there will

Ocean Boulevard

5

to

that

doing

concurrency.

that

the

in

of

present time.

the

Boulevard.

on

at

in the

area

queues

left into

turn

There's

sight

distance

There's

a

There's

traffic

circle

a

multitude

traffic circle.

delay trying

are

driveway.

all

thing

to

wanting

are

There

to

of

curve

things

There's

that

major side

get out of the side

right

now.

It'
s

going

to

be

q:.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 182

1

increased

and then you

2

driveways

at

3

So
MarLago.
a-

4

one

all

three

show you

in your blue

let

7

folks

8

Tennis Club and this will

9

turn

have

some

real

a

tell you

11

of

12

the two driveways

13

the street.

14

Over

15

traffic.

16

traffic numbers

17

1,
321;

on

18

and

011.
Friday 2,

19

in this

6,

The

their driveways

in the

into

That's

far

the main

at

2

In the

on

column there's

lot

the

We

on

on

daily
The

463
Thursday, 1,

used the

number

1,
463

Thursday.
also

22

they

23

Thursday

24

December the

25

didn't know until

did at the Bath &

April the

Tennis
8.

told

Club.

was

632.

give
count
count

on

was

They

them last week that the

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

My

Their count

Their count

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

6.

Tuesday

you way back in the appendix the traffic

I

at

across

21

8.

and

averaged daily traffic.

Kimley-Horn report they

was

have

we

in front of page

317;
Wednesday, 1,

analysis

2,

driveway

189;
Monday 1,

on

If you

Tennis Club, all

the'
employee

Table

right

ADT means

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

other

why.

Table

full week count at the Bath &

20

go

been trying to discount the Bath &

10

on

to

report to Tab 1,

numbers.

in front of page

to

only going

are

6

me

into

time.

a

If you turn

lane

single

entrances

vehicles

direction at

5

have

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 183

OWE

1

Bath &

2

day.

3

way

4

at

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407)6594155

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

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golf.

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955
2499

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17

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

room.

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stay under the County

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

40 percent

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

the

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3

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16

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19

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20

hasn't been mentioned about making the sight

21

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24

to

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roads

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or

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

see

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

lane
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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 189

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a-

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glass location

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9

Southern Boulevard and then here's

street.

10

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roads

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pressure

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 190

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to

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S,E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 191

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location to work.

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

2499 Glades Road

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

Suite 205

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out.

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level of
need to

to

they going
service
out

get

that
of

it to work? No.

going

can

do that to

in my

Not

the

place.

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s

not

other

one

about

operation

opinion.

going

they

to

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get

you

be

to

to work

going

one

get this

they're talking

their valet

up

to move

the

get

come

behind the

have

to

believe that? I don't.They're
over

to

aisleways

you're going

so

dead head

showing

all

that

way.
Turn
at

a

if

you would and let's

comparison between

and the

The

page 27

to

Bath &

first

access

Tennis Club.

thing

is:

Do you

does not.
lane? Lago
Mara-

does.
have

Second

your main

on

Bath &

thing is:

Tennis

two.

out

on

located in the

Table

have

13

is

there.

left turn

a

Bath &

How many

Club has two.

Bath &

the other situation is

pointed

MarLago
a-

Tennis

lanes

Club

do you

has
driveway? Lago
Mara-

employee driveway lanes
Club has

for

look

this

How many

do you

Tennis

service

have? Lago
Mara-

Club has

four.

that Marlike
Lago,
a-

drawing

most.
heavily

one.

awhile

And
I

ago, is

traveled

section of

9
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 194

Boulevard.

Ocean

location here

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the

increased

roads to

use

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load

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over

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the wrong location.

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lot

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there

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go

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traffic

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m

of

situation that you have in

load over here.

traffic

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gets the Bath & Tennis Club

that situation; the traffic
not

here

over

should be.

evaluations

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a

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m used

in that

respect.

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what

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some

on

two more

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then

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factors

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is.
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Conclusions
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this

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superior location because
talked

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29.

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analyses after
is

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asked to

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International Place
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Suite 205
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Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

that.

2

9 times the traffic estimated in the
generate 2.

3

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Beach

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application before you.

use

total

studied

area

studied has not been
said

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8

trips,

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half mile

study

incomplete

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200

trips,

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didn't have to go to

they

after

Palm

needed to be

accomplished.

below the

were

The

is

County Concurrency Analysis

in the

will

Club
Maraproposed Lago

the

County.

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10

are

11

whole

12

They

13

one

14

They

15

individual

16

here, is

17

they're adding

18

concurrency, if you want to add it at

a

19

realistic

standpoint,

people

20

feel when

they

21

fun and

22

this

23

in

24

trouble.

25

site

above

200

study

trips.

area

for

the

violating the

are

haven't

They

County,

ordinance

percent capacity rule which

capacity

over

games

trouble

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they

drive

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137

the

and
can't

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s

get

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road

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before

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as

as

opposed

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much

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the

to

playing by doing

traffic

going

city

these

are

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be

circle
in

area

is

worse

parking

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the

cars.

cars.

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thing

planners

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

137

of

the present time and

at

process.

are

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as

opinion.

in terms

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to

your

now

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over

roadway link,

averaging

as

times

multiple

are

studied their

in my

is

a

on

that

the

they're

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

showing

2

of these things

3

terms

4

all

of

of

the

was

7

traffic

8

at

9

trying

the

that Frank is

those kinds

all

6

probably going

concerned

study,

and the

before

that

delays

with

now

11

thing you're looking

12

lanes but

13

got

one

lane out.

They're just coming

14

service

driveway.

When

15

getting

out

16

minute.

17

cars

18

there.

19

You're

20

arrivals

21

intersection at the driveway.

22

Tennis

23

than

24

lanes, it has

25

volumes

that

hour and
can

going

got

I

they're saying

got

a

an

whole

to

have
a

really

some

left

is

a

a

less

has

a

bunch of

cars

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superior
it

out

delay

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lane

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the

out

second

cars

two

now.

hour.

of the

turn

lanes

30

a

two

get

60 minutes

120
in

cars

in there.

same

time
the

at

the
club

more

of

Bath &

location

driveway

left turn lane and the traffic
in

front

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

I

I

because
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a-

are

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park 250 something

without

Club

at.

means

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hours

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don't have two

I

really

people

two

to

empty the place.

occurring

are

get out, you know it takes

I

in

which

out

10

a

about

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and the

lane

one

Woodbridge intersection
to

some

of things.

spaces

have

we

affect

to

preservation of the landscaping and

With 257

5

E-L-

and that's

of

it than

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Area Code (305) 5256723

in

front

of

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

MarLago.
aNow, let's

2

look at

3

that I

asked to

4

turn behind Tab

5

these.

6

were

55

7

said

okay.

8

percent.

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9

happens.

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was

alternative

an

accomplish.

2, we'll

use

11

we

12

for the

13

south where

14

busts.

15

being

We'll

that

use

the

run

numbers

we'll

do

and

they

shuttle,

not

go to Tab

3,

done

second page

same

18

Bath & Tennis Club

on

19

their chart

Although they

20

today,

21

Get

22

this

23

1,
100

24

allowed

25

It'
s

was

says.

but that, one,

this, though.

okay.

cars

in

top

of

the

to

137.

It

Club.

there and the

time

the

adding

like
MarLago
a-

said

they

took that back
it

was

fine.

important thing they

direction where you

one

Town

these
of

Palm

folks

said

told you

are

it'
s

okay.

Beach, pass this thing.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

this

only

The

credit

Well, my analysis shows that's

137, yet

okay,

cars

Tennis

17

analysis

the

When

concurrency with them

meet

55 percent of the Bath &
Then

we'll

is

Club.

Tennis

up with 281

come

what

different

the County concurrency is
does

It

I

I

69

see

that, using their values, using

is

that

report

instead of

real count at the Bath &

16

through.

percent of the Bath & Tennis Club.

10

do

If you will

real quick

run

in their

They suggested

analysis

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

REPORTING

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 198

1

ZO

Turn

Tab

to

4

and we'll compare the whole

2

ball of

3

behind Tab

4

you

5

fifth from the bottom,

6

cars.

I

7

their

own

8

and

they

9

out

of there.

and be done with it. Second page

wax

4

look at

shows
the

you the comparison.
traffic

new

say there's
data it

row

which is

they say

700

cars

out

comes

a

to

2,
000

are

day.

Using

Remember

11

compare those numbers with what's

12

peak

13

County concurrency

14

their

15

Bath &

16

then with

17

by

they

value

own

Tennis
a

allowed in the

of what percentage

what we're

traffic is
MarLago
a-

saying

20

you've been told.

21

course

22

not

used

the beach

23

And

they

have not used that other

24

ya'll

25

attraction of Lago.
There
Mara-

for

much

have

They

their traffic

they

here

higher

not

of

traffic

the

fail

that

than what

They

golf
have

generation.

thing, which

magnetic
are

& CONSOR REPORTING

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

is

used the

generation.

their

experienced,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

are of

times.

the

have

they

in there

wax

19

for

Using

1 times and
Club, they fail by 2.

basically

Area Code (407) 6594155

day.

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by 3.8 times.

test

whole ball of

eight

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okay.

was

day

a

and, by my analysis, they failed the

hour

18

said that

200

cars

Tennis

cars

10

over

510

be

new

about

there

haven't taken the Bath &
It was

if

So

going

to

be

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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lot of

people that

1

a

2

for them to

3

traffic

4

plus

5

years.

He's

are

all kinds

of

6

not

seen

7

so

there's

8

So

we

9

correct

10

feel

never

County

11

County has

12

based upon the

13

says

14

traffic

generated by

15

beach.

The

16

They

17

saying they're okay.

18

their

19

a

20

concurrency

21

your

22

course

23

neither

24

magnetic

that the

is

another

out

that have

it,

see

top of that.

on

nowhere
to

near

you.

last week

and the

letter

the

to

before you does

study

There

last week and the

meeting

20

over

place.

being proposed

We met with the
sent

for

love to go

attraction

that the traffic

is

the County

around here

that would

magnetic

in what

the

seen

people

place

a

been here

He's

engineer.

there

people

it. We've met with

see

the

take

to

want

Town

County
address

not

Aiis~

25

have

County

the

is

in

right

problem,

lap,

but

now

they

that

we

a

they

letter

a

little egg

are

They

think there's

are

of

threw it

not

back

that the

saying

on

their

in

golf

included and
I

would call the

Mar-Lago.
a--

look at the Harris report, your

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

because

factor which

attraction

When

folks

here.

they didn't totally rescind

and the beach
is

tough position

a

They got

analysis.

but

and the

course

these

already given

face

golf

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Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 200

1

consultant's

2

to be

3

proposal.

4

means

5

tunnel to

6

used

7

application

8

for beach use;

9

trees

report, it said club facilities

limited to those

Well, if

beach,

no

indicated

in the

take

literally, that

so

before you.

plow

and grass

away because

11

course.

12

recommendation.

up

have

That's your

golf

traffic

no

own

before you

from Barr,

15

that

includes

16

club,

17

Where's the beach? Where's

18

attraction?

19

with

348

20

that

no

21

things.

22

A

even

not

been

time

ago

I

23

Capacity

School

24

When the

19

25

there

was

a

the

So

that's

I

magnetic
He

the

you

Highway
University.

Manual

real

there

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NationsBank
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Area Code (305)5256723

to

up

these

to

Highway 65 Capacity
guy up

comes

indicate

applied

to

and

course?

in there.

went

learned

golf

racquet ( sic)

golf

up at Northwestern

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the

with those.
has

plant

course

Associates

tennis

Where's

judgment

long

and

for the

study

Dunlop &

hotel,

They're

traffic

consultant's

14

restaurant.

no

course

Then you go to the newest

study

have

They

the

not

the way their

there; take the golf

out

they

block the

means

that the beach is

That's
Maraby Lago.
is

that

That

golf.

no

the beach

10

13

we

are

came

out

teaching

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

the

class

with

2

experience

3

your book

4

studying

5

book and you write

6

it. Use

7

run

8

at

9

you get.

a

and he

a

this

10

he
a

new

for your

got

here

a

title

and then you

bunch of

numbers

run

12

judgment

in

13

what you

have before you, I

14

that

15

justification

a

nobody

looking

traffic
to

set

take

now

basis

you

this

take your

the
He

front

sit back

an

the

to

that

of

says, you
look

results

have been

and used

back
them.

at

deny

on

judgment

11

on

but

right

said, you

judgment.

and you apply your

We

guys

inch thick book we'd been

an

week

these numbers
it

said, you

about

for

number of years

tremendous

any

So, based upon

certainly recommend

certainly

have

request.

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17

18
19
20
21
22

23
24

25

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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SPECIAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING

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m.

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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P

ROC

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3

MR. WEINBERG:

4

Before

you

Thank you, Mr.

start,

Rollins,

Mr.

to make.

announcement

6

we

7

necessary

8

Rather

9

will continue this meeting this

for

us

so

far

to

change

than stop at

10

additional

11

We

12

made

13

leave at this

will

Because

today,

clock this
5 o'

stops except for

continue

of

as

5

particular

14

Continue,

15

MR. ROLLINS:

16

I

schedule.

evening,

evening without

of you who

o'
clock

might

listening

to

s critically important
world, but it'

19

issue

20

to

I

hope you
sure

want

to

want

to

traffic

18

21

the most

not

it. I'
m

have

Thank you, Mr. President.

numbers

I

break.

moment.

17

and

we

Mr. Rollins.

know sometimes
are

an

be

occasional

an

and those

on

appointments

it will
time

our

have

I

the slow pace

of

5

have utilized

Tipton.

exciting thing

will

to

in the

this

pay strict attention

you will.

make

one

other traffic

point

to

22

you,

23

12, 19'93 letter Charlie Walker County Traffic

24

Engineer

25

as

so

this

is

fully conceptualized.

and Bob Moore

Exhibit

7

and I

In

a

May

have marked that

in Massey; you've got

a

copy of

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 204

1

that

in

front

2

but

3

says to you is this:

4

Standards would not be met if conditions

5

on

6

made

7

happened

8

study.

9

they

of

one

of you

the

the club

the

they got

it

They accepted
told.

were

They

things
he

report

Performance

Traffic

placed

assumptions

See what

Kimley-Horn study.

was

the

different than the

are

in the

in

primary things
The

number of

a

says

original Kimley-Horn
because

that's

issued their

what

concurrency

10

letter.

11

with them

12

not

13

position

14

realities

15

concurrency.

16

you want to meet concurrency you

17

with every assumption in Mr. Pollock's report

18

which

means

you

19

golf,

can't

have

20

during

the

21

people you

are

going

to

have

22

people

are

going

to

go

23

anything

more

24

what

letter says

25

the way it

We've met

together with

because the County
of

you

the

Mr.

the

this

Tipton

now

is

changed its

knows the

situation would not meet

What

it'
s

can't

more

in effect

use

than

the

25

day doing anything

is

saying
got

if

stick

to

beach, can't play

people
other

for

have

there
than

dinner
for

the

and

lunch

you're not allowed to do.
from the County.

50

35

and
That's

That's

is.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Mr. Pollock met

and the County has

secret

a

with them.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 205

1

Let me

move

Let me

on.

go

back and kind of

2

put this in perspective regarding Mrs. Massey.

3

What

4

her

5

presented

to

her

6

she's

to

put up with all the noxious impacts

7

that

8

everything

9

were

it

driveway.

got

can't

she has

Means

than

worse

else.

be

she

in and out

get

of

safety hazard

a

she

has

Means

now.

it;the noise, lights and

go with

to

her

to

means

It

approved

means

and

if

her beach

they

10-

use

the beach, will wreak havoc

11

her

tranquility

12

goes

were

if

this

allowed to

her beach and

on

and the value of her property

down.

What

13

does

this

mean

standard? Violates

in terms
the

14

Code

15

if

16

problems, pedestrian problems.

17

people

18

There

19

Emergency

of

20

are

vehicle

21

surrounding

22

I

23

while

24

town

25

Mr.

must

and

is

a

as

big

everybody

Trump.

It'
s

safety

They expect the
over

there.

Where do you walk?

clearly incompatible
uses

Plan

problems.

I

tell you, with

this

walk

to

sidewalks.

no

is

it

Woodbridge

Zoning

Comprehensive

it devalues property, it creates

from

the

with the

think we've
all

due

important

in it. It'
s
to

So

respect, that

s
case, it'

important

shown you.

important

Mrs.

to

this

to

Massey.

It'
s

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S,E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 206

1

important

2

it'
s

3

because

4

doesn't take

5

take

6

it

7

proposal does

8

it

9

record is clear.

not

a

it

everybody.

close

It'
s

case.

doesn't

It'
s

take

doesn't take

does

genius

a

not meet

easy case,

take

to

see

But

case.

engineer,

appraiser,

the

not meet

big

traffic

a

real estate

a

a

an

police chief, doesn't

a

10

111

to

doesn't

fire

a

chief,

that their

legal requirements,

your standards.

Period.

The

Now, when you considered the subdivision

11

last year, you made

12

commercials

13

Say

14

proposal, just

15

did.

No" and

Do

it

little

a

analogy

where they told the kids
I

drug

to "Just

said to you, in relation to that

say

and,

no

to your

credit, you

again.

16

Thank you.

17

MR. WEINBERG:

18

MR. KOEPPEL:

Identify yourself.
I'
m

Joel

Koeppel

with

19

Koeppel, Cooke &

20

and Lillian Schneider who

are

21

1089

diagonally

Gottlieb.

South Ocean which is

22

MR. WEINBERG:

23

MR. KOEPPEL:

24

MR. WEINBERG:

25

MR. KOEPPEL:

You

represent Leonard

I

have

property

been

have been

I

across

sworn

sworn

owners

at

from

in?

in.

Thank you.
Mr.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

the

to

Mayor,

Mr.

President,

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 207

1

Council members, you've heard

2

You

3

to

4

taking

5

want

6

everything

heard

have

lot of

a

circuit

short

a

else you

Mr. Rollins

7

8

plea

9

the

lot of what

bore you with

to

statistics.

practical approach.

a

and I
other

speakers

Everglades Club,

11

Club, there

would be

12

would be

Sailfish Club,

13

Club.

14

there would be

There would be
think

I

other

no

Bath &

Hotel.

looking for

Tennis
There

Country

20s

Merriweather Post built this

17

tax

18

maintenance

19

the

were

utopia

a

we

when Marjorie

16

costs.

of

anything.

should be

there

and

some

Palm Beach

no

15

structure

no

Breakers

no

if you're

back in the

statistics

and

up to him and

10

no

by

say

really don't

there would be

no

trying

am

very impassioned

a

was

that

I

heard.

has made
it

lawyers.

have to

I
I

numbers

have

think if

lot of

a

and there
there

no

There

were

a

were

was

no

high

no

lot of no's

at

time.

20

My clients

21

They

22

and

23

This

24

should be

25

those

it

see

as

are

a

not

plus.

to

this

club.

They think

it'
s

the best

opposed

brightest idea for the
is

a

use

magnificent piece

of

of this

property.

property that

preserved and that those members

individuals who want to

join

it

or

should
11

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 208

1

have

2

jewelry being

3

of property should be exposed and should be

4

used.

6

traffic,

7

I'
m

cars.

than

in

a

lot of

I

think

a

like

vault,

statistics
I'
m

going

of

piece

a

this

piece

about

walk home.

to

little afraid to go out there.

a

8

locked up

heard

I'
ve

5

it. Rather

to

access

have been to most

I

another.

of these clubs

one

9

time

or

10

I'
ve

practiced

11

years

12

and forth around the community

13

up in front of any of these clubs because of

14

members

15

obviously,

16

there may be

17

is

some

18

of

the club

19

and

20

approach, yes, there will be

more

21

don't

anything

22

horrible

23

that we've

heard.

24

get in and

out

25

properties

there? I'
m

and

I

law in this

don't

I

have been here

at

remember

when you

have

for

community
in my

ever

in and out.

going

for 20 years.

ever

major

times,

are

where

event

congestion and there obviously

some

congestion during rush hours, but

looking

think

back

trips

being tied

Now, there

a

20

most

facilities will be used at off hours
at

it

it'
s

numbers

of

from

going

a

practical

very

to

be

and these dooms
Will
side

traffic, but

streets

sure

to

or

a

these

day prophesies

affect the

it

like

I

some

ability
of

certain

to

the

effect,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 209

1

but

don't

2

as

3

the value

4

depends

5

club in your

6

it.

7

club, walk

8

facilities.

I

think

of the

the

across

Country club

9

idea

the

about

of

it affect

think that

I

having

My clients

area.

like

They

feel

disastrous

as

Will

properties?

how you

on

be

to

going

led to believe.

been

we've

it'
s

are

being

private

a

thrilled

able

by

join

to

and have club

street

in Florida

communities

are

10

built around country clubs, around club

11

facilities.

12

you'll

13

built

14

think it enhances the value rather than kills

15

the value.

16

see

You

can

big plus

is

the

about

18

big plus

19

been

20

think it will put

21

Beach.

for this

needed

for

a

And

I

that we're talking
think that's

I

Something

a

that's

very, very long time and I
star

a

MR. ILYINSKY:

23

MS. WEINER:

25

fact

community.

22

24

with residences

like that.

People

nonsectarian club.

17

a

anywhere around,

major club facilities

around them.

A

look

a

Who

Paul

on

was

the map

is

for Palm

that?

Rampell.

Was

that you,

Paul?
MR. KOEPPEL:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

I

don't want

to

prolong

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

my

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 210

1

appearance here.

2

statement

3

that not all property

4

this.

5

diagonally

6

there may be

some

effect.

7

blind to the

fact

that

8

more

9

far outweigh any negatives

I

I

that

so

the

represent

10

based

11

community

12

seems

13

this

thing

14

else

that's

15

take

that

on

the

and realizes
I

mean

going

pluses,

as

to

they

that may

much

a

and

a

best

17

MR. BLACKMAN:

sworn

19

lawyer,

20

local

21

the

recent

22

and

I

23

this

24

important part

25

Beach

My

name

which

idea than

use

I

Good

and

is

think

Wes

I

it,
and

in the
there

ask you

to

to

it'
s

a

plus

and

I

proceedings concerning

have

I

Blackman.

intensely interested

I'
m

now.

have
this

in the

of what makes

and all

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

been

not

I'
m

a

a

followed

property

outcome

is such
request because Lago
Mara-

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

see

anything

afternoon.

professional planner

County

some

consideration.

