IN RE: New Orleans City Council ____________________________________ Public Hearing October 16, 2017 __________________________________________ 504-833-3330 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 1 NEW ORLEANS CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING DOCKET NO. UD-1602 Held on Monday, the 16th of October 2017, located in the Council Chambers, commencing at 5:30 P.M. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 2 P R O C E E D I N G S 1 2 MR. STRATTON: Going on the record. 3 4 The time is 5:30 P.M. My name is Tom Stratton. 5 I'm 6 director of the regulatory office. 7 I get bumped by a councilmember, I'll be 8 keeping everything rolling this evening. 9 very happy to see all of you here. 10 And unless I am Thank you very much for coming. We are here, of course, for the 11 12 public hearing on the application of Entergy 13 New Orleans to construct a combustion turbine 14 power plant at the Michoud site of its former 15 power plant, and that application was filed in 16 the New Orleans City Council Docket UD-1602. 17 We're conducting this public hearing this 18 evening from 5:30 to 7:30 P.M. in accordance 19 with -- and here we get into a little bit of 20 legalese, but it's all for good purpose -- 21 Ordering Paragraph 13 of Resolution R 17426 and 22 as governed by City Council Code Section 23 158-431B to hear the comments from members of 24 the public regarding the application. Accordingly, as required by that 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 3 1 section of the code, no part of statements made 2 or evidence adduced at the at-large public 3 hearing shall, in legal terms, form and such 4 matters shall not form the basis of any Council 5 decision in a contested proceeding. 6 of the public at large who speaks as to such 7 and not as a party of record shall be compelled 8 to submit to cross-examination under an 9 instanter subpoena. No member (As read.) And we've got somebody here to say 10 11 what is an instanter subpoena if we get to that 12 point, but hopefully we won't. 13 feel free to speak and -- without concern about 14 being cross-examined if you're a member of the 15 public. 16 well then, a different rule could apply. In other words, If you're a party to the proceeding, The Council's interested in hearing 17 18 the public's opinion on this matter and for 19 that reason, we will be transcribing this 20 hearing and placing the transcript in the 21 record where all councilmembers will have 22 access to it whether they attend tonight or 23 not. 24 ultimate decision in this case on a careful 25 examination of all evidence and testimony However, the Council must base its (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 4 1 submitted to it by the parties of record 2 through the official hearing process in this 3 proceeding. If you wish, and many of you already 4 5 have, please fill out a comment card. 6 to Connolly who's over there under the screen 7 and waiving her hand and please be prepared to 8 speak for up to but not more than two minutes. 9 As you can see, there are many people in this 10 Hand it hearing so we're limiting it to two minutes. Members of the Council may appear. 11 12 None are here at the present time. We hope to 13 see some and, if not, as I mentioned, your 14 comments will be made available to them. In addition to Connolly, Brandon is 15 16 operating our live streaming and the hearing is 17 being recorded for the purpose of making it 18 available on the Council's website. 19 upstairs for that purpose as well. 20 Kathy here as the court reporter. 21 speak up and make yourselves heard so that her 22 job isn't any more difficult so that she can 23 catch what you're saying. 24 clearly, and slowly. Kenny is We have So please Speak loudly, Finally, Officer Martinez is here 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 5 1 with us this evening. And I promised these 2 folks that the hearing will conclude promptly 3 at 7:30, so please carefully consider the 4 following comments. 5 is for the Council to hear additional public 6 comment about the New Orleans power station 7 proposal. 8 docket and their official representatives have 9 multiple opportunities in the docket to make The purpose of the hearing There are a number of parties to the 10 their views known to the Council, including the 11 opportunity to file testimony, to make an oral 12 argument during the hearing, and to file a 13 post-hearing brief. Because we would like to provide as 14 15 much opportunity as possible at this hearing 16 for the members of the public who do not have 17 these opportunities to make these views known 18 to the Council otherwise, we're going to hold 19 any comments from parties of record until the 20 end of the hearing after all non-party members 21 of the public have had an opportunity to speak 22 if there is time. 23 danger of running out of time and if and when 24 we get to the official parties of record, we 25 will ask that only one representative of each (504) 833-3330 If it appears we're in Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 6 1 party of record speak so that an equal 2 opportunity can be given to all parties of 3 record. 4 within the two-hour time frame, we certainly 5 will, but as mentioned given the numerous other 6 opportunities for parties of record to put 7 their thoughts into the record before the 8 Council, we're prioritizing comments from the 9 non-party public. If we have time to take everyone Thanks in advance for your 10 11 cooperation. This will help assure that the 12 Council has the benefit of the point of view of 13 as many different citizens on the record as 14 possible when it's making its decision. When I call your name, please come 15 16 up to the podium and then please make your 17 comments. Thank you. 18 The first person is Ben Gordon. 19 Thank you, Mr. Gordon. If you'd let 20 us know where you live and make your comments, 21 we'd appreciate it. 22 running a two-minute clock starting when you 23 start. 24 Brandon is going to be MR. GORDON: All righty. 25 (504) 833-3330 I'd like to say I'm Ben Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 7 1 Gordon. I'm with Pax Christian, a national 2 Catholic peace organization, Veterans for 3 Peace, and I also work with the Green Party off 4 and on. I'd like to thank the Council -- Oh, 5 6 I live in the Ninth Ward off of St. Claude 7 Avenue ever since Katrina. I'd like to say that I'm here 8 9 against the power plant because I think we must 10 begin to focus globally and nationally and 11 locally on energy efficiency and alternatives 12 to fossil fuels. 13 Affordable Energy, Sierra Club, and Deep South 14 Center for Environmental Justice have submitted 15 to the Council position papers focusing on many 16 things, like energy efficiency, renewable 17 energy, and battery storage and transmission 18 upgrades, all those which affect -- Groups like the Alliance for What I'd like to say is just to say 19 20 something very simple. 21 first one to speak because I was going to 22 bounce off what others said, but that's the way 23 it works out. 24 look at the earth in space, you'll see it is a 25 limited space. (504) 833-3330 I didn't want to be the If you look at the globe, if you It's very large, but the Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 8 1 atmosphere is very limited, you know, compared 2 to other plants. 3 the Industrial Age, we're been importing all 4 different types of chemicals into it, you know, 5 and so I think this summer is an example of 6 what's to come with the problems of global 7 warming because this is one plus one equals 8 two. 9 which I am not. And if you keep -- ever since You don't have to be a rocket scientist, Okay? But if we have a 10 limited space where the globe is and you keep 11 pumping all types of chemicals into it, not 12 only from the burning of fossil fuels, but from 13 other sources -- we've got to find ways to 14 focus on renewable energy. 15 simple to me. Thank you. 16 17 It seems very MR. STRATTON: 18 Thank you very much, Mr. Gordon. 19 I should mention as well that we 20 received several e-mails and with the request 21 that they be read at this meeting, but, again, 22 our priority is to give folks who are present 23 the opportunity to be heard and so we're going 24 to defer on that. Next up is Charles Thomas. 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 9 MR. THOMAS: 1 Good evening. 2 Thank you for this 3 opportunity with respect -- thank you for this 4 opportunity. My name is Charles Thomas. 5 6 native New Orleanian. 7 Orleans East since 1972. I've lived in New It's my opinion, I hope the Council 8 9 I'm a build the plant. Number 1, Entergy has been a 10 great, great corporate citizen. 11 there is no issues with environmental concerns 12 as far as any empirical data. 13 need the plant in New Orleans East just in case 14 we need energy from other areas we will not 15 get. 16 definitely should be built according to the 17 standards that Entergy put forth. 18 Number 2, Number 2, we And I think in my opinion, the plant MR. STRATTON: 19 Thank you very much, Mr. Thomas. 20 Next up is Howard Rogers. 21 MR. RODGERS: Good evening. 22 I'm Howard Rodgers, 23 executive director of the New Orleans Council 24 on Aging. 25 Program with Entergy funds. (504) 833-3330 We also administer the Power to Care Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 10 I'm in support of the plant because 1 2 Entergy has always been a good corporate 3 partner, especially working with us with the 4 elderly population. 5 gas-fired plant, gas is an energy that we 6 utilize that does not have any kind of 7 additional effects. And, also, you know, this is the 8 9 And since this is a question that I always ask. What happens one 10 of those days when you go to turn the power on 11 and there's no power there? 12 that's 300 years old. 13 with our infrastructure. 14 our water system, so let's not let our power 15 system go to pot. We need to do something We already know about Thank you. 16 17 We live in a city MR. STRATTON: 18 Thank you, Mr. Rogers. 19 Next up is Trinity Chambers. 20 21 And after that, will be Benjamin Wood. MS. CHAMBERS: 22 Hello. How are y'all? 23 So I'm for the power plant. 24 about green energy. 25 project will address immediate need for (504) 833-3330 I'm all I understand that this Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 11 1 reliable power from clean burning natural gas 2 and that in the long run, this power station 3 will be supported by a mature market for 4 renewable fuel so it is economically feasible. This company, I know, is bringing 5 6 solar online and the new power station can be a 7 candidate for that. 8 clean fuel that's already ready now. 9 sorry. But let the ball roll with I'm MR. STRATTON: 10 11 Thank you, Ms. Chambers. 12 Mr. Wood. MR. WOOD: 13 Yes, hold on. 14 MR. STRATTON: 15 Please make certain to speak right 16 17 up and into the microphone so that the court 18 reporter can catch your comments. 19 important and we want to capture them. 20 you. Alexander. Go ahead, Mr. Wood. 23 24 Thank After Mr. Wood will be Kailey 21 22 They're MR. WOOD: My name is Benjamin Wood. 25 (504) 833-3330 I live in Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 12 1 the Ninth Ward. I am a local tax-paying 2 citizen and I am in favor of the power plant. Realistically, folks, it's 2017. 3 We 4 have had way too much flooding problems from 5 electrical power not being able to convert for 6 the pumps, I, for one, personally feel 7 neglected by this. 8 modern power plant? 9 had so many outages. Can we just get a reliable, During the storms, we've A modern power station would be kind 10 11 of an insurance policy in a city where the 12 electricity is cut off so often. 13 feeling like we're living in a third world 14 country. I'm tired of This is the United States of America. It is 2017, going on 2018, and we 15 16 have to worry about these frequent water boil 17 advisories and so on and so forth. 18 be concerned that a grandmother or a son or a 19 pet could possibly drink or take in some 20 brain-eating ameba. I have to Things have got to change. 21 If putting the power center at the 22 Michoud plant site is what it takes to have a 23 livable infrastructure and not endure frequent 24 cascading outages and disruptions in electric 25 services, then I am 100 percent behind it. (504) 833-3330 You Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 13 1 know, Nate was a big bark, no bite, and we 2 dodged that bullet, but for the weeks leading 3 up to it, there was constant worry about 4 whether the pumps would hold up or if the winds 5 would knock out our power grids. 6 You, the Council, need to really 7 green light this power plant to improve the 8 lives of the citizens of New Orleans. 9 here to state energy interruptions like this 10 are no longer acceptable in the state of New 11 Orleans. Thank you. 12 13 MR. STRATTON: 14 Thank you, Mr. Wood. 15 Kailey Alexander. 16 17 And after will be Tiger Hammond. MS. CHAMBERS: My name is Kailey Alexander. 18 19 We are I am in favor of the power plant. I keep hoping New Orleans would turn 20 21 a corner. 22 that are livable. 23 pays in retail. 24 other cities that are robust and lifestyles are 25 optimistic. (504) 833-3330 I want to see us start earning wages We just can't get by on what I read about economies in I want that for New Orleans. I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 14 1 want that for East New Orleans, my neighbor. Folks, if we don't address this 2 3 blackout issue, no serious employer is going to 4 invest here. I mean, why would they? We have a utility that serves this 5 6 community. They employ a lot of people. 7 support a lot of folks in this town. 8 that help. 9 a business to run. They are a decent poor. They Causes They have My point is these blackouts persist 10 11 and I don't see anything being done about them. 12 Get this new plant up and running, for goodness 13 sake. 14 of energy. 15 conforms to all environmental permitting, all 16 the rules and regulations to be safe. It's an environmentally friendly source We have agencies to be sure it My point is this: 17 Without a project 18 like this, there is not a business anywhere 19 that will say, "Hey, we're going to locate a 20 new venture here and hire some people and pay 21 them something decent." 22 will is because they know this city has not 23 just buried its head in the sand and find a 24 realistic way to keep the power on when a 25 Category 3 or more gusts in here. (504) 833-3330 And the reason they Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 15 Thank you. 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 3 Thank you. 4 Next up is Tiger Hammond. 5 And after will be Colin Branton. MR. HAMMOND: 6 Good afternoon. 7 Thank you for your 8 time. My name is Robert Tiger Hammond. Our 9 office -- I represent the Southeast Louisiana 10 Building and Construction Trades Council with 11 over 8,000 construction workers. 12 leaders of every one of those 17 affiliated 13 unions is sitting right here in the front and 14 second row and, with that, we rise in favor of 15 this power plant. Many of our I can tell you at trade, I am an 16 17 electrician, went through a four-year 18 apprenticeship program. 19 the two. 20 river. 21 Mobil Oil is now. 22 Valero. 23 many, many plants. 