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STATEMENT CONDUCTED BY: DETECTIVE MARK MYERS #292
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION
LAS CRUCES POLICE DEPARTMENT

DATE:

TIME:

PLACE:

STATEMENT OF: GABRIEL AVILA

MYERS: HOW ARE YOU DOING, 

MADRID: IT 

MYERS: HOW YOU DOING, MAN. MY NAME IS MARK MYERS. I WORK WITH
THE CITY POLICE HERE IN LAS CRUCES. THIS IS RICKY MADRID.

MADRID: HEY, HOW YOU 

MYERS: HOW YOU DOING, HAVE A SEAT. 80 HOW ARE YOU 

AVILA: UM THINGS (INAUDIBLE) ALL THESE TRANSPORTS.

MYERS: YEAH.

AVILA: ALL THESE TRANSPORTS. CONFUSED. I KNOW. 
ALRIGHT THOUGH.

MYERS: YOU OKAY, WELL YOUR COME UP IN AN
INVESTIGATION THAT BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE
NOW. AND WE WANTED TO CHAT WITH YOU AND INTRODUCE
OURSELVES TO YOU AND KIND OF GET YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY,
IF OKAY WITH YOU.

AVILA: YEAH.

MYERS: OKAY, 

AVILA: SO YOU GUYS ARE NOT 

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AVILA:

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AVILA:

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AVILA:

OKAY, AND DID YOU 
YEAH.

WHO DID YOU WORK 
RAWSON BUILDERS SONS.

OKAY, AND DO YOU REMEMBER THE ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER
TO THAT OR WHERE IT WAS 

OFF KNOW THE CORNERS IS 14TH STREET AND HADLEY.

--AND DID YOU HAVE A BOSS OR A SUPERVISOR OR SOMEBODY


YEAH I THINK THEY WORK THERE NO MORE. BUT 

.BUD CAMPBELL-

AND HOW LONG DID YOU WORK FOR 
ABOUT FOUR YEARS. 

AND WHAT DID YOU DO FOR 

WELD. 

AND LIKE SAID, BEEN CONDUCTING THIS
INVESTIGATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. COME A LONG
AWAY WITH IT. GOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE. AND LIKE TO

TALK TO YOU ABOUT ALL THAT GET YOUR SIDE 
THE STORY, IF WILLING TO TALK WITH US.

I KNOW. WHAT INVESTIGATION (INAUDIBLE)
WELL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO YOU, MAN. I JUST NEED 

SURE.

--TO SEE IF WILLING TO TALK TO US AND KIND OF GO
OVER IT. WHEN THEY ARRESTED YOU THE LAST TIME, DID
THEY GO OVER YOUR MIRANDA WARNING WITH 

WASTES 

(INAUDIBLE)

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MYERS:

AVI LA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVI LA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

A LITTLE WELL I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THEM WITH YOU.
REFRESH YOUR MEMORY A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT 

SURE.

OKAY BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE IS. .I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
MISS (INAUDIBLE) DO YOU HAVE THAT OTHER (INAUDIBLE) I
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT. ALRIGHT, BUWDDY SO
BASICALLY WHAT YOUR MIRANDA WARNING SAYS IS THAT YOU
OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. ANYTHING YOU
SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK TO A LAWYER AND HAVE HIM
PRESENT WITH YOU WHILE BEING QUESTIONED. IF YOU
CANNOT AFFORD TO HIRE A LAWYER, ONE WILL BE APPOINTED TO
REPRESENT YOU BEFORE ANY QUESTIONING, IF YOU WISH. YOU
CAN DECIDE AT ANY TIME TO EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS AND NOT
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS (INAUDIBLE). DO YOU UNDERSTAND
EACH OF THESE RIGHTS AS EXPLAINED THEM TO 

(NO ANSWER HEARD) 
AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN. MIND, DO YOU WANT TO TELL US.

WELL I ANSWER (INAUDIBLE) 

- YEAH, RIGHT AND WHAT SAYING. I MEAN IF YOU WANT

TO TALK TO US NOW, YOU CAN STOP TALKING TO US AT ANY TIME.
IS THAT 




JUST ONE QUESTION, AM I BEING 
(INAUDIBLE)

NO, NOW FOR PURPOSES IN THIS
INVESTIGATION, OBVIOUSLY IN PRISON SO YOU


(INAUDIBLE)

 

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MYERS: DOING FINE. BUT RIGHT NOW FOR OUR PURPOSES,

NOT UNDER 
AVILA: OR FACING ANY CHARGES 
MYERS: NOT NOT UNDER ARREST AT THIS TIME. WHEN

WE CONCLUDE THIS WE CONCLUDE TODAY,
NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY OKAY THE ARREST
WARRANT. YOU KNOW WHAT GONNA TALK.
GONNA SEE WHAT YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, HOW THAT
FITS IN TO OUR INVESTIGATION. AND THEN ANY CHARGING
DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE MADE MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE
ROAD.

AVILA: --I UNDERSTAND NOW BUT YEAH.

MYERS: WELL TELL ME WHAT YOU I WANT TO MAKE
IT CLEAR FOR YOU, MAN. I WANT YOU TO THINK 

TRYING TO RAILROAD 
AVILA: WHAT IS THIS INVESTIGATION 
MYERS: GET TO THAT. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOT . .
ARRESTING YOU ON NEW CHARGES FOR ANYTHING 

AVILA: YEAH (INAUDIBLE - MUMBLING)

MYERS: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE
PROCESS IS GOING. GONNA LAY OUT WHAT THE
INVESTIGATIONS ABOUT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

CLEAR 

AVI LA: YEAH--

MYERS: --ON YOUR MIRANDA WARNING. WHAT DOING. HOW 
GONNA GO ABOUT IT AND EXPLAIN TO YOU THE
INVESTIGATION.

AVILA: 

 

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MYERS:

AVI LA: 
MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

ALRIGHT, NOW I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT YOUR YOU GOT IN TROUBLE FOR IN
NOVEMBER. LIKE I SAID IT WAS (INAUDIBLE)

YEAH.

OKAY, AND I CAN RELATE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT
YOU WERE GOING THROUGH AT THAT TIME.
THAT YOU TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND 
GONNA LET YOU KNOW THAT NOT HEAR TO JUDGE YOU OR
PASS JUDGMENT ON YOU OR CONDEMN YOU FOR ANYTHING. IF
WE BELIEVE THAT TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY
OR THAT THINGS THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH AND
PROBLEMS PEOPLE HAVE, THAT LEAD THEM IN CERTAIN
DIRECTIONS, WE PROBABLY EVEN BE HERE TALKING TO
YOU. WE PROBABLY CARE WHAT YOUR SIDE OF THE
STORY WAS, WE BOTH HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 
LONG PERIOD OF TIME. BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
BEEN DOING IT FOR OVER 15 YEARS. TALKED TO ALL
SORTS OF TYPE OF PEOPLE OVER ALL SORTS OF TYPES OF -
THINGS. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW,
MAN TO MAN THAT NOT JUDGING YOU FOR ANYTHING YOU MAY
HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. NOT YOU. NOT
HERE TO JUST THROW THE BOOK AT YOU. - AND
NOT GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET HELP OR 
TREATED FAIRLY, YOU UNDERSTAND 

UH-HUH.

OKAY, NOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT LOOKING INTO IS A
HOMICIDE THAT OCCURRED IN AUGUST OF 2003. ABOUT TWO AND
A HALF MONTHS BEFORE YOU GOT IN TROUBLE FOR WHAT 
IN HERE FOR NOW. 

