MEETING OF UNKNOWN STUDENT BY PHIL LEWIS AND ROBBIE MOORE Public Meeting on 01/13/2020 MEETING OF 12 UNKNOWN STUDENT 13 BY PHIL LEWIS AND ROBBIE MOORE 14 15 Date of Recording: January 13, 2020 Hnseby, Inc. Regional Centers 800-333-2082 Charlotte Atlanta Washington, DC New York Houston San Francisco GREENVILLE, NORTH 2 MEETING 3 PHIL LEWIS: So, are you back in school now? 4 STUDENT: 6 PHIL LEWIS: That's good. 7 9 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. lo STUDENT: 11 PHIL LEWIS: 12 STUDENT: l3 PHIL LEWIS: You'll be okay. 14 STUDENT: 15 PHIL Lwas= 17 STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: STUDENT: 7 PHIL LEWIS: Yea, I was telling Robbie, I told 8 you about the, you know, the Colin deal. If he was as smart 9 as he thinks he is, we'd be okay. lo STUDENT: ll PHIL LEWIS: Oh, he's a nice guyalong with him, but it's just he threw us a bunch of curve balls and he very much one thing that we are trying to do is trying to change what's going on at East Carolina where the students are everything's been I mean, our right the fee increase last year for athletics was $75. They knew it was going to be $75 this year. Colin knew it. We pretty much told him, ?Look, Colin. If you vote with us, we won't do it.? It costs the students 1.3 million. STUDENT: 22 23 24 25 PHIL LEWIS: No, listen, he's on athletics, 12 million dollars. ROBBIE MOORE: Twelve million dollars this year. PHIL LEWIS: And you know, they why other - just 1 like Clemson didn't sell out the last four years football 2 and we're out there putting 60 mil? we didn?t, but the 3 current people that are still there 4 STUDENT 5 PHIL LEWIS: between you and me are 6 responsible for that 60 million dollar increase over there 7 for that 8 ROBBIE MOORE: South Side Expansion 9 PHIL LEWIS: Which is nice 10 ROBBIE MOORE: The students never get to use it. 11 PHIL LEWIS: but you use it six times a year 12 and we're losing 12 million dollars. 13 STUDENT: - l4 ROBBIE MOORE: (inaudible) 15 STUDENT: 16 PHIL LEWIS: Still use 17 STUDENT: 19 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 20 (speaking to waitress) 21 PHIL LEWIS: 23 STUDENT: 25 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 1 STUDENT: 3 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 4 STUDENT: 6 PHIL 7 STUDENT: l3 PHIL LEWIS: I sat beside - at the 14 basketball game. 15 ROBBIE MOORE: Uh-huh. 16 PHIL LEWIS: I sat beside - at the basketball 17 game the other night. I was going to say something, but I 18 said, ?Naw, I think I'll wait and talk to - before.? 19 STUDENT: 20 PHIL LEWIS: - a good guy. 21 STUDENT: 22 PHIL LEWIS: - smart. - a smart - 23 ROBBIE MOORE: So, what do you think helped Colin 24 win last year? 25 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: Right. 6 8 ROBBIE MOORE: He loves - he just loves that stuff. 9 STUDENT: ll PHIL LEWIS: I asked him probably two months ago 12 was anybody there to take his place and he pretty much made 13 it sound like to me that there was nobody that could take his 14 place, number one, and he just he didn?t know anybody that 15 was going to take it. 16 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, we went and met with him over 17 at the SGA office, that's when he told us that. 18 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 19 STUDENT: 21 PHIL LEWIS: Tell me about 22 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 6 STUDENT: 7 ROBBIE MOORE: That?s one of the problems 8 STUDENT 9 ROBBIE MOORE: that's one of the problems at 10 East Carolina, there's nobody that - if they want to be Greek 11 life, it?s not a real reason to come to East Carolina. 12 STUDENT: 14 PHIL LEWIS: Is going to be a 15 - this year? 16 STUDENT: 18 PHIL LEWIS: Did I ask you if you were going to 19 run? 20 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: Do you think - tied to Colin at 24 all? 25 STUDENT: 1 2 PHIL LEWIS: I'm just 3 STUDENT: 4 PHIL LEWIS: we're just trying to figure out 5 where the groundwork is and maybe you know, you mentioned 6 Max. We both like Max. Max called him last night, we just 7 don?t want to jump Max on what we're doing because he?s 8 voting on the other side because he's one of those - he?s 9 been there for seven years, he?s the one who voted to spend 10 the 60 million dollars. 11 STUDENT - 12 PHIL LEWIS: And all we?re trying to do is I 13 mean, enrollment is going down. It's not going up. 14 STUDENT 15 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, one thing they don't tell is 16 that we're down a thousand students from two and a half years 17 ago in credit hours. 