24 was proud to say I was born and raised in the 25 City of New Orleans until I got married and I worked 18 years with I worked every plant up and down the I worked -- I worked Tenneco, which is I worked Tenneco, which is I've worked the nuclear power houses, (504) 833-3330 Until I was 26 years old, I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 16 1 moved into St. Bernard right in between those 2 two plants. 3 family that I raised was in danger because of 4 hazards. Never once did I feel that my Let me tell you something. 5 I've 6 worked at that Michoud power plant and I'll 7 tell you right now, that was one of the safest 8 plants I have ever worked in all the way up and 9 down the river and I'm going to say they all 10 were safe. But it was clean. 11 environmental. It was When we have strong winds, not 12 13 hurricanes, strong winds, we lose power. When 14 we have floods from hard rains, not talking 15 about a Category 3 or 4 hurricane, we lose 16 power. 17 Sewerage and Water Board. 18 for hospitals, nursing homes, everything along 19 the board. We not only have to look out for We have to look out So I rise as an electrician 20 21 representing 8,000 workers to say we fully 22 support the construction of this new plant that 23 over 50 years it sat there and never one time 24 did it have any hazards to the community or to 25 any of their employees. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 17 Thank you. 1 2 MR. STRATTON: 3 Thank you, Mr. Hammond. 4 Next up is Colin Branton. 5 6 Colin Branton is Herman Netzhamer. MR. BRANTON: I'm Colin Branton. 7 8 And after I'm a business manager of Ironworkers Local 58 in New Orleans. We're most definitely in support of 9 10 this plant. You already have the 11 infrastructure there. 12 was run safely without incident. 13 infrastructure. 14 technology with a brand-new plant that will run 15 much cleaner, more efficiently. 16 got the transmissions lines there. 17 you put it anywhere or why wouldn't you use the 18 cleanest fuel available? The plant that was there You have the You're replacing old, outdated You've already Solar can't do the job. 19 Why would You don't 20 have enough square acreage there to put enough 21 solar panels to put out the kind of megawatts 22 we need. 23 for windmills. 24 You don't have enough room for enough battery 25 storage and then you got to worry about the (504) 833-3330 You know, you don't have enough room The sun doesn't always shine. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 18 1 batteries going out and the environmental 2 impact of old batteries. Again, natural gas is about the 3 4 cleanest thing you got, much cleaner than coal, 5 much cleaner than oil. 6 support of the plant. 7 We're definitely in MR. STRATTON: 8 Thank you, Mr. Branton. 9 Next is Herman Netzhamer. 10 that correct? Do I have And after will be John Johnson. 11 (No response.) 12 If Herman is not here, then John 13 14 Johnson will be next. MR. JOHNSON: Thank you. 15 16 Representing John Johnson, Icon for Peace. Four talk points that reflect our 17 18 position for the power station. 19 power plant because without it, New Orleans, it 20 is at risk of brownouts, blackouts throughout 21 the city. 22 the 1960s and this new, modern plant will have 23 minimal environmental impact. 24 Orleans is a good community partner, supports 25 economic development, and brings hundreds of (504) 833-3330 We need this A plant safely operated there since Entergy New Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 19 1 million of dollars to benefit the city. Having 2 this unit will help keep our lights on, would 3 help attract new business to the city, and 4 would help us recover faster after a major 5 storm. In closing, we have common sense, 6 7 good sense, and nonsense. 8 works for the city. 9 money and we need it. Common sense is it Good sense is it makes Nonsense is not to use 10 the people that are here that are experts such 11 as Mr. Charles Rice and Mr. Kenneth 12 (Inaudible). Thank you very much for your time. 13 MR. STRATTON: 14 Next up is Johnny Rock. 15 16 And after will be Otto Munch. MR. ROCK: 17 Hi. 18 I'm Johnny Rock. I live in 19 Mid-City. And six months ago, I was ready to 20 leave New Orleans, my home, the city that I 21 love. 22 homelessness, and the devastation brought on by 23 inevitable hurricanes and storms. 24 drive to New Orleans East, my heart breaks 25 seeing the graffiti-covered vacant buildings I can see it crumbling, the crime, the (504) 833-3330 Every time I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 20 1 and abandoned apartment complexes and homes. 2 decided to stay and help fight and bring the 3 city back to a thriving city. I am for the power plant. 4 I I believe 5 it will improve the economy, create jobs. 6 After our last flood, I spent two days with 7 nothing but a bucket and a shovel cleaning out 8 a storm drain in front of my building. 9 doing my part. I'm I ask you, the City Council, to 10 do your part and green light this power plant. 11 What good will the pumps do if there's no power 12 to run them? 13 bucks for my utilities if it's going to bring 14 me comfort and knowing that I will not be 15 without power during a storm. 16 inevitable, but being without power should not 17 be. I do not mind paying a few extra Thank you. 18 MR. STRATTON: 19 20 Thank you, Mr. Rock. 21 Next is Otto Munch. 22 And after will be Emanuel Mitchell, Sr. MR. MUNCH: 23 How you doing? 24 25 Hurricanes are Munch. My name is Otto Born and raised in Gentilly and still (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 21 1 reside in Gentilly. Just reflect on what two of the 2 3 previous speakers talked about. Right up the 4 road from the power house is an abandoned 5 amusement park that is a eyesore to New Orleans 6 East. 7 Now you have an abandoned power plant in New 8 Orleans East. 9 the arm for New Orleans East. I feel this will be a shot in the arm. This would be a great shot in Also, what the another gentleman 10 11 said, what would you do with the old batteries? 12 What do you do with the solar panels? 13 going to be like getting a cable company. 14 You're going to have to rent solar panels and 15 you will be indebted to them for the rest of 16 your life. Thank you. 17 18 Is this MR. STRATTON: 19 Thank you, Mr. Munch. 20 Emanuel Mitchell, Sr., and following 21 22 will be Benjamin Quimby. MR, MITCHELL: Good evening. 23 My name is Emanuel 24 Mitchell, Sr. 25 Local 1846 out of New Orleans. (504) 833-3330 I represent the Carpenters I was born and Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 22 1 raised in New Orleans in the upper Ninth Ward. 2 And I still -- I reside in Gonzales, Louisiana, 3 now. I'm highly in favor of supporting 4 5 the plant, the Entergy plant. I done worked at 6 the Entergy plant for ten years at Waterford 3. 7 It's highly clean. 8 I don't see nothing wrong with it. 9 common sense that, you know, we need to build It's highly clean energy. It's just 10 something in New Orleans regarding that. 11 brings many jobs all over the City of New 12 Orleans throughout all the build -- with the 13 building trades, with everybody. 14 I'm highly in favor of supporting the plant. 15 It So I see that MR. STRATTON: 16 Thank you, Mr. Mitchell. 17 Next is Benjamin Quimby, followed by 18 19 Zack Rosenberg. MR. QUIMBY: Good evening. 20 21 Quimby. My name is Benjamin I live at 1621 South Rampart. I'm speaking tonight to voice my 22 23 opposition to both of Entergy's proposed gas 24 plant and specifically to draw attention to 25 just how unnecessary I believe these plants to (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 23 1 be. 2 city. 3 outages in Orleans Parish between June of 2016 4 and May of 2017 and yet 98 percent of those 5 outages were caused by problems with the 6 distribution system; in other words, the power 7 lines. 8 fixed with a new plant. 9 build a new plant to fix them, you're betting 10 Power outages are all too common in this We know this. There were almost 2,600 None of those outages would have been I think if you want to on the wrong horse. Second, the primary function of 11 12 these plants would be to provide electricity 13 during periods of peak demand and they would 14 only operate about 1 percent of the time. 15 Demand for electricity in New Orleans is 16 expected to remain flat for the next two 17 decades, meaning that we really have no urgent 18 need for a new gas plant. 19 $200 million that Entergy wishes to spend of 20 our money on these plants were instead invested 21 in a combination of energy efficiency, 22 renewable energy sources spread throughout the 23 city, and battery storage, there would be no 24 need whatsoever for a peaking gas plant. If the more than Third, Entergy argues that a new 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 24 1 plant is needed to provide electricity 2 generation in an emergency. 3 build one of these plants, we're putting all of 4 our eggs in one basket, all of our generation 5 in the city would be in one location. 6 accident or extreme weather event causes the 7 plant to shut down, it would be useless. 8 Distributed sources of renewable energy and 9 battery storage would allow our city to be much However, if we If an 10 more resilient as we see extreme weather 11 becoming much more common. 12 lighting this gas plant that we don't need, 13 let's have an honest conversation about New 14 Orleans' energy needs and how we can best 15 provide a smart, sustainable, and equitable 16 energy future for our city. 17 if such a conversation takes place, the Council 18 will decide to oppose this gas plant. I'm confident that Thank you. 19 20 Instead of green MR. STRATTON: 21 Thank you, Mr. Quimby. 22 Next is Zack Rosenberg. 23 Rosenberg? 24 Charles Ravaglia. 25 Is it And after Mr. Rosenberg will be MR. ROSENBERG: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 25 My name is Zack Rosenberg, the 1 2 founder of SBD. Councilmember Guidry and 3 4 Councilmember Williams, thank you for investing 5 the attention that this deserves and for your 6 earnest commitment to this city. 7 you very much. We support this power plant for the 8 9 We appreciate following reasons: First of all, one thing we 10 haven't talked about is the economic stress on 11 the citizens of New Orleans East. 12 recently a tornado there and while many of the 13 citizens had flood insurance, because that was 14 seen as the biggest threat and peril, many of 15 the homeowners did not have homeowner 16 insurance. 17 extremely mindful of the cost burden of more 18 expensive energy on citizens who are merely 19 trying to get by. There was I think it's essential to be Two, I think it warrants a look at 20 21 Entergy's corporate citizenship and the 22 characteristics of their leadership. 23 speak personally due to their investment of 24 SBP. 25 AmeriCorps and -- I can When we needed to launch a large sale (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 26 1 Congratulations. 2 Thank you for your service. Great to see you. When SBP needed to launch a larger 3 4 scale AmeriCorps program, Entergy was there. 5 When SBP needed to launch a program that 6 incorporated veterans into our AmeriCorps 7 program, Entergy was there. 8 to focus on energy efficiency, things that 9 would require less business to Entergy, Entergy When SBP started 10 was there. When the tornado hit New Orleans 11 East, the first and most pronounced company 12 investing in this recovery was Entergy. 13 is a company whose leadership I trust as a 14 steward in our community. This Finally, we talk about some of the 15 16 challenges in New Orleans. Jobs is a big one. 17 While some city agencies may struggle and other 18 contractors may struggle to hire challenged 19 populations that have been, you know -- I'm 20 missing the word, but not treated well, 21 Entergy, I believe, has the commitment to hire 22 very diversely, courageously, and in a robust 23 manner. 24 there for our city. 25 It's going to make energy affordable. I trust this company. (504) 833-3330 They've been We need this power plant. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 27 Thank you. 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 Thank you, Mr. Ravaglia -- Thank 3 4 you, Mr. Rosenberg. And next up, Charles Ravaglia. 5 6 after will be Alan C. Kohorst. MR. RAVAGLIA: 7 Good evening. 8 9 And Orleans native. Charles Ravaglia, New I live in Lakeview currently. I've worked in the solar industry 10 11 since 2011. 12 rewarding career. 13 I'm up here asking the Council to consider that 14 in lieu of the gas power plant. 15 currently installing a seven -- over 700 16 megawatt system on the west bank coinciding 17 with the 1.3 megawatt system in Baton Rouge as 18 well. 19 considering some clean -- other clean sources 20 of energy. We're Thank you. MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 23 24 It's still a viable option. So just think about it when you're 21 22 It's provided a career for me, a MR. FELDMAN: How y'all doing? 25 (504) 833-3330 I'm Will Feldman. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 28 1 I work with Charles. I'm a recent graduate -- MR. STRATTON: 2 Sir, I don't have a card for you. 3 4 Is Mr. Kohorst ceding his remaining time to 5 you? MR. RAVAGLIA: 6 Yes. 7 MR. FELDMAN: 8 And I apologize for that. 9 MR. STRATTON: 10 Mr. Ravaglia. 11 MR. RAVAGLIA: 12 Yes, sir. 13 MR. FELDMAN: 14 Yeah, I apologize for that. 15 MR. STRATTON: 16 It would better to have a card, I 17 18 19 I'm sorry. think. MR. FELDMAN: Yeah. 20 I turned one in. I was just 21 going to all speak together so it would be more 22 cohesive. 23 MR. STRATTON: Well, the way we're set up, we have 24 25 Yeah. cards for the speakers. (504) 833-3330 I'm a little bit Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 29 1 uncomfortable. 2 has an opinion on this, but my belief is that 3 you ought to have a card if you're going to 4 speak. 5 welcome to fill one out. 6 So let's stick to that. Did you fill out a card? MR. FELDMAN: I did, yeah. 9 10 MR. STRATTON: Oh, you did? 11 12 Will Feldman. COUNCILWOMAN GUIDRY: You did fill out a card? 15 16 17 It's going to take forever to find it. MR. FELDMAN: Yeah. 18 19 What's your name? MR. FELDMAN: 13 14 And you're COUNCILWOMAN GUIDRY: 7 8 I don't know whether Council MR. STRATTON: 20 But if you filled out a card and 21 turned it in and if he's ceding his time to 22 you, why don't you go ahead? 23 MR. FELDMAN: Thank you. 24 25 Like I said, a recent Tulane graduate, from California. (504) 833-3330 I came here Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 30 1 to work in renewables. The key thing that's missing between 2 3 here and California is that California has a 4 lot of key policymakers who are really in 5 support of renewables and I feel that that's 6 definitely missing from New Orleans. 7 really hope that we would have a real 8 independent analysis about other alternative 9 sources of energy before green lighting this 10 power plant. So thank you for your time. 11 12 MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 13 14 MR. RAVAGLIA: Thank you all for that. 15 16 MR. STRATTON: You're done? 17 18 21 Okay. Thank you. And I did find your card. Next up is Alan Kohorst. 19 20 So I And after Mr. Kohorst will be Michael Williamson. MR. KOHORST: 22 I'm Al Kohorst, vice president of 23 social enterprises at Volunteers of America. 