(.INAUDIBLE)

I THINK PROBABLY WE BOTH KNOW SITTING HERE TODAY
THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH 
THAT WHY HERE, MAN. ALL 
TRYING TO DO IS GET SIDE OF THE STORY. I
MEAN WE COULD SEE BOOKS FULL OF INFORMATION
EVIDENCE. INDISPUTABLE PHYSICAL
EVIDENCE THAT AT LEAST TELLS US YOU HAD SOME PART TO PLAY
IN THIS HOMICIDE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU,

ERITREA 

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AVILA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVILA:

MYERS:

AVI LA:

MYERS:

AVKA:

MYERS:



I WILL TELL YOU THIS TOO, AT THIS POINT 
(INAUDIBLE) LIKE I SAID, I COME HEREWITH AN ARREST
WARRANT. I COME HERE YOU. I 
COME HERE THINKING I KNOW WHO YOU ARE ANYTHING. I
WILL TELL YOU LOOKED INTO YOUR BACKGROUND A LITTLE
BIT. I HAVE MY OPINIONS OF WHAT KIND OF PERSON
YOU ARE AND SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. NOT GONNA HIDE
THAT FROM YOU. I WILL TELL YOU THROUGHOUT THIS
PROCESS NOW, IT IS VERY THINGS THAT WE
CAN TAKE BACK TO THE DISTRICT OFFICE AND OUR
BOSSES FROM THIS. IS A SENSE OF ACCEPTANCE, OF
RESPONSIBILITY ON YOUR PART. AND A SENSE OF REMORSE.
WHICH I THINK WE CAN GET TO PRETTY SOON. BECAUSE I 
THINK THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT IS SOME KIND OF
MONSTER OF SOME KIND OF (INAUDIBLE). I HAVE MY REASONS
WHY THINGS HAPPENED THE WAY THEY DID. BUT I JUST WANT
YOU TO REMEMBER THAT THIS POINT. THE 
CONSEQUENCES ARE ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW. ANYWHERE
ALONG THE GAMUT FROM NOT-SO-SERIOUS TO PROBABLY THE

WORST THING YOU CAN THINK OF. AND WE NEED, BASED ON
YOUR LEVEL OF COOPERATION. BASED ON YOUR LEVEL OF

ACCEPTANCE AND RESPONSIBILITY WE RE GONNA IN 
TO THAT (INAUDIBLE). SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BEAR THAT IN MIND
WHEN. .AS RE TALKING. 

UH-HUM.
OKAY, WERE YOU AROUND IN AUGUST OF ?03?
HERE IN 

YEAH, IN CRUCES.

I WAS.

OKAY, WERE YOU STILL LIVING AT THAT ADDRESS ON 
EXACTLY.

OKAY, THINK PROBABLY, BUT I WANT TO HEAR IT FROM You,

WAS MEAN WAS THERE ANY MAJOR
STRESSES OR ANYTHING GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE AT THAT 

NAIR TEN

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AVILA: I WAS GETTING ALONG WITH MY WIFE, YEAH YEAH, JUST A
REGULAR, TYPICAL PROBLEMS COUPLES FACES I GUESS.

MYERS: RIGHT. I REMEMBER 

AVILA: IT HAPPENED (INAUDIBLE)
MYERS: WRIGHT. OKAY, HOW WAS WORK AT THAT 
AVILA: IT WAS GOOD. I WAS BEING PROMOTED AND IT WAS GOOD.

MYERS: OKAY, ANY OTHER KIND OF MAJOR STRESSORS GOING ON WITH
ANYTHING THAT WAS CAUSING YOU ANY KIND 

AVILA: THE REASON I IMMIGRATION THING. THAT
WAS ABOUT IT.
MYERS: WAS THAT PRE I I DISTRESSING FOR 

AVILA: - WELL I HAD BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND I BEEN 
.ABLE TO SEE MY FAMILY BUT IT LIKE IF IT WAS PLAYING A
BIG PART OF MY LIFE. YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN YOU NEED TO DO
SOMETHING YOU KNOW .

- MADRID: . YOU SAY IMMIGRATION (INAUDIBLE) JUST SO I CAN
. UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU WERE TRYING TO GET RESIDENT ALIEN

AVILA: YES, SIR.
MADRID: OKAY, AND THERE WAS I GUESS SOME 
AVILA: YEAH, WERE DENYING ME 
MADRID: (INAUDIBLE)

MYERS: AND HOW ABOUT FRIENDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. DID YOU HAVE
ANY REALLY CLOSE FRIENDS THAT YOU HUNG OUT WITH 

AVILA: WELL I HAD ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS RIGO MANCHA. HE
LIVES AT 1800 BROMILOW I THINK.

METER SEW

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MYERS: 
AVILA: YEAH. I HUNG OUT WITH HIM, YOU KNOW. SOMETIMES GO

RUN AROUND AND WE WENT FISHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
(INAUDIBLE) HE USED TO WORK ALSO WHERE I USED TO WORK.

MADRID: PREI I CLOSE FRIENDS OF 
AVILA: YEAH.

MADRID: YOU DID YOU MEET HIM THERE AT THAT WORK OR DID
YOU KNOW HIM 

AVILA: I MET MET HIM AT WORK. HE KNEW MY WIFE
BEFORE I MET HIM 

MYERS: AND HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY YOU KNEW OUT

WITH 

AVILA: ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

MYERS: OKAY, HAS HE KEPT IN TOUCH WITH YOU WHILE BEEN
- 

AVILA: NAH, NOT A LOT. NO. FELL FIRST AND I WAS IN

3. - COUNTY, I A COUPLE OF TIMES I GOT OUT
ON BOND AND I WENT ON THE RUN. AND THEN HAD
(INAUDIBLE). TALKED TO HIM (INAUDIBLE).

MYERS: NOW ABOUT THAT TIME, WHILE YOU WERE OUT AND ABOUT, TRY
AND EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. YOU WERE WERE
YOU 

AVILA: I GOT ARRESTED ON NOVEMBER, RIGHT
AROUND NOVEMBER. 

MYERS: IS THAT ?04 OR ?03?

AVILA: 

MYERS: OKAY.

AVILA: AND THEN I GOT OUT LIKE A WEEK AFTER ON BOND. AND THEN 
WENT TO COURT AND ALL THAT. IN EARLY 2004, I 

REMEMBER THE MONTH EXACTLY BUT OR SOMETHING
AND THEN I WAS FOUND GUILTY. AND THEN I GOT OUT AND

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AVILA:

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MYERS:

AVILA:

2316587 GABRIEL AVILA (STATEOZQ)

I WAS TRIPPING. LIKE THESE
(INAUDIBLE) IN THE FIRST TRIAL AND THEN I DECIDED I WAS GONNA
RUN. TO MEXICO.

OKAY, SO YOU WERE ARRESTED WERE YOU DRIVING
BACK THEN. . .BACK AT THAT 

WHEN I WAS 

YEAH.

A LITTLE PICKUP, AN ?84.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE MAKE OF 



NOW IN DECEMBER I THINK YOU SWITCHED OUT THE RIMS, 

YEAH, I BOUGHT TIRES AND I BOUGHT RIMS
FOR IT. AND I GOT (INAUDIBLE) .

YEAH DO YOU REMEMBERIWHAT KIND OF TIRES WERE ON THAT
BEFORE YOU SWITCHED THEM 

NAH, (INAUDIBLE). 

THE ONE (INAUDIBLE) THE FIRST TIME you HAD
EVER DONE ANYTHING WITH THE 

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH I DID BECAUSE I ACTUALLY
DURING THAT PROCESS IN NOVEMBER AND THE TRIAL, I 
WENT TO JUAREZ. I WENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT I 
PLANNING TO GO A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I WAS PLANNING TO JUST
GO AND STAY OVER THERE. SO I SAID WELL I MIGHT AS WELL JUST
FIX UP THE TRUCK. AND I ALMOST GOT IT STOLEN (GIGGLES)

IS ALMOST GOT IT 

YEAH AND THENI TALKED TO MY LAWYER AND SO WE GOTTA
COME BACK, MAKING THINGS WORSE. SO I DID COME
BACK.

