CRUMP: LANLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: SRUMP: IRUMP: .ANLER: RUMP: AWLER: QUMP: This will be a taped statement being made November the 2nd 1993 beginning at 10:28am, present in the room is Det. Crump Clark County Police and Jerry Lawler. Mr. Lawler I need you to state your full name for me please. Jerry O'Neil Lawler. And you date of birth sir? And your Social Security if you know it? He will be discussing case 93?10?1442, Mr. Lawler have you been advised of your rights? Yes. Do you understand your rights? Yes I do. This piece of paper that I have that says Advise of Rights, Interrogation, did I just read that to you? Yes. And is that your signature on the bottom? Yes It 15. UK, Mr. lawler have I explained to you why your her and the alligations against you? - Yes you have. What I would like for you to do is start at the beginning of that evening, I believe it was Tuesday and just tell me what you remember occuring. Are you familiar with these two young ladies that I told you about? Yes, I certainly am, I've, I've known both of them'for some time, I've known them for a year or two, they come into the matches every Tuesday night they were regular fans and I?ve always thought that I was basically friendly with both the girls, we do a thing at the Louisville Gardens where we will go out at intermissions and have pictures made, have Polroid pictures made with fans that want to have pictures made, and we charge them 5.00. And ordinarily, ordinarily I have, almost all the time my girlfriend comes with me and usually she would take the pictures and take the peoples money, but there have been a few instances where she wasn't with me, like and and have even helped me do the pictures and I?ve paid them money for helping me and that sort. of all the time without fail everytime I stay over, I usually stay in Sellersburg, everytime I stay over, you know, they would call my room, and talk on the phone, you know it I'm there by myself I?ll talk with them and so I have talked with them a number of times, and see them every week at the matches There is an area in the back where, theres an area in the back of Louisville Gardens sort of, I mean its away from like, you can't really see the matches from here where you would go out between, from the dressing areas and go behind where the bleachers are, seats would be, and restrooms are hack there and thorn ac ZRUMP: RUMP: AWLER: QUMP: a little area there where the wrestlers can stand and talk to, you know, its roped off, and fans know they can come back there and talk to the wrestlers without being in front of, where the wrestlers can_stand without being in front of the whole crowd, and bother them. OK. And a, and are regulars back at this area, I mean its, they obviously come to wrestling every week, but they don't spend that much time actually watching the matches. A..and.. you know I don't know the best way to describe them but, I mean you know, they are certainly not 13 year old Shirley Temple girls, or anything like that. A they, they are I guess maybe street wise or whatever, but certainly beyond their age, they.. is probibly less so than I mean I've always thought of as like, you know if you have ever looked up the word juvenile delinquent in the you would see her picture in the dictionary. She has always impressed me as being that kind of girl, I know that for a young teenage girl like that to cuss like a saylor always smoking, you know just what you would think a typical kind of bad teen- ager would be, on the other hand has always impressed me as being not quite that way, you know, a cute little girl and that kind of stuff, but still the things that they have, I know the things that they have said they have done, and the things that I have heard them talk about, you know, talk about doing, and actually see them doing, you know is another different story, and a I will tell you what, and the reason this is so weard is that there is some half truths to this story, but them the major part of it is..is..is.. is like totally made up, as is some of her stories she has told me about other escipades of hers, you know especially. I think are made up, at leist I hope they are, or else we are dealing with somebody that is really, I don't know how you would describe it, but Waht I'm taking about is like you know she has told me stories I'm trying to get at is I guess they have talked to the wrestlers about sex, you know and about wanting to do stuff I have got names, this one guy another wrestler, I was asking him you know these girls I?m talking about, and he said I know both of them, he said they have offered me, I mean I don't know I can You can talk, say anything you like. Oh Dk, he said they have offered to take me over behind the bleachers and give me blow jobs and stuff like that, and have even done, and I've even seen them do this, is like kiss each other and talk about lesbeian stuff, little and And but I don't