Page 1 Page 2 1 2 3 4 SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT Wednesday, April 4, 2018 A P P E A R A N C E S TESTIFYING WITNESS JACK NEYENS 5 6 7 TAKEN AT Missouri State Capitol 201 West Capitol Avenue Room B-22 Jefferson City, Missouri ALSO PRESENT: Alixandra Hallen, Minority Counsel; Alex Curchin, Legislative Counsel to the Speaker of the House of Representatives; and Bryan Scheiderer, Legislative Analyst. 8 9 E X H I B I T S 10 MISSOURI HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE MEMBERS Jay Barnes, Chairman Don Phillips, Vice-Chairman Gina Mitten, Ranking Minority Member Jeanie Lauer Kevin Austin Shawn Rhoads Tommie Pierson, Jr. REPORTED BY: Shelly Stewart Certified Court Reporter #619 Capital City Court Reporting Post Office Box 446 Jefferson City, Missouri 65102 Telephone: 573-761-4350 E-mail: capitalcitycourtreporting@mchsi.com www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 11 Exhibit No. 15 (previously marked) Memorandum of Understanding 51 Exhibit No. 19 (previously marked) E-mail dated April 24, 2014 at 10:59 a.m. from Eric Greitens to TMC Staff 38 Exhibit No. 22 (newly marked) E-mail dated August 16, 2016 62 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 EXHIBIT INSTRUCTIONS: 21 22 23 24 25 Exhibits are not attached to transcript; retained by Committee. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 3 1 I N D E X 2 Page 4 1 Page 3 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 3 CHAIRMAN BARNES: Call to order this meeting of the House Special Committee On Investigative Oversight. 4 Roll Call by Counselor Hallen 4 4 Madam Secretary, will you call the roll? 5 Jack Neyens sworn 5 5 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 6 Questions by Chairman Barnes 5 6 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 7 Questions by Representative Phillips 26 7 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 8 Questions by Representative Mitten 27 8 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS: 9 Questions by Representative Lauer 33 9 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 10 Questions by Representative Austin 49 10 REPRESENTATIVE MITTEN: 11 Questions by Representative Pierson 50 11 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 12 Further Question by Chairman Barnes 52 12 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 13 Further Question by Representative Lauer 58 13 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 14 14 REPRESENTATIVE RHOADS: 15 15 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 16 16 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: 17 17 COUNSELOR HALLEN: 18 18 REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON: 19 19 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 MR. NEYENS: 24 24 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 25 25 MR. NEYENS: JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb more than a quorum. Barnes? Here. Phillips? Here. Mitten? Here. Lauer? Here. Rhoads? Here. Austin? Here. Pierson, Jr.? Here. Seven being present. We have We have everyone here. Mr. Neyens, thank you for being here this afternoon. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Uh-huh. I trust that you got in okay? No problem at all. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 5 1 2 CHAIRMAN BARNES: We're going to start by administering the oath. 3 MR. NEYENS: 4 5 Okay. 2 Okay. CHAIRMAN BARNES: If you can raise your right hand? 6 MR. NEYENS: Page 6 1 A. Yeah. Q. If any of us ask a question that is confusing to 3 you or you don't understand, please just ask us to stop and 4 restate the question. 5 us asking a question and getting an answer from you if you don't understand the question; do you understand that? Because there is not much sense in Okay. 6 7 JACK NEYENS, having been sworn in by the Chairman, 7 A. Yes. 8 testified as follows: 8 Q. And finally, if you need to stop for any reason, 9 QUESTIONS BY MR. BARNES: 9 just let us know and we'll take a break. 10 Q. Mr. Neyens, can you state your name? 10 A. Gotcha. 11 A. Jack Neyens, N-e-y-e-n-s. 11 Q. Okay. 12 Q. And, Mr. Neyens, have you ever given testimony in 12 13 a deposition or any other sort of legal proceeding before? 14 15 Mr. Neyens, what is your current occupation? 13 A. I am semi-retired. I do some financial A. No, I have not. 14 Q. Okay. So let me give you just some short ground 15 Q. This is not a deposition, but it's a lot like 16 A. I have known him since May of 2011. 17 Q. And what was the circumstances in which you came 18 to know him? 16 rules here. 17 one. 18 The first rule is that when you answer a 19 question, you have to use yes or no and actually say the 19 20 words rather than shaking your head -- 20 consulting with non-profits. A. How long have you known Eric Greitens? I met him as I interviewed for the position of vice president or finance, CFO of Mission Continues. 21 A. Gotcha. 21 Q. Where did you work prior to that period of time? 22 Q. -- one way or the other; do you understand that? 22 A. I worked -- well, I worked in Kansas City with a 23 A. Yes. 23 Q. Okay. 24 25 That's always a good test of what in 24 fact -- if you understand what the rule is. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 25 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com commodity trading elevator operator company. THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 And then prior to that I was CFO of the Jewish Federation of St. Louis for six and a half years. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 7 1 2 Q. And how long did you work for the elevator Page 8 1 company? Q. Okay. 2 A. Right. 3 A. Three years. 3 Q. I understand. 4 Q. And that was in Kansas City you said? 4 5 A. Yes. 5 6 Q. So you moved across the state for that? 6 Yes, sir. 7 A. Yes, sir. 7 8 Q. And then moved back to St. Louis? 8 9 A. Yes, sir. 10 Q. A big move. 11 12 13 14 And is the Jewish Federation of St. Louis, that's a nonprofit; is that correct? A. Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. It's a rather large Q. So moving back -- going back to The was at the organization? A. It was vice president of finance and operations slash CFO. Q. And did that remain your title for as long as you were there? 9 A. Yes. Q. Okay. 11 A. I retired -- officially I retired in December of Q. And when you stopped working there, would you say 13 Okay. Plus or minus a day. And what did you say your title 10 12 nonprofit. Right. 14 And how long did you work there? 2016. that was an amicable split with the organization? 15 Mission Continues, was that part of a desire for you to get 15 A. Right. 16 back to the nonprofit sector, or was it a wish to get back 16 Q. Okay. 17 to St. Louis? 17 A. -- I'm sorry to say. 18 A. 18 Q. And now you say you're semi-retired, and so Well, I actually moved back and then started And I had read Eric's book. And I I was -- yes. I was at that age -- 19 looking for a position. 19 you -- correct -- tell me what that means, to be 20 also was just looking for another -- a position in a 20 semi-retired. 21 nonprofit community, and I understood that they had an 21 22 opening, so I submitted my resume' and went through the 22 willing to take on short-term jobs or positions that will, 23 interview process. 23 you know, be -- that will be not full-time. A. 24 Q. And what was the approximate date you were hired? 24 Q. 25 A. May of '11, I believe. 25 say it? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Well, I -- semi-retired means that, you know, I'm Projects with an end date, is that a good way to CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 9 1 2 A. I would say that, except the project I'm just Page 10 1 finishing up is 15 months old. than four years. 2 Q. 3 Q. Okay. 3 A. And that is another nonprofit? Yes. 4 A. So -- but that would be my goal, to help 4 Q. Okay. So this is something that you've made a 5 transition as an organization wants to hire a new CFO, or, 5 6 you know, they've had turnover or whatever, or they have a 6 A. Yes. 7 problem. 7 Q. Okay. A. I've had a lot of experience in the nonprofit 8 9 Like, where I am finishing up my work at is 8 St. Louis DDR, which is the Developmental Disability 10 Resources. 11 15, 16 months ago. 12 career out of certainly? 9 And they went through some serious issues about 10 11 And so I came in with another gentleman that was community. Q. What were your daily job duties as CFO for The Mission Continues? 12 A. The Mission Continues -- actually I wrote an 13 the -- took -- was interim ED, executive director, and 13 14 helped to get them reorganized, helped them get 14 Q. Yeah, that's fine. 15 straightened out along the path to where they're now viable 15 A. I was basically -- you've got to remember with a 16 again. 16 small nonprofit, you carry many hats. 17 of the accounting, human resources, the IT area, employee benefits. 17 Q. Okay. So you've got 12 years experience with 18 sort of the same role with nonprofits just that you've 18 19 recounted here. 19 20 additional work for nonprofits and that type of role? 21 A. Prior to that experience, did you have I was the -- and don't ask me the years, okay. intro, so I'll just go look at that page. And I was in charge I handled most legal issues that would come up, 20 as far as working with the lawyers. 21 many, but occasionally you would have an issue come up, and We didn't have very 22 That's what you get into when you talk to an older person. 22 that included also registering the organization in various 23 There's too many years. 