OKAY, WHO REPRESENTED 

JOSE ARRIETA.

WERE 

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231 6587 GABRIEL AVILA (STATEOZQ)

ALRIGHT, NOW TALK ABOUT MORE OF OUR
INVESTIGATION. AND SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN KATIE
SEPICH. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT 



NOT AT 

(NO ANSWER HEARD)

OKAY, DID YOU EVER KNOW A GIRL NAMED KATIE 

NO.

OKAY, DID YOU EVER HANG OUT OR EAT VERY MUCH 
EL SOMBRERO 

I NEVER EATEN THERE MY WIFE WANTED TO GO EAT THERE BUT
WE NEVER DID 

OKAY, WHY 

I (INAUDIBLE)

YEAH.

(GIGGLES)

OKAY, NOW ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE AT 

WHAT IS EXACTLY THE 

WELL THE CASE. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT IT IN THE DID YOU
KNOW THAT SHE HAD BEEN DID YOU KNOW ANYTHING
THAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT 

WELL I HEARD SOMEBODY GOT KILLED BACK THEN. I KNOW.
I KEEP, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THE MEDIA OR PAPERS OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO JUST GONNA ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY, I
MEAN DID YOU EVER HARM ANYBODY IN AUGUST OF ?03?

NO, SIR. -
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ON YOUR PART BUT I THINK IF YOU GET THAT OFF YOUR CHEST,
YOU. .I MEAN GONNA MAKE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE IN THE
WAY YOU FEEL AND IN WHO YOU SEE IN THE MIRROR EVERY DAY
YOU WAKE UP.

NOT GONNA GO AWAY. NO MATTER WHAT, NOT GONNA
AWAY. WHY SAYING, YOUR
CHANCE, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS OFF YOUR CHEST.
(SIGHS) (INAUDIBLE) ABOUT THE WHOLE THING, YOU 
JUST TELL US THE TRUTH. JUST TELL US THE 

--I MEAN YOU GUYS SAYING YOU GUYS HAVE HARD EVIDENCE AND
INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE--

WHY I SAY AT THE BASIC 

--WE CAN PUT YOU GUYS TOGETHER



AND--
ALREADY ALREADY DEEP IN TROUBLE, YOU

AND ANYTHING I SAY AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT




GETS ME INTO DEEPER AND DEEPER AND DEEPER IN
TROUBLE.

WHY I SAY GONNA TAKE A LEVEL OF
TRUST ON YOU. I MEAN HERE TO MAN TALKING
TO YOU. TELLING YOU, WE NEED TO BE HERE. AND I BET
THE OFFICE WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT WE HERE.
BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD COULD PAINT
WHATEVER PICTURE THEY WANTED ON KNOW WHAT 
I MEAN THINK ABOUT IT. IT MAKES MEAN IF WE
HAVE YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, BUT WE GOT ALL THIS
GREAT EVIDENCE, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH PAINT ANY PICTURE
THEY WANT. THE ONLY WAY WE GET MEAN AND 
SEE. I MEAN THE ONLY WAY YOU GET YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY

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2316587 GABRIEL AVILA (STATEOZQ)

NO, YOU KNOW YOU WERE THERE.

I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW. BUT I NEED SOME
ADVICE, YOU KNOW. I GONNA BE TALKING
AND GET MYSELF INTO DEEPER TROUBLE FOR NO REASON--


I IT.

MEAN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. YOU
GOTTA LOOK AT IT LIKE KEEPING YOURSELF OUT OF
DEEPER TROUBLE. AND I 

WHAT WHAT I FEEL IN THIS CASE. THIS IS
WHAT HERE. I STARTED SAYING STUPID 
OUT OF MY LIKE FANTASY THINKING AND 
THEY USED AGAINST ME IN COURT, YOU KNOW.

TELLING YOU RIGHT Now, NOT GONNA MEAN

THESE ARE YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU KNOW WHAT 

ONLY GONNA USE YOUR OWN NOT GONNA USE 
WHAT YOU WERE THINKING AGAINST YOU. NOT GONNA USE

- . ANY OF THAT STUFF. I MEAN HERE TO GIVE YOU AN

OPPORTUNITY TO LET US HEAR YOUR SIDE OF HEAR THE
TRUTH. YOU KNOW WHAT NOT TRYING
I SAID MEAN LIKE-I SAID, WE NEED TO BE

HERE. 


YOU KNOW, son-

KILL NOBODY.

WELL THEN TELL us WHAT HAPPENED. -

(CLEARS THROAT)

LOOK, MAN, TELLING LIVED WITH THIS FOR THE
LAST THREE YEARS, YOU GET THIS OFF YOUR CHEST,
GONNA FEEL BETTER. YOU MAY POINT US IN A DIFFERENT
DIRECTION WHERE WE CAN EVEN HELP YOU MORE THAN JUST
GETTING YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY OUT THERE. BUT, I MEAN, YOU
JUST GOTTA TELL US THE TRUTH. JUST TELL US WHAT HAPPENED
THAT NIGHT. BECAUSE GONNA TELL YOU, I MEAN GOT



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WELL IF I TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
AND HOW IT HAPPENED, I IS GONNA BE PUBLICIZED.

I GONNA BE PUBLICIZED IRREGARDLESS.

RIGHT.

SO IF SOMETHING GOES PUBLIC, YOU WANT YOUR WORDS
TO BE PART OF YOU WANT--

WHAT MY 
SIDE OF THE STORY TO BE PART--

MY POINT IS GOING TO, ALRIGHT. I YOU SAID
NOT LIKE A MURDERER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SAYING EVERYTHING IS LINKING ME INTO
IT, EXPERIENCED THAT ALREADY, YOU KNOW.
ALL GONNA GO AGAINST ME.

NECESSARILY. I KNOW MEAN LIKE I
SAID I KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED BUT AT.. .WHEN
YOU (INAUDIBLE) THE SYSTEM THE FIRST TIME, YOU WERE AT A
MUCH LOWER LEVEL MEAN I CRITICIZING
ANYBODY, YOU WERE JUST AT A LOWER LEVEL. YOU HAD

DIFFERENT DETECTIVES. DIFFERENT LESS 

I KNOW. WHAT SCARES ME.



WHAT SHE WAS LIKE A SLOW, LOW LEVEL
AND I GOT SO SCREWED UP.

UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT SAYING IS SO
MUCH MORE ATTENTION TO GET THIS THING RIGHT THIS TIME.
BECAUSE THE CONSEQUENCES JUST
DIFFERENT. AND SO WE WANT TO TAKE EVERY STEP WE CAN TO
MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET SCREWED UP THIS TIME. BUT
THINGS HAPPEN FAIRLY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO I
MEAN NOT I SAID, THAT WERE THE CASE,
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DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE GOT A WARRANT SERVED BY A
MARSHAL SAYING HEY LOOK, RECLASSIFY THIS GUY. 
GONNA CHARGE HIM WITH MURDER AND THIS IS WHAT 
CHARGED WITH. TAKING THE EXTRA 

WELL SEE 

MAKE SURE 

MI EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE GUY.
WELL TELL US WHAT YOU 
FROM THE BEGINNING, TELL US HOW 

I EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE GUY AND NOT SAYING
TRYING TO (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE THIS IS
MY LIFE ON THE LINE.



AND WHY IMPORTANT. START FROM THE BEGINNING.

TAKE US THROUGH WHAT HAPPENED TO THE VERY END AND THEN
GO FROM THERE. TAKE THE NEXT STEP.

SO HARD.

I KNOW HARD. MAN. BUT TELLING LONG 
MANY 40 YEARS BETWEEN US BEEN
DOING 

AND 
GONNA FEEL BETTER--

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IT IS.

