U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, D.C. 20535 March 2, 2020 MR. JASON LEOPOLD BUZZFEED NEWS 7TH FLOOR 1630 CONNECTICUT AVENUE NW WASHINGTON, DC 20009 FOIPA Request No.: 1432673-000 Civil Action No.: 19-cv-01278 Subject: All 302’s of individuals who were questioned/interviewed by FBI Agents working for the Office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller Dear Mr. Leopold: The enclosed documents were reviewed under the Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA), Title 5, United States Code, Section 552/552a. Below you will find checked boxes under applicable statutes for the exemptions asserted to protect information exempt from disclosure. The appropriate exemptions are noted on the processed pages next to redacted information. In addition, a deleted page information sheet was inserted to indicate where pages were withheld entirely pursuant to applicable exemptions. An Explanation of Exemptions is enclosed to further explain justification for withheld information. Section 552 Section 552a (d)(5) (b)(1) (b)(7)(A) (b)(2) (b)(7)(B) (j)(2) (b)(3) (b)(7)(C) (k)(1) Federal Rules of (b)(7)(D) (k)(2) Criminal Procedure 6(e) (b)(7)(E) (k)(3) 50 U.S.C § 3024(i)(1) (b)(7)(F) (k)(4) (b)(4) (b)(8) (k)(5) (b)(5) (b)(9) (k)(6) (b)(6) (k)(7) 800 pages were reviewed and 545 pages are being released. Please see the paragraphs below for relevant information specific to your request and the enclosed FBI FOIPA Addendum for standard responses applicable to all requests. Document(s) were located which originated with, or contained information concerning, other Government Agency (ies) [OGA]. This information has been referred to the OGA(s) for review and direct response to you. We are consulting with another agency. The FBI will correspond with you regarding this information when the consultation is completed. Please refer to the enclosed FBI FOIPA Addendum for additional standard responses applicable to your request. “Part 1” of the Addendum includes standard responses that apply to all requests. “Part 2” includes additional standard responses that apply to all requests for records on individuals. “Part 3” includes general information about FBI records that you may find useful. Also enclosed is our Explanation of Exemptions. Although your request is in litigation, we are required by law to provide you the following information: If you are not satisfied with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s determination in response to this request, you may administratively appeal by writing to the Director, Office of Information Policy (OIP), United States Department of Justice, 441 G Street, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20530, or you may submit an appeal through OIP's FOIA STAR portal by creating an account following the instructions on OIP’s website: https://www.justice.gov/oip/submit-and-track-request-or-appeal. Your appeal must be postmarked or electronically transmitted within ninety (90) days of the date of my response to your request. If you submit your appeal by mail, both the letter and the envelope should be clearly marked "Freedom of Information Act Appeal." Please cite the FOIPA Request Number assigned to your request so it may be easily identified. You may seek dispute resolution services by contacting the Office of Government Information Services (OGIS). The contact information for OGIS is as follows: Office of Government Information Services, National Archives and Records Administration, 8601 Adelphi Road-OGIS, College Park, Maryland 20740-6001, e-mail at ogis@nara.gov; telephone at 202-741-5770; toll free at 1-877-684-6448; or facsimile at 202-741-5769. Alternatively, you may contact the FBI’s FOIA Public Liaison by emailing foipaquestions@fbi.gov. If you submit your dispute resolution correspondence by email, the subject heading should clearly state “Dispute Resolution Services.” Please also cite the FOIPA Request Number assigned to your request so it may be easily identified. Please direct any further inquiries about this case to the Attorney representing the Government in this matter. Please use the FOIPA Request Number and/or Civil Action Number in all correspondence or inquiries concerning your request. See additional information which follows. Sincerely, David M. Hardy Section Chief Record/Information Dissemination Section Information Management Division Enclosures Additional Information: In response to your Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request, enclosed is a processed copy of Bates Stamped documents, FBI (19-cv-1278)-2164 through FBI (19-cv-1278)-2963. The enclosed documents represent the sixth interim release of information responsive to your request. To minimize costs to both you and the FBI, duplicate copies of the same document were not processed. Revisions were made to withholdings in documents previously released to you. Enclosed is an updated copy of Bates Stamped document FBI (19-cv-1278)-1332, 1356-1357, 1359-1361, 1367, 1369-1370, and 1378. You were previously advised we were consulting with another agency concerning information related to your litigation. A portion of that information has been returned to the FBI and is enclosed in the following Bates Stamped documents FBI (19-cv-1278)-154-155, 157-158, 210, 212, 216-217, 1053-1085, 1216-1226, and 1326-1328. FBI FOIPA Addendum As referenced in our letter responding to your Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request, the FBI FOIPA Addendum includes information applicable to your request. Part 1 of the Addendum includes standard responses that apply to all requests. Part 2 includes additional standard responses that apply to all requests for records on individuals. Part 3 includes general information about FBI records. For questions regarding Parts 1, 2, or 3, visit the www.fbi.gov/foia website under “Contact Us.” Previously mentioned appeal and dispute resolution services are also available at the web address. Part 1: The standard responses below apply to all requests: (i) 5 U.S.C. § 552(c). Congress excluded three categories of law enforcement and national security records from the requirements of the FOIA [5 U.S.C. § 552(c) (2006 & Supp. IV (2010)]. FBI responses are limited to those records subject to the requirements of the FOIA. Additional information about the FBI and the FOIPA can be found on the www.fbi.gov/foia website. (ii) National Security/Intelligence Records. The FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of national security and foreign intelligence records pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1), (b)(3), and PA exemption (j)(2) as applicable to requests for records about individuals [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(1), (b)(3), and (j)(2); 50 U.S.C § 3024(i)(1)]. The mere acknowledgment of the existence or nonexistence of such records is itself a classified fact protected by FOIA exemption (b)(1) and/or would reveal intelligence sources, methods, or activities protected by exemption (b)(3) [50 USC § 3024(i)(1)]. This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that national security or foreign intelligence records do or do not exist. Part 2: The standard responses below apply to all requests for records on individuals: (i) Requests for Records about any Individual—Watch Lists. The FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any individual’s name on a watch list pursuant to FOIA exemption (b)(7)(E) and PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(7)(E), (j)(2)]. This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that watch list records do or do not exist. (ii) Requests for Records for Incarcerated Individuals. The FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records which could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any incarcerated individual pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(7)(E), (b)(7)(F), and PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(7)(E), (b)(7)(F), and (j)(2)]. This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that such records do or do not exist. Part 3: General Information: (i) Record Searches. The Record/Information Dissemination Section (RIDS) searches for reasonably described records by searching those systems or locations where responsive records would reasonably be found. A reasonable search normally consists of a search for main files in the Central Records System (CRS), an extensive system of records consisting of applicant, investigative, intelligence, personnel, administrative, and general files compiled and maintained by the FBI in the course of fulfilling law enforcement, intelligence, and administrative functions. The CRS spans the entire FBI organization and encompasses the records of FBI Headquarters (FBIHQ), FBI Field Offices, and FBI Legal Attaché Offices (Legats) worldwide and includes Electronic Surveillance (ELSUR) records. For additional information about our record searches visit www.fbi.gov/services/information-management/foipa/requesting-fbi-records. (ii) FBI Records. Founded in 1908, the FBI carries out a dual law enforcement and national security mission. As part of this dual mission, the FBI creates and maintains records on various subjects; however, the FBI does not maintain records on every person, subject, or entity. (iii) Requests for Criminal History Records or Rap Sheets. The Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) Division provides Identity History Summary Checks – often referred to as a criminal history record or rap sheets. These criminal history records are not the same as material in an investigative “FBI file.” An Identity History Summary Check is a listing of information taken from fingerprint cards and documents submitted to the FBI in connection with arrests, federal employment, naturalization, or military service. For a fee, individuals can request a copy of their Identity History Summary Check. Forms and directions can be accessed at www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/identity-history-summary-checks. Additionally, requests can be submitted electronically at www.edo.cjis.gov. For additional information, please contact CJIS directly at (304) 625-5590. (iv) The National Name Check Program (NNCP). The mission of NNCP is to analyze and report information in response to name check requests received from federal agencies, for the purpose of protecting the United States from foreign and domestic threats to national security. Please be advised that this is a service provided to other federal agencies. Private citizens cannot request a name check. EXPLANATION OF EXEMPTIONS SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552 (b)(1) (A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy and (B) are in fact properly classified to such Executive order; (b)(2) related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency; (b)(3) specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld; (b)(4) trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; (b)(5) inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency; (b)(6) personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; (b)(7) records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information ( A ) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, ( B ) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication, ( C ) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, ( D ) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, ( E ) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or ( F ) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual; (b)(8) contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or (b)(9) geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells. SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552a (d)(5) information compiled in reasonable anticipation of a civil action proceeding; (j)(2) material reporting investigative efforts pertaining to the enforcement of criminal law including efforts to prevent, control, or reduce crime or apprehend criminals; (k)(1) information which is currently and properly classified pursuant to an Executive order in the interest of the national defense or foreign policy, for example, information involving intelligence sources or methods; (k)(2) investigatory material compiled for law enforcement purposes, other than criminal, which did not result in loss of a right, benefit or privilege under Federal programs, or which would identify a source who furnished information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence; (k)(3) material maintained in connection with providing protective services to the President of the United States or any other individual pursuant to the authority of Title 18, United States Code, Section 3056; (k)(4) required by statute to be maintained and used solely as statistical records; (k)(5) investigatory material compiled solely for the purpose of determining suitability, eligibility, or qualifications for Federal civilian employment or for access to classified information, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person who furnished information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence; (k)(6) testing or examination material used to determine individual qualifications for appointment or promotion in Federal Government service the release of which would compromise the testing or examination process; (k)(7) material used to determine potential for promotion in the armed services, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person who furnished the material pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence. 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Accompanying BURT were Assistant Special Counsel IAfter being advised of the identities of the interviewing officials and after reviewing the proffer agreement, in the presence of his attorneys, BURT executed the proffer agreement, whereupon he provided the following informationb7C Investigationon 02/09/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) mail Datedrafted 02/12/2018 b5 b7C 1:72 by I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 1 198 to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) I I b7E Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/20l8 Jag 2 of 12 b5 per BURT helped ALFA establish contacts with Western businesses in order to assist in ALFA's expansion outside of Russiab7C After the Board meeting concluded, BURT had a conversation with AVEN. AVEN told BURT that he (AVEN) had been talking to someone in the Russian government who had expressed an interest in establishing a communications channel between the Kremlin and the DONALD FBK 19901278}? 19?} I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/2018 Jag 3 of 12 b5 per BURT recalled SIMES had some sort of relationship with JARED KUSHNER. BURT subsequently called SIMES. BURT asked SIMES if he could help facilitate the establishment of a communications channel between the Russian government and the TRUMP team. ISIMES told BURT he did not want to do what BURT was asking. SIMES said now was not a good time to do something like that given the media attention surrounding Russian influence in the 2016 U.S. Presidential elections. Additionally, SIMES, on BURT's behalf, was lobbying the TRUMP transition team for BURT to be the next U.S. Ambassador to Moscow. I b5 per BURT made up the "trusted third party" referenced in the opening line of the email. No trusted third party existed. The "very influential person" was I b3 b6 b7A b7C communications channel between the Russian government and the TRUMP team. It was BURT's idea to call it "Project BURT was cognizant of the sensitivities regarding what AVEN was requesting, so BURT did not want to directly refer to it in an email. b5 Per that there "is an interest and an understanding for the need to establish such a channel." In this email, BURT was not communicating to AVEN the view of the TRUMP team BURT noted that he added some hype to this particular sentence to make it sound like there was more interest from the TRUMP team in establishing a communications channel with the Russian government than was actually true. b5 per BURT did not recall discussing the topic with SIMES again. FBK 19w1278}-22I? b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard Burt 4 of 12 Con?nua?onofFT?SOZof 3011 02/09/2018 ,Page (b7C The conversation BURT had with AVEN in Luxembourg, and AVEN's request to see if BURT could help establish a communications channel between the were unusual. It was not in the Russian government and the TRUMP team, normal realm of BURT's dealings with AVEN. b5 per b5 per b5 per FBK 19m1278}-22I1 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/2018 ,Page FBK 199561 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Richard Burt b7E 3011 02/09/2018 ,Page b7A b7C FBK 19m1278}-22I3 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/20l8 Jag per per called BURT and to for speech b6 b7A b7C BURT, SIMES, and SAUNDERS quickly went through a set of bullet points to provide to the TRUMP campaign for foreign policy speechFBK 19w12'7832-22I4 (Rev. 05-08-10) I b7E Interview of Richard Burt 3011 02/09/2018 ,Page 136 1372?: b7C b5 per FBK 19m1278}-22I5 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/2018 Jag 9 of 12 I 55 per 106 1373?; b7C In the summer of 2016, BURT attended two dinner meetings with SESSIONS and several other individuals. BURT believed the dinner meetings occurred between June and August 2016. b5 per b6 b7A b7C Ithe TRUMP campaign might benefit by listening to experienced Republican foreign policy expertsper recalled was not at the first dinner meeting, but that he chaired the second dinner meetingJI l?I b6 b?7A b7C b5 per while BURT focused his discussions on NATO and U.S./European relations. I b5 b7A b7C F??igtvl278}2215 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/2018 Jag per FBK 19m1278}-22I7 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Richard Burt 3011 02/09/2018 b7E ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) I I b7E Interview of Richard Burt ,On 02/09/2018 12 of 12 ,Page b7A b7C FBK 199561 b7E FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 1 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 09/29/2017 JAMES JAY CARAFANO, date of birth (DOB) social security account number interviewed on 09/11/2017 at his office at The Heritage Foundation (Heritage), 214 Massachusetts Ave NE, Washington, DC. telephone number is and his email address is After interviewing agents andI advised 23C CARAFANO they were seeking assistance with an investigation, CARAFANO asked if this was regardingI ICARAFANO was informed that it was not regardingI I CARAFANO asked if that was the land the agents replied affirmatively. CARAFANO explained he would need to consult with his people first and would return shortly. CARAFANO returned to his office withI I be I I tor The Heritage Foundation, b7C telephone numberI Iemail addressI I I Iexplained he wasI Ifor Heritage and wanted to know what this was about. The agents advised that CARAFANO was not the target of an investigation and the FBI was simply seeking his assistance into an investigation, specifically regardingI Iinquired as to whether Heritage was the target of an investigation. The agents informed him that Heritage was not the target of a case and no other Heritage employees were ICARAFANO confirmed IThe agents confirmed they were working for the Special Counsel's Office. explained that the agents would need to come back at a later :gc scheduled time discuss the details with CARAFANO. The agents left their contact info CARAFANO who seemed amenable to an interview of CARAFANO at a later date. Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Investigationon 09/11/2017 at Person) File# Date drafted 09/11/2017 b6 b7C by b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its 278)": 2 1G to be distributed outside your agency. b7E IUD-302 - 1 C>f 8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/04/2018 SAMUEL HARVEY CLOVIS JR., date of birth (DOB was interviewed on 10/26/2017 at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Special Counsel b6 Office located at 395 Street SW, Washington, D.C. Present for the b7C Special Counsel interview were Agents and Attorneys JEANNIE RHEE, ANDREW GOLDSTEIN and AARON ZELINSKY. CLOVIS also had his attorney, present. CLOVIS provided the following informationper Investigationon 10/26/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b?i'E Datedrafted 11/08/2017 File b6 b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 21 i (Rev 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFIL3020f (U) Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 ,On 10/26/2017 b7E ,Page per DOJXOIP per FBK 199561 (Rev 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFIL3020f (U) Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 ,On 10/26/2017 b7E ,Page per FBK 19m1278}-2213 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 On 10/26/2017 Ihg 4of8 per UNCLASSIFIED peas FBK (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 On 10/26/2017 Ihg 50f8 per UNCLASSIFIED frees (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 On 10/26/2017 Page per UNCLASSIFIED ?we FBK (Rev 05-08-10) UNCLASSIFIED Metro WE Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 On 10/26/2017 Ihg 7of8 b7C UNCLASSIFIED ?er (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Sam Clovis on 10/26/2017 On 10/26/2017 Page b7C UNCLASSIFIED A3939- b7E - of 12 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 12/01/2017 SAMUEL HARVEY CLOVIS JR., date of birth (DOB) was interviewed on 10/03/2017 at his place of employment, U.S. Department of Agriculture, 1400 Jefferson Drive, Washington, DC. After being advised of the identity of interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, CLOVIS provided the following information: About one quarter of the way through the interview, CLOVIS was advised that lying to the agents could constitute a federal offense. He did not indicate wanting to change any of his previous statements at that time. Background CLOVIS started off the interview by explaining that he hates Russia and that should be clear throughout his interview. CLOVIS was an Air Force fighter pilot and worked at the Pentagon during the period 1984 to 1988. CLOVIS described himself as a Sovietologist, acting as a think tank for the chief of staff. CLOVIS was an expert on Russia and Eastern Europe with additional expertise in the Middle East. CLOVIS was essentially a wargame specialist on a red team. CLOVIS was picked up for the campaign because of his broad policy background. In addition to his military time, CLOVIS had run for office in Iowa where he found out he was good at campaigning but not at fundraising. The TRUMP campaign recruited him heavily. CLOVIS had met TRUMP during the late summer of 2014 while CLOVIS was running for state treasurer. CLOVIS was fundraising for STEVE KING, congressman in Iowa, when TRUMP was a keynote speaker. TRUMP pulled CLOVIS off to the side and spoke with him at that event. Then, in spring of 2015, CLOVIS was asked to introduce TRUMP for a Lincoln dinner at Council Bluffs. TRUMP liked it and CLOVIS narrated a town hall for him shortly after that. CLOVIS got a call from TRUMP's people asking CLOVIS to be on the campaign if TRUMP ran for president. CLOVIS was helping a friend with a different campaign at the time. So he declined and was asked to consider the TRUMP b6 b7C Investigationon 10/03/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# Date drafted 10/03/2017 by b7E b6 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not b7C to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 21 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 2 of 12 ,Page campaign when the other campaign was over, which ended approximately 63 days later. CLOVIS was asked by twelve different candidates to be on their campaigns. In August 2015, CLOVIS joined the TRUMP team as the National Co?chair and Chief Policy Advisor. Campaign The TRUMP team was small until March 2016 when it started to expand. STEPHEN MILLER came on and handled the day?to?day feeding of the candidate so CLOVIS could focus on other things. CLOVIS was largely spreading word about the campaign to interest groups, think tanks and other groups. MILLER was a young energetic guy which made him good as the hand?holder for TRUMP. CLOVIS and MILLER have a good relationship. After March 2016, CLOVIS shifted away from the foreign policy team and launched some coalition projects in the summer, including successful coalitions on agriculture, law enforcement and other areas. CLOVIS explained the coalitions started the real campaigning. CLOVIS went to TRUMP Tower fairly often during the campaign but has not been there in a while. CLOVIS did not have any notes or records of his involvement in the campaign. In April 2016, CLOVIS called LEWANDOWSKI and GLASSNER on a Saturday and told them they needed a policy for if they win. I b6 CLOVIS advised b7C them to be careful who they talk to and to only talk to them in public. CLOVIS specifically mentioned China, Russia and Pakistan. Russia was never a topic between CLOVIS and TRUMP. They would occasionally discuss it in debate prep. CLOVIS did most of the debate prep during the primaries. They talked about a Ukrainian policy and discussed having a bipartisan approach to this because of the divided base on Ukraine. Right before Christmas of 2015 the team started to focus on foreign policy. CLOVIS asked COREY LEWANDOWSKI and TRUMP about doing something related to foreign policy. CLOVIS read an article about another candidate and decided to write a 3,800 word essay to serve as a blueprint for the foreign policy team. The essay was never published but CLOVIS floated it to the campaign. The essay discussed topics such as NATO, Russia, the Middle East, Pakistan, China and North Korea. Despite efforts to develop a foreign policy, the team never had a definitive foreign policy. UNCLASSIFIED /-FeUe- (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 On 10/03/2017 Ihg 3 of 12 A lot of people approached the campaign with ideas about foreign policy topics. Some of them wanted to approach and engage Russia but CLOVIS never trusted Russia. CLOVIS remembers DAVID KLEINJ reached out indicating "we can get you a meeting" because he had b7C religious connections to a Russian rabbi. CLOVIS said he "stiff?armed" KLEIN. CLOVIS thought interacting with Russia was a bad idea on any level because of comments TRUMP made. CLOVIS mentioned a trip to Israel which had been contemplated by TRUMP prior to Christmas. TRUMP also contemplated trips to Europe and Russia. CLOVIS thought TRUMP should go to London, Paris, Rome, Tel Aviv or Jerusalem first before planning trips elsewhere. These trips were contemplated prior to the Convention. CLOVIS recalls emails with people trying to reach out to setup Russia meetings based on seeing the emails recently for the Senate investi ation. CLOVIS said DAVID KLEIN, GEORGE I were the ones that came to mind. CLOVIS met I that SESSIONS and STEVE KING attended as well. CLOVIS b6 didn't know ROHRABACHER who advocated for engaging and aligning with b7C Russia in Syria and the Middle East. CLOVIS thought this was before the convention, maybe in Spring of 2016. CLOVIS told SESSIONS he wouldn't follow-up with because that was not where they needed to go. CLOVIS thinks the Special Counsel investigation is more political than practical. From perspective he didn't see anything that warranted an investigation. CLOVIS said the campaign didn't have anything to do with Russians. No one advised anyone to meet with Russians. CLOVIS wanted nothing to do with Russia and would never approve a meeting with the Russians. CLOVIS explained that relations are different with Russia. You can't just sit down at a table with them. CLOVIS understood meeting with the Brits, South Koreans, Italians and the Australian ambassador. CLOVIS also explained that visits with foreigners complicate things when you have to complete an which he just had to go through. CLOVIS did not have any insight into TRUMP meeting with a Russian attorney. CLOVIS was paid for his time working on the campaign in line with a signed contract. UNCLASSIFIED APOUCT i (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 4 of 12 ,Page CLOVIS was not aware of the campaign having any derogatory information against HILLARY CLINTON but CLOVIS didn't handle opposition information. He does not recall any discussion of the or b6 the Democratic National Committee (DNC). b7C CLOVIS did not recognize the names or BOB FORESMAN sounded familiar but CLOVIS didn't know why. When it was mentioned to b5 CLOVIS that FORESMAN was identified as someone who offered the campaign b7C back channels to the Kremlin, CLOVIS did not seem to be able to further identify FORESMAN. CLOVIS indicated that he never engaged CLOVIS recalls talking to SESSIONS about the Logan Act as far back as September or October 2015. After March, CLOVIS got a call about how the press was beating up the campaign over national security. CLOVIS talked to STEPHEN MILLER, COREY LEWANDOWSKI and MICHAEL GLASSNER. KUSHNER asked CLOVIS tO put together a foreign policy team within 24 hours to resolve the press issue. JEFF SESSIONS was to be the national advisor on National Security. MILLER came from SESSIONS staff. CLOVIS said there were a total of eight on the initial team including CARTER PAGE, GEORGE IKEITH KELLOGG, land WALID PHARES. PHARES was close to IVANKA TRUMP and CLOVIS is still friends with PHARES. CLOVIS put the list together and sent it to KUSHNER and IVANKA TRUMP and SESSIONS approved it. b6 b7C CLOVIS tried to get everyone from the team to attend the meeting in D.C. on March 31, 2016. That was the only meeting CLOVIS attended with the team. There were two other meetings after that, including one with the Washington Post. CLOVIS recalled that PAGE and did not attend the b6 meeting but KELLOGG, PHARES, SESSIONS and. b7c were at the meeting. CLOVIS looked at a photograph of the meeting and explained that he was off to the side of the photo. He explained DAN SCAVINO, HOPE HICKS, LEWANDOWSKI and MILLER were there as well. CLOVIS does not recall Russia being brought up in the March 31, 2016 meeting. I b6 I b7C This ate up so much time there was no time for others to speak. So everyone else at the table only (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jh? 5 of 12 had a couple minutes to introduce themselves. CLOVIS did not seem familiar with the article about PAPADOPOULOS bringing up a Putin meeting at this meeting but CLOVIS said that doesn't mean it didn't happen. b3 b3 PAPADOPOULOS was on the make and wanted a way into the political in? crowd. He wanted a position of power and financial gain. He was trying to get a White House position. Prior to becoming an advisor, PAPADOPOULOS reached out to LEWANDOWSKI or MILLER and LEWANDOWSKI pushed him to CLOVIS. CLOVIS performed a Google search on PAPADOPOULOS and determined he was a Hudson Institute guy and had credibility in energy policy. PAPADOPOULOS couldn't keep his mouth shut with the British press and got into trouble over that. CLOVIS called and told him to "shut up". CLOVIS remembers telling PAPADOPOULOS over the phone not to engage with Russia but couldn't recall exactly when that was. CLOVIS thought it was probably prior to the phone call he had with PAPADOPOULOS on May 5, 2016. CLOVIS remembered meeting with PAPADOPOULOS at the Doubeltree Hotel on April 1, 2016 and recalled they talked about desire to come back to the U.S. and work on the campaign. b3 b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED Hess (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017l On 10/03/2017 Page 6 of 12 b3 b6 b7C CLOVIS did not know who JOSEPH MIFSUD was. LEWANDOWSKI and GLASSNER introduced CLOVIS to PAGE at TRUMP Tower one day, telling CLOVIS "This is CARTER PAGE. You need to meet him." PAGE had an interesting background, including time in the Navy, experience in energy policy and Russian business. They were rushed into putting a foreign policy team together. CLOVIS thought PAGE was pretty harmless but also didn't provide much value. CLOVIS said he never talked to PAGE about meetings with Russia and doesn't remember PAGE ever bringing up Russia. b3 CLOVIS explained that he had made it clear that the team didn't represent the campaign on anything. PAGE did a reasonable job but PAPADOPOULOS couldn't stop. PAPADOPOULOS was traveling all over, including Greece and Israel. CLOVIS stated that he hates Russia. CLOVIS described the foreign policy team as "herding cats". PAGE was in Russia and PAPADOPOULOS couldn't keep his mouth shut. CLOVIS has not talked to anyone else about the Russia investigation. CLOVIS didn't recall anyone other than PAPADOPOULOS encouraging meetings with Russia. CLOVIS thinks this was self?serving. CLOVIS never saw anyone else encouraging the meetings. CLOVIS said LEWANDOWSKI never would have engaged on that. LEWANDOWSKI listened to CLOVIS. CLOVIS does not recall PAPADOPOULOS ever telling him derogatory information about CLINTON. b3 UNCLASSIFIED Fess FBK ism-1273}-2224 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 7 of 12 Page b3 PHARES was an Egypt and Middle East guy with high level contacts in the Egyptian government and CLOVIS thought he had connections in the UAE too. CLOVIS thought PHARES had connections with a Deputy Minister in Egypt for either Education or Academics or something like that. PHARES said his friends could broker meetings but CLOVIS said CLOVIS was asked if he ever met with any Egyptians and he explained that he had met PHARES and an Egyptian in a hotel lobby in Georgetown at one point. CLOVIS described the hotel as a nice hotel with a restaurant but no parking. CLOVIS thought maybe it was a Renaissance or Continental Hotel. CLOVIS couldn't recall the name of the Egyptian. PHARES tried to get CLOVIS to setup another meeting with the Egyptian but CLOVIS didn't think it was a good use of his time because he had a lot to do. CLOVIS was asked about foreign travel that PHARES and PAPADOPOULOS tried to plan. CLOVIS explained that they did not travel and no one would have approved their travel. They were instructed not to travel on behalf of the campaign. CLOVIS said that no one traveled overseas for the campaign. After the March 31, 2016 KELLOGG continued to work b6 with the campaign but there is no evidence any of the other guys from the b7C foreign policy team provided anything after that. CLOVIS had a good relationship with SESSIONS. They were in line on foreign policy and immigration. SESSIONS was very cautious on the foreign policy front which aligned with CLOVIS. CLOVIS explained several times in regards to the foreign policy team that his position changed in March. After March, CLOVIS was working on a special project for DONALD TRUMP JR. regarding land management. CLOVIS was also working on the campaign's education policy because of his higher education background as a professor. CLOVIS doesn't know who had the foreign policy lead after that. CLOVIS was not involved in discussions about foreign policy but heard from often. KELLOGG was close to the President and eventually MICHAEL came along and was b6 b7C close to him too. They likely had his ear on foreign policy. CLOVIS did not have the President's ear. UNCLASSIFIED FSUQ (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag 8 of 12 LEWANDOWSKI sent CLOVIS a memo from early on asking what CLOVIS thought of the memo. CLOVIS thought ELYNN was too conventional. His ideas were in line with that of an Army general and not in line with TRUMP. ELYNN lacked depth. In April 2016, LEWANDOWSKI asked CLOVIS to take a meeting with ELYNN. CLOVIS met ELYNN at a hotel in Tyson's Corner CLOVIS felt that was self- serving and was not there for TRUMP. CLOVIS told LEWANDOWSKI that. CLOVIS thinks ELYNN was added because the team was hurting for support. KELLOGG and ELYNN knew each other. b6 b7C Based on reading ELYNN's memo, CLOVIS thought ELYNN did not have much depth or thought. He had expected more from the head of the DIA. CLOVIS had no idea about any connections ELYNN had with Russia. CLOVIS was happy to see go. insinuated himself into the campaign. He was close with KELLOGG. CLOVIS doesn't remember when started. PAUL MANAFORT became the campaign manager when LEWANDOWSKI was fired. CLOVIS didn't know MANAFORT and wouldn't even be able to recognize him. CLOVIS speculated that MANAFORT and others had been angling for him to be campaign manager since Day 1. CLOVIS thinks ROGER STONE, REINCE PRIEBUS and others were trying to get MANAEORT that role. CLOVIS pointed out there was only one professional on the team, MICHAEL GLASSNER. The rest of the team running the campaign included an I CLOVIS does not know STONE and never met him. PRIEBUS always treats CLOVIS with the utmost regard but they never had any substantive conversations. b6 b7C KUSHNER showed up to an event in Milwaukee wearing jeans and a polo while the rest of the team was wearing suits. KUSHNER didn't take much interest in the campaign until Fall 2015. Then KUSHNER and IVANKA TRUMP became much more involved. DONALD TRUMP JR. and ERIC TRUMP never interferred in the campaign. They were TRUMP's business partners and acted like business partners. KUSHNER and IVANKA TRUMP were listening to STONE but LEWANDOWSKI stood in the way as the establishment. He didn't always have answers which strained his relationship with the children. IVANKA TRUMP is TRUMP's blindspot, his princess. STEPHEN MILLER had more of a day-to? day tactical influence on TRUMP. MILLER is young, energetic and looks good. TRUMP was closest to his kids IVANKA, DON, ERIC, and KUSHNER. TRUMP was also close to HICKS throughout the campaign. She was not a policy person but she kept the boss calm. TRUMP was close to MILLER constantly but UNCLASSIFIED froste? FBK ism-1273}-2225 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag 9 of 12 MILLER was more of a chameleon. TRUMP was also close to DON MCGAHN and GARY COHN from the National Economic Council. MELANIA TRUMP was not as involved in policy issues. CLOVIS would kid with IVANKA TRUMP. CLOVIS did some research for her regarding education and the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA). She called CLOVIS around Christmas of 2015 and said that her dad had approved her tasking CLOVIS. She wanted assistance with policies related to education and FMLA. She sent CLOVIS some drafts to read and he had to explain to her that they were running as Republicans. So he worked with her to develop some conservative positions. In January 2016, KUSHNER started to send CLOVIS questions. At that time, everyone was sick including CLOVIS, GLASSNER and LEWANDOWSKI. On March 14, 2016, KUSHNER and IVANKA TRUMP advised CLOVIS to put a foreign policy team together. CLOVIS explained that he never received any guidance from the campaign on what to do. He had a contract with the campaign and received payment as part of that contract. CLOVIS said he never read the contract but b6 probably has it somewhere. CLOVIS explained that DAN SCAVINO b7C HOPE HICKS, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, MICHAEL GLASSNER and some Of the young kids working at Trump Tower also got paid for their involvement in the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI is the one CLOVIS went to most often. LEWANDOSWKI told CLOVIS to just do what's best for the campaign, the only guidance CLOVIS ever got about working on the campaign. b3 b6 b7C CLOVIS never trusted GORDON, who worked in the Alexandria office for DEARBORN and MASHBURN. GORDON was the National Security coordinator but CLOVIS isn't sure how effective GORDON was. GORDON was non? substantial. He was a gopher for DEARBORN and MASHBURN. DEARBORN coordinated the policy stuff in town. DEARBORN is now a Deputy Chief at the White House and his deputy, MASHBURN, is over cabinet affairs in the White House. CLOVIS had a good relationship with DEARBORN and MASHBURN. UNCLASSIFIED Hege? (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag 10 of 12 When asked about who took over the foreign policy team when CLOVIS transitioned out, he explained KUSHNER, KELLOGG and handled foreign policy. CLOVIS was asked who setup the meeting between TRUMP and el?Sisi. TRUMP said it was probably arranged through KUSHNER. b3 OBAMA and ROMNEY had done foreign trips but CLOVIS didn't think that was right for TRUMP. At one point in the interview, CLOVIS expressed that he didn't know how foreign leaders got TRUMP's phone number. Convention The Republican National Committee (RNC) asked CLOVIS to go to the Convention. CLOVIS hadn't planned on going but was asked to attend to handle media. CLOVIS does not recall who from the RNC called asking him to attend the Convention. CLOVIS booked his trip so late he couldn't get a plane ticket and had to take the train instead. CLOVIS arrived at the Convention on Monday morning at 3 checked into his hotel and was on T.V. by 6 a.m. CLOVIS mostly did media while he was there. Wednesday or Thursday was his last day and he was able to sleep in that day because he didn't have to be anywhere until 10 or 11 a.m. CLOVIS was on a panel at the ambassador event at Case Western. It involved the foreign diplomatic corps and a bunch of ambassadors and was setup by the RNC. CLOVIS said only the Australian ambassador talked to CLOVIS because the ambassador had talked about having CLOVIS to his home. SESSIONS may have been there earlier in the week. CLOVIS then went into Cleveland, packed his room and went to an EU Parliament which had campaign reps for both parties. CLOVIS was asked about changes to the GOP platform regarding Ukraine. CLOVIS was shocked to hear about the change because he thought the campaign was "threading the needle" when it came to Ukraine. CLOVIS explained that they had stopped talking to him about foreign policy by UNCLASSIFIED Mew (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E 11 of 12 Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag this time though. CLOVIS didn't think the change was in line with TRUMP's stance. CLOVIS thought their plan was to support Ukraine in their independence by engaging their NATO allies. CLOVIS is concerned PUTIN is trying to establish a Soviet empire. CLOVIS thought the plan was to surround Ukraine with a NATO presence. CLOVIS does not know who was on the platform committee. Transition Team CLOVIS was in Florida until the day before the election and returned to b6 b7C Iowa. CLOVIS remembers was surprised that TRUMP won on election night. CLOVIS became a Policy Director for the transition team after the election. DEARBORN called him after the election around November 19 or 20 to ask when CLOVIS was going to report to the office. DEARBORN told CLOVIS someone was supposed to call CLOVIS to arrange for him to come to D. C. CLOVIS had received a call from someone about his pay but they did not discuss him going to D.C. CLOVIS waited until after Thanksgiving to go to D.C. CLOVIS led the "beachhead team" in on Inauguration Day. (Note: It is known to the Agents the campaign utilized this military terminology to refer to differing aspects of the transition team.) CLOVIS explained that he's the only one who got out of the campaign without any scars. CLOVIS said he didn't want to work in the White House. CLOVIS is happy with the position he's been nominated for at the Department of Agriculture. He said the democrats have been holding up his nomination but is confident it will go through eventually. CLOVIS said his role at the Department of Agriculture is to keep the promises TRUMP made during the campaign. Communications CLOVIS utilized the email accountsl land for the campaign. He also has an email from his b6 education days that he still uses, I but he did not b7C utilize it for the campaign. He utilized his cell phone number He took down Facebook and Twitter for the campaign. So he was not utilizing these during that time. b3 UNCLASSIFIED #er (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Clovis on 10/03/2017 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag 12 of 12 b3 UNCLASSIFIED b7E FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 5 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 12/01/2017 SAMUEL HARVEY CLOVIS JR., date of birth (DOB) was approached. b6 by lon 10/03/2017 at his place of b7C employment, U.S. Department of Agriculture, 1400 Jefferson Drive, DC after being previously interviewed that same day. After Washington, the agents identified themselves, CLOVIS provided the following information: b3 b3 CLOVIS was asked who took over handling the foreign policy team and replied that he didn't know who took it over. CLOVIS explained that land J.D. GORDON tried to keep the group together. CARTER PAGE and GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS were not involved with the campaign team. They were not players in the campaign. I I b6 PAGE wasn't even at the March 31, 2016 b7C meeting. CLOVIS thought Iwas cultivating that b3 group. MICHAEL ELYNN, KEITH KELLOGG andl went to work in the New York office. On occasion JARED KUSHNER would send things to CLOVIS as well. RICK DEARBORN handled policy. Investigationon 10/03/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# I Date drafted 10/16/2017 va I I b. b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}'223 i (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Second interview of Clovis on 10/03 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag 2 Of 5 PAGE had interactions with JASON MILLER about his speaking engagements. PAGE and PAPADOPOULOS were told to stand down. PAPADOPOULOS understood he was not supposed to outrun his headlights. Both PAGE and PAPADOPOULOS represented themselves as members of the campaign but they were not. PAGE and PAPADOPOULOS were energy experts and the campaign was in need of energy experts. TRUMP wanted improved relations with Russia. The "bromance" TRUMP had with PUTIN bothered CLOVIS but the press and the public fed on it. CLOVIS felt like he had to cleanup after with a shovel because TRUMP played up his bromance with PUTIN for the publicnoted that they weren't connected to anyone in New York and CLOVIS wasn't rude enough to tell them to stop bothering him. CLOVIS also mentioned that he had brought them on to the team in the first place. PAPADOPOULOS was always trying to work something. So he kept pushing it and CLOVIS kept telling him no. CLOVIS was stringing him along. b3 b3 UNCLASSIFIED FSHO FBK igw1278}-2232 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E (U) Second interview of Clovis on 10/03 ,On 10/03/2017 Jag UNCLASSIFIED (Rev. 05-08-10) UNCLASSIFIED Anew WE (U) Second interview of Clovis on 10/03 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2017 ,011 10/03/2017 ,Page 4 Of 5 CLOVIS was asked about emails regarding an "unofficial trip" tO Russia which were discussed in a Washington Post article. CLOVIS indicated this was info he was not privy to. CLOVIS said he doesn't know who would have authorized such meetings but he never gave PAPADOPOULOS any indication to setup meetings. CLOVIS went into more detail about the March 31, 2016 meeting at Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. CLOVIS has no recollection about a meeting with Russia coming up. CLOVIS explained that each person went around the room and introduced themselves in order of where they were seated and each person only had time to say their name and where they were from and not much else. PHARES introduced himself, then KEITH KELLOGG, b6 I an individual CLOVIS couldn't identify, JAMES b7C CARAFANO, JEFF SESSIONS, J.D. GORDON, another unknown individual and a business man SESSIONS brought along. TRUMP spent a lot Of time talking left less time for those after him. GORDON didn't really say anything because he was nervous around TRUMP. GORDON was nervous around CLOVIS too. PAPADOPOULOS started b6 to talk and mentioned London but TRUMP or LEWANDOWSKI cut him Off because b7c they were running out Of time. say much. TRUMP recognized CLOVIS suggested PAPADOPOULOS may have mentioned meeting with RuSSia to someone else. CLOVIS said this was SO contrary to his beliefs that it may not have been mentioned to him if only for that reason. CLOVIS only attended this meeting. After that meeting, TRUMP stayed for a meeting with 15 business people and then a third meeting after with the Washington Post. CLOVIS was asked if he ever heard anyone discuss Russians having dirt on HILLARY CLINTON. CLOVIS said he wasn't aware Of that and if someone had that info they probably wouldn't bring it tO CLOVIS. CLOVIS pointed out that he was never asked to do anything untoward. Every meeting was above board. CLOVIS said he spent a lot of time deconstructing the polls to explain them to the candidate. The campaign was chaotic with LEWANDOWSKI being fired and PAUL MANAFORT coming on. There were lots Of late phone calls. CLOVIS just kept trying to do his job. HOPE HICKS and TRUMP's kidS liked CLOVIS. He would campaign and talk tO influential supporters. ability to keep his head down and move on is why CLOVIS stayed around. UNCLASSIFIED frees- FBK i-gmi (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Second interview of Clovis on 10/03 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2017 ,011 10/03/2017 ,Page 5 Of 5 b3 b3 b3 CLOVIS proposed a recommendation that in the future any paid members of a campaign be required to submit notification of contact with any foreign officials. CLOVIS further explained how Russia can be very sneaky and will try to distract you on one side while sneaking by you on the other side. They will use any mechanism they can. CLOVIS fought them for years. CLOVIS didn't feel like there was anything going on with the campaign though. Looking back, he can't say for sure if that's true. 136 b7C CLOVIS asked the agentsl since he had cooperated. He was concerned about his travel plans and indicated he planned on leavingl and returning to agreed tol Ibut said they would contact him b3 later with information I UNCLASSIFIED /-Fer- rq3-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1. C>f 1.8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/22/2018 RICHARD HANNAH DAVIS (DAVIS) was interviewed at the Office of Special Counsel, Washington, DC on Eebraury 8, 2018. Present for the duration of the interview were FBI Special AgentI I Forensic Accountant b6 I I and Special Counsel Attorneys Kyle Freeny and Greg Andres. b7C Also present was attorneysI Iof the law firm Petrillo, Klin Boxer LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, DAVIS provided the following information: DAVIS was advised his participation in the interview was voluntary. DAVIS was also advised he needed to be truthful in his answers and lying to a federal agent could constitute a federal crime. DAVIS acknowledged his rights and obligations. Background I IAfter being involved in campaigns in Alabama and Mississippi, he got more involved in politics and came to Washington, DC. He became involved with the College Republican National Committee during 1980 when Reagan was nominated. He worked with LEE ATWATER organizing small campaigns for b6 Reagan. He ended up working as White House staff. DAVIS worked for the b7c Department of Health and Human Services in a role as White House Liaison and was involved in speech writing. When he left the administration, he worked with] land PAUL MANAEORT (MANAFORT) as consultants managing a senate campaign in Virginia. During the Reagan administration, DAVIS worked in the Department of Interior as well as the Commerce Department. DAVIS worked for Thomas Barrack (BARRACK) where he was introduced to MANAEORT. He worked for ATWATER again during Reagan?s 1984 reelection campaign. Afterwards, he did domestic policy work for Reagan. In 1987, he left and joined BLACK, MANAFORT, STONE AND KELLY. This was first time working with MANAEORT, but he had known him previously. He started as an associate in the firm and then was promoted to junior partner. The firm was bi-partisan. In the early 19908, BLACK, MANAEORT, STONE AND KELLY was Investigationon 02/08/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 254 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 2 of 18 Page sold to Burson?Marstellar. He stayed for about four years before he left the firm in the mid-19905. He set up a new firm, DAVIS, MANAFORT FREEDMAN. ROGER STONE also worked at the new company. This evolved into DAVIS MANAFORT INC. Around the end of the 19908, DAVIS MANAFORT was really just MANAFORT and DAVIS and they mostly did foreign consulting as there was more money involved in foreign consulting. When needed, they hired contractors. DAVIS wanted the company to stay small. He did not like the atmosphere of large firms and managing people. The firm did some corporate work domestically. Most of this was There was no paid political campaign work domestically. MANAFORT was not involved with any domestic work, only foreign work. The firm?s foreign footprint went way back to BLACK, MANAFORT, STONE AND KELLY. MANAFORT had done work in Africa and the Philippines in the past. DAVIS did not get involved with foreign work until later. In the late 19805, DAVIS took his first international trip to Argentina. MANAFORT was working on the presidential campaign there. DAVIS went back occasionally for political work. MANAFORT did most of the foreign work for the firm. ATWATER also had foreign workU.S. administrations. STONE also did some foreign work. DAVIS MANAFORT Entities DAVIS MANAFORT, INC was DAVIS and first entity. It was a Corp. DAVIS MANAFORT PARTNERS, INC. (DMP) was formed later. DAVIS could not recall why they needed the partnership structure. DAVIS was not involved with DMP INTERNATIONAL LLC. JOHN HANNAH JOHN HANNAH was a pre?DMP entity. It was created when DAVIS, MANAFORT, others were buying vacation homes in Wintergreen, VA. b5 Originally, DAVIS and MANAFORT purchased a home together, but then b7c MANAFORT bought a separate place and DAVIS had to help pay the mortgage on the place he and MANAFORT had originally purchased together. JOHN HANNAH began buying raw land on the mountain from developers. The entity was used as an investment vehicle particularly for real estate purchases. Initially, it was just Wintergreen properties, but they expanded into flipping properties, buying and selling five or six properties. When they had excess capital from DMP, they put it into JOHN HANNAH and invested it. Sometimes, excess revenue was sent directly to the JOHN HANNAH account. Trump Tower Purchase I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 ,Page 3 of 18 The Trump Tower condo purchase was after they cashed out of Wintergreen. MANAFORT found the condo and bought it without DAVIS seeing it. The condo was used for business. MANAFORT used the condo more often. They used the condo for personal trips as well. MANAFORT handled the real estate transactions. The condo was purchased with income received from DMP. MCCAIN Campaign Around 1999 to 2000, DAVIS began his relationship with MCCAIN and joined his presidential campaign. DAVIS took a leave of absence from DAVIS MANAFORT. relationship with MCCAIN has continued through the present. He returned to DAVIS MANAFORT in early 2000 after the primaries and worked there until 2006 when he returned to work for second presidential campaign. DAVIS remained working with MCCAIN until he lost the election in November 2008. When he was done with the MCCAIN campaign, he met with MANAFORT and they decided to part ways and so began the unwinding DMP. PEGASUS After parting with MANAFORT, DAVIS restarted his relationship with Craig b5 Cogut at Pegasus Captial and began working for them as a partner around b7C is still with them as a partner. There are four partners. DAVIS is not a financial professional, but functions as an operating partner with a network of consultants, advisors, and researchers. DAVIS is involved withl DAVIS was introduced to Pegasus by I He was first b6 introduced tol lwas a New York finance b7c guy. did not have anything in common except their shared interest in environmental issues. DAVIS had previously done environmental defense work. In 2009, DAVIS and Italked regarding the need for investing funds in b6 the environmental spaceJ hitched Pegasus as fund for sustainable b7c markets, and DAVIS decided to join the firm. DAVIS did some previous work for Pegasus which involved helping with the b6 b7C FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 4 of 18 Page b6 b7C transition from politics to private equity was difficult. DAVIS was looking for a career change. He did not want to work in Washington, DC or with MANAFORT anymore. The MCCAIN campaign was bruising for DAVIS. There were attacks on lobbyists. DAVIS was attacked by the Obama campaign for doing work as a lobbyist. DAVIS did not like being in the spotlight. There were moments during the MCCAIN campaign when MANAFORT wanted to be involved but DAVIS said no because of background. ego was bruised badly because he could not get into the MCCAIN campaign. When DAVIS got out of campaign, he learned that only client was the Party of Regions and Victor Yanukovych. That was not appealing to DAVIS. MANAFORT only wanted to do foreign work. There was tension between DAVIS and MANAFORT after the campaign. Prior to the MCCAIN campaign, DAVIS had a close relationship with MANAFORT. They spent a lot of time together, invested together and their families were close. After Black, MANAFORT Stone and Kelly was bought out, Black and Kelly stayed with the firm, but MANAFORT, DAVIS, and STONE left to start their new company. Party of Regions/Ukraine WOrk When asked why he did not want to participate in Party of Regions /Yanukovych work, DAVIS said he wanted a change of venue. He wanted to get out of politics. He could not reconcile being a MCCAIN guy and working for Yanukovych. MCCAIN had always been Russia?s worst enemy in the U.S. Senate and Yanukovych was puppet. MANAFORT was knee deep in Yanukovych?s resurrection. Other entities DAVIS could not recall the entity Vernon View Partnerssaid it could have been an entity that DAVIS and MANAFORT shared. was a company organized by MANAFORT and DAVIS around the end of 2005 or early 2006. They realized the Republican Party had done a poor job in (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 ,Page 5 of 18 the intelligence and data gathering business. There was little investment from the Republican Party in infrastructure, such as data gathering and the computerization of campaigns. MANAFORT and DAVIS invested in data and computerization, and social media. They hired a few people, and the MCCAIN campaign became the company?s first client. became a vendor for the campaign involved with voter data and internet advertising. The connection to DAVIS got press attention because of position with the campaign as the campaign chairman. As the chairman, DAVIS had an overarching position running the campaign and was more involved with strategy, recruiting, and fundraising. He was not involved in day to day operations. was let go when the campaign was ultimately shut down in 2008. When asked if was a way to monetize his position on the campaign, DAVIS said yes. It was not unusual for this type of monetizing. DAVIS was not responsible for hiring by MCCAIN. He presented the company. There was no comparable firms. It was a revolutionary idea. did some work in Virginia for legislative racesprofitable, and DAVIS ended up losing money on There was no relationship between and JOHN however, JOHN HANNAH could have invested in but DAVIS could not recall. In the early 20005, MANAFORTI I IMANAFORT embarked upon outside projects. He had a movie companyl I I always had the biggest house and fanciest car, and had expensive suits. Working with MANAFORT was stressful. He had an aggressive approach, but that was MANAFORT, he had an edge, and it worked. In the early 2000s, understanding was that only source of income was DAVIS MANAFORT. DAVIS MANAFORT of KWC was also involved until DAVIS left. LOAV was another one of entities. DAVIS was not involved with the company. It was used for side projects. When asked if DAVIS knew if money transferred between LOAV and JOHN HANNAH, DAVIS said it might have since LOAV was investment vehicle. There could have been transfers into and out of either JOHN HANNAH or DMP or both companies. Funds were comingled. DAVIS assumed DMP funds were coming from other sources. MANAFORT never shared where money was coming from. b7E b6 b7C b6 b7C F??i??01278}2258 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFILSOZof When asked if MANAFORT borrowed money from DAVIS, (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview On 02/08/20l8 ,Page he said no, but MANAFORT took more than his share from the company. DAVIS would usually find out from was buddyl I seemed close with MANAEORT and got MANAEORT into international activities. Igot MANAEORT into fancy suits and high living. When asked why he thoughtl Iwas giving MANAFORT money, people. DAVIS said it was a rumor that DAVIS had heard from other For example, I DAVIS did not know the nature of business or investments He only knewl I DAVIS became a partner with MANAEORT. DAVIS first met MANAEORT around 1977 to 1978 when he was chairman for the College Republic National Committee in Alabama. I ATWATER, for Young Republicans to lobby. Republicans. MANAEORT was running phone banks. Ihe met young republicans, connected with MANAFORT, and STONE through when he went to Memphis on a WHIP STONE was the chairman of the Young In 1981 or 1982, he got closer to MANAEORT during the Virginia senate rate. Rick Gates (GATES) GATES worked for BLACK, MANAFORT, driver. lotterv companv, was a clientJ STONE, AND KELLY. DAVIS did not know how he got hired. GATES worked as a land MANAFORT were close as well going back to the early days of political life. GATES left MANAEORT was looking to hire because DAVIS andl Iwere leaving. MANAEORT hired GATES. DAVIS and GATES knew each other but never really worked together. overlapped for a couple of months. with GATES for scheduling, The only DAVIS has communicated GATES was not Over the years, but he always messed it up. very organized. DAVIS and MANAEORT invested in Washington Nationals tickets together, which they kept until last year when MANAEORT dropped out and did not pay the bill. DAVIS he was dropping out, I MANAFORT did not notify he just didn?t pay the bill. Foreign Work b7C F??i??01278}225? b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 ,Page 7 of 18 Montenegro was last foreign gig. Montenegro was the last bit of Yugoslavia under Serbian rule. At the time, DAVIS was working withI I b6 b7C in Eastern Euriope. I DERIPASKA was the largest business owner in Montenegro. He owned power and aluminum plants. DERIPASKA, b6 wanted to invest in Montenegro. They bought a navy base on the b7C coast and converted it to super yacht port. They asked DAVIS to get involved in Montenegro?s independence referendum. DAVIS and MANAFORT worked on the election and referendum campaign which occurred in early 2006. DAVIS was more involved than in Eastern Europe at the DAVIS to be a political ?risk adjuster.? He wanted information on first generation election countries. making investments in Eastern Europe and wanted DAVIS to meet with politicians and corporate heads and look at assets. This work occurred around 2004 to 2006.I I b6 b7A DAVIS sometimes met with politicians and sometimes took surveys. DAVIS b7C made the phone calls, set up the meetings, gave advice, did some research on stability and government, and political in London was a client of DMP. DAVIS a friend in early 2004. DAVIS could not recall b5 who the friend was. The friend had called DAVIS and said he had a client b7C who wanted to meet him in New York the next da . DAVIS went to Atticus Capital, a hedge fund in New York, and explained what he wanted.I Isaid he had found DAVIS on Google. DAVIS started working withI Ione month later. DAVIS first met DERIPASKA in London at lunch. DAVIS believed it was around the end of 2004. introduced DERIPASKA as his friend and board b6 member doing business together in Russia and Eastern Europe. DERIPASKA b7C seemed to have an interesting background. DAVIS learned DERIPASKA was IDERIPASKA was an aluminum magnate, bigger than Alcoa. He was on an acquisition binge. DAVIS mostly met DERIPASKA at meetings in Moscow. He met with him about four times. business focus was aluminum. He bought aluminum plants all over the investing in various real b6 estate. One example was an old Bulgarian train station. DERIPASKA and b7c some shared business, including power companies. FBK 19901 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview On 02/08/20l8 Eng 8 of 18 MANAFORT was not involved DERIPASKA until late 2005 or b5 2006. DAVIS introduced DERIPASKA to MANAFORT. They did some work together. we DERIPASKA became a client of DMP. They were paid by for work in Montenegro. DAVIS was not clear how they divided up payments. He knew wires were coming in. For example, they would send an invoice to or DERIPASKA, and then a wire would come in from overseas to a DMP account in US, and they had to figure out from whom. DAVIS said there was an account set up in the Seychelles many years earlier, but it was shut down and they were not using it. In Montenegro, they were just paid for the independence referendum. They b6 were paid land DERIPASKA. b7C In wanted to look at assets and assess political environment and ability to invest. I . IDAVIS got to know the President of Georgia who wantedl investment. There was minimal commercial growth in the country and still Russian influence and :30 recovering from revolution. was considering buvinGI I The President had an issue with 1 Iended up not buying itl b6 b7A b7C DAVIS did not b6 do any political consulting work in Georgia. DAVIS got to know the many b7C people in the Georgian government who was made up mostly of Georgia ex? expats, but he did not work on campaign there. DAVIS did not work in Uzbekistan, but he believed MANAFORT worked in one of the ?stans.? DAVIS did not think DMP worked in the ?stans.? They only worked in Montenegro and Ukraine. work in the Ukraine began prior to the 2006 b6 and DAVIS fly to Kiev for the election of Yanukovych versus Yuschenko. b7C They had meetings with people associated with KUCHMA, the existing FBK 19901 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 ,Page 9 of 18 president of Ukraine. I be b7C so he wanted to get a sense of the election. His people were friends of Kuchma. DAVIS learned about the split dynamic between the east and the west in Ukrainian politics. DAVIS read through surveys and polls and got a sense for what was happening in elections. There was an assumption that YANUKOVYCH would get the job and be successor. KUCHMA was leaving office, but he was coy regarding his support for YANUKOVYCH. At the time, the Ukrainian economy was doing well and the country was more unified. DAVIS met with legislators who were members of the Party of Regions. 