23 states and stuff. 24 But I was the -- I was the CFO of the American 24 I worked with -- in just general office 25 Soybean Association for almost four years, a little less 25 management, and whatever else needed to be done that would JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 11 1 fall under my experience. 2 3 Q. 4 5 A. 9 I reported Q. Can you describe how the organization operated from your perspective as the CFO? 8 10 I did while he was there, yes. directly to him. 6 7 Did you work with Mr. Greitens on a regular basis? A. It -- very efficiently. We were -- when I joined the organization in 2011, they were on the crux of really starting to grow. 11 Mr. Greitens had secured -- they were in the -- New York firm that was -- that gave us, I think, about 2 right at -- they gave us a three -- a little over a 3 3 million dollar commitment over a three-year period, but a 4 lot of it was front-end loaded. 5 each year we got less, so we had to learn how to live on -- 6 you know, replace that money. 7 Q. 8 organization? 9 A. That's exactly right, yes. Eric had -- we were right at 15 people when I joined the 11 organization. 12 good while ago, so it was right in that area. 13 commitment from a major donor to help develop an 13 14 infrastructure so that his idea, concept that he was 14 grew to 30. 15 working along could really be put into a growth mode and 15 at 60 people. 16 grow. 16 If I remember correctly, there was one year where And at that point 10 they had just secured some -- a donor. Q. So then we had to -- so So more or less an infrastructure grant for the 12 17 A three-year Page 12 1 17 And really there was -- you know, this is a And over the course of the next couple years we Q. And when I left we were a little over -- right And were -- were the financial aspects of The Mission Continues audited while you were CFO? 18 there was a jump from somewhere around 1.5 or 2 million 18 19 dollars in revenue to 7 million dollars in revenue? 19 Brown Smith Wallace. 20 our audit, and then they also filed our 990 tax return for us. And that's correct. A. We were audited by a regional accounting firm, And they not only -- they performed 20 A. Right. 21 Q. Was that in '11 when you came on? 21 22 A. It was -- yes, it was, '11. It was either '11 or 22 They were -- they were -- we were -- as a growing It was right around that time frame, correct, because 23 organization, but we -- during that course of time of those 24 audits, we never had a -- we never had an adjustment entry 25 as far as even, you know, an auditor's adjustment, which is 23 '12. 24 we had several -- actually it was '12, I believe. 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Because '11 we had the commitment from a major CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 13 1 unusual for a small nonprofit growing quickly. 2 Because, you know, and part of that was we worked things, we would talk to them about it versus waiting until 2 the end of the year and hope we -- you know, and then have 3 them say, you know, what's this, or you should have done it this way. 3 with them as a partnership. 4 transactions sometimes come up, and instead of -- instead 4 5 of just winging it and based on what I thought or based on 5 6 what, you know, our staff thought, we would talk to the 6 let's work with them. 7 Brown Smith Wallace, their tax people or their audit people 7 one of the monitors that -- and actually that's what kind 8 and figure out the best way to handle it. 8 of impressed me when I interviewed with Eric. 9 do things right, and we spend our money -- monitor it 9 When we had -- we had unusual Page 14 1 A good example is one year a donor gave us a It wasn't just a car. car. 11 like -- I can't remember what it was. 12 or something like that. 13 and our intent was it would -- they gave it to us, but it 13 how he wants to run this organization. 14 would immediately be auctioned in Las Vegas with one of 14 makes sense to do it that way. 15 those -- one of those firms that do that stuff. 15 It was like a Camaro It was redone and it was -- we -- So we had to work -- you know, I've never done 10 closely. 11 mistake, we fix it. 12 Let's do it -- We didn't -- you know, and that was 10 16 It was like a collector's car, You know, they're our auditors. We watch our money closely. He said, we And if we make a That was kind of like, you know, his mantra of Q. Let me ask you this: And so it just Did The Mission Continues, 16 to your knowledge, ever purchase any of Mr. Greitens' books? 17 that, and, you know, if I had, I still think I would have 17 18 talked to experts, but we talked to them about how do we 18 A. Not that I'm aware of. 19 handle this transaction, because it was also legal and tax 19 Q. Okay. 20 on what we could do. 20 And as CFO, if there was a large book purchase, would that have eventually come across your desk? 21 So they helped -- we worked with them together to 21 22 gear the transaction so that it would, you know, be handled 22 23 properly and the ownership would change properly. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. But I -- I -- I can't remember doing that. 24 25 You know, it was just a very -- and that's the types of things we would do. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 If we had new items or new CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 25 A. I would have seen the payables. I would have probably seen the check issued, yes. I do know that I think he did give books to donors, but I don't JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 15 1 believe we ever purchased any from him. Page 16 1 Memorandum of Understanding, which was, I believe, December 2 Q. Okay. 2 of 2012, what proportion of Krystal Taylor's salary that 3 A. I'm sure we didn't quite honestly. 3 The Mission Continues was paying? 4 Q. And that's consistent with what others have told 4 5 us, so your recollection -- back, but I believe we were talking 25 percent. A. Okay. 6 7 Q. -- I do believe seems to me is correct, but we 7 want to make sure to ask other witnesses -- I believe that in that agreement that we were looking at -- and I'm really -- this is really digging 6 8 A. 5 8 And do you -- when you say we're talking 9 A. Okay. 10 Q. -- some of the same sorts of questions. 10 of -- or the makeup of the money that was 25 percent of her One previous witness testified that -- well, did 11 salary and benefits. 11 12 13 9 Q. 25 percent, is that your understanding of the MOU? you have any interaction with The Greitens Group? A. 12 We -- they were -- when I first joined the A. Q. Yes, that is. And I believe it was 25 percent That's the way I remember it anyway. Do you recall, prior to that, in 2011 what the 13 percentage of Ms. Taylor's salary was being paid by The 14 organization, or when -- yeah, they had an office that when 14 Mission Continues versus The Greitens Group? 15 we came in the hallway, we would go by their office as we 15 16 entered our office, okay, so it was kind of like adjoined 16 I said, that was when I was coming on. 17 our office. 17 remember if in 2011, and looking back 2010, if there was any shared. And so in that regard, yes. A. I do not. And I'm not sure that -- I -- I -- as And I don't 18 And then to keep everything in arm's length as 18 19 things grew, we had -- we had an agreement, an operating 19 20 agreement with The Greitens Group that -- that would -- 20 when I was there was when it was decided we would have this 21 we -- we charged them for -- I think there were a couple of 21 operating agreement going forward. 22 years this went on, where they paid us for some of the 22 23 shared services, which included his administrative 23 Ms. Taylor -- described to us, and others, the process of 24 assistant, a portion of her salary and benefits. 24 travel for Mr. Greitens. 25 Q. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Do you recall, prior to the signing of that CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb I can't tell you that for sure, but I know that Q. 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Okay. Ms. Taylor -- I believe it was And that would be The Greitens Group would book a CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 17 Page 18 1 speech somewhere, and then they would get together with 1 states, so we would have things like that, but not nearly 2 people from The Mission Continues to maximize his time and 2 like we did with The Mission Continues. 3 be as efficient as possibly? 3 4 And that when he was on the road to, say, Dallas, Q. Not the travel? Well, I guess the difference 4 here is that with the CEO of the American Soybean 5 that they would organize a meeting with The Mission 5 Association, did he have a private business at the same 6 Continues donor in Dallas, correct? 6 time? 7 A. Uh-huh. 7 A. No. 8 Q. As far as you can recall, is that an accurate 8 Q. Okay. 9 assessment of how his travel typically worked? 9 10 A. That's very accurate, yes. 10 11 Q. Okay. 11 In your experience with nonprofits, is 12 that a typical arrangement for a leader of the organization 12 13 to arrange private events and then to schedule the 13 14 nonprofits event sort of on top of the private event? 14 15 The executive director did not. Of course the Q. Okay. So the president in that case was not Exactly. paid? 15 A. Yeah. Eric was a very, you know, public figure as far 16 Q. And the executive director was paid? 17 as in the nonprofit community and the donor community, so, 17 A. That's correct. 