BERRY, Paul From: Sent: To: Subject: CHAMBERS, Richard Wednesday, 17 October 2018 3:21 p.m. BROCKLEHURST, Sarah FW: TCIL     From: Sarah Baddeley [mailto ]   Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 2:11 p.m.  To: CHAMBERS, Richard ; ANDERSON, Timothy (Tim)    Subject: RE: TCIL    Hi Richard We are in interviews all day Monday in Auckland and then deliberations Tuesday. A call might be our best bet late Monday. For your information, Simon and I are Auckland based and Doug is Wellington based. The bulk of our interviews for the remainder of our work are in Auckland. As previously provided to Mike Clement, attached is a letter that goes to the method that has been used by other state entities. There are two areas where contact with Police and external security providers (TCIL) have previously been identified: 1) 2) Talk more Monday. Cheers Sarah Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting M+ T E MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere T +64 9 915 1360 Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz PLEASE NOTE: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential and subject to privilege. The views expressed may not necessarily be the official view of Martin, Jenkins and Associates Limited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by reply email and delete the original. Thank you 1 From: CHAMBERS, Richard [mailto:Richard.Chambers@police.govt.nz]   Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 2:06 p.m.  To: Sarah Baddeley  ; ANDERSON, Timothy (Tim)    Subject: Re: TCIL    Thank you Sarah.      For your records my cell is        Tim ‐ can you make early contact with Sarah with a view to meeting with Doug and Simon early. If it was possible to  meet with them on Monday that would be helpful.     RC  Richard Chambers   Assistant Commissioner: Investigations  Police National Headquarters   Wellington, New Zealand    On 28/09/2018, at 1:54 PM, Sarah Baddeley  > wrote:  Thanks Mike    Yes, the SSC Inquiry co-heads Simon Mount and Doug Martin are meeting on Monday to discuss scope and timing issues across the SSC Inquiry generally. So we will also address what may be appropriate and helpful/relevant to your team then and revert to AC Chambers.    Richard C – my full contact details are below.    Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting   M+ T E MartinJenkins  Read our blog: From the Exosphere      T +64 9 915 1360 Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand   martinjenkins.co.nz PLEASE NOTE: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential and subject to privilege. The views expressed may not necessarily be the official view of Martin, Jenkins and Associates Limited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by reply email and delete the original. Thank you     From: SWEENEY, Mary   On Behalf Of CLEMENT, Michael  Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 1:36 p.m.  To: chappie.tekani@ ; travis.mills@ ; richard.schmidt@   Sarah Baddeley    Cc: ARCHIBALD, Jane ; OGILVIE, Grant  ; ANDERSON, Cassandra ;  CHAMBERS, Richard ; PANNETT, Michael (Mike)  2 ; PEOPLES, William (Bill)    Subject: TCIL     Chappie, Travis, Richard and Sarah    You are each aware that the Commissioner has been exploring options to commence an inquiry consistent with that undertaken by Doug Martin on behalf of SSC into the use of security consultants by Government agencies. .    After consulting with Ministers Woods and Nash yesterday it has been agreed that Police will conduct their own investigation in close liaison with Doug Martin’s investigation.     There are three attachments, the first is a letter from me to Assistant Commissioner Chambers instructing him to initiate an investigation, the second is the ToR and the third is the media release (which includes the ToR) which will be issued shortly.     I am going to be away for two weeks from Monday, returning 15 October. Assistant Commissioner Mike Pannett will be relieving in my role for that period.    Sarah – we do not yet have a formal mechanism to engage Doug however once he returns from overseas I would invite the conversation with AC Chambers about the way forward.     Regards        Mike    Mike Clement  Deputy Commissioner National Operations    P 
   E michael.clement@police.govt.nz              WARNING  The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.      3 BERRY, Paul From: OGILVIE, Grant Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 2:31 pm. To: CLEMENT, Michael Subject: Re: TCIL 0k - going out in 5 mins Grant Ogilvie National Manager: Media Relations New Zealand Police Sent from my iPhone On 28/09/2018, at 2:27 PM, CLEMENT, Michael wrote: Thanks Travis. Grant and Jane Thanks Mike Sent from my iPhone On 28/09/2018, at 2:22 PM, Travis Mills BERRY, Paul From: Sent: To: Cc: SWEENEY, Mary on behalf of CLEMENT, Michael Friday, 28 September 2018 1:36 p.m. CHAMBERS, Richard PANNETT, Michael (Mike); ANDERSON, Cassandra; COSTER, Andrew; OGILVIE, Grant; ARCHIBALD, Jane; EVANS, Robert (Mark); MCCARDLE, Hamish; RUSBATCH, Michael; PEOPLES, William (Bill); PANNETT, Michael (Mike) TCIL Subject: Richard Attached are three documents, the first is a letter from me to you instructing you to