UNCLASSIFIED TESTIMONY OF CARTER PAGE Thursday, November 2, 2017 U.S. House of Representatives,? Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Washington, D.C. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 9:40 in Room the Capitol, the Honorable K. Michael Conaway presiding. Present: Representatives Conaway, King, LoBiondo, Rooney, Ros-Lehtinen, Turner, Wenstrup, Crawford, Gowdy, Stefanik, Hurd, Schiff, Himes, Sewell, Carson, Speier, Quigley, Swalwell, Castro, and Heck. UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASS IFIED MR. CONAWAY: A quorum being present, the committee will come to order. I would like to welcome our witness, Dr. Carter Page. Thank you for being with us today. As a reminder to our members, we are and will remain in open sessiOn. This hearing will address only unclassified matters. Although this hearing is closed, a transcript will be produced and released to the public. Before we begin, I would like to take a few housekeeping matters. First, without objection, I move that each side shall be given 30 minutes each to ask Dr. Page questions. At the end of each 60?minute interval, I will ask unanimous consent to continue the alternating 30?minute rounds. Without further objection, the chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any time. At this time, I would like the witness to raise his right hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you will give the committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? MR. PAGE: ldo. MR. CONAWAY: Thank you. Dr. Page, before I give you the opportunity to make a brief opening statement, I would like to cover some basic information as well as provide you with the ground rules regarding today's hearing. First, the record today will reflect that the committee sent you a letter on May the 9th, 2017, May of 2017, requesting that you produce documents and appear before the committee for a voluntary interview. You responded by a letter, dated May 22nd, a copy of which, without objection, will be entered and included in the record. 2 [The information followszj UNCLASS IFIED UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED 1:3? if GLOBAL ENERGY CAPITAL LLC {dc May 22, 2017 BY CERTIFIEDUS. ELECTRONIC MAIL The Honorable K. Michael Conaway and Adam Schiff US. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) - Capitol VisitOr Center HVC-304 US Capitol Building Washington, DC 20515 Dear Congressman Conaway and Congressman .Schiff: Thank you for your recent correspOndence requesting information regarding governinentactive measures directed at the election. In support of your ongoing-efforts and to help set the stage. for my upcoming testimony before your COmrn'ittee, I am pleased to present this initial collectionof evidence to which should signi?cantly contribute to the discovery of facts. Within your inVestigation?s publicly anno'unCed parameters. Having apparently come up with limited. substance thus far, much of the other ongoing discourse on matters related to Russia in both chambers of the US. Congress as well as throughout our great country has become desperately tall-encompassing and increasingly tangential. This race to the bottom in terms of irreleVancy has often only created further confusion in. and damage to Arnerica. Rather than assist in the aetual. pursuit of truth, the deceptive. smo?kescreen of leaks has ?irtherexacerbated Current misunderstandings since most of that dialogue has remained "behind a selective cIOud of partial secrecy. But in contrast, four highly-focused and analytic questions as set for your investigation 011?M341'0h?if, 20.17, re?ect a distinct level of thoughtfulness and offer a constructive framework for analysis.1 I greatly appreciate this Opportunity to help set the record Straight on each :of these four points following the false evidence, other illegal activities as 'Well as additional extensiVe lies distributed by the Clinton campaign and their transnational associates. Working in coordination with the Obama Administration, their transnational criminal associates which severely detained me, many other supporters of the Trump campaign and our democracy in general Should hepe?tlly soon gain full exposure. Unlike recent misleading illegal leaks, the proper. legal procedures of disClosu're currently underway should further assist in this precess. As per discussions with the HPSCI Senior Counsel for Counterter?rorism on'Friday?, I tentatively look forward to testifying on the record regarding these matters before. your Committee on Tuesday, June .6, 2017 . "In support of?that'forthcoming appearance, I ?have.jreCently been contact with Deputy Attorney General Rod Ros?enste'in, Special CounSel Robert Mueller and other Justice Department of?cials regarding the multiple outstanding requests for immediate 1 Devin Nunes and Adam Schiff?, ?Intelligence Committee Chairman, Ranking Member Establish Parameters for Russia InvestigatiOn,? House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence website, March 1, 20.17. 