September 29, 2018
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The Honorable Jeff Sessions
Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

The Honorable Christopher A. Wray
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20535

Dear Attorney General Sessions and Director Wray:
As you know, the Senate Judiciary Committee recently processed the nomination of Judge Brett
M. Kavanaugh to serve as an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court. As part of that process, the
Committee has been investigating various allegations made against Judge Kavanaugh. The Committee’s
investigation has involved communicating with numerous individuals claiming to have relevant
information. While many of those individuals have acted in good faith in providing the Committee
information during the investigation, unfortunately it appears some have not. As explained below, I
write today respectfully referring Mr.
for investigation of potential violations of 18
U.S.C. §§ 1001 and 1505, for materially false statements Mr.
made to the Committee as part of
its investigation of allegations against Judge Kavanaugh.
According to Senator Whitehouse and his Committee staff, on the morning of September 24,
2018, Mr.
contacted the Senator’s office to report an allegation of sexual misconduct by Judge
Kavanaugh. Mr.
claimed that in August of 1985, Judge Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a close
acquaintance of Mr.
on a boat in the harbor at Newport, Rhode Island. Committee staff took
Mr.
’s allegation seriously, and asked Judge Kavanaugh numerous questions about it under
penalty of felony during an interview on September 25, 2018. He categorically denied the allegation.
On September 26, 2018, the Committee publicly released a redacted transcript of that interview, with
Mr.
’s name redacted. Afterwards, at 7:51 pm that same evening, Mr.
“recanted” and
apologized for his allegation via social media. I have enclosed the relevant materials documenting these
facts.
Committee investigations in support of the judicial nomination process are an essential part of
the Committee’s constitutional role. The Committee is grateful to citizens who come forward with
relevant information in good faith, even if they are not one hundred percent sure about what they know.
But when individuals provide fabricated allegations to the Committee, diverting Committee resources

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during time-sensitive investigations, it materially impedes our work. Such acts are not only unfair; they
are potentially illegal. It is illegal to make materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements to
Congressional investigators. It is illegal to obstruct Committee investigations.
Accordingly, in light of the seriousness of these facts, and the threat these types of actions pose
to the Committee’s ability to perform its constitutional duties, I hope you will give this referral the utmost
consideration.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. If you have any questions, please contact a
professional staff investigator in the Committee’s Oversight and Investigations Unit at (202) 224-5225.
Sincerely,

A
Charles E. Grassley
Chairman
Committee on the Judiciary

Enclosures:
Letter from Senator Whitehouse to Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member Feinstein
Email from Senator Whitehouse’ Staff
Transcript of Kavanaugh Interview
Tweet by Mr.
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The Honorable Dianne Feinstein
Ranking Member
Committee on the Judiciary
The Honorable Sheldon Whitehouse
Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism
Committee on the Judiciary

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September 24, 2018

The Honorable Charles E. Grassley
Chairman

Committee on the Judiciary

United States Senate

224 Dirksen Senate Of?ce Building
Washington, DC 20510

The Honorable Dianne Feinstein
Ranking Member

Committee on the Judiciary

331 Hart Senate Of?ce Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member Feinstein:

This morning, a constituent contacted my of?ce to report another allegation of sexual
misconduct by Judge Brett Kavanaugh, nominee to be Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of
the United States. At the constituent?s request, I provided the constituent with the contact
information of a reporter who might investigate the allegation. I have also alerted the Federal
Bureau of Investigation.

I look forward to hearing what further action you would like to take.

Sincerely,

 
 
   

don WhItehouse
United States Senator

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Subject:  
 
All— 
 
Please find attached a letter from Senator Whitehouse to Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member 
Feinstein.  I believe he handed your bosses hard copies at the vote. Below is a summary of the substance 
of the allegations referenced in the letter: 
 
, who made 
Our office received a call this morning from a Rhode Island constituent, 
allegations regarding U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. 
 reported that early on a 
Sunday morning in August of 1985, a close acquaintance of the constituent was sexually assaulted by 
two heavily inebriated men she referred to at the time as “Brett and Mark.”  The event took place on a 
36’ maroon and white boat in the harbor at Newport, Rhode Island, after the three had met at a local 
bar. According to 
, when he learned of the assault at approximately 5:00 a.m. that same 
morning, he and another individual went to the harbor, located the boat the victim had described, and 
physically confronted the two men, leaving them with significant injuries. 
 recently realized that 
one of the men was Brett Kavanaugh when he saw Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook photo on 
television over the weekend. He promptly reported the incident to our office on Monday morning, 
September 24, 2018. 
 
If your office wishes to pursue this matter, we can provide contact information for Mr. 
.  It is not 
clear that the victim is aware that Mr. 
 has brought these allegations forward or that she wishes 
to come forward herself.  
 
Thanks, 
 
 
 
 
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse 
Subcommittee on Crime & Terrorism 
Senate Committee on the Judiciary 
 
 

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SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

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INTERVIEW:

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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2018

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The interview convened at 12:34 p.m.

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[Telephone ringing.]

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Hello?

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Hi, this is

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from the Senate

Judiciary Committee.

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Oh, hi,

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Great.

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This is

How are you?

I'll put you on

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speaker with the judge.

I'm with Alex Walsh, his counsel,

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and then the rest of us will head out of the room.

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Okay.

Thank you.

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Can you hear us?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes, it's a little quiet.

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Is this any better?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Can you hear us?

I can hear you.

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Kavanaugh.

And Alex Walsh is here.

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in kind of a wind tunnel, but -Okay.

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This is Brett

It sounds like you're

I'm not sure how to fix that.

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Why don't we try calling them back?

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We're happy to try one more time.

We'll

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just dial the number one more time and see if it's a better

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connection.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Okay.

Great.
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[Telephone ringing.]

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Hi, it's

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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Is this any better?

It sounds like it.

Let me put you

on speaker.
You there?
Yes, how is it?

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Hello?

Judge Kavanaugh.

We'll make do.

Female Speaker.

Yeah, it's fine.

All right.

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We can hear you.

Well, we apologize.