24 I've enjoyed this wonderful organization for 25 the last 19 years serving our community's most (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 31 1 vulnerable citizens. Last years we served over 50,000 2 3 people, including children and their families, 4 the elderly, people with intellectual 5 disabilities, veterans, the homeless, and those 6 with mental health issues, all striving to be 7 the best that they can be. 8 on behalf of Entergy and the many wonderful 9 projects that they have undertaken to support I'd like to speak 10 our mission to make New Orleans a thriving 11 community. Over the last ten plus years, 12 13 Entergy has actively supported us 14 philanthropically by helping us to create over 15 900 housing units for elderly and working 16 families, including police, fire, and 17 healthcare professionals. 18 embark on our fresh food factor program that 19 now serves over 2 million healthy meals in 17 20 schools and impacting over 7,500 school 21 children in New Orleans, Entergy stepped 22 forward to help our organization with startup 23 funding. 24 New Orleans East and would benefit greatly from 25 new energy sources. (504) 833-3330 Likewise, as we Many of the schools we serve are in Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 32 Entergy has enabled us to leverage 1 2 their valuable resources so that we can make a 3 significant impact in our community. 4 has been an esteemed corporate partner and we 5 have cherished our relationship with this great 6 organization. 7 Entergy's efforts to improve the lives of this 8 great city. Volunteers of America supports Thank you. 9 10 Entergy MR. STRATTON: 11 Thank you, Mr. Kohorst. 12 Michael Williamson followed by 13 14 Parviz Rastgoufard. MR. WILLIAMSON: Michael Williamson, CEO of United 15 16 Way of Southeast Louisiana located at 2515 17 Canal Street here in New Orleans. 18 Councilmembers. 19 inviting United Way to speak on behalf of 20 Entergy's longstanding commitment to our 21 community. Thank you, Thank you, Charles Rice, for United Way embarked on a process and 22 23 a reapproach to creating lasting change in 24 southeast Louisiana through research and 25 community engagement. (504) 833-3330 It became clear that Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 33 1 poverty is the fundamental issue in the region 2 and a root cause for so many of our social 3 problems. 4 mission on eradicating poverty. In the end, we set a bold new Entergy has been a part of our 5 6 process from the beginning and well before 7 partnering to tackle our community's most 8 pressing issues, funding both our ALICE Report 9 and our Blueprint for Prosperity. Entergy 10 continues to support a holistic approach and 11 understanding and tackling the symptoms of 12 poverty through our program Attic and 13 collaborative grants. Since 2012, Entergy and its 14 15 employees have contributed more than 16 $10 million to the betterment of our community 17 through United Way alone, funding financial 18 stability initiatives, putting dollars back in 19 the pockets of our neighbors, plus supporting 20 their income tax credit and incentivized 21 savings programs and providing disaster relief 22 to flood and tornado victims. But just last week, I was fortunate 23 24 to witness Entergy's extraordinary commitment 25 to the people of New Orleans firsthand. (504) 833-3330 We Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 34 1 recognize former Entergy Corporation chairman 2 and CEO, Wayne Leonard, and announce the naming 3 of our new financial literacy center as the 4 J. Wayne Leonard Center for Prosperity. In Mr. Leonard's remarks, he made it 5 6 clear that Entergy's commitments to the people 7 of New Orleans isn't skin deep. 8 the culture at Entergy to be one of people 9 first and always those in need. He (inaudible) And I can 10 speak at length about Mr. Leonard's vision for 11 a more caring and conscientious Entergy and the 12 realities of that vision today, but actions 13 always speak louder than words. 14 Thursday, Entergy dedicated another $1 million 15 to the new Prosperity Center and its mission to 16 lift individuals and families out of poverty 17 and into financial stability. On last The bottom line is Entergy is 18 19 committed to creating a stronger, more 20 prosperous and more equitable New Orleans. 21 United Way is grateful to Entergy -- to call 22 Entergy a partner in our fight to build better 23 and brighter futures for all. Thank you. 24 25 MR. STRATTON: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 35 1 Thank you. 2 Parviz Rastgoufard followed by 3 4 Gordon Wadge. MR. RASTGOUFARD: This is wonderful. 5 Good evening. 6 My name is Parviz Rastgoufard. I'm professor 7 of electric engineering at University of New 8 Orleans. I would like to speak, if you would, 9 10 about the relationship that UNO and Entergy 11 have developed since 2007. 12 Katrina and the establishment of the Entergy 13 endowed chair, which was a $2 million 14 investment for higher education and also 15 bachelor degree education. 16 Entergy and Tulane University had several 17 projects going and I was there at Tulane 18 University since 1987, '87 to 2007. 19 the two universities, I have graduated more 20 than a hundred master's and Ph.D. students and 21 perhaps close to 900 undergraduate students. That is right after Prior to 2007, Between These fundings that Entergy invests 22 23 on the city is very valuable to education 24 system and I'd like to appreciate their help 25 and I trust in the leadership of the company. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 36 Thank you. 1 2 MR. STRATTON: 3 Thank you. 4 Next is Gordon Wadge or "Wadge" 5 6 followed by Shannon Cvitanovic. MR. WADGE: Shannon "Cvitanovic" will follow me. 7 8 MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 9 10 MR. WADGE: Thank you. 11 12 MR. STRATTON: I appreciate that very much. 13 14 MR. WADGE: Thank you for the opportunity to 15 16 share a few words, and I appreciate our 17 councilmembers being here. 18 mayoral candidate being here to hear from the 19 community. I appreciate our I serve as the CEO of the YMCA of 20 21 Greater New Orleans. 22 New Orleans community since 1852, so a little 23 bit longer than Entergy, but are grateful to 24 have Entergy as our corporate partner in so 25 much of the work that we do in this community. (504) 833-3330 We've been serving the Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 37 1 I also am privileged to serve as the chair of 2 the board of the Louisiana Alliance of YMCAs 3 and chair of the board of the Louisiana Public 4 Health Institute, and I've served on other 5 nonprofit boards in this community as well. And I can tell you that Entergy is a 6 7 faithful corporate partner and puts great 8 thought into all of the efforts that they get 9 behind in our community. So I think that same 10 great thought translates into the work that 11 they will put into this new power plant and I'm 12 grateful to have Entergy in this community. And I'll hand the mic to my 13 14 15 colleague, Shannon Cvitanovic. MR. STRATTON: 16 Thank you. 17 After Shannon will be Richard 18 19 Arnold. MS. CVITANOVIC: Good evening. 20 My name is Shannon 21 Cvitanovic, and I'm the director of YMCA 22 Educational Services, which provides adult 23 literacy and high school diploma classes to 24 adults in downtown, Gentilly, and also in New 25 Orleans East. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 38 It's thanks to the support of 1 2 corporate partners such as Entergy that we are 3 able to provide all of our services for free. 4 They have been a faithful partner of ours for 5 over ten years, bringing us from where we were 6 post-Katrina with so few resources, serving 7 only a hundred and fifty students a year to now 8 over 650 a year. 9 support. We greatly appreciate their Entergy understands that if we want 10 to eradicate poverty in this city, we have to 11 address adult education. 12 very much and support them. Thank you. 13 14 So we appreciate them MR. STRATTON: 15 Thank you. 16 Next, Richard Arnold followed by 17 18 Natalie Jayroe. COUNCILWOMAN GUIDRY: Folks, if I may, there's apparently 19 20 a lot of folks who are coming in later but they 21 can't come in because we're at capacity. 22 you-all could do so after you've spoken, if you 23 wouldn't mind -- if you'd like to stay, stay, 24 of course, but if you wouldn't mind leaving and 25 letting other people be able to come in and (504) 833-3330 So if Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 39 1 speak, that would be great. Thank you. 2 MR. ARNOLD: 3 Thank you. 4 Richard Arnold here 5 speaking on behalf of Covenant House, New 6 Orleans, and also a resident of New Orleans. I'd like to echo the prior comments 7 8 about Entergy's commitment to our community, 9 but also just add personally that I am very 10 much in favor of investing in energy 11 renewables, but I don't think it's an 12 either/or. 13 natural gas is an ideal bridge fuel that will 14 help us get to our long-term renewable goals 15 because it's clean and it's cheap and 16 abundantly -- regionally abundant. 17 support the plant. I think it's a both/and. I think So I Thank you. 18 MR. STRATTON: 19 20 Thank you. 21 Natalie Jayroe followed by Alicia 22 23 Coske. MS. JAYROE: Thank you, members of the City 24 25 Council. (504) 833-3330 I'm Natalie Jayroe. I'm the Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 40 1 president and CEO of Second Harvest Food Bank 2 and I live in Mid-City. I also want to speak in support of 3 4 Entergy as a fabulous community partner. It's 5 because of a great community partner and 6 organizations like Entergy that Second Harvest 7 is able to provide 34 million meals a year and 8 serve 210,000 people, including many people in 9 the neighborhood that we're talking about, 10 Little Woods, Love In Action, Mary Queen of 11 Vietnam, the G.W. Carver school pantry, and 12 Pope, the Food Pantry. 13 Entergy has been alongside us with 14 every disaster and every hurricane, including 15 the oil spill and the recent tornados, and I've 16 stood alongside members of Entergy as we've 17 advocated on behalf of the people of this 18 community and all their needs. 19 speak strongly in favor of Entergy and I trust 20 them to do what's right for the community. 21 So I'd like to MR. STRATTON: 22 Thank you. 23 Alicia Coske will be followed by 24 25 Chris Barrilleaux. MS. COSKE: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 41 Hello. 1 My name is Alicia Coske. 2 I'm a public health professional here in New 3 Orleans, District B. And my question is have we as 4 5 taxpayers and ratepayers heard a compelling 6 case for the actual need for this plant? 7 heard a lot about Entergy's record as a 8 corporate partner, but that's not what this is 9 about. We've This is about the need for this plant, 10 and I don't think we've heard that case. We 11 have heard previous speakers say that over a 12 12-year span in 2016 or '17, we saw 2,600 13 outages in New Orleans. 14 of them were due to distribution line failure. 15 Zero percent, not a single one is due to power 16 generation. 17 would have been solved by this proposed plant. 18 So we can talk about reliability and we should 19 be talking about reliability, but that's not 20 the conversation that's on the table right now. Ninety-eight percent Not a single one of those outages We're also hearing that the plant 21 22 will bring jobs. 23 permanent jobs for an investment of 200 24 something million dollars, extra six dollars 25 per household per month, but our own Energy (504) 833-3330 We're being promised 13 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 42 1 Smart Program has created a hundred fifty jobs. 2 It yields an annual economic benefit of a 3 hundred sixty-nine million, and we didn't need 4 to build any new infrastructure to make that 5 happen and we never will. So if our energy needs are projected 6 7 to remain steady over the next 15 years, which 8 they are, and if we can meet those needs with 9 demand-side management and create more jobs in 10 the process, what's the hurry to build this 11 plant before we do a really deep dive into the 12 potential demand-side management? 13 added a hundred thirty-three thousand jobs in 14 energy efficiency last year. 15 than half that number for traditional energy 16 infrastructure projects. 17 future and what role is New Orleans going to 18 play in that? 19 room going to play in that? The U.S. We added less Green jobs are the What role are the people in this So until we fully explore the 20 21 potential and take an advantage of the 22 demand-side management programs, I fail to see 23 how this plant is any more necessary than, for 24 example, building more luxury condos in the 25 CBD. And I think you have a chance to leave an (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 43 1 energy paradigm shift as your legacy. 2 you take advantage of that. I hope Thank you. 3 MR. STRATTON: 4 5 Thank you. 6 Chris Barrilleaux followed by Robert 7 Heidel. MR. BARRILLEAUX: 8 My name is Chris Barrilleaux. 9 10 live at 401 28th Street in Lakeview. 11 for allowing me to speak today. I Thank you 12 I'm here in support of Entergy's 13 proposal to build a CT plant at its Michoud 14 location. 15 we live in a city of approximately 400,000 16 people, 49th largest city in the country. 17 seems prudent to me that we would want to take 18 control and responsibility for securing 19 reliable electric power for our community. 20 have a utility company, our utility company, 21 Entergy, who wants to invest in our community. 22 What a problem to have. As you know, we -- many of you know It We Investment is going to breed tax 23 24 revenue generation. 25 jobs. It's going to also bring We want investment in our community. (504) 833-3330 We Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 44 1 would like to take control and have a say-so in 2 our plant and we want to modernize our 3 infrastructure as best we can. 4 way to do it, by bringing a facility or keeping 5 a site in the public domain and in working 6 condition where it's generating taxes to 7 support our community. 8 Entergy's proposal to build this plant. I strongly support Thank you. 9 MR. STRATTON: 10 Robert Heidel followed by Brian 11 12 Burns. 13 Mr. Heidel? 14 Are you Mr. Heidel? 15 Yes, I am. MR. STRATTON: Please come up. 18 19 20 And then Brian Burns will be next. MR. HEIDEL: My name is Robert Heidel. 21 22 I don't see -- MR. HEIDEL: 16 17 And this is a I want to thank the Councilmen and women for your time. I know you've heard some sentiments 23 24 already, but it is imperative that we as a 25 community have a reliable energy source. (504) 833-3330 If I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 45 1 sneeze hard enough, my entire neighborhood goes 2 dark and with increased regularity and 3 intensity of storms, blackouts are happening 4 more and more. 5 quality-of-life issue, it's also a safety 6 issue. Not only is this a basic 7 This year has underscored the 8 importance of having our pumping systems 9 working at optimal levels and they can't do 10 that unless they have a steady supply of 11 energy, and since we're on the end of the power 12 line, there's no alternative to this new plant. 13 I know you have a major decision to make, a 14 $200 million decision, but we must be able to 15 keep the lights in the city going after the 16 inevitable storms. 17 construction. Thank you. 18 19 So I urge you to allow its MR. STRATTON: 20 Thank you. 21 Brian Burns. 22 23 be Al Bostick. MR. BURNS: Good evening. 24 25 After Mr. Burns will Brian Burns, 121 Turnberry, New Orleans East. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 46 I'm fully supportive of the 1 2 construction of the power plant, economic, 3 reliable, safe power. 4 does not have any major generation source 5 within the city. 6 us some reliability. 7 It will also increase the tax base for the City 8 of New Orleans. 9 the power plant will generate. New Orleans currently This power plant will bring It will also create jobs. There's a lot of benefits that We talk about diversifying the 10 11 portfolio. Entergy New Orleans is in the 12 process of doing that, but you also need to 13 have power that's available 24/7. 14 some type of event, whether it's cloud cover -- 15 the reliability of solar, it's not always 16 there. 17 some of the cleanest fuel sources in the 18 country, you have power plus you have clean 19 resources to generate that electricity. If there's If you have a gas-fired plant, which is I support it. 20 I have a number of 21 family members that live in New Orleans East. 22 We have not been fearful of any problems like 23 issues associated with a problem at the power 24 plant. 25 hundred percent. So I am in favor of it. (504) 833-3330 I support it a I think we should move Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 47 1 forward. It's economic development. 2 creates jobs for folks in the city. It Thank you. 3 MR. STRATTON: 4 5 Thank you. 6 Al Bostick followed by Leona Brunor. MR. BOSTICK: 7 Good evening. 8 9 Thank you for the hearing and the opportunity. My name is Al 10 Bostick. I live at 2629 Russo Street, not very 11 far from here. 12 also live not very far from here. I have two grown children who Good to see you, Councilmembers. 13 14 rise in support of the power generation 15 station. I'm an electrician by trade. 16 I I 17 belong to the IBEW, but I want to make 18 something clear, just like an earlier speaker 19 said. 20 some people have about hard working, blue 21 collar people, that we somehow don't have our 22 eye set on the future, renewable energy, 23 Et cetera. 24 truth. There is a wrong-headed impression that Nothing could be further from the I've been in the environmental 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 48 1 movement personally since the 1960s. 2 a fly on and venture and guess that 90 percent 3 of the people here, if I said Rachel Carson or 4 John Muir, would have to Google search it to 5 find out who they were in the environmental 6 movement, but yet they're here to tell you 7 they're all environmentalists. Mark Twain once said, "There are 8 9 I'll take lies, damn lies, and then statistics." You've 10 been told that all the power outages have been 11 caused by transmission lines. 12 why that's bogus. 13 capacity in the City of New Orleans. 14 All of that power comes from somewhere else or, 15 guess what, the grid, transmission lines. 16 Those lines are subject to difficulty and 17 outages just like the internal ones within our 18 borders. 19 to be a free loader. 20 image in attracting business from the outside. Well, here is We have no power-generating None. To rely on a system from elsewhere is It is a stain on our And personally, my wife relies on 21 22 power to stay alive. 23 have a natural gas generator at the house 24 because when I built my house nine years ago, 25 it turned out that the solar power companies (504) 833-3330 She has health issues. I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 49 1 could not provide reliable power for one 2 house -- 3 MR. STRATTON: If you could wrap it up, 4 5 6 Mr. Bostick. MR. BOSTICK: Sure. 7 8 MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 9 10 MR. BOSTICK: -- for the storage capacity it would 11 12 take for battery backup. 13 thing in the future. 14 affordable and reliable energy, and we damn 15 sure have a responsibility to the environment 16 and to our fellow citizens to provide for 17 energy within our own borders to attract 18 business and keep our people working. What we need now is Thank you. 19 20 Solar will be a great MR. STRATTON: 21 Thank you. 22 Leona Brunor followed by Anthony 23 24 Barbier. SISTER BRUNOR: Good evening. 25 (504) 833-3330 I'm Sister Brunor. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 50 MR. STRATTON: 1 Excuse me. 2 3 Let's start over. I want to mention something. I've got a stack that's quite a bit 4 5 taller than the stack that we've already been 6 through and we're coming close to the halfway 7 point and so I'm sure that the Councilmembers 8 appreciate knowing where folks are coming from, 9 but the celebrations are cutting into speaking 10 time. Anthony Barbier will be up next. 11 SISTER BRUNOR: 12 Sister Leona Brunor. 13 I'm Sister of 14 the Holy Family, presently the assistant 15 congregational leader. We reside in New Orleans East and we 16 17 certainly know that we need reliable Entergy 18 and we trust -- energy, rather, and we trust 19 Entergy. 20 there is a problem, and there have been many 21 problems with reliable energy for a while, 22 especially after Katrina, when we have to call 23 in the wee hours in the morning, Entergy comes 24 out. They have been with us. And whenever They find the problem and they fix it. Entergy also supports our mission 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 51 1 and what we do to help the poor. When we have 2 activities, they help to sponsor us so that we 3 can provide, as we do on a daily basis, food 4 for the indigent. Those persons who live under the 5 6 overpass, at first we were having lots of men. 7 Now we have men and women. 8 children and pregnant women who depend on us to 9 supply food. We also have So when we have projects, Entergy 10 has helped to sponsor us so that we can 11 continue to provide this service. We trust Entergy. 12 They tell us that 13 in the future, they will look more and more for 14 reusable energy. 15 we call upon them, they are there. I believe them because when We need power, a reliable source of 16 17 power now. 18 now known as the wild, wild east. 19 come after dark, many times -- 20 Wrap it up. SISTER BRUNOR: -- many times you will find no 23 24 25 When you MR. STRATTON: 21 22 Unfortunately, New Orleans East is lights. MR. STRATTON: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 52 1 Thank you. 2 After Anthony Barbier will be Teresa 3 Scott. MR. BARBIER: 4 5 Thank you, Councilmembers. 6 I'm Anthony Barbier, and I'm 7 representing New Orleans and the Ninth Ward. Councilmembers, you have a weighty 8 9 decision to green light a $200 million plus 10 power plant, but we need electricity to stay on 11 after a hurricane and a larger plant makes 12 sense because it will be more reliable for just 13 a bit of a higher cost commitment. 14 bills will go up a few dollars a month, sure, 15 but it's preferable to the utter disruption of 16 our lives for days at a time when we have to go 17 entirely without power from the storms that 18 hit. Our utility Sometimes more than once a year. We need this plant to keep the 19 20 lights on, and if a few extra bucks a month 21 means we can do that, then I'm for it. 22 people of New Orleans are sick and tired of the 23 lies and the broken promises. 24 part. 25 part. The We're doing our It's time for you to step up and do your (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 53 I'm Anthony Barbier and I'm for the 1 2 3 power station. MR. STRATTON: 4 Thank you. 5 Teresa Scott to be followed by 6 Robert Burnside. 7 MS. SCOTT: Hi. 8 9 I'm Teresa Scott, concerned citizen of New Orleans. I'm in support of the new natural 10 11 gas turbines at the power plants. As you are 12 all aware, our power plant -- of our power 13 problems, I don't need to tell you that. 14 newer technology will be more cost effective, 15 and cleaner energy, lower emissions, and use 16 less groundwater. The We should not live in fear of 17 18 flooding or have to boil our water. We need 19 this to ensure that our city has what it needs 20 to be protected from flooding. 21 will bring forth and provide much needed power 22 that would encourage the growth of the city. This project New Orleans needs a reliable power 23 24 source, generating source to meet our 25 community's needs. (504) 833-3330 The failing of our current Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 54 1 system did not happen overnight. It has been 2 failing for many years without proper repair 3 and maintenance. 4 to go forward. We need this new power plant I'm in support. Thank you. 5 MR. STRATTON: 6 7 Thank you. 8 Robert Burnside followed by Pastor 9 Pierre. MR. BURNSIDE: 10 11 Thank you for this opportunity. 12 The question is, "Why not? 13 this power plant?" 14 in New Orleans East. 15 1960. 16 environmental problems. Why not We have the infrastructure It's been there since We haven't had any problems with any "Why not?" 17 We have Entergy that is 18 a friend of the community, given over several 19 million dollars to nonprofit organizations, so 20 they've shown themselves friendly to the 21 community. "Why not?" 22 23 jobs for those who are in this city. So the question is -- for the 24 25 It would create more Council to answer is, "Why not?" (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 55 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 Thank you. 3 Pastor Pierre. 4 5 To be followed by Iby Hampton, Jr. PASTOR PIERRE: Good evening. 6 My name is John 7 Pierre. I'm pastor at Living Witness Church of 8 God and Christ there in Central City, but I 9 live in New Orleans East. I am happy to join my voice with 10 11 this heretofore silent majority and the people 12 who have been making the most noise about this 13 are in the minority and providing those vague 14 reports that they have here. 15 The science have been done on this project and 16 you go on the Internet and on the Entergy 17 website and you can see it. 18 Entergy, the power plant there in New Orleans 19 East, has not caused, at least me and my 20 neighbors, any problems at all. 21 there for nearly 50 years, and I just want to 22 see another plant put up now. But we have -- We know that It's been Entergy already said that they're 23 24 not against solar, but now is not the time. 25 That now is the time for our people to have to (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 56 1 experience the benefit of this new plant that's 2 going to be -- help them with these brownouts 3 and these blackouts all in this -- in this 4 community, in this area that this power plant 5 will serve. 6 see the Councilmembers that are here to hear 7 the silent -- what heretofore has been the 8 silent majority have come to speak out for this 9 plant there in New Orleans East. 10 I urge you to support it. Thank you so much. 11 12 And I urge you -- I'm so happy to MR. STRATTON: 13 Thank you. 14 Iby Hampton, Jr., followed by 15 16 Sheldon Cutrer. MR. HAMPTON: Good evening. 17 My name is Iby 18 Hampton, Jr., and I'm a lifelong resident of 19 New Orleans. 20 And since Katrina, even with effort 21 to revitalize, the streets have been decaying, 22 crime is persistent, and there's a lack of 23 retail vitality in our neighborhoods. 24 city, especially the east end, is stagnating, 25 and I see the power center as a way to anchor (504) 833-3330 Our Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 57 1 the retaliation [sic] we need if we are to move 2 forward. New Orleans East Hospital, 3 4 Wal-Marts, Big Lots, these are steps in the 5 right direction, but to have a strong generator 6 of electric power right here immune to 7 blackouts and to cascading outages would give 8 businesses and employees an anchor to invest 9 capital and to hire some folks who could 10 command a far more than wages that retails 11 here. 12 would help us all and lead to necessary 13 economic progress. Bringing higher paying jobs to the area Getting this power center here will 14 15 open the door to neighborhood development and 16 an anchor in the industry area for the city's 17 eastern edge. 18 neighbor that will have it's own stake in the 19 community being safe and successful for our 20 small businesses, for our residents, and that's 21 what we need. Thank you very much. 22 23 We'll have a strong corporate MR. STRATTON: 24 Thank you. 25 Next up is Sheldon Cutrer followed (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 58 1 2 by Alexander Miller. MR. CUTRER: Let me apologize to the City Council 3 4 in advance because I will be criticizing you 5 and the government. 6 for letting me criticize you. That being said, thank you I don't want to be here. 7 My stomach 8 is doing back flips and my heart feels like 9 it's going to burst out of my chest. I'm mad. 10 In case the people here don't know, the 11 turbines powering the water pumps necessary to 12 keep the flooding out of the New Orleans have 13 over the course of the past two years failed 14 one by one causing flooding and power outages. 15 So to be clear, the turbines failing is not a 16 new development and there was plenty of time to 17 fix it. I have my guesses as to why City 18 19 Council, Mayor Landrieu, and the Louisiana 20 Sewerage and Water Board didn't have them 21 repaired sooner and I'm guessing it's because 22 they're all really bad at their jobs. 23 really know for sure, but what I do know is 24 that there was an issue. 25 And now the issue is more of an issue than it (504) 833-3330 I don't It wasn't addressed. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 59 1 ever needed to be. I'm also skeptical of their claims 2 3 that they have it under control when the entire 4 point trying to be made here is that it should 5 have been under control a long time ago. 6 also have to say the parties involved are lucky 7 Entergy decided to bail them out because, as 8 we've seen, they had no solutions to fixing it 9 before that. I This isn't exactly the first time 10 11 we've seen this situation mishandled by our 12 elected representatives either. 13 Landrieu made cuts to the budgets of the police 14 department, emergency medical services, and the 15 fire department and froze all new police hires. 16 He did this knowing full well that one of his 17 campaign promises was to help eliminate crime. 18 That clearly didn't work. In 2013, Mayor 19 Let me finish off by saying that the 20 person who's more concerned with the removal of 21 historical monuments than they are with 22 spending the taxpayer money on better things 23 like fixing the drainage, the city's drainage 24 system, does not seem like the type that has 25 their priorities straight. (504) 833-3330 No. It just makes Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 60 1 you seem like you're far more interested in 2 patting yourself on the back for how 3 progressive and tolerant you are rather than 4 keeping the city you were in charge of from 5 flooding. Time and time again, I have seen 6 7 questionable decisions by the people in charge 8 to the extent that I cannot help but feel 9 frustrated. Over these past few years, I've 10 really seen New Orleans change and I don't 11 think it's for the better. 12 like I have to remind everyone in here that 13 renewable energy isn't the end all be all that 14 you think it is. MR. STRATTON: 15 If you could wrap it up, please, 16 17 18 And, too, I feel sir. MR. CUTRER: 19 Yes, sir. 20 It's expensive and it doesn't work 21 22 as well as you think it does. MR. STRATTON: 23 Thank you. 24 Alexandra Miller. 25 Followed by Cherelle Blazer. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 61 MS. MILLER: 1 Hello, Councilmembers. 