know if I should start with that night or try to get what I have found out why this is all taking place. OK, lets go through that night first, and then we can backtrack to pick up what you found out. Alright, now that particular night, as far as them waiting outside, or anything I don't actually remember, weither I talked to them outside and you know I very seldom ever, I very seldon ever talk to them that much outside, its always a situation where when you leave the building you get right into your car right out of the back alley, now I talk to them all the time on the inside, but I remember them saying that now this was really not asking me if I was staying over, and I think they usually knew, cause like if I had my girlfriend with me, and this was another thing, I think a major part of this problem is because_of a run in between my girlfriend and this girl. UMP: NLER: IMD. and..and..and the've done things like a..we have a term for these girls around the wrestling, we sort of affectionatly refer to them as arena rats, its just like you know they are always scurring around the back, and like I said they are there not to watch wrestling, they are there for other reasons, and..and they will do things like claim to have done a lot of this, done a lot of things with a lot of individuals, to you know, to make somebody else mad, you know, in other words you have.this little group of girls who are all trying to outdo the other one, and try to out impress the other one and trying to say who they have been with, ot try to be with the different names of the wrestlers. A..just an incident that happened, that I can remember happening in Louisville one time was when was wrestling there, he had his wife with him and she went into the restroom there, and of course when ever any of these girls see the wives or girlfriends its like there is immediate jealousy there so these three girls followed her in there, and while they know she is within ear shot they start talking about oh well I was with last week, we was at his motel and we this and we that, you know and they actually ended up comming to blows and having a fist fight in there and so I mean I'm just telling you this is sort of the kind of stuff that goes on with these girls. And its certainly not just and theres I would say, you know, a group in Louisville of at leist 15 or 20 of them, that hang around back there and you know when I talk about the Sellersburg Days Inn sometimes its like a landing strip over there, you know, cars going around the place in a holding pattern or something. You know I don?t know if you have talked to anybody else about any of this thing but, you know, I wish you would check with like the manager of the Days Inn, and she will tell you these girls are there all the time a..she..she, you know, she told the people in Louisville that they will tell these girls to get off the lot, the girls will cuss the hotel manager, or if they throw them off the lot they will wait over at the Kentucky Fried Chicken place till they are not looking, and she said I told these girls that I wish I was your mother, no the girls said your not our mother or something like that and she said well I wish I was, you know, A..anyway getting back to that particular night I don,t even remember, I don't even remember anything being said about anything at the arena, I know that later on they called the Days Inn called my room, and Did they know your room number? No they didn't but, you know, its just a typical thing over there the desk people will put the calls through. They will put them threw? to the wrestlers, you know, so but they did ask me for my room number, well once again like I said it was ask for my room number, and so they had they had talked about skipping school the next day and comming over there, but this, like I said this is not, I mean you know, thats not the first time they had ever talked about it, I always looked at these two girls as being all talk, you know, because one time showed up there and said she was pregnant, she was claiming for two or three weeks that she was pregnant and and you know nothing ever came of that so, you know, they were just like I figured all talk, and I'll tell you some of the other stories they had told me that they have, for the reason that makes me think that, so anyway she says something about they were going to skip school the next day, well any way and I really can't remember exactly what time it was, cause like I said I didn't really, I didn't even have a car I didn't drive to Louisville, so, as best as I can remember, it seems like it was about ll or 11:30 something like that. n-i wl-J-? LANLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LANLER: IUMP: No, no the next day The next morning? The next day, yea, I was stiII, I was stiII I was up and I was awake and every thing, not even dressed or anything yet, so anyway they then came and knocked on my door You did give them your room