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·7· ·TIME:· · · · · · ·9:06 a.m.
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·1· ·MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE:
·2· · · · · · · ·Senator C. Bradley Hutto, Chairman
·3· · · · · · · ·Representative P. Michael Forrester
·4· · · · · · · ·Erik H. Ebersole
·5· · · · · · · ·John S. Simmons
·6· · · · · · · ·Representative David Mack (Observer)
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·8· ·COMMITTEE COUNSEL:
·9· · · · · · · ·Heather Anderson
10· · · · · · · ·Jamey Golden
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·1· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· Good
·2· ·morning, everybody.
·3· · · · · · · ·AUDIENCE:· Good morning.
·4· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· This is the public
·5· ·hearing for the screening of candidates for the
·6· ·Public Service Commission seats 1, 3, 5 and 7.
·7· ·There's nine candidates to be screened.· One of the
·8· ·duties of the Review Committee is to screen
·9· ·candidates to determine whether they meet statutory
10· ·qualifications.· First, a baccalaureate or more
11· ·advanced degree; second, a background of substantial
12· ·duration and expertise in at least one of the
13· ·following areas -- energy, telecommunications,
14· ·consumer protection and advocacy, water and
15· ·wastewater, finance, economics and statistics,
16· ·accounting, engineering or law.
17· · · · · · · ·The Review Committee is also required to
18· ·consider the ability, dedication, compassion, common
19· ·sense and integrity of the candidates, and the race
20· ·and gender of the candidates and other demo -21· ·demographic factors to assure nondiscrimination to
22· ·the greatest extent possible of all segments of the
23· ·population of the state.
24· · · · · · · ·Since we've received applications we
25· ·conducted background investigations of each
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·1· ·candidate including credit, law enforcement,
·2· ·driver's license checks.· We gave a written
·3· ·examination to discuss and determine the level of
·4· ·knowledge that each candidate has with respect to
·5· ·the substantive public utility issues, ethical
·6· ·constraints applicable to the Commission, and
·7· ·operations of the Commission.
·8· · · · · · · ·We're here today to have further
·9· ·questioning of the candidates and to give them an
10· ·opportunity to make any statement with respect to
11· ·their qualifications and their desire to serve as a
12· ·commissioner.
13· · · · · · · ·In review, committee members in
14· ·attendance will also be given the opportunity to ask
15· ·questions to the candidates.· The subcommittee will
16· ·present its report to the candidates -- to the full
17· ·committee for its review and adoption.· We
18· ·anticipate this Review Committee will issue a report
19· ·to the General Assembly in mid-May.· Candidates may
20· ·not seek pledges until 48 hours after the Review
21· ·Committee has submitted its official report.
22· ·Candidates will be notified at the time that the
23· ·report is officially issued.
24· · · · · · · ·The subcommittee requests that
25· ·substantive information during the screening be
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·1· ·shared -- to not be shared until after the final
·2· ·candidate has been screened.· The candidates are
·3· ·sequestered prior to the screening in order to
·4· ·ensure fairness during the process.· However, the
·5· ·purpose of sequestration is defeated if the
·6· ·candidates are contacted about the questions that
·7· ·are being asked or read about earlier candidates'
·8· ·screening on-line.· So that means no texting, no
·9· ·tweeting -- no any of that other stuff that I don't
10· ·even know how to do.· So there is to be no
11· ·communication out of this room from questioning of
12· ·the candidates to the candidates who are waiting to
13· ·come in.
14· · · · · · · ·And if anybody has any other opening
15· ·comments; if not, I'm going to move that the
16· ·subcommittee meet in executive session with each
17· ·candidate following the public screening to discuss
18· ·the potential employment pursuant to Section 30-4-70
19· ·or other matters of a personal nature with public
20· ·disclosure would constitute an unreasonable invasion
21· ·of privacy which are exempt from public disclosure
22· ·pursuant to the statute.
23· · · · · · · ·So we're going to -- what we're going to
24· ·do now is go into executive session before we start
25· ·the first screening.· We're going to go into
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·1· ·executive session after each candidate to take up
·2· ·any matters that might be related to their record
·3· ·that's not subject to public review.· We're going to
·4· ·try and stick to the schedule that we've got, which
·5· ·is that we're going to begin -- try to begin the
·6· ·first screening at 9:30 and then the second at ten,
·7· ·we'll take a break from 10:30 to 10:45.· We'll
·8· ·screen District 3 at 10:45, and then we'll come back
·9· ·and we'll try to do District 5 at 11:15, 11:45 and
10· ·12:15.· We'll break for lunch at 12:45 to 1:30 and
11· ·then we'll finish up with District 7 after lunch,
12· ·we'll start those screenings at 1:30 and try to
13· ·complete those by three.
14· · · · · · · ·So if nobody has any other questions
15· ·about the schedule so that we'll try to stay on
16· ·time, I am going to move to go into executive
17· ·session right now and ask that you folks in the
18· ·audience to step out in the hallway.· And this
19· ·shouldn't take long and we'll get back in and try to
20· ·start on time at 9:30.· Thank you.
21· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
22· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· You late
23· ·comers, I said no texting and no tweeting.· Did you
24· ·get that in the back row back there?· Or even
25· ·passing notes.
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·1· · · · · · · ·All right.· We're ready to begin the
·2· ·screening of Public Service Commission District 1
·3· ·and we'll start off with Commissioner John E.
·4· ·"Butch" Howard.· Turn it over to the staff.
·5· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Do you want to swear him
·6· ·in, have the court reporter do it?
·7· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Court reporter, will you
·8· ·swear him in, please?
·9· · · · · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Yes, sir.
10· · · · · · · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD
11· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
12· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Good morning, Commissioner.
13· ·First I'd like to take the opportunity to summarize
14· ·kind of your background.
15· · · · · · · ·Commissioner Howard was initially
16· ·elected to the Public Service Commission in 2004.
17· ·Before serving on the Commission Mr. Howard worked
18· ·in a number of different capacities.· Prior to
19· ·this -- his service on the Commission he was
20· ·printing division manager at RL Bryan Company.
21· ·President of sales and part owner of Williams Howard
22· ·and he also worked in the trucking industry.
23· · · · · · · ·Commissioner Howard has been a member of
24· ·NARUC since 2004 and serves on its board of
25· ·directors as chairman of the subcommittee on
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·1· ·education and research.· You have -- you have here
·2· ·in your packet and your binder Commissioner Howard's
·3· ·Personal Data Questionnaire, and I would like for it
·4· ·to be entered into the record with any amendments if
·5· ·you have any today, Commissioner?
·6· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HOWARD:· No.
·7· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 1, Personal Data Questionnaire for
·8· · · · · · · ·John E. Howard, was marked for
·9· · · · · · · ·identification.)
10· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 2, Performance Evaluation for John
11· · · · · · · ·E. "Butch" Howard, was marked for
12· · · · · · · ·identification.)
13· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· As part of our background
14· ·investigation of the candidate, we obtained a credit
15· ·check, driver's license and SLED check.· For the
16· ·record, I would like to state that the credit check,
17· ·driver's license and SLED check revealed no negative
18· ·end results brought for Commissioner Howard that
19· ·should be brought to the attention of this
20· ·committee.
21· · · · · · · ·Before we begin your questioning, do you
22· ·have a brief statement you would like to make to the
23· ·committee?
24· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HOWARD:· No.· I am looking
25· ·forward to your questions and I hope I answer them
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·and keep your confidence.
·2· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.
·3· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·4· ·BY MR. GOLDEN:
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Will you please state your name and home
·6· ·address for the record?
·7· · · · · A.· ·My name is John E. Howard.· Home address
·8· ·is 108 Waterfront Drive, Moncks Corner 29461.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?
10· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Which Congressional District are you
12· ·registered to vote?
13· · · · · A.· ·First Congressional District.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Can you describe an ordinary workday at
15· ·the Commission?
16· · · · · A.· ·Workday at the Commission?· It varies -17· ·it varies on what we do.· If we have a hearing -18· ·and the hearings usually start around 10:30.· So we
19· ·get there, you know, whenever -- you know, get there
20· ·and you do the preparation work and then you go into
21· ·the hearing and you question.· And then that's
22· ·basically -- then you'll have another meeting in the
23· ·afternoon.
24· · · · · · · ·Wednesday, virtually always business
25· ·meetings in the afternoon.· So that's where we'll
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·take up and vote on issues to be -- we have heard
·2· ·and other issues might come forward to the
·3· ·Commission, do that on Wednesday afternoon.
·4· ·Thursday, we'll also have hearings.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·How do you prepare for a hearing?
·6· · · · · A.· ·Good question.· Depends on what it is.
·7· ·Most of the time -- most of the time you read the
·8· ·testimony.· You read testimony and any laws that may
·9· ·be particular to the situation and all the
10· ·testimony, just read the testimony along with -11· ·that way you think of questions you might have or
12· ·any information you might need to make a decision.
13· · · · · Q.· ·What type of contact do you have with
14· ·Commission staff?
15· · · · · A.· ·Commission staff?· I have a fairly -- I
16· ·have a fairly -- fairly -- I'm laughing because the
17· ·Electricians Commission, the staff person resigned.
18· ·He said I was his best customer -- not resigned, he
19· ·retired.· But, yeah, I have a -- I depend on the
20· ·staff a good bit.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Your annual review reports
22· ·by PURC have been entered into the record.· Would
23· ·you like to provide any additional description
24· ·concerning your experience or expertise that is not
25· ·covered in your Personal Data Questionnaire or in
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·your annual reviews in the areas where you'd like to
·2· ·discuss your expertise?
·3· · · · · A.· ·No, not really.· I think -- I think the
·4· ·personal data information sheet was pretty well all
·5· ·encompassing.· I mean, yeah, I went on my -- all my
·6· ·responsibilities at NARUC and -- and the Commission,
·7· ·you know.· Former vice chair, former chairman of the
·8· ·Commission, been on the Commission for 12 years.
·9· ·NARUC, former vice chair of the Water Committee,
10· ·chair of the Water Committee.· Now vice chair of the
11· ·Subcommittee on Education and Research and now I'm
12· ·chair of the Subcommittee on Education and Research.
13· · · · · Q.· ·If you were approached by someone
14· ·wanting to discuss a matter that is or may likely
15· ·become an issue before the Public Service
16· ·Commission, how would you go about that?
17· · · · · A.· ·I would first tell them I couldn't
18· ·discuss it because of ex parte regulations.· And
19· ·then it depends on what our conversation was.· If
20· ·you said something, you know, just leads me to -21· ·that I was uncomfortable with and I thought might be
22· ·ex parte, I would report it.· I would turn it in to
23· ·our chief legal counsel and let him handle it.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with two advisory
25· ·opinions issued by the Review Committee dealing with
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·attendance at legislative receptions as well as
·2· ·legislative caucus meetings?
·3· · · · · A.· ·Yes, sir.· I promise you I'm familiar
·4· ·with those.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Do you -- have you -- as a follow-up
·6· ·have you attended any legislative receptions or
·7· ·caucus meetings?
·8· · · · · A.· ·No.· The question has come up and I
·9· ·might ask you -- and I think there's different
10· ·opinions of it.· Are we allowed to go to the General
11· ·Assembly, the county meetings -- you know, the
12· ·delegation meetings in counties and stuff like that?
13· ·Berkeley County might have a delegation meeting -14· ·I'm not laughing over that or what -- I mean, I
15· ·think I've heard two rulings on it, that's why I
16· ·asked the question.· Do you understand?
17· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Do you want to answer that?
18· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· There is no
19· ·prohibition -20· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HOWARD:· Pardon?
21· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· There's no prohibition
22· ·to attending a county delegation meeting.
23· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HOWARD:· Thank you.
24· ·BY MR. GOLDEN:
25· · · · · Q.· ·What is the appropriate demeanor for a
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·commissioner?
·2· · · · · A.· ·If it wasn't for Representative Parr
·3· ·(unintelligible), I think there'd be -- no.· It -·4· ·it's carrying yourself professional.· Knowing -·5· ·knowing yourself and abide by the Code of Ethics and
·6· ·standards of the Commission.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
·8· ·anger with commissioners?
·9· · · · · A.· ·No.· I mean, there's no reason for it.
10· ·I mean, you're a commissioner; but, you know,
11· ·basically you just have to control the situation.
12· ·No reason for you to get angry.· People might get
13· ·angry at you, but no reason for you to get angry.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Will you briefly describe three issues
15· ·either pending before the Commission or that have
16· ·come before the Commission during your time as a
17· ·commissioner?
18· · · · · A.· ·I'm looking at the clock because the
19· ·first one I'm going to say is Base Load Review Act.
20· ·I think -- in fact, that's a controversial issue.
21· ·That's the issue that, as a result, could have
22· ·national implications.· The Base Load Review Act was
23· ·an act passed by the General Assembly to allow
24· ·upfront recovery of cost of building base load
25· ·generations to be performed.· But then a question
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·that I asked myself, based on generation, basically
·2· ·is -- right now is coal, gas and nuclear.
·3· · · · · · · ·Then I say, what do we need to do?
·4· ·First thing is look at your growth.· I don't think
·5· ·anybody driving in traffic would deny we've got
·6· ·tremendous growth.· How in the future do we handle
·7· ·the growth that's growing in the face of a
·8· ·generation?· And I challenge anyone to give me
·9· ·another answer to that question.
10· · · · · · · ·Coal, I think we all are left hanging
11· ·because I don't think coal -- I don't think you can
12· ·get a coal plant permit any time soon anyway.
13· ·Natural gas is the golden child right now, everyone
14· ·wants natural gas.· Natural gas is still an
15· ·emissions -- still emits greenhouse gases, not to
16· ·the extent of coal; but it's still -- it's still in
17· ·the middle.· Natural gas prices still fluctuate.
18· ·Natural gas prices are low because of fracking.
19· · · · · · · ·Fracking is one EPA regulation away from
20· ·having, you know, cost implications, how to -- how
21· ·to get around EPA regulations and different
22· ·conditions, coal, whatever you have.· I thought it
23· ·was interesting -- I was talking to commissioners
24· ·from Oklahoma and the numbers are fairly accurate,
25· ·they might not be exact; but they told me, like,
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·three years ago they had 60 earthquakes.· Last year
·2· ·they had 600.· And every earthquake would track -·3· ·would track to fracking.· And he said, you know -·4· ·and Oklahoma is a big state for fracking.· They've
·5· ·got a lot of income, a lot of money, a lot of
·6· ·fracking wells.· You know, they're probably a pro -·7· ·well, they are a pro fracking state.· But then he's
·8· ·saying, you know, people can do this and do that;
·9· ·but then their house starts moving, you know, they
10· ·get different opinions.
11· · · · · · · ·Now -- now, the process that caused the
12· ·earthquakes is not necessarily the fracking itself.
13· ·Each fracking well, which is another problem, takes
14· ·four to five million gallons of fresh water.· Tens
15· ·of thousands of fracking wells.· Think about a state
16· ·with drought conditions -- Texas, for example, with
17· ·fracking wells.· It would be a situation where
18· ·people got to choose between water to drink and
19· ·water for them fracking wells.
20· · · · · · · ·So that -- that's a big issue.· But when
21· ·they -- they track this water and it's got a
22· ·chemical in it.· And the chemicals, by and large,
23· ·have been treated with some contested information -24· ·but you really just don't know what's in it.· Most
25· ·people know it's a big -- a big part of it is diesel
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·fuel.· But then when water comes back up, no
·2· ·wastewater plant will take it.· What do you do with
·3· ·it?
·4· · · · · · · ·What they have been doing is they inject
·5· ·it in them used wells and this is what's basically
·6· ·caused the earthquake, when they inject the water
·7· ·down there.· So as chairman of the Water Commission,
·8· ·I was pretty concerned about it because that is
·9· ·water that will never go back in the hydrological
10· ·cycle.· So what do we do with it?· I mean, you know,
11· ·so -- and there's been all kinds of studies of doing
12· ·fracking without water.· Now I'm -- not impractical
13· ·right now, I'm sure some day they will be.
14· · · · · · · ·So that's why I -- I'm reluctant to put
15· ·all my eggs in the natural gas basket.· I mean,
16· ·anything can happen with natural gas.· They close
17· ·down fracking, you're back on the Gulf Coast water,
18· ·hurricane comes in, you're back with 14 different
19· ·kinds of gases.· So, you know, as far as Base Load
20· ·goes, they can all be nuclear as far as I'm
21· ·concerned.
22· · · · · · · ·Now, I think -- I think once these
23· ·plants are built -- I know it's a long time frame.
24· ·It's expensive.· People ask me all the time, why are
25· ·SCE&G -- why are they so expensive, more than even
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·Duke?· Duke has -- Duke Progress has four nuclear
·2· ·plants.· Duke Energy has seven nuclear plants.
·3· ·Nuclear is, by far, the cheapest in the generation.
·4· ·I think fuel cost is something like four cents
·5· ·versus 10 or 11 of other -- other fuel costs of the
·6· ·generation.· So by SCE&G only having one fuel
·7· ·plant -- only one nuclear plant, they are
·8· ·disproportionate as far as, you know, the cost
·9· ·savings they would get as far as nuclear, that Duke
10· ·and other companies have.· I'm looking at the clock
11· ·and I have two more to go.
12· · · · · · · ·And then -- and then the thing about
13· ·nuclear, too, you know, that a lot of people don't
14· ·know, it emits no greenhouse gas.· Nuclear is clean.
15· ·So the disadvantage of nuclear obviously is the cost
16· ·of construction and perception and -- we're finally
17· ·here today because I just saw an article in USA
18· ·Today, this month is the 30-year anniversary of
19· ·Chernobyl.· Everybody be talking about nuclear
20· ·brings up Chernobyl.· Chernobyl was an accident
21· ·waiting to happen.· There was no regulation, there
22· ·was no containment field, nothing.· It was just -23· ·it was just a bad situation.· Then they bring up
24· ·Three Mile Island.· Nobody was hurt, nobody was
25· ·killed at Three Mile Island.· What they did, it's
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·made regulations a lot stricter.
·2· · · · · · · ·And then, you know, we're in the process
·3· ·of building that nuclear plant and you had a tsunami
·4· ·in Japan wipe out a nuclear plant.· Well, most of
·5· ·the damage was caused by the tsunami, not the
·6· ·earthquake itself.· If a tsunami hits Jenkinsville,
·7· ·we've got a lot more problems than the nuclear
·8· ·plant.· That's, like, 400 people.· So that's
·9· ·basically -- that's basically probably the biggest
10· ·issue as commissioner that I found that I have.
11· · · · · · · ·I mean, I'm looking -- we won't talk
12· ·about -- I won't go there.· Let me see what else.
13· ·Well, the Distribution Generation Act passed by the
14· ·General Assembly and that -- that gives us inroads
15· ·to nuclear energy.· That gives us legislation and
16· ·some guidelines to promote and work with nuclear
17· ·energy -- particularly so.· Particularly so.· And so
18· ·that handled -- that particular act handled
19· ·distribution generation, gas meters and also third
20· ·parties, so -- so other leading companies.
21· · · · · · · ·The third one -- we can always go back.
22· ·We came in on Act 175.· That is the act we were
23· ·raised -- you know, the Commissioners that were on
24· ·before Act 175 had a different mind-set.· We came in
25· ·all new with Act 175 and it wasn't that -- wasn't
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·that difficult.
·2· · · · · · · ·Telecom issues sort of take the
·3· ·background, but when they get on the front they get
·4· ·on the front.· I mean, the last issue we had was
·5· ·deciding if there were complications.· And it was a
·6· ·big issue as far as general service funds going to
·7· ·wireless service and I don't have to tell y'all the
·8· ·complications, but there's no way of denying that
·9· ·there's not competition in the telecom industry.

I

10· ·mean, I -- landlines are going down, people are
11· ·losing landlines every day.· I've got several
12· ·friends that don't have landlines now, the only
13· ·thing they have is their cell phones.· And in
14· ·particular young kids, I mean, young America.
15· · · · · · · ·So I would think those would be my
16· ·personal three issues based on the Review Act and
17· ·based on the Review Act -- the implication is based
18· ·on the Review Act allows a company to -- to get paid
19· ·up front.· And now once they have an annual
20· ·review -- in the annual review if the extensions
21· ·they paid, we got it proven, then they can put those
22· ·extensions to be paid.· All right.· It is
23· ·scrutinized severely -- I mean, very critical,
24· ·that's the way the law is.· The law has to go
25· ·through the receipt for every expenditure and then
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·we come back -- we get it, we go through all the
·2· ·testimony, our staff -- you know, all expenses,
·3· ·additional revenue requirements, and that's it.
·4· · · · · · · ·But if you ask me what would be one
·5· ·thing as a commissioner that I didn't realize the
·6· ·importance of until I got on, it would be -- it
·7· ·would have to be the influence Wall Street has on
·8· ·our utility.· Wall Street looks at us, they look at
·9· ·everything because their investment -- they want to
10· ·be sure that they get cost recovery on what they
11· ·invest and the Base Load Review Act gives them the
12· ·assurance that they will get their money back.· You
13· ·know, that's their investment.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Let me ask you.· Let's -- let's touch on
15· ·the Base Load Review Act because, as you said, it
16· ·has been scrutinized a lot and there's been a lot of
17· ·public comments on it.· Let me ask you this.· Is
18· ·there a way that the public's voice can be heard
19· ·under proceedings under the Base Load Review Act?
20· · · · · A.· ·Oh, yeah, and they are heard.· I mean, I
21· ·think we've got one coming up -- I'm not sure.

I

22· ·think we have -- you know, the public does
23· ·participate in any Base Load Review hearing.· And -24· ·and I will say this, it's an important
25· ·consideration.· It's important to hear them.· So the
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·public is there, you know, to stress their viewpoint
·2· ·and their opinion.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Do you feel you have an obligation in
·4· ·weighing the public's interest versus that of an
·5· ·IOU, an investor-owned utility?
·6· · · · · A.· ·Yeah.· Key word is weigh the public
·7· ·interest.· Yes, sir.· We do.· That is one of the
·8· ·missions of ORS.· They represent the public
·9· ·industry -- they represent the public interest in
10· ·all our hearings.· They are a part of our hearings
11· ·and one of the challenges they represent is public
12· ·interest.
13· · · · · · · ·And I'll be honest.· When I set a rate
14· ·change, there's a sequence I use in my mind.· And
15· ·our mission is to furnish reliable utility
16· ·service -- be it electricity, be it gas, be it
17· ·water, what have you, at a reasonable rate, and then
18· ·the third part is economic development.· That is the
19· ·order that I think about, and the first thing we
20· ·have is reliability.· You can give away electricity,
21· ·but if it's not reliable and people are on oxygen
22· ·tanks and -- say what you want to, but electricity
23· ·is a part of our world and it's going to stay there.
24· ·I guess after water it's probably the most critical
25· ·commodity we regulate.· But -- but you've got to
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· · · · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·have it.· And then after you get reliability -- you
·2· ·pass on your reliability factor, then the cost
·3· ·factor comes in.· It's important.· And, you know, we
·4· ·are a poor state.· You know, the average income is
·5· ·not that great.· I was talking to a Commissioner,
·6· ·arguing one time, and they say our people do not
·7· ·care what they pay as long as it is environmentally
·8· ·friendly.· We don't have that type of flexibility.
·9· ·A lot of our people do care, you know, what it
10· ·costs.· Everybody is worried about what the price
11· ·is, so that's just the way that I look at it.

I

12· ·think reliability is very important.· You've got to
13· ·have it and you've got to have a reasonable cost.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Just a few general
15· ·questions.· Have you sought or received a pledge of
16· ·any legislator prior to this date?
17· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
18· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered a
19· ·conditional pledge of support by any legislator
20· ·pending the outcome of this screening?
21· · · · · A.· ·No, I haven't.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
23· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
24· ·behalf before the formal report is issued?
25· · · · · A.· ·No, I haven't.
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· · · ·JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware of any friends or
·2· ·colleagues attempting to contact any members of the
·3· ·General Assembly on your behalf?
·4· · · · · A.· ·If they have, I'm not aware.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 48-hour rule
·6· ·which prohibits candidates from seeking pledges
·7· ·until 48 hours after the report is finalized?
·8· · · · · A.· ·Right.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Do you plan to serve your full term if
10· ·reelected?
11· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I do.
12· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.· Mr. Chair, I
13· ·have no other questions.
14· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
15· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
16· · · · · Q.· ·You made the comment that in connection
17· ·to fracking that that water will never go back into
18· ·the hydrological cycle.· You said it never can be
19· ·cleaned up?
20· · · · · A.· ·No.· Matter of fact, one of the problems
21· ·is no wastewater treatment plant will accept it.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Right.· But even through nature, through
23· ·seeping through whatever rocks or whatever else that
24· ·might cleanse it, it just won't?
25· · · · · A.· ·That would be a good question.· The
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· JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·answer to that question I don't know.· I would think

·2· ·that -- I would think if that could happen there
·3· ·would be some technological way now that they can
·4· ·extract the impurities out of the water.· But that's
·5· ·just a guess on my part.
·6· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· Any members of
·7· ·the Committee have any questions that they'd like to
·8· ·ask Commissioner Howard?
·9· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you,
10· ·Mr. Chair.
11· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
12· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
13· · · · · Q.· ·Mr. Howard, just two questions.· What
14· ·would you say has been your highest accomplishment
15· ·during your ten years as commissioner?
16· · · · · A.· ·Personally or as commissioner?
17· · · · · Q.· ·Either way.
18· · · · · A.· ·Well, personally it would have to be
19· ·chairman of the Water Committee.· I mean, that was
20· ·just a vote of confidence among my commissioner
21· ·peers and that was more than I expected.· And I'd
22· ·have to go back to the Base Load Review Act because
23· ·that allows us the opportunity to have treatment
24· ·generation.
25· · · · · · · ·Right now I know of two states that are
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· JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·watching us very closely to see how the plants --

·2· ·how they fare -- how they fare budget wise, how they
·3· ·fare schedule wise, and -- because of the reasons I
·4· ·mentioned.· I know it's controversial, and I know
·5· ·I'll probably get some heat, but that's exactly
·6· ·where I stand.· I don't see how we can have base
·7· ·load generating with the growth we're experiencing
·8· ·in South Carolina without nuclear.· There is plenty
·9· ·of reasons for gas, coal, little bit -- but
10· ·basically and hopefully -- hopefully in 20 years, 25
11· ·years renewable gas will be such.
12· · · · · · · ·I mean, I talked to someone the other
13· ·day -- I don't know what's going on with nuclear -14· ·I mean, solar research, but he would tell me he read
15· ·an article about house painting.· How painting your
16· ·house with a different color paint, different kind
17· ·of paint would give your whole house -- envelop your
18· ·house in solar panels by using this paint.· That
19· ·might or might not be a factor, but we've got to
20· ·give -- we've got to give that technologically
21· ·some -- technology some time to mature, and what we
22· ·do while it's maturing I can't tell you.
23· · · · · Q.· ·My last question is tell me why you feel
24· ·you are the most qualified for this position.
25· · · · · A.· ·I have a load of experience.· I mean,
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· JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·there's so many issues right now on the table and I