If

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there's any question you need us to repeat because you

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didn't hear it very well, please just let me know.

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Okay.

the phone with us today.
I am here with several colleagues.

I'll let them

introduce themselves, and then we will get started.
I'm

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Well, again, thank you very much for jumping on

I'm

for Chairman Grassley.

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for Chairman Grassley.
Hi, Judge.

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minority.

with the

We've spoken in the past.

Judge Kavanaugh.

Yes.
Hi, Judge.
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spoken.

Judge Kavanaugh.

Yeah, thanks,

Hi, Judge.

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I'm a

for the ranking member.

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I'm with the ranking member.

Judge Kavanaugh.

Okay.

Thank you.

Before we begin, I just want to make clear

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that the Democratic members have asked the FBI to

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investigate these allegations, and they believe that's

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necessary to a fair process and fairness more generally.

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The Democratic members do not believe that it's appropriate

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for staff to be discussing allegations with you that have

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not yet been investigated.

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Also want to make clear that we just learned about the

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possibility of this phone call today at 11:15 a.m. and

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weren't advised that it would be happening at 12:30 p.m.

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until about 11:50 a.m. today.

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primarily be listening during this call.

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So it's likely that we will

And again, I just want to reiterate that the

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Democratic members do not believe that this is a fair or

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sufficient process, and this is not how the committee

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usually handles allegations of this sort.
I would just say -- this is

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would just say that we can have these political discussions

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offline.

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of Judge Kavanaugh's testimony, and that's how we're going

Our job today is to gather evidence in the form

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to proceed.

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offline.
Judge, for your knowledge, this is being

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Okay.

So we are here because we have received in

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various forms, but not through the normal BI process,

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various allegations.

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typically go to the nominee to get their take on it.

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I'm going to run through some questions, and if anyone has

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And when we receive allegations, we

follow-up or clarifications, feel free to jump in.
Judge Kavanaugh, by now we assume that you've heard

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about the New Yorker article published on Sunday.

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reviewed the article?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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So

Have you

Yes.

The article alleges that during your

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freshman year at Yale, you attended a -- and I quote -- "a

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drunken dormitory party at which you exposed yourself,

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thrust your penis in Deborah Ramirez's face, and caused her

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to touch it without her consent as she pushed you away."

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Did that happen?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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That did not happen.

Do you know Deborah Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I do.

When did you meet her?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I knew her in college.
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Judge Kavanaugh.

Would you say that was post college?

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Many, many years ago.

Judge Kavanaugh.

I'm pretty sure we were at a wedding

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don't think I've seen her since then.
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wedding,
And I

Will you describe your

relationship with her?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I knew her.

Friendly.

Friendly,

but not friends.
Okay.

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So we're on the same page, I'm

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going to define "sexual or romantic behavior" as kissing,

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touching, or penetrating her genitals, anus, or breasts;

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touching or penetrating your -- her touching or penetrating

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your genitals or anus; seeing her genitals, anus, or

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breasts; or her seeing your genitals or anus.

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With that definition in mind, did you have any sexual
or romantic encounters with Deborah Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Are you aware of any reason Deborah

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Ramirez would lie about you?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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No.

Okay.

I don't want to speculate.
Ms. Ramirez says that she was
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invited by a friend on the women's soccer team to a dorm

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room party that occurred at Lawrence Hall.

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Did you attend any such party?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

And again, she

I lived in Lawrence Hall freshman

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year in the basement, and I have no recollection at all of

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the party she's describing.

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incident, the specific incident didn't happen.
So did you attend any such party with

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And of course, I've said the

Ms. Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I -- I don't know all the parties in

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Lawrence Hall or get-togethers in Lawrence Hall that might

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have occurred.

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specific incident alleged did not happen, and I don't

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recall the general party that she's describing in

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particular.

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What I do know is this incident, this

Okay.
Judge Kavanaugh.

But people got together, of course,

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in the dorm rooms, if that's the question.

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to imply that people weren't in the dorm rooms.

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So I don't want

And the dorms had common rooms, just so you know.

So

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there were not my -- not the room I lived in, but some of

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the other rooms in Lawrence Hall were six rooms off a

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common room in a what was called a suite.

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rooms, there would often be people just hanging out.
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Ms. Ramirez says at the party she

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identified, a small group of students decided to play a

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drinking game together at which students were sitting in a

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circle, and people would pick who drank.

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was chosen repeatedly to the point that she later was on

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the floor, foggy and slurring her words.

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Did you attend any such party?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

She says that she

I have no recollection of that.

Ms. Ramirez says that at one point during

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the drinking game at the party she identified, a male

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student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction.

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Did you attend any party at which a male student

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pointed a gag plastic penis at Ms. Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I have no recollection of that.

Ms. Ramirez says that after she was on

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the floor, foggy and slurring her words, a male student

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exposed herself -- himself to her.

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penis being in front of my face.

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wanted, even in that state of mind."

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She says, "I remember a

I knew that's not what I

According to the article, she recalled remarking,

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"That's not a real penis," and the other students laughing

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at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to

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kiss it.

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touching it in the process.

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She said that she pushed that person away,

Did you attend a party at which any of this happened,
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whoever that student was?
Judge Kavanaugh.
of the question.
Repeat it.

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I know that -- I couldn't hear all

Judge Kavanaugh.

I guess, I have no recollection of

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what you're describing generally, and of course, no -- did

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Judge, we're going to repeat the question.

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I never saw anything like that.

Judge Kavanaugh.

Okay.

Ms. Ramirez says that after Ms. Ramirez

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was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, a male

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student exposed herself -- himself to her.

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remember a penis being in front of my face.

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not what I wanted, even in that state of mind."

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She says, "I
I knew that's

According to the article, she recalled remarking,

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"That's not a real penis," and the other students laughing

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at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to

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kiss it.

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touching it in the process.

She said that she pushed that person away,

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Did you hear all of that?

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Yes.

And the question is?

Did you attend a party at which any of
this happened, whoever that student was?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Never -- I never saw anything like
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Ms. Ramirez says that after this event

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occurred, she remembers you standing to her right and

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laughing, pulling up your pants.