number when they caIIed that night? Yea, they ask me what room I was in and I gave it, I think it was 110 or 112 or something Iike that. Anyway I had toId them what room I was in so they came over, knocked on the door, and you know, I opened the door and the first thing I ask them was how did you get here, and they never wouId say they just said somebody dropped us off, and I remember Iooking out, you know, but I didn't see, of course they have a coupIe of girIfriends that have taken them pIaces..a..one named ..a..and one named..a.. I beIieve but anyway I Iooked to see if they I didn't see anybody, so you know, they, they, they thing that I hope I can I can get across is the fact that you know, I'm 43 years oId and I've been in this business for 23 years and a..you know, I've got two grown sons and a..I know you know, I mean, I've seen this kind of stuff for years and I know it goes on and I know where certainiy not going to put myseIf in a position of being with girIs that are underage, I mean, I?ve been through, I've seen guys, we had a wrestIer named who over in EvansviIIe Indiana he was doing a poIroid picture, Iike we taIked about doing at the arenas, he was doing a poIiroid picture thing, and he was wrestIing as Iike one of the Ninja TurtIes and, and, he had put on a turtIe outfit and a..and you know a big mask and this kind of stuff on and he took a picture with I don't know maybe a 7 or 9 year oId IittIe girI in the arena or something, and wound up then this IittIe girIs mother, came and fiIed some kind of charge against him, and he wound up going to jaiI, and you know it was a big horribIe deaI, you know, and a. you know just not, I'm just not going to put myseIf in that kind of position, I know better than to do that, a..anyway they, what they did when they showed up at the door there, they said can we use the phone, we got to use the phone because they had some kind of IittIe eIaborate scheme where they had Ieft their phones off the hook said Iike her mother a..a..her mother boyfriend Iived next door to them and she, her mother wouId Ieave and go over there in the evenings and then spend basicaIIy the night next door at her boyfriends, then come back maybe 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, and you know she had said her mother wouId be over there asIeep after being out reaI Iate and she had taken the phone off the hookin the other room so that when the schooI caIIed home, the Iine wouId be busy. 0K. Now I remember thats exactIy what said, I?m not sure if had done a simuIar thing, anyway they wanted to use the phone so whiIe, whiIe they were using the phone I said Iook I'm going to go downstairs and get the keys to the car, so whiIe they are using the phone I went down stairs and got the keys to car and as soon as I got back up there I said here is what I do on Wednesdays girIs, I said I go .I don't hang around the room I go, I said I go to, now their stranded there too, I said I go to the maII or I go out shopping or whatever, and I said you are weIcome to go with me or whatever, but I'm not staying here, so anyway, we went we wound up, as soon as I got back up there we went out, went out and got in the car, and I don't even remember, I do remember going to VaIue City, I don't remember where we ate or anything, but anyway we just waIked around stores, cause we wrestIe in nri Tumrrinw ninhi?c fin/?I an Unrinnr?r?in?m hm RUMP: ZRUMP: -AWLER: IRUMP: ANLER: RUMP: AWLER: RUMP: ANLER: QUMP: .WLER: UMP: NLER: And the people at that hotel are nice enough to give us a late checkout, and so we don't have to leave till about 5:00, so you just basically kind of kill the day over here, and then you know, leave at 5:00 and drive up to the other match, so you know, anyway just went to some stores or whatever and then they are saying that, I don't know what time around 3:00 or a little before 3:00 something like that they had to be back, cause thats when school would let out, and so they ask if I would take them home and I said no I'm not, I will not take you home but I will, I Said I will take you on and drop you off at Louisville Gardens, and I said I don't even know my way around Louisville other than you know, how to get to Louisville Gardens and how to get to the airport, so anyway..a.. and I have no idea if they live within walking distance of Louisville Gardens or whatever, but anyway after around, I guess around 2:30 or 3:00 something like that, I took them and dropped them off at Louisville Gardens, and that was it. OK, you knew they were skipping school? Yea, well I mean they told me they were. I mean it was a school day though Yea. And you still toted them around with you? Yea, I did, that was dumb wasn't it Well not the best choice you Nell I..I guess..I guess I guess all I was thinking was that a..I didn?t want them there at the motel, you know, and another thing is there is a, you know, since all of this has come about I have done some checking