English: Ingley: English: Collet: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 1 of 10 INTERVIEW WITH Of?cer Michael Ingley DATE July 12, 2018 So, this is a Skelly hearing admonishment. Today is July 121?, 2018; uh, the time is approximately 1422 hours. This is a predisposition hearing consistent with the ?ndings and recommendation contained in a notice of intended discipline; dated June 22nd, 2018; addressed to Of?cer Michael Ingley; II) 11909. Excuse me, 1191. Present at the hearing are Chief Roxana Kennedy, Captain Vern Sallee, Acting Lieutenant John English, Of?cer Michael Ingley, and attorney Brittany Collet. Of?cer Ingley, you are provided copies of all reports in this investigation and if you would like me to, I will read the notes of intended discipline. You can waive this reading and get to the discussion on the facts in this case if you want to. Yes. I want to waive it. Okay. Of?cer Ingley, a recommendation has been made by Captain Sallee that you be terminated from employment. This is your opportunity to explain your point of view on this discipline matter. I?m going to go ahead and take the lead. First off, we?d like to thank you guys for being here. I know it?s a busy, busy time of the year, so really would like to thank you. I want to, kind of, personify Of?cer Ingley ?rst. Um, been here both a little over two years, six years in the Navy prior to that, no discipline while he was in the Navy, no prior discipline here. It?s not an issue of if a bad decision was made. It?s clear a bad decision was made, that?s not what?s going to be argued, that?s not an issue, he felt on that, sir, was 100 percent honest. Acting Lieutenant English saw the honesty in the Officer Ingley Page 2 0f 10 that it wasn?t having to pull teeth, he--forthright. Imean, he even brought forward the name of Miss -[phonetic], Miss- got the phone number that he had already blocked, he was doing everything he could to be as forthcoming as he could. He knows he screwed up, that?s not the issue. Um, the issue in this, is that we feel it?s excessive, the termination. The reason being, ?rst off, Ikind of want to go into the 647(a), um, that was mentioned in the notice of intent to discipline. The last element is not there, the fact that the defendant knew or should have known that any-~that another person who might have been offended by the def endant?s sexual behavior was present. There was nobody present. Obviously, the neighborhood - saw him go up there, that?s how there was noti?cation that this occurred, but nobody saw the sexual act. So, therefore the 647?-we have issue with that. It is?-there was no issue of possibly being a 290 registrant, the 647(a) is not met. Um, furthermore, a precedent had been set in this department in regards to sexual acts on duty by other of ?cers and those of ficers were not terminated. So, Of ?cer Ingley understands that he made a bad decision. He wants to learn from it. He has a full career at this department. He understands the trust was lost, but he wants to regain that trust. He wants to work his tail off to regain that trust and show that he is the person that you guys hired. Um, his ?ance was going to leave him when he did this, that?s why he made the bad decision. It?s not an excuse, just giving you guys a little bit of insight into his thought process. She had told him, ?I?m done.? He hit an all-time low. He has learned from that. He?s learned that ?hey you, you can?t make those type of rash decisions, you still need to check yourself.? Ingley: Collet: English: Collet: English: Of?cer lngl_ey Page 3 of 10 It?s a leaming?-it?s a learning curve; he?s young. Other of?cers in this department have done that and it?s not been termination. He wants that same opportunity to not only show you guys the of?cer that he can be, but to also, maybe, see someone that?s in the same position he is in the future, and be like, ?hey, you can?t go down that road.? He?s not the ?rst--he won?t be the last--that?s going to have sex on duty. If he can assist another of?cer, when he sees those signs, that?s a huge plus. Um, so, the prOposal that we have is 40 hours no pay and bring him back. If he needs to go back on to probation?- whatever it is--but he wants to be a Chula Vista Police Of?cer. And Of?cer lngley has, has some things he would like to say. I?m not denying anything Idid. lmean, lprovided all the information you guys need to know for your investigation, didn?t hide anything. Idid what I did and it?s, uh, de?nitely the lowest point in my life, what Idid. I?ve never been in any trouble for anything close to this before and, uh, it?s already affected every decision I?ve basically made since that moment here. While I got to work light duty again and came back, everything I did was different. It?s like, it?s changed my perspective on everything, but I?m just hOping that I do not get terminated as a result of a bad decision Imade in a very weak, low moment in my life. That?s it. Again, want to thank you guys. Sure. And we hope that you take our recommendation in to account? Sure. Sallee: Collet: Sallee: Collet: Sallee: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 4 of 10 Uh, so, the Captain who recommends the termination. Just to put some of my thought process on the record as well. And I certainly know what a, uh, um, heavy decision that is and that how it would impact you and I did not take that decision Some of the factors that, uh, Itook into account, you know, you mentioned precedent, with the department. First off, the factors are very different in each case as you-- [Interposing] Right. --well know. Uh, and, uh, those are con?dential personnel records, so we really can?t discuss it. However, there are, there?re several things in this case that are, um, very, very serious, of a?-of another order of magnitude compared to what we?d seen in the past in some, some areas. First off, the fact that you actually chose an area where you knew we--was secluded and that we had complaints that the neighbors were talking about. Um, um, to, to go there jeopardized the, the, uh, reputation of this department and every single police of?cer and it, literally the, the, the emails that we received talked about, you know, just saw a Chula Vista Police Of?cer go up the hill with a woman;? you know can?t believe this, this is,? essentially, ?continuing.? Right? And so, you struck our agency to the core, in terms of public trust. By, uh, making a bad decision, we--you?ve acknowledged that, and [lnterposing] Right. --I absolutely give you credit for your honesty-- [Interposing] Sure. Sallee: Ingley: Sallee: Collet: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 5 of 10 --about that. But when you look at the national discussion, about police officer trust, transparency, and organizations. What these relationships that we work hard every day to build, to show that our of ficers are, are righteous, upstanding citizens that can be trusted to have the absolute best judgment possible to handle any incident that could occur in the public. That completely cuts our legs out from under us. All the good work of 230 plus of?cers in this organization is, is tainted by a, a bad, granted a very bad, lapse of judgment that night. Uh, but then compounded to the place in your, your choice of, of where in a public area, uh, in an area that you knew there were multiple complaints that we were actively working as an organization, pouring resources into-- [Interposing] Right. --stop the activity that you then consciously chose to go engage in there. So, there?s a couple things that I considered there in terms of the seriousness. So, I, Iwant you to understand, Idon?t, I don?t take it And then in the county, um, Iknow that Adams Ferrone Ferrone is, is, is, uh, an LA based agency, but you are aware of what?s going on in San-- [Interposin g] Right. Sallee: -- Diego county. The fact that there?s a San Diego Sherriff Deputy, now. I think the counts are up to 18 counts of sexual misconduct on duty. Um, the Arevalos case from San Diego P.D. a few years ago with sexual misconduct on duty. Um, how do we answer to the public? How do we answer to those who we?ve--you know, that have been trusted to badge with us, to, um, to answer to them about the conduct of our of?cer? How do we keep our house Collet: Salle: Kennedy: Collet: Sallee: Of ?cer Page 6 of 10 in order? And one of the things that, you know, we do as an administration is really try and protect the reputation, uh, of our professional, uh, of our city, and of our agency. Um, and that?s a, a really grave thing that you did, uh, it-? in the context that 1 just explained and so that?s why--um, two different things precedent, uh, in the past. And, and since you mentioned precedent, I can go back a little further and cite, uh, another of f1cer who engaged in similar activity, who we did terminate. Different circumstances-- [Interposing] Right. --case to case. Right. So, there is, uh, a history of termination for on, on duty sexual misconduct. Um, there?s another case that you?re, you?re citing that has, uh, uh, several different circumstances. And then the case that-- [Interposing] That people are not privy to. Right. So, people can make assumptions. [Crosstalk] No, and Iunderstand that, and I understand the _case, where you have to look at things--every case Specific. It?s more-- [Interposing] Let, let me just wrap up really quick. So, yeah. I, I, I?ll give you your close so, um, the, the, the, you know--So, those are the things. So, and 1--but Michael to explain with the process??I mean, I?m the one recommending you be terminated and I want you to know it?s not a personal thing, Itake these things up--I?m a born and raised in Chula Vista guy and 1 live in these neighborhoods, Iknow the offence that these neighbors took. And their--1, I deal with their phone calls and I deal with the rage of ?why aren?t you doing something?? And then my very own police of ?cer goes there and does the act that they?re outraged Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 7 of 10 about and that is ruining, in their minds, their neighborhood. And that?s the reason that my recommendation to the Chief was, was the termination. Certainly, the chief has the great discretion to take all these things into account but I, certainly, want to just kind of get it on the record what those issues were in the context of that particular neighborhood, as well as the context of law enforcement, and then specifically to San Diego county, in general, of?cer sexual misconduct on duty._This certainly wasn?t of the same magnitude of criminal activity; however, you know, their--you know, the judgement there is the--is a very close nexus. Right? Uh, that, that is, you know, slivers away from, you know, some really bad things that have occurred in our county. So, I?m not saying that your conduct was of the same order of magnitude on that aspect of thing; however, clearly, um, you have a lot of opportunity, you know, during these messaging?s back and forth to realize and know that, you know, this conduct can?t, you know, occur on duty. And, um, you know, it?s four o?clock in the morning, your shift is up in two or three hours, and if this gal is trying to hook up with you, you know, all you have to have is restraint and control for another couple hours. And then you?re soot-free, doing your own personal business, which we don?t care about. Um, and so, my concern--the other part of that is, she?s wanting to hook up a guy in uniform and you gotta be in uniform or something like that and that?s why it?s an on-duty issue. I don?t know why that gal couldn?t wait another bit of time. I don?t know why you couldn?t wait another bit of time, but I, I don?t want to speculate on that. But the fact that this occurred on Collet: Ingley: Sallee: Ingley: Sallee: Ingley: Sauce Kennedy: Of ?cer Ingl_ey Page 8 of 10 duty, the time and place and context that we have in law enforcement, is, is very serious, uh, in my mind. Did you, did you want to say anything, Michael? I can, I can tell you why the time. Uh, she--her schedule was polar opposite of mine, she works early, she road up an hour prior. Okay. Initially, she wanted to meet me near ack-In-The-Box, which is a neighborhood place close to where this food place I?m at is, I?ll bring you food. And that?s where I was. Alright. Yeah, so, I, I can understand. So, it?s, it, it just, it?s an issue in the context of everything that, that?