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were laughing, and she can still see your face and your

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hips coming forward like when you pull up your pants.

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According to her, you

She states that another student shouted about the

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event, "Somebody yelled down the hall, 'Brett Kavanaugh

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just put his penis in Debbie's face.'

It was his full

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name.

I don't think it was just 'Brett,' and I remember

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hearing and being mortified that this was out there."

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Did this ever happen?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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That did not happen.

The article reports that an anonymous

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classmate is 100 percent sure that he was told at the time

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that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to

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Ramirez and that he independently recalled many of the same

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details offered by Ramirez, including the party's location.

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The article also suggests that some of your classmates have

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discussed this alleged event.

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At any point, have you ever heard a rumor that you
exposed yourself to Ms. Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

No, and I would have, because it

would have been the talk of campus.
Okay.

The article identifies Mr. James
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pronounce his name?
Judge Kavanaugh.

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Is that his -- how do you

Roche.

Roche.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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Okay.

Jamie is what he went by then.

Okay.

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Jamie.

Generally speaking, he supports

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Ms. Ramirez's account of the story.

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meet Mr. Roche?
Judge Kavanaugh.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Judge Kavanaugh.

When did you first meet

I would have met him when we moved

in to Lawrence Hall in September of 1983 when I was 18.
And when did you last communicate with

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I'm here.

Mr. Roche?

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Great.

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Can you hold on one second?

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When did you first

him?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I saw him probably at our 25th

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reunion, which would have been 2000 and -- 2012.

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have been our 20th reunion, but I saw him briefly at one of

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those reunions.
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with him?
Judge Kavanaugh.

So there were three guys who lived,
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in essence, in a room together -- Dave White, Jamie Roche,

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and myself.

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got in fights, fist fights during the year.

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White was away for the weekend.

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back, Jamie had moved all Dave White's furniture,

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everything, like into some other area of Lawrence Hall in a

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hallway.

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Jamie and Dave White hated each other.

They

One time Dave

Jamie -- when he came

So he came back, and Dave White's room was entirely
empty.

They had a very contentious -- they had a

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contentious relationship, didn't like each other, at least

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as I recall it.

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I got -- I was friends with Dave White more than

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Jamie.

I tried to be civil.

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don't know, I think his parents lived nearby, and so he was

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elsewhere or with a girl, I don't know, a woman at Yale.

much, wasn't a great situation.
Are you aware of any reason Mr. Roche

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He didn't hang out with us very

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Jamie wasn't around a lot.

would lie about you?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I'm not going to speculate beyond --

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I'm not going to speculate beyond what I've said.

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understanding, of course, is that he does not corroborate

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the incident.

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What is your knowledge about the

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relationship between Mr. Roche and Ms. Ramirez while at

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Yale?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't think I have much knowledge

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of that, or at least not much -- I don't have much

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recollection of that.

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Do you have any recollection about their
relationship after their time at Yale?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't.

So Mr. Roche says, "Debbie and I became

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close friends shortly after we both arrived at Yale.

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stood out as being exceptionally honest and gentle.

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cannot imagine her making this up."

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Do you have any other understanding about the nature
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 their relationship, either then or now?

Judge Kavanaugh. I don't.

According to the article, Mr. Roche never
saw you engage in any sexual misconduct, but did recall you
being frequently incoherently drunk.

Were you frequently incoherently drunk in college?

Judge Kavanaugh. No. Like like most people in
college, I went to parties and had beers, but that's 
that's not an accurate description, in my View.

Do you have any understanding of why
Mr. Roche would characterize you as frequently incoherently
drunk in college?

Judge Kavanaugh. I'm not going to speculate on what's

going on right now. We're in the twilight zone.

In a recent interview 
Can I ask a question?
Of course-

Let me jump in here, Judge. Talk about
your academic performance at Yale.

Judge Kavanaugh. Yeah. So two things I was doing the
most at Yale College were studying and going to class and
working very hard on my academics, doing well enough to get
into Yale Law School, which was not obvious when I arrived
in September of 1983. I worked my ass off.

And the second thing was basketball. Throughout the

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freshman year when I lived there, I was playing basketball

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every day.

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As soon as we got there, literally the first day, the

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workouts started.

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they weren't allowed by NCAA rules to be present, but the -

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- the play, the captain-led workouts started immediately.

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Butch Graves was the captain of the Yale basketball team.

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Chris Dudley was my classmate.

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I tried out for the varsity basketball team.

Not -- not with coaches present because

So we had basketball every day.

Those were intense,

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really intense afternoons, early evenings of basketball.

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And then I played JV basketball that year, practice every

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day, lots of games, and then in the spring, basketball

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again for the same kind of captain-led workouts, which were

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every weekday, a lot of running, a lot of lifting.

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So the two primary focuses of my life were academics

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and basketball.

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So, of course, it was also social.

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Garry, who testified at the hearing for me, who I met on

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the first day of Yale College, the other college women

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friends who have written, who joined that letter, talked

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about what I was like from the beginning in college.

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And of course, we all lived on Old Campus.

So thank you for the question.

I had friends.

Louisa

Happy to answer any

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follow-up, but I was very focused on doing as well as I

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could in school, and I was very focused on trying to be the

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best basketball player I could be.
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 So, in a recent interview, you denied

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ever getting blackout drunk.

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college drinking in any way impair your ability to remember

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whether you engaged in the conduct Ms. Ramirez identifies?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

All right.

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Would anything about your

The article reports Mr. Roche

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as saying, "Is it believable that she was alone with a

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wolfy group of guys who thought it was funny to sexually

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torment a girl like Debbie?

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believable that Kavanaugh was one of them?

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Is it

Yes."

So did you ever, either alone or with other men,
sexually torment any student at Yale?
Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

And do you -- do have any understanding

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Yeah, definitely.

of why your college roommate would make such an accusation?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Well, I'm not going to speculate.

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I've described the contentious relationship in that room

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generally and his issues generally.
And his issues you testified being

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Judge Kavanaugh.

That's my understanding.