WHY I SOON SOON AS IT BECOMES
PUBLICIZED, GONNA THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS
GONNA TRY AND KILL ME.

I GO THAT FAR. I 

WELL--

MEAN BEEN AROUND THE PRISON
SYSTEM AS LONG AS--

YOU NEVER LIVED IN HERE.

NEVER LIVED IN HERE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I
HAVE TALKED TO, .I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH
PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPENT, YOU KNOW, 40, 50, 60 YEARS IN HERE.
AND IF PUBLICIZED AND YOU DO IT, WELL 
KNOW JUST WE T. .WE GOTTA CROSS THAT BRIDGE. HOW
RE GONNA. .HOW RE GONNA COME TO THAT, WHEN WE
GET. .YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SPECULATE. .YOU
GUESS HOW THINGS ARE GONNA TURN 

BUT--
HERE Now. I MEAN LIVING IT.


SO--

BECAUSE IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY THAT TRIED
RAPE SOMEBODY LIKE A LITTLE KID, OH KNOW YOU 
EVEN COME TO 

BUT THIS A LITTLE KID.

--I KNOW. MEAN WHAT SAYING SHE WAS
KNOW, SHE WAS GOOD, SHE WAS 


WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT STORY DO YOU WANT
TO BE THE OR THROWING THE
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YEAH, MEAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED. HOW
IT HAPPENED, IF I GET SOME GUARANTEE GONNA BE SAVED IN
HERE.

OKAY, WELL AS SOON AS WE GET DONE, I WILL HAVE THE
ASSOCIATE WARDEN COME IN AND EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW 
KEEP KEEP YOU SAFE.



WOULD THAT GET THE WARDEN AND ASSOCIATE WARDEN


I MEAN BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. I KNOW I CAN KEEP
YOU SAFE. AND EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS TO YOU.
EITHER WAY, I MEAN WE HAVE TO DO THAT EITHER WAY, WHETHER
YOU TALK TO US OR NOT. WE GOT TO HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE SAFE. AND I GIVE YOU MY
WORD . .WE WILL DO THAT.

LET ME ASK YOU RIGHT NOW, THEY KNOW WHY 
HERE. THEY KNOW WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU. THEY HAVE
ANY IDEA WHY HERE TALKING TO YOU.

I BET THEY KNOW.

NO, THEY 

BUT YOU GOT TO PUT A LITTLE FAITH LITTLE TRUST IN US WE WILL GET YOU THROUGH
THIS. AND WE WILL MAKE SURE 

WELL MAN.

I KNOW HARD, MAN. BUT OPEN UP AND 
SEE THAT GONNA WORK OUT.

YOU SEE MEAN I TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED
AND HOW KNOW THE 

NAME. I MEAN I MIGHT KNOW LITTLE, YOU KNOW, OF
WHAT I REMEMBER HOW HE LOOKED LIKE.

OKAY.
YOU KNOW AND WHAT HE WAS DRIVING. BUT ABOUT IT.

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BY THIS GUY.
OKAY, 
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KIND OF COMPLICATEDTELL YOU THAT WE WILL KEEP THEM SAFE.
UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW, I BE IN A POSITION
TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT MEASURES GONNA TAKE.
BUT I GIVE YOU MY WORD, YOUR FAMILY WILL BE PROTECTED AND
BE SAFE.

YOU GOTTA TRUST US. THAT 8 THE BOTTOM LINE I KNOW IT
MIGHT BE HARD FOR YOU BUT YOU HAVE TO TRUST US THAT
RE GONNA DO THAT FOR YOU.

(INAUDIBLE - MUMBLING) WELL YOU CAN WRITE IT DOWN
.THAT .I EVEN REMEMBER WHEN IT
.WHAT DAY IT WAS-- 

TELL USAND THEN ASK YOU SOME SPECIFIC

QUESTIONS. JUST GO THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

DAY MY WIFE WENT. LIKE A DAY.
BEFORE. SHE WENT TO DEMING. SHE WENT TO DEMING TO VISIT
HER PARENTS. AND I STAYED HERE IN LAS CRUCES. THE REASON
WHY IS BECAUSE MY WORK PERMIT HAD EXPIRED AND I 
CROSS AT THAT CHECKPOINT.

OKAY.
ALRIGHT. i CROSS THE CHECKPOINT SO SHE SAID
SHE LL. GO BY HERSELF AND THEN LL COME BACK.

AND. AND (INAUDIBLE) I WAS STILL LEGALLY HER, THE ONLY
THING IS THAT 

YEAH.
RENEWING MY WORK PERMIT AND DENIED (INAUDIBLE)

ON MY RESIDENTS. m?ngEB $3934

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SO I STAYED HERE. I WENT TO WORK. CAME BACK. SATURDAY, I
WAS HOME ALL DAY. I REMEMBER I WAS WORKING IN
THE BACK YARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND
I HAD DECIDED GO TO CENTRAL
STATION AND MET THIS GUY THERE (INAUDIBLE) AND HE
OFFERED ME SOME COKE TO SNORT. SO WE WENT
TO THE BATHROOM AND WE DID OUR THING. AND HE TOLD ME,
WE CAN GET SOME AND I TOLD HIM GONNA
STAY HERE. GONNA WAIT UNTIL ALL DONE AND
EVERYTHING. AND THEN GO AND THEN 
INSISTED. I WAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE DRINKING A FEW BEERS
AND I SAID ALRIGHT WELL AND I WAS
FOLLOWING HIM AND HE HAD A IT WAS A
SILVER MUSTANG. I KNOW THE LICENSE PLATE. 
FOLLOWING HIM ALL THE WAY TO MOUNTAIN VIEW HOSPITAL. AND
IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS MAKING THE TURN TO
ROADRUNNER I, YOU KNOW, I PUT THE-HIGH LIGHTS AND I TOLD
HIM WELL WHERE ARE WE YOU KNOW, ALREADY
PASSED MY HOUSE. I TOLD HIM, THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE
AND LIKE NO A JUST RIGHT
ALRIGHT, SO I KEEP FOLLOWING HIM AND 
REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE HE STOPPED AND I STOPPED RIGHT
BEHIND HIM AND HE SAID HOLD I SAID SO I

. LEANED ON MY SEAT AND I WAS BUMPING TO THE RADIO.
. AND WENT IN AND HE WENT AND WHEN I TOLD

HIM LIKE I HAVE IT HERE.
HOLD ON. JUST I SAID (INAUDIBLE) WAS
ABOUT TO GO AND HE TELLS ME GO. GO. GO.
YOU KNOW, BRING SOME.. .SOME PEOPLE. HAVE A
PARTY. YOU KNOW, CHILL. LET ME JUST GO GET
I SAID SEE I NEVER PARTIED MUCH
BEFORE (INAUDIBLE) I MET MY WIFE IN JUAREZ. YOU KNOW, 
GO TO THE CLUB AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I NEVER
LIKE A HARD PARTIER OR NOTHING. SO ANYWAYS, I TELL HIM
BRO. SURE, YOU KNOW, GONNA
BRING SOME MORE PEOPLE WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. 
GONNA BRING TO SNORT. AND HE WENT. HE
GOT IN HIS CAR AND TOOK OFF. AND CAME BACK WITH THIS GIRL.
AND WAS WASTED WASTED. AND (INAUDIBLE)
FOR, ME BUT I MEAN I, YOU TOLD ME 
YOU KNOW LIKE, I SAID UP, YOU GOT AND 
LIKE THE DASHBOARD
IN HIS CAR. WE SNORTED. AND I GO A PRETTY



 

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OKAY, DID HE HAVE SEX WITH 
NO, HE 



HE 

WELL WHY WOULD HE BE WORRIED ABOUT. . .WHY WOULD HE
WANT TO KILL 

I KNOW.
NOTHING LINKING HIM TO HER.
I KNOW. I FREAKED OUT 

OH, I UNDERSTAND. HOW WASTED WOULD YOU SAY SHE 
WAS SHE TOTALLY 


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BUT SHE FIGHTING OR--
SHE FIGHTING WITH ME.