2 I'm 3 Alexandra Miller. Thank you so much for giving 4 us the opportunity to speak with you today. 5 I'm a resident of New Orleans. 6 Laurel Street in the Irish Channel, and I'm 7 here in opposition to the power plant proposal 8 that Entergy has put forward. I live at 2919 I'm really here to talk about the 9 10 present and the future of New Orleans. We've 11 heard that there are outages on a regular basis 12 that everyone suffers from, 2,600 in the last 13 year. 14 Entergy's own data that 98 percent of those 15 recent outages have been caused by the 16 distribution system, which will not be fixed by 17 new power generation. That's really unacceptable and we know The future of New Orleans is in 18 19 smart grid technology like Florida's residents 20 installed after Hurricane Irma that reroutes 21 power around problems and, again, creates good 22 jobs for the folks that install it. 23 of New Orleans is in batteries that are in 24 people's houses making sure that folks have the 25 power that they need to keep going when the (504) 833-3330 The future Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 62 1 power lines do get knocked down in a storm. 2 The future is in energy efficiency, which as we 3 have heard, it creates more permanent jobs than 4 the 13 that will created by this 200 -- more 5 than $200 million investment. I want to say that I have relatives 6 7 in good union jobs in Michigan. All right? I 8 have cousins who have worked in the auto 9 industry for years, and there is a reason that 10 General Motors has just said it's going to go 11 all electric in the future, in the 2020s, and 12 that's because that is the future of this 13 world. 14 that is the only way that this city is going to 15 have a bright future is if we adapt to the 16 issues that we are facing right now, like 17 sea-level rise and climate change, and we chose 18 to adopt clean energy, which we can be a 19 leading light of in this world if we take the 20 opportunity that we have. 21 that opportunity. That is the future of this city. 24 But we have to take So thank you very much, 22 23 And Councilmembers. I really appreciate your time. MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 63 We received a concern that the signs 1 2 are blocking the view of folks back behind and 3 so we just ask for some consideration on that. Cherelle Blazer. 4 5 To be followed by Christopher McKay. MS. BLAZER: 6 All right. 7 8 evening. 9 today. Thank you. Good Thank you for taking public comment My name is Cherelle Blazer, and I'm 10 11 speaking to you today as a mother of two 12 asthmatic children, a resident of New Orleans, 13 environmental scientist with a master's degree 14 from Yale. I urge you not to build a 15 16 gas-powered plant in New Orleans East. 17 only will this gas plant increase rates for all 18 New Orleans ratepayers; it's unnecessary. 19 let me be clear. 20 the power outages. 21 fill Entergy's pockets as they stand to make 22 over $20 million on the backs of minority 23 communities, but that energy is going on to a 24 regional grid and will not be used exclusively 25 to power New Orleans homes and businesses. (504) 833-3330 Not So This gas plant will not fix Oh, it may be necessary to Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 64 I understand why it might be 1 2 tempting to locate another gas plant at the 3 site of an old one, but ask yourself, "Should 4 that dirty polluting industry have ever been in 5 the middle of that community in the first 6 place?" Let's take this opportunity to move 7 8 forward and right a historic environmental 9 justice wrong instead of returning to backward 10 polluting industry. 11 methane gas is not clean. 12 not a replacement for sustainable, economic 13 development in New Orleans East. 14 Entergy the opportunity to actually be a good 15 corporate partner to the city and provide good 16 renewable energy options like solar which can 17 absolutely power the city. 20 Heavy industry is Orleans East. Thank you. MR. STRATTON: 21 Thank you. 22 Christopher McKay. 23 24 Let's give No dirty, polluting gas for New 18 19 Burning and flaring Followed by Kevin Fitzwilliam. MR. McKAY: Oh, yes. 25 (504) 833-3330 I'm Christopher McKay. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 65 1 And, you know, I'm not one that usually gets 2 involved in government. But this meeting, I'm glad that I 3 4 heard about this meeting and I've listened 5 intently to what both sides have said, but I 6 can tell you for myself, I'm no expert, but 7 what I do know is that this summer has not been 8 fun, a lot of anxiety. 9 People worried about Nate was real. The anxiety is real. Nate 10 didn't turn out to be anything, but it's been 11 12 years since the age of all the storms that 12 hit in Katrina's time period, and that's a lot 13 of time that a lot of things could have been 14 done during that time period to put together a 15 system that won't collapse electricity 16 infrastructure that is smart. You know, as far as other plans go, 17 18 I've heard a lot of discussion today from very, 19 very smart people, unions, professors, and so 20 on and so forth. 21 on both side that are extremely intelligent 22 people, but the alternative is just simply not 23 where it needs to be to be self-sufficient for 24 this cause for right now. 25 I'm definitely in favor of this plant. (504) 833-3330 And you could find professors And so that is why It Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 66 1 makes a lot of sense. A couple of people mentioned 13 2 3 permanent jobs. That seems to be a talking 4 point, I guess. Thirteen permanent jobs, does 5 that mean that all the construction jobs really 6 aren't that important because they're not going 7 to last long enough? 8 shortsighted. That seems just kind of Also, I had a short-term job myself 9 10 right after Irma. 11 as -- Somebody mentioned Irma MR. STRATTON: 12 If you could wrap it up. 13 MR. McKAY: 14 15 Absolutely, yeah. 16 Somebody mentioned Irma as how we 17 should be. 18 attest to, that just came to the Tampa area 19 alone over a period of about nine days right 20 after Irma, just in that area, and restoring 21 power. 22 country and from Quebec and places like that. 23 Thank God they came from all over the MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 24 25 Well, there was 3,000 trucks, I can MR. McKAY: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 67 We need power now. 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 Kevin Fitzwilliam. 3 4 Followed by Dr. Calvin Mackie. MR. FITZWILLIAM: 5 Good evening. 6 I speak in opposition 7 to the power plant. I want to touch on a few 8 points of view that I've heard spoken about 9 tonight. One, a gentleman said that he 10 11 believes that this power plant will improve the 12 economy and support jobs. 13 some perspective on this because, you know, I 14 come today in support of renewable energy just 15 from the business community. I'd like to provide The company I work for, Joule Energy 16 17 in Mid-City, is putting enormous amounts of 18 solar on to the electric grid. 19 our electric grid. 20 of solar energy and solars and technicians hop 21 in the companies' loading vans and bring 22 equipment to other states, to bring them to 23 Georgia or Florida or states that are further 24 away. Only it's not I watch every week as teams Alabama and Mississippi are ahead of 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 68 1 us. I'm from here. I don't like that. They 2 drive long hours to work in states with the 3 policies that actually encourage renewable 4 energy be placed on to the grid. And so my message to you is that 5 6 there are companies here who can fulfill the 7 needs of reliability that we're speaking about 8 tonight, that I'm hearing over and over that 9 message of reliability. We have national 10 experience in utility scale solar, commercial 11 solar, distributed generation solar. I also heard a comment, "We just 12 13 can't get a -- Can't we just get a reliable, 14 modern power plant?" 15 of a more modern power plant than incorporating 16 renewable energy on to the grid. 17 fossil fuels is not my idea of a modern, 21st 18 Century power plant. I can't think personally Sticking with Also, last comment, I guess, we 19 20 don't have enough room for solar. 21 have enough room for wind power. 22 enough room. 23 was a Google report that came out that said 24 90 percent of the rooftops in this city are 25 available for solar energy. (504) 833-3330 We don't We don't have Don't have enough room. There All those can be Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 69 1 incorporated on to the grid, too. 2 just about small scale individual houses. 3 Think rooftops across the board, commercial, 4 industrial that can all be incorporated on to 5 the grid. Thank you, guys. 6 7 MR. STRATTON: 8 Thank you. 9 Dr. Calvin Mackie. 10 11 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Could not hear you. MR. STRATTON: I'm sorry? 14 15 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Could not hear you. 16 17 MR. STRATTON: Dr. Calvin Mackie. 18 19 20 Followed by Tangee Wall. 12 13 This is not Followed by Tangee Wall. DR. MACKIE: Good afternoon, Council. 21 My name is 22 Dr. Calvin Mackie, and I run an organization by 23 the name of STEM NOLA. In the last four years, we've 24 25 engaged over 11,000 kids in hands-on project (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 70 1 based science, technology, engineering, and 2 mathematics projects. 3 supporters has been Entergy, and what I'd like 4 to talk about is what Entergy didn't do. One of our big Entergy didn't tell us that we 5 6 couldn't teach kinds about renewables. They 7 didn't tell us that we couldn't teach kids 8 about energy efficiency. 9 Saturdays that we've taught hundreds of kids We've had STEM 10 about wind power. The kids build their own 11 windmills. 12 taught hundreds of kids solar energy where the 13 kids learned about solar energy and built their 14 own solar energy cars or solar energy houses. 15 We know that alternative energy is We've had Saturdays where we've 16 good. We know that energy efficiency is good, 17 and we know that reduced energy consumption is 18 good. 19 understand the present, but more importantly 20 understand the future. 21 investing to make sure that our kids understand 22 the future, but it's also very important that 23 we understand where we are now. 24 won't give us what we need today. And it's very important that our kids And Entergy is All of that And we are in support of the 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 71 1 building of the generation plant out in New 2 Orleans East creating the jobs and creating the 3 reliable grid and energy production that we 4 need at peak times. 5 conversation that we should be having. This is 6 a conversation about all of the above. New 7 Orleans is at the end of the transmission line. 8 And when I go fishing down in Cocodrie and when 9 I look out, all I see is water. Energy is not 10 coming from the Gulf of Mexico. We deserve to 11 have reliable peak energy in the Parish of -- 12 in Orleans Parish. Thank you. 13 14 This is not a and/or MR. STRATTON: 15 Thank you. 16 Next is Tangee Wall. 17 18 Followed by Frain Bayas, B-A-Y-A-S. MS. WALL: Good afternoon. 19 Thank you so much 20 for this opportunity to speak before your 21 committee. My name is Tangee Wall. 22 I'm a 23 resident of East New Orleans and a member of 24 the Friends of Joe Brown Park. 25 support of the new Entergy power station along (504) 833-3330 I stand in Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 72 1 with other East New Orleans residence who 2 joined us today and members of the Friends of 3 Joe Brown Park. We need this power station now. 4 5 It's a necessity. 6 terms of the disasters that we have endured 7 over the past 12 years and more. I have before you also residents who 8 9 Entergy was always there in were recently impacted with the tornado that 10 hit us in East New Orleans during the early 11 part of this year. 12 important first responders that there could be, 13 shutting off gases that were needed to be done 14 so for sustainable life in that community. Entergy was one of the most Entergy -- I think no one should 15 16 question the care and the commitment that they 17 have demonstrated throughout this city. 18 power plant just does not impact the residents 19 of East New Orleans. 20 of New Orleans and I don't think that anyone 21 here intelligently can argue against their care 22 and commitment to not just our community, but 23 the entire communities of the City of New 24 Orleans. This This is the entire City Reliable energy, sustainable energy, 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 73 1 that is what we need. 2 East is now. We are in sore need of economic 3 development. This plant would certainly spur 4 that growth and beyond. 5 Orleans East. 6 New Orleans to stand together and know that 7 this is a necessity. 8 question of its sustainability and reliability 9 in our community. The time is now for the City of It should not even be a MR. STRATTON: 12 Thank you. 13 Frain Bayas. 14 The time is now, New Thank you so much. 10 11 The time in New Orleans Followed by William Bickham. And I might mention that the stack 15 16 of cards continues to grow and the time 17 continues to dwindle. 18 who may be at the bottom of the stack for the 19 possibility that they may not get to speak, but 20 I'm not trying to discourage anybody from 21 filling out cards. 22 I want to prepare folks MS. BAYAS: I'll be real brief. 23 24 Frain Bayas. 25 East since 1983. (504) 833-3330 My name is I have resided in New Orleans I am opposed to the gas Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 74 1 plant. New Orleans East is still rebuilding 2 3 and since we are, why not build smart? Energy 4 Smart? 5 July of this year to put in effect the climate 6 action for a resilient New Orleans. Our mayor signed an executive order in China has embraced the floating 7 8 solar form and so has the United Kingdom and 9 Japan. Why not let New Orleans be the first 10 city in the United States to embrace this 11 concept. 12 energy, whether it be solar, wind, hydro, or 13 geothermal. 14 accommodate it. 15 how it's done. I implore Entergy to invest in clean We have the means and space to They can visit China to see 16 May I finish -- I'd like to finish 17 by quoting Councilmember Gray, who represents 18 New Orleans East. 19 release by the city on July 7, 2017. 20 reducing our reliance on carbon-intensive fuels 21 and moving toward solar and by increasing the 22 resilience of our energy and water 23 infrastructures, the City of New Orleans 24 becomes a model for municipalities around the 25 city. This comes from a press By (As read.) (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 75 I say let New Orleans lead the way 1 2 in clean and green. Thank you. 3 MR. STRATTON: 4 5 Thank you. 6 William Bickham. 7 Followed by Dean Boyer. MR. BICKHAM: 8 My name is William Bickham. 9 10 reside in New Orleans East. 11 millwright with the Regional Millwrights 12 Carpenters Local 729. I I'm a journeyman And I want to start with without 13 14 natural gas and electricity, where would we be? 15 Without steel and concrete, where would we be? Now, you can come by my house. 