18 yeah, that would make sense. 18 Q. And did they have a side -- another job, a It made sense in your experience with the other 20 nonprofits? 21 other nonprofits? 22 A. It's maximizing A. president was a volunteer position, so . . . his time. Q. Well, it is maximizing expenses. the same time? 16 19 A. And the Jewish Federation, the president while you were there, did they have a private business at I mean, did you have a similar experience in 19 private job at the time that they traveled and then 20 would -- 21 Not -- no, I did not. Except for the American A. No. That is -- I mean, you know, just -- well, 22 you've got to remember the Jewish Federation is really an 23 Soybean Association, because that was more of a -- 23 organization that's centered in St. Louis for the St. Louis 24 throughout -- we had -- we had an off-- not office, but we 24 community. 25 had farmers in all 50 states, all of the soybean growing 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 The ED did a lot of travel, but it was more to JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 19 1 support Jewish organizations, or a meeting of all the 2 federations in the country together, things like that. 3 that's the only kind of travel they had. 4 5 Q. Yeah. But Page 20 1 And sometimes donors would come into the office a lot of 2 times too, so I had those interactions. 3 Much different type of organization, because like you said, that is a regional organization? That wasn't my primary focus, but they always -- 4 when they were around us, they liked to talk to me, because 5 donors always want to know how the money is being taken 6 A. Yes. 6 care of. 7 Q. To your knowledge, what would happen in that sort 7 things are done right. 8 of -- I'll call it dual-purpose trip -- when there is a 8 9 private speech followed by a Mission Continues donor, to 9 Q. You know, they want to feel comfortable that So would you describe that as more as happenstance when you -- when you met with donors rather 10 your knowledge, was what the typical expensing arrangement 10 11 when there was a dual-purpose trip? 11 A. That's correct. 12 Q. But also not infrequent? 12 A. Typically the way I remember it is that The than sort of a frequent planned event for you? It was happenstance. 13 Greitens Group paid most of his expenses, okay, because, 13 A. That's correct, yes. 14 you know, that's -- that's -- Eric just tried to use that 14 Q. Okay. 15 opportunity to meet with donors for The Mission Continues 15 clear -- that you didn't go out and say, hey, every Friday 16 when he was on these speeches, is the way I understood it. 16 I'm going to call these donors and do A, B and C? 17 18 Q. 21 Thank you for that. Sorry. I'm looking at my notes here. 19 20 Okay. When you were at The Mission Continues, did you have any contact with -- direct contact with donors? A. Yeah, some. I wasn't in the fundraising area, So I'm just trying to figure out and get a 17 A. No. 18 Q. But instead, anytime a donor, particularly a big No, I didn't. 19 donors, would want to talk to you, you would be willing to 20 talk to them? 21 A. I would be very available. Or potential big 22 but I attended events. We had orientations where I would 22 donors I would be very available. 23 attend and some of our donors would come out that were in 23 about an organization the size of The Mission Continues, 24 that city. 24 you know, it's not completely departmentalized, because 25 we're just not big enough. 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 You know, our gala, I would meet with donors. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 And that's another thing CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 21 1 You know, we were not big enough at that time Page 22 1 have gotten into the database and pulled out the 2 to -- you know, to have every segment, you know, so you did 2 information. 3 crossover some, that's correct. 3 Q. Did you do that? 4 Q. Were you part of the thank-you team for donors? 4 A. No. 5 A. Yeah. 5 Q. Okay. 6 Q. Okay. 6 Have you violated your nondisclosure agreement in any way since leaving The Mission Continues? 7 A. I didn't like that, but yes. 7 A. No. 8 Q. Okay. 8 Q. You've not used the donor list or a list of any A. Yeah. 9 10 11 12 Now, that was something we were 9 required -- that was a planned event. Q. That was a frequent thing, but you were given your list of thank-you calls to make and -- 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Okay. A. No. 11 Q. -- you had from The Mission Continues for any 12 That was a planned event, okay. information -- 10 other purpose? 13 Did you -- do you recall signing a A. No. I probably have talked to a few of the 14 donors, but that was because I knew them personally. 15 nondisclosure agreement when you worked for The Mission 15 were on my phone list. 16 Continues? 16 list. 17 A. Yes, I believe I did. I know all of our board Q. 18 A. That's right, yes. Q. Okay. members were required to. 19 had them update them every year to -- you know, but I -- I 19 20 think I did. 20 21 22 23 Q. Okay. Because that was one thing, we 17 18 And did you have access to lists of The Mission Continues donors? A. I guess I could have had. You know, I didn't 24 work with donors in that manner. 25 ten people or twenty that I had to call. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 I would get a list of the I mean, I could CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 In your own personal phone? Did you have any involvement with the Campaign For Governor? 21 A. I attended some of the events from the 22 perspective of I would go hear Eric speak, and that's 23 about -- that's about it. 24 him. 25 They You know, they were in my contact I didn't go out and campaign for I didn't -Q. You weren't officially involved in raising money JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 23 1 for the campaign? Page 24 1 Q. So you were sort of a decipherer of what the 990 2 A. Not a -- no. 2 3 Q. You didn't call banks? 3 A. Yes. 4 A. No. 4 Q. -- and helped them answer questions? Q. If you didn't like making thank-you cards, I can 5 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. A. And that -- which would be a natural thing for 6 assure you you didn't like the callbacks. 7 there are any of the people in here who have done them like 7 8 the callbacks. 8 9 callbacks. 10 11 I don't think I'm not sure any of us like doing the 9 A. Yeah. So, no, I didn't do that at all. No. Q. Okay. And did anyone from the Greitens campaign meant to certain people on the campaign -- them to ask me. Q. And I don't know that we've asked any questions 10 of other witnesses about this, but I want to get this on 11 the record. 12 ever contact you for any purpose relating to campaign 12 Fleishman-Hillard? 13 issues? 13 A. Yes. 14 A. Not for campaign issues, no. 14 Q. Okay. 15 Q. For other issues? 15 A. I believe it was around -- we used -- well, A. The only time is there was some questions about 16 17 the historical 990s and Eric's salary or the monies. 18 so I looked at those for them to show them. 19 because it's all public information. 20 And You know, It's not like anything is hidden, but I just Do you recall a contract with Uh-huh. And approximate dates of that contract? 16 actually I think -- I think The Mission Continues still 17 uses them. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. And I know they did well after Eric left, but we 20 used them in 2000-- I believe it was '13 and '14. You 21 helped them see the seven or eight years Eric was there 21 know, I -- I -- but we used them for like -- since 22 what the annual -- what his draws were, of which the first 22 around -- I start in '11 -- since 2012. 23 two years he drew zero, and another year he only drew -- he 23 24 drew very -- his draws were nominal compared to what he was 24 we used them to re-brand -- we were re-branding the 25 doing. 25 organization, okay? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Now, we used them some more than other years, but JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 25 1 2 Q. And was that part of the ramp up due to the increased fundraising you were able to do? 3 A. Yes, it was. Page 26 1 And we were also at that point in So our vice chairman is going to ask questions, 2 our ranking members are going to ask questions, and then 3 we're going to go in order of legislative seniority. they're all -- everybody is all branched out over here. 4 time -- we were -- you know, we were going from -- we 4 5 changed our logo. 5 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 6 catch-phrase. 6 QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS: 7 They helped us design our new We originally were a -- not a charity, a 8 challenge. 9 then we moved on to a different tag line. 10 logo. They helped develop a new logo. 11 us re-brand the organization, okay? 12 13 And 8 We changed our They really helped They worked on our mission statement. They Q. Q. And the purpose of that contract was for -- was organizational, not individual to Mr. Greitens, correct? So Representative? State Representative Don Phillips from District 138, Kimberling City, which is down near Table Rock Lake. 9 In the time that you became acquainted with 10 Governor Greitens, would you say that your personal 11 relationship with him is -- would you call him a friend? 12 worked on every aspect of the organization. 