GOVERNMENT
EXHIBIT

601I-2BT

09-CR-466 (BMC)

CASE NAME:

United States v. GUZMAN-LOERA

SOURCE INFORMATION:

2011-04-09 02_18 5216731306559 mexico-cel 05_20.wav

DATE:

04/09/2011

TIME:

2:18 a.m.

PARTICIPANTS:
JGL:

Joaquin Guzman Loera

CHOLO:

FNU LNU aka Cholo Ivan

ABBREVIATIONS:
[Brackets]

Background/ Noise

[U/I]

Unintelligible in English

[I/I]

Unintelligible in Spanish

Italics

Words spoken in English

[ph]

Phonetic rendering

[OV]

Overlapping conversation

 NAME

ORIGINAL LANGUAGE

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

[comienza la grabación]

[recording begins]

[ruidos de fondo]

[background noise]

1

CHOLO:

¿Bueno? [pausa] ¿Bue—?

Hello? [pause] Hell—?

2

JGL:

[OV] ¿Y los de ahora—y los de
ahora qué policía son?

[OV] What—what police is there
now?

3

CHOLO:

Los de ahora son de los Neza [PH],
ahí pasaron unas cheyenonas
empecharadas amigos de Negro y
no avisan pues. Ahí se metieron
ahora de bravos y llegué y les
pegué una buena rematada a todos,
los hijos de la chingada.

Right now those are from Neza [PH],
they came through with some
armored cheyenonas, Negro’s friends
without warning. They just showed
up all cocky and I got there and hit
them up real good, the sons of
bitches.

4

JGL:

[UI]—

[UI]—

5

CHOLO:

[OV] Después ya me di cuenta, ya
después me di cuenta que el bato es
el que les está dando la mano con
un jale por ahí con el compa Ligio
[PH], pos ya debe haber salido [UI]
yo iba pa’ [UI].

[OV] Then later I found out, then
later I found out that the guy is the
one who is giving them a hand with a
deal around there with my compadre
Ligio [PH], he must have already
gotten out [UI] I went to [UI].

6

JGL:

Oye, pero si esa gente va
uniformada. No creo que no mire
que va un policía, hombre.

Listen, but if those people are in
uniform. I don't believe they can't see
there’s a cop, man.

7

CHOLO:

No, no, van de negro. Los hijos de
la chingada encapuchados en carros
civiles.

No, no, they are wearing black. The
sons of bitches are hooded and using
unmarked cars.

8

JGL:

Por eso.

That's why.

2

 9

CHOLO:

Está cabrón.

It's fucked up.

10

JGL:

Al plat—al platicar con ellos, te das
cuenta que son policías. Mejor esos
no lo cacheteen mejor.

When you talk—talk to them, you
know that they are policemen. It’s
better not to smack those around.

11

CHOLO:

No, no, este, pos, ¿por qué no piden
permiso pa' entrar aquí es que ya
saben dónde—cómo hablarle a
uno? Él—él tiene el número de mi
carnal y todo el pedo, el bato
cabrón. ¿Por qué no se reporta?

No, no, uh, well, why don't they ask
for permission to come in here since
they already know where—how to
talk to us. He—he has my brother's
number and all that shit, the bastard.
Why doesn't he check in?

12

JGL:

¿De dónde viene?

Where is he coming from?

13

CHOLO:

El de los Neza venían de Culiacán.
Son camaradas los batos. Es el que
[UI] una investigación con el
compa Ligio, casi valió madre el
anuncio ya que—ya que [UI] pos
ya le iba a [UI].

The ones from Neza were coming
from Culiacan. The guys are friends.
He’s the one [UI] an investigation
with my compadre Ligio, the
announcement wasn't worth shit
since—since [UI] well it had already
[UI].

14

JGL:

Sí, mejor no, mejor no, pa’ no salir
mal con ellos. Diles que—que ahí
estás a la orden—

Yeah, better not, better not, so we
don’t end up badly with them. Tell
them that—that you're there at their
disposal—

15

CHOLO:

[OV] No, pos, me echaron un
guacherio a la verga. Me echaron
estatales, federales, municipales,
hasta de tránsito me echaron los
hijos de su pinche madre. Y ahorita
me corrí pa’ dentro [UI]. [UI]

[OV] No, well, they were fucking
watching me. They sicked the state,
the federals, the municipals, even
traffic, they sicked them on me, the
sons of bitches. So right now I ran
inland [UI]. [UI]

3

 16

JGL:

Bueno, Cholo, pos ahí—así
llévatela calmada, este, la gente, así
como la traes, tranquilita. Que
paran a alguien y no le echen de la
madre, ni nada. Así con respeto se
lleva bien.