Thank you.

18

be

positive perspective

been before you

into

in.

more

not

occur

that

voice

that

they're

there's

to

is

who

wanted

just

16

am

owner

people

I

a

to

opposed

are

my speaking with other

be

to

owners

from here

But

make

just

Council would understand

property

a

across

traffic.

wanted to

really

of

an

up Palm Beach, Palm

of South Florida.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 211

1

it represents

considering today,

3

request, it represents

4

workable

5

preservation

6

lost too many important historic

resources

7

within the Town of Palm Beach

well

8

entire

9

act

of

approve the

10

to

11

has been
I

the

as

can

positive fashion today

and

that

special exception request

before

the Town

but

as

14

can

offer

15

in the trenches and

16

use

as

professional planner

a

a

issues

perspective

such

for my

one

of

someone

who has

who

qualifications,

am

20

years

21

including

22

transportation plan action, Zoning Code

23

administration.

24

planner for

25

to

where

in many different

a

a

I'
ve

Palm Beach

as

an

worked for four

planning capacities

plan review, concurrency,

Prior

to

municipality

consulting firm

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

been

currently

associate

City

of West

I

19

site

has

I

dealt with land

employed by

planner

that

these.

as

the

believe

I

citizen

private

a

18

that

a

presented.

come

As

as

believe the Town Council

I

13

17

strong compromise and

a

We have already
MarLego.
a--

progressive

a

special exception

for the continued

alternative

county.

in

the

is

what Council

2

12

I

feel

I

that
in

I

worked

Michigan

in the

state

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

as

and

a

prior

of

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.F. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 212

1

Michigan specializing

2

development.

3

Institute of Certified

4

Planning Association, Florida Chapter

5

the

I'
m

in

also

Palm Beach County

6

In my career

as

a

seen

8

I

9

rejected worthy plans

remember

to

10

their

11

minority that

12

in the

13

selfish

14

or

15

jurisdiction.

16

This

long

community

American

of APA and

Planning Congress.
professional planner

many missed opportunities.

care

and

member of the American

Planners,

a

7

planning

local

More

authorities

that

are

not

often than
have

examined

positive impact, rather

term

raises

issues

newspaper but
to

attempt

that may

usually

end up

I'
ve

a

look

being

for

vocal

good
a

halt progress, preservation,

physical development of yet political

week, May 9 through 15, is National

17

Preservation Week and it would be wonderful

18

the

19

of

20

the

21

opportunities.

of

Town
this

Palm Beach

week

and

could act
and

approve

property.
MarLago
a-

22

Today,

23

have

24

exception

25

district

an

as

a

result

opportunity
in the

to

RAA

adaptive

Good

of

spirit

use

planning

large

a

on

you

special

residential

use

for

creates

good planning,

approve

for private club

in the

if

estate

the historic

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 213

is

MarLago
aproperty.

2

special exception request.

3

once

4

preservation

5

South Florida's

most

6

will

opportunity

7

property

8

historical

9

structure

10

in

life time

a

also

to

an

a

It may well
to

opportunity

be

a

the

assure

and

in the

important landmark.

that

use

use

your average

Palm Beach's,
if not all of

of

be

not

is

to

manner

the

return

its

much closer to

that

one

It

the

utilizes

more

in which

it

was

originally designed.
By approving this request you will allow

11

ID

This

1

the establishment of

12

for

13

that will maintain and

14

into the

15

will

16

constituency

17

physical

18

to

19

available.

a

next

protect the property well
The

century.

estate
MarLago
a-

the ability in preservation

have

that will

provide

maintenance.
of

pool

The

20

vehicle

preservation

a

financial

21

being approached by

22

willing

23

preservation

24

come

by.

In

25

rare

tool

in the

dedicate

a

will

act

is

property

exterior

easements.

future
access

presently

not

now.

The Town is

owner

who

is

and interior

These

fact, interior

it'
s

also have

resources

to

opportunity

to

It

for

are

easy to

not

easements

are

preservation arsenal.

a

very

There's

ifl
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407) 659-

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515. 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 214

I

11*-)

1

no

guarantee that another

2

would value the historic

3

rather than the present

4

owner

5

structure without

6

as

7

deserves

the

8

future.

Granting

9

create

could sell

such

11

safeguards

12

property

13

Neither is the

14

special exception.

not

fact, another

do

this.

zoning

course, if

18

other regulatory agencies.
the

be

interest

of

in

21

concern

22

Tipton report.

Traffic

23

consideration.

I

24

understanding

25

studies.

traffic
and

since

the

have

have

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

chance;

I

seems

a

a

subject

and there

along
such

just
be

the
as

narrow

the
a

are

major

copy the

prime

difficult
of

time

in

multiple traffic

presented by

the

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

appropriate

requested

provided

was

is

to

will

place.

addressed

existence
one

and

the

this

ll
time, I'

that

yesterday

We

if

private club proceeds

20

on

or

matter

17

In

grand

as

Of course,

foolish if

other

19

the

special exception

16

the

fate

in the wrong

that will

of

support itself in the

concerning

a

property

A resource

provided

case

also

issues

In

this

clearly

is

the property

would be

approval

This

of

better

a

to

of

10

15

nature

owner.

the mechanism to

was

the

recourse.

ability

were

of

the entire contents

deserves
MarLago
a-

an

owner

applicant

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 215

1

which does meet

2

requirements

3

included in it and also meets the Town traffic

4

concurrency standards

5

back there.

6

terms

7

the

County concurrency

with the

I

and

50

at

traffic

studies

11

honest, objective attempt

12

traffic

to

be

four years

appears

I

was

were

keeping

three

to

score

one

result

driven

of

generation

and

agree with the

Tipton report

rather

than

determine

an

the

proposed property.

assumptions

portrayed

as

in the KimleyHorn report prepared by the

15

applicant

16

based

17

some

18

is

19

Actual

20

property

21

generation.

22

only

23

facilities

24

applicant

25

that

on

in that the
actual

land

a

are

the
Even

characteristics,

use

as

controlling

facilities

all

has

one

on

controlling

the

stated

facilities

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

For

that
at

the

in

of traffic

were

higher,

could

example,
the

use

the

the

application

club will be based

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

on

subject

factor

membership

time.

not

for traffic demand.

fact

small percentage of members
at

is

Membership

membership.

provided

if

data

trip generation

amorphous figure
the

and

reviewed at

have

the

to

the

I

14

not

in

that do not.

10

13

I

we're

guess

Over the past
least

that

assumptions

the studies that meet the standards

of

studies

8
9

the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 216

will

be

1

on

2

reservations

3

used

avoid any

to

Specifically,
of

conclusions

4

the

5

turn

6

conclusions.

to

Number

7

is

one

advanced

of

basis

congestion

or

like to address

each of

the

Tipton report.

If you

just

that the

the

through

run

proposed Lago
Mara-

8

Club and living quarters will generate

9

trips.

The

first

overuse.

I'
d

I'
ll

29

page

the

on

that

assumption is

703

daily

the

10

Club
proposed Lago
Mara-

11

I'
m

sorry

12

and

living quarters will generate 703 daily

13

trips.

14

original study.

15

there's

16

traffic.

17

remember that the club will

18

rooms, 75

19

tennis

court

20

dining

room

21

ten

22

It

23

and

24

Tipton report, 450 employees

25

were

And

a

times
also

that

this

the

is

excess

it

this

only

Again,

correlation between

seat

and
at

that

has

The

Tennis

of

facilities

eight

tennis

counted to

and

have

from the

10

guest

and

one

of

capacity

Club

the

could well
at

courts,

extensive beach cabanas.

that

assumes

staff

room, 70

Bath &
the

of the

and traffic

only

pool.

one

states

membership and

facilities

dining

conclusion

Club
proposed Lago
Mara-

in

Instead of

first

or

a

be

MarLago.
a-

large pool

According

to

the

employee trips
employee

lot.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 217

1

Given

2

employees, roughly

3

Club.
Maraproposed Lago

4

indication of the

two

The

5

trips per employee,
three

times

that of

Again,

magnitude

the

another

of difference.

second conclusion the Palm Beach County
the

total

6

Concurrency Analysis

as

7

been

calculation

8

the

9

trips generated

This

analyzed.

that there

assumption

from the
be

the

12

look at radius of

13

half mile.

14

30, 1993

15

public

16

the

standards with the employee

17

the

reduced

18

County did

19

second

20

addressed the

21

Kimley-Horn report

22

have

Kimley-Horn study

than
use

from

200

which

and neither

case

and

drawn

now

I

does

therefore you must

development influence

of

a

need only remind you of the March

I

letter

works

is

proposed

11

has

area

more

don't believe

to

the

are

10

23

225

that's

from Palm Beach County engineer

states, that the applicant meets

dining
not

room

change

letter.

The

their

assumptions

opinion

letter
that

it does

and/or

Furthermore, the

area.

first

so

shuttle

in the

merely

were

not

in the

mean

that

they

changed their opinion.
The

24

limits

25

110

one

percent of 137

because

trips

will

again

still within

Rimley-Horn study says

proceed north

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407)659-

the

is

on

North County

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 218

1

North

on

2

The
Boulevard

4

County Road and

5

the

in

front

6

requirements.

7

it'
s

8

as

9

Beach.

standards

based

current

apply

11

I'
m

individual

3

10

E-4-

Ocean.

Southern Boulevard

take

I

There

Ocean

on

in between
of Lago
Mara-

issue with this

methodology

that

is

not

in the Town

to

applied

does

not meet

of Palm Beach concurrency

methodology

all

link

roadway

for Town

on

What

to

sorry.

of

because

approved
Palm

applicant should

one

applicants.
existing

are

12

traffic circle but that

13

I

14

MarLago.
a-

traffic
is

problems

the

at

neither caused

nor

do

believe will be exacerbated by the club at

15

The

16

requirements of

17

valet, if

18

take

19

regular parking

20

up

will

parking

the

at

area

the

to meet

Charley's Crab,

traditional

Regarding

have

the

space per board members

one

look

we

still

parking

area

and

does

not

that

the

does.

arrivals

and

for

departures

21

special events,

22

certain

23

percent occupancy of 75 seats at lunch then you

24

are

25

property.

not

period

going

that will

of

to

time.

have

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

257

be, again,
And

if

cars

you

have

parked

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

over

on

a

60

the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 219

i

1

And the

last

conclusion the Bath &

I

Tennis

2

Club is

3

special exception

4

dealing

5

certain constraints

6

adaptive

7

generations.

It

8

field with

interstate running by it,but

9

not.

10

better

a

with

is

rather

historic

and

use

an

is my

It

location than

there.

that

opinion

12

concurrency

13

reasonable assumptions

14

generation potential

15

workable

16

valets

17

the

for

the

use

19

would pose

no

20

properties

that

21

manner.

the

a

it'
s

study

traffic
The

property.

special

events.

agreed upon by the applicant

have

a

impact
not

been

to

adjacent

mitigated

minimum of

24

the preservation of the structure.

25

meets

a

maximum benefit

the Town standards

for the

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

some

I

towards
believe

granting

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

in

use

intensification with

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

in

were

County

the

23

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

it

provision of parking

adverse

represents

an

believe that the proposed

I

and conditions

18

It

the

make

to

study contains

assist and accommodate

Furthermore,

22

if

regarding

of

are

traffic

The

We're

future

meets

requirements.

plan

for

the

applicant

There

want

would be great

submitted

to

We

it

provide

MarLago
a-

immaterial.

property.

11

by

the

of

it
a

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 220

1

special exception

2

residential

3

historical

4

urge

5

opportunity by affirmatively responding

6

request and

7

8

10

I

I

live

Town of

MS. SMITH:

15

MR. KOLLINS:

16

and ask any

17

indicate that?

19

MR. KOLLINS:

could

indicated

ask

things

this
to

this

name

and

714

Blackman and

Wes

South H

not

a

Street.

resident of the

I'
d like to take your offer

during

like to
if

I

of

Not

I

any witness.

Did you

now.

thought you indicated

questions.
I

the

MR. KOLLINS:

25

seize

I

m not.
No, I'

MR. RANDOLPH:

would

is

name

are

questions

MR. WEINBERG:

24

Palm Beach

Thank you very much.

18

23

of

future

Palm Beach?

14

people

My

You

MR. BLACKMAN:

22

Town

didn't hear your

in Lake Worth.

MS. SMITH:

21

the

for the

when you started.

13

20

of

and

state

thank you.

MR. BLACKMAN:

11
12

integrity

largest

the Council to act and to

address

I

RAA

zoning district

MS. SMITH:

9

in the

I

inquire

thought

that you

had

period for the public.
will
of

be very

brief, but

Mr. Blackman

of

a

I

few

might.

3
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 221

1

MR. WEINBERG:

2

MR. KOLLINS:

3

Mr. Blackman

4

Lake Worth.

I

With your permission, I will.

6

MR. KOLLINS:

7

Do you

8

Palm Beach other

9

drive

12
13

City of

live in

you

Palm Beach.

West

City of

The

Palm

West

Beach.

have any connection with the Town of
than

like

casually

all

we

might

through?
No.

MR. BLACKMAN:

Beach

that

Where do you work?

MR. BLACKMAN:

11

know where

we

5

10

might.

guess you

I'
m

a

resident

Palm

of

County.

Okay.

MR. KOLLINS:

And

are

a

you

traffic

engineer?
No.

MR. BLACKMAN:

14

But

I

have the

am

15

concurrency section of the City of West Palm

16

Beach.

17

but

18

analysis experience

19

Beach and all concurrency

20

city

21

from the

22

Performance

23
24
25

I

I'
m not

do

have

a

a

significant

through

come

registered

with the

my desk

traffic
amount

engineer

of

City of

traffic
West

applications
as

well

as

Palm

for the

letters

County concerning their County

Traffic

Standards.

MR. KOLLINS:

Who

gave you

a

copy of

the

Tipton report?
MR. BLACKMAN:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

That

was

made

available

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

by

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 222

1

Mr.

Rampell.

2

MR. KOLLINS:

3

what you're

4

It'
s

a

6

MR. BLACKMAN:

MR. KOLLINS:

without any

reason

No.

It

perfectly okay.
be

can

12

MR. KOLLINS:

here.

analyze
on

was

my

this?

own

You went

to

whatsoever

Mr.

and

Rampell

asked

him

for

BLACKMAN; It's been in the paper.
How

did you

know about

the

Tipton report?

14

I

MR. BLACKMAN:

the

current

16

called

and

asked

MR. KOLLINS:

You

had

no

dealings

other Trump

18

Rampell; simply your initiating your

19

get

the

him for

information.

17

representative

with

any

other than Mr.
contact

to

report?

20

MR. BLACKMAN:

21

MR. KOLLINS:

22

MR. BLACKMAN:

23

MR. KOLLINS:

24

understand

the report?
MR.

15

You

is

ask you to

Rampell

11

13

which

to

volition.

8

10

want

just

public hearing.

Did Mr.

9

I

doing here,

5

7

So

That's

correct.

When did you

get

it?

all

of

Yesterday.
You

prepared

this

yesterday

25

MR. BLACKMAN:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Yes, sir.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 223

2

Worth, you work in

3

interested in what's

MR. KOLLINS:

6

Thank you, Mr. President.

7

MR. WEINBERG:

8

crossexamination.

We're

I

want

MR. ILYINSKY:

You

11

MR. WEINBERG:

We're

may.

There

no

I

MR. CHOPIN:

15

MR. WEINBERG:

16

MR. CHOPIN:

17

to

pick

18

19

plan.

going

ask

a

to

have

question

you

ask

to

ahead
he

and

left.

Where

analyze any

one

of

is

question.

ask
I

it.

think he had

he?

the

other

traffic

reports, all four of them?
MR. BLACKMAN:

21

the

22

which

I

Kimley-Horn study

23

25

his

Did you

20

24

up

But

question.

stop him.

not

to

want

Go

one

fire.

cross

14

ask

can't

If you want
be

interested in

not

to

10

13

are

Thank you.

MR. CHOPIN:

fire.

and you

Yes.

5

cross

in Lake

on?

going

MR. BLACKMAN:

12

live

Palm Beach

West

4

9

1j,

because you

MR. KOLLINS:

1

I

the

addressed

and to the

myself

to

Tipton report

saw.

MR. CHOPIN:

that

only

Town

You

paid

MR. BLACKMAN:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

didn't look at the

one

for?
No.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407)338-

 224

1

MR. CHOPIN:

2

MR. WEINBERG:

3

MR. KOLLINS:

5

Please

forgive

6

forgot

to

7

request that the

8

presented

9

to

your

With your

say this before

to

subject?
I

permission
would

I

and

I

like

the court reporter and Town

attorney

may.

to

exhibits which I

seven

yourselves

be

clerk,

introduced

and accepted into the court, (
sic.)
MR. WEINBERG:

12

MS. SHAPIRO:

13

have two

14

Club.

15

preservation

16

My first

My

for

reasons

problem.

No

is

name

Kathy Shapiro.

supporting
is my

reason

the

I

MarLago
a-

for the

hope

of Lago.
Mara-

MR. WEINBERG:

you been sworn? And

Have

indicate where you do reside.

18

MS. SHAPIRO:

Yes.

19

Beach

20

for the past

21

Gottfried and six years

22

International

23

this

on

Procedural matter if

me.

11

17

there any other public

Are

members who wish to speak

4

10

Thank you.

and

in West

have been in Palm Beach real

I

12

estate

years; six years with Martha

ago

I

24

Landmark Architecture

25

Hoffstot.

I

Palm

with Sotheby's

Realty.

Ten years

was

bought
of

a

book called

Palm Beach

very sorry that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

reside

I

I

by

Barbara

had

already

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 225

1

missed

seeing

2

Inca's

and El Mirasol

3

El

4

we've

5

carved up.

is
MarLago
a-

6

It would be

ashame

7

nothing

Mirasol

8
9

seen

great old

and that

only

the

Bolton estate

than

street

my second

reason

for

is

it'
s

11

clubs

12

policies they preferred

13

be

14

choose.

15

clubs,

16

Palm Beach to offer

17

people

18

heterogeneous

19

Club
MarLago
a-

I

but

have

I

no

believe

that

and

the

the

that member

there

who wish to
We

time

has

us

this

at

take

a

a

more

25

problems

see

and

the

of the

and the

then

staff

address

the

recommendations

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

public

time?

recess

of the Town of Palm Beach will

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

for

delay.

24

they

come

Please approve the

any other members

will, then,

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

they

Thank you.

address

that

should

alternative and for

an

without

Are

private

wish to disturb the existing

group.

21

the

membership

who choose to associate with

MR. WEINBERG:

as

nondiscriminatory

do believe

I

estate.

great

associate with whomever

to

estate

supporting

entitled to whatever

20

23

last

name.

membership policy.

22

the

an

then .

and Blasama

street

allowed

Inca's

Since

names.

Las

as

to end up
for Lago
Mara-

10

are

Las

now

a

Club
MarLago
a-

such

estate

are

more

I

the

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 226

a

1

which

make

to

us

2

then we'll

go into

an

Executive Session

3

thereafter.

they'll

4

Thereupon,

5

MR. WEINBERG:

a

6

finished.

Miss

7

permission

to make

8

time.

9

go into the staff

When

recess

The

she

taken.)

was

asked for

statement to
her

completes

11

and be

subject

12

time.

Is

to

14

MS. HOFFSTOT:

17

place

inquiries

able to be

on

room

did not

hear

and

19

Mr.

name

20

at

lunch time

21

as

far

22

favored the Lago
Club plan.
Mara-

23

for

24

I

25

Mr.

Rampell

use

I

I

am

my

had

against

so

several

it

and

Rampell

that there's

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

hear his

or

this

quote, but

people misquote

concerned, in saying that

did say to Mr.

Trump

I

and I would

in the

morning physically

or

that

at

the record.

18

it

will

we

and reports

Hoffstot

objection

an

not

was

as

this

Thank you very much

I'
m Barbara

Weinberg.

I

at

us

that understood? Thank you very much.

Mrs. Hoffstot.

like to

and

queries

13

16

special

aspect of this during which

time the staff will make comments

Mr.

is

statement

10

15

and

subject

public aspect

Hoffstot
a

this

on

I

just

and what
no

I

to

am

not

say what

also said to

misunderstanding.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

I

Now, I

want

me,

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 227

1

said

I

if

this

plan goes through

2

preservation

3

fail

4

reason

5

into

6

and

7

guess

8

record to show my position.

in two years

why

we

him

own

That's

precisely

Rampell said,

apology, but

an

10

MR. WEINBERG:

11

Thank

12

We

The

record will

now

the staff

on

aspect of

MR. MOORE:

like

Mr.

Weinberg,

then

I

want

said

the

show that.

meeting

our

16

department

17

reviewed and consultants

18

application

19

upon the summary of these remarks

20

give

you

to

advise you

before

would

and

heads

here

are

in

just

a

and

administrator has

23

complete

and

Town
events

and

the

I

that

have

reviewed this
are

is

the

found that

available
that

to

I

expand
will

traffic

zoning
the

application

is

before you.

comments

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

start

moment.

properly

Manager

I

that each of the

the persons

Mr. Zimmerman who

22

25

I

you.

15

24

going

what

just

I

the

today.

14

21

and

is

Thank you.

9

13

and that

asking questions

were

that's what Mr.
I

succeed and not

five years

or

such details.
if

it will

hope

we

hope

we

relate to the

special

and he would want to have

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place

Suite 205

100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 228

1

he wanted to have additional details

2

special events; proposed

3

coordination with the Bath &

4

would wanted to

5

identified earlier that the property east of

6

Ocean

7

title.

8

specific detail

on

9

development

and how

Boulevard would be

use

the

believe the

14

arrived

Club.

He

in

of

unity

a

of

docks

of title and the

it would be related to

tunnel.

question

included

unity

11

13

Tennis

would like to have you consider

He

the coastal construction

I

and the

van

he asked for and they have

10

12

shuttle

the

on

line and underground

has

applicant
in

a

late

dealt with the

submittal

that

yesterday.

15

The

16

Traffic

has

police department
and

several

concerns:

Establish

congestion.