14 15 7 You know, something along those lines. And A. You know, he's an acquaintance. I wouldn't say 13 necessarily he's a friend. Like when he comes to 14 St. Louis, he doesn't call me and say, hey, Jack, let's go 15 get a beer. I mean, he doesn't drink, but let's go meet 16 A. Had nothing to do -- had nothing to do with Eric 16 for coffee or something, no. 17 at all. It had strictly to do with the re-branding of the 17 basically a professional relationship, I would say? 18 organization and our growth forward, and occasionally we 18 19 would have a PR issue and we would ask them to help us, 19 characterize him as honest and trustworthy from what you've 20 how we would Wordsmyth, what our response was or something, 20 seen? 21 but it was strictly -- it was always related to the 21 A. Most assuredly, yes. 22 organization. 22 Q. And that was his reputation amongst others? A. That was basically, as I said earlier, he 23 Q. Thank you. Thank you for being here today. So 23 Q. No. You know, it was In the time that you've known him, would you 24 now this is where it's definitely not like a deposition, 24 believed in doing things right, and he stressed that. 25 because there are seven of us. 25 he -- he would hold everybody else to a high standard, and JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 27 1 he held himself to a high standard. 2 3 Q. Okay. Did it surprise you personally when the news broke of -- concerning his extramarital affair? And Page 28 1 Representative Barnes asked you some questions about 2 25 percent of salary was being paid by somebody, and I 3 don't think that the record is actually very clear on that. 4 A. Yes. 4 5 Q. Did it had change your opinion of him? 5 25 percent of -- I believe we were talking about Krystal A. No. 6 Taylor's salary. 6 It gave me -- you know, I had concerns, but, So when you talked about, I think it was 7 you know, who of us -- you know, I don't know the 7 A. Yes. 8 circumstances of, you know, if he and his wife have 8 Q. Was it 25 percent being paid by The Mission 9 reconciled the issue. It's none of my business, you know. 9 Continues or The Greitens Group, or can you just sort of 10 I still got to look at him as the person, what else he 10 11 does. 11 A. It was -- it was paid by The Greitens Group. 12 Q. Okay. A. She was our -- The Mission Continues' employee, 12 Q. Fair enough. Did you ever observe or hear, 13 within the workplace, of Mr. Greitens conducting himself in 13 14 any way other than professional and business-like? 14 explain to us how that works? so it was kind of like a shared -- shared salary. 15 A. No, sir. 15 16 Q. Thank you. 16 Krystal Taylor's expenses, her salary, her -- whatever, 17 health or those kinds of benefits? 17 18 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS: Mr. Chairman. That's all I've got, Thank you. Q. 18 19 CHAIRMAN BARNES: Representative Mitten? 20 QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE MITTEN: I'm Gina Mitten from St. Louis. Okay. So The Mission Continues paid for all of I don't know if there was a 401-K or something 19 like that going on, but parking, all of the expenses 20 related to Krystal Taylor's salary was paid for by The 21 Mission Continues? 21 Q. Hi. 22 A. Hi. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Thank you for being here. 23 Q. Right. As they were by all other employees. 24 A. Uh-huh. 24 A. She was treated no different than anybody else. 25 Q. Hopefully this will go pretty quick. 25 Q. And then The Greitens Group was then reimbursing JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 29 1 The Mission Continues 25 percent of all of those costs? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Okay. Page 30 1 And they also -- like, how did that work A. Yeah. We -- for Krystal, yes. We -- we -- we 2 got -- there was a percentage of, and I'm really talking -- 3 because that wasn't a big deal or a big thing. 4 for sort of general office equipment and that kind of 4 Q. Right. 5 thing? 5 A. So -- but there was a portion of that expense 6 For instance it's my understanding that, you 6 allocated to them also. And that was part of the 7 know, Krystal Taylor and Lyndsey Hodges shared an office. 7 agreement. 8 I'm assuming, again, that all of that was paid for by The 8 thing. 9 Mission Continues or -- they shared space? 9 had a copier, we had a printer that Krystal used. 10 10 Q. always -- you know, who they shared with is separate, 11 A. Okay. 12 because one reason I'm hesitant like this is she -- then we 12 Q. Right. 13 moved her next to -- and she shared space with Greg Favre, 13 of the size of the organization it seems to me the 14 who was Eric's assistant, and that was -- so that was a 14 nitpicking over copying is never a good idea. 15 different office. 15 A. That's right. Right. 16 Q. It doesn't intender cooperation and consensus for Q. They shared space, and honestly she didn't And part of the agreement was to cover, like, if we 11 16 A. We came up with the -- and, you know, the same Right. That shared service like that. I understand that. You know, regardless 17 A. Let's just say -- can we just say office space? 17 18 Q. Right. 18 19 A. She had a portion of the office space. 19 nonprofits, did you -- have -- was -- at -- let me get this 20 Q. Okay. 20 out. 21 A. Exactly. 21 So did you ever do -- or what was your 22 Q. -- wherever that might be? 22 involvement in doing fundraising for any nonprofits before 23 you came to The Mission Continues? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. 25 So she had a desk somewhere -- And was The Greitens Group also CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com You indicated that you had worked for other 24 reimbursing you for office space? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 the building, let's put it that way. 25 THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 I'm not on my game this week. A. Very similar to what I did with The Mission Continues. I'm a -- I don't know. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 How do you say it? CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 31 1 a bank guy. 2 Q. Right. 3 A. I go to the banks and ask them for money. I run Page 32 1 software to do that, like an Excel or another proprietary 2 software? 3 A. To do the registration? Q. To do the filings and whatnot? We would -- we would -- we would gather 4 inside the office, but, you know -- glad-handing, you know, 4 5 asking -- I'm not real good at, but I -- when I have to 5 A. 6 compliment the fundraisers, I'm very good at that, because 6 information. 7 I have credibility. 7 would provide us information. 8 myself. 9 Q. 10 But, man, don't send me in the door by 8 Sort of a team player when it comes to that, but absolutely not directing the ship? I'm 9 10 We work with the fundraising area. They And then we worked with another organization called The Affinity Group that specialized in registering nonprofits in various states. 11 A. Exactly. 11 Q. Okay. 12 Q. Okay. 12 A. Because that -- you don't want to get involved in Right. And then you -- just to make sure your 13 testimony is clear. You did not directly work with donor 14 lists at The Mission Continues -- 13 that. 14 Q. 15 A. No. 15 A. Okay. 16 Q. -- with the exception of your thank-you calls? 16 Q. Note to self. 17 A. That's correct. 17 18 Q. Okay. 18 career, were you ever aware of your employers purchasing 19 A. The only thing I -- you know, of course by the 19 donor lists? I'll keep that in mind. In your work for nonprofits throughout your 20 accounting department money coming in and going out, so you 20 A. No. 21 see those names. 21 Q. Okay. 22 end of year in various states that you fundraise in, but 22 Group -- excuse me -- The Mission Continues ever purchasing 23 that's not individualized, that's more, you know -- 23 a donor list? 24 25 Q. And then the filings that you do at the So you're not aware of The Greitens This is how much we raised from all of our 24 A. Not aware, no. donors, and I'm -- did you use some sort of computer 25 Q. Okay. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 I don't have any other questions. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com Thank THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 33 1 you. 2 A. Uh-huh. 3 Representative Lauer? REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: Thank you, Mr. Chair. QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 6 Q. was registering organizations in various states. 2 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 4 5 Page 34 1 And thank you again for being here, and I want to So we provided that information, the data, and 3 the information on The Mission Continues, you know, the 4 board of directors, all the administrative stuff, and then 5 the dollars that were raised in various states. 6 they would formally file the -- do the filings for us. 7 thank you also for your approaching -- having a 7 8 conversation with us today. 8 not-for-profit status and the requirements and regulations associated with that? That is very helpful. Q. Okay. And then But you were very familiar with 9 I am Jeanie Lauer from the Kansas City area, Blue 9 10 Springs, and I have random questions, so we'll just kind of 10 A. Sure. 11 hop around. 11 Q. And was there any time during your work with The Yes, ma'am. 12 A. Okay. 12 Mission Continues that there was any concern about the 13 Q. So you have worked obviously with 13 status of not-for-profit being jeopardized? 