Okay, Cholo, well, there—take it
easy, uh, with the people, the way
you're doing right now, calmly. If
they stop somebody, don't curse them
out or anything. You can get along
respectfully.

17

CHOLO:

[OV] [UI] ¿Pa' qué le voy a echar
mentiras? Ahí se portan mal, pos
nos portamos mal. Si se portan
bien, pos nos portamos bien.

[OV] [UI] Why would I lie? If they
behave badly there, well, we behave
badly. If they behave right, well, we
behave right.

18

JGL:

Y este, cualquier persona— [IA] ya
que la tengas amarrada y eso,
checamos pa' no fusilar gente
inocente.

And, uh, anybody— [IA] once you
have him/them tied up and such, we'll
check it out to make sure so we don't
execute innocent people.

19

CHOLO:

Sí, Señor, pero [UI] pos, hay gente
muy acelerada aquí también que
pos según les vale verga, pues. Y va
a estar cabrón—

Yes, Señor, but [UI] well, there are
people here who are quick to act here
too, that well, they don't give a fuck,
though. And it's going to be fucking
hard—

20

JGL:

[OV] [UI]

[OV] [UI]

21

CHOLO:

--[UI] vale [UI] que nosotros.

-- [UI] worth [UI] instead of us.

22

JGL:

¿No se oye decir gente de Guasave
que-que-que entre pa' allá?

Do you hear anything about people
from Guasave who-who-who go in
there?

23

CHOLO:

¿Mande?

What was that?

24

JGL:

Este, hay que va—y va obligar, eh,
tomar el pueblo de Guasave. Pos,
ya—ya tomaste Guamúchil [PH],
ahora hay que tomar Guasave
[UI]—

Uh, we need to—force us, uh, take
the town of Guasave. Well, you
already—already took Guamuchil
[PH], now we need to take Guasave
[UI]—

4

 25

CHOLO:

[OV] Dónde quiera voy, Señor,
yo…a dónde, yo—adonde usted
quiera voy. Si quiere voy pa'
Tamaulipas [PH] también, no hay
pedo—donde sea. Pero necesito que
me ayude con la plebada ahí pa' que
nos—nos haga el paro ahí, pos—
oiga, pos no-no tiene ni pa' comprar
ahí cigarros [UI] allá en el bote
porque lo que voy agarrando aquí
lo voy invirtiendo y pos, ya no
tengo ni—

[OV] Wherever you want, Señor,
I…wherever you want, I'll go. If you
want me to I'll go to Tamaulipas [PH]
too, there's no problem—wherever.
But I need you to help me with the
people there so they can do us—do us
the favor there, well—listen, well—
doesn't even have any [money] to buy
cigarettes [UI] over there in the jail
because whatever I get here I keep
investing it and well, I don't even
have—

26

JGL:

[OV] [UI]

[OV] [UI]-- [UI].

27

CHOLO:

--[UI].

-- [UI].

28

JGL:

Ya—ya va a haber algo, ya va a
haber algo. Por ahí viene ya algo.
Ya va pa', pa' que le paguen las
quincenas y ya se aliviane algo.

Soon—soon there's going to be
something, soon there's going to be
something. Something is on the way
already. Soon there's going to—to be
some so you all can cover payroll and
get some relief.

29

CHOLO:

Usted sabe que yo lo mío, yo nunca
me rajo con usted. [UI] la plebada
[UI] uno, está malo de otro, la
mamá de uno, del otro y el doctor
Alan no quiere hacer nada allá. Está
muy saturado el asunto.

You know that my, I never back out
on you. [UI] the people [UI], one, or
someone’s ill, someone’s mother or
someone else and the doctor Alan
doesn’t want to do anything over
there. The thing is messed up.

30

JGL:

Ya va—ya va a haber dinero pa'
pagar la quincena, tranquilo. Ya-ya
mero, ya mero, ya. El lunes hay que
comenzar a darle—

Soon there's going—soon there's
going to be money for payroll—calm
down. Soon—very soon, very soon.
On Monday we have to start to give—

5

 31

CHOLO:

[OV] [UI] por eso como le digo,
pero, como le digo, si hay manera
de eso de ir con el doctor de [UI]
porque ya ve que puede ver—se
enferma una familia y pos hay que
ir a atenderlos pero usted se agüita
pues. Por eso le digo yo, que me
haga el paro por ese lado.

[OV] [UI] that's why, like I tell you,
but like I tell you, if there is a way to
at least go to the doctor [UI] because
you know that there may be—family
gets sick and, well, we have to go
tend to them but you get upset. That's
why I’m asking if you can do that for
me.