8 assessment was that it ?smelled bad.? People wanted change. That was clear from polling data. Everyone was saying YANUKOVYCH was going to win. DAVIS didn?t think so because people wanted change. DAVIS he that there was instability and YANUKOVYCH may not win. DAVIS left without b7C plans to do future work in Ukraine. After DAVIS left Kiev, around the time of the election, there were new polls, alarmed by the results. DAVIS sentI Ito Ukraine to monitor the elections. This was when the Orange Revolution happened. YANUKOVYCH claimed the win, but the validity of the elections were challenged and the results overturned. DAVIS did not do any more work in Ukraine and never went back to Ukraine. Beginning in late 2006, DAVIS started working with MCCAIN more. MANAFORT got together withl and DERIPASKA and was introduced to b5 Rinat AKHMETOV (AHKMETOV). This was the beginning of relationship b7C with AHKMETOV. DAVIS said the work for AHKMETOV was a different kind of work, meaning not political consulting work. b4 When asked how DMP got involved in political work for the Party of Regions, DAVIS stated that AHKMETOV funded the Party of Regions. DMP got involved in political work for the Party of Regions branching from work done for AHKMETOV. After the Orange Revolution, the Party of Regions was not really active or doing anything. AHKMETOV and MANAFORT orchestrated a Party of Regions come back. During this time period, DAVIS was doing Montenegro and MCCAIN work, and was not in the Ukraine. Konstantin Kilimnik The first time that DAVIS met Konstantin Kilimnik (KILIMNIK) was in Moscow He was introduced by This was probably around the time b6 to Ukraine. b7C FBK 19w1278}-2252 (Rev. 05-08-10) I I 1073 (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 ,Page 10 of 18 When asked about Moscow office, DAVIS said Black MANAFORT Stone and Kelly had a Moscow office back in 1992, but DMP did not have an office there. DAVIS only went to Moscow to meet with DERIPASKA. DAVIS tried to put KILIMNIK in Montenegro but ended up not hiring him. He learned KILIMNIK was working for DMP in Ukraine DAVIS b6 described KILIMNIK as the guy.? KILIMNIK was referred as a potential b7C hire because he spoke Russian and had political experience. DAVIS later learned in the media that KILIMNIK was Army Intelligence. DAVIS did not particularly like I Cyprus When asked about work in Cyprus, DAVIS stated he did not work there. MANAFORT may have been involved in a campaign when lawyer was running for Prime Minister, but DAVIS was not involved. DAVIS did not know the name of lawyer. DAVIS never met with the lawyer and never went to Cyprus. DAVIS also did political work in Panama and Argentina in the early 2000s. Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) When asked about lobbying in the US, DAVIS stated he usedl Ias b6 a lawyer to look into FARA issues. He did not lobby much. Lobbying was not b7C part of business. DAVIS stated he did not do US outreach for Montenegro. DAVIS did have conversations with MANAFORT about FARA. They had frequent conversations regarding FARA when clients wanted to lobby lobbying in the US, but would hired firms to the work. DERISASKA and MCCAIN MCCAIN and DERIPASKA met on two occasions. The first time was in Davos around January 2006. They happened to be in the same place at the same time. During this first meeting, MCCAIN and DAVIS were in Davos together. DERIPASKA had a big had a big dinner at Cloisters, and b5 DERIPASKA was there. DAVIS introduced DERIPASKA to MCCAIN at that dinner. b7C They engaged in small talk. The second time MCCAIN and DERIPASKA met was in Montenegro around August 2006. MCCAIN was traveling in Eastern Europe with eight other US Senators. The Senators went to Georgia and then Montenegro. MCCAIN had been invited to Montenegro by the Prime Minister. While there, the President of FBK 19m1278}-2253 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 ll of 18 Page Montenegro threw a big party with government officials and others. When DERIPASKA the delegation was coming, they decided b5 to bring their yachts to the port in Montenegro, and they met MCCAIN after b7C the dinner party.l I It was a social meeting. DERIPASKA had a close relationship with and investments in Montenegro. There were no requests by Montenegro to reach out to US. They did not need US influence for the Montenegro referendum. Eurasia 21 Eurasia 21 was a DMP project. At the time, there was no easy way to know about current events in the news in Eastern Europe. They wanted to set up a web portal for Eastern Europe press reporting, translated to English and put online in order to aggregate news in one place. b6 the project but ultimately, it shut down. The website was set up by a b7C woman named a think tank in DC was hired to run the content. DERIPASKA was also involved in Eurasia 21. He knew about the project but did not fund it. The Eurasia Heritage Fund was something different. DERIPASKA was practical with his relationship with Russia and PUTIN. He knew PUTIN could give and take away and favor was practical to business. Basel (Basic Element) was holding company. DAVIS did not recall exactly but believed there were Basel offices in Moscow and London. DAVIS attended a Basel board meeting in London one time. involvement in other countries When asked if DERIPASKA funded anything other than Montenegro, DAVIS said he may have funded Georgia work as well as various activities, such as polling, in other countries. It was hard to determine who was paying what bill because overseas wires came from entities. It was unclear who the sender was and the description of work was not always listed on wires. Loans from DERIPASKA DAVIS was not aware of loans from DERIPASKA. MANAFORT talked about receiving loan, but DAVIS did not think any of the money coming in was actually a loan. MANAFORT said they were going to treat money as a loan from DERIPASKA, but DAVIS was concerned regarding this. DAVIS understood the purpose of treating the incoming funds as a loan was to shield income; however this was not explicitly said. DAVIS never saw a loan agreement. DAVIS stated DAVIS made a lot of money from DERIPASKA in the form of income, but they had never received a ?loan? from Deripaska before. b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 12 of 18 Page DERIPASKA did not loan money for Trump Tower. At the time, DERIPASKA and paying DMP for work DMP had done. b6 b7C DAVIS was referred to an email chain dated September 13, 2007 with the subject of (Exhibit 1) The email chain included a thread between MANAFORT AND copying and b5 I Iasked for more details about the loans from the b7C Ukrainian/Russian lender. MANAFORT responds stating ?this was a loan to JHI for investment purposes. They NY apt was such an investment.? DAVIS did not think it was a loan. DAVIS never saw the loan documents, was not aware of any loan terms and the loan was not repaid. Money received by DMP from DERIPASKA was for services. last communication with DERIPASKA was around October 2006. When MANAFORT and DAVIS were winding down their business together, there were discussions regarding the ?loans? to JOHN HANNAH and from a Russian lender. handled this because MANAFORT and DAVIS did not b6 communicate with each other very much at this time. DAVIS b7C did not think they were loans and if there were any loans on the books, DAVIS was suspicious of them. DAVIS MANAFORT could keep any of the assets derived from the ?loans?. Other Loans When asked if he was aware of other loans used to purchase assets, DAVIS stated that he did not know if the Traxys investment had been purchased with a loan, but it was bought by JOHN HANNAH. In the winding down, TII Holdings and JOHN HANNAH went to MANAFORT and Traxys went to DAVIS. DAVIS was not aware of promissory notes where he owed money to the business. DAVIS was shown promissory notes from 2005 and 2007 from DMP to DAVIS (Exhibit 2). DAVIS did not recall executing promissory notes and did not know why he would have a promissory note. He does not recall receiving the money or the promissory note. The amount of the promissory note in 2005, Iwas close to annual income from DMP. The amount of the b6 promissory note in 2007, was more than he believed he had b7C received in income that year. Funds received by DAVIS from DMP were income not loans. DAVIS would have seen ledgers for DMP and JOHN HANNAH prior to 2007. DAVIS used KWC to prepare his taxes. He does not ever recall seeing loans on the books of the company. DAVIS could not recall if he received distributions in 2008, but it was possible. DMP Income FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview On 02/08/2018 Eng 13 of 18 When DMP was winding not ask about the promissory notes, b6 or funds ?Due from Funds were divided 50/50 between MANAFORT and b7c DAVIS. During the years 2006 through 2008, DAVIS had quit taking salary from DMP. His distribution from DMP was from previous activity, not from new client funds. Some funds received would have gone directly to JOHN HANNAH instead of DMP. DAVIS was not aware of money going to LOAV unless MANAFORT would have directed that. b6 b7C last contact withl Iwas in New York. DAVIS ran into him six months ago. I was still in contact withl Iworked in Ifor have also done a little work inl I Funds received by Foreign Entities DAVIS was asked about $14 million to DMP from Vega Holdings in 2005, of b6 which DAVIS received did not know for b7C sure, but thought it might have been for work done for Akhmetov. When asked whether there were written contracts, DAVIS stated that it was routine to have contracts with corporate clients, but this was difficult with governments. DMP likely had a contract with AKHMETOV because it was a corporate project and they hired an accountant/law firms and needed to pay them. Political consulting contracts were divided into phase, but DAVIS did not know specifics on contracts with Ukraine as he did not work on Ukraine. When asked about ANTES MANAGEMENT, DAVIS did not recall why DMP was paid by the company. When asked about SCM, DAVIS said it could have related to AKHMETOV. When asked about NEOCOM SYSTEMS and ALGEMES SOLUTIONS, DAVIS did not recall why they were being paid by these entities. PERICLES PERICLES was an outgrowth of activities in Eastern Europe. I Iwas not that interested in b6 investing in the venture because he had his own hedge fund. DAVIS and b7A MANAFORT did not know much about private equity so they reached out to b7c F??i??01278}2255 (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 Jag IThey launched the fund, documents were executed and opportunities were looked at. DAVIS did not go to Ukraine or Poland to look for investments because he left to work for the MCCAIN campaign. By the time DAVIS had finished working for MCCAIN, MANAFORT said PERICLES was done. MANAFORT said DAVIS did not know about b7A DAVIS was not aware that investments were made. He learned of the investments through the Cayman Islands lawsuit. DAVIS did not have discussions with MANAFORT regarding the lawsuit or the deposition in connection with the lawsuit. MANAFORT had told DAVIS that around November I I IDAVIS did not speak withl I b6 regarding the investments. DAVIS has not spoken around 2006. When asked if he spoke the matter, DAVIS out. DAVIS had spoken with him in the spring of 2009. Cyprus Bank Accounts DAVIS was not aware of the Cypriot bank accounts. DAVIS was not aware of any accounts set up in the Cayman Islands. When DAVIS left, there were no Cayman accounts set up. Other Contacts DAVIS did not know whol Iwas. b6 b7C sounded familiar, but DAVIS did not know him. aI Iwho had worked with MANAFORT b5 on Ukraine stuff. DAVIS has not had contact a decade. b7C I Iwas DAVIS was not aware b6 of any work she did for DMP. b7C A few years ago, DAVIS became aware that MANAFORT was using name after he left the company. MANAFORT did not ask permission. DAVIS called RICK GATES and told him not to use his name or his initials. F??i??01278}2257 (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 Jag 15 of 18 Iworked for DMP and had previously worked for DAVIS as an intern for MCCAIN work in involved in Montenegro, the Panama Presidential Campaign, and Ukraine. DMP to work on MCCAIN campaign. MANAFORT had a relationship as very close friends. They were involved in some business together. There was a project involving insurance in Virginia. DAVIS did not know whol Iwas. DAVIS said he had not metl land had no business with him. DAVIS did not meet SERHIY LYVOCHKIN, VICTOR YANUKOVYCH, or RINAT AKHMETOV. DAVIS knew MANAFORT worked for AKHMETOV as the Party of Regions. AKHMETOV was the Party of Regions post?Yuschenko election and the Orange Revolution. Mame dated July 1, 2005 from MANAFORT and DAVIS to DERIPASKA regarding ?Work Plan" 3) When shown the memo, DAVIS did not specifically recall the document, but he had no reason to believe it was not sent to him. The purpose of the memo was to line up projects. Funding was project by project. DERIPASKA, MANAFORT and DAVIS met in Moscow probably three times. Some things in the memo materialized. Georgia and Ukraine materialized. DAVIS was not aware if Tajikistan materialized. MANAFORT possibly did some work thereb7A b7C FBK 19901 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 Jag 16 of 18 DERIPASKA never retained DMP to do lobbying in the US. He was not looking for this service. When asked if DMP hired Akin Gump, DAVIS did not know of this. When asked if they hired Project Associates, DAVIS stated they were hired for communications and public relations work in Montenegro but not centric campaign. DAVIS said there never was a Moscow DMP office. When asked why the Moscow office was referenced, DAVIS stated that KILIMNIK worked for DMP, and he was in Moscow. MEmo dated July 1, 2006 from MANAFORT to DERIPASKA regarding ?Work Plan and Model" ZExhibit 4) DAVIS was shown a memo from July 2006 from MANAFORT and DAVIS to DERIPASKA. DAVIS generally recalled the document, but not the specifics. DAVIS commented it looked like a draft because the work was not completed. The document was likely written by MANAFORT. Generally, MANAFORT would write proposals and plans. DAVIS did not know who the ?Basel Officials? were. DAVIS met with DERIPASKA directly when met with Basel. MANAEORT may have met with other officials at Basel. When asked about the reference to Ukraine, DAVIS said Ukraine was the economic driver in the region, but DERIPASKA was not that interested in Ukraine. DERIPASKA was friends with people associated with the Party of Regions such as AKHMETOV and YANUKOVYCH, but DERIPASKA was not actively involved in Ukraine politics. That was turf. When asked about work in Georgia and ??stan? countries, DAVIS stated that by the time of this memo, DAVIS was done in Georgia. The work in the ?stans? did not come to fruition. When asked why foreign politicians and businessmen were hiring DMP, DAVIS stated that they thought DMP was smarter. When asked about the reference to the Eurasia Heritage Fund, DAVIS did not know exactly what this was referring to. This was not the Eurasia 21 website. It may have been an NGO or a think tank. DAVIS said it was not a fund or a charitable entity. There were no conversations regarding this type of entity being used for this work. Russian NGO BLACK, MANAFORT, STONE AND KELLY, had a rich history in Russia. They helped set up the stock exchange and cabinet. In the early 19808, the post? FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/20l8 Jag 17 of 18 Soviet era, there were conversations about the development of institutions and NGO development because Russia did not have any. DAVIS did not know if anything ever materialized. DAVIS also recalled conversations about public policy and social responsibility by the Russian elite. Relations with Russia were different in those times. It was more friendly. Oguster DAVIS did not recall who Oguster was. He was not familiar with the entity. Email dated August 29, 2016 from DAVIS tol lof KWC ?Re: RKD Partners pending questions" 55 In the email, Iasked DAVIS about the status ofl b6 b7C When asked if had ever been paid via stock or shares, DAVIS stated that he asked for this but never received it. DAVIS wanted equity position, but was not offered one. T-II Holdings and IGPS were part of the Traxys portfolio of Pegasus. JOHN HANNAH invested in these companies. When JOHN HANNAH wound down, DAVIS ended up with and DAVIS and MANAFORT split IGPS 50/50. Executed Termination Document of JOHN HANNAH (Exhibit 6) DAVIS was shown an executed termination document of JOHN HANNAH. DAVIS stated it was his signature on the document. He did not recall the document specifically, but he had no reason to believe it was not the actual document. DAVIS did not recall the assumption of the Russian lender debt b6 DAVIS did not recall the debt, he signed the document b7c saying he was assuming the debt. DAVIS stated that this did sound familiar, but the goal was to get MANAFORT to take on the Russian lender debt. When asked if this put on books, DAVIS assumed so he When asked why he agreed to assume the debt, DAVIS said MANAFORT told him DERIPASKA had loaned them money. DAVIS questioned this. DAVIS stated that there was no loan. DERIPASKA paid them fees; he did not lend money. When asked how he FBK 19w12'7832-2270 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Richard Hannah Davis Interview ,On 02/08/2018 18 of 18 ,Page ended up with the debt, DAVIS said he did not know. DAVIS thought this was irrelevant because he did not believe there was a loan and did not believe they owed any money. YIAKORA VENTURES DAVIS had not heard of YIAKORA. JOHN HANNAH DAVIS believes JOHN HANNAH was re?incorporated by MANAFORT in Florida after they separated. DAVIS learned this from the indictment. MEmo from MANAFORT to AKHMETOV dated June 2, 2005 with the subject ?Re: Major Development in US Government 50s1t10n on Ukraine Re?Privatization" DAVIS did not recall MANAFORT contacting the National Security Council (NSC) about the re-privatization issue. MANAFORT did not ever lobby directly for anyone. He had relationships. DAVIS was not sure if MANAFORT had a point of contact on the NSC at the time. It was not unlike MANAFORT to ask someone to ask someone for him. DAVIS did not know specifically who his contacts were because MANAFORT had been out of domestic business for a long time. Additional Contacts When asked about DAVIS stated he knew he b7C them well. When asked about ROHRABACHER, DAVIS said MANAFORT knew ROHRABACHER from the 1980s during freedom fighter days of the Angolan war. DAVIS did not know if MANAFORT and ROHRABACHER maintained their acquaintance. DAVIS did not know of a relationship between AKHMETOV and Russia. FBK -l of 5- IUD-302 Glev.5-8-10) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Daedqu 01/24/2018 b6 b7C DIANA DESTINE DENMAN, date of birth social security account numberl was interviewed at the FBI Special Counsel's Office, 395 Street SW, Washington, D.C. on December 4, 2017. Present for the interview were I Special Counsel Attorney Aaron Supervisory Special Agentl After being advised Zelinsky, and attorney, of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, DENMAN provided the following information: b5 per DOJXOIP b5 per b5 per DOJXOIP b5 per District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Investiga?onon 12/04/2017 at Washington, File# I Datedrafted 12/04/2017 b6 b7C by I I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not b7E (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Diana Denman on l2/04 ,On 12/04/2017 2 Of 5 When DENMAN proposed her amendment, J.D. GORDON Iapproached the chairmen. MATTHEW MILLER may have gone with GORDONDENMAN then confirmed GORDON told her he was on the phone with TRUMP. I b5 per I She recalled GORDON telling her he had to clear it and he was "talking to New York." DENMAN explained that her amendment came up again later in the committee meeting I b5 per UNCLASSIFIED Mei-Io FBK i'gm'12'YSIr?2273 (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Diana Denman on 12/04 /2017 3011 12/04/2017 ,Page 3 of 5 was more discussion about changing the wording of her b5 per amendment. from the chairmen. She recalled discussion of the use of "lethal force", likely per b7E FBK igw12'7832?2274 (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Diana Denman on 12/04 /2017 3011 12/04/2017 ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Diana Denman on 12/04 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2017 ,011 12/04/2017 ,Page 5 Of 5 b5 per UNCLASSIFIED Nose FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/13/2017 (UH?Ee-sea Diana Destine DENMAN, date of birth (DOB) social security account numberI I was interviewed by I at the FBI San Antonio Field Office on June 7, 2017. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, DENMAN provided the following information: DENMAN was a Republican delegate for the state of Texas at the 2016 Republican National Convention (RNC) in Cleveland, Ohio. DENMAN was a delegate for Senator Ted Cruz. Although first a Cruz delegate, DENMAN stated she nevertheless supported Trump due to her duty to her country and the Republican Party. DENMAN first participated in a Republican National Convention 1980 in Detroit, Michigan, but she wasn't officially a delegate until the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, Texas. DENMAN noted she foolishly did not run for the Platform Committee in 1984 but she wishes she had. DENMAN did not participate in subsequent national conventions until the 2016 RNC. DENMAN noted this 2016 RNC was personally important to her due to her belief of the poor current state of US national security policy. DENMAN informed the interviewing agents she ?worked her contacts? to make certain she was on a subcommittee that mattered to her. Therefore DENMAN landed on the national security and defense subcommittee, officially named America Resurgent. (U/feese) DENMAN advised approximately one to two weeks before the RNC she received a phone call from Matthew Miller. According to DENMAN, Miller stated he was hired by the Trump Campaign and wanted to touch base regarding the national security and defense subcommittee and he offered to help in her in any way he could. DENMAN stated she was gracious during the phone call but told Miller she didn't need any help. (U/ffe?e+ According to DENMAN, she received an email when arriving in Cleveland for the RNC from Washington, DC delegate Rachel HOFF. DENMAN Investigationon 06/07/2017 at San Antonio, Texas, United States (In Person) File# I I Datedrafted 06/07/2017 byI I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 277 (Rev. 05-08-10) b3 b7E Interview of Diana Destine ,On 06/07/2017 2 Of 4 informed the interviewing agents she did not reply to Hoff?s email but Hoff proposed discussing with DENMAN and women issues regarding the military and national security. (U/ffe?e+ DENMAN discussed her long?standing involvement in emerging democracies around the world which started for her during the Reagan Administration. DENMAN stated she traveled to Honduras and Nicaragua in the 1980?s and then became an election observer in the Ukraine in 1998. The trip to the Ukraine for DENMAN took place between March and April 1998 on behalf of the US government but sent by the International Republican Institute. It was this experience in the Ukraine that formulated desire to assist the Ukrainian people after being ?invaded by the Russians?. DENMAN recalled she didn?t know most of the other ?players? in the subcommittee room. During the subcommittee meeting DENMAN offered an amendment, referred to by DENMAN as her "plank". DENMAN stated, due to her experience in the Ukraine in 1998 she was adamant about inserting language concerning US support to Ukrainian defense against Russia. DENMAN never expected this amendment to become an issue, as she stated she believed all Republicans would support it. DENMAN noted the national security and defense subcommittee was chaired by three chairmen who DENMAN referred to as the ?Tri?Chairs?. The Tri?Chairs consisted of delegatesl I b5 DENMAN recalled when she raised her amendment, there were two men sitting on the side of the room who stood up and walked over to the Tri?Chairs. The five men then talked together and reviewed some documents. DENMAN to be the "stronger one" of the Tri-Chairs. The five men then said they will table her amendment. DENMAN believes it was a consensus between the five men. At the time DENMAN didn't know why the five men would have a problem with her amendment. After the amendment was tabled, the issue didn?t come back around during the remainder of the subcommittee meeting. DENMAN did walk over to the two men who introduced themselves as Matthew Miller and J.D. Gordon (Gordon). DENMAN recalled Matthew Miller was gracious and reminded her he called her to see if he could help. DENMAN recalled Gordon informed her he was hired by the Trump campaign. DENMAN recalled, she believes she saw Gordon on his cellular telephone often once she had raised her amendment. When DENMAN and Gordon spoke, Gordon informed DENMAN he had to clear her amendment "with New York." DENMAN then asked Gordon the name of his person in New York and Gordon told her it was Donald Trump. DENMAN noted she only shared Trump's name as the guy in New York with the interviewing agents and refused to tell it to reporters when asked prior. DENMAN informed interviewing UNCLASSIFIED FBK 19m1278}?2278 (Rev. 05-08-10) b3 b7E Interview of Diana Destine ,On 06/07/2017 3 Of 4 agents, she is not sure if she believes him Gordon about speaking with Donald Trump. When asked why by the interviewing agents, DENMAN stated she can't understand how Trump would have the time to be on the phone with Gordon, especially during this period of the RNC. According to DENMAN, Gordon's specific issue with her amendment was with the inclusion of the "lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine" language in the amendment. DENMAN was adamant to have that language included as, based on her experience, the Ukrainians needed appropriate weaponry to counter the Russian aggression. DENMAN believed not putting in the lethal defensive weapons language would dramatically reduce the effectiveness of the US assistance provided to Ukraine. DENMAN made note it was mostly Gordon, not Miller, who pushed for her amendment to be tabled. DENMAN recalled she believes Gordon may have worked with Paul Manafort in the Ukraine, but she was not certain. DENMAN informed the interviewing agents she met Paul Manafort once in 1976 during his work in the Gerald Ford Campaign while she worked in the Ronald Reagan Campaign and doesn't recall seeing him since. DENMAN stated she preferred not to remove the ?lethal defensive weapons? language but would agree to do so if the rest of the language in her amendment stayed intact. (U/ffe?e+ DENMAN stated that at the meeting for the full Platform Committee, which she could not recall was later that afternoon or the next day, DENMAN told one of the Tri?Chairs that she didn't want anything to happen to her Ukraine Amendment. DENMAN then recalled discussion on the final platform happened behind an actual curtain with the Platform Committee leadership. The Platform Committee did insert Amendment, but removed the lethal defensive weapons language, "washed it down" according to DENMAN. DENMAN ended up voting for this final language. When asked why she thinks Miller called her prior to the RNC, DENMAN responded she did not know. (U/ffe??v When asked who else she think the FBI should interview, DENMAN stated Rachel Hoff. When asked if Miller or Gordon approached her at other times during the RNC, DENMAN replied "no and you can bet I wouldn't look out for them." When asked to reiterate that Gordon said he was on the telephone UNCLASSIFIED Elsi-Je- FBK ism-12783:-2279 (Rev. 05-08-10) b3 Interview of Diana Destine b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof Denman ,011 06/07/2017 ,Page 4 Of 4 with Trump, DENMAN replied "yes". According to DENMAN, she asked Gordon three times who he was on the phone with and he stated "Mr. Trump" all three times. DENMAN reiterated she can't understand how Trump would have the time to talk to Gordon on the phone. When asked if she recalled a transcriber or "court reporter? type" in the room, DENMAN replied she had no recollection, but she might not have noticed a transcriber due to where her seat was located. DENMAN informed the interviewing agents, she did not initiate any contact with the media. DENMAN also stated the media reports that she reached out to reporters were false. DENMAN maintains a list of every interview she does related to the RNC which she provided to the interviewing agents following the interview. DENMAN received the following appointments under President Ronald Reagan: l) Co?Chair Peace Corps. Advisory Council; and 2) National Museum Board. (U/ffe?e+ {Agents Note: Enclosed in a 1A Package are documents provided to agents by UNCLASSIFIED N?s-we FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 6- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 07/18/2018 On Friday, July 6, 2018, Thomas "Tad" Devine was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel by Senior Assistant Special Counsel Greg D. Andres, DOJ Senior Financial Investigator and FBI Forensic Accountantl Also present was Devine's attorney, be I IGarvey Schubert Barer, P.C., telephone number b7c After being advised the identities of the interviewing parties, Devine furnished the following information: Background: Devine has been a political media consultant/advisor since approximately 1980 when he worked on the President Jimmy Carter campaign. In addition to working on the Presidential campaigns for Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis and John Kerry, Devine served as the Chief of Staff for former Providence Mayor Joseph Paolino and was an Assistant to Boston University President b6 . . . . b7C DeVine also prov1ded serVices for apprOXimately 20 presidential elections outside of the United States. Most recently, Devine worked for Bernie SandersSince 1983, DeVine has been a partner in several political media b7C consulting firms. In or around 2007, Devine formed Devine In or around 2013 to form Devine Mulvey and Longabauch. Ukraine: . . b6 In or around 2005, of DaVis Manafort reached out to DeVine's b7C at Media Inc. to inquire about their interest in working in Ukraine. After speaking with Manafort on the telephone, Devine traveled to Ukraine and met with Manafort and the Party of Regions (POR). Devine recalled being impressed with the campaign team, b6 Investigationon 07/06/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A b7C 07 11 2018 File Date drafted b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 23 i (Rev. 05-08-10) Thomas "Tad" Devine July 6, ,On 07/06/2018 2 of 6 to include an outside election observer. He subsequently agreed to join the team to manage the media campaign for Manafort and the POR. Devine and his team initially signed up to work on the 2005?06 parliamentary elections, but also worked on subsequent parliamentary elections as well as the 2010 Presidential election. Other individuals who provided services for Manafort and the POR include hisl kmedia)J (media), I Pollster and Devine stopped working for Manafort and the POR after former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko was imprisoned in or around late 2011. However, a few people who worked for and with Devine, such as continued to work for Manafort and the POR. Devine only met Yanukovych at one of the media photo/video shoots. Devine never met Rinat Akhemetov, but knew from conversations with Manafort that Akhemetov was one of the principal fundraisers for the POR. Manafort told Devine that Akhemetov was funding the POR for Manafort's staff in the Ukraine included and Konstantin Kilimnik. Approximately 95% of Devine's work in the Ukraine involved producing media ads, to include short 30?second ads and a few half-hour pieces. Devine also wrote several speeches for Yanukovych, to include an economic speech and his 2010 political convention speech. For the 2010 Presidential election, Devine and his team were paid plus a win bonus. After the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution and the exile of President Viktor Yanukovych, Manafort's partner Rick Gates asked Devine to come back and meet with the new opposition block party. Devine stated he went back to Ukraine and did work for Manafort and Gates for one week. He was paid a total of Paul Manfortb7C 023? FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Thomas "Tad" Devine July 6, ContinuationofFD-SOZof 2018 a011 07/06/2018 ,Page 3 Of 6 Devine had a very good professional relationship with Manafort, but never really socialized with him. He described Manafort as was good to/with Devine. Devine's impression of Manafort while in the Ukraine was a positive one. While very demanding, he had an enormous challenge and worked very hard, day and night. While working in the Ukraine, Devine would see Manafort at breakfast and meetings at Manafort's office in Kiev. They might have also had a few dinners together. Manafort met regularly with Yanukovych and other POR Officials. Devine knew this from his conversations with Manafort. Devine described both Manafort and as his peers while in the Ukraine. Rick Gates: Rick Gates was Manafort's business guy who and was involved in all the campaigns, but more in a business aspect. Documents: Devine was shown the following documents: 1. Consulting Agreements between Devine related entities and Paul Manafort. Devine stated these were standard contracts where there would have been schedules attached hereto. Document 009 would have been the contract for the 2010 Ukraine Presidential Campaign. 2. Various memos regarding the media campaign in the Ukraine during 2005. Devine could tell from the memo structure that these were memos he authored. For memos written "from" both Devine and Manafort, Devine would author and Manafort would modify. Devine recalled Manafort liked Akhmethov. 3. Various Invoices from Devine/Mulvey/Longabaugh to Davis Manafort. Devine stated these were routine invoices that in the end got paid. Manafort never discussed "loans" with Devine. Gates would often tell Devine they (Davis Manafort) were expecting a new "traunche" and would be sending payment to Devine. b7A b7E b6 b7C b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED (Rev. 05-08-10) Thomas "Tad" Devine July 6, ContinuationofFD-SOZof 2018 a011 07/06/2018 ,Page 4 Of 6 4. Januarv 13, 2006, email conversation between Devine, Devine recalled this email was written after receivingl Ipolling data. Devine identified as an employee of Davis Manafort in Ukraine. 5. February 3, 2010, email conversation between Devine and Manafort regarding Election Night Speech. Devine recalled Manafort asked Devine to draft an election night speech for Yanukovych. Devine confirmed this the speech he drafted. 6. February 16, 2010, email conversation between Devine and Manafort regarding FYI. Devine stated this was a conversation about an agreed to bonus between Devine and Manafort for Yanukovych's victory. 7. August 12, 2010, Media Strategy and Presentation of Message Memo from PJM (Manafort) to Yanukovych with cc's bcc's tol IDevine confirmed this was a memo he authored and Manafort adopted. Devine was unsure of all the individuals identified It was Manafort's practice refer to everyone by their initials. by initials; have been a reference to 8. September 1, 2010, email conversation between Devine, ManafortP01n s. d' lk' Devine recalled these talking points were drafted for Yanukovych's convention speech. 9. August 15, 2011, email conversation between Devine, Gates, Meeting. Devine recalled Gates reached out to Devine to see if he could arrange a tour/meeting of the White House press office. Devine could not recall if he reached out to anyone. 10. September 20, 2011, email from to and regarding Ukraine First Draft. Devine recalled this was drafted in response to the attached polling data forwarded by of the Tarrance Group. 11. February 8, 2012, email conversation between Devine regarding Updating Website. As previously mentioned, Devine stopped working for Manafort and the FOR after the imprisonment asking Devine if he wanted to keep the reference to past work in Ukraine on their websiteb7C UNCLASSIFIED FBK ism-1273}-2234 (Rev. 05-08-10) Thomas "Tad" Devine July 6, ContinuationofFD-SOZof 2018 a011 07/06/2018 ,Page 5 Of 6 Devine further recalled being told by Gates that Manafort and the POR hired an outside law firm to conduct and independent review of the Tymoshenko's imprisonment. 12. April 2, 2012, email conversation between Devine, Gates andl kegarding Ukraine. Devine recalled Gates reached out to Devine andl Iregarding additional work in the Ukraine. As previously stated, Devine to stop doing work in Ukraine following the imprisonment of Tymoshenko. 13. August 6, 2012, email conversation between TAD (Devine) and Manafort at regarding Mamo. Devine recalled that although they were no longer working for Manafort and the POR, Manafort wanted to pick his brain and Devine also wanted to maintain his good relationship with Manafort. 14. November 27, 2013, email conversation between Devine and in the firm and Devine wanted to include him in the decision making process . 15. March 31, 2014, email conversation between TAD (Devine), regarding Call Important. This was after Yanukovych fled and Poroshenko took over. Nothing came out of this business proposal and a contract was never executed. 16. April 1, 2014 email conversation between TAD (Devine). I Iregarding 17. June 9, 2014, email conversation between TAD (Devine), Gates, regarding Kyiv. This was a conversation regarding Devine's last project in Ukraine. 18. June 16, 2014, email conversation between Devine, Devine identifiedl Ias his 19. June 19, 2014, email conversation between TAD (Devineb7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Thomas "Tad" Devine July 6, ContinuationofFD-SOZof 2018 ,011 07/06/2018 ,Page 6 Of 6 20. August 16, 2015 email conversation between Manafort and Devine regarding Meet the Press. Manafort reached out to compliment Devine after a Bernie Sanders appearance on Meet the Press. I I I b6 21. May 26, 2016, email conversation between DeVine and b7C regarding Manafort's cell: Devine recalled then Presidential Candidate Trump appeared on TV and when asked if he would debate Sanders he said he would. They wanted to reach out to Manafort about setting up the debate. 22. September 21, 2017, email conversation between Devine b6 Devine stated the date as noted appears to be an error. Miscellaneous: Devine recalled being surprised when he read the Manafort indictments. Administrative: A copy of the above-referenced documents and interview notes have been attached for the file. FBK -1 of 16- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/13/2018 Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed FBI Special Agentl I Supervisory Special Forensic Accountantl land Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present for Gates were Thomas Green, Iof Sidley Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates signed and acknowledged understanding the proffer agreement and was reminded that the interview was voluntary, but if he chose to answer questions he needed to be truthful in his responses. Gates Gates stated Gates stated that there are things he cannot recall clearly. For example, Gates could not keep all In general, with Gates. Gates may Kilimnik Visits Investigationon 01/30/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) F11e# Datedrafted 01/31/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 278}?2 237 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 Eng 2 of 16 Gates was asked if he was sure the meeting he attended with Konstantin Kilimnik was at the Havana restaurant in New York on 5th Avenue. Gates stated he was sure that's where the meeting took place. Gates was told that the meeting with Manafort and Kilimnik at the Havana restaurant actually took place on August 2, 2016. Gates stated he was sure he was at this meeting and when he previously said the meeting was in May, he may have gotten his dates confused. Gates recalled that earlier that same day, Manafort asked Gates to join the meeting. Manafort either texted or emailed Gates saying Kilimnik was in New York and they were meeting for dinner. Manafort asked Gates to join for part of their meeting. Gates arrived at the Havana restaurant after Manafort and Kilimnik had already sat down to eat in the dining room. Gates estimated he was present for approximately 45 minutes of the meeting. Gates was not sure of the time he arrived, but believed it was sometime between 8:00 and 9:00 PM and he left sometime close to 9:45 PM. When Gates joined the meeting, Manafort asked Kilimnik to bring Gates up to speed. Kilimnik told Manafort Viktor Yanukovych had reached out to Kilimnik through an intermediary to say he wanted Manafort to run his come? back campaign in Ukraine. Manafort laughed and declined the offer. Manafort said it was not the right time given the media focus on his work in Ukraine. At this time, Yanukovych was still in Russia. Gates was not sure who the intermediary was. Gates knew Yanukovych had two circles of people: the "Family Faction" and the "Political Faction". The Family Faction consisted of the Donetsk Clan and the Political Faction consisted of IRinat Akhmetov and others who had been with Yanukovych b6 since the beginning of his political career. Gates speculated that the b7C intermediary was Sergiy Lyovochkin, but he was not sure. Kilimnik told Manafort he was required to deliver Yanukovych's message to Manafort in person and he was also tasked with relaying Manafort's response in person. Kilimnik asked Manafort if he could meet with Yanukovych in Europe, but Manafort said he could not because of the Trump Campaign. Manafort was somewhat upset with Yanukovych after Yanukovych fled Ukraine. Manafort had worked very hard to get Yanukovych accepted by the b6 west and he was frustrated at how things developed. Additionall b7A Yanukovych never reached out to Manafort after he fled. I b7C FBK 19m1278}2238 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 3 of 16 Page b7A b7C Gates Gates, Kilimnik and Manafort also talked about the Trump Campaign. Specifically, they talked about Manafort's plan for the primaries. Gates was reminded that this meeting was in August 2016. Gates stated they must have talked about the delegate issue and Manafort's plan to get Trump enough delegates to win the nomination. There were many states which were refusing the give their delegates to Trump even though he had won the primary. Gates was reminded again that the meeting was in August 2016 and Trump had already secured the nomination. Gates corrected himself and stated that he, Kilimnik and Manafort discussed the battleground states. Specifically, they discussed Manafort's strategy for winning certain battleground states. Manafort told Kilimnik he was focusing on blue collar states which had traditionally been Democratic. Manafort walked Kilimnik through his strategy to win these states and their electoral votes by focusing on labor and immigration issues. The states Manafort highlighted were Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Gates, Kilimnik and Manafort also talked about the Oleg Deripaska lawsuit and how it had been dismissed. Kilimnik said he was trying to obtain documentation showing the dismissal. Gates did not know why such a long period of time lapsed between the end of Manafort and Deripaska's deal in 2008 and the lawsuit which was filed in 2014. Gates thought Manafort and Deripaska resolved the issue in 2009. Manafort and Deripaska did not have much contact between 2009 and 2014 that Gates is aware of. Gates heard Manafort had sporadic meetings with Deripaska between 2009 and 2014 about things unrelated to the investment deal, but Gates was not sure. Gates was asked why the battleground states and campaign strategy were discussed with Kilimnik. Gates stated Manafort and Kilimnik had a "close relationship". Gates believed Manafort was bragging a bit and doing a "victory lap" because Trump had won the nomination. Manafort was bragging about his strategy. FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 4 of 16 ,Page By way of background, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway had different strategies on how to obtain sufficient electoral votes. Neither of their strategies involved flipping the battleground states Manafort identified. Gates believed Manafort was telling Kilimnik about his strategy as a way of showing how successful he was in US politics. Manafort saw this as a way to get more international clients after the election. Manafort believed if he could get Trump elected, foreign politicians would hire him for their campaigns. Manafort never specifically said this to Gates, but Gates was aware that this was Manafort's strategy to make a lot of money like he had before. Manafort had said if Trump wins, "we're going to make a lot of money". Gates then said that Manafort never said this as overtly as that statement, but this was generally what Manafort said over time in various discussions. Gates was asked why Manafort would brag to Kilimnik about this. Gates believed Manafort was bragging to Kilimnik because Manafort was trying to get Lyovochkin and Akhmetov to pay DMP what they owed. Gates believed this because Manafort sent an email to Gates and Kilimnik specifically saying he was going to use his potential success with the Trump Campaign as a means to get repaid by OB. Gates explained that Manafort was using the "perception of his position" to get paid. Success in the US election would translate to success in Manafort's business ventures. Manafort had no desire to work in the Trump Administration. Rather, Manafort wanted to use his success to make money with future business. Success in the Trump Campaign would improve Manafort's image. In addition, Manafort's connections to the Trump Administration would "open doors" for Manafort's potential future clients. Gates b6 b7A b7C FBK 199561 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A . b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer 2 On 01/30/20l8 Page b7A b7C Gates did not consider himself close to Manafort. Manafort was difficult to be close with. Manafort treated Gates and Kilimnik like they were below him. Gates was askedl I b6 b7C Kilimnik and Manafort also talked about polling data as well as trends related to the Trump Campaign and the battleground states. Gates did not recall Kilimnik and Manafort discussing any opposition research or negative campaigning during the meeting. Gates b6 b7A b7C Kilimnik never said he came at Deripaska's direction or to deliver a message to Manafort from Deripaska. When the meeting at the Havana restaurant ended, Gates and Manafort left together and Kilimnik left separately. The reason for this was that Politico and other media outlets were focusing on Manafort's connection to Kilimnik and Manafort did not want to be seen with Kilimnik. Gates believed Kilimnik left first. Gates did not talk to Manafort about the meeting after the meeting ended. Gates and Manafort did talk about some campaign issues. FBK 19m1278}-2291 (Rev. 05-08-10) I b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 Eng 6 of 16 Gates was asked why Kilimnik would travel all the way to the US for a dinner with Manafort to ask if Manafort would work for Yanukovych on an election which was 4 years away. Gates was also asked why Kilimnik would need an immediate response to such a question. Gates stated this did not seem strange to him. Gates characterized Eastern Europeans as not trusting and Gates did not think it unlikely that Yanukovych would want the message delivered in person. Gates, Manafort and Kilimnik used various nick names for Yanukovych, to include "big guy", and "Yank". Opposition Research At some point during the Trump Campaign, many people claimed to have leads on negative information pertaining to Hilary Clinton. Donald Trump Jr., and Sam Clovis all claimed to have leads on the missing Hilary Clinton emails. Trump had also read a book by Peter Schwartz which claimed Hilary Clinton had connections to Russia as it related to the Clinton Foundation. claimed to have a lead of how to obtain the missing Hilary Clinton emails. was flying on the campaign plane with Gates and Trump and said that one of his contacts in the "intel world" could obtain the missing emails. Gates did not recall Trump reacting to this claim or giving any direction to about this topic. Gates was not sure how the topic came up, but he believed there was something on the news that sparked the conversation. Gates recalled Trump was "pissed" abut the emails and the fact that they were deleted. Gates assumed would have had contacts who may have been able to obtain the missing emails. claim seemed credible to Gates. had a data consultant in Houston, Texas to whom he paid $200,000. Gates was not sure, but thought that data consultant may have been the source in the "intel world" to whom was referring. did not specifically say who his source was. Gates did not follow up with about this topic and was not aware of any follow up may have had with Trump. Trump Jr. FBK 19901 EYE-2292 (Rev. 05-08-10) I b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 7 Of 16 ,Page Donald Trump Jr. claimed to have a lead on negative information about the Clinton Foundation. Donald Trump Jr. brought this up at the Monday morning Family Meeting Gates described earlier. The Family Meeting took place at Donald Trump Jr.'s office. Donald Trump Jr. said the lead came from a group in Kyrgistan. Donald Trump Jr. did not say the lead came from Russians. Donald Trump Jr. had not done any due diligence on the potential information and he was being introduced to the group by a friend. After the fact, Gates learned Manafort attended the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr. When the meeting came out in the press, Manafort asked Gates to look at the campaign calendar and see where he was that day. Gates found that Manafort had a meeting with Reince Preibus on the same day and in the same room at Trump Tower as the Donald Trump Jr. meeting. Gates believed the reason Manafort ended up at the Donald Trump Jr. meeting with the Russians was because he had a meeting with Preibus afterward in the same room. Gates did not know why Sessions did not attend the June 2016 meeting if Sessions was designated to handle the foreign contacts. Gates speculated that Sessions only dealt with high level foreign officials and the June 2016 meeting was not considered important enough for him to be present. There were many requests from foreign officials to meet with Trump during the campaign, but most were ignored. Sam Clovis Clovis told Manafort that he had a lead on how to obtain the missing Hilary Clinton emails. Gates did not have any specifics on this lead. Clovis was close to Lewandowski and therefore not close to Gates or Manafort. b6 b7A b7C FBK 19m1278}-2293 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 ,Page 8 of 16 Gates' only information from new articles. John Podesta In or around May 2016, information came out in the media that John Podesta Gates heard John Podesta I John Podesta's I The campaign did not have the bandwidth to handle opposition research so it was run through the committee. at the Reoublican National Committee was in charge of Opposition Research. . Iis the person who uncovered information on Fusion GPS. Gates that most of his information was from open sources. John Podesta's emails were leaked and there was conversation as to how this occurred. Gates recalled implications that the Russians hacked his emails or they were released by someone inside the Democratic National Committee. The main focus for the Trump Campaign was the content of the emails, not were they came from. Negative information on Hilary Clinton and her campaign were gleaned from the hacked emails and used. Gates recalled one of the pieces of negative information was that Hilary Clinton had access to debate questions prior to the debate. Other negative pieces of information were related to Fusion GPS and UraniumOne. Gates did not know who hacked John Podesta's emails. Gates stated the Trump Campaign was not sophisticated enough to accomplish this. There were also reporters and people on the outside doing their own researchb7C FBK 19w12'7832-2294 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 b7E ,Page 9 of 16 Gates was not aware of anyone offering the hacked emails to the Trump Campaign. Gates did recall one person who claimed to have a lot of negative information on Hilary Clinton, but Gates never saw any follow through from this guy. No one ever offered the Trump Campaign to hack into John Podesta, or anyone else's emails. Gates heard stories about the Clinton Foundation and allegations of "pay to play", but he had no further information on this matter. Gates was not aware of any foreign government offering to provide assistance on opposition research to the Trump Campaign. Campaign Financing Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions to the the Trump Campaign. Gates knew that some foreign officials wanted to attend the Inauguration, but Gates' understanding was that they could not attend. However, if someone who had tickets brought a foreign official as a guest, or gave them their tickets, that was fine. After the primaries, Trump thought he could still self?finance his campaign. Trump was told he would not be able to compete if he did so. As a result, a "low dollar", digital donor campaign was initiated to generate funding. At this time, Trump had minimal large dollar donor support. Trump relied on small donations in high volume. Gates believed the average donation was around $75. There were some political action committees (PACs) and 50l(c)4 entities which contributed to the Trump Campaign. Gates recalled thel b5 Most of the large dollar support was donated to b7C Congressional campaigns and not Trump's campaign. Inauguration Gates did not have contact with Kilimnik during the inaugural period. Gates was not aware of Kilimnik attending the Inauguration. Manafort was looking for tickets to the Inauguration, but he did not say the tickets were for Kilimnik. Gates recalled a few emails with Manafort andl b6 I Gates believed the officials were the Election Committee Chairman and one other. Gates did not believe the Ukrainian officials attended. b6 Gates was aware that a Russian national who purchased Trump's house in b7A Florida had reached out b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A . b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/20l8 ,Page 10 of 16 Gates told many donors that tickets to the Inauguration could not be given to foreign government officialsbreak was taken from approximately 3:50 PM until 4:00 PM.) Gates was not aware of anyl I b5 I?l Gates did not begin b7A b7C Gates andl b6 b7A b7C Gates was not aware of any financial support obtainedl for b6 the Trump Campaign. Gates never had any conversations withl on this topic. All of Gates' conversations with Gates was asked if he was aware of any direct or indirect foreign contributions to the Trump Campaign. Gates did not know about any foreign contributions to the Trump Campaign either directly or indirectly. Gates stated that b7A The Republican National Committee handled fundraising after Trump won the nomination. The low dollar digital campaign was run by Brad Parscale. Gates was asked if he knew about any gifts in kind, or offer to pay for services by foreign entities. FBK 19901 EYE-2295 (Rev. 05-08-10) I b7A b7E (U) RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 Eng ll of 16 Gates stated Cambridge Analytica had its roots in the UK and there were allegations about possible foreign connections. Specifically, Gates heard questions about Bannon's role in Cambridge Analytica and his financial stake in the Cayman Islands. Data Trust was a separate company which performed the same function as Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica's model captured large groups of people who were "on the fence" or undecided about their vote. Data Trust captured smaller groups, but had more detail on their views. Bank Fraud Gates was asked about the purchase of Manafort's property at 377 Union St., Brooklyn. Gates believed Manafort asked him to initiate a wire transfer from the Actinet Trading account for the purchase of this property. Gates believed he wired the money to a title company. Gates understood these funds were being used to buy property. Gates was asked about the purchase of Manafort's property at 29 Howard St., New York. Gates did not believe he wired the funds from Peranova or Yiakora for this property's purchase. Gates said it was possible Manafort asked him to initiate these wires, but he did not recall it. Gatesl b5 b7C Gates did not start managing the Cyprus accounts until 2008. Gates opened the accounts in August 2007, but he wasn't transacting on b6 Manafort's behalf until 2008. I b7C Gates I b6 b7C GatesI b6 b7C F??i??01278}2297 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A . 