14 not-for-profits, and was it your responsibility to complete 14 A. No. 15 the yearly filings for the not-for-profits that you worked 15 Q. Okay. 16 with? 16 we were -- you were in alignment with IRS code and 17 everybody else? 17 A. 18 states? 19 Q. By yearly filings, you mean with the various Correct. And I'll tell you. So you've -- that was just very clear that 18 A. I can't remember ever a discussion like that. 19 Q. Okay. 20 A. Yes and no. 20 A. Okay? 21 Q. Okay. 21 Q. Sure. 22 A. We -- as I mentioned a minute ago, we would 22 well as with the not-for-profit. certainly in a for-profit industry on client lists? And so you've worked for a for-profit as So you're familiar 23 obtain information from our fundraising area, and then we 23 24 would start asse-- we worked with an organization called 24 A. Right. 25 The Affinity Group in Colorado. 25 Q. And I would assume that the elevator that you JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 That was their business CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Yes. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 35 Page 36 1 worked with would want to protect their client list that 1 2 they do business with? 2 3 A. Yes and no. I mean, yes, but the client lists -- I'm not sure what else I can say on that. Q. 3 list. things -- Okay. So obviously not-for-profits have an asset They still do balances sheets and all those sorts of 4 all elevators in a region use the same client list, you 4 5 know, work with the same clients, so there's not a -- it's 5 A. Uh-huh. 6 not privileged, you know, what I mean? 6 Q. -- that any organization would do? 7 Q. Sure. 7 8 A. It's not confidential information that anyone 8 9 10 else couldn't come up with. The elevator next door could have a -- 9 Were there any points where the not-for-profits that you worked with list your donor list as an asset? A. No. No, ma'am. The only thing that would be on 10 our financial statements related to donors would be in 11 Q. Okay. 11 total like if we had pledge receivable, or if we had a 12 A. Because it's all based on market price. 12 commitment from the organization, we would -- 13 Q. Sure. 13 14 And so there's a lot of common denominators as to who would be engaged in that? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And what about for the not-for-profits? 17 What about donor lists and things like that? 18 A. 19 donors. 20 21 22 I mean, the Jewish Federation had a huge list of I mean, I never looked at it. You know, what were Say ABC company had signed an agreement to give 14 us -- to pay us $100,000 year one for the next three years, 15 we would recognize that as a discounted amount as a 16 receivable on our books, okay? 17 Q. Okay. 18 A. And then we would -- I don't know if you're 19 familiar with accounting in a nonprofit, but you have good for -- you know, once again though, that was a cause. 20 restricted and unrestricted. And, you know, you -- basically it was a cause of the 21 Q. Right. Jewish community. 22 A. And we would restrict part of it. 23 And that was where probably 95 percent of the 23 24 donors, you know, individual and the companies, were of 24 25 that religion or supported that religion. 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 So, you know, CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb But anyway, that's how we would handle it. Q. Okay. So it was really based on a commitment-cash basis? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 37 1 2 3 A. Yes. Q. Okay. And so who was the guardian of the list of donors at The Mission Continues? 4 A. Page 38 1 because he didn't want to compromise the organization or 2 compromise what his thoughts were. 3 You know, honestly, I don't know for sure. I he wasn't sure, okay? 5 did take a leave of absence from the organization for, I And if he -- I will say this: He 5 would assume it's in the fundraising area. 6 didn't necessarily -- I didn't go over there and say, can I 6 can't remember how long, but it was -- during that time 7 have the list of all of our donors? 7 frame I think that's when he did a lot of soul searching to That wasn't something that 8 decide what he wanted to do. Well, everything is my job, 9 Q. 8 9 I didn't need it. really was part of my job. Once again, I Because, you know, I think that, you know, he -- 4 About what time frame was that? 10 but, you know, it wasn't part of my responsibility to 10 A. I shouldn't have brought it up. 11 know -- to look at that individual list. 11 Q. Thank you for doing it, but -- 12 Q. Okay. So there was really no one 12 13 organizationally that said in my role I am responsible for 13 14 maintaining, obtaining the donor list? 14 15 (EXHIBIT NO. 19 WAS PREVIOUSLY MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION.) CHAIRMAN BARNES: If I show you Exhibit 19, which A. I mean, I would say it was in the fundraising 17 Q. Okay. 17 REPRESENTATIVE MITTEN: 18 A. That's -- for an individual, a particular 18 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 16 area. 19 individual, I couldn't tell you. 20 Lyndsey. 21 what they would do. 22 Q. You mentioned, you know, You know, those people worked there and that's Okay. While you were working with The Mission 15 is a letter that Mr. Greitens sent to all the stuff that 16 was sent on April 24th, 2019 (sic) and says I'm -Not '19. I'm sorry. 19 sent it in 2014. 20 to the fact of it's good to be back. 21 I've made. 22 time frame? Continues, what discussions might Eric have had or shared 23 24 with you or others regarding his future plans? 24 that time. 25 he remained on the Board for a while. A. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 You know, he was very tight-lipped about that, CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 THE WITNESS: JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Here is the decision Does that refresh your recollection as to the 23 25 Exhibit 19, but he I think the first sentence says something Yes, it does. It was right around And he -- I don't know if it says it here, but And then at a point CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 39 Page 40 1 in time he resigned from the Board too, because that's when 1 2 he was officially going to announce that he was going to 2 3 seek public office. 3 4 BY REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 4 5 6 7 Q. So when he resigned from the Board, is that when he took a leave of absence? A. No. He took a leave of absence -- he took a 5 Q. Okay. A. But he did not -- he was not running the day-to-day operations anymore. Q. Okay. So that was that transition period where that happened? 6 A. Uh-huh. 7 Q. And to what degree were you involved in that 8 leave of absence to determine -- to both finish a book, and 8 9 then also to kind of, you know, get his thoughts together 9 A. Well, he was already on the Board. 10 Q. Right. A. But just basically when he announced it. 10 on what his next move was. 11 Because I would say that at this point he had The 12 Mission Continues on the right path. 13 14 15 17 11 I was 12 not involved in any discussion as to what he should do or team in place that was very strong, and, you know, was 13 not do. capable of, you know, carrying the mantra, carrying the 14 Q. torch. 15 16 He had a management whole transition first from CEO to the Board? Eric is a very -- he has a lot of plans in his 16 Okay. And what about from the Board to Greitens Group, discussions about that? A. Once again, when he announced, he had talked to, 17 I think, a couple of the Board members. So did he -- I'm trying to narrow this down, but 18 out about it -- you know, I found out about it as basically 19 did he take a leave of absence while he was the CEO of The 19 everybody else did. 20 Mission Continues? 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. No. 18 life, and, you know, this was -- I mean, this was, you know, very guarded. Q. He was no longer a CEO. And I only found Are you still consulting with TMC? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Was he on the Board? 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. He was CEO and he took a leave of absence, and 23 A. Well, I worked for them -- I officially retired 24 when he came back, I believe he just remained -- he was -- 24 25 he came back to be on the Board. 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb No, ma'am. When was your last date of doing that? December 2016. Q. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Okay. And let's go back to your role in the CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 41 Page 42 1 finance accounting position at The Mission Continues. 1 100. And the reason being is we were so fast to get things 2 You've indicated that there were some shared expenses with 2 done -- remember I said -- 3 payroll and so forth. 3 Q. Yeah. A. -- okay, that we actually -- the finance 4 A. Uh-huh. 4 5 Q. Was there, for lack of a better word, an invoice 5 committee approved the 990, okay, and we filed it, and then 6 or something given to you as documentation as to how to 6 we gave it to the Board. 7 split the expenses that you would know what you would pay 7 process is to get the 100, you've got to give it to the 8 and what another group would pay? 8 Board first. 9 Q. Oh. A. So after that we -- you know, and it wasn't -- it 9 A. I don't have the agreement in front of me, but if And just as a prec-- but the 10 I remember correctly, we just agreed -- we did a 10 11 calculation to determine how much the monthly fee would be, 11 was just -- and actually our auditors didn't -- you know, 12 and we didn't adjust the fee every month, I don't believe. 