17

accurate

18

proposed activity including peak

19

any

20

events

21

departures; perhaps prohibiting activity

22

specific

23

occurring

24

up traffic to

25

entrance

number of

conflicts

scheduling
avoiding

times
at

in

season

in

season

Charley's
to

rush

season; resolve

hour

rush hour

Crab

routine

arrival

and

and

at

are

can

presently.

back

The

stacking problem

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

or

bridge openings

resolve the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

related to

for special

of the day;

an

needs

daily trips

an

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 229

1

at

the main

2

onto

3

occasions

4

South Ocean Boulevard and

5

stack lane

6

gridlock

7

lefthand

Ocean Boulevard

8

9

portico guest discharge
during special

by providing

on

of

northbound

entry from

righthand

a

turn

traffic by adding

lane/
stacking

Exiting.

10

recommending adding

11

the

12

property.

flat

a

bridge

That

again

13

Membership

14

privileges extending

15

members

16

membership

17

requirement.

18

concern

19

Club

of the

area

are

west

corner

of

near

the

Southern Boulevard.
Collateral

counts.
to

They

gate further

new

is

Southern

on

be unsafe.

to

a

lane.

gate exit

Present

thought

small

lane

event

South Ocean Boulevard; reduce the

turn

Boulevard

two

a

out

area

the

Bath &

membership
Tennis

Club

may need to be counted and the total
allowed

as

access

believe

I

earlier

they

tunnel

by

is

not

a

identified that

by eliminating

the Bath &

Tennis

membership.

20

The

police department

has

a

concern

over

21

the

possible

22

the

property and would like that addressed.

23

Special

24

permitted

25

detail.

use

of

attendance.

event

must

be

clearly

Recommend

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

helicopters

setting

to

limit

on

events

in sufficient
on

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

landed

Special

defined
a

be

the

number

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 230

1

of

2

Recommend

3

such

people

4

as

grounds for

the

on

tents.

All

site.

Do

required parking

on

6

existing parking levels.
Public works.

8

Public works

9

won't

the Town engineer has

as

read word for word his

11

lane

12

lefthand turn lane.

they

north bound

14

resolved at times when

15

for any

change

16

grassed

area

17
18

19

Again,

Club which is

the

stacking

A

to

or

be

would be

parking

I

needed

and the

area

property.

reference
not

need

permit

a

within the

on

a

still

the

his

on

Ocean Boulevard

on

issues

drainage

and

concerns

relate to traffic.

summary, but

The

in

representing

Mr. Bowser

10

13

remain

must

recommend any reduction

not

5

on

390.

at

of temporary structures

prohibition

Parking.

7

any event

an

to

issue

the Bath &
at

this

Tennis

point.

shall be
MaraSewage generation from Lago

20

calculated

21

acceptable by engineer professional

22

acceptable

23

should be

24

capacity.

25

expense rather than shared expense

using

to

a

Town

compared

methodology generally

engineer.
to

Sewage generation

existing station's

Any upgrade would be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

the

and

at

the

by

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

owner's

the Town

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center

100 S.F. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 231

1

because

2

and

3

well.

4

storm

5

shall
MarLago
a-

6

expense.

an

it is currently

would need to be

Existing

sewer

drain

8

agreed

9

fire

owner's

easement

that

property

required

overflow valve

as

the

on

system which currently exists

this

on

removed at the owner's

be

Fire Marshall

7

the

on

Wandell's
is

building

It

comments.

for

candidate

a

is
a

sprinkler protection system per code and
has

10

Mr. Lawrence

11

correspondence
The

12

indicated that

to

concerns

have

in his

the Town.
about traffic
been

during large
resolved

13

functions

14

to the fire marshall's feeling of comfort and

15

I'
m

16

but this

not

sure

not

satisfactorily

whether they

18

is

19

and will

20

Mr. Lawrence.

21

Building

the

required by
be

today,

dated May 5.

was

The need for outside

17

resolved

were

site

on

standard

22

use

23

bring

the

24

codes

including

25

system.

hydrant

Protection Code

Fire

installed per verbal

Construction

fire

agreement with

Code.

change

A

in

would technically require the applicant to
structure

the

Applicant

up

to

requirement
has

construction

current

agreed

to

of

a

sprinkler

addition

of

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 232

1

sprinkler system.

2

requirements

3

application

4

reviews

5

additions, changes

6

both

7

they technically

8

Lawrence

9

And

10

concerns

regarding

11

property

and

12

have

may be
and

for

in

such

interior

All

other

construction

addressed at time of permit

conjunction

with

handrails

to

and exterior.

still

this

at

and

stairways

Number of

need to be

stories,

defined

I

Mr. Frank will

point

will

Mr.

by

the

landmark

continue

status

after his

of

the

concerns

Thank you.

14

Many of these

concerns

since the

16

memoranda before

of the

17

concerned that

cost

18

generated

19

maintenance are; what the effective

20

capital components

21

replacement

22

should be

23

exemplary condition.

applicant

a

which

had

have been addressed

15

shows

copies

of

these

meeting, however,

what the cost of

and

the

life

schedule

subject

of

property

income

tax

deduction

easements

of

should

the

preservation

is

for

keep

to

we're

break down should be

and deferred maintenance

prepared

donation of

give his

forth.

MR. FRANK:

25

as

with Mr. Ackerman.

been put

The

preservation

consideration such

13

24

code

in

should be

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One Centrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 233

1

clarified.
definitive

landscape improvements

2

A more

3

plan should

be

4

performance

standards.

5

submitted to

6

Commission

7

certificate of

This

approval

prepared
of

10

costs

11

historic

12

and

An

issuance

of

should be

which outlines of methodologies
the

maintaining

components found

acceptable

be

The

to

lessen

applicant

present

17

related to

18

Town

a

special

measures

events

unique

should be
that

need to

impact.

should prevent
to

and

site.

scenario

adverse

plan designed

16

the

on

traffic

14

employed

and

special

developed with mitigating

15

should be

appropriateness.

13

19

measure

on

Preservation

the Landmarks

for

based

Complete preservation plan

8

9

that's

developed

I'
m

sorry

mitigate problems
that would protect the

from adverse conditions.
S. Secretary of
The U.

20

for Rehabilitation

21

proposal

22

standards which

23

development

24

architecture.

25

structures.

to

include

of

are

Interior

should be

updated
of

Standards
for this

Palm Beach

the

Town

not

in conflict with the

Mediterranean Revival
is
MarLago
a-

one

of

form of
these

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407)3380955

 234

The method

1

needs

2

areas

3

specification

4

areas

5

be evaluated.

of

be

to

of

7

MR. MOORE:

the

9

you is

like

This

That's

of

a

more

and material

was

detailed

used of

and erosion

drainage

issue

Mr.

the

can

addressed earlier.

requesting

large

11

special exception

President, Mayor, members

application which is before

this

Council,

of

change

a

private

use

property,

the

permitted

residential

single family

estate

The

needs

completes my summary.

10

12

or

design

concern

6

8

maintaining the grass parking

of

of

to

club.

and

Town

use

national

13

landmark has been restored and maintained by the

14

current

15

An

owner to this date.

adjacent

ocean

parcel,

16

landmarked, has been returned

17

ownership
The

18

it

as

was

applicant

years
has

19

costs

20

property is impractical

21

continuously

22

estate.

23

these

24

shoulders

25

while not

to

the

ago.

represented

that

associated with the maintenance

He

own

is

burdens
and

for

of

a

and maintain

requesting
his

costs

same

of the

single person
as

a

that you

be

the

to

private
consider

removed from his

spread among club members.

The type of

use

which is

a

private

social

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
6723
Area Code (305) 525-

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor

2499 Glades Road

Suite 206

Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407)338-

 235

permitted only by special exception in

1

club

is

2

this

RAA

3

ordinances

4

require

5

findings prior

6

exception.

7

In

district.

zoning

Section

640

the

granting

to

consideration

8

sections

9

having jurisdiction

of

code

Town

and

640, 960

Council to make

Town

the

The Town's

this

those

and

zoning
961

series

a

special

applicable

several

departments

this matter have

over

10

reviewed this

11

their written comments

12

have previously forwarded those comments

13

and

14

earlier.

I

have

application

summarized

You will

15

note

to

some

that

in

that the traffic

16

comments

17

concern

18

applicant

19

to

20

periods

21

use

22

through April.

23

traffic

24

departments,

25

proposal

which needs
in

ingress
of

be

and have
this

and

egress

rush hour

concerns

the

In

for

forwarded
We

department.
to

you

of those comments

review and the

our

is

significant

a

addressed

detail, particularly

periods during

is

to

of

special

traffic

as

by

the

it

relates

events

during

and in during prime

the months

of

December

addition to the general

expressed by
Town must

be

the various

assured that the

consistent with the

traffic element

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 236

1

of

the

2

Comprehensive Plan.

Town's

Mr. Brisson

that

3

speak

4

Weidner who

5

Frederick R.

6

the

to

of

in

is

moment

a

will

Adley, Brisson, Engman
will Mr.

as

representing

Jeffrey

traffic

our

engineer

Harris, Incorporated will speak

to

traffic.
Another matter which relates

7

8

concerns

9

zoning

of

this

office

the matters

are

a

Mr. Zimmerman

11

proposal guest bedrooms

12

by

13

There

14

matter

15

satisfaction

regard

permitted

to

the

to

be used

and/or their bona fide guests.

Club members

significant

concerns

should be resolved

which

of

by

and Mr. Brisson in
be

the

standpoint

addressed

10

are

from

to

of

relating

this

to

the

to

you the Town Council.

X

16

Finally,

in the event

17

granted by

the

18

exception

19

acceptable

20

representations

21

application

22

agreed upon.

23

In

it

the

25

applicant

is

and

of
as

must

for
that

enforcement

they

an

approval

is

special
a

of

mutually
the

have been made

in the

hereby by the applicant today

event

application

Council

imperative

means

the

24

Town

that

that

the

Council

it would be
obtain

a

does

noted that

be

approve

the

certificate of

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 237

1

appropriateness

2

Commission

3

or

Preservation

from the Landmarks

for any desired exterior

building

or

grounds changes.
The

4

issues

two

that

6

provided

7

at

8

and

9

zoning issue,

were

this

for you earlier

point

I

earlier

about

spoke

in that memorandum which

related

5

that

on

May 10,

I

would

I

now

being the Comprehensive Plan

one

concurrency and compliance with it and the

10

first.

11

and

Mr. Brisson will

Mr. Weidner will

traffic

13

evening,

14

gentlemen

15

For

Mr.

Thank you, Mr. Moore.

the

record my

senior vice

am

17

Engman.

18

and have been

19

personally

20

firm's work for

21

for

22

I

14

have

Good

President, Mayor, ladies and

16

last

concurrency

the Council.

of

We

to

that

to

second.

MR. BRISSON:

12

speak

speak

president

are

is

name

of

Bill

Brisson.

I

Adley, Brisson,

the Town's consulting planner
since

so

the mid

been responsible

planning

and

1960s.

I

have

for all of

our

zoning in

the

Town

years.
reviewed

23

the

addendum that

24

and

submitted to you

25

which

the

submitted

was

incorporated

a

submission and

original
by

the

applicant

memorandum dated May

my comments.

I

6

will

4
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515,

1

Financial Plaza

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 238

1

summarize

2

the

First

of

all, this

3

with two

4

application

5

appropriateness

6

rooms

7

zoning district.

8
9

issues.

and

One

with the

it'
s

application

of

the

the

should the Council

11

exception,

12

with

this

now.

primarily

consistency

of the

comp

plan and the

club

encompassing guest

comp

plan

find to

would be

the

RAA

found that the

I

submitted and, the

as

10

13

a

those

dealt

memo

was

of

appropriateness with

Regarding

all

substantive

more

fact

that

approve the

entirely

special

consistent

aspects of the Comprehensive Plan.

There

two

are

substantive

in the

14

Comprehensive

15

The

16

regard

17

belief, in my opinion, and firm opinion that the

18

application

would be

19

concurrency

requirements

20

then defer any

21

Mr. Weidner who

22

investigation

23

characteristics.

24
25

first is
to

Plan which I'
ll

issues

concurrency,

traffic.

more

has

of

the

Aside

address

briefly.
with

particularly

from saying it is my

consistent with the
of

the

plan,

I

will

detailed discussion to
done

a

more

detailed

actual traffic

With regard to the land

use

question

the

property is presently located in the single

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515,

1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 239

1

family

residential

2

category allows private

3

to

4

Plan.

5

that land

6

group

7

limited basis.

8

private

9

accessory

private

as

Now

allows

in the

uses

group

This

category.

use

what

refer

we

Comprehensive

private club is incorporated within

a

The

club

is

It

category.

use

use.

land

quote private

a

comp plan allows
The

such

Ordinance

Zoning

in the RAA district
I'
m

10

use

11

Comprehensive

12

that

private

13

uses

and

14

limited basis.

15

exception

16

the

and this

makes

it

Plan's
clubs

private

this

as

sorry

a

on

allows

as

a

a

an

special exception

a

consistent with the
limitation where

will

be

allowed

By virtue of it being
that

it

says

private group

or

clubs will be

makes

use

on

a

a

special

aspect consistent with

Comprehensive Plan.

17

Regarding

the appropriateness

18

rooms

19

that

20

the

21

special exception.

22

also

23

incident

24

exception

25

would be

in the

RAA district

need to be
RAA

looked at.

district does

allows
to

permitted

or

the

are

the

that

guest
four

first is

private

Secondly,
uses

So

The

allow

accessory

uses.

there

of

issues
that

clubs

as

RAA district

are

customarily

approved special
proposed development

consistent with those two

zoning

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (305)3712713

Area Code (407) 3380955

 240

1

aspects.

2

Now, the definition of private club

3

includes

4

an

accessory

5

as

a

6

definition of

7

would

8

a

9

business

business.

not be

10

is

club.

as

associated with

on

in the

then

rooms

a

customarily

a

a

club.

private

item has been touched upon earlier and

this relates to whether

12

as

13

equivalent

14

the

15

there would be

16

club if

17

district except

18

employees.

in the

proposed

of

it'
s

not

the

guest

application

are

the

or

living quarters

definition.

I

items

Guest

being allowed

11

19

of

as

carried

customarily

one

are

in conflict with the definition of

use

Last

This

are

private

club

private

that

use

services that

for

provision

a

The

no

as

contemplated

definition states
in

living quarters

located
for

in

a

private
zoning

for

living quarters

of

the

Town

20

Council back in the ' 84-'
85

21

reviewed the

22

opinion

23

Zoning

24

quarters only for employees of residential

25

districts, that

zoning

Zoning Ordinance

that when

the

Ordinance which

was

change

and
was

allowed

based

on

the

season;
it

is

added

the

in

that

a

residential

have reviewed the actions

rooms

my firm
into the

living

fact that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371.2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 241

living quarters

2

multifamily living quarters

3

rooms.

4

and

5

during

that

6

do

qualify

7

they

the

not

staff

and not guest

and recommendations

administration

time.
as

in that

So

regard guest

facilities.

s my opinion, in
So, it'

is

a

persuaded

rooms

11

clubs, then it would be consistent

12

zoning

13

guest

14

exception

in

rooms

a

in the

Now, if the

15

17

a

18

the

19

prohibit

20

club.

21

interpretation and

22

whether you believe

23

customary

Zoning

24

25

I

for

any

It

are

then

Ordinance

that
is

to

the

to

allow

special

a

as

is

Council

Town

that guest

private club,

club

guest

RAA district.

16

rooms

with

Zoning Ordinance
private

that

private

to

customarily accessory

ordinances

position,

summary

10

are

rooms

because

units

multifamily

that if the Town Council

the minutes

in both

documented

was

do not have cooking

8
9

That

were

be

to

contemplated

1

a

not

customarily

persuaded

accessory to

it would be consistent with
for

the

Council to

Town

particular aspect

of

the

entirely dependent

on

your

a

private

of

matter

that use,

private

persuasion
guest

as

rooms,

to

are

clubs.

thank you very much

and

I

am

available

questions you should have.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 242

1

MR. MOORE:

Before Mr. Weidner

2

and

3

clarification.

4

reports that have been distributed.

speaks,

5

would like to have

I

We've

Frederick R. Harris

and

6

engineer

7

its

8

which, of course,

9

Regional,

10

had

is

assisted the

the

Town

traffic

was

Palm Beach

in

and

of

development
element
Treasure

accepted by
County

traffic

Town's

Plan and traffic

Comprehensive

point of

one

several

ahead

goes

Coast

ultimately the

Department of Community Affairs.

11

Mr. Weidner

12

a

individual

13

phonetic)

14

engineer

15

Palm Beach

16

today

17

received

18

who

here

is

Weidman

is

Town

County and

that the

19

County's

20

Walker

sent

the

21

report

to

22

and

23

reviewed

24

been

25

additional

Traffic

by

our

the

it

was

actual

traffic

which

we

of

have

this

traffic

Palm Beach

and has

traffic

did

comments

provided originally
comments

to

Mr.

engineering
late

engineers
he

only

earlier.

Engineering Department,

fax

of

mentioned earlier

Tipton spoke

generosity

Tokus,

generosity

the

through

Mr.

during the night
it

is

Tipton report,

today, and

Through

who

Weidner is
Mr. Phil

representing

today

for the

is

yesterday

study it;has
not

all

which will

only

that have

concerned but
now

include

the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 243

i

1

Tipton report

2

the

Town

3

Mr.

Weidner,

4

and

respond.

that

this

at

MR. WEIDNER:

5
6

Jeffrey Weidner.

7

memorandum

8

R. Harris

9

Preservation Plan

10

that

11

I

record my

the

concerns

of

the

The

results

indicate

Palm Beach

14

limitations

15

improvements

16

anticipated congestion

the

County and the

with

Town

required

to

for

19

following assumptions

20

incorporated
Club

the

facilities

23

reciprocal

24

facilities; prohibition

25

Bath &

Tennis

limited to

are

on

the

formally

Bath &
of

Club guests

those

There will

proposal.
the

based

proposal:

indicated in the
of

access

now

are

in

events.

that need to be

22

use

of

specific

mitigate

special

and

will

access

Concurrency requirements and

performed

comments.

requirements

attached and that

analyses

and

applicant

the current concurrency

18

Frederick

Use

previous

our

13

a

addendum to that plan

in the

provided per

Special

is

name

for you

was

into

go ahead

prepared

in review of

were

point,

have

meet

21

the

For

outlining

are

this

at

introduce you to

12

17

And,

meeting.

will

I

received here today by

was

Tennis

no

Club

Woodbridge
from

be

parking

Road
on

and
site.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building

Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E.2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)33840955

 244

Indicate

1

an

2

restrictions will

3

traffic.

4

Limit

the

5

Provide

be

implemented

membership

information
traffic

6

special

7

entrance

on

8

provided

to me

9

satisfaction.

event

shuttle

employee

reduce

average and

to

volumes

for the service

Southern Boulevard.
this

to

611.

to

as

dining

or

That

was

Mr. Pollock

to

County requirements by providing

an

morning by

10

Meet

11

assurance

12

conformance with the County Wide Traffic

13

Performance Ordinance.

of

the

trip

my

reduction plan in

ZAL

14
15

limit

16

p.
m.

17

only.

18

special
on

I'
m

Boulevard

20

paved path

an

off

on

site

Mr. Moore

afternoon

23

Tipton report

24

utilize

site turn

to

has

received

I

some

Based

on

and

was

after

6

weekdays

lane

on

serve

the

Ocean

provide

parking

a

areas.

indicated, yesterday
from Charlie Walker
able

to

analyze

it

the
and

information from that.
information provided in that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

On

Southern Boulevard and

or

22

25

weekends.

and

390;

sorry.

Provide

As

to weekends

events

weekdays and

19

21

j

Restrict special event attendance to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 245

of my restrictions.

1

report I have revised

2

The

3

relative to the

4

the existing

5

Based

6

the existing trip generation
MarLago
a-

7

existing

8

approximately 113 average per day.

9

to

report provided

the

the

at

of
and

of

out

71

trips

Bath &
for

information

into
MarLago
a-

Tennis Club.

the

existing

rate

That

Tuesday; 93

a

177

on

Wednesday

11

is pretty much consistent with the Pollock

12

report

I

13

indicated

existing

mean

the

on

was

a

That

Thursday.

a

Kimley-Horn report

use

or

refers

10

I

of

use

is
MarLago
a-

on

believe

of

use

information

traffic

use

detailed

more

existing

use

the

on

some

which

103.
Tennis

Club

15

counts, however, indicated that the traffic

from

16

the

17

than the

18

detailed.

In addition

14

19

Bath &

that,

to

Tennis

Club

was

the

much

Kimley-Horn report;

Based

on

that

the

limited

21

339

and based

22

indicating

23

against

24

Performance Standards

25

200

the

membership

the

the

information

Palm Beach

allowable

I

much

more

have

revised

restriction

trip credit,

as

significant

more

was

information

20

on

Bath &

I

from 611 to

provided
refer

to

it

County Traffic
Ordinance,

to

113

plus

the

underneath the ordinance, to allow

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
23rd Floor
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 246

1

the

2

So

I

3

be

limiting

4

members.

proposed

offer to you that
the

Thank you.

6

MR. MOORE:

8

submitted and that

9

given
of

do

is

all

to

trips per day

documents
have

we

Mrs. Peters

the

11

have

313

be

That

is

the

staff

before you

and

report

13

questions that you may have.

we

14

MR. WEINBERG:

Mr.

15

MR. RANDOLPH:

I

16

announced the

17

Mr.

18

opportunity

to

19

then have

final

20

I

21

point.

believe

a

been
and

submitted

as

part

the

application

to

ready

answer

any

believe

the way you

earlier
the

this

staff

had

morning,
an

comment, that the applicant would

opportunity
the

22

MR. WEINBERG:

23

MR. CIKLIN:

Mr.

on

Randolph.

after

was

that's

Council, my

are

proceedings

President,

As

have

record.

that's

25

339

or

would like

we

passed along

of

copies

what

that

12

24

the restrictions

addition,

In

7

of

one

site to

5

10

generate 313 trips per day.

to

use

name

to

stage we're

That's

Mr.

address
at

at

you and

this

correct.

Mayor, members of the

the Alan Ciklin.

Rampell

indicated

earlier,

I

have

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5258723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 247

1

been involved in this

2

as

3

sure

4

and that

5

can

6

been

7

surpassed

a

overseer

that

met

we

all

to

of

the very

try

And

here

presented
those

10

because

if

11

from

12

we've

13

it'
s

14

explain

15

a

16

exception.