- [Interposing] I?m not trying to minimize, sir, just to clear-- -?Yeah. Absolutely. Which I appreciate, and I respect. Um, from my perspective, this is an opportunity for you to, um, share with me your insight, your thoughts, and to assure me as a Chief of Police, that this type of action would never occur again. Um, so, this is your Opportunity to share whatever you want. I?m not going to ask you any questions. This is your opportunity. And then I have to go back and look at everything and, and determine. The reputation of our organization and the, um, perception in the community is everything to Chula Vista Police Department. So, um, you know, I just want to open it up that if you want--either one of you want to say anything, but honestly, hearing from you is, is important to me. So, um, because I have a big decision to make. Ingley: Collet: Sallee: English: Of?cer Ingley Page 9 of 10 Yes, Chief. Imean, there-?I didn?t establish some grand plan with the intent of ruining relationships between the public and this police department. There?s--that would never be in my mind, I?d never try and do that. I don?t?? I?m not from Chula Vista, so I don?t know the, the depth of the public outcry and the complaints and the history there that you do, sir. So, I don?t have that perSpective and I apologize for that. I wish I did because I would?ve signi?cantly affected where I chose to meet somebody for, at the time, I thought was just to meet and?-food. But, what happened was--it was not like a premeditated thing with negative, uh, intention. If that makes sense. It was just a very, very low point where I made a bad, impulsive decision. And then?-I have no excuse for what I did. But it?s never going to happen again. Nothing even close. I just want to reiterate, just in my conversations with Of?cer Ingley, the gusto that he has of his pride for this department. And that he?s even told me, ?I?ve done nothing but think about this every day, and if I could?ve gone back and changed this decision, I would?ve. Obviously?, he goes, ?but I just--I?ve learned from it. I want a career here. I want to do everything I can.? And he?s the one that brought it to me, want to regain that trust. I want to do everything it is to regain that trust.? And that?s something that he?s speci?cally told to me that I think he is totally ?ne with me relaying to you guys. And that?s all that we have. Okay. Alright then. Um, go ahead and then go off the record, the time is approximately Page 10 of 10 Transcribed by: ?Ubiqus Reporting Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 1 of 23 INTERVIEW WITH OFFICER INGLEY Meredith: We are on?-we are on record right now. Okay. Today is 5/7 at English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Collette: approximately 5:05. Uh, my name is Sergeant Mark Meredith. I have Sergeant John English, Officer Mike Ingley, and Brittany Collette with me in the room. Let me go ahead and get that. So the ollowing--so my name is, uh, Mark, Sergeant Mark Meredith. I'm in the patrol division team six. This is an administrative investigation being conducted at inside the, uh, sergeant's brie?ng, or sergeant?s interview room on 5/07 at approximately 5:05. This is an admin invest, uh, investigation conducted for, and it is conduct unbecoming and/0r also, uh, falsifying police records. I will be the employee in charge of the interview. All questions during the interview will be asked by me and through no more than two interviewers at one time. The other interviewer will be named. It will be Sergeant John English. The following individuals are present in the room. Let me make my?? Sure. Uh, Sergeant John English, ID 684. Mr. Ingley, can you announce your presence for the-- Mike Ingley, 1191. Okay. And Brittany Collette of Adams Ferrone and Ferrone. Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Officer InngY Page 2 of23 I will be recording this interview. You have the right to assess the recording prior to any further interviews. You have the right to record this interview yourself, if you so desire it, and it is being recorded by myself and Ms. Collette. Um, you have the right to representation during the course of this interview. You have the right to take reasonable breaks during the course of this interview. No offensive or threatening languages, promises, or other inducements to answer questions may be used against you during the course of this interview. You are directed to answer any and all questions that are asked, completely and truth, and in a truthful manner, giving us information that might help determine what happened. Failure to answer the questions will be considered an act of insubordination and/or failure to answer truthfully can be independent basis for disciplinary action, including and up to termination. You are ordered to keep the investigation confidential, and not to discuss this investigation with any witnesses or other involved individuals, including the Complainant. But you may Speak to your union representative or attorney. So is what we're going to do is I'm going to ready you both your Miranda rights and your Lybarger rights current, right now, okay? Okay. Uh, once again, right now this is just an administrative investigation. But due to the nature of this administration investigation, Government Code 3303H requires me to advise you of your constitutional right. Therefore, it is important that you understand, uh, the criminality. So you have the right to remain Silent. Anything you say, uh, may be used against you in a court. Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Meredith: Collette: Meredith: Ingley: Of f1cer Ingl_e_y Page 3 of 23 You have the right to, to an attorney before and during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed free for you before and during questioning, if you wish. Do you understand each of these rights I have just explained to you Yes. With these rights in mind, do you wish to Speak to me now? No. Now, your Lybarger warning. While you-- For the record, just have him initial next to that. Okay. Thank you. For the record, we're going to have him initial there, his answers. Okay. Here are Lybarger warning. While you have the right to remain silent with regard to any criminal investigation, you do not have the right to refuse to answer my questions administratively. This is an administrative investigation. I am therefore now ordering you to answer all of my questions fully and honestly. If you refuse to answer any of my questions, your silence can be deemed insubordination and result of, uh, administrative discipline up and to including, uh, termination. Any statement you make under compulsion of threat of such discipline cannot be used against you criminally. So then what I'm going to have you do is I need your signature saying that you understand this. Okay. Meredith: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer 1ngl_ey Page 4 of 23 Date, and then I will Witness it. Uh-huh. And for the record, you are willing to discuss this with us? Okay. Yes? Sure. 1am. Okay. See the will here? Yes, sir. Yeah. If you'd circle that for us? Great. Thank you. Thank you. So is how I'm going to proceed, I'm just going to basically explain why you're here and lay out what I've done to this point. Okay. And then we'll give you a chance to answer as far as what the allegations are. Does that make sense? Yes, sir. Okay. So on 4/8 of 2018, at approximately430 hours in the morning, uh, resident of Moonview saw an of ?cer park his vehicle and then a female, a few minutes later, park behind him, and then walk up the hill to the water tower at Moonview. Mm-hm. Okay? Uh, since that time, uh, we were able to identify who that of ?cer was through various means. Um, one was through GPS. Yes, sir. Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 5 of 23 Um, the other one was through CAD transmissions, otherwise--and that of?cer was identi?ed as you. 80-- Yeah. --we know that you were working that day because I have the roster here in front of me. Um, I've also, since that time, gone to the actual scene and con?rmed there's at least three cameras, possibly four cameras. I haven't had the time to look at them yet-- Yes, sir. --to determine, but I know that they are there, um, on the houses, the residence, surrounding Moonview. Yes, sir. You know where that's at. So the reason why this is such a big deal is the city, in conjunction with the police department, has spent considerable money to lessen the problems that occur there, and some of those problems are mostly kids, but as well as adults, um, doing drugs,-- Yeah. --and having sex there, and basically-- Yeah. -?causing a nuisance for the neighborhood. Right. So the city, to help loose, lessen that nuisance, put up a bunch of street lights, a bunch of signs saying don't park here, painted some of the curb red, okay? Mm-hm. Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Of :?cer Ingl_ey And also numerous extra patrols have been put out asking of?cers to extra patrol the area to stop this problem. Yes, sir. Okay? Yeah. So that's kind of where we're at. So I'm going to leave it up to you from, take it from there. What happened? Well, what was the date and time? Uh, 4/8 at approximately 4:30 in the morning. 4/ 8. That's--we come in the day before. Okay. So it was Friday into Saturday. Yeah. Or Saturday?