According to the New Yorker article,

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Ms. Ramirez continued to socialize with one of the male

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classmates who had egged Kavanaugh on during the party

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during college.

She even invited the classmate to her
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house for Thanksgiving one year after he told her that he

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had nowhere to go.

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later as a guest of his wife, and she said that she posed

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for photographs with Kavanaugh, smiling.

She also attended his wedding years

You mentioned that you believed you were probably at a

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wedding with her.

So have you interacted with Ms. Ramirez

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since you graduated college, including potentially that

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wedding or any other time?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Yeah, so her best friend was Karen

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Yarasavage.

Karen Yarasavage said she never heard about

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any such incident like this and that she would have heard

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about it.

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story -- or some story.

That's what she said, as I understand it, in the

would have been the person who had

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the wedding, marrying

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was also a student at Yale College at that time.

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anyway, I would have been at

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and

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never heard about any such thing as this incident.

wedding.

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and -- I was at
And like I said,

said she

Did you interact with Ms. Ramirez at the

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wedding?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I'm sure -- I'm sure I saw her

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because it wasn't a huge wedding.

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would see the people that you went to school with.

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don't have a specific recollection.
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But I

 Other than the wedding, have you had

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postgraduation interactions with Ms. Ramirez?
Judge Kavanaugh.

The incident that she alleges in the

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article, was that discussed at the wedding?
Judge Kavanaugh.

No, because it didn't happen.

With

me, or with anyone as far as I know, but not with me.
All right.

8
9

Not that I'm remembering right now.

My last question on this

subject is since you graduated from college, but before the

10

New Yorker article publication on September 23rd, have you

11

ever discussed or heard discussion about the incident

12

matching the description given by Ms. Ramirez to the New

13

Yorker?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

15

Judge, I want to get your general reaction

16

to this New Yorker story, including the allegations made in

17

this story.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

This didn't happen.

I've never done

19

anything like that.

20

Karen Yarasavage, her best friend, says she never heard

21

anything like this.

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it would have been the talk of campus.

23

The story, as described -- back up.

If something like this had happened,

The New York Times says as recently as last week, she

24

was calling around to other classmates saying she wasn't

25

sure I had done this.

And you know, I think -- I think
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we're -- this is an outrage for this kind of thin,

2

uncorroborated, 35-year-old accusation to be leveled in

3

this fashion at this time.

4

24 years, since I started with the independent counsel in

5

the fall of 1994, very public at various points in my life.

6

I've been in the public eye for

I've been through six background checks.

I worked in

7

the White House at the highest levels, senior staff,

8

traveling with the President all over the world, seeing the

9

most highly sensitive secrets of our Nation for years.

I

10

went through a difficult confirmation process for the D.C.

11

Circuit that was public with two separate confirmation

12

hearings in 2004 and 2006.

13

I've been a judge for 12 years in a very public way.

14

I've been identified repeatedly as a potential Supreme

15

Court nominee.

16

publicly identified.

17

discussed.

18

Whether that was accurate or not, I've been
My decisions have been publicly

I've been very much a presence at the Yale College

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reunions.

20

been active in the class.

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about me.

22

reunions and those events.

23

I've been on multiple panels there.

So I've

The class newsletter has talked

The people in my class have been at those

In all that time, not a word.

And then 4 days, you

24

know, when just right before a vote for the Supreme Court,

25

after the nomination itself has been pending for months,
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and I've been through the hearings and 65 Senate meetings

2

and all the written questions, and then -- and then, after

3

all these years, with all this time, and all these

4

descriptions with no corroboration and with her best friend

5

saying she never heard about it, you know, I'm -- I'm

6

really just, you know, stunned.

7
8

It's the twilight zone.

And outraged.

I guess we're going to get to

a few more of these twilight zone things, but -Well, actually, are you aware that the New

9
10

York Times passed up on this story before the New Yorker

11

ran the story?

12
13

Judge Kavanaugh.
Times.

What's your reaction to that?

14
15

That's what I read in the New York

Judge Kavanaugh.

They couldn't -- the New York Times

16

couldn't corroborate this story and found that she was

17

calling around to classmates trying to see if they

18

remembered it.

19

about that, that she was doing that.

20

just strikes me as, you know, what is going on here?

21

someone is calling around to try to refresh other people,

22

is that what's going on?

23

And I, at least -- and I, myself, heard
And you know, that
When

What's going on with that?

That doesn't sound -- that doesn't sound good to me.

24

It doesn't sound fair.

It doesn't sound proper.

25

like an orchestrated hit to take me out.
20

It sounds

That's what it

 1

sounds like.
The New Yorker story discussed how

2
3

Ms. Ramirez had a lapse of memory related to this incident

4

until she had several days of conversations with her

5

attorney.

6

Did you read that?

Judge Kavanaugh.

9

Six days of --

What's your -- what's your reaction to

7
8

I did.

that, Judge?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I mean, what is that all about?

10

What are we talking about here?

11

they're -- you know, they’re calling around to other people

12

either to refresh them, or I don't know what's going on in

13

those conversations, but it takes 6 days to kind of dredge

14

up something with a lawyer, as I understand it.

15

This is serious stuff, and

And in the context of a highly contentious Supreme

16

Court nomination where people understandably, and that is

17

understandably, feel strongly about the Supreme Court.

18

don't -- I don't want to say anything -- that's appropriate

19

in America.

20

strongly about the Supreme Court.

I

It's appropriate in America for people to feel

21

It's not appropriate for people to be dredging up

22

uncorroborated stories and trying to refresh other people's

23

recollections and then stoke the media and create a feeding

24

frenzy and destroy my family and destroy my reputation and

25

take me down.

This is not right.
21

It's an outrage.

 Judge, your wife, Ashley, and you recently

1
2

did an interview on Fox News with Martha MacCallum.

3

that correct?

4

Judge Kavanaugh.

That is correct.

Everything that you said on that

5
6

interview, do you -- do you affirm that today?

7

adopt that as your testimony today?

8

Is

Judge Kavanaugh.

Do you

Yes.

And do you understand that what you tell a

9
10

reporter is not subject to felony prosecution if you're

11

lying?