17

which the

18

proven

19

the

20

interest.

I

were

the

misnomer.

that

sound

to

it

so

after what's
we

have, in fact,

I

legalistic,

to

a

is

is

somewhat of

special

permitted

applicant

think

I

just briefly

not

really

It'
s

think

I

explain why

special exception

It'
s

heard,

I'
ve

legal requirements

probably appropriate
a

posture

a

you, I wouldn't want to hear

the

surpassed

that

in

lawyers

to

in order

But

me.

make

legal requirements.

don't want

certainly

to

legal requirements

believe

today

after all

I

I

beginning

best

our

your

the application is

be approved.

8
9

type of

since

use

or

an

actually

entitled unless

it

to

is

substantial competent evidence that

by

request would adversely affect the public

21

The

initial

22

correctly

23

to

24

ordinance.

As

25

done

Once

meet

stated

the

that.

burden, and
before, is

on

this

think

us.

And that

your staff has
that's

been

indicated

done,

as

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

it

was

is

in the

application requirements

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

I

we

has

have
been

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 248

1

the

case, the burden

2

essence, become

3

to

4

has been

presented

5

that the

application

6

interest

or

7

substantial competent evidence that

8

to, in fact, grant the application.

determine

9

if

if

the

shifts to you.

jury, if you will,

and

judge

You, in

competent substantial evidence

support the conclusion

to

it

is

is

adverse to

the

determined

not

public

by
it'
s

adverse

Now, the question in competency and

10

substantial

11

of

12

substantial

13

opinion of neighbors if they're

14

cumulative effect.

15

that

16

denying

17

well

intended

18

that

all

19

and

20

certainly

21

to

22

say this but

23

are

24

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

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AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
0955
Area Code (407)338-

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

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AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407)3380955

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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police supervision.

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E, 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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special events; everybody

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installation,

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

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& CONSOR REPORTING

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

application

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AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

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1

Ownership

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MS. WEINER:

16

ownership that

17

you

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happen

going

19

the

preservation easements,

10

15

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discussed

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application.

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well

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question of

number of times.

that? How this

ownership,

MR. RAMPELL:

was

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is

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basically

sentence

21

and Lago
Club and it
Mara-

22

special exception application for

23

social club is

24

convey to the

25

known

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the contract?

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contract

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exists

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.F. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 371.2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

stock

in the Lago
Club, Inc. That
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agreement.

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ownership.

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MS. WEINER:

8

MS. SMITH:

10

share of
house

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answer

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warranty

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membership, which

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shareholders

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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shares

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concern

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and purchases

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MS. WEINER:
came

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of

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comes

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& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

are

coming

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 258

1

through the grounds

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put together

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MR. RAMPELL:

single family ownership,
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really

then

11

does revert

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Palm Beach.

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exactly that type

14

revert to

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16

MR. RAMPELL:

17

MS. WEINER:

18

MR. RAMPELL:

19

MS. WEINER:

20

MR. WEINBERG:

provision,

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Mr.

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Randolph,

is

21

question?

22

document, the contract such

23

described to us?
MR. RANDOLPH:
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MS. WEINER:

document, but

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
4155
Area Code (407)659-

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
23rd Floor
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305)371-

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

contract.

2
3

MR. RAMPELL:

only

one

I

this.

Mr.

Rampell,

5

about

6

financing of the

7

had been

8

clubs have

an

initiation

9

dollars

if

those

is

Everybody
club

considered,

and
the

I

might

be

not

12

then if the

rooms

13

of the

charged

14

ten

15

percentage be contributed

16

fund towards the maintenance of

17

Has

18

would recommend it.

be

to

fees

and

21

capital

intended

22

fund

as

these

24

what

25

on

It

room

fees
to

or

a

this

that

It'
s

tax

not, I

fees

be

be

put into

knowledge

possible fees might

be

or

numbers

of

to

nobody

of

interested

in

what

knows

because that would

people

a

addressed.

no

amount

trust

building?

have

I

debt,

viable

can

so

percent

certainly contemplated

initiation

that

if

a

would

ten

same

the

of

it,but

repairs

it will

the

in county bed

contemplated? And,

MS. DOUTHIT:

23

approved, say

are

MR. RAMPELL:

20

put into

contribution towards

a

the

most

the maintenance.

percent of those

been

about

fee of X thousands

turn

19

It'
s

wondering

was

possibility

11

this

is.

wondering if it

was

trust

fund towards

I

concerned

10

out

you it

assure

sentence, signed and witnessed.

MS. DOUTHIT:

4

can

depend

joining

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

One Cenirust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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2499 Glades Road
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i

1

the

club.

2

percentage, something worth while being

3

contributed

4

until

5

to

6

take

But

would also like to

I

on

regular basis

a

such time

it

really support

7

this

to

there's

because

I

a

fund

enough there

think that will

of years.

number

a

it'
s

as

see

MR. RAMPELL:

Mr.

Trump

is

going

remain

to

8

personally responsible for all real

estate

9

taxes, insurance and

the

club

one

because

10
11

MS. DOUTHIT:
I

think

12

13

it

forth until

Think about

be

might

so

MR. RAMPELL:

to

helpful
I

appreciate

this
him.

very much the

suggestion.

14

MS. SMITH:

15

MR. WEINBERG:

16

seems

we're

17

think

we

18

remarks

19

before

20

into

ought
and

the

ownership.

22

I

Executive

I

sure

25

understand.

had the
I

It

and

I

staff's

questions asked of

the

staff

Session.

question

didn't

about

understand

the

it.

If

ask.

MR. WEINBERG:

24

Session

finish with the

Perhaps

just

Mr.

me, Mrs. Smith.

go into Executive

we

21

23

Rampell

Excuse

the

to

MS. SMITH:

could

Mr.

If you

don't

Rampell will help you

understand,

if you

I'
m

don't

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525.6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

MS. SMITH:

2

possession

of

3

members

the

4

shares? Would he be

5

share in

6

of

500

shares then

club

MR. RAMPELL:
It

8

either way.

9

the

them

only issued

be

11

all

the

500

receiving

one

MarLago
aproperty?

could be done that way.

It

It

Really doesn't

outstanding

an

of

one

could be

owns

share

done

He'll

matter.

shareholder whether he

10

become

people

as

taking

doesn't matter.

really

sole

sell

for the

exchange

7

wouldn't Mr. Trump take

Why

one

if

or

be

and is

he

has

500 outstanding and issued shares.

12

MS. SMITH:

13

until

14

members.

15

right?

the

other

He'll

be

shares

the

are

sole

sold to

shareholder
the

other

to

16

As

you said,

MR. RAMPELL:

17

That may be

a

18

tell you is

that

19

and most

20

Mr.

21

business

22

of

23

not

25

turn

out

in

line,

that way.

better way to do it,but all
for

right

now

I

can

think the best

I

I

representation

can

make

is

Trump will be the sole shareholder and the

the
One

for

It may

accurate

of

this

expertise.

24

they're waiting

sort

I'
m

financial

just

is

a

lawyer

out

and

that we've been

to

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
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somewhat

of my
I'
m

area

really

advisor to him.

of things

instance,

is

try

to

best

waiting for,

determine

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Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

number of members.

2

to

3

Traffic

4

can

5

shareholder of the Lego
Club, Inc. until
Mara--

6

others

7

you.

It'
s

determine because
is

of

sort

tell you

buy

is

very difficult

a

it relates

shares

and

Thank you.

9

MS. ROYAL:

Mr.

11

12

I

question

a

believe

be the

a

I'
d

like

I

sole

to

to

Rampell.

mortgage

the

on

property.
MR. RAMPELL:

14

MS. ROYAL:

15

this

16

to

Yes.

care

ownership

19

be

a

It

21

Tell

seems

me

nice

to

why it

How will

won't

Because

24

property will continue

25

lender.

the

personally
as

lender's

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
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Area Code (407)6594155

it be taken

care

of?

be difficult.

continue

So

going

say it wouldn't be difficult.

23

be

that

problem with that.

MR. RAMPELL:
to

how is

expect the mortgage

We

MS. DOUTHIT:

20

or

agree to

of?

MR. RAMPELL:

there won't

the mortgagee

Does

of

dispersal

be taken

17

22

Mr.

there's

13

18

President,

to

all

hope that explains it

I

MS. SMITH:

address

area, but

that Mr. Trump will

8

10

traffic.

to

ambiguous

an

thing

we

Mr.

Trump will

and

the

liable

collateral

to

the

is

no

worse

position

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1

off.

2

And

3

is

4

instance, many

5

purchased in people's individual

6

home that Mr. Doyle Rogers

7

large

8

corporation

9

shareholders

10
11

In

fact,

it'
s

it'
s

this

not

home

on

homes

and

that

MS. SMITH:

15

17

share, you

18

buying

19

membership

a

Took them

in the

were

club

buying

held

in

a

and

are

a

not
a

zoned for
and

year

to

a

are

share of

club.

half

so

build.

simple mind,
and you

a

if

you buy

offered

stock, you

a

are

share of that mortgage.

MR. RAMPELL:

Not

corporation

21

mortgage,

22

equity membership.

23

MR. WEINBERG:

25

The

on, the

working

get him

to

In my

20

24

not

are

except they didn't have

They're

MS. DOUTHIT:
a

For

names.

corporation

think you want

16

is

This

special exception.

13

don't

time.

Palm Beach

A club

MR. RAMPELL:

I

unusual.

the

was

join.

don't know who the

we

of

for

come

in

all

members

as

nothing

Clarendon,

12

14

is

something that happens

MS. WEINER:
to

better off

will

not

be

the

necessarily.

responsible

for the

individual who's

You're

The

right.

purchased

an

We're

of

out

order.
MS. WEINER:

Mr.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659.4155

President, may

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please

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One CenTrust Financial Center
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23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407)3380955

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1

recommend

that

2

before

go

3

we

we

hear

from the Town attorney

into

this

Executive

We'll

MR. WEINBERG:

4

Then we'll

5

a

hear
of

question

from the

the

MR. RAMPELL:

7

MR. WEINBERG:
to make

9

commitments

10

to

at

us

11

Town

We

have

The

too.

one

this

have

applicants

haven't made

they

Are there

that

That's

essentially,

heads

here

all of

13

Mr.

14

still have not totally received the

15

the docks.

16

not

Mr.

Doney,

there be

Will

now,

do

we

docks

have

we

not

or

we

answer
will

on

there

be?
MR. RAMPELL:

We

application.

19
20

department

Weinberg and

17
our

any

important

are

12

18

agreed

time which haven't been discussed?

MR. MOORE:

our

have

I

attorney.

number of commitments.

a

staff.

finish with the

staff.

6

8

Session?

MR. MOORE:

Excuse

me.

I'
m

have

Our

department heads

That's

22

MR. DONEY:

just

Mr.

24

other

questions

25

information,

in

are

here.

sorry.

MR. RAMPELL:

that,

included

None.

21

23

docks

no

I

all

have

I
a

Rampell, and it leads
because

which

I

the

think

said.

question
to

a

exchange

No

docks.

about

couple
of

the communication

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

flow

2

week;

3

possibly do,

but

4

there

docks

5

again what you

was

7

in this

from during this

then

reading

more

no

and

to

planned.

said now,

Or

would you

no

docks

There

are

included

application.

but

application

None
are

right

you

now

willing

in the
agree that

to

10

there will not be

11

because of environmental? And, you know,

12

there's

13

that.

15

MS. SMITH:

16

any docks

for the

shallow water, there's

letter,

say

said?

MR. DONEY:

14

last

anyone could

just like you've just

MR. RAMPELL:

8
9

it'
s

are

6

good

very

Mr.

a

other

issues

like

good line in

very

his

Rampell.

MR. RAMPELL:

17

the

sentence

18

for

us

19

to

to

had

He

future,

I

Mr.

Doney,

this.

wrote was

include

in

it

is
It

impossible
is

impossible

application all

our

that

is

be excluded.

20

MR. DONEY:

21

MR. RAMPELL:

22

our

23

pads.

24

are

25

can't

application.

a

We

lot

understand.

I

we

of

things
of

not

don't

don't include

list all

we

a

include docks

include

don't

include.
won't

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
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do

We

But

occur

There
I
at

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

this property.

2

ourselves

3

property in this

4

showed you the

5

was

6

no

7

our

8

there

9

for the

sincere.

photograph
I

meant

changes.

11

code

amenities

before

with all

health

are

That's

of

one

basis

of

said that

are

necessary

safety

MR. DONEY:

Mr.

and

fully

building

Rampell, respectfully,

13

was

14

we've

15

Council

16

the

17

Council, any related potential

18

submerged

19

Sloan's

20

property is before the

21

issue

not

intended to

be

a

trick

had other applications
for PUDs

lands

Curve

or

PUD

argumentative.

24

answer.

MR. DONEY:

before

the

and

Town

uses

for

Town

didn't

docks.

But

before the Town
of the

example,

the

relevant because the

I

No

is

docks
are

MR. RAMPELL:

question

it

special exception and when

or

property in question

23

25

be

even

the property to
and

to

going
the

I

requirements.

12

22

I

and after.

it. There

for

the

on

That's

Mr. Lawrence

in order

limiting

are

exterior modifications

no

comply

we

application.

application.

10

only

exactly those

to

exterior

We

one

Council.

to

be

docks

is

mean

No

comment

I

Just

like

the

would like to

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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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1515, 1
C& S

Financial Plaza

Building

Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 267

1

add, though,

2

here

is

because the

department

heads

are

and there have been

3

Mr.

4

MR. WEINBERG:

5

MR. DONEY:

Weinberg.

6

are

7

information,

8

opportunity

9

the

here

Please continue.

and there has

been

this point

at

10

or

large exchange

a

11

questions because

12

and been

13

opportunity

14

next

15

receive

at

or

of

the

some

of

of

submitted

or

heads

comments

or

information that has arisen

today,

that

be provided, you

half hour

point in

department

staff have any additional

Town

heads

department

would like to have the

I

future, if any

near

the

Because

that be

an

know, within

whenever you

ready

are

the
to

it.

16

MR. WEINBERG:

17

MR. DONEY:

18

MR. R.
AMPELL:

It'
s

It'
s

right

right

now.

now, then.

Mr.

Doney,

staff

that

by

in toto

all

of the

19

conditions

20

will

21

included in the agreement between the Town, the

22

club

23

I

24

Mr.

25

different issues

be

of

agreed

and Mr.

gave

the

a

to

Trump.

draft

us

Each

actually

Randolph just

of

to make
are

have been discussed

and
an

sure

and will

every

one

be

of

them.

agreement to
all

of these

covered.

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371-2713

Suite 206

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

MR. DONEY:

2

satisfy

3

fully

4
5

May

ask Mr.

I

are

Rampell

a

question?

7

there's

8

significant change from

9

calculations

the

summaries

that

of

given, just

were

misunderstanding,

no

since

there

Mr. Weidner's

so

was

a

original

611 members, you

MR. RAMPELL:

Mr. Weidner

11

of either

12

correct, Mr. Weidner?

13
14

limiting

gave

us

a

choice

trips

to

303.

MR. WEIDNER:

313 trips

or

339 members.

MR. RAMPELL:

Or

our

limited

a

Is

that

of

membership

611.

16

MR. MOORE:

17

MR. RAMPELL:

Pardon

18

MR. WEIDNER:

611.

19

MR. RAMPELL:

We

20

Is

21

will

that

22

339?

We've

No.

like

the

No.

313

trips.

the condition that

we

agree to.

had

we

What

membership figure?

variety.

a

MR. RAMPELL:

that

me.

would

correct? That's

MR. WEINBERG:

24
25

comments

addressed.

In

23

Randolph could

of the staff

6

15

W:

all

MR. MOORE:

10

Fj

that

us

Mr.

Maybe

will

611

agree to.

is
We

the membership
will

figure

also agree to

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319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

One CenTrust Financial Center

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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the

limitation

in

traffic

2

MR. WEIDNER:

3

MR. WEINBERG:

4

MR. RAMPELL:

5

of

is

300

it

313.

313.
Pardon me.

been

It'
s

long

a

week.

6

MR. WEINBERG:

there

Are

7

questions

at

this

time?

8

the staff

at

this

time?

9

MS. WEINER:

10

I'
m

11

ask the

anxious

12

hear

to

staff

have

I

other

Any

staff

Randolph.

We

As

understood the

I

14

have

were

going

15

into Executive Session and at that

point

16

everyone would be

17

would

18

with his

19

the

last

discuss

going

were

able

formal

I

statement, please.
I

want

to

questions
if

guess

Rampell

he

is

to

go

and

we

through

presentation

MR. RAMPELL:

21

we

ask

to

I

have Mr.

to

say and then

it,so

to make

want

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time

can

thank you

a

30

second

me.

for listening to all of

22

the

23

accept this special exception application.

24

will

25

today.

opinions today.

never

The

get

can't

afterwards?

anything

procedure,

we

of

questions

question of staff but

a

from Mr.

MR. RANDOLPH:

any other

13

20

303?

closer

decision

I

plead

to

a

today

with you

consensus

is

a

had to

than

difficult

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we

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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but

2

some

3

never

4

your most careful consideration and thank you

5

again.

6
7

never

of them

get

get easier and the issues,

complicated
clear.

more

MR. WEINBERG:

with,

8
9

it will

Mr.

MR. PRYOR:

Mr.

So

The
I'
m

Pryor.

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like
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traffic, will

respectfully request

public aspect is

over

sorry.
was

my

question,

Weinberg.

10

Thank you.

11

MR. RANDOLPH:

12

procedure,

13

Council will

14

during this

15

questions

16

presentations

Mr.

As

understand the

I

President,

deliberate

process, of

you want
or

of

of

this

the

on

point

the

application

course, you

any

the

at

can

who

parties

and

ask any

have made

staff.

17

MR. WEINBERG:

Council

can?

18

MR. RANDOLPH:

This

the time the Council

19

will

20

deliberate
Out

of

on

little

is

the application.
bit of

fear, because

I

know

21

you don't want to hear another attorney and you

22

don't want

23

down to you

24

don't need to go

25

a

package

any
a

that

more

package

I

Suite

of

through

going

at

this

C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

pass

time, but its
on

& CONSOR REPORTING

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

to

information which you

base my remarks

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

m
paper, I'

today.

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AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)33$
0955

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if you would each take one, I'
d like to go

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through

that with you.

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reason

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s

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statements

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should follow in your deliberations.

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of

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application

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law which I think you

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you

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11

information to assist you in your deliberations

12

relating

to

the referenced

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to

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14

club is permitted

15

the

16

permitted

use

and

17

permitted

use

is

18

as

a

19

by

the Town Council.

20

also

21

approval by the Council.

22

your code

23

shall be permitted only upon authorization

24

the

25

be

Zoning Ordinance of the
as

RAA district.

matter

of

a

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in the

allowed

without
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found

states

Council

by

the

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a

or

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provided

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zoning district

review

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permitted, however,

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application.

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comply

use

by

shall

with the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 272

1

following requirements

2

requirements

as

and

other

forth in the ordinance."

set

The referenced criteria

3

items

specifically

are

4

addressed

5

of the Zoning Code.

6

of the applicable portion of the code which

7

contains

8

each

9

to

of

in

applicable

the

In

and make

has

in

the

Section

provided

6.
40
a

copy

should consider

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applicant

addition,

been

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criteria

of

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through

those criteria.

whether the

10

A

a

determination

met

same.

special exception

11

criteria,

site

12

ordinance

pursuant

13

Section 9.
63, "Before any site plan shall be

14

approved,

15

that the

16

not

adversely

17

the

zoning requirements relating

18

or

19

has

20

forth in items A through K of that section of

21

the

the

review is

plan

to

approval

of

the

affect the

been made

as

to

Pursuant

shall make

site

plan

public

have not been met and
not

required under the

Section 9.
60.

Council

Town

as

an

a

will

finding
will

or

interest.
the

to

That

use

arrangement has

certain matters

to

have
or

set

code."

22

have

You

been provided with

23

Section

24

criteria which shall

25

in

9.
63 which sets

determining

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

copy of

forth those

also

whether

a

or

be
not

considered
to

by

you

grant the site

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

particular

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

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1

review.

plan

2

As

to

the

site

preparation of

after review

plan review,

findings, the

3

and

4

Council shall approve, approve with

5

deny

6

include

7

and exhibits

8

In

9

the

the

application.
as

Town

changes

or

Any approval shall

part thereof all of the information
the

required by

ordinance.

order to assist you in the consideration

of the evidence that has been put before you, I

10

would

like

11

law

12

included

13

review.

it

as

14

to

refresh your

relates

copies

A person

she

to

of

special exceptions.

relevant

have

special exception

15

if he

16

substantial evidence that the criteria of the

17

code will

18

be

19

the

20

Council determines

21

should not be

22

Council

23

evidence

24

Town's

25

to

or

proven to you by competent

be met

adverse

to

applicant

the

has

a

I

the

for your

cases

entitled to

is

of

understanding

to

and that the

the

that

initial
the

that the

in

the event

burden, if the

the burden

application

criteria; that,

In

not

special exception

by competent

is

with the

substantial

does

effect,

not

it

is

meet

the

adverse

public interest.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

that

granted,

show

interest.

public

meets

proposal will

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 274

1

Competent substantial evidence is that

2

evidence which

3

adequate

4

determination should be based upon

5

find to

6

the wishes

7

the

have

been established

of

of

the

10

neighborhood

11

denial of

12

on

the

13

facts

In the

case

you

for

upon

against

or

law, "The objections

residents
a

permit.

a

facts

application.

not

are

as

Your

instead of

persons who appear

large number of

a

conclusion.

a

quote from the

To

of

support

granting

8
9

to

reasonable mind would accept

a

of

the

sound basis

Your

affected

for the

decision must be made

adduced."
event you

grant

the

special

14

exception

you shall

15

adversely

affect

16

granting

17

that

18

the

19

proscribe appropriate

20

in

21

may

22

Declaration of Use Agreement which shall be

23

recorded

24

continuing compliance

25

conditions.

the

find such grant will

the

public

interest.

special exception,

not

In

in the

event

is what you determine to do, in addition to
standards

conformity

set

forth in Section 6.
40, you may
conditions

with the

require the land

in the

Zoning

owner

public

to

records

and

Code.

provide

to

safeguards
also

You
a

insure

with Town Council

imposed

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

 275

1

In

the

you deny to grant this

event

a

I

advise

that

special

Declaration

2

exception

3

of Use Agreement be

4

all of the conditions you deem necessary to

5

protect

6

deny

7

include but not be limited to

8

statement

9

denial.