- The actual-- --into Sunday. Uh, it'd be Saturday into Sunday. Saturday into Sunday. Um, I did--is that the night I put myself out at extra patrol there? Yes, it is. Yeah, I, I met somebody. Okay. And who was that somebody? Uh, a girl. And who was that girl? Page 6 of 23 Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 7 of 23 It was a girl from National City. Is she a girlfriend, wife? Uh, it's not my, not my girlfriend, just a acquaintance. And what did you guys do? Took her up top to the, uh, the water tower. She wanted to meet me as a cop basically. And what did you take her to the water tower for? To meet her. And what does that mean? Um, I've, I've never, like, encountered her in person before. She was, uh, from plentyof?shcom. Do what--do you remember her name? No. Do you have a phone number? Not anymore. Uh, I deleted it and blocked it because it just, it wasn't a good thing in my life. Okay. So what did you take her up there for? Imean, you're saying just to meet, but meeting somebody could mean a lot of different things to-- Yeah. lot of different pe0ple. So what does that mean? She just wanted me to meet in, like, a quiet spot, and, uh, basically we went up there and Iwas, you know, but Iwas like, like hugging with her and making out with her and stuff like that. It's not good, but, you know, that's what it was. Eventually it's what it got to at least, you know, just - - . Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Officer Ingl_ey Did you have sex with her? Did I have sex with her? Yeah. How long were you up on there for? Probably like 15 minutes. 15 minutes? Yes, sir. Page 8 of 23 Did you tell your other partners that you were going to go up there and meet anybody? No, sir. Okay. How long had you planned this out for? Um, I would, I would never plan something like this. It was--it was impulsive and it was a bad choice in a weak moment. Have you done this before? No, never. Never? That was-- That was your first time? Yeah. How long have you been a 00p? Uh, two years. Two years? Yeah. Do you still have access to your account at PlentyOfFish? Uh, I don't think so. Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of ?cer Ingle_y Page 9 of 23 But it'd still be on your phone technically, if you wanted to bring it back, it's?- I used the website. I don't have the app or anything on my phone. So what??did you use it on your personal phone or did you use it on work phone? It's my personal phone, yeah. Your personal phone? Yeah. So it'd still be on your personal phone because it's an app, correct? No, I didn't use the app. I used the website. Okay. Through the internet. So you still have access to it though, because you just have to go and 10g in under whatever your name is? So when I deleted her and blocked her, I changed the password on the account and everything like that. I mean, I could, like, reset the password and get back on it and stuff like that, but, like, I deleted everything. Okay. Is that something you'd be willing to show us? PlentyOtFish, uh, the account? Mm-hm. Uh, yeah, I could, like, re?log into it, I guess. What exactly is PlentyOfFish? Just a website where you can meet girls. So it's like a dating website? Yes. English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Of?cer lngl_ey Page 10 of 23 Is there money or a fee associated to joining it? No, it's free. It's like Tinder. Okay. Tinder is the same thing. It's like a dating app, but, uh, I didn't use the app; I just used PlentyOfFish. Is there, like, a money exchange at all?? No, no way. ?-between you and the participating parties? No. Did you exchange money with this woman? Oh my God, no. Okay. This-?no, this lady was like a single mother of some kids. Do you know-? She-- Do you remember her name? No, I don't remember her name. I think she's married, but I don't know. Hispanic girl? Yeah. Can you kind of describe her to us? What do you?-what do you want, like - I know?-we know she's Hispanic, but what else about her? How old? How tall? Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Meredith: Ingley: English: Ingley: Collette: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer lngl_e_y Page 11 of 23 Uh, she's the same age as me. She's a little shorter. What does that mean? How old are you? I'm 27. Okay. She's, uh, a little bit shorter than me, probably like 5-6, uh, short, curly hair, has a big butt. That's it. Light?skinned, dark?skinned? Medium complexion. Do you want to see if we can get the account information? Um, yeah, we'll, uh--we'll talk about that. Okay. I could try to log in now if you guys want. If you're willing to do that right now. Yeah, sure. And just for the record, he is not opening an app; he is typing in plentyof?shcom onto his web server. Thank you. So the inbox is, like, cleared out, but this, this is here, and it's, it's on this, this, like, inbox. And it saves here, but I guess it, like, purged itself or something. I don't know. I tried to pull up inbox or something-- You're ?ne. That's - - . Thank you. So this is the site. It's like inbox, meet me, people who, like, like your pro?le. You can see who matches with you, right. So like this is this person, yes, no, that kind of thing. Make sense? Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Collette: Ingley: Collette: Ingley: Collette: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Of?cer Page 12 of 23 Mm?hm. Okay. So it was like that. So can you unblock her so we could see her again? It's, it's not blocked on this site. This, this site had the messages with us but it's like, this, it's not there. I don't know-? So when you say you blocked her, you blocked her cell phone number-? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. --and all that? Yeah. So that she can't call you? Yeah, that was it. I'm, I'm not talking about on this app or whatever. So can you??would you be able to go into your phone and show what call, or what phone numbers have been blocked? I use the app called TextNow. All right. That's--I'm not familiar with that. So you're gonna--you're gonna have to help me out. Here. I'll download it and log in my-- I guess for me, the question would be, is there a way that you can retrieve her phone number for us? I'm trying to do it right now. Thank you, sir. How many times have you met this girl? Three times. All on duty or none on duty? How many? Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer lng1_ey Page 13 of 23 Just that one time on duty. The rest were not on duty. Do you know approximately when you met her? It was within pretty close proximity, probably like one or two weeks each way, you know, like before and after. I'm trying to find where they have, like, blocked numbers. It says 1 have zero numbers blocked, but then I pull up this thing and it says these numbers, but, like, I I've blocked a lot of peOple on this, so I don't know which one hers is Speci?cally. Would you mind if we took a look at that? The numbers? Mm-hm. Uh, I?m going to try and--I think I have her Snapchat. I'm going to try and message her directly and get the number from her that way, so I can give, give it to you guys like that. Is she gonna answer at 5:30 in the morning? Uh, she wakes up--she works at a hospital so she wakes up at like 5:30 usually every weekday. So what else do you know about this- You said she's possibly married and has a couple kids. Yeah, on her Snapchat story, she had a picture with a ring on, so, but she has like, uh, three kids, yeah. And what--what does she do at the hospital? She's a medical assistant, Ithink it's called. Do you know what hospital? She just works for- so it's like all of the-ospitals. English: Ingley: Meredith: Of :?cer lngley Does- have a last name? 1 want to say it's -but I'm not 100% sure. that's her name. Page 14 of 23 How do you Spell it? Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Collette: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Yeah,_ All right. So 1 messaged her--1'm messaging her right now. But we're not friends anymore because 1 blocked her. And when you block somebody, it, like, removes you from friends on Snapchat. So I have to, like, re?add her. She has to re?-you know. Okay. So hOpefully she'll get back to you so we can-- Yeah. And if not, we can ?gure out. If not, once he gets the number, I'm okay with him sending it to me and then 1 can forward it to you, as opposed to him giving over his phone, because I think that's what he's not comfortable with. Okay. So let's go back a little bit. Mm-hm. And let's go back up to the hill. Okay. So you're up on the hill. You-- Yes, sir. You started with your hugging and kissing. And then ultimately, I asked you if you had sex, and you said yes. Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Of?cer Page 15 of 23 Yeah, we did. You're going to have to kind of explain that better. What do you mean? By having sex? Mm-hm. What speci?cally do you want to?? Well, I mean, did you have anal sex, did you have vaginal sex, did you?- Just vaginal. Did she give you a blow job? I mean-- Yeah, she gave me a blow job. So that's what I'm gonna have to kind of ask. Yup, that was it. We made out, she gave me a blow job, and then we had vaginal sex. So were you completely undressed, was she completely undressed? No, it was?-it was like, uh, really like spur of the moment, kind of near the water tower, like, away. I didn't really feel comfortable doing it, but it was like, she just kind of lifted her dress up and I just pulled my pants down a little bit and that was it. I tried to be fast, you know. Did you lay on the ground? No. Was it standing up? It was??it was standing. Like, she just bent over. That was it. And whose idea was that? Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Collette: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 16 of 23 She wanted to see me the most. Imean, uh, it's like, I can't say that it wasn't my idea, right, like, I was there. I know my decisions. Right, but, um, it was both of us, I guess, yeah. So just kind of walk me through it. And I know it sounds weird, but you walk up there, stait talking. I mean, you're gonna kind of have to walk me through this so I can get the order down. She??well, at that point, we had already seen each other, like, but she hadn't seen me as a cop. Mm?hm. And so that's what she wanted to see. Um, and she's, she's just like a really, like, sexual person, so that was basically it. She just pretty, pretty much wanted to have sex. Had you guys had sex prior? Yeah, one time. That--that was the second time. So was this a prearranged meet then for you guys? No, she was-? Like, hey, I?m working tonight?just let me ?nish. Okay. Like, I'm working tonight. If you want to meet up, I know a great spot where we can go, nobody will see us, I'll hit you up. It wasn't really prearranged like that. It was--she was sending me Videos of her, like, playing with herself and stuff, and she just kept doing it, and eventually she was just like, where are you, can I meet you, and all that stuff, and that's where we went. English: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Qf?