·2· ·think it's preemptive.· I mentioned also, you know,
·3· ·we've got to deal with nuclear generation, we've got
·4· ·to deal, you know, with the coal industry and other
·5· ·renewable factors.· And they are coming -- I see -·6· ·I see renewable being an important part of our
·7· ·generation in years to come when that technology
·8· ·matures.
·9· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Any other questions?
10· · · · · · · ·(No response.)
11· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· So as we
12· ·discussed before, we'll go into executive session
13· ·after each candidate.· We'll do that now.· Of
14· ·course, if you don't know, when we go into executive
15· ·session we take no action.· We just hear matters
16· ·that might not be able to be heard in open session,
17· ·but we take no action in executive session.· So
18· ·we'll go into executive session.· I imagine it will
19· ·be very brief, as it will for most of our
20· ·candidates, and be right back into public session
21· ·with our next candidate right after this.· So if the
22· ·public would step out in the hall for a second.
23· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HOWARD:· Thank you very
24· ·much.
25· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Thank you.· You stay.
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·1· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
·2· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Thank you.· You stay.
·3· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
·4· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· No action has been taken
·5· ·and we are waiting on our next candidate from
·6· ·District 1 to be screened.· We will continue with
·7· ·the screening of applicants for the Public Service
·8· ·Commission District 1 with Carolyn L. -- Carolee
·9· ·Williams.· And I will remind the audience again
10· ·during her testimony, because other candidates are
11· ·sequestered, there be no attempts to communicate or
12· ·communication with candidates who are sequestered
13· ·and that includes by texting, tweeting or other
14· ·means of electronic communication.
15· · · · · · · ·Good morning.
16· · · · · · · ·MS. WILLIAMS:· Good morning.
17· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We will ask
18· ·the court reporter to put you under oath.
19· · · · · · ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS
20· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
21· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We'll turn
22· ·it over to the staff.
23· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Good morning,
24· ·Ms. Williams.
25· · · · · · · ·MS. WILLIAMS:· Good morning.
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·1· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· First of all, I'm going
·2· ·to give a brief summary of Ms. Williams' educational
·3· ·background and her experience.
·4· · · · · · · ·She is a graduate of Wake Forest
·5· ·University where she received a bachelor of arts
·6· ·degree.· She also received her master's in urban and
·7· ·environmental planning from Virginia.· She began her
·8· ·career as planner for the Department of Planning and
·9· ·Urban Development in Charleston, South Carolina.
10· ·And since 1992 she became the project manager for
11· ·the Department of Planning, Preservation and
12· ·Sustainability for the City of Charleston, South
13· ·Carolina where she currently works.· She is also a
14· ·member of the American Planning Association, the
15· ·American Institute of Certified Planners, and the
16· ·Southeast Sustainability Directors Network.· And
17· ·she's also involved in a number of community
18· ·organizations.
19· · · · · · · ·Ms. Williams, do you have any changes
20· ·that you would like to make to the Personal Data
21· ·Questionnaire you submitted with your application?
22· · · · · · · ·MS. WILLIAMS:· No, I do not.
23· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· I would request that
24· ·Ms. Williams' Personal Da -- Personal Data
25· ·Questionnaire be entered into the record with any
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·1· ·confidential information being redacted.
·2· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 3, Personal Data Questionnaire for
·3· · · · · · · ·Carolyn Leone (Carolee) Williams, was
·4· · · · · · · ·marked for identification.)
·5· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· As part of our background
·6· ·investigation of Ms. Williams we obtained a credit
·7· ·check, driver's license and SLED check.· For the
·8· ·record, I would like to state that a credit check,
·9· ·driver's license and SLED check revealed no
10· ·information for Ms. Williams that should be brought
11· ·to the attention of the subcommittee.
12· · · · · · · ·Before beginning questioning do you have
13· ·a brief statement that you would like to make?
14· · · · · · · ·MS. WILLIAMS:· I do.· Thank you for this
15· ·opportunity to meet with your subcommittee.· As you
16· ·may remember -- is the sound appropriate?
17· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We're okay.
18· · · · · · · ·MS. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· As you may
19· ·remember, this is the second time that I've met with
20· ·you.· The first time I was impressed with the
21· ·thoroughness of your process; however, at that point
22· ·I had no understanding of the political realm in
23· ·which this process would take candidates.
24· · · · · · · ·For me, I'm applying for a professional
25· ·role which I understand lies within your political
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·1· ·realm.· In that spirit, I want you to know how much
·2· ·I respect the role that you and your peers play in
·3· ·this decision-making.· You alone have dedicated the
·4· ·time to listen to us, to review our backgrounds, our
·5· ·strengths, our test scores and evaluate our
·6· ·temperament, and for that I'm very appreciative and
·7· ·respectful.
·8· · · · · · · ·Over the past three years, since going
·9· ·through this process before, I thoroughly debated
10· ·and questioned my interest in serving on the Public
11· ·Service Commission.· Clearly I decided that I was
12· ·intensely motivated by the work of the Commission
13· ·and I want you to hear why.
14· · · · · · · ·First, you on the legislature have set
15· ·South Carolina on a successful path with both the
16· ·Transportation Network Company Act and the
17· ·Distributed Energy Resource Act in recent years.
18· ·You're currently dealing with legislation regarding
19· ·other ways to continue to fund and serve telephone
20· ·access in our most rural and most expensive parts of
21· ·the State.· It's exciting to think of the role that
22· ·the Public Service Commission plays in those
23· ·judicial decisions and that help to support your
24· ·successes in the legislature while also ensuring
25· ·that South Carolina has met its basic utility needs
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·1· ·in a fair and open and efficient process.
·2· · · · · · · ·Second, the work of my profession,
·3· ·conference of planning, provides I think both the
·4· ·experience and the mindset to make a contribution to
·5· ·the Public Service Commission.· As a planner for
·6· ·local governments I'm always looking at projections
·7· ·for growth, change in needs and the vision for a
·8· ·community for both residents and for businesses.
·9· ·From my early days in working with energy and water
10· ·utilities on the expansion of their services and
11· ·consideration of the needs within the City of
12· ·Charleston and as Charleston grew in geographic size
13· ·and population, those were very interrelated
14· ·decision-making processes.· The same was true for
15· ·transportation planning with recognition and
16· ·services to both those with and without vehicles.
17· · · · · · · ·To more recently the focus on resilience
18· ·and the resilience of a community and working with
19· ·emergency managers with energy and water utility
20· ·managers on ensuring that whether it's a hurricane
21· ·or an earthquake or any other disaster that we have
22· ·the redundancy and the ability to respond to that.
23· ·And also to my work representing our mayors on the
24· ·U.S. Bureau of OSHA Energy Management Renewal Energy
25· ·Task Force and looking at long-term capabilities of
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·offshore wind with federal waters.

·2· · · · · · · ·Finally, and in the more general sense,
·3· ·I think that the work of the commissioner plays
·4· ·really well into a skill of mine.· I relish the
·5· ·challenge of learning new information, evaluating
·6· ·its impact on all of the community, asking tough
·7· ·questions and making the best decisions at the time.
·8· · · · · · · ·Over these three years I've had time to
·9· ·review daily dockets, skimming them, attending some
10· ·Commission hearings and reviewing some of the web
11· ·recordings that are now available on the
12· ·proceedings.· I am more and more intrigued with the
13· ·service on the Commission, but I have to also tell
14· ·you I am also much more aware of what I don't know
15· ·but similarly equally motivated to learn what it
16· ·will need to be to be a good commissioner.· Thank
17· ·you.
18· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
19· ·BY MS. ANDERSON:
20· · · · · Q.· ·Will you please state your name and home
21· ·address for the record?
22· · · · · A.· ·Carolyn Leone Williams, 7 Beverly Road,
23· ·Charleston, South Carolina 29407.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?
25· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · Q.· ·In which Congressional District are you

·2· ·registered to vote?
·3· · · · · A.· ·Congressional District 1.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·And I think you covered this already but
·5· ·in case there's anything you left out, why are you
·6· ·interested in serving on the Public Service
·7· ·Commission?
·8· · · · · A.· ·I think I have covered it already.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any hearings at the
10· ·Commission?
11· · · · · A.· ·I have.· I went to a public hearing
12· ·years ago on a rate increase in Charleston.· I've
13· ·been to a hearing that got into the details related
14· ·to solar and insurance that I found fascinating and
15· ·then was able to follow up and read that directive
16· ·so -- as well as a few other hearings.
17· · · · · Q.· ·Have you read any of the Commission's
18· ·decisions?
19· · · · · A.· ·I have.
20· · · · · Q.· ·How would you expect to get up to speed
21· ·on issues confronting the Commission?
22· · · · · A.· ·It's my understanding that it will
23· ·involve a lot of reading, I'm sure a lot of talking
24· ·with other commissioners to gain an understanding,
25· ·and it's also my understanding that the National
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners has

·2· ·an intensive class that would be a big part of
·3· ·what -- where I would gain that knowledge.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Please describe your experience or
·5· ·expertise in any of the following areas and include
·6· ·the time that you spent in each -- energy issues,
·7· ·telecommunications, consumer protection and
·8· ·advocacy, water and wastewater, finance, economics
·9· ·and statistics, accounting, engineering or law.
10· · · · · A.· ·The three that I am going to speak to
11· ·are consumer protection and advocacy, energy and
12· ·water and sewer.
13· · · · · · · ·The consumer protection and advocacy -14· ·that role, to me, is very aligned with the work of a
15· ·comprehensive planner because our job is to look at
16· ·those who are both at the hearings and those who
17· ·cannot be at the hearings.· Our job is to look
18· ·long-term, our -- our job really is to put our minds
19· ·into the businesses and the residents' minds that
20· ·can participate and not participate in the process.
21· ·And so that's really my whole career.
22· · · · · · · ·Energy kind of has spanned the entire
23· ·career with the early section relating to growth in
24· ·cities and extension of services and service areas
25· ·and then more recently in working with SCE&G and
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·Berkeley Electric Cooperative on both informational

·2· ·knowledge that they are sharing in trying to get it
·3· ·to both our business and our residential communities
·4· ·and also with a challenge program that the City runs
·5· ·that is more businesses where we try to connect some
·6· ·of the great information that's now available from
·7· ·the electric companies on energy and efficiency and
·8· ·on incentives that are now available.
·9· · · · · · · ·Finally, and I mentioned that the Bureau
10· ·of OSHA and Energy Management and the Renewable Task
11· ·Force representing both of our mayors in recent
12· ·years, just in working to understand what the impact
13· ·of offshore wind would be on Charleston, looking at
14· ·particular areas, understanding the process that
15· ·that task force went through and determining the
16· ·areas that would be available and put out for bid
17· ·and now to a potential lead source has indicated
18· ·interest.
19· · · · · · · ·Water and sewer.· Water and sewer
20· ·similar to the early days with energy and that has
21· ·to do with extension of services and, in particular,
22· ·the reason that the City of Charleston annexed some
23· ·of -- many of some of the early annexations had to
24· ·do with sewage treatment plants that are owned by
25· ·private companies that were failing.· So working
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·then with the Charleston water system on bringing

·2· ·those on-line and evaluating whether we could indeed
·3· ·do that for communities that wish to be annexed.
·4· ·And then more recently with resilience, working with
·5· ·Charleston water system and understanding what they
·6· ·and the electric companies are doing to ensure
·7· ·redundancy, to assure ability to withstand certain
·8· ·kinds of weather-related impacts.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the two advisory
10· ·opinions issued by the Review Committee dealing with
11· ·attendance at legislative receptions and legislative
12· ·caucus meetings?
13· · · · · A.· ·I am.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any legislative
15· ·receptions or any legislative caucus meetings since
16· ·receiving the advisory opinion?
17· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
18· · · · · Q.· ·Assume that you are serving on the
19· ·Commission, and you are approached by someone
20· ·wanting to discussion a matter that is or may become
21· ·an issue in a proceeding.· How would you handle the
22· ·situation?
23· · · · · A.· ·I would immediately tell them that they
24· ·need to be talking to someone else, probably the
25· ·Office of Regulatory Services, and that we can't
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·have this conversation because of the concern that I

·2· ·might learn something that needs to be shared in an
·3· ·open environment.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Can you explain the general rule about
·5· ·ex parte communication?
·6· · · · · A.· ·That's what I began to touch on, is
·7· ·what -- what I perceive is that allowed ex parte
·8· ·communication is incredibly valuable because it
·9· ·allows in a setting like this for everybody to learn
10· ·the same thing at the same time and to learn it from
11· ·experts and to learn it where you can ask questions
12· ·and delve into it deeply.· What's not allowed is
13· ·when it's one person who has that information
14· ·sharing it with the Commissioner, and that's where
15· ·you need to end the conversation immediately.
16· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that commissioners are
17· ·subject to the Judicial Code of Conduct as well as
18· ·State ethics law?
19· · · · · A.· ·I am.
20· · · · · Q.· ·Are you affiliated with any political
21· ·parties, boards or commissions that would need to be
22· ·reevaluated if you are nominated and elected?
23· · · · · A.· ·I am not.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Do you belong to any organizations that
25· ·discriminate based on race, religion or gender?
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · A.· ·I do not.

·2· · · · · Q.· ·What is the appropriate demeanor for a
·3· ·commissioner?
·4· · · · · A.· ·To listen respectively, to -- to
·5· ·dedicate yourself to understanding the issues that
·6· ·are in front of them.· To both approach the work in
·7· ·a way that is above any question, whether it is the
·8· ·work or whether it is in your -- the rest of your
·9· ·life.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Would that apply only while you are on
11· ·the bench or would that apply seven days a week/24
12· ·hours a day?
13· · · · · A.· ·Twenty-four hours a day, seven days a
14· ·week.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
16· ·anger with commissioners?
17· · · · · A.· ·Anger for sure not.· Sternness, I think
18· ·it probably depends on your definition of it, but
19· ·it's important to be clear and -- and to get
20· ·someone's attention.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Have you made any contributions to
22· ·members of the General Assembly within six months of
23· ·filing your application?
24· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
25· · · · · Q.· ·Have you made any contributions to
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·members of the General Assembly since filing your

·2· ·application?
·3· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or received a pledge
·5· ·from any legislator prior to this date?
·6· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered a
·8· ·conditional pledge of support by any legislator
·9· ·pending the outcome of your screening?
10· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
12· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
13· ·behalf before the final and formal screening report
14· ·is released?
15· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
16· · · · · Q.· ·Ms. Williams, you sent an e-mail to me
17· ·over the weekend.
18· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
19· · · · · Q.· ·And you reported that a friend of
20· ·yours -21· · · · · A.· ·Right.
22· · · · · Q.· ·-- had contacted Senator Campsen.
23· · · · · A.· ·Right.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Do you have that e-mail with you?
25· · · · · A.· ·I do.· But I did not -- the reason I
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· ·CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·answered no is that I did not request that.

·2· · · · · Q.· ·Can you please explain what happened?
·3· · · · · A.· ·Sure.· I'd be happy to.· Would you like
·4· ·for me to give you a copy of it?
·5· · · · · Q.· ·I have copies.
·6· · · · · A.· ·Okay.· Okay.· My parents were
·7· ·entertaining a friend of mine who -- and they were
·8· ·telling why I was coming to town again, and they
·9· ·just mentioned it in passing.· And what you'll see
10· ·at the top of the e-mail are relatively -- well, I
11· ·guess it's not the top of the e-mail anymore, but my
12· ·parents say we mentioned that they would -- that I
13· ·would be here Sunday night for Monday's interview
14· ·FYI the following.· Hope it does not cause a problem
15· ·but will help.
16· · · · · · · ·They clearly understood and did not ask
17· ·this person to reach out.· You'll see what follows
18· ·that a friend of our families went to school with -19· ·went to Furman with Senator Campsen and she reached
20· ·out -- she referenced some qualifications but she
21· ·also did say if you can help in any way I would
22· ·appreciate it.· I wanted to make sure that you knew
23· ·about it and knew that I was not a party to that
24· ·request.
25· · · · · Q.· ·That you did not request the e-mail or
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· CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·any type --

·2· · · · · A.· ·Absolutely not.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you.
·4· · · · · A.· ·Sure.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·A few more questions.· Are you aware
·6· ·of -- I'm sorry.· Are you aware of the 48-hour rule
·7· ·which prohibits a candidate from seeking pledges for
·8· ·48 hours after a report has been submitted to the
·9· ·General Assembly?
10· · · · · A.· ·Absolutely.
11· · · · · Q.· ·And if elected, would you plan to serve
12· ·a full term?
13· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
14· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· I have no more questions,
15· ·Mr. Chair.
16· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
17· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
18· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you for being back again because I
19· ·know sometimes when somebody runs for political
20· ·office or tries to seek a position or in this case a
21· ·seat on the Public Service Commission and they don't
22· ·get it the first time they just go away but I -- you
23· ·know, there's a certain sticktoitness that -- that
24· ·is required for some of these, so we appreciate
25· ·having you back, and we also take note that you did
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· CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·very well on your exam.

·2· · · · · · · ·So being a non-commissioner, how did you
·3· ·go about studying for something that you don't sit
·4· ·for every day?
·5· · · · · A.· ·I wish I could bring you my exhibit, but
·6· ·I -- I'm one of those folks that I read every paper
·7· ·in my hand, I process The Wall (phonetic) and read
·8· ·through it and highlighted it.· I also looked at old
·9· ·interviews and looked at questions from your
10· ·interviews that are public so that I could
11· ·understand what might be the questions being asked.
12· ·And having been through it it's a little bit easier
13· ·to anticipate, you know, what the recent successes
14· ·are that you all have had and that there might be
15· ·questions on that.· So really just dedicating the
16· ·time to focus on the issues and absorb them as much
17· ·as I could.
18· · · · · Q.· ·In the, I guess, last few years we've
19· ·had review hearings based on the Base Load Review
20· ·Act and what do you see the role of the public in
21· ·that?· Do they have a right to come and testify at a
22· ·hearing?
23· · · · · A.· ·Oh, abso -- the public always has a
24· ·right to that.· You know, I think I was thinking a
25· ·little bit more deeply that I know the public is
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CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · 1· ·very concerned about the impact to their utility

· · 2· ·bills, but I also understand there's broader goals
· · 3· ·in -- in play with the Base Load Review Act.
· · 4· · · · · Q.· ·And what are those goals?
· · 5· · · · · A.· ·Well, in general terms, I think it was
· · 6· ·that -- I'm -- I'm learning more every day about
· · 7· ·this but, in general terms, I think it was more
· · 8· ·that -- not a literal capital cost pay as you go
· · 9· ·kind of program but a way where you're paying up
· ·10· ·front.· And then when the -- when the -- in this
· ·11· ·case a nuclear power plant comes on-line that
· ·12· ·there's savings overall.· I think that was -- in the
· ·13· ·biggest picture that was the goal that the public -· ·14· ·the business and the residential public would have
· ·15· ·savings in the long term because of the way that it
· ·16· ·was going to be financed.· I can go into more
· ·17· ·detail, but...
· ·18· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· No, I can see from your
· ·19· ·exam that you probably could.· Thank you.
· ·20· · · · · · · ·Any other members of the committee have
· ·21· ·any questions?· All right.· Mr. Forrester.
· ·22· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
· ·23· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
· ·24· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
· ·25· · · · · Q.· ·Ms. Williams, what would you say has
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CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · 1· ·been your most -- I guess your most accomplishment

· · 2· ·during your planning career?· What would you say was
· · 3· ·the highlight of your career?
· · 4· · · · · A.· ·I didn't anticipate that one, but that's
· · 5· ·a great question.· You know, it's -- it's hard
· · 6· ·looking back on it to be one thing.· It -- just
· · 7· ·seeing the way that a community has changed in 30
· · 8· ·years is just a real honor to have been at the table
· · 9· ·and seen a variety of issues that our council has
· ·10· ·dealt with and our -- the community has dealt with.
· ·11· ·I'm really struggling to give you one example.
· ·12· · · · · · · ·If you make me I'll pick one but -- but,
· ·13· ·you know, when I think about the relatively small
· ·14· ·60,000 person community that Charleston was at the
· ·15· ·time that I started working and you think about the
· ·16· ·diversity of the community that we have today and to
· ·17· ·have seen the changes, to both balance the
· ·18· ·preservation of some aspects of Charleston but to -· ·19· ·to look at the economic growth that the greater
· ·20· ·Charleston area has, there I'm thinking about -- I'm
· ·21· ·thinking about Boeing but I'm also thinking about
· ·22· ·the Wind Turbine Testing Facility and the fact that
· ·23· ·there's some -- that's not my accomplishment but
· ·24· ·that is a real coup for South Carolina to have some
· ·25· ·of the investments that they have in onshore and
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CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE) WILLIAMS - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · 1· ·offshore wind testing.· I have to say it's really

· · 2· ·just having a seat at that table and nudging little
· · 3· ·parts of it along.· Do you want to make me say
· · 4· ·something?
· · 5· · · · · Q.· ·No, that's all right.
· · 6· · · · · A.· ·Okay.· Thank you.
· · 7· · · · · Q.· ·My last question, tell me why you're the
· · 8· ·most qualified for this position.
· · 9· · · · · A.· ·Wow.· That -- that is a hard one.· Here,
· ·10· ·as of last night, my -- my thought about the work
· ·11· ·that the Public Service Commission does and what I
· ·12· ·understand about it is that three years ago I
· ·13· ·understood perhaps the circumference of the issues
· ·14· ·if you think physically about something like an
· ·15· ·iceberg.· Now I have an understanding of the depth
· ·16· ·as I've learned more.
· ·17· · · · · · · ·The reason I'm the most qualified is
· ·18· ·because I'm not the most qualified, but I have a
· ·19· ·drive to learn about the interior of that iceberg.
· ·20· ·That's really my -- my answer.
· ·21· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
· ·22· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· What we'll do is
· ·23· ·ask you to stay, ask everybody else to leave for a
· ·24· ·minute and we'll go into executive session and we'll
· ·25· ·be here briefly and then we'll move ahead.
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·1· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
·2· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· It's 10:45.
·3· ·We will call this screening back to order and we'll
·4· ·move now from District 1 to District 3 for the
·5· ·screening of Comer H. "Randy" Randall, III.
·6· · · · · · · ·Commissioner, good morning.
·7· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER RANDALL:· Good morning.
·8· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· First we'll ask you to
·9· ·be sworn in.
10· · · · · · · COMER H. "RANDY" RANDALL, III
11· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
12· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· And we'll turn this over
13· ·to staff for some questions and then the committee
14· ·will follow up with some questions and give you an
15· ·opportunity to speak throughout this process as
16· ·well.
17· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Mr. Chair, I'd like to take
18· ·this opportunity to summarize Commissioner Randall's
19· ·background and experience.· Commissioner Randall is
20· ·a graduate of Presbyterian College where he received
21· ·his bachelor of science in 1975.· In 1979
22· ·Mr. Randall received his master's in education from
23· ·the University of Georgia.· Mr. Randall has served
24· ·on the PSC since 2013.
25· · · · · · · ·Before serving on the Commission
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·1· ·Commissioner Randall worked in a number of different
·2· ·capacities, most recently served on the Piedmont
·3· ·Municipal Power Agency Board from 2004 to 2014,
·4· ·served as chairman of that for three years.· During
·5· ·that time Commissioner Randall was also the mayor of
·6· ·Clinton.· From 20 -- 2006 to 2013 he was also on the
·7· ·American Public Power Association Policy Makers
·8· ·Council, served as the national chair on their board
·9· ·of directors from 2011 to 2012.· He was also the
10· ·chairman of the Clinton/Newberry Natural Gas
11· ·Authority from 2003 to 2013.· And before becoming
12· ·mayor of Clinton Mr. Randall served on City Council
13· ·of Clinton from 1993 to 2003.
14· · · · · · · ·Do you have any amendments to your
15· ·Personal Data Questionnaire?
16· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER RANDALL:· No, sir.
17· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· I would request at this
18· ·point that Commissioner Randall's Personal Data
19· ·Questionnaire be entered into the record with any
20· ·confidential information redacted, and I would
21· ·request also that the candidate's annual review by
22· ·the Public Utilities Review Committee, since the
23· ·candidate's prior screening, also be entered into
24· ·the record.
25· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 4, Personal Data Questionnaire for
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· · · · · · · ·Comer H. "Randy" Randall, II, was marked

·2· · · · · · · ·for identification.)
·3· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 5, Performance Evaluation for
·4· · · · · · · ·Comer H. "Randy" Randall, III, was
·5· · · · · · · ·marked for identification.)
·6· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· As part of our background
·7· ·investigation of the candidate we obtained a credit
·8· ·check, driver's license and SLED check.· For the
·9· ·record, I would also like to state that none of
10· ·those turned up anything negative about Commissioner
11· ·Randall or that should be brought to the attention
12· ·of the subcommittee.
13· · · · · · · ·Before I begin questioning, Commissioner
14· ·Randall, would you like to make a brief statement?
15· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER RANDALL:· Just I'm glad to
16· ·be here, I've enjoyed serving for the last three
17· ·years and so -- it's a very worthy cause so I think
18· ·I'm looking forward to getting on with this.
19· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.
20· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
21· ·BY MR. GOLDEN:
22· · · · · Q.· ·Please state your name and home address
23· ·for the record.
24· · · · · A.· ·Comer H. "Randy" Randall, III.· 306 West
25· ·Maple Street, Clinton, South Carolina.
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?

·2· · · · · A.· ·I am.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Which Con -- which Congressional
·4· ·District do you vote?
·5· · · · · A.· ·3rd District.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Could you describe an ordinary workday
·7· ·for you at the Commission?
·8· · · · · A.· ·Wow.· There's no ordinary days, you
·9· ·know.· We -- we -- we start -- well, I start every
10· ·day with about an hour commute from Clinton to
11· ·Columbia but, you know, different days require
12· ·different things, but every day starts with a lot of
13· ·reading, a lot of -- we have a lot of testimony, a
14· ·lot of different things that we get sent on each
15· ·case.· I used to take a lot of time -- our -- our
16· ·staff is a very good staff, so every day just about
17· ·I talk with somebody on either the legal side or the
18· ·technical side of our staff about upcoming cases
19· ·that are about things that we are talking about.
20· · · · · · · ·So it's -- it's -- you know, we -21· ·different days -- Wednesday is our meeting day but
22· ·we have meetings where we get briefed on other days
23· ·and then we have lots of days where we will have
24· ·anything from an ex parte hearing to a variance
25· ·hearing on rate cases and that kind of thing.· So
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·every day is a full day.

·2· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· You mentioned a little bit
·3· ·about your contact with staff.· What kind of role do
·4· ·they play with the commissioners?
·5· · · · · A.· ·Staff -- you know, our staff is -- is
·6· ·excellent.· They -- you know, they're there
·7· ·basically to answer questions but also to -- they
·8· ·brief us on things that -- especially on procedure.
·9· ·But, also, we've got a great technical staff, people
10· ·that have different expertise in different areas,
11· ·you know, everywhere from electricity to gas to the
12· ·telephone.· So we interact a good bit with our
13· ·staff.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· If you are approached by
15· ·someone wanting to discuss a matter that may or
16· ·likely may become an issue before the Commission,
17· ·how would you go about that?
18· · · · · A.· ·Well, first of all, tell them that we
19· ·can't talk about that.· You know, ex parte
20· ·communications are prohibited.· So we shut it down
21· ·immediately; however, if something does come up, if
22· ·somebody does say something, you have to report it.
23· ·Of course, we make sure that our staff knows it has
24· ·to go on the record, Public Utility Review Committee
25· ·needs to know about it especially if it's one that's
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·intentional.· So all parties need to be notified

·2· ·about that.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the two advisory
·4· ·opinions issued by PURC concerning attendance at
·5· ·legislative functions and caucus -- legislative
·6· ·caucus meetings?
·7· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any legislative
·9· ·reception, function or caucus meeting?
10· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Is it appropriate for a commissioner to
12· ·express a personal opinion on an issue within the
13· ·utility industry provided that that expression is
14· ·meant to educate the public and the issue is not
15· ·pending before the Commission at the time the
16· ·opinion is expressed?
17· · · · · A.· ·My personal opinion is I don't express
18· ·an opinion on -- on anything.· Being under the
19· ·judicial canons we try to make sure that everything
20· ·that we do is -- is subject to that.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· What is the appropriate
22· ·demeanor for a commissioner?
23· · · · · A.· ·I think we always try to treat everybody
24· ·like we want to be treated.· You know, we want to be
25· ·very professional.· We have -- in our hearings that
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·we have on the merits, in our ex partes, in -- in

·2· ·our public -- public hearings that we have for
·3· ·citizens to express themselves.· I think we all try
·4· ·to maintain a very professional attitude, a very
·5· ·listening attitude.· We do a lot of listening and
·6· ·not much talking.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Does that only apply in the hearing
·8· ·setting or is that seven days a week?
·9· · · · · A.· ·Seven days a week.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
11· ·anger amongst commissioners?
12· · · · · A.· ·Not from me.· I've been in -- in this
13· ·business -- you know, we -- there are times when the
14· ·Chair has to be firm and move a meeting along, but I
15· ·don't think there's ever a sternness or anger
16· ·necessary or shown.
17· · · · · Q.· ·I know it's only been your first term,
18· ·but could you please describe the three biggest
19· ·issues that have come before the Commission or may
20· ·even be pending right now?
21· · · · · A.· ·Well, you know, as far as our big
22· ·issues, we -- we've recently -- and this is all I'll
23· ·say about this one because we -- we've recently had
24· ·to rule on competition in the telecom industry, but
25· ·that's still under appeal so that's as much as I'll
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·say about that.

·2· · · · · · · ·Of course, we're ongoing with -- also
·3· ·with the -- when you're talking about the Base Load
·4· ·Review Act with the nuclear plants that are at V.C.
·5· ·Summer.· And, of course, we had the issue come up
·6· ·with the transportation network carrier that we had
·7· ·a ruling on and then we -- but the General Assembly
·8· ·made a -- put the law in where they wanted it to be
·9· ·so -- so now we're out of that one.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Following up on Number 2 I
11· ·think you mentioned, what is the purpose of the Base
12· ·Load Review Act?
13· · · · · A.· ·The Base Load Review Act basically is a
14· ·way to finance a new base load generation.· You
15· ·know, we -- new base load, which is nuclear or coal,
16· ·the -- basically the -- the way to -- for utilities
17· ·to recover cost pre-construction or cost of
18· ·construction while the plant is being constructed
19· ·but has not yet been put into service.· If it's the
20· ·nuclear plant, there's also some pre-construction
21· ·costs that can be recovered in that and also since
22· ·Carter (phonetic) rights, that type of thing.
23· · · · · · · ·You know, it's -- base load plants, you
24· ·know, can be either nuclear or coal; but if it's
25· ·coal, it's got to be the best available technologies
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·COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·by -- as set by EPA.· It's got to run at least 70

·2· ·percent capacity to be at least 350 megawatts.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Is there a way that the public may
·4· ·participate in proceedings under the Base Load
·5· ·Review Act so that their voices are heard?
·6· · · · · A.· ·Well, everything we that do, every
·7· ·proceeding that's -- that we have -- merits hearings
·8· ·or any -- we generally have in the merit hearing a
·9· ·time for public input.· We -- on big -- on rate
10· ·cases, that kind of thing, we have public hearings
11· ·around the State so that -- folks who are able to
12· ·express their opinions.
13· · · · · Q.· ·As a commissioner, what is your
14· ·obligation in weighing the interest of the public
15· ·versus that of an investor-owned utility?
16· · · · · A.· ·Well, we -- we have to make sure that
17· ·the rate payer is considered, we also have to make
18· ·sure that the financial stability of our utilities
19· ·and how that interacts also with the economic
20· ·development of our state.· So we -- there's a
21· ·balance there and it's pretty closely defined by
22· ·law, I think.
23· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Have you sought or received
24· ·a pledge of any legislator?
25· · · · · A.· ·No.
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered a

·2· ·conditional pledge of support by any legislator
·3· ·pending the outcome of this screening?
·4· · · · · A.· ·No, sir.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
·6· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
·7· ·behalf?
·8· · · · · A.· ·No.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware of any friends or
10· ·colleagues that maybe attempted to contact any
11· ·members of the General Assembly -12· · · · · A.· ·No.
13· · · · · Q.· ·-- on your behalf?
14· · · · · A.· ·No.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 48-hour rule?
16· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
17· · · · · Q.· ·Do you plan to serve a full term if you
18· ·are reelected?
19· · · · · A.· ·Absolutely.
20· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.· Mr. -21· ·Mr. Chair, I have no further questions.
22· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Thank you.
23· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
24· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
25· · · · · Q.· ·Commissioner Randall, you have served on
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·1· ·the nuclear subcommittee at NARUC?