590 Madison Avenue. Ilst floor, New York. New York 10022 t: +1(212) 537 9258 +l(212) 537 9281 3 release of the illegitimate ISA warrants that were allegedly ?led by the Obama Administration against me in 2016.. My personal appeals for public disclosure have echoed recont loud cries acress? Arnerica?s political spectrum from leftto right, including the American C-iVil Liberties "on and Judicial Watch The Privacy Act of 1974* includes provisiOns which, ?Grant individuals the right to seek amendment of agency records maintained?on themselves upon "a showing that the records are not acourate, relevant, timely, or complete.?4 As a major affront to our democracy, the complete mockery that the Obama Administration allegedly made of the 2016 election makes such inime'diate steps" eSS'ential today, Whereas-l have never done anything wron?gin Russia, no documents, records, electronically stored infOrniation ineluding entail, recordings, data and tangible things could reasonably lead to the discovery of any facts within the investigation?s publicly announced parameters as it relates to actions by the RUSsian goVern'm'ent. As '?ir'ther proof of this reality, the forthcoming documents related to alle ed FISA warrant that currentl remains?omeWhat classi?ed and tem orari] withheld from the ublic the U.S. Government should such land to the discove of a lethora of hi 111 relevant facts within the investi ation?s p' blie?ly' announced parameters once disclosed. In the immortal words of Judge Robert Bork, an ?intellectual feast? at the time of their release. Although I understand that my forthcoming testimony might be held behind closed doors, 1 request that Some form offlive public access may be allowed. For example, either live- streamed via, the internet, on public-necess television or perhaps C-SPAN-S. It is important that the American public have an oppOrtunity to hear the truth following the outrageous allegations that have been made against me on behalf of the Clinton campaign. :On the one hand and despite a historic level of surveillance last year, it seems understandable that keeping the failure of the Trump-collusiOn conspiracy theOry covered up might offer a means of limiting the embarrassment of this dry hole dug by those who have eSporised such ideas. But since many 2 ?With just the stroke of a pen, President Trump could provide the public with the information necessary to assess. his claims that the Obarna administration improperly surveilled him and his associates? Neema Singh Guliani, ?How Trump Can Show Us Whether He Was Spied On,? ACLU Washington Markup. Blog, April, 13, 2017. A a 3 Press Room, ?Judicial Watch Sues for FBI Records'on UK Judicial Watch, May 16, 2017. records-uk-trumn-dessier? ?Hillary Clinton?s national security crimes included running the most highly classi?ed material the US. possesses acrossher outlaw server without legal consequence. if Communications Intelligence is used as a partisan political weapon without people. going to jail, we will have crossed the point "of no return for institutional corruption in our govermnent, our intelligence services and law enforcement? Chris Farrell, ?On Watch: Episode 11 ?Corrupt Weaponizing of Intelligence Collection?,? Judicial Watch, March 28, 2017. udicial l. ?corrupt- 4 Of?ce of Justice Programs, Bureau. of Justice Assistance. ?Privacy Act of 1974,15 U.S.C. Department of Justice. ?l 279] 1 members of your Committee seem legitimately interested in getting'to the bettom of'this whole story, it is only fair that some sort of a publicehearing might be similarly offered. The country deserVes an opportunity to hear my defense after the severely defamatory testimony by Mr. Comey in front of your Committee on national televisiOn in loyal support of the Clinton/Obama regune. - As reported in an unfortunate front-page Washington Post article about the civil rights abuSes committed against me which you might have seen: ?Applications for FISA warrants, Comey said, are .often thicker than his wrists, and that thickneSS represents all the work Justice Department attorneys and FBI agents haste to do to .convinCe a judge that suCh surveillance is appropriate in an investigation.? If his thickness is indeed the case for my Warrant, it will inevitably be ?lled with a potpourri of falsehoods from the Clinton/Chains regime which fabricated this travesty from the outset. For