12

Do you understand that?

Judge Kavanaugh.

Yes.

Do you understand that what you tell

13
14

congressional investigators is subject to felony

15

prosecution for lying?

16

Judge Kavanaugh.

Correct?
Correct.

So are you saying that you're -- again,

17
18

with that in mind, are you adopting today that what you --

19

as your testimony what you told Martha MacCallum on Fox

20

News?

21
22

Judge Kavanaugh.

Yes.

Hey, Judge.

So we have a few more

23

questions, as we've had a few more allegations.

24

want to start walking through those with you now.

25

So I just

Michael Avenatti has conveyed to the committee and the
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press allegations about your alleged involvement in gang

2

rape parties while in high school.

3
4
5

Have you had the opportunity to review those
allegations?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Well --

6
7
8

Judge Kavanaugh.

11

Happy to -- happy to answer

questions.
So tell us what you've heard about these

9
10

I've heard about them generally.

allegations, Judge.
Judge Kavanaugh.

12

allegation?

13

the allegations.

Well, can you just give me an

I think I saw generally described in an email
So if you can ask me -So the committee investigators --

14
15

Mr. Avenatti made allegations that he had secret evidence

16

against you.

17

immediately via email and asked him for his allegations and

18

his evidence.

19

summarize, he alleged a drug- and alcohol-induced gang rape

20

that you participated in.

21

Committee investigators reached out to him

The allegations that he made are, to

Judge Kavanaugh.

That is false.

I've never

22

participated in a gang rape.

I've never participated in

23

sexual activity with more than one woman present and me.

24

think -- yeah.

25

that.

Just making sure I accurately described

In other words, I've never had a threesome or more
23

I

 1

than a threesome.
So, specifically, Mr. Avenatti said, "We are

2
3

aware of significant evidence of multiple house parties in

4

the Washington, D.C., area during the early 1980s during

5

which Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, and others would

6

participate in the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs in

7

order to allow a 'train of men' to subsequently gang rape

8

them."
Were you involved in any way in such parties?

9

Judge Kavanaugh.

10
11

thing.

Okay.
questions.

Ridiculous.

So we have some more specific

These are -- these are Mr. --

Judge Kavanaugh.

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And I've never heard of such a

It's an outrageous accusation.

12
13

No.

Good.

Mr. Avenatti's questions.

15

The first one,

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did you ever target one or more women for sex or rape at a

17

house party?
Judge Kavanaugh.

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Did you ever assist Mark Judge or others in

19
20

No.

doing so?
Judge Kavanaugh.

21

No.

Did you ever attend any house party during

22
23

which a woman was gang raped or used for sex by multiple

24

men?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

No.
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Did you ever witness a line of men outside a

2

bedroom at any house party where you understood a woman was

3

in the bedroom being raped or taken advantage of?

4

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

Did you ever participate in any sexual

5
6

conduct with a woman at a house party with whom you

7

understood to be intoxicated or under the influence of

8

drugs?

9
10

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

Did you ever communicate with Mark Judge or

11

anyone else about your participation in a "train" involving

12

an intoxicated woman?

13

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

14

Did you ever object or attempt to prevent

15

one or more men from participating in the rape or taking

16

advantage of a woman at any house party?

17
18
19

Judge Kavanaugh.

I never saw such a thing.

So the

premise, the question is off.
Mr. Avenatti has also conveyed certain

20

allegations about your yearbook and calendar.

21

says your yearbook and calendar refer to "FFFFFFFourth of

22

July," that is "Fourth of July" with a total of seven Fs.

23

For clarity, I'll just refer to that as the "FFFFFFFourth

24

of July entry."

25

First, he

Does your yearbook contain the "FFFFFFFourth of July
25

 1

entry" described by Mr. Avenatti?
Judge Kavanaugh.

2
3

out.

4

speak up?

Can you just speak a little closer to the phone and

Sure

5

Reread the question, please.

6

Right.

7
8
9

Can you -- sorry, you were breaking

Sorry.

It's kind of a long one.

Mr. Avenatti says that your yearbook and calendar
refer to "FFFFFFFourth of July," that is "Fourth of July"

10

with a total of seven Fs.

11

that as the "FFFFFFFourth of July entry."

12
13
14

For clarity, I'll just refer to

Does your yearbook contain the "FFFFFFFourth of July
entry" described by Mr. Avenatti?
Judge Kavanaugh.

So "FFF," all that refers to is a

15

friend of ours in the class, when he would say "fuck you,"

16

he would often say it with a wind-up like "fffuck you."

17

And for reasons that are not clear to me today, at age 15

18

and 16, the whole group of guys thought that was a funny,

19

inside thing, and it got shortened to the sound I just made

20

was a number of Fs rolling together.

21

And that guy would sometimes get in fights, either on

22

the football field or otherwise, where he would say "fuck

23

you" and then, you know, be in a fight.

24

reference.

25

Okay.

And that was the

But what does ""FFFFFFFourth of July"
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2
3

specifically refer to?
Judge Kavanaugh.

incident where that guy -- hold on one second.

4

[Pause.]

5

Judge Kavanaugh.

6

9
10
11

Best recollection would be that it's

a specific party where he got in a fight.
But you don't recall that party or that

7
8

That must refer to a specific

fight?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't recall the specifics, no.

I

think it's referring to Rehoboth Beach.
Okay.

Mr. Avenatti says he has reason -- he

12

has reason to believe that the "FFFFFFFourth of July entry"

13

stands for "find them, French them, feel them, finger them,

14

fuck them, and forget them."

15

Have you ever used such a reference?

16

Judge Kavanaugh.

That's wrong.

It refers to this one

17

guy and his -- and a joke that everyone had about him and

18

how he said "fuck you."

19
20
21

Have you ever heard of such a reference as
Mr. Avenatti described it being used?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I have never heard that as a

22

reference, and I know for a fact that that was not the

23

reference with respect to the yearbook.

24
25

Why did you include the "FFFFFFFourth of
July entry" in your yearbook and your calendar?
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Judge Kavanaugh.

I can't remember.