·2· · · · · A.· ·Right.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·And what is the general view of the
·4· ·future of nuclear among some of your commissioners
·5· ·that don't have a plant being built?
·6· · · · · A.· ·It's interesting because everybody looks
·7· ·to South Carolina on a lot of issues, especially
·8· ·nuclear.· And I think it sort of goes -- depends on
·9· ·what section of the country that you're in, but I
10· ·think most people know that when you're looking at
11· ·the -- at the EPA's Clean Power Plan that the way
12· ·to, you know, meet the carbon objectives, especially
13· ·base load power, is nuclear.· And there -- there's
14· ·lots of -- I think -- one of the things I tell other
15· ·folks is I'm -- I'm glad to be where we've got 48
16· ·percent nuclear because we're -- we're going to have
17· ·the lights on when other people are going to be
18· ·sitting in the dark, I think.· But at the same time
19· ·you've got the issue of nuclear waste, and part of
20· ·the subcommittee that I'm -- I'm dealing with is -21· ·deals with nuclear waste and -- and what's going to
22· ·happen with Yucca Mountain and if there are other
23· ·states that want to be -- you know, take the nuclear
24· ·waste.· And there's -- we have a -- we have a call
25· ·at a briefing about once every other month about
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · · 1· ·that.

· · · 2· · · · · · · ·So different -- different areas of the
· · · 3· ·country have different ideas, but I think that's one
· · · 4· ·of the ways that we're going to be able to meet
· · · 5· ·EPA's.
· · · 6· · · · · Q.· ·Do you think that people are waiting to
· · · 7· ·see the outcome of the construction of the new
· · · 8· ·facilities?
· · · 9· · · · · A.· ·Yeah, I think so.· I think that's -· · ·10· ·that's a very fair statement to say folks are
· · ·11· ·trying -- you know, nobody's built a nuclear plant
· · ·12· ·in 30 years, so this is a pretty big deal nationwide
· · ·13· ·for South Carolina and Georgia at Vogtle to be
· · ·14· ·putting these plants in operation.· You know, while
· · ·15· ·they -- you get big public -- publicity on when they
· · ·16· ·have delays, you know, things that folks have to
· · ·17· ·remember is that it is the first time there's been
· · ·18· ·one built in 30 years.· So it's a pretty normal
· · ·19· ·situation in the process, I think.
· · ·20· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Any other committee
· · ·21· ·members have any questions for the Commissioner?
· · ·22· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
· · ·23· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
· · ·24· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
· · ·25· · · · · Q.· ·Just along those same lines, what are
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· · · 1· ·you hearing of what's being done at the national

· · · 2· ·level about hacking -- the potential of hacking into
· · · 3· ·our nuclear power system grids?
· · · 4· · · · · A.· ·We have sessions just about every time
· · · 5· ·we have a meeting with NARUC or SEARUC about cyber
· · · 6· ·security, and it sort of ebbs and flows to me with
· · · 7· ·different people.· I think everybody -- in fact, we
· · · 8· ·just got -- just got a book that I bought that was
· · · 9· ·talking about the national grid, and I think the
· · ·10· ·integrity of the grid is where people are mostly
· · ·11· ·worried about.
· · ·12· · · · · · · ·In my experience from -- from before
· · ·13· ·when I was dealing with APPA I know a lot of
· · ·14· ·utilities the investor owns and the -- the public
· · ·15· ·power utilities have all invested pretty heavily in
· · ·16· ·separate ways on cyber security.· And I think the
· · ·17· ·big push now is to make sure that we've got
· · ·18· ·everybody coordinated because, you know, you don't
· · ·19· ·want to have a cascading effect when something goes
· · ·20· ·down as you get hacked in the Northeast and it -- we
· · ·21· ·had that happen when it spread to Canada and spread
· · ·22· ·down the East Coast because we -- you know, all
· · ·23· ·those electrons are -- belong to everybody, so it's
· · ·24· ·a -- it's a serious -- very serious issue and I
· · ·25· ·think the connectivity is what -- what I hear mostly
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · · 1· ·in our meetings, about making sure that the right

· · · 2· ·hand knows what the left hand is doing.
· · · 3· · · · · Q.· ·What would you say has been your
· · · 4· ·greatest accomplishments in your three-year tenure
· · · 5· ·on the Commission?
· · · 6· · · · · A.· ·Wow.· Well, I think learning a whole lot
· · · 7· ·more about what we're doing.· You know -- you know,
· · · 8· ·this is a very complex business and I think that,
· · · 9· ·you know, Act 175 -- I think one of the goals was to
· · ·10· ·have an educated commission and I think that our -· · ·11· ·our group has done a good job at having
· · ·12· ·commissioners that know what they're doing.
· · ·13· · · · · · · ·So I -- and I think -- I guess as far as
· · ·14· ·accomplishments goes, I think the moving along, you
· · ·15· ·know, making sure that we are being fair in every
· · ·16· ·issue that we take up, making sure that we are
· · ·17· ·hearing the people of South Carolina and especially
· · ·18· ·the rate payers, but maintaining the financial
· · ·19· ·integrity of our utilities, too.
· · ·20· · · · · Q.· ·There is no one opposing you, but can
· · ·21· ·you tell me why you're most qualified in that
· · ·22· ·position?
· · ·23· · · · · A.· ·Well, you know, I was -- I was looking
· · ·24· ·at that, thinking about that, and I think -- I think
· · ·25· ·my prior experience -- I'm the only commissioner
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
· · · 1· ·that has ever been actually in the business on the

· · · 2· ·delivery side of -- of a utility, so I bring that to
· · · 3· ·the table, I think.· And I think that, you know, my
· · · 4· ·experience having been on that side of it with
· · · 5· ·electricity, with gas, with water and sewer, with
· · · 6· ·waste collection as well gives me a little bit
· · · 7· ·different insight to things.
· · · 8· · · · · · · ·And I was fortunate enough to be able to
· · · 9· ·be involved with American Public Power with
· · ·10· ·policymakers, which is elected officials on the
· · ·11· ·municipal level from all over the country.· And
· · ·12· ·we -- we engaged in a lot of dialogue with people
· · ·13· ·from every area of the country and, you know, had
· · ·14· ·the -- I wouldn't -- I was not considering a good
· · ·15· ·portion at the time, but when I was having to
· · ·16· ·testify at EPA with Ms. McCarthy on the -- on the
· · ·17· ·Mack rules it gave me a real background in what
· · ·18· ·we're doing.· And now that we've had -- I think one
· · ·19· ·of the -- one of the good things about the way we
· · ·20· ·elect our commissioners is having a test, having a
· · ·21· ·public hearing like this and people from all over
· · ·22· ·the country wonder about that.
· · ·23· · · · · · · ·But I think -- you know, it really makes
· · ·24· ·us focus on not only the issues that we've got going
· · ·25· ·on at any particular time but it also helps us focus
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·and -- on the -- you know, just knowing the

·2· ·business, knowing the rules of the game and knowing
·3· ·the details in everything that we do.
·4· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
·5· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·6· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Let me ask you.· What do you see is the
·8· ·future of renewables and the use of renewables in
·9· ·our energy mix?
10· · · · · A.· ·Well, I mean, we're going to have
11· ·renewables with the -- with Act 236 coming in.· It's
12· ·goings to be a balance, you know.· We're talking
13· ·about -- and I know you're keeping up with
14· ·everything with -- we're doing all of our
15· ·utilities -- electric utilities are doing -- have
16· ·really focused pretty heavily on community solar,
17· ·but also working on the part of Act 236 -- the small
18· ·scale solar, you know, the residential has got to be
19· ·20 kilowatts or less.· So I think it's going to be
20· ·there.
21· · · · · · · ·Still -- you know, we're still having
22· ·hearings on interconnection -- you know, the
23· ·interconnection agreement I think is probably -24· ·is -- has been a work in progress.· And I think that
25· ·a lot of people are -- are looking at that and
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COMER H. RANDY "RANDALL" RANDALL, III - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·it's -- it's beginning to get some momentum. I

·2· ·think everybody was a little nervous about how it
·3· ·was going to start and how -- and I think right now
·4· ·in South Carolina solar is going to be our -- our
·5· ·first real wave of renewables since we haven't
·6· ·really had a chance to -- to do any wind research
·7· ·too much.· We've done some, but it's really solar is
·8· ·where it's going to be.· So I think we're probably
·9· ·at two percent right now, I think that's probably
10· ·going to grow.
11· · · · · · · ·But you -- you know, it's -- one of the
12· ·things that I think everybody agrees on is that I
13· ·think communication is -- is a must when you're
14· ·talking renewables.· I don't think you can -- you
15· ·know, you can't promote solar energy as base load
16· ·power when you're talking in the difference of a 17
17· ·percent capacity factor as opposed to a 90, 95
18· ·percent capacity factor.
19· · · · · · · ·So I think that's communication,
20· ·marketing, how it's done and how it works into the
21· ·system and there's -- it's -- when you're talking
22· ·about bidirectional meters and that kind of thing,
23· ·it's a really -- it's really a complicated deal.
24· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Anybody else have any
25· ·questions?
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·1· · · · · · · ·(No response.)
·2· · · · · · · ·SENATOR:· All right.· At this time we'll
·3· ·ask you to stay, ask everybody else to leave for a
·4· ·quick executive session and we'll be back on the
·5· ·record in just a minute.
·6· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
·7· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· We will lift the
·8· ·veil.· No action was taken in executive session.
·9· ·We're now back in public session, continuing with
10· ·the screening of the Fifth District for Public
11· ·Service Commission and we have before us William J.
12· ·Billy Hagner.
13· · · · · · · ·Good morning.
14· · · · · · · ·MR. HAGNER:· Good morning.
15· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We first ask that the
16· ·court reporter swear you in.
17· · · · · · · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER
18· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
19· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· We're going to
20· ·proceed with some questions by the staff in which
21· ·you'll be given an opportunity to speak and address
22· ·us about why you want to serve, and then after that
23· ·we may have some follow-up questions.· So I'll turn
24· ·it over to the staff.
25· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Mr. Chairman, I'd like to
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·1· ·summarize Mr. Hagner's experience before I get into
·2· ·the questioning.
·3· · · · · · · ·Mr. Hagner began his education at the
·4· ·University of Arkansas before transferring to
·5· ·Louisiana Tech University in 1966.· He went on to
·6· ·graduate with a bachelor's of science degree in
·7· ·mechanical engineering in 1970.· He also took
·8· ·additional graduate courses in mechanical
·9· ·engineering toward his master degree.· He would
10· ·later return to school in 1988, getting his MBA from
11· ·Winthrop University in 1990.
12· · · · · · · ·Mr. Hagner began his professional career
13· ·in August of '70 in the engineering department of
14· ·International Paper Company.· In 1974 he was
15· ·transferred to the power utilities department,
16· ·starting as a supervisor, and then became assistant
17· ·plant -- power plant superintendent.· 1981
18· ·Mr. Hagner was hired to supervise the power/public
19· ·utilities department for Bowater, and then in 1990
20· ·he was promoted to the power utilities
21· ·superintendent/manager -- manager role where he
22· ·worked until his retirement in 2010.
23· · · · · · · ·All of that came from your Personal Data
24· ·Questionnaire.· Do you have anything you need to
25· ·amend to your PDQ?
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·1· · · · · · · ·MR. HAGNER:· No.· That sounds accurate.
·2· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Okay.· I would request at
·3· ·this time that Mr. Hag -- Mr. Hagner's Personal Data
·4· ·Questionnaire be entered into the record, also
·5· ·redacting any confidential information.
·6· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 7, Personal Data Questionnaire for
·7· · · · · · · ·William J. Hagner, was marked for
·8· · · · · · · ·identification.)
·9· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· As part of our background
10· ·investigation of the candidate we obtained a credit
11· ·check, driver's license and SLED check.· For the
12· ·record I would like to state that the credit check,
13· ·driver's license, SLED report -- none of it showed
14· ·anything negative and/or -- or that should be
15· ·brought to the attention of this committee.
16· · · · · · · ·Before we begin the questioning is there
17· ·a short statement you'd like to make to the
18· ·committee?
19· · · · · · · ·MR. HAGNER:· Nothing other than I
20· ·appreciate the opportunity to -- to apply for this
21· ·position and it has been a learning experience, not
22· ·only about the -- what all the PSC does and ORS but
23· ·also how the Government -- the legislature works and
24· ·a few of those things that I really haven't thought
25· ·about too much until I got a little more involved in
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·it.· So it's been a learning experience on my part.
·2· ·Appreciate it.
·3· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.
·4· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·5· ·BY MR. GOLDEN:
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Please state your name and your address
·7· ·for the record.
·8· · · · · A.· ·William J. Hagner.· 1901 Voyager Road in
·9· ·York, South Carolina.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?
11· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
12· · · · · Q.· ·Which Congressional District are you
13· ·registered?
14· · · · · A.· ·Fifth.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Why are you interested in serving on the
16· ·Public Service Commission?
17· · · · · A.· ·Well, I guess, first of all, my entire
18· ·background has been in the power utilities business.
19· ·I feel like it was a -- it's a pretty good -- pretty
20· ·good qualification to be on the Public Service
21· ·Commission.
22· · · · · · · ·I've been in power generation where we
23· ·generate electricity on an industrial level.· I've
24· ·been in coal generation, which is most -- most of
25· ·the heavy industry has, especially the paper
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·industry.· I've got experience in electrical
·2· ·distribution systems, experience in water systems,
·3· ·treating water -- raw water and making high quality
·4· ·processed water.· Also biomass steamer -- biomass
·5· ·steam production, also waste treatment.· I've got
·6· ·experience in electrical contracts and gas
·7· ·contracts, so that's kind of where my background is
·8· ·coming from, so I would feel like those
·9· ·qualifications would be a good -- a good set for the
10· ·PSC but also add more diversity in the way of work
11· ·experience on the Commission.· So that's -- that's
12· ·my main reason for that.
13· · · · · · · ·I also -- what kind of brought it to my
14· ·attention originally I guess in our area we had been
15· ·having some issues with I guess some drinking water
16· ·and quality and service issues that I'm not involved
17· ·in, I'm not on the system, but I did hear a good bit
18· ·of the conversation on that and all the news.· But
19· ·that's kind of what made me start thinking in this
20· ·direction.
21· · · · · Q.· ·As a follow-up to that have you attended
22· ·any hearings at the Commission?
23· · · · · A.· ·I attended one of the ex parte -- it was
24· ·on an IOP you had about a month ago.
25· · · · · Q.· ·Have you read any of the Commission's
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·decisions?
·2· · · · · A.· ·I can't say that I have read any of the
·3· ·decisions.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Can you describe your experience -- you
·5· ·just did a little bit, but a little bit more about
·6· ·your expertise in the following, be it energy
·7· ·issues, telecom, consumer protection, water and
·8· ·wastewater issues, finance -- any of those under the
·9· ·statute?· And you just talked a little bit about
10· ·your engineering background, but just a little bit
11· ·more?
12· · · · · A.· ·Yes, sir.· As far as my engineering
13· ·background I was in the plant engineering department
14· ·for several years and handled both small and larger
15· ·projects, probably the largest project was in the 5
16· ·to $6 million range but it was several years ago.
17· ·Here again, on all my -- I didn't stay in
18· ·engineering very long, just went into operations,
19· ·but it was more what I would like to do so I have,
20· ·like, been around urban generators, steam
21· ·generators, I was in biomass and all of that.· All
22· ·my vocation has been responsible for the treating of
23· ·water and waste treatment.
24· · · · · · · ·As far as telecommunications, I really
25· ·don't have any experience in transportation, nothing
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·there.· As far as I guess accounting and economic
·2· ·type things, I've had several -- I probably put
·3· ·three or four economic type classes both in the
·4· ·engineering and MBA program.
·5· · · · · · · ·And as a power utility manager quote
·6· ·responsible for a budget, anywhere from a $50
·7· ·million budget to a lot of different things.· And we
·8· ·were responsible for the maintain -- operation and
·9· ·we had to have a certain -- any kind of project or
10· ·anything we would properly return on the investment.
11· ·And our business was very competitive commodity type
12· ·product we sold, so it was very competitive and was
13· ·very important that we operated officially and knew
14· ·what our costs were.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Are you familiar with the
16· ·two advisory opinions issued by the Public Utility
17· ·Review Committee addressing attendance at
18· ·legislative functions and legislative caucus
19· ·meetings?
20· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended either of those or any
22· ·of those?
23· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· What role does the Public
25· ·Service Commission play in establishing the service
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·territory for cable companies in South Carolina?
·2· · · · · A.· ·Cable companies in South Carolina.