1:72 ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer 2 On 01/30/2018 Page 12 of 16 b6 b7C b6 b7A b7C Gates b5 b7A b7C Gates most likely used hisI email b5 accounts to communicateI I Gates may also have used his b7C I Iaccount until 2014 when that account was closed. Gates thought it was possible he used hisI Iaccount on occasion as well. Gates' other email accounts wereI Iand Gates, Manafort, Kilimnik and two "private equity people" located in Ukraine hadI email accounts. These accounts were obtained b6 fromI I b7c Genesis Capital Gates was shown an email from Manafort to Gates, I b5 I dated December 22, 2015 with the subject b7C line, I Gates believed this email was a request for land Gates b6 b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 ,Page 13 of 16 Manafort had previouslyl I I Manafort tasked Gates with helping manage In late 2015 and Gates did not have much information regardingl I I Manafort told Gates he wasI I who asked Manafort for help with b7A b7E b7C FBK 199561 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A . b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer 2 On 01/30/20l8 Page Gates did not believe he ever spoke With b7C Gates did reach out tol Gates explained b6 b7C Manafort and b6 b7C Gates was shown a series of emails related to his communication with b6 b7C Gates stated that he knew heI I b6 b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer 2 On 01/30/20l8 Page 15 of 16 Gates was asked if he recalled his conversation with Gates initially stated that he did not recall a conversation with but the emails show he relayed Manafort's instructions toI I Gates then stated he recalled askingI Ito provide documentation forI I I Gates did not think this was Gates was asked why he sent I but he did not understand exactly why. Manafort did not always give Gates the full picture. Manafort asked Gates to do certain things, but he did not always explain why. Gates gave the example of Manafort asking Gates to get on board, asking Gates to obtain old insurance declarations from or asking Gates to GatesI Gates then stated he knewl Gates was asked again about his communication withI I Gates Gates was asked to explain what he meant by "side agreement loans". Gates stated that b7C FBIii-gcvizi?m?Bli (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer 2 ,On 01/30/2018 16 of 16 ,Page b6 b7C Gates was asked b6 b7C Gates was asked I Gates stated b6 b7C - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/21/2018 On 10/29/2018, SA and Special Counsel Prosecutor Andrew b6 Weissmann interviewed RICHARD GATES at the offices of counsel. b7C counsel, Tom Greene was present for the interview. GATES provided the following information: China Efforts MANAEORT worked withl Ion a telephone project in China that b5 never materialized1 technology guy was b7C b7A MANAEORT had tried to get some Chinese nationals into the inauguration, but GATES said no. GATES the situation but did not b5 know what happened after that. GATES was not aware of any Chinese money b7A . . . b7C making its way into the PIC. MANAFORT Ukraine Work In 2010, DMP hired a number of people to assist with work in Ukraine, including I ha has al Iwho b7A . . b7C was brought in as a Ito do Party of Regions groundwork. After the US Presidential election, GATES never heard any plans regarding Eastern Ukraine. MANAEORT asked GATES to connect with the b5 Ukrainian Ambassador to open a line of dialogue between DONALD TRUMP and b7C PETRO POROSHENKO. MANAEORT told GATES that E: . . GATES was not aware of a relationship between PATTEN and KILIMNIK. Investigationon 10/29/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7A File# Date drafted 11/14/2018 b7C b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?232 2 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof 10/29/2018 SCO ,On 10/29/2018 2 of 3 Page b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED /+FeUe? FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview Of RICHARD GATES SCO ,On 10/29/2018 Eng 3 of 3 GATES believed KILIMNIK may have had a direct line to OLEG DERIPASKA. VIKTOR BOYARKIN and DERIPASKA VIKTOR BOYARKIN did a lot of work for DERIPASKA. BOYARKIN spoke good English. Miscellaneous sent an email regarding a Clinton Foundation pay?to-play scheme. [This document, attached as a 1A, was provided later the same day by counselb7C UNCLASSIFIED ,l-Fege? FBK ism-127m?2324 - 1 of 5 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/28/2018 Richard Gates was contacted at Sidley Austin, 1501 Street, Washington, D.C., in the presence of his attorney, Tom Green. Present for the interview was Senior Assistant Special Counsel (SASC) Zainab Ahmad, SASC Andrew Weissman, Forensic Accountant Assistant ecial b6 A_ent in Charge (ASACJ b7C being informed of the official identities of all present, Gates provided the following information: Gates stated that at the outset of his and Paul Manafort?s work with the Trump campaign (in March 2016) the two had no control of budget or finances. Following the April 2016 primaries in which Trump took control of the Republican race, he (Trump) directed Manafort to develop state budgets. The amounts in the state budgets were minimal at first start, mostly to finance direct mailings). b6 Larger budgets varied betweenl typically spent b7C on media. Gradually, Gates and Manafort took more and more control of budgets as a strategy to win delegates took shape. Gates stated that the budgets (and duties) were divided during this time between Manafort and Corey Lewandowski. The de facto campaign during this time was would track projects expending funds, and served as the first b7C check on such expenses. Gates stated that Trump self?financed his campaign prior to April/May 2016. Gates stated that prior to his and Manafort?s arrival on the campaign, Trump loaned his campaign Gates added [Manafort explained to Gates that b6 b7C Investigationon 10/29/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File Date drafted :33. by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?232 5 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Of RICHARD GATES ,On 10/29/2018 Eng 2 of 5 b6 b7C Following his success in the primaries, which all but assured he would win the party?s nomination, Trump stated to his team that he wished to continue self?financing his campaign. Gates stated that, due to the large amounts required, this was simply not realistic. He held multiple discussions on this topic with Jared Kushner, Steve Mnuchin, and others. Among Trump?s plans was to win New York and California. Once shown the sheer amounts of funding needed to be competitive in those states, he became convinced that outside funding would be needed. The campaign?s narrative became that following the primaries, Trump?s campaign would take general financing like everyone else. Gates explained to Trump that outside financing would come from two ?buckets.? The first was money raised in conjunction with the Republican National Committee (RNC) and was in large amounts. The second was small donations stemming from direct mail and telephone calls. Red Curve was a company hired by the campaign prior to Gates? and Manafort? arrival. The company had previously worked on Mitt Romney?s campaign for President in 2012. Gates was told by Don McGahn that he (McGahn) was familiar with Red Curve?s work and that the company was well aware of all FEC requirements. Starting in May of 2016, Red Curve largely ran the financing of the Trump campaign (always with the pre?approval of The company utilized a software application in which b6 Lewandowski, Manafort, or Gates could on?line to approve bud et b7C requests. Gates worked closely his to discuss the breakdown of budget expenditures. Once Lewandowski left the Trump campaign in mid?June of 2016, Manafort took over the bulk of the on? line approvals via Red Curve. Steve Mnuchin, the campaign finance chairman and long?time contact of Trump?s, also had budget oversight. Once Trump was the official Republican nominee for president, bickering started between the campaign and the RNC. The principal argument centered on dividing the incoming fundraising amounts between the RNC and the candidate/campaign. The issue focused on what the Trump campaign?s budget should be, and predicated their assistance with Trump hitting milestones such as a set number of pictures with contributors, drawing a target number to events, etc. Slowly, however, Trump took charge of such fundraising. Additional arguments centered on the use of RNC office space by the Trump campaign. UNCLASSIFIED fFe?e? FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview Of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof 10/29/2018 ,On 10/29/2018 ,Page 3 of 5 The campaign?s use of direct mailings, spearheaded by Brad Parscale (and Kushner) kept the campaign from direct oversight by the RNC. It was, per Gates, the lifeline of Trump?s campaign. In the 1St quarter alone, for instance, the campaign raised $275 million through direct mail proceeds, paying its own steep costs in the process. Throughout the summer of 2016, the campaign bought up media in increments paid in advance. Gates believed Trump may havel b5 b7C Gates was asked about a $10 million influx into the campaign in October of 2016. He stated that he was out of the ?inner circle? by that time. After Manafort left the campaign in August 2016, Gates himself had less responsibility. The day?to-day oversight of the campaign was handled at that time by Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway. The two were constantly at odds with the Trump family, who had control over budget by that point. Kushner, in particular, oversaw the budget, with Parscale handling the approvals. Gates stated he saw no evidence of any budget ?kickbacks? per se the campaign. However, in the media buys (led by as the b6 buyer) an escrow fund was set up in which 2% of any budget amount would be funneled. Manafort himself tried setting up a 10% commission for himself on any and all media buys but Kushner stopped this. Around the time that Steve Bannon started with the Trump campaign, he b7C introduced Jared Kushner to CA. Gates, Manafort and Parscale met with from Cambridge Analytica (CA) in New his company?s model as better than micro?targeting to assess potential voters. CA pitched their ability to identify voters who ma be on the fence between candidates on a city?by?city Gates that they had a proprietary database with 5,000 fields. Gates reached out to the Ted Cruz and Ben Carson campaigns for feedback on how CA had worked for them. CA was broken into two discreet units: data analytics, and communications. The Cruz campaign said that analytics were great, but that communications left something to be desired. UNCLASSIFIED FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof 10/29/2018 ,On 10/29/2018 ,Page the Republican National Convention, there was a meeting and the campaign decided to put CA to the test. RNC and CA each received a pool of people to audit. CA returned with more, but more ?undecideds?. The RNC did not want to use CA. Parscale was reluctant to bring a new company into the campaign. Kushner wanted to use CA and negotiated a package with payment being delivered at the end of the campaign. Kellyanne Conway had planned to bring in her favored companies when she joined the campaign, but was unable because of Kushner?s control. and worked with at CA and were embedded in the Trump campaign. CA had told Gates that they were US?based, and indeed the company had several US components. Gates later learned that the data was run in the UK. This was a concern for Gates at the time because of the time difference between the UK and the US East Coast. After the election, Steve Mnuchin was not on the finance committee. Mnuchin was angling for a cabinet position. was deputy and was responsible for handling day? to?day budgets. Gates would check things also worked on the campaign. I Iwas al Idonor to the Trump campaign and raised a ton of money for thel I Gates opined thatl b7A b7E b7A b7C F3?1??v1278y2328 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof 10/29/2018 ,011 10/29/2018 ,Page b7A Iwas called in to help out With the Gold Star issue arose. b7C were also brought in to help with that issue. Gates and others would review Trump?s call logs on a daily basis. These were produced by Rhona for Trump?s landlines and cell phone. When Conway took over, Trump became harder to reach, and people started calling Melania Trump?s cell phone to reach him. Exhibit . . b6 The per month pay schedule poss1bly included b7C At some point in time, At some point in time, Gates asked Parscale for the Brushfire polls. UNCLASSIFIED /-Fese? FBK i?gm1278}?232? FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 1- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/19/2018 On 10/9/2018, SA and Special Counsel Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann interviewed RICHARD GATES at the offices of counsel. Present for the interview was counsel, Tom Green. GATES provided the following information: was trying meeting between PAUL MANAFORT andl Ito get MANAFORT to sell PSY Group's services to the campaign] Ireceived the proposal, but GATES did not. GATES never discussed using front people as part of the plan. GATES did not recall any further information related to /FeUe' Investigationon 10/09/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File by Datedrafted l0/22/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b6 b7C b6 b7C b6 b7A b7C b7E FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 11/19/2018 On 11/14/2018, SA IIAI and Special Counsel Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann interviewed RICHARD GATES telephonically. After being advised of the identities of the individuals on the call, GATES provided the following information: Iwas a colleague of from was a IGATES had met A long time said he was helping investigating a money laundering scheme. with a project At one point in working on a project that involved tracking black money in Afghanistan. This project involved a United Nations AID corollary and was trying to get support from the US government. wanted to bring in to help PAUL MANAEORT by showing brought into a group with some people in asked GATES about it. GATES last spoke to *Following the telephonic interview, GATES_provided email communications as a GATES was read a Viber exchange between himself and MANAEORT in which GATES asks about MANAEORT's meeting with that he was meeting with TRUMP to determine whether or not he could attend inauguration events. MANAFORT had told GATES Investiga?onon 11/14/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (Phone) File I I I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. Datedrafted 11/19/2018 b7A ?b7E b7A b7C b7E b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 11/14 ,On 11/14/2018 2 of 2 GATES had heard that MANAEORT went to Spain at some point with b6 GATES was not aware of travel schedule in January b7C and February 2017. In January 2017, MANAFORT claimed he was using intermediaries, including JARED KUSHNER, to get people appointed. Additionally, MANAFORT said he had other people helping him, including RUDY GIULIANI. MANAEORT claimed he was talking to KUSHNER all the way leading up to plea. b6 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED ,LPerae? FBK - 1 of 2 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 01/17/2019 On 11/7/2018, SA SAI FOA Senior Assistant Special Counsel (SASC) Jeannie Rhee, SASC Andrew Weissmann, and SASC Greg Andres interviewed Rick Gates at the Offices of the Special Counsel. counsel was not present for the interview. Gates provided the following information: Gates was shown an email to Malania Trump on 12/30/2016 During the 2016 Presidential campaign, Donald Trump's (Trump) Friends Family list (the list) for people attending campaign events was broken down by Trump family member. Lists would come from each of Trump's children. Rhona Graff (Graff) handled the list from Trump himself. Melania Trump would check and add names. If a name was associated with a specific person, it would be put under their name on the list. Graff was the gatekeeper of the list. People associated with the Trump family sometimes added names. The circle of people who were able to add names to the list were immediate family members, close friends of immediate family members. and staffers of immediate family members. For example, added people to the list. In some cases, Gates would send the lists back to the kids for review and the kids would say they didn't add a particular name on their own list. Investigationon 11/07/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) byl? This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agencyb7A b7C b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) 136 b7A b7C I b7E Interview of RICK GATES 11/7 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,011 11/07/2018 ,Page 2 Of 2 b6 IFor this reason, sometimes the kids would add their own invitees to Trump's list. For example, during the Republican National Convention, Ivanka asked Graff to add to Trump's list. In some instances, a name would appear twice. In this event, Gates would call Graff and de?duplicate. Trump never personally reviewed the list, instead, Trump relied on Graff. Several supporters added names to the list. Trump would only take interest if a friend of his said they hadn't been invited. By inauguration time, the list had been substantially expanded. LNU was with the campaign. She became the point?of?contact for b5 b7C people on the Friends and Family list. UNCLASSIFIED ,LF-eae- FBK - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/13/2018 On 11/7/2018, SA Special Counsel Prosecutor (SCP) Greg EEC Andres and SCP Andrew Weissmann interviewed RICK GATES at the Offices of the Special Counsel. counsel was not present for the interview. GATES provided the following information: Great America Great America was a PAC run by COREY LEWANDOWSKI. Great America had been started with a donation b7C had offices in thel his DC offices were based out of the offices. wasl Investigationon 11/07/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 11/12/2018 File Date drafted b7 A by b7c b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 1 gw 1 2313:} 23 3 5 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICK GATES 11/7 SCO ,On 11/07/2018 2 of 4 b6 b7C was hired by to help with corporate activitiesl lwas doing marketing and Public Relations (PR) wit? I In approximately 2010, GATES met with in New York to discuss work expanding the Party of Regions (POR). b6 b7C helped set up a foundation for in the introduced MANAEORT hopes that MANAEORT could assist with PR goals. GATES was not sure if MANAEORT knew personally. In 2013, reached out regarding payment. b6 firm was never big enough to handle a large slate of business. b7C seemed to Campaign?s Knowledge of MANAFORT's Ukraine Work According to MANAEORT, he had mentioned his work in Ukraine in his first meeting with DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP told MANAEORT that it was no big deal. Later in the campaign, HOPE HICKS would forward MANAFORT questions that she was receiving from the press about his work in Ukraine. MANAFORT had also met with KUSHNER regarding the details of his work in Ukraine. MANAEORT informed GATES that in early August while on the plane with TRUMP, TRUMP had told MANAEORT that he needed to know any additional damaging information that could come out. There was no discussion of MANAEORT fronting his frauds with TRUMP or with the campaign. Miscellaneous approached GATES about having do a fundraiser tic for GATES. GATES never met GATES never received money from GATES was aware that JARED KUSHNER was holding the purse strings on the campaign. KUSHNER allowed a 1?1.5% margin on media buys plus production costs. KUSHNER drove money to be spent on digital. MANAEORT had told GATES of 2 defense funds: one at the Whitehouse and one outside. EX 1 Memo RE: Creation of a Vehicle to Promote and Protect Trump For President Delegates UNCLASSIFIED FBK b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICK GATES ll/7 SCO ,On 11/07/2018 3 Of 4 MANAEORT drafted the memo in preparation for a meeting with b6 primary goal was to protect TRUMP's delegates at the Republican National Convention. The 527 vehicle had started out as an idea when MANAEORT was on the campaign. The main question for MANAEORT was whether or not a 527 could receive foreign contributions. At MANAEORT's request, GATES reached out to DON MCGAHN to discuss the advantages of a 527 versus a 50lc. GATES opined that be b7A b7C EX 2 Email from Thursday March 24, 2016 GATES wrote the 527 Entities Summary document. This document memorialized discussion with MCGAHN. MANAFORT wished to create an entity for which he would not be required to disclose donors. A 527 could take foreign contributions, but the recipient would have to disclose donors. This plan was never executed. Instead campaign funds were used. EX 3 Segment from a Translated Email KILIMNIK came to the US in May of 2016 During that trip, b6 KILIMNIK met with MANAEORT to share information about Ukraine. b6 b7A b7C After meeting with MANAFORT, MANAFORT directed GATES to send KILIMNIK polling data. The Internal EABRIZIO polling data that was shared with KILIMNIK b7A GATES believed that "Boy" could have referred to YURI BOYKO, who had been an emissary between YANUKOVYCH and VLADIMIR PUTIN. "Tsar" was likely PUTIN since BOYKO was a go?between for PUTIN. was a reference to PETRO POROSHENKO. It was widely known that there was infighting amongst contingents of Opposition Bloc and at one point in time, BOYKO became the party face. EX 4 Email from March 30, 2016 UNCLASSIFIED FBK b7A (Rev? 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 11/7 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 SCO aQ11 11/07/2018 ,Page 4 of 4 . b6 while b7A was referred to as b7c UNCLASSIFIED i-FeUe? FBK - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/19/2018 On 11/7/2018, SAI Senior Financial b6 Counsel Prosecutor (SCP) Greg Andres, SCP Andrew A b7C Weissmann, and DOJ Money Laundering and Asset Recovery Section Attorney Ann Brickley interviewed RICK GATES at the Office of the Special Counsel. counsel was not present for the interview. GATES provided the following information: GATES had learned about how Ukrainian politics worked from PAUL MANAFORT, Ukrainian oligarchs generated wealth be from the assets that they owned. Public officials were always on the take. This was consistent with experience in Ukraine. GATES believed that MICHAEL OKANOSKY was one of the few Ukrainian officials who seemed above-board, but OKANOSKY 23C YANUKOVYCH Family" b6 b7C I b6 b7C 11/07/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# Datedra?ed 11/12/2018 105 b7A by b7C 1071:: This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?233 b7A (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 11/7 MLARS ,On 11/07/2018 Jay 2 of 3 b6 b7C GATES could not recall specifically, BOYKO b7C Additional Individuals b6 IpreViouSly had worked for b7C Ihad talked about acquiring UNCLASSIFIED Eleve? FBK b7A b7E (U/ffe?e+ Interview of RICK GATES ll/7 MLARS ,On 11/07/2018 Jag 3 Of 3 GATES had heard rumors that had been involved inl b6 b7C were doing work in the US (NET). b5 b7C ALEX VAN DER ZWAAN had told GATESI After POR Fled When POR fled, b6 b7C IMany of those who fled GATES had heard rumors that YANUKOVYCH had to pay price of for his home. I a lower level person in Party of Regions (POR), had looked . b6 at a ro ert in b7C AKHMETOV had looked at property in (NET). UNCLASSIFIED Herse- FBK -1 of 20- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/23/2018 Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed by FBI Special Agent ISupervisory Special Agent and Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present b6 for Gates were Thomas Green, of Sidley b7C Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates signed and acknowledged understanding the proffer agreement and was reminded that the interview was voluntary, but if he chose to answer questions he needed to be truthful in his responses. Other Crimes Gates was asked about any other criminal offenses he had committed. Insider Trading The only insider trading and/or securities fraud offenses in which Gates had been involved was related to ID Watchdog (IDW). b6 b7C b6 b7C b6 b7C Investirrationon 02/12/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2355 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 2 of 20 Page Gates did not believe any of the investments or entities he b7C participated in with involved any fraud. FBK 19m1278}-2355 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page 3 of 20 I Ihad an associate namedl I land Manafort invested in this business. Manafort?s portion of that investment came from Cypriot funds. Gates did not think I was involved in any fraud or illegal activity. Bank Fraud When Gates was applying for his mortgage refinance loans through he asked Manafortl I Gates clarified thatl I Gates also lied about the purpose and use of BADE LLC (BADE) when he was applying for his mortgage refinance loans. Gates did not want to disclose that he used BADE to receive income. Gates said he received income from into BADE. Gates knew that his net worth was listed as on documentation sent tc . This number was based upon the value of Energy Today's stock. Gates' told Gates he could use this to support his net worth. Gates was responsible for opening bank accounts for DMP. Gates knew that banks scrutinized account more if they thought the businesses were related to politics. For this reason, Gates listed "business consulting", rather than "political consulting" to avoid any such scrutiny. Gates specifically recalled doing this on the account opening documents. In addition to mis?characterizing the type of business DMP did, Gates also altered some of the operating agreements provided to banks. For example, Gates changed DMP's operating agreement when opening account. Gates changed the EIN number and the managing member from Gates to Manafortb7C Fain-gmz'myzaa? b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1075: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page 4 of 20 Bribery Gates never paid, or was offered a bribe while working in Ukraine. Manafort received a blackmail and extortion threat via email once. Manafort told the FBI about this in 2014. Gates b5 was behind the blackmail. The email b7C threatened to release hacked information if Manafort did not pay. Gates did not believe Manafort did anything in response. Gates was aware of bribery in Ukraine, but he did not have specifics. DMP paid their employees in Ukraine partially under the table. Ukrainian tax law required businesses to pay taxes based upon the amount of their payroll. For that reason, DMP reported to the tax authorities that they paid their employees somewhere between 25?30% of what they were actual paid. The difference between the reported amount and the actual amount was usually paid in cash. DMP did not pay bribes to any government officials. However, Manafort told Gates about two expensive watches he gave to Akhmetov and another oligarch. Gates was aware that local officialsl I b6 b7A b7C DMP never paid bribes any government officials in the US. Lack of Candor Under Oath Gates lied during his deposition in the winding up b7A Gates, Manafort and met before their depositions without lawyers present to pull together relevant documents and discuss the b6 "chronology of events". Gates later clarified that b7A and was not a party to Manafort and Gates' b7C agreement to lie in the deposition. Gates met with Manafort 3?4 times for this purpose. Gates mostly told the truth during his testimony, but lied about how the bank accounts in Cyprus were held. Manafort told Gates to lie about b6 I b7A Specifically, Manafort told Gates to say b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1075: (U) Rick Gates Proffer #8 On 02/12/2018 Eng 5 of 20 that b6 b7A b7C The reason for this lie was to make it appear that b6 b7A b7C FBI Interview 2014 Prior to the FBI's interviews of Manafort and Gates in 2014, Manafort and Gates met to discuss the pending interviews. These meetings were with an attorney. Gates stated he did not lie during the 2014 interview with the FBI. Gates noted some inaccuracies in the written report of his interview. Specifically, the written report inaccurately described which oligarchs were involved in which events. Additionally, there was one event in which the report not involved when in b6 actuality, he was involved. b7C and Skadden Report b6 Gates did not recall submitting any written statement or declaration as b7C it pertained tol Gates knew the information the Skadden Report b6 was misleading, but he never signed any document, or testified to anything b7C related to this. The Skadden Report referenced material which Gates thought had been b6 b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page Gates explained that the purpose of the Skadden Report was to Gates had insight into the Skadden Report throughout the process. and Manafort were in frequent contact. Additionally, Gates and . lwere in frequent contact with a Skadden associate, Alexander van der Zwaan, who worked with Through these channels, Gates was given details about Skadden's investigation into the matter. With respect to the public relations and lobbving campaigns involving Project Hapsburg and the Skadden Report, I Campaign Fraud Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions to the Trump After additional financing came from Super PACs and (RNC). Campaign. Trump self?financed the campaign through the primaries. Trump won the nomination, the Republican National Committee The RNC was largely running the finance operation through the Victory Fund. any foreign contributions into the Victory Fund. All vetting of donations came from the RNC. Gates was not aware of Gates helped write a memorandum explaining the prohibition of foreign contributions which was provided to the Super PACs early on. Gates knew some of the people involved in the Super PACs were high net worth individuals with high net worth contacts in foreign countries such as, Russia and China. Other than the memorandum Gates help write, he was not involved in the Super PACs and was not aware of any foreign contributions to them. The individuals with foreign contacts were Anthony Scaramucci, Tom Barrack, contributions were mostly to the Inauguration. Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions to the Trump Campaign through these individualsb7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 7 of 20 Page Gates explained that foreign contributions could be accepted for "issue advocacy". Gates was not aware of any such contributions for specific policy issues. For the most part, the Super PACs were not policy oriented. Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions used to promote Trump outside the US. Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions paid directly to Trump. As for vendor payments from the campaign, Gates thought payments made b6 to were highly scrutinized. Gates already discussed the b7A vendor payments related to Corey Lewandowski. Other than this, Gates was aware that Red Curve was paid a percentage of the money they raised. Gates thought there may have been "over payments" to vendors, but no outright fraud. Gates stated he needed to go through his emails related to the campaign. Gates recalled a donation of $2 million which came in. The maximum allowed was $1 million. Gates thought the overage was returned to the donor, but it may not have been. Gates said he would look through his emails and provide any relevant documents to his counsel. Gates was not b6 sure he turned over his campaign folder to his previous counsel, b7C Obstruction of Justice Special Counsel Investigation Gates did not destroy any documents related to the Special Counsel's investigation. Gates provided everything he had to his attorneys. FARA Unit Investigation Gates deleted documents related to the FARA Unit's investigation as previously described. Manafort and Gates coordinated to make sure they cleaned out any documents. Manafort told Gates to get rid of any incriminating documents. Gates spoke times in 2016 as it related to the FARA Unit's request for information. Gates was trying to determine how the ECFMU was really funded. Gates she did not know. Gates initially said he did not try to coordinate answers withl I Gates b5 later stated that he, had all received b7C a list of questions from a reporter at the Associated Press (AP). Among those questions was how the ECFMU was funded and who was behind the ECFMU. Gates andl (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page In or around July 2016, Gates spoke withl Iabout the AP reporter's questions as well. Gates andl I Gates andI I Manafort was involved in this coordination with I las well. Gates time to find out who from the DNC was doing a "hit piece" on Manafort's lobbying in Ukraine. Gates the reporting would negatively and he needed to have the person "back off". Gates did not speak withI Iabout the FARA reporting. Manafort and I I Gates did not know if Manafort andl Italked about the AP article or the FARA Unit inquiry. 8 of 20 Gates did talk to worked on the Trump Campaign with Gates. Gates andl Italked about the FARA Unit inquiry and how they needed to figure out what they were going to say. The Skadden Report b7A b7E b7A b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #8 On O2/l2/20l8 Page 9 of 20 b6 b7A Gates noted that at the time of the Skadden Report, b6 Other Gates has not lied in any other statements to law enforcement. Gates has not been arrested] b6 b7C Gates did not make any misrepresentations on his bail package to the court in this matter. b6 b7C Gates tried to start a wine import business called "Got Woke" which would import wine from France and Italy. Gates applied for the license to import wine, but nothing more. b6 b7C Gates did not claim these funds on his tax returns. DMP falsified their financial records to avoid paying taxes in Cyprus. Cyprus requires businesses to file annual audits. Gates was tasked with creating documents to support a series of "loans" for funds transferred in and out of the Cypriot accounts. Gates created loan agreements and invoices to support the transfers of funds. Manafort was aware of some of the documents, but not all. Gates had to create documents to support the funds he had taken from the Cypriot accounts without Manafort's knowledge as well. Gates submitted expense reimbursement requests to Barrack, the Inauguration and America First Policies. Gates had these expense reimbursements deposited into BABE. Gates would request reimbursement for expenses which were not actually business expenses. By way of example, Gates would request reimbursements for dinners which were personal and not business related. b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 10 of 20 Page Most of Gates' illegitimate expense reimbursements were submitted to Barrack. Gates only submitted one expense reimbursement while at America First Policies. Gates submitted two invoices for payment for his services, but neither of these were paid. A break was taken from approximately 11:50 AM to approximately 11:55 AM. Kilimnik On August 2, 2016, Gates arrived late to the dinner meeting between Manafort and Kilimnik. There may have been topics discussed prior to Gates' arrival. When Gates arrived, b6 b7A b7C Kilimnik and Manafort also discussed the Deripaska lawsuit status, payment due to DMP by Rinat Akhmetov and Sergei Lyovochkin and the battleground states. Manafort wanted to know if the Deripaska lawsuit was dismissed. Kilimnik told Manafort that Deripaska was not pursuing it. Kilimnik said, per Viktor Boyarkin, Deripaska didn't even know about the lawsuit. As described previously, Manafort and Kilimnik discussed the strategy for the battleground states. This was a "broad" and "high level" conversation. Manafort also asked Gates to continue providing Kilimnik with polling data. Gates thought the polling information he was providing Kilimnik was going to Lyovochkin, or other Ukrainians as a way of showcasing what Manafort was doing. Manafort wanted to get repaid what he was owed, but also wanted to open doors to jobs after the Trump Campaign ended. Gates was asked why Kilimnik referred to Manafort's "clever plan to defeat" Hilary Clinton in an email. Gates believed this referred to Manafort's strategy to attack Clinton's credibility. Gates was asked what was "clever" about this. Gates agreed that it was not clever and he did not know why Kilimnik characterized it as clever. Gates did not trust Kilimnik. Gates did not know why Manafort was sharing internal polling data with Kilimnik. Gates said Kilimnik could have given the information to anyone. (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page the meeting, Kilimnik left first. Manafort and Gates were concerned about being seen with Kilimnik and that's why they left separately. Gates thought meeting with Kilimnik was "bold". After leaving, Manafort made a joke about Yanukovych and then he and Gates started talking about a campaign meeting they had the next morning. That night. Gates stayed at With regards to the "Black Caviar" email discussed previously, Gates believed this was a reference to Akhmetov. Gates could not explain why Kilimnik said the person who gave Manafort the black caviar was in Moscow. Gates speculated that Akhmetov could have been in Moscow. Akhmetov traveled to Moscow frequently. Manafort and Kilimnik did not discuss the topic of sanctions against Ukraine or Russia, or any other policy issues at the meeting. Gates explained that in 2004, Vladimir Putin was angry with Yanukovych for the overturn of the election. Putin gave and nothing to Yanukovych at that time. Gates did not know what Yanukovych's relationship with Russia was more recently and did not know if they were backing him in 2020. Gates noted that if Russia did back Yanukovych, Yanukovych would be indebted to Russia. Gates gave the example of how Akhmetov was indebted to Russian banks. In Gates' opinion, Yanukovych's proposal was "crazy" and "impossible". Gates did not think Yanukovych could unify Ukraine after what happened at Maidan. Gates did not think the message from Yanukovych was "odd" timing as Manafort was working for Trump at the time. Gates characterized This had been brought up in media reporting for years, mostly by pro?Russians who claimed Yanukovych had been "illegally removed". After the August 2, 2016 meeting with Kilimnik, Gates sent Kilimnik polling data less frequently. In August, September and October, Gates did not have much time and only sent Kilimnik this information sporadically. The information Gates sent during this time period was more publically available information and less internal data. When Manafort b7A b7E b7C b7A b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 Eng 12 of 20 left the campaign, Gates' access to polling data was limited as Fabrizio was distanced from the campaign. Gates used Whatsapp and text messaging from his DMP cell to communicate with Kilimnik. Manafort used Viber and DMP email to communicate with Kilimnik. Gates did not believe he ever communicated with Kilimnik via his campaign email. Gates was asked what plans the campaign had in motion in August 2016. Gates stated there were multiple plans, but minimal resources to make those plans happen. The RNC had not signed off on Trump yet. The campaign did not have the resources to set up offices in each state and Trump was having trouble getting the Republican officials in each state to support him. The main issue in August 2016 was where to put the limited resources. At that time, the Trump Campaign was receiving donations through the small dollar digital campaign run by Brad Parscale and the Victory Fund run by the RNC. It was decided that money should be spent on traditional and digital media advertising in specific states. Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, Arizona, Colorado and Nevada were selected to receive the most resources. These states were chosen from a pool of states generated from Fabrizio's polls: Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Maine, Minnesota, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada and Georgia. Gates explained that when the Billy Bush tape came out, the campaign had to change their resource focus as they had lost the moderate female vote. Similarly, when FBI Director Comey announced the FBI was reopening the Clinton investigation, resources were reallocated to Colorado, Nevada and Arizona. Other changes were made periodically based upon which states were "early ballot states". A break was taken from approximately 12:40 AM to 12:45 AM. After the election, Gates did not have much contact with Kilimnik. Kilimnik may have sent Gates a congratulatory note. Gates was b6 I Gates did not initiate any contact with Kilimnik after the b7C election. Other than a congratulatory message, Gates could not recall if Kilimnik reached out. b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 Eng 13 of 20 Someone reached out to Gates requesting tickets to the Inauguration for the Ukrainian Central Election Committee chairman. Kilimnik may have followed up with Gates on this request. Gates did not provide the tickets. Gates did not know if Manafort and Kilimnik were communicating after the election because Gates and Manafort were not communicating very often. Gates did not have any contact with Kilimnik after the Inauguration. Gates talked to Manafort multiple times about Kilimnik. Manafort said he was trying to see Kilimnik on one of his trips. Gates wasn't sure which trip. Manafort traveled to China at one point, but Gates did not know when. Gates and Manafort also discussed some media reporting on Kilimnik which described him as a Russian operative and Manafort's "guy". Manafort said the reporting was When the email from Manafort to Kilimnik about "private briefings" came out in the news, Manafort said it was "bs" too and that he did not trust Kilimnik. Gates did not know if Kilimnik was actually Russian intelligence, but he suspected he was. Gates had no evidence of this, but Kilimnik was always gathering information about everything. b7A Sam Patten Sam Patten was brought on by Kilimnik in 2014 to do opposition research for OB in Ukraine. Patten was in and out of Ukraine during this time. Gates met Patten a few times. Gates wasn't sure how Kilimnik knew b6 Patten. a media consultant in D.C. used by DMP, was good b7C friends with Patten. Gates had not heard of Bergamont Ventures. Manafort and Policy (Rev. 05-08-10) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 Jag Gates was asked if Manafort ever advocated for any foreign power as it related to US policy. Gates stated that Manafort asked Gates about US policy on Cuba. Manafort had work in Cuba which related to the privatization of healthcare. Manafort was traveling to Cuba and meeting with Raul Castro. Manafort wanted to know what Trump's position on Cuba was. Manafort called Gates about this two times after the Inauguration. Gates told Manafort he would find out and get back to him, but he didn't because two days later, Trump's position on Cuba was reported in the news. Barrack and Policy The largest investor in Colony was a Barrack and I Also, in the summer of 2017, Barrack met With in Europe. Gates clarified that Barrack andl Ihad a meeting scheduled, but Gates did not know if it actually took place. 