initiate an investigation, the second is the ToR and the third is the media release (which includes the ToR) which will be issued shortly. This establishes the scope for your investigation which is to commence as soon as possible with the aim of being completed by 24 October. It will require significant commitment by investigators and SMEs to ensure that a thorough identification and assessment of the relevant material is possible. The Commissioner has indicated that this is a priority so please use this to ensure that you are able to access the right resource and skill set. You will have noted from the previous email that there is not yet a mechanism in place to engage Doug Martin in the way envisaged by the ToR. He is offshore on holiday and is returning next week as I understand it. The purpose of engaging Doug Martin is to ensure consistency and to test our thinking with regard to the type of investigation we are conducting. It seems given what I know of the investigation they are yet to complete that they will be significantly committed to their own investigation and so our engagement may be limited to checking in every now and then with regard to how we are tracking. As you know I am away now until 15 October but I am available by phone if necessary. You will also have noted that I have advised SSC, DPMC, Martin Jenkins and our own Minister’s office. Grant / Jane – I will leave the timing of the release to you. It is good to go now. Just a text to Caz to let her know when it is going. Regards Mike Mike Clement Deputy Commissioner National Operations   P+ 
 M+   E michael.clement@police.govt.nz              WARNING  The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the 1 intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.  2 BERRY, Paul From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: CHAMBERS, Richard Friday, 28 September 2018 1:31 p.m. CLEMENT, Michael EVANS, Robert (Mark); OGILVIE, Grant; ARCHIBALD, Jane; PEOPLES, William (Bill); RUSBATCH, Michael; ANDERSON, Timothy (Tim); COSTER, Andrew; ANDERSON, Cassandra; PANNETT, Michael (Mike) Re: TCIL Kia ora Mike.     I am supportive of the content of both documents and the proposed way forward.     Detective Superintendent Tim Anderson will lead this investigation on my behalf.     Richard   Richard Chambers  Assistant Commissioner: Investigations  Police National Headquarters   Wellington, New Zealand    On 28/09/2018, at 9:07 AM, CLEMENT, Michael  wrote:  Richard    Attached is what I consider to be near final draft of the ToR and accompanying letter to you with regard to the investigation we have spoken of in respect of engaging private contractors including TCIL. As you will be aware I endeavoured on behalf of the Commissioner to find a what to include Police within the scope of the SSC investigation. Yesterday I accompanied Peter Hughes and Deb Power to meet with their relieving Minister, Megan Woods, to discuss the progress of the SSC investigation to date and the intention with regard to the Police approach. She was content with this approach. I had previously had a discussion with our Minister and he is similarly content with the approach to be taken.     Unless there are significant departures in the guidance provided in the two documents attached then I will formally send this out this afternoon to initiate the investigation. Note that we are being driven by SSC timelines in a sense, that is we want to avoid the SSC public announcement with regard to the outcome of their enquiry followed by some later date with an announcement of our own. To that end we will have to assemble a team representative of Investigation, R&O and Intelligence to ensure that the various dimensions of the ToR are met. I have indicated a report back date of 24 October. You have full support of the Commissioner and me with regard to assembling that team, please advise any issues. As I understand it you intend to put Supt Tim Anderson at the head of that investigation.    If you could get back to me with your thoughts in relation to the two documents and the way ahead by lunchtime I would appreciate it so that I can get a formal message out to people later today.    Jane Archibald and Grant Ogilvie are working on a pro active media release in the name of the Commissioner for later today.    Regards  1     Mike    Mike Clement  Deputy Commissioner National Operations    P 
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If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.      <2018-09-28 Memo to AC Investigations.doc> <2018-09-28 TOR police investigation.docx> 2 BERRY, Paul From: Sent: To: Subject: Sarah Baddeley Thursday, 27 September 2018 5:04 p.m. CLEMENT, Michael RE: Thoughts Sarah? > Hi Mike I think the terms of reference is fine, but you may want to consider a para something like this in your note to the AC. “The objective of the investigation is to satisfy the Commissioner that NZ Police employees have engaged with  external security consultants properly and consistent with the Police Code of Conduct.  While the terms of reference  relates to formal or structured engagements with these providers, it is also important that the conduct of Police  employees around these engagements is considered proper.  