DOING GOOD, MAN. DOING GOOD. 
GONNA TAKE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT TO HOW WE TALKED ABOUT
ACCEPTANCE AND RESPONSIBILITY 

I KNEW SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING BEFORE. I 
KNOW. IWAS SCARED.

I UNDERSTAND. I ALSO KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN
PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT RIGHT OR BAD OR SOMETHING,
THEY FEEL A LITTLE GUILTY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO
ADMIT TO THEMSELVES WHAT DONE SOMETIMES, 
I BELIEVE YOU TO A CERTAIN POINT. BUT NOT SO
SURE THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS THIS OTHER MYSTERY
GUY THERE, DUDE. YOU KNOW WHAT BECAUSE
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MEAN THERE WAS

  

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DID HE GET WHAT HE USED FROM YOUR 


SO HE HAD WHATEVER IT WAS WITH 

(NO ANSWER HEARD)

DID YOU TALK ABOUT AFTER YOU DUMPED 

I WAS JUST FREAKED OUT AND HE TOLD ME SHOULD NOT
SAY (INAUDIBLE) SHOULD NOT SAY 

DID HE EVER EXPLAIN TO YOU STILL HAVING
TROUBLE GRASPING, I BE LINKED TO HER. HE
HAVE SEX WITH HER. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE MOTIVE HE WOULD HAVE FOR KILLING HER--

(INAUDIBLE)

.THE HOUSE THAT YOU STOPPED AT (INAUDIBLE) STOPPED AT,
THAT HE WENT IN, DID HE GO INSIDE THE 

WELL ACTUALLY HE WENT THROUGH THE .THROUGH THE
SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

WAS THERE A PARTY GOING ON 

THE LIGHTS WERE ON BUT I KNOW IF THERE
WAS A PARTY. HE TOLD ME THAT WE WERE GONNA PARTY THERE.
BUT I KNOW IF HE WOULD. NEVER WENT INSIDE
SO I KNOW IF THERE WAS A PARTY IN THERE--

BUT HE (INAUDIBLE) SCORING COCAINE 



AND HE TOOK OFF AND TOLD YOU TO WAIT THERE.

HE TOLD ME ON, YOU KNOW. GONNA CALL
SOME PEOPLE. GONNA HAVE A PARTY HERE. JUST CHILL




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(INAUDIBLE)

LONG WAS HE HE TOLD YOU TO STAY THERE


FOR ABOUT 10. 15 MINUTES.

HE COMES BACK TO WHERE RE AT WITH THE GIRL IN THE CAR,
NO ONE ELSE SHOWS 

HUH-UH.

SO YOU--

HE HAD THE COCAINE (INAUDIBLE)
MUCH COCAINE DID HE 

A COUPLE OF (INAUDIBLE)

SO JUST THE GIRL-F

AND HIM.
. YOU. AND IN THE BACK SEAT PASSED 

UH-HUH.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT SHE WAS 

I I .I REMEMBER OFF HAND. -
DID SHE. DESCRIBE THE GIRL TO ME WHAT DID SHE LOOK 
SHE WAS WHITE. HAD SHORT HAIR I THINK. 

A WHITE HOW SHORT WAS HER HAIR DO YOU 
ABOUT TO HER, HER SHOULDER.

(INAUDIBLE) HER 

(INAUDIBLE)

DO YOU KNOW WHAT COLOR OF TOP WAS SHE

WEARING, DO YOU 
WEISS 

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NO (INAUDIBLE) BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A TIGHT BLOUSE OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT WAS TIGHT TO HER 
YEAH.
TIGHT 

DO YOU REMEMBER THE TYPE OF SEX YOU HAD WITH LIKE
WHAT DID YOU DO 

NO, I JUST GOT ON TOP OF HER AND THAT WAS IT.

MEAN LIKE WHERE DID YOU HAVE SEX WITH
WHAT PART OF HER 


HER BEHIND TELL ME WHAT (INAUDIBLE)
mm, (INAUDIBLE)

DID YOU EVER PENETRATE HER 

I MIGHT .

WAS SHE.. OR DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE HER CLOTHES
OFF FOR 

I JUST UNDO HER PANTS AND IT.

DID YOU PULL THEM 

UH-HUHLEFT HER (INAUDIBLE) ON ONE LEG.

OH, YOU GOT ONE LEG ON. THE OTHER ONE 
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WELL WE PUT HER IN THE TRUCK AND THEN WE GOT HER OUT.
RIGHT. BUT HOW DID YOU GET HER IN, FIRST OF 

PULLED THE SEAT AND I HOLD HER 
HER ARMS AND HE WAS HOLDING HER LEGS. AND WE JUST PUT
HER ON THE TRUCK.

ON THE BACK OF THE BED OF THE 

YEAH.

AND HOW DID YOU GET HER 

WELL I STARTED TO PULL AND ALL ON. HOLD AND
THEN HE PULLED HER AND GOT HER OFF AND HE
FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT AND HE PUT HER DOWN.

DO YOU REMEMBER HOW SHE WAS SHE FACE FACE
ON HER DO YOU 

WELL IN THE VERY LIKE IN THE (INAUDIBLE), I REMEMBER SHE WAS
FACING UP.

THIS WAS WHEN YOU TAKE HER OFF THE TRUCK TO THE 

REMEMBER WHENEVER PUT HER ON THE GROUND,
SHE WAS FACING UP.

OKAY, DID YOU EVER SEE THAT GUY 


HAD YOU EVER SEEN HIM 

NO, JUST AT THAT NIGHT.

WAS HE A YOUNGER OLDER 
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SO IF.. .AND NOT SAYING RE LYING, SO

THINK JUDGING YOU OR CALLING YOU A LIAR
BUT I WANT YOU TO RATIONALIZE .THE LAWS NOT GONNA
MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO
THINGS. SO IF RE JUST SITTING THERE UM. .THINKING THAT,
YOU KNOW WHAT MAN I. JUST BETTER IF I JUST THROW THIS
IMAGINARY PERSON IN IT LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF.
PEOPLE WILL FEEL BETTER ABOUT ME. RE NOT GONNA GET
THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT AND LIKE THE EVIDENCE WE
HAVE DNA EVIDENCE. WE KNOW SHE WAS STRUGGLING, 
WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL
ALTERCATION BETWEEN HER AND WHOEVER STRANGLED HER.
UM.. .WE HAVE YOUR DNA UNDER HER FINGERNAILS, SO
WE KNOW THAT SHE JUST LAYING THERE--


STRUGGLING.

I MEAN. .WH..ATI M. WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT
IS MAYBE SHE JUST UM. .JUST LAYING THERE A BIT.
SHE .MAYBE SHE MIGHT HAVE DONE IT 

(INAUDIBLE)

--IT LIKE UH. .LIKE A BIG THING, YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN--

WELL DID SHE TELL YOU OR OFF OF
ME. 

WAS WASTED.

(INAUDIBLE)

(INAUDIBLE) SHE SAY NOTHING ACTUALLY.

THE LEVEL OF DRUNKENNESS THAT SAYING SHE
DISPLAYED THOUGH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF
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OKAY, WHAT WAS THE INTERIOR WAS IT WAS IT
WERE THERE SEAT 

IT WAS LEATHER.

OKAY, NOW THIS VEHICLE, YOU DESCRIBED IT AS A
SILVER 

UH-HUH.
CAN YOU PUT THE APPROXIMATE YEAR ON 

IT WAS PREI I I LIKE BRAND NEW LIKE
COUPLE. MAYBE ONE YEAR OLD.