16 I 17 have solar lights all up around my house, on 18 the roof, on the fence, on the front lawns, and 19 that's good until those batteries run down and 20 I have to take those rechargeable batteries 21 out, put them in a recharger and bring them 22 inside and plug them into the electricity 23 outlet. 24 plant. All right? So we need the power Another thing, let me take us back a 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 76 1 good ways when there were fireplaces where you 2 have to chop wood, throw it in the fireplace to 3 keep warm. 4 And then there's natural gas that 5 came along where we said, "Man, my goodness! 6 I'm glad there's natural gas where we can have 7 these natural gas burning heaters to where we 8 warmed our house." 9 My parents had them when I was growing up. My grandparents had them. No 10 one died from natural gas-burn heaters. We 11 have natural gas-burning stoves right now that 12 cook on them and then we have electric stoves, 13 but the natural gas never burned anybody. 14 Entergy is proposing a natural gas plant. Now, all this solar stuff is nice 15 16 and the grid and this, that, and the other, but 17 you have to go out and get a company big 18 enough, as big as Entergy or larger, to build 19 solar grids and put all that stuff on the house 20 and as far as putting solar panels on the 21 house, everybody don't want solar panels, you 22 know. So my thing is, is that Entergy is 23 24 there for us, you know. 25 horse in the mouth and tell him to turn and run (504) 833-3330 You don't look a gift Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 77 1 away. So Entergy has been a vital part of the 2 community. 3 now and they're going to hit the solar switch. 4 There's not going to be a solar switch. So thank you. 5 6 7 We can say cut off the lights right moving forward. Thank you. MR. STRATTON: 8 Thank you. 9 Dean Boyer. 10 11 And, Entergy, keep Followed by Gary L. Hawkins. MR. BOYER: Good evening, Councilmembers. 12 13 name is Dean Boyer. 14 and I'm opposed to this power plant. My I live in Central City, For two years, I worked at the 15 16 Tulane Institute on water resources law and 17 policy. 18 state, and federal officials on coastal 19 protection and restoration, flood control, 20 resilience, and other issues that directly 21 threaten the future of our city. 22 time, it was a source of pride that despite our 23 city's struggle with these issues, we are 24 really looked at not just regionally, but 25 nationally, and globally as a leader, as a city I was fortunate to work with city, (504) 833-3330 And in that Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 78 1 that is taking forward thinking steps to 2 actually lift itself up and deal with these 3 issues for the future. Now, if we build this power plant, 4 5 we know that carbon emissions are going to keep 6 contributing to sea level rise, which threatens 7 our future. 8 the Michoud facility is sinking many times 9 faster than the rest of the city and we know 10 that we have viable, affordable alternatives 11 that will not sacrifice reliability. 12 build this power plant, not only will we be 13 directly contributing to this problem, but we 14 will also be sending a message that we are not 15 ready to lead. 16 light and an example to the rest of the 17 country, and that cannot happen. 18 Thank you. 19 We know that the ground beneath That we are not ready to be a MR. STRATTON: 20 Thank you. 21 Gary L. Hawkins. 22 23 Followed by Dr. Margaret Montgomery Richards. MR. HAWKINS: My name is Gary L. Hawkins. 24 25 So if we I reside in Algiers, and I am deeply humbled and (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 79 1 privileged to come before you, Council, and 2 voice my strong urging of your support of this 3 state-of-the-art power generating facility in 4 New Orleans. This generating facility will 5 6 provide us with power that is needed when we 7 need it most and that's during peak demand time 8 and severe weather events. 9 assist the power grid in stability, And it will also 10 reliability, and dependability during such peak 11 usage periods and extreme storm events. 12 facility will also reduce the risk of rolling 13 electrical outages and blackouts in this city. 14 It's also important to note that local power 15 generation capability makes us less dependent 16 on the market so that our electrical demands 17 may be met at a more reasonable cost. This I believe our infrastructure is only 18 19 as good as allows us to bounce back from our 20 next -- I say our next catastrophe. 21 resilient are we as a region is a question I 22 wrestle with on a daily basis. 23 to readily restore power to New Orleans after a 24 storm or a tropical event is vital -- and I say 25 vital to the recovery and restoration of the (504) 833-3330 How The capability Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 80 1 greater New Orleans region. This power 2 facility will have fast start ability, that is, 3 the ability to reach full power in only 4 minutes. 5 self-start capability, which enables the unit 6 to be started when there is no power on the 7 electrical grid. 8 viable infrastructure that has minimal 9 vulnerabilities and is crucial to the economic Moreover, one proposal includes And, again, my friends, a 10 development and stability of the New Orleans 11 area. Thanks. 12 13 MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 14 15 MR. HAWKINS: And I support -- Okay. 16 17 MR. STRATTON: 18 Thank you. 19 Next is Dr. Margaret Montgomery 20 Richards. 21 the next one. 22 O-K-P-A-L-O-S-I. 23 The spelling of the last name is DR. RICHARDS: Good evening. 24 25 And I'm going to need some help on I'm Dr. Margaret Montgomery Richards, and I stand in support of (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 81 1 the Entergy New Orleans power station. As a New Orleans business owner, my 2 3 company, DMM & Associates, we recognize the 4 economic significance and importance of a city 5 with reliable base source of power. 6 New Orleans operates under the safety first as 7 a core principal. 8 promoting the utilization of minority and 9 women-owned businesses and the proposed project Entergy The agency has a history of 10 will generate hundreds of urgently needed jobs 11 during the construction phase and opportunities 12 for small disadvantaged businesses such as 13 ours. 14 nearly 30 million in new earnings for 15 residents. It is expected to promote -- produce As a vendor for Entergy New Orleans, 16 17 we have the opportunity to understand the need 18 to move forward with the building of the power 19 station. 20 young African-American males at a rate of $15 21 an hour as independent contracts to work on 22 Entergy projects that we currently have. Further, we have hired many local, The proposed power station along 23 24 with the incorporation of a solar form 25 preserves Entergy's ability to keep the lights (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 82 1 on in the entire city by ensuring a stable and 2 reliable grid. 3 as a mechanism to foster the much needed 4 economic growth of development and continue 5 providing opportunities for New Orleanians to 6 earn a living wage. 7 you to support the proposed construction of the 8 New Orleans East power station. The proposed project will serve Therefore, we encourage Thank you. 9 MR. STRATTON: 10 11 Thank you. 12 Next up is Uche Opkalosi and I hope 13 I'm not butchering it. 14 Diaz. 15 And after that, Ramiro MR. OPKALOSI: Good evening. 16 I'm here for selfish 17 reasons as a business owner to say what it's 18 like to have customers at your door and there's 19 no power. 20 experts, say they know how to fix the problem, 21 I'm in very much support of their problem being 22 fixed in whichever way they can. 23 reliability -- the reliability of the energy 24 that we need and if they say they can fix it, I 25 believe them. (504) 833-3330 If Entergy, who I personally see as It's the So me, as a business owner which Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 83 1 supports many other business owners that 2 weren't able to be here and make it that suffer 3 the same problem, I'm in support of Entergy. 4 MR. STRATTON: Ramior Diaz. 5 6 7 Sidney. MR. DIAZ: Good evening. 8 9 Followed by Reagan Roman Diaz. in the Lower Garden District. I live I thank you all 10 for hosting this and thank you to the community 11 in coming. 12 people fired up about this. It's inspiring to see so many I have no doubt that Entergy has 13 14 been a great community member and steward. 15 fact, the nonprofit I work with has benefited 16 from their generosity, but if we're to sustain 17 as a community in the long run in this fragile 18 landscape, we need to be smarter about how we 19 manage our landscape, manage our 20 infrastructure. 21 and other sorts of dirty polluting power 22 generation in its landscape is not a good 23 example for the world as somebody else has 24 pointed out. 25 resilient power grid to maintain power. (504) 833-3330 In Continuing to do carbon gas We need a smarter, more robust, We may Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 84 1 need more power generation. I'm not going to 2 dispute that, but we do need a smarter grid and 3 not feel like we can be spending our month on 4 that instead of on a new power plant. I'm also very concerned about the 5 6 groundwater extraction that has caused a great 7 subsidence in New Orleans East. 8 scientist, Roy Dokka, who passed away a few 9 years ago was studying that and it's weakening A great 10 our levee system, as well as causing the 11 lowering of the landscape, which makes us more 12 at risk for flooding. So, finally, I feel like we need to 13 14 wait for the integrated resource study or 15 resource plan that you-all have initiated to be 16 completed before you make a final decision on 17 this because there may be other ways to 18 generate power in this community and leverage 19 things we already have and to make our city 20 more robust in the future with hurricanes and 21 subsidence and other environmental risks. Thank you. 22 23 MR. STRATTON: 24 Thank you. 25 Reagan Sidney. (504) 833-3330 Followed by Michael Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 85 1 Kraft. MS. SIDNEY: 2 Good evening. 3 My name is Reagan 4 Sidney, and I am the chief operating officer of 5 Garden Doctors Landscaping Company. 6 a small disadvantaged business enterprise as 7 well as a minority supplier and we have been in 8 business for over 11 years. 9 year, we became a partner with Entergy as we 10 And we are And in the last are provider of their landscaping services. Since then, our business has grown 11 12 exponentially. As a member of their team now, 13 we believe that they can do the things that 14 they say they're going to do because they've 15 done it for us. 16 going to continue to add jobs as they build 17 more businesses and specifically in New Orleans 18 East, which, as we all know, New Orleans East 19 needs as many jobs as they possibly can get. We also believe that they are More than anything, I'm also a 20 21 resident of New Orleans East and I believe that 22 we need jobs, construction jobs. 23 sustainable energy and this is where we can do 24 it. 25 supports the building of this plant. We also need Garden Doctors and Reagan Sidney fully (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 86 Thank you, and have a great day. 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 3 Thank you. 4 Michael Kraft. 5 6 Followed by Frank Morse. MR. KRAFT: Hello. 7 I'm Michael Kraft. I'm here 8 on behalf of the Home Builders Association of 9 New Orleans. We are a trade organization 10 dedicated to the housing industry with a 11 thousand members and we are in support of the 12 proposed power plant. 13 great investment in a very aged infrastructure 14 in the city. 15 We feel that it is a That's it. MR. STRATTON: 16 Thank you. 17 Are you Mr. Morse? 18 MR. MORSE: Thank you. 19 My name is Frank Morse, 20 and I'm the vice president of the Home Builders 21 Association. 22 MR. STRATTON: Mr. Morse, let me just ask that 23 24 Kelissa Garret be ready to speak in a moment. 25 Sorry to interrupt you. (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 87 MR. MORSE: 1 2 That's okay. 3 I'm the vice president of the Home 4 Builders Association of Greater New Orleans, 5 have been a home builder in the New Orleans 6 area for over 42 years. 7 our organization to speak in favor of the 8 plant. I am here representing Based upon my personal knowledge of 9 10 the cost involved to install solar and other 11 green power sources on the homes I and my 12 fellow builders construct, I know that at this 13 time, natural gas is the cleanest, most 14 cost-effective method available. 15 is important to remember sustainability of our 16 power grid with a backup generation system, 17 which as we all know is critical to our future 18 should one of the other plants be damaged by 19 natural disaster that would mimic Katrina. 20 Additionally having the ability to provide the 21 necessary increased capacity for the economic 22 rejuvenation of the Ninth Ward, which has been 23 the desire of all living and concerned about 24 New Orleans' many diverse residents. And it also Lastly, I would be remiss if I 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 88 1 didn't mention, again, the tremendous 2 partnership this city has enjoyed with Entergy 3 as well as the many individuals and groups that 4 have benefited from their generosity and 5 involvement. 6 Entergy to move its base from New Orleans to 7 Jackson after Katrina, but they stayed the 8 course and helped this city to rise back to the 9 level we now enjoy. It would have been so easy for Our members would 10 appreciate a vote in favor of the plant from 11 the Utilities Committee. Thank you. 12 13 MR. STRATTON: 14 Thank you. 15 Kelissa Garrett. 16 17 Followed by Harry Lowenburg. MS. GARRETT: Good evening, Councilmember. 18 My 19 name is Kelissa Garrett, and I'm the executive 20 director of the New Orleans Regional Black 21 Chamber of Commerce. 22 Plaza Drive in New Orleans East. 23 on behalf of my board and membership in support 24 of the Entergy plant. We're located at 6600 I'm speaking Recently the board members of New 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 89 1 Orleans Regional Black Chamber of Commerce were 2 presented with an overview regarding the 3 planned redevelopment of the New Orleans East 4 power station as a gas turbine unit on the 5 existing location of the Michoud plant. 6 board met with Mr. Charles Rice and 7 Ms. Demetric Mercadel to gain a better 8 understanding of the impact that this project 9 will have in both the residential and business Our 10 community. In this meeting, we were assured 11 that Entergy would reach out to the residential 12 community as well to discuss the details and 13 share with our organization and provide 14 procurement information so that the minority 15 business community can participate with this 16 project as it progresses. To date, the representatives of 17 18 Entergy's supply and diversity department have 19 held meetings with our membership to discuss 20 the upcoming project timeline and potential 21 opportunities to participate. 22 held public meetings where they have continued 23 to provide ongoing information regarding the 24 impact of this project to our community. They have also Because of the continued commitment 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 90 1 to inclusion and public awareness, we have 2 written this letter in support of this project 3 as it has been presented. 