Those

10

criteria

set

11

be based upon

12

approved,

13

interest.

15

you

the

to

as

should relate

will

adverse to the

be

all

of

the

comments

deliberation,
We

have

I

to

prior

Mr. President.

ready

are

public

to

into

go

Session.

of Mr.

Mr.

President, could

MR. WEINBERG:

21

MS. SMITH:

Mr.

Randolph, the

the

23

reach

24

We

25

extension of this meeting?

decision

cannot

a

You may.

22

explanation

ask

I

Randolph?

20

a

the

to

determination that the use, if

a

MS. SMITH:

question

for

reasons

forth in the Zoning Code and shall

MR. WEINBERG:

Executive

shall

specific

a

or

you

the event

In

your motion

reason

reasons

into

going

18
19

interest.

public

a

drafted to include

carefully

special exception

That's

16
17

the

the

14

strongly

drafted
on

defer this

for

this
to

us

today,

today?
a

time

way you

Is

we

that

certain

as

have

must

right?
an

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525.6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 276

1

MR. RANDOLPH:

that

No.

in this

No.

didn't

I

made.

2

state

3

No.

4

days of the application.

5

you have to conclude deliberations within that

6

period

The matter

of

8

MS. WEINER:
sure

considered within

30

doesn't state that

It

all

we

Thank you very much.

Right.

have

perhaps suggest,

I

May

lot of

a

10

just

take

them, each person

11

then

give

us

12

going

to

have

at

one

Good idea.

14

MR. WEINBERG:

Michelle Clarke

15

MS. ROYAL:

Well,

16

question

that

17

confused

by it,is

18

viability

19

to

20

anything

21

if

22

property back

23

Because

ask

and

the

but

success

a

that

time

we

and

we're

a

did not

still

question

of

financial

I

guess

MR. RAMPELL:

25

MS. ROYAL:

I

would

like

don't wish the club
if

it

becomes

fails

who

single family
understand

24

first

am

club and

as

Royal.

I

specifically

certainly

I

think the

I

have, because

I

becomes

because

rambling?

MR. ILYINSKY:

I

a

chance, otherwise

another
a

questions,

13

it

just

I

time.

MS. SMITH:

I'
m

statement

should be

7

9

that

intend to

The

a

but

club,

gets the

residence?

that.

answer

is

Then would the

Donald

people

Trump.
who would

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525,6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

2713
Area Code (305)371-

Area Code (407)338-0955

 277

1

put up their money

2

would

3
4

6

MS. ROYAL:

That would be between Donald

I

that's

guess

MR. RAMPELL:

didn't

I

but

offensively abrupt,
MS. ROYAL:

May

that's

the

11

think I would like to tail onto

12

people's questions.

the

13

MR. WEINBERG:

14

MS. DOUTHIT:
random

16

this

membership.

or

It'
s

22

in

23

a

24

room

25

aside

and you
a

got

right

now?

I

other

some

whole bunch of

a

percentage

the

It

probably depends upon

going

to

be

seasonal?
the

be year round.

All righty.

if

to

a

Now,

I

go

back

fees would be put

willing
rooms

to

are

contemplate
permitted,

percentage of that moneys put

into this

trust towards maintenance?

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

being

on

it

say initiation

on

a

planned

is

Would you be

trust.

rates,

club

planned

MS. DOUTHIT:
to

have

I

one

later

Mrs. Douthit.

I'
ve

MR. RAMPELL:

21

only

proposed

year round Club

20

answer.

questions.

Is

18

be

have questions

I

because that's

19

our

to

mean

10

17

not

business.

9

15

members, what

and the members.

Trump

7
8

club

they get, nothing?
MR. RAMPELL:

5

become

to

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305)525-6723

AGENCY, INC.

One Cenlrust Financial Center
100 S.E. 2nd Street •
23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 278

1

MR. RAMPELL:

Sort

of

2

MS. DOUTHIT:

Yes.

I

3

maintenance of the

4

5

idea.

6

I'
m not

I'
m

colossal,

but

I'
m

8

percent.

I'
m

trying

9

preservation fund

11
12

provide
is

a

feeder

where

I'
m

for

a

coming

think it'
s

I

a

very good

idea.
MR. WEINBERG:

Would you want that

for

preservation purposes only?

16

MR. WEINBERG:

17

MS. DOUTHIT:

18

the money spent.

19

machine

20

is

or

a

new

Yes.

didn't

You
In
I

don't

consider

dish washer

MR. RAMPELL:

percent into

23

the property.

a

MS. DOUTHIT:

fund

Along

a

don't want

I
a

new

capital

washing
this

landmark building.

We would

capital

indicate that.

deed, because

for preservation of the

22

25

anything

question.

MS. DOUTHIT:

24

to

of

in terms of ten

and this

15

21

very good

a

talking

not

thinking

MR. RAMPELL:

13
14

itself.

sure

MS. DOUTHIT:

from with that

reserve?

towards

think that's

I

7

10

mean

building

MR. RAMPELL:

capital

a

agree to

putting

ten

for maintenance of

with

initiation

fees

to

get it started?

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)659-4155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 279

1

MR. RAMPELL:

Yes.

2

MS. DOUTHIT:

Okay.

3

marvelous.

4

I

I'
m

believe,

Mr.

Weidner, didn't your

recommendation reduce the

6

members

number

MR. WEIDNER:

Yes, ma'am.

8

MS. DOUTHIT:

I

10

equitably

reduced

11

all

the

13

313

trips.

14

applicant

15

monitoring

16

the

17

even

18

correlating

19

members.

That would

has

stated

how

see

club could

a

think

limiting

I

provided

the

club

they could
counts

do

at

some

the

to

and the

annual

club,

or

to

limits because it has been proved

today that
the

hit

a

22

the

339 members.

23

and this

24

Just

This

is

there.

compromise

why

it'
s

pretty unclear,

traffic with the number of

MS. DOUTHIT:

is

believe

I

probably require,

and traffic

21

25

Ma'am,

of either

options

membership

a

don't

maybe 500.

to

12

20

611

339, but 61 I think could be

at

run

MR. WEIDNER:

I

from

339?

to

7

be

is

delighted.

5

9

That

Great.

I

You

I

trying

was

to

got the 311 with

sound economic

Doesn't
was

why

thinking

in terms

to

of

me

500.

compromise.

MR. RAMPELL:

Well,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

think

that

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C& S

I

Building

Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394

Area Code (305) 525-6723

we

would

AGENCY, INC.

One CenTrust Financial Center
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 206
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)338-0955

 280

1

like

to

have

2

that

the burden

3

We

4

join.

5

traffic

6

limit

7

trips stay

don't

is

have

to

capacity

a

shared

among

know how many members

But we

willcomply

611 members

larger group.

a

will

actually

with the

with your

engineer's suggestion that if

it to

611, then
300

at

have

we

to

we

make

9

Now, there's been lots of letters

Yeah.

Okay.

10

Woodbridge

11

a

12

concrete

13

this wall

14

Trump side and would planting be

15

Woodbridge

side? And do

16

individual

residents

17

have

18

or

19

and

20

prefer

21

option there?

22

the

23

Trump's property line

24

they're looking

25

wall.

a

Road residents

planned

as

a

planting

on

Do

Mr.

at

of

the
do

they

wish this wall

air and others
have

is

might

there

suggestion would
on

on

the very

greenery

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
C & S Building
Ft. Lauderdale Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

as

an

be

to

edge of

Woodbridge

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

the

air had been mentioned

they

And my

people,

they

on

the

on

Woodbridge Road,

on

might prefer
wall.

the

whether

to

Now, is

would this be

assume

not? Circulation
some

6' physical wall,

a

would

from

and you have suggested

block, etc.,plus planting.

choice

our

plus.

MS. DOUTHIT:

I

do

sure

8

6' well

so

so

opposed

REPORTING

put

Mr.

that
to

a

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MR. RAMPELL:

2

the wall

3

would not

I

y

encroac h

Woodbridge

definitely

hedge

MS. DOUTHIT:

i
1

and the

We

on

onto

the

But

The

It

property.
else's

anybody

north side of

MR. RAMPELL:

our

would put both

hedge

property.

would be

on

the

the wall?

hedge

would be

outside

of

the wall within the wall.

3

MS. WEINER:

How would

they

take

of

care

it?
11

MS. DOUTHIT:
L

above

6'. I

1!

The

don't think that the
the club

want

1E

do

that

to

people
to

and clean

kind of thing.

of

care

it

get greenery for the

hedge

attendants

property and feed

taking

were

trying

was

MS. WEINER:

I

They

has

to

be

fed.

I

on

the street would

go

over

their

the leaves

It'
s

a

and

out

but

good idea,

it

wouldn't work.

1E

MR. RAMPELL:

1C

point.

If

2C

plant

hedge

a

a

a

We're

Woodbridge
on

very flexible
resident wanted

MS. DOUTHIT:

Okay.

22

MR. RAMPELL:

If

24

25

property we'll put
MS. DOUTHIT:

wall, hedge

or

us

to

their side, we'll do it.

21

23

the

on

a

Great.

they
hedge

They

want

hedge

on

their

their property.

on

have

a

a

choice

as

to

both?

r

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 282

MR. RAMPELL:

Let

give you

me

f

of

example

an

2

the

3

Burden

4

months.

5

agreed

5

to

7

specified what kind

3

different kind of

hedge.

I

i

different kind of

hedge.

She decided that

11

hedge wouldn't

sufficient, that there should

1:L

be

background.

and

1

3,

wall

6' wall

1!

I

the

put

and

and
to

a

be
a

So

14'

6'

hedge,

I

agreed

I

did.

to

me

I

She wanted

a

a

a

agreed

to

a

want

to

specify

said

we

or

tree

hedge

1

so

Then she asked

hedge.

hedge.

five

or

hedge

a

14' tree

line

wall

and

a

we

line.

will do whatever you want

to

us

do with

hedge.

1F

Woodbridge

1S

need

2C

it.

to

because,

I

get the protection
God

We want

protection available.

23

trying

24

me

be

what

exactly
Now,

as

I

they

feel

they

to

on

they
need

them to have every

That's

flexible.

I

why

have

I

been

wanted them to

tell

want.

understood your question

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

individuals

knows, they're going

MR. RAMPELL:

to

for the

want

22

25

course, Mrs.

hedge.

a

of

Then she

a

in.

hedge

a

MS. DOUTHIT:

2]

she wanted

what kind of

hedge.

a

agreed

1!

Initially

we'd

of

have,

back and forth for four

going

specify

a

We've

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to

also

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International Place
100 S.B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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include what do the other
think? Yes, I

3

think because

I

made

any confusion

I

to

over

all

of

the

have sent

to

our

residents

that every

so

opportunity

MS. DOUTHIT:
be the

to

the

It

same

MR. RAMPELL:

1E

they

be

can

all

tell

of them

one

us

if you

individual.

Isn't

the way down?

Would you like

Woodbridge neighbors

them what

li

don't want

I

Woodbridge

the

fence.

going

1S

the

over

hedge, wall, both, partial hedge, picket

a

1:

AN&

that, but

their comments

seeking

want

or

little confusion

a

And

would have

1(

don't want to quote what they

way I quoted Mrs. Hoffstot.

proposal
7

Woodbridge neighbors

and

to

us

ask each

survey
of

one

want?

MS. DOUTHIT:

I'
m

MR. RAMPELL:

They

sure

they

will

come

to

you.

1E

I have sent
haven't.

1S

them each the draft

that

2C

only got

from Miss

21

wants

22

it'
s

23

solid masonry wall

24

And that's

25

by

a

a

picket fence,

going

one

response

of

be better

to

the
the

I

I

to

to

only request

you and I

Burden and if

think that

and that

Woodbridge

sent

have

that

aesthetically

one

seems

one

to

continuous
be

logical.

has been made

residents.

That

seems

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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1

to

2

it'
s

3

architects.

4

be the best solution.
been

recommended

MS. DOUTHIT:

5

wondering,

5

one

7

recommend, in my

3

put in

side

a

you

have

north

own

little

a

a

automatically

the

existing

for

stacking.

A

Two

headed north

22

a

lanes

south

hardly

all would

through lane.

that

so

people
lane

can

are

so

I

mean

pull
small.

Through lane?

lane.

store

right

That

ways

that

applies.

lane in between

turn

There's

no

new

lane proposed

of egress.

My point is you talked about

taking part

through lane,

north

of

the

DOT

shoulder for

through lane.

23

MS. ROYAL:

24

MR. WEINBERG:

We

25

MR. MOORE:

would be

Turning lane.

It

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

was

service entrance and main entrance

MS. DOUTHIT:

2]

I

lane which has been

through

a

a

MR. RAMPELL:

2C

landscape

traffic up

Through lane, both

has

MR. MOORE:

there.

about

mind, that you

one

MS. DOUTHIT:

15

different

talking

through

MR. WEINBERG:

1E

the

and down the other and I would

off to turn in and

1.°

two

also

Now, the other thing

discussed but also
11

by

been

we've

That's

call

it
a

a

store

stack

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lane.

lane.

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International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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Southbound traffic

is

MS. DOUTHIT:

3

are

You

she's

stack

talking

about.

the left if you

on

headed north.
MR. RAMPELL:

i

what

That's been

condition once, has
MR. WEIDNER:

She's

asking

lane

so

not, left turn lane?

Northbound

left

turn

lane.

in addition.

MS. DOUTHIT:
stack

it

requested

a

I'
m

requesting

that you

southbound

a

pull off

can

and

have

a

southbound through lane.
17

MR. RAMPELL:

recommendations

of

MR. MOORE:

14

traffic

if

room.

1.7

And it may not

MR. WEIDNER:

performed what's called

15

intersection analysis

21

MR. WEIDNER:

22

an

at

I'
m

seem

fit. Our
to

be

enough

R. Harris

unsignalized

that

intersection

sorry.
at

the

main

dri

r

w

r

entrance.

23

MS. DOUTHIT:

Yes.

24

MR. WEIDNER:

We

25

the

Ma'am, Frederick

1E

MS. DOUTHIT:

of

fit.

may not

expert says doesn't

2C

one

traffic expert.

your

It

MR. RAMPELL:

15

isn't

It

report

on

traffic

Suite

Kimley-Horn

report for special

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

utilized the

& CONSOR REPORTING

1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

events

and

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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looked at the main entrance

2

plan

3

their

4

conditions

5

addition to that

we

5

condition plus

northbound

7

which would have added

that

3

What

a

the

storage

roadway and

left

as

existing

lanes.

through

looked at the

hour there

one

look at

In

existing
turn

lane,

left turn lane.

a

existing conditions

much congestion

within

proposed in

or

did is

we

with just the two

Under the
as

11

they had configured

proposal.

the operating

or

there

was

not

anticipated, however,

we

was

some

stacking beyond

the valet parking onto the

or

was

conflict with the

a

through

traffic.

01

As

a

result of that we've recommended the

1_
5

northbound turn lane.

lE

providing what's called

li

lane.

lE

through

the area, there's
very little property

19

there.

And what

2Q

would be

21

transition would

22

there.

23

you

about

It

required

24
25

As

a

had

know,

we

to

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

looked at

southbound

probably

no

from

a

turn

driving

impact

on

very short

a

two

cars

the

analysis

northbound left turn lane

see

right

looked at, I think there

only allow

If this

lot of

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

and

a

also

80' of storage and

MS. DOUTHIT:

going

We

me

goes

on

stack
so

in

we

only.

through you're

Flagler.

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to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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L

2

MR. WEIDNER:

It wasn't

for

congestion purposes.

3

MR. WEINBERG:

I

MS. DOUTHIT:

5

recommended

Mrs.
m done
think I'

I

for the

moment.

7

MR. WEINBERG:

Mayor.

MR. ILYINSKY:

Mr.

President, is

this

thing

learned

today

working?

11
L

MR. WEINBERG:

It

MR. ILYINSKY:

One

1-113

thing

I'
ve

are going

to

from the Council and become traffic

consultants.
to

That

make yourself

1!

misunderstood

1E

ever

by

seems

to

be

the easiest way

heard and make yourself
more

people than anything

I'
ve

heard of.
MR. RAMPELL:

lE

is.

for sure, Mrs. Weiner and myself
retire

I

sure

That's

right.

I'
d

like

a

job.

1C

MR. ILYINSKY:

2C

I

23

I'
ve

22

never

22

accounts

24

delighted that

25

question that

Since

would like to be
sat

here

for

don't have any vote

philosophical for
a

of

things

Building

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

as

I

was

asked

moment.

I'
ve

and better

have today.

Mrs. Douthit
I

one

great many years.

listened to better speeches

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

I

I'
m

every

single

going to; mentioned the fact

& CONSOR REPORTING

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road

Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 288

1

that she

2

Woodbridge

3

the

was

concerned about the

Road and also

And

I

hope

will be very wise

5

I

7

expression, lawyers

3

damned show today and

3

understand the situation

want

to

in

on

it'
s ultimate

Council

decision,

but

thank all of you who, pardon the
for
I

putting

on

thought

I

a

a

pretty good

really

lot better than I did

this morning.
MR. RAMPELL:

Thank you.

MR. WEINBERG;

then

again
MR.

Mr.

ILYINSKY:

I

experts,

V

compromise

is

put traffic

2(

period

2]

are

and

and

have

vote, Mr.

no

Thank God.

MR. WEINBERG:

traffic

said yes

Mayor, you

no.

President.

our

on

I

Inasmuch
am

a

five

or

study it and

related to

our

MR. RANPELL:

23

MR. WEINBERG:

as

hopeful

method of

22

25

people who live up

and I believe that this

5

1;L

24

on

ocean.

4

li

people

that

handling
six month

make

actual

we

I

we

so

many

don't

traffic

and

we

probationary

adjustments

as

they

experience.

think that's

I

have

fine.

didn't ask for your

comment.
MR. RAMPELL:

I'
m

sorry.

I

thought

you

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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l

asking

were

r

t.

3

me

a

question.

MR. WEINBERG:
this

MR. RAMPELL:

Sorry,

MS. WEINER:

and

today

quickly

I'
m
I

as

think in the
1c

how at

17

Can you

I'
ve

no

I

assure

18
19

concerns

20

it'
s very easy to

21

on

22

Enforcement.

23

Code

24

taken

25

what

I

I

through

was "

it

as

circus?"
I

got up and said

someone

it

was

a

circus.

circuses?

no

promise you that there will

animal circuses.

mean

I

promise you that there will

is

me

piece

One of

I'
ve

Enforcement;

a

319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

going

a

it

lot

to

can

of

where people, after
to

do

for

from

that have

having

not

done

considerable

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go to Code

reports

a

Now,

put something

lot of meetings

they're supposed

Building

enforcement.

and then
read

bond

a

things that really

m
say I'

of paper

place

I'
ll put up

the matter of

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau

down

animal circumstances.

MS. WEINER:

a

scribbling

animal circuses.

MR. RAMPELL:

too.

lot of

there will be

me

1!

17

get

MarLago,
ayears ago,

MS. WEINER:

no

to

wrote

beginning

14

be

a

can.

MR. RAMPELL:

16

have to say at

I

Mr. President.

done

going try

First word

be

all

point.

E

i

That's

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

period of time, then

2

all

is

3

forgiven

and

is

5

address

5

may decide to go

7

how

3

us? How can you

d

to

li

a

the

Code

numbers

months
i

all

we

more

correctly

that those of

so

if

comfortable? What
assure

again.

because this

with this

along

over

us

and

all

can

than

more

who

us

is

well,

you do

for

just going

Enforcement that the traffic, the
usage,
and

so

forth will

stay in line, that

have to argue with each other

won't

we

start

can

limitations

be

we

plead poverty

correctly

major matter, how

can

the
L

they

How can we more

4

and

come

and months

if in fact it

MR. RAMPELL:

We

is off?

willing

are

for

to

subject the

1J

property to quarterly inspections if you would.

1!i

like

or

of

sort

some

MS. WEINER:

is wrong,
V

are

we

audit.

What

if

we

going

to

argue about it?

MR. RAMPELL:

Then you

all

are

2C

Because

23

past, I can't necessarily

22

subject

23

severe.

24

Enforcement Board compromises

25

we

punitive actions that the

want

to
I

to

recognize

a

a

help,

And

lot

of

club which is

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Town

can

there

take.

may not have taken them in the

all of them.

be

something

take

can't

15

they

agree

but

they

can

times

be quite

Code

these, but
in

I

think

compliance with

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will be

we

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International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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every dotted I
Code

and crossed T.

Enforcement Board does

its

job, just the

whether it checks Cafe L'
Europe to make

way

Cafe

sure

L'
Europe doesn't have

too

many seats

whether it checks many different
properties

or

around town to make
the

allocated number of

correctly

and

like

things

I

17

property accessible

go.

All

with

I

can

say
on

reasonably appropriate
hide

parking

a

we

is

in clubs

don't know how far

will make the

basis

that you

deem

because we're not

trying

anything.

MS. WEINER:

Okay.

15

assuming

lE

becomes

17

that traffic

1E

what would you recommend

19

alleviate that?

20

I

that

spaces

membership

that, is

1(

can

that there's

sure

correlates

to

whether the

But

that all
towards

My

goes well

next

and the

the maximum and

is, in deed,

MR. RAMPELL:

I

a

question,

membership

suddenly

we

find

serious problem,

could be done to

mentioned

I

had

a

short

21

discussion about that with Mr.

22

think that

23

provision that if something like that happens,

24

that

25

in

in

our

adjustments

agreement

can

be made

we

to

Randolph
can

make

the

and
a

membership

the reasonable discretion of the Town.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

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AGENCY, INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

International Place

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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don't

2

MS. WEINER:

3

I

I

have

have

5

i

know what else

on

on

we

I'
m

can

do.

just asking questions

my mind that

probably

their mind that

need

we

lot of

a

that

people

be clarified.

to

The next item I'
d like to talk to you about
is

the

is

something

preservation

easements

that you

and I

know that
Let me

offering.

are

it

suggest to you very strongly that it is

something that
11

Landmarks

l:

where those

to

go

the

Preservation

Town.

have

We

a

Commission and that's

things properly belong.

This

is

a

landmark in the Town of Palm Beach and State of
I

Florida.