OKAY, AT THE 

YEAH--

NOT MEAN WE GOTTA REMEMBER THREE
YEARS HAVE PASSED ALREADY SO UM. NOW IS THAT THE

ONLY TIME YOU HAD SEX WITH HER WAS IN THE BACK OF THAT
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OTHER THAN THE GUN, YOU SAID THIS OTHER GUY 
REMEMBER ANY YOU REMEMBER CALLING
HIM A NICK NAME 

(INAUDIBLE) NOBODY WAS AROUND WITH US. NOBODY CALLED
HIM

BUT HE NEVER INTRO. .WHEN HE FIRST INTRODUCED HIMSELF,
WHAT DID HE SAY HIS NAME 

I T. .LIKE I SAID HE COULD BE (INAUDIBLE) HE .HE WAS A
WHITE GUY. 

OKAY.

KNOW WHATI I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS LIKE IN
THE BATHROOM (INAUDIBLE)

YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT AFTER YOU GUYS DUMPED THE
BODY, THAT YOU WENT BACK--
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2316587 GABRIEL AVILA (STATEOZQ)

YEAH, HE TOLD ME TO DROP (INAUDIBLE) AND DROP HIM OFF.
WHAT POINT DID HE SAID HE TOOK HER 
WHENEVER DUMPED HER, I GUESS.

SO YOU WATCHED HIM TAKE THE JEWELRY--

I REMEMBER LOOKING IN THE REAR MIRROR AND
THEN LIT HER ON FIRE. AND I REMEMBER HE PULLING HER
ARM SO GUESS THE JEWELRY.

DID YOU DID YOU SEE 

WELL HE PUT IT IN HIS POCKET AND (INAUDIBLE)

DID HE SHOW IT TO 

(INAUDIBLE)

YOU NEVER SAW THE JEWELRY 

NO.

WAS IT DARK OUTSIDE BY THE 

YEAH. -

WHAT TIME MORE OR LESS WAS IT, DO YOU 

REMEMBER WHAT TIME THEY CLOSE THAT
BAR BUT IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THEY CLOSED THE BAR
WHENEVER WE TOOK OFF (INAUDIBLE) THE LAPSE OF TIME
BETWEEN THEN AND THAT, IT COULD BE AN HOUR OR TWO.
NOT SURE OF THE 

NOT SURE (INAUDIBLE)

WHEN DID YOU SHOW UP AT THE 

EARLY, ABOUT 10:30.

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I MAY HAVE MISSED IT (INAUDIBLE) BUT TELL ME AGAIN HOW YOU
KNEW HE HAD THE JEWELRY.

THE FACT AND EVERYTHING, I (INAUDIBLE 
MUMBUNG)

OH, OKAY. SO YOU JUST ASSUMED THAT HE TOOK 

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PULLED ON HER HAND (INAUDIBLE)

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HE WAS TRYING TO DESTROY 

JUST SAW A LOT OF (INAUDIBLE). THE WHOLE THING WAS
VERY INTENSE THAT I KNOW WHAT TO THINK. I WAS JUST
FREAKING OUT. AND I PULLED MYSELF TOGETHER (INAUDIBLE)

WELL THINK BACK NOW, I MEAN DO YOU THE
WAY HE DID THINGS. THE WAY YOU THINK HE WAS JUST TRYING
TO JUST BURN HER UP OR DO YOU THINK HE WAS JUST TRYING 
DESTROY 

I THINK HE WAS LIKE JUST TRYING TO BURN HER UP.

OKAY.

LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU SAID WHEN HE (INAUDIBLE)
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NO, SHE WAS I HAD DONE, I GOT IN THE FRONT
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MYERS: WELL GIVEN YOU SOME. GIVEN YOU SOME OF THE DNA
EVIDENCE. NOW I TOLD YOU WE FOUND YOUR TRUCK. I TOLD YOU

WE TRACKED DOWN THE TIRES THAT YOU
EXCHANGED. THAT WAS AT ON EL PASEO.

AVILA: I BOUGHT THE TIRES AT BIG-O, YEAH.

MADRID YEAH, BUT THEY ALSO GAVE YOU FIVE DOLLARS PER TIRE FOR
THE ONES YOU TRADED IN. THE ONES THAT WERE ON YOUR
TRUCK AT THE TIME, 

AVILA: (INAUDIBLE)
MADRID YEAH, THEY DID.

MYERS: WHAT THE PAPERWORK INDICATES. AND WE HAVE COPIES
OF THE PAPERWORK. AND BEEN ABLE TO TRACE WHO
BOUGHT THE TIRES AFTER YOU.

AVILA: SO TH 

MYERS: SO WE CAN MATCH THE TIRE PRINT BACK TO YOUR TRUCK TO
SHOW THAT YOU WERE NOT AN 

MADRID YOU ADMITTED IT TO US.

AVILA: (INAUDIBLE)

MYERS: JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE HAVE. I SAID I WAS GONNA
SHARE WITH THE EVIDENCE, SO WHAT DOING.

AVILA: SEE NOT LYING AND I JUST 
UNDERSTAND (INAUDIBLE) IF I WAS GONNA TRY TO HIDE
SOMETHING WITH THE TIRE 

MYERS: 
AVILA: WOULD EXCHANGE IT (INAUDIBLE)

MYERS: MEAN ALWAYS ALWAYS
ANOTHER SIDE TO THE COIN THOUGH. IF YOU CHANGE THEM
RIGHT AWAY, THEN YOU LET YOUR FAMILY KNOW, YOU KNOW WHY
DID HE CHANGE THEM. THOSE TIRES ARE PERFECTLY GOOD. WHY

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HE HAD A TRUCK KIND OF LIKE MINE AND HE TOLD ME HE NEEDED
THEM. AND THEN AFTERWARDS HE WAS LIKE I NEED
THEM. TOO BIG FOR MY TRUCK. MY TOO
(INAUDIBLE) I GOT FIFTY DOLLARS FOR THEM.

OKAY, AND WHO WAS DO YOU REMEMBER HIS 
FIRST LAST NAME OR 

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OKAY.

AND I (INAUDIBLE) I REMEMBER EXACTLY HIS NAME.


WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS NAME MEJICANO
FOR: MEXICAN 

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STRANGLED HER YOURSELF OR SAT BACK AND WATCHED
SOMEONE ELSE DO IT. THE CHARGE IS THE SAME. SO 
NOT REALLY SAVING ANY FACE BY BRINGING IN SOME IMAGINARY
PERSON TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER OR JUST BE ABLE
COPE BETTER. REALLY ALL YOU DO IS MAKE
YOURSELF LOOK WORSE. I MEAN RIGHT HERE. AT
THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY

AND. ..AND DO A GOOD THING AND FOR WHATEVER REASON,
JUST NOT OVER THAT HUMP. BUT WE NEED YOU TO GET
OVER THAT HUMP. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, JUST MAKING
YOURSELF LOOK WORSE. AND OUR WHOLE REASON FOR COMING
UP HERE WAS TO TRY TO HELP YOU. COME 
FROM A TRUTHFUL POSITION. WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU.
GONNA MAKE THIS FOR YOU,
TALKING TO FOR YOU. YOUR FUTURE HEALTH
AND YOU KNOW. HIDING BEHIND THIS IMAGINARY
NOT GONNA DO ANY GOOD FOR YOU. AT ALL. IN ANY
WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THE TRUTH IS GONNA HELP YOU.
THE TRUTH IS GONNA MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER. THE
TRUTH IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO GET OVER THIS HUMP.
I MEAN IT. YOU GET ONE SHOT. WASTE

YOUR. WASTE YOUR CHANCE. YOU KNOW WHAT 
GIVE US A TRUTHFUL STATEMENT. TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY.