The yearbook is a

2

lot of humor, a lot of farce, a little bit of serious where

3

you list your activities.

4

lot of farce at a time when the editors of the yearbook

5

were probably following a model -- model of -- hold on one

6

second.

7

[Pause.]

8

Judge Kavanaugh.

9

But it's a lot of humor and a

Yeah, the yearbook editors, I think,

had a mindset of like "Caddyshack," "Fast Times at

10

Ridgemont High," "Animal House," or something and made the

11

yearbook into kind of a farce in that respect.

12

-- you know, that explains some of the yearbook.
Judge, I just want to get some clarity on

13
14

the first question that

15

questioning.

16

what we suspect it is.

17
18
19

And that's

asked you on this line of

I just want to make sure that your answer is

So let me repeat the question, and then I'm going to
ask you the first question again to get a clear answer.
Mr. Avenatti says he has reason to believe that the

20

"FFFFFFFourth of July entry" stands for "find them, French

21

them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, and forget them."

22
23
24
25

And here's the question.

Have you ever used such a

reference?
Judge Kavanaugh.
my understanding.

No, never.

Nor has anyone else, to

And I know for a fact that that is not
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the reference in the yearbook or the reference related to

2

the person in question talking about his use of it and how

3

that became a joke among some of the classmates.
Thank you, Judge, for the clarification on

4
5

our part, and

will continue the questioning.

6

So do you have any understanding of why

7

Mr. Avenatti would interpret the "FFFFFFFourth of July

8

entry" as he has?

9
10

Judge Kavanaugh.

13
14

Well, Judge, tell us about your general
reaction to Mr. Avenatti and his allegations.
Judge Kavanaugh.

I think it's absurd, outrageous, a

joke, a farce, the twilight zone.
Have you ever met Mr. Avenatti?

15
16

We all know about -- no, I'm

not going to speculate further.

11
12

No.

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

We have not received any evidence from

17
18

Mr. Avenatti, despite Senate investigators requesting his

19

evidence for his allegations.

20

client is, or clients, he's apparently representing in this

21

matter.

22
23
24
25

We don't even know who his

Are you aware of any client or clients of Mr. Avenatti
related to this matter?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I am not.

Are you aware of any evidence that
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Mr. Avenatti may have that he says that he's going to

2

present to us at some indeterminate time in the near

3

future?

4

Judge Kavanaugh.
Okay.

5

I am not.
So we have a few more questions about

6

some of these yearbook entries.

7

that your yearbook and calendar include the phrase "devil's

8

triangle."

9

triangle entry."

10

Mr. Avenatti also says

For clarity, I'll refer to that as the "devil's

Does your yearbook contain the devil's triangle entry

11

described by Mr. Avenatti?

12

Judge Kavanaugh.

13

[Pause.]

14

Judge Kavanaugh.

Hold on one second.

Yes.

I should just clarify, too,

15

you've referred to my calendars a couple of times.

16

no -- he's never seen my calendars.

17
18
19
20

He has

You say "he," you mean Mr. Avenatti?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Yes, Mr. Avenatti, of course, has

never seen my calendars.
And you say that -- you've referred to

21

your calendars, are you -- you mean -- are you looking at

22

your calendars today?

23

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

I'm just saying your question,

24

or at least the lead-up to the question, the last two

25

questions referred to calendar and yearbook, and I'm just
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pointing out that Mr. Avenatti has never seen my calendars.

2

So we're talking about the yearbook entry.
On the yearbook entry, yes, there is a reference to

3
4

devil's triangle.
What does the devil's triangle entry refer

5
6
7
8

to?
Judge Kavanaugh.

It refers to a drinking game where

there were three glasses in a triangle.

Beer drinking.

Mr. Avenatti says he has -- he has reason to

9
10

believe the devil's triangle entry refers to a situation

11

where two men engage in sex with one woman at the same

12

time.

13
14
15

Have you ever used the term "devil's triangle" to
refer to sexual behavior?
Judge Kavanaugh.

Have you ever heard "devil's triangle" being

16
17
18

used to refer to sexual behavior?
Judge Kavanaugh.

21

No.

Why did you include the devil's triangle

19
20

No.

entry in your yearbook?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't know.

We were 17.

Do you have any understanding of why

22
23

Mr. Avenatti would interpret the devil's triangle entry as

24

he has?

25

Judge Kavanaugh.

I think I'll refer back to my prior
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answer about my reaction to his allegations.
Thank you, Judge.

2

This is

3

again.

I'm going to jump

4

to the next set of questions unless you have anything else

5

to add on that past topic?

6

Judge Kavanaugh.

That's fine by me.

Okay.

7

Thank you.

Judge Kavanaugh, on September 22nd

8

of this year, Senator Gardner received an anonymous letter,

9

apparently sent from Denver, alleging that you engaged in

10

certain conduct in 1998.

11

Have you had an opportunity to review that letter?

12

Judge Kavanaugh.
Okay.

13

I did look at that, I believe, yeah.
I'm going to read -- read from it.

14

The letter states, "I will remain anonymous, but I feel

15

obligated to inform you of this 1998 incident involving

16

Brett Kavanaugh."

17

Report, the author's daughter from Boulder, Colorado,

18

occasionally socialized with Brett Kavanaugh.

19

group of four, including Kavanaugh, met in a Washington,

20

D.C., bar.

21

When you were the author of the Starr

She and a

"Her friend was dating him, and they left the bar

22

under the influence of alcohol.

They were all shocked when

23

Brett Kavanaugh shoved her friend up against the wall very

24

aggressively and sexually.

25

witnesses, including my daughter.

There were at least four

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Her friend, still

 1

traumatized, called my daughter yesterday, September 21,

2

2018, wondering what to do about it.

3

remain anonymous."

They decided to

4

Did the events described in the letter occur?

5

Judge Kavanaugh.

No, and we're dealing with an

6

anonymous letter about an anonymous person and an anonymous

7

friend.

8

I've never done anything like that.

It's ridiculous.

Total twilight zone.

And no,

Just a few more specific questions.