and stuff, there I've got the name and number of the guy that was staying?in the room next door who fortunatily had, I mean he had his door Open, and saw the girls arrive UK. And saw me leave, and then knows that it couldn't have been more that 10 minutes from the time they arrived till the time they left. Have you got that with you? Yes. UK, before you leave today I would like to get that so that I can talk to him. A..Why are they singleing you out, I mean its one thing to say to their buddies that they had sex with a wrestler or pro football player or basketball player whoever, but to come to the authorities and say it. Well they didn't come to the authorities, they never went to anybody, the way this whole thing came about is there is a guy named have you ever heard that name? Yes. Ok a guy named who is 25 years old he was, he used to be sisters boyfriend, well, he has and this is stuff that Just has been, some of this stuff I know for a fact, some of it has kind of Just been told to me, he was ?riml alien mnrr??rl with n?m 'hn 1-1? h? lr'inr'i'nvi ,rump; awler; sisters boyfriend, but he is, he has like, 0K, all of friends will tell you, he has a strange relationship with he was almost like obsessed with her, but now she don't, she don't want to have nothing to do with him anymore other than the fact that she, he lets her drive his car and supposidly is like real overly protective of her, he hates, I mean he goes to wrestling, he goes to wrestling matches every Tuesday night and sits outside he does not come in, he is there every Tuesday night in a white car, a white car or truck or something with these neon lights under it, anyway he sits out in the back area there and just watches everybody that comes out, and watches and all this kind of stuff. Well anyway this guy, this caught having sex with a black guy, who lives down the street from where they live, well this guy went off on now this, this just happened right before all of this come out. This would have been before the Tuesday when all your Oh no this stuff is like back in May, this happened just recently, so he starts really going off on and..because like he is real jealious so then I think that for to either to, I don't know, to either get back at him or shut him up or whatever, she comes up with this story, well I've been with a lot of people, this is not, this is not the only guy I've been with, you know, so she starts comming up with I don't know, who all she told a bunch of names too, supposdly she had been with. Well then this guy, goes to mother and tells her this story, well her mother a..a..whom I have talked to, and a..and she has admitted to me, and I even have it in a taped conversation that lies to her all the time, and that at home acts like she is her little girl but she knows when she gets out that it is a different story, and especially when she is around . so anyway, he goes to her mother and her mother obviously knowing the situation, here he is telling ehr that her daughter has been caught having sex with a black guy and is telling her that her daughter has said that she is doing all this kind of stuff her mother just says look you know, I'll take care of this, just go on I'll take care of this, well..a..I don't know if, I don't know if just because her mother knows what kind of daughter she has, or what the deal is, but her mother didn't do anything about it, I mean I guess she talked to and then I don't know if told her mother the same story or what, but anyway, her mother did nothing, well, Then this goes to Louisville Gardens and says that he is custodial parent and tells them that all of your wrestlers are messing with my duaghter, and then he went to the police, he is the guy who went to the police and told the story. So then the police went to and then a..then I guess I don't know, and then they told this story and plus some other stories and stuff were two, I guess there were two detectives that talked to her origionally, then a..they turned it over to like a prosecutor, who's name was Lisa Swickert, so then Now at this time nobody has said anything I hadn't even heard anything about this or anything, and then a friend of mine who is a policeman at Louisville Gardens he knew the two detectives and they told him about it and so then come and ask me about it he said do you know anything about this and I said wel I know these girls but as far as ever messing with them or anything like that, other than seeing them at the matches, and then I did say that they did come over to my room at a..Sellersburg, and we went to the mall or went to the store or something like that, and then I dropped them off, but other than that thats it, and when he ask me about it, I didn't think a thing about it, because you know, I..I knew nothing had happened so I didn't think that much about it. And then like a week later, he cal ed me back, and he said this is kind of a serious deal they are checking in on this