HOW GOOD IS THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THE BEST YOU GOT. 
THE ONLY CHANCE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO us.

THE BEST CHANCE YOU GOT TO GET YOUR WORDS OUT
THERE. TO GET YOUR SIDE OUT THERE. TO SHOW US NOT
A MONSTER. 

JUST--

I KNOW HARD, MAN. I FUCKEN KNOW HARD. YOU 
THINK SAT ACROSS FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE
IN THIS EXACT SAME THE REASON I FEEL LUCKY NOW,
IS LIKE I TOLD YOU EARLIER, GONE THROUGH SOME THINGS
OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT ALLOWS ME TO SIT HERE IN A
NON-JUDGMENTAL POSITION. (INAUDIBLE) A HUNDRED PERCENT
HONEST. THREE MONTHS AGO, BE HERE. I WOULD
HAVE SAID I GIVE A DAMN WHAT THAT GUY HAS TO SAY.
THROW THE BOOK AT HIM BECAUSE WE 

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EXECUTED THE SEARCH WARRANT AT YOUR HOUSE. WE FOUND
THE RING. YOUR WIFE HAD IT IN HER JEWELRY BOX. WHAT
HAPPENED WAS, I GUESS BACK IN APRIL WHEN YOU TOOK
IT TIME, WHENEVER YOU TOOK OFF.
WHENEVER YOU RENTED THE FORD TAURUS AND TOOK OFF. YOU
(INAUDIBLE) THE TOLD THEM CALL SOMEONE
(INAUDIBLE) THAT DID THE TRUCK. THAT RING WAS IN THE
ASHTRAY OF THAT TRUCK UNDER A BUNCH OF CRAP.

30 IT IN MY 

NO, NO. SHE TOOK IT. WHEN THEY CLEANED OUT THE TRUCK,
THEY FOUND IT. SHE TOOK IT AND KEPT IT ALL THIS TIME. SHE
WAS GONNA SELL IT FOR CASH AND JUST NEVER GOT AROUND TO
IT. SO WE WERE FIND THE RING.

IT MAKE SENSE TO ME NOW-

OKAY.-

ALRIGHT, BECAUSE I NEVER TOOK IT TO THE HOUSE. I--

RIGHT, NO, 

. --IT JUST THREW ME OFF. HOW

BAD IS ALL I 
STILL I

mi MADE UP MY MIND.


I MADE UP MY MIND. I CANNOT GO WORSE THAN IT IS
ALREADY.

RIGHT. AND GONNA TELL YOU THE IN THE
SAME POSITION WHEN WE FIRST GOT HER. UNTIL WE KNOW HOW
IT PLAYED OUT, WE TELL YOU.

SORRY I MADE YOU LOST ALL THIS TIME. KNOW YOU
GUYS ARE INVESTIGATING. AND LIKE YOU SAID I CANNOT MAKE IT
ANY WORSE. I 

RIGHT. EXACTLY. WHAT YOU CAN DO BY TELLING THE

TRUTH, IS MAKE IT BETTER,

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EXACTLY.

AND WHY WE NEED TO HEAR THE TRUTH. AND I
GIVE YOU MY WORD, BUT WE GET DONE, I WILL
TELL YOU EXACTLY PROBABLY WHAT LOOKING AT. I JUST
DO THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED.

RIGHT. 
OKAY, MAN. JUST GET IT OFF YOUR CHEST.

WAS AT THAT NIGHT I WENT TO I MET
THIS GUY (INAUDIBLE) ANOTHER GUY. HE HAD SOME COKE. I
FOLLOWED HIM. (INAUDIBLE) HE VANISHED.

HE 

I NEVER SEEN HIM AGAIN. AND I WAS HIGH. NOT
TRYING EXCUSE MYSELF. I HAD MANY CHANCES TO COME
FORWARD. I TELL YOU HOW MANY CHANGES TO COME
FORWARD AND I LIKE YOU SAY, I LOOK IN THE MIRROR
EVERY DAY AND KNOW I GOTTA SAY SOMETHING. AND I KNOW
THAT (INAUDIBLE) PRETTY MUCH THE REST OF MY LIFE IN PRISON.
MAYBE BECAUSE WAITING THIS LONG IS GONNA MAKE IT LONGER, I
KNOW.

NO.

I A LOT OF TIMES, (INAUDIBLE). I
FIND OUT SHE WAS AN ONLY CHILD AND THAT WAS (INAUDIBLE). I
MEAN I IMAGINE THE PAIN THAT THE PARENTS ARE GOING
THROUGH BECAUSE (INAUDIBLE). THIS GUYI MET, I FOLLOWED
TOLD HIM TO STOP RIGHT THERE ON MOUNTAIN VIEW. I
THOUGHT IT WAS TOO (INAUDIBLE)

RIGHT.

AND SO HE JUST WENT AHEAD. HE WENT IN AND GOT OUT. I WENT
TO PIC QUIK AND THAT WAS IT. (INAUDIBLE) JUST WAS A LITTLE
DRUG TRANSACTION I GUESS. THEN I STAYED THERE. I STAYED
OUTSIDE THE HOUSE FOR QUITE A WHILE BUMPING TO THE RADIO.
AND I SEEN THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEMS THAT I DROVE
UP WITH THAT GUY OR WHATEVER. AND I DECIDED TO GO HOME.
AND THE BEGINNING I ALMOST MEAN I ALMOST RAN
HER OVER. BUT NOT BECAUSE I PAYING ATTENTION. BUT If:

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REMEMBER SHE WAS VERY DRUNK. AND WALKING IN THE STREET.
AND I STOPPED. AND SHE KIND OF LIKE (INAUDIBLE) SOMEWHERE
(INAUDIBLE) AND I YELLED AT HER YOU NEED AND SHE
ANSWER. AND I ASKED AGAIN YOU NEED 
AND SHE WAS LIKE ACTUALLY I LIVE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS
DOWN I TOLD HER CAN GIVE YOU A RIDE. I CAN GIVE
YOU A SHE TOLD ME NO I SAID
SO SHE STARTED WALKING AWAY. AND I GOT BACK IN
THE TRUCK AND I TURNED AROUND AND I FOLLOWED HER. AND
THEN WAS LIKE A LITTLE WATER DRAIN
WHERE LIKE I GUESS WHERE THE WATER GOES THROUGH
WHENEVER IT RAINS I GUESS--

MYERS: RIGHT.

AVILA: --AND I STOPPED. .BY THIS TIME SHE. .SHE WAS ALREADY
WALKING (INAUDIBLE). I KNOW, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT
HER WHEN I.. .WHEN I WAS DRIVING. ANYWAYS, I STOPPED. TOOK
A PISS. AND I GOT BACK IN THE TRUCK. I SAID GOING HOME. I
JUST SAID I WAS GOING HOME. THEN I WAS DRIVING ON A STREET
AND I SAW HER AGAIN. I SAW HER AT HER HOUSE. AND THEN I

- STOPPED AND I ASKED HER IF SHE NEEDED HELP. AND SHE GOES
GET INTO MY HOUSE.- I HAVE MY PURSE AND I
WANT TO WAKE FRIEND OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. SAID HELP AND SHE GOES 
JUST HELP ME OPEN THAT I KNOW IF SHE SAID
THAT WAS HER ROOM OR IF SHE COULD GO THROUGH THERE
KNOW. I REMEMBER EXACTLY. AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN I JUST (INAUDIBLE) AND I HELD HER LIKE FROM THE
FRONTSAID
SHE SAID ARE YOU AND
SHE CHARGED ME A LITTLE BIT AND I CHARGED HER BACK AND I
FELL ON TOP OF HER. AND THEN .SINCE SHE WAS DRUNK, I
WAS THINKING (INAUDIBLE) AND THEN UH. .JUST LIKE YOU SAID,
SHE PUT UP A LITTLE BIT OF. .A LITTLE BIT OF A FIGHT. AND THEN
WHEN I JUST (INAUDIBLE) FOR SOME REASON I DECIDED
WAS GONNA STRANGLE HER. AND I DID.