LIE

MR. RAMPELL:

You

are

that

recommending

they hold
lE

MS. WEINER:

MR. RAMPELL:

1E

You

are

recommending they

hold the preservation easement?

1S

MS. WEINER:

2(

MR.

2]

MS. WEINER:

Absolutely.

WEINBERG:

22

I'
m

23

organization,

24

Commission.

25

the Town and

Certainly

underlining

He

it

you

doesn't

willing
care

shouldn't go to

but to the Landmarks

MR. RAMPELL:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Are

Absolutely.

Let me

to

so?

where it goes.
a

private

Preservation

mention that

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

do

there's

a

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 293

1

little bit of

Z

specifics

3

go.

a

r

of where

Because

directs where
i

when

difficulty
the

preservation

if the Town requires

they

precisely,

go

looses his deduction and there
that

along

donative
cannot

line because

intent.

All

preservation easements
my personal

it

I

begin operating

get into the

we

them

then Mr.
tax

are

tell you

club until

a

are

given.

el-A

we

the

It would be

preference that the Landmarks

little bit concerned that

do

Trump

cases

is

Commission receive these easements but
a

or

interferes with his

can

as

easements

that, that it will

if you

create

I

require

difficulties

I

am

us

to

in our

deduction.
MS. WEINER:

Let me

lE

all

17

today

sat

18

way.

I

19

nature

20

organization, whether

21

the

put it this way.

bright legal minds sitting

If

in this

room

down and discussed there would be

don't believe that

something

of

a

that

should be given to any private

MR. RAMPELL:

it

Well,

be charitable
there

are

a

or

lot

not.

of

22

different government agencies but
you prefer the

23

Landmarks Commission.

24

MS. WEINER:

25

be

I

don't

care

but

it'
s

got to

situated with the Town, let it be the

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 294

1

Landmarks

2

somewhere but

3

situation.

4
5

Commission here
I

think

MR. RAMPELL:

locally.
subject

I

is

a

situation

farthest I

jeopardizing

or

governmental

A government

think the

without

it

in the county

or

Mr.

can

on

go

that

Trump's

donative intent and income tax deduction is
3

ll

would

use

it to

a

start

getting

not

our

best efforts to

government agency which is

local.

give
If

we

deductible.

you had

1.°

to

specific than that, then it'
s

more

MR. WEINBERG:

two

function,

we

a

Wouldn't it be

joint committee

of your organizations

of the Landmark
interest that

17

can

be

is

it'
s

2C

totally independent.

21

can't

22

you

23

Preservation Committee

24

members

25

Landmarks

put members

club

club,

charity,

can't
I

one

it must

do want

there will

be

be

do

remind

a

of three

member appointed by the
one

member

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

Whether

influence it. We

consisting

Commission and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

We

or

it,but

on

that within the

the

an

properly?

totally independent party.

government agency

of

member of

The recipient of the easement

has

a

a

if

together with members

handled very

1E

a

up of

Commission, then you have

MR. RAMPELL:

to be

made

helpful

appointed by

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 3380955

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L

the

state

can

begin.

3

change

k

then
to

That committee has

before

it

from there

The

the

to

out

gets

even

any exterior

go to the Landmarks

subject

us

preservation officer before any change
to

approve

of

the club.

changes

Commission whether it'
s

preservation

easement

permission, for instance,
and

the color of

1(

say, okay,

1]

facade easement.

1e

that

12

do

14

procedures.

we

shade of

it without

15

to

not.

or

facade.

a

beige.

all
We

right

still

going through

MS. WEINER:

Now I

if

want

18

traffic

19

think anyone stopped to analyze the

20

the numbers

21

any club,

22

absolute peak, and I

23

something

24

you're going to get angry with

25

real

me

with this

experts that

were

certainly

that's

concern

necessarily

of

be

to

T

is

think that

considered

on

with the traffic

at

that

break when
it'
s

ought

to

be

your side.
me

is

the

don't

fact

during spring

the B &

unhappy

all, with

heard from, I

we

taken

going

First

one.

change

address traffic

to

with

are

you

a

all of the Town

17

both sides

give

can

have

can't

and

guess

They

We

16

I

can

the

change

hold the easement.
It'
s

And

still have

holder of the preservation easement

shading

a

Now

because my
the

ingress

frw
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 296

1

not

the

2

the

streets

3

when

4

You've

5

It'
s

5

streets.

r

but

3

recommend

ingress,

they

that

are

are

to

the

trying

to

go

anything any
or

season

of

Is

know

traffic.

of those

out

experts

can

standing

a

terrible time

getting in

alleviating

that

situation?

lC

MR. WEINBERG:

1E

MS. ROYAL:
turns

green

How about

A

MS. WEINER:

1S

MS. ROYAL:

2C

MR. WEINBERG:

trip light?

What's that?

little light that it only

for you when

1F

There
Put

run

are

over

no

it.

lights.

out.

some

Do you

have

a

question along

those lines?

22

MS. WEINER:

trying

24

25

some

the south end of town in

there any way of

MS. ROYAL:

23

or

the traffic

on

ll

21

MarLago
a-

very much if you're

mean

people have

and out.

of

suggest because, again, the cold

don't

1.:

Town

there any way, not necessarily
you,

Is

there and I

the

northbound into town.

always difficult getting

ll

of

north of

got all of this traffic

numbers

i

but the egress

to

In

concern

and

I

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

are

head out

MR. RAMPELL:

your

other words, when you

I

understand.

I

understand

think that there

are

& CONSOR REPORTING

AGENCY, INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

traffic

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3360955

 297

1

problems throughout

2

MS. WEINER:

3

MR. RAMPELL:

4

can

5

6

global

necessarily think

solutions

MS. WEINER:

staff

9

that.

to

Traffic expert's

going

At

this point we're

talking

to

and Executive.

MR. WEIDNER:

think the

I

applicant has

11

indicated that the peak operating periods

12

club will

13

adjacent roadways.

14

requiring them

15

any time before

16

have

17

when the most

18

As

19

periods, particularly for

20

again will

21

anticipated

22

frustrating periods

of the

23

Boulevard will have

significant impact.

25

to

Thank you.

10

24

we

you.

7
8

don't

I

MR. WEINBERG:

help

Town.

Yeah.

up with

come

the

special

far

as

outside of the

occur

to

on

not

a

their

I

peak periods

we

all

have

a

special

weekday

use

don't

streets.

it'
s

peak hour
purpose,

not

these

day

Ocean

I

on

it that way.
was

going

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

occur.

during

see

If

dining

so

event

That's

goes, the

the

on

and we'll

traffic will

use

the

we're

the weekends.

on

daily

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

on

after 6 p.
m.

that

those

ever

significant

average

be

think

6 p.
m.

events

MS. WEINER:

lived

I

of

I

into

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 298

1

town

2

going

3

That's

4

doesn't

5

6

for dinner at the

the

only part

fit

to

You

I

9

turn

MS. WEINER:

11

MR. RAMPELL:

circle and

16

MS. WEINER:
use, I

18

19

a

one

good

lot easier to

agree?

can

back,

Then

the guest

MR. RAMPELL:

17

You

come

15

is

Oh, yes.

MS. WEINER:
and that's

at.

that

thing

someone

make

to

it'
s

wouldn't you

10

14

just hope

want

observation and that is

13

looking

let you out.

MR. RAMPELL:

the

I'
m

are

in.

polite enough

right,

people

of the traffic

8

12

time

the club, that's what

to

MR. ILYINSAY:

7

same

turn

takes

have

I

right; go
20

one

around

seconds.

final

question

issue.

room

Yes.

When

think the bottom

MR. RAMPELL:

s
say it'

we

a

customary

line is customary where?

Everywhere.

Florida.

Pardon

me.

20

MS. WEINER:

Where? By where

21

this

22

believe what you're

23

agree.

24

for guest

25

in the RAA district of clubs.

town

and

I

have

In my mind
rooms

problem,

asking
you

are

because

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

a

I

for

I

asking

for

it'
s

not

NationsBank

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

in

in my mind.

a

have
a

I

to

variance

customary

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

mean

use

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 299

1
2

MR. RAMPELL:

the

There's

no

custom

Well, if

we

have

one

or

way

other.

3

MS. WEINER:

4

town

or

5

that

one

6

all

the rest

7

got

a

8

unless

9

be

six

and

happens
are

of them has

guest

clubs

rooms

in

and

to

be in the CWA district and

in

residential districts

I'
ve

little bit ofa problem with that concept
it

came

looked at

10

one

five

to

me

as

differently.

MR. RAMPELL:

Well,

11

necessarily

12

of

13

this

14

Beach County where guest

15

I

16

that at all.

17

When the

have to

Palm Beach.

type

at

19

Club?

see

MS. WEINER:

21

MR. RAMPELL:

22

if

23

construction and

24

It

25

define custom

anything

the

don't think that you

the

we

first

I'
ve

There

are

clubs

rooms

are

available and

need

Club

be

to

if

in

Palm

limited

you

letter from the

I

to

look

Everglades

think there ought to be

there ought to be

a

interpretation

broader
of

that word.

say in the Town custom.
as

heard of

Yeah.

customary with this

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

why

Everglades

20

doesn't

is

of parameter.

did you

I

limit the test to the Town

This

don't understand

18

variance when it could

a

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

Doesn't
town.

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 300

I

People

a

Customs

are quite different among many of

3

town

among

we

5

in this

municipality

L

is

Mr.

Brisson,

historical

alternative

is

Also allows
of

use

to

those

as

1,

a

comment

all

We're

is

matter

2C

Town

23

do

22

generous

of

to

We want

our

we

on

Fine.

because

of

some

agreed

assuming

that

keep

it

They have

just

of

it

the

like to

things

is

a

normal

landmarks ordinances here in the

never

have

and

I

buildings.

think this

We

is most

your part.

Thank you.

24

MR. BRISSON:

I'
m

with your question

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

Area Code (407) 659-4155

of

sort

some

to.

MR. RAMPELL:

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

The

to

would

I

23

25

preserve

use.

landmark the interior of

not

like to

rooms.

that your client has

1F

to

us

them into

change

guest

MS. WEINER:
make

would

rooms.

consistent with the historical

been used

their

to

that aspect?

on

game rooms, card games.
I

how

see

Thank you very much.

MR. RAMPELL:

the

don't

I

our

here.

MR. WEINBERG:

11

the world.

over

jurisdiction just

MS. WEINER:

comment

from all

are

town members.

our

limit the

can

i

town

as

afraid I
to

whether

can't
or

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

help

not

you

it'
s

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 301

1

customary.

2

reason

3

customary, that

I

make

can

a

comment, if for

should decide that

you

it

is my

it

is

not

opinion

as

a

planner,

having reviewed your zoning ordinances
5

that

variance could

a

under the
can't

policy
11

Zoning Code,

help

whether

you

it'
s
as

legitimately

to

but

I

what

area

MS. WEINER:

to

as

really your

you want

I

can

to

incorporate.

you with

supply

thousand clubs that have guest

a

rooms.

MS. DOUTHIT:

They're

not

MR. RAMPELL:

Some of

them

in Palm Beach.
in Palm

are

County, though.

lE

MS. DOUTHIT:

1.

MR. WEINBERG:

if

MS. SMITH:

1s

of

2C

have three pages

21

try

22

around.

questions,

23

I

Thank you.

MR. RAMPELL:

Beach

such,

unfortunately,

That's

customary.

and

be requested

the determination

on

some

to

boil

After

24

traffic

25

they

That's

I

arrived

of

same.

were

with

but

to

I

will

either

were

all

four pages

answered.

scribble notes

down,

listening

telling

today

of which

experts, who

were

the

Mrs. Smith.

some

them

not

and
be

five
sworn

I

I

will

bouncing

or

six

in and

swore

the truth and all told

If

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 302

L

different
is

exactly
3

so

figures,

will

I

But

not

the

11

when

was

and Mr. Kollins

figures,

the

thing.

of

problems that
had

I

of these

lawyers,

situation in

and

We

I was

know you

I

1;

easements

draft
one

are

form.

was

case

is

all

was

on

1;

you

if

correct? That's

to

good
the

MR. WEINBERG:

2C

MS. SMITH:

an

interior

they

are

not

do

be

here

That

is

An

easement

but

for what?

Preservation easements

and

mentioned.
MR. RAMPELL:

Well,

Mrs.

24

these preservation easements

25

I

form that

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

Area Code (407)6594155

with

that, is that

22

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

for

I

a

interior preservation easement has been

the

a

today

21

mean

question

my question.

is

23

all

looked at

different and

those easements written out.

prepared

us

believe that

I

1E

not

we'd

are

hoping that you would

were

looked at the

giving

individual and
Each

one

and the preservation

commend you

preservation easement, but

had and

reading

glad

the open vista easements
and

MarLago
a-

I

I

was

you looked at them,

easements

what

deal with that.
of

one

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MS. SMITH:

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reservations

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if

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people there wanting

have dinner?

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MS. SMITH:

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yes, ma'am.

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21

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enclosing

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finance man, but if I could go

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than 55

more

exterior whatsoever.

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you

for

use

dining

dining

room.

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ever.

in the

if you had

contemplation

any

MR. RAMPELL:
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area

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discussed to the

downstairs where the spa would be
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financial

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will

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Thank you very much.

get you nowhere.

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MR. RAMPELL:

Really

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MS. SMITH:

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could.

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want

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ask questions?
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people

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understanding

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me

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have two

lunch

at

the beach

today what
and

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MR. RAMPELL:

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MS. DOUTHIT:

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MR. RAMPELL:

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22

couldn't resist that.

23

cabanas.

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MS. DOUTHIT:

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MS. SMITH:

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said my

only.

have

we

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have

said,

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we

have

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MS. DOUTHIT:'

The other

thing they said,-

2

what about

3

My

answer, pure

4

be

down there

5

the basement.

6

played

7

want to

8

the top of my head that's where

9

if

it

locker

guesswork

as

and get

change

11

MS. DOUTHIT:

health club in

all

hot

and
I

sweaty, they

simply
I

said off

would put

them

Pool,

same

Female

thing, obviously.

locker

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rooms

assume

in the basement with the health club.

go

13

MR. RAMPELL:

People will be required

take showers before

15

16

the

would

they

me.

MS. WEINER:

14

my part,

their clothes.

10

12

of

piece

a

on

court?

Because, apparently, if they

tennis

were

for the tennis

rooms

MR. WEINBERG:
now

17

to

ask

a

comment,

19

very specific

20

But

Mrs.

No.

I

like to

21

what

I

22

upon

us

this

afternoon

23

I

think

they

are

24

that

we

have

an

25

is

very beautiful

a

are

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would

like

ready

you

to make

now

talking

bring

a

lot

a

about

all back to

us

major considerations put

twofold.

obligation

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think

the pool.

Royal,

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in

question?

MS. ROYAL:

18

jumping

to

this

evening

One,
to

I

truly

help

and valuable

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believe

preserve what

piece

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property in whatever is the best

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preserve

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of

4

look at the overall public

interest and I think

5

if

specifics within

6

those

7

decision.

us

we

who

here

are

look at all

MR. WEINBERG:

12

also

must

arrive at

can

a

No

questions.

to make

a

question.

a

Who would

motion?

13

MS. ROYAL:

14

MR. WEINBERG:

15

we

we

Any other questions?

I'
d like to have
like

the Council

guidelines, perhaps

9

11

on

of these

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more

to

it. And, secondly, I think for those

8

10

manner

Is

it

in order?

Skip,

can

you guide

us

over

the rocks?

16

MR. RANDOLPH:

Previously

I

indicated

that,

17

in the event that you make

18

the

evidence that the burden-has not been met

19

the

applicant

20

criteria, then, obviously,

21

would be

22

exception should

23

you

24

site plan review you, should state the

25

for the denial.

were

as

that the

to

deny

to

by

your

for

a

determination

special

be granted and in the event

the special exception for the

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If, however, you find that the applicant

2

has met the

3

don't feel

4

burden is with you to

5
6

initial burden and if you still
that it should be granted, then the
show

why it should

granted based upon-the testimony that

be

not

came

before you today.

7

I

think that you have heard

a

great deal of

8

testimony

9

which have been asked to be imposed both
by the

and you

have heard

lot of conditions

a

10

staff, by people

11

of which

12

I

13

that you

14

you wish to

15

that you think it should be granted.

who

have testified

today,

some

have been accepted by the applicant and

think in

any final decision

making

should be clear

as

on

this

what conditions

to

AMIL

16

In

in the

impose

determining

event

your decision

that it should be granted

17

you

18

interest.

19

then

20

should outline the conditions which
you

21

should be

22

adverse to the public

23

is

should find it'
s not adverse to the
public

if

So

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you

I

should be your

were

imposed

to

pass

it

in order

on

to

first
that

not

finding
basis,

have

and

you

feel
it be

interest.

think you should give due

24

consideration

251

come

to

all

of the

testimony that

before you and all of the discussions

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special exception, what should go into the

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sure

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were

interest.

any further than that

you

in that

MS. WEINER:
to

think

I

of the conditions which
you

say that

be very careful

in

go

drafted to make

feel will maintain the public
So

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all

should

inclined to approve the

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incorporates

what

reasonable

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to

thing

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promises put

on

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you have

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make

final determination? In other words,

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can

our

we

opportunity

look at it before

to

have all the paper in hand

in deed, if

we

move

forward

on

all

20

full protection of the Town and of

21
22

23

the

things

rather than
this

that

going

need to

we

rather

that

we

this, we'll

19

of

so

than

have

we

have

for the

MarLago
a-

doing something

evening?
MR. RANDOLPH:

If

you

don't

feel that

24

you're prepared this evening

25

determination in regard to it, it is
certainly

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within your

2

to

3

back with

4

least

5

the

6

imposed

7

this.

8

conditions.

9

Mr.

to

continue

time certain and direct the

a

10

prerogative

a

a

staff

draft of

in the event that you
could

we

Rampell

In

were

to

see

grant

meet with

impose those.

we

need, of

course, is

11

to

12

of the comments, but

13

the conditions you would like to

and we've

received

MS. DOUTHIT:

just by the

need to

we

Are

some

input

have

input

you suggesting

Miss

16

approval, conditional approval? Conceptual

17

approval?

18

suggesting

MS. WEINER:

19

comfort

20

come

21

the whole

22

talking about.

23

ask

24

when

25

of

to

the

I'
m

a

to

as

imposed.

see

Weiner,

you

as

nature

15

are

at

or

back to you with those

come

fact, staff would

and

come

document which will contain

a

conditions which you would like to

And

meeting

to

document which will contain

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14

this

conceptual

talking about giving

applicant if,in fact,

he

some

can

forward with the proper legal papers with

for

a

package put together.
In

number of other

there's

no

the members

serious

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things

interest

of the Council

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s

think it would be unfair.
don't

think

3

regardless

E

in fact, in
we

we

of

how honorable

due

a

the Council

position

I

May

is

we

make

a

14

now?

suggestion

exception subject

Declaration of Use Agreement that Mr.
that

suggested

were

motion could be made to

a

approve of the special

had

because,

MarLago
a-

reduction of the various conditions to

14

word

may be

where

I

inclined to approve the

special exception
1(

they

hand,

diligence.

MR. RAMPELL:
If

anybody's

the Town and

protecting

would not be in

exercising

take

just

can

On the other

is

subject

to

to

the

a

Randolph

your final

approval.

15

MS. WEINER:

That's

a

little bit too broad.

16

I

17

staff

18

say

everything that

has

19

now

before

prior

20

through

21

some

22

hundred percent deal, but that
you

23

have

24

favorable if,in deed, all the

25

have discussed

would

like to hear

come

a

I

forward in the

But

us.

those

level

or

hoops

of

I

would like to

see

our

situation where they

been promised
to

today

having everyone

think you

is
go

should be given

comfort that you don't have

a

certainly

situation that looks very,
very, very

today,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite

or

that

1

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
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we

may continue to

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1515,

subjects

International Place
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INC.
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2499 Glades Road
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1

discuss, will

2

documents will be

forward and all of those

come

in order.

3

MS. SMITH:

4

MR. RAMPELL:

Mr. President.

Many times conceptual

5

approval is given by this

6

bodies.

7
8

Mr.-..
Randolph

gave

9

and

by other

also want to mention another alternative.

I

I

Council

MS. WEINER:

a

draft

today and

Mrs. Smith

11

easements

being prepared.

12

thing

13

package.

14

what we're

A conditional

changes

about actual

talking

was

been

That's

the

talking about; the total,

kind of

total

situation may be

of

more

talking about.

15

MS. SMITH:

16

MR. WEINBERG:

17

MS. SMITH:

Mr. President.
Mrs. Smith.

I'
m

not

entirely

18

clear

19

to.

I'
m not

20

that

were

21

to

22

your traffic expert and from Mr.

23

do you

24

that will

25

Please

sure

that

I

am

all the conditions you said you agreed

on

hear

agreement.

an

Well, there have

10

I'
m

of

a

that

sure

agree with the

presented by the staff.
very definitive

all

answer

I

ones

would

Tipton

on

is

the realistic number of

occur

if

becomes
MarLago
a-

us

a

figure.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &

We

have

a

what

trips

club?

heard from

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from you, from

feel

give

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

I

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
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2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1

five different people

2

And, also, how many members

3

talking

4

313 trips

5

members

6

you would accept

7

that Council

8

deal.

9

what

or

611 members

reduced.

on

not

am

now

you

think

when it

forward.

from

us

to

prepared

We

15

you

16

So many

17

know what

18

membership.

God

have

questions

MR. RA,
MPELL:

20

MS. SMITH:

21

MR. RAMPELL:
was

MS. SMITH:

24

agree with him.

25

MR. MOORE:

Talking

Area Code (407) 6594155

I

He

digested
said

lawyers

and

up

to move

I'
d

about

like

had.
to

for

611.

think your traffic

said

Let

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

had

are

611.

okay provided

23

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

come

we

would say I

I

figure you're talking

19

said that

all you

forbid that

and

anxious

say that I

all the information, but
so

here

are

on

from the Town

came

sitting

14

hadn't

you said

got very premature

what

12

was

what

sure

into giving you the

we

paying good attention.

came

number of

a

the trips, but I don't know

11

I

are

and there's

really got

mean I

I

I

and what

13

County.

about? You said that Mr. Weidner said

10

22

the

including

him

so

had the

but maybe

clarify

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we

expert
303.

we

don't

that.