18 STUDENT: 19 PHIL LEWIS: And that's - that right there 20 ROBBIE MOORE: We're going to be down again this 21 spring semester. 22 PHIL LEWIS: I think we're going to lose 24 23 million this year. 24 STUDENT: 2 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 3 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 6 7 PHIL LEWIS: Wilmington is doing a good job. App 8 State is doing a good job. 9 11 PHIL LEWIS: State, Elon is doing a good job. 12 They're all and High Point is doing a great job (inaudible) l3 ROBBIE MOORE: We're able to spend a lot more money 14 to get students now it's just not (inaudible) 1 5 STUDENT - 16 ROBBIE MOORE: (inaudible) there?s 29 areas that 17 are like East Carolina?s ?catch me? zone. 18 STUDENT: 20 PHIL LEWIS: Really? 21 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: Clayton is not that big. 24 STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Oh, really? 2 STUDENT: - . 3 PHIL LEWIS: That's where my sisters live. So, 4 what do you think the chances are that you'd run, and would 5 you even want to (inaudible) STUDENT: 9 PHIL LEWIS: Right. 10 STUDENT: 15 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. 16 STUDENT: 19 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 20 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: Do you think has 24 already got a VP in mind? 25 STUDENT: 1 3 PHIL LEWIS: (inaudible) 4 ROBBIE MOORE: Like February let. 5 7 PHIL LEWIS: It was earlier this year, I think, 8 than last year. 9 STUDENT: l3 PHIL LEWIS: He knew what he wanted (inaudible) 14 STUDENT: 18 PHIL LEWIS: You can?t spend but a thousand 19 dollars, though, right? 20 STUDENT: 25 PHIL LEWIS: If he knew all of what what not to 1 do and what to do, I wonder why he - why he did some of the 2 things he did? 3 STUDENT: U'l PHIL LEWIS: STUDENT: x] PHIL LEWIS: oo STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: - STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Oh. U'l 1 STUDENT: 3 PHIL LEWIS: We're just trying to understand, and 4 you don't have a lot of time to make up your mind. 5 STUDENT: 9 PHIL LEWIS: 11 13 PHIL LEWIS: 16 STUDENT: 19 PHIL LEWIS: Uh?huh. 20 STUDENT: 24 PHIL LEWIS: Well, do you think that this - 25 would be tough to beat? STUDENT: 6 PHIL LEWIS: He acts like he?s a little older 7 than he is. a STUDENT: 10 PHIL LEWIS: Right. 11 STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: Did you know the guy before - p. 16 STUDENT: 20 PHIL LEWIS: Well, but I - but - was kind of 21 in Colin's camp, wasn?t he? 22 STUDENT: 1 2 PHIL LEWIS: I know that I and Colin were real 3 close. 4 STUDENT: - 5 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, I like we like Colin. I 6 mean, I don?t really know him. I don?t really care. All I 7 know is that the students are paying a million - over a 8 million dollars more than they didn't have to pay if he had 9 just (inaudible). At that point, when he said something to 10 us about going up on fees, to be honest with you, we didn?t 11 give a damn. 12 STUDENT: - 13 PHIL LEWIS: Because he - he voted against us; we 14 didn't care. 15 ROBBIE MOORE: And we didn?t. 16 PHIL LEWIS: You know, just to punish him if 17 nothing else. 18 STUDENT: 21 PHIL LEWIS: He knew that they were going to - he 22 knew that the $75 was going to be again this year was going 23 to be voted on. 24 STUDENT 25 ROBBIE MOORE: It's going to be $50 next year. 1 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, they're going to keep going up 2 unless somebody goes in there and says, ?Look, stop it. Stop 3 the? and really, we?re just looking kind of to stop the 4 madness. I mean, East Carolina can?t keep sitting there and 5 losing enrollment. I mean, I was at the beach this weekend, 6 Table 9 and this lady comes up with her husband and we get to 7 talking and she works at East Carolina and she works in the 9 ROBBIE MOORE: 10 PHIL LEWIS: she said - she said, and I got a job over there thinking I 12 was really going up in the world.? And she said, ?It's 13 terrible. They don?t know what the hell they're doing." 14 STUDENT: 15 PHIL LEWIS: Everybody is interim over 16 everywhere, it's interim this, interim that, and interim, you 17 know. 18 STUDENT: 2 ROBBIE MOORE WOW . 21 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: What are you studying? 24 STUDENT: 1 4 PHIL LEWIS: I just think it's - you know, we 5 just we just kind of got brought in to try to get some 6 common sense about it and that's what we?ve tried to do, but 7 we're having a hard time. Just like the last meeting we had, 8 Trustees meeting we had, we do nothing. I mean, we 9 ROBBIE MOORE: The meeting started at 9:00, we were 10 done - we finished at 10:30. 