1/30/2020 inewsource Mail - Please read Jill Castellano Please read 1 message Brad Racino To: dbrenner@ucsd.edu Cc: Jill Castellano Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 12:06 PM Good afternoon Dr. Brenner, As you are aware, Jill and I are writing a story about Dr. Kevin Murphy. He mentioned you several times during our interviews. I will include those portions of the transcript below. I know that UCSD faculty are limited in what they can say about Murphy due to the ongoing UCOP investigation, however I am not asking you to comment on the investigation or on Murphy, rather I'm asking you to confirm or deny Murphy's statements involving you. Otherwise we have no way of verifying the truth of them and must publish what he says unchecked, because it is important to the story. I hope that is possible. The transcript begins with Murphy describing his feud with Scott Lippman and the Moores Cancer Center, and then ends in a meeting with you. I am cutting some of it for brevity. Also, I'm including another statement Murphy made about you after the transcript section. Please let me know as soon as possible if you can speak to either of these. [BEGIN TRANSCRIPT SECTION] Murphy: I would give that $10 million back tomorrow and say it's not been worth the pain and the suffering. Because when I first accepted and said, this is amazing, thank you. It was given to me privately. It wasn't given to UCSD. He’s not a UCSD patient. He’s my patient at cCare. But I'm an academic and a homer. My wife works at the University and has been there 15 years. I said, put it my research account and we'll do clinical trials at UCSD, this is great. Murphy: ...About a year later, he dies in Thanksgiving of 2015. And about eight, nine months later, I'm hearing that there's a $10 million gift coming into the Cancer Center. It's going to be announced at the gala. I'm like, that seems odd because I'm waiting for a $10 million gift to come too. So I go to the head of the Cancer Center and said, “Scott Lippman, this is kind of funny. I understand there's an announcement of a $10 million gift, that wouldn't happen to be the Kreutzkamp gift, would it? Because I've been waiting to hear from the foundation about this. And no one's talking to me, no emails, no correspondence, nothing.” Murphy: And he basically looks at me – and this is where I'm not looking to take somebody down, but obviously I'll tell you the exact truth – he looks at me and says, “You know Kevin, I've been on both sides of this … and the way it works is, you work for the Cancer Center and this is really going to go to the Cancer Center.” Murphy: And I said, but that's not the donor's intent. And he looked at me and said, “You know, if you just play your cards right, you might get two or three million of this.” I said, no no no no no no. You don't know who you're talking to. I said, that's not how it's going to play. If you want me to pull the donor's widow in here and tell you in front of everyone and God that this is where the money's supposed to go, I'll do that. And he said, go for it. Murphy: I said OK. So I brought the donor’s widow in, Ernestina … unfortunately I had to go to the donor and say, I'm sorry, I apologize. I was trying to protect the University at that point. And I said, it's under my opinion that the money's not going to go to where Skip wanted it to go to. Murphy: Her letter was very explicit. She wrote in no uncertain terms, ‘This money's for Dr Murphy, any way he sees fit.’ Any way I see fit ... Jill Castellano: It was a gift to you specifically? Murphy: Originally. Jill Castellano: For research related to PrTMS? Murphy: Yes. And it turned into Cancer Center saying thank you, we'll take that off Dr Murphy’s hands for him. And then I had to extract a $10 million lollipop out of the Cancer director’s mouth, after he had told people, at this a big event, the https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ik=d8ce919e02&view=pt&search=all&permthid=thread-f%3A1655644903456138714&simpl=msg-f%3A1655644903456138714 1/2 1/30/2020 inewsource Mail - Please read gala, where he announces this 10 million dollar gift, he recruited three faculty. He told me, out of the gift. I said, I'm sorry, you've got to call faculty, and say money's not for that purpose. Murphy: And so I created an enormous enemy and became persona non grata at the university amongst these upper echelons because I was a bastard who stole the $10 million back. Murphy: The poor widow had to come in and testify. So when we go to the Dean's office, the attorney for Mrs Kreutzkamp, who is the executor of the trust with her, Robert Pizzuto – the money hadn't been transferred yet – he had heard of all this hubbub. Said this is bullshit. Came there with this check, 10 million dollar check in his hand going like this, snapping it in front of the Dean, sitting with me, saying this money is for Dr. Murphy's research. To be used by his research, et cetera. Brad Racino: Dean of which – when you say Dean, who are you talking about? Murphy: Dean Brenner. Dean of the School of Medicine. So it was going to go into their account and then it went to the Regent’s account. It's not part of the School of Medicine, actually. It's in the UC Regents Foundation. It was not UCSD actually. So when UCSD says your money was used to do anything that is IP, it's not theirs anyway, it'd be the foundation’s, which is a not for profit, it doesn't take IP. [END] In addition, Murphy told us that you refused to give him a fund manager because you didn’t want another direct report, so Murphy was left with an AA3 part-time, which is why he had to hire Diana Shapiro and they had trouble keeping track of where money was going. Please let me know if this aligns with how you remember it transpiring. Thank you in advance. -- BRAD RACINO Senior Reporter & Assistant Director inewsource.org c. (845) 553-4170 t. @bradracino P.S. We want to hear from you! Take a brief survey to help us get to know you and the topics you want us to look into. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ik=d8ce919e02&view=pt&search=all&permthid=thread-f%3A1655644903456138714&simpl=msg-f%3A1655644903456138714 2/2