I

·3· ·can't say that I'm for sure on that, but I do know
·4· ·that they -- when you get into the competitive side
·5· ·of it it's not as involved as the noncompetitive
·6· ·side.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What's South Carolina's electric
·8· ·generation mix?
·9· · · · · A.· ·What they actually produce?· I think
10· ·around 55 percent nuclear, 25 coal and around ten is
11· ·the gas.· And the rest is either hydro and renewable
12· ·type biomass, solar.· I think that's the...
13· · · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Assume that you are serving
14· ·on the commission and you're approached by someone
15· ·who wishes to discuss a matter that is pending or
16· ·possibly could become pending before the Commission.
17· ·How would you handle that?
18· · · · · A.· ·First of all, you know, I would -- as
19· ·soon as I could I would tell him -- I assume I would
20· ·tell him immediately I could not discuss anything,
21· ·only -- only upcoming general that could be -- only
22· ·at an upcoming event.· I guess depending upon -- I
23· ·know there was two ways, one could be an
24· ·inadvertent -- inadvertently type communication and
25· ·another one I guess would be more of a blatant type
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· ·communication.
·2· · · · · · · ·I think in either case I would have to
·3· ·report it, probably need a little more guidance on
·4· ·what to do after that, but I do know it's not
·5· ·allowable and go from there.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that commissioners are
·7· ·bound by the Judicial Code of Conduct?
·8· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Are you affiliated with any political
10· ·parties, boards or commissions that would need to be
11· ·reevaluated if you're nominated and elected?
12· · · · · A.· ·I am on a gas authority board in York
13· ·County.· I feel like it would have to be evaluated
14· ·because the PSC does enforce and review safety
15· ·performance or the safety parts of the pipeline
16· ·system.· I am a precinct chairman in my precinct as
17· ·we evaluate that.· And then I also am a pole manager
18· ·for a precinct, electric, but I don't think that
19· ·would be a problem.
20· · · · · Q.· ·Would you be willing to resign any of
21· ·those if you were elected?
22· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I would.
23· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you belong to any
24· ·organizations that discriminate based on race,
25· ·religion or gender?
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· · · · · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY MR. GOLDEN
·1· · · · · A.· ·No, I don't.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·And what is the appropriate demeanor for
·3· ·a commissioner?
·4· · · · · A.· ·I think a commissioner should be very
·5· ·calm is one thing, should be attentive, should treat
·6· ·people with respect, treat people like you want to
·7· ·be treated.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
·9· ·anger from commissioners?
10· · · · · A.· ·I would not think anger -- I know not
11· ·anger.· Sternness I would think could be -- not
12· ·knowing what all the situations, I think there could
13· ·be situations where you did have to be stern.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Can you tell me what -- what is
15· ·cross-subsidization amongst energy classes?
16· · · · · A.· ·Cross-subsidization?
17· · · · · Q.· ·Mm-hmm.
18· · · · · A.· ·I don't -- energy classes, I don't
19· ·remember reading something on that.· I'm not
20· ·familiar.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Did you make any contributions to
22· ·members of the General Assembly within six months of
23· ·filing your application?
24· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
25· · · · · Q.· ·Have you made any contributions to
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· · · · ·WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·members since filing your application?
·2· · · · · A.· ·No.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or received a pledge of
·4· ·any legislator to date?
·5· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not and I haven't asked
·6· ·anybody to seek a pledge as far as anything like
·7· ·that.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·So nobody on your behalf is trying to do
·9· ·that?
10· · · · · A.· ·No.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar the 48-hour rule on
12· ·pledging -- which prohibits you from seeking pledges
13· ·until 48 hours after the report of the Public
14· ·Utility Review Committee becomes public?
15· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I'm aware of that.
16· · · · · Q.· ·If elected, would you serve a full term?
17· · · · · A.· ·I certainly would.
18· · · · · · · ·MR. GOLDEN:· Thank you.· I have no
19· ·further questions.
20· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
21· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
22· · · · · Q.· ·How did you find out about the fact that
23· ·there was going to be an availability to run for
24· ·this?· Were you recruited, did you read it in the
25· ·newspaper?· How did you learn about it?
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· · · · ·WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · A.· ·I had a person in the -- I guess in the
·2· ·community that asked me if I would be interested.
·3· ·She thought I would be interested in running.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·And on your questionnaire it says that
·5· ·you went to APGA Annual Conferences for several
·6· ·years.· What is APGA?
·7· · · · · A.· ·American Public Gas Association.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And also on your questionnaire it
·9· ·indicated that you are a company representative to
10· ·the South Carolina Energy Users Committee.· What is
11· ·that?
12· · · · · A.· ·They represent industry and the State on
13· ·such things as rate cases -- our biggest -- for our
14· ·company our biggest thing was the electric side, so
15· ·they would keep us abreast of anything coming down
16· ·the pipe on changes in the electrical pricing and
17· ·rules, things like that, and they would also -- we
18· ·would as a group represent -- try to look at the
19· ·industry's interest.
20· · · · · Q.· ·And how -- you've been retired for how
21· ·long?
22· · · · · A.· ·Right at five years.
23· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Five years.· Any other
24· ·representatives have any questions?
25· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Yes.
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· · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Mr. Forrester?
·2· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you,
·3· ·Mr. Chair.
·4· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·5· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Mr. Hagner, in your experience -- most
·7· ·of it I think was from industry; correct?
·8· · · · · A.· ·Yes, sir.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·You mentioned that you had contract
10· ·experience and I guess that was from an industry
11· ·perspective as well?· Negotiating with...
12· · · · · A.· ·Yes.· Not necessarily -- you have some
13· ·negotiating or also following the rules of the
14· ·contract.· As far as the electrical contract there's
15· ·several different types, there were things from real
16· ·pricing to time of day and that kind of stuff.· We
17· ·had gas contracts and had rules we had to follow as
18· ·contracts.
19· · · · · Q.· ·I believe you indicated that you
20· ·presently serve as a board member of the York County
21· ·Natural Gas Authority?
22· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
23· · · · · Q.· ·What's been -- what would you say has
24· ·been your greatest accomplishments in that role?
25· · · · · A.· ·In which role was that?
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· · WILLIAM J. HAGNER - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· · · · · Q.· ·With the gas utility?
·2· · · · · A.· ·The gas?· I guess being in the
·3· ·industry -- there was an industry and I guess a
·4· ·monopoly type company.· You have to look awful -- a
·5· ·lot stronger, in my opinion, on the industry side on
·6· ·cost.· I guess my interest has been on the gas side
·7· ·of it, was trying to be as efficient as possible at
·8· ·the same time looking at your reliability, your
·9· ·dependability, and your long-range planning ability
10· ·to have gas available.· I'd say that's probably the
11· ·biggest thing that I've been trying to emphasize,
12· ·would be the cost control.
13· · · · · Q.· ·So tell me, based on your experience,
14· ·why you would be the most qualified for this
15· ·position.
16· · · · · A.· ·Well, I feel like that I -- here again,
17· ·I have experience in doing a lot of the functions
18· ·that y'all -- that the PSC regulates, looks at from
19· ·the dependable -- dependability side of it, the
20· ·long-range side of it.· And the position I was -- I
21· ·was in I understood the importance of both of them.
22· ·I just feel like having someone that has actually
23· ·been on the generation side of it, production side
24· ·of it would be a plus to go along with the other -25· ·other seven to eight commissioners, or six
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·1· ·commissioners, to get a little bit more diversity on
·2· ·the board and having people that are not involved in
·3· ·the actual operation of that type of equipment.
·4· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
·5· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Any other questions?
·6· · · · · · · ·(No response.)
·7· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We'll ask
·8· ·you to stay for a minute.· We'll ask everybody to
·9· ·step out so we can be in brief executive session and
10· ·we'll be back.
11· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
12· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We're going to go back
13· ·on the record and continue with screening of the
14· ·Public Service Commission and we're still on
15· ·District 5 and we have with us now Commissioner
16· ·Swain E. Whitfield.
17· · · · · · · ·Commissioner Whitfield, will you be
18· ·sworn in by the court reporter.
19· · · · · · · · · SWAIN EDGAR WHITFIELD
20· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
21· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We are going
22· ·to turn this over to staff where you'll be asked
23· ·some questions where you'll be given an opportunity
24· ·to speak as to why you want to serve and we'll
25· ·follow that up with questions by members of the
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·1· ·committee.
·2· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Good morning.· I'm
·3· ·going to first give a very brief summary about
·4· ·Mr. Saleem -- Mr. Whitfield's -- his educational
·5· ·background and experience.
·6· · · · · · · ·Mr. Whitfield obtained a bachelor of
·7· ·arts degree from the University of Georgia.· He has
·8· ·served on the Public Service Commission since 2008.
·9· ·He currently serves on a number of NARUC committees.
10· ·He is the second vice president of SEARUC and serves
11· ·as vice president on the Gas Technology Institute
12· ·Advisory Board.
13· · · · · · · ·Prior to serving on the Commission he
14· ·served as president of Whitfield Transportation,
15· ·Inc., a company which he started in 1991.· From 1990
16· ·to '91 he worked at Senn Trucking Company as
17· ·director of brokerage operations.· From 1987 to '90
18· ·he served as the operations manager at Youmans
19· ·Transportation.
20· · · · · · · ·Mr. Whitfield has also served in other
21· ·public roles.· He was a member of the John De La
22· ·Howe School Board of Trustees from 2006 to 2008, and
23· ·he served on the Winnsboro City Council from 1995 to
24· ·1999.
25· · · · · · · ·I would request that Mr. Whitfield's
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·1· ·Personal Data Questionnaire be entered into the
·2· ·record with any confidential information such as
·3· ·Social Security number and financial information
·4· ·being redacted.· In addition, I would request that
·5· ·Mr. Whitfield's annual review by the Public
·6· ·Utilities Review Committee since his last screening
·7· ·be entered into the record.
·8· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 8, Personal Data Questionnaire for
·9· · · · · · · ·Swain Edgar Whitfield, was marked for
10· · · · · · · ·identification.)
11· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 9, Performance Evaluation for
12· · · · · · · ·Swain Edgar Whitfield, was marked for
13· · · · · · · ·identification.)
14· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· As part of our background
15· ·investigation of Mr. Whitfield, we have obtained a
16· ·credit check, driver's license and SLED check.· For
17· ·the record, I would like to state that the credit
18· ·check, driver's license and SLED check revealed no
19· ·negative information for Mr. Whitfield that should
20· ·be brought to the attention of the subcommittee.
21· · · · · · · ·Before we begin questioning, do you have
22· ·a brief statement that you would like to make?
23· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER WHITFIELD:· Yes,
24· ·Ms. Anderson, I would.· I'd like to thank the Review
25· ·Committee for -- for another term.· I'd like to
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·1· ·thank you for the confidence you have shown in me
·2· ·the past two terms.· A lot has changed in my life
·3· ·since I became a commissioner seven and a half -·4· ·nearly eight years ago.· I sold my business just as
·5· ·I came on the Commission, to devote full-time
·6· ·service to the Commission, and I've since moved
·7· ·twice as many of you know and a lot has changed.
·8· ·But it's wonderful job.· I have to pinch myself
·9· ·every day to still believe it's true.· A lot of
10· ·people think we deal with a lot of -- a lot of data
11· ·that can get kind of heavy at times, but I find it
12· ·interesting and fascinating and every day brings a
13· ·new challenge and a new witness and new experts in
14· ·front of us each and every day.· But it's a
15· ·fascinating job.
16· · · · · · · ·I would like to remind the Committee
17· ·that I'm the only commissioner that has been in
18· ·transportation for 22 years and held federal
19· ·authority and that last year 35 percent of our cases
20· ·were transportation cases which led the pack in all
21· ·cases.· I think followed by electric with 27
22· ·percent.· So I'd like to point that out, I'd like to
23· ·mention some of the training.· I think you all have
24· ·a lot of that in front of you and I will continue to
25· ·do that and just can't thank you enough.
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · · · ·It's been a wonderful experience and I'm
·2· ·here to ask for another term because there's several
·3· ·things in this next term that will be crucial during
·4· ·these next four years, and I addressed some of those
·5· ·last time I was before you and one of those is still
·6· ·pending.· So I'm eager to serve, I'm poised for
·7· ·leadership in several NARUC and SEARUC roles and
·8· ·hope that the Committee will find -- give me the
·9· ·opportunity to do so again.
10· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
11· ·BY MS. ANDERSON:
12· · · · · Q.· ·Please state your name and home address
13· ·for the record.
14· · · · · A.· ·Swain E. Whitfield, 124 Palmetto Place
15· ·Lane, Winnsboro, South Carolina 29180.
16· · · · · Q.· ·Are you registered voter?
17· · · · · A.· ·I am.
18· · · · · Q.· ·In which Congressional District are you
19· ·registered to vote?
20· · · · · A.· ·Fifth.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Please describe an ordinary workday for
22· ·you at the Commission.
23· · · · · A.· ·Well, we come in and I guess like
24· ·everybody in this day and age, probably one of the
25· ·first things we do is go through e-mail and check
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·1· ·messages and then usually we -- the Commission,
·2· ·we -- I interact with staff, there our staff at the
·3· ·Commission, and we kind of look at what's on the
·4· ·agenda for this week or what brief -- what briefing
·5· ·might be before us and I'll interact with them.· And
·6· ·then usually once that's done I kind of check
·7· ·through either SEARUC or NARUC messages and some of
·8· ·the committees -- many of us are on multiple
·9· ·committees so we're constantly being kept up -10· ·updated on current issues in the utility regulatory
11· ·industry, through both NARUC and SEARUC.
12· · · · · Q.· ·And you touched on this, but if you want
13· ·to elaborate what type of contact do you have with
14· ·the Commission staff?
15· · · · · A.· ·I would say in my case it's a daily
16· ·contact.· It's -- we -- we have an excellent staff
17· ·as many of you know.· We have six attorneys and we
18· ·have a couple of accounting advisers and engineers.
19· ·Dr. Spearman, our economist, and -- and we have a
20· ·water person and wastewater person as well.· And we
21· ·have several other support people as well, and I -22· ·I interact with all of them.
23· · · · · Q.· ·Your annual review reports by the Public
24· ·Utilities Review Committee have been entered into
25· ·the record.· Would you like to provide any
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·1· ·additional description concerning your experience or
·2· ·expertise that is not covered in your PDQ or your
·3· ·annual -- annual reviews in energy issues,
·4· ·telecommunications, consumer protection,
·5· ·water/wastewater, finance, economic, statistics,
·6· ·accounting, engineering or law?
·7· · · · · A.· ·I don't know of anything.· There's a few
·8· ·other NARUC-related things that are not in there
·9· ·that are -- like that has come in in the last week
10· ·or so that I haven't mentioned, but I don't know of
11· ·anything to add to what you have there.
12· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If you are approached by someone
13· ·wanting to discuss a matter that is or may become an
14· ·issue in a proceeding, how would you handle the
15· ·situation?
16· · · · · A.· ·Just simply tell them we -- we cannot
17· ·discuss it.· It just really -- it really doesn't
18· ·happen I guess because of Act 175.· I've not been
19· ·approached -- I think the last time before -- I was
20· ·before this committee I mentioned an inadvertent
21· ·communication that a constituent had sent me and
22· ·that occurred and that was prior to me even running
23· ·last time and that was placed in the record, but
24· ·completely inadvertent.· And all parties were
25· ·notified and it was placed into the record and
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·nobody had any -- anything to contest about it.· But
·2· ·other than that, in my nearly eight years I've not
·3· ·really been approached.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the two advisory
·5· ·opinions issued by the Review Committee dealing with
·6· ·attendance at legislative receptions as well as
·7· ·legislative caucus meetings?
·8· · · · · A.· ·I am.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any legislative
10· ·receptions and/or legislative caucus meetings?
11· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
12· · · · · Q.· ·What is the appropriate demeanor for a
13· ·commissioner?
14· · · · · A.· ·The appropriate demeanor for a
15· ·commissioner is to -- to be impartial and -- and
16· ·unbiased and sit and take each and every case on its
17· ·own merits and weigh the evidence, weigh the
18· ·pre-filed testimony, the rebuttal testimony -- all
19· ·the testimony.· And once that's all been entered
20· ·into the record really just to sit and be a good
21· ·listener and to be a good referee, if you will, to
22· ·make sure everyone plays by the rules and that
23· ·everyone -- ever party, every intervenor, every
24· ·party of record -- anybody that appears before us
25· ·needs to be treated fairly and equally.
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·1· · · · · Q.· ·And would that be something that would
·2· ·apply only while you were on the bench or at all
·3· ·times?
·4· · · · · A.· ·That applies at all times.· Certainly
·5· ·what I just described was during a hearing, but -·6· ·but, really, your out of the hearing room actions
·7· ·can have a huge impact as well.· And we don't need
·8· ·to do anything that could give the appearance of any
·9· ·impropriety or the appearance of any bias or
10· ·favoritism toward -- toward any side or the
11· ·appearance of any opposing view of any -- any party
12· ·that comes before us or any -- any group or party.
13· · · · · · · ·So we really just -- like I said, the
14· ·last eight years I totally -- just totally been in
15· ·my own little insulated world, so to speak.· And it
16· ·doesn't mean we aren't to interact with the public,
17· ·we do, but certainly we are not to do anything to -18· ·to give any appearance of any bias or prejudice.
19· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
20· ·anger with the commissioners?
21· · · · · A.· ·I would say no, certainly not for anger.
22· ·We have had a few night hearings where we've had to
23· ·show some sternness sometimes with the gavel, but
24· ·certainly not anger.· And we expect everybody to be
25· ·treated fairly, both in our merits hearings and in
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·our night hearings, public night hearings as well.
·2· ·If someone is getting unruly or out of hand, it's -·3· ·it's the Chairman's job to -- to rule that person
·4· ·out of order and ultimately control the meeting.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Can you name three issues that are
·6· ·either pending before the Commission or that may
·7· ·come before you in your consideration as a
·8· ·commissioner -- actually, I'm sorry, let me rephrase
·9· ·that.
10· · · · · · · ·What would be the top three issues,
11· ·either pending or that may come before the
12· ·Commission in the near future, that you would
13· ·consider kind of big ticket items?
14· · · · · A.· ·Could I ask, Ms. Anderson, are you
15· ·referring to federal -- the federal issues or other
16· ·issues that may impact South Carolina or are you
17· ·referring to specific cases that might come before
18· ·us?
19· · · · · Q.· ·Well, I don't -- what are some
20· ·general -- three general topics?
21· · · · · A.· ·Okay.· Great.· Okay.· That helps me a
22· ·lot.· Well, naturally the Clean Power Plan is
23· ·probably first and foremost in front of
24· ·everybody's -- on everybody's mind.· And -- and you
25· ·may know in South Carolina our carbon emission limit
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·1· ·has been reduced back to 32 percent from 51 percent
·2· ·with the latest Clean Power Plan that has been
·3· ·released.· And, of course, it's been widely reported
·4· ·in the media that has been issued a stay by the D.C.
·5· ·Circuit and it's pending before the Supreme Court,
·6· ·so we'll see how that plays out and how that may
·7· ·impact South Carolina.· But it will still have huge
·8· ·implications on our -- and it already has as we
·9· ·started preparing for it, as many of our utilities
10· ·have retired coal-fired plants and switched to
11· ·natural gas.· And we also -- we've also certificated
12· ·a few brand new natural gas facility -- one big one
13· ·in the Upstate, 750 megawatt one that we have
14· ·approved.· So that's one big issue.
15· · · · · · · ·Another big issue coming before the
16· ·Commission, at least here in South Carolina, is
17· ·the -- I'll call it the Renaissance in America
18· ·nuclear power that didn't happen nationally.· It is
19· ·happening here in South Carolina and in Georgia with
20· ·our two new units here, our two AP1000s here and the
21· ·two new AP1000s being built in Georgia.· And there
22· ·is one other unit, but the 29 new unit -- units that
23· ·we thought were going to come on nationally have now
24· ·turned into five.
25· · · · · · · ·So we are still in the -- in the thick
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·of things, if you will, for lack of a better term
·2· ·and fear, but I can't say much more than that about
·3· ·that process because it is an ongoing matter before
·4· ·the Commission and -- but also what I would point
·5· ·out is that in some areas of the country, in some of
·6· ·the regulated markets you've had quite the opposite.
·7· ·You've had a few nuclear power plants that have
·8· ·actually shut down and -- because of being in those
·9· ·markets there hasn't been the demand for -- for them
10· ·and for other reasons and there have been other
11· ·reasons that plants have been shut down.· Everything
12· ·from physical problems to -- to actually opposition
13· ·there from the local or regional area that the
14· ·plants are located in.
15· · · · · · · ·And probably another big thing that I
16· ·would say is facing the Commission is in the telecom
17· ·area.· As our -- we -- we've moved from a
18· ·copper-based and public switch -- public switched
19· ·access network system to the IP transition, that's
20· ·going to bring huge changes in our telecom area.· So
21· ·those are three of the big ones that I see.· There
22· ·are many more as we continue our distributed
23· ·generation you're going to face cyber security
24· ·threats and all kind of things as we continue to
25· ·push out.· You're going to face looking at the rate
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·making model and the cost shift paradigm as we
·2· ·continue to deploy and distribute a generation,
·3· ·which I think our legislature did a good thing in
·4· ·enacting Act 236 and we're in the midst of carrying
·5· ·that out now.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·What is the purpose of the Base Load
·7· ·Review Act?
·8· · · · · A.· ·The purpose of the Base Load Review Act
·9· ·is -- there's several reasons, but one of the
10· ·primary things was to encourage capital investment
11· ·and new nuclear generation and to encourage
12· ·utilities to build base load generation.· Parts of
13· ·that act, of course, as you know, did not only apply
14· ·to nuclear but the main bulk of it was to encourage
15· ·new nuclear.· And if you want to know the -- of
16· ·course, it applies to something larger than 350
17· ·megawatts or greater and must have 70 percent
18· ·capacity.
19· · · · · · · ·But the other -- the other biggest
20· ·reason I guess is for the rate payer, so that the
21· ·rate payer could enjoy that generation and have the
22· ·reliability and safe, affordable, reliable power for
23· ·generation -- for another generation or so to come
24· ·without being hit with massive rate shock, if you
25· ·will, in the end.· Instead, by the Base Load Review
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·Act what it's allowing, it's allowing the company to
·2· ·recruit the AFDC (phonetic) or the interest, if you
·3· ·will, in advance while the plant is under
·4· ·construction so that a lot of these interest costs
·5· ·has been estimated up to a billion will be saved in
·6· ·our new projects.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Is there a way that the public could
·8· ·participate during the proceedings to make sure
·9· ·that, in essence, their voice is heard in Base Load
10· ·Review Act proceedings?
11· · · · · A.· ·Certainly part of the Base Load Review
12· ·Act allows for any party to challenge prudency in -13· ·in any revision that we have each year.· And, of
14· ·course, that intervenor or that party does have to
15· ·challenge the prudency and show that there was
16· ·imprudence found, so each and every time there is an
17· ·opportunity for that.· Every time we -- we have a
18· ·revised rate hearing in that matter there is an
19· ·opportunity for a party to do that.
20· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or received a pledge of
21· ·any legislator prior to this date?
22· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
23· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered a
24· ·conditional pledge of support by any legislator
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
·3· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
·4· ·behalf before the final and formal screening report
·5· ·has been released?
·6· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware of any friends or
·8· ·colleagues contacting members of the General
·9· ·Assembly on your behalf?
10· · · · · A.· ·I am not.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 48-hour rule
12· ·which prohibits a candidate from seeking pledges
13· ·until 48 hours after the report has been submitted
14· ·to the General Assembly?
15· · · · · A.· ·I am.
16· · · · · Q.· ·And would you plan to serve a full term
17· ·if reelected?
18· · · · · A.· ·I would.
19· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Thank you.· I have no
20· ·further questions.
21· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
22· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
23· · · · · Q.· ·I see that one of the things that you
24· ·attended, maybe a couple of years ago, was an FBI
25· ·cyber security briefing.· What role does the PSC
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·have in making sure that our power supply is -- is
·2· ·insulated as it can be from being hacked or misused?
·3· · · · · A.· ·That's a great question, Senator Hutto,
·4· ·and also a delicate matter.· That briefing I
·5· ·attended was a classified briefing and I signed my
·6· ·life away that I could never disclose what I heard
·7· ·or saw or learned in that briefing so I can't get
·8· ·into that but it was fascinating, to say the least.
·9· ·And I am vice chair of the Critical Infrastructure
10· ·Committee and one of the things that when I was -11· ·when Ms. Anderson was questioning me, I just
12· ·recently in the last week -- well, last couple of
13· ·days, even, got a call saying that I am being
14· ·considered for the chairmanship of that committee
15· ·and that committee does deal with cyber security and
16· ·we have cyber experts in a lot.
17· · · · · · · ·Typically we -- we've got some federal
18· ·agencies, first of all, that are on the forefront of
19· ·that.· But it's our job to -- to, as we say, provide
20· ·safe, affordable and reliable power in South
21· ·Carolina.· And that's where safety is being
22· ·broadened to mean a lot of other things because of
23· ·cyber security.· And as you -- as we go -- as the
24· ·grid is modernized from a -- from a -- to a more
25· ·digital type system and as we start to get into
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· · · · ·SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·distributive generation, there's more opportunities
·2· ·for cyber issues to become a problem as you -·3· ·you -- there are more -- more opportunities to our
·4· ·scatus (phonetic) systems.· There's more
·5· ·opportunities for that to -- to happen.
·6· · · · · · · ·And so we have taken a role at Critical
·7· ·Infrastructure that it's kind of a need to know
·8· ·basis and I think Representative Forrester was at
·9· ·one of our NARUC meetings when we had a forum on
10· ·that.· And it got to be quite a debate among
11· ·commissioners as to who should have top level
12· ·security and who should not.· And -- and I kind of
13· ·take the stance of if you know -- it's kind of like
14· ·reading something that we have in a case before us
15· ·that's confidential and sealed and redacted.· Once
16· ·you know those sorts of things, you're in danger of
17· ·somebody trying to get it out of you.
18· · · · · · · ·And so we kind of think the few -- I
19· ·take the notion the fewer the people that know
20· ·certain things that the better off you are.· Pretty
21· ·soon if everybody has top level clearance, then
22· ·what's the purpose of having top -- top security
23· ·clearance?· And we did have to get clearance to go
24· ·to that briefing you referred to with PURC and FBI.
25· · · · · · · ·But we have had to really dive deep into
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·1· ·some of these things and we've had one hearing where

·2· ·some cyber security costs were placed into the
·3· ·record and then later removed, and I think they're
·4· ·going to come back later once we know a little bit
·5· ·more in depth as things move forward.· So it's one
·6· ·of those things that's really hard to -- to deal
·7· ·with in a public manner, like an open manner,
·8· ·because certain things if you get into you're going
·9· ·to have to clear the room.· So it's a delicate
10· ·situation, Senator, is what I would say and it's
11· ·going to be moving forward.
12· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· Mr. Forrester?
13· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
14· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
15· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
16· · · · · Q.· ·Mr. Whitfield, you spent eight years on
17· ·the Public Service Commission.· What would you say
18· ·are your greatest accomplishments during that
19· ·period?
20· · · · · A.· ·I would say our -- well, the greatest
21· ·accomplishments here are holding two major what I
22· ·would call cases of a lifetime here in South
23· ·Carolina, the two Base Load Review units, the two
24· ·units -- Units 2 and 3 at V.C. Summer which are
25· ·still ongoing.· I got on the Commission about six
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·1· ·months before those cases started and they were -·2· ·they lasted about a month, or close to it, and we
·3· ·went late into the night many nights, and they
·4· ·were -- it was certainly a landmark case that is
·5· ·still ongoing as you well know.
·6· · · · · · · ·And the other one I would say -- I guess
·7· ·I'm talking in terms of largest was the Duke
·8· ·Progress merger which has now fully taken effect.
·9· ·We do have some other mergers upcoming, but they
10· ·are -- the Commission will be a little bit limited
11· ·in its involvement with those mergers.
12· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Last question.· Tell me why
13· ·you're the most qualified person for this position.
14· · · · · A.· ·Well, I would say that I've -- some of
15· ·the training I've been through -- I would say when I
16· ·hear a case I rely on all of my life experience.
17· ·That includes 22 years in -- in transportation as a
18· ·business owner, my experience in local government
19· ·and with municipality -- municipal-owned utilities.
20· ·I rely on everything in -- in my 52 years when I
21· ·hear a case.
22· · · · · · · ·However, the thing that's the most
23· ·crucial is the training that you have afforded me to
24· ·have, primarily through NARUC, over the last eight
25· ·years.· I can certainly say the first two years as a
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· · SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·commissioner every -- I think every commissioner
·2· ·will tell you nationally, and here in South
·3· ·Carolina, that the first two years is a long
·4· ·learning curve and you continue to learn each and
·5· ·every day.· So I would say my -- my training that
·6· ·I've experienced over the last eight years and
·7· ·continued experience.
·8· · · · · · · ·I might point out that Tier 1 training
·9· ·you see on there, that's just not something I went
10· ·and got in the last year.· That's the cumulative
11· ·total of 240 hours of training, and very few
12· ·commissioners in the nation have that.· I just
13· ·received that distinction last year, and that's
14· ·something that I've done as a combined level of all
15· ·my training.
16· · · · · · · ·And I also would point out that I'm
17· ·familiar with these issues that we're going to be
18· ·facing in the next four years, particularly the
19· ·Clean Power Plan, the IP transition that's coming
20· ·forward in telecom, the coal ash issue -- there's
21· ·just so many issues that are coming before us over
22· ·the next -- that are right on the forefront that I
23· ·think I'm in position to deal with.· And I also am
24· ·vice chairman of several groups, as you can see, and
25· ·hope to move into the chairman role of several of
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· · SWAIN E. WHITFIELD - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·these organizations that's going to benefit South
·2· ·Carolina if I do become chairman of those groups.
·3· ·One of them is SEARUC, and I'll just flat tell you
·4· ·if I'm chairman of SEARUC I plan to have SEARUC here
·5· ·in South Carolina.
·6· · · · · · · ·So there's just several things that
·7· ·I'm -- I am vice chair in waiting, if you will, and
·8· ·I hope to use a lot of the training and leadership
·9· ·that you all have afforded me as a commissioner to
10· ·participate in.· And I hope to be able to use those
11· ·skills and training and education that you have
12· ·afforded me to give back to my state.· And I think
13· ·this would be, you know, perhaps my most beneficial
14· ·back to the people of South Carolina in this term as
15· ·a commissioner yet.· So I'm eager to give that back.
16· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
17· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We're going
18· ·to ask you to stay for a minute and ask everybody
19· ·else to leave, and following that we'll come back in
20· ·open session and break for lunch.
21· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
22· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We will lift the veil
23· ·now and we will break for lunch.· We're scheduled to
24· ·come back at 1:30.· I guess we probably could start
25· ·at 1:15 if we want to.· I'll leave it up to...
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·1· · · · · · · ·MR. SIMMONS:· I won't be here, if you
·2· ·want to.
·3· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· It will be
·4· ·the three of us.· Let's -- we're going to come back
·5· ·into public session 15 minutes, because we're ahead
·6· ·right now, we're going to move lunch up and start
·7· ·back at 1:15.
·8· · · · · · · ·(A luncheon recess transpired.)
·9· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We're
10· ·continuing on with our screening of Public Service
11· ·Commission candidates for the District 7 and our
12· ·next candidate is Clara L. Brockington.
13· · · · · · · ·Good afternoon.
14· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· Good afternoon.
15· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· First we ask you to be
16· ·sworn in.
17· · · · · · · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON
18· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
19· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Ms. Brockington, we will
20· ·first proceed with some questions by the staff and
21· ·during that opportunity -- you'll be given an
22· ·opportunity to tell us why you would like to serve
23· ·on the PSC and following that we'll have questions
24· ·by the Committee.
25· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· First I'm going to give a
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·1· ·brief summarization of Ms. Brockington's educational
·2· ·and experience background.
·3· · · · · · · ·Ms. Brockington received an associate's
·4· ·degree as a paralegal from Florence-Darlington
·5· ·technical college.· She then obtained a bachelor's
·6· ·degree in social work from Limestone College and a
·7· ·master's degree in social work from the University
·8· ·of South Carolina.· Ms. Brockington has worked with
·9· ·Domestic Violence Court since February 2003.· From
10· ·1996 to 1999 she was a supervisor at Lee
11· ·Correctional Facility.· From 1995 to '96 she worked
12· ·as a coordinator with Darlington County Disabilities
13· ·and Special Needs.· From 1990 to '95 she was
14· ·employed as a social worker at McLeod Regional
15· ·Medical Center, and prior to 1990 she was employed
16· ·as a counselor at South Carolina Vocational
17· ·Rehabilitation Department.
18· · · · · · · ·Ms. Brockington, do you have any changes
19· ·that you would to make to the Personal Data
20· ·Questionnaire you submitted with your application?
21· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· No, I do not.
22· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· I would request that
23· ·Ms. Brockington's Personal Data Questionnaire be
24· ·entered into the record with any confidential
25· ·information being redacted.
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·1· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 11, Personal Data Questionnaire
·2· · · · · · · ·for Clara Lewis Brockington, was marked
·3· · · · · · · ·for identification.)
·4· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 12, Clara Brockington SLED Report,
·5· · · · · · · ·was marked for identification.)
·6· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· And, Ms. Brockington, as
·7· ·clarification for the record your PDQ, your Personal
·8· ·Data Questionnaire, states that you currently work
·9· ·for domestic violence courts.· Can you describe what
10· ·kind of entity this is?
11· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· It is an entity that
12· ·deals with perpetrators that have committed some
13· ·type of domestic crime, assault, attempted and they
14· ·are given court sentences.· And normally instead of
15· ·court -- instead of the fines doing the court
16· ·sentence, then they can -- can choose to attend a
17· ·domestic class.· And then once they attend the
18· ·domestic class, then they will be considered have
19· ·completed the sentence that was given and that can
20· ·come off of their record, can be erased from their
21· ·record.
22· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Okay.· So the entity that
23· ·you work for isn't the actual court system, it's
24· ·either -- is it a business or a nonprofit?
25· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· It's a business that
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·1· ·works jointly with the court system.
·2· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Okay.· And the title of
·3· ·the business entity, the name of it, is Domestic
·4· ·Violence Court?
·5· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· Yes.
·6· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Okay.· And as part of our
·7· ·background investigation of Ms. Brockington we
·8· ·obtained a credit check, a driver's license and a
·9· ·SLED check and the staff has questions of a
10· ·confidential or personal nature and will request
11· ·that they be taken up in executive session at the
12· ·appropriate time.
13· · · · · · · ·Before we begin questioning, do you have
14· ·a brief statement that you would like to make?
15· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· My brief statement
16· ·would be that I have applied today for this
17· ·Commissioner District 7 position because of numerous
18· ·reasons.· One will be because I feel that I am
19· ·qualified for that position with my background, my
20· ·education, and with my being able to connect with
21· ·resources, knowing the contact of the different
22· ·communities that I have traveled and will continue
23· ·traveling, and the different court laws that I've
24· ·heard, dealing with the different attorneys, judges
25· ·and all of that.· I feel like that qualifies me for
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·that position.
·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·3· ·BY MS. ANDERSON:
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Please state your name and home address
·5· ·for the record.
·6· · · · · A.· ·My name is Clara Lewis Brockington and
·7· ·my home address is 3301 East Bennett Drive,
·8· ·Florence, South Carolina 29506.· But I get my mail
·9· ·at Post Office Box 3232, Florence, South Carolina
10· ·29502.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?
12· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I am.
13· · · · · Q.· ·In which Congressional District are you
14· ·registered to vote?
15· · · · · A.· ·I am registered in the -- it's on my
16· ·voter's registration card, I went blank.· (Reading.)
17· ·It has 21 on here, I don't know what that means.
18· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You touched on this earlier in
19· ·your brief statement but in case there's anything
20· ·you want to elaborate on, why are you interested in
21· ·serving on the Public Service Commission?
22· · · · · A.· ·Well, as a social worker, Number 1,
23· ·social workers like challenges and this would be a
24· ·challenge for me.
25· · · · · · · ·Number 2, I believe in being a good
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·listener and having the understanding of the Public
·2· ·Service Commission concerning the utilities.· And
·3· ·I'm an advocate, I have that experience with being
·4· ·an advocate.· I also do a lot of my own finances
·5· ·concerning my budget.
·6· · · · · · · ·And so numerous qualifications that are
·7· ·required, I do that on a daily basis and I feel like
·8· ·those qualifications and the experience that I have
·9· ·it would definitely qualify me for a person to
10· ·travel around being in meetings.· I am a good team
11· ·player, understand different parts of the laws and
12· ·all that and it will, I think, tie me in to be a
13· ·good person for this position.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And while we're on the topic of
15· ·qualifications, as you know there were a number of
16· ·items in the statute listed for areas of expertise
17· ·and so I'm going to name each one of those in case
18· ·you have anything else you want to add to it.
19· · · · · · · ·If you would describe your experience or
20· ·expertise that you have not already covered in the
21· ·following areas, including the time that you've been
22· ·engaged in the issues -- energy, telecommunications,
23· ·consumer protection and advocacy, water and
24· ·wastewater, finance, economics and statistics,
25· ·accounting, engineering or law.
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · A.· ·Telecommunication, I am the
·2· ·telecommunication person because I go and do all the
·3· ·public speaking, I do all of the training, I do all
·4· ·of the communicating where there is a problem going
·5· ·on with anyone in the agency or with agency laws or
·6· ·whatever our standards are.· As far as domestic
·7· ·violence, I am that person.· Whenever the judges
·8· ·have a problem, they contact me and we meet.· We
·9· ·revise if we need to to satisfy the judges because
10· ·that's one of the persons I definitely want to
11· ·satisfy is the judge.· So I've done many revisions
12· ·that he has -- that they have requested in our
13· ·closed door meetings to make the program more
14· ·accessible for the offenders.
15· · · · · · · ·As far as the accounting, I am
16· ·responsible for accounting as far as doing my
17· ·budgets, I do my budgets every year, submit my
18· ·budgets to get them approved.· So -- and I do
19· ·payroll, all of that, I do my own accounting.
20· · · · · · · ·The advocacy.· Advocacy, I've been doing
21· ·that ever since I've been a social worker -- from a
22· ·social worker to working at the hospital, working
23· ·with disabilities and special needs.· All of my
24· ·employment involved advocacy.· What else...
25· · · · · Q.· ·Energy, telecommunications, consumer
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·protection and advocacy, water and wastewater,
·2· ·finance, economics, statistics, accounting,
·3· ·engineering or law.
·4· · · · · A.· ·Okay.· And as far as the law, I'm in the
·5· ·law -- in the courtroom every day and so I'm hearing
·6· ·the law, I'm seeing the lawmakers.· We constantly
·7· ·are viewing laws of the State concerning our
·8· ·domestic policy and any other laws that we have to
·9· ·help us encompass what we are trying to do.· And we
10· ·also speak occasionally with, you know, several of
11· ·our lawyers here at the State House and State
12· ·senators because several of those lawmakers are
13· ·attorneys.· So I am in touch with those lawmakers a
14· ·lot when they're in the courtroom.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any hearings at the
16· ·Commission?
17· · · · · A.· ·Pardon me?
18· · · · · Q.· ·Have you -- have you attended -- have
19· ·you gone to any hearings at the Public Service
20· ·Commission?
21· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Have you read any of the Commission's
23· ·decisions?
24· · · · · A.· ·Not quite sure if I did.· I've read a
25· ·lot of material and I don't know if there were
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·decisions, but I read a lot of material.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·How would you expect to get up to speed
·3· ·on issues confronting the Commission?
·4· · · · · A.· ·In any job that you obtain, any job that
·5· ·I hire individuals, because all of the individuals
·6· ·who work for me they have to have master's degrees,
·7· ·but master's degrees don't really tell anything.
·8· ·It's just a piece of paper.· And I tell all my staff
·9· ·in my education at University of South Carolina one
10· ·thing that I was taught by numerous of my
11· ·professors, they said lots of people are not test
12· ·takers, that they will do terrible on a test, but
13· ·those are your front line people that you would like
14· ·to put out there and do the job.· And I've learned
15· ·that because I do give a small test for my
16· ·employer -- employees, and lots of them do score a
17· ·little bit lower.· So I've learned I don't cast
18· ·those people out, I give them opportunities and that
19· ·does prove correct what -- what I've learned from
20· ·the University of South Carolina.
21· · · · · · · ·So I feel like hands-on, being a doer,
22· ·continue reading information, continue receiving
23· ·training, because training -- continued education is
24· ·the key to every -- every job.· So I feel like with
25· ·the portion of all of that, you will stay abreast of
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·what's going on with the Commissioner and do one of
·2· ·the best jobs.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the two advisory
·4· ·opinions issued by the Review Committee dealing with
·5· ·attendance at legislative receptions and legislative
·6· ·caucus meetings?
·7· · · · · A.· ·I am familiar that you are not to attend
·8· ·any of those meetings until an election has been
·9· ·held.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any legislative
11· ·receptions or caucus meetings since receiving the
12· ·advisory opinion?
13· · · · · A.· ·I have not.
14· · · · · Q.· ·Assume that you were serving on the
15· ·Commission and you were approached by someone
16· ·wanting to discuss a matter that is or may become an
17· ·issue in the proceeding.· How would you handle the
18· ·situation?
19· · · · · A.· ·I would let them know that I am a
20· ·candidate for the Public Service Commission and I
21· ·have been informed through all of my reading
22· ·material that I do not discuss any information
23· ·concerning anything they're asking me about that.