kind of stuff and so thats when I called the I called and her mother, you know, and her mother said her mother was like, well, a..you know.. of course she didn't volunteer the 1 5 IL lv?lwel' - CRUMP: LANLER: CRUMP: IRUMP: .AWLER: RUMP: QWLER: she said what happened, and she toId me, she said what happened was you know was a..down here and she caught messing with some IittIe boy or something in the neighborhoodwent over to the poIice and she said then the poiice came over here, and a, she said they they, I don't know how she said it or whatever, but anyway, she said they made cry, and everything and she was upset and expeciaIIy mad at this prosecutor Iady a..weII anyway when I finaIIy taIked to her the prosecutor had been over there twice, and she said the first time they came over she said I toid them, I toid them to not to come back she said we didn't want to we didn't want to, Iike you said we didn't want to go through this, and didn't want to go through that and stuff, and and she said that, she caIIed she said that bitch Lisa Swakert, she started screaming at us and and said its not up to you weither you want to go through this or not and that stuff and so anyway then, and then, and then when I taIked to said that, that, that the girI Lisa Swakert or somebody had threatened them that someboy wouid take their kids away from them, you know, as being unfit mothers if they didn't make sure this was being prosecuted, so I'm trying to think of it anyway, that time I said why, I said why are you teIIing of this, why don't you just teII them this, that that stuff didn't happen, you know, I know you were over there and everything, but why are you doing this thing, and she said weII then they have told us we can't change our Now who said this? is that one of the taped conversations that you have?- I think so. UK. They said we can't change our story and, and then the mother said we toid her that we thought we needed to get a Iawyer, and she said you don't need no Iawyer I'm your Iawyer. So anyway to why you know, as to why the story is going Iike this I, I reaiiy feeI Iike it goes back to this giri had a run in with my girIfriend, in, in a LouisviIIe, as a matter of fact on two different occasions where just, when I say run in it was just Iike Are we stiII on Yea we're on go on. Like say one week my girIfriend wasn't there and I'm out there and I taik to them and that sort of stuff, then everything is fine and and then if Iike the next week my girifriend is there and the onIy time the poiroid pictures then they are mad then they are upset, weii then Iike we were doing the poIroid pictures one weekend and I don't reaiiy think it was but I certain it was though, she wouid walk by and say Iike bitch, you know siut, whore, you know that kind of stuff as she is waiking back and forth, so much so untiI finaiiy my girifriend grabbed her by the arm you know, pinching her arm, and said now iet me teII you something, you don't be taIking to me that way and if thats the best you can do, you know, then stay, stay away, so anyway I know they did have that IittIe number and I know there has been you know kind of sat giri off. As to,uniess uniess, I, I you know in taIking to them, I didn't fee] Iike it was a thing where they they thought they couId get money out of me or anything Iike that, other than the fact, other than the fact that with the girI, and see her mother a150, mother. is Iike a former arena "at CRUMP: LAWLER: AWLER: RUMP: ANLER: has always gone to wrestling, she used, was telling me she my mother went to wrestling and everything and she used to be engaged to which . was a wrestler back in, he got killed in 1976 but you know this was back before that, so that is how long she has been going to wrestling, and it was the same type of thing and was married and you know she was telling everybody that she was engaged to him, and this kind of stuff only, you know, the only thing that has ever been mentioned about money was that this detective or the prosecutor or somebody over there ask and her mother well has he offered you any money, you know, 0k. And I don't know if that could have put any ideas in their head, I mean, I don't know, other than the fact that they know..I..they just make up stories about their sexual activities that i just don't think are true also told me about guy named who has a painting company right actoss the street from their place and he's like 39 or 40 years old she said and the way they tell this stuff, is I mean its like they want to talk about it, that they want to appear, I think their problem is they know they are real young and they feel like boy this is our major drawback, how do we compete with these girls that are over 18, and so they go out of their way to do a lot of extra talking to about their sexual activity or supposidly sexual activity to try and make the wrestlers think hey these girls are OK and all this kind of stuff, you know, a..she had told