14 of 20 Gates did not know what happened. At this point in the interview, at approximately 1:05 PM, the writer and Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres departed. Special Counsel Attorney Andrew Weissmann continued the interviewb7A b7C Roger Stone (Rev. 05-08-10) Continuation of FD-302 of Gates joined the lobbying firm of Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly . I Gates worked on the firm's media/campaign strategies. Gates worked mainly forI and rarely worked with Stone. Lee Atwater worked at the firm and was close to Stone. Stone and Manafort worked together a lot with Stone working for the Republicans and Manafort working with international clients. During President Regan's term, the firm became established.I The firm did extremely well in the 19808. In I994 the firm was acquired Berson which fractured the partnership and led to Manafot and Stone starting their own lobbying firm. Stone also left the firm because ofl After Gates left Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly he attended annual lunches that the firm held. Stone would attend these annual lunches approximately every three years. In I995, Gates was recruited by I I In 1997, Gates worked asI I I Gates main role was to sell lottery systems to foreign countries. In 2000, Gates returned to the U.S. and worked for Iwas close friends with Stone.I Stone's relationship with Donald Trump began when Trump hired Stone to lobby on behalf of his casinos. Manafort had disagreements and they usually revolved around monetary disputes. hired by a competing Ukrainian politician to provide election consulting and this created a rift Manafort. However, it was not a big falling out. Stone was an advocate for Trump hiring Manafort to work on the campaign. Trump had a personal relationship with Stone for decades. After Trump's debate with Megan Kelly on Fox News, I Rick Gates Proffer #8 On 02/l2/20l8 Page 15 of 20 During the Trump a practice of copying Gates on emails that he sent to Manafort. not locate Manafort b7A b7E b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page 16 of 20 himself, he would often call Gates. At Manafort's direction, Gates would sometimes callI I I Iand Manafort directly communicated with each other a lot during the campaign but Gates was not involved in those communications. Sometimes Manafort would advise Gates I but Manafort often did not provide anymore detail. I Sometimes, Manafort would have Gates follow up on strategic recommendations provided byI I 7_ Hacking Gates described and Gates was not sure if he actually had information related to the hacked emails. Gates had a conversation with Manafort where Gates told Manafort he was shocked that actually dot the hacked information because usually he's usually just Gates asked Manafort where I Manafort told Gates that] I I Gates stated thatI Prior to the hacked emails were released publicly, Gates was at Manafort's Trump Tower apartment and Manafort stated thatI b7A b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1075: ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #8 ,On O2/l2/20l8 ,Page 17 of 20 I After the public release of the hacked emails, Gates was with Trump on his plane on the tarmac. The plane was delayed for thirty minutes so Trump could work the information into b6 his speech. Gates did not know already provided the b7A information contained in the hacked emails to Trump. Once the hacked b7C emails were publicly released, the discussion on the campaign was how to use the information in the emails to show that the Democrats were dysfunctional. The RNC had a research team reading through the hacked emails after they were publicly released. were the people at the RNC who ran the rapid response team to decide what say about the emails. Gates was not involved in this process; rather, Manafort made those decisions. Gates stated that nobody on the campaign was sophisticated enough to be able to hack into computer systems. Nobody on the campaign was concerned about how or who hacked the The campaign tried to put out excerpts from the hacked emails as quickly as possible. There was no media strategy developed regarding the hacked emails. Steve Bannon joined the campaign on August 15, 2016. Subsequently, Gates found out that Bannon had a relationship Gates was in be Bannon's office numerous times when called Bannon. Gates does not b7A recall any conversations with Bannon regarding hacked emails. b7c b6 b7A b7C Gates stated thatl b6 I Michael was the individual b7A on the campaign who came up with the "lock her up" slogan in reference to b7C Hillary Clinton. b6 b7A b7C Fain-gmz'mygaa: b7A (REV, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 ,Page 18 of 20 b6 b7A b7C After the election, Gates did not have any contact with cut off contact with Gates because he did not provide him the voting list. Manafort were attempting to get Trump to pick Rudy Guiliani for Secretary of State. Trump was going to pick Guiliani for Attorney General but Guiliani thought he deserved a more important cabinet position. Gates stated Guiliani overplayed his hand with Trump and was b6 not picked for any position with the administration. Gates did not think Thomas Barrack had a significant relationship. If Barrack needed something he would have gone through Manafort. b6 b7A b7C I I but Manafort did not hire this b6 indiVidual. I Ibelieved that Lewandowski did not do anything related. b7A toI believed this was an important b7C vehicle. Manafort took over the b6 had a strong relationship with Pericles Capital and eventually went to b7C b7A work for Pericles. In I ISubseguently, Manafort formed a new company called DMP I for branding purposes. Foreign Money to the Campaign There was speculation that foreign individuals wanted to donate to the campaign and used a pass through to mask the foreign donation, but Gates was unaware of any specific situations. Gates stated he believed foreign governments did donate to the Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 19 of 20 Page through U.S. based based companies but he did not remember any specifics. Gates stated he would look at his holdings to see if he could find any specifics. Uncoordinated Rallies and Media Campaigns Gates stated that the campaign controlled all the rallies that Trump attended. Regarding uncoordinated rallies, the campaign did not focus or track them, and did not have any system to identify where people were organizing these uncoordinated rallies. The campaign utilized the resources of the RNC when they utilized Trump surrogates. The campaign only tracked social/digital media adds that were organized by Brad Parscale. Digital media was controlled by Parscale and was hard to figure out. Parscale had a relationship with Facebook, Twitter and the main relationship with Google. Parscale developed the b6 digital add buy strategy for the campaign which targeted areas Clinton was b7C campaigning; thus, most of the digital adds people were seeing in those specific areas were for Trump. Another strategy was to buy all add time for a specific date ahead of Clinton arriving in that location with the purpose of dominating the digital market in that area. The campaign attempted to figure out where the money that funded the anti?Trump/pro?Clinton digital media came from. Other Gates worked for Barrack when Comey was fired and he had no information about the firing. Barrack and Gates were in Wasington, D.C. when Comey was fired. Gates stated that he and Barrack discussed Comey being fired and that it was a typical Trump behavior to react without waiting for all the facts. Gates does not recall if he spoke to Manafort about Comey b6 being fired. Gates spoke it in general terms and they b7C discussed how this was typical Trump behavior. Gates speculated that Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation based on his knowledge of Trump's personality, but Gates did not have any actual insight. Gates had no information regarding why was fired. Gates spoke to McFarland after was fired and she was very upset and concerned about how it would effect her role in the administration. However, Gates never discussed with McFarland what knew regarding Russia. After Manafort left the campaign, Mike Pence would occasionally ask Gates how Manafort was doing. Fain-gmz'irm-zasa b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates Proffer #8 ,On 02/12/2018 Eng 20 of 20 Based on Gates work on the campaign, he knew that if Trump won the election he would try to build a relationship with Russia because Trump believed it was better to have a friend than an enemy, and his goal was to repair the relationship. Trump was not pleased when Congress passed sanctions against Russia. b6 b7C FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - of 15 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/28/2018 Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed by FBI Special Agentl ISupervisory Special b5 b7C and Senior Special Counsel Attorneys Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present for Gates were Thomas Green, I After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Senior Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres presented Gates with a copy of the original proffer agreement and was initialed and dated by Andres, Gates, and Gates? attorney Senior Special Counsel Attorney b5 b7C Andrew Weissmann then advised Gates of the terms and conditions regarding providing information to the government under the signed proffer agreement. Weissmann advised that under the terms of the agreement Gates has agreed to provide information to the government, and to respond to questions truthfully and completely. Weissmann advised that only being 90 percent truthful would violate the terms of the agreement and that it was only in Gates? interest to be 100 percent truthful. Weissmann advised that should the government and Gates not proceed with a cooperation agreement and be prosecuted, under the terms of the proffer agreement no statement made by Gates during the meeting could be used against him in the government?s case?in?chief at trial except the government may use any statement made or information provided by Gates in a prosecution for false statements, perjury, or obstruction of justice, premised on statements or actions during the meeting. Moreover, the government may also use any such statement or information at sentencing in support of an argument that Gates failed to provide truthful or complete information during the meeting. The government may make derivative use of any statements made or other information provided by Gates during the meeting. Gates advised that he understood the terms and agreed to the terms. Deripaska Lawsuit in New York In January 2018, Manafort told Gates that Oleg Deripaska sued Manafort and Gates in New York state court in an effort to demonstrate that he was willing to help the government's investigation by being a witness against them in exchange for being granted a visa. Gates believed that this was Investigationon 02/12/20l8 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7A b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2335 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates 3011 02/l2/20l8 Page pure speculation by Manafort. Gates and Manafort became aware of the lawsuit via the press reports. Roger Stone Gates joined the lobbying firm of Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly after I Gates worked on the firm's media/campaign strategies. Gates worked mainly for and rarely worked with Stone. Gates worked on During Gates time at this firm, he did not work directly for Manafort. at the firm and was close to Stone. During President Regan?s term, the firm became established. I The firm did extremely well in the l980s. Stone and Manafort worked together a lot. Stone worked with the Republican clients and Manafort worked with the international clients. Iwhich fractured the partnership and led to Manafot and Stone starting their own lobbying firm. Stone left this new firm because of a monetary dispute and Stone started his own lobbying firm. After Gates left the lobbying firm, he attended annual lunches that the firm held. Stone attended these annual lunches approximately every three years. In I995, Gates was recruited by I I In 1997, Gates worked asI I I I Gates main role was to sell lottery systems to foreign countries. In 2000, Gates returned to the U.S. and worked forI I 2 of 15 has close friends with Stone. Stone's relationship with Donald Trump began when Trump hired Stone to lobby on behalf of his casinosb7C FBK 19ml EYE-2385 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 Jag strong relationship with Pericles Capital and eventually went to work for Pericles. In 2010, I b6 b7C Opposition Block Gates advised that in 2014 Ukrainian work started to ?fizzle out". This was a result of the Ukrainian President, Viktor Yanukovych, fleeing to Russia in February 2014 as a result of the Euromaidan protests. As a result, the Party of Regions lost power. In approximately May 2014, the Opposition Bloc (OB) was formed by mostly former members. Manafort via DMP acted as a political consultant for OB and helped create and formulate the OB. Manafort helped pick the candidates and developed the campaign strategy to include how to rebrand the OB and distance it from the In the October 2014 parliamentary elections, the first elections the OB participated in, based on Manafort?s strategy, the OB won 10% of the vote which equated to approximately 29 seats in parliament. According to Ukrainian law, any elected parliament member automatically received immunity and this was important to former politicians because it would preclude them from being arrested because of their work for the Subsequently, the OB never materialized as a dominant party like the hired and paid by two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, Yuriy Boyko, who worked with Lyovochkin, andl Iwho worked with Akhmetov, also be worked withl ILyvochkin and Akhmetov were supposed b7C b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/20l8 Jag 4 of 15 b6 b7C b6 b7A b7C Lyovochkin appointedl land Gates worked with b5 I I Gates b7C worked on micro?targeting projects. b6 b7A Gates believed I?l b7c DMP DMP had an office in Kiev andl I Other individuals who worked at DMP were b5 two translators (Gates could only remember the name of one b7A b7C translator, DMP Post Ukraine b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/l2/20l8 Jag 5 of 15 Gates worked for Manafort/DMP after Yanukovych fled to Russia. I b6 b7C During this time period, Gates realized that he needed to reign in his lifestyle because DMP was not generating any income. trying to generate new political consulting business for b5 DMP but no new contracts materialized. For instance, I b7C Gates was not aware ofl I b6 b7C b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 6 of 15 ,Page I b6 Gates worked forl IInitiallyJ b7C I Iwere shareholders inl Ivia a company called Ioriginally established the business. lbrought inl Ias the and thenl Iwas ousted from the company. I IGates provided some consulting services tol team by assisting with business development; specifically targeting U.S. government agencies. I.D. Watchdog b6 b7C In 2011, invested in I.D. Watchdog and took an active role within the company. I.D. Watchdog was a publicly traded company. When the company discovered that they asked to remove himself from the company because this would look bad to shareholders. At this time, Gates was on the board of directors and recommended that they hirel I Gates initially invested approximatelyl Iin I.D. Watchdog. Subsequently, Gates bought out some other investors for approximately From one of their investments in I.D. Watchdog, Gates and had convertible notes. In 2016, Gates and Watchdog. Gates stated that the company had an outside law firm that b7C worked on the convertible notes and the buyout of previous investors. Gates was not aware of any illegality related to these transactions. In October or November 2016, GATES was asked step down b5 from the board of directors because of his work on the Trump campaign. b7C Gates subsequently agreed to step down. I.D. Watchdog was bought out in 2017 and Gates had to answer an SEC questionnaire. had a falling out during the John McCain b5 campaign. Manafort b7C b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rick Gates On 02/12/2018 Eng 7 of 15 appoint him to be in charge of the RNC Convention for b5 b7C McCain. However, McCain did not want to hire Manafort. As a result, Manafort felt go to bat for him?. Trump Campaign In March 2016, Manafort was hired by Trump to work for the campaign. Prior to being hired, Manafort worked on a presentation to convince Trump to appoint him to be in charge of the delegate process for the campaign. Manafort directed Gates to help him with this presentation and Gates began to collect various documents to assist with the presentation. Both Roger Stone and Tom Barrack were lobbying Trump to hire Manafort for this role. In mid?March 2016, Manafort met with Trump in Mar?a?Lago and made his presentation. The day after Easter, Manafort was hired by the campaign. Manafort brought Gates to work with him on the campaign. During the campaign, DMP/Manafort was still paying Gates a salary even though he was not doing any work for DMP. Initially, Gates? role was to conduct research on each state's delegation process. Manafort developed the strategy for how to address each state's delegate process and Gates was in charge of implementing the strategy. As Manafort got more involved in the day?to?day operations of the campaign and worked closer with Trump, Trump began to realize that the delegation process was more complicated than he realized and that Manafort knew what he was doing. As a result, Manafort started to take over the role of developing and implementing a strategy for the primaries. Manafort provided Trump with a strategy on how he would win the nomination. Manafort told Trump that if he could win the primaries in New Jersey, West Virginia, Indiana, and the mid?east states there was a path to victory. Manafort advised Trump that if he focused on and won the five early primaries, then candidates would quickly start dropping out of the race and this would enable Trump to save money because he would not have to spend a lot of money on the other primaries. At this point in the campaign, Trump was self?funding the campaign and not taking any public money. Gates? role continued to expand during the campaign to include coordinating grassroots targeting, media targeting, and he was in charge of controlling the campaign's schedule. Once Trump?s family saw that Manafort understood how to develop a professional strategy for the campaign, they realized how valuable he was and that they needed him. It was at this point that Manafort?s role in the campaign significantly expanded and Corey Lewandowski?s role diminished. Lewandowski maintained the title of campaign manager but Manafort was the de facto campaign manager who was responsible for building relationships with the RNC. Fain-gmz'myzag: (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/l2/20l8 ,Page 8 of 15 Lewandowski still traveled to most of the events with Trump but he did not have a significant role in campaign strategy. When Gates first began working for the campaign it had no organization and very little money. Manafort advocated for a traditional campaign model that required spending money and funding.I I b5 b7C Manafort had a body guard during the campaign. Initially, his body guard wasI I b6 I b7C IAnother bodyguard was hired,I I Gates thinks that Manafort?sI Ito be the bodyguard. When Manafort was fired from the campaign,I Iwas also let go. Manafort and Gates started attending the Trump family meeting in April 2016 because they were providing the family briefings on the RNC convention. When Manafort?s role increased, he started attending the family meetings frequently and provided input on who they should contact to increase support for the campaign and what media they should engage with. Subsequently, Trump?s kids advocated to Trump that if you want to build a team to win he needed to make Manafort the campaign manager. Manafort called Gates on June 19, 2016 and told Gates to meet him first thing in the morning at his apartment in Trump Tower. That morning, June 20, 2016, Manafort told Gates that Lewandowski was going to be fired. At the family meeting that morning, it was announced that Lewandowski was fired and Manafort was appointed campaign manager. Donald Trump Jr. personally told Lewandowski that he was fired. Gates stated he knew this because Ivanka Trump told them. Gates stated that Trump was somewhat against firing Lewandowski. Gates stated Rhona Graff, Trump?s personal assistant, told him that Ivanka told Trump that it?s either Lewandowski or me and if you want me to stay, Lewandowski has to go. International Monitors at the RNC I Icalled Gates during the election and offered his services to b5 b7C the campaign.I Ispecifically, to assist with organizing and assisting with the international monitor delegation at the convention. Gates explained that it is standard practice to have international monitors come to U.S. political conventions to observe how the U.S. conducts conventions. Generally, foreign delegations reach out to the campaign or RNC and request approval to monitor the b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates 3011 02/12/2018 9 of 15 Page convention. Gates did not contact any foreign individuals to participate as a monitor. He does not know if Manafort contacted anyone. Gates stated that the Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S. might have been a monitor. Gates advised thatl provided Manafort and Gates with updates b6 b7C regarding the international monitor delegation. I IThe RNC did not pay for the international monitors so they needed sponsors to pay for their expenses. Gates recalled that the Campaign Money In July 2016, there was a change in the campaign regarding paying people who worked for the campaign. Kushner stated that either consultants and/or employees of the Trump for President Campaign should be paid; thus, the Campaign would need to start obtaining public funding. Kushner told Gates that he should be put on the payroll for the Campaign. Gates was b7C Gates assumes Manafort went to Steve Mnuchin, who was in charge of the campaign?s financing, for approval but does not know that for a fact. After Manafort left the campaign, Gates did Initially, Gates had a significant role in handling the campaign?s budget. Subsequently, Kushner advised Gates that he needed to focus his time on political issues and that Jeff Dewit, the State Treasurer of Arizona, would be responsible for budgeting. Dewit was specifically hired to fill this role. Initially, Gates worked with Dewit on budgeting but he was removed from this process shortly thereafter. b6 b7C wanted to be a speaker at the RNC but both Gates and Manafort declined the request. Instead a female Arizona state senator was chosen to speak at the upset that they picked her over him. Gates advised during the Arizona Republican Primary, I IAs a result, he was viewed as someone who should not speak at the RNC. Gates also stated that he personally saw super PAC Manafort attempted to establish a series of super PACs that would support Trump, but Trump initially did not support this initiative. However, once Manafort became the official campaign manager he was able to get Trump to support the idea of creating a super IGates drafted a paper to explain to Trump the benefits of a super PAC and why it was Fain-gmz'my-zaga b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates ,On O2/l2/20l8 10 of 15 Page important. Gates highlighted that the super PAC could use the money it raised to develop and pay for ads supporting Trump and this would result in a direct positive outcome. Subsequently, Trump eventually saw the strategic value and supported the idea. Eventually, b6 b7A b7C Change in RNC Platform (Ukraine) The RNC ran the convention and they organized committee meetings before the week of the actual convention. Rick Dearborn ran the committees. J.D. Gordon and Matt Miller ran the foreign policy committee. The foreign policy committee had three prongs: Ukraine policy change; release of Saudi 9/11; and one other foreign policy issue. Manafort was not at the committee meetings and asked Gates how the Ukrainian platform changed. Gates advised that he did not know because he was not at the meeting. Gates found out about the change from Dearborn after the fact. Dearborn told Gates that the platform change on Ukraine was the same position taken by the Obama administration regarding lethal weapons. Dearborn advised that the change was a result of a proposal by a female delegate from Texas. However, Gates never obtained corroboration. Gates stated as a substantive matter, the policy position regarding Ukraine did not matter because the presidential nominee was not bound by their policy positions. Personally, Gates thought it was a good idea not to escalate issues between Russia and Ukraine. Gates advised that the change in the platform was never discussed at the Trump family meeting. Gates stated that in principal, Manafort could have tried to monetize the change in the platform but he did not. Nevertheless, if Trump was elected as president then Manafort could really monetize Trump?s election. During the week of the RNC, Manafortl I be I IManafort told Gates that he b7c could not make it to the RNC becausel I IManafort advised that Reince Priebus would run the RNC and Manafort instructed Gates to focus on the Trump family. Manafort arrived to the RNC the same day Trump arrived. b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 11 of 15 Page Manafort Removed as Campaign Manager On the morning of 03/19/216, Manafort called Gates a couple of times and instructs Gates to meet him at Trump Tower. Kushner advised Manafort that he needed to resign from the campaign and that he talked Trump into letting Manafort resign instead of being fired. Five minutes later, a press release was issued by the campaign announcing Manafort?s resignation. Initially, Manafort suggested to Kushner that he take a leave of absence rather than resign. Kushner rejected this idea and advised that Trump wanted Manafort to leave. Kushner told Manafort and Gates that they were bringing in Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway to run the campaign. The reason Manafort was forced to leave the campaign was based on a series of factors to include the negative news articles related to Manafort?s work in the Ukraine and a series of disagreements with Trump on how to handle various campaign related issues: Trump hated pollsters and Manafort wanted to bring on a pollster named Tony Fabrizio. Trump had reached out to Fabrizio in 2012 to conduct polling for him but Fabrizio never returned his call which resulted in Trump not wanting to hire Fabrizio; Manafort was not very savoy when it came to social media and did not have a good understanding of how to handle the news media. Manafort told Trump not to do media and Trump did not like this approach; Trump viewed Manafort as instrumental in the delegate process, but was not interested in Manafort?s political strategy on how Trump should disseminate his message. Manfaort wanted a big role in this aspect of the campaign but Trump did not agree with Manafort?s positions; and Trump did not want to prepare for debates and Manafort thought it was crucial to prepare Trump for debates. Tump and Manfort fought about prepping for debates and Trump once said that Manafort is ?treating me like a baby?. After Manafort departed the campaign, Manafort asked Gates what he wanted to do. Gates advised Manafort that he probably would also leave the Campaign. Gates stated b5 b7C IGates stated he had built a strong rapport with Trump and the Trump family. After Manafort departed, Gates briefed Bannon and Conway on what they were doing and what needed to still be accomplished. Once Manafort departed from the campaign, the morning Trump family meetings stopped. Bannon brought in Dave Bossie to the campaign which signaled to Gates that we was being pushed out by Bannon. Subsequently, Gates gravitated to Brad Fain-gmz'mygags b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 Jag 12 of 15 Parscale who was brought on to the campaign by Manafort to conduct digital media strategy and was still working on the campaign. Gates worked with Parscale on political strategy and what states the campaign should focus their efforts on. Sometime at the end of September or early October 2016, Gates was assigned to be the campaign?s liaison to the RNC. Gates believed this happened because Bossie and others told Trump that Gates was too close to Manafort and Left Hand Enterprises. Bannon advised Gates that Trump did not want him on the campaign anymore. Parscale was an instrumental component of the campaign?s digital media b6 strategyJ b7C I IThe strategy was that in order to build a path to victory, the campaign looked at demographics in key states which paved a path to victory. Gates stated that the liaison to the RNC was a dead end job where they stuck people who they did not want anymore. Because there was not much to do in this role, Gates continued to work with Parscale. Gates also helped Bannon with special projects such as assisting with setting up the National Security Council. Manafort had initially started the process of building a National Security Council and Gates briefed Bannon about the project. Gates attended two National Security Council meetings. The first was led by Rudy Giuliani and the second was led by Michael or Keith Kellogg. Gates stated that there was always concern by people at the campaign that he was providing inside information to Manafort. However, Gates purposefully distanced himself from Manafort to avoid this perception. Manafort told Gates that he still spoke to Kushner, Bannon and Trump sometimes, and it related to Manafort?s strategy to win states by targeting labor. Manafort?s theory was that there was a large swath of blue collar Democrats that Trump could sway to vote for him and the best way to accomplish this was by targeting the labor unions and convincing them not to provide money to the Democrat candidate, and focusing on a get the vote out campaign. Manafort recommended Trump be more inclusive of labor and align with their policy positions to court their votes. To accomplish this strategy, Trump would not take a position on the right to work issue (a majority of the Republican candidates did not support right to work issues) and conduct significant outreach to the labor leaders /groups. Manafort continued to provide polling advice after he left the campaign to include writing a memorandum to Kushner outlining his advice. Manafort? advice was to focus the limited resources the campaign had to Michigan and Wisconsin. Gates did not view this as a unique strategy. b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 13 of 15 Page was also on the list but it was concluded that the Republicans always think they can win this state but never do. Newt Gingrich wanted to include Minnesota on the list of states. Maine was also considered. The strategy regarding Maine was that if you can win one congressional district, that vote could be important to get the Electoral College votes needed to win. Manafort motivation was to enhance his relationship with Trump. After Manafort left the campaign, somebody told the Trump children that Gates was responsible for leaks to the press. However, the Trump children did not believe those rumors. Gates stated that he never leaked information to the press and hate the press?. Gates stated he did respect and had contacts with two reporters: b6 b7C Manafort also communicated with Kushner regarding debate preparations for the first debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. Gates stated that Trump thought Manafort was weak because Manafort did not fight back against the press regarding the allegations against him after he left the campaign. When Dearborn was selected to be the head of the Trump transition, Gates new he would not be involved with the transition because Dearborn did not like Manafort. Initially, Chris Christie was going to head the transition but Christie ?overstepped his bounds? by promising Ambassadorship positions to people without Trump?s approval or input. When Trump and his children found out, they replaced Christie with Dearborn. b6 b7A b7C Fain-gmz'myzag? b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rick Gates ,On 02/12/2018 Jag 14 of 15 Gates b5 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C Post Inauguration Gates was interested in working for the White House after the inauguration. Gates his hope was to secure a job with the White House. Specifically, Gates wanted to work for Pence. Gates became close to Mike Pence during the campaign and was the staff member who went with Trump to meet Pence in Indiana. Gates believed Pence would have a significant impact on future administration jobs. Gates? second choice was to work for White House?s Office of Cabinet Affairs. However, Gates was never offered a position within the White House because the press was writing negative articles about Manafort and Gates, and this negative publicity insured he would not obtain a position. questioned why Gates would want to be part of the new administration because it was so hectic. Itold Gates that hel I b6 b7A IPart of Gates? role was to facilitate b7C meetings between Gates b6 b7A b7C b6 b7C FBIii-gmizmy-EBQH b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Rick Gates 3011 02/12/2018 ,Page 15 of 15 Gates advisedl I IGates worked at Colony Capital. Idid not object. While working forl Gates met withl land b6 Johnny Destefano at the White House. - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 02/17/2019 On 02/15/2019 Special Agent IIntelligence Analyst I I Senior Assistant Special Counsels Greg Andres, Jeannie Rhee, and Andrew Weissman interviewed RICHARD GATES (GATES) at the Special Counsel's Office. Present for the interview was GATES's counsel, Tom Greene. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the interview, GATES provided the following information: GATES has never seen written related to his interviews with the Special Counsel's Office. Polling Data Sent to KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK MANAEORT directed GATES to send internal polling data from the DONALD J. TRUMP CAMPAIGN to KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK (KILIMNIK), and GATES did SO. The internal polling data was provided by TONY EABRIZIO (FABRIZIO). GATES utilized WHATSAPP to forward the "top line" internal polling data to KILIMNIK. GATES understood KILIMNIK would send the internal polling data on to Ukrainian oligarchs at MANAEORT's request MANAEORT wanted to show Ukrainian oligarchs that he was doing "wonders" with the TRUMP Campaign in securing the nomination. OLEG DERIPASKA was also in the mix. GATES recalled, however, that the letter to DERIPASKA was related to MANAEORT's and DERIPASKA's legal dispute. GATES does not specifically know if MANAFORT sent internal polling data to DE RI PASKA . The majority of polling was done in battleground states. I IGATES recalled there would be a list of five or six states per poll. Investigationon 02/15/2019 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Richard Gates (02/15 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2019) ,On 02/15/2019 ,Page 2 of 4 As an example, GATES recalled that some in the campaign were concerned if TRUMP could have won Georgia. So, though not a battleground state, Georgia would appear on the list of polled states and drop off periodically. Additionally, the campaign strategy did not rely solely on the polling data. TRUMP felt he would win Virgina without the need for polling. GATES deleted the WHATSAPP messages as soon as they were sent to KILIMNIK. MANAEORT did not ask GATES to do this. GATES deleted the messages because he was concerned about KUSHNER finding out GATES had sent the data. was shown Document ID O.7.4249.l79465 (Document GATES recalled Document 1 and did not believe it was "polling data" as viewed in campaign terms, but a media market document instead. MANAEORT wanted to put MIKE PENCE (PENCE) in areas where the media market was borderline on TRUMP. This is different than a "poll." Document 1 did, however, identify polling data to show states that were pro or anti TRUMP to assist the campaign in scheduling appearances. was shown Document ID O.7.4730.llO442 (Memo)] b6 b7A b7C FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Richard Gates (02/15 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2019) ,On 02/15/2019 ,Page 3 Of 4 b6 GATES specifically recalled seeing the data based on the cities identified. b7A in Document 1. GATES was asked if he recalled the subject of an email b7C DMA list." GATES recalled Document 1 by the cities and because it was the one time they discussed travel scheduling. team came back to them a couple weeks later and said the devised schedule was not working for them. MANAFORT, Ihad access to the Document 1. GATES recalled using it to create the master schedule with GATES printed the top copy of the Document 1. Document 1 contained relevant campaign information because it informed decision making as to where PENCE was to travel. GATES recalled the Document 1 had value to the internal strategy of the campaign. strategic decision of where to send PENCE was based on that document. MEeting with KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK GATES did not recall bringing Document 1 to the meeting, or any other documents. GATES does not know if documents were passed to KILIMNIK at the 08/02/2016 meeting with MANAFORT and KILIMNIK. GATES arrived late and did not see any documents passed during the portion at which he was present. When GATES arrived he received a brief recap of topics previously discussed including the legal issues with DERIPASKA. GATES does not know if everything discussed prior to his arrival was recapped. At the 08/02/2016 meeting with GATES, MANAFORT, and KILIMNIK there was a much more detailed discussion of internal polling data compared to the data GATES sent to KILIMNIK via WHATSAPP. At the dinner meeting, GATES, MANAFORT, and KILIMNIK discussed internal polling from FABRIZIO which included battleground states. GATES recalled Wisconsin, FBK 19w12'7832-24I2 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Richard Gates (02/15 ,On 02/15/2019 4 Of 4 Minnesota, and Michigan as states MANAFORT discussed. I GATES recalled b3 MANAFORT discussed internal polling from other sources including CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA. The information provided in this meeting by MANAFORT to KILIMNIK was based on internal information and polls; it was a that included internal polling data. GATES stated they did not discuss the PENCE scheduling information with GATES said that Vice Presidential Candidates did not win elections, so there was no point in discussing scheduling with KILIMNIK. b7A b7E - 1 of 2 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/09/2018 RICHARD GATES (GATES) was proffered at the Office of the Special Counsel, Washington, D.C. Present for the proffer were FBI Special Agent DOJ Senior Financial Investigator and. b6 Special Counsel Attorney Andrew Weissmann. Also present was b7C attorney Tom Green with the law firm Sidley Austin LLP. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the proffer, GATES provided the following information: GATES initially discussed the hiccup of signing the plea agreement over the past few days. GATES explained the prior five days have been very difficult for him and his family. He spoke at length about b5 the ramifications of pleading guilty to the charged offenses. b7C Over the past several days, GATES spoke to a number of other individuals about whether to sign the plea agreement. He first spoke to b6 who GATES considered a mentor. GATES asked b7C for advice about what to do. GATES also spoke to PAUL MANAFORT (MANAFORT) three times. He spoke to MANAFORT on the phone. On Tuesday February 20, 2018, GATES told MANAFORT he was not going forward with the plea agreement. They also spoke about getting their lawyers together to talk; however, their lawyers never spoke to each other. GATES also asked MANAFORT about tapping into the Legal Defense Fund resources to help pay for some of his mounting legal expenses. MANAFORT told him to apply for the funding. GATES also had two calls with MANAFORT on Wednesday February 21, 2018, both concerning the Legal Defense Fund. GATES told MANAFORT the Legal Defense Fund would receive his application by the end of the week. GATES was hopeful to get money from the fund before signing the plea agreement. To date, GATES had not submitted the application. GATES also contended there was nothing said between he and MANAFORT about GATES not cooperating with the Special Counsel because GATES could not afford it. MANAFORT did not know GATES intended to sign the plea agreement. Investigationon 02/22/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A File# Date drafted 02/23/2018 b7E by 136 b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E Proffer Of RiCk Gates ,On 02/22/2018 Eng 2 of 2 GATES stated he would like to tell MANAEORT he would be signing the plea agreement. GATES would also have his attorney with him when he called MANAFORT. In the past couple days, GATES stated the only person he has spoken to associated with President DONALD TRUMP's (TRUMP) Administration was In particular, GATES and discussed past inauguration activities and the filing of IRS tax form 990, Return of b6 Organization Exempt from Income Tax. specifically soliciting b7C historical knowledge with the PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURAL COMMITTEE (PIC). GATES also spoke to .I Iwas with the b6 land worked with GATES onl b7C . I They discussed situation generally. On Tuesday February 20, 2018, GATES spoke to about I At the time, b6 GATES had departed ways with his attorney so he anc also spoke about b7C hiring another defense attorney. b7A GATES spoke with who he described as a business partner and someone he shared an apartment with. Together, he b6 and made up a white board with pros and cons for him signing the b7C plea agreement. He and have also spoken in the past, generally, about the possibility of a Presidential Pardon. GATES also stated he and MANAEORT have spoken in the past about the possibility of receiving a Presidential Pardon. MANAFORT told GATES of his relationship with TRUMP's personal attorney, JOHN DOWD (DOWD). DOWD suggested an opinion that TRUMP was watching the case closely. He also spoke to and about a Presidential Pardon. GATES b5 b7C stated no one has told him he would be pardoned by TRUMP. FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 02/25/2019 On 02/22/2019 Special Agent Intelligence Analyst EEC Senior Assistant Special Counsels Greg Andres and Andrew Weissmann interviewed RICHARD GATES (GATES) via telephone. GATES's counsel THOMAS GREEN (GREEN) was not present on the call, however, the attached email communication indicated Green approved the direct contact. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Special Agent and the nature of the interview, GATES provided the following information: Weissmann admonished GATES that any questions were not intended to reveal any communications with GREEN or anyone from GREEN's office. Weissmann further admonished GATES to not discuss any attorney?client privileged information of any kind during the interview; which included any information from which GATES's sole knowledge came through GREEN or GREEN's office.] was admonished to not discuss communications between GATES and When asked if since it had become publicly known that the U.S. Government was alleging that I I Ihad GATES had any conversations, excluding privileged, with anyone regarding the substance of the suspected violation, including the topics ofI b5 b7A b7C GATES GATES to the allegation discussed :gc above, as well, but their communication had no substance. GATES was not contacted by, nor did he have any substantive discussions regarding the allegation with, or anyone in b5 I GATES did not receive any messages from these people. b7C b7A Investigationon 02/22/2019 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (Phone) 336 I I 02/22/2019 File Date drafted b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev 05-08-10) b7A b7E (U) Telephone Interview of Richard Gates ContinuationofFD-SOZof (2/22/2019) ,011 02/22/2019 ,Page 2 Of 2 GATES stated that his counsel GREEN had been mistaken in indicating to the Special Counsel's Office that GATESI b6 b7A b7C FBK IUD-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1. C>f 1.7 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/24/2018 Richard William Gates previous identified, was interviewed by FBI Special Agentsl Iandl ISupervisory Special Agentl I Assistant Special Agent in Chargel I and Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann, Greg Andres and Brian Richardson. Present during the interview was counsel for Gates, Tom Green from Sidley Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates was advised that the interview was voluntary and the terms of his plea agreement, any responses he provided must truthful. Communications Accounts Email Gates provided the following email accounts as those used by him currently, or in the past: Investigationon 02/27/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b6 b7C b6 b7C b6 b7A b7C b7E FBK b7A Rev. 05-08-10 b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 ,Page 2 of 17 b6 b7C The account was used by Paul Manafort and Gates to exchange draft messages. Manafort and used another Hushmail account for their communication. Gates was not sure, but believed the name wasl I Manafort wanted communication with GatesI Would not have access. Manafort compartmentalized information in this manner often. Manafort communicated via Viber extensively. Gates was not involved in their Viber communications. b6 Gates thou?ht Manafort communicated from Gates b7A because had to translate documents and there was no need for b7c Gates to be on communications related to translation. Manafort sent via Hushmail drafts, Viber or email. Gates did not maintain email accounts in any alias names. Gates did not install any software other than that which was already included with applications, such as Hushmail. Telephone FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #9 On 02/27/20l8 Page 3 of 17 Gates used Ias his primary cell phone. Gates' previous cell phone number wasl IGates had a "bat phone" provided to him by Manafort. Gates could not recall the phone number. Gates had be another phone number but he could not recall the rest of the number. Gates did not use thel Iphone very often. Gates provided a list of all phone numbers for him, land Manafort to his Gates had an international phone for a eriod of time in 2010. The phone number was a United Kingdom and the provider was Vodaphone. Gates had a Ukrainian SIM card in 2008?2010, but he did not recall the associated phone number. Manafort referred to his bat phone as "channel but Gates did not know why. Applications Gates used a series of applications (apps) to communicate. All of the apps he downloaded would likely be associated with the same iTunes account. Gates never backed up his phones to a computer and when he obtained a new phone, he would selectively transfer some information and wipe everything else. Some of the apps were associated with Gates' phone number and some were associated with Gates' b6 b?7C Each app had a different key and the keys would change if Gates changed devices. b6 b7C b7E FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 4 of 17 Page b7E b6 b7A b7C b7E b7E b6 b7C b7E FBK 19w1278}-241 i, b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 5 of 17 Page b7E b6 b'7C b7E b7E 136 1372-1 b7C 117143 b7E b6 b7A b7C b7E b7E FBK i?gmi EYE-2412, b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 6 of 17 Page Gates used apps to communicate because he was afraid of being hacked. Many of the apps used were recommended When Gates b5 and Manafort changed which app they were using it was often because told them the app they were using had been compromised. A During the Trump Campaign, texting was a common means of communication, which Gates did not like. Then people began using Confide, Whatsapp and Signal to communicate. These apps allow for messages to disappear. Some disappear automatically and others can be set to disappear or be preserved depending on the settings. Gates believed some people on the Trump Campaign were using apps to leak information. Computers Gates did not backup his computer to an external hard drive. When Gates purchased a new computer, he would have the information on his previous computer transferred to his new computer and then have the old computer wiped. Gates gave a number of his old laptops to his children. Gates allowed his former image his computer onto a hard drive. b6 Gates tried to use "My Cloud" to backup information, but it did not b7c work. Gates previously used "Time Machine", but has since moved all of this information to Dropbox. Gates uses Dropbox as his cloud storage. Gates' Dropbox as well. Gates only has one Dropbox account, but that account has multiple folders. Gates shared some of his Dropbox folders and not others. Gates had the following shared folders:I I I I Gates had the following unshared foldersI A break was taken from approximately 1:17 PM to approximately 1:43 PM. Gates was asked for consent to search and image his current laptop. Gates provided such consent along with the password for his laptop:I I Gates also agreed to allow the FBI to search his b6 iPhone, withl Ihis old laptops and phones; and his hard drive b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1075: ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #9 On 02/27/20l8 Page 7 of 17 A break was taken from approximately 1:52 PM to a roximately 2:08 PM. At this point in the interview, Special Special b5 Counsel Prosecutor Brian Richardson left the interview. b7C Pre/Post Plea Gates was asked who he spoke with about his decision to plead guilty. Gates was in Richmond and Washington, D.C. durinq the two weeks prior to his plea hearing. Gates communicated with I be b7A land b7C Paul Manafort. b6 b?7C b6 b7C FBK i?gml EYE-2414 b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1075: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 8 of 17 Page Manafort reached out to Gates multiple times through the app Signal during the week prior to his plea hearing and on the morning of his plea hearing. Gates only answered one of Manafort's calls on the morning on his plea hearing. The last communication from Manafort was a text on the day of the hearing which said something to the effect of, "Call me. I'm your friend. We can work through this." The call Gates had with Manafort on the day of the hearing was witnessed Mho were with Gates. Manafort did not b6 b7C know thatl Iwere present for the call. Manafort was trying to convince Gates not to plead guilty. Manafort said they could fight the charges and detailed some potential defenses. Manafort referenced "several avenues" that could be used to fight the charges, specifically as they related to the money laundering and bank fraud charges. Manafort told Gates not to give in. In previous calls and texts with Manafort that same week, Manafort told Gates "our friends are behind us". Gates understood this to mean people within the Trump Administration were supporting him and Manafort. Manafort said a legal defense fund had been set up for Gates and Manafort. Manafort referenced speaking with someone at the Republican National Committee (RNC) about this, but Gates was not sure who. Manafort referenced talking to John Dowd, but Gates wasn't sure if this is who told Manafort about the fund. Manafort did not reach out to Gates after the plea hearing. not reached out to Gates since the indictment in October. Gates has not spoke since August 2016, or possibly via Whatsapp in November 2016. b6 b7A b?C Gates spoke with about how the Nunes Memo could impact the Special Counsel's investigation. After the plea hearing, Gates was "bombarded" with texts and emails. Gates responded to some of them and not to others. b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 9 of 17 Page Gates did not have any communication with Manafort, President Trump, anyone from the Trump Camoaign, or anyone from the RNC after his plea. Gates did speak to both of whom working with Gates on the Campaign and who currently work in the Trump Administration after his plea. Both expressed their support. Only Manafort and tried to persuade Gates to not plead guilty. Others with whom Gates spoke were mostly supportive and b7C encouraged Gates to separate from Manafort and get his life back on track. The only offer of material value Gates received in exchange for not pleading guilty was the offer of a legal defense fund. Gates "back channeled" to see if the legal defense fund was a reality. called someone at the RNC to find information on the fund, but he could not determine if it even existed. Gates did not know with spoke. Gates had not heard that the legal defense fund was only for unindicted parties. Gates thought there was one fund for those within the Trump Administration and one fund for Gates and Manafort specifically. Gates asked Manafort who the financial backers were for this fund, but Manafort only said Dowd and RNC donors. The advice Gates received on why not to plead guilty centered on the b6 OIG Investigation and the Nunes Memo. Gates spoke with b7A and Manafort about how these would impact the Special Counsel's b7C investigation. b6 b7C b7E Manafort had conversations with Sean Hannity at Fox News about what the Nunes Memo would contain. Hannity had insight into what was contained in the Nunes Memo prior to it being released. Hannity and Manafort had a FBK 19w12'7832-2415 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 10 of 17 ,Page good relationship. Hannity was a Trump supporter who publically applauded Manafort's hiring by the Trump Campaign. Hannity said, "Finally, we have an adult in the room" when Manafort was hired. During the campaign, Hannity tailored his shows to the agenda Manafort suggested. Hannity called himself a "pundit", not a journalist. With regards to the OIG report, Manafort and Gates discussed how OIG charges against DOJ or FBI might impact the Special Counsel's investigation as well. Specifically, if the OIG found misdeeds by DOJ or FBI as it related to the Clinton Email investigation, I b7E or the Clinton Foundation investigation, that might impact Gates and Manafort's case. Gates stated the public "hysteria" surrounding many of the investigations was not necessarily based in fact. By way of example, when John Podesta's emails were hacked and b5 b7C this made Hilary Clinton look dirty. When it was discovered that the Steele Dossier was paid for by Democrats, it was ignored that it had been partially paid for by Republicans too. In Gates' opinion, the "hype" was based upon narratives people created using selective information. Gates ultimately decided to plead guilty and cooperate because it gave him the opportunity to have a clean slate. Gates had to get past a lot of voices telling him to "fight it", "you'll get pardoned" and other things. In the end, Gates was not happy with what he did up to this point. Gates wanted his children to look up to him, not down. Gates can't worry about "what ifs", like "what if Manafort gets pardoned", or "what if I get more time than I expected". Gates had to make a decision for him and his family. Gates wanted to make that decision and move on. Gates understood he may get more time than expected. Gates had to make peace that he did the right thing, no matter what the outcome will be. Gates hoped for a light sentence and to minimize his jail time, but ultimately, he understood he might not get that. Gates had to make the right decision for his family despite not knowing what will happen. Gates made bad decisions in the past. Gates realized he needed to tell the truth and give himself a clean slate. Gates understood cooperating meant telling the truth. Gates felt like Manafort used him, but Gates was still fully responsible for the bad decisions he made with Manafort. Konik Madison b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 ll of 17 Page Gates is currently working Konik Madison, a company Gates previously. Gates removed himself as a partner of the company and is participating mostly behind the scenes. hiredl Ito be a partner. b6 b7C Mostly, Gates is working on FEMA and DOL procurements. Gates helps bring in clients and looks for potential contracts, but does not interface with any of the government clients. Gates an apartment in D.C. at Washington, D.C. Legal Fees When Gates first received letters from the House and Senate Intelligence Committees to testify, When Gates received the subpoena from the Special Counsel's office and backed out. Gates did not believe ates aid especially when Gates was le al bills were exorbitant and b7A I made any payments to b7C aware of some of the legal fees. However, since bills went he was not aware of all the reasons was billing. Gates practices were egregious. Post Indictment, Gates has been paying his legal fees with withdrawals from his stock portfolio. No third parties have contributed to Gates' legal fees. IDW Gates was asked about the 2017 acquisition of ID Watchdog (IDW) by Equifax. Gates explained in May 2017, he was contacted by IDW CEO, and offered to purchase warrant options which had, or were about to . . . b6 expire. Gates filled out some paperwork and was supposed to Wire funds to . b7C pay for the warrant options. Then in late May 2017, or early June 2017, Icont ct Gates to tell him about the pending acquisition by Equifax. wanted Gates andl Irepresentatives to sign a non?disclosure agreement (NDA) to receive the information. (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/20l8 b7A b7E ,Page 12 of 17 sent Gates a number of emails saying the funds had to be in by that date. On June 16, 2017, the acquisition of IDW by Equifax was made public. b6 b7C Gates could not recall him his wire had to be in before the announcement. Gates knew the wire had to be in by a certain day, but he did not know if that was why. Gates was told the announcement was supposed to happen on June 14, 2017, but it was delayed because of some paperwork issues. Gates was asked when he spoke withl land what he told about the acquisition. Gates said he needed to look through his communications to determine if he spoke Gates thought he met withl Iin person. Gates thought he did not meet with or speak t4 Iabout the acquisition until it was publically announced. Gates had told that he hoped IDW would sell. Over the course of a few months leading up to the acquisition, Gates had told that there was a potential purchase. had shares in IDW from 2011. I b6 had shares as well. Gates did not knowl I b7C lhad shares in IDW until he received a letter from the SEC. Gates did not talk to?about the pending acquisition. Gates had one conversation with ?early on. Gates thought and talked about IDW. Gates "definitely had several conversations" "positive things happening" with IDW. Gates did not know if he told specifically about the acquisition by Equifax before it was publically announced. Gates then stated if he met with after he learned of the Equifax acquisition and before the public announcement, he "definitely" would have spoken with about the news. Gates stated he would b6 look at his calendar to determine if they met during the end of May or b7C first two weeks of June 2017. Gates received two letters from the SEC about the IDW matter. The first letter contained a list of people and asked the recipient to identify any people on the list who they knew. Gates responded that he knew Gates received a second letter FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 13 of 17 Page from the SEC asking for the nature of Gates' interaction with Gates stated he did not knowl invested until the b6 letter. Gates thoughtl "must have told them something". b7C Gates did not speak withI Iabout this issue. Gates did speak with Iapproximately two months ago. Gates told I Iname was on the list. Isaid she was unaware of this specific investment, but she knewl Ihad done some investments together. Gates did not receive any money froml after the acquisition. b6 b7C A break was taken from approximately 3:37 PM until approximately 3:39 PM. Akhmetov b6 b7A b7C Akhmetov owned US Coal. US Coal was used to try and lobby Senator Manchin in 2012/2013. Ukraine's natural resources are in the Donetsk region. The reason Russia invaded the Crimea was to acquire the assets in the industrial and resource rich part of Ukraine. Gates' understanding was that the invasion of Crimea "bled Akhmetov" of his resources. b6 b7A b7C FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #9 On 02/27/20l8 Page 14 of 17 b6 b7A b7C Manafort told Gates he was going to relay the above information to but Gates did not believe Manafort ever did this. Gates never relayed the information either. United Kingdom Gates lived in London froml Iwhen he worked for G?Tech. Gates also lived in London froml while he was working on the Pericles deal. It was easier to commute to Ukraine from London than b7C from the b6 b7C FBK 19w1278}-242 i, b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 15 of 17 Page b6 b7C 136 1:78 b6 b7C b7A Foreign Campaign Contributions Gates helped set up the various 501(c)(4) entities for the Trump Campaign. Gates wrote a memo which said foreign contributions could be FBK 19w12'7832-2422 I b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 ,Page 16 of 17 accepted if the funds went toward policy issues and not directly to the campaign. Gates clarified that his memo said at least 51% of the foreign funds had to go toward policy issues. b6 b7A Gates explained that most of the large donations to Trump came into the b7c Inaugural fund. Many of the donors had ties to foreign countries. For example, Anthon Scaramucci had ties to China, Citgo was owned by Venezuela ties to Ukraine. Other donors had connections to the Middle East, Eastern Europe, China and elsewhere. Gates was not specifically aware of any donors being proxies for foreign donations. Manafort Criminal Activity In 2007 and 2008, Gates believed Manafort a donation John McCain's Presidential Campaign. Gates :gA believed the money went from account to a 501(c)(4). Gates b7C believed Manafort and worked on this with Ilast name unrecalled (LNU), who worked on the McCain campaign. Troll Farms Gates was aware of the "troll farms", but he referred to them as "avatars". When Gates worked on Ukrainian campaigns, it was common for the Russians to use avatars to influence social media. Gates believed this was used on both sides of the elections in Ukraine. Neither Gates, nor DMP were involved in the social media aspect of campaigns in Ukraine and did not get involved with avatars. During the Trump Campaign, Gates was not aware of the use of avatars. However, there was discussion of how to get the message out into social media and create a buzz on Facebook, Twitter and Google. Cambridge Analytica's polling data identified target groups and then social media outreach was done to target those groups specifically. Gates was not aware of any targeting done by Russians. Other FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375: ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #9 ,On 02/27/2018 17 of 17 Page Gates thought other areas which may be of interest to the Special Counsel's Office are: debate preparation on topics of Russia, China and National Security issues; and the digital and polling campaigns run by Brad Parscale, Data Trust and Cambridge Analytica. FBK igw12'7832?2424 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/13/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Supervisory Special Agent ASACI Senior Special Counsel Attorney Andrew Weissmann and Senior Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Bank Contacts: Gates stated that Iandl Ihad relationships with many banks. Iwas another contact at the banks tied tol IPaul Manafort?s (Gates didn?t recall the name). According to Gates, business transactions went through Gates stated that had relationships withl I Gates was asked about I I He was not aware of documents or DMP {At this point Forensic Accountant Ientered the room.} Campaign: I Gates stated that Reince Priebus was aware of this, Investigationon 02/28/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File I by Datedrafted 06/11/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 1:93.31 27 8:1?242 5 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard Gates on 2? ,On 02/28/2018 Jag 2 Of 2 I Gates was directed by b6 Jared Kushner to try to clear all payments. Gates estimated he last spoke b7C I Gates stated that Manafort had asked for a ?Defensive Paper,? as a journalist was looking into certain allegations at the time. The goal, Gates stated, was to show there were ?no links.? . . b6 Gates added that as of December 2016, Manafort was still speaking to b7C people in the Trump team, such as b6 b7A b7C Gates stated that he was contacted weeks ago by close with told Gates that passes on his best.? The da Gates pleaded guilty, Icontacted him and stated b5 about yMJH?Gates stated thaq Iwas b7C the Trump Inauguration who now works at The two had spoken a few weeks ago to discuss the Inauguration. UNCLASSIFIED #Fese- FBK ism-1273}-2425 b7A b7E IUD-302 - i. C): J.z - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/22/2018 Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed by FBI Special Agent Supervisory Special Agent] and Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present for Gates were Thomas Green, Iof Sidley Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates signed and acknowledged understanding the proffer agreement and was reminded that the interview was voluntary, but if he chose to answer questions he needed to be truthful in his responses. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher Gates was reminded about the memorandum from Manafort to dated March 23, 2013 with the subject line, Consultants Activity - Weekly Update" which was shown to him in a previous proffer. Gates was reminded that the metadata from this memorandum showed that Gates was the author of the document. The relevant portion of the memorandum read as follows: "MEeting with Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (Chairman, House Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia and Emerging Threats). The meeting with Cong Rohrabacher went well. He and I are building a plan to create a framework to promote positive interactions between the Govt of Ukraine and Rohrabachers' [sic] Subcommittee. Cong Rohrabacher is open minded on Ukraine. He is prepared to visit Ukr to gain more understanding. He is opposed to sanctions and said he would not let the Subcommtitee on Eurasia entertain any proposed legislation regarding sanctions for Ukraine." Gates was asked why he previously said the meeting between Manafort, and Rohrabacher in March 2013 did not relate to Ukraine. Investigationon 02/09/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 278)?242 7 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,011 02/09/2018 Page 2 of 12 Gates stated he "made a mistake" in representing his conversation with Gates explained that in 2016, when Manafort and Gates were working to respond to the FARA Unit, Manafort told Gates the meeting with Rohrabacher did not involve conversations about Ukraine. was going to tell about Ukraine. Gates knew this was not true. Manafort said he that he and Rohrabacher did not talk In 2013, after the meeting with Rohrabacher, both Manafort and told Gates the meeting "went fine". At that time, neither Manafort, nor old Gates that Ukraine was not discussed during the meeting. b6 b7C Energy Today Gates acquired 1,750,000 shares of Energy Today stock I Igranted Gates shares as compensation for government relations (GR) were doing for one Gates and clarified that granted to Gates and were a portion of given to him by the owner. Today's owner. and public relations Gates (PR) work was an investor in Energy Today and the shares block of shares Gates could not recall the name of Energy Gates metl Ithrough Imetl Gates knew Energy Today was a publically traded company, think the shares would amount to anything. shares, of change in the company. the stock certificates were recalled due to a merger, but he did not Shortly after acquiring the reissued, but Gates never received them back and did not know what happened to them. Later, Today's management team. Gates learned there were issues on Energy or some kind The stock certificates were supposed to be The campaign done by Gates Energy Today was part government outreach and part media strategy. Energy Today companies in the oil and technology industry and they hired dad a series b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 3 of 12 Page Gates to lobby in California, New Mexico and Arizona. Specifically, he b7C and Gates were tasked with targeting these states' energy contracts. Gates did not know Energy Today was a Cyprus based entity. Gates thought Energy Today was located in the US. Gates and did not do much work for Energy Today. Gates recalled looking up some information on who ran the energy regulatory departments b7C in California and Texas, but nothing beyond that. The stock certificates given to Gates and were issued to the name b6 b7C Gates deposited the certificates in or around June 2013. Gates did not know exactly how long prior to this he received the certificates, but he believed it was not long. Gates was asked why he and hp front. Gates explained that the stock was not really worth that amount b6 because there was no trading activity, therefore, Gates would not have b7C been able to sell the stock because there was no buyer. There was no trading of the stock outside the four owners. The goal was to take Energy Today to a different level so the stock would have value. Gates and understood that they could not sell the stock and they were expected to hold on to it for a period of time. When the stocks were recalled, they were supposed to be reissued to GB Consulting, however they never were. told Gates he had a falling b6 out with the new owner of Energy Today and that's why the stocks were b7C never reissued. said he would take care of it, but he never did. Gates never followed up with Energy Today. Gates recalledl Isaying the new owner of Energy Today was "cash strapped". was supposed to invest more in the companyso. Gates believed this was the cause of the falling out. Gates not have a written contract for the work done with or Energy Today. This work was separate from anything Gates or b5 b7C did for DMP. Manafort was not involved in GB Consulting or Energy Today. FBK 19w12'7832-2429 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 Eng 4 of 12 Gates initially said he did not do any outreach to any foreign countries for Energy Today. Gates then stated that he was asked to reach out to oligarchs in Ukraine. Gates thought he may have reached out to a few mid?level oligarchs. b6 b7C Gates may have reached out to Konstantin Kilimnik to connect him to some oligarchs, but he could not recall. Gates stated that Ukrainian oligarchs were not interested in investing in the US. b6 b7C Gates did not know of any connection between Energy Today and Ukrainian oil contracts or Russian oil and gas companies. Gates never told his CPA or accountant that he had received stock and /or shares in lieu of payment for services. b6 b7C Gates had no knowledge ofl Ilobbying any government official. had foreign partners in their businesses, but Gates was not aware of any foreign contributions to US political campaigns :5 through the or their companies. Navitas LLC. Gates Navitas LLC. for the purpose of a joint venture agreement (JVA) withl I The JVA was supposed to identify b6 domestic investments forl b?C FBK 19w12783+2433 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 Eng 5 of 12 was supposed to invest capital for the JVAresult, this business never materialized. b7C PARA b6 b7C b6 b7C was brought on to target both Republican and Democrat members of Congress in Nevada, Illinois, California, C.) with regards to labor contracts. b6 and the District of Columbia (b7C FBK igw12'7832?243 i, b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Rick Gates Proffer #7 On 02/09/20l8 Page 6 of 12 b6 b7C Gates did not recall haVing a conversation withl Iabout b6 PARA. MC b6 b7C Payment with Stock Gates was asked if he had ever received stock, or shares in a company in lieu of payment other that described above. Gates stated he was b6 offered companies, but that deal never b7C materialized. This deal morphed into the Navitas LLC. JVA. Gates was asked if he, Manafort or DMP had ever received stock, or shares in a company in lieu of payment for services. Gates explained that John Hannah LLC. had a stake in one ofl companies called hnded up becoming Eyelock. Manafort and were early investors inI received a percentage of the companyb7C FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 Eng Watchdog IDW created identity theft software, monitoring and resolution products. Gates was asked what the connection between and ID Watchdog (IDW) was. Gates stated thatl Irecommended Gates for the board b6 of IDW when left. Beyondl land Gates sitting on b7C lDW's board, Gates did not know of any other connection between the two companies. Cohen was on IDW's board from 2012?2013 and Gates was on IDW's board from 2011 until 2016 when Gates was asked to resign because of his work on the Trump Campaign. Gates explained he was asked to step down because of the "spectacle of Trump" and also because of negative news stories related to Gates' work in Ukraine and alleged ties to Russia. Gates' resignation from board was effective November 2016. Laidlaw Co., a broker with which Cohen worked, identified the opportunity to invest in IDW. Laidlaw Co. had brought in 12?13 other investors in addition to Gates and Cohen. The total amount of the first investment was approximately $900,000. Gates put in $250,000, Cohen put in $250,000 and the other investors brought in the balance. At some point, Gates and Cohen bought out most of the other investors. FBK b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 8 of 12 ,Page Gates and Cohen created Jupiter Venture Holdings (JVH) and Jupiter Venture Partners (JVP) for the purpose of this investment. JVH was the holding company controlled by Gates and Cohen. JVP was the investing vehicle which included not only Gates and Cohen's investments, but also the investments of the 12?13 other investors. b6 b7C Initially, IDW stock was trading at approximately $.10 per share. At one point, it went up to $.24 per share and then it went down again. Some of the investors wanted out of the deal. "Based upon projections", Gates stayed in. Gates and Cohen purchased the shares of the investors who wanted to exit the deal at between $.13 to $.15 per share. Cohen put up the funds to buy out the other investors. Gates issued Cohen a promissory note for his half of the purchase price. Gates ultimately repaid Cohen. Gates believed he repaid Cohen with transfers from Gates' US based accounts into Cohen's Ginger Holdings account. Gates was asked on what "projections" he was basing his decision to stay in the company. Gates believed the "strategic plan of the company" was moving to a more stable model which included identity theft protection and resolution. IDW was also moving into the employee benefit and pension space and offering identity theft protection services to those industries. Gates were on the board of IDW and had access to information be about IDW's strategic plans. Gates did not know if this information was b7c also communicated to the other investors. Sometime between 2012 and 2014, Gates outstanding warrants in IDW. These warrants were from investors who had pulled b6 b7C out. At one point, some of the warrants Gates had purchased expired, but since the company was not solvent at that time, Gates lost money. There was a point when IDW stock was $.03 to $.05 per share. FBK igw12'7832?2434 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Continuation of FD-302 of Gates investment was in the form of a convertible rate note of Series A Preferred Shares at an interest rate of 15%. The note matured in 2015. IDW asked for an extension because they were "under water" in 2015. Gates and those to extend the note to 2016. The extension agreement involved interest payments above those already due from the original note. Gates did not report his portion of this payment on his original 2016 tax returns. Gates had no intention of claiming these funds on his taxes, but when he learned of the Special Counsel's investigation, he amended his returns to include these funds. After leaving IDW's board, Gates maintained contact with to present. In or around May or June Gates and reoresentative to inform them of a potential acquisition of IDW. told Gates they were moving toward an acquisition by Equifax and needed to know how Gates would vote as a shareholder in the company. Gates in order to consummate the deal, they needed to represent to Equifax that a majority of their shareholders would vote in favor of the acquisitiond said he was reaching out to all shareholders to understand their position on the acquisition. I Itold Gates a range that they expected the purchase price to be in, but stated the final number had not yet been determined. Gates and representatives submitted proxy forms allowing IDW to vote their Rick Gates Proffer #7 On 02/09/2018 Page 9 of 12 shares. In August 2016, the acquisition by Equifax finalized and Gates cashed out his shares. Gates had some shares which were his alone and some which were shared with ,b7C Prior to the acquiSition by Equifax, IDW's stock was trading at $.03 LU $.12 per share. When Equifa 's purchase was complete. Gates used his between b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b?E (U) Rick Gates Proffer #7 On 02/09/2018 Eng 10 of 12 b6 b7C b6 b7C Gates was asked if he notified anyone of the pending acquisition of IDW by Equifax before the information was made public. Gates initially said no. Gates was asked this question again. Gates stated that he may have notified his brother and his dad. Gates had originally acquired shares in IDW in 2011. Gates did not know if still had those shares in b6 2017. b7c b6 b7C Gates did not tell anyone else about the Equifax purchase. Gates received two letters from the Securities Exchange Commission (SEC). The first was in November 2017 and the second in December 2017. Gates believed the letters were sent to all IDW board members. The first letter asked IDW board members if they knew anyone on a list of 25? 30 people. Gates identified two people he knew from the b6 1 The second letter asked Gates for his relationship to b7C b6 b7C Gates the only person he told about the pending acquisition of IDW. When Gates learned about the acquisition from b6 I Gates could not recall for sure if he b7C toldl that Equifax was the purchaser. Gates discussed IDW throughout the years. In 2011, b6 lhad shares in IDW. Gates did not know b7C maintained those shares. FBK 19w12'7832-2435 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,011 Gates did not tell the SEC. Gates has not talked to In Gates' response to the second letter, I Gates said he knew contact with him during the relevant time frame. b7A b7E 02/09/2018 ,Page Gates said he knew but had not had any Gates did not tell the SEC that bothl were connected tol did not tell the SEC that he told it was public. Gates did not know ifI 11 of 12 when he received the list of names from about IDW. b7C Gates about the acquisition before Iacquired shares in IDW before the acquisition. Gates did not know how muchl has not spoken with either about this matter. had made off any shares they may have purchased. Gates Gates was asked if he acquired any new shares in IDW after learning of the acquisition. Gates stated he did not. Gates was shown an email dated June 14, 2017 between Gates and IGates'l contacted Gates several days in advance of this email and told him that his warrants were about to expire. said Gates needed to exercise his right to purchase the warrants prior to the acquisition by Equifax, but he had a limited time to do the window for Gates to exercise his right to purchase had been extended. At the time of the call was no longer a board member, but he had warrant options from previous years, 2011. expired in 2016. shares even though he was no longer on the board. some dating back to Some of the warrant options were about to expire and some had told Gates he was allowed to purchase his director Gates Gates after the warrant options had expired. exercise his options even though they were expired. said another Gates the board was allowing him b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b'7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates Proffer #7 ,On 02/09/2018 12 of 12 Page board member, had complained because his warrant options b6 expired without notice. For that reason, IDW was allowing all board b7C members to exercise expired options. Gates did not know why and the IDW board were allowing Gates to b6 exercise his warrant options knowing that the acquisition was about to be b7C made public. Gates said the "probably shouldn't" have let him. b6 b7C Gates was asked why he did not purchase the warrants when first called him. Gates claimed he did not have the money to do so. Gates had planned to purchase the warrants earlier, but he didn't. Gates had actually signed the paperwork, but he had not wired the funds. Gates could not recall for sure, but believed the date on the paperwork was backdated to make it seem like he had exercised his warrant options at an earlier date. Gates was asked why he waited until June 14, 2017 to purchase his warrants. Gates stated he knew the Equifax acquisition was going to be announced. b6 b7C FBK - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/11/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Special Counsel Senior Attorneys Andrew b6 Weissmann and Greg Andres. Gates' attorney, of Sidley Austin b7C LLP, was present. After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates stated that he has had his present mobile telephone since December 2017. He gave his previous mobile telephone His phone b5 b7C prior to that was provided to August 2016 MEeting at the Havana Club: Gates stated that he hadn?t previously read the 6/19/2017 Washington Post article, which contained a statement from Konstantin Kilimnik regarding a meeting held in New York on 8/2/2016. Gates stated that following the 8/2/2016 meeting (which was held at New York?s Havana Club), Gates spoke to Paul Manafort regarding a subsequent Politico story about it. The author of the Politico article, Kenneth Vogel, had emailed a list of questions to Manafort. Manafort forwarded these questions to Gates, who answered ?no? to all the questions. Gates admitted that he lied to Vogel with these responses. He had been assured no one would find out about this meeting. Gates stated that Jared Kushner became angry following the Politico article, unsure as to why Manafort would have such a meeting. While Gates claims he can?t recall many conversations with Manafort regarding the 8/2/2016 meeting, he did recall that Manafort asked him if he (Gates) had received any telephone calls about the meeting. b6 b7A b7C lGates did not recall whether he or Manafort reached out to Kilimnik once news articles of the meeting surfaced. Gates noted that the 6/19/2017 Washington Post article quoted Kilimnik that he and Manafort spoke merely about unpaid bills, a general update on the political situation in Ukraine, and general news. Kilimnik insisted Investigationon 03/01/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 04 05 2018 File Date drafted 137 A by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?243 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard William ,On 03/01/2018 2 Of 4 that there was no discussion regarding politics in the U.S. or the upcoming election. Gates disagreed with this, stating that a path to victory involving four battleground states was, in fact, discussed in the meeting. Gates believed that Manafort assumed he (Gates) would not say anything about the meeting due to their history together. b6 b7A b7C DNC Hackl I Gates was shown his teleohone toll records and stated that the majority of his telephone calls to electoral databases. b6 Gates stated that he had been told (including by Rhonda Graff) that b7A remained in frequent contact with Donald Trump, even after b7C lofficially left the campaign. Gates himself was present on several 'occasions in a vehicle with Trump when he (Trump) would In April or May of 2016, Gates accompanied Manafort to a meeting with The issue of Hillary Clinton?s emails was discussed frequently amongst the campaign. The campaign considered how to make the issue of Clinton?s emails a testament to her character or lack of trustworthiness. b6 b7A . lThere was always a suspicion that someone or some entity had Clinton? b7C missing 33,000 emails. In a conversation with Mike stated that he knew some old operatives who might be able to get their hands on the missing emails. b6 Approximately two or three days later, it was announced that John Podesta?s emails had been hacked. Gates, in a conversation with either Jason Miller or Manafort, expressed surprise been correct. Gates noted that, a few days prior to the announcement, rumors swirled that both the RNC and DNC servers had been hacked. Following news of the hack, Gates spoke with b7C UNCLASSIFIED Eleve- FBK 199591278}-244? b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard William ,On 03/01/2018 3 Of 4 IManafort himself had past ties withl I A Ukrainian consultant tied b6 to the DNC had previously held a round?table discussion regarding Manafort. Gates had about this, to which he replied that he had ?put out the fire for now.? As to the DNC email hacks, Gates and the team decided to run with a story that a DNC insider had assisted the hack of the DNC servers. b6 b7A b7C Supervisory Special Agent entered the room.} b6 b7C Gates stated that there was a fear that the RNC had been hacked as well. A two?tier strategy was developed. In the event a hack of the RNC had in fact occurred, the Trump campaign would seek to separate itself from the RNC. Gates had telephoned at the RNC, who stated that, while he had no details, he believed the RNC had been hacked. However, they had successfully ?contained it.? Gates believed the IT staff at the RNC had successfully limited the leak. In the event the RNC had not been b6 leaked, Gates stated the campaign would start ?ramping up? to get various b7A surrogates talking about the DNC emails. In fact, a Rapid Response Team b7c (RRT) was established to get the message out. Such surrogates as Rudy Giuliani (who Gates believed got the ?go ahead? from Trump himself) started getting the message out. Jared Kushner, meanwhile, had a more measured response, I Throughout the entire matter, Manafort told the campaign b6 b7C Departure of Manafort: Following Manafort?s exit from the Trump campaign, many within the campaign advised Gates to distance himself from him. Following the election, Gates worked for Tom Barrack. Manafort would call and ask about topics such as a proposed Cuba policy, inauguration tickets, and letters regarding FARA filings. JUne 9 2016 MEeting At Trump Tower: The morning of 6/19/2016, a ?family meeting? was held at Trump Tower UNCLASSIFIED b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard William ContinuationofFD-SOZof Gates 3011 03/01/2018 ,Page 4 of 4 with Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Manafort, Gates, and Hope Hicks to discuss an upcoming meeting. Kushner and Ivanka Trump joined the meeting late. Manafort warned the group that the meeting did not likely pertain to vital information and they should be careful. Gates later recounted that Manafort was asked about the meeting by a House Committee, which asked merely 5 or 6 broad questions as to the topic of collusion. Manafort was not asked about the 6/9/2016 meeting. An article subsequently came out about the meeting. Manafort believed that Kushner had leaked the meeting to the press. Manafort asked Gates to determine if he (Manafort) was, in fact, at the meeting. Gates checked Manafort?s calendar and confirmed that he was at it. Manafort stated that he took some notes, but largely ignored it due to an upcoming meeting he had scheduled afterwards with Reince Preibus. UNCLASSIFIED #3039 FDamuRaassun -1 of 11- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 07/19/2018 On or around 3/12/2018, Special Agents and I b6 and Special Counsel Prosecutor Greg Andres interviewed RICHARD b7c GATES Also present for portions of the interview was Special Agent land Forensic Accountant IAfter being advised of the identity of the interviewing team and the nature of the interview, GATES provided the following information: Personal Background b7A b7C 03/12/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A b7C by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?24?43 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ,On 03/12/2018 2 Of 11 b6 b7C b6 b7C and Relationship b6 GATES was strictly on business terms with MANAFORT, whereas people like b7A b7C GATES was invited one time to Hampton home but had been unable to go. GATES visited Florida home twice, including one trip that occurred on his way to Ukraine. GATES had visited Virginia home and his Trump Tower apartment. MANAEORT and GATES would go out to dinner in Ukraine, but there was otherwise very little socializing between the two. b6 b7C GATES had been to Alexandria home for a company Christmas party. MANAEORT did not enjoy celebrating birthdays. Work in Ukraine GATES went to Ukraine with MANAFORT for Pericles?related business sometime in 2007 or 2008 (07/08). GATES would go to Ukraine for serious meetings, but MANAEORT went to Ukraine often. No US carriers flew direct out of Ukraine so GATES returned most often through London or Vienna. Typically before a campaign, Party of Regions (POR) would hold a party congress where they would agree to a budget and determine who paid for what. Different factions within POR would pay for different services and it was not uncommon for one member who owned a television station to pay UNCLASSIFIED ;LFese- FBK ism-127m?2444 (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ,On 03/12/2018 Eng 3 Of 11 himself to produce and exhibit television ads. Often the ads that were produced in this manner were poor so MANAFORT brought in US consultants to do this workJ In 2007, Party of Regions won 35?40% of the parliamentary elections vote and VIKTOR YANUKOVYCH became the prime minister. GATES spent 2.5 months in Ukraine from 2009 to 2010 to support the presidential election. MANAEORT shut down their Alexandria offices in 2012 at which point GATES started receiving calls from vendors. In 2013, DMP hired Obama?s pollsters. The Ukrainian work continued with Opposition Bloc (OB) through 2014. OB received 10% of the vote in 2014. MANAFORT advised PETRO POROSHENKO in May of 2014, but POROSHENKO backed out. LYOVOCHKIN paid DMP $1.5 million in 2015 and no money in 2016. MANAFORT and SATES would see the money come in generally but not in granular detail. LYOVOCHKIN had a Western attorney and was relatively easy to deal with. Multiple US companies including Cargill, Microsoft, Pepsi, and Delta did business in Ukraine and some had considered hiring MANAEORT as a lobbyist b7A b7E b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED Apoge- b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U/?fe?ej Interview of RICK GATES 3/l2 ,On 03/12/2018 ,Pge 4 of ll in that country. MANAEORT did not want to lobby the Ukrainian government on behalf of US companies because it would not be appropriate to lobby the people for whom you were working. For much of his time working there, Ukraine was only source of income. investment funds were saved for retirement. MANAFORT Entities For the most part, MANAEORT did not distinguish between his business entities. There was no rhyme or reason behind which account would be used to pay a bill. MANAEORT would make payments from whichever account had funds available. Early on, MANAFORT would monitor his business accounts, but this gradually diminished. spending accelerated through the years as he took on greater risks. ha I b7C LOAV was an entity for real estate and was associated b6 b7C Fairfax Partners was a venture related to MANAEORT attempted to become involved in real estate with CMZ, but the company was sued by its employees and subsequently dissolved. In 2014, MANAFORT tried to keep GATES on the payroll despite no longer having the lucrative Ukraine contract. GATES found additional income through various enterprises. MANAEORT was aware of some but not all of sources of income. b6 GATES and worked together on GB Consulting and MAP Holdings. b7C GATES set up Stradella and other companies. set up a large number of others. MC Soho and MC Brooklyn were set up by b6 b7C or GATES set up businesses. Pompolo was set up as a UK entity in 2012 as a vehicle to get money out of Cyprusbecause it was easier to get money into the UK than into the US. UNCLASSIFIED FBK ism-12m}-2445 b7A b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ,On 03/12/2018 Jag 5 Of 11 Pericles Pericles was working with Pegasus on setting up an opportunistic fund with DERIPASKA as the primary investor. The company went active in April 2007. DERIPASKA wanted Pericles to meet with his company, Invest, so GATES traveled to Moscow. GATES investigated target industries for Pericles. DERIPASKA was the final decision?maker, b7A b6 b7C lawsuit in 2014 came as a total back b6 with multiple answers about what had happened, but after the deposition, b7C nothing said that something was filed in the Caymans to discontinue the lawsuit. vendor Payments Any payments made to Mallet Antiques were for the purchase of a painting or paintings. New Leaf was a landscaper. was a rug company. Big Picture Solutions was a home audio vendor. Alan Couture payments were made to purchase clothes. Cyprus GATES went to Cyprus six to eight times to meet b5 Sometimes GATES andl Iwould meet elsewhere in b7C Europe to conduct business. travel to Cyprus always coincided with a trip somewhere else nearby. Iwould make reservations for GATES in Cyprus. GATES paid for the travel with his DMP American Express or Chase credit card. GATES and MANAEORT went to Cyprus together one or two times. In 2007, MANAEORT and GATES went to Cyprus to set up bank accounts. They set up 4 companies for political work. These included Yiakora, LOAV and Global Highway, all of which listed MANAFORT as the beneficial owner. b6 b7A UNCLASSIFIED Hege- FBK i?gmi 2733.13.23. b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ,On 03/12/2018 late 2015, MANAFORT started working on loans with multi le US banks. b6 MANAEORT told GATES he was taking out loans to his b7C business. At one point in time MANAEORT put up his Bridgehampton property as collateral to help withl IbusinessJ MANAFORT Accountants and Bookkeepers In 2010, GATES was a lot more involved in taxes. He would provide tracking information and answer questions from of KWC. At one point in time, GATES meq landl lat 211 Union Street. KWC also did returns. b6 b7C were later replaced by and There was an issue for the Citizens Bank loan that income needed to be close to the prior year in order for MANAEORT to qualify for the loan. At this time, MANAFORT had no money coming in. GATES backdated at least one letter to the banks for MANAFORT. GATES b6 opined about fraudulent loans, but that b7C may not have had direct knowledge of fraud. MANAEORT worked with andl on real estate? related work. was a real estate attorney and had been close to MANAEORT for a long time. GATES never met in person. kept books at First Republic Bank. b6 b7C did not have much awareness of DMP's work in Ukraine (NEI). EX 1 Email 5/2/2014 4:27 AM from to GATES ran a law firm in Cyprus that also had an accountancy arm. b6 According to Cyprus law, businesses were required to conduct an annual b7C audit of their account in addition to thei tax filin0. Iwas the point?person for this work. Outside of GATES dealt UNCLASSIFIED @er FBK 19w1278}-2448 b7A b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,011 03/12/2018 ,Page 7 Of 11 In 2011 or 2012, switched his audit firm. b5 b7C Ukrainians were always concerned about who else was part of an entity, and so they maintained multiple entities. GATES provided information about the following companies from the email: Telmar Investments Limited Telmar Investments contracted DMP. Telmar was a clean, stand?alone entity owned by LYOVOCHKIN. LYOVOCHKIN never provided loans to MANAEORT, and MANAEORT never spoke to him about loans. Any money received from Telmar would have been income. The paperwork behind the Telmar loan was based on a template provided by DAMIANOU. signed the contract for the loan between Telmar b6 and DMP. 137?: Novirex Sales LLP 136 b7C The Novirex transfer referenced ?computers? in the transfer details because Ukrainians could avoid paying VAT by calling something a ?good? instead of a ?service?. This reference was false DMP never sold computers to Novirex. had flagged this payment for review (NEI). 23C The NovireX invoice that was found in the safe at Ukraine office was a fiction (NFI). Mistaro ventures Limited Mistaro was a company. provided a loan template :30 andl land GATES assembled the documents. GATES change dates and amounts as needed. This was not the only time they had done something similar. Cyprus did not consistently enforce taxes until in or around 2012. All taxes for Cyprus were paid through 2015 except Jeunet. Sea Chaika Corporation GATES did not recall this company. UNCLASSIFIED /-Feae- FBK ism-12783:-244g b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U/ffe?e? Interview of RICK GATES 3/l2 ,On 03/12/2018 ,Pge 8 of ll Taunton Business Limited LYOVOCHKIN owned Taunton before Telmar. Miller Chevalier Chartered Miller paid money into DMP's Cypriot companies. GATES did not know why. View Point Trade, LLP GATES did not recall View Point Trade, but believed it may have been something that MANAFORT had done related to Sovereign Wealth Funds. Other Entities Bedel and Dresler were companies or another b6 b7C Interpipe. Plymouth was al lentity and was used to pay for the Skadden report. AKHMETOV Work When MANAEORT had a contract with MANAEORT took the 23C payments on the contract over time. Nearly all the work was done in a single year, but in some cases there would be bleed?over work for subsequent years. There had been a contract for the initial work that consisted mostly of a scope of services. Following that, however, most work was done based on a handshake. Typically, payment was split into 3 tranches: some money before the work started, some during, and some at the conclusion. The bank always required an invoice and a contract for work performed. DERIPASKA GATES was not privy to details about the money received from DERIPASKA. GATES was aware of lobbying and public relations work that MANAEORT and were doing to get DERIPASKA a Visa to the United States. b7A b6 b7C worked on the Visa project and did public relations work for DERIPASKA. UNCLASSIFIED Elsi-Je- FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/l2 ,On 03/12/2018 Jag 9 Of 11 DERIPASKA was affiliated with Eurasia2l (NET). DERIPASKA tried to get into the US aluminum business and had specifically targeted Alcoa. The deals that DERIPASKA brought to MANAFORT were always a mix of business and politics. DERIPASKA was more interested in politics. DERIPASKA never asked MANAEORT to do anything significant with regards to Ukraine. outreach to DERIPASKA in 2016 was related to MANAEORT's plans to return to political consulting after the campaign. EX 2 Email 3/2/2012 5:47 from MANAFORT to GATES MANAFORT was emailing GATES to have GATES send the attached contract to :3 . . Once received, would Sign the contract. All wires went through To transfer money from one Cypriot account to another, GATES would email the amount of the transfer, the name of the company, the name of the bank and the purpose of the transfer. GATES would often go back after the payment was made to create an invoice for the client. b6 b7A b7C Money arrived to the banks as both USD and Euros. MANAEORT was happy to receive payments in Euros due to the favorable exchange rate. b6 helped set up accounts in the Grenadines. b7C EX 3 Email 3/16/2015 11:01 AM from GATES others Twice per year, NKESB would send books to who would assemble a list of questions for MANAEORT. b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 ,On 03/12/2018 10 Of 11 b6 b7C GATES had to deal with payments from some vendors including GATES believed that MANAFORT and were close. Payments made to were classified as investments. treated all accounts associated with MANAEORT as b6 own accounts regardless of who was listed as the beneficial owner. Ihad written letters saying that the account belonged to MANAFORT. In or around MANAFORT in New York. The same attorney who represented DMP in that case had represented Pericles. At the time of the interview, Pericles was represented by the law firm, Schlam, Stone Dolan, with an address of 26 Broadway, New York, NY. attorney, and MANAFORT split club seats for the Washington Redskins and box seats for the Washington Nationals. MANAFORT had season tickets for the Knicks and the Yankees. At some point in time, banks started closing accounts because of money coming in from contacts at other banks and referred MANAEOT to UBS and Citibank. UBS accepted application b6 and he moved all of his accounts there. UBS also agreed to accept payments b7C directly from Cyprus. was created in order to move money from Cyprus into the US. DMP and MANAFORT Associates b6 b7C b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED /-Feae- FBK b7A b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of RICK GATES 3/12 011 03/12/2018 Page 11 of 11 /2018 b7C and LYOVOCHKIN came to Florida sometime between 2013 and 2014 b6 (NFI). b7C Other b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED Feet-10 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date of entry 04/18/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Special Counsel Senior Attorney Greg Andres. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Overseas Travel: Gates provided three expired passports of his for review.} Gates stated that he had travelled to Germany on multiple occasions, often transiting through the country. He did meet on at least one occasion with representatives of Ukraine?s Opposition Bloc in Germany. Gates recalled two trips he made to Russia to meet with representatives of Oleg Deripaska?s Pericles Fund. The two representativesl Gates stated that his travel to Zurich may have been a trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos, also have been a meeting with Ukraine: at which he met Deripaska in 2007. It may Gates stated that he and Manafort had a number of Ukrainian a masters,? to include Rinat Akhmetov, Among the items the group worked on was brokering a truce between Viktor Yanukovich and country. Gates stated that in the 2010 elections in Ukraine, for the 2020 elections in the Manafort had brought in election observers and had provided polling data tol I Serhiy Lyovochkin was viewed as a centrist who had conducted business deals with Investigation on File 03/16/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) I)ate drafted by 03/31/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agencyb7A b7C b7E FBK b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard William on 3/16/2018 ,On 03/16/2018 2 of 2 ,Page Jared Kushner: Gates stated that he had first met Jared Kushner in late March of 2016. At the time, Gates and Kushner were on a flight with candidate Trump. Gates noted that Trump teased Kushner. Kushner soon became the de facto campaign manager, with an ability to get Trump?s ear. Gates described his relationship with Kushner during the campaign as ?friendly? and ?a close working relationship." Gates noted that he had b6 been warned by Tom Barrack to be careful, b? IBarrack provided examples to Gates of past instances when Kushner had screwed over business partners. Kushner spent a lot of time at the campaign offices, and seemed to get along well at first with Manafort. While the relationship was strong at first, eventually Kushner determined that Manafort couldn?t keep up with the fast pace of the campaign, and had not done well in his television appearances. Moreover, Trump and Manafort could never seem to ?gel.? Gates stated that when Chris Christie was brought onto the Trump campaign, Kushner never publicly commented on it. Given the past history b6 between Christie and Gates stated that Trump and Kushner b7C agreed that Christie would never serve in the administration. In August of 2016, when Manafort left the campaign, Gates believed that Kushner had, in fact, ?put the knife in him.? Gates believed that Kushner had some sort of conversation with Manafort in which he strongly suggested he (Manafort) should step aside. Following Manafort?s departure, Gates believed he still enjoyed Kushner?s support. Gates last saw Kushner in October 2017 at Cafe Milano in Georgetown. The two discussed Tom Barrack. He has had no contact with Kushner since that day. Deripaska?s Visa: b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED A?s-eye b7A essz FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) 1 5 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Daedkmq 04/25/2018 Richard William Gates previousl identified, was interviewed by Supervisory Special Agent ASACI ISenior b6 Special Counsel Attorney Andrew Weissmann and Senior Special Counsel Attorney Greg b7C Andres. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Pericles Fund The first time Gates traveled to Russia was in late 2007 or early 2008. Gates traveled from the U.S. to Moscow and stayed there for approximately two days. At Paul Manafort's direction, Gates traveled to meetl land Be Invest employees in Moscow regarding the Pericles investment. This meeting was b5 scheduled soon after Oleg Deripaska and Manafort decided to create and fund b7A Pericles. was responsible for organizing logistics related to Gates? b7C meeting with Bilnvest. However, Idid not attend the meeting. Manafort purposefully excludedl Ifrom the meeting not aware of the amount of money which was invested in the Pericles, and Manafort wanted a wall between his political work portfolio and his financial work portfolio. Gates met with the following Belnvest employees at their Moscow I The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the Pericles investment strategy. The following investment sectors were considered: telecom; (2) real estate 7 focus on Odessa; (3) pharmaceuticals; (4) agriculture; and (5) media companies. b6 Approximately two to three month later, a second meeting was held in b7A which Gates attended. Gates speculated that he traveled from Ukraine to Moscow b7C for this meeting. The purpose of this meeting was to finalize their investment strategy, pick the top five investment targets and agree on funding for Pericles. The same people from Belnvest who attended the first meeting attended this meeting. Gates did not meet during this trip. At approximately the end of 2008, Manafort directed Gates to attend a third meeting with B?Tnvest representatives in Moscow. At this meeting, Gates was advised by Belnvest that the Perciles was being put on hold and that no capital contributions were going to be made by Deripaska. Gates assumed Manafort had already heard this from Deripaska. ?kraine b6 b7A I I b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. FBI - 245% 03/18/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates ,On 03/18/2018 2 Of 5 b6 b7A b7C When Manafort met with it was usually at a hotel in Kiev, and usually nobody else attended these meetings. After the November 2016 Election b6 b7A b7C Gates sent talking points to how to respond to media inquiries regarding Manafort/Gates/DMP's work in Ukraine, b6 I I b7C I Ihad business interests in Malaysia and a preexisting relationship with the Malaysian Prime Minister. Gates understood business interests in Malaysia and that he had b5 a relationship with the Malaysia Prime Minister which dated back to at least 20l2 b7C when Trump played golf with the Malaysian Prime Minister. In 2012, the Malaysian Prime Minister played golf with Donald Trump. In late January 20l8 or February 20l8, had a conversation with Trump where Trump stated that maybe he would play golf with the Prime Minister in the summer of 2018. Gates advised Gates to help him resolve the issue between the Malaysian government and the U.S. government. that he was going to be meeting with President Trump, on various topics including and asked for Gates' advice on the best way to deal with Trump. was concerned that he might not have an opportunity to discuss the issue with Trump because of the other topics he was going to be discussing with him. After the election,, met with Trump and discussed the issue with b6 him. Trump told that the issue would be resolved. Gates stated that Trump b7C did not expound on what that meant. However, based on Gates' experience working with Trump he assessed that indicated that Trump was aware and understood the FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates ,On 03/18/2018 Eng 3 of 5 issue. meeting lasted approximately 20 minutes and it was part b5 of a larger meeting. Gates recalled that General Kelly attended the meeting and b7C the first issue discussed at the meeting was whether Secretary of State Tillerson should be fired. Gates was shown an email between him and dated Ol/05/2018 which had talkin points regarding Gates first learned about the issue from September 2017. At the time, Gates was working with on other business interests. Gates that the Malaysian Prime Minister was coming to Washington, D.C. and that that the Prime supposed to meet with asked Gates to help him resolve the case b6 because of Gates? history and knowledge of how to deal with Trump and he wanted b7C Gates' advice on who else within the Trump administration they should talk to regarding the meeting with the National Security Advisor, H.R. McMaster, but Gates did not thinkl could get a meeting with McMaster prior with President Trump. Ialso suggested meeting with the Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, but Gates advised that it would be a waste of time to talk to Tillerson because Trump did not include him in foreign delegation meetings. Gates was shown an email dated 07/08/20l7, subject "Malaysia Talking Points *Final*". Gates stated he has never seen this email before. Regarding bullet point 4, Gates stated he was not aware of any attempt by to communicate with Secretary Wilbur Ross. Gates stated that Ross had a be strong relationship with Trump from their previous business relationship. Ross b7c served and played a prominent role on the Campaign's Business Advisory Council. Gates was not aware that Ross was Gates was not aware of any relationship between Ross and Manafort. Gates was shown an email dated tilted Rick Gates: Talking Points". Gates advised to understand the Department of Justice (DOJ) interest in the case now that there was a new administration. Gates first learned of the issue between and the DOJ from in September 20l7. During this time period, Gates was working with on other business interests and told him that the Malaysian Prime Minister was in town to meet with Trump. wanted Gates' advice on how they should deal with Trump and whether they should talk to anyone else in the administration, such as H.R. McMaster. Gates he did not think he would be able to meet with McMaster prior to the meeting with Trump. if he should try to schedule a meeting with Rex Tillerson. Gates advised that it would be a waste of b6 time because Tillerson was not involved in foreign delegation meetings. Gates stated he did not have any specific knowledge of or any other department or person in the Trump administration, position regarding Rather, this was Gates' assessment based on internet research he conducted on Gates never spoke to anyone in the administration or even attempted to reach out to anyone in the administration about was the person Gates reached out to obtain information about DOJ FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates ,On 03/18/2018 Eng 4 of 5 Regarding the "Talking Points" in the 01/05/l8 email, Gates stated he drafted the talking points in consultation Regarding bullet point number 1, Gates stated he was not actually working with anyone at DOJ or the NSC, and that the entirety of this bullet was false. b6 b7C [At 13:13, SSAI land Special Counsel Attorney Zainab Ahmad joined the interview. At this point, SSAI Itook notes of the interview and it will be documented in a separate 302. At 14:40, Ahmad left the interview and taking notes.] Gates advised that contrary to the statement in bullet number 1, there was no real strategy in place to contact parties find a resolution. Gates that the National Security Division (NSD) of DOJ was responsible for handling this issue. Regarding the statement in the email, advised that McMaster attended the meeting between Trump and the Malaysian Prime Minister and they assumed that he would be the contact at the NSC. b6 b7C Regarding the statement in bullet point 2 meeting with the assistant attorney general", this was a reference to Rachel Brand. Gates stated he never really had access to Brand and never contacted her. Regarding bullet point 3, Gates stated that it was accurate that he had discussions with the president about and the president stated he was committed to getting the issue resolved. Regarding bullet point 4, Gates stated that : told him that the president told the Malaysian Prime Minister that he wanted to see him retelected and wanted b5 the issue resolved. Gates advised that if the issue was not resolved it b7C could pose a problem for the Prime Minister's re?election. Gates stated that he understood that the Prime Minister reached out to assistance with the issue. Gates did not know if was being paid by the Prime Minister for his assistance with the issue. Regarding the reference tol Iin bullet point 5, Gates stated that was a reference counsel, Ihad a contact at Iwho potentially had access tol Ibut the statementl b6 was an overstatement. b7A b7C Gates advised that a big fundraiser for Trump and that is why he was able to schedule personal meetings with Trump. was also close access to Trump. was Vice Chairman on the Republican National Committee (RNC). b6 In approximately February Gates that he was no longer b7C ursuin the issue with Trum or the "Talkin Points" lan that he and Gates FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E RiCk Gates ,On 03/18/2018 Eng 5 Of 5 drafted. that he never heard anything more from Trump on the issue and gave up on pursuing it any further. Gates did not know if had any discussions with Attorney General Sessions regarding Gates has an agreement withl Iwhereb? Ipays Gates a retainer for his services. Gates is providingl Iwith advice on how "things work within b6 the Trump administration." The advice Gates to was b7C part of the services he provided Gates stated he never had any conversations FARA or its requirements. Gates knew previously plead guilty in a criminal case but he did not obtain or discuss any specifics withl Iabout his criminal acts or how did provide Gates with advice on how he would be able to recover professionally from pleading guilty in a criminal case. FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 7 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/29/2018 was interviewed at 395 Street SW, Washington, D.C. Richard Gates, [Senior Assistant b6 Present for the interview were Special Counsel (SASC) Jeannie Rhee, SASC Andrew Weissmann, b7C and After being advised of the official identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates first joined the Trump campaign team on or about March 26, 2016. Gates said his assignment was in North Dakota. Roger Stone helped bring Paul Manafort onto the Trump campaign team. Stone specialized in media strategy, while Manafort was the "man on the ground" focusing on things like primaries. Manafort did not know Trump that wel? b5 b7A b7C Gates was asked to provide context toI sent from Stone to Gatesb7A b7C Lhasa: District of Columbia, District Of Columbia, United States Immugmmnon 03/21/2018 (In Person) Hb# Dmemmkd 04/18/2018 b6 by b7A b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its 278)'245 I, to be distributed outside your agency. b7A (Reva 05-08-10) b7E (U/m Richard Gates Interview 03/21 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,011 (33/21/2018 ,Page 2 Of 7 Gates indicated Corey Lewandowski was not a fan of Stoneb7A b7C l?eUet b7A (Reva 05-08-10) b7E Gates Interview 03/21 ,On 03/21/2018 b7A b7C JEROME CORSI Gates said Jerome Corsi b6 b7C Trump had read Corsi's book and expressed an interest in meeting Corsi. Gates said he got similar offers for meetings everyday. Gates opined the aforementioned meeting request occurred prior to the Republican National Convention [Note: the 2016 Republican National Convention occurred July 18, 2016 July 21, 2016]. b6 b7A b7C MICHAEL COHEN UNCLASSIFIED gage: FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Richard Gates Interview 03/21 ,On 03/21/2018 Jag 4 Of 7 Gates advised Stone and Michael Cohen did not have a good relationship which was further poisoned by] [relationship with Cohen. Gates b6 said despite his desire to have a formal role in the Trump campaign, Cohen b7C was never given a position. Cohen's work with the Trump Organization largely prevented him from working with the campaign due to time constraints. Cohen thought he'd be Trump's eventual Chief of Staff. Cohen was disappointed to not be offered the position, however, Cohen thought he could still obtain a role in Trump's administration. Gates advised Cohen left the Trump Organization to become Trump's personal lawyer. CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA Gates, Manafort, Parscale, and b6 I met to discuss the modeling Cambridge Analytica (CA) did for b7C the Ted Cruz campaign. Kellyanne Conway and Kushner were pushing for CA's services. b4 b6 b7C Gates thought the use of profiles was, "bullshit." b4 b6 b7C Gates said it was ultimately Kushner's decision deCiSion was supported by Ivanka Trump, and Conway. b7C Fabrizio opposed CA. Parscale and Gates did not trust CA but were overruled by Kushner. b4 b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED mean: (Rev 05-08-10) Gates Interview 03/21 Continuation of FD-302 of 2 0 8 ,011 03/21/2018 ,Page 5 of 7 COREY LEWANDOWSKI b7A b7E b7A b7C FBK (Reva 05-08-10) (U/iEDHQf'Richard Gates Interview 03/21 /2018 ,On 03/21/2018 ,Page 6 of 7 MICHAEL Gates was shown an email dated and provided additional detail. ROGER STONE PROJECTS b7A b7E b7A b7C FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Richard Gates Interview 03/21 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,011 (33/21/2018 ,Page b7A b7C Gates said he never interfaced with anyone who worked under Stone, nor b6 did he have a relationship with b7C UNCLASSIFIED FBK b7A b7E FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 2 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 04/18/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by FBI Supervisory Special . . . b6 Aoent_ Ass1stant Special Agent in Charge b7C and Senior Special Counsel Attorneys Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. After being advised of the official identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates indicated thatl had worked with Paul Manafort andl on the IprojectJ b6 b7C In 2014, Davis Manafort Partners (DMP) started winding down, having unsuccessfully sought to assist Opposition Block efforts in Ukraine. 136 b7C Throughout their dealings asked Gates to seek additional b6 investors throughout Europe. Gates, utilized his contacts in Europe, as bye well as the lure of tax credits for film investments, to find investors in Ukraine and Great Britain. Gates understood that had additional separate projects he was not b6 familiar with. He did at some point meetl a former b7C Investigationon 03/27/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A 03/31/2018 File Date drafted 137143 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b6 b7C FBK (Rev 05-08-10) b?iA b7E Interview of Richard William ContinuationofFD-SOZof Gates ,011 03/27/2018 ,Page 2 Of 2 Iwho partnered withl II b6 I Gates stated that he last spoke to b7C Iapproximately 3 years ago. Gates was shown a one page letter dated 2/12/2014 from Gates to I The letter is marked with an Gates wrote the referenced letter (A) regardingl b6 b7C Gates was shown a one page email dated 2/27/2014. The letter is marked with a Gates stated that there was ?no good purpose? for this email and letter, which he described as ?clearly fraudulent.? Gates was shown b6 b7C b7E weissmann and Andres departed the room briefly.} b6 b7C b7E weissmann and Andres return to the room and the interview concluded.} UNCLASSIFIED rose FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION On 03/18/2018, Richard GATES was interviewed, an Serial 445 of captioned investigation. I Date of entry 04/23/2018 which was documented in Investigationon 04/17/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, File I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. United States Date drafted (In Person) 04/17/2018 b6 b7A b7C b3 b6 b7A b7C FBK i?gm'12'7832?2470 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/01/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by FBI Supervisory Special Age Senior Special Counsel Attorneys Greg Andres. After b6 being advised of the official identities of the interviewing parties and b7c the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: b6 b7C Gates stated that Paul Manafort hadl Investigationon 04/17/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7}; b7C Date drafted 04/24/2018 b7E File I I by: This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?247 i - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/22/2018 (U) On 04/17/2018 Special Agentsl I and Assistant Special Counsels Greg Andres and Aaron Zelinksy interviewed RICHARD GATES (GATES) at the Special Counsel's Office. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the interview, GATES provided the following information: (U) GATES was shown a photograph of Theodore Malloch. GATES did not believe he knew the person or had met the person in the DONALD J. TRUMP (TRUMP) campaign or at TRUMP campaign headquarters. GATES recognized the person in the photograph from recent appearances in the news. (U) GATES recalled BOB MCLAUGHLIN a tall Congressman from the State of Georgia. recollection involved JEROME CORSI (CORSI). GATES I I They met related to CPAC and MCLAUGHLIN was on a subcommittee of CPAC which GATES said he could find by looking at open sources related to CORSI.I I I I They had no discussions related to the hack of DNC emails or Wikileaks. (U) GATES was sure there was an opposition document related to TRUMP but did not recall any specifics. He did not recall anyone,I I talking about an opposition document. GATES did not think it was a single codified document, but more a collection of opposition research. The discussions would have been about TRUMP needing to worry about this or that as opposed to an exact document. (U) They heard lots of things about DNC opposition research, but again not a document. It was information held by specific people I (U) The TRUMP campaign did not receive a lot of assistance from the RNC until TRUMP became the nominee. Before then, they experienced opposition from both the left and the right. Investigationon 04/17/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b,I I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 278}?2472 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard Gates On 04/17/2018 Eng 2 of 3 Nobody in b5 the TRUMP campaign urged the procurement of the emails but someone else out there had them. (U) Voter registration data came from the RNC, except for the separate data collected online related to the TRUMP campaign rallies. 