I

24· ·have -- there is an appropriate time for that and
25· ·this time is not the correct time.
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · Q.· ·What is the general rule regarding ex
·2· ·parte communication?
·3· · · · · A.· ·The general rule is you cannot -- you
·4· ·cannot be a part of any ex parte because that is
·5· ·leading to impartiality and you don't want to be -·6· ·that's leading to partiality and you don't want to
·7· ·show any partiality.· You want to be impartial on
·8· ·any rules or laws or all that, so you would not take
·9· ·part in anything that is partiality.· You want to
10· ·remain impartial.
11· · · · · Q.· ·And how would you handle a situation if
12· ·someone approached you and there was a discussion?
13· ·What -- what would be the remedy to that?
14· · · · · A.· ·I would inform them that this is one of
15· ·the laws under the Public Service Commission and
16· ·that I will not be able to take part in any ex parte
17· ·because I am not being -- I'm not being partial to
18· ·anything and I am impartial at this time.· And
19· ·after -- after an appropriate time, then I would
20· ·inquire and see when I can and if I could take part
21· ·in what I'm being asked.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that commissioners are
23· ·subject to the Judicial Code of Conduct as well as
24· ·State ethics laws?
25· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · Q.· ·Are you affiliated with any political
·2· ·parties, boards or commissions that would need to be
·3· ·reevaluated if you were nominated and elected?
·4· · · · · A.· ·No, I'm not.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Do you belong to any organizations that
·6· ·discriminate based on race, religion or gender?
·7· · · · · A.· ·No, I'm not.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·What is the appropriate demeanor for a
·9· ·commissioner?
10· · · · · A.· ·Well, a commissioner should always have
11· ·great conduct.· A commissioner should always -- they
12· ·should never be a part of anything that involved
13· ·third parties which is family -- families, aunts,
14· ·uncles, brothers, sisters -- anything that they
15· ·should not go and speak with anyone else to ask
16· ·about voting, they should not be a part of trading
17· ·anything as far as trading a vote for something
18· ·else, to satisfy something else.· Anything that's
19· ·illegal of that nature they should not be a part of
20· ·anything.· They should always hold up against the
21· ·conduct as...
22· · · · · Q.· ·And would that conduct apply only while
23· ·on the bench or would that apply all the time?
24· · · · · A.· ·That conduct is 24/7.
25· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·anger as a commissioner?
·2· · · · · A.· ·No, there's not.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·What are the businesses and industries
·4· ·regulated by the Public Service Commission?
·5· · · · · A.· ·It's your waste business, it's your
·6· ·energy businesses.· It's your taxi services, it is
·7· ·business that transfer your household goods -·8· ·energy, water, waste, taxi.· I think I'm missing
·9· ·one.
10· · · · · Q.· ·What is the PSC's role in regulating
11· ·telecommunications?
12· · · · · A.· ·Their role is to make sure that all of
13· ·the services are being processed appropriately and
14· ·that the services that the customers receive from
15· ·the telecommunication that it is accurate services.
16· ·And if they are not, they have an opportunity to
17· ·complain to the Public Service Commission
18· ·concerning...
19· · · · · Q.· ·What is South Carolina's current
20· ·generation mix as it relates to electricity?
21· · · · · A.· ·Ask that question again.
22· · · · · Q.· ·What is South Carolina's current
23· ·generation mix as it relates to electricity?· What
24· ·are the sources of energy that the electric
25· ·companies use to provide electricity?
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· · · ·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · A.· ·I'm not sure about that.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you make any contributions to
·3· ·members of the General Assembly within six months of
·4· ·filing your application?
·5· · · · · A.· ·No, I did not.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Have you made any contributions to the
·7· ·members of the General Assembly since filing your
·8· ·application?
·9· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
10· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or received a pledge of
11· ·any legislator prior to this date?
12· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
13· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered an
14· ·additional pledge of support by any legislator
15· ·pending the outcome of this screening?
16· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
17· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
18· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
19· ·behalf before the final and formal screening report
20· ·has been released?
21· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware of any friends or
23· ·colleagues contacting members of the General
24· ·Assembly on your behalf?
25· · · · · A.· ·They have not.
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 48-hour rule
·2· ·which prohibits a candidate from seeking pledges for
·3· ·48 hours after the report has been submitted to the
·4· ·General Assembly?
·5· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Would you serve -- would you plan to
·7· ·serve a full term if elected?
·8· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
·9· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Mr. Chair, I have no
10· ·further questions.
11· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Let's ask a couple of
12· ·questions.
13· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
14· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
15· · · · · Q.· ·In the domestic violence courts, who
16· ·funds that?
17· · · · · A.· ·It is funded by nonprofit agencies and
18· ·donors and all of that.
19· · · · · Q.· ·But you mentioned that you submitted a
20· ·budget.· Is that, like, to a County Council or who
21· ·does the budget go to?
22· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
23· · · · · Q.· ·To?
24· · · · · A.· ·I submit it to County Council, United
25· ·Way -- different agencies to submit a request.
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·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· · · · · Q.· ·So do you receive funds from -- is it in

·2· ·Florence?
·3· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Is it a -- is it an agency of the
·5· ·Florence court system?
·6· · · · · A.· ·Yes.
·7· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.
·8· · · · · A.· ·We contract with them.
·9· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you contract with the Court
10· ·system, so there is public money and private money?
11· · · · · A.· ·Right.
12· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· Mr. Forrester?
13· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
14· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
15· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
16· · · · · Q.· ·Ms. Brockington, can you explain the
17· ·Base Load Review Act?
18· · · · · A.· ·If I stand correctly, because I read a
19· ·lot of knowledge, I think that is when the -- I'll
20· ·pass.· I'm -- I'm getting that mixed up with
21· ·something else.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Well, let's go back to your career.
23· ·What would you say has been your greatest
24· ·accomplishments in your career?
25· · · · · A.· ·My greatest accomplishments are I'm a
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·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·developer.· I have developed numerous entities under

·2· ·my program that would allow judges -- because when I
·3· ·first started this some years ago none of the judges
·4· ·were cooperating with me.· They all wanted to
·5· ·continue to go by the law and the law was you do the
·6· ·crime and they assign the time.· And I was steady
·7· ·meeting with them, trying to show them where this is
·8· ·not working because people are re-offending,
·9· ·re-offending and re-offending and getting out of
10· ·jail, going home, retaliating, doing the same thing
11· ·over and over again.
12· · · · · · · ·So I had to kind of come up and develop
13· ·something and have it on paper and meet with each
14· ·judge and kind of have meetings with them regularly
15· ·and -- until I could show that and have the stats
16· ·and all that to show that this was not a good
17· ·statute that they had, that if they would just
18· ·listen to me and give me the opportunity and I would
19· ·be willing to revise some of the things that I had
20· ·developed to make sure that everybody was getting a
21· ·fair share -- the Court was getting their share and
22· ·that the program of mine was getting my share and
23· ·the offender also was getting treated -- was getting
24· ·treated.
25· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You might expect this position
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·CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·requires a wide range of knowledge over multiple

·2· ·disciplines.· So how would your qualifications make
·3· ·you the best candidate for this job?
·4· · · · · A.· ·Well, when I came to this position I was
·5· ·coming from a whole different arena.· I was leaving
·6· ·working for Lee Correctional Institution and was not
·7· ·doing anything that I'm doing now.· And, as I said
·8· ·earlier, anyone who receives a job you've got to
·9· ·receive training, you've got to receive hands-on,
10· ·you've got to have other persons there with the
11· ·knowledge that were there before you.· And if we all
12· ·work as a team -- and I am a hands-on person, I'm
13· ·not the person -- and I knew this but I had to be
14· ·told this by some of my professors that I'm not the
15· ·paper person -- paper and pencil person that you
16· ·just sit down and take a test because a lot of times
17· ·tests don't tell everything, it doesn't and I've
18· ·proven that, tests don't tell everything of the 20
19· ·people that I hired.
20· · · · · · · ·So gaining knowledge every day when
21· ·you're hands-on, when you're doing this every day
22· ·and you're gaining knowledge.· I mean, I've done
23· ·what I've been doing for numerous years and every
24· ·day I'm learning something.· Every day is a new day.
25· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·2· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Ms. Brockington, how did you find out
·4· ·about this position?· Did you read about it or
·5· ·somebody recruited you to apply or how did that come
·6· ·about?
·7· · · · · A.· ·I read about it.
·8· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· Any other
·9· ·questions?
10· · · · · · · ·(No response.)
11· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We're going
12· ·to ask you to stay and we're going to ask everybody
13· ·else to step out for a minute.· We'll go into
14· ·executive session and we'll be back in public
15· ·session in a few minutes.
16· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
17· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· We're back out of
18· ·executive session and on the record with Clara
19· ·Brockington.
20· · · · · Q.· ·Ms. Brockington, we've reviewed a few
21· ·things in the -- in the executive session but now we
22· ·need to go back on the record and review those
23· ·things.· For each candidate we have reviewed their
24· ·driving record, their SLED record and their credit
25· ·record and we need to now on the record, under oath,
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·ask you some questions.
·2· · · · · · · ·Your driving record shows a total of
·3· ·five accidents and about six violations which
·4· ·suggest that you were not obeying the law on
·5· ·numerous occasions.· Do you have any comment about
·6· ·that?
·7· · · · · A.· ·Were they specifically saying me or it
·8· ·could be me and my daughters that I have on my -·9· · · · · Q.· ·It's talking about you with Driver's
10· ·License Number 4752964 and there was a speeding in
11· ·2015, two accidents in 2013, more speeding in 2011,
12· ·two more accidents in 2010 and '8.· We're using a
13· ·ten-year driver's record and then three speeding
14· ·violations in 2007 and one in 2006.· And generally
15· ·we don't get into that when a person has a speeding
16· ·violation or two, but when somebody shows a pattern
17· ·of being stopped by law enforcement on numerous
18· ·occasions over a decade we do ask you to comment
19· ·about that.
20· · · · · A.· ·Well, I can't recall all of those that
21· ·you've gone so far back on unless I had them in
22· ·front of me to determine that, because I have
23· ·children that are listed on my driver's -- on my
24· ·insurance.· And normally whenever I get my insurance
25· ·information it is not list -- it just lists the
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·violations and what happened.· It does not say whose

·2· ·name beside each one, so I don't have -- I don't get
·3· ·what you have there.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Well, what I'm -- what this is is a
·5· ·record of times in which you were either issued a
·6· ·blue ticket, summons for a violation of the law, or
·7· ·a report of FR-10 accident form showing that an
·8· ·accident you were involved in was reportable.
·9· · · · · A.· ·Was it -- do your reports show
10· ·non-fault?
11· · · · · Q.· ·It doesn't say -12· · · · · A.· ·Because I haven't had any accidents in
13· ·the last ten years that was my fault.· So if it
14· ·shows accidents -15· · · · · Q.· ·You are correct about the four accidents
16· ·show that you were not at fault.
17· · · · · A.· ·Okay.
18· · · · · Q.· ·All right.· But the one, two, three,
19· ·four, five -- six speeding violations, did you just
20· ·pay the fines on those or did you go to court?
21· · · · · A.· ·I'm not sure because you were going back
22· ·so far -- so many years.· I know the last one, one
23· ·of my judges that I am affiliated with in the Lake
24· ·City magistrate's court, I do remember going before
25· ·her.· But as far as any one further than that,
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·that's the last one I remember is the Lake City.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·All right.· I'm going to move on to
·3· ·another question.· The question to you was have you,
·4· ·to your knowledge, ever been under investigation for
·5· ·possible violation of the criminal statute, you
·6· ·answered no.· Your SLED report shows that you have a
·7· ·charge against you for a fraudulent check.
·8· · · · · A.· ·Yes.· For the record, as we talked
·9· ·earlier, I discussed that with Judge White, which is
10· ·one of the judges I work with in the courtroom.· The
11· ·monies were paid to Piggly Wiggly grocery store and
12· ·apparently they did not do their paperwork
13· ·correctly.· Whomever in customer service did not do
14· ·their paperwork correctly and it was shown as a
15· ·fraudulent check and it was not.· And I had Judge
16· ·White, whenever I received that, to contact Piggly
17· ·Wiggly and Piggly Wiggly apologized to me for
18· ·sending that in and processing it as a fraudulent
19· ·check when the monies were paid to Piggly Wiggly
20· ·instead of whatever agency that sent the letter to
21· ·me.
22· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware that the public records of
23· ·Florence County show that the charge against you
24· ·resulted in a trial in which you were found guilty?
25· · · · · A.· ·I never went to trial on anything like
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·that.
·2· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Let me move on to another
·3· ·question in which you were asked.· You were asked if
·4· ·there had been -- ever been a tax lien or other
·5· ·collection proceeding against you and our records
·6· ·show that, in fact, you have been subject to a tax
·7· ·lien, you did not report that.· What is your
·8· ·explanation?
·9· · · · · A.· ·Is that the tax lien on my father's
10· ·property that you're talking about?
11· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· No, ma'am, it's not.
12· ·That's not what the records show for the current
13· ·balance.· This is the 2014.
14· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· Is that the one where
15· ·you showed me the name is Carlar -- Carlar Brockton
16· ·(phonetic)?· Is that the one that we're talking
17· ·about?
18· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· No, ma'am.
19· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
20· · · · · Q.· ·We're talking about -- what we're trying
21· ·to clarify is we asked you specific questions and
22· ·you signed as to those questions and you certified
23· ·that the answers to the questions were true and
24· ·correct.· And there is apparently a tax lien that
25· ·was out there and you did not report it, and the
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·question is why?
·2· · · · · A.· ·And I'm trying to clarify now.· Is that
·3· ·the one where I stated that my brothers paid the tax
·4· ·lien, the taxes on the homestead property?· Because
·5· ·I have nothing to do with that, I turned all of that
·6· ·over to them, and I'm not aware of when they pay and
·7· ·when they do not pay.· But I will follow up with
·8· ·them and -- I haven't paid property taxes on that
·9· ·property since the death of my father.
10· · · · · Q.· ·All right.· Finally the question was
11· ·have you ever been sued, and the SLED report comes
12· ·back -- the SLED report came back with the
13· ·following:· Chase Manhattan Bank versus Clara
14· ·Brockington, First Federal Bank versus Clara
15· ·Brockington, First Federal Bank versus Clara
16· ·Brockington, South Carolina Housing Authority versus
17· ·Clara Brockington, Girl Scouts Council of the Pee
18· ·Dee versus Clara Brockington, State of South
19· ·Carolina versus C.L. Brockington, Betty Davis versus
20· ·Clara Brockington.· There's a judgment from Pages
21· ·Auto Repair, Jacobs Plumbing versus Clara
22· ·Brockington -- two different suits, one in
23· ·Magistrate's Court and one in Common Pleas, and then
24· ·a restraining order Anita Harrison versus Clara
25· ·Brockington.
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· · · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· · · · · · · ·And the question is, Ms. Brockington,
·2· ·was have you ever been sued and you answered no.
·3· ·And we have no fewer than one, two, three, four,
·4· ·five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten -- 11 instances
·5· ·in which you were named a defendant in a legal
·6· ·action and, yet, your answer was that you have not
·7· ·been sued.· Why did you answer that question no?
·8· · · · · A.· ·And my answer still remains no.· As we
·9· ·spoke and talked extensively in session, in closed
10· ·session, my answers to you remains no.· All of those
11· ·names that you named, I informed you earlier that
12· ·all of the Chase Bank, this, that, the other and all
13· ·those names, those are housing people most of them.
14· ·My husband takes care of all the housing.· I have
15· ·never been sued.· If you pull up his record I'm
16· ·quite sure all of that information would be on his
17· ·record also.· But I don't pay the bills at my house,
18· ·he pays the bills.· And whatever is going on with
19· ·housing and all that, then he is responsible for all
20· ·of the housing information because I don't pay -- no
21· ·bills at home.· He does that.
22· · · · · Q.· ·All right.· So in short, then, and to
23· ·wrap this up, there were three questions asked you.
24· ·One about whether you've been sued, one about
25· ·whether you had a tax lien, one about you never had
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·1· ·a criminal violation.· You answered no to all of
·2· ·those and the SLED report shows different
·3· ·information, and we'll enter the SLED report into
·4· ·the record and let it speak for itself.· Is that
·5· ·fair?
·6· · · · · A.· ·That's fair enough because I -- I am
·7· ·aware and I know none of that is correct.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Do you know whether the tax lien is
·9· ·still outstanding or whether that's been paid?
10· · · · · A.· ·I do not know.· I have not spoken with
11· ·my brothers since I've been in Columbia.· I have a
12· ·daughter going in the hospital tomorrow and my mind
13· ·has been on praying for her that she has a good
14· ·speedy recovery, because it is a major surgery.
15· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· Thank you for
16· ·offering to serve in this capacity and we will
17· ·report these findings out to the full committee and
18· ·they will take the appropriate action.
19· · · · · · · ·MS. BROCKINGTON:· Thank you so much.
20· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· And we've got our
21· ·final person coming up, G. O'Neal Hamilton, if we
22· ·can get Mr. Hamilton here.
23· · · · · · · ·(Off the record.)
24· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· We're moving
25· ·back on the record.· On the record for screening the
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·1· ·Public Service Commission District 7, our final
·2· ·candidate is Commissioner G. O'Neal Hamilton.
·3· · · · · · · ·Commissioner Hamilton, good afternoon.
·4· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HAMILTON:· Good afternoon,
·5· ·sir, Mr. Chairman, and Ms. Anderson and gentlemen.
·6· ·Happy to be here.
·7· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Glad to have you and
·8· ·we'll ask that the reporter swear you in.
·9· · · · · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Commissioner,
10· ·please raise your right hand.
11· · · · · · · · · · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON
12· ·being first duly sworn, testified as follows:
13· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Good afternoon.· I'm
14· ·going to provide a very brief summary of
15· ·Mr. Hamilton's educational and experience
16· ·background.
17· · · · · · · ·Mr. Hamilton graduated from North
18· ·Greenville Junior College with an associate's degree
19· ·in business administration.· Upon graduation he
20· ·became an agency manager for the life insurance
21· ·company where he worked till 1957, and then he
22· ·worked as an agency manager for Farm Bureau where he
23· ·worked until his retirement in 2001.· He has served
24· ·on the Public Service Commission since 2004.
25· · · · · · · ·Before serving on the Commission he had
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·1· ·served on the Bennettsville City Council from 1978
·2· ·to 1990.· He also previously served on the South
·3· ·Carolina Highway Commission and the Marlboro County
·4· ·Council.· He also served with various community
·5· ·organizations and is also serving on a number of
·6· ·neighboring committees as well.
·7· · · · · · · ·I will request that Mr. Hamilton's
·8· ·Personal Data Questionnaire be entered into the
·9· ·record with any confidential information such as
10· ·Social Security number and financial information
11· ·being redacted.· In addition, I would ask that his
12· ·annual review by the Public Utilities Review
13· ·Committee since his last screening be entered into
14· ·the record.
15· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 13, Personal Data Questionnaire
16· · · · · · · ·for G. O'Neal Hamilton, was marked for
17· · · · · · · ·identification.)
18· · · · · · · ·(EXH. 14, Performance Evaluation for G.
19· · · · · · · ·O'Neal Hamilton, was marked for
20· · · · · · · ·identification.)
21· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· As part of our background
22· ·investigation of Mr. Hamilton, we obtained a credit
23· ·check, driver's license and SLED check.· For the
24· ·record, I would like to state that the credit check,
25· ·driver's license and SLED check revealed no negative
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·information for Mr. Hamilton that needs to be
·2· ·brought to the attention of the Subcommittee.
·3· · · · · · · ·Before we begin questioning, do you have
·4· ·a brief statement that you would like to make?
·5· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HAMILTON:· I would just
·6· ·like to thank you for having me here today and I
·7· ·would like very much to -- before I leave here to
·8· ·convince you that I need to stay for four more years
·9· ·to finish the work that I've started.
10· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
11· ·BY MS. ANDERSON:
12· · · · · Q.· ·Please state your name and home address
13· ·for the record.
14· · · · · A.· ·G. O'Neal Hamilton, 706 Lakeshore Drive,
15· ·Bennettsville, South Carolina 29512.
16· · · · · Q.· ·Are you a registered voter?
17· · · · · A.· ·Yes, ma'am.
18· · · · · Q.· ·In which Congressional District are you
19· ·registered?
20· · · · · A.· ·7th.
21· · · · · Q.· ·Please describe an ordinary workday for
22· ·you.
23· · · · · A.· ·Well, we usually start on Monday.

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24· ·come from Bennettsville to Columbia normally on
25· ·Monday morning.· And on Monday we kind of get
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·organized for what we've got in front of us for the
·2· ·week.· Usually on Tuesday we have -- have hearings,
·3· ·normally it's transportation hearings, ex parte
·4· ·briefings, et cetera.· We always have the business
·5· ·meeting on Wednesday and on Tuesday we have hearings
·6· ·also.· Usually I go home either Thursday night or
·7· ·Friday.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·What type of contact do you have with
·9· ·the Commission staff?
10· · · · · A.· ·Well, it's very open and daily kind of
11· ·tact -- contact with the staff.· We've got an
12· ·excellent staff and we work well together.· The
13· ·communication is ongoing.· One thing that we've -14· ·that I've always said is that once you get with the
15· ·State I didn't realize it but when they hand you
16· ·that cell phone and iPad you don't ever get away
17· ·from the staff.· It's constant.
18· · · · · Q.· ·How do you prepare for a hearing?
19· · · · · A.· ·Well, we have a good bit of testimony
20· ·that we have to study and read.· We have to do
21· ·background information that we might want to work
22· ·on.· We have the availability of the staff to help
23· ·us at any time we need it on any research that
24· ·they're more able to do it than we are at times.
25· ·And we -- then we have normal briefings, as we
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·discussed in the past.· To make the adequate use of
·2· ·the staff we have three commissioners that meet on a
·3· ·rotating basis decided by the Chair that the staff
·4· ·briefs at one time on the information that they've
·5· ·gathered for the hearing.
·6· · · · · Q.· ·Your annual review reports by the Public
·7· ·Utilities Review Committee have been entered into
·8· ·the record.· Is there any additional information
·9· ·that you'd like to provide regarding your experience
10· ·or expertise that is not already covered in your PDQ
11· ·or annual reviews in the following areas -- energy,
12· ·telecommunications, consumer protection and
13· ·advocacy, water and wastewater, finance, economics,
14· ·statistics, accounting, engineering or law?
15· · · · · A.· ·I believe the annual report will stand
16· ·for itself.
17· · · · · Q.· ·If you were approached by someone
18· ·wanting to discuss a matter that is or may become an
19· ·issue in a proceeding, how would you handle the
20· ·situation?
21· · · · · A.· ·Well, I wouldn't do it.· The first thing
22· ·if I couldn't stop it -- it's a long process that
23· ·you have to go through that we have to -- if
24· ·something did happen inadvertently, you would have
25· ·to notify all the parties immediately of what had
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·transpired and give them an opportunity to answer.
·2· ·Thank God, it has never happened to me and I think
·3· ·with -- with my character and ethics I don't think
·4· ·it ever will.
·5· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the two advisory
·6· ·opinions issued by the Review Committee dealing with
·7· ·attendance at legislative receptions as well as
·8· ·legislative caucus meetings?
·9· · · · · A.· ·Yes, ma'am.· I'm very appreciative of
10· ·that.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Have you attended any legislative
12· ·receptions and/or legislative caucus meetings?
13· · · · · A.· ·No, I have not.
14· · · · · Q.· ·What is the appropriate demeanor for a
15· ·Commissioner?
16· · · · · A.· ·Well, I think the Commission should
17· ·always appear -- give the appearance a priority and
18· ·they should protect the Commission in every way
19· ·possible.· Their ethics should be without question
20· ·at any time.· And I think the people that appear
21· ·before us would understand that -- in fact, we've
22· ·had several.· We had a compliment this past week
23· ·from a person that appeared before the Committee
24· ·that said that our Committee -- our Commission was
25· ·probably as professional as any court he had ever
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·worked in.· And I thought that was a high
·2· ·compliment.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·Does that type of demeanor apply while
·4· ·you're on the bench -- just while you're on the
·5· ·bench or 24/7?
·6· · · · · A.· ·You have to live it.· You have to live
·7· ·it.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Is there ever a role for sternness or
·9· ·anger by a commissioner?
10· · · · · A.· ·Sternness -- I think sometimes if you
11· ·have -- when I was Chair and you had a commissioner,
12· ·someone who got mad you had to call them down.