me about supposidlu the first time she had ever had sex was with this guy, and its been an ongoing thing for a couple of years now, Who is this guy? His name is and he runs a painting business and she babysits for him and he has taken her to Florida, and he buys her jewelry and he offered to buy her said he was going to buy her a car when she gets to be 16. OK, now which one of the girls is that? Thats Thats Now a..the other thing is supposidly sexual activity, you know where she claimed to be pregnant, comming to the matches and claiming to be pregnant and all that stuff and this, this part of it mother admitted to, also has twin brothers that are 18 years old, one of them is named and i'm not sure about the other one, well anyway, and are doing it sexual, you know, they're supposidly doing it and so what you got there is just a you got a real weard little you got this who instigated all this stuff with the story of and also he had been told he said like I said you know, he hates for to go to wrestling, he would wait outside and watch her and all this kind of stuff, because I think he by somebody that on this, on this deal when he came up to the Louisville Gardens he said well I'm going to make sure that Jerry Lawler is out of wrestling so heks, he's got a little he's got a little vindetta there in the fact that he is obsessed with . and overly protective of her . unle?s the deal about my girlfriend, but then, you know, all of this stuff is ey are really doing all this stuff, then we are probibly dealing with two of the? biggest whores of the state, but I don?t think, you know I just don't believe they do all this stuff, I think they are talking, just because like I said CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LANLER: RUMP: AWLER: you know 23 years I've been around this day in and day out, and, and thats just usually what all this is. I talked, you know, I talked to guy,and Whats the story on him? Well is a married guy, who has two little, you know, two little babies and a..I've not met his wife, you know, just a wife and two little babies and a..he, I don't know well at all, I mean a lot of people think all the wrestlers know each other and thats just not true, but nothing could be further from the truth, I mean I've seen him at the matches, but thats it, you know, a..but I was talking to him on the phone about this and he literally started crying, and he said this could ruin my whole life, he said if they were, I think he was talking about Louisville or something, he said if they were to indict me, I believe I would kill myself. When did you talk to him? A.. like.. after I had talked to well see I didn't even know anything about or anything, and they told Is that before you got my letter? Oh yes, yea, yea, I haven't even talked to anybody after I got the letter, I mean this was had all taken place probibly last month or so, but I didn't even know anything about I didn't even know and even knew other than to see him wrestling, but then supposidly I don't know but supposidly said that she had been with him a couple of times, and I mean he would I mean he was swearing, I mean you know, I don't think I mean this is you and I talking i don't think he would have lied to me about it you know, he was crying and swearing, you know he was talking about his wife and baby he said I have not ever been with those girls, he said they have been, I have seen them at the hotels and another thing that I didn't know that he told me, I didn't realize that these two particular girls ever, you know came to the Days Inn in Indiana because like I said you know, I didn't know if they had that many ways to get around or anything, later on I found out that this guy black guy his name is I don't know his last name, well anyway he supposidly hauls them around. Is that the guy that she was involved with? that she got caught with? A..yea, but anyway he said they had been over there at the hotel, you know, several times I know there is always a bunch of girls but this time is the first time I had ever seen or at the Sellersburg Days Inn, but anyway he just that he has not done anything with either one of them, and like I said I don't know him well at all I just seen him wrestle a couple of times been on the same card with him and thats it, but.. OK. This is such a, you know, its such a frustrating thing, because this is you know, and like I was telling them over there, when your talking about, even the alligation of this stuff, you know, I mean I don't think that even if it were to have to go to court, or something like that, you know I would take a lie detector test, or any of that kind of stuff, I don't care I feel Without a doubt that there is some kind of way that it would be proven that they are lying but its just the aliigations made like this guy said you know, his family feel like the family would be ruined, carreer would be ruined so its a horrible