REPORTING,"
AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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1
2

MS. SMITH:
that

in

3

a

going

let him

to

clarify

minute.

would

I

I'
m

also like to know what would be the

4

restrictions

5

I'
m very concerned that you

6

members

7

or

8

Mr. and Mrs. That would

9

you wouldn't discriminate by

on

the members

and that would be

individual

and their

might

guests and

have

members,

611

couples

not

That would not be

memberships.
have

to

be

either/or and

eliminating

10

member of

11

died? You wouldn't do that.

12

wouldn't.
You also wouldn't make it too

13

expensive

14

discriminate

on

15

discriminate

against

16

have

17

You

18

available to

19

about

20

dinner limits

21

with.

22

couple, right,

because

might find
are

talking

the

if

defining

24

Bath &

the

other

I'
m

sure

not

you're

going

one

you

to

the middle class.

exorbitant
about

fees

They

impractical.

completely

a

open

club,

everyone and I would like to know

weekly guests,
and what

members

Tennis

if

any basis whatsoever you cannot

MR. RAMPELL:

23

25

a

one

the

day guests

figures

With

all

you

due

in the exact

and the

could work

respect,

same

we

are

way that the

Club.

MS. SMITH:

I

don't

read the Bath &

Tennis

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

membership guide.

2

the members.

3

I'
m

4

different

5

I'
m

6

the process

7

application.

9

not

sure

how they define

They do have limits, though, and

just asking

have

to

this

have given

people

asking for

8

I'
m

an

explained because
us

different charts.

explanation really

reaching the conclusion of

to

MR. WEIDNER:

think the

I

the Town to protect

itself

and to insure that

meets

11

ma'am,

12

the club to

13

methodology that

14

trips

15

basically

16

the

17

meeting

18

to

19

traffic

20

number they need to meet Palm Beach

21

Traffic

22

200 trips

23

of

24

detailed

25

counted

special exception requirements
made

I

came

313

C.

is

trips
has

or

339 members.

The

correlated

membership

from the applicant's

report and

it

was

their
the

it

recommendation to either limit

a

back

safest way to

utilize

this

safest way for

10

the

part of

as

in the traffic.

I

and

think

insure that the Town is

requirements and responsibility
313 trips.

I

is

believe every

expert here has agreed that is the

Performance Standards.
and

The

they

are

County

They

are

allowed

allowed the existing

Tipton report

indicated

and did

use

some

counts; actually went out there and
You average those
MarLago.
a-

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

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counts

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 319

1

and

2

use.

3

Traffic

up with 113

come

4

Plus

the

That's

the

should

is

313.

also stipulate that

system be involved where

6

club

7

report and

8

enforcement would have to kick in if

9

that.

a

And

during peak

year
at

counts

which time

sort

forget about membership

10

itself, because nobody has the

11

information

12

membership

13

they

14

Performance

15

correlated to

16

need

as

the

18

agrees

and trips, but

313

MR. TIPTON:

That's

limit

a

correct

it

is definite that
Traffic
can

quantifiable.

number that

Everybody
It

be

That's

everybody

is

with

agreeing

could be monitored

313.

monthly

season.

22

MR. WEIDNER:

23

MR. WEINBERG:

24

than annual monitoring.

25

as

trips.

20

the

it exceeded

trips.

only quantifiable

MS. SMITH:

in

a

of

Standards Ordinance which

19

21

and expect

to meet Palm Beach County

on, 313

the

at

the correlation between

to

MR. MOORE:

17

taken

are

season

some

monitoring

a

5

once

existing

200 under the Palm Beach County

Performance

You

trips.

MR. WEIDNER:

With

monitoring procedure.

Six month

Once

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

a

a

year

monitoring rather

during

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the

peak

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

season.

2

MR. MOORE:

3

MS. WEINER:

During peak
Mr.

season.

Weinberg,

have another

I

4

question.

5

events, I think

we

6

about numbers.

I

7

bit about what happens when the Lago
MaraClub,

8

if

9

Tennis

it

And that

should

to

talk

think

we

need to talk

little bit

a

a

special

event

11

which you

12

certain other times

13

events

14

forth you would expect to have.

surely would

the

at

time, which you surely would have

on

special

need

10

based

to

a

little

into existence, and the Bath &

come

both have

is, in regard

same

New Years

have Valentine's

Eve,
and

Day

and also how many special

membership projections

and

so

that

by

AQMN~

15

I'
d like to

MR. RAMPELL:

answer

16

saying

17

to

18

both clubs

avoid

19

Club has

a

calendar of events.

20

having

special

21

coordinate

22

year,

23

will

24

presently

25

I

told Mr. Moore

that

we

also

are

accept the condition that special

a

we

event

on

the calendars

will not have

one

at

one

respect their special
take

Bath &

at

Tennis

they're

night,

the
on

If

events

if

we

beginning

can

of

that night and

events

the
we

which

place.

MS. WEINER:

Certainly,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

The

overlapping.

willing

once

every

& CONSOR REPORTING

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so

often

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S,E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

like New Years Eve,

2

3

and Valentine's

4
5

We'd like to avoid New Years

MR. RAMPELL:

Eve

MS. WEINER:
an

like that.

days

Day.

You would

MR. RAMPELL:

7

prohibition,

8

days.

9

of

We'd

like

MS. WEINER:

Obviously,

you're

11

think they should and you

12

of

13

different

14

congestion.

not

going

avoid

hours

or

MR. RAMPELL:

those

on

there

into

run

two

times,

are

give up the day.

to

situation there.

15

to

course, override

10

don't

I

kind

major

a

Perhaps, you could

start

something just

to

ease

Are

on

those two

saying

you

at

the

evenings also?

17

MS. WEINER:

18

starts

19

some

20

something

21

benefit

22
23

having

event? .

6

16

like to avoid

Ours

at

7:
30

No.

the

of

Perhaps

if

one

other could start at

kind of relief.
to

No.

Not

be worked out

as

a

8:
00,

must, but

as

for the mutual

the members.

MR. RAMPELL:

We'll coordinate the time.

will

a

start

at

24

MR. WEINBERG:

25

MS. WEINER:

On

different time.

Correlating

schedule.

average how many

special

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau

Building

319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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1

events

2

the

do you

plan

do

or

club?
MS. SMITH:

3

How can you

4

the Board of Directors

5

MR. RAMPELL:

6

MR. WEINER:

I

8

thought about it,but

9

a

feel

a

certain number of

MR. RAMPELL:

among all

of

the

MS. WEINER:

14

MR. RAMPELL:

the

I'
m

any one's

clubs

in town have

events.

would

even

Would you

be half?

or

agree to the average

Thank you.
I

MR. WEINBERG:

17

They

18

minutes

19

right back.

21

question.

want

to

something

say

to

you.

16

20

all

special

We

not

clubs.

13

15

here whether

expect to have double, triple

11

12

get

that

answer

Well, would it be

trying

to

know? You're

of the Club.

can't

7

10

you expect to have at

must

the

change

for the

a

23

moment.

I

don't

The

Mr. Ciklin.

25

MR. CIKLIN:

Mr.

the

change

was

moment.

a

was

tape and

come

taken.)

meeting

know who

24

for

stop

tape and let's take five

recess

MR. WEINBERG:

order.

must

them to

Thereupon,

22

We

is

back

speaking

President,

I

to

at

the

suggest,

to

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
2713
Area Code (305) 371-

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 323

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1

maybe

2

try

3

make mistakes

and

4

precise

want

5

however,

6

there.

7

spoken.

8

They're part

9

confident

round this

up, I think if

talk about conditions we're both going to

to

as

we

are

They

they're

there.

are

of

the

11

be

12

the

13

you will

then approve.

14

you tell

us

15

back to

to

rest

you

precise language

as

conditions,
over

all been

application.
feel

I

very

working with

our

and the

bring

the

reports and

with

that,

to

The

have

They

of

Mr.

able

be.

be

to

going

located within the machine

They're part

Randolph

not

them to

10

16

continue to

we

a

that

of your
of

conditions

have

approved

set
we

staff, we'll

If you

don't

and

like them,

and you don't approve them and

the

drawing

However, what

in

we

board.

we

would ask you to do,

17

before

18

complicated process,

19

already

20

of the

21

conditions

22

your approval

23

words, you don't approve the conditions; until

24

you

25

crossing

do

undertake that rather

we

made

and that

the

lengthy,

suggestion

was

a

on

back to you

our

have the

final

approval.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

in

to

For

I

approval

the

In

and

other

dotting

and T

example,

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
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was

writing

of those conditions.

don't

we

that

conditional

special exception subject

coming

go

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (305) 3712713

Area Code (407)3380955

 324

1

Mrs. Smith

2

be able to read the traffic condition and say

3

or

4

You want

5

easement.

You

6

easement.

If you

7

or

we

8

to

add this

9

back to the

yes,

is

concerned about traffic.

why

or

don't you

modify

She will
no

it this way.

know the about the preservation

to

don't

will

have

the

preservation

say this doesn't work for

like this organization

why didn't you

or

board.

drawing

add

us

you need

or

this,

we

go

Conversely, if you

10

like

11

thing

12

writing.

13

talking about.

14

lane.

You'll know about the number of members.

15

You'll

know about the traffic

16

going

17

it,you say
for

to

A

the

okay;

see

You'll

19

some

20

that.

21

the

22

rainbow and

23

your favorable condition

of

a

conditions,
we

we

the

counts

will

we

left

turn

that we're

do

it

and

I

don't

approval subject
satisfy

don't reach

we

must

your wish

our

think this works

to

for

end of the

and would ask

consideration.

Mr. Kollins

acknowledge

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

but

conditional

Again, if

hand.

in

for you to consider, if you would,

MR. WEINBERG:

his

be

annually.

would ask

2.5

Same

on.

It will

know about

18

24

move

it. You'll know what we're

big undertaking,

sort

we

parking plan.

You'll

do

it'
s

has

been

raising

him.

& CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY INC.

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place

100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 325

1

MR. CIKLIN:

2

reopening

3

again,

4

the

Mr.

Excuse me.

the applicant

6

have

moment

a

8

questions

and I

9

reopening

up the

suggestion

12

request that

13

I

want

to

We

aware

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to

we

were

public hearing again.
You

heard Mr. Ciklin's

be

able

to

make

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respectfully
That's

one.

all

to.

MS. SMITH:

15

MR. WEINBERG:

What?

16

MS. SMITH:

would

17

asked him what

18

the

Mr. President

I

he wanted to

be

say

covered
as

if

I

member of

a

public?

19

MR. CIKLIN:

20

MS. SMITH:

22

that

what you ought do.

on

to

could

I

responding

were

not

was

talking

something.

say

14

21

we

meeting

hours, perhaps

to

MR. KOLLINS:

11

all been

You've

for two

MR. CIKLIN:

10

are

President?

5

7

of the

public portion

MR. KOLLINS:

just

this

Is

That's

fine.

Thank you.

We

want

to

do

it

right.
MR. KOLLINS:

23

Alan Ciklin's

24

because

25

disposing

I

I

suggestion

think the
of

this

to you

measure

up to

a

with

point

undertaking of properly

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West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
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decision

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give conceptual approval

say that is

because

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up.

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about

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give conceptual approval.

14

real

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conceptual approval and

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you

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flexibility, work

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work out.

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to

haven't

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subdivision.

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was

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retain your
you need to

why you

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so.

21

Thank you

22

HR. WEINBERG:

for

23

but conditional.

24

MR. CIKLIN:

25

for

listening.
The word wasn't

What we're

conceptual approval but

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

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asking for

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2499 Glades Road
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approval subject

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to, which is

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then there

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if

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approval

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subject

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other two.

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Mr.

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in

subject
well,

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when

we

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the

writing,

the two attorneys,

to

get

the

on

third; dismiss

the

Randolph.

MR. RANDOLPH:

11

Council wants

12

opinion in regard

13

to move

14

Neither do

15

approval

16

defined.

to

I

see

no

give

its

sense

this

to

forward with the
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as

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18

Mr. Ciklin's

19

record

all of the conditions

20

discussed

and we'll

21

don't know that

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satisfaction

23

may be incorporated within that agreement.

24

Therefore,

25

a

concern

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is

that

statement

we

and it'
s
that

those

put

on

the

that we've

in

a

document.

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have discussed to your

tonight

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think it'
s

of

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little bit too broad to

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

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MR. WEINBERG:

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to

don't

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approval.

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satisfy

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If

to.

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conditions

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AGENCY, INC.

International Place
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E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
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approval subject

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you're going

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tonight all of

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like to

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then

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conditional

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misunderstanding.

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later time when

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form that's

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we

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particular evening

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again.

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some

14

you

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forward with

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that

17

asking

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come

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the

20

say you didn't

for

if

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agreement and

room

could

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have

to

are

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of direction

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applicant

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document

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come

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to move
can

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that the staff and he get together and

back with

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agreement which will

forth

set

conditions.
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think that's

asking for,
they're..

22

define

for

23

have

problem with

25

think

you give

once

and then

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24

in that

talk about

to me

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comment

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that you would

approval, there is

and

sense

you.

conditions

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10

are

to

do that you should discuss

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to

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us

but unless

all of those

MR. CIKLIN:

through the

something short

chair

to

as

President, if

Mr.

are

conditions,

the request

Mr.

you

of what

it'
s
I

going
then

to

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made.

might

Randolph.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

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Mr.

know

we

can

areas

of

the conditions,

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Randolph,

2

have

3

like, for example, traffic, but

4

probably virtually impossible

5

can, but

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of

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agreed

8

this and we've

9

certainly identify

identified the

it'
s

time to
to

going

stand here

thinking

11

then between

12

specifics

13

bring

14

this

15

it,but go

16

approval is

17

the

18

have

a

is

we

that

22

there

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be

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would

which

are

in the
the

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do this.
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list of

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blanks

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else

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to

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fact.

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condition,

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as

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complete.

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record.

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there

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in agreement,

just because something isn't
a

we

say, well, we've

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mean

inordinate amount

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identify

fill

us

MS. WEINER:

21

I

to.

that, but

to

agreed

categories here

be

think it'
s

I

those back to the Council.
is

20

and

and

left turn lane. and we've agreed to

a

10

19

take

to

identify

mentioned

mean

that

it

can't

point.

24

MR. CIKLIN:

That

25

MS. WEINER:

I

is

think

absolutely
we

have

not

come

to

a

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 330

1

decision guest

2

things

3

are

4

will

5

accomplished

6

and

7

personally,

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way that

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probably

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wise.

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out

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preserve this edifice.

can

any other way.

see

who's

someone

the matter

come

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to

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11

who's

12

the

13

available, that gentleman had the money and

14

had

no

15

and

I

16

neglect.

17

to

18

kept

19

can

20

of

21

preservation of this building

22

probably

the

23

however,

that

24

conditions

25

situation where

putting

fact of

up

a

much

the matter

inclination to
would hate

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keep his
at

home

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this

the

level

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Mr.

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larger building.

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see

us

in

a

amicable about this,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place

Suite 205

B. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

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where if

2

a

3

be done

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4
5

in the

8

add conditions

9

list.

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15
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that there

in

Mr.

limiting

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can

still questions

have

we

Council's

that may not be in

out

no

ability

to

master

our

understand that and that's

We

MR. WEINBERG:

that

We

our

understand that

have

we

ability.
MR. CIKLIN:

We

both understand each other,

then.
MS. WEINER:

That's

fine.

That means

traffic
MR. CIKLIN:

We

18

MS. WEINER:

Well,

19

MS. SMITH:

20

MR. WEINBERG:

21

MS. SMITH:

23

is

President,

17

22

do it,but that it

to

understanding.

11

13

weeks, if it takes

interest of Lago.
Mara-

MR. CIKLIN:

interest

12

more

there.

7

10

few

a

conditions

more

I'
m sure

6

D-1

it takes

have

break

a

how would

now

here.

through
we

Mr. President.

Yes,

Could

Mrs. Smith.

ask

I

a

question

of Mr.

Randolph?
Mr.

Randolph,

24

conditional

25

remember it very

what

approval?

is
It

clearly

the
seems

stipulation
to me

either.

If

I
we

on

don't

give

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407)3380955

 332

I

1

conditional

2

conceptual approval

3

don't

4

covered,

5

act

is

approval

that

and if

the
do

we

upon it,conditional
is

same

do

as

that

approval is

s
No, it'

not

talked about,

The

problem with

6

nor

7

conceptual approval,

8

misunderstanding

and

if

someone

9

conceptual approval,

to

their detriment

conceptual approval.
it'
s

just

10

basis of that conceptual

11

have

12

against you because they have

13

you've given

14

end you

15

so

give

moved

an

approval for

with

17

approval.

18

approve, approve with conditions

19

are

where you

22

have

23

need to

24

going

can

problem

a

could

estoppel
forward;

some

at

the

says

or

reason.

given

are

point

that,

but

I

you may
Those

deny.
to

this

approve with conditions
with

the

with conditional

fact, your ordinance

Now, if you're

21

25

problem

the three options that

20

the

on

conceptual approval.

I

In

a

approval, they

16

a

gets

conceptual approval, yet in

problems

don't have

with

fraught

action for equitable

a

don't
have

I

of

cause

a

not

it?

MR. RANDOLPH:

is

and

you.

evening
I

don't

think that you

know at least what those conditions

to

are

be before you approve with conditions.

MS. SMITH:

But

you also gave

us

the

fourth

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)371.2713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 333

f

1

option

2

discussion

as

3

supposedly

were

4

believe the

5

Council,

6

LW-A

of continuing this

all

final

discussed

approval

with the

MR. RANDOLPH:

7

options

8

would be taken

9

finally addressed

that

by

today,

Those three

the

are

the

Council when this
a

motion.

that

options

There's

is

nothing

10

that precludes you

11

subsequent

12

get together to

13

which would contain the conditions

14

applicant

and the

15

result

the discussions made here today and

16

setting

17

acting

18

of

to

the

from

staff would

time

certain

on

that

at

that
But

of

this

and

to

meeting

back to you with

a

MS. SMITH:

directing the applicant

adjournment

come

I

with the Town

rests

Absolutely.

in

because

staff.

discussed

I

further

looked into the conditions that

we

not

for

meeting

a

document

that the

incorporate

as

a

back and

coming

time.

how do

we

react

to

the

19

questions that

20

that have not been answered because you haven't

21

had

a

22

the

lowest

23

members

chance really to

Have

of

the

Council have had

look into what would be

number of members you could have?
ever

you

24

membership?

25

monitoring

considered

Because

the

I

traffic

have

it

a

staggered

difficulty

and then if

it

with

appears

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525.6723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 334

1

too

2

people

3

big

and

the

roads

can't

4

how you

are

going

to

much, going back.
out

members

as

Would you be

if you discover it'
s
handle

plan

it?
I

MR. CIKLIN:

Mr. President.

6

Miss

Mrs.

7

be handled there's

8

We

9

out

couldn't

monitoring

yearly

basis

so

we

will

12

where

we

13

level where

14

one

15

already exceeded, what

16

implement

17

instead

18

employees,

19

all

20

service

21

regular basis

22

attend the club;

23

dinner;

I

24

me

up.

And that would

25

to

pick

up

be

traffic

we

were

If

traffic

on

a

in.

live

on

three

is

such

as

of the

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somebody
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and

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save.

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m

says

people.

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wanted to

coming

to

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would be
I'
m

CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
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Area Code (305)5256723

would

service

road;

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or

limousine

provide

pick up members who

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY &
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

would have to do

40 percent

regular basis
to

reach

wanted to exceed

savings things

would bus

shuttled

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some

we

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always

engineers will always

traffic.

on

throw

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be

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would

to

know;

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nor

going

11

are

that would

We're

traffic

a

see

several traffic techniques.

10

on

don't

Smith, the way

throw out members

members.

too

it.

5

Smith.

throwing

coming

able
to

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 335

1

play tennis; pick up three

or

2

you wouldn't have three

four

3

types of

4

inserted under those circumstances.

5

MS. SMITH:

6

the

7

to

first

Here we

time we've

MR. CIKLIN:

perfectly honest

heard
so

We

me

11

but

let

12

long

13

price people around,

14

of money on this.

tell you what
me

I

say it again.

time and,

What

are

we

obviously

would

Mr.

like

could be

7:
30

and that's

as

an

answer

getting somewhere.

And, again, let

with you.

Let

15

we

those

So

cars.

of this

are.

10

at

are

and

people

mechanisms

savings

possible traffic

8

9

traffic

or

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thought

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be

me

was.

think

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ve

We've

been at this

said

it,
a

with all of these

high

Trump has spent

lot

a

leave with tonight

to

16

we'll

17

to

18

what

we

would like to leave with is

19

once

we

do that,

20

conditions,

that

21

in the

time while we're

22

on

23

wrong, but the

political

24

something

wrong where you spend another 30

25

days

spend

draft

the

or

as

much time

and effort

the conditions which

mean

conditions

goes

satisfy
a

we

satisfy

you

we

have

approval.

that

an

I

as

to

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

Area Code (407) 6594155

sense

that

the
So

that

don't know what goes

winds

come

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

you

diligently working

whatever it takes, and then

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

it takes

as

and

we

go;

find out

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 336

1

that

somebody spoke

2

Now

if

listen,

4

big.

He's

5

won't

waste

6

our

7

conditions.

8

you to do.

we're

heads

9

big boys.

heard

it

our

time

off

and da, da, da.

somebody

don't want to approve us,

you

3

to

Mr.

before.
in the
to

trying

MS. SMITH:

Tell
next

we

Then

us.

30

we

days working

up with the

come

That's what

Trump is especially

really

asking

are

think that's very fair but

I

I

10

don't

11

impression that anyone

12

disapprove

you.

13

putting in

all

14

questions

15

preservation

of

16

building,

a

17

to

18

Palm Beach.

We must

19

So

that's

we're

20

these questions

21

answer

22

Woodbridge

23

has

24

really the big picture.

25

and the preservation
preservation of Lago
Mara-

the

a

for

speaking

to

here

really

I

of

myself,

this

don't

I

is

to

sitting

don't.I

time

get the

and

feel we're

all of these

try and address it for the

as

the

structure

as

a

landmark

landmark property from the ocean

lake and for the people of the Town of

why

that many

protect the residents

asking

in the

or

I

am

asking all of

hopes of getting

safeguard

Road and the

an

Not

everyone.

Bath &

too.