4 continued relationship with Entergy's 5 representatives and continued lines of open 6 communication and reviewing the inclusion of 7 both the community members and business 8 community throughout the region. 9 Thank you. 10 MR. STRATTON: 11 Thank you. 12 Harry Lowenburg. 13 MR. EUSTIS: 15 Hello. 17 22 This card is for Harry Lowenburg. MR. EUSTIS: Yeah, for the Gulf Restoration Network. MR. STRATTON: Is Mr. Lowenburg ceding his time? 23 24 I MR. STRATTON: 20 21 My name is Scott Eustis. live on Simon Bolivar. 18 19 Followed by Dawn Hebert. 14 16 We look forward to a MR. EUSTIS: He left, I'm afraid. 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 91 MR. STRATTON: 1 Did you fill out a card? 2 MR. EUSTIS: 3 I did, yeah. 4 MR. STRATTON: 5 All right. 6 Thank you. MR. EUSTIS: 7 8 Yeah, thanks. 9 Hello. My name is Scott Eustis. 10 I'm a coastal wetland specialist for the Gulf 11 Restoration Network, Simon Bolivar Avenue, 12 70113. We're speaking in opposition to the 13 14 gas plant mainly because it's inconsistent with 15 the city's urbane water plan, the climate 16 action plan, and the state master plan to 17 maintain our levees and wetlands to protect us 18 from flooding as well as our flood insurance 19 certification. 20 Entergy has refused to acknowledge its role in 21 sinking the levee in front of it right there 22 off of Paris Road in New Orleans East. And mostly for the fact that Many researchers have heard about 23 24 Roy Dokka who cited the Entergy Michoud plant 25 and its groundwater extraction as a cause of -- (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 92 1 Entergy is sinking the levee in that area 2 because of the groundwater that it takes out of 3 the ground along with the industries adjacent. 4 We have a subsidence problem in the city, but 5 it's not the same in New Orleans East. 6 Gentilly, uptown, we have about three 7 millimeters a year. 8 it's 30. 9 Oh, well. In Around the Entergy plant, There was enough of a problem that -There was a levee breach in that 10 location during Katrina and the power station 11 was flooded out making it unreliable. Given the most recent science from 12 13 Roy Dokka and NASA, which just published a 14 paper last year, the proper procedure would be 15 for Entergy to acknowledge the problem and 16 measure it through soil borings, other 17 geological investigations, engineering models 18 are perfectly capable of doing it, but, 19 instead, we've only had refusal and dismissal 20 of the problem and it's not a good partner. 21 can't afford -- literally, we cannot afford a 22 company that will sink our levee. 23 MR. STRATTON: Sir, your time has run. 24 25 We MR. EUSTIS: (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 93 Okay. 1 2 Thank you. need a better neighbor. We Thank you. MR. STRATTON: 3 4 Thank you. 5 Dawn Hebert. 6 We oppose. To be followed by Reverend Cornelius Tilta. MS. HEBERT: 7 8 My name is Dawn Hebert. 9 I'm very happy that someone did 10 mention the climate action plan for a resilient 11 New Orleans that was -- that came about in July 12 by the mayor. 13 says, "Greenhouse gas pollution, also referred 14 to as carbon emissions, is a primary cause of 15 global warming and climate change." 16 New Orleans will have reduced our annual 17 greenhouse gas pollution by 50 percent from 18 what it is to date. 19 Entergy isn't following the climate action 20 plan. Actually in it, the book, it In 2030, So I'm wondering why Also, I'd like to address some 21 22 points that have been brought up at today's 23 meeting. The plant was deactivated last 24 25 spring and we have been going along. (504) 833-3330 I don't Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 94 1 believe that it has really affected us that 2 greatly. 3 summer when a pipe blew up and an employee was 4 injured. But, also, there was an accident last Also, the plant would not only be 5 6 used by the citizens of New Orleans. 7 they're saying that it will be turned on during 8 peak times, but they're in this MISO grouping. 9 So if another community or state needed the 10 energy, it would be turned on. 11 only for us. Granted So it's not Also, as far as the economic 12 13 development goes, where was the development 14 before 2015? 15 businesses and company to our community in New 16 Orleans East, where are they? 17 come? 18 with that particular aspect of it. If they were bringing so many Why haven't they So I don't see where the plant will help Also in New Orleans East, we have 19 20 the most homes with solar panels. So this is 21 reducing the need to draw energy from Entergy 22 New Orleans. 23 Jobs, in the beginning, we were told 24 that the plant would have ten to 15 jobs for to 25 actually operate the plant. (504) 833-3330 Last time I heard Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 95 1 Mr. Rice speak about it, that number had jumped 2 up to, I believe, 90 some employees. 3 MR. STRATTON: 4 Ma'am -- 5 MS. HEBERT: I don't know if that was -- 6 7 MR. STRATTON: I'm sorry. 8 9 MS. HEBERT: My time is up? 10 11 MR. STRATTON: Yeah. 12 13 14 Thank you very much. Appreciate -MS. HEBERT: Okay. 15 16 Your time has run. MR. STRATTON: 17 -- your comments. 18 Reverend Cornelius Tilta. 19 20 Followed by Craig Hood. REVEREND TILTA: And good afternoon to you. 21 I'm 22 Reverend Cornelius Tilta and I've been a 23 resident of New Orleans my entire life. 24 in the Irish Channel currently. 25 the Irish Channel Christian Fellowship for over (504) 833-3330 I live I'm pastor of Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 96 1 29 years and president of Christian Bible 2 College of Louisiana almost 18 years. I'm a former chairman of the city's 3 4 Ethics Review Board, and I come here in 5 standing in support -- Hello, Council person -- 6 standing in support of the -- of Entergy's 7 building of this plant. 8 larger or the smaller plant, there is never a 9 time when we ought not have resources if the Whether it be the 10 need arose. 11 looking carefully at what has been said, we've 12 heard all of the statistics, and as one person 13 said, all of the -- the other two things as 14 well that it's going to be your decision for 15 what's in the best interest of our city. 16 it is my prayer that you will make the right 17 decision and support the building of this 18 project. God bless you. 19 20 And it's come to my attention in Thank you. 22 Craig Hood. 24 Have a good day. MR. STRATTON: 21 23 And To be followed by Jodie L. Manale. MR. HOOD: Thank you very much. 25 (504) 833-3330 My name is Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 97 1 Craig Hook. I'm from Broadmoor Marlyville. 2 I'm also a professor at Loyola University. And there's absolutely no doubt that 3 4 Entergy is a big partner for many here in New 5 Orleans. 6 New Orleans. 7 state. 8 20 or Atlanta with nearly 40 Fortune 500 9 companies. It's the only Fortune 500 company in One of only two in the entire So this is not Nashville where we have And from my own university, as well 10 as many others and many charities, and folks 11 have spoken very well to that today, you know, 12 have benefited from the partnership of Entergy 13 because it's the big company that is here. 14 There is no doubt about that. I think the real question is -- it's 15 16 before the Council because the Council weighs 17 in on a public good, a public utility. 18 it's, if you will, a public service to our city 19 just as it is in most other places, including 20 (inaudible) as well. And Really, it comes down to this, you 21 22 know, the need and the cost. 23 the $200 million that's going to be part of 24 rate increases for sure, and the need is 25 whether we really need this power generation (504) 833-3330 The cost piece is Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 98 1 now compared to smart grids and the development 2 of other renewable energy as well. There's absolutely no doubt that 3 4 transmission lines are a major problem here. 5 We need to hear the compelling case that it's 6 generation that matters. Thank you. 7 8 MR. STRATTON: Thank you. 9 Jodie Manale. 10 11 Followed by Stephen Medina. 12 MS. MANALE: 13 Hello. I'm Jodie Manale. I'm a 14 native of New Orleans. I work in New Orleans. 15 I play in New Orleans. And I'm in the energy 16 efficiency and green building industry. Thank you, Councilwoman Guidry, for 17 18 being here the entire time and hanging with us. 19 I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I think what -- of what I've heard 20 21 so far, that this is not an either/or 22 proposition. 23 that Entergy wants to give us or -- Well, let 24 me say it differently. 25 have living wage jobs or no living wage jobs. (504) 833-3330 It's not we get the power plant It's not that we can Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 99 1 It's an issue of whether we want the power 2 plant that Entergy wants to give us or if we 3 want the one that really will address the 4 problems and the needs that we have and take us 5 into the future the way we need to go for 6 ourselves, our children, our grandchildren. I'm here to ask you to vote against 7 8 a new natural gas power plant in New Orleans 9 East until all the facts and options are in. 10 Entergy's proposed new plant will cost 11 approximately $2 [sic] million. 12 of money to be put on the ratepayers, 13 especially before your study of outages and 14 energy saving technologies are finished. 15 those studies are completed and you've had time 16 to analyze the results, you can decide on your 17 timetable, not Entergy's, on the most 18 cost-effective package of investments that will 19 benefit all New Orleanians for many years into 20 the future. That's a lot When And I've heard a lot about what a 21 22 great partner Entergy is, and, yes, that's 23 laudable, the work they do with different 24 agencies around the city. 25 am concerned about inaccuracies and misleading (504) 833-3330 But I do want -- I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 100 1 information that Entergy New Orleans has been 2 putting out to the public and possibly to you 3 to influence you to vote yes on this project. 4 Specifically, I'm referring to a public forum 5 that Entergy put on a couple of weeks ago at 6 the -MR. STRATTON: 7 Ma'am, I'm sorry. 8 9 Your time has run. MS. MANALE: 10 11 Oh, my goodness! 12 I'm opposed. Please vote no. MR. STRATTON: 13 Stephen Medina. 14 15 Antoinette Brown. 16 MR. MEDINA: Followed by Bonjour, everybody. 17 I'm Stephen 18 Medina, born and raised here in the town 19 that -- born and raised in the town that I 20 happen to love. 21 speak. Thanks for this opportunity to I'm sorry. 22 I'm Stephen Medina, born and raised 23 here in our town of New Orleans, and I love it 24 here. 25 like this. And thanks for the civil discourse. (504) 833-3330 I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 101 So I'm enjoying all the views from 1 2 everybody here, but here are mine. I notice 3 there's only two options here and you could say 4 there's really just one option since Option 2 5 is just a smaller but not much cheaper version 6 of Option 1. If I'm going to give somebody over 7 8 $200 million to spend on an energy choice, I 9 would consider them irresponsible and a bit 10 insane for only looking at two options, 11 especially when these options are almost 12 identical, not to mention the fact that out of 13 all the options we have available to us, this 14 gas peaking power plant that runs on gas 15 refracking is the second most expensive option 16 that we have available. 17 options which are cheaper, less toxic, and 18 result in way more jobs. There are other Just keep in mind, this is Louisiana 19 20 and we're losing a football field size of our 21 wetlands every 45 minutes. 22 our coastline that disappears every year with 23 the help of the rising waters of climate 24 change, the pipeline canals of the gas and oil 25 companies, and subsidence. (504) 833-3330 That's 25 miles of And this Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 102 1 fracking -- this gas -- natural gas plant will 2 be sucking up about a million gallons of water 3 every day from New Orleans East. So I do recommend voting no on this 4 5 Entergy power plant that uses gas refracking. 6 There are so many better options with renewable 7 energy that are cleaner, more cost effective, 8 and will provide more jobs. 9 to move to cleaner energy which gets cheaper, This is our chance 10 better, and more reliable every day. 11 our chance to do the right thing for us, for 12 our children, and for our beloved State of 13 Louisiana. Thanks for listening, and thanks for 14 15 expressing your views. 16 both sides. 17 That's for people from Thanks a lot. MR. STRATTON: 18 Thank you. 19 Antoinette Brown. 20 21 This is Followed by William Murphy. MS. BROWN: Good evening. 22 Thank you, 23 Councilwoman Guidry, for staying with us. And 24 thank you, CURO, for this opportunity to speak. I'd first like to digress from my 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 103 1 notes a little bit to encourage everyone who 2 has not read for themselves and studied for 3 themselves the facts about this case, not to 4 stand or sit here today and think that 5 everything you hear is fact. 6 yourselves about the emissions and subsidence 7 issues that were the first argument against it. 8 And now, we shifted to something else. 9 a study that shows the subsidence did not Please read for There's 10 travel down the road, turn right on Chef 11 Menteur, travel all the way to Michoud, turn 12 left, and pick on a particular subdivision. 13 please study it and learn the facts for 14 yourselves. So I've been a resident of New Orleans 15 16 East for more than 30 years. 17 adult children, two of them now live there. 18 One married a great man from north Louisiana 19 and relocated there. 20 live in New Orleans East as well. 21 resident of that area when I've seen it at its 22 best, and it pains me to see what it has become 23 now that is not even better than it was before. Otherwise I'm sure she'd I've been a We have great subdivisions there 24 25 I've raised three like Spring Lake, Lake Bullard, Lake Willow, (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 104 1 Lake Kennilworth. I could go on and on and on. 2 We have the heart. 3 the people necessary to make a change in the 4 East. We have the land. We have So I encourage those who live in the 5 6 East to ask yourselves the question, "When we 7 were fighting to come back from Katrina, who 8 was there to help us?" 9 are here now fighting with you? Are they the people who I have personally contacted 10 11 retailers and said, "Please come back to the 12 East," and when they said, "I'm not coming," I 13 asked why and they said different things. 14 gave me different answers, but the alluding 15 answer was, "Because we have to fight against 16 everybody for everything." They So for those of you who live in the 17 18 East like I do who really love that area and 19 wouldn't want to live anywhere else -- and I've 20 lived uptown. 21 love the East -- when we stop -- when will we 22 stop fighting against economic development? 23 When will we stop fighting against great 24 community partners like Entergy who have gone 25 above and beyond to make good decisions for (504) 833-3330 That's not even the question. I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 105 1 this community? MR. STRATTON: 2 Thank you, Ms. Brown. 3 4 run. Thank you. MS. BROWN: 5 It's time to stop fighting. 