4 million people's data was collected outside the RNC data. However, both the TRUMP campaign and the DNC used the RNC created data. The TRUMP campaign also got large data sets from Haystack and i360. The campaign looked at the i360 data, but it was associated to theb7C (U) There were arguments about using the Cambridge Analytica data sets and RNC data sets. Up until the end of the Primaries the RNC did not provide data to any candidate, they only gave it to the candidate in the general election. The campaign used DataTrust and Cambridge Analytica. b6 b7A b7C (U) TRUMP did not want to spend money on data, but the campaign had to do it. In the early primaries in April the campaign had to build their own modeling larger than Haystack. They looked to outside vendors which was handled by BRAD PARSCALE. They looked at FaceBook and Google, but some were too expensive. There was no free data, even in the general election, nothing was free. (U) There were some people in San Antonio assisting with data who only reported to Jared Kushner. PARSCALE was the main campaign POC. b6 b7C The b6 campaign was largely relying on media reports at the time. Isaw the reports and the source was mainly public information. They did not use private investigators.l Ito the campaign. The campaign made the decision to use the RNC to go after Wikileaks. The RNC had a different relationship with different people than the campaign. It appeared the RNC would reach out to Superpacs and other I b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Richard Gates On O4/l7/20l8 Page 3 of 3 organizations. The TRUMP campaign was not hiring externally for assistance, except in those publicly reported instances. The campaign was b6 never in a position to tell the RNC to hire a person. b7A I I b7C (U) Third party companies like Fusion GPS had suspect clear that all the information they recieved was public. GATES does not b6 know how much they paid. The RNC was putting money and research into the b7A b7C House and Senate races more than the Presidential election. FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 04/30/2018 RICHARD GATES, was interviewed at 395 Street SW, Washington, D.C. Also present in the interview were Senior Assistant b5 Special Counsel (SASC) Greg Andres, and Assistant Special Counsel (ASC) b7c Aaron Zelinsky. After being advised of the official identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, GATES provided the following information: GATES was shown a photograph (enclosed) ofl ESA asked if he recognized the person shown. GATES advised he did b7C not recognize the individual in the photograph. GATES was then asked if GATES said it was not uncommon for people seeking meetings to contact RHONA GRAFF directly. Most often, GRAFE would forward these requests to GATES. GATES advised JARED KUSHNER and JASON GREENBLATT took the lead on campaign matters related to the Jewish community and wanted GATES to set up a Jewish coalition to support the campaign. GATES said KUSHNER mentioned Israelis quite often. GATES recalled hearing the name WALID PHARES. GATES further advised had numerous private conversations with DONALD TRUMP and KUSHNERb7A b7C Investm?mon 04/19/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7C by b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2475 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Gates Interview 04/19 ,On 04/19/2018 b7A b7C GATES said the campaign team would formulate strategic messaging based on what they thought the email releases would contain, however, GATES said the timing of the releases were unknown to the team. GATES said strategy meetings involving KUSHNER, REINCE PRIEBUS, STEPHEN BANNON, b6 KELLYANNE CONWAY, and JASON MILLER in early October 2016 involved b7C discussions regarding optimal timing for an October surprise. GATES said traditionally an October surprise should take place at least three weeks out from an election. GATES said there were broad conversations about who may possess compromising information on candidate TRUMP. GATES said the TRUMP campaign team thought a tape in the possession of MARK BURNETT, from the show 'The Apprentice', was going to be the Democrat's October surprise. According to GATES, the tape contained a segment in which TRUMP used the word. GATES said there was no indication a foreign country was in possession of the BURNETT tape. GATES said it was difficult to formulate a defensive strategy to potential attacks because TRUMP would deny any accusation against him right away. GATES said the hacked emails were the TRUMP campaign's October surprise. GATES said the campaign took a "wait and see" approach and decided that whenever they got the emails, they would use them. I ESA I b7C UNCLASSIFIED H-Fer- FBK (Reva 05-08-10) b7A ME Richard Gates Interview 04/19 b6 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,011 04/19/2018 ,Page 3 Of 3 b'7A GATES recalled BRAD PARSCALE telling GATES the campaign b7C wanted to know how much more was coming. b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED htFeHe- b7A b7E - 1 of 2 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/04/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by FBI Supervisory Special b6 Agent and Senior Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. After b7C being advised of the official identities of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: In 2017, at the direction ofl 1 Gates andl I formed an entity calledl I This entity b7A was formed as a vehicle fo to invest inl b6 b7C b6 b7C b6 b'7C b6 b7C Investigationon 04/19/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A by 136 b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 1 2 78}'247 8 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Richard Gates ,011 04/19/2018 ,Page 2 Of 2 b6 b7C Gates did not briefl: about the 08/02/2016 between Konstantine Kilimnik, Manafort and Gates. b6 b7A b7C FBK igw12'7832?2479 b7A -1 of 2- b7E FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/05/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Chargel and Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Ledgers/Accounts: Gates stated that he metl Ion one occasion at Paul b6 Manafort?s home. Gates believed thatl was on the company?s b7C health care plan, possibly listed as an employee. b6 b7C b6 b7C Work with Poroshenko: In 2014, following the departure of Viktor Yanukovych from Ukraine, there was a chaotic interval (from March 2014 until December 2014) in which Manafort was retained by Petro Poroshenko. The two eventually split over a financial dispute. b6 b7C b6 b?7C Investigationon 05/24/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Personb7C This document contalns ne1ther recommendatlons nor conclusions of the FBI. It 1s the property of the FBI and 1s loaned to your agency; 1t and 1ts contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev 05-08-10) b7A b7E (U/?eeseq Interview of Richard Gates on 5? ContinuationofFD-SOZof 24?2018 3011 05/24/2018 ,Page 2 of 2 b7A b6 In June or July of 2016, the Associated Press ran an article discussing Manafort?s lobbying activities in Ukraine. b6 b7C b7A b6 b7C b7A UNCLASSIFIED /.F.ege- FBK i - 1 of 2 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/11/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres, and Forensic Accountant After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates stated that Paul Manafort divided up funds fiscal moves were typically done by either Gates or that, upon receiving bank statements, would prepare financial statements to justify money movements. Gates and Manafort worked with in 2009 to 2010, though no engagement letter was signed with that accounts in St. Vincent Grenadines. Gates stated that following the election of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine, Davis Manafort Partners (DMP) entered into a $1 million per quarter consulting agreement with the administration. This agreement was forwarded to DMP by for Sergey Lyovochkin who is based in Cyprus. In their dealings with Ukrainian clients in creating new contracts, Manafort would initially forward the terms of the contract to Gates. Gates would draft a contract, which would then be sent to Konstantin Kilimnik for translation prior to being sent to the other party. Investigationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 136 HR: b6 b7C b6 b7A 1:370 136 b7C distributed outside your agency. 278}?2432 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Richard William on 5/3/2018 ,On 05/03/2018 2 of 2 ,Page Gates stated that Cyprus was selected for the bulk of their off?shore banking ahead of Latvia, which had increased its investigations into money laundering, and Luxembourg, which had recently created new administrative requirements for opening bank accounts. UNCLASSIFIED FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/23/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Special Counsel Attorneys Greg Andres and Brandon Van Grack. After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: b6 b7C Throughout the spring of 2016, the Trump campaign sought surrogates to speak on its behalf on various topics. By mid?April 2016 principal among these were Jeff Sessions, Larry Kudlow, Rudolph Giuliani, and Mike Gates described as the ?chief surrogate? of Trump who traveled with the candidate often, including to several rallies in the South. Gates could not recall anything about a 6/30/2016 meeting between Paul Manafort and in New York. Gates first met in person on the campaign plane. Gates had previously emailed and telephoned b6 [::]regarding campaign logistics. Gates could not recall a specific telephone call with on 6/23 /2016. Gates was shown an email dated 6/23/2018 between b6 arranging a telephone call. Gates opined the call may have taken b7C place to coordinate logistics. Gates recalled that had discussed contacting consultants on matters such as opposition research, and sought to identify additional surrogates. He was unsure whether discussed social media matters. Upon being shown a one page document titled ?The MediaMeter,? a business proposal on social media, Gates stated he ?vaguely? recalled the document, but added that everyone was trying to bring their own contacts and proposals to the campaign. Gates stated that Brad Parscales handled the bulk of social media work for the campaign. Gates stated he did not recall meeting with a company at the request of Gates was present on the campaign plane when spoke to Trump regarding his views on the weakness of the U.S. intelligence agencies. Gates believed was personally bitter for having been fired from his Investigationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7A File Date drafted This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Richard William ,On 05/03/2018 Eng 2 Of 2 position at DIA during the Obama Administration, while Trump had a negative view on intelligence capabilities following the attacks of 9/11 /2001. Gates stated that there was talk amongst the campaign of foreign interference, and was certain that had influence upon Trump?s thinking. Multiple times, Gates recalled, Trump would respond to a II question on security or foreign policy by stating that talked to Mike. . . . . b6 spoke about the issue of foreign influence. A buSiness b7A entitled Cambridge Analytica pitched working on such matters in some b7C capacity. Gates added that there was an idea among the campaign that the hack of candidate Hillary Clinton?s emails was orchestrated by Russia. Gates recalled a trip on the campaign plane prior a 7/27/2016 rally in Miami in which Trump was watching television when the issue of Russian interference was raised in the program. spoke up, stating one couldn? necessarily believe the intelligence services. advised Trump to wait before taking any action or follow-up comment. stated that he ?had people? who could identify how to get the missing Clinton emails. Gates noted that be b7A b7C Keith Kellogg, and KT McFarland all opined that among the actors who may have the missing Clinton emails included North Korea, Russia, China, and possibly even some U.S. sources. Gates added that I a transition was subsequently set up following the election, believed Russia had the emails. Gates added that not one piece of evidence on this topic was ever produced by any of the individuals claiming to have knowledge. Gates stated that Trump, while not giving a direct tasking to seek the emails, did indicate ?fire.? Gates stated that the question of Clinton emails came up on additional plane trips. One of the conversations also included the advent of the phrase ?lock her up.? Gates had no interaction with during the campaign or the b6 lead up to the inauguration. Their first interaction was post? b7C inauguration, qu Gates stated that at some point between the campaign and subsequent transition, a bill was paid to a company (possibly Colt). The documents shown to Gates were placed in a UNCLASSIFIED ,Lpeae? FBK 19m1278}?24?? FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of 2- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/08/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: b6 b7C JUly 2014 Interview: Gates stated that he was previously interviewed by the FBI in July 2014. At the time, the U.S. DOJ was working with Ukrainian authorities examining the movement of assets by Viktor Yanukovych. Gates was interviewed first, followed by Paul Manafort. Gates stated that he provided the interviewers with names of accounts and individuals he dealt with in Ukraine. DMP Gates reiterated that the principals of Davis Manafort Partners (DMP) b6 Paul Manafort. held no equity in b7A the firm. Gates described himself as an employee of DMP. He received W28 b7C from the company during his time there. Ukraine: principal when they first entered into business in b6 Ukraine. Eventually, when Manafort remained to b7C handle Ukrainian matters. Gates stated that the Party of Regions was a successful political party in Ukraine for a five year stretch. Sergey Lyovochkin, Chief of Staff for Yanukovych, was among the party?s leaders. was considered a in the party handling nationwide campaigns. b6 . . . I b7C Gates metI Ia few times while working on the campaign of Gates metl Ia few times as well. Gates stated that Kilimnik worked in the Moscow office of the International Republican Institute (IRI), whose stated goal was to foster democracy as a NGO which enjoyed bi?partisan support. John McCain was a Chairman of the IRI. Investigationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 File# Date drafted 06/06/2018 b7A by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2435 b7A (Reva 05-08-10) b7E (U/fFeHe) Interview of Richard Gates on 5? ,On 05/03/2018 2 of 2 I other occasions b6 Gates sent invoices directly to the Party of Regions on DMP letterhead. b7A These typically included b7C b6 b7A b7C Actinet was a DMP company in Cyprus. Badel was owned by Plymouth b7C Conversation with Paul Manafort: Gates stated that following their indictment, he had a telephone call with Manafort. Manafort stated he had no idea they would be charged and told Gates that the DMP accounts were ?my accounts.? UNCLASSIFIED /+1=ege- FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/12/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge I After being advised of the identity of the interviewer and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates stated that Donald Trump ?hated? Nikki Haley. Gates stated that . . b6 it was known among Trump?s adVisors that b7C Vice President Mike Pence has all the ties in Congress amongst the administration. Gates pointed out that President Trump and Senator Mitch McConnell hated each other. Gates believes that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, as well as several other cabinet members, merely accepted their roles to obtain a divestment tax credit for their portfolios. Gates stated that he had discussed two deals with Timur Sapir in the past. b6 b7C Investiationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b5 b7A File# Date drafted 06/11/2018 b7C b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2438 - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/13/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. :30 After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Contacts: Since last being interviewed, Gates spoke tol Ithree times (once alone and twice in the presence of I I IGates has also had one conversation withl b6 and two conversations with Maggie Haberman. b7C Last week, Gates exchanged a text message with Brad Parscale over being named in a lawsuit filed by the Democratic National Committee (DNC). PIC: and Wiley?Rein were the legal representatives for the Presidential Inauguration Committee. Antes: Gates identified Antes as a Bahamian entity tied to Paul Manafort. Investirrationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7A by I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/04/2018 Richard William Gates was interviewed by Assistant Special Agent in ChargeI Iand Special Counsel Attorney Greg Andres. b5 After being advised of the identity of the interviewers and the nature of b7C the interview, Gates provided the following information: b6 I The job was previously held b7c IGates stated thatI I Gates stated thatl I That b6 job, he believed, was done if needed. b7C Investigationon 05/31/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Hk# I Dmemmkd 06/01/2018 b6 b7A by I I b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 1 F??i??u1278}2dg? to be distributed outside your agency. FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/26/2018 On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, Richard Gates appeared at the Office of the Special Counsell I I Also present were Senior Assistant Special Counsel Greg D. Andres and Gates' attorney, Tom Green. The be following information was furnished: b7c Since his last meeting with the Office of the Special Counsel, Gates has been in contact withI I Gates could not recall the name and/or ever meeting Gates acknowledged he was aware of b6 b7C b6 Investigationon 06/13/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) :31" File# I I Datedraftcd 06/18/2018 13713 by I I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 1 to be distributed outside your agency. 1 2 78}qu i - 1 of 1 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 07/03/2018 On Wednesday, June 20, 2018, Richard Gates appeared at the Office of the Special Counsel in preparation forl I b5 I IAlso present were Senior Assistant b7C Special Counsel Greg D. Andres and Gates' attorney, Tom Green. The following information was furnished: Prior to pleading guilty, Paul Manafort told Gates he had to be careful with his new attorney, Tom Green, because b7C b6 Manafort and Gates were both b7C As far as Gates was aware, DMP International was 100% owned by Paul Manafort. Gates stated b7A b7A Investigationon 06/20/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 06/28/2018 File Date drafted b7A by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2492 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of l- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofently 07/03/2018 On Wednesday, June 27, 2018, Richard Gates appeared at the Office of the Special Counsell I IAlso present were Senior Assistant b6 b7C Special Counsel Greg D. Andres and Gates' attorney, Tom Green. The following information was furnishedb7E 06/27/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) PM Datedrafted 06/28/2018 by I I to be distn'buted outside your agency. FBI 2 78}'2493 - 1 of 1 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 07/18/2018 On Thursday, July 5, 2018, Richard Gates appeared at the Office of the Special Counsell I I Also present were Senior Assistant Special Counsel Greg D. Andres, FBI Special Agentl land b5 I The following b7C information was furnished: Since his last meeting with the Office of the Special Counsel on July 5, 2018, Gates has been in contact withl Iregarding a potential b6 news article about Gates, Iin the NY Times. b7c Note: After approximately two hours left andl I b6 Itook over. b7C b6 b7C b6 Investigationon 07/12/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7A b7C File# I I Date drafted 07/14/2018 b7E I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?24g4 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of 3- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 09/12/2018 Richard W. Gates previously identified, was interviewing telephonically by FBI Special Agent FBI and Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissman and Greg Andres. Present on the call during the interview was Gates' counsel, Tom Green. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following information: Gates was not involved in the distribution of funds as it related to the Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC). Gates was not involved in the financial/budget decisions for the PIC either. While testifying at Paul Manafort's trial in the Eastern District of Virginia (EDVA), Gates said it was "possible" that he submitted a false expense report to the PIC Gates did not like or get along with Whenl Iinitially joined the PIC, she got mad at Gates because Gates did notl Gates also did not likel Investigationon 08/18/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (Phone) File by Datedrafted 09/10/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agencyb7A b7C b7E b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates fOllOW up 011 08/18/2018 2 of 3 Page b6 b7A b7C b6 b'7A b?7C b6 b'7A b?7C b6 b7A b'7C b6 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) RiCk Gates fOllOW up 011 08/18/2018 3 of 3 Page b7A Subsequent to this call, Gates sent the writer an email with a series b7c of attachments. That email and the attachments have been attached to this FD302. FBK 19m1278}-255 b7A FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 10/23/2018 On or around 9/27/2018, SAI I Special Counsel Prosecutors b5 (SCP) Greg Andres and Andrew Weissmann interviewed RICHARD GATES at b7C the offices of counsel, Thomas Green. Green was present for the interview. After being advised of the identity of the interview team, GATES provided the following information: Black Caviar Email GATES was shown the above?referenced email (attached as a 1A). was a reference to VICTOR BOYARKIN. GATES understood BOYARKIN to be OLEG DERIPASKA's security person. Fine caviar and fine vodka were common gifts in Ukraine. The only time GATES recalled any of DMP's clients giving PAUL MANAFORT caviar was a story that I b5 I b7A b7C b6 b7C The largest payments that DMP had received for its Ukraine work had come b6 from b7C b6 b7A b7C b6 b7C b6 b7C 09/27/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) :gA I Dmemmkd 10/01/2018 b7c b7E I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 5 18 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof on 9/27/2018 SCO ,011 09/27/2018 ,Page 2 Of 3 b6 b7C YANUKOVYCH was considering reentering politics and running for election. YANUKOVYCH had not reached out to MANAFORT after he fled Ukraine, and this was hurtful to MANAFORT. Polling Data GATES understood that the polling data he was sending to KILIMNIK would be given to LYOVOCHKIN and DERIPASKA. GATES believed MANAFORT would have sent the polling data to LYOVOCHKIN as part of his efforts to get money out of Ukraine. GATES believed MANAFORT would have sent the polling data to DE RI PASKA b5 GATES opined that MANAFORT believed that Trump's strength in the polls b7C would be advantageous to him. GATES provided KILIMNIK a mix of public polls and the campaign's Fabrizio polling data based on what MANAFORT thought looked good. The Fabrizio polls were more reliable because they used cell phone polling data. GATES provided certain weekly data automatically to KILIMNIK. MANAFORT and GATES would send additional polling data on an ad hoc basis. On multiple occassions, GATES and MANAFORT would receive a poll and MANAFORT would tell GATES to send it to KILIMNIK based on the poll's content. Trump Presidential Campaign STEVEN MNUCHIN handled money for the campaign and controlled the campaign's finances with the exception of direct mail. b6 b7C The Middle East and Israel came up, specifically in context of what a Trump administration would look like regarding Israel and the Middle East. GATES believed it would have been unfathomable if MANAFORT Iwhile on the campaign. GATES was surprised b6 b7A b7C when MANAFORT traveled overseas so quickly after leaving the campaign. UNCLASSIFIED FBK 19m1278}-25 19 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES 9/27/2018 SCO ,On 09/27/2018 Jag 3 Of 3 MANAFORT told GATES that he would not join the administration. MANAFORT said that he and I ha I b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED IUD-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1 C>f 8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 10/26/2018 b6 b7C On or around 9/27/2018, SA. SAI I Special Counsel Prosecutor (SCP) Greg Andres, Assistant US Attorne and Trial Attorney lfrom DOJ's Counterintelligence and Export Control Section interviewed RICHARD GATES at the offices of counsel, Tom Green. Green was present for the interview. After being advised of the identity of the interview team, GATES provided the following information: Genesis of MANAFORT lobbying for Party of Regions PAUL MANAFORT had tried to pitch a lobbying campaign to VICTOR YANUKOVYCH and SERGEI LYOVOCHKIN in advance of the elections in 2007 or 2008, but was unsuccessful. MANAFORT had pitched. GATES had helped draft a memo on this topic that had then been given to KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK for translation. In 2011 or 2012, YANUKOVYCH signed off on a lobbying campaign. GATES opined that at this time, YANUKOVYCH was in a financially better position and that he had more trust in MANAFORT from their work together. b6 b7A b7C b3 b6 b7A b7C b7E Investigationon 09/27/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) WI I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 52 i b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview Of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof on 9/27/2018 SDNY ,On 09/27/2018 ,Page 2 of 8 YANUKOVYCH and b7A b7C Itold GATES b7A b7C GATES learned of b6 b7C b6 : did not understand US politics and so deferred to: b7c for any decisions related to the rarely if ever received direction from: UNCLASSIFIED Peeve- (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof on 9/27/2018 SDNY ,On 09/27/2018 ,Page with in Ukraine and mentioned the US consultants. did not understand how things operated in the US and would defer to MANAEORT and GATES on anything related to the US consultants. point on theI point on thel Iran GATESI GATESI In the initial meetings, MANAFORT and GATES told MANAEORT controlled the US lobbying effort. GATES always reported to MANAFORT. On some occasi ons, MANAFORT would tell GATES not to share certain information with Had there been a would have followed the direction of MANAFORT over that ofb7A b7C b?b7A b7C b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof on 9/27/2018 SDNY 09/27/2018 ,Page 4 of 8 ,011 had recently run a successful YANUKOVYCH campaign in Ukraine. GATES told the participants of the meeting ha b'7A thatl I b7C GATES told the participants thatl b?7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED Apese? FBK ism-1273}st b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-SOZof on 9/27/2018 SDNY ,On 09/27/2018 ,Page 5 of 8 b6 b7A b7C Initially b7A I As time b7A went on, the US was seen as a more valuable target of influence and took more of a driver's seat role. b6 b'7A b7C At one point in time, GATES, along withl land others, spoke to on the telephone from I b6 I b?i'A this point in time, lwas far along b7c with the legal analysis of the situationb7A UNCLASSIFIED /-F-eUe (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview Of RICHARD GATES 9/27/2018 SDNY EX 2 ,On O9/27/20l8 GATES did not recall whether or not involved until the proposal process. ,Page had been 6 of 8 EX 3 EX 154' I did not communicate clearly so MANAFORT did not want involved b7A b7C FBK 199561 EYE-2525 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-3020f on 9/27/2018 SDNY ,011 09/27/2018 ,Page b7A b7C Items 8 and 9 both seemed accurate. Ex 7 b7A At the time of b7A b6 b7A b?7C Around this time, GATES had toldl no: UNCLASSIFIED ,LF-eae b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of RICHARD GATES ContinuationofFD-3020f on 9/27/20l8 SDNY 3011 O9/27/20l8 ,Page 8 of 8 b7A At this point in time I GATES spoke to MANAEORT about how to handle. . . b6 At this time, and GATES were bjA . . . . b6 briefing on the discuss10ns. b7c GATES was disseminatinq information from MANAEORT. GATES would he usually get on the phone at the same time. b?c was in the office more often136 b7C UNCLASSIFIED E669- b7E -l of 14- FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 03/12/2018 2W, Hoboken, 1500 Washington Street, was interviewed at the Special Counsel?s Robert Ian Goldstone, DOB: New Jersey 07030, 917 743?1458, Office, Washington D.C. Also present were attorneysl I Iof Gage, Spencer and Fleming, Assistant Special igc Counsel L. Rush Atkinson, Special Agentsl Iandl I and andl Analyst I Staff Operations Specialist After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, GOLDSTONE provided the following information: b5 per Some of clients include b? per EMIN AGALAROVI b5 per b6 b7C I In 2012 GOLDSTONE started working for EMIN AGALAROVb7C Investigationon 02/08/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 02/09/2018 File Date drafted 137 b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 1 F3?19?u1278}2529 to be distributed outside your agency. b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian ,On 02/08/2018 Eng per GOLDSTONE stopped working with EMIN AGALAROV in October 2016 lb5 per b5 per DOJXOIP b5 per b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED FOUO (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian 02/08/2018 b7E b7C FBK 199561 EYE-253 i (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Robert Ian ,On 02/08/2018 Jag per FBK 199561 EYE-2532 (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian b7E 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page per FBK 19m1278}-2533 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian ,On 02/08/2018 Eng per GOLDSTONE got a call from EMIN AGALAROV on June 3, 2016b7C UNCLASSIFIED FOUO FBK b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian ,On 02/08/2018 Eng per When GOLDSTONE learned that PAUL MANAFORT and JARED KUSHNER would be at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, GOLDSTONE was surprised. I b5 per UNCLASSIFIED FOUO (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Robert Ian 3011 02/08/2018 8 Of 14 b5 per ,Page per FBK 199561 EYE-2535 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Robert Ian 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page per The meeting lasted no more than 20 minutes. b5 per FBK 19m1278}-2537 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian Goldstone ,On 02/08/2018 Eng glIt IOI TRUMP Irom EMLN AGALAROV and ARAS I b5 per b6 b7C b5 per UNCLASSIFIED FOUO b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian Goldstone ,On 02/08/2018 Eng per KAVELADZE reached back out to GOLDSTONE about setting up another meeting for VESELNETSKAYA and the Trumps. UNCLASSIFIED FOUO (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Robert Ian 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page 12 of 14 b5 per GOLDSTONE received a voicemailb5 per 'TTde IWitn the irump urqaniz tiod b6 b7C the attorney With the Trump Organization. asked GOLDSTONE for his memory of the June ZUib Trump Tower meetingper (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Robert Ian 02/08/2018 b7C FBK 19m1278}-2541 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Robert Ian .ionofFD-3020f GOldStone 5011 02/08/2018 ,Page per FBK 199561 278}? 542 FDamuRaassun -1 of 11- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/01/2019 Jeffrey Duane GORDON, date of birth Icellular b5 telephone number I Iemail address ofl I was b7C interviewed at the FBI Washington Field Office, 601 4th St NW, Washington D.C. GORDON was accompanied by his attorney, I Present for the interview were Special Agentl I Supervisory Intelligence ISenior Assistant Special Counsel Jeannie Rhee, and Assistant Special Counsel Aaron Zelinsky. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, GORDON provided the following information: b5 per During the March 31, 2016 foreign policy meeting TRUMP had said that he didn?t want to have World War over Ukraine and that he wanted better relations with Russia. b5 per Investigationon 02/14/2019 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File I I Date drafted 02/ 14/2 019 be b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 5?43 I I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 ,Pge 2 of 11 ITRUMP had said that he wanted better relations with Russia, not World War over Ukraineper UNCLASSIFIED Herse- FBK ism-1273}-2544 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /l4/2019 aQ11 02/14/2019 ,Page 3 of 11 b5 per b5 per DOJXOIP b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED /,l-Feao- I I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 ,Pge b7C UNCLASSIFIED Hege- FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 Eng 5 Of 11 b5 per 2016 Republican Platform b5 per b6 b?7C b5 per UNCLASSIFIED Hege- b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 Eng 6 Of ll In that meeting, TRUMP said the Europeans should do more about the situation in Ukraine. TRUMP had also said he wanted better relations with Russia and he didn't want World War over Ukraine. b5 Ear IGORDON believed that between statements at the March 31, 2016 foreign policy meeting, his campaign statements at rallies and his speech at the Mayflower Hotel on April 27, 2016, there were enough public comments by TRUMP for GORDONIThe amendment by DENMAN was the only one that resulted in an intervention. I I amendment was the only one GORDON thought was important enough to not be included. GORDON told MASHBURN, when GORDON had called him that day, I I Ilanguage was inconsistent with statements at the March 31, 2016 foreign policy meeting, his campaign statements and at his rallies. Both MASHBURN and DEARBORN came into the room and GORDON told them that theI language was inconsistent with View. MASHBURN and DEARBORN didn?t disagree, b5 per F??i??01278y2548 I I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 ,Pge b7C From what GORDON could recall, he might have said to DENMAN that he had talked to TRUMP about these issues it in the past. I b5 per Em: no point did GORDON say he was on the phone with TRUMP. b5 per b6 b7C b5 per UNCLASSIFIED Elena (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 Continuation of FD-302 of 4 2 0 9 3011 02/14/2019 b7E ,Page per DOJXOIP b6 b7C b5 per b6 b7C FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 ,On 02/14/2019 Eng b7C UNCLASSIFIED 71-5-666- (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 Continuation of FD-302 of 4 2 0 9 3011 02/14/2019 b7E ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Jeffrey D. Gordon on 02 Continuation of FD-302 of 4 2 0 9 3011 02/14/2019 ,Page per DOJXOIP FBK - of 15 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/28/2017 JEFFERY D. GORDON (GORDON), date of birth Iwas b6 interviewed at the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (FBI), Washington Field b7c Office (WFO), 601 4th Street NW, Washington, DC 20535 on August 29, 2017. GORDON's telephone number is and his email address is GORDON was advised that the nature of the interview was to discuss activities related to Russia and the 2016 Presidential campaign. GORDON was advised that false statements to the FBI were a violation of federal law and that his statements must be true and accurate to the best of his knowledge. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, GORDON provided the following information: GORDON was glad the interviewing Agents were speaking with him as he believed there were a lot of shenanigans happening at the highest levels. Specifically, GORDON was upset that the administration had not been truthful in the media with regards to contact with Russians. GORDON has kept apprised of the information about Russia in the news and relayed his willingness to fully cooperate with the Special Counsel investigation. Background GORDON served as a Commander in the Navy and formerly held the position of spokesperson for the US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD) at the Pentagon. During his prior service and employment, GORDON interacted with many foreign governments on an official capacity. Upon his departure from the US DOD, three separate governments held going away parties in GORDON's honor; Finland, Yemen, and Canada. GORDON received approval to attend those events and coordinated with U.S. Government agencies for the event held at the Yemeni consulate. All of the events were held at their respective foreign consulates or embassies. GORDON now operates his own consulting business, called J.D. GORDON COMMUNICATIONS, LLC. GORDON has been a political guest speaker on a variety of media outlets, such as FOX NEWS and the WASHINGTON TIMES. Investigationon 08/29/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# I I Date drafted 09/01/2017 b5 b7C by I I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?2 5 54 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ,On 08/29/2017 ng 2 Of 15 GORDON was an adviser for the DONALD J. TRUMP (TRUMP) campaign in 2016. He was offered that position by Senator JEFF SESSIONS (SESSIONS), who is a good friend of his. GORDON was an adviser for U.S. Congress in 2009. That is when he first met Senator SESSIONS and RICK DEARBORN (DEARBORN). In 2010, GORDON was an adviser for Governor SARAH PALIN (PALIN). In 2011, GORDON worked for the HERMAN CAIN (CAIN) campaign and received a full?time salary as did the other members of the campaign staff. GORDON was part of the first Presidential campaign for TRUMP in 2011. In January of 2011, GORDON was approached by TRUMP's attorney, MICHAEL D. COHEN (COHEN), who acts as a functional Chief of Staff for TRUMP. COHEN advised GORDON that the members of the campaign would receive a salary of the payments to the campaign staff would not begin b6 until June of 2011. GORDON disapproved with the delay of payments and b7c voiced his opinion to COHEN. COHEN then told GORDON that it would be good for GORDON's brand to continue supporting TRUMP without being paid. Since that time, GORDON has had a colloquial relationship with COHEN. In 2012, GORDON began working for think tanks. GORDON relayed that the think tanks he works with only conduct business in the United States, and not with any foreign governments. In the Summer of I reached out to GORDON to b6 be part of the MIKE HUCKABEE (HUCKABEE) campaign. I:Iwas the 137?: I Ifor the campaign. GORDON worked there for approximately four months, free of charge. GORDON was responsible for preparing weekly briefing cards for HUCKABEE on recent news articles. GORDON worked alongside HUCKABEE's daughter, SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS (HUCKABEE SANDERS), who was the campaign manager for the HUCKABEE campaign. HUCKABEE SANDERS hiredl Iwho eventually obtained a position in the TRUMP administration. GORDON relayed that I IPrior to the campaign, I Campaign GORDON described the TRUMP campaign as being disorganized and chaotic at times and stated it was important for the Agents to understand that concept when conducting this investigation. b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 Cm?mm?mu?FDSOZd?/29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,ng 3 Of 15 GORDON and HUCKABEE SANDERS remained in contact while on the TRUMP campaign but after a Washington Post article in March about SESSIONS, HUCKABEE SANDERS no longer speaks to GORDON. The article described a meeting that SESSIONS had with Russian Ambassador SERGEY KISLYAK (KISLYAK). GORDON was also listed as meeting with KISLYAK. GORDON does not think these meetings would have been an issue if the TRUMP campaign had not denied meeting with Russians but HOPE HICKS (HICKS) made untrue statements saying that the campaign never met with Russia. HUCKABEE SANDERS started working for the TRUMP campaign in February 2016, a week before GORDON joined. In March 2016, GORDON met with DEARBORN and STEPHEN MILLER (S. MILLER), and met privately with SESSIONS. GORDON provided SESSIONS with the vision statement GORDON had drafted for their Foreign Policy. SESSIONS decided they should get SAM CLOVIS (CLOVIS) on the phone to discuss the National Security advisory committee. GORDON talked to CLOVIS, who said he already came up with a team and later gave a list of names of people on the National Security advisory committee to COREY LEWANDOWSKI (LEWANDOWSKI) during the first week of March. The list included CARTER PAGE (PAGE), GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS (PAPADOPOULOS), WALID PHARES and KEITH KELLOGG b5 (KELLOGG). A week latefT] b7c I I were added to the team, resulting in a team of eight for the National Security advisory team. The release of the names got negative press. S. MILLER was given the task of writing the foreign policy speech that took place at the Mayflower on April 27. GORDON tried to invite everyone to the speech the day before, hoping to setup interviews after. JARED KUSHNER (KUSHNER) delegated the event setup to DEARBORN. KUSHNER had been involved with DIMITRI SIMES (SIMES) in setting up the event. GORDON referred to the event as a wedding? where they were inviting guests for each side. KISLYAK was at the speech and SESSIONS was there but GORDON did not notice the two meeting during the event. DEARBORN would know if SESSIONS met with KISLYAK. KISLYAK was also present for a back room reception. GORDON was working for SESSIONS who had his own team of people working on the campaign. GORDON, PHARES, and I worked in the campaign b6 office in Alexandria, VA. DEARBORN worked for the campaign 50% of the time b7C and for the Senate 50% of the time. PHARES quit after two F??i??v1278}2555 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 4 Of 15 I IAbout 15 people worked from b5 b7C the Alexandria office. GORDON explained that the last person to speak to TRUMP has the most influence on his decisions. KUSHNER had a lot of say with TRUMP. GORDON described the foreign policy team as being run like a 6th grade student council with no real authority or power. PHARES had been in the news. GORDON explained that PHARES won?t get a position in the administration because of KUSHNER. PHARES quit the campaign in early May and went to work as a surrogate for the campaign. GORDON hired PHARES to work on the campaign. PHARES had come up with a list of ambassadors to meet with and when KUSHNER found out, KUSHNER said only he would be meeting with ambassadors. KUSHNER came up with an idea, which GORDON jokingly referred to as "win a call with where campaign members were asked to write bios on various ambassadors and KUSHNER would have a phone call with whoever wrote the best ambassador bios about those particular ambassadors. GORDON and got stuck writing the bios. KUSHNER ended up meeting with the b6 ambassadors for the UAE and SAUDI. PHARES quit after DEARBORN told them b7c they couldn?t meet with ambassadors. Then PHARES got a deal as a surrogate on TV for the campaign. Russia was not included in the list of ambassadors PHARES attempted to meet with. At one DEARBORN a note about outreaches after b6 finding out tried to setup a meeting with the Saudi b7C prince. GOR ON had talk to DEARBORN about going through the embassies to setup meetings because back channels are always about money. In reference to public news reporting about a person or group referred to as GORDON explained that when thel I asked for a meeting between the campaign and Russia DEARBORN directed them to go through the State Department. GORDON explained this was a nothing story reported by the news and nothing came of it. GORDON left the campaign in August 2016, but in December b5 from the campaign asked GORDON for a wish list regarding working b7C in the White House administration. GORDON explained thatI Isent in a package b5 b7C to be running mate at one point. (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 5 Of 15 GORDON tried to setup dinners for the foreign policy advisers and did so from approximately May through August. The dinners were intended to keep the team informed about campaign events and information. first contact with PAGE was in April 2016 while PAGE was in Dubai. GORDON contacted him regarding invitations to the foreign policy speech. GORDON usually had contact with PAGE via phone or email. GORDON first met PAGE face?to?face in early June at a dinner at Portofinos in City. DEARBORN required a request form for any press involvement after PAPADOPOULOS got in trouble with the British press. PAGE completed one of these forms requesting to go to Russia for a speech at the New Economic School. GORDON thought the speech in Russia was a bad idea and it had no attachment to the campaign. PAGE tried to sell it by explaining that BARACK OBAMA was one of the previous speakers at this event. GORDON never forwarded the request to DEARBORN and eventually PAGE went to LEWANDOWSKI who approved PAGE to go but only in private capacity. In late June or early July, the team had a dinner at the Capitol Hill Club. SESSIONS, PAGE, PAPADOPOULOS and GORDON were all there. They did not discuss Russia during this meeting and SESSIONS paid. The next time GORDON saw PAGE was at the Convention shortly after PAGE returned from Russia. I: was constantly calling GORDON. PAPADOPOULOS, PAGE and : were problem children but GORDON had no authority over them. When PAPADOPOULOS got in trouble, CLOVIS had to have a conversation with PAPADOPOULOS. CLOVIS was blamed for PAPADOPOULOS and put the fear of God into PAPADOPOULOS. GORDON explained how sometimes these In March 2016, PAPADOPOULOS spoke to the press and told GORDON and PHARES about it. After that PAPADOPOULOS was told to stop talking to the press. GORDON explained that he shouldn?t have brought up the PUTIN thing either. Eventually CLOVIS was pushed out of his role. CLOVIS had brought on PAPADOPOULOS and PAGE who were bad news for the campaign. GORDON was asked about a phone call he and PHARES were scheduled to have with PAPADOPOULOS in May 2016. GORDON explained that they were calling PAPADOPOULOS to fire him after a story broke about his statements to the British press. They were also considering firing PHARES over comments he b7E b6 b7C b6 b7C FBK I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 6 Of 15 made in a BBC interview. CLOVIS wanted to give PAPADOPOULOS a second chance. They were worried that if they fired PAPADOPOULOS he would go to the press and tell them that the foreign policy advisor team was a scam. Initially SESSIONS wanted to talk to PAPADOPOULOS directly but DEARBORN talked him out of it. So GORDON called CLOVIS who talked to PAPADOPOULOS. GORDON was upset to find out from the recent articles that later PAPADOPOULOS approached PAUL MANAEORT (MANAEORT) trying to do the same thing he had been told not to do. PAPADOPOULOS seemed pretty quiet after CLOVIS talked to him. PAPADOPOULOS was also wanting to be on a panel at the RNC convention. At one point, PHARES and GORDON told PAPADOPOULOS to quit talking to the press in Israel. GORDON did research and developed talking points for DEARBORN, SESSIONS and S. MILLER. GORDON explained that he was also a dumping ground for things no one else wanted to work on. JOHN MASHBURN (MASHBURN) was the Policy Director and is now a Cabinet Secretary. GORDON reported to DEARBORN who reported to MICHAEL GLASSNER (GLASSNER) for approvals. DEARBORN had a big ego and was difficult. SESSIONS was not. So DEARBORN was the heavy when need be but also pushed people out of the campaign includingl IDEARBORN was b5 disrespectful to him causingl Ito leave. DEARBORN also pushed b7C people out with his outrageous demands and by forcing the team to work long hours. Around August 3 to 5, 2016, DEARBORN made the office work long hours to prepare a matrix for upcoming debate. Eventually MANAEORT said to forget about the matrix. So GORDON was upset they spent so much time working on something that was never used. GORDON quit on August 10 I PHARES invited MICHAEL ELYNN (ELYNN) to join the National Security team but ELYNN declined, probably because he already had direct access to TRUMP and didn?t need the structure Of the team. b5 GORDON never met NC PHARES left the office but still remained part of the b6 DEARBORN was upset with PHARES leaving so GORDON had to b7C call to un?invite PHARES from an event on the hill. GORDON explained that the campaign treated people as badly as the White House does now. GORDON brought in Iwho ended b6 up working in the New York office. IPHARES worked in the b7c Alexandria office. F??i??v1278}255? (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 7 Of 15 (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 GORDON didn?t know anything about DONALD TRUMP (TRUMP JR.'s) meeting. GORDON met PAUL MANAEORT in April 2016 when MANAEORT became the head of the Alexandria office. GORDON described him as the boss of the office and further advised SESSIONS was head of the National Security advisors and MANAFORT was head of the campaign. GORDON also met him in June 2016 at Trump Tower during a business leadership conference hosted there. GORDON wasn?t aware of MANAEORT having any Russian contacts and explained that MANAEORT would have worked with ELYNN who GORDON never met in person. Most of exposure to MANAEORT was through group emails. GORDON explained KUSHNER and MANAEORT were the managers who decided the staff wouldn?t get paid. GORDON never met ROGER STONE. MASHBURN was the Policy Director from April to August 2016. MASHBURN kept people working long hours until 2 a.m. GORDON explained that MASHBURNI I Now MASHBURN is the new Deputy Cabinet Secretary. joined the National Security Council (NSC) after GORDON introduced to KELLOGG. They didn?t want her doing diplomatic research an more. She had given a speech about I GORDON talked to while he was in Hungary. She was being targeted by the Soros Group. spoke atl event in that PHARES also spoke at. loften spoke about National Security issues. GORDON was in Hungary in November 2013 to give a speech at the Antall Jozsef Knowledge Center where he spoke about NATO and National Security. The moderator was namedI I I IGORDON returned in November 2016 to speak again for the topic of ?How the White House was won?. Ialso spoke there . I I GORDON said: was and tried targeting GORDON. It was at the university where land the Czech president were the first foreign leaders to endorse TRUMP. They were both upset they weren?t able to setup a personal meeting with TRUMP and fired their ambassadors when they couldn?t get a meeting. trips to Hungary were distorted by the press. He was asked how many times he had been there. The news said he was there 6 times during b7E b6 b7C b6 b7C b7C FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 8 Of 15 the campaign but he was never there during the campaign and had visited three times since 2013 when he went with a think tank. GORDON was also called out for meeting with Russian secret service members during the campaign, which he didn?t. In December 2014, GORDON was in Hungary for a two?day conference where he had meetings with two different Russians. One of the Russians was who gave GORDON a gift box that had a Hungarian flag, and another was al who worked for IGORDON met them both at the conference and does not maintain contact with them. GORDON did not give any gifts to the Russians and didn?t think they appeared to have any affiliation with Russian intel services. Nothing substantive came from meetings with these Russians. Iwas also a guest speaker at b5 b7C this conference. GORDON stated he didn?t realize PAGE had been in Hungary during approximately September 2016 until he was told when GORDON was in Hungary during November 2016. GORDON explained how he has been working with a group to sue the people who have been alleging that he worked with the Russians or the hackers. GORDON needs to show that he lost income as a result. GORDON does not recall the campaign ever talking about the hacking events. GORDON was too busy doing research though. They researched every speech TRUMP gave and GORDON helped S. MILLER with the research because all the researchers GORDON brought in were stolen by other members of the team. GORDON described it as thankless work that he was not paid for. GORDON said he hoped the Russian investigation was very thorough. GORDON thinks TRUMP must be guilty of something. He is constantly ripping people off. TRUMP lies all the time and surrounds himself with people who don?t tell the truth. GORDON explained HICKS had lied about contact with Russians. GORDON thinks she probably lied to protect TRUMP whether she knew anything or not. I b6 GORDON suggested that I b7C I b6 GORDON remembers news reports about a meeting between TRUMP JR. and a b7c Russian attorney being held at Trump Tower. GORDON was at Trump Tower around that same time but doesn?t recall seeing that meeting at all. It would have been closer to the leadership level. HICKS was close to TRUMP and would likely know if there was any Russian collusion. KEITH SCHILLER, bodyguard, would also know a lot about him. LEWANDOWSKI would also FBK 19m1278}-2551 I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 9 Of 15 have a lot of insight for activity occurring while he was involved in the campaign. GORDON quit working for the campaign on August 10, 2016 because he was tired of working so hard for free and they would not pay him like they had promised they would. GORDON was offered a position with the Presidential Transition Team but said he wouldn?t show up until he got a check and he never received payment. DEARBORN had been since b6 April. The campaign was shady and dishonest. b7c Both GORDON and PHARES have been invited to Rome for EPP talks. Convention During the Republican National Convention (Convention), there was a separate four?day event going on at Case Western Reserve University that involved 80 ambassadors called the Global Partners of Diplomacy (GDP). Both the Convention and the GDP were in Cleveland about 15 to 20 minutes apart from each other. The ambassadors were in Cleveland for the GDP at the same time as the Convention and then they would go on to a conference in Philadelphia. Both SESSIONS and GORDON spoke at the GDP event which was scheduled for July 18 to 21. The GDP event is a standard event that is hosted by the State Department. During his stay in Cleveland, GORDON spent one week at the Westin which was essentially the Trump HQ location for the event. Prior to that week, GORDON stayed at a different hotel the week of July 11 for the GOP Platform committee meetings. GORDON arrived in Cleveland on Saturday, July 9 for the meetings that started on July 10. The travel wasn?t paid for. So GORDON drove to Cleveland and never even got reimbursement for the rental car. GORDON and SESSIONS met KISLYAK on July 20 at the GDP event when they both spoke in front of the delegation of foreign ambassadors. After their speech, a line of ambassadors lined up to shake hands with the speakers so SESSIONS could easily have shaken hand and not remembered it. It could be called a meeting or an encounter depending on your definition. GORDON remembers shaking hand at the event. GORDON had discussed how the U.S. should have better relations with Russia in his speech. So when he met KISLYAK he mentioned he was serious about what he said. There was a reception hosted the same night GORDON and SESSIONS shook hands with KISLYAK after their speaking events. There were a lot of ambassadors at this reception which provided eating and drinking for those attending the event. It was a networking event. GORDON was at the chicken FBK 199561 EYE-2552 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 10 of 15 satay tray when KISLYAK also came up to the same tray to get chicken satays. They then decided to step aside to eat and landed at a table. The ambassadors for Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan joined them too. GORDON knew the Kazakh ambassador prior to this event. CARTER PAGE was also there and briefly spoke with KISLYAK and the Azerbaijan ambassador. At one point, GORDON again mentioned he meant what he said about improving U.S.?Russia relations. They talked about Russia?s attempt to warn the U.S. about the Boston bomber. They maybe spoke for 3 to 5 minutes. GORDON described these events as a two?part encounter with KISLYAK and explained that the media created a more nefarious narrative. Platform GORDON explained he didn?t change the platform. He said DIANE DENMAN was hell?bent on arming Ukraine. GORDON had been told DENMAN had been to Ukraine and was involved in elections monitoring there. DENMAN was a CRUZ delegate and a protagonist. During the committee meetings, there were four TRUMP representatives per each committee room and there were a total of six rooms. There were two Jones Day attorneys and a political whip. GORDON had an attorney named in his room and MATTHEW MILLER was the political whip for his room. b6 GORDON does not recall the other TRUMP rep in the room. GORDON explained b7c it?s customary for the campaign to give input in the platform meetings. Essentially the Republican National Committee (RNC) starts with the 2012 platform and then votes on any changes or modifications. The RNC is in charge of the platform. In May, the team started reviewing the 2012 platform to see what areas conflicted with stance. b6 b7C worked on that. Idid lots of research, which was shared by the team to put together possible platform edits. They didn?t discuss arming Ukraine because it hadn?t been in the 2012 platform but they did discuss toning down language from the 2012 platform that identified Russia as the country?s number one threat. On July 10, 2016, the night before the GOP platform committee meetings, they got a draft of platform changes that had been submitted. There were 55 total amendments and GORDON started marking up a copy. Most of the amendments were passed at the meetings. Senator BARRASSO was in charge of the whole platform. job was to identify any significant deviations in the platform. The edits to the platform were not done by the campaign but by others at the meetings. FBK 19m1278}-2553 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page ll of 15 GORDON identified amendment that included arming Ukraine and several other amendments that didn?t line up with policy. GORDON flagged amendment because TRUMP had mentioned not wanting to start World War over Ukraine. TRUMP had mentioned this both in public and in private, including at the campaign meeting on March 31, 2016. This was not stance but stance on Ukraine. GORDON wanted DENMAN to withdraw the whole amendment and she was upset. GORDON got the whip, MATTHEW (M. MILLER's), attention and discussed it with him. Then GORDON tried calling DEARBORN to talk to him about the Ukraine amendment and spent a lot of time on hold waiting to b6 talk to him. DENMANI land asked GORDON what he b7C had against the free people. GORDON explained statements regarding World War to her. She asked why they were there and who GORDON was on the phone with. GORDON told her he was on the phone with his colleagues but didn?t provide names. GORDON tried to get ahold of both DEARBORN and MASHBURN who were located elsewhere in the meetings. Ithe National b6 b7C Security Advisor platform, ended up tabling the amendment until the end of the day. Eventually DEARBORN and MASHBURN showed up. GORDON, DEARBORN and MASHBURN discussed the Ukraine amendment wording and eventually arrived at ?appropriate assistance? as the wording in amendment. GORDON does not recall who came up with that wording and explained the campaign could provide informal advice to the delegates but could not change the platform. GORDON also mentioned a RUBIO delegate, RACHEL I b6 I I b7C I IHOFF is the one who got DENMAN to talk to the media. DENMAN accused GORDON of altering the platform and authorizing the defeat of her amendment. DENMAN also accused GORDON of talking to TRUMP on the phone even though he wasn?t and never told her he was. She also accused him of getting out of his seat to speak with delegates which the RNC has rules against. GORDON indicated DENMAN lied to the press about GORDON being on the phone with TRUMP and about GORDON being out of his seat. GORDON explained how TRUMP and MANAFORT exacerbated the issue by lying about the platform in the news on July 31. In two separate interviews, both TRUMP and MANAFORT made misstatements. MANAFORT denied the campaign?s involvement in changing the platform in an interview with CHUCK TODD. GORDON explained that the campaign was involved in legitimately changing the amendment through debate. TRUMP doesn?t pay attention and ended up (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 12 of 15 (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 saying the same thing in an interview with GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS. TRUMP said he had heard the campaign was involved in the change but he had nothing to do with the platform change. GORDON explained that this was campaign not and that?s why the amendment was flagged by GORDON, because it didn?t align with policy. GORDON said he drafted a memo explaining the events. GORDON was shown an email himself that had a memo attached which indicated it was drafted by GORDON. GORDON acknowledged that he wrote the memo and was asked whyI Iemailed it to him if GORDON wrote it. GORDON explained thatI I so it was likely drafted by GORDON onI Icomputer and GORDON emailed it to himself from there. MASHBURN decided who would go to the committee meetings. I Iwere also in committee meetings but GORDON was appointed to sit in the national security committee room. GORDON explained that in 2015 he wrote an article that supports arming Ukraine. GORDON pointed out that MARCO RUBIO has some suspicious Ukraine connections. GORDON does not recall texting or emailing anyone during the committee meeting. MANAEORT was there for the Convention. DEARBORN wrote a memo to REINCE PRIEBUS and MANAEORT about the platform meetings, highlighting the significant events including defeating items related to arming Ukraine. So MANAFORT knew about their involvement on July 10 but may have forgotten by the time he was interviewed on July 31. GORDON did not have any vote on the platform but as a delegate DENMAN did get a vote. GORDON explained the platform wasn?t changed. It was partially defeated and there was already wording on Ukraine in the platform outside of amendment. Most of the amendment was incorporated and only some of it was removed. GORDON said the platform was actually changed to be tougher on Russia not easier. TRUMP campaign members were there as advisors only but the RNC delegates voted on the actual changes. GORDON explained I Ian ambassador, approached GORDON at the convention because she disagreed with him. She asked him about the platform amendment in front of everyone. GORDON explained statements made by former FBI director, JAMES COMEY, set GORDON up as a media target because COMEY indicated that the Russia b7E b6 b7C b6 b7C b6 b7C F??i??v1278}2555 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 Cm?mm?mu?FDSOZd?