_cer_Ing1?y Page 17 of 23 Okay. Whose idea was it to meet up there? Imean, I would say hers. Because she just-?she kept sending me, like, videos and stuff, you know, so-- No, but whose idea was it to meet at Moonview? Oh, that speci?c spot? Yes. Me, because she wanted to meet me and I didn't really no any place, you know, so I guess that's what I, uh, picked. Did you call her to say meet me here? No, she'd been texting me. So you text her and said, you told her to meet her there? We'd both been texting each other. Yeah, she?? No, no, no. I'm saying this speci?c spot. Did-~did I text her that Spot? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So she's sending you?- She doesn't know Chula Vista so. So she's sending you those Videos; she's saying I want to meet? Yeah, yeah. You kind of understood what it was for-- Yeah, I-- ?because she's-- Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Ingley: English: Of?cer Ingley Page 18 of 23 --said, I'm at work, and all this stuff, and I was like, I don't want to get in trouble. She said I don't want to get in trouble either, but I still want to meet you. I said, okay, I guess here, and gave her the address. And--okay. Yeah. And how long after you send out the text? Was it immediately, was it 15 minutes later, was it an hour later, meet me here at-? When she got there? Meet me here at 3:00, meet me-- No, it was pretty quick. Okay. She was awake, so. So you knew what was going to happen. I didn't know we were gonna have sex until we were there doing it, right, but, like, I mean, I knew for sure we were gonna make out and stuff, yeah. Okay. And you use that app, the-what did you call that app? PlentyOfFish. No, no, the app that you text her on. TextNow. TextNow? I have that written in my notes somewhere. Mike, when you're doing this, you advised--did you advised dispatch that you would be tied up somewhere? Yeah, I put myself on extra patrol there. Extra patrol? Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 19 of 23 Yeah. Did your partners know anything about this? No, I never--I would never tell anybody about that. Okay. Uh, it wasn't like a planned thing. Well, it wasn't a--it wasn't a planned thing to have sex with her, but it was a planned thing to meet her. That's why you put-- Well-- --yourself out-- --even, even that was pretty, like, impulsive, because she was just talking to me on the phone, sending me videos to - - right, like, and it, it was, it wasn't really like a-?I wasn't, like, the day before, like, hey, meet me at work doing this thing. It was just, like, she kept texting me, like, hey, I'm awake, like I'm horny, I'm doing these things, sending these videos. Likejust, you know, at the wrong moment, you know, at that moment in time, I said yes. Obviously it's not a good choice, but it was, it was very, like, heat of the moment, you know. Nothing too meditated about it. Why did you put yourself on extra patrol there? I don't know. I just where I was. I was gonna be there. We--we were gonna walk up to the water tower. In my head, that's how I had it planned, that we were gonna walk up to the water tower, you know, make out or do something for a little bit, and then walk back down, like, just like if I would be there doing that anyways. So I mean, I was kind of doing two birds with one stone. Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Of :?cer Page 20 of 23 Well, what do you mean about, like, killing two birds with one stone? Extra patrolling that anyways, like I would normally. And why were you--so outside of meeting-there, what do you know about that area? Why are you there to extra patrol. So it's a good stop, spot to, like, stop people of doing stuff, and there's, like, always complaints and stuff, like, you know, so whenever you go over there is good. Idon't think Ihave anything else - - . Hm. Let me just take a look at the notes. - - . It's chicken scratch. No, that's all right. I didn't ask you. Do you remember around what time this all occurred? Whenever the extra patrol was, that's when it happened. Okay. Yeah. Did you get there ?rst or did she get there ?rst? Uh, I waited for her to call me when she was there, because I didn't want to just sit there on the street. I'm sorry. Say that again. I said, I waited for her to get there and then call me and, when she was there. So you were already on Moonview? No. I didn't want to sit on Moonview and wait for her. Oh, okay. So-- Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 21 of 23 So she got there ?rst? Yeah. Okay. And then you showed up? She told me she was driving there and all this stuff, because it was early in the morning, so she had to, like, shower and get out of bed and stuff, because she was sleeping, basically laying in her bed when we were talking. And, uh, I waited for her to get ready and all that stuff, and then tell her whenever she was actually, like, about to be there, and then I drove over there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So do you--are you aware that the department has policy about sex on duty? I have not speci?cally read it, but I mean, yeah, it'd be stupid to say that there's no policy. For sure you can't do it. Okay. I fucked up. Now, -- Yeah, I didn't do it. I, I violated it. Okay. I appreciate your honesty. Yeah. Uh, I know it's a hard thing. Yeah. Is there anything else that you would like to convey? Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Meredith: Ingley: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Meredith: English: Collette: English: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 22 of 23 I mean, it was??it was just a bad decision. Um, I've never come close to doing anything like that. I wouldn't have even thought about that. It was usually like a really, really bad, impulsive decision. She caught me at, like, a very weak moment, and, uh, I've already cut all ties with, from that relationship because there was nothing good coming from it. As you can see, I blocked her on everything already, like, a long time ago. I mean, it sucks that I'm here doing this, you know, but I mean, I shouldn't have done it. That was disgusting, so you know. Well, I, I appreciate your, um, your honesty come?? Yes, sir. --coming forward. Yeah. Yeah, that's??that is??thank you for being honest. You know, obviously it's?? we'll, we'll ?gure it out from here. 1 mean, we're, uh, we're going to continue the investigation. Yeah. Um, I'll write my report. Is there anything else that we need to get on the record? Do you want to?? Uh,no. We're??okay. I think we're good. All right. Do you want to state the time that we're ending? Sure. Of?cer Ingley Page 23 of 23 Meredith: It is now 5:37, still on May 7th, or approximately. Transcribed by: Ubiqus Reporting Officer Ingl_ey Page 1 of 12 INTERVIEW WITH OFFICER INGLEY MAY 11,2018 English: Okay. Today's date, Friday, May 11th, 2018. It's approximately 1226 hours. This is Sergeant John English, Professional Standards Unit, Chula Vista Police Department, um, ID number 684. In the room presently is? Ingley: Of?cer Michael Ingley, 1191. English: Okay. Kristof erson: Attorney John Kristofferson from Adams Ferrone and Ferrone. English: And we're going to be conducting a second administrative investigation for the general purpose of looking at issues surrounding conduct unbecoming as well as falsifying police records. In the presence of Attorney Kristofferson and Officer Ingley, um--1et me just get my date here--we have on record that we interviewed you, I believe it was on Monday, Monday, May 7th, uh, 2018, where Sergeant Meredith read you your, um, Lybargerer at, Miranda admonishment. Um, is this??this is correct? Ingley: Yes, sir. English: Okay. And at which time, um, after your Lybargerer warning, um, you elected to provide a statement and COOperate. We will stipulate for the record to that original admonishment and reading. Um, you're okay with this? Ingley: Yes, sir. English: Okay. Kristof erson: English: lngley: English: lngley: English: Ingley: English: lngley: English: lngley: English: lngley: English: lngley: English: Of?cer 1ngl_ey Page 2 of 12 Right, and this is a follow up to the ?rst interview, same investigation, same admonishment applies, and he is being compelled to provide this statement today. Correct. Thank you, John. All right. Um, so essentially, uh, Of?cer Ingley, what, what I need to do is based on the ?rst statement, there's a few questions that I have that I just needed clari?cation on, and so I'm going to go ahead and ask you-- Okay. ??and this applies to that. 1n regards to the, uh, social media, um, or the website, PlentyOfFish-- Yes. --how frequently do you use this site or other similar dating sites while on duty? Not frequently. Okay. So you use these social sites while on duty? It was just whenever I was in that period of meeting her, 1 met her and then I just wasn't really looking or using it anymore, and I haven't since. Okay. So it was just during this interaction with Ms.- Yeah, when I met her. When you met her? Yeah. Okay. Were you working and looking at your social media pro?le? When 1 met her? Yes. ?cer Ingl_ey Page 3 of 12 Ingley: No. English: Okay. So you were off duty using the website, PlentinFish? Ingley: When I initially met her, yeah. English: While you were, you were using PlentinFish? Ingley: Yes. English: Okay. So if I understand you correctly, while you're on duty, you don?t use social dating websites? Ingley: No. English: Other than that one speci?c encounter? Ingley: But it wasn?t on duty that time when me and her were talking it was text. English: Okay. But you have, on duty, during this relationship, used that social media website? Ingley: No. English: Okay. So it was off duty? Ingley: To use PlentinFish-- English: Yeah. Ingley: --to meet her? English: Mm?hm. Ingley: Yes, off duty. English: Okay. Kristof erson: I think a point of clari?cation, um, when you initially met Ms. Ingley: -through PlentyOfFish, that was off duty? Yes. Of?cer Ingley Page 4 of 12 Kristof erson: And then, uh, she, the actually, um, night of the incident that we're talking about, you didn't contact her via PlentyOfFish? Ingley: Yeah. I?-we were texting. Kristofferson: Okay. English: Do you??do you use any other social media sites for dating relationships while on duty? Ingley: No. English: Thank you. Um, at some point after your encounter with Ms- over there near the, near, uh, Moonview-- Ingley: Yeah. English: Okay. Uh, which we've talked about in length, why did you decide to block her or delete her from your account? Ingley: We kept hanging out and it just didn't seem like it would have worked out as like a long?term relationship. So I just felt that the return on investment timewise, you know, wasn't going to be good. So I just cut it off. English: Okay. What would be the necessity for, like, blocking her though? Ingley: That's more to just stOp me from continuing to try to talk to her, you know, or if she does message me again or something, Iwould keep doing it. You know, like, just put up the wall, you know, and move on, divert her attention, you know, to elsewhere. English: Okay. Um, do--was there anything that happened between the two of you which, like, an argument of sorts? Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of :?cer Ingley Page 5 of 12 She, she would get mad sometimes if, like, I didn't return her call or text or something right way. It was just petty stuff, right? It was kind of just like that towards the end, you know. That's all. And she did--she was texting you your phone? She was texting my phone? Your personal phone. Yeah. How about the Department's issued phone? No. Okay. Um, do you still have in retention any of her text messages? From that meeting, no. At all. Uh, text messages, no, because it was, it was from a old thing. I, I had to, like, re-add her on Snapchat to get her phone number again - - . There was, like, once I re-added her, it brought back, like, random singular messages on Snapchat. Mm-hm. But no text or anything were retained. How about photographs or Videos that she may have sent you? No, Idon't have any. Did you have any and then delete them? They were in that, like, text, the text exchange we had before I blocked her. That, that all got deleted when 1 blocked her. English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 6 of 12 Okay. During the interview, um, you had mentioned, uh, on this speci?c early morning hour, um, when this event occurred where you, where you guys got together sexually, you indicated that she wanted to go meet in a quiet spot. What did you think, uh, or why did you think that she wanted to meet at a quiet spot? She's kind of just a private person. Um, we have really, like, con?icting schedules and she has kids. So it's, it's really dif?cult for us to get time together and we have to, like, move a lot of mountains and, you know, it's pretty dif?cult to kind of set up the correspondence to meet. And for whatever reason, she wanted to meet me, she said she was going to bring, like, Jack in the Box or something, like food to me. Min-11m. And I said, okay, and I just gave her that place because I didn't really know any other place that was in my beat that would be, like, a good spot to meet that--because I don't want to do something like that just in the middle of a big public parking lot or something like, you know, eat food with somebody or-- Okay. --meet with somebody. At any time, um, did you think, before she got there, that you guys were going to engage in sexual activity? No, that was not my intention. Okay. Going back then to you meeting this woman, how did she know that you're a Chula Vista cOp? Well, 1-- English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Of?cer Page 7 of 12 Can you tell me the story? Yeah, just when We met, you know, you go through the standard, um, exchange of questions, like this is me, this is my life, what do you do for work, what do you do for work, what are your interests, hobbies, that kind of thing. And I was honest with her. I told her what I do for work and that was it. From the get-go? Yeah. Was this via cell phone conversation, text message, what? Uh, probably I think phone call. Phone call? We had met in person once before that as well. Okay. And how long was this relationship that you had with this woman? I don't know. We--we talked probably for two months. Okay. Yeah. With your online pro?les, social media-- Yes, sir. --Instagram, Facebook, do you have any of these? Yes. Which ones do you have? Uh, Facebook and Instagram. Okay. And then do--are you involved in any other dating sites? Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 8 of 12 Uh, I used to be on Tinder a long time ago, and then the PlentinFish account. So, but I don't, like, actively use those like Instagram or Facebook. On any of these sites?- Yes, Sir. --do you have any pictures of you in your Chula Vista uniform or anything that identi?es you as a Chula Vista police of?cer? No. Nothing at all? No. In regards to the speci?c date, so it'd be April the 7th, 2018, um, when you arrived at the Moonview area, the location where you met this woman-- Yeah. Okay. Just prior to you guys engaging in sexual activity, you contacted diSpatch and you put yourself on extra patrol. Yes. Okay. Did you ever do an extra patrol? Yeah, I went to the water tower and came back, I mean, big picture, but you know. Was this prior to her getting there or her leaving, or were you with her? Well, she met me. Uh, she had her food in the car and we walked up there and checked the water tower like I normally would, and then she was there and we stayed. Do you think that's an ineffective extra patrol? No. English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of?cer Ingl_ey Page 9 of 12 Did you knowingly put yourself out on extra patrol to conceal your activity? Meeting her? Yes. Yeah, sure. I could say that. Okay. And is it safe to say that the extra patrol, although it was maybe good in thought, never really occurred? Well, it, it de?nitely occurred, 1 mean, because if I would have put myself out on extra patrol, I would literally have done the same thing I did then when I met her, but, um-- Well?? ~?with, with her being there, it de?nitely-- If, if, if I may? Yeah. Most people, when they key the radio and put themselves on extra patrol, it's to patrol a speci?c area that is of interest to the public because there's a high crime rate-- Yeah. --going on, or calls for service-- Mm?hm. --and requesting police presence. Yes, sir. Do you agree to that? Yes. English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Of?cer lngl_ey Page 10 of 12 Okay. And during these extra patrols, it's completely uncommon to have a person you're dating with you and then to have a sexual encounter-? Yes. --while you're doing the extra patrol? Yes. Okay. So what I'm trying to get at is the real reason, would you agree, that you put yourself on extra patrol then was to conceal the fact that you were with this woman? Yeah, we can say that. Okay. You agree to that? Yes. Okay. Why didn't you put yourself out on code seven if you were going to eat lunch? I don't know. That's just the decision I made. No clue, sir. Okay. People don't normally put themselves out on code seven, in general, that I, to my experience. It seems like it's kind of looked down upon anyways. Okay. Because this is an investigation that deals with a sexual content, have you ever taken a picture of yourself in your uniform while performing sexual activities? No. You never sent anything to her? No. I mean, I've sent videos of her, of myself to her, but it has nothing to do with my uniform or work or anything like that. English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: Officer Page 11 of 12 Okay. In a sexual way? Like message her myself in a sexual way? Yeah. Yeah. But never with the Chula Vista Police Department uniform? No. Okay. At any time while you were with this woman, did she ever tell you that she did not want to participate in the sexual activity? No. Ever tell you to stop? No. Did you ever physically restrain her? No. And for the record, when was the last time that you Spoke to her? It was the message asking for her phone number to give to you guys. Okay. And then?? So shortly after our interview, which we were aware that you were going to do? Yeah. Did you disclose the investigation at all to her? No. I said, what's your phone number, uh, something like, it's important and I need your phone number or something. Please, like, re-add me, some, basically something like that, to get it quickly. 10 11 13 14 15 English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Ingley: English: Of?cer Ing1_ey Page 12 of 12 Okay. Well, lhave no further questions. Okay. Uh, if there's anything else that you would like to add? No, same as before, just that I'm sorry that I did what I did, and it won't happen again. Okay. Give me a second here. And just to clarify, um, you never, you never had any, any text, emails, conversations, either phone or in person, and spoke to her about what or what not to say here about this speci?c investigation? No. Then I think that concludes all the answers that we have. Okay. And the time is 12:41. Transcribed by:_Ubiqus Reporting Sgt-Lem?nglisnt?laaett) Page 1 of 26 mm DATE - I, I kept getting your voicemail 'cause I'm assuming you were - - as was English: calling. Yeah. So, um, yeah, very thankful that you called. - let me explain to you who I am and what I do here, okay? English: Um, ?rst, ?rst of all, let me say this. You're, you're not under investigation, okay. And you have done nothing wrong. Um, at the police department, uh, I facilitate and sit in a chair that works essentially what is Internal Affairs. Do you know what that is? English: English: English: Okay. So, I work lntemal Affairs and we had a, uh, an incident, uh, occur with an of?cer of ours. And one of my jobs is to investigate conduct or just policy, uh, procedure and policy violations, and anything criminal that an of?cer may have done, right? Right. So, in this case I, I have to open what they call an administrative investigation and document it. It's also required by me by law to do so. Okay? Okay. Now, it is a con?dential investigation, okay? Which, when I'm ?nished with it, it's gonna go behind a locked door and a locked ?le. And so, it's not distributed or given to anybody else, okay? It's just for our internal, uh, English: English: English: English: English: English: English: ggtiohninglishjCase? Page 2 of 26 process of investigation. It was brought to our attention that you may have some information as it applies to one of our of?cers, uh, with speci?c, uh, conduct-related concerns that, uh, were brought to our attention. Um, if you have maybe about, I'm hoping 15 minutes to talk to me, maybe you could shed some light on some stuff for us and bring some things into clarity. Sure. Great. So, we have a, we have numerous, numerous of ?cers here. Do you know anybody that works here at the Chula Vista Police Department? I do. I was talking to a gentleman. We were actually dating, but we're not dating anymore. Okay. So, um, the gentleman that works here, is he an of?cer? He is a police of?cer with CVPD. Okay, and what, what is his name, or what do you know him as? Um, well, I know his name is Mike, um, but he didn't?we spoke for a couple months, um, and I know his last because, lmean, I've seen him in uniform before, so I know it's Engley [phonetic]. What is it? Engley. Engley. Okay. I'm not sure how to pronounce it. Okay. We do have, we do have an Of?ce Engley. Can you do me a favor and give me a physical description of him? Uh, about 5' Okay, ?ve feet, seven inches. Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 3 of26 Caucasian, blue eyes. Long hair. English: English: English: English: English: English: English: Correct. Uh, built structure, very muscular. Muscular. Yeah. Approximately how old would you, would you say he is? Um, 27? Okay. No more than 30. Okay. I mean, that's assuming he's telling me the truth. Right, so? [lnterposing] - nowadays. I just don't know. No, this is correct. So, I just want to put this out there. I'm not the moral police. Um, I'm not somebody that's going to judge you or anybody else for your own decisions, your own dating habits. That's not my, my, my position. But as I explained to you, the police department does have policy and procedure that says essentially what we can and cannot do on and off duty, right? So, you were in a dating relationship with Mr. Engley for approximately how long? Um, it, it was about, I want to say, six months or so. Three months of about talking and I want to say about, I want to say a good three months of, like, you know, dating whenever he's off and just constant emails. Hardly see each other, so. There is this?the reason I mentioned I've seen him in uniform is English: English: English: English: English: Egt. John English (Case Page 4 of 26 because there is a time where I'd stop by, bring him lunch. Hey, you know, I brought you cheeseburgers or whatever. So. Okay. So, um, so you guys were in a date?So, I just understand, just to recap, you were in a dating relationship with him for about six months, and? or, excuse me, in a, in a relationship with him for six months. The ?rst three months, you guys were just talking. The relationship was serious about three months and, uh, talking in total six months. Okay. Um, dating dating, per se, I want to say three months. And that's actually seeing each other 'cause I'm not the type of person who usually meets people right offhand. I don't, I don't like to do that especially because he told me that he was an of?cer, and I don't usually believe people. I'm not that usually gullible. Um, people are very good liars nowadays. Yeah, I can understand that. Um, so, so, in your relationship, um, when you say you were talking, this is like Via text or phone calls, or would you guys hang out with each other? Phone calls, mostly. Um, he works a lot. I work a lot. I'm in the medical ?eld. Um, I hardly have time. As you can tell, I didn't answer your call. No, I understand completely. You're busy. Yeah, I mean, we hardly have time. Son, when he would see each other, you know, it was very seldom, very short. Maybe gone out maybe like four or ?ve dates, I think. Very seldom. Four or ?ve dates? English: English: English: English: Sgt. Jo_hn Page 5 of 26 I would say, maybe. l?honestly, I don't even remember the exact dates, but I want to say four. Okay. And so, um, was this, uh, lknow he told you he was a police of?cer, and were?did you guys ever go on a date while he was, uh, on duty? No. Okay. Not at all. So, this was all when he was of f?duty, then? Of ?duty, yes. Okay. Um, so unfortunately, I hope that you cooperate, and 1 don't really want to get, um, too far in your personal life, but I have to ask some questions because as I explained, there is policy and procedure, so what we can and cannot do. And I just want to reiterate that it is a con?dential conversation that you and are having here. Um, but for my report, 1 need to make sure that 1 get the right details. Um, is there ever an instance where you saw him in uniform on duty? - There?well, like I mentioned, the one time?well, there was one time where 1 took him lunch. And he had mentioned, we had been on the phone, he said, "Hey, you know, I'm taking a small little break, taking a breather from out of the vehicle, and just thought I'd, you know," 'cause I had already texted him and he texted back, so, "taking a little break. Are you available to talk?" And I told him yeah, I'm available to talk on the phone. So, we spoke, and he had mentioned, "Oh you know, it's been a long night." And Itold him, "Oh, okay." Then he asked me to whatever, I got off from my 12?hour shift and it Sgt. John_E11gl_ish_((_3_21sejtq) Page 6 of26 was pretty late. So, we had mentioned that we hadn't both eaten. So, Iwas in the Chula Vista area and I had mentioned, "Would you like me to bring you something to eat?? English: That's nice. - And I had already eaten something from Jack in the Box, where I actually was in the area. I had eaten something off of like Terra Nova area. English: Okay. - So, Ihad already eaten Jack in the Box. And so, he's like, ?Oh, funny you mentioned that. I'm actually in this area.? So, I took him a cheeseburger, handed it to him. We started talking and? English: So, if I can interrupt you,- So, like, where exactly did he say to meet him at? - We didn?t plan to meet anywhere. He told me he was in that area. So, I decided to tell him, ?Okay, well, I'm in this area, too. So, cool.? English: Okay. Did?and so, you bought him?you said you bought him a hamburger and you took it to him? English: Okay. So, where did you end up meeting him at? - So, we ended up meeting, um, in Chula Vista. English: Okay. - And then, it was?I honestly don't know the area very well, so I just ended up going down that way because I work at?okay, I work for- English: Oh, okay. Sgt, lohn Page 7 of26 I - So, um, Itold him, Iwas like, ?Well, I don't know this area very wellEnglish: English: English: English: just cruising down the freeway.? - - the ?rst exit off of 8th Street. Exit 10. It?s right there, next to the - -. He?s like, oh, great. Just meet me there, you know. We?ll talk, whatever. After we were done talking, from there we ended up going up a hill, which I don't know what street it is. So, did he meet you at the Jack in the Box? No, we ended?he didn?t initially meet there. We ended up talking there and then he told me, ?Go up the hill.? Okay. And so, we were, like, all right, cool, whatever. We talked, and we ended up?we did, we kissed. And things got a little frivolous, and we had a sexual encounter. And that?s the truth. I?m not gonna sit there and lie about it ?cause that?s what happened. And I appreciate your honesty. And, and like I said, I'm sorry that I even have to know about your personal business, and I hope you can understand the position, uh, that I'm in, that I have to make sure I ?nd out what took place with our of?cer. So, um, the area that you guys ended up going to, it was in close proximity of what it sounded like you were telling me to the Terra Nova area. That?s, that?s what it felt like. ?Cause then my GPS, that?s what it said. It doesn?t even see that. It just said Jack in the Box, Terra Nova Plaza. So, I don'tknow if that's the area what it?s called. I don't know. Okay. I never lived in that area. So, I grew up in the southeast area. English: English: English: English: English: English: Sgt-Lhnlinglir?h (Cassatt) Page 8 of 26 Sure. And that?s on the way opposite other side. I understand. So, if I, if I could ask you this, can you describe the surroundings where you guys ended up, uh, going to? It was kind of, um? Was it a residential neighborhood? Yeah, kind of a quiet residential area. Okay. It was straight up a hill and it wasn't too, like, - or anything like that ever. It was just where?it was kind of close to a little area where there was a park where we just wanted to eat. And, ?cause we weren't gonna eat at the Jack in the Box. We didn?t initially think we were going to meet there. So, he just told me, ?Well, you know, there?s a street where you go up, and then there?s this park and we can meet there, and maybe we could just talk.? Okay. ?And we can just have lunch, cause that's, he called it his lunch because obviously his, his hours are totally different. Um, so, I was like, ?Well, that could be nice.? But I didn't think things were going to get that, you know, rambunctious and frivolous. And Iwant to apologize to the department because I should know he's on duty and he?s serving, and he was distracted and not doing his job. And I would hate for him to come make an error on a patient. That, that?s devastating. Well, we, we appreciate that. And, like I said, I'm not?we're not here to judge you. We understand that sometimes things happen. Um, but clearly English: English: English: Sgt. John Page 9 of26 there is, there are rules, uh, and policy what we can and cannot do while we?re on and off duty. So, um, I just want?l need to get into maybe some Speci?c questions. Um, I don't want to go way down into the weeds with it, but just to verify a few things, okay? So, the residential neighborhood, you guys got out of the car. Did, did he arrive ?rst, or was he there waiting for you, or did you wait for him, um, to come to, to the area? So, I had already gone up the hill and I obviously saw a cop car that said CVDP. So, I just kind of assumed that was him and just kind of followed. Okay. I couldn?t, you know, And I?and then, I wasn't following too close because I was like, well, what if that?s not even him? What if they're just doing like their rounds, or checking the neighborhood, or they got a call or whatever. So, I was kind of scoping out a park. I wasn't really scoping out the car. Sure. I was just looking for a park so that we can park. And I was hOping for, like, really bright lights so we can just be able to just eat outside in the hood of the car, you know, like chill and just talk, and, you know. But it was really quiet and really kind of stark. It was kind of? So, you ended up going up the hill, you said? There was a big hill right by where the Jack in the Box and, like I said, he pulled up once I told them where I was. He?s like, ?Well, I?m actually headed down the hill from - - Street, so I can pass by.? And I told him, ?Oh, okay.? But he, he left. So then, he?s like, ?Oh yeah, just pull up this hill,? and he took off. So, I was like, ?Wait, wait, I don't know this area. Wait for me.? So, English: English: English: English: English: English: ?gt. John English (Case#) Page 10 of26 he didn?t wait, so I kind of ?gured that was him ?cause all the cars look the same. So, I was like, all right, so I guess I?ll follow that car. So, did you guys park, like, on the street then? We did. We parked on the street where the cars were Visible. Okay. Like I said, we weren't hiding. There was no intention, no malice behind it. We were just hoping to just hang out. Sure. And then, um, did you guys end up getting out of your car? We did. And then, where did you go from there? We just hung out in front of the cars, like I mentioned. We just opened up our food?he opened up his food. I just had a soda left over from what I had ?cause Ihad already eaten. So, he ate his stuff. So, you guys?you guys ate something there. Yeah. And then you said, it kind of got, uh, I can't remember the words that you said, uh, something like rambunctious or something like that? We started talking and, you know, we had been dating and we hadn?t really, you know, had any type of encounters. And it would be kind of cool and be kind of, like, mysterious. And I said, ?Well, you know, I don?t know about