11 PHIL LEWIS: And get this, how much do you know 12 how much we do between the meetings? 13 STUDENT 14 ROBBIE MOORE: There's so many people that think 15 that trustees have a lot of control of the operation of the 16 university. 17 STUDENT - 18 ROBBIE MOORE: I'm in my seventh month now and it?s 19 just not something may change, but it's just not true at 20 this point. 21 PHIL LEWIS: I was on that Catholic - I?m not 22 Catholic, but I was on that Catholic board. I did way much 23 more on the St. Peters board than I ever thought about here. 24 STUDENT: 25 PHIL LEWIS: Just nothing. You just do nothing. I mean, they - they don't want you to do anything. 2 4 (speaking to waiter) 5 ROBBIE MOORE: The Executive Council to the Vice 6 Chancellors, Provost, the Chancellor (inaudible) 7 STUDENT: - 8 ROBBIE MOORE: Without - unless the trustees get 9 involved, they make it without any input. 10 STUDENT: ll ROBBIE MOORE: (inaudible) 12 PHIL LEWIS: So. I mean, I heard so many 13 different stories. I heard about Cecil, some people liked 14 him, some people didn't like him. Then I heard about, then 15 dan, we liked Dan, but Dan was everything Cecil wasn't. 16 STUDENT: l7 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, they were polar opposites, 18 but it kind of would help if we had somebody who couldmean, and I don't know how this chancellor search is going to work. I mean, it's STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Well, we have an interim. ROBBIE MOORE: We have the Provost. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: He's 70 years old. - 3 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, Ron Mitchelson is 70 years 4 old. He's a good guy. He was the Provost. Good guy and 5 it's probably who they should've chose to start with. Just 6 like Dan. The reason why Dan didn't keep his job wasn't 7 because he was down drinking, is they caught him driving. 8 STUDENT - 9 PHIL LEWIS: That was - that's what got him. 10 STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: Yeah, I can see why it would be, you know? Hell, it was confusing to us. ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, because we were kept in the dark the entire 30 days when this law firm did an investigation. STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: They had some law firm, but BOG is the heavy hand up in Chapel Hill and they hired some law firm out of Raleigh to do an investigation and anybody could - I mean, a 10?year-old could've done better than what they did. All they were trying to do was come up with the answer to what they wanted to come up with. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: So so, when do you think you?ll 2 probably know. I mean, because what - we?d love to talk to 3 you about maybe, I mean, I saw you - I looked on your 4 Facebook and you had a t-shirt and we kind of liked 5 that. 6 STUDENT: 7 PHIL LEWIS: Oh, good. 8 STUDENT: 10 PHIL LEWIS: Oh, yeah. 11 STUDENT: 12 PHIL LEWIS: 13 STUDENT: 18 PHIL LEWIS: Where do you go duck hunting? l9 STUDENT: 22 PHIL LEWIS: Down there close to it?s 23 low land, and there's people all over that place duck 24 hunting. 25 STUDENT: PHIL PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. ROBBIE MOORE: Oh, do you? PHILLIP: PHIL PHILLIP: PHIL PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. PIHPHHI: PHIL LEWIS: One of the Murphy the wife of the 19 younger Murphy is on the - she is the vice chair of the Board 20 of Governors in (inaudible) ROBBIE MOORE: Wendy Murphy. PHIL LEWIS: Wendy Murphy. PIP-PHIL 1 2 PHIL LEWIS: We had a political fundraiser for 3 some guys, and she showed up with a helicopter you know. 4 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, one (inaudible) land in the 6 helicopter. 7 10 PHIL LEWIS: They own the golf 11 12 PHIL LEWIS: yeah, they own. 13 STUDENT: ls PHIL LEWIS: 16 STUDENT: 20 PHIL LEWIS: It?s not for everybody. In fact, 21 it's not I mean, there's more and more people it's not for 22 because they want to go in debt and do something (inaudible) 23 STUDENT: 1 2 (speaking to waiter) 3 PHIL LEWIS: So, do you think there's a chance if 4 you don?t run that this will be - running 6 STUDENT: 7 PHIL LEWIS: or do they try to have a 8 STUDENT: 15 PHIL LEWIS: How funding - 17 STUDENT: 22 PHIL LEWIS: We could donate. I mean, it's a 23 free world. 4 STUDENT 3 PHIL LEWIS: Oh, I thought it was a thousand. 4 STUDENT: 6 ROBBIE MOORE: Did you get the vote totals last 7 year of what it was? ls 16 STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: So, they go online and vote online? 5 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. 