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13· ·don't think that's sternness, but to be able to lose
14· ·your temper and get mad there's never a time for
15· ·that.
16· · · · · Q.· ·Can you briefly describe three topics
17· ·that are either pending before the Commission or
18· ·that have come you -- come before you for
19· ·consideration as a commissioner?· Very general
20· ·topics.
21· · · · · A.· ·Very general.· I think probably the big
22· ·thing that's facing all of us, not only in South
23· ·Carolina and our companies but nationally is the
24· ·Clean Power Plan.· And, of course, it's in limbo
25· ·now, it's in court and we don't know what's going to
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·1· ·happen and it's going to happen.· But I think our
·2· ·com -- our companies are trying to prepare as best
·3· ·they can for it, the Commission is trying to ramp up
·4· ·and be ready to understand what it is.
·5· · · · · · · ·At the last NARUC convention I went to
·6· ·three different topics on the Clean Power Plan and
·7· ·you wouldn't know from one to the other that you
·8· ·were in the same thing, so it's a lot of opinions
·9· ·and a lot of thoughts.
10· · · · · · · ·I think our ash ponds are something
11· ·that -- that we have to be concerned about.· We've
12· ·had newspaper articles about where they're going to
13· ·locate them and how they're going to do it and
14· ·transportation.· I think our companies are
15· ·consistently doing everything possible to try to
16· ·right this problem that's been created over 100
17· ·years, and I think they're working to that end and
18· ·hopefully we can see that completed sooner rather
19· ·than later.
20· · · · · · · ·And one other problem that -- that I see
21· ·as an individual with my background is gas, is the
22· ·fact that I don't see new distribution lines being
23· ·brought in to our state or new pipelines.· And we're
24· ·changing every day coal plants to electric, from gas
25· ·to -- use gas as a generator.· And I just hope and
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· ·pray that everyone is working on this situation so
·2· ·we won't run up with a lack of adequate supply of
·3· ·gas.· I know in my past career in municipal
·4· ·government we did have curtailments back years ago
·5· ·on gas and some folks, you know, didn't have heat
·6· ·they needed.· And so I think -- I hope all of our
·7· ·companies -- whatever ex parte or hearing that we
·8· ·have I'm bringing this point up and I hope they're
·9· ·paying attention to it.
10· · · · · Q.· ·What is the purpose of the Base Load
11· ·Review Act?
12· · · · · A.· ·Base Load Review Act was designed as a
13· ·way to help the companies in our state develop base
14· ·load generation and it has worked.· We're seeing
15· ·that work with our nuclear plants.· The plants have
16· ·to be 3 -- 350 kw or more and at least 70 percent
17· ·capacity name plate for base load.· And did you want
18· ·me to be brief or do you want me to move on?
19· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Brief will be fine.
20· · · · · · · ·COMMISSIONER HAMILTON:· I think brief -21· ·I think after our last hour brief is a good word.
22· ·BY MS. ANDERSON:
23· · · · · Q.· ·Is there a way that the public's voice
24· ·could be heard during procedures prior to the Base
25· ·Load Review Act?
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY MS. ANDERSON
·1· · · · · A.· ·We do hear the public.· The public has
·2· ·never been shut up -- or shut off I think is the
·3· ·better term I'll use here, because we have night
·4· ·hearings and we always make opportunities for the
·5· ·public to be heard.· I don't think this Commission
·6· ·will be criticized for the lack of the transparency
·7· ·and seeing that the public has an opportunity.
·8· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or received the pledge
·9· ·of any legislator prior to this date?
10· · · · · A.· ·No, ma'am.
11· · · · · Q.· ·Have you sought or been offered a
12· ·conditional pledge of support by any legislator
13· ·pending the outcome of your screening?
14· · · · · A.· ·No, ma'am.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Have you asked any third parties to
16· ·contact members of the General Assembly on your
17· ·behalf before the final and formal screening report
18· ·has been released?
19· · · · · A.· ·No, ma'am.
20· · · · · Q.· ·Are you aware of any friends or
21· ·colleagues contacting members of the General
22· ·Assembly on your behalf?
23· · · · · A.· ·I would hope not.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 48-hour rule
25· ·which prohibits a candidate from seeking pledges
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· · · · ·G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY SENATOR HUTTO
·1· ·until 48 hours after the report is submitted to the
·2· ·General Assembly?
·3· · · · · A.· ·Yes, ma'am.
·4· · · · · Q.· ·Do you plan to serve a full term if
·5· ·reelected?
·6· · · · · A.· ·I certainly do.
·7· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Thank you.· I have no
·8· ·further questions, Mr. Chair.
·9· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
10· ·BY SENATOR HUTTO:
11· · · · · Q.· ·Are you the longest serving
12· ·commissioner?
13· · · · · A.· ·I believe we -- Butch and Liv and
14· ·myself.
15· · · · · Q.· ·Y'all came on at the same time?
16· · · · · A.· ·Yes, sir.· David Wright was the one that
17· ·fell out.
18· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And how would you describe the
19· ·working of the Commission?· Does it work smoothly?
20· · · · · A.· ·Yes, it does.· I think every
21· ·Commission -- Commissioner has, since 175 took
22· ·effect, and that we kind of -- three of us now were
23· ·a part of the original commission that set it up.
24· ·And each new commissioner that comes on, we take
25· ·time to bring them up to speed, that -- the
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· · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·perception of the commission is as important as the

·2· ·action of the commission.
·3· · · · · Q.· ·And you mentioned night hearings.· How
·4· ·do y'all decide when you will go away from your home
·5· ·office and hold a hearing in a community and at
·6· ·night?
·7· · · · · A.· ·When I first became a commissioner the
·8· ·legislature -- legislator in a certain area normally
·9· ·asked for a night hearing and sometimes that happens
10· ·now.· But since we have a history of having night
11· ·hearings, we have more and more individuals that
12· ·request night hearings.· And we try to pick an area
13· ·that would be convenient for as many as possible to
14· ·attend.
15· · · · · Q.· ·So you make an effort to make sure that
16· ·the public does have input into your decisions?
17· · · · · A.· ·Yeah.· The company is required to notify
18· ·the public.
19· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Okay.· Mr. Forrester?
20· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
21· ·BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:
22· · · · · Q.· ·Mr. Hamilton.
23· · · · · A.· ·Yes, sir.
24· · · · · Q.· ·Over your years of service what would
25· ·you say was your greatest accomplishment?
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· · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· · · · · A.· ·Well, you know, you kind of hate to brag

·2· ·on yourself.· But as what I've been able to
·3· ·accomplish because this committee allowed me to do
·4· ·it, I think I have a record of service that -- that
·5· ·I can be proud of.· I've served as chairman of one
·6· ·of the three major committees of NARUC, which is the
·7· ·gas committee -- gas, electric, telecom are the
·8· ·three major committees.· And because of that I
·9· ·served a term on the National Petroleum Council, and
10· ·this -- this was, I think, a great honor for South
11· ·Carolina to have someone represent them on the
12· ·National Petroleum Council.· And it put me in
13· ·contact with the Secretary of Energy and with key
14· ·people in the Department of Energy that I still have
15· ·access to.
16· · · · · · · ·And I served as chairman of the
17· ·Commission twice, I'm proud of that, and it's a
18· ·continuous thing that we continue to try to grow day
19· ·by day.
20· · · · · Q.· ·I heard you say earlier that you got
21· ·some unfinished business.· What do you aim to
22· ·accomplish?
23· · · · · A.· ·Well, we've got two nuclear plants that
24· ·should be completed in the next four years.· And
25· ·this is important to South Carolina.· I think the
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· · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·report that we just received that ORS has conducted

·2· ·that showed that the legislation did the right thing
·3· ·in passing the Base Load Review Act, that it will
·4· ·save a billion dollars during the construction of
·5· ·the plant and $4 billion in the life of the plant
·6· ·which is expected to be at least 60 years.· So
·7· ·that's one thing.
·8· · · · · · · ·And, of course, another thing is I -- we
·9· ·have been talking about distributive generation for
10· ·a long time, and Act 236 now is law.· And I would
11· ·like to be able to be a part of helping it raise and
12· ·grow as it should be in the right way.
13· · · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And lastly, you know, you've seen
14· ·a lot happen here but there's other folks running
15· ·for this position.· So what makes you the best
16· ·qualified for this position?
17· · · · · A.· ·Well, I think my experience and
18· ·background -- and I don't think anyone would have
19· ·any question about me doing the right thing.

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20· ·think I know how to balance the needs of the right
21· ·player, with that of the company, both of them have
22· ·to be recognized.· I think I understand that.

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23· ·understand the prudence test.· I understand known
24· ·and measurable and use and useful.· And I think
25· ·these things are something that -- that you aren't
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· · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·going to walk in that door and be able to accomplish

·2· ·what I could do.· I think I'm an asset worth
·3· ·keeping.
·4· · · · · · · ·REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER:· Thank you.
·5· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Thank you.· We're going
·6· ·to ask you to continue to be seated.· We'll ask
·7· ·everybody else to -- to leave for a minute.· We'll
·8· ·go into executive session as we've done after the
·9· ·screening of each candidate.
10· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
11· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We're going in open
12· ·session and now we're going back into executive
13· ·session again.· So if y'all can let everybody know
14· ·we did that, please.
15· · · · · · · ·(Executive session.)
16· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· All right.· Welcome
17· ·back.· Now we're standing up so you know we're
18· ·getting ready -19· · · · · · · ·AUDIENCE MEMBER:· That's right.
20· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· We are back in open
21· ·session from the screening of -- for Public Service
22· ·Commission.· Our work today is concluded and what
23· ·will happen is this transcript will be made
24· ·available on-line and to the full committee.· The
25· ·full committee will meet sometime in May,
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· · G. O'NEAL HAMILTON - EX. BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·1· ·tentatively May 3rd, but that's just tentative right

·2· ·now.· The full committee will consider the
·3· ·transcript, the personal data information and -·4· ·that we've all made recommendations to -- will be
·5· ·making recommendations to the full committee.
·6· · · · · · · ·But it will be up to the full committee
·7· ·as to what the final outcome on which candidates get
·8· ·screened forward for consideration by the General
·9· ·Assembly.· But just so you know, the process -- even
10· ·if we do that in early May and then give the
11· ·candidates a couple of weeks to let their status be
12· ·known because they can't contact anybody till 48
13· ·hours after the release of the report, so in
14· ·fairness we have to give them a couple of weeks to
15· ·share their thoughts with the General Assembly.· So
16· ·it looks like -17· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· The election is May 25th.
18· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· May 25th.
19· · · · · · · ·MS. ANDERSON:· Tentative date.
20· · · · · · · ·SENATOR HUTTO:· Tentative date.· Okay.
21· ·Thank y'all.· No action was taken in any of the -22· ·any of the executive sessions, including the last
23· ·one, and everybody have a great day.· See y'all
24· ·tomorrow.· Appreciate it.
25· · · · · · · ·(The preceding was concluded at 3:34
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·5· ·Carolina at Large, do hereby certify that the
·6· ·foregoing transcript is a true, accurate, and
·7· ·complete record.
·8· · · · · · · ·I further certify that I am neither
·9· ·related to nor counsel for any party to the cause
10· ·pending or interested in the events thereof.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X
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·3· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page· · ·Line
·4· · JOHN E. "BUTCH" HOWARD· · · · · ·7· · · · 10
·5· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 9· · · · 3
·6· · BY MR. GOLDEN
·7· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 23· · · ·14
·8· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
·9· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 24· · · ·11
10· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
11· · CAROLYN LEONE (CAROLEE)· · · · · 27· · · ·19
12· · WILLIAMS
13· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 32· · · ·18
14· · BY MS. ANDERSON
15· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 41· · · ·16
16· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
17· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 43· · · ·23
18· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
19· · COMER H. "RANDY" RANDALL, III· · 46· · · ·10
20· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 48· · · ·20
21· · BY MR. GOLDEN
22· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 55· · · ·23
23· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
24· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 57· · · ·23
25· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
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·1· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 61· · · ·5
·2· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
·3· · WILLIAM J. HAGNER· · · · · · · · 63· · · ·17
·4· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 66· · · ·4
·5· · BY MR. GOLDEN
·6· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 73· · · ·20
·7· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
·8· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 75· · · ·4
·9· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
10· · SWAIN EDGAR WHITFIELD· · · · · · 77· · · ·19
11· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 81· · · ·10
12· · BY MS. ANDERSON
13· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 91· · · ·21
14· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
15· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 94· · · ·14
16· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
17· · CLARA LEWIS BROCKINGTON· · · · · 98· · · ·17
18· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 102· · · 2
19· · BY MS. ANDERSON
20· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 112· · · 13
21· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
22· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 113· · · 14
23· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
24· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 116· · · 1
25· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
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·2· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 126· · · 10
·3· · BY MS. ANDERSON
·4· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 134· · · 9
·5· · BY SENATOR HUTTO
·6· · EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · 135· · · 20
·7· · BY REPRESENTATIVE FORRESTER
·8· · CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER· · · · · 141· · · 1
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19· · Questionnaire for John E.
20· · Howard
21· · EXH. 2, Performance Evaluation· ·8· · · · 10
22· · for John E. "Butch" Howard
23· · EXH. 3, Personal Data· · · · · · 29· · · ·2
24· · Questionnaire for Carolyn
25· · Leone (Carolee) Williams
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·1· · EXH. 4, Personal Data· · · · · · 47· · · ·25
·2· · Questionnaire for Comer H.
·3· · "Randy" Randall, II
·4· · EXH. 5, Performance Evaluation· ·48· · · ·3
·5· · for Comer H. "Randy" Randall,
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·7· · EXH. 7, Personal Data· · · · · · 65· · · ·6
·8· · Questionnaire for William J.
·9· · Hagner
10· · EXH. 8, Personal Data· · · · · · 79· · · ·8
11· · Questionnaire for Swain Edgar
12· · Whitfield
13· · EXH. 9, Performance Evaluation· ·79· · · ·11
14· · for Swain Edgar Whitfield
15· · EXH. 11, Personal Data· · · · · ·100· · · 1
16· · Questionnaire for Clara Lewis
17· · Brockington
18· · EXH. 12, Clara Brockington· · · ·100· · · 4
19· · SLED Report
20· · EXH. 13, Personal Data· · · · · ·125· · · 15
21· · Questionnaire for G. O'Neal
22· · Hamilton
23· · EXH. 14, Performance· · · · · · ·125· · · 18
24· · Evaluation for G. O'Neal
25· · Hamilton
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83:18 134:21
1901
66:8
1957
124:21
1966
64:5
1970
64:7
1974
64:14
1975
46:21
1978
125:1
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1987
78:17
1988
64:10
1990
64:11,19 78:15
99:13,15 125:2
1991
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1992
28:10
1993
47:13
1995
78:23 99:11
1996
99:10
1999
78:24 99:10
1:15
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1:30
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2
2
8:10 53:10 94:24
102:25
20
25:10 47:6 61:19
115:18
2001
124:23
2003
47:11,13 99:9
2004
7:16,24 47:3
124:24
2006
47:6 78:22 117:14
2007
117:14
2008
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2010
64:22 117:12
2011
47:9 117:11
2012
47:9
2013
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117:11

2014
47:3 120:13
2015
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21
102:17
22
80:18 95:17
236
61:11,17 89:4
137:10
24/7
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240
96:11
25
25:10 70:10
27
80:21
29
87:22
29180
81:15
29407
32:23
29461
9:8
29502
102:10
29506
102:8
29512
126:15

35
80:19
350
54:2 89:16 132:16
3rd
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4
4
47:25
400
18:8
4752964
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48
4:20 23:7 41:8
56:15 73:13 91:13
112:3 134:1
48-hour
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73:11 91:11 112:1
133:24
5
5
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77:15
51
87:1
52
95:20
55
70:10

3
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3
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94:24 132:16
30
44:7 57:12,18
30-4-70
5:18
30-year
17:18
306
48:24
32
87:1
3232
102:9
3301
102:7

60
15:1 137:6
60,000
44:14
600
15:2
7
7
3:6 6:11 32:22
65:6 98:11 101:17
124:1
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126:14
750
87:13
7th
126:20
8
8
79:8 117:12
9
9
79:11
90
62:17 78:17
91
78:16
95
62:17 99:13
96
99:11
9:30
6:6,20
A
abide
13:5
ability
3:18 31:22 36:7
76:9
abreast
74:15 106:25
abso
42:23
Absolutely
41:2,10 55:19
absorb
42:16
accept
23:21
access
30:20 88:19
136:15
accessible
104:14
accident
17:20 118:7,8
accidents
117:3,11,12
118:12,14,15

accomplish
136:3,22 138:1
accomplishment
24:14 44:1,23
135:25
accomplishments
59:4,14 75:24
94:18,21 113:24,
25
accounting
3:16 34:9 69:1
82:18 83:6 103:25
104:15,16,19
105:2 128:14
accurate
14:24 65:1 110:15
act
13:19,22,23 18:13,
18,22,24,25 19:16,
17,18 20:11,15,19
24:22 30:16,17
42:20 43:3 53:4,
12,13 54:5 59:9
61:11,17 83:18
89:4,7,8,13 90:1,
10,12 113:17
132:11,12,25
137:3,10
action
26:15,17 27:4 63:8
122:6 123:18
135:2
actions
85:6
actual
77:3 100:23
add
67:10 83:11
103:18
addition
79:4 125:11
additional
10:23 20:3 64:8
83:1 111:14 128:8
address
9:6,7 32:21 48:22
63:21 66:6 81:12
102:4,7 126:12
addressed
81:4
addressing
69:17
adequate
128:1 132:2
administration
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adoption
4:17
advance
90:3
advanced
3:11
advisers
82:18
advisory
11:24 36:9,16 51:3
69:16 78:12 84:4
107:3,12 129:5
advocacy
3:14 34:8,11,13
103:23 104:20,24
105:1 128:13
advocate
103:3,4
AFDC
90:2
affiliated
37:20 71:9 109:1
118:23
affordable
89:22 92:20
afforded
95:23 97:9,12
afternoon
9:23,25 10:3
98:13,14 124:3,4,
13
age
81:24
agencies
92:18 112:17,25
agency
47:3 104:5 113:4
119:20 124:20,22
agenda
82:4
agreement
61:23
agrees
62:12
ahead
45:25 98:5
aim
136:21
aligned
34:14
allowable
71:5
allowed
12:10 37:7,12

136:3
allowing
90:1
amend
64:25
amendments
8:4 47:14
America
19:14 87:17
American
28:14,15 47:7 60:9
74:7
and/or
65:14 84:10
129:12
Anderson
27:23 28:1,23 29:5
32:19 41:14 78:2
79:14,24 81:11
86:14 91:19 92:11
98:25 99:22 100:6,
22 101:2,6 102:3
112:9 120:11,18
124:5,13 125:21
126:11 132:22
134:7
anger
13:8 38:16,17
52:11,15 72:9,10,
11 85:20,21,24
110:1 130:9
angry
13:12,13
Anita
121:24
annexations
35:23
annexed
35:22 36:3
anniversary
17:18
annual
10:21 11:1 19:19,
20 47:21 74:5 79:5
82:23 83:3 125:12
128:6,11,15
answers
120:23 122:10
anticipate
4:18 42:13 44:4
anymore
40:11
AP1000S
87:20,21

APGA
74:5,6
apologized
119:17
APPA
58:13
apparently
119:12 120:24
appeal
52:25
appearance
85:8,9,11,18
129:17
appeared
129:23
appears
84:24
applicable
4:6
applicants
27:7
application
28:21 38:23 39:2
72:23 73:1 99:20
111:4,8
applications
3:24
applied
101:16
applies
85:4 89:16
apply
38:10,11 52:7
65:20 85:2 89:13
109:22,23 116:5
130:3
applying
29:24
appreciative
30:6 129:9
approach
38:6
approached
11:13 36:19 50:14
70:14 83:12,19
84:3 107:15
108:12 128:17
appropriately
110:13
approved
87:14 104:18
area
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12
areas
3:13 11:1 34:5,24
35:14,16 50:10
57:2 88:5 103:16,
21 128:11
arena
115:5
arguing
22:6
Arkansas
64:4
article
17:17 25:15
articles
131:12
arts
28:5 78:7
ash
96:20 131:10
aspects
44:18
assault
100:13
Assembly
4:19 12:11 13:23
18:14 22:23 23:3
38:22 39:1,12 41:9
53:7 55:6,11 72:22
91:3,9,14 111:3,7,
18,24 112:4
133:16,22 134:2
asset
138:2
assign
114:6
assistant
64:16
associate's
99:3 124:18
Association
28:14 34:1 47:7
74:7
assume
36:18 70:13,19
107:14
assurance
20:12
assure
3:21 36:7
attempted
55:10 100:13
attempting
23:2

attempts
27:11
attend
100:16,17 107:7
135:14
attendance
4:14 12:1 36:11
51:4 69:17 84:6
107:5 129:7
attended
12:6 33:9 36:14
51:8 67:21,23
69:21 84:9 91:24
92:5 105:15,18
107:10 129:11
attending
12:22 32:9
attention
8:19 29:11 38:20
48:11 65:15 67:14
79:20 126:2 132:9
attentive
72:5
attitude
52:4,5
attorneys
82:17 101:24
105:13
audience
3:3 6:18 27:9
138:19
August
64:13
aunts
109:13
authority
47:11 71:12 75:21
80:19 121:16
Auto
121:21
availability
73:23 127:22
average
22:4
aware
23:1,4 32:14 37:16
41:5,6 55:9 71:6
73:15 91:7 108:22
111:22 119:22
121:6 123:7
133:20
awful
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B
baccalaureate
3:10
bachelor
28:5 46:21 78:6
bachelor's
64:6 99:5
back
6:8,19,24 16:1,9,
17,18 18:21 20:1,
12 23:17 24:22
26:20 41:18,25
44:6 46:3 63:4,9
77:10,12 87:1 94:4
97:12,14,15,19,24
98:4,7 113:22
116:14,17,22
117:21 118:21
121:12 123:25
132:4 138:12,17,
20
background
3:11,25 7:14 8:13
19:3 28:3 29:5
46:19 48:6 60:17
65:9 66:18 67:7
68:10,13 78:5
79:14 99:2 101:7,
19 124:16 125:21
127:21 131:21
137:18
backgrounds
30:4
bad
17:23
balance
44:17 54:21 61:12
120:13 137:20
Bank
121:13,14,15
122:12
base
13:19,22,24 16:19
20:11,15,19,23
24:22 25:6 42:19
43:3 53:3,11,13,
14,15,23 54:4
56:13 62:15 89:6,
8,12,25 90:9,11
94:23 113:17
132:10,12,13,17,
24 137:3
based
14:1 19:16,17
37:25 42:19 71:24
76:13 109:6

basic
30:25
basically
9:22 13:11 14:1
16:5 18:9 25:10
50:7 53:13,16
basis
93:8 103:7 128:3
basket
16:15
began
28:7 37:6 64:3,12
begin
6:5 7:1 8:21 48:13
65:16 79:21
101:13 126:3
beginning
29:12 62:1
behalf
22:24 23:3 39:13
55:7,13 73:8 91:4,
9 111:19,24
133:17,22
belong
37:24 58:23 71:23
109:5
bench
38:11 85:2 109:23
130:4,5
beneficial
97:13
benefit
97:1
Bennett
102:7
Bennettsville
125:1 126:15,24
Berkeley
12:13 35:1
Betty
121:19
Beverly
32:22
bias
85:9,18
bid
35:16
bidirectional
62:22
big
15:4,20,25 19:6
34:2 52:21 54:9
57:12,15 58:17
86:13 87:12,14,15
88:15,21 130:21

biggest
18:9 43:13 52:18
74:13,14 76:11
89:19
billion
90:5 137:4,5
bills
43:2 122:17,18,21
Billy
63:12
binder
8:2
biomass
67:4 68:21 70:12
bit
10:20 25:9 42:12,
25 50:2,12 60:6
67:17 68:5,9,10
77:1 94:4 95:10
106:17 127:19
blank
102:16
blatant
70:25
blue
118:6
board
7:24 47:3,8 71:12
75:20 77:2 78:12,
22
boards
37:21 71:10 109:2
Boeing
44:21
book
58:8
bought
58:8
bound
71:7
Bowater
64:19
Box
102:9
brag
136:1
brand
87:12
break
6:7,10 97:20,23
briefed
49:22
briefing
56:25 82:4 91:25

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92:4,5,7 93:24
briefings
127:4,25
briefly
13:14 45:25
130:16
briefs
128:4
bring
17:23 42:5 60:2
88:20 134:25
bringing
36:1 132:8
brings
17:20 80:12
broadened
92:22
broader
43:2
Brockington
98:12,14,17,19
99:3,8,18,21
100:2,4,6,11,25
101:5,7,15 102:6
113:16 116:3,19,
20 120:14 121:14,
15,16,17,18,19,20,
22,25 122:1
123:19
Brockington's
99:1,23
Brockton
120:15
brokerage
78:17
brothers
109:14 121:3
123:11
brought
8:18,19 29:10
48:11 65:15 67:13
79:20 126:2
131:23
Bryan
7:20
budget
25:2 69:6,7 103:5
112:20,21
budgets
104:17,18
build
89:12
building
13:24 18:3

built
16:23 56:5 57:11,
18 87:21
bulk
89:14
Bureau
31:24 35:9 124:22
business
9:24 35:3 43:14
52:13 59:8 60:1
61:2 66:18 69:11
80:4 95:18 100:24,
25 101:3 110:5,7
124:19 127:4
136:21
businesses
31:8 34:19 35:5
110:3,6
Butch
7:4,10 8:11 134:13
C
C.L.
121:19
cable
70:1,2
call
46:3 56:24 87:17
92:13 94:22
130:12
calm
72:5
Campsen
39:22 40:19
Canada
58:21
candidate
4:1,4 5:2,17 6:1
8:14 26:13,21 27:5
41:7 48:7 65:10
91:12 98:12
107:20 112:2
115:3 116:23
124:2 133:25
138:9
candidate's
47:21,23
candidates
3:5,7,9,19,20 4:9,
15,16,19,22 5:2,6,
12 23:6 26:20
27:10,12 29:23
98:11
candidates'
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canons
51:19
capabilities
31:25
capacities
7:18 47:2
capacity
54:2 62:17,18
89:18 123:16
132:17
capital
43:8 89:10
carbon
56:12 86:25
card
102:16
care
22:7,9 122:14
career
28:8 34:21,23
44:2,3 64:12
113:22,24 132:3
Carlar
120:15
Carolee
27:8,19 29:3
Carolina
25:8 28:9,13
30:15,25 32:23
44:24 48:25 56:7
57:13 59:17 62:4
66:9 70:1,2 74:10
81:15 86:16,25
87:7,16,19 92:21
94:23 96:3 97:2,5,
14 99:8,16 102:8,9
106:9,20 121:16,
19 125:3 126:15
130:23 136:11,25
Carolina's
70:7 110:19,22
Carolyn
27:8,19 29:3 32:22
carrier
53:6
carrying
13:4 89:4
Carter
53:22
cascading
58:19
case
33:5 41:20 43:11
49:15 71:2 82:15
84:16 93:14 95:4,

16,21 102:19
103:17
cases
49:18,25 54:10
74:13 80:19,20,21
86:17 94:22 95:1
cast
106:17
caucus
12:2,7 36:12,15
51:5,6,9 69:18
84:7,10 107:6,11
129:8,12
caused
15:11 16:6 18:5
cell
19:13 127:16
Center
99:15
cents
17:4
certificated
87:11
certified
28:15 120:22
cetera
127:4
chair
11:7,9,10,12 23:12
24:10 41:15 46:17
47:8 52:14 55:21
75:3 92:9 97:7
112:9 128:3
130:11 134:8
chairman
7:25 11:7 16:7
24:19 47:4,10
63:25 71:16 96:24,
25 97:2,4 124:5
136:5,16
Chairman's
86:3
chairmanship
92:14
challenge
14:8 32:5 35:4
80:13 90:12,15
102:24
challenges
21:11 102:23
chance
62:6
change
21:14 31:7

changed
44:7 80:2,7
changing
131:24
character
129:3
charge
119:7,23
Charleston
28:9,12 31:12
32:23 33:12 35:13,
22 36:1,5 44:14,
18,20
Chase
121:13 122:12
cheapest
17:3
check
8:15,16,17 29:7,8,
9 48:8 65:11,12
79:16,18 81:25
82:6 101:8,9
119:7,15,19
125:23,24,25
checks
4:2
chemical
15:22
chemicals
15:22
Chernobyl
17:19,20
chief
11:23
child
14:13
children
117:23
choose
15:18 100:16
Circuit
87:5
circumference
45:13
cities
34:24
citizens
52:3
City
28:12 31:11 35:4,
22 47:12 78:23
118:24 119:1
125:1
Clara

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102:6 116:18
121:13,14,15,17,
18,20,21,24
clarification
100:7
clarify
120:21 121:2
class
34:2 100:17,18
classes
69:3 72:15,18
classified
92:5
clean
17:14 56:11 86:22
87:2 96:19 130:24
131:6
cleaned
23:19
cleanse
23:24
clear
38:19 94:9
clearance
93:21,23
Clinton
47:6,12,13 48:25
49:10
Clinton/newberry
47:10
clock
13:18 17:10
close
16:16 95:2
closed
104:13 122:9
closely
25:1 54:21
coal
14:2,10,11,12,16,
22 25:9 26:4
53:15,24,25 66:24
70:10 96:20
131:24
coal-fired
87:10
Coast
16:17 58:22
Code
13:5 37:17 71:7
108:23
colleagues
23:2 55:10 91:8

111:23 133:21
collection
60:6 120:5
college
46:20 99:5,6
124:18
color
25:16
Columbia
49:11 123:11
126:24
combined
96:14
Comer
46:5,10 48:1,4,24
comers
6:23
comment
23:16 117:5,18
comments
5:15 20:17
commission
3:6 4:6,7 7:2,16,
17,19 9:15,16
10:3,14,15,17
11:6,8,16 13:6,15,
16 16:7 27:8
30:11,12,22 31:5
32:10,13 33:7,10,
21 36:19 41:21
45:11 46:25 49:7
50:16 51:15 52:19
59:5,10 63:11
66:16,21 67:11,22
69:25 70:14,16
77:14 78:8,13
80:5,6 81:22 82:1,
3,14 86:6,12 87:16
88:4,16 94:17,25
95:10 98:11
102:21 103:2
105:16,20 106:3
107:15,20 108:15
110:4,17 124:1,24,
25 125:3 127:9
129:16,18,24
130:17 131:3
133:5 134:19,21,
23 135:1,2 136:17
138:22
Commission's
33:17 67:25
105:22
commissioner
4:12 7:3,12,15,23
8:2,5,6,18,24
12:20,23 13:1,10,
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24:8,15,16,20
26:23 32:3,16
37:14 38:3 46:6,7,
18,19 47:1,5,16,18
48:10,13,15 51:11,
22 54:13 55:25
57:21 59:25 72:3,4
77:15,17 79:23
80:3,17 84:13,15
86:8 96:1 97:9,15
101:17 107:1
109:9,10,11 110:1
124:2,3,4,9 126:5
129:15 130:9,11,
19 132:20 134:12,
21,24 135:7
commissioners
13:8 14:23 18:23
33:24 34:1 37:16
38:16 50:4 52:11
56:4 59:12 60:20
71:6 72:9 76:25
77:1 85:20 93:11
96:12 108:22
128:2
commissions
37:21 71:10 109:2
committed
100:12
committee
3:8,17 4:13,17,18,
21 8:20,23 11:9,
10,25 24:7,19
36:10 43:20 46:13
47:22 50:24 57:20
65:15,18 69:17
73:14 74:10 78:1
79:6,25 80:16 81:8
82:24 83:20 84:5
92:10,14,15 98:24
107:4 123:17
125:13 128:7
129:6,23,24 136:3,
7 138:24,25
committees
78:9 82:8,9 125:6
136:6,8
commodity
21:25 69:11
common
3:18 121:23
communicate
27:11
communicating
104:4
communication
5:11 27:12,14
37:5,8 62:13,19

70:24 71:1 83:21
108:2 127:13
communications
50:20
communities
35:3 36:3 101:22
community
28:17 31:8,18 32:6
44:7,10,14,16
61:16 74:2 125:4
135:5
commute
49:10
companies
17:10 18:20 35:7,
25 36:6 70:1,2
110:25 130:23
131:2,14 132:7,13
company
7:20 19:18 30:16
64:14 74:9,14 76:4
78:15,16 90:1
124:21 135:17
137:21
compassion
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competition
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competitive
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complain
110:17
complete
6:13
completed
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136:24
completely
83:24
complex
59:8
complicated
62:23
complications
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compliment
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comprehensive
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Con
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concern
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concerned