all that.? And then, we were both really hesitant. We were both like, you know, that?s not fun. That?s kind of, like, embarrassing. No, that?s not cool. And then really, you know, and then we got in the open. So, it was a mistake. We weren?t thinking. We weren't, we weren?t, we weren?t thinking. We started English: ?gt. John English (Case#) Page 11 of 26 kissing out in the open, in the parking lot. And I'm pretty sure people saw us. I?m pretty sure. It?s kind of embarrassing. Um, so then, after we started kissing, then that's when, you know, we both decided, we were, like, well, you know. And, you know. You guys went to the next level. - Yeah. We just said well, what do you think? And then, we just decided to, to English: go up the street and then, like, walking. We walked. We didn't take a vehicle, my vehicle. We did not get into the cop car. We did not do anything. Sure. - We ended up walking and we went up the hill. English: English: English: Englishthe road? Was on a dirt road? Where, where was it at? - I don't know. It was really dark. It was up this little road. It was kind of a dirt road, I don't know. It was kind of, like, it was kind of paved and kind of not really paved. Kind of like asphalt, like, really messed-up kind of asphalt. Kind of a junky road? Yeah, like a really bad job asphalt. Right. And where did it lead to? Do you remember that? It wasn?t really all the way up because I, I?ve had some vandalism on??I have a brand-new car and I?ve had vandalism, so I?m very, like, paranoid about leaving my car in the dark. Sure. So, I was like, yeah, I think I?m okay with this decision. I think I'm okay with that. English: English: English: Sgtioh_nEnglish (Case#) Page 12 of 26 Okay. So, is this it got more rambunctious, then? Yeah, that's when we started to kiss more and then, I mean, yeah. Iwas in my scrubs and that's when I took off my jacket. And we just, yeah. Okay. So, let me back up just a bit. In the parking lot, you were just kissing heavily there. Yes, correct. Okay. There was no sexual, uh, touching happening? Nothing. No touching. No conduct. We were aware we were kissing, but we English: were not, we were not touching each other, no. Okay. Now, whose idea was it to have the, the sex. Whose idea was that? Was that yours or was it his? - It was more me just because Itold him well, you're always working and I?m English: English: English: working. What do you, like, what do you want to do? Like, you know, and he was like well, you know, I think, you know, I?m off on Tuesday and Wednesday. And he had told me his days off. And I said, ?Well, we?re already here. What do you think?? Okay. That?s why I?m apologizing because it?s an embarrassment to me - I understand. It was pretty passionate out there. So, um, is it safe to say that on the dirt road, did, did you guys have intercourse then? We did. Okay. And did anything else happen other than intercourse? Was there oral sex involved in that? - Yes, there was. English: English: English: English: English: English: English: English: John English (Case#) Page 13 of 26 Okay. Can you, can you, did he perform oral sex on you or did you perform oral sex on him? No. I did to him. You did it to him, okay. And then, you guys had, um, intercourse between the two of you. Uh?huh. Okay. Now, was this a consensual encounter with him? Yes, sir. Okay. At any time, did you feel like you were being restrained or not allowed to leave? No, sir. Okay. So, this was free and voluntary on your part? Yes, sir. Okay. Did he say anything that made you afraid? Oh, no. No. I actually stopped talking to him about, Iwant to say a month ago. The same thing, con?icting schedules, no time. And as you can tell, here we are because of those con?icting schedules. It led us to having sex in an open, residential area on duty with me in scrubs. Right. Iunderstand. Um, and, and, and I appreciate your just being very straightforward with me on this. Um, how many times has an encounter like this occurred with you and, and him in a uniform, a police uniform? Just this one time?that one time. Just the one. Yes, sir. English: English: English: English: English: English: English: English: ?gt. John English (Case#) Page 14 of 26 Okay. And, where did you guys, where did you guys?ifI could just digress a few?where did you, um, guys, where did you meet? Where did we meet, like, initially? Uh-huh. Like and begin to date? Uh-huh. On a dating website. A dating website. Do you remember what it was called? POF. What, what was it? That?s an abbreviation for it. It's called Plenty of Fish. Okay. So, POF. Plenty of Fish. Correct. Okay. And, that's just like a local singles kind of, uh, dating website? Correct. It is. It?s, uh, it?s locals. You register, you can upgrade and, and both our accounts were upgraded, so I felt secure, for some odd reason. I know it?s kind of illogical, but for some odd reason, I feel like if someone?s gonna pay for it, they're a little more serious. And that?s how we met. Okay. And, um, what happened directly after you guys had this sexual encounter with him in his uniform? What happened after that? Uh, we continued to talk. We continued to, you know?everything resumed as normal. It wasn?t anything, like, um, he showed remorse for it, for sure. He was a little, you know, after we had done that he was like, don't think we English: English: English: English: English: English: English: John Eng?sl?gasg?) Page 15 of 26 made the right choice.? And I, and was, honestly, I was livid for myself because 1 know better. And I'm a professional myself. Sure. Do~?so, you got kind of weak in the moment, then? Correct. 1 Okay. Now, were there any other times other than this that, that you, um, saw?l think you already answered this, but is there any other times that you saw him in uniform? No, it?s just that one time. And then, that?s, 1 think that?s it. I mean, was there another time? No. Okay. All right. And then, on your, on the other days that you had with him, did you guys ever do a sexual encounter out in public like this, as well? No, never. Never did? Okay. No. lhave my own place. It's just like I said, con?icting schedules. That?s how it is. Sure. No, I understand. I completely understand. Um, let me make sure I have any other questions here. Um. What did, what did he disclose to you originally about himself? He must have said that he was a police of f1cer, yes? He did. And he did lie about his name in the beginning. For the ?rst three months, he said his name was Mark. He said his name was Mark, okay. Right. Do you ?nd that is common on these dating websites? Sgt, John English (Case#) Page common with any type of law enforcement, any type of professional English: peOple. Yeah. - Um, I myself, my ex is a business owner. And when I ?rst started dating him English: English: - - but his name was - Oh, okay. - Fairly close and that's how, you know, they just, you know, they just feel safer that way, I'm assuming. Sure. Kind of not let you into his personal life and just giving you a name until he gets to know you kind of thing? - Correct. I mean, in, in all fairness, I mean, you have to have some sort of English: English: English: English: guard up. I mean, this world?s not safe anymore. And I understand that. Sure. Um, let me ask you this. Any issues, uh, with his behavior or anything that he may have done that raised an eyebrow on your end, where you go, I don?t know, that?s kind of strange behavior. No, sir. Nothing at all? No. Okay. I just want to know because I, I would like to verify some information, and this is confidential between you and I. I want to stress that. I know you have your own personal life and I'm, and I know that you're telling me quite a bit, uh, but I want to qualify some information. Are you married right now? Okay, so you?re not married. English: English: English: English: English: English: Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 17 of 26 I'm not married. Okay. Um, what did he tell you about his personal life? He just told me that he just wanted to date and settle down, and that's what he told me. Uh-huh. Did he tell you if he was dating, if he was married? How far did he get into that? Not too far into it. Um, he did tell me that, you know, he was looking to just settle. That's all he told me. But I told him I'm not ready for that. I'm pretty young and I?m building my career. And that?s the least of my worries right now. Sure. Absolutely. We didn?t really get too far. I mean, six months, honestly. And three of those months it was just talking very nonchalantly about stupid things, you know. Careers, dreams. The crap. Just getting to know him as a person kind of thing? Right. It?s empty content to me. It?s not really anything that?s gonna make it or break it, you know? Sure. And then, the three months had been dating were, you know, he?s very quiet, um. Uh, he?s a little closed off sometimes but, I mean, I just ?gured it's the career. It?s, uh?okay, tell your mama to use my, my debit card. It's in the wallet. Oh here. No, give it to her. It?s right here. So, that's the only thing that was, ?Cause I?m very expressive, as you can tell. I like to talk. Yes, you?re a very good conversationalist. Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 18 of26 - Uh, yeah. And he was very closed off in the beginning, and that's the only English: English: English: thing that was, like, oh, okay. I guess he's just really shy or just really closed off because he?s an of?cer. And being, um, very standof ?sh, which is understandable. Um, I just used that as an excuse, but, I mean, I don?t know. Is that what you?re questioning? I?m not sure. Yeah. Well, let me, let me ask you this question. When was the last time that you spoke with Of?cer Engley? And what speci?cally was said, do you remember? Uh, about a month ago, and I stopped talking to him. Okay. And what speci?cally was the exchange there, as far as your conversation? Um, it was more of, like, you know, like, why aren?t you texting me back? Like, what?s going on? And then, I was like well, ?rst of all, I'm very busy, and I haven't disclosed that, but I do have two children. I?m a single mother. Oh. English: Wow. That?s a busy life. - Yeah, it's very busy, and I don?t have time for, um, a young man who wants to talk 24/7. And I disclosed that. I'm very straightforward. I'm not a liar. I?m very honest, and Itell it like it is. And Itold him, I said, ?Um, Mike, you're not my priority. I told you that before and I will keep telling you that. If I do not answer my phone, I am either feeding my children past ?ve o'clock because I'm out of work, or I'm doing laundry, or I am trying to take a shower to relax, or I?m doing something. I?m not twiddling my thumbs. So therefore, English: English: English: English: English: English: English: Sgt. John Page 19 of 26 if 1 call you back a little later, it?s not gonna kill you, dude.? And he, and he didn?t like it. He was like, ?All right, then. Well, I