1 STUDENT: 7 ROBBIE MOORE: It's the same way this year? 8 STUDENT: ll PHIL LEWIS: Do you think that - I don't know 13 STUDENT: 14 PHIL LEWIS: - did? :5 STUDENT: 16 PHIL LEWIS: 17 1 ROBBIE MOORE: You have to be an undergraduate? 2 STUDENT: 1 2 (speaking to waiter) 3 PHIL LEWIS: It?s a lot to know. 4 ROBBIE MOORE: It is. STUDENT: U'l 10 PHIL LEWIS: If you ran this time and do you think I would help you? 12 STUDENT: CD PHIL LEWIS: They can get two or three other "d (D 0 STUDENT: 1 a thing. A lot of people forget about those. 2 PHIL LEWIS: STUDENT: 9 lO tt test by to veete 12 14 PHIL LEWIS: One of the people that just came on 15 the Board of Trustees, is a girl that, you know, works in 16 finances in Chapel Hill, her name is Angela Moss and she as 17 the SGA president in 1999. 18 STUDENT: Uh-huh. Yeah, you told me about her 19 on the phone. 20 PHIL LEWIS: And if you made a decision to run, 21 we'd like to get you with her 2 2 STUDENT: - 23 PHIL LEWIS: and 24 STUDENT: She could help out? 25 PHIL LEWIS: Uh?huh. STUDENT: 7 PHIL 22222 9 STUDENT: 11 PHIL LEWISSTUDENT: l3 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 12 8 PHIL LEWIS: Right. l?I 9 STUDENT: 22 PHIL LEWIS: WOW. 22 STUDENT: 25 PHIL LEWIS: 2 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: It?s hard to believe that K.A. is a 6 top tier. 7 STUDENT: 9 PHIL LEWIS: So, you think .going to get some 10 fraternity support? 11 STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: l9 STUDENT: 4 PHIL LEWIS: Do you think there?s a chance that 25 I mean, do they have many times where they had three or four 2 people running? STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: So, talking about signs and things like that, name recognition is big, right? STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: So, what do they - Robbie is in the billboard business, so he's in the sign business so that?s why I asked this question. - how big could STUDENT: 8 PHIL LEWIS: Like what? 9 STUDENT: 12 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 13 STUDENT: l7 PHIL LEWIS: Your two thousand. 1 8 STUDENT 19 PHIL LEWIS: Well, it seems like getting 20 out early is a big deal. 21 STUDENT: 22 PHIL LEWIS: You might want to do it and having 23 some help, you somebody to help you organize. 5 STUDENT: 5 PHIL LEWIS: Do you have any idea if you did run, 6 do you have anybody in the back of your mind of who 7 STUDENT: 10 PHIL LEWIS: I was going to ask you if you 11 thought that would hurt you. 12 STUDENT: 13 PHIL LEWIS: Uh?huh. 14 STUDENT: 1 ROBBIE MOORE: Right. 2 STUDENT: MEETING OF UNKNOWN STUDENT BY PHIL LEWIS AND ROBBIE MOORE Public Meeting on 01/13/2020 Page 33 -able to get a list of all the 2 presidents so that I could contact them 3 I 4 5 PHIL LEWIS: Uh-huh. 6 STUDENT: 7 8 9 ROBBIE MOORE: We can do that. We can do that. 10 STUDENT: Yeah, that's it's pretty easy to 11 get the information. 12 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, we could get that through 13 Virginia. 14 STUDENT: Virginia? 15 PHIL LEWIS: Virginia Hardy. l6 STUDENT: Dr. Hardy? l7 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. 18 STUDENT: But have you have you spoken to 19 the lady that ran for us what?s her name? I keep 20 forgetting. That?s on the board with you? 21 PHIL LEWIS: Angela Moss 22 STUDENT: Yeah, did you speak to her about 23 meeting with me? 24 PHIL LEWIS: Um hum, um hum. 25 STUDENT: Okay. Gotcha. n7;w.huseby.com Huseby,Inc. Regional Centers 800-333-2082 Charlotte Atlanta Washington, DC New York Houston San Francisco 10 11 12 13 14 15 ROBBIE MOORE: She's great. Angela's fantastic. PHIL LEWIS: Really, she's very smart and she - she's kind of got it - I mean, we kind of want to keep this quiet because like Colin told Angela, ?I'm going to vote for you for chair.? STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: Up until five minutes before the vote and he had - she - I said, ?Get your butt over there and talk to that guy." ROBBIE MOORE: That was the morning of the trustees. PHIL LEWIS: Morning of the trustees. And this little jerk, he never - he wasn't going to tell her. ROBBIE MOORE: No. STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: Vern Davenport. ROBBIE MOORE: Current chair now. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: Which Vern is okay. The problem is, all these guys are for Raleigh and they have all these meetings in Raleigh, and they want to keep, you know ROBBIE MOORE: They come into town for the trustee meetings and they?re over there writing in their pads, yes, and what time are we going to get out so we can get out and 2 3 go back to Raleigh. PHIL LEWIS: It?s all for the show. ROBBIE MOORE: It's all for show. STUDENTROBBIE MOORE: That's what it is. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. We didn?t realize it until we got on it. So, that?s why we don't want Vern, that's why we don't want Max. I mean, most of these guys don't want - I mean, we got these problems that they don't want to talk about. STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: I mean, just like athletics. I mean, we've got all these problems in athletics and the athletic director is like who can I talk to? ROBBIE MOORE: He just he wants - he wants help. PHIL LEWIS: He wants some help. ROBBIE MOORE: He wants to cut three sports. STUDENT: 22 23 24 25 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, you have to balance them out, so it would probably be PHIL LEWIS: Tennis? ROBBIE MOORE: Tennis is probably one. STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: I know. I do, too. And tennis and then one of the track and fields because indoor season and outdoor season counts as two separate sports. STUDENT - ROBBIE MOORE: So - yep, there?s been some talk and he's got all the numbers of what it would cost what it would save us to cut three sports. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: But Colin really likes where he is because he?s - he was the game changer. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: And you know, I?m a big boy. Just tell me you're not going to vote for this and we?re fine, but don't sit here and lie to us and ROBBIE MOORE: But since then, he really hasn?t - he's done nothing. He doesn?t speak at any of the trustee meetings. STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: He has really zero input since then. PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. ROBBIE MOORE: They kind of used him as a pawn to get the chairmanship. PHIL LEWIS: The only time I heard him Speak was on the student fee. ROBBIE MOORE: Well, he spoke. He passed out the resolution to the student fees, and then, he spoke on it. And the chairman was like, ?You got anything else?? And he?s like, And the vote was passed 12 to 1. PHIL LEWIS: But we would?ve voted the other way, it's just that ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, we would've voted with him for sure. PHIL LEWIS: I just wasn't going to - I wasn't going to support him. I mean, he - you gotta work together and we just want to see some change. STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: I mean, it's just so much. And look, we probably, on the other side, we think Max is probably the better one on the other side. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: And we get along with Max. The problem is - and Max is a mess. Max has probably got three credit hours of all ECU. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: I mean, he never graduated. STUDENT PHIL LEWIS: But he ROBBIE MOORE: Oh, yeah. So, we've got three trustees that didn't graduate. 1 STUDENT: 2 ROBBIE MOORE: From any university. 3 PHIL LEWIS: Nothing against it, I'm just 4 STUDENT 5 PHIL LEWIS: but he's one - he's supporting 6 he wants to support the old guard, which, you know, we understand, but we just want some change and whoever wins, 8 the term will start July 1. 9 STUDENT: 11 (speaking to waiter) 12 PHIL LEWIS: So, we're just out trying to - we 13 appreciate you meeting with us and I want to make sure you 14 and Robbie got y'all's contact 15 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. 16 PHIL LEWIS: you know, y'all get these other 17 contacts and maybe, I guess, in the next 10 days you're going 18 to make a decision. 19 22 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, I'm not going to I would 23 love for you to talk to Angela Moss. 2 4 STUDENT: - 25 ROBBIE MOORE: We can line that up and you can talk her over the phone. PHIL LEWIS: I can line that up and you can talk to her by phone or she'll come down here. And - and confidentially, as long as you don?t have to show where you get the money I mean, we have no problem I don't have any problems supporting you. ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. PHIL LEWIS: Robbie can help you with signs and things like that. I mean, we - Robbie is really in with the legislature. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: Like the guy that's probably going to be the next speaker of the house is one of his best friends, John Bell and we'd love to and you knowthink - I don't - I don't think if I if we go to Virginia and say, ?Okay. We know running. We might have some" - I think she would do what she could. She wants to see us win, too, but she can't say it. STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: She can't she can't really get involved. STUDENT: - ROBBIE MOORE: But, you know PHIL LEWIS: Her and Max (inaudible) ROBBIE MOORE: she wants some changes bad. PHIL LEWIS: They hate each other. We just, you know, but we, you know, we just want to make a change. We want to make a change and our I think Robbie is the one that should be the chair. He?s got time number one, you've got to have the time and he's owns the billboard company, if he - if he goes to work one day fine he doesn't go to work one day, fine he does what he wants to do. Not bad at 48 years old to be able to do that. ROBBIE MOORE: But just like Vern Vern works for the man. He?s traveling all the time. He doesn?t have time to do that. We need someone in Eastern North Carolina to be the chair. We haven't had a chair in Eastern North Carolina in at least a decade. PHIL LEWIS: Right. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: And I think Angela would be a great one to work with and we got a guy over in Kinston that owns Jim Seagrave that owns (inaudible) Exclusive would probably be an officer. He's not that involved, but you would probably get his vote. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: You would have to do some stuff for him. ROBBIE MOORE: He's a long-time friend of ours. We helped him get on the trustees, but he?s not been involved just because we don?t we don't really do that much. PHIL LEWIS: Just to give an example, they don?t - they never have they say open meeting laws, they can't do anything because then you have to tell the paper and do this and do that. STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: Even if they have - if we said they were going to have a meeting today of the economic development committee, which I'm on, then they'd have to call the paper and tell them. Now, whether they showed up or not, I don't know. STUDENT - ROBBIE MOORE: But they're so scared that any of these meetings we have, that the media is going to show up, we don't have any meetings. We run from the media. STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: It's the craziest thing ever. It's not like we're having some secret thing to take over the world. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: We?re having meetings about stuff related to East Carolina, it?s a public institution that we should have in the public domain, but we don?t. We just 1 don't do anything. 2 STUDENT: 3 PHIL LEWIS: So, we - we kind of so, we don't 4 want the other side to know that we're kind of checking in to 5 see if maybe - okay. So what happens, not this coming July 6 but the next July, most of those six go off. 7 STUDENT: - 8 PHIL LEWIS: So, we know we're going to get 9 change, but we don't want to have to wait until July of 10 STUDENT: ll ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, July 21. 12 PHIL LEWIS: 21 to do it. We?d like to have some 13 change now. 14 STUDENT: 15 PHIL LEWIS: And we the guy that - you know the 16 BOG, Harry Smith, which I don't (inaudible) 17 STUDENT: 19 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, he takes his own china shop 20 with him. He?s a bull. He takes his china shop with him. 21 But he's a really smart guy and - and we can it?s one of 22 those type things we get along with him. He was chair of the 23 BOG. He could've done so much for us. 24 STUDENT: - 25 PHIL LEWIS: And he?s told us, ?I?ll go back. If 1 you get control, I?ll go back." And whether he will or 2 whether he won't is two different things, but we're actually 3 are going to a thing for him Thursday night at the - in 4 Chapel Hill, but we?re, you know, we got a new chancellor 5 search, it will probably be over in 6 ROBBIE MOORE: In May. 7 PHIL LEWIS: May, June, something like that. 8 And we hope that they it's our - we hope that they pick 9 somebody with some East Carolina ties. lo STUDENT: 12 PHIL LEWIS: They?re I mean, now, they?re doing 13 this listening tour. 14 STUDENT: - 15 ROBBIE MOORE: So, that?s going on. That?ll go on 16 until mid? end of February. And then, in March is when 17 they're going to start interviewing candidates. 18 STUDENT: - 19 PHIL LEWIS: And one we?ve heard - we've heard 20 this. We don't know if this is true. We know it's being 21 pushed. I don't know if you know Don Edwards, UBE. 22 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: He?s pushing this - named - who is the head named STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: And - ROBBIE MOORE: - from STUDENT: - ROBBIE MOORE: I mean, - been PHIL LEWIS: 10 STUDENT: - 11 PHIL LEWISknow Don is 12 having his own little tour, go around and meeting with 13 everybody about make sure that we look at him. Not that we - 14 he might not be anybody that we would choose 15 STUDENT: - 16 PHIL LEWIS: but it's a worth a look. - 17 from I think we need to look at, you know, one of the big 18 things and I think I saw something that you liked Cecil. 