MYERS: HOW DID YOU DO 

AVILA: I WAS STILL ON TOP OF HER AND (INAUDIBLE) RIGHT HERE.
MYERS: SORRY.
AVILA: AND THEN I RAISED MY HAND (INAUDIBLE) THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
SHE KEEPS RESISTING (INAUDIBLE). I MEAN WHEN I WAS.. .WHEN I
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HAD MY HANDS AROUND HER, I MEAN I KNOW. I
LOCKED. 

OKAY. DOING FINE.

ml LOCKED AND I LET GO. (INAUDIBLE) I LET
GO. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE JUST BREATHING
OR ANYTHING. I KNOW WHAT TO DO.

WHAT DID YOU DO 
I CARRIED HER TO MY TRUCK.
DID YOU CARRY 

(INAUDIBLE) I KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST TAKEN HER TO THE
HOSPITAL OR (INAUDIBLE) I MEAN I EVEN TRIED
REVIVE HER. I KNOW WHERE TRIED TO
BLOW IN HER. I KNOW HOW To DO IN HER
MOUTH AND PUSH ON HER CHEST. AND I DID THAT A COUPLE OF
TIMES (INAUDIBLE) THAT WAS BEFORE I PICKED HER UP. AND AT
THAT TIME, I KNOW WHAT TO Do. I KNOW
(INAUDIBLE) 

OKAY. DOING JUST FINE.- WHAT HAPPENED 

STILL MOUTH TO MOUTH. (INAUDIBLE)

RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE 

(NO ANSWER HEARD)

WHERE EXACTLY DID YOU PUT 

I PUT HER IN THE FRONT SEAT FIRST. AND I TOOK HER RING.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE RING (INAUDIBLE)

(INAUDIBLE) ACTUALLY I HAVE (INAUDIBLE) ABOUT HOW IT LOOKED.
OKAY, DID YOU TAKE ANYTHING ELSE FROM 

(INAUDIBLE) AND I WAS I START DRIVING AND SHE KIND
OF WENT FORWARD AND (INAUDIBLE) THE SEAT BELT (INAUDIBLE)

AND I I WAS SO HIGH. YOU KNOW, SO
I WAS GONNA PUT HER IN THE BACK IN THE TRUCK. SO I GOT OFF

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AND FROM WHAT I LEARNED ON THE TV AND ON THE
PAPER, I GUESS SHE WAS AT ANOTHER PARTY. AND THEN SHE
DECIDED TO TAKE OFF.

BUT YOUR MEETING HER THERE, THAT WAS A JUST A CHANCE--
THAT WAS A VERY (INAUDIBLE)

WHEN YOU WENT OVER YOU ASKED HER IF
SHE NEEDED HELP TO GET INTO HER HOUSE, WHEN SHE WAS
ACTUALLY AT HER HOUSE, HAD YOU ALREADY INTENDED AT THAT
POINT TO HAVE SEX WITH 

NO. NO BECAUSE I HAD SAW HER AND I OFFERED HER
HELP BECAUSE WAS ALMOST GONNA RUN HER OVER.
SHE TALKED TO ME. SHE SAID JUST GONNA
I STARTED FOLLOWING HER. BUT
NOT BECAUSE I WANTED TO RAPE HER. BUT FOR
SOME REASON I WANTED HER TO BE SAFE. BECAUSE I WAS
GONNA RUN OVER HER. AND BEFORE HER HOUSE WHEN I
STOPPED TO TAKE A PISS, YOU KNOW, SHE KEPT ON WALKING. I
WANTED (INAUDIBLE) BE WITH ME: I GOT BACK IN THE TRUCK. AND
WHEN I WAS DRIVING, SHE WAS COMING BACK FROM THE FRONT -
DOOR. AND I STOPPED REAL QUICK AND I TOLD HER YOU
NEED WAS LIKE OF. I FORGOT MY PURSE. I
HAVE MY KEYS. AND MY FRIEND IS AND I SAID
JUST WAKE HER SHE GOES HER PARENTS ARE
AND SO (INAUDIBLE) 

NOW WHEN YOU SAY YOU BLACKED OUT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY


I KNOW WHY HELD HER. I KNOW. I
HELD LIKE ARE YOU AND
SHE THEN I PUSHED HER BACK AND
SHE FELL OVER. I KNOW, I THINKING WHAT
I WAS GONNA DO. I REACTING TO WHAT I WAS
DOING. YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.

THINGS JUST 
WHAT (INAUDIBLE)

NOW EARLIER YOU SAID YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER AND 
SORRY BUT I NEED TO ASK YOU EXPLICITLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU
DID TO HER.

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WHAT DID YOU 

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OKAY, NOW HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY YOU WERE STRANGLING


I KNOW NOW. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME IT MIGHT HAVE
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WHAT.. I MEAN KIND OF, I KNOW HARD TO THINK ABOUT BUT
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LIKE I TELL YOU, I.. .SHE.. AND I DECIDED MY CAR WAS
TOO FAR. AND SHE WAS YELLING AND (INAUDIBLE) I FREAKED
OUT.

OKAY.

WERE YOU TRYING TO KEEP HER IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE
TRYING TO DO SINCE SHE WAS SCREAMING AND 

(NO ANSWER HEARD)

WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOUR TRUCK WAS TOO FAR, IT WAS
REALLY JUST PARKED IN FRONT OF HER BUT IN YOUR
MIND IT WAS JUST TOO 

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IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO 
SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT I 
ARE WE MISSING ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WE
SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT WE 

(INAUDIBLE - MUMBLING)

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO 

I KNOW LIKE WHEN IS THIS TRIAL AND ALL THIS.. .THIS
WHOLE THING STARTING (INAUDIBLE) .

BEFORE WE GET THAT.. .LET ME ASK YOU ONE THING REAL QUICK

THE RING THAT WE SHOWED YOU. THAT IS THE RING

YOU TOOK OFF OF 

I THINK SO.

OKAY.

IF I WAS ON DRUGS 

SURE. I

COULD SAY IT IS.

DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU KEPT YOU SOLD THE OTHER ONE.
WELL I SOLD THE OTHER I (INAUDIBLE) MESS IN
MY TRUCK. AND I THE FACT, I REMEMBER
WHERE (INAUDIBLE)
HOW DO YOU FIND THAT IN MY HOUSE. I REMEMBER. AND
NOW IT MAKES SENSE THAT I PUT IT THERE IN THE ASHTRAY WITH
A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUARTER THINGS, WHATEVER. AND I
FIND IT MYSELF.

I KNOW YOU (INAUDIBLE) TALK ABOUT THE WATCH AND WE
SHOWED YOU A PICTURE OF THE WATCH AND YOU SAID SHE DID
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MESSAGE TO THEM THAT SORRY AND I
(INAUDIBLE)

I ABSOLUTELY WILL TELL THEM THAT.

YOU GUYS ARE THE FIRST PERSONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IT.
(INAUDIBLE) SORRY I 

WELL KNOW, A TREMENDOUSLY HARD THING THAT
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HAPPENED AND MAKING EASIER FOR EVERYBODY
INVOLVED TO START THE HEALING 
YOURSELF.

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(INAUDIBLE)

(INAUDIBLE)

I KNOW WHAT I DID WAS RIGHT.

RIGHT.

AND GONNA BE SAFE IN HERE.

RIGHT.

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YOU 

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LIKE, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATOR AND (INAUDIBLE) 
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RIGHT.

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CAN RIGHT THERE. OKAY, GABRIEL, SIT TIGHT. GONNA TALK
TO THE WARDEN REAL QUICK AND SEE READY.

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