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concluded
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conditional
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conditions
14:22 15:16
conduct
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109:11,21,22,24
conducted
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conference
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Conferences
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confidence
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confidential
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79:2 93:15 99:24
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confronting
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Congressional
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49:3 66:12 81:18
102:13 126:18
connect
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connection
23:16
connectivity
58:25
consideration
20:25 31:11 86:7
130:19
considered
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100:18
consistently
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constant
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constantly
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constituent
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constitute
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constraints
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constructed
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construction
17:16 53:18 57:7
90:4 137:4
consumer
3:14 34:7,11,13
68:7 83:4 103:23
104:25 128:12
contact
10:13 22:23 23:2
39:12 50:3 55:6,10
82:13,16 91:3
101:21 104:8
111:18 119:16
127:8,11 133:16
136:13
contacted
5:6 39:22
contacting
91:8 111:23
133:21
containment
17:22
contest
84:1
contested
15:23
continue
27:6 30:19 77:13
80:24 88:22,24
89:2 96:4 101:22
106:22 114:5
136:18 138:6
continued
96:7 106:23
continuing
63:9 98:10
continuous
136:18
contract
75:9,14 113:8,9
contracts
67:6,7 75:17,18
contribution
31:4
contributions
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control
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controversial
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convenient
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convention
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conversation
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67:18
convince
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cooperating
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Cooperative
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coordinated
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coordinator
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copies
40:5
copper-based
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copy
40:4
Corner
9:8
correct
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107:25 118:15
120:24 123:7
Correctional
99:11 115:6
correctly
113:18 119:13,14
cost
13:24 14:20 17:4,
8,15 20:10 22:2,13
43:8 53:17 76:6,12
89:1
costs
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69:14 90:4 94:2
council
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112:20,24 121:17
125:1,4 136:9,12
counsel
11:23
counselor
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counties
12:12
country
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13,22 88:5
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112:20,24 119:23
125:3
coup
44:24
couple
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112:11
courses
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court
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63:16 77:18 87:5
99:9 100:14,15,23
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114:21 118:20,24
121:23 124:9
129:25 130:25
courtroom
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courts
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covered
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103:20 128:10
created
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credit
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48:7 65:10,12
79:16,17 101:8
116:24 125:22,24
crime
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criminal
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critical
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93:6
criticized
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cross-subsidization
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crucial
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cumulative
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current
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curtailments
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curve
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customer
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customers
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cyber
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91:25 92:15,16,23
93:2 94:2
cycle
16:10 23:18
D
D.C.
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Da
28:24
daily
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127:10
damage
18:5
danger
93:16
dark
56:18
Darlington
99:12
data
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28:20,24 29:2
47:15,18,25 64:23
65:3,6 79:1,8
80:10 99:19,23
100:1,8 125:8,15
date
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90:21 111:11
133:9
daughter
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daughters
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David
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Davis
121:19
day
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12,14 81:24 96:5
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19

days
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23 52:8,9 92:13
De
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deal
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80:10 92:15 94:6
96:23
dealing
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56:20 58:13 84:5
101:24 107:4
129:6
deals
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dealt
44:10
death
121:9
debate
93:10
debated
30:9
decade
117:18
decide
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decided
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deciding
19:5
decision
10:12
decision-making
30:3 31:14
decisions
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68:1,3 105:23
106:1 135:16
dedicate
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dedicated
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dedicating
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dedication
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Dee
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deep
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deeply
37:12 42:25
defeated
5:5
defendant
122:5
defined
54:21
definition
38:18
degree
3:11 28:6 64:6,9
78:7 99:4,6,7
124:18
degrees
106:6,7
delays
57:16
delegation
12:12,13,22
delicate
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delivery
60:2
delve
37:12
demand
88:9
demeanor
12:25 38:2 51:22
72:2 84:12,14
109:8 129:14
130:3
demo
3:20
demographic
3:21
deny
14:5
denying
19:8
department
28:8,11 64:13,15,
19 68:13 99:17
136:14
depend
10:19
dependability
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dependable
76:19
depending
70:22

depends
10:6 11:19 38:18
56:8
deploy
89:2
depth
45:15 94:5
describe
9:14 13:14 34:4
49:6 52:18 68:4
81:21 100:9
103:19 126:21
130:16 134:18
description
10:23 83:1
designed
132:12
desire
4:11
detail
43:17
details
33:13 61:3
determine
3:9 4:3 117:22
determining
35:15
develop
114:12 132:13
developed
114:1,20
developer
114:1
development
21:18 28:9 54:20
devote
80:5
dialogue
60:12
diesel
15:25
difference
62:16
difficult
19:1
digital
92:25
direction
67:20
directive
33:15
director
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directors
7:25 28:16 47:9
disabilities
99:12 104:23
disadvantage
17:15
disaster
31:21
disciplines
115:2
disclose
92:6
disclosure
5:20,21
discriminate
37:25 71:24 109:6
discuss
4:3 5:17 11:2,14,
18 50:15 70:15,20
83:13,17 107:16,
22 128:18
discussed
26:12 119:9 128:1
discussion
36:20 108:12
disproportionate
17:8
distinction
96:13
distribute
89:2
distributed
30:17 88:22
distribution
18:13,19 67:2
131:22
distributive
93:1 137:9
District
6:8,9,11 7:2 9:11,
13 27:6,8 33:1,3
46:4 49:4,5 63:10
66:12 77:15 81:18
98:11 101:17
102:13 124:1
126:18
dive
93:25
diversity
44:16 67:10 77:1
division
7:20
dockets
32:9

doer
106:21
dollars
137:4
domestic
99:9 100:9,13,17,
18 101:3 104:6
105:8 112:15
donors
112:18
door
104:13 138:1
drink
15:18
drinking
67:15
drive
9:8 45:19 102:7
126:14
driver's
4:2 8:15,17 29:7,9
48:8 65:11,13
79:16,18 101:8
117:9,13,23
125:23,25
driving
14:5 116:24 117:2
drought
15:16
Duke
17:1,2,9 95:7
duly
7:11 27:20 46:11
63:18 77:20 98:18
124:12
duration
3:12
duties
3:8
E
e-mail
39:16,24 40:10,11,
25 81:25
eager
81:6 97:15
earlier
5:7 102:18 115:8
119:9 122:11
136:20
early
31:9 34:23 35:20,
23

earthquake
15:2 16:6 18:6
31:21
earthquakes
15:1,12
easier
42:12
East
58:22 102:7
ebbs
58:6
economic
21:18 44:19 54:19
69:1,3 83:5
economics
3:15 34:8 103:24
105:2 128:13
economist
82:19
Edgar
77:19 79:9,12
educate
51:14
educated
59:10
education
8:1 11:11,12 46:22
64:3 97:11 101:20
106:9,23
educational
28:2 78:4 99:1
124:15
effect
58:19 95:8 134:22
efficiency
35:7
efficient
31:1 76:7
effort
135:15
eggs
16:15
elaborate
82:13 102:20
elect
60:20
elected
7:16 37:22 41:11
60:10 71:11,21
73:16 109:3 112:7
election
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electric
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70:7 71:18 74:14
80:21 110:24
131:24 136:7
electrical
67:1,6 74:16 75:14
Electricians
10:17
electricity
21:16,20,22 50:11
60:5 66:23 110:20,
23,25
electronic
27:14
electrons
58:23
emergency
31:19
emission
86:25
emissions
14:15
emits
14:15 17:14
emphasize
76:11
employed
99:14,15
employees
106:16
employer
106:16
employment
5:18 104:24
enacting
89:4
encompass
105:9
encompassing
11:5
encourage
89:10,11,14
end
8:18 37:15 89:25
131:17
energy
3:13 17:2 18:15,17
30:17 31:9,19,24
34:6,11,22 35:7,
10,20 61:9 62:15
68:6 72:15,18
74:10 83:3 103:22
104:25 110:6,8,24
128:11 136:13,14
enforce

71:14
enforcement
4:1 117:17
engaged
60:12 103:22
engineering
3:16 34:9 64:7,9,
13 68:10,12,13,18
69:4 83:6 103:25
105:3 128:14
engineers
82:18
enjoy
89:21
enjoyed
48:16
ensure
5:4 36:6
ensuring
30:24 31:20
enter
123:3
entered
8:4 10:22 28:25
47:19,23 65:4
79:1,7 82:24 84:19
99:24 125:8,13
128:7
entertaining
40:7
entire
34:22 66:17
entities
114:1
entity
100:10,11,22
101:3
envelop
25:17
environment
37:3
environmental
28:7
environmentally
22:7
EPA
14:19,21 54:1
60:16
EPA'S
56:11 57:5
equally
32:15 84:25
equipment
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erased
100:20
essence
90:9
establishing
69:25
estimated
90:5
ethical
4:5
ethics
13:5 37:18 108:24
129:3,19
evaluate
30:5 71:17
evaluated
71:13
evaluating
32:5 36:2
Evaluation
8:10 48:3 79:11
125:18
event
70:22
everybody's
86:24
evidence
84:17
exact
14:25
exam
42:1 43:19
examination
4:3 9:3 23:14
24:11 32:18 41:16
43:23 48:20 55:23
57:23 61:5 66:4
73:20 75:4 81:10
91:21 94:14 102:2
112:13 113:14
116:1 126:10
134:9 135:20
excellent
50:6 82:16 127:12
exciting
30:21
executive
5:16,24 6:1,16,21
26:12,14,17,18
27:1,3 45:24 46:1
63:4,6,8 77:9,11
97:21 101:11
116:14,16,18,21
138:8,10,12,15

exempt
5:21
EXH
8:7,10 29:2 47:25
48:3 65:6 79:8,11
100:1,4 125:15,18
exhibit
42:5
expansion
31:10
expect
33:20 85:24 106:2
114:25
expected
24:21 137:6
expenditure
19:25
expenses
20:2
expensive
16:24,25 30:20
experience
10:24 25:25 28:3
31:4 34:4 46:19
58:12 59:25 60:4
64:1 65:21 66:1
67:1,2,6,11 68:4,
25 75:6,10 76:13,
17 78:5 81:1 83:1
95:16,18 96:7 99:2
103:3,8,19 124:15
128:9 137:17
experienced
96:6
experiencing
25:7
expertise
3:12 10:24 11:2
34:5 50:10 68:6
83:2 103:16,20
128:10
experts
37:11 80:13 92:16
explain
37:4 40:2 113:16
explanation
120:8
express
51:12,17 52:3
54:12
expressed
51:16
expression
51:13

extension
34:24 35:21
extensions
19:20,22
extensively
122:9
extent
3:22 14:16
extract
24:4
F
face
14:7 88:23,25
facilities
57:8
facility
44:22 87:12 99:11
facing
88:16 96:18
130:22
fact
13:20 23:20 44:22
58:7 73:22 120:6
129:21 131:22
factor
22:2,3 25:19
62:17,18
factors
3:21 26:5
failing
35:25
fair
31:1 57:10 59:15
114:21 123:5,6
fairly
10:15,16 14:24
84:25 85:25
fairness
5:4
familiar
11:24 12:3 23:5
36:9 51:3 55:15
69:15 72:20 73:11
84:4 91:11 96:17
107:3,7 112:1
129:5 133:24
families
40:18 109:13
family
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fare
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Farm
124:22
fascinating
33:14 80:12,15
92:8
father
121:9
father's
120:9
fault
118:13,16
favoritism
85:10
FBI
91:24 93:24
fear
88:2
February
99:9
federal
32:1 80:18 86:15
92:17 121:14,15
feel
21:3 25:23 66:19
67:8 71:13 76:16,
22 101:18,25
103:7 106:21,24
fell
134:17
fewer
93:19 122:3
field
17:22
filing
38:23 39:1 72:23
73:1 111:4,7
final
5:1 39:13 91:4
111:19 123:21
124:1 133:17
finalized
23:7
finally
17:16 32:2 35:9
121:10
finance
3:15 34:8 53:14
68:8 83:5 103:24
105:2 128:13
financed
43:16
finances
103:4
financial

54:18 59:18 79:3
125:10
find
73:22 80:11 81:8
116:3
findings
123:17
fine
132:19
fines
100:15 118:20
finish
6:11 126:9
firm
52:14
flat
97:3
flexibility
22:8
Florence
102:8,9 113:2,5
119:23
Florencedarlington
99:4
flows
58:6
fluctuate
14:17
focus
31:17 42:16 60:24,
25
focused
61:16
folks
6:17 42:6 54:11
56:15 57:10,16
132:5 137:14
follow
33:15 46:14 75:17
77:25 121:7
follow-up
12:5 63:23 67:21
force
31:25 35:11,15
forefront
92:18 96:22
foremost
86:23
Forest
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form
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formal
22:24 39:13 91:4
111:19 133:17
Forrester
24:9,12 43:21,22,
24 45:21 57:22,24
61:4 74:25 75:1,2,
5 77:4 93:8 94:12,
13,15 97:16
113:12,13,15
115:25 135:19,21
138:4
fortunate
60:8
forum
93:9
forward
8:25 10:2 48:18
94:5,11 96:20
found
18:10 33:14 90:16
119:24
FR-10
118:7
fracking
14:18,19 15:3,4,6,
7,12,13,15,17,19
16:12,17 23:17
frame
16:23
fraudulent
119:7,15,18
fresh
15:14
Friday
127:7
friend
39:19 40:7,18
friendly
22:8
friends
19:12 23:1 55:9
91:7 111:22
133:20
front
19:3,4,19 38:6
43:10 80:14,24
86:23 106:13
117:22 127:1
fuel
16:1 17:4,5,6
full
4:16 23:9 41:12
50:1 55:17 73:16
91:16 112:7
123:17 134:4

138:24,25
full-time
80:5
fully
95:8
function
51:9
functions
51:5 69:18 76:17
fund
30:19
funded
112:17
funds
19:6 112:16 113:1
Furman
40:19
furnish
21:15
future
14:6 56:4 61:8
86:12
FYI
40:14
G
gain
33:24 34:3
gaining
115:20,22
gallons
15:14
game
61:2
gas
14:2,13,14,17,18
16:15,16 17:14
18:19 21:16 25:9,
11 47:10 50:11
60:5 67:6 70:11
71:12 74:7 75:17,
21 76:1,2,6,10
78:11 87:11,12
131:21,24,25
132:3,5 136:7
gases
14:15 16:19
gathered
128:5
gave
4:2 60:17
gavel
85:23

gender
3:20 37:25 71:25
109:6
general
4:19 12:10 13:23
18:14 19:6 22:14,
23 23:3 32:2 37:4
38:22 39:1,12 41:9
43:5,7 53:7 55:6,
11 56:3 70:21
72:22 86:20 91:3,
8,14 108:1,3
111:3,7,18,23
112:4 130:19,21
133:16,21 134:2
generally
54:8 117:14
generate
66:23
generating
25:7
generation
14:1,8 17:3,6
18:13,19 24:24
26:3,7 53:14
66:22,24 70:8
76:23 88:23 89:2,
11,12,21,23 93:1
110:20,23 132:14
137:9
generations
13:25
generator
131:25
generators
68:20,21
gentlemen
124:5
geographic
31:12
Georgia
46:23 57:13 78:7
87:19,21
Girl
121:17
give
4:9 14:8 21:20
25:17,20 28:2 40:4
44:11 46:14 78:3
81:8 85:8,18
97:12,15 98:25
106:15,18 114:18
129:1,17
glad
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goal
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goals
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God
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goings
61:12
golden
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12:17,24 14:13
23:12 46:17 47:17
48:6,19,21 55:20
63:25 65:2,9 66:3,
5 73:18
good
3:1,3 7:12 10:6,20
23:25 27:15,16,23,
25 32:16 46:6,7
49:16 50:12 59:11
60:14,19 63:13,14
66:19,20 67:9,17
78:2 84:20,21 89:3
98:13,14 102:25
103:10,13 114:16
123:13 124:3,4,13
127:19 132:21
goods
110:7
government
65:23 95:18 132:4
governments
31:6
graduate
28:4 46:20 64:6,8
graduated
124:17
graduation
124:19
great
22:5 35:6 44:5
50:9 86:21 92:3
109:11 136:10
greater
44:19 89:17
greatest
3:22 59:4 75:24
94:18,20 113:23,
25 135:25
greenhouse
14:15 17:14
Greenville
124:18
grew
31:12
grid
58:9,10 92:24

grids
58:3
grocery
119:11
group
59:11 74:18 85:12
groups
96:24 97:2
grow
62:10 136:18
137:12
growing
14:7
growth
14:4,6,7 25:7 31:7
34:23 44:19
guess
21:24 24:5 40:11
42:18 44:1 59:13
66:17 67:14,15
69:1 70:22,25 74:1
75:10 76:2,3,6
81:23 83:18 89:20
95:6 97:24
guidance
71:3
guidelines
18:16
guilty
119:24
Gulf
16:17
H
hacked
58:20 92:2
hacking
58:2
Hag
65:3
Hagner
63:12,14,17 64:3,
12,18 65:1,7,19
66:8 75:6
Hagner's
64:1 65:3
half
80:3
hall
26:22
hallway
6:18
Hamilton
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4,11,17 125:16,19,
22 126:1,5,14
132:20 135:22
Hamilton's
124:15 125:7
hand
42:7 59:2 86:2
124:10 127:15
handle
11:23 14:6 36:21
70:17 83:14
107:17 108:11
128:19
handled
18:18 68:14
hands-on
106:21 115:9,12,
21
hanging
14:10
happen
16:16 17:21 24:2
56:22 58:21 83:18
87:18 93:5 128:24
131:1 137:14
138:23
happened
40:2 118:1 129:2
happening
87:19
happy
40:3 124:6
hard
44:5 45:9 94:6
Harrison
121:24
hate
136:1
hear
20:25 26:15 30:13
58:25 67:17 95:16,
21 133:1
heard
10:1 12:15 20:18,
20 26:16 54:5 90:9
92:6 101:24
132:24 133:5
136:20
hearing
3:5 9:17,21 10:5
20:23 33:11,13
42:22 49:24,25
52:7 54:8 58:1
59:17 60:21 85:5,6
90:18 94:1 105:5
127:18 128:5

132:7 135:5,9
hearings
9:18 10:4 21:10
32:10 33:9,16
34:16,17 42:19
51:25 52:2 54:7,10
61:22 67:22 85:22,
25 86:1 105:15,19
127:2,3,5 133:4
135:3,11,12
heat
25:5 132:5
heavily
58:15 61:16
heavy
66:25 80:11
held
80:18 107:9
helping
137:11
helps
60:25 86:21
high
67:3 130:1
highest
24:14
highlight
44:3
highlighted
42:8
Highway
125:3
hire
106:5
hired
64:18 115:19
history
135:10
hit
89:24
hits
18:6
hold
109:20 135:5
holding
94:21
home
9:5,7 32:20 48:22
81:12 102:4,7
114:10 122:21
126:12 127:6
135:4
homestead
121:4

honest
21:13
honor
44:8 136:10
hope
8:25 40:14 81:8
96:25 97:8,10
131:25 132:6,8
133:23
hospital
104:22 123:12
hour
49:10 132:21
hours
4:20 23:7 38:12,13
41:8 73:13 91:13
96:11 112:3 134:1
house
15:9 25:15,16,17,
18 105:11 122:17
household
110:7
housing
121:16 122:13,14,
19,20
Howard
7:4,10,15,17,21,23
8:6,8,11,18,24 9:7
12:20,23 24:8,13
26:23
Howard's
8:2
Howe
78:22
huge
85:7 87:7 88:20
hurricane
16:18 31:20
hurt
17:24
husband
122:14
Hutto
3:1,4 6:22 7:7
12:18,21 23:15
24:6 26:9,11,25
27:2,4,17,21 29:17
41:17 43:18 45:22
46:2,8,12 55:22,24
57:20 61:6 62:24
63:7,15,19 73:21
74:23 75:1 77:5,7,
12,21 91:22 92:3
94:12 97:17,22
98:3,9,15,19
112:11,14 113:12

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116:2,8,11,17
120:19 123:15,20,
24 124:7 132:19
134:10 135:19
138:5,11,16,20
hydro
70:11
hydrological
16:9 23:18
I
iceberg
45:15,19
ideas
57:3
identification
8:9,12 29:4 48:2,5
65:8 79:10,13
100:3,5 125:17,20
II
48:1
III
46:5,10 48:4,24
illegal
109:19
imagine
26:18
immediately
36:23 37:15 50:21
70:20 128:25
impact
32:6 35:12 43:1
85:7 86:16 87:7
impacts
36:8
impartial
84:15 108:7,10,18
impartiality
108:5
implication
19:17
implications
13:22 14:20 87:8
importance
20:6 76:21
important
20:24,25 22:3,12
26:6 38:19 69:13
135:1 136:25
impractical
16:12
impressed
29:20

impropriety
85:9
imprudence
90:16
impurities
24:4
inadvertent
70:24 83:20,24
inadvertently
70:24 128:24
incentives
35:8
include
34:5
includes
27:13 95:17
including
4:1 103:21
income
15:5 22:4
increase
33:12
incredibly
37:8
individual
131:21
individuals
106:5 135:11
industrial
66:23
industries
110:3
industry
7:22 19:9 21:9
26:4 51:13 52:24
66:25 67:1 74:12
75:7,10 76:3,5
82:11
industry's
74:19
influence
20:7
inform
108:14
information
4:25 10:12 11:4
15:23 29:1,10 32:5
35:6 37:13 47:20
65:5 79:2,3,19
99:25 106:22
107:22 117:25
122:16,20 123:3
125:9,10 126:1
127:21 128:4,8

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April 18, 2016
informational
35:1
informed
107:21 122:11
Infrastructure
92:9 93:7
initially
7:15
inject
16:4,6
input
54:9 135:16
inquire
108:20
inroads
18:14
insight
60:7
instances
122:4
Institute
28:15 78:11
Institution
115:6
insulated
85:15 92:2
insurance
33:14 117:24
124:20
integrity
3:19 58:10 59:19
intensely
30:12
intensive
34:2
intentional
51:1
interact
50:12 82:2,5,22
85:16
interacts
54:19
interconnection
61:22,23
interest
21:4,7,9,12 30:10
35:18 54:14 74:19
76:6 90:2,4
interested
33:6 66:15 74:2,3
102:20
interesting
14:23 56:6 80:12

interior
45:19
International
64:14
interrelated
31:13
intervenor
84:23 90:14
interview
40:13
interviews
42:9,10
intrigued
32:12
invasion
5:20
invest
20:11
invested
58:15
investigation
8:14 29:6 48:7
65:10 79:15 101:7
119:4 125:22
investigations
3:25
investment
20:9,13 69:10
89:10
investments
44:25
investor
58:14
investor-owned
21:5 54:15
involve
33:23
involved
28:17 60:9 65:25
67:16 70:5 77:2
104:24 109:12
118:8
involvement
95:11
IOP
67:24
IOU
21:5
IP
88:19 96:19
ipad
127:16
Island
17:24,25

issue
4:18 11:15 13:20,
21 15:20 18:10
19:4,6 36:21 50:16
51:12,14 53:5
56:19 58:24 59:16
83:14 87:14,15
96:20 107:17
128:19
issued
4:23 11:25 22:24
36:10 51:4 69:16
84:5 87:4 107:4
118:5 129:6
issues
4:5 10:1,2 13:14
19:2,16 26:1 33:21
34:6 38:5 42:16
44:9 45:13 52:19,
22 56:7 60:24
67:15,16 68:7,8
82:10 83:3 86:5,
10,15,16 93:2
96:17,21 103:22
106:3
items
86:13 103:16
J
Jacobs
121:21
jail
114:10
Japan
18:4
Jenkinsville
18:6
job
34:15,17,18 59:11
80:8,15 86:3 92:19
106:4,14,24 115:3,
8
jobs
107:2
John
7:3,10 8:8,10 9:7
78:21
jointly
101:1
judge
104:11 114:14
119:9,15
judges
101:24 104:7,9
114:2,3 118:23
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judgment
121:20
judicial
30:23 37:17 51:19
71:7 108:23
Junior
124:18
K
keeping
61:13 138:3
key
21:6 106:24
136:13
kids
19:14
killed
17:25
kilowatts
61:19
kind
7:14 25:16 34:22
43:9 49:25 50:3
54:10 62:22 67:7,
13,19 69:9 75:16
80:11 82:3,6 86:13
88:24 93:7,12,13,
18 100:10 114:12,
14 126:25 127:10
134:22 136:1
kinds
16:11,19 36:8
knew
40:22,23 69:13
115:13
knowing
13:4,5 61:1,2
72:12 101:21
knowledge
4:4 34:3 35:2
113:19 115:1,11,
20,22 119:4
kw
132:16
L
La
78:21
lack
88:1 132:2 133:6
Lake
118:23 119:1
Lakeshore

126:14
landlines
19:10,11,12
landmark
95:4
Lane
81:15
large
15:22
larger
68:14 89:16
largest
68:15 95:7
lasted
95:2
lastly
137:13
late
6:22 95:3
latest
87:2
laughing
10:16 12:14
law
3:16 4:1 19:24
34:9 37:18 53:8
54:22 83:6 103:25
105:3,4,5,6 114:5
117:4,17 118:6
128:14 137:10
lawmakers
105:6,12,13
laws
10:8 101:23
103:11 104:5
105:7,8 108:8,15,
24
lawyers
105:11
lead
35:17
leadership
81:7 97:8
leading
18:20 108:5,6
leads
11:20
learn
32:15 37:2,9,10,11
45:19 73:25 96:4
learned
45:16 92:7 106:14,
17,19

Screening Subcommittee Public Hearing
April 18, 2016
learning
32:5 43:6 59:6
65:21 66:1 96:4
115:24
leave
45:23 63:3 97:19,
25 126:7 138:7
leaving
115:5
led
80:20
Lee
99:10 115:6
left
14:10 33:5 59:2
legal
11:23 49:17 122:5
legislation
18:15 30:18 137:2
legislative
12:1,2,6 36:11,14,
15 51:5,8 69:18
84:6,7,9,10 107:5,
10 129:7,8,11,12
legislator
22:16,19 39:5,8
54:24 55:2 73:4
90:21,24 111:11,
14 133:9,12 135:8
legislature
30:14,24 65:23
89:3 135:8
Leone
27:19 29:3 32:22
letter
119:20
level
4:3 58:2 60:11
66:23 93:11,21
96:14
Lewis
98:17 100:2 102:6
license
4:2 8:15,17 29:7,9
48:8 65:11,13
79:16,18 101:8
117:10 125:23,25
lien
120:4,7,9,24 121:4
122:25 123:8
lies
29:25
life
38:9 80:2 92:6
95:16 124:20

137:5
lifetime
94:22
lift
63:7 97:22
lights
56:17
limbo
130:24
Limestone
99:6
limit
86:25
limited
95:10
lines
57:25 131:22
list
117:25
listed
103:16 117:23
listen
30:4 38:4 114:18
listener
84:21 103:1
listening
52:5
lists
117:25
literal
43:8
Liv
134:13
live
130:6
load
13:19,22,24 16:19
20:11,15,19,23
24:22 25:7,25
42:19 43:3 53:3,
12,13,14,15,23
54:4 56:13 62:15
89:6,8,12,25 90:9,
11 94:23 113:17
132:10,12,14,17,
25 137:3
local
31:6 88:13 95:18
locate
131:13
located
88:14
long
6:19 16:23 22:7

43:15 68:18 74:21
96:3 128:22
137:10
long-range
76:9,20
long-term
31:25 34:18
longest
134:11
looked
42:8,9
lose
130:13
losing
19:11
lot
15:5 17:13 18:1,7
20:16 22:9 33:23
49:12,13,14,15
52:5 56:7 58:13
59:6 60:12 61:25
69:7 76:5,17 80:2,
7,9,10,24 86:22
90:4 92:16,22 97:8
103:4 105:14,25
106:1 113:19
115:16 131:8,9
137:14
lots
49:23 56:14
106:11,16
Louisiana
64:5
low
14:18
lower
106:17
lunch
6:10,11 97:20,23
98:6
luncheon
98:8
M
Mack
60:17
mad
130:12,14
made
18:1 23:16 38:21,
25 53:8 67:19
72:25 111:6
138:23
magistrate's
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mail
102:8
main
67:12 89:14
maintain
52:4 69:8
maintaining
59:18
major
94:21 123:14
136:6,8
make
4:10 8:22 10:12
28:20 29:13 31:4
40:22 44:12 45:3
48:14 50:23 51:19
54:16,17 58:17
65:17 72:21 79:22
84:22 90:8 99:19
101:14 104:13
110:12 111:2
114:20 115:2
126:4 128:1 133:4
135:15
Makers
47:7
makes
60:23 137:15
making
32:7 59:1,15,16
67:3 89:1 92:1
Management
31:24 35:10
manager
7:20 28:10 64:21
69:5 71:17 78:18
124:20,22
managers
31:19,20
Manhattan
121:13
manner
94:7
Maple
48:25
marked
8:8,11 29:4 48:1,5
65:7 79:9,12
100:2,5 125:16,19
marketing
62:20
markets
88:6,9
Marlboro
125:3

massive
89:24
master
64:9
master's
28:6 46:22 99:7
106:6,7
material
105:25 106:1
107:22
matter
11:14 23:20 36:20
50:15 70:15 83:13
88:3 90:18 92:4
107:16 128:18
matters
5:19 6:2 26:15
mature
25:21
matures
26:8
maturing
25:22
mayor
47:5,12
mayors
31:23 35:11
MBA
64:10 69:4
Mccarthy
60:16
Mcleod
99:14
means
5:8 27:14 102:17
meant
51:14
measurable
137:24
mechanical
64:7,8
media
87:4
Medical
99:15
meet
3:9 5:16 29:15
56:12 57:4 104:8
114:13 128:2
138:25
meeting
9:22 12:13,22
49:21 51:9 52:14
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127:5
meetings
9:25 12:2,7,11,12
36:12,15 49:22
51:6 59:1 69:19
84:7,10 93:9
103:10 104:13
107:6,8,11 114:14
129:8,12
megawatt
87:13
megawatts
54:2 89:17
member
7:23 28:14 75:20
78:21 138:19
members
4:13 22:23 23:2
24:6 38:22 39:1,12
43:20 55:6,11
57:21 72:22 73:1
77:25 91:3,8
111:3,7,18,23
133:16,21
mention
80:23
mentioned
25:4 26:2 35:9
40:9,12 50:2 53:11
75:9 83:10,20
112:19 135:3
merger
95:8
mergers
95:9,11
merit
54:8
merits
52:1 54:7 84:17
85:25
messages
82:1,7
met
29:19 30:25
meters
18:19 62:22
mid-may
4:19
middle
14:17
midst
89:4
Mile
17:24,25

million
15:14 68:16 69:7
mind
21:14 86:24
123:12
mind-set
18:24
minds
34:18,19
mindset
31:4
mine
32:4 40:7 114:22
minute
45:24 63:5 77:8
97:18 116:13
138:7
minutes
98:5 116:15
missing
110:8
mission
21:15
missions
21:8
misused
92:2
mix
61:9 70:8 110:20,
23
mixed
113:20
Mm-hmm
72:17
model
89:1
modernized
92:24
momentum
62:1
Moncks
9:8
Monday
126:23,25
Monday's
40:13
money
15:5 20:12 113:10
monies
119:11,19
monopoly
76:4
month