12 we -- they called Charity Navigator to argue about it with 13 them. 14 know. 13 14 Q. Okay. So it was just a standard, agreed upon rate? 15 15 Q. Okay. 16 And once again, you know -- I'm -- there wasn't a lot of 16 A. So it's always been the highest ratings. 17 money in it. 17 were also -- the Better Business Bureau gave us the Golden 18 time. 18 Torch award. 19 things right. 19 20 A. Q. Yeah. I believe that's what the agreement said. From thence forward it's always been 100 from what I I didn't think about -- it's been a long Sure. All right. Not-for-profits are rated by a So, you know, once again, Eric stressed doing 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. Uh-huh. 21 A. He stressed, you know, no, no, no, no give here 22 Q. And during the period of time you were with The 22 23 24 25 large group of raters? And we Mission Continues, what was the rating that you were given? A. We were given -- well, Charity Navigator -- and I will never forget this -- gave us a 97 one year instead of JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 23 on those type of things. Q. Okay. And so when the information came out 24 regarding the use of the donor list by the campaign 25 committee, was -- and you were not there at that point, is JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 43 1 2 3 4 that right, or you were? A. had their contact information. 2 mean above a certain level, you know. 3 could have had in his phone, in his business cards. Uh-huh. 4 could have created a list that would be very close to I left December 2000-- when it came out in the news or when it came out? Q. Page 44 1 And by all the donors, I 5 A. No, I was no longer there. 5 whatever list you're talking about. 6 Q. Okay. 6 BY REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 7 Were you involved in any of the ethics questioning or -- Q. Okay. 8 A. No. 8 A. Okay? 9 Q. -- sharing information? 9 organization. 10 A. No. 11 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 12 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 13 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 14 Sure. You mean Missouri Ethics REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: Commission. 17 I'm sorry. THE WITNESS: 18 those discussions. 19 that is: 20 Missouri Ethics I was not involved in any of I would like to say one thing about fundraiser, they still wanted to see Eric, so he was the contact guy. 13 Q. It sounds like he was very charismatic; would you agree with that? 14 A. Super charismatic, yes. 15 Q. Okay. A. And he's a gifted speaker. comes off as a very -- you know, I should say comes -- he 18 was very sincere and very dedicated to The Mission Eric grew the organization from zero, okay? 19 Continues. He, people, donors, corporations, individuals, 20 Q. Okay. 21 A. As I said, the first two years he didn't even foundations migrate. 22 migrated to him as he spoke around the country, as he met 22 draw a salary. 23 them and stuff. 23 office. 25 They were attracted to him. They I would venture to say that he probably 24 personally knew a major percentage of all the donors and JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 He's -- he's -- he 17 21 24 Because he just -- he was the Even after we hired a fund-- a chief 11 16 No. He 10 12 Commission? 15 16 Can I clarify? 7 You know, that he CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb 25 Q. He slept on the floor sometimes in the He was a very -- you know, he had a mission. Uh-huh. And was that character trait of being charismatic, was that something that was demonstrated with JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 45 Page 46 1 the donors, with staff, with anywhere he went would you 1 2 say? 2 3 A. Yes. He had a very loyal staff. He -- donors, 4 you know, I mean, they just wanted to see him. 5 to talk to him. 6 Q. They wanted 3 not-for-profit? A. My understanding is right now that they have not changed the -- and this is current. 4 Q. Sure. 5 A. I understand they have not changed the rating, So he would just draw people to him? 6 they just made a note that there is an investigation going on or something like that. 7 A. Yes, he would. 7 8 Q. Okay. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. And he would give a lot of speeches or 9 A. So, you know -- but I can't -- I really can't 10 presentations, and it's amazing the people that would come 10 answer how they would handle that or what they would say, 11 up to him afterwards and would say, I want to talk to you 11 because it really -- you know, I don't know. 12 more. 12 13 he was -- 14 I would like to spend some time with you. Q. I mean, Q. 13 Okay. CHAIRMAN BARNES: Let me back up and clarify It sounds as though the donors and everybody else 14 15 might have been as drawn to him as they were to The Mission 15 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 16 Continues? 16 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 17 A. I can't speak for them, but I would say that a 18 lot them probably were. 19 Mission Continues was him. 20 Q. Okay. The reason they donated to The 17 18 I want to go back to the ratings by Your understanding is you don't have any contact 19 THE WITNESS: 20 I can get on Charity Navigator. Charity Navigator and so forth. not-for-profits and having had great ratings consistently 22 23 all across, given that there was this issue with the 23 THE WITNESS: 24 Missouri Ethics Commission in regards to the use of the 24 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 25 donor list, how would that have impacted the ratings of the 25 THE WITNESS: THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 21 No. 22 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com Okay. Sorry about that. with The Mission Continues today? 21 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 In your experience with that. CHAIRMAN BARNES: No, I don't, but I do have -- Okay. So this is based on your reading of Charity Navigator? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Exactly. Yes. Okay. It has nothing to do with -- I have CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 47 1 had no contact whatsoever. 2 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 3 THE WITNESS: 4 mean to talk too much. 5 6 Sorry. I didn't That's fine. No, you're fine. I just wanted to make sure we got the basis of that. REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: you. 9 BY REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: I appreciate that. Thank After Eric left, Mr. Kympton decided that he 2 didn't need senior staff at board meetings, so he kind of 3 changed the scope of things a little bit. So from that point forward I would get the 5 minutes and I would read them, you know, because we had to 6 for the audit and stuff, but I wasn't as involved. 7 While Mr. Greitens was there and up until he 8 formally left the Board, I would attend most meetings. 9 Q. Okay. And then one last question: You were And so having that note, again, in your 10 talking about people would ask about the history of the 11 experience and seeing that on Charity Navigator, what would 11 990s that they would have questions? 12 be the impact of that on a not-for-profit? 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. What type of questions would they inquire of? A. Well, the specific thing I was talking about is 13 Q. A. 4 8 10 No inside knowledge? None whatsoever. CHAIRMAN BARNES: 7 Page 48 1 A. I think it would be a -- I would want to take a 14 wait and see what really has transpired. 15 you know, it's very questionable, and there's -- 16 I mean, because, 15 in a 990 there is a list of the highest paid employees in 16 the organization. 17 organizations would probably -- each of them look at it 17 part I was addressing. 18 differently, so I really can't tell. 18 Q. I see. 19 A. Okay. 19 20 You know, I -- I -- I -- I think that individual 14 Q. That's fair. I can't answer that. I appreciate that. Just a couple more questions. 21 What was your interaction with the Board And that's the point I was -- that's the Other questions come up. 20 read a 990 is pretty smart. 21 very confusing to look at. I can't. Anybody that can I mean, they are 22 specifically? 22 Q. 23 A. 23 A. But they're almost too thorough is the problem. 24 Q. Okay. 24 25 When I was there, I attended almost every board meeting, okay? Q. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 Uh-huh. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com 25 THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Sure. So mostly it was salary information that was being looked at by them? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 49 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Thank you very much. 3 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 4 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 5 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: 6 7 And thank you, Mr. Chair. Representative Austin? Kevin Austin. I'm from Springfield. CHAIRMAN BARNES: 2 REPRESENTATIVE MITTEN: 3 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 4 Mr. Chair, Thank you. QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: Q. Page 50 1 I'm not 8 going to rehash what you have already testified to, but I 9 can't help but notice -- I wasn't trying to eavesdrop or Q. 8 County. 