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STATEMENT BY LESLIE HINSHAW

It is Thursday May 151\ at about 5:50 pm, this is about, this is about an incident that occurred on
Wednesday May 14 at night approximately 9:30 or 10 o'clock pm. Um, during this time from
about 6:30 pm to about 10 o'clock pm on the 14th of May, I, Leslie Hinshaw was with Robert
Rabbani and Detective Brian McCartin of the LAPD, um, Guy of the Federal Public Defender's
office and um, Peter Arian of the Federal Public Defender's office. Guy left around 9 o'clock
maybe around 8:30 pm. Um, oh, we were at Far Bar in downtown Los Angeles. Um, during this
time there was very robust and animated debate between um, Rob, um, Tom, not Tom, Brian,
and Guy and Peter, um about politics, about ideals, um about their beliefs in our justice system.
Um towards the end of the night, there was a lot of alcohol being consumed because it was at a
bar, Far Bar, um and, um all the participants, not including myself, um , were a bit intoxicated.
Um, that night I had two Old Fashioneds, um, and in a four; three, four hour period. Um, during
this time towards the end, um, Guy had already left, um and Robert, Dete- (sneezing), Detective M
cCartin and Peter were debating uh, the, the LAPD, or police departments and whether,
basically whether they were dirty or not. And, um, whether they were doing their job correctly,
whether they took shortcuts and Robert and um, Brian were um, both adamant that the, that the
police officers th~y had worked with, and Brian himself, had never done anything wrong . That

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they were all hard workers, um, that they were um, that they were, that they were, that they were
all hard workers, that they believed in what they did, um, which was to clean the streets and we
were specifically talking about South Central in the late 80's, early 90's. Um, and at one point
Brian said um, in the context of talking about how when he was working in South Central, um
people, a lot of the gang members in that area, um were, they were black, um, and he was

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referring to them, you know, he was saying, he was saying that they, you know, he was, based on
his experience working in that area a·lot of the gang members were thugs, um, they were
assholes and he said something along the lines ofum, they were all little niggers. Um, to which
point both Rob and Peter were, showed shock on their face, um, as well as I. Um, Brian then
said, don't, he said something along the lines of, 'Well don't act like you don't use those words
in the privacy of your own bedroom'. Um, to which Peter responded, "No, I never would, I
would never do that um, because that is racist and wrong." Um, and Robert also added, "Yes,
that is racist" and something along the lines of, ''That's not appropriate" or "That's wrong" um,
or "That's something that should never be said." Um, and that was, and this was in the context
of a very heated debate about whether LAPD officers or, are corrupt. Um, and also this was like
I said towards the end of the night, towards the end of the evening when everyone had been
drinking. Um, and after that was said, um the party pretty much broke up. Um, I, Brian I guess, I
think left, he was, he was very heated, he was very animated, he was very flustered with what
um, Peter had suggested that, that he and his colleagues and other LAPD officers were corrupt.
They were all corrupt. And um, I think that Brian was very offended by that. And um, Brian got
up after this state, his statement using the ''N" word um, and, and the response. Um, he got up
and, and be left through the back of Far Bar, um and Robert, Peter and I left through the front
door of Far Bar.