I ask that you work to interpret the terms of reference  in such as manner as to retain public trust and confidence in the professionalism of the NZ Police and transparency  about our dealings with these types providers.    This will mean that not every tip off needs to be examined, but you would do well to investigate carefully around known areas like Hope this helps. Sarah Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting M+ T E Sarah.Baddeley MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere T +64 9 915 1360 Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz PLEASE NOTE: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential and subject to privilege. The views expressed may not necessarily be the official view of Martin, Jenkins and Associates Limited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by reply email and delete the original. Thank you From: CLEMENT, Michael [mailto:Michael.Clement@police.govt.nz]   Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2018 4:54 p.m.  To: Sarah Baddeley <   Subject: RE: Thoughts Sarah?    Sorry attached now Mike Clement Deputy Commissioner National Operations 1 mic ae .c emen police.qovt.nz It l'ltl?y ll" [1 mill wt 7w ?liw imiulnna mi aw ?luii mi ?hw i?wlix Illv} PM i ii ll . lenitw. (in Him]: .. in unlawful mi i?wllr in; vi?, if you 1l>?llIiT7il~ lw l; lull? ?it 'ill?? l?lt"? Mewi il'lw' im wiwl flilu i'iwmmw ?ll will l?Ill?V nut liw utwni my, fliiai'iw-nw1wrri of lmii?wii?n MW) lIH?w w; lwv'vwl Ill Till?? l?lxl?. iiwi iiw lullw ?liw Nws. 1 Ii .Hll il?lM? 1m ?lil?- Ill Huiw Hl ?wlv; tliw ?Wll?i??l From: Sarah Baddeley Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2018 4:50 pm. To: CLEMENT, Michael Subject: RE: Thoughts Sarah? Hi Mike There didn't seem to be a terms of reference revision attached? I think you can keep the TOR largely as is - but give instruction to your staff with more context so as to ensure the report is suf?ciently rounded and the ?ndings sit within the right context to provide con?dence. Your memo to staff could advise them to interpret the TOR to de?ne the term engagement to be ?engagement both contractually and in the context of an overall structured relationship." The interactions between Police Of?cers is only where they supplied TCIL (or others) information. I also wouldn?t advise all interactions otherwise its every private investigation tip off about a fraud case. Feel free to give me a bell or perhaps send the revision. Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting Sarah.Baddele I MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere +64 9 9151360 Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz From: SWEENEY, Mary?On Behalf Of CLEMENT, Michael Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2018 4:42 pm. To: Sarah Baddeley  Subject: RE: Thoughts Sarah?    Sarah >  Adjustments below – your thoughts?   I had stuck closely to the SSC TOR. I guess that, having now operated under that TOR, DM (and Co) are conscious of limits that the TOR contains. Point taken regarding the concept of “engagement of” private security. That is from the SSC TOR. But have made a slight tweak to our draft TOR – as marked in attached version. “Engaged with …“ (which is the revised wording) brings in a slightly wider concept, more closely aligned to ‘interacting with’ – as opposed to ‘contracted the services of …’. I wouldn’t advise that we specifically say any interactions whatsoever between police employees and private security providers.   Regards Mike Mike Clement Deputy Commissioner National Operations   P 
 M+   E michael.clement@police.govt.nz              WARNING  The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.  From: Sarah Baddeley  Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2018 3:45 p.m.  To: CLEMENT, Michael   Subject: RE: Thoughts Sarah?       Hi Mike Thanks for the chance to review. Happy to do so - although on the basis that these are just my own opinions and not those of Doug and Simon as Inquiry heads. 3 The draft TOR speaks strongly to the formal engagement of external security consultants. However, the nature of the public criticism/potential loss of confidence to date has featured two additional components: 1) Inappropriate relationships between state servants and external security consultants including, potentially, etc. All of which, I am sure, would also concern you and no doubt be a breach of your own code. 2) The receipt of intelligence (gathered through surveillance) . The first point could be a gap in your TOR. It is also the most time-consuming element of investigation. To be consistent with our method you would need to look at individual interactions and quickly identify those that are potentially problematic. For me the basic test would be to prioritise those where Police provided information to external security consultants including (especially) TCIL. This would cover off potential themes such as . It could also then exclude where Police received information from external security consultants (ie tip offs/fraud/corporate theft etc) which I understand to be common place. The second of these points is difficult given the nature of your intelligence gathering function. This