Question for Dr. Lippman Subject: Question for Dr. Lippman From: Brad Racino Date: 1/13/20, 1F11 PM To: xvillanueva@health.ucsd.edu Good afternoon, As requested, I'm including my questions for Dr. Lippman here in an email. The questions concern statements made by Dr. Kevin Murphy, who I am writing about for an upcoming story. During my interviews with Murphy, he made several statements about Dr. Lippman. These included events alleged to have taken place around 2015/2016. I am including the relevant portions of our interview transcript below. Please let Dr. Lippman know that I'm aware UCSD faculty are limited in what they can say about Murphy due to the ongoing UCOP investigation, however I am not asking him to comment on the investigation or on Murphy, rather I'm asking him to confirm or deny Murphy's statements that directly involve him. Otherwise we have no way of verifying the truth of these statements and must publish what Murphy says unchecked, because it is important to the story. I hope that is possible. Thank you. [BEGIN TRANSCRIPT SECTION] Murphy: I would give that $10 million back tomorrow and say it's not been worth the pain and the suffering. Because when I first accepted and said, this is amazing, thank you. It was given to me privately. It wasn't given to UCSD. He’s not a UCSD patient. He’s my patient at cCare. But I'm an academic and a homer. My wife works at the University and has been there 15 years. I said, put it my research account and we'll do clinical trials at UCSD, this is great. Murphy: ...About a year later, he dies in Thanksgiving of 2015. And about eight, nine months later, I'm hearing that there's a $10 million gift coming into the Cancer Center. It's going to be announced at the gala. I'm like, that seems odd because I'm waiting for a $10 million gift to come too. So I go to the head of the Cancer Center and said, “Scott Lippman, this is kind of funny. I understand there's an announcement of a $10 million gift, that wouldn't happen to be the Kreutzkamp gift, would it? Because I've been waiting to hear from the foundation about this. And no one's talking to me, no emails, no correspondence, nothing.” Murphy: And he basically looks at me – and this is where I'm not looking to take somebody down, but obviously I'll tell you the exact truth – he looks at me and says, “You know Kevin, I've been on both sides of this … and the way it works is, you work for the Cancer Center and this is really going to go to the Cancer Center.” 1 of 2 1/30/20, 4:51 PM Question for Dr. Lippman Murphy: And I said, but that's not the donor's intent. And he looked at me and said, “You know, if you just play your cards right, you might get two or three million of this.” I said, no no no no no no. You don't know who you're talking to. I said, that's not how it's going to play. If you want me to pull the donor's widow in here and tell you in front of everyone and God that this is where the money's supposed to go, I'll do that. And he said, go for it. Murphy: I said OK. So I brought the donor’s widow in, Ernestina … unfortunately I had to go to the donor and say, I'm sorry, I apologize. I was trying to protect the University at that point. And I said, it's under my opinion that the money's not going to go to where Skip wanted it to go to. Murphy: Her letter was very explicit. She wrote in no uncertain terms, ‘This money's for Dr Murphy, any way he sees fit.’ Any way I see fit ... Reporter: It was a gift to you specifically? Murphy: Originally. Reporter: For research related to PrTMS? Murphy: Yes. And it turned into Cancer Center saying thank you, we'll take that off Dr Murphy’s hands for him. And then I had to extract a $10 million lollipop out of the Cancer director’s mouth, after he had told people, at this a big event, the gala, where he announces this 10 million dollar gift, he recruited three faculty. He told me, out of the gift. I said, I'm sorry, you've got to call faculty, and say money's not for that purpose. Murphy: And so I created an enormous enemy and became persona non grata at the university amongst these upper echelons because I was a bastard who stole the $10 million back. -BRAD RACINO Senior Reporter & Assistant Director inewsource.org c. (845) 553-4170 t. @bradracino P.S. We want to hear from you! Take a brief survey to help us get to know you and the topics you want us to look into. 2 of 2 1/30/20, 4:51 PM Checking in Subject: Checking in From: Brad Racino Date: 1/14/20, 11E29 AM To: "xvillanueva@health.ucsd.edu" Good morning, Could you please check with Dr. Lippman and ask him if he plans to respond to my questions? I appreciate the help. -BRAD RACINO Senior Reporter & Assistant Director inewsource.org c. (845) 553-4170 t. @bradracino P.S. We want to hear from you! Take a brief survey to help us get to know you and the topics you want us to look into. 1 of 1 1/30/20, 4:52 PM Reporter Subject: Reporter From: Brad Racino Date: 1/14/20, 4C20 PM To: slippman@ucsd.edu Dr. Lippman, I wanted to follow up on my email yesterday to ask you to strongly consider making a statement on what I sent you. Dr. Murphy's claim against you is a strong one and he believes that what happened years ago is the reason for much of his current predicament. Because of that we must include what he's saying in the story but it bothers me to no end to do that without having the subject of his statement offer their side of the story. I'm aware that UCOP investigators are telling those we reach out to not to speak with us, but their names are not going to be in the press – yours is. Please consider speaking with me and/or offering a statement, however brief, for me to include in the story. Thank you for your consideration. -BRAD RACINO Senior Reporter & Assistant Director inewsource.org c. (845) 553-4170 t. @bradracino P.S. We want to hear from you! Take a brief survey to help us get to know you and the topics you want us to look into. 1 of 1 1/30/20, 4:52 PM