9

At

10

any point while you were involved in the Starr

11

investigation, did you ever shove a woman up against a wall

12

very aggressively or sexually as you left a bar?

13

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

At any point while you were involved in

14
15

the Starr investigation, did you ever behave violently

16

toward a woman?

17

Judge Kavanaugh.

All right.

18
19
20

No.
Just one moment, please.

[Pause.]
When you were involved in the Starr

21

investigation, do you recall ever socializing with a woman

22

from Boulder, Colorado?

23
24
25

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

While you were involved in the Starr
investigation, do you recall ever dating a woman who would
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fairly fit the description in the letter provided to

2

Senator Gardner?
The anonymous letter.

3
4

Judge Kavanaugh.

Just based on what I --

5
6

Judge Kavanaugh.

9

Describe her appearance.

No, it's -- all we have is what I read.

7
8

What's the description?

Judge Kavanaugh.

Well, then I don't know what I'm

responding to then.
Judge, I want to give you the opportunity

10
11

again to respond more generally to these series of

12

allegations that are made against you either by

13

Mr. Avenatti or anonymous sources or others.

14

to get your general reaction to this.

15

Judge Kavanaugh.

I just want

I think this is -- this is crazy

16

town.

17

for 24 years, really public at various points.

18

1998, when I was in the Starr investigation, that was a

19

very public year.

20

especially in 2003 to 2006.

21

hearings in '04 and '06.

22

whether correctly or not, a few times as a possible Supreme

23

Court nominee, very public around those times.

24
25

It's a smear campaign.

I've been in the public eye
Certainly

In the Bush White House, very public,
Two notable confirmation

As a judge for 12 years.

Named,

You know, go through this whole process, and the FBI
background, six FBI backgrounds, intense scrutiny, and then
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for something like this and the Avenatti thing are just

2

absurd and outrageous, coordinated perhaps.

3

Twilight zone.

4

outrageous.

5

down my family.

6

I don't know.

And I don't -- you know, it's just

It's trying to take me down, trying to take

It's bad -- it's doing damage to the Supreme Court.

7

It's doing damage to the country.

8

this process.

9

know?

It's doing damage to

It's become a total feeding frenzy, you

Every -- just unbelievable.
The committee has received four separate

10
11

allegations related to you and sexual misconduct.

12

a kernel of truth in any of these allegations?

13
14

Judge Kavanaugh.

17
18
19
20
21

Are we going to talk Rhode

Island?
We are.

15
16

No.

Is there

Judge Kavanaugh.

Okay.

Let's get that one out of the

way, too.
Okay, Judge.
Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't mean to cut off questions

about the other one.
Oh, no, I think we were finished.

Judge

22

Kavanaugh, a Rhode Island man named

23

recently called Senator Whitehouse's office making

24

allegations concerning a rape on a boat in August of 1985.

25

Have you had the opportunity to review those allegations?
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Judge Kavanaugh.

Yes.

So, for the record, the report from Senator

2
3

Whitehouse states, "Senator Whitehouse received a call this

4

morning from a Rhode Island constituent,

5

who made allegations regarding U.S. Supreme Court nominee

6

Brett Kavanaugh.

7

morning in August of 1985, a close acquaintance of the

8

constituent was sexually assaulted by two heavily

9

inebriated men she referred to at the time as Brett and

10
11

,

reported that early on a Sunday

Mark.
"The event took place on a 36-foot maroon and white

12

boat in the harbor at Newport, Rhode Island, after the

13

three had met at a local bar.

14

he learned of the assault at approximately 5:00 a.m. that

15

same morning, he and another individual went to the harbor,

16

located the boat the victim had described and physically

17

confronted the two men, leaving them with significant

18

injuries.

19

"

According to

, when

recently realized that one of the men was

20

Brett Kavanaugh when he saw Kavanaugh's high school

21

yearbook photo on television over the weekend.

22

reported the incident to our office on Monday morning,

23

September 24, 2018."

24

Judge, did this event happen?

25

Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

He promptly

I was not in Newport, haven't
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been on a boat in Newport.

2

nor all those three things combined.

3

completely made up, or at least not me.

4

they're referring to.

7

10

Judge Kavanaugh.

injured you and someone named Mark?
Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

Do you have any knowledge of such a boat?
Judge Kavanaugh.

No.

Do you know

13
14

No.

Were you ever in a situation where two men

11
12

I don't know what

women in Rhode Island?

8
9

This is just

Did you ever sexually assault a woman or

5
6

Not with Mark Judge on a boat,

Judge Kavanaugh.

?

No.
appears to have a Twitter

15
16

account with the handle

17

things, the information identifies the account holder as a

18

"hippie" from "

19

.

Among other

, Rhode Island."

Are you aware that on June 27th of this year, the

20

account tweeted, "A question, when will the United States

21

military decided to do what they have vowed and remove the

22

domestic threat to the Constitution that lives in the White

23

House?"

24
25

Judge Kavanaugh.

Can you repeat -- you broke out.

I just want to make sure I got it.
37

I think I got it, but

So

 1

can you repeat it?
Sure.

2

So

has a Twitter account

3

with the handle

4

information identifies the account holder as a "hippie"

5

from "

6

.

Among other things, the

, Rhode Island."

Are you aware that on June 27 of this year, this

7

account tweeted, "A question, when will the United States

8

military decided to do what they have vowed and remove the

9

domestic threat to the Constitution that lives in the White

10
11

House?"
Judge Kavanaugh.

I'm not aware of his Twitter account

12

or what might be on his Twitter account, if that's the

13

question.

14

So you are not aware that on July 8th of

15

this year, this account tweeted, "Dear Pentagon, please

16

save my country from the parasite that occupies the White

17

House.

18

Red Dawn?

19
20

Our you waiting until Russians parachute in like in
Please help!"

Judge Kavanaugh.

I'm not aware of that.

So you are also not aware that on August 18

21

of this year, this account tweeted, "I am making for the

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military to do their constitutional duty --"

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I am asking.
"I am asking" -- excuse me.

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military to do their constitutional duty and protect us
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from the domestic terrorist in the Oval Office.