the United States to end the continued delusional Charade regarding Russia?s connections with the new?Administration, it is essential to gain public access to these related documents as a matter-ofthe highest urgency in. preparation for my planned testimony. Any assistance that HPSCI might be able to previde by further encouraging the federal authorities to. expedite this matter finiadvanCe of our tentative meeting on June 6 would be greatlyappreciated, both by me and innumerable Americans. While initial. steps have previously been taken by members of Congress to get to the bottom of these Civil rights injustices, Senator Grassley, Senator Feinstein,. Senator Graham and. other distinguished members of the Senate Judiciary Committee Congress ,haVe expressed related concerns about potential wrongdoing'by the US. Department'of Justice and the FBI in 2016. In the Wake of recent decisions by former "Obama Administration appointees including Mr. Comey which may potentially limit their ability to carry out their role as members of their Committee, they'have noted the constraint on their capabilities as, ?The primary oversight committee with broatsl jurisdiction over federal law enforcement, FISA andthe nomination of thenext FBI director.? Last week, Senator Lindsey Graham also noted, ?I?COng?iress- has pretty much been sidelined, not completely, but pretty much.? His comments related to the recent appointment of Special 5 Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous, obtained FISA warrant to monitor Trump adviSer Carter Page" Washington Past, April 12, 2017. set-warrant-to?monitor- 7/ 04/ 1'620 l: 92ea.~l eOe-l e7~ad 3a7512a6e93 a7 . I News Releases, ?Grassley, Feinstei?n? Extremely Disappointed with Comey?s Refusal to Testify before Judiciary Committee,? Senator Chuck Grassley website, May 19, 2017. v?tlisanpoi.nted- comev?s-rehmabtesti twinniciarv] Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) on Former FBI Director Comey?s Decision to Testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee and not'the Judiciary Committee,? of?cial Twitter feed for Senator Lindsey Graham, May 19, 201.7. LindsemehamSC/status/ 865732003 634831 84-01 Erin Kelly, ?Sen. Lindsey Graham says BI's Russia probe may block testimony to Congress,? USA Today,May 18, 2017. Counsel Mueller and the legal jeopardy this may create for some AmeriCans who have been sWept up in the ongoing witch hunt. But as President Trump noted at the US. Coast Guard Academy last Wednesday: ?Over the course of. your life, you will ?nd that things are not always fair. You will ?nd that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that arenot always warranted, But you have to put your head. down and fight, ?ght, ?ght. Never, ever, ever give up. Things will work cut just fine.?8 By all accounts, the-IClinton/Obama regime?s fake FISA warrant targeting me for exercising my First Arnendment rights is the meet Unwarranted abuse of power that I and most AmeriCans have witnessed in. any election throughout our lifetimes. We must get to the bottom of this as quickly and ef?ciently as possible. I cannot the need for transparency surrounding lastyear?s? apparent transgressions by the Government which HPSCI is helping to expose. I hope that my answers, to your four strategic questions below helps to partially ?ll that .gapr I A) Russian Government (the so-ealled ?Putin regime?) Although I played no role in any government active measures in the 2016 election other than being a. target of the Obama? AdminiStration?s efforts to Clinton?s campaign, the only discussion I can recall where WildLeaks even tangentially came up with any Russian occurred on the afternoon ofMo?nday, October 24, 2016. In the moments before recording a interview.10 at studios in London'where I was visiting for a few days 'on my way to Johannestrg', the host and staff mentioned in passing that the news they saw about WikiLeaks in the UK. paper?s seemed like it might potentially be interesting However, they anecdotally noted .in passing thatit was unfortunate that there was no way to ef?ciently Sort through the high number of documents which had been released. Based on this limited Verbal interaction, it seems unlikely that Russian entities such as. this television netWOrk Were in any way? directly involved in the WikiLeaks .eyber' activity. While I-have seen no de?nitive evidence to support the January 2017 intelligence report, my highly limited personal exposure to related- ll 7/05/ "1 probejmawhloclotest imoot-congress/ 1 Cl 842270/] Of?ce- ofthe Press Secretary, ?Remarks by President Trump. at United States Coast Guard Academy Commencement Ceremony,? 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