6 MR. STRATTON: 7 William Murphy. 8 9 Your time has Followed by Darryl G. Brown. 10 And, again, just weighing the number 11 of cards that I have against the time remaining 12 of ten minutes, I'm pretty confident that not 13 everybody will have the opportunity to speak. 14 We really appreciate your coming and your 15 interest in speaking. 16 what we've seen so far, you've put time into it 17 and we really appreciate it. 18 be made part of the packet that will be 19 provided as part of the transcript. If your preparation is Your cards will Thank you. MR. BROWN: 20 Thank you. 21 My name is Darryl G. 22 Brown. I'm a resident of New Orleans East, and 23 I am in favor of Entergy's proposed power 24 plant. Now, Councilman, thank you very 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 106 1 much, Councilman Guidry, but it has been 18 2 months of delays and 20 community meetings that 3 Entergy has done to inform the company -- to 4 inform the city and the residents of New 5 Orleans, especially New Orleans East, about 6 this plant. Now, it only takes two years to 7 8 build this plant. We've already delayed this 9 whole issue 18 months as well with -- mostly 10 with nonsense, but as a resident of New Orleans 11 East, I don't -- I don't need anyone else to 12 speak for me who doesn't live in my area. 13 don't need Logan Burke. 14 Affordable Alliance of Energy, whatever you 15 call yourselves. 16 trying to speak for us. 17 lady spoke earlier about we don't need a 18 power -- a generating thing in this 19 neighborhood, well, guess what? 20 neighborhood used to be all whites and they had 21 no problem for 50 years. 22 make an issue out of race and no one -- even 23 back then, they did not even know where the 24 plant was. I I don't need the I don't need any outsiders And when the young That Now you trying to And so, no, it's not destroying 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 107 1 communities. It's not destroying 2 neighborhoods. 3 for Entergy to have our own power generating 4 plant in New Orleans East. It will be a great investment So I ask for your support. 5 We've 6 had enough of the games, and the pony and dog 7 shows and everything else. 8 that. 9 make a firm decision. We've had enough of Now it's time for our City Council to You've had all the 10 facts. The facts have been printed. 11 brought all the experts in. 12 the scientists in, the environmental scientists 13 as well. 14 vote and your support. We've brought all We don't need anything else but your Thank you very much. 15 16 We MR. STRATTON: 17 Thank you. 18 Is William Murphy -- William Murphy, 19 are you here? 20 be Hannah Chaleu. 21 MR. MURPHY: Hi. 22 23 Murphy. And then will Thanks for hearing me. William I'm from St. Roch. Okay. 24 25 William Murphy. You put carbon into the air. That increases the temperature of the air. (504) 833-3330 The Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 108 1 air has more moisture. More moisture gives us 2 ten inches of rain in an afternoon on 3 August 5th. 4 Entergy does not pay for the cars that were 5 lost when I'm wading through a waist deep water 6 over by the Lowe's. 7 fixing people's houses, replacing their cars. 8 That's an externality. 9 burning carbon. That's called an externality. Entergy is not there We've got to stop Entergy is not going to increase our 10 11 pumping capacity for us. We're going to have 12 to pay for increased pumping capacity because 13 of more moisture in the air from the more 14 carbon in the air. 15 We have to -- The City Council has 16 to decide they're going to support solar with 17 battery. 18 California is doing it. 19 It's just a matter of whether we adopt the 20 public policy, decide we're going to have this 21 much solar power done. 22 power -- no more carbon power plants until we 23 reach our goals for sustainable energy. 24 want to attract Amazon or any new tech company, 25 you better have sustainable energy. (504) 833-3330 I mean Germany has done it. We can do it here. We shouldn't have any If you This is a Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 109 1 shortsighted, you know, quick, you know, let's 2 make the profit now, and 20 years down the 3 road, New Orleans will be left behind. I mean, we've got to change what 4 5 we're doing now and we don't have time to wait. 6 We're just going to have more and more 7 flooding. 8 to sell us more electricity and make more money 9 off of pumping more water out of the city. 10 mean, you know, they're just standing at a 11 profit. And, you know, Entergy will be glad I 12 A couple of days ago, they came out 13 in the paper, "Oh, we're looking for houses to 14 put solar panels on top of." 15 them 18 months and now, finally, they're 16 talking about, "Oh, we're looking for houses in 17 New Orleans to put solar panels on." 18 no -- 19 Thank you. 24 Mr. Murphy, your -- MR. MURPHY: -- no gas power plant and see how 22 23 Tell them MR. STRATTON: 20 21 You've delayed many houses they find to put solar panels on. MR. STRATTON: Thank you, Mr. Murphy. 25 (504) 833-3330 Your time is Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 110 1 up. Thank you. Hannah Chaleu. 2 3 4 Followed by Myron Green. MS. CHALEU: Hi. 5 My name is Hannah Chaleu. I 6 came today to urge you to reject Entergy's plan 7 for a new power plant. No one deserves to live next door to 8 9 a polluting gas plant with all of the health 10 risks living in such close proximity entails. 11 Additionally, industrial activity is causing 12 the land to sink at twice the rate of the rest 13 of the city. 14 the subsidence, further putting the East at 15 risk for flooding. The new plant would exacerbate This new plant will not only pollute 16 17 the air in the East and lower air quality in 18 our city, but will emit greenhouse gases that 19 contribute to climate change, which 20 collectively increases our exposure to extreme 21 weather activity. 22 not strangers to the effects of a warming 23 climate and need to move to clean renewable 24 energy as soon as possible for the future of 25 our city as well as our planet. (504) 833-3330 As New Orleanians, we are Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 111 1 I urge the City Council to 2 meaningfully investigate clean energy 3 alternatives to Entergy's proposed power plant, 4 push for more research on the connection 5 between subsidence and industrial activity as 6 well as demand a full environmental impact 7 report on this plant. Thank you for your time. 8 9 MR. STRATTON: 10 Thank you. 11 Myron Green. 12 Followed by Josh Fox. MR. GREEN: Good evening. 13 Myron Green. I'm a 14 homeowner in New Orleans East. I've been in 15 New Orleans East my entire life. 16 high school, Marion Abramson Senior High School 17 in New Orleans East. 18 voter, but I vote. 19 Orleans East my entire life. 20 Southern University Baton Rouge where I earned 21 by BS in environmental science. I graduated I am a voter, a young I've been a resident of New I graduated from 22 I'm an environmentalist. 23 that, I say I fully support Entergy's plan for 24 a new power plant. 25 with the NRCS in coastal restoration. (504) 833-3330 And with I have worked in Grand Isle Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 112 One thing we have to do in this city 1 2 is we have to stop back pedaling when it comes 3 to infrastructure. 4 in "what if" moments, just like we had the 5 flood with the Sewerage and Water Board a few 6 months ago. 7 endeavors for the future. 8 historic city, as we all know, but that does 9 not mean we should have a prehistoric 10 We also have to stop living We need to be proactive in our New Orleans is a infrastructure. You are all familiar with what's 11 12 going on with the water board. That's not an 13 anomaly. 14 been fixed two decades ago with that failed 15 system as well as the catch basins that we're 16 cleaning. 17 call the city about it every day. 18 going to get done, but what can I do? That happened -- That should have I have one in front of my house. I It ain't We need to -- Let's not act 19 20 like there isn't a line in the sand as being 21 proactive and reactive. 22 of this Council to decide what side of that 23 line it wants to be on. 24 It is my belief that we are towing the line 25 with the future of this city, and I applaud (504) 833-3330 It's up to the members It's a very thin line. Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 113 1 Entergy for having that foresight to address 2 these issues now rather than later. I heard someone mention (inaudible) 3 4 use smart grid technology, but they also use 5 natural gas technology. 6 Mississippi from -- one gentleman says that 7 they're in the forefront. 8 They use the same thing. 9 we don't even have. Alabama and They're ahead of us. They use things that The City Council does not 10 need another blemish the next time a storm 11 hits. And I'm going to leave with this. 12 13 The tallest building will crumble down if it's 14 not rooted on a solid ground. 15 for a major city is the foundation and the 16 building that it stands on are the citizens. 17 MR. STRATTON: 18 Thank you. 19 Josh Fox. 20 23 Thank you very much. My name is Josh Fox. MR. STRATTON: Mr. Fox, after you is David Stets, I 24 25 And then our -- MR. FOX: 21 22 Infrastructure believe. (504) 833-3330 And then I believe that will probably Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 114 1 be our last speaker. 2 MR. FOX: Thank you very much. 3 My name is 4 Josh Fox, 1014 Dumaine. I am the director of 5 the Oscar nominated, Emmy winning investigative 6 series name Gasland. 7 years of my life investigating frack gas and 8 natural gas. 9 Democratic Platform Committee writing the I've spent the last ten I'm also a member of the 10 Democratic platform for Hillary Clinton and 11 Bernie Sanders. 12 of Our Revolution. And I am the creative director 13 Building a frack gas power plant is 14 absolutely insane in the city that is the most 15 vulnerable to climate change in the United 16 States. 17 fuel infrastructure. 18 fracked gas is the number one source of 19 climate -- global warming emissions because it 20 burns a great deal of carbon dioxide and also 21 adds to the atmosphere a great deal of methane. We simply cannot build more fossil The studies show that Can anyone in this room tell me 22 23 where the gas is coming from? 24 where it's coming from? 25 fracking throughout the United States or it's (504) 833-3330 Anybody know It's coming from Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 115 1 coming from the Gulf of Mexico. 2 40 percent of all the gas wells in the Gulf of 3 Mexico are leaking and frack gas that is being 4 drilled and fracked around the United States is 5 the number one -- the most potent greenhouse 6 gas that can be emitted of any of our fossil 7 fuel choices. This City Council and this 8 9 Currently government has not done due diligence to say, 10 "We must incentivize other forms of energy." 11 And as a platform committee member of the 12 Democrats, it is in our platform. 13 must incentivize wind, solar, and other 14 renewable energy over the development of new 15 natural gas power plants." It says, "We This is not something that's just 16 17 happening here in New Orleans. This is 18 happening across the United States. 19 300 frack gas power plants being proposed for 20 this United States. 21 threat to this city. There are That is the number one We all talk about Katrina, but the 22 23 next Katrina happened. 24 It was called Maria. 25 because it didn't happen here doesn't mean it (504) 833-3330 It was called Harvey. It was called Irma. Just Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 116 1 didn't happen. MR. STRATTON: 2 Thank you, Mr. Fox. 3 MR. FOX: 4 The people in support of this plant 5 6 support fracking your friends and neighbor -MR. STRATTON: 7 Thank you, Mr. Fox. 8 MR. FOX: 9 -- destroying their groundwater and 10 11 bring on the next storm. MR. STRATTON: 12 Thank you, Mr. Fox. 13 14 15 up. MR. FOX: Don't put that on your conscience. 16 17 MR. STRATTON: Mr. Fox, there's still someone 18 19 behind you. David Stets. 20 21 Your time is MR. STETS: Yes. 22 I'm David Stets, and I live in 23 Gentilly. 24 for four years and I am speaking against the 25 power plant. (504) 833-3330 I've been a resident of Louisiana It's a matter of economics. I Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 117 1 don't want to pay for it and I don't want my 2 grandchildren to pay for it or my children for 3 the next 50 years when we don't need it and 4 there's other alternatives. If you'd check, Mississippi just 5 6 needed additional power. 7 best interest to run a transmission line 8 completely across Louisiana to Texas to bring 9 in wind power. 10 They put it in their They didn't build a power plant. I ran a business in Prince William 11 12 County in Virginia. Our utility company was a 13 co-op. 14 worst outage I had in ten years was 55 minutes 15 when the substation, one of the transformers 16 blew up. 17 less than ten minutes in ten years. 18 2,000. We did not own a power plant. The I had three other outages of about We have When I walk out of my house and I 19 20 look around, the infrastructure looks like what 21 I saw as a kid in 1950, not like what I saw 22 when I lived in Prince William County. 23 underground. 24 outages. 25 spend $200 million on the distribution system (504) 833-3330 It was We didn't have these kind of This is -- It's absurd. They need to Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 118 1 and buy the power from a reliable producer. Thank you. 2 3 MR. STRATTON: 4 Thank you, Mr. Stets. 5 And thank you all for your comments. 6 And, again, my apologies to those that didn't 7 get the opportunity to speak. Again, in accordance with the code 8 9 section noted earlier, I must recite that we 10 convened this evening to hear the public's 11 comments regarding the application of Entergy 12 New Orleans to construct a combustion turbine 13 power plant at the Michoud site of its former 14 power plant which was filed in New Orleans City 15 Council Docket UD-1602. 16 statements made or evidence adduced at this 17 at-large public hearing shall in legal terms 18 form -- 19 No part of the COUNCILWOMAN GUIDRY: Tom, can I speak for a minute? 20 I 21 just want to thank everybody for being here 22 tonight and thank you for all your involvement 23 and your energy. 24 to see such community involvement tonight. 25 Thank you so much. (504) 833-3330 It really was so impressive Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 119 1 MR. STRATTON: 2 Thank you Councilmember. 3 I need to complete this statement in 4 accordance with the city code, which is, and 5 such matters shall not form the basis of any 6 Council decision in a contested proceeding. 7 member of the public at large who spoke as such 8 and not as a part of record was compelled to 9 submit to cross-examination under an instanter 10 subpoena. Thank you. 11 12 The public hearing is concluded. (Whereupon the proceedings were 13 14 No concluded at 7:35 P.M.) * 15 * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (504) 833-3330 Curren Court Reporters, LLC FAX (504) 833-3355 www.currenland.com Public Hearing 10/16/2017 Page 120 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE This certification is valid only for a transcript accompanied by my original signature and original required seal on this page. 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