guess this is it, right?? And I was like, ?Well, I don?t know. You tell me. Is this concluding it? You got anything else to say because at this point, you're the one that's forcing me to, like, move faster and there?s, there?s time, dude. Like, what's going on?? And he was like, don't know what to tell you-And I said, ?Well, I don't know what to tell you. So, at this point, you tell me what the deal is.? And I just hung up the phone and then told him, ?All right. Well, you enjoy yourself .. I wish you the best.? And 1 blocked him, and I didn't call him back. Okay. And did, uh, did you have any recent communications with him? Um, he did call me just, um, when was it. But I didn't answer because I knew it was him. Uh-huh. Did he leave you a voicemail? He left me a voicemail. What did he say? Asking, asking me to text him my number ?cause I guess he changed his number. Okay. So, I mean, other than that, I texted him my number and that was it. But you haven't had a physical conversation with him? No, no, no, none at all. Okay. Um, let me ask you this. Are, are you active in social media at all? No, I just, lhave an lnstagram. Okay. English: English: English: English: English: English: English: English: English: Female: English: Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 20 of 26 But that?s it. I mean, like I said, I'm very busy. I work a full-time job. My ex does not provide ?nancial aid. That?s, that?s rough, yeah. My heart goes out to you. Yeah. I just, I took care of my, I took care of business. I don't have time to ?aunt my life. I have time to take care of it. Right. Urn, is your Instagram a private or a public It?s private. It is private. Do you have, like, a user pro?le picture on there? Uh, I do. Youdo? I do. Okay. Um, I don?t want to invade into your personal life, but would you be opposed to giving me your lnstagram, Instagram pro?le picture? Urn, - user name. Okay. What is your user name? Well, I?ll have to go look at it. I?m loading my kids in the car real quick. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, please. I understand. I?m gonna mute you real quick so I can load them in. Uh-huh. She?s loading her kids in the car. -. Yeah. [long pause] The details she?s provided are spot on with what he?s saying. That?s good. Yeah. [long pause] .5. Sgt. John English (Qase#_) English: She sounds like a busy mom. She?s loading her kids in the car. [long pause] - Okay. Sorry about that. English: Hello again. Being a mom, being a mom is the hardest job ever. - It is. And it?s Mexican mothers that [break in audio]. English: Hello? Hats off to you. - Yeah. Thank you. English: So. - I got that information. English: Yes. - Let me know when you're ready. English: Yes, I'm ready. English: I kay, so- - - English: Uh?huh. - And? - Englism English: Okay. nd what is it,- English: Oh, that?s nice. Perfect. English: Okey doke. Page 21 01?26 Sgt. John EnglishjCaseff) Page 22 of 26 English: So, um, the last bit of information that, uh, and you've, you have been very helpful, and I so much appreciate that. Trust me. Um, one of the things I have to do is lhave to compile a report. And, as lwas explaining, uh, this, this report will get produced, um, and go through my chain of command, which is my lieutenant, and ultimately on my captain's desk for review. And what we have to do is determine whether or not Mr. Engley violated policy while he was on duty. And one of the things in order for us is that I would like to get your contact information for two?a couple reasons. One, in case I need to contact you again, two, in case there is a disciplinary process where, um, you know, somebody has a question as to do you exist, then we can produce, uh, contact information for you. It just shows tranSparency for the organization when completing a, a, an investigation. So, would you be willing to provide me some contact information? - Just like phone number and that?s it? English: Well, it would be?what I would be looking for is a few things. One, your full name, uh, your address and phone number, and then, also a date of birth for you. Can you give me that? - That?s fine. I mean, we?re not looking at, like, disclosure of, like, context or English: English: phone content? Are they going through my phone or any of that stuff, right? I would not. No, absolutely. That?s ?ne. I can give that to you. Okay. So, you, your first name is- Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 23 of 26 English: Okay. Your middle name is? English: Okay. English: Okay. English: - okay. English: Okay. Let me just go over here. And your current job, you said, is at- Hospital? English: Okay. Are you the one down here at the, the 805 and Palm? English: Oh. So, do you go depending on where they need you? - Correct. When they - you know, I go. English: Okay. So, medical assistant or LVN kind of thing? - 1 go across, usually we go LVN and MA. English: Congratulations to you. That?s a hard position to get, I know. - Thank English: English: English: Sgt. John English (Case Page 24 of 26 Um. So, you have my name, Sergeant John English, Chula Vista PD Prof essional Standards Unit. You have my phone number. If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call. Okay? Uh?huh. Um, once again, I want to do two things. One, I want to thank you for your cooperation. Uh, lknow, you know, we talked about some things and your private personal business, and I apologize that just needed to make sure for, for our department. So, I appreciate your willingness to cooperate with us. Um, and, and the second thing is, it will remain con?dential and privileged information, and when I'm done with report, just to reiterate, it goes in a file locked in a locked case behind a locked door. Perfect. And then just, I know you might not be able to disclose it, I mean, is he under question because of a marriage? Or, like, I mean, just because those questions have rised, I mean, I?m just curious because, I mean, he?s never mentioned anything of that nature, and he was just so quick to want to tell me, like, he wants to settle and be, like?you know. It just seems so odd. And just, I?m curious. Yeah. So, what, what I can share is this. Because it is a con?dential investigation, what I can say is this, that, um, the, the department is looking into an allegation of information that was brought to our attention. And so, in order for us, uh, by law, we have to investigate anything. In this case, behavior on duty, right? Any, any, any behavior on duty that does not conform to our policy and procedure. English: English: English: English: Sgt. John English (Case#) Page 25 of 26 All right. Okay? And that's about as far as 1 can really go into it, and 1 know you probably have 500 other questions, but just as the information that you're giving to me is con?dential, uh, the information the other way has to be, as well. Okay, understood. Yeah, and 1think, the, the other - for you, so you also have an understanding is, the department wants to make sure that he?s also doing a good job and upholding what it is that he's take an oath to do, and that's to protect and serve our community. Correct, right. You can understand that. So, uh, just?once again, just as much as your information is con?dential, it's con?dential on the other side as well. And, um, you know, I'm so very thankful that, uh, you know, one, what you do for a living and helping people out, you know, in the medical industry, but as applies to this investigation, your willingness to cooperate and help me out. Well, thank you, sir, for your professionalism. I appreciate it. And nothing less than professional, we will always be. And so, you have our number, and feel free to call me if you have any questions, okay? - Will do. Thank you. English: English: Thank you, - Have a great night. Uh-huh, bye bye. All right. Take care. Goodbye. Sgt, John English (Case#) Page 26 0f26 Transcribed by: _Ubiqus Reporting AmmEnglish: English: English: English: English: Egg John ?ngl?hjgase?) Page 1 of 3 A Are you there? I?m here. All right. Thanks,- Uh-huh. Um, I just have a couple qualifying questions as to, um, my conversation when I interviewed you on the phone the other night. Sure. Um, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. In, in regards to our conversation regarding Michael Engley [phonetic], um, you had told me?the question I think I asked you was, you know, when was the last time that you had spoken to him.? And you had indicated that he had reached out to you, 1 think you said via phone call and left a voicemail message. Was it a phone call that he made or was it something through social media did he contact you? Uh, social media, but that was, but it was like a, a phone call. Imean, it?s like a phone call through, it?s, Imean, it?s Snapchat or something like that, and 1 don't use it, um? Oh, Okay. - - to communicate because it was, I actually, like I said, all this stuff - Yeah, that, that was how he sent me, he called me because remember, I had mentioned to you that once I, I stopped talking to him, um, he didn't English: English: English: English: English: English: Page 2 0f 3 understand, like right now I?m cooking dinner. He didn?t understand mom duties. Right. Um, so I told him he was not my priority. Um, and, um, 1 blocked him just so I could make that very clear. Sure. So, I think he kind of got the point. But Since I had already blocked him, um, I think he was just trying to get a hold of me, so he called me and he said, you know, my number is the same. Please call me. Um, you know, we need to talk. We need to make sure we can be friends. And I?m like no, I don?t have time to be friends. Sure. Do you remember what date that was? Honestly, like I said, I didn?t - - on Snapchat because I, I can?t take - -. But I know We haven't been talking for about a month or so. So, it was maybe about, oh, I want to say, honestly, it was maybe two weeks maybe. Honestly, my timeframe. Sure. Just your best guestimate. About two weeks? I want to say, if anything, a little more over two weeks. Okay. Since I?ve been just so busy with life. I mean, I didn?t think to, you know, reach out to him. I just gave him my number and I said, ?It?s the same number. I just have you blocked. So, if you need to communicate with me, you can send me stuff through Snapchat.? Right, right. 12 13 14 15 Sgt. John Eng1i_sh. (Case#) Page 3 of3 - Urn, and then, we just kept it at that. And 1 think 1 was pretty clear with my intention. English: Yeah, okay. And has he contacted you since? - No, nothing. English: Okay. Well, that's, uh, that's all lhad to do is qualify that one piece in my investigation. 1 really appreciate, uh, your willingness to, uh, talk with me. - Sure. English: I appreciate it and I wish you all the best. - Oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that, Sergeant English. Have a great night. English: All right. You too. - Thank you. English: Bye now. Transcribed by:? Ubiqus Reporting