32

JGL:

No, no, no—

No, no, no—

33

CHOLO:

[OV] [UI]

[OV] [UI]

34

JGL:

--habiendo, habiendo emergencias,
de inmediato.

--in case of an emergency, it’s right
away.

35

CHOLO:

Sí, es que por ahí que está enferma
una mamá de un plebe o la señora
de un plebe y pos quiere que le
hago paro uno. Pos no tiene uno
dinero a veces, pos, lo mando a la
clínica y ahí lo rechazan pa' atrás.
Es el detalle pues.

Yeah, a young man’s mom is sick or
some young guy’s missus, and well,
he wants me to do him a favor. Well,
sometimes I don’t have any money,
so I send him to the hospital and there
they refuse treatment. That's the
thing.

36

JGL:

Bueno ándale pues Cholo, cuen—
cuenta con eso y ahí 'tamos en
comunicación. Este, así llévatela
calmada con la raza pa' que, este,
oye, ¿entonces les pateaste el lomo
a los policías?

Alright then, Cholo, coun-count on
that and we'll be in touch. Uh, just
take it easy with the people so that,
uh, listen, so then, did you beat up
those policemen?

37

CHOLO:

A todos les patié el culo federales,
municipales y [UI].

I kicked their asses, the federals, all of
them, local and [UI].

38

JGL:

Y ¿qué te dijeron?

And what did they tell you?

39

CHOLO:`

Pos, ¿qué van a decir? Pos, nada,
que estaban a chingazo. [risa]

Well, what are they going to say?
Well, nothing, that they were fucked.
[laughs]

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 40

JGL:

No seas tan drástico, Cholo cabrón,
llévatele calmada con los policías.

Don’t be so harsh, fucking Cholo,
take it easy with the police.

41

CHOLO:

Digo, pues es que usted nos enseñó
a ser loba, haciéndose el loba, ando
recordando, así me gusta andar a
mí.

Well, you taught us to be a wolf,
acting like a wolf, I’m remembering
and that is how I like to do it.

42

JGL:

[OV] Ahí llévatela calmado—

[OV] Take it easy there—

43

CHOLO:

[OV] [UI] ¿Mande?

[OV] [UI] What was that?

44

JGL:

Y cua-y cuan—y así, llévatela
calmada la plebada cuando pare el
carro así tranquilos para, para que
la gente los-los traiga a ustedes así
como ahorita bien-bien-bien así. A
la gente [UI]—

And whe-and whe—and so take it
easy with the people when they stop
the car, like that, stay calm, so the
people will, will treat you like right
now, good-good-good, like that. The
people [UI]—

45

CHOLO:

[OV] Oiga, pues si ya—ya parezco,
ya parezco buzón de sugerencias,
[UI] público aquí me llegan todas
las [UI] ya, hombre.

[OV] Listen, well I feel like—I feel
like a suggestion box, [UI] public all
the [UI] already, man.

46

JGL:

[OV] [UI]—

[OV] [UI]—

47

CHOLO:

[OV] Ya la gente están robando allá [OV] People are stealing already over
que, que allá, que acá.
there, over here, over there.

48

JGL:

Ya la gente te—te mira muy bien
allí. Ahí me han llegado mensajes
de que la gente te mira bien porque
ya que—que no andan de groseros,
que muy bien. Que bueno—que
bueno. Te felicito.

7

I have received word that the people
are looking at you in a good light
because you aren’t rude/ill mannered,
that it's really good. That's good—
that's good. Congratulations.

 49

CHOLO:

Había que trabajar yo allá, así me
enseño usted. Pero como le digo,
ocupo que me mande una feria
porque no tengo ni pa’ la gasolina.
Y no me gusta andar robando.

I had to work over there, you taught
me like that. But like I tell you, I need
for you to send me some money
because I don't even have for gas.
And I don’t like to be stealing.

50

JGL:

Ándele pues, Cholo, seguro que sí.
Que estés bien y ahí nos hablamos.

All right, then, Cholo, of course. Stay
well and we'll be talking.

51

CHOLO:

Ándele, ahí me saluda—

All right, my regards to—

52

JGL:

[OV] [UI]

[OV] [UI]

53

CHOLO:

--[UI] para eso por favor porque
pos andamos fuera del área esa, ahí
por favor.

-- [UI] please because, well, we are
not in the area, over there, please.

54

JGL:

Ándele pues. Hasta luego.

All right then. Goodbye.

55

CHOLO:

Sí, me da gusto saludarlo. [UI]

Yes, it was a pleasure talking to you.
[UI]

[fin de la grabación]

[end of recording]

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