9 with you? 11 13 This is just if I had an opportunity. I'm Tommie Pierson, Jr. I'm from St. Louis Thank you for being here, Mr. Neyens. Did you have a counterpart that did your role in The Greitens Group? A. No. The Greitens Group was very small. They had 12 a gentleman that basically went out and booked his 13 speeches, his appearances and kind of managed his little 14 Q. Okay. 14 office. 15 A. So I -- you know, on TV you always get a chance 15 16 17 18 19 I've never done this before. Thank you for QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON, JR.: 7 11 No. REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON, JR.: 6 10 No. Representative Pierson. Representative Pierson? acknowledging the youngest in legislative age. look over your shoulder, but you have brought documents A. That -- 5 10 12 Okay. to give your opening statement, so I was ready. Q. Okay. If the Chair wants you to read that, we'll leave that up him. A. Thank you. No questions. Okay. 20 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 21 REPRESENTATIVE RHOADS: 22 I don't have any CHAIRMAN BARNES: He's like an angel on my REPRESENTATIVE RHOADS: JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 17 did the invoicing. 18 basically a two-person office. 19 they hired a third person for a while, but that was all 20 that they had. 22 shoulder here. 25 accounting-type clerk, you know, that paid the checks, that 21 questions. 23 24 Representative Rhoads? I'll decline to comment. CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com And then he had, I believe, one other, like, an 16 THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 And, you know, once again, it was And I think at one point So the counterpart would have probably been, you know, much lower level because it was a QuickBooks thing. 23 Q. Anther person who wore a lot of hats? 24 A. Yes. 25 And it was small. It was so small that you probably could have actually done it on a piece of paper JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 51 1 2 and pencil if you wanted to. Q. Page 52 1 And to your knowledge the only reimbursement that 2 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: And Exhibit A, is that an exhibit to Exhibit 15? 3 The Greitens Group paid to The Mission Continues was for 3 4 Krystal Taylor's salary? 4 Exhibit 15 marked by the parties who entered into the 5 Memorandum of Understanding. 5 6 7 8 9 A. And some shared -- and some -- you know, some, like, the rent. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. You know, I think there is a number in there for 8 office supplies. 10 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 9 Representative, I was a little 10 11 slow when Representative Lauer was asking these questions. 11 12 I have got a document that could help refresh the witness' 12 13 recollection. 13 14 REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON: 15 (EXHIBIT NO. 15 WAS PREVIOUSLY MARKED FOR 16 Go ahead. IDENTIFICATION.) 17 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 18 Understanding. 19 20 CHAIRMAN BARNES: This is the Memorandum of And then I believe you might have signed THE WITNESS: CHAIRMAN BARNES: bit slow to pull that up. Q. A. Uh-huh. 15 Q. Just knowing Eric's faith, was there anything 16 asked of you to perhaps bring in any donors from the Jewish 17 Federation of St. Louis? No. A as to costs. 20 I've handed 21 I don't have anything. REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON: Q. Two additional followups. the witness what's been marked as Exhibit 15 from previous 23 A. Okay. 24 testimony to refresh his recollection about the Memorandum 24 Q. Maybe three. 25 of Understanding. 25 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. FURTHER QUESTIONS BY CHAIRMAN BARNES: 22 23 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 That's okay. 14 Okay. So that's Exhibit 15? I was a little So you've worked with the Jewish Federation of A. That's correct. I apologize. St. Louis previous to coming over to The Mission Continues? Q. CHAIRMAN BARNES: That's It could have helped earlier. REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 19 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: I do remember this. BY REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON: that somewhere, but I'm not -- and then here is the Exhibit 22 Right. the 600 bucks I was -- $635 I was talking about. 18 21 Exhibit A is an exhibit to The Exhibit 19, which you've had the opportunity to review about when Mr. Greitens came back JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 53 Page 54 1 from sabbatical that triggered the transition, did you take 1 was a six-month program where we would select anywhere from 2 part in any transition planning for The Mission Continues 2 60 to 80 veterans four times a year and they would be in 3 organization? 3 this fellowship program for approximately six months. 4 A. 4 5 Not -- by transition you mean how we would handle with Eric leaving? 6 Q. How to get from Eric being there to Eric not 7 being there? 8 A. Not -- no. Basically Eric recommended to the We would -- our goal was to help them transition 5 back to citizenship. 6 they would be sitting in the family basement, you know, And by that I mean a lot of times 7 PTSD, a lot of different things wrong. 8 get them either back in school to secure a job or, you know, back in life, okay? And our goal was to 9 Board that Spencer Kympton take on the role of president. 9 10 And the Board discussed it and determined that that would 10 11 be the best trans-- would be the thing to do. 11 plan, and there were a lot of veterans coming back that 12 12 really were in school and did have jobs, but they still 13 was going to get from Point A to Point B in just as strong 13 were having transition problems because they missed their 14 a shape as it was at the beginning, did you have a role in 14 camaraderie of what they were doing. 15 that or were you just generally aware of those -- of those 15 things for their community and giving back. 16 plans? 16 17 Q. A. And as far as the plan of how the organization And what we figured was, this was an intensive You've got to remember that Eric, strategically, So we developed this concept of platoons, service 17 platoons. 18 started out with 12 in different cities, and then we -- you And it was an all volunteer-type group. We 18 is a very planned out person, okay? 19 Mission Continues after Eric left was geared around -- he 19 know, when I left we were at about 60 I believe around the 20 was the genesis of the idea that has created a lot of the 20 different cities in the country. 21 new growth, which was service platoons. 21 22 Okay. And the growth of The They missed doing That's something that we, as a management 60 vets. They would -- so the touch got bigger that way. 23 team, developed -- actually worked with Fleishman-Hillard a 23 24 little bit on it too. 24 25 after our fellowship program, which a fellowship program JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 We developed that the next thing CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 So your touch then is -- a platoon could be 25 to 22 25 They would do service projects. They would meet. Eric was the genesis of that thought. and ran with it, okay? JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 We took it And, you know, so the transition CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 55 1 plan was let's execute what we got. 2 You know, let's continue doing a good fellowship Page 56 1 counsel. 2 with the Committee. 3 program, but let's move into this new area that Eric had 3 4 developed, helped developed. 4 5 And as far as the transition -- normally you We appreciate your candor and your forthrightness Representative Austin noted you had a prepared statement. 5 Did you prepare that statement? Let me put it this way, if you want to submit 6 think of transition as to who is going to do what after 6 7 someone is gone, but we had a pretty strong group of 7 8 leaders. 8 If you are going to submit it, I need to ask the question: 9 Did you prepare it by yourself exclusively, or did you have 9 You know, Spencer was a natural, I guess, to take that role. 11 that, you know -- you're talking about this guy can walk in 11 A. I prepared it my myself. 12 a room and everybody wants to talk to him. 12 Q. Okay. 13 this guy that I'm talking to you as a donor and they say, 13 A. Exclusively. 14 how is Eric, or where is Eric, can we talk to Eric? 14 Q. Okay. You talk about You know, it plays on the ego, okay? And I think 10 That's perfectly fine. If you don't, you don't have to, and that's fine. 10 15 I think he had some issues with Eric in a way that to us, you can. 15 any help preparing it? Exclusively? And did you have any conversations with anyone else before you came here to speak today? 16 that in that regard there was some issues, but anyway 16 17 that's -- 17 reason I came here was I -- I -- Eric asked me to talk to 18 Ed Dowd and his group and just see if there was anything I 19 could add or help or say. 18 Q. Okay. You are the first witness, I believe, who And there were a lot of A. No. I will say this: I did meet with -- the 19 appeared without counsel. 20 witnesses we didn't think needed counsel, but showed up 20 thought it would be a really good idea for me to meet with So I met with them, and they 21 with counsel anyway. 21 you people. 22 A. Are you saying I needed one? 22 Q. Okay. 23 Q. No. 23 A. It's mainly to clarify some things or answer 24 A. I'm worried now. 24 questions, because I was on the inside. 