thinn. CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: ZRUMP: -AWLER: RUMP: ANLER: RUMP: RWLER: WLER: UMP: TLER: 10 OK, They are saying that you picked them up at LouisviTIe Gardens, that morning. I did not do that, I did take them back to Gardens. They are saying that you took them to you hotel room in SeITersburg, is that true or not? No that is not true. they showed up at my room. They just showed up, they are saying that they preformed oraI sex on you at the hotei room in Seiiersburg, is that true? No that is not true. that they both preformed era] sex on me Yes. you are shaking your head, a tape recorder doesn't pick up a shake of the head. No I'm sorry I not true They are saying that you then took them to Taco to eat That probibiy is true I just, I reaTIy don't remember. Its possibie? Yea. Its possibie yes. They are saying that you then took them to VaIue City to shop, I think they said for fabric softener. but I'm not sure. That ciose, I was Tooking for a certain kind of iaundry detergent, that when I was there, Like I said, I go shopping there every week and at Vaiue City there they have a deal on some Taundry detergent that you can get about 5.00 cheaper than you can in MemphisVaiue City? I did yes. OK, they are saying whiIe there they ran into a young man that was aiso a fan of yours and you gave him an autograph I beiieve. I don't remember that but its possibIe, I mean its Iike that every where you go. OK, weII you did, so you just don't remember that. No. And then they are saying that you took them back to Gardens and dropped them off. I did do that. They are saying that you have caTIed them at home, severai times, Since this? Unhuh (yes) LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: ianER: SRUMP: ZRUMP: AWLER: RUMP: AWLER: RUMP: AWLER: QUMP: HWLER: WLER: JMP: JLER: Ian: 4P: ER: 11 Yes. And in an attempt to get them to change their stories. Not in an attempt to get them to change their stories, in an attempt to get them to tell the truth. OK, those are the alligations. I understand. And the reason that I put them specifically to you like that one at a time so that you could answer, is because you brought up the topic of a polygraph and I am willing to offer you one, I suggest that you, I assume that you have an I suggest that you speak to him prior to saying yes or no, i also intend to offer a polygraph to the young ladies, and what I would like to do is to knock you all out on polygraphs and then look at you then, but speak to your attorney beforehand, thats the reason that I put the questions theway they were, because those are single yes or no questions so that when the polygraph comes time for it and you opt to take it then it would be yes and no questions on it, very simular to what I just ask you, OK, thats the reason for that. Have you heard any outcome of the problems in Louisville, with what ever her name was in the prosecutors office? No. OK, you haven?t heard if they are going to try to indict you on this/ No. OK when was the last time that you talked to either or don?t remember exactly what the date was. Have you talked to them since you got my letter? No. OK. so it has been considerable time? Yes. Do you have anything else that you want to add to this? I guess not. OK, you said that you do have information on A yea I got and another guy, the guy the man that was staying in the hotel also his name was . And is the one you said that you have an address for A telephone number yes. LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: JRUMP: -AWLER: LRUMP: ALWER: RUMP: NLER: 1MP: LER: 12 He lives in Indianapolis. 0K, do you have any of the tapes with you today where you spoke to the girls No. You don?t have any? No. Are those available for me to hear? Well my attorney has it. Your attorney has it? Yes. UK, what is your attorneys name? Tim McCall. Is he out of Louisville? yes. Will he be willing to let me listen to what they say? I,m not sure I don't know, he had said something about that there was some- Oh my gosh yes. Because if a warrant is issued and your brought in then there is the matter of prints and all that and of course thats public record, and I would like to avoid all that if possible. Oh gosh me too, I mean thats the kind of stuff that could kill my whole carreer Exactly and thats why I'm not speaking to this case to anyone outside my immediate area because it is your carreer, your life and it could cause damage if these young ladies are lying, so if Mr. McCall has something that could shut my case down for me Well can you call him? Sure, I will. LAWLER: CRUMP: LANLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: LAWLER: CRUMP: Yea please do. And I guess he is listed in the book. Yea, and I?ve got it, I've got his number. Oh OK, OK his office number is area code 502 589?5740 Is there anything else that you want to add to this statement? If there is nothing further we will conclude this statement the same date the same people present at 11:12am 13