19 STUDENT: 21 PHIL LEWIS: Uh?huh. Okay. 22 STUDENT 24 PHIL LEWIS: The biggest problem I have 25 ROBBIE MOORE: Did you ever meet Dan? 1 STUDENT: 3 PHIL LEWIS: So, what would happen is if you were pp sitting here and Cecil walked right by, he wouldn't speak to 5 you, me or Robbie, but if Dan came by, he would come by, 6 ?Y'all want a beer?? That?s the that?s the difference. 7 STUDENT: 9 PHIL LEWIS: Uh?huh. lo STUDENT: l3 ROBBIE MOORE: Right. 14 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. So, maybe make sure y?all 15 exchange 16 ROBBIE MOORE: Okay. 17 STUDENT: 18 PHIL LEWIS: And maybe we can talk - we can 19 easily get Moss to call you before Friday if you wanted her 20 to or if you wanted to wait until after Friday and maybe we 21 could we'll do whatever you want. 22 STUDENT: 25 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. 1 STUDENT: 3 PHIL LEWIS: When do you got to have a you 4 mean, next - the next Wednesday? 5 STUDENT: 6 PHIL LEWIS: Okay. Right. 7 STUDENT: 12 PHIL LEWIS: Well. 13 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. 14 PHIL LEWIS: 16 STUDENT: - 17 PHIL LEWIS: I mean, you know a lot more. You 18 know the do's and the don'ts. 19 STUDENT: - 20 PHIL LEWIS: And I think you just got to find a 21 - 22 STUDENT: 23 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. SO, I mean, I think that's 24 (inaudible) 25 ROBBIE MOORE: I could probably get tO help her with that. 2 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, tell her about 3 mm John Beii ie the 5 House Majority Leader i so. - running - -runnine 11 -working in three campaigns, but -running - also 12 running two campaigns 13 STUDENT: 14 ROBBIE MOORE: (inaudible) l5 PHIL LEWIS: For the State? 16 ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. 17 STUDENT: - 18 PHIL LEWIS: Who is .running the campaign for? 19 ROBBIE MOORE: - running - campaign, and 20 then, - running this other guy that?s running for House 21 over there, and then, -just ran the mayor's campaign in - 22 And then, - got a couple of other BB cities I Beipino out with. 25 STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: the are very tied to John Bell (inaudible) and Senator Jim Perry who we?d like for you to meet and whatever because we think they - they would like there's no doubt they would like to see change. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: They just - they're kind of like tired of what's going on. Is that a good quote, I mean? ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, I mean, just so many people west of us are tired of seeing East Carolina in the newspaper and the media in a bad light. STUDENT ROBBIE MOORE: A lot of issues we've brought upon ourself about things we've done. PHIL LEWIS: Well, we beat SMU, that?s a good outcome. You knowthe basketball or football games? STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Right. STUDENT: .4 PHIL LEWIS: One other thing that you - one other - one thing that Colin had that he got this year was he got to go up at the Chan? every - go up and stay at the Chancellor's suite every game. STUDENT: - ROBBIE MOORE: He was there every time. 13 ROBBIE MOORE: Well, he was there with his friends. 14 PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, he went with two or three of 15 his friends. So, but if it's okay with you, we'd just like 16 to keep this quiet. 17 STUDENT: 18 PHIL LEWIS: And to see where it goes and whether 19 you do it or not, we'd love to see you do it. We would everything we could to work with you, but we?ve got to you know, we've got to kind of be quiet about what we do and what we say and whatever. And like I said, we like Max, but ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah, this will be Max?s last year. PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. ROBBIE MOORE: He's not eligible to be reappointed 1 after this year. 2 STUDENT: - 3 PHIL LEWIS: So, but we would love to - we would 4 love to you 7 STUDENT: 8 ROBBIE MOORE: Has it been that long? 9 STUDENT: l3 ROBBIE MOORE: They didn't? l4 STUDENT: 19 ROBBIE MOORE: What were the big things that he ran 20 on that you think made him win? 21 STUDENT: 24 PHIL LEWIS: Oh, yeah. 25 PHIL LEWIS: Well, I will tell you that we - Moss could help you put together something STUDENT PHIL LEWIS: that?s really slick, that STUDENT PHIL LEWIS: samebody who - who knew what he was talking about. STUDENT - PHIL LEWIS: Even though he - I mean, he does. He does his homework. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Right, right. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Well, one thing you can say is that 10 11 12 13 we're spending 1.3 million for athletic fees more this year than you were last year. I would try to do everything I could to keep the last and look, if you would run and win, we'll help you. We?ll give you seven votes to where they won't screw ROBBIE MOORE: them. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, they won't be able to raise They won't they won't (inaudible). Look, for a million dollars, we don't give a shit. We don't care. ROBBIE LEWIS: STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: ROBBIE MOORE: PHIL LEWIS: of the students. STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: It?s a billion-dollar budget. Yeah, (inaudible) The entire university is (inaudible) We don?t want to put it on the backs And if we raise them again this time, we would be-the highest in the system, athletic dues of all the schools. PHIL LEWIS: So, if nothing else, all you've got to do is five different things like that and say STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: why why didn?t Colin do a better job of talking to the of why we can't raise our fees? STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: And you know what, all that matters, you can say maybe by that time you've talk to five or six board of trustee people and say, want to go and talk to people about not raising fees.? That's the ROBBIE MOORE: See the vote was 12 to 1. PHIL LEWIS: Yeah. ROBBIE MOORE: Colin was the only one that voted against the fees. PHIL LEWIS: But we hey, but we?ve got our six pretty strong. STUDENT PHIL LEWIS: So, we - we just weren't going to fight over it. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: I mean, we could've won 7 to 6. ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. PHIL LEWIS: But I'd be giving Colin a victory, what in the hell do I want to do that for? ROBBIE MOORE: He didn?t give me one. STUDENT: 1 PHIL LEWIS: When he walked in that day when I 2 watched him walk in that day, he was as white as I mean 3 ROBBIE MOORE: I was upstairs in the Student Union 4 and he walked in just minutes before the meetings was to 5 start. He walked in with Virginia and they walked in and 6 went up the elevator to our meeting and he didn't talk to 7 anyone. He wasn't - he didn't have any intention of talking 8 to anyone. 9 STUDENT: ll ROBBIE MOORE: Oh, yeah. 12 STUDENT: - PHIL LEWIS: No, look. No, I it's hard to 15 believe that he is a kid. 16 ROBBIE MOORE: The thing about is though that on 17 that Mond- so, we met on Thursday. On Monday, he wasn't 18 going to vote for her. On Tuesday, he said, ?I'm solid. I'm 19 going to vote for you.? So, he let her go Tuesday, 20 Wednesday, up to Thursday morning thinking, hey, I'm with 21 you. She had met with him on multiple occasions. And then, 22 he changed again. 23 STUDENT: ROBBIE MOORE: Yeah. I mean, he could've sent her a text, email, anything, that he was going to tell her no. STUDENT: - ROBBIE MOORE: That was STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: Well, we had another one, we had a female on that called up the guy that was running and says, can't vote. I can't vote for you Vern so I?m going to vote for the female.? But she changed her mind and never called the female and said, I can't vote for you. I'm going to vote for (inaudible)." So, it was all kind of a ROBBIE MOORE: And she?s a - well, into her adult years. She's in her 505. PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, you almost at some point they were just ROBBIE MOORE: Playing games. PHIL LEWIS: Yeah, playing games. STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: But no, we would love to hear from you and see what you think and I think that no matter what we do, like if you did decide to run, we would like to keep it low key because we think we could help you without letting onto that you would be a candidate that we support because I think we could have - I mean, we know a lot of people that are at Eastern Carolina. I got a guy that works with me, he?s got his MBA. He?s got a lot of kids all day. You could there?s a lot of people that could go and help you with your platform and STUDENT: PHIL LEWIS: doing the campaign or whatever. STUDENTPHIL LEWIS: And I can understand your fear OF OF