Tennis

just

and who

Valentines party who doesn't.
That's

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

Area Code (407) 6594155

It

is

the overall

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

not

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 337

1

of

the

2

for the

3

and its residents,
MarLago
a-

4

all

5

have

quality

of

life

people

of

Palm Beach

in the

heading

6

not

MR. CIKLIN:

impression

don't have any

8

impression

9

for, you know, and again,
the

and that's

point but maybe

11

The

don't

we

includes

think we're

I

so

it'
s

We, I guess,
have

really

an

of what we're

sort

I'
m

asking

sorry to belabor

helpful.

conditions

that

12

conditions, there's

some

13

important

14

ones

15

helicopters.

16

limiting

17

by

18

with

19

County's Traffic Performance Standards and

20

adhere to all

21

traffic

22

are

23

also

24

program which is very important; crucial

25

condition with valet, the

and

our

The

conditions

not.

expert

so

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a

that

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we

ones

level

to

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as

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recommended
to

comply
and the

stated

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to

by

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put that in writing.

very detailed special

like

things

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concurrency requirements

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are

unimportant

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expert.

prepared

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the Town's

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really

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are

your

some

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hope

otherwise.

have not.

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7

10

and that

direction and I

same

the

given

in the Town of Palm Beach

limitation

on

we

have

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events

your

traffic

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MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 338

1

number of people, the limitation

2

and the

3

We

4

policemen.

5

agreed

6

needs

7

about the preservation.

have

8
9

days

the

times

of the week that those

can

happen.

limitations
That's

be

to

or

know that

We

first

Rampell's

11

that.

We

12

things

are

13

transcribed.

just

have

So

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just

also know all

we

We

composed.

about

all

know about

it. The
need

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So, again, what

have

we

that Mr. Lawrence

need to write

there.

is.

book talks

preservation principles

and Mr. Pandula

and

important

have

to

requirements

put in writing.

10

14

on

very

upon that.

Mr.

the

on

important
be

to

is

to

know

and then we'll

go

full

we're

seeking

15

that

16

speed ahead

to

give you the conditions and then

17

you'll tell

us

when you would

18

you're satisfied with them

19

And we'll

20

say, no,

21

approval because

22

acceptable agreement

23

we

have

something

keep

at

don't

we

MS. WEINER:

24

whether this

25

hesitancy

for

it until you

agree, then

it'
s

to

Mr.

are.

we

not.

you're
And

don't

if

we

have

our

you.

President,
be

motion because

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

that

conditioned upon that

thought might
a

or

like them, when

I

don't

good.
I

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

saw

a

think we'd

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

I

know

like

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (305) 3712713

Area Code (407) 3380955

 339

1

to

2

comfort

3

suggestions

to you.

4

have

come

5

and

6

and their word

7

making fun

8

day.

9

go

have

everything in hand.
of

being able

people

I

home

of

attorneys

and talk about

11

believe

12

in front of you

13

of

we

five

them

rely

can

on

been

We've

during

the

when

Now, we'd like to

believe,

I

people who

think you
also

are

see

people

integrity

15

MS. WEINER:

Six

people.

Well, you

don't vote,

it

so

doesn't matter.

17

and

staff

with

18

based

19

whether

20

feelings

at

21

matter.

Would that

22

answer?

25

off

at

probably sit back

You

like to

MR. ILYINSKY:

24

and

on

politicians.

14

23

we

usually

when you leave these hallowed halls

10

16

look

relatively good.

don't know.
or

we

we

that

people

are

is

and

us

have the

we

certain other

wonder if

I

before

say those

we

make

to

know

We

on

integrity.

But

I

wonder,

that,

if

you also have that

feeling,

poll

of

each

our

a

this

MS. SMITH:

time

one

of

us

and

in relation to the whole

satisfy you?

You

don't want

to

No

is

the

listen to

a

politician.
MR. RAMPELL:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

No.

I

love

politicians.

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

I

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955
2499

 340

1

do.

2

opportunity

3

motion for approval of the club

4

to

5

may wish to impose in the

6

we

7

that at least that type of

8

made.

9

which

10

I

if

have

an

least hear

at

as

a

a

subject

use

future.

think that

I

shown you enough detail about the club

think that it

I
I

can't

I

motion could be

a

solves

lot of

a

I'
m not

guess

problems

supposed

to

go

into.

MS. WEINER:

12

discussed the

13

club

14

today

15

an

16

that

Mr.

and

perhaps

that

take

the

care

some

18

if

19

that.

20

is

each

one

It

being

asked

23

in

I

like

building

25

came

to

receptive

to.

is

Does

have

problem

no

with that

individually give

something

than that

more

for.

know, but

I

we're

trying

to

the middle.

All

MR. RAMPELL:

24

is

a

everything?

MS. WEINER:
meet

we

the discussions of

on

of you want to

sounds

if

further modifications

Council

of

what

that the idea of

understanding

MR. RANDOLPH:

21

Randolph,

for Lago
based
Mara-

idea

17

22

couldn't

we

missing

unlimited number of conditions that you

an

11

Lw~

think that we're

just

on

here? If

you and

I

is

want

had

we

said,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

I

can

a

I

can

vacant

build

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

we

a

build

lot

and

a

I

building

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431

Area Code (407) 338-0955

 341

1

on

2

Can

3

don't want

4

will do

5

any limits you wish to

6

back

7

But

8

conditions.- -

this

this

convert

we

so; we'll

will

we

be

begin
an

10

anyone

11

they

12

think you

are

13

from them

today.

14

the

Council

going

approved subject

17

redundant because you

18

a

19

and the conditions

20

if

have
to

you meet

Now, I

a

can

on

an

has

I

to

any unlimited
are

the

a

club be

conditions

entitled to the

imposed by the

is

use

of

Council

Town.

that

you, that

23

can

24

conditions

25

problem with them giving that kind of

to

give

that this

is

approved by them, subject
we

motion

criteria of the ordinance

tell this

feels

a

don't

suggest, however, that

suggested, that

it wishes

that

bring

don't think

club there and I

22

be

on

indicated that

certainly,

it

we

agreement.

21

if

you

can,

get that kind of

to

16

club

we

And we'll

President,

today

just like
you

If

so.

work

to

see

a

as

not? If

or

impose.

Mr.

15

motion,

club

unlimited number of

don't want to

I would

a

not?

or

make the conversion based

MR. RANDOLPH:
on

to

to, just say

us

it will

9

1-1

property, any kind of building,

come

it'
s

sense

something
to

to

that

meeting the

back with, I have

no

an

J
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 525-6723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 342

1

indication.

2

making

3

upon them which

4

exception

5

unlimited number of exceptions which
may be

6

imposed

7

problems and

I

8

it'
s

me

9

don't know

is

at

can't

to

11

entitled to

12

conditions

13

you

14

subject

15

know

this

figure

why that's

they

not

MR. RAMPELL:

17

redundancy.

18

Mr.

have

to

in

leads
course

the

mean

I

deed,
if

you

are

you meet
if

the

they give

in favor of this,

are

Well,

to

motion

a

And

conditions,

enough for

don't

I

an

get into your mind, but

meeting

you

of

out

they impose.

that

sense

meeting

think that

I

tonight when,

that

binding

special

to

special exception

a

be

to

says, yes, your

why you need

approving

going

later time.

for

to

is

with them

problem

a

approved subject

a

10

16

do have

I

motion which

a

not

a

But

I

can

don't

I

you.
live with the

be humorous,

to

Randolph.

19

MR. RANDOLPH:

20

MR. RAMPELL:

21

intended

22

though,

23

think that

24

use

25

conditions

of

as

if

a

a

The

joke.

it'
s

it wasn't

a

to

or

it'
s

the

club is

I

think,

meaningless,

effect

I

that the

acceptable, with

refined and determined later,

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
Sth Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

is

But, in any event,

statement

be

fact

redundant

as
MarLago
a-

to

know.

I

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 343

1

will

2

subdivision

3

got

4

I

enable

into

won't

any

sorry that

6

possible perhaps

7

Council with

8

Is

9

come?

to

Club
MarLago
a-

know,

You

11

we're

12

On the

13

looking for,

14

complications

15

of

16

wouldn't

not

the

to

and I

of

19

Mr.

20

conditional.

21

conditional." I

22

subject

23

commitments

24

correction

25

staff

I

to

want

not

am

to

our

sense

do, you know,

talking

in terms

underline

or

I

thinking

of
the

think conditional
conditions

already made, subject

by

you're

further

you get the
I

yes.

conceptualism.

us

the various

to

if

what

avoid

to

trying

in terms of

I

MarLago
a-

really

certainly

or

Randolph spoke

the

definitely

you
not

think

MR. WEINBERG:

and

give

but we're

18

Is

of

idea whose time may have

an

hand, that's

Council,

behaving

the members

poll

it

fact of the matter is that

prepared

other

my mind and

it possible? Is

Is

question like:

a

on

I

further.

MS. WEINER:

17

I'
m

the

that, but this is what's
go

this

settle

And

litigation.

5

10

91

tomorrow to

me

staff,

said conditions

our

word,

approval

and
to

review and

attorney and their

that

are

to

be

brought

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

Suite 1515. 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 344

J

1

before the Council

2

for its

3

is

4

many of you who have

5

what

6

conditions

7
8

9

consideration at

conditional.

is

don't

I

we

mind

MS. WEINER:

11

MS. WEINER:

know

why there's

I

second the motion.

13

MR. WEINBERG:

gave forth

a

MS. SMITH:

16

MR. WEINBERG:

Why

Conditional

we

don't

like

that

a

the

made

the

it

give

say,

motion, okay.

back to you and I

The mountain

Are

You

motion?

do

labored

and

this.

We

can't

we

still having discussion?

Why,

We're

sure.

discussing

not?

MR. RANDOLPH:

You

should

really call

the second

on

the motion before you have

20

discussion

on

it.

21

MR. WEINBERG:

There

22

MR. RANDOLPH:

Okay.

23

MS. SMITH:

25

on

them?

19

24

so

with Webster

say that.

changing

mouse.

15

all day.

If

don't

We

I

12

18

time.

difficulty

Was

MR. WEINBERG:

17

that

June

say the hell with them.

MR. ILYINSKY:

sir, would you

meeting in

next

conditional here.

10

14

its

at

Mr.

was

a

second.

a

I'
m

for

sorry.

President,

we're

back to

discussion?
MR. WEINBERG:

Sure.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY, INC.
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305)5256723

International Place
100 S,E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 345

1

MS. SMITH:

entirely

we're

why

sure

2

suddenly being pushed

3

That's

4

before the conditional motion with conditions

5

be

6

going

7

session before

8

perhaps

we

as

would

MR. WEINBERG:

13

MS. SMITH:

would

15

to

16

for

17

another couple of months

18

conditions

19

at

able to discuss

that

22

this

happy

to

than

is

again because

24

MR. CIKLIN:
a

this

Mr.

do

MS. SMITH:

it'
s

was

in

decision.

fine.

And

as

see

at

it all.

see

part of the

as

the

the

conditions

next

maybe going

discussing

meeting

on

for

the

conditionally approved

meeting.

23

25

to

have been

MR. CIRLIN:
we're

to

like,

hoping

approval rather

21

I

listed.

are

discussion,

20

meeting,

to

Yes.

We want

I

was

a

That would be

14

this

actually,

the Council meet

Yes.

12

be

Council

have reached

the conditions

I

I

the next Council meeting where

MR. WEINBERG:
soon

frame here.

right.

next

that

suggest

time

a

all

the

MS. DOUTHIT:

10
11

to

on

That's

okay.

considered at

9

l

I'
m not

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

a

of

course, what

draft rather than do

don't want to do this.
are

What

great idea

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

get

we

You

President,

we

not

asking

could do

for
I

we'd would work up

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394

Area Code (305)5256723

a

time?

think
an

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 346

1

initial draft and that's

2

Perhaps

3

in order

4

workshop meeting?

that

MS. SMITH:

6

MR. WEINBERG:-

7

MR. CIKLIN:
is

to

9

discuss

11

MS. WEINER:

whole

14

We're in at

15

that

from Phase

That's

stage.

the

sole purpose

a

good idea.

good.

don't want to go

I

and listen and go

I

and

certain

That's

16

MR. RANDOLPH:

17

MS. WEINER:

18

That's

public hearing
a

no

and refine the conditions.

MS. DOUTHIT:

13

would be

Without staff and

Understanding

10

this

workshop meeting

Regular Council meeting.

MR. RANDOLPH:

12

a

it would be.

could sit down and

we

5

8

1-1

so

of

sort

some

all

through

from Phase

start

stage.

through

We

a

I.

either get past

the whole part of the
Public

The

hearing

is

public hearing

over.

is

over.

That's done with.

19

MS. SMITH:

20

MS. DOUTHIT:

I

know that.

Leaving it you

come

back with

21

conditions,

we

have

22

discussed.

It

is

23

in final order to be approved at the June

24

meeting.

25

and

this

a

made

workshop meeting,
cleared.

it

is

The workshop meeting in the
is

between you all and

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau
Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

us

it'
s

all

then put

mean

time

and

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1

MS. WEINER:

you know how much trouble

Do

r

2

we'll have

3

think

4
5

10

be

to

water

a

date between us? I

realistic.

Give up the Public Works

meetings.
MS. DOUTHIT:

I

won't

the

to

go

hairdresser.

8

9

have

we

MS. SMITH:

6

7

getting

MS. ROYAL:
our

water

Mr.

President, could

and

meeting

that date

use

MR. WEINBERG:

12

could defer most

13

s
which it'

14

As

be

Let's

have

We

a

get this

over

with

frank about

it.

motion

now

been seconded and the discussion is

16

tone

17

motion?

18

that

it,so

what

can

happen

is

that's

changing

the

do you want to do with the

I'
d go

for it any way.

motion

a

MR. WEINBERG:

Have

to

All

defeat it.

it before

the

June

meeting.

22

MS. WEINER:

No.

You made

motion which

a

I

seconded.

24

25

of

MS. WEINER:

20

23

for this

I'
m concerned we

as

and

meetings

necessary.

MS. SMITH:

far

15

21

defer

workshop?

11

19

we

MR. WEINBERG:
next

Council

I

said to

meeting in

June

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY & CONSOR
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

bring it
and

I

to

would

REPORTING

the

suggest

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International Place
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1

that instead of

2

in June,

3

subject.

have

we

MS. WEINER:

5

MR. WEINBERG:

6

MS. SMITH:
will

8

way?

9

change

you

next

our

special meeting

a

4

7

until

waiting

On the water

on

the

Reviewing

conditions.

Give

me

a

it be

MS. ROYAL:

June

11

MS. SMITH:

Take Public Works.

12

MS. WEINER:

13

MR. DONEY:

June

16

MR. WEINER:

motion.

18

approve this based

19

been

20

further items.

Your motion

brought

a.
m.

on

Tuesday

that time.

We

can

MS. WEINER:

do

25

you know.

on

fine.

minute.

a

to

was

all

Even

turn

Do

the

items

an

subject negativism
it

down

Maybe what

maybe you

that have

opening for any

do

it

don't

I

at

1.

don't want

you

and

June

on

is make that motion you made.
But

your

conditionally

forth and with

MR. WEINBERG:

24

That's

Wait

17

23

10:
00

1.
MR. WEINBERG:

22

1.

have

15

21

that

1.

June
I

So

date.

10

14

pick.

your motion to make

MR. WEINBERG:

this

date, June 1.

any date you

On

meeting

ought

to

know,
to

go

J
MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor

Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 349

1

to

a

2

3

I

don't know.

MR. WEINBERG:

please.

4
5

vote.

I'
ve

THE

approve

6

already

CLERK:
it

Will

You

are

lost

it.

7

approval subject

8

commitments

9

and correction

I

already

made

our

or

conditions

subject

staff,

our

11

before the Council

12

consideration.

at

MR. RANDOLPH:

But

14

not

15

already

16

any conditions which

17

subsequent meeting.

brought

meeting

for it'
s

understand your motion

I

discussed,

18

MS. WEINER:

19

MS. DOUTHIT:

20

MR. WEINBERG:

21

MS. DOUTHIT:

22

MR. WEINBERG:

23

MS. WEINER:

24

Let's

25

MR. WEINBERG:

call

but

You

I

to

then able to

may discuss

we

That's

at

of

add

the

correct.

don't want
don't

feel

any workshop?

it'
s necessary.

Okay.
That's my

Well,

I

the vote.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
Area Code (407) 6594155

next

and

limited to conditions which have

been

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

it'
s

and

review

to

attorney

their staffs; said conditions to be

be

to

conditional

a

the various

to

by

said

10

to

just

was

conditionally.

MR. WEINBERG:

13

it.

you repeat the motion,

think the motion

I

running

opinion.

seconded that.
We

can

see.

My wife's going

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Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
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Area Code (305) 5256723

to

hate you.

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 350

1

Will you call the question, please.

2

THE

3

MR. WEINBERG:

4

THE

5

MS. WEINER:

6

THE

7

MS. DOUTHIT:

8

workshop

9

making

10

E

CLERK:

Mr.

CLERK:

Yes.
Mrs. Douthit.

between

12

MS. SMITH:

13

the

14

before

I

and the June

feel

we

need

a

meeting before

workshop prior

to

a

final

CLERK:

Mrs. Smith.
No.

Because

I'
d like to

see

conditions that have been discussed
today
I

15

THE

16
17

approve them.
CLERK:

Mrs.

Royal.

MS. ROYAL:

It'
s

a

MS. SMITH:

I

18

saying, but

19

could review them.

20

conditions

21

conditionally

22

conditions

25

a

Because

decision.
THE

24

No.

now

need

11

23

Yes.

Mrs. Weiner.

CLERK:

we

Weinberg.

I'
d

or

know

like to

workshop.
exactly
the

see

Before

I

what you

conditions

approve, I would

MR. WEINBERG:

is
I

so

I

approve with

conceptually approve

and that

are

or

like

to

see

the

why.
can't

get them before the

meeting?
MR. RANDOLPH:

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

We're

just calling the

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vote.

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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305)3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 351

1

THE

CLERK:

Mrs.

2

MS. ROYAL:

Yes.

3

THE

3, 2.

4

MS. WEINER:

5

our

CLERK:

June

1

I

would suggest

MR. CIKLIN:

7

MR. DONEY:

8

MR. CIKLIN:

her vote since

We'd

agree.

have June

I

agreed

11

MS. DOUTHIT:

Okay.

12

MS. WEINER:

13

intact

To

MS. SMITH:

conditions

have that June

1

1 with

everything

if

how far in advance do the

need to

When

we

going

to

see

was

going

to

include

are

the motion

it?

see

the

Whereupon, discussion unreportable.)

19

MR. WEINBERG:

20

This

21

leave you may do

meeting

is

not

What

23

MS. DOUTHIT:

reporter

were

or

you

haven't adjourned yet.

adjourned.

It wasn't

Mr.

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY

it'
s

If you wish to

not

adjourned yet.

saying, Nancy?

something

MR. MOORE:

5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

We

so, but

22

25

June

But

Mayor and Council

18

24

change

far and with
open minds.

so

MR. DONEY:

16
17

to

to

meeting.

14
15

1.

Mrs. Douthit wants

we

10

still have

we

meeting.

6

9

Royal.

me.

that wants

It

to

was

a

speak

to

me.

Ciklin, will you have the

Si CONSOR REPORTING AGENCY

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza

NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 5256723

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

INC.
Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton Florida 33431
Area Code (407)3380955

 352

1

opportunity

to

2

together

soon

3

need

staff to have

some

time to

4

order to meet this

June

1

5

them

6

review them

attorney

riii.`:

We're

atthe

deadline and then pass

That will

Yes.

11

start

12

conditions

13

Probably we'll get

14

staff

15

everyone will have reviewed it.

16
17

June

18

and

to meet

stop

about

are

the

by

say

20

MR. WEINBERG:

21

MS. WEINER:

And

22

MR. CIKLIN:

Or

24
25

day.

We

MR. DONEY:

June

1

10:
00

We

just
it

want

will

can

get your

know

you to

is, we

it.

on

say yes

understand that.
I

want

we

that understood.

can

say maybe.

go away and

back

come

understand.
So we're

changing

a.
m.,the water

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

draft

to

try

no.

MR. CIKLIN:

another

be

format and what the

time you get it

day

can

our

and

Randolph

the

6,
we

probably

Randolph

I

whatever

with

Mr.

MR. WEINBERG:'

19

23

with Mr.

and then we'll

involved and

or

can

time?

our

talk

they

so

meeting

10

to

to

look at them in

Will you be

same

MR. CIKLIN:

first

going

well.

as

MR. WEINBERG:

9

fgg;~.~

possible?

as

the Mayor and Council

to

along

7

8

as

put those draft conditions

the

meeting

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NationsBank
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Area Code (305)5256723

is

Tuesday
being

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
100 S.
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205

2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 353

1

changed

2

the consideration.

a

Special Council meeting

3

MS. SMITH:

Counsel meeting

4

MR. DONEY:

I

5

meeting.

6

Session.

had

MS. SMITH:

8

MS. WEINER:

9

other business?

Are

I

10

MR. WEINBERG:

11

MS. ROYAL:

13

make

a

Special

continue

Town Council
an

Executive

adjourned?

don't know.

Is

there any

Any other business?

Mr.

motion that

MS. WEINER:

we

to

workshop?

or

s
But, nevertheless, it'

7

12

L:.
J

to

we

President,

I

would

like to

adjourn.

Done.

14
15
16

17

18
19
20
21
22

23
24
25

MUDRICK, WITT, LEVY
5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407) 6594155

& CONSOR REPORTING

Suite 1515, 1 Financial Plaza
NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
Area Code (305) 526.6723

AGENCY, INC.

International Place
100 S.
E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955

 354

1

STATE OF FLORIDA )

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COUNTY OF PALM BEACH )

3
4

I,April Y. Sapp, Court Reporter,

5

certify

6

stenographically report

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proceedings

8

true

that

I

was

and

authorized to and did
the

that the

foregoing

transcript

is

a

record...

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10

Dated this

day

of ,

1993.

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foregoing

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5th Floor • Comeau Building
319 Clematis Street

West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
Area Code (407)6594155

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NationsBank
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33394
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International Place
100 S.E. 2nd Street • 23rd Floor
Miami, Florida 33131
Area Code (305) 3712713

Suite 205
2499 Glades Road
Boca Raton, Florida 33431
Area Code (407) 3380955