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please, please."

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

I don't.

What are your general reactions to this

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I'm not aware of that.

Having heard this information, do you know

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allegation, Judge?
Judge Kavanaugh.

It's just totally made up.

Ridiculous.
Okay.

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So, Judge Kavanaugh, we've asked you

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now about a number of very recently made allegations of

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sexual misconduct, and I want to make sure that we fully

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understand your testimony.

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Again, you understand that falsely answering my

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questions -- our questions can carry criminal penalties.

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Correct?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

I understand that, yes.

Committee investigators previously asked you

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about Dr. Ford's allegations.

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unequivocally denied them.

You categorically and

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Do you stand by that testimony?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

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I do.

Today, we've ask you about some other
allegations that became public after Dr. Ford's allegations
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became public.

You have denied all of them.

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Do you stand by that testimony?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Have you ever sexually assaulted anyone?

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misconduct?
Judge Kavanaugh.

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No.

Are you looking forward to testifying at

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I have not.

Have you ever committed any kind of sexual

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I do.

Thursday's hearing?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I am looking forward to it.

And to

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reiterate what I said last Monday, now 8 days ago, I wanted

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to testify last Tuesday so that I can clear my name, defend

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my integrity, defend a lifetime of good work that I have

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done and the record I've built as a judge for 12 years,

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worked in the White House for 5 1/2, working in public

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service, working for Justice Kennedy.

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defending my name, defending my integrity.

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I look forward to

And to reiterate also, listen to all the people who

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knew me best.

The women I went to high school with who've

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spoken.

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and Maura, and I'll go on, who were my friends and are

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still my friends, and who knew me then and have known me

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since age 13 or 14.

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and Carolyn and Karen, and the people I -- the women I

You know, Julie and Suzanne and Meghan and Maura,

And the college friends like Louisa

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worked with in the Bush White House who have repeatedly

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spoken on my behalf and signed a letter on my behalf and

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talked about how I've always treated women with dignity and

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respect throughout my life.

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The law clerks that I've hired, and I've been the

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leading judge in the United States, Federal judge in the

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United States in my time on the bench in promoting women

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law clerks to Supreme Court clerkships and hired more women

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than men, and they've all spoken out in support of me and

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how I've been an advocate for women's equality throughout

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my life.

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As a coach for the last 7 years of girls basketball

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teams, and training and encouraging and inspiring girls to

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do -- to have confidence and do better at basketball and

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prepare them for life and listen to their moms and dads.

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And all this inspired by my mom, who taught me at a

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young age to break barriers and who, herself, was a

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trailblazer and overcame sexual harassment and barriers

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that were omnipresent at that time for women trying to

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break into the legal profession.

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and learned from her and was inspired by her.

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And I watched her do that

And one facet of my life that has been important to me

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in all aspects is I've always been friends with lots of

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people, and I'm blessed by my friends, and I've talked

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about that in my opening statement last time.
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the things that's been true throughout my life is how many

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women I've been friends with.

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now, talking about friends.

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Not talking about dating

From an early age, Julie Hurson DeVol on TV the other

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night talking about how I always helped her with her

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homework in high school.

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O'Neill and Kristin Blomquist Treacy and Maura Fitzgerald

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and Maura Molloy Kane and Meghan Molloy McCaleb, all

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friends from high school who were with me all the time and

Suzanne Hohman Matan and Amy

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were my friends and are still my friends.

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and on on the names and the people in college.

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And I can go on

I've been -- I've been a supporter and promoter of

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women's equality, and then the women -- women I've dated

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have talked about that as well and how I treated them.

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some of the women on those letters are people I went out

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with.

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that kind -- but they've all talked about how I treated

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them with dignity and respect throughout my life.

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Most of them, of course, are friends and never had

And you know, who would want to go through this?

Who

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is ever going to want to go through this in the future?

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What is this doing to the Court when -- and the country and

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the process when these kind of -- this kind of process

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happens where an allegation is held for this long, an

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allegation during the process that was known.

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have -- known during the process, I mean, by a Senator.
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And then I go through the hearing and the prompt

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background check and the individuals meetings, and then

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it's sprung in the way it was sprung.

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to go back to that, that's the summer of 1982.

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wasn't at such thing in the summer of 1982.

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who were there say it didn't happen.

And you know, just
Well, I

And the people

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And since we last talked, the other -- the woman who

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was there says she doesn't know me and has never seen me,

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as far as she can remember, at a party.

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a disgrace.

It's just -- it's

It is a total -- what this process has become.

I'll end with that, unless you have further questions.
Just one more.
Two more.
Two more.

Go ahead.

Excuse me.

Do you object to the

public release of the transcript of this interview?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I do not object.

And Judge, we had a transcribed interview
with you on Monday, September 17, 2018.
Judge Kavanaugh.

Correct?

Yes.

And in that interview, we discussed the

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then-allegations by Dr. Ford contained in the July 30,

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2018, letter sent to Senator Feinstein's office.

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Judge Kavanaugh.

Correct?

Correct.

Do you -- for purposes of your testimony
today, do you adopt your testimony from September 17th?
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Judge Kavanaugh.

And do you object to the public release of

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that testimony from September 17th?
Judge Kavanaugh.

I do not object to that.

So that was during -- that testimony was

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during a background investigation call with you between the

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ranking member's staff and the chairman's staff.

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understand that?

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Judge Kavanaugh.
staff, that call.

I thought it was just the chairman's

Am I wrong about that?

Excuse me.

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The chairman's staff.

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ranking member's staff was invited, but did not

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participate.

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that's --

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I stand corrected.

Judge Kavanaugh.

Right.

The

But you understand that

That --

-- part of the BI process?

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Judge Kavanaugh.

That's correct.

So I just want to make sure that this is

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crystal clear.

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that transcript of that testimony attached, because you're

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adopting it for purposes of today's testimony, to your

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testimony today, and so we can publicly release both

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transcripts.

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You do not object to having that testimony,

Is that correct?

Judge Kavanaugh.

That is correct.

Do you have anything further to add,
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Judge Kavanaugh.

Thank you.

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