might be best addressed by the term “engagement” being interpreted in the manner set out, but analysed and reported within the wider context of the operations of national intelligence functions (not unlike the advice already provided to the Inquiry by Jacqui Ellis from NZ Police). The important point is to provide assurance to the public that Police are calibrating any information received against your own risk frameworks and with a strong Bill of Rights discipline and ultimately oversight by the IPCA. At the very least I expect you will want to clarify what the nature of your relationship is with TCIL explicitly in any report. Feel free to contact me if any of the information set out above is unclear. Sarah Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting M+ T E Sarah.Baddeley MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere T +64 9 915 1360 Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz PLEASE NOTE: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential and subject to privilege. The views expressed may not necessarily be the official view of Martin, Jenkins and Associates Limited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by reply email and delete the original. Thank you From: CLEMENT, Michael [mailto:Michael.Clement@police.govt.nz]   Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2018 3:03 p.m.  To: Sarah Baddeley    Subject: Thoughts Sarah?        Mike Clement  4 Deputy Commissioner National Operations WARNING The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily re?ect those of the New Zealand Police If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately BERRY, Paul From: BUSH, Michael (Mike) Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2018 4:16 pm. To: CLEMENT, Michael Cc: ANDERSON, Cassandra; COSTER, Andrew; PEOPLES, William (Bill); ARCHIBALD, Jane; EVANS, Robert (Mark); MCCARDLE, Hamish; TIMS, John Subject: Re: SSC TCIL Investigation Thanks Mike. Sounds fair - hopefully we will have something to look at by Monday. Cheers Mike Sent from my iPhone On 20/09/2018, at 10:30 AM, CLEMENT, Michael wrote: At the conclusion of this discussion formed the view that there would be merit in ex Ioring an extension of that inquiry to include Police. my view is formed on the basis of consrs enc an rans arenc IC ou and Commissioner I met with Doug Martin, Sarah Baddeley and Simon Mount this morning as scheduled. We discussed the progress and scope of their investigation. Doug was grateful for and complimentary of the Police support for their investigation thus far. Given that Police have been outside the scope of the investigation he wanted to update us with regard to progress and expected timelines. ave been ea er to ensure at the outset. ma e. The inclusion of Police would have to be supported by SSC through to the Prime Minister for sign off. I have su ested that the startin oint would be our invitation to take this approach If Police were to be included within the scope of the investigation we would naturally support their access based off a Terms of Reference that has been applied to other agencies. Regards Mike Mike Clement Deputy Commissioner National Operations mic ae .c emen @police.qovt.nz           WARNING  The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.     2 BERRY, Paul From: EVANS, Robert (Mark) Sent: Monday, 30 July 2018 8:49 pm. To: CLEMENT, Michael Cc: VENABLES, Sandra Subject: Re: SSC Inquiry Letter to State Sector Chief Executives Draft for Police FYI Noted and understood. Mark. R. Mark Evans OBE Deputy Chief Executive: Strategy robert.evans@police.govt.nz Sent from a New Zea/and Police mobility device On 30/07/2018, at 12:35 PM, CLEMENT, Michael wrote: Mark This is to give you an early heads up that the SSC (Thomson Clark - TCIL) enquiry rolls on. The original mandate (which included Police) was extended to include a wider range of Government Agencies. While the Commissioner?s independence does limit the SSC enquiry insofar as Police is concerned, we have cooperated with Doug Martin?s enquiry as if we were subject to SSC legislation. The ori inal sco was focused on Southern Res onse and TCIL and im Iication Police. . wr nee spea Ingletter written by the enquiry to Agency (but not Police because of the independence issue) and will give you a ?avour of the learnings coming from that continuing enquiry and the suggestions being made to I have checked with the Commissioner and he sees it (as I do) as he has done throughout and that is that we would respond as if we were subject to SSC leg. Thanks Mike Mike Clement Deputy Commissioner National Operations I ?do me ae.c emen Apolice.qovt.nz 1 From: Sarah Baddeley Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:50 p.m. To: CLEMENT, Michael Cc: Doug Martin Simon Mount Subject: SSC Inquiry Letter to State Sector Chief Executives Draft for Police FYI Hi Mike For your information I attached the current draft of a letter that Doug will move to ?nalise and distribute via the Commission for State Sector CEs covered by the TOR for the extended Inquiry. I will touch base with you next week and also provide you with a ?nal in due course. Cheers Sarah Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting Sarah.Baddele MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere +649 915 1360 - - Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 <11nage003 .png> <1mage004.png> PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz SSC Inquiry Letter to State Sector Chief Executives Draft for Police FYI.docx> BERRY, Paul Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 2:03 pm. To: Sarah Baddeley Cc: CLEMENT, Michael; cha ie.tekan_ travis richard.schmidt ARCHIBALD, Jane; OGILVIE, Grant; ANDERSON, Cassandra; CHAMBERS, Richard; PANNETT, Michael (Mike); PEOPLES, William (Bill); Simon Mount Subject: Re: TCIL Yes looks fine Sent from my iPhone On 28/09/2018, at 11:54 AM, Sarah Baddeley wrote: Thanks Mike Yes, the SSC Inquiry co-heads Simon Mount and Doug Martin are meeting on Monday to discuss scope and timing issues across the SSC Inquiry generally. So we will also address what may be appropriate and helpful/relevant to your team then and revert to AC Chambers. Richard my full contact details are below. Sarah Baddeley Manager, Consulting SarahBaddele MartinJenkins Read our blog: From the Exosphere +649 915 1360 - - Level 6, The Chancery Building, 50 Kitchener Street, Auckland 1010 <1mage009.png> PO Box 7551, Wellesley Street, Auckland 1141, New Zealand martinjenkins.co.nz From: SWEENEY, Mary Sent: Friday, 28 September 2018 1:36 pm. To: cha ie.tekani ;travis.mi ls ;richard.schmidt_ Sarah Baddeley Cc: ARCHIBALD, Jane OGILVIE, Grant ANDERSON, Cassandra CHAMBERS, Richard PANNETT, Michael (Mike) PEOPLES, William (Bill) Subject: TCIL Behalf Of CLEMENT, Michael Chappie, Travis, Richard and Sarah   You are each aware that the Commissioner has been exploring options to commence an inquiry consistent with that undertaken by Doug Martin on behalf of SSC into the use of security consultants by Government agencies. .    After consulting with Ministers Woods and Nash yesterday it has been agreed that Police will conduct their own investigation in close liaison with Doug Martin’s investigation.     There are three attachments, the first is a letter from me to Assistant Commissioner Chambers instructing him to initiate an investigation, the second is the ToR and the third is the media release (which includes the ToR) which will be issued shortly.     I am going to be away for two weeks from Monday, returning 15 October. Assistant Commissioner Mike Pannett will be relieving in my role for that period.    Sarah – we do not yet have a formal mechanism to engage Doug however once he returns from overseas I would invite the conversation with AC Chambers about the way forward.     Regards        Mike    Mike Clement  Deputy Commissioner National Operations    P 
   E michael.clement@police.govt.nz              WARNING  The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately.      2 BERRY, Paul From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: COSTER, Andrew Monday, 17 September 2018 9:54 p.m. CLEMENT, Michael ANDERSON, Cassandra DPMC query re Thompson and Clark Hi Mike After the following comments by the PM at the post-Cabinet press conference today, and the story linked below that, DPMC is seeking clarification on what, if anything, we are doing to look at our connection to Thompson and Clark, and related matters. Is that something you’re best placed to give some comment on? Kind regards Andy Media:Prime Minister, why is the investigation, or the inquiry, into Thompson and Clark not looking at the Police— PM:Yeah, it’s a good question. I’ve actually raised that question directly, via my office, with SSC. It’s simply a mandate question. The State Services Commission, because of the independence of the Police, just don’t have the ability to extend their inquiry into the Police. What I’d like to see, though, is whatever findings the SSC make—for those to be shared directly with the Police. ... Media:Given the allegation about Thompson and Clark acting on behalf of police and placed tracking devices on cars, used paid informants, who developed relationships with animal rights activists who were quite young, who posed no real major threat to New Zealand—doesn’t that tell you that the inquiry needs to be extended? PM:Yeah, and I do understand police are looking into the use of Thompson Clark themselves, and that SSC is liaising with them on the work that they’re doing. But I’ve been advised that they, again, don’t have the ability to take that direct role because of the independence of the police. But I would hope that whatever findings SSC makes will be shared across the public service. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/107025400/call-for-inquiry-into-problematic-police-use-of-private-investigators 1 On 17/09/2018, at 5:41 PM, Richard Schmidt wrote: Richard Schmidt Policy Advisory Group Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet ar .50 ml The Information contained In this email message is for the attention of the intended reCIpient only and is not necessarily the offICIal View or communication of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet If you are not the intended moment you must not disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it If you have received this message in error. please destroy the email and notify the sender immediately,