17:18 56:25 67:24
95:2
months
38:22 72:22 95:1
111:3
morning
3:2,3 7:12 27:15,
16,23,25 46:6,7
63:13,14 78:2
126:25
motivated
30:12 32:15
Mountain
56:22
move
5:15 6:16 45:25
46:4 52:14 94:5
96:25 98:6 119:2
120:2 132:18
moved
80:6 88:17
moving
15:9 59:14 94:11
123:24
multiple
82:8 115:1
municipal
47:3 60:11 132:3
municipal-owned
95:19
municipality
95:19
N
named
122:5,11
names
122:11,13
NARUC
7:24 11:6,9 56:1
58:5 78:9 81:7
82:7,11 93:9 95:24
131:5 136:6
NARUCRELATED
83:8
nation
96:12
national
13:22 33:25 47:8
58:1,9 136:9,12
nationally
87:18,23 96:2
130:23

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nationwide
57:12
natural
14:13,14,17,18
16:15,16 47:10
75:21 87:11,12
naturally
86:22
nature
5:19 23:22 101:10
109:19
necessarily
15:12 75:12
needed
132:6
negative
8:17 48:10 65:14
79:19 125:25
negotiating
75:11,13
neighboring
125:6
nervous
62:2
network
28:16 30:16 53:6
88:19
news
67:18
newspaper
73:25 131:12
night
40:13 45:10 85:22
86:1 95:3 127:6
133:3 135:3,6,9,
10,12
nights
95:3
nobody's
57:11
nominated
37:22 71:11 109:3
non-commissioner
42:2
non-fault
118:10
noncompetitive
70:5
nondiscrimination
3:21
nonprofit
100:24 112:17
normal
57:18 127:25

North
124:17
Northeast
58:20
note
41:25
notes
6:25
notified
4:22 51:1 83:25
notify
128:25 135:17
notion
93:19
nuclear
14:2 16:20 17:1,2,
3,7,9,13,14,15,19
18:3,4,7,15,16
25:8,13 26:3 43:11
53:4,15,20,24
56:1,4,8,13,16,19,
21,23 57:11 58:3
70:10 87:18 88:7
89:11,14,15
132:15 136:23
nudging
45:2
number
7:18 28:17 47:1
53:10 78:9 79:3
102:22,25 103:15
117:10 125:5,10
numbers
14:24
numerous
101:17 103:6
106:10 114:1
115:23 117:5,17
O
O'neal
123:21 124:2,11
125:16,19 126:14
oath
27:18 116:25
obeying
117:4
objectives
56:12
obligation
21:3 54:14
obtain
106:4
obtained

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8:14 29:6 48:7
65:10 78:6 79:15
99:5 101:8 125:22
occasionally
105:10
occasions
117:5,18
occurred
83:22
offender
114:23
offenders
104:14
offered
22:18 39:7 55:1
90:23 111:13
133:11
offering
123:16
office
36:25 41:20 102:9
135:5
official
4:21
officially
4:23 69:13
officials
60:10
offshore
32:1 35:13 45:1
Oklahoma
14:24 15:4
on-line
5:8 36:2 43:11
138:24
ongoing
53:2 88:3 94:25
95:5 127:13
onshore
44:25
open
26:16 31:1 37:3
94:7 97:20 127:10
138:11,20
opening
5:14
operated
69:13
operation
57:14 69:8 77:3
operations
4:7 68:18 78:17,18
opinion
21:2 36:16 51:12,

16,17,18 76:5
107:12
opinions
11:25 12:10 15:10
36:10 51:4 54:12
69:16 84:5 107:4
129:6 131:8
opportunities
93:1,3,5 106:18
133:4
opportunity
4:10,14 7:13 24:23
29:15 46:15,18
63:21 65:20 77:23
81:9 90:17,19
98:21,22 110:16
114:18 129:1
133:7
opposed
62:17
opposing
59:20 85:11
opposite
88:6
opposition
88:12
order
5:3 21:19 46:3
86:4 121:24
ordinary
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organizations
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ORS
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OSHA
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outcome
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owned
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owner
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oxygen
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packet
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Pages
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paid
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paint
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Palmetto
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panels
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paper
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paperwork
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paradigm
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paralegal
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Pardon
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parents
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Parr
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part
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partiality
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parties
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71:10 83:24 91:2
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parts
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party
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passed
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passing
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past
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path
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pattern
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pay
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121:6,7 122:17,20
payer
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payers
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paying
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payroll
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pays
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PDQ
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Pee
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peers
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pencil
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pending
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perceive
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percent
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perception
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performance
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performed
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period
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permit
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perpetrators
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person
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personally
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persons
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perspective
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Petroleum
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phone
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phones
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phonetic
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93:4 120:16
physical
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physically
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pick
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picture
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piece
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Piedmont
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Piggly
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pinch
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pipe
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pipeline
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pipelines
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Place
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plan
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planner
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Planners
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planning
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plant
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plants
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35:24 53:4,23
57:14 87:10 88:7,
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plate
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play
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player
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plays
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87:6
Pleas
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pledge
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pledges
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73:12 91:12 112:2
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pledging
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plenty
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Plumbing
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point
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poised
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pole
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policy
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policymakers
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political
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ponds
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poor
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population
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portion
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position
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possibly
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Post
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potential
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power
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power/public
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pray
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praying
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pre-construction
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pre-filed
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precinct
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preemptive
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prejudice
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preparation
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prepare
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preparing
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preservation
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president
7:21 78:10,11,14
pretty
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57:12,18 58:15
61:16 66:19 93:20
previously
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price
22:10
prices
14:17,18
pricing
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primarily
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primary
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printing
7:20
prior
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78:13 83:22 90:21
99:15 111:11
132:24 133:9
priority
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privacy
5:21
private
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pro
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problem
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93:2 104:4,8
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problems
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procedure
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procedures
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proceed
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proceeding
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proceedings
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process
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29:21,23 30:9 31:1
34:20 35:14 42:7
46:15 57:19 88:3
128:22
processed
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processes
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processing
119:18
produce
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product
69:12
production
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profession
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professional
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professors
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program
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104:13 114:2,22
progress
17:1 61:24 95:8
prohibited
50:20
prohibition
12:19,21
prohibits
23:6 41:7 73:12
91:12 112:2
133:25
project
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projections
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projects
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promise
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promote
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properly
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property
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protect
129:18
protection
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68:7 83:4 103:23
105:1 128:12
proud
136:5,17
prove
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proven
19:21 115:18
provide
10:23 82:25 92:19
110:25 124:14
128:9
provided
51:13
prudence
137:23
prudency
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PSC
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71:14 76:18 91:25
98:23
PSC'S
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public
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11:15 20:17,22
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73:13,14 74:7
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public's
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publicity
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pull
122:15
PURC
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purpose
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93:22 132:10
pursuant
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push
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put
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34:18 35:16 53:8,
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136:12
putting
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qualification
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qualifications
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qualified
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59:21 76:14 95:13
101:19 137:16
qualifies
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qualify
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quality
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question
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13:25 14:9 23:25
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95:12 110:21
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questioned
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questioning
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questionnaire
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99:20,23 100:1,8
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questions
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quick
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quote
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race
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109:6
raise
124:10 137:11
raised
18:23
ramp
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Randall
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47:1,5,12,16 48:1,
4,11,14,15,24
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Randall's
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Randy
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range
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rate
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raw
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re-offending
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reach
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reached
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read
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42:6,7 67:25 68:2
73:24 105:22,24
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reading
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93:14 102:16
106:22 107:21
ready
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real
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75:15
realize
20:5 127:15
realm
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reason
13:9,12,13 35:22
39:25 45:17 67:12
89:20
reasonable
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reasons
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89:9 101:18
rebuttal
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recall
117:20
receipt
19:25
receive
110:14 113:1
115:9
received
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39:4 46:20,22
54:23 73:3 90:20
96:13 99:3 111:10
119:16 133:8
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receives
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receiving
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107:11
recent
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recently
31:17 34:25 36:4
47:2 52:22,23
92:12
reception
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receptions
12:1,6 36:11,15
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129:7,12
recess
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recognition
31:15
recognized
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record
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10:22 28:25 29:8
32:21 47:19,24
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65:4,12 66:7 77:13
79:2,7,17 81:13
82:25 83:23,25
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24,25 117:2,13
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122:15,17 123:4,
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126:13 128:8
136:4
recordings
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records
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recover
53:17
recovered
53:21
recovery
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123:14
recruit
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redacted
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93:15 99:25
125:11
redacting
65:5
reduced
87:1
redundancy
31:22 36:7
reelected
23:10 55:18 91:17
134:5
reevaluated
37:22 71:11 109:3
referee
84:21
referenced
40:20
referred
93:24
referring
86:15,17
regional
88:13 99:14
registered
9:9,12 32:24 33:2
49:1 66:10,13
81:16,19 102:11,
14,15 126:16,19
registration
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regularly
114:14
regulate
21:25
regulated
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regulates
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regulating
110:10
regulation
14:19 17:21
regulations
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regulatory
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Rehabilitation
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related
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relates
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relating
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released
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111:20 133:18
reliability
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76:8 89:22
reliable
21:15,21 89:22
92:20
religion
37:25 71:25 109:6
relish
32:4
reluctant
16:14
rely
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remain
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remains
122:8,10
remedy
108:13
remember
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72:19 118:24
119:1
remind
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removed
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Renaissance
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renewable
25:11 26:5,6 35:10
70:11
renewables
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Renewal
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Repair
121:21
rephrase
86:8
report
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11:22 22:24 23:7
39:13 41:8 50:22
65:13 71:3 73:13
91:4,13 100:4
111:19 112:3
118:7 119:6 120:7,
25 121:11,12

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133:17 134:1
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reportable
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reported
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reporter
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reports
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128:6
represent
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136:11
representative
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74:9,25 75:2,5
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representatives
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representing
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request
28:23 40:1,24,25
47:17,21 65:2
78:25 79:4 99:22
101:10 112:25
125:7 135:12
requested
104:12
requests
4:24
require
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required
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135:17
requirements
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requires
115:1
research
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62:6 127:23
residential
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resign
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resigned
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resilience
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Resource
30:17
resources
101:21
respect
4:4,10 30:2 72:6
respectful
30:7
respond
31:22
response
26:10 63:1 77:6
116:10
responsibilities
11:6
responsible
68:22 69:6,8
104:16 122:19
rest
38:8 70:11
restraining
121:24
result
13:21
resulted
119:24
results
8:18
retaliating
114:10
retired
10:19 74:20 87:10
retirement
64:22 124:23
return
64:10 69:10
revealed
8:17 29:9 79:18
125:25
revenue
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review
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20 6:3 10:21 11:25

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18,20 20:11,15,19,
23 24:22 30:4 32:9
36:10 42:19 43:3
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79:5,6,24 82:23,24
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90:10,11 94:23
107:4 113:17
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reviewed
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reviewing
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reviews
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revise
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revised
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revision
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revisions
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rights
53:22
RL
7:20
Road
32:22 66:8
rocks
23:23
role
13:7 29:25 30:2,21
34:14 38:15 42:20
50:3 52:10 64:21
69:24 72:8 75:24,
25 85:19 91:25
93:6 96:25 109:25
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roles
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room
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rotating
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row
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rule
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rules
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75:13,17 84:22
108:8
ruling
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rulings
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run
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running
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runs
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rural
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S
safe
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safety
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Saleem
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sales
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satisfy
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save
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saved
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savings
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scale
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scatus
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SCE&G
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schedule
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scheduled
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school
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science
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score
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scores
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Scouts
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screen
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screened
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screening
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25 6:6 7:2 22:20
27:7 39:9,13 46:3,
5 47:23 55:3 63:10
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98:10 111:15,19
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21
screenings
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scrutinized
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sealed
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SEARUC
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82:7,11 97:3,4
seat
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seated
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seats
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Secretary
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section
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security
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91:25 92:15,23
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seek
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seeking
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91:12 112:2
133:25
seeping
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segments
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Senator
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senators
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sending
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Senn
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sense
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sentence
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sentences
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separate
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sequence
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sequestered
5:3 27:11,12
sequestration
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serve
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73:16 75:20 77:24
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served
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20,23 124:23
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service
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63:11 66:16,20
67:16 69:25 77:14
78:8 80:6 94:17
98:10 102:21
103:2 105:19
107:20 108:15
110:4,17 119:13
124:1,24 135:24
136:4 138:21
services
31:10,16 34:24
35:21 36:25 110:6,
13,14,15
serving
7:17 30:10 33:6
36:18 46:25 48:16
66:15 70:13 78:13
102:21 107:14
124:25 125:5
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session
5:16,24 6:1,17,21
26:12,15,16,17,18,
20 27:1,3 45:24
46:1 63:4,6,8,9
77:9,11 97:20,21
98:5 101:11
116:14,15,16,18,
21 122:9,10 138:8,
10,12,13,15,21
sessions
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set
21:13 30:14 54:1
67:9 134:23
setting
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severely
19:23
sewage
35:24
sewer
34:12 35:19 60:5
share
114:21,22
shared
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sharing
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sheet
11:4
shift
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shock
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short
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show
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114:7,15,16 118:9,
16 119:23 120:6,
12
showed
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137:2
showing
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shown
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shows
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119:6 123:2
shut
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133:2
side
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70:4,6 74:14 76:5,
6,19,20,23 85:10
signed
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similar
35:20
similarly
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SIMMONS
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simply
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sir
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47:16 55:4 68:12
75:8 124:5 134:16
135:23
sisters
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sit
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115:16
sitting
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situation
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17:23 36:22 57:19
83:15 94:10
107:18 108:11
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size
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skill
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skills
97:11
skimming
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SLED
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48:8 65:11,13
79:16,18 100:4
101:9 116:24
119:6 121:11,12
123:2,3 125:23,25
small
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smoothly
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social
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102:22,23 104:21,
22 125:10
solar
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61:16,18 62:4,7,15
70:12
sold
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someone's
38:20
sooner
131:18
sort
19:2 56:8 58:6
sorts
93:16
sought
22:15,18 39:4,7
54:23 55:1 73:3
90:20,23 111:10,
13 133:8,11
sound
29:16
sounds
65:1
source
35:17
sources
110:24
South
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30:15,25 32:23
44:24 48:25 56:7

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66:9 70:1,2,7
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25 87:7,16,19
92:20 94:22 96:2
97:1,5,14 99:8,16
102:8,9 106:9,20
110:19,22 121:16,
18 125:2 126:15
130:22 136:10,25
Southeast
28:16
spanned
34:22
speak
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77:24 85:15
105:10 109:15
123:4
speaking
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Spearman
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special
99:13 104:23
specific
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specifically
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speed
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134:25
speeding
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118:19
speedy
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spent
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spirit
30:1
spoke
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spoken
123:10
spread
58:21
stability
54:18
staff
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20:2 27:22 46:13
49:16,18 50:3,5,9,
13,23 63:20,24
77:22 82:2,14,16

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127:9,11,12,17,22
128:2,3
stance
93:13
stand
25:6 113:18
128:15
standards
13:6 104:6
standing
138:17
start
5:24 6:12,20 7:3
9:18 49:9 62:3
67:19 92:25 97:24
98:6 126:23
started
44:15 78:15 87:9
95:1 114:3 126:9
starting
64:16
starts
15:9 49:12
state
3:23 8:16 9:5 15:4,
7,15 22:4 29:8
30:21 32:20 37:18
48:9,22 54:11,20
65:12 66:6 74:12
79:17 81:12 97:12
102:4 105:7,11
108:24 121:18
125:24 126:12
127:15 131:23
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stated
121:3
statement
4:10 8:22 29:13
48:14 57:10 65:17
79:22 101:14,15
102:19 126:4
states
24:25 56:23 100:8
statistics
3:15 34:9 83:5
103:24 105:2
128:14
stats
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statute
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statutory
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stay
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27:2 45:23 63:3
68:17 77:8 87:4
97:18 106:25
116:12 126:8
steady
114:6
steam
67:5 68:20
steamer
67:4
step
6:18 26:22 77:9
116:13
stern
72:13
sternness
13:7 38:15,17
52:10,15 72:8,11
85:19,23 109:25
130:8,10,13
stick
6:4
sticktoitness
41:23
stop
128:22
stopped
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store
119:11
Street
20:7,8 48:25
strengths
30:5
stress
21:1
stricter
18:1
stronger
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struggling
44:11
studies
16:11
study
127:20
studying
42:3
stuff
5:9 12:12 75:16
subcommittee
4:15,24 5:16 7:25

11:11,12 29:11,15
48:12 56:1,20
79:20 126:2
subject
6:3 37:17 51:20
108:23 120:6
submit
104:17 112:24,25
submitted
4:21 28:21 41:8
91:13 99:20 112:3,
19 134:1
substantial
3:11
substantive
4:5,25
successes
30:24 42:13
successful
30:15
sued
121:11 122:2,7,15,
24
suggest
117:4
suits
121:22
summarization
99:1
summarize
7:13 46:18 64:1
summary
28:2 78:3 124:14
Summer
53:5 94:24
summons
118:6
Sunday
40:13
superintendent
64:17
superintendent/
manager
64:21
supervise
64:18
supervisor
64:16 99:10
supply
92:1 132:2
support
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Supreme
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surgery
123:14
Sustainability
28:12,16
Swain
77:16,19 79:9,12
81:14
swear
7:5,8 63:16 124:8
switch
88:18
switched
87:10 88:18
sworn
7:11 27:20 46:9,11
63:18 77:18,20
98:16,18 124:12
system
36:1,5 58:3 62:21
67:17 71:16 88:19
92:25 100:23
101:1 113:5,10
systems
67:2 93:4
T
table
26:1 44:8 45:2
60:3
tact
127:11
takers
106:12
takes
15:13 122:14
talk
18:11 49:17 50:19
talked
25:12 68:9 119:8
122:9
talking
14:23 17:19 22:5
33:23 36:24 49:19
52:6 53:3 58:9
61:12 62:14,16,21
95:7 117:9 120:10,
16,20 137:9
tanks
21:22
task
31:25 35:10,15

taught
106:10
tax
120:4,6,9,24 121:3
122:25 123:8
taxes
121:4,8
taxi
110:6,8
team
103:10 115:12
Tech
64:5
technical
49:18 50:9 99:5
technological
24:3
technologically
25:20
technologies
53:25
technology
25:21 26:7 78:11
telecom
19:2,9 52:24 68:7
88:16,20 96:20
136:7
telecommunication
104:1,2 110:15
telecommunication
s
3:13 34:7 68:24
83:4 103:22
104:25 110:11
128:12
telephone
30:19 50:12
telling
40:8
temper
130:14
temperament
30:6
ten
6:6 24:15 70:10
118:13 122:4
ten-year
117:13
Tens
15:14
tenure
59:4
term
23:9 41:12 43:15

52:17 55:17 73:16
79:25 81:2,3 88:1
91:16 97:14 112:7
133:3 134:4 136:9
terms
43:5,7 80:2 95:7
terrible
106:12
territory
70:1
test
30:5 60:20 106:11,
12,15 115:16
137:23
testified
7:11 27:20 46:11
63:18 77:20 98:18
124:12
testify
42:21 60:16
testimony
10:8,10 20:2 27:10
49:13 84:18,19
127:19
testing
44:22 45:1
tests
115:17,18
Texas
15:16
texting
5:8 6:23 27:13
there'd
13:3
thick
87:25
thing
14:4 17:12 19:13
20:5 21:19 37:10
44:6 49:25 53:22
54:10 62:22 72:5
74:14 76:11 88:15
89:3 95:22 106:10
114:10 127:13
128:21 130:22
131:8 136:18
137:2,7,8,19
things
49:12,14,19 50:8
56:14 57:16 60:7,
19 62:12 65:24
69:2,7 74:13,17
75:15 81:3,25 83:8
88:1,24 89:10
91:23 92:10,22
93:16,20 94:1,5,6,
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thinking
42:24 44:20,21
59:24 67:19
thoroughness
29:21
thought
11:21 14:22 45:10
65:24 74:3 87:23
130:1
thoughts
131:9
thousands
15:15
threats
88:24
three-year
59:4
Thursday
10:4 127:6
ticket
86:13 118:6
tie
103:12
Tier
96:8
till
124:21
time
4:22 6:16,20 10:7
13:16 14:12 16:23,
24 22:6 25:21
29:19,20 30:4
32:7,8 34:6 37:10
41:22 42:16 44:15
47:5 49:15 51:15
54:9 56:18 57:17
58:4 60:15,25 63:2
65:3 75:16 76:8
81:5 83:19,23
90:16,17 101:12
103:21 107:24,25
108:18,19 109:23
114:6 127:23
128:4 129:20
130:14 134:15,25
137:10
times
52:13 80:11 85:3,4
115:16 118:5
127:24
title
101:2
today
4:8 8:5 17:17,18
44:16 101:16

126:6 138:22
told
14:25 115:14
tomorrow
123:12
top
40:10,11 86:10
93:11,21,22
topic
103:14
topics
86:20 130:16,20
131:6
total
96:11 117:2
totally
85:14
touch
20:14 37:6 105:13
touched
82:12 102:18
tough
32:6
town
40:8
track
15:2,3,21
trading
109:16,17
traffic
14:5
training
80:23 95:15,23
96:5,8,11,15 97:8,
11 104:3 106:23
115:9
transcript
138:23
transfer
110:7
transferred
64:15
transferring
64:4
transition
88:19 96:19
transparency
133:6
transpired
98:8 129:1
transportation
30:16 31:15 53:6
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127:3 131:14
travel
103:10
traveled
101:22
traveling
101:23
treat
51:23 72:5,6
treated
15:23 51:24 72:7
84:25 85:25
114:23,24
treating
67:3 68:22
treatment
23:21 24:23 35:24
67:5 68:23
tremendous
14:6
trial
119:24,25
trucking
7:22 78:16
true
31:14 80:9 120:23
Trustees
78:22
tsunami
18:3,5,6
Tuesday
127:2,5
Turbine
44:22
turn
7:4 11:22 27:21
46:12 63:23 77:22
turned
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tweeting
5:9 6:23 27:13
Twenty-four
38:13
type
10:13 22:8 41:1
53:22 69:2,3,11
70:12,24,25 76:4
77:3 82:13 92:25
100:13 127:8
130:3
types
75:15
Typically
92:17

U
U.S.
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ultimately
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unbiased
84:16
uncles
109:14
uncomfortable
11:21
understand
12:16 29:25 35:12
42:11 43:2 45:12
103:11 129:21
131:4 137:22,23
understanding
29:22 33:22,24,25
35:14 36:5 38:5
45:15 103:1
understood
40:16 45:13 76:21
unfinished
136:21
unintelligible
13:3
unit
87:22
United
112:24
units
87:20,22 94:23,24
University
28:5 46:23 64:4,5,
11 78:7 99:7
106:9,20
unreasonable
5:20
unruly
86:2
upcoming
49:18 70:21,22
95:9
updated
82:10
upfront
13:24
Upstate
87:13
urban
28:6,9 68:20
USA

17:17
Users
74:10
utilities
31:10 47:22 53:16
54:18 58:14,15
59:19 61:15 64:15,
19,20 66:18 79:6
82:24 87:9 89:12
95:19 103:2
125:12 128:7
utility
4:5 20:8 21:5,15
30:25 31:19 34:1
43:1 50:24 51:13
54:15 60:2 69:5,16
73:14 76:1 82:10
V
V.C.
53:4 94:24
valuable
37:8
variance
49:24
varies
9:16,17
variety
44:9
vehicles
31:16
veil
63:8 97:22
versus
17:5 21:4 54:15
121:13,14,15,16,
18,19,21,24
vice
11:7,9,10 78:10,11
92:9 96:24 97:7
view
56:3 85:11
viewing
105:7
viewpoint
21:1
violation
117:16 118:6
119:5 123:1
violations
117:3,14 118:1,19
violence
99:9 100:9 101:4
104:7 112:15

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Virginia
28:7
virtually
9:24
vision
31:7
vocation
68:22
Vocational
99:16
Vogtle
57:13
voice
20:18 90:9 132:23
voices
54:5
vote
9:12 10:1 24:20
33:2 49:4 81:19
102:14 109:17
voter
9:9 32:24 49:1
66:10 81:16
102:11 126:16
voter's
102:16
voting
109:16
Voyager
66:8
W
waiting
5:12 17:21 27:5
57:6 97:7
Wake
28:4
walk
138:1
Wall
20:7,8 42:7
wanted
40:22 53:8 114:4
wanting
11:14 36:20 50:15
83:13 107:16
128:18
waste
56:19,21,24 60:6
67:5 68:23 110:5,8
wastewater
3:15 16:2 23:21
34:8 68:8 82:20
103:24 105:1

128:13
watching
25:1
water
3:14 11:9,10
15:14,18,19,21
16:1,6,7,9,12,17
21:17,24 23:17
24:4,19 31:9,19
34:8,12 35:19
36:1,5 60:5 67:2,3,
4,15 68:7,23 82:20
103:23 105:1
110:8 128:13
water/wastewater
83:5
Waterfront
9:8
waters
32:1
wave
62:5
ways
30:19 57:4 58:16
70:23
weather-related
36:8
web
32:10
Wednesday
9:24 10:3 49:21
127:5
week
38:14 52:8,9 82:4
83:9 92:12 127:2
129:22
week/24
38:11
weekend
39:17
weigh
21:6 84:17
weighing
21:4 54:14
wells
15:6,15,17,19 16:5
West
48:24
White
119:9,16
Whitfield
77:16,17,19 78:6,
14,20 79:9,12,15,
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Whitfield's
78:4,25 79:5
Whomever
119:13
wide
115:1
widely
87:3
Wiggly
119:11,17,19
William
63:11,17 65:7 66:8
Williams
7:21 27:9,16,19,
24,25 28:19,22
29:3,6,10,14,18
32:22 39:16 43:25
Williams'
28:2,24
wind
32:1 35:13 44:22
45:1 62:6
Winnsboro
78:23 81:15
Winthrop
64:11
wipe
18:4
wireless
19:7
wise
25:2,3
wishes
70:15
withstand
36:7
wonderful
80:8 81:1
word
21:6 132:21
work
9:20 18:16 30:12
31:2,23 32:3 34:14
38:6,8 45:10 61:24
67:10 99:6,7
100:8,23 106:6
115:12 119:10
126:9 127:12,21
132:15 134:19
138:22
workday
9:14,16 49:6 81:21
126:21
worked
7:17,22 47:1 64:22

78:16 99:8,11
124:21,22,23
130:1 132:14
worker
99:14 102:22
104:21,22
workers
102:23
working
31:9,18 34:25
35:12,25 36:4
44:15 61:17
104:22 114:8
115:6 131:17
132:1 134:19
works
28:13 62:20 65:23
101:1
world
21:23 85:15
worried
22:10 58:11
worth
138:2
worthy
48:17
Wow
45:9 49:8 59:6
wrap
122:23
Wright
134:16
written
4:2

131:17 132:4
135:24 136:24
137:6
York
66:9 71:12 75:20
Youmans
78:18
young
19:14
Yucca
56:22

Y
y'all
19:7 76:18 134:15
135:4 138:13
year
15:1 80:19 90:13
96:10,13 104:17
years
11:8 15:1 24:15
25:10,11 26:7
30:8,17 32:8 33:12
35:12 42:18 44:8
45:12 47:4 48:17
57:12,18 68:14,16
74:6,22,23 80:4,18
81:4 84:2 85:14
91:24 94:16 95:17,
20,25 96:3,6,18
114:3 115:23
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