25 Q. You did not need -- you certainly did not need 25 long time. JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 I was there for a I was there after Eric left, but I have no -- CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 57 1 you know, I have no skin in this game at all now. 2 work there. I don't -- you know, I -- I -- I -- 3 Q. 4 Mr. Greitens? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Okay. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 I don't 3 It was very short. And your meeting with his lawyers, was That's a fair assessment. I'm one of them. I'm sorry. It was about a little over an hour. This conference room is more like a CHAIRMAN BARNES: 5 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 6 FURTHER QUESTIONS BY REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: Q. Representative Lauer? I want to go back. You said something in just the dialog that just happened that Eric was a very 9 strategic person and that he liked to have things planned out; is that right? A. He planned things out, okay? Yes. Yes. He -- 12 he -- he -- he didn't go into -- you know, I guess it's 13 kind of like going into battle. Q. Kind of like here, they're asking you questions? 14 run in there. A. Yeah. You just don't randomly He had a plan of building his business -- 15 Q. 16 clarify things they were wondering about; and, two, just to 16 A. -- building his organization. 17 see what my knowledge level was and what could I add to 17 Q. And was that his day-to-day nature, to be that 18 this whole process. 18 19 Q. They were just asking questions, one, to Thank you, Mr. Chair. 8 11 I didn't mean to insult you. Good enough. 4 10 That's a fair assessment. A. Q. conversation than anything else. 7 Lawyers, they are never -- it was -- no, it was -Q. can sit down, I'm happy to talk to anybody. 2 Did you have a lengthy conversation with that a lengthy meeting? A. Page 58 1 And then, of course, they asked you the question: Okay. way, from what you've seen? 19 A. Yes, it was, but he also expected people that 20 Would you be willing to speak to this, that or the 20 were involved in that plan to follow their -- to follow 21 Committee, and you said yes, and that's how we got 21 what was their responsibility. 22 connected? 22 check on you every day. 23 24 A. Exactly. That's correct. He said that. He 23 asked me if I would be willing to. 25 And I said, I'm not really a speaker, but if I JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 And he didn't come back and You know, he developed a plan, like, all right, 24 Jack, you're going to do this. 25 that. Spencer, you're going to do You know, this is your area of responsibility, then JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 59 Page 60 1 we would -- he would regularly check-in or talk about where 1 hit most of the things. 2 we were in the process. 2 mentioned this a little bit with the salaries and stuff -- 3 that, you know, the Board pressured Eric, or wanted Eric to 4 take a salary. 3 4 Q. Okay. Did you have any opportunity to observe him being impulsive? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Okay. Thank you. 7 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 8 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 9 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: 10 Any further questioning? 12 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 13 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: CHAIRMAN BARNES: The thing you should know is -It becomes an exhibit and If it becomes an exhibit, it will be a part of the report. 17 And even after he started taking a salary -- I 6 told you we went through this growth -- he was the third 7 highest paid employee in the organization. 8 9 So we'll leave it up to you. REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: Unless there is something you just want to share there that we haven't covered? 19 THE WITNESS: 20 CHAIRMAN BARNES: Let me read it real quick. That may be easier. Now, you know, if he was in it to take money out of the organization or do something like that, I think he would probably be the highest paid by far, okay? 11 then it's public. 15 18 If you would like me to? If there 21 is something -- because we've asked the questions. 22 23 24 So, you know, and salaries were driven -- were 12 driven by the Board. 13 his salary and -- but he -- he hired -- you know, he hired 14 people to -- paid them more than himself. 15 I think that says something you need to think about too. 16 I mean, they had to approve, like, I think that -- And he -- we -- one thing I mentioned in here is 17 we had an annual gala, and Eric, even if he didn't -- could 18 have -- didn't have to, but he always -- he always 19 purchased a table for his family to attend the gala. 20 You know, that's out of his pocket. He was -- he 21 donated a decent amount of money to The Mission Continues there is something we haven't asked or that you haven't had 22 every year. the opportunity to share that you wish to do so, that's 23 probably the better way to do this. 24 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 THE WITNESS: Thank you. If They wanted him to be -- 5 10 THE WITNESS: 16 So are you going to submit that or not? 11 14 Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think one thing -- and you I think you guys really CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb So you take that away from his salary too, so he was dedicated, okay? 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 He truly loved the organization. I think we've touched on everything that we -- CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 61 Page 62 1 that I had thought about that I wanted to make sure we 1 2 said, so I don't see why I need to submit this then. 2 (AN OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSION WAS HELD.) 3 (EXHIBIT NO. 22 WAS MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION.) 3 CHAIRMAN BARNES: Okay. Thank you. We really one. 4 appreciate you being willing to come down here and working 4 5 with us on schedule, because I know you had a bunch of 5 6 other things going on and being able to fit this in. 6 All those in favor will vote yes. 7 Mr. Secretary, please call the roll. 8 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 9 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 7 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 8 CHAIRMAN BARNES: 9 10 Absolutely. We really appreciate it. We're going to excuse you so we can talk about other committee business. 11 THE WITNESS: 12 (A BREAK WAS TAKEN.) 13 Okay. CHAIRMAN BARNES: I want the We need to vote to close Barnes? Aye. 10 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 11 REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS: Phillips? 12 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 13 REPRESENTATIVE MITTEN: Committee to be aware that we received an extra set of 14 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 15 e-mails from August of 2016. 15 REPRESENTATIVE LAUER: 16 Kympton to Austin Chambers and a response about use of 16 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 17 Mission Continues intellectual property in the campaign. 17 REPRESENTATIVE AUSTIN: 18 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 19 REPRESENTATIVE RHOADS: 20 SECRETARY CURCHIN: 21 REPRESENTATIVE PIERSON: 22 CHAIRMAN BARNES: It's an e-mail from Spencer Those -- everyone should have a copy now. 19 are upstairs. 20 enter it into the record. 21 draft report. 22 They I would like to mark that as an exhibit and Everyone has been looking at the I have taken Lyndsey Hodges' testimony and Aye. Mitten? 14 18 Back from a break. CHAIRMAN BARNES: tomorrow's meeting, which is on adjournment. Aye. Lauer? Aye. Austin? Aye. Rhoads? Aye. Pierson, Jr.? Aye. Seven ayes and zero nos. We 23 incorporated some new paragraphs of the report, kind of 23 have voted to close tomorrow afternoon's hearing of this 24 like we're reinventing the wheel on this draft. 24 Committee. 25 will do the same as soon as we have a transcript of this JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com And then I THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 25 We actually have a hearing room tomorrow and it JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 CAPITAL CITY COURT REPORTING www.capitalcitycourtreporting.com f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb THE LAKE AREA (573)365-5226 f54aaeeb-3318-46bf-b809-0c72ae797beb Page 63 1 will be in Room 5. Page 64 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 Any further business of the Committee? 2 3 This will conclude today's hearing of the House 3 I, Shelly L. Stewart, Certified Court Reporter, within and 4 for the State of Missouri, do hereby certify that I was 5 personally present at the proceedings had in the 6 above-entitled cause at the time and place set forth in the 7 caption sheet hereof; that I then and there took down in 8 Stenotype the proceedings had and produced with 9 computer-aided transcription and that the foregoing is a 10 full, true and correct transcript of such Stenotype notes 10 11 so made at such time and place. 11 12 12 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand on this 13 14 5th day of April 2018. 14 15 15 16 16 17 4 Special Committee On Investigative Oversight. 5 6 That's it. (END OF PROCEEDINGS.) 7 8 9 18 17 19 18 ____________________________ 19 20 20 21 21 22 22 23 23 24 24 25 25 JEFFERSON CITY (573)761-4350 SHELLY L. 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