/29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 13 of 15 investigation was a larger investigation I b3 Because of this, GORDON was accused and attacked by the b7E press. March 31, 2016 Meeting SESSIONS suggested to TRUMP they should have a meeting on March 31, 2016 at the Old Post Office which was to be the Trump Hotel in D.C. The meeting was supposed to be one hour but turned out to be two hours. At the request of the Agents, GORDON hand wrote who was in attendance at the meeting and where they sat utilizing a photograph taken at the meeting. GORDON included a list of participants in the photo and participants not included in the photo. The following participants were in the photograph: SESSIONS, GORDON, ITRUMP, PHARES, KELLOGG, b6 land JIM CARAFANO. b7C GORDON also listed the following participants not featured in the photo: DAN SCAVINO, DEARBORN, LEWANDOWSKI, S. MILLER, HICKS, CLOVIS, and KEITH SCHILLER. GORDON explainedl IwasI I b6 ICARAEANO was from the b7c Heritage Foundation and was part of the Presidential Transition Team (PTT) and spoke on defense budgets. CARAFANO handled DHS matters for the PTT. spoke about Veterans Affairs. Iwas an intelligence expert. SESSIONS invitedl land CARAFANO. GORDON explained that everyone went around the table and had about five minutes to discuss their expertise, including PAPADOPOULOS brought up the idea of meeting with PUTIN and discussed it for a few minutes. SESSIONS said no to this idea and asked that it never be mentioned again. GORDON does not recall anyone saying that the meeting with PUTIN was a good idea. GORDON found out from the Washington Post article that PAPADOPOULOS continued pursuing this by reaching out to PAUL MANAFORT and others. ROSALIND HELDERMAN of the Washington Post contacted GORDON about this meeting and he did not talk to her about it. She also asked GORDON about RIAC (known to investigators as the Russian Internations Affairs Council). The Daily Caller also asked GORDON if statements about this meeting were I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 ,Page 14 of 15 true, including PAPADOPOULOS bringing up a meeting with PUTIN and SESSIONS shooting down the idea. GORDON didn?t give an account but confirmed the previous account to be true. GORDON described PAPADOPOULOS as acting on his own and wheeling and dealing. PAPADOPOULOS said he was working with the ambassador in the United Kingdom and PUTIN was interested in meeting with TRUMP, working through the ambassador to make it happen. SESSIONS said it was a bad idea and shut it down. Apparently PAPADOPOULOS kept doing it, repeatedly going around GORDON. PAPADOPOULOS didn?t even have a I Iemail account. They were all just volunteers. GORDON was supposed to be in charge of the group even though he had no authority. GORDON explained TRUMP probably would have gone through with the meeting if others had been agreeable to it but SESSIONS put his foot down. GORDON also recalled discussions about how setting up a meeting with PUTIN could be considered a violation of the Logan mentioned the Logan Act and b5 made a comment about how nobody should outrun their headlights. b7C There were other discussions at the meeting about Russia and NATO. GORDON brought up a lot of topics. GORDON talked about how NATO was focused on the wrong priorities and wasn?t doing their fair share. Russia was not as big a threat as Islamic terrorism and Iran. SESSIONS also mentioned the need to improve U.S.?Russia relations. TRUMP explained he didn?t want World War over the Ukraine and explained Europe should be responsible for protecting Ukraine. GORDON does not recall ever hearing anyone talk about setting up a meeting with Russia after that meeting. GORDON recalls DEARBORN sending out an email about meeting with foreign ambassadors, including Russia and China, in regards to winning a phone call with KUSHNER. But GORDON is not aware of anyone pursuing these meetings. Trump and Sessions TRUMP was involved in inappropriate b6 activity. GORDON made this statement based on 3500 lawsuits TRUMP is b7C involved in, business deals with Russia, not paying his policy office. The investigators could likely find something illegal TRUMP was involved in but GORDON is not aware of any election meddling that TRUMP was involved in. FBK 19m1278}-2557 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Jeffery D. Gordon on 08 Continuation ofFD-302 of /29/2017 ,On 08/29/2017 Page 15 of 15 GORDON said SESSIONS was not inappropriate. GORDON is not aware of SESSIONS doing anything other than making a mistake regarding his handshake with the ambassador. ROD ROSENSTEIN threw SESSIONS under the bus the way GORDON had been thrown under the bus. b3 b6 b7C b3 b6 b7C FBK 199561 EYE-25518 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -l of l4- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 02/16/2018 On Tuesday, January 9, 2018, JONATHAN HAWKER (HAWKER) was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. Present for the interview were FBI Special Agentl I DOJ Senior Financial lnvestigatorl I Senior Assistant Special Counsels Andrew A. Weissmann and Greg D. Andres and Assistant Special Counsel Brian M. Richardson. Also present were HAWKER's attorneys, I Hunton Williams LLP, 2200 Avenue, Washington b6 DC, telephone number (202) 955?1500. After being advised of the identity b7c of the interviewing parties and the nature of the interview, HAWKER provided the following information: NOTE: Special Senior Assistant Special Counsel Andres were only present for the morning portion of the interview of HAWKERPrior to the interView commenCing, he b7C represented both HAWKER and former employer, FTI Consulting. Special Counsel Attorney Andrew Weissmann advised HAWKER that his participation in the interview was voluntary. HAWKER was also advised that he needed to be truthful in his answers and lying to a Federal agent could constitute a Federal crime. HAWKER verbally acknowledged that he understood. HAWKER BACKGROUND b6 b7C Investigationon 01/09/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7A Dmemmkd 01/10/2018 b7C b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. FBK 199561 EYE-2535 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E (U/ffi?? Jonathan Hawker Interview 9' 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 2 Of 14 IHAWKER left b6 because of his experience in the Ukraine and not being paid in full for b7C his work on behalf of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. UKRAINE INVOLVEMENT BACKGROUND In or around April 2012, HAWKER was contacted by of Skadden and Arps LLP (Skadden) to discuss his interest in working for the Government of Ukraine. b6 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C CLIENT After speakinq with Rick Gatesl I b7A b6 b7A b7C b7A PAYMENT F??i9?01278y??a7 (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 9: 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 ,Page 3 of 14 SKADDEN REPORT HAWKER was Shown an emaill from Gates to HAWKER andl I Ipart of the Manafort Team. HAWKER describedl HAWKER identifiedl Ian email b7A b7E b7A b7A b7A b7C F??i??01278}2538 (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 9' 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 Jag 4 Of 14 HAWKER was shown an emaill I from HAWKER to Gates regarding IThis document was a paired down version of something HAWKER previously shared with Gates. As referenced in paragraph two, HAWKER stated RG was a reference to Rick Gates andl As referenced in paragraph fiveb7A b7C b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 9: 2018 Jonathan Hawker Interview 3011 01/09/2018 ,Page 5 of 14 HAWKER was shown an emaill I I from_Gates to Manafort, HAWKER andl IThe document sent by Gates was a revised version of something HAWKER previously shared with Gates for his review /comments. This was something HAWKER included because Manafort and Gates were working with other PR firms, IHAWKER recalledl HAWKER was shown an email from Gates to HAWKER regarding b7A b7E b7A b7A b7C FBK 1912161 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 9' 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 Jag 6 Of 14 b6 b7A b7C HAWKER was shown an email from HAWKER to Gates regardingl I b7A b7A HAWKER never participated in coordination calls b6 b?7A b7C As previously stated, the overall project coordinator was Gates. HAWKER was shown an emailI I I I from Gates to HAWKER regarding b7A HAWKER describedl I HAWKER was shown an emaill I I froml Ito HAWKER. HAWKER identified b5 b7A HAWKER was questioned aboutl I While it looked like his formatting style, HAWKER could not not recall if he drafted this section. HAWKER later acknowledged he probably did. b7A HAWKER was questioned about UNCLASSIFIED ALE-S- i (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview ContinuationofFD-SOZof January 9' 2018 ,011 01/09/20l8 Page 7 of 14 primary main contacts at Skadden were HAWKER was shown an emaill from HAWKER to Manafort, Gates andl HAWKER did not have much direct contact with Manafort. As referenced on the top ofI IHAWKER wrote that As referenced inI HAWKER wrotel HAWKER did not have a specific memory of the conversation, must have told him this. HAWKER was shown an emailI I from Manafort to HAWKER, Gates and I IHAWKER could not recall what Manafort meant by HAWKER was shown an emailI he said HAWKER. As referenced in the email,I I While HAWKER was shown an emailI from Gates to HAWKER regarding HAWKER stated HAWKER was shown an emailI I IfromI Ito HAWKER regardingl HAWKER I HAWKER described the hotel room as more of a suite and quite modernb7A b7C F??i??01278}2592 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E Jonathan Hawker Interview 9' 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 8 Of 14 large bedroom, living room and also a big conference/meeting table. HAWKER also recalled seeing computer equipment in the suite, to include a laptop that located in the middle of the conference/meeting table. HAWKER described the b6 b7A b7C b7A HAWKER, who stated he doesn't drink alcohol, described Gates as having quite the active nightlife while in the Ukraine. Gates often partied with Van Der Zwaan (Skadden London) and Van Der Zwaan told HAWKER they I b6 b7C HAWKER was shown an email with Bates Stamp dated 12 /11/2012, from Gates to Van Der Zwaan and forwarded to HAWKER and I HAWKER did not have a specific memory of the conversation, but believes the information was b7C needed to help populate Iby Skadden. HAWKER never had contact with any US Government Official. HAWKER was shown an email with Bates Stamp dated 12/11 /2012, from HAWKER to David Sanger, a reporter for the NY Times. In the email, HAWKER told Sanger I b6 I IHAWKER emailed Sanger rather than call him. b7C b7A because he didn't know Sanger. When Sanger responded, he mentioned having discussed this a month or so ago ealier. previous contact and presumed he never spoke with HAWKER wasn't aware of any must have spoken with Sanger; however about it. UNCLASSIFIED Lyss? b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview ContinuationofFD-SOZof January 9' 2018 ,011 01/09/2018 ,Page 9 Of 14 At some point after this email, HAWKER suspected he had a telephone conversation with Sanger. While he did not have a specific memory of the conversation, the purpose was to share/discuss the I b7A HAWKER was shown an email with Bates Stamp dated 12/11 /2012, Sanger regardingl I b6 HAWKER wasn't aware of this email and believes his email to Sanger was b7A sent first. HAWKER stated the reference to speak with the "Post" b7C didn't hear back from Sanger, meant Washington Post. In wrote, "They are pressuring me for b6 reassurance here so any update would be very welcome". HAWKER stated b7C "they" meant Manafort and Gates because they wanted to know if the "seeding" was working. HAWKER was shown an email with Bates Stamp dated 12/13 /2012, from HAWKER Van Der Zwaan and Gates regarding an article being written by Associated Press reporter Maria Danilova. HAWKER recalled b6 being told HAWKER didn't WA think the allegations had any credibility and said there were never any b7c discussions of under the table payments. HAWKER just wanted to address Danilova's questions to move this away and turn down the noise. HAWKER was shown a document with Bates Stamp The document 136 b7A b7C HAWKER had no idea how much Skadden was paid and never asked. As a PR person, it was role not to include all the facts, but rather just control the message to the media. HAWKER was shown a document with Bates Stamp SAU-OO6878. The document b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED Asse? FBK ism-1273}-2504 (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 9: 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 ,Page 10 of 14 HAWKER has not read the actual Manafort/Gates Indictment andl b7A b7E b7A b7C FBK 19m1278}-2595 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview ContinuationofFD-SOZof January 9! 2018 a011 01/09/2018 ,Page b'7A b'7C I b7A b7A b6 b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 3011 01/09/2018 ,Page 12 of 14 ContinuationofFD-SOZof January 9: 2018 In early 2013, HAWKER was introduced Manafort and Gates. The meeting was held in Manafort's condo in NY with a follow?up meeting at a restaurant. During the meetingl were All HAWKER's communications with Gates and done on hushmail. HAWKER was introduced to Iby Gates. [The client was looking for litigation PR assistance. HAWKER did not end up working the client and was later told by that it was garbage. b7A b7E b6 b7A b7C 136 13723b7C FBK 1912161278}-2597 b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview 9! 2018 ,On 01/09/2018 Eng 13 of 14 b6 b7C LAST CONTACT WITH GATES HAWKER would talk to and/or meet with Gates on a regular basis up until he started working on the Trump Campaign. Gates asked HAWKER to help on the campaign, but he passed. HAWKERI I b6 While likable, HAWKER describedl 1070 LAST CONTACT WITH MANAFORT last contact with Manafort was way before the 2016 election. HAWKER recalled Manafort was in the UK and asked for his assistance regarding a photo?shoot for b6 b7C LAST CONTACT WITH KILIMNIK In or around late 2015 and after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Kilimnik reached out to HAWKER regarding a PR opportunity in Russia. Kilimnik wanted HAWKER to meet with an individual from the Russian Foreign Ministry. According to HAWKER, he traveled to Russia to meet and discuss the proposed business opportunity. HAWKER stated he had no doubt the person he met with was a Russian operative. While HAWKER agreed to submit a business proposal, he submitted it at such an outrageously high price so that not to be selected. b6 b7C MISCELLANEOUS HAWKER was shown an email HAWKER. In the email, Itold HAWKER to b6 check his Yahoo mail. HAWKER said Gates set up a Yahoo account for hinn b7A Gates had several email addresses to include an ICloud b7c also had an Apple ICloud account. UNCLASSIFIED b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Jonathan Hawker Interview ContinuationofFD-SOZof January 9' 2018 ,011 01/09/2018 ,Page 14 Of 14 b6 b7C HAWKER agreed to search for telephone numbers and email accounts associated with his work with Gates, Manafort, b6 This follow?up information will be furnished to the Office of the Special b7A Counsel by his attorney, I b7c Prior to the interview ending, HAWKER was questioned that if in connection with this investigation has he purposely gone back and deleted any emails. HAWKER stated he did not because he has nothing to hide. UNCLASSIFIED FBK ism-12783:-2599 FDaduRaassun -1 of 10- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/22/2018 (U) On 02/01/2018 Special Agentsl I Intelligence land Assistant Special Counsel b6 Aaron Zelinksy interviewed JACOB HEILBRUNN (HEILBRUNN) at The Special b7C Counsel's Office in Washington, DC. Present for the interview were Heilbrunn's counsel, interview was pursuant to a proffer agreement. After being advised of the The identity of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, HEILBRUNN provided the following informationper 02/01/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b7C b7E Investigation on by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn 3011 02/01/2018 b7E ,Page b7C b7A FBK i?gmi (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn 3011 02/01/2018 ,Page per FBK i?gmi b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn ,On 02/01/2018 4 of 10 ,Page FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn 3011 02/01/2018 ,Page FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn 3011 02/01/2018 ,Page b7C (U) HEILBRUNN was not aware of any side meetings; and SESSIONS interactb?7C b5 per b5 per b5 per b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn ,On 02/01/2018 7 of 10 ,Page I b5 per DOJXOIP I did not remember if any Ambassadors including KISLYAK were at this lunch. b7C b5 per (U) HEILBRUNN attended the May 23rd CNI awards dinner. b5 per I IHEILBRUNN was unsure if he saw KI SLYAK. I . . b7C I IHEILBRUNN has no knowledge of any interactions between SESSIONS and KISLYAK at this event or otherwiseper FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn 3011 02/01/2018 ,Page b7A FBK i?gmi b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn ,On 02/01/2018 Jag per FBK i?gmi b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Jacob Heilbrunn ,On 02/01/2018 10 of 10 Page b5 per b6 b7C FBK i?gmi FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 05/30/2017 Rachel Mary HOFF, date of birth Isocial security numberl I residencel I Iwas interviewed by lat the FBI Washington Field Office on May 26, 2017. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, HOFF provided the following information: HOFF was a delegate for the District of Columbia at the 2016 Republican National Convention (RNC). HOFF explained her first time being a delegate at the RNC was in the 2012 election cycle. The 2016 RNC was HOFF's first time on a Platform Committee. HOFF worked on the National Security and Defense Platform Committee. Her full-time employment was working] Iwhere she was employed during the time of the RNC up until approximately I HOPE informed the interviewing agents she began employment with (Uf+eese+ HOFF explained the National Security and Defense Platform Committee worked for approximately two days. According to HOFF the room was filled with delegates to the RNC, certain members of the media or VIP staff, one RNC paid transcriber, two volunteers from the Republican National Committee, and two members from the 2016 Trump Campaign. However, HOFF stated only delegates were permitted to take part in the formal discussions on what the platform should state. HOFF believed the non?delegates in the room may interject their opinions or ideas informally to delegates during breaks or outside of the official Platform Committee meeting room. According to HOFF the two Republican National Committee staffers werel land the Trump Campaign members were JD Gordon and an individual who's name was unknown to her. According to HOFF, I I works on Capitol Hill as a staffer for an unknown congressman OI senator. HOFF informed the interviewing agents she had met JD Gordon previously but still is unaware who the other Trump Campaign staffer is. According to HOFF, she had limited interaction with JD Gordon during Washington District Of Columbia, United States (In Investigationon 05/26/2017 at Person) File# I Datedrafted 05/26/2017 I This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not b7E distributed outside your agency. 278)_261 b3 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rachel HOFF ,On 05/26/2017 ,Page 2 of 3 the RNC which she referred to as nothing more than "exchanging pleasantries". HOFF explained the platform drafting process to the interviewing agents. She stated the platform draft comes to the Platform Committee from the Republican National Committee. According to HOFF, the subcommittees can amend the drafts provided by proposing amendments to the writing. According to HOFF, those amendments to the draft are then voted on by the full committee. HOFF recalled the original draft contained strong language against Russia but minimal language on Ukraine. (U/f?ese+ HOFF noted a delegate from Texas, Diana Denman, provided draft language regarding Ukraine. When the Platform Committee got to the point to discuss Denman's draft language on Ukraine, one of the three co?chairs of the Platform Committee proposed a motion to table Denman's amendment. HOFF noted this was the first and only amendment to be tabled. According to HOFF, one of the co?chairs stated the purpose for tabling Denman's amendment was for the Trump Campaign staff to work on the language with Denman personally. The delegates in the committee then voted to table Denman's Ukraine?related amendment. noted she did see Diana Denman speaking on the side directly with the two Trump Campaign staff members, which included JD Gordon. (U/f56894 HOFF informed the interviewing agents she had a private conversation with Diana Denman regarding her discussions with the Trump Campaign staff members. Denman informed HOFF, the Trump Campaign staff members requested Denman alter her amendment by striking the "lethal defense weapons" to Ukraine statement in her amendment. Denman informed HOFF she told JD Gordon and the other Trump Campaign staff member she would not strike that language from her amendment. As the deadline for the Platform Committee approached, HOFF stated the tabled Ukraine amendment language was discussed again. Denman then provided a revised draft of her amendment however, according to HOFF, her revision still included the "lethal defense weapons" language. Following Denman's revisit of her "tough" language in the amendment, another delegate offered another amendment. HOFF believed the other delegate may have been subcommittee delegate b6 HOFF explained amendment change struck the "lethal b7C defense weapons" language and replaced it with "appropriate assistance". HOFF noted, following the new language from subcommittee the entire National Security and Defense Platform subcommittee approved the "appropriate assistance" language to be added to UNCLASSIFIED ALF-eac- i b3 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Rachel HOFF ,On 05/26/2017 Jag 3 of 3 Denman's amendment, therefore striking the "lethal defense weapons" language. HOFF stated she believed the Trump Campaign staffers sought another delegate to offer the "appropriate assistance" language when Denman refused to change her amendment. (U/ff6694 When asked if HOFF noticed what the two Trump Campaign staffers were doing during the Platform subcommittee meetings, she stated she was too involved in the language before the committee to notice the campaign staffers. HOFF stated she did not speak with any Trump Campaign officials following the RNC. Therefore, HOFF noted she did not speak with any Trump Campaign officials regarding the Ukraine language in the platform. (U/ffe?e+ HOFF noted this intervention by JD Gordon and the unknown campaign official was a "rare intervention". It was HOFF's belief the Trump Campaign did not want to intervene on other issues before the Platform Committee. HOFF noted to the interviewing agents she voted for Denman's "tougher" language in the amendment. It was explained by HOFF the approved amendment was not "watered down" language as she stated her heard in the media. It was HOFF's belief the approved language was still strong against Russia. stated she believed JD Gordon left the campaign in late August 2016 due to, what she heard from others, many campaign staff members not being paid salaries for months. HOFF also stated she would be available to the interviewing agents at a later date if more questions arose. UNCLASSIFIED /+Ferae? FBK igw1278}22512 - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 12/15/2017 JAMES M. HOSKINS JR., date of birth social b5 security account number Iwas interviewed at his b7C residence, IHOSKINS was advised the nature of the interview was to discuss a foreign policy meeting he attended for the DONALD J. TRUMP campaign on March 31, 2016. HOSKINS was further advised intentionally providing false statements to the interviewing Agents would be a violation of federal law. After being advised of the nature of the interview and the identities of the interviewing Agents, HOSKINS provided the following information: HOSKINS acknowledged his presence at the meeting on March 31, 2016. The agents showed a photograph which was taken at the meeting. The Agents then advised of a recent Washington Post article which alleged GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS had introduced the concept of arranging a meeting between then?Candidate TRUMP and Russian president, VLADIMIR PUTIN. HOSKINS immediately identified PAPADOPOULOS in the photograph and stated to the best of his recollection, he remembered everyone at the meeting went around the table and introduced themselves. When it was turn, he said something to the effect of "Mr. PUTTN would like to meet you," which was almost immediately met with a response of "no you shouldn't" from the others in the room. HOSKINS remembered the response happened microseconds after PAPADOPOULOS proposed the idea. HOSKINS couldn't recall who had spoke first but surmised it was likely JEFF SESSIONS who was the first to say no to PAPADOPOULOS. That was the first and last time HOSKINS saw PAPADOPOULOS. further identified J.D. GORDON, b6 land KEITH KELLOGG in the b7C photograph. SESSIONS invited HOSKINS to the meeting to discuss topics related to intelligence and cyber activities. During the meeting, HOSKINS expressed that Russia, China, terrorism in the Middle East, and North Korea would all be continued threats in the immediate future. HOSKINS spoke after PAPADOPOULOS. did not remember the topic of the Ukraine being brought up at any time. He rather recalled the focus of the meeting was on the nuclear Investirrationon 09/14/2017 at Reston, Virginia, United States (In Person) b6 File# Date drafted 12/14/2017 b7C by b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?25 1 3 (Rev. 05-08-10) I I 1073 ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of James Hoskins. 3011 09/14/2017 ,Page 2 of 3 weapon inventory and their associated dangers. HOSKINS explained the meeting had generated a large misconception in the media, where the press reported TRUMP to be enamored with nuclear weapons and anxious to use them. HOSKINS stated that was not the case as TRUMP merely questioned the large amount of spending on nuclear weapons if there is no intent to use them. HOSKINS further recalled the topic of cyber being brought up during the meeting as well. In addition to those in the photograph, HOSKINS b6 SAM CLOVIS, COREY LEWANDOWSKITRUMP's security b7C guard, being at the meeting. HOSKINS did not take notes during the meeting and did not remember if any other attendee had. HOSKINS attended a few more campaign meetings over the next coming months. Those meetings were primarily held for specific purposes and were more low key. HOSKINS was retired at the time and SESSIONS only called him for his expertise and experience in the intelligence community. HOSKINS remembered attending a meeting held at the TRUMP TOWER in New York, which consisted of approximately 12 to 15 people. In that instance, the meeting was held to prepare for an upcoming debate. HOSKINS recalled another instance where the members of the foreign policy team got together, at a social event held at KELLOGG's home. HOSKINS recalled PAGE being at that event, which was the only time he had met him. Approximately one month before the election, HOSKINS was asked to assist with the Presidential Transition Team (PTT). He joined the PTT after the election and attended regular meetings held near 1700 Street in Washington, D.C. He was a staff person on the intelligence team. HOSKINS remained on the PTT through the inauguration. HOSKINS brought his ex erience to the PTT, which was focused on automated vehicles and drones. the intelligence national security group which was be separate from the National Security Council, led by KELLOGG. HOSKINS had a b7C laptop and a phone which he used during his time on the PTT. Those devices were turned in after the inauguration. MICHAEL was involved in the National Security Council. HOSKINS saw him almost every day but did not speak with him. HOSKINS recalled being on the phone with during a debate meeting but did not provide any further details about the nature of the call. PAUL MANAFORT was no longer in the campaign when HOSKINS joined. HOSKINS spoke with him on a couple of occasions but only in the context of what the government should look like in the future. HOSKINS relayed that the FBK igw12'7832?22514 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of James Hoskins. ,On 09/14/2017 3 of 3 Page majority of his service to the TRUMP campaign was performed during the transition period. HOSKINS recalled reviewing STEPHEN MILLER's draft of the Mayflower speech but did not attend the event. HOSKINS did not recall any further conversations about Russia after the meeting on March 31st. He did not remember having any discussions about the hack of the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE and was not aware of anything related to Russian collusion. HOSKINS viewed PAPADOPOULOS as being a young guy who offered up a meeting outside of his scope. He related the event at the March 31st to that of older sages who told PAPADOPOULOS he was a young pup, that's a bad idea and it will look like you're playing favorites. HOSKINS added that when PAPADOPOULOS offered up the meeting with PUTIN, TRUMP did not act like he already knew him. HOSKINS sees TRUMP as being the type of person who would've said I already know him if he had. Instead, he took the information from one of his advisers and never brought it up again. HOSKINS was not aware of any other campaign members attempting to arrange meetings with foreign officials. FBK i?gmi EYE-25515 -l of 14-. FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) Dateofentry 10/05/2017 b6 b7C date of birth was interviewed at Washington, Ifrom the law offices of Greenberg Jason James Miller, the law offices of Greenberg Traurig, at 2101 L. Street, N.W., D.C. 20037. Miller was accompanied by his personal counsel, I and email addres? Traurig. Participating in the interview were FBI Special Agents (SA) I land Special Counsel's Office attorneys Brandon VanGrack and Zainab Ahmad. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing team and the purpose of the interview, Miller provided the following information: 135 per b6 b7C b5 per 135 per WHEEL-B- 08/31/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Investigation on File# Datedrafted 08/31/2017 b6 b7A by b'7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 1 2 78}'25 1 5 b?7A b7E (Rev 05-08-10) 3 mega- Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 Jag per FBK i?gmi (Rev 05-08-10) W/Fem Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 b7A b7E ,Page per M?m FBK i?gmi EYE-25518 b?7A (Rev 05-08-10) b7E ES Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 ,Page b'7C b5 per FBK i?gmi (Rev 05-08-10) b7A 3 .. Con?nua?onofFIL3020f (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 b7E ,Page b7C FBK (Rev 05-08-10) UN E157 Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 b7A b7E ,Page (Rev 05-08-10) b7A UN D. Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 b?7E ,Page b?7C 135 per FBK b?7A b7E (Rev 05-08-10) @960 Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 ,Page per 45:: b1 b3 b5 per Haas? FBK (Rev 05-08-10) .15 Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 ,Page b?7A b7E 9of14 per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFIL3020f (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 ,Page b7A b7E per FBK b7A b?7E W/m (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 Jag per (Rev? 05-08-10) 5: 3 b7A b?7E Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 Jag per :11per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,On 08/31/2017 b7A b?per DOJXOIP b5 per b5 per b7A b7E (Rev 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Jason James Miller ,011 08/31/2017 ,Page 14 of 14 FBK b7A 1:75: FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) 1 6 5 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/01/2018 Olga Kalashnikova, date of birth (DOB) Iwas be interviewed at the Office of Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. b7C I IIAI land Special Prosecutor Brian Richardson were present for the interview. Kalashnikova was represented I I Iof the law firm Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner. Kalashnikova was presented with a proffer agreement which she and her attorney, Isigned and dated. Special Prosecutor Richardson explained the proffer agreement to Kalashnikova and her and her attorney advised they had no questions regarding the agreement. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the interview, Kalashnikova provided the following information: b6 Kalashnikova was born inl IShe lived in b7A unti I Iwhen she moved to] Ito attendl b7C She graduated with a degree inl b6 b7A b7C Washingtong, District Of Columbia, United States (In b6 Investigationon 05/17/2018 at Person) b7A b7C File# Date drafted 05/21/2018 13713 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its to be distributed outside your agency. b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Olga Kalashnikova ,On 05/17/2018 Jag b7A b7C Kalashnikova provided the following email addresses for herself: . work email be b7A b7C . personal; . personal; . personal; b6 b7A b7C FBK 19w1278}-263 i, b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Olga Kalashnikova ,On 05/17/2018 3 of 6 Page b6 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C Kalashinkova provided the following list of people who worked for Deripaska: b6 b7A b7C FBK b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Olga Kalashnikova ,On 05/17/2018 ,Page George Oganov Kalashnikova thinks Oqanov reports directlv to Deripaskab7A b7C Kalashnikova advised she was not familiar with the following namesl b6 b7A b7C I kother than Via press reports); FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Olga Kalashnikova ,On 05/17/2018 ,Page 5 of 6 other than via press reportsb7A b7C FBK igw12'7832?22534 b7A (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Olga Kalashnikova ,On 05/17/2018 ,Page b7C FBK FDamuRaassun -1 of 10- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 01/23/2018 ZALMAY KHALILZAD, former United States (U.S.) Ambassador and current Board of Directors member of CENTER FOR THE NATIONAL INTEREST (CNI), was interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement at Baker Hostetler, LLP, 1050 Connecticut Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20036 by Special Agent (SA) ISAI IIntelligence Analyst b6 b7C IAssistant Special Counsel (ASC) Aaron Zelinsky, and ASC Andrew Goldstein. Accompanying KHALILZAD was CNI's outside counsel attorneys I Ifrom Baker Hostetler, LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing officials in the presence of his and after reviewing the proffer agreement, whereupon he provided attorneys, KHALILZAD executed the proffer agreement, the following information: From 2003 to 2005, KHALILZAD was the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan.b5 per From 2005 to 2007, KHALILZAD was the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq. From 2007 to 2009, KHALILZAD was the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (UNper 01/09/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Investigation on b7C by SAI I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 1 2 78}'253 5* I 1:75: (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad ,On 01/09/2018 2 of 10 ,Page ISIMES asked KHALILZAD to introduce TRUMP at the event. I FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad 3011 01/09/2018 b7E ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad 3011 01/09/2018 b7E ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad ,On 01/09/2018 ,Page per KHALILZAD had some discussions with SESSIONS KHALILZAD had in?person meetings with b5 per KHALILZAD also spoke to SESSIONS on the telephone on at least one occasion. I KHALILZAD and SESSIONS discussed Russia generally b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) I Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad ,On 01/09/2018 6 of 10 ,Page b5 per KHALILZAD described his discussions with SESSIONSI b5 per lspecifically the idea of nation?building. I b5 per DOJXOIP b5 per b5 per b6 b?7C b5 per (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad 3011 01/09/2018 b7E ,Page per (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad 3011 01/09/2018 b7E ,Page per FBIii-gcvizi?m?Ee?? (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad 3011 01/09/2018 b7E ,Page per b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) I I Interview of Zalmay Khalilzad ,On 01/09/2018 10 of 10 ,Page b?i'C FBK 19m12783+22545 b7E - 1 of 3 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 09/11/2018 (U) On 08/30/2018 Special Agents interviewed DAVID N. KLEIN (KLEIN) at the French Press Coffee Roasters Uptown at 95 Kennedy Blvd, Lakewood NJ 08701. The interview was establish via a telephone call During the phone call, KLEIN stated he was willing to talk with the FBI, had concerns about speaking to the FBI without an attorney present, but he could not afford an attorney. KLEIN stated he would meet with the SAs but reserved the right to not answer any questions or could stop the interview to consult b6 b7C with an attorney. In person and prior to the interview, SA reiterated to KLEIN the interview was entirely voluntary and KLEIN could stop the interview at any time. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing SAs and the purpose of the interview, KLEIN provided the following information: (U) During the 2016 Presidential Election, DONALD J. TRUMP (TRUMP) had a lot of support from people in Lakewood, NJ. KLEIN is from Los Angeles, CA and had al Iwith JASON b6 GREENBLATT (GREENBLATT), TRUMP's one?time attorney. KLEIN reached out to b7c GREENBLATT offering assistance to the TRUMP CAMPAIGN, but GREENBLATT never followed up with KLEIN. (U) KLEIN felt he could represent the people of Lakewood's interests to the TRUMP CAMPAIGN because KLEIN knows the players in Lakewood, NJ. :3 (U) KLEIN recalled that before and during the run?up to the 2016 election there was interest in improving relations between Russia and the United States (U.S.) unlike today. KLEIN felt it made sense to have a friendly relationship with Russia. KLEIN recalled SECRETARY HILLARY CLINTON's "reset" with Russia. (U) KLEIN is Orthodox Jewish and thought he could reach out to assist in improving U.S.?Russian relations through that community. KLEIN searched online and found RABBI BEREL LAZAR (LAZAR), the Chief Rabbi of Russia. KLEIN found LAZAR's email address online and contacted LAZAR. LAZAR's office reached out to KLEIN that LAZAR was planning a trip to the U.S. Investigationon 08/30/2018 at Lakewood, New Jersey, United States (In Person) b7E b6 by b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?25?45 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of David N. Klein 3011 08/30/2018 ,Page 2 of 3 KLEIN contacted the TRUMP CAMPAIGN and scheduled a meeting at TRUMP TOWER in New York, NY. (U) This meeting at TRUMP TOWER included LAZAR, GREENBLATT, KLEIN, and a PR person, whose name KLEIN could not recall. At the meeting they discussed improving U.S.?Russian relations. LAZAR wanted to invite GREENBLATT or another TRUMP CAMPAIGN representative to a celebration in Russia centered around the anniversary of Israel. KLEIN reached out to LAZAR one or two times for feedback on the relationship but did not hear much back. GREENBLATT said nothing came out of the relationship. b6 b7C I 1 (U) KLEIN contacted COREY LEWANDOWSKI via LinkedIn around June 2015, after TRUMP's candidacy was announced. KLEIN offered support and assistance to the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI responded to him saying the campaign needed volunteers in New York, NY at the time and not in Lakewood, NJ. KLEIN did not think the commute to New York, NY made sense so he did not directly assist the campaign. (U) As the potential for a TRUMP victory increased, KLEIN reached out to the campaign regarding the saboteur in the government with the idea to eventually put downward pressure on the individual and hope to open opportunities for his company. KLEIN reached out to LEWANDOWSKI again, but did not hear a response. KLEIN followed up with another email and b6 b7C KLEIN thought puttingl Ion the CC line made him appear legitimate to LEWANDOWSKI. Afte? lemail, LEWANDOWSKI told KLEIN to get in touch with SAM CLOVIS (CLOVIS). (U) CLOVIS contacted KLEIN and thev set up a meeting in Washington. DC to discuss b6 b7C (U) KLEIN was shown document Bates [Bates removed from shown copy]. KLEIN recalled he told CLOVIS he knew LAZAR but CLOVIS did not (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of David N. Klein 011 08/30/2018 Page 3 of 3 respond and showed no interest. KLEIN then went to GREENBLATT to coordinate the meeting. KLEIN recalled the meeting at TRUMP TOWER took place after the email. (U) In reference to the line "You may remember back in from the email, KLEIN recalled he met CLOVIS in January 2016 regarding b6 b7C (U) KLEIN has been out of touch with CLOVIS for about a year. They had some contact during the campaign and the administration where CLOVIS had a position at the Department of Agriculture. CLOVIS left the Department of Agriculture and KLEIN has had no contact with CLOVIS. (U) KLEIN had no prior relationship with LAZAR prior to reaching out to LAZAR's secretary in advance of contacting him regarding U.S.?Russian relations. KLEIN said the email was proof of no prior relationship. Additionally, the email used the word "possibility" showing the Putin meeting was not previously established and only conceptual. (U) As mentioned in the email, the concept of a meeting was KLEIN's idea. The idea for that potential meeting did not come up in the TRUMP TOWER meeting with LAZAR and GREENBLATT. KLEIN had no further communication with CLOVIS regarding the set up of a Russia meeting. (U) The meeting idea was only conceptual when KLEIN had the meeting at TRUMP TOWER. KLEIN did not believe he discussed the idea of the meeting with LAZAR in coordinating for the TRUMP TOWER meeting. b6 b7C (U) KLEIN had no knowledge of if LAZAR reached out to other Presidential Campaigns. (U) KLEIN communicated with LAZAR with a follow?up email after the TRUMP TOWER meeting. Communications were in the nature of helping out and improving relations. (U) The phone number listed in the email, I is no longer b6 active. KLEIN was on a group plan with a former boss and lost the number b7C when he left the plan. KLEIN's emaill Iis still active. KLEIN did not want to give the interviewing SAs his other email address. rq3-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1 C>f 8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/22/2018 (U) On 02/27/2018 Special with Assistant Special Counsel Aaron Zelinksy interviewed LENDWOOD LANDRUM AKA b5 PETE LANDRUM (LANDRUM) at the Special Counsel's Office in Washington, Dc. b7c and were also present. ASC Zelinksy admonished LANDRUM that it is a crime to lie to the FBI, that this interview was voluntary, and that any questions asked were not intended to elicit information discussed with LANDRUM's stated that LANDRUM was prepped on the documents perviously provided. that LANDRUM would be happy to research any other information and provide it. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Special Agents and the nature of the interview, LANDRUM provided the following informationb7C Investigationon 02/27/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Hm# Dmemmkd 03/01/20l8 b6 by SA b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?25?4g (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum ,On 02/27/2018 2 of 8 ,Page b5 per DOJXOIP per DOJXOIP b5 per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum 3011 02/27/2018 b7E ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum On 02/27/2018 Eng FESSIONS was b7c concerned that Russia was selling Air Defense Systems to Iran. SESSIONS was concerned about Russian planes buzzing US Military Assets in the region. I ISESSIONS was concerned about the emerging democracies, like Moldova and Ukraine, which felt Russia is conducting threatening actions against them. KISLYAK attempted to explain. IKISLYAK offered for SESSIONS to come to a lunch at the Embassy so that KISLYAK can share the Russian side of the events. SESSIONS gave no answer. LANDRUM was not aware of any follow?up to the offer. b5 per FBK igw12'7832?22552 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum On 02/27/20l8 Eng 5 of 8 b5 per (U) KISLYAK mentioned it was an interesting campaign. b5 per There was no indication KISLYAK asked for any conveyance of information to or from the TRUMP CAMPAIGN from SESSIONS. LANDRUM did not recall if election meddling was discussed. SESSIONS brought up his concern for Eastern European countries that were uncomfortable with the threatening actions of Russia, I KI SLYAK mentioned NATO and the status of permanent Western forces in the Eastern European countries bordering Russia. KISLYAK said thatl NATO should not have permanent forces in place. (U) The meeting lasted 15?20 minutesper (U) SESSIONS met with Ambassadors from the Ukraine, Bulgaria, Japan, India, Egypt, Israel, United Kingdom, China, Baltics, and Georgia, among b5 per FBK i?gmi (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum 02/27/2018 b7C FBK (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum On 02/27/2018 Eng per FBK (Rev, 05-08-10) I b7E Interview of Lenwood (Pete) Landrum On 02/27/2018 ,Page per FBK IUD-302 - 1. C>f 1.7 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 12/22/2017 COREY LEWANDOWSKI, date of birth Social Security Account Number lwas interviewed on November 8, 2017 at the Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Counsel's office, 395 b6 b7C Street SW, Washington, D.C. Present during the interview were Attorneyl I FBI Special Agent (SA) SAI I Special Counsel Attorney JEANNIE RHEE, Special Counsel Attorney AARON ZELINSKY, and Special Counsel Attorney ANDREW GOLDSTEIN. Prior to the interview, LEWANDOWSKI and his attorney were provided with the attached show documents to review for approximately two hours at the interview location. They were allowed to review the documents at the FBI office but did not receive a copy of the documents. At the beginning of the interview, LEWANDOWSKI signed the attached agreement and was informed that making intentional false statements to the SAs could result in federal charges. LEWANDOWSKI then provided the following information: LEWANDOWSKI initially became involved in the DONALD J. TRUMP (TRUMP) presidential campaign when he was the National Director for Voter Registration in Manchester, NH. In April 2014, he was involved in an event for 2016 presidential candidates and DAVID BOSSIE of CITIZENS UNITED asked LEWANDOWSKI about joining the TRUMP campaign. LEWANDOWSKI met with TRUMP in January 2015 and then became the Senior Political Advisor working with the TRUMP ORGANIZATION until the official campaign was stood up. Then LEWANDOWSKI became the Campaign Manager for the TRUMP presidential campaign. LEWANDOWSKI was paid approximately b6 base salary with the opportunity for bonuses. The bonuses b7c each state if TRUMP won the primaries for Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina. The bonus TRUMP placed second in those states. These payments were negotiated with TRUMP prior to the campaign being stood up. b6 At the time LEWANDOWSKI was brought on, he the b7C only paid campaign team members. involved in the campaign Investigationon 11/08/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 nm# Dmemmkd 11/09/2017 b7c by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 2 Of 17 b6 prior to LEWANDOWSKI being hired. b7A b7C Although there was no additional campaign staff at that time, MICHAEL COHEN, Executive Vice President of TRUMP ORGANIZATION, was involved in the campaign through his position with TRUMP ORGANIZATION but not directly with the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI worked withl I be for TRUMP ORGANIZATION, andl b'7C for TRUMP ORGANIZATION, for logistics and payments but did not engage in political activities with them. HOPE HICKS and AMANDA MILLER were TRUMP ORGANIZATION employees at the time who eventually transitioned over to work on the campaign. KEITH SCHILLER, TRUMP's "body guy", traveled with the team. They were not compensated by the campaign at that time and were loosely considered part of the team. b6 b7A b7C LEWANDOWSKI was physically separated from TRUMP, HICKS, and COHEN prior to the campaign office standing up. LEWANDOWSKI was on a separate floor of TRUMP ORGANIZATION. LEWANDOWSKI thinks the campaign office was stood up in August or September 2015, or possibly as early as June 2015. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to the show document marked 1 and asked about I Iwas hired by LEWANDOWSKI inl Ito b6 be thel land was compensated by the campaign. b7c served as al Ifor the campaign and had some political experience. LEWANDOWSKI also named several other state directors working for the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI provided his background and experience related to politics and campaigns. LEWANDOWSKI attended grad school in and b6 then worked asl Ion the hill for BOB NEY, a congressman from Ohio, b7C forl I LEWANDOWSKI also worked for BOB SMITH, a senator from New Hampshire. He then worked forI I LEWANDOWSKI advised DON was the campaign counsel early on and JONES DAY was the legal firm representing the campaign. FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,ng 3 of 17 COHEN had some political experience having run for a city council position in New York. COHEN initially took a keen interest in LEWANDOWSKI and helped LEWANDOWSKI get acclimated. Eventually, COHEN spent less and less time with LEWANDOWSKII b6 b7C I I By the time the campaign officially launched, LEWANDOWSKI would not spend time in COHEN's office. COHEN had close to unlimited access to TRUMP and his kids. COHEN worked alongside DONALD TRUMP JR. (JUNIOR), ERIC TRUMP (ERIC), and IVANKA TRUMP (IVANKA) every day. LEWANDOWSKI is not sure what COHEN's role was at TRUMP ORGANIZATION. LEWANDOWSKI does not think COHEN has good political instincts. So eventually LEWANDOWSKI would disregard COHEN's recommendations. COHEN would talk directly to TRUMP about the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI never talked to TRUMP or his kids about COHEN's lack of political instincts or COHEN's attempts to discredit LEWANDOWSKI in the media. LEWANDOWSKI was asked who would be considered COHEN's advocates and detractors in the office. LEWANDOWSKI suggested JASON and joked that maybe the elevator operators in the office may have been COHEN's only advocates, and GRAEF, ALAN GARTEN and the TRUMP children may have been detractors. b6 b7A b7C fired by TRUMPI land rehired prior to LEWANDOWSKI joining the team. In January 2014, ITRUMP and a Buzzfeed for were on a plane and got stuck in Florida when they couldn't deplane. The reporter, COPPINS, then b6 wrote a derogatory piece about TRUMP's presidential aspirations. TRUMP b7C ended up he had vouched for the reporter. LEWANDOWSKI came in as supervisor. I Iwas terminatedl Ibecause ofI I TRUMP hired him again because he is a nice man with a strong sense of loyalty. The FBK igw12'7832?2255R (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FDSOZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,result of b6 b7A b7C Hiring for the campaign was pretty small. In 2015, there were approximately 40 employees making up a small headquarters and keeping most employees in their own states. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to the show document marked 2 and asked about STEVE BANNON. LEWANDOWSKT said BANNON didn't have any formal role in the campaign but he fundamentally liked TRUMP's message. He was the Chairman for BREITBART at the time. LEWANDOWSKI knew BANNON prior to LEWANDOWSKI's involvement in the campaign. BANNON would communicate his ideas to the b5 campaign. The Super PAC was headed by BANNON the time, so BANNON's campaign involvement was limited. BANNON introduced MICHAEL to LEWANDOWSKI. BANNON also introduced SEBASTIAN GORKA to the campaign. LEWANDOWSKT received a brief from and asked TRUMP if he was interested in meeting TRUMP told LEWANDOWSKI to go ahead and setup a meeting. In September 2015, and TRUMP met and discussed foreign policy for about an hour. LEWANDOWSKI arranged the meeting and walked up to their headquarters where and TRUMP spoke alone. LEWANDOWSKT does not recall if he engaged in any conversations with TRUMP after about the content of the meeting. came back for at least one more meeting and may have come back for a third. LEWANDOWSKI wasn't present for their conversations and doesn't know if Russia was discussed. LEWANDOWSKI acknowledged was pushing his ideas about Russia but LEWANDOWSKI mentioned it wasn't necessarily because the campaign was interested in ideas but because the campaign needed an endorsement from someone like LEWANDOWSKI explained had "the look" they needed to represent the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI actively pursued endorsement throughout the primary process through multiple phone conversations and two face?to?face meetings in Trump Tower. LEWANDOWSKI is not aware of any foreign policy stances requested by in exchange for his endorsement. LEWANDOWSKT does not recall conversations about Russia with regard to took on a much bigger role in the campaign after LEWANDOWSKI left. In reference to ow document marked 2, LEWANDOWSKI was asked about b6 b?7c FBK and who were copied on an email from (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,ng 5 of 17 eventually went to BANNON and then to b6 LEWANDOWSKI. LEWANDOWSKI explained he doesn't know : or : but b7C believesl land a colleague of BANNON but was not officially on the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI was asked about TRUMP's stance on foreign policy and how the campaign's foreign policy team was developed. LEWANDOWSKI explained he didn't believe foreign policy would play a dominant role in the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI did not have experience in foreign policy and had no significant foreign travel. In Fall 2015, Dr. SAM CLOVIS was brought on to the campaign because he was a and had experience. CLOVIS reported to LEWANDOWSKI. The campaign needed to quell the idea in the media that TRUMP had no foreign policy team. The media harped on the idea that TRUMP took his foreign policy advice from himself. CLOVIS was charged with validating the individuals on the team. They did not engage in foreign policy discussions. TRUMP's policy was more U.S.?centric, focused on domestic policy issues. During time on the campaign, TRUMP went to Scotland. There was talk of other foreign travel. It was the desire of the family, specifically KUSHNER, to bring TRUMP to Israel. KUSHNER had a long?standing relationship with the Prime Minister of Israel. TRUMP tweeted that he wouldn't go to Israel. LEWANDOSKI said "Bibi" (a known alias for Prime Minister BENJAMIN NETANYAHU) made a public comment about TRUMP and the trip was called off. LEWANDOWSKI noted it was common for Republican candidates to travel to Israel. LEWANDOWSKI knew TRUMP did not want to leave the country. TRUMP almost didn't want to go to Scotland. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall plans to travel to Russia. He recalled an inquiry about a trip to Germany, Israel and Russia but does not recall any plans to go. LEWANDOWSKII I b6 b7A b7C 1e LEWANDOWSKI was asked why COHEN would want TRUMP to travel to Russia. LEWANDOWSKI explained the TRUMP ORGANIZATION pays money to those who get new business. Maybe COHEN thought there was new business in Russia. Early in involvement with the campaign, approximately Spring 2015, COHEN received money for setting up a video teleconference between TRUMP and a former soviet republic country. LEWANDOWSKI explained he couldn't stop this event from taking place and wasn't able to perform any due diligence on it since TRUMP was FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,ng 6 of 17 doing it as part of the business. LEWANDOWSKI wouldn't have wanted any fallout from this conference. A wealthy person ovenseas had asked for one hour of TRUMP on camera and TRUMP received for it. COHEN received money from it as well. b6 b7C LEWANDOWSKI had no knowledge of a project for Trump Tower in Moscow. LEWANDOWSKI was not privy to discussion about the business because they were physically separated. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall any discussions about Russia in 2015. LEWANDOWSKI was shown document 4 which is an email from September 2015 in which a reporter asks about plans for TRUMP and PUTIN to meet during the United Nations meeting. LEWANDOWSKI explained COHEN raised this with the press without consulting with the campaign or TRUMP. LEWANDOWSKI never heard any conversations about setting up a meeting with PUTIN. LEWANDOSKI said MAGGIE HABERMAN iS one Of COHEN's media contacts. COHEN wanted to stay relevant with the media. LEWANDOWSKI said COHEN made the decision not to join the campaign early on because he didn't think it would be a success. LEWANDOWSKI tried not to interact with COHEN. LEWANDOWSKI would ask HICKS, who had a better relationship with COHEN, to approach COHEN and ask if COHEN was initiating these false news stories. COHEN told her he wasn't. It was widely known among senior staff that COHEN's financial situation was strenuous due to his high leverage of taxi medallions. TRUMP spoke with in front of LEWANDOWSKI about b6 TRUMP askedl Iaboutl Ias if they had previous discussions aboutl I TRUMP asked if LEWANDOWSKI thinks these conversations occurred in Spring 2016. LEWANDOWSKI is not aware of COHEN having any interests in Russia other than the deal he arranged for the TRUMP teleconference previously mentioned and public reporting of his conversations with FELIX SATER. LEWANDOWSKI does not know if COHEN brought business in for TRUMP ORGANIZATION or if he had any attorney responsibilities for the company. LEWANDOWSKI doesn't believe COHEN represented TRUMP in any legal capacity. TRUMP never called COHEN his personal attorney. When TRUMP ORGANIZATION needed to replace the engine in their 747, COHEN worked with the vendor to bring the cost of the engine down. Sometimes COHEN would F??i??v1278}2552 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 Cm?mm?mu?FDSOZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,ng 7 of 17 deliver messages to the media. COHEN's role with TRUMP ORGANIZATION was minimized when TRUMP became president which is probably why COHEN left TRUMP ORGANIZATION. b6 COHEN went to work as aI Iwith a law firm working out b7C of Iin New York trying to stay relevant. TRUMP told LEWANDOWSKI that TRUMP has no business in Russia. TRUMP is b6 a loyal person, sometimes to a fault. LEWANDOWSKI provided b7A and COHEN as examples of this. b7c LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 3, which was an email dated September 8, 2015 from BANNON to LEWANDOWSKI indicating ERIC PRINCE worked up some talking points for the campaign. LEWANDOSKI explained BANNON recommended PRINCE but PRINCE had no formal role in the campaign and didn't have any time with senior campaign members. CLOVIS or LEWANDOWSKI would have known if PRINCE was involved with the campaign and LEWANDOWSKI does not recall PRINCE being involved with the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI recalls they assembled a foreign policy team to roll out at a public event, the Washington Post editorial board meeting in March 2016. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall any discussions about what the campaign was looking for in its foreign policy team. CLOVIS led this effort and was assigned to select the team. involvement in the foreign policy team was important to the campaign because of an event in Mobile, Alabama in August 2015 where SESSIONS supported TRUMP. STEPHEN MILLER had been a SESSIONS staffer and was hired by LEWANDOWSKI to work for the campaign in January 2016. STEPHEN MILLER and SESSIONS had a close relationship. RICK DEARBORN was also involved in getting endorsement. TRUMP reached out to SESSIONS personally to request his involvement. LEWANDOWSKI and STEPHEN MILLER spoke with SESSIONS often and it was determined STEPHEN MILLER would have the lead role in the substance of foreign policy and domestic policy. STEPHEN MILLER would work with CLOVIS on foreign policy issues, including immigration and national security. LEWANDOWSKI gave CLOVIS a deadline of March 21, 2016 to recommend a foreign policy team. SESSIONS was the only priority member of the team LEWANDOWSKI was aware of. CLOVIS recommended all the members of the foreign policy team and LEWANDOWSKI gave the list a cursory glance. Around this time, KUSHNER exerted himself into a more aggressive role with the campaign, along with IVANKA. KUSHNER and IVANKA thought their should be specialty teams for the campaign to be credible. The foreign policy team would handle putting together foreign policy FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 8 of 17 papers. TRUMP had almost no involvement in the day?to?day operations of the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 9, which was an email from September 2015 with subject line "Re: Invoice Funding for Russia Photo Spot" in which LEWANDOSWKI stated wants to change this ad. Doesn't think Putin works right now." LEWANDOWSKI explained this was in reference to a tongue?in?cheek ad the campaign wanted to shoot at TRUMP's Mar?a?Lago estate which would show a senior Russian official in his office becoming outraged as he watched a news report that TRUMP won the presidency. The Russian official would express that he was outraged because now the U.S. would be tough on Russia. LEWANDOWSKI said TRUMP decided to table this ad idea because he didn't think it would be helpful or harmful with the approaching Iowa caucus, so he didn't want to spend money on it. TRUMP is really cheap. He never denied a funding request by LEWANDOWSKI because TRUMP knew LEWANDOWSKI was responsible with spending. LEWANDOWSKI compiled spreadsheets of expenses detailed by category. The expenses were reviewed brought to b6 TRUMP for final approval. TRUMP would decide on a final spending amount b7C to be wired to the campaign The campaign was self?funded along with small dollar website donations. LEWANDOWSKI estimates the funding to be 25 million dollars for the first three primaries. TRUMP would occasionally direct LEWANDOWSKI to spend more money on ads in certain locations and have the money wired to the campaign. These decisions were made based on TRUMP's gut and publicly available polling information. TRUMP's children became more involved in the campaign around the time of the Iowa caucus, in approximately March 2016. During the period from February to June 2016, the polls improved and they became more b6 involved. JUNIOR and ERIC, including ERIC's would b7c travel wherever they were asked to meet with fishers, golfers, and outdoors men but they were not traveling with the campaign team. IVANKA was hesitant to get involved with the campaign unless it was good for her brand. For example, when TRUMP hosted SNL she joined him. IVANKA was separated from TRUMP ORGANIZATION with her own line. KUSHNER just showed up regularly and was always at Trump Tower. He didn't appear to have any day?to-day responsibilities at KUSHNER COMPANIES since he was never there. During his first trip with the campaign in November 2015 to Michigan, KUSHNER said he was going to Michigan for business and then started to interject himself in the campaign and became involved in most major decisions. (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,ng 9 of 17 On Monday mornings, there would be family meetings with KUSHNER, LEWANDOWSKI, HICKS, MANAFORT, GATES and TRUMP's grown children. They would meet in ERIC's office. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall any comments about a trip to Russia during these meetings and doesn't recall KUSHNER making any statements in regards to Russia. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 6, which was an email from CLOVIS in September 2015 regarding notes for a USS Iowa presentation in which "Deal with Russia and Vladimir Putin directly" was listed as a bullet under the Foreign Policy topic. LEWANDOWSKI was asked about stance on Russia and said he was not sure what stance was. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall discussing Russia with CLOVIS. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 10, which was an email from HICKS to CLOVIS and LEWANDOWSKI in December 2015 with a quote from TRUMP about PUTIN and cooperation with Russia. LEWANDOWSKI explained this email was in response to a forward?facing request from media about comments from PUTIN. LEWANDOWSKI explained the quote was a result of a conversation he heard between TRUMP and HICKS about responding to PUTIN's comments. LEWANDOWSKI explained that TRUMP respected strong leadership personalities such as PUTIN. TRUMP's respect of PUTIN eminates from the type of leader PUTIN is in Russia, stemming from the fact that Russia thinks the way PUTIN wants Russia to think. TRUMP believes a world leader demands respect. TRUMP talked about the benefit of working with Russia on issues like ISIL by promoting respect between the two country leaders. LEWANDOWSKI was asked who would be helping to inform TRUMP's views on Russia. He explained that very few had direct contact to engage TRUMP on this. HICKS, STEPHEN MILLER, SCHILLER and DAN SCAVINO would all have a first person account of TRUMP's views and were involved in articulating TRUMP's messaging. TRUMP's children were not largely involved in shaping policy. LEWANDOWSKI described the one exception being JUNIOR and the second amendment, which he strongly advocated for. I KUSHNER liked to make statements with maximum impact b6 when few people were around. He would be silent in a meeting and then b7C make a comment after everyone had left. During the transition team, KUSHNER had a strong interest in international affairs but not necessarily foreign policy. I I KUSHNER was designated to meet with foreign leaders instead of CHRISTIE. Other than what has been publicly reported, LEWANDOWSKI does not know what foreign leaders KUSHNER met with. LEWANDOWSKI was briefed by BRAD PARSCALE on online and digital marketing comercials KUSHNER was FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 10 of 17 involved in when advertising money was available. KUSHNER became more involved as the campaign progressed. KUSHNER ran point for the first foreign policy speech on April 27, 2016. KUSHNER handled the who, what, when and where. KUSHNER was involved in finding a sponsor for the speech, developing the guest list, reviewing the draft by reaching out to HENRY KISSINGER and working on digital media for the event. LEWANDOWSKI does not think KUSHNER became involved in the foreign policy speech planning because of the March 31, 2016 foreign policy meeting. LEWANDOWSKI thinks KUSHNER was just filling a gap because CLOVIS was not a strong leader. LEWANDOWSKI knows the speech was sponsored by DIMITRI SIMES of a Washington think tank but did not know how KUSHNER came to know SIMES. LEWANDOWSKI had not heard of SIMES before and only role in the speech was to make sure TRUMP read it ahead of time, which he did in the car ride to the speech. LEWANDOWSKI explained the speech the FBI has included in their documents is not the final speech because TRUMP made changes to the speech in the car. By the time of the speech, LEWANDOWSKI knew MANAFORT, GATES and DEARBORN were going to be taking over the campaign and LEWANDOWSKI and MANAEORT were already in open disagreement about the campaign. MANAEORT brought GATES onto the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI and his associates cared about TRUMP, not themselves, but MANAFORT and his associates were interested in what was best for MANAFORT. LEWANDOWSKI grouped SCAVINO in with LEWANDOWSKI's associates. LEWANDOWSKI physically attended the speech but didn't listen to it. During the speech, LEWANDOWSKI was in the back the whole time dealing with a campaign crisis. b6 b7A b7C LEWANDOWSKI explained the story was "bullshit" and there was no audit. LEWANDOWSKI thinks he and TRUMP may have gone to the Republican National Committee (RNC) for a meeting and possibly Indiana that same day. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 17, which was an email in January 2016 from EDWARD COX introducing CARTER PAGE to LEWANDOWSKI listing PAGE's Russian business experience and an article PAGE wrote regarding PUTIN. LEWANDOWSKI explained this was the first time he heard of PAGE. TRUMP had instructed LEWANDOWSKI to build a relationship with COX, who was well known to the campaign as the former RNC chair. FBK 19w12'7832?2555 (Rev, 05-08-10) 1375' (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 11 of 17 LEWANDOWSKI explained PAGE had an office in the building next to Trump Tower. LEWANDOWSKI recalls setting up a meeting but doesn't recall meeting PAGE or the details of their conversation. LEWANDOWSKI does not think he would have met PAGE alone. HICKS, STEPHEN MILLER, CLOVIS or MICHAEL GLASSNER would likely have been there too. It is possible LEWANDOWSKI introduced PAGE to CLOVIS as PAGE indicated in his testimony on the Hill. Based on his lack of recollection, LEWANDOWSKI believes the meeting would have been short and insignificant. LEWANDOWSKI hired GLASSNER in July 2015 as the National Field Director for the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI promoted GLASSNER. GLASSNER and LEWANDOWSKI had a good working relationship. GLASSNER was reliable. He was tasked with staff hiring at the state base level. GLASSNER was only involved in foreign policy when no one else was handling it. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 28, which was an email in April 2016 from NEWT GINGRICH expressing concerns about PAGE's ties to PUTIN and Russian investment activities. LEWANDOWSKI does not believe he responded to this email. LEWANDOWSKI explained there was nothing actionable in the email for him. LEWANDOWSKI wouldn't have remembered this. He and GINGRICH largely talked on the phone. GINGRICH was well known and trusted by LEWANDOWSKI but by April LEWANDOWSKI bequeathed a significant part of foreign policy to CLOVIS. STEPHEN MILLER was also on the email and handling policy, so LEWANDOWSKI left it to STEPHEN MILLER. LEWANDOWSKI didn't have daily interactions with PAGE. PAGE was asked to serve on the board but didn't even show up. CLOVIS should have been supervising and performing due dilligence. LEWANDOWSKI did not b6 recognize the name from the email chain. b7C LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 14, which was an email in January 2016 from PAGE to CLOVIS and GLASSNER that LEWANDOWSKI is copied on, in which PAGE discusses high level Russian contacts he has that can arrange a meeting with PUTIN. LEWANDOWSKI explained that due to his short attention span and the high volume of emails he got, he would not have read an email this long when he is not on the To: line. LEWANDOWSKI explained he didn't even know what GAZPROM was. LEWANDOWSKI didn't know these guys. If DEARBORN or SESSIONS emailed LEWANDOWSKI, he would respond. PAGE didn't have that level of respect from LEWANDOWSKI. LEWANDOWSKI distinguished the team by whether someone was paid or had a donaldtrump.com email account. LEWANDOWSKI would pay attention to someone like KELLYANNE CONWAY, for example, because she was a known entity for him. LEWANDOWSKI was asked about the fact that he approved PAGE's travel to Russia in June 2016 on the day before he was fired from the (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 12 of 17 campaign. LEWANDOWSKI explained he told PAGE he could do whatever he wanted because he didn't speak for TRUMP. The whole foreign policy team was a scam to get something on paper for the Washington Post editorial board meeting. LEWANDOWSKI had regular interactions with the good people, like and KEITH KELLOGG. LEWANDOWSKI would proactively reach out to them for speech input because he respected their experience. b6 b7C LEWANDOWSKI was asked about whether this caused greater concern about letting PAGE go to Russia, since he was seen as a loose cannon. LEWANDOWSKI figured the event PAGE was speaking at was legitimate since a previous president spoke there, so LEWANDOWSKI didn't have concerns. LEWANDOWSKI had 100% control of the campaign before MANAFORT came on. LEWANDOWSKI knew he was about to lose his job. TRUMP talked to LEWANDOWSKI three times on the day before LEWANDOWSKI was fired. LEWANDOWSKI was fired on Father's Day and remembers TRUMP telling him, "They hate me because they hate you." The family had already met that weekend before in Bedminster. LEWANDOWSKI was pissed TRUMP wouldn't save LEWANDOWSKI because TRUMP should have saved him. LEWANDOWSKI explained "family is family" and the line between family and staff was very clear. LEWANDOWSKI was asked about whether maybe he approved PAGE's travel as a kick in the pants for being fired. LEWANDOWSKI said PAGE wasn't a priority and LEWANDOWSKI gave up once he knew he was getting fired. He was upset HICKS, SCAVINO and SCHILLER didn't stand up for him either since they were his friends. CHRISTY is the only one who stood up to TRUMP for LEWANDOWSKI. BANNON and PRIEBUS also learned family wins. General JOHN KELLY will too. PAGE wouldn't have been involved in the campaign if LEWANDOWSKI still had full control. LEWANDOWSKI was asked if he recalled the campaign discussing the Logan Act. He said he doesn't know what that is and doesn't recall discussing it. LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 42, which was an email in May 2016 from CLOVIS to LEWANDOWSKI providing updates on several items including the statement, will pursue the Russia issue tomorrow. I want to make sure we can do it before reaching out to the Russians to see what they might have in mind." LEWANDOWSKI said there were no actionable items in the email for him. LEWANDOWSKI was informed there was other correspondence between LEWANDOWSKI and CLOVIS about this matter in which LEWANDOWSKI tasked CLOVIS with tracking down information. LEWANDOWSKI FBK (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 13 of 17 said he and CLOVIS had a conversation during which CLOVIS raised the idea of a trip to Russia. LEWANDOWSKI told CLOVIS to track it down and figure out the legality and logistics and he would present it to TRUMP. LEWANDOWSKI never received a resolution, so he never went to the candidate with it. LEWANDOWSKI does not remember who raised the idea of a trip to Russia first but LEWANDOWSKI would not have raised it out of the blue. Knowing TRUMP desired not to leave the country, LEWANDOWSKI thought it could be a logistical and political nightmare. LEWANDOWSKI thinks CLOVIS brought the idea to him in approximately February 2016 but doesn't know for certain. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall the topic coming up at the March 31, 2016 foreign policy team meeting. He does not recall GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS mentioning a meeting with PUTIN. LEWANDOWSKI doesn't recall meeting PAPADOPOULOS but thinks he first met PAPADOPOULOS at that foreign policy meeting. There were several other meetings going on that day. It's possible LEWANDOWSKI had a call with him but he doesn't remember any calls. LEWANDOWSKI thought his communications with PAPADOPOULOS were limited to one face?to?face meeting and an email. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall CLOVIS attending the March 31, 2016 meeting but LEWANDOWSKI would have directed any such requests from PAPADOPOULOS regarding a trip to CLOVIS. LEWANDOWSKI did not sit at the table during that meeting but he was there along with HICKS, STEPHEN MILLER, SCHILLER, and SCAVINO. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall a reaction from SESSIONS or any conversations about a visit after that meeting. LEWANDOWSKI does not know if SESSIONS was in the room during those conversations. LEWANDOWSKI was asked if anyone was pushing for a campaign trip to Russia. CLOVIS had previous Russia ties due to his military experience. People were encouraging a trip to Russia which is why LEWANDOWSKI asked CLOVIS to run down the details. When asked who was encouraging a trip to Russia, LEWANDOWSKI explained MANAEORT, GATES and a woman LEWANDOWSKI thought was namedl Iorl Iwho served as b6 LEWANDOWSKI does not believe MANAFORT NC traveled to Russia for the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI was very adamant TRUMP had no interest in traveling overseas. LEWANDOWSKI does not believe he spoke directly to TRUMP about a trip to Russia. LEWANDOWSKI said that his interactions with CLOVIS about planning a Russia visit could have happened in person or over the phone. During July, August and September 2015, CLOVIS helped prepare for the presidential debates in New York. At that time, the campaign was a flat organization. FBK 19w12'7832?Ee??g (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 14 of 17 LEWANDOWSKI said the campaign did not have an official policy about foreign travel and wasn't aware of any one taking foreign trips. The family left if they wanted to leave. CLOVIS could have shared info about foreign travel directly with KUSHNER if he wanted to. If KUSHNER wanted to setup a foreign trip, he likely would have worked directly with TRUMP to arrange it. LEWANDOWSKI was not aware of any foreign government holding derogatory information on HILLARY CLINTON. LEWANDOWSKI was not aware of other campaign members having such information. He did not solicit any opposition research work, other than from the RNC, and only utilized publicly available information. The campaign never paid for opposition research. They talked about CLINTON's 33,000 emails based on public reporting but TRUMP didn't use email and didn't understand how emails could go missing. LEWANDOWSKI saw reporting about Cambridge Analytica reaching out to JULIAN ASSANGE but LEWANDOWSKI wasn't aware of that prior to the reporting. The campaign received a large flash drive from RNC with CLINTON derogratory information. SEAN SPICER gave the drive to LEWANDOWSKI in March 2016 but LEWANDOWSKI never saw it used to attack CLINTON. LEWANDOWSKI doesn't know what it contained. It was a 400 page document, which was too long for LEWANDOWSKI to read. LEWANDOWSKI never attempted to solicit or access CLINTON's emails and doesn't recall anyone having advance knowledge of access to those emails. LEWANDOWSKI is not b6 aware of anyone trying to get those emails from an outside b7A source. LEWANDOWSKI saidl we LEWANDOWSKI explained that TOM BARRACK of Colony Capital is a long time business associate of TRUMP's. BARRACK helped TRUMP raise money. BARRACK emailed IVANKA and KUSHNER about TRUMP heading into a new phase of the campaign and suggested MANAFORT's experience with political struggles made him a good candidate. LEWANDOWSKI guesses MANAFORT and BARRACK have financial ties. In March 2016, LEWANDOWSKI was asked to setup a meeting between MANAFORT and TRUMP which is when LEWANDOWSKI first met MANAFORT. MANAFORT didn't need money and would probably work for free, lived in Trump Tower and was referred by BARRACK, all of which made him very attractive to TRUMP. They setup a dinner meeting in Mar?a-lago during March 2016. TRUMP's relationship with MANAFORT was transactional. They needed each other for something for a period of time. MANAFORT needed TRUMP for relevance because Washington, D.C. hadn't heard of him in thirty years. MANAFORT was very involved in public announcements and press for FBK igw12'7832?22570 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?/2017 ,On 11/08/2017 15 of 17 the campaign. MANAFORT gave the campaign some political establishment. DEARBORN reported to MANAFORT when DEARBORN was in the Washington, D.C. policy shop. KUSHNER still thinks MANAFORT is a good guy. The purpose of the Washington, D.C. shop was to establish a presence in D.C. where lobbyists could meet with the campaign. After MANAFORT was b6 fired, the D.C. shop was closed and moved to New York. who b7A was close toI land GATES, came over as thel I ch I I PRIEBUS was close to MANAFORT and decided to negotiate with MANAFORT rather than LEWANDOWSKI regarding RNC matters. LEWANDOWSKI served as chairman for the state of New Hampshire at the Convention, which was only an organizational role. LEWANDOWSKI did not serve on a committee or attend the Convention. In regards to platform changes related to arming Ukraine, LEWANDOWSKI said people told him it was the will and desire of TRUMP to change that particular issue and not a specific person pushing for it. LEWANDOWSKI had no visibility on TRUMP's will regarding this and there was no specific person designated to have that knowledge. LEWANDOWSKI heard it was a consensus to change the platform language based on the nominee's stance. LEWANDOWSKI said the committee chair would know who recommended the change but it was customary to defer to the the nominee. LEWANDOWSKI thought there was likely more than one campaign person in the room. LEWANDOWSKI had daily interaction with the campaign after b6 leaving. primary contacts on the campaign were b7C SCHILLER, HICKS, SCAVINO and TRUMP. LEWANDOWSKI spent a fair amount of time with the transition team, including BANNON, BOSSIE, PRIEBUS, KUSHNER and TRUMP. LEWANDOWSKI didn't deal with the foreign policy team at all. LEWANDOWSKI never met or spoke to BOB FORESMAN. FORESMAN was recommended to the campaign through MARK BURNETT, co?producer of The Apprentice. The recommendation came in through GRAFF and LEWANDOWSKI does not know if the meeting with FORESMAN ever happened. LEWANDOWSKI believes TRUMP met with DANA ROHRABACHER early in the campaign because ROHRABACHER had family in New York and asked to visit TRUMP. TRUMP was hoping to get an endorsement but that didn't happen. LEWANDOWSKI was not in attendance for the meeting. LEWANDOWSKI knew CURT WELDON was a former congressman, but LEWANDOWSKI is not aware of any interaction he or TRUMP had with WELDON. LEWANDOWSKI b6 needy, like a bad penny who keeps showing up, but b7C harmless. I Iwould fly people around the world to have their attention. (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview ll/08 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 16 Of 17 LEWANDOWSKI recognized PETER SMITH from public reporting as the GOP operative who is now dead and claimed he interacted with the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI doesn't recall interacting with him or hearing about him from the campaign. LEWANDOWSKI does not recall meeting with b6 foreign outreach would have been coordinated through MANAFORT or DEARBORN. Ir Februarv 2016. KUSHNER wanted to hire his own person, to be the week before the New Hampshire primaries. LEWANDOWSKI convinced TRUMP not to do this and KUSHNER was mad b6 about TRUMP siding with LEWANDOWSKI. That was the only time TRUMP didn't 1370 listen to KUSHNER. the campaign in October 2016 and now works in the White House. TRUMP referred to HICKS and LEWANDOWSKI as "the kids" and TRUMP's children resented them for this. KUSHNER is naive to how campaigns and Washington, D.C. work and has limited ability to move an agenda through Congress. KUSHNER chose b6 PRIEBUS and and pushed for the firing of JAMES COMEY. I b7A b7C LEWANDOWSKI was referred to show document 49, which is an email in May 2016 from KUSHNER saying he didn't like seeing there was a Trump advisor at the FB meeting today. LEWANDOWSKI explained this related to a Facebook meeting in Silicon Valley demonstrating their technology. I I ha an unpaid senior campaign advisor, had a friend at Facebook, b7C who invited him to attend as a friend not as part of the campaign. KUSHNER didn't like this because he handled Silicon Valley contacts and digital media. LEWANDOWSKI has a long time. LEWANDOWSKI was asked about working with Cambridge Analytica. He explained that he rejected their services on three occasions. Their first outreach to the campaign was in February or March 2015, when LEWANDOWSKI declined. LEWANDOWSKI thought they were all smoke and mirrors. Public reporting indicates the campaign hired them later on. BRAD PARSCALE was able to do well with Cambrdige Analytica from the campaign. It was a good strategic decision for PARSCALE to befriend KUSHNER. PARSCALE was able to put $94 million of campaign money through his business. This went against beliefs but KUSHNER consented to it. LEWANDOWSKI didn't make campaign decisions to enrich his own life. PARSCALE did so by selling his ads to the campaign. FBK i?gm'12'7832?22572 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Corey Lewandowski interview 11/08 ContinuationofFD-3020f /2017 ,On 11/08/2017 ,Page 17 of 17 b6 b7A b7C FBK - 1 of 7 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 02/21/2018 (U) On 1/30/2018 SANDRA LUFF was interviewed by Special Agent Intelligence land Assistant Special Counsels Andrew Goldstein and Aaron Zelinsky at the Office of Special Counsel (SCO), 395 Street SW, Washington, DC 20024. Accompanying LUFF was her being advised of the identity of the interviewing officials and the nature of the interview, LUFF provided the following information: (U) LUFF currently works for I LUFF speaks infrequently with Attorney General Jefferson Sessions and the last time they spoke was in early December 2017 at a mutual acquaintance's retirement party. Before that, they probably saw each other a few months prior at another social gathering. LUFF worked for Senator Sessions for 8 years, the last 6 as his legislative director and the first 2 as his national security advisor. As legislative director, her job was to maintain watch on all legislation moving through congress and to assist Senator Sessions with offering solutions to bills or writing the bills themselves. LUFF and was offered a position with Senator John Warner working with the Armed Services Committee. Around the time Senator Warner retired in January 2009, Rick Dearborn, Sessions' chief of staff, offered LUFF a position with Sessions. (U) Sessions' office had teams for the various committees he served on, such as agriculture, budget, judiciary, defense, etc. Foreign policy fit under the defense team. LUFF sometimes traveled with Sessions on foreign trips and trips back to Alabama. The outreach and travel to foreign countries was conducted as part of congressional delegations (CODELS) or meetings with foreign dignitaries. (U) Sessions was the first senator to endorse Donald Trump for president. Sessions was later tapped in February or March 2016 to head Trump's national security team. LUFF was unfamiliar with how Sessions was chosen, but opined it was a dynamic, unofficial process. LUFF thought someone from the campaign told Sessions to handle the national security team. LUFF did not receive updates from the Trump campaign while she worked for Senator Sessions. Investigationon 01/30/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not b7E distributed outside your agency. 278}?21583 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Sandra Luff ,On 01/30/2018 Jag 2 of 7 (U) LUFF traveled with Sessions to the Republican National Convention (RNC) in 2016. At the time, Rick Dearborn had joined the Trump campaign, so LUFF filled some of his role and handled communications and other chief of staff duties. In February and March 2016 Dearborn was in Sessions' office a lot, but over time less and less as he worked on the campaign. Dearborn still had a foot in the office, but LUFF helped fill the void. (U) LUFF had no knowledge of the March 2016 Trump campaign foreign policy meeting. During the campaign, there was a firewall between the campaign and Sessions' senatorial staff. No one officially maintained this firewall but it was delineated and understood. The standard operating procedures (SOP) in these situations was to maintain a firewall, and the senatorial staff had some training on it, as well as training on the Hatch Act. Sessions did not say anything about having a future position in the Trump administration, because this is not how he thinks. (U) Sessions is a good writerl is not in the b5 b7C weeds on a lot of things and is not a micro?manager. Sessions liked to talk to people about issues because he learns by talking through things. LUFF did not hear Sessions ever talk about Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak outside of when they met at Sessions' office on 9/8/2016. (U) The meeting between Sessions and Kislyak at the RNC was not a "meeting" but a gaggle of people around Sessions. LUFF is confident Sessions did not know who Kislyak was during the RNC and would not have recognized him. LUFF also did not know what Kislyak looked like at the time. After the RNC, Kislyak wanted a meeting with Sessions. During the campaign period, Sessions had already met with about a dozen ambassadors, which also made sense given his national security focus on the Senate Armed Services Committee. LUFF had traveled with Sessions to Ukraine a few years prior to the campaign, but does not specifically recall him talking about Ukraine sanctions during the campaign period. Ukraine and Iran sanctions were hot topics among members of the Armed Services Committee at the time. (U) Sessions has a forward posture towards Russia. Back in 2013, Sessions was opposed to the START treaty because it did not allow the US to go after Russia's tactical nuclear weapons. More recently, having Russia in Syria was a bad situation. The whole Armed Services Committee was struggling with how to get through this period of time. LUFF sensed that Sessions thought better relations with Russia could help address these threats. This was an evolving thought for Sessions over time. Sessions was hawkish when first elected, but his views evolved over time on things like NATO. Sessions believed NATO should contribute more and asked where other nations could contribute to NATO. LUFF does not recall ever speaking with b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Sandra Luff ,On 01/30/2018 ,Page 3 of 7 Sessions about candidate Trump's pro?Russia, pro?Putin statements made to the media. If she said anything, she would have told Sessions to be careful. (U) On foreign policy, Sessions was hawkish and methodical about where the US should be engaged. LUFF did not recall Sessions having a position on sanctions against Russia for the invasion of Ukraine. (U) At the RNC, Sessions gave a speech at an event organized by the Heritage Foundation. It was an offsite event for ambassadors to attend. LUFF remembered this was an insane week and Sessions was overbooked. Sessions gave the speech in between two panels. Sessions may have had bullet points on what he would say in the speech. The speech lasted about 15 minutes and then Sessions took questions. Afterwards, LUFF needed to get Sessions out to another event, but a swarm of ambassadors tried to talk to him as he was leaving. It was a scrum about 10 to 12 people deep. All in all, Sessions was at the Heritage Foundation event for about an hour. LUFF was not next to Sessions the entire time. Sessions probably talked to about 6 to 12 ambassadors. LUFF knows in retrospect that Kislyak was in attendance. Kislyak may have asked a question during Sessions' speech, but LUFF was not sure if he identified himself when he asked the question. LUFF was not part of the scrum of people around Sessions at the end of the speech and does not know what was said between Sessions and Kislyak in this public setting. LUFF was unaware of any other meetings between Sessions and Kislyak at the RNC and was unaware of any other events for ambassadors at the RNC. (U) LUFF does not think Sessions had any role at the Center for the National Interest (CNI). CNI hosted candidate Trump's foreign policy speech in April 2016. Before that, LUFF was not aware of any relationship between Sessions and CNI. LUFF only knows of Dmitri Simes because of the foreign policy speech. Sessions has had meetings in the past with Henry Kissinger, some of them with staff and others not, and they likely discussed issues of the day. LUFF was not sure who else would have been invited to these meetings. LUFF found out about the foreign policy speech the day of or shortly before. She attended the event with Sessions. LUFF was not sure if Sessions had any role in drafting candidate Trump's speech, but Sessions was already on Trump's national security team at the time and some of the themes in the speech are similar to Sessions' views. LUFF was not sure who invited her to the event, but she was informed in passing and was not originally scheduled to attend. b6 b7C drove LUFF, Sessions, Dearborn, and Jared Kushner to the event at the Mayflower Hotel. Kushner had flown in the same day and arrived at Sessions' office, then they quickly went to the event. LUFF does not recall any conversation in the car and was not sure if there was FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Sandra Luff 3011 01/30/2018 4 of 7 Page any conversation about the content of the speech. As soon as they arrived, Kushner took off from their group. LUFF was unsure where he went. Luff recognized a lot of Sessions' philosophy in the speech. LUFF was not sure why the event had been moved to the Mayflower Hotel from the National Press Club. (U) There was a VIP reception at the Mayflower Hotel prior to the speech held in a room behind the main stage. Sessions was the only senator there, but LUFF also saw some House representatives there, maybe a dozen or so ambassadors, and a total of about 30 to 40 people in the VIP reception. Sessions was at the VIP reception for about 15 minutes and there were already people there when they arrived. Kushner was probably at the VIP reception, but LUFF was mostly focused on Sessions. After about 15 minutes, candidate Trump arrived with Stephen Miller and Corey Lewandowski. Paul Manafort was also in attendance. Zal Khalilzad was at the reception and also introduced Trump at the event. LUFF does not recall Kislyak at the VIP reception, but she does recall speaking with the ambassador of Singapore. LUFF was not with Sessions the entire time, and nobody was by his side the entire time. LUFF would not have recognized Kislyak at this point in time. LUFF was not sure if Sessions introduced anyone to Trump at the event. (U) LUFF met candidate Trump after the speech among a smaller group of people, probably Lewandowski, Miller, and Manafort. LUFF thinks she also met Simes either at the Mayflower or a subsequent event. During the speech, Sessions sat in the front row and LUFF sat about 6 to 7 rows behind him. LUFF was not sure who sat next to Sessions. Each row had about 20 to 25 seats in it. Sessions may have spoken to the press after the speech, then he and LUFF took a cab back to Capitol Hill. Sessions thought the speech had gone well. LUFF did not witness any side meetings at the event. LUFF attended the event for personal professional development. (U) LUFF attended the 5/23/2016 CNI Distinguished Service Awards dinner where Senator Tim Kaine was honored. LUFF was probably notified that Sessions was attending and she had to staff him. Sessions and b6 b7C There was a separate reception before the dinner, which was a smaller group of people than the main event. LUFF saw General Keith Kellogg and Kaine's staff at the reception. LUFF does not recall seeing any ambassadors at the reception. LUFF was not sure if Kislyak attended the event as she would not have known what he looked like at that time. LUFF sat at a staff table and Sessions sat at a table with Kaine and probably Simes. The event was a typical awards ceremony. Sessions was likely invited to attend because Kaine. Sessions and b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Sandra Luff 3011 01/30/2018 5 of 7 Page Kaine previously worked on a bipartisan group to address ISIS, and both men had done joint work on ship building. LUFF did not have any in depth conversations with Simes or Paul Saunders at the event. (U) LUFF is not aware of any relationship between CNI and Russia. LUFF is not aware of any relationship between the Trump campaign and Russia, and she has no knowledge of election meddling. LUFF does not recall ever discussing the Logan Act with Sessions. (U) Regarding the 9/8/2016 meeting with Kislyak in Sessions' office, the Russian Embassy originally reached out to schedule the meeting sometime in August 2016. The request was for Kislyak to come to Sessions' office. Sessions was out of the office for all of August, so the meeting was probably scheduled during the first week of September 2016 when he returned. It was not uncommon for Sessions to meet with ambassadors. During the Trump campaign period, Sessions met with the ambassadors of Hungary, Czech Republic, Italy, France, Germany, Poland, Singapore, Australia, United Kingdom, Romania, and a few Central and South American countries. Generally, LUFF thought Sessions had met with more ambassadors in the period after the RNC. Sessions learns best through talking to people, so he usually does not turn down meetings when offered. (U) LUFF has no recollection of a meeting invitation to Sessions from Kislyak or the Russian Embassy during the RNC, and is not aware of any other requests for meetings from the Russian Embassy between the RNC and the meeting on 9/8/2016. LUFF does not know who made the comments to Politico about an invitation extended at the RNC. LUFF did not make the comments to Politico. Sessions did not have a press team, so maybe it was someone from the Trump campaign that talked to Politico. (U) At the 9/8/2016 meeting, Kislyak invited Sessions to dinner at the Russian Embassy. LUFF advised Sessions he ought not do that. After listening to Kislyak at the 9/8/2016 meeting, LUFF thought he was an "old school KGB guy." Kislyak referred to himself as godless or a non-believer, and by the end of the meeting LUFF thought Kislyak was After 8 years working for Sessions, b6 LUFF believed Sessions took her advice seriously, and she advised him not b7C to go to the Russian Embassy to meet with Kislyak. LUFF does not recall Sessions' response but it was something like acknowledgement. Pete Landrum also attended the meeting with Kislyak. Landrum was Sessions' defense policy advisor and worked with the Armed Services Committee, and he would usually handle Sessions' meetings with ambassadors. Landrum may have also expressed LUFF took some notes during the meeting, and her attorney will provide them. Landrum probably took notes during the meeting. LUFF was not aware of any work FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Sandra Luff 3011 01/30/2018 ,Page 6 of 7 b6 product created for the meeting, either before or after. b7c who worked with Landrum, may have also been present for part of the meeting. LUFF was not sure if Kislyak had staff with him. There would have always been a Sessions? staffer in the room during the meeting, Sessions would not have been left alone. LUFF was present for the close of the meeting. That day 9/8/2016 was and that evening she traveled to Alabama. (U) The meeting on 9/8/2016 lasted about 20 to 25 minutes. At the time, the Russian military was taking aggressive actions against the US military, such as buzzing US planes, and Sessions said something to Kislyak about this. Kislyak said it was not true. Sessions and Kislyak mostly talked about national security, Syria, ISIS, and the Minsk agreement. Kislyak complained about NATO land forces in former Soviet bloc countries, such as the Baltic states. LUFF did not recall any discussion at this meeting about election meddling, sanctions, Trump, or the Trump campaign. If the Trump campaign came up, it was in passing. When Kislyak invited Sessions to dinner at the Russian Embassy, Sessions was non? committal. Sessions has attended meetings and events at embassies before, but usually not one?on?one meetings. (U) LUFF is not aware of any other meetings between Sessions and Kislyak, and is not aware of any requests for a meeting from Kislyak after 9/8 /2016. If a meeting request came through the senatorial office, LUFF would b6 have been aware of it. If a meeting request came through on b7C behalf of the Trump campaign, LUFF would not have been aware of it. Sessions would not have been staffed at "off campus" events related to the Trump campaign. Sessions' scheduler, would typically receive meeting requests, then she would check with Sessions' staff, and ultimately Sessions would make the final decision on whether to have a meeting or not. LUFF was not sure handled any scheduling for Trump campaign related events, but she may have spoken to JD Gordon. (U) Sessions may have known Dana Rohrabacher from the Armed Services Committee and they probably spoke on occasion. Sessions talked to Sam Clovis when up in New York, but LUFF did not recall Clovis ever coming to Sessions' senatorial office. Jared Kushner only came to Sessions' office one time briefly before the April 2016 Mayflower foreign policy speech. b6 b7A LUFF is not aware of Sessions b7C attending other CNI events nor of CNI hosting any foreign policy events for Sessions. If Sessions needed advice on a foreign policy issue, he FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Sandra Luff 3011 01/30/20l8 b7E ,Page 7 of 7 would ask LUFF or Landrum, and they would find the right person for Sessions to talk to. Sessions is a voracious reader and he had his own Rolodex of people he might call. (U) LUFF worked for Sessions for 8 years and LUFF believes he has the US's best interests at heart. If LUFF had ever witnessed anything wrong while working with Sessions she would have addressed it with Sessions or brought it to hi her authorities. Sessionsl b5 compartmentalizes things in his mind. For example, Sessions b7C probably characterized the 9/8/2016 meeting with Kislyak as Sessions acting in his role as a senator, not in his role with the Trump campaign. (U) LUFF spoke with the general counsel at I land due to her previous role working for Sessions they agreed to keep LUFF separate from I IThe only person LUFF told about meeting with the SCO was her bossl (U) NOTE: On 2/14/2018, LUFF's attorney provided by email to Assi stant Special Counsel Aaron Zelinsky LUFF's notes from the 9/8/2016 meeting with Sergey Kislyak. A copy of the email and the notes are attached in a 1A. F??i??v1278}258? - 1 of 5 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 12/06/2017 MATTHEW MILLER, date of birth social security b6 b7C account number was interviewed on October 25, 2017 at the U.S. Department of Labor, 200 Constitution Avenue Northwest, Washington, D.C. 20210. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, MILLER provided the following information: MILLER started off on the TRUMP presidential campaign as a state director in the primaries. Then he became the National Director of Vets for Trump. At the Republican National Convention (Convention), there were three GOP Platform buckets economic, social and national defense. J.D. GORDON and MILLER were involved in the national defense committee meetings with a third campaign individual who was an attorney serving as the parliamentary expert but MILLER can not recall that individual's name. GORDON was the head campaign representative and MILLER was the second. was b5 the co?chair. b7C Numerous amendments were proposed at the committee meeting MILLER was in. One of them was presented by DIANA DENMAN, year old woman who b5 was very supportive of freedom fighters and worked in movies with RONALD b7C REAGAN. DENMAN's amendment involved committing the U.S. to defend Ukraine with all means possible if Russia attacked. Some of the amendments passed and others were defeated but the Ukraine amendment was tabled until later. The tabling of this amendment during that meeting is the first time MILLER discussed the topic of the amendment. MILLER doesn't recall if GORDON talked to the chairman about tabling the amendment. It was as non?nefarious as it comes since the NATO mentality was if you attack one you attack all and it shouldn't just fall on the U.S. to defend Ukraine. MILLER didn't think it made sense for the platform to lock the president in to making such a significant commitment to defend Ukraine. GORDON talked to DENMAN about lightening the amendment and eventually the lightened version passed the vote. Investigationon 10/25/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 F?l I I 11/09/2017 1e ate drafted b7 by I I b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Matthew Miller ,011 10/25/2017 2 of 5 Page MILLER recalls GORDON contacting one of the captains via phone regarding the tabling of the amendment but does not recall GORDON contacting anyone else on the phone. MILLER can not recall who the captain was but they were not from the campaign. The captains were covering various sub?committees. MILLER thinks GORDON used his personal phone to call the captains and he called them on three to four amendments. The captains came to the room after the amendment was tabled. MILLER doesn't know if GORDON was on the phone with somebody from New York. MILLER and GORDON talked to DENMAN about the amendment. MILLER described DENMAN as grandmotherly. The discussion wasn't confrontational and they talked for a few minutes. DENMAN was hesitant about the changes but didn't object. JOHN MASHBURN went through all the amendments prior to the committee meeting. There may have been people helping him but MILLER wasn't privy to that. The Ukraine amendment had not been previously discussed with MILLER but during the meeting GORDON asked MILLER to have it tabled. GORDON and MASHBURN probably knew about it ahead of time. The campaign was there to target amendments that may be troublesome. MILLER does not recall DEARBORN and MASHBURN being in the meeting. MILLER may have called MASHBURN to send someone to the meeting but MILLER is not certain. MILLER was shown a memo from RICK DEARBORN summarizing the sequence of events relating to the Ukraine amendment. The memo is attached to this document. MILLER was asked if he thought the summary was an accurate representation of the events. He agreed that most of the events were accurate but wanted to clarify some of the items. In reference to a statement about MILLER MILLER said he wouldn't b6 necessarily consider it a briefing since he simply table b7C the amendment which probably took no longer than ten seconds. Additionally he wasn't sure what was meant about the campaign assisting with compromising language since he didn't think the campaign was asked to draft the language. The change in language didn't come from the campaign and MILLER doesn't recall others in the meeting objecting to the language. The committee meeting was only part of developing the platform. The committee meeting was the first part. The second part was the full committee meeting, where DENMAN re?introduced her amendment and it was defeated again. The campaign wasn't involved in the full committee and didn't have a vote. FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Matthew Miller 3011 10/25/2017 ,Page 3 of 5 MILLER was asked about TRUMP's stance on Ukraine and whether the amendment changes lined up with his stance. MILLER said he relied on GORDON's statements that changes to the amendment lined up with TRUMP's beliefs since GORDON was the policy guy. MILLER also thought this consistent with what MILLER heard in New York. MILLER was not sure if MANAEORT or GATES knew the details of the amendment and changes to it. MANAEORT may have known about it from MASHBURN. MILLER was shown the attached email referring to an NPR transcript with quotes from DENMAN andl I MILLER said he was surprised about he the press response to the amendment. MILLER was contacted by the press b7C but only spoke to Rolling Stone off the record. MILLER did not know who but based on the NPR transcript he a spin on the events by indicating DENMAN was "steamrolled." MILLER was asked about a phone call with DENMAN prior to the RNC platform meeting. MILLER said they were asked to call all the delegates and introduce themselves. MILLER contacted the delegates from Texas and Utah, which included DENMAN and one other Texas delegate whose name MILLER could not recall. DENMAN made MILLER send her proof of who he was. MILLER largely worked withI Iwhen b6 MILLER was running Veterans for TRUMP. MILLER usually had phone contact b7C to three times per week. based out of Trump Tower. When MILLER was the Director for and West Virginia, MILLER reported to RICK GATES and I I Before that, MILLER worked forI when MANAEORT, GATES andl Icame on to the campaign. MILLER met MANAFORT once in a hotel lobby in Cleveland. MANAFORT told MILLER that he had done great work with the veterans. MILLER saw GATES a couple times. MILLER did veterans outreach for the Inaugural Committee and GATES was the Deputy Chairman of the committee. MILLER would make arrangements for military folks, such as Medal of Honor recipients, attending the events. For the period from March to November 2016, MILLER was mostly on the road for Veterans for Trump. He was in Trump Tower five to six times, for about a day or two each time. MILLER does not remember discussions of Russia and is not aware of any Russian ties to the campaign. MILLER was paid per month by the campaign. His b5 travel and expenses were also paid by the campaign. MILLER never did any b7C FBK 19w12'7832-2692 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Matthew Miller ,On lO/25/20l7 Jag 4 of 5 overseas travel for the campaign. He worked for the campaign from mid? March to November 22. Then he was hired to work on the transition team in New York for about a month before working on the Inaugural Committee. MILLER was paid for these positions as well. During the transition team, MILLER worked forl I who was serving as b6 b7C I I During that time, MILLER arranged meetings with veterans, police and first responder organizations. During the Inaugural Committee, MILLER served under MILLER was then hired to work for the Department of Veterans Affairs, underl land now holds an appointee position at the b5 b7C Department of Labor as the head of veterans matters, focused on employing veterans who have completed their military career. DEARBORN asked MILLER to take the position at Department of Labor. MILLER has known DEARBORN for 25 years, through the Heritage Foundation. MILLER never discussed the Russia investigation with DEARBORN. MILLER was asked who on the campaign handled foreign policy. MILLER said GORDON and MASHBURN were the policy guys and explained it was a skeletal crew. MILLER had no knowledge of JEFF involvement in the campaign. MILLER put together a veterans briefing for MICHAEL and talked to him regarding a rally in Selma, North Carolina. JARED KUSHNER attended the rally. MILLER knew because MILLER had spent 34 months as a Department of Defense civilian in Afghanistan. MILLER described how setup a call between ASHRAF GHANI, the president of AFGHANISTAN, and TRUMP in December 2016 utilizing an ambassador contact had in Afghanistan. MILLER never talked to MICHAEL about Russia. MILLER had no knowledge of any meetings involving Russian Ambassador SERGEY KISLYAK. MILLER described SAM CLOVIS as the unofficial policy adviser. MILLER worked with CLOVIS on veterans issues. Their interactions centered around answering questionnaires regarding campaign preferences related to veterans issues. MILLER was unable to provide information about GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS and CARTER PAGE. FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Matthew Miller ,011 10/25/2017 5 of 5 Page During his time on the campaign, MILLER utilized his campaign email account, which he believed to be b6 b7C FBK igw12'7832?2694 IUD-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1 C>f 8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/07/2018 Paul J. Manafort, date of was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. The interviewers were FBI Special Agentsl Assistant Special Counsels (ASC) Jeannie S. Rhee, Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres; and Assistant United States Present representing Manafort were attorneys Richard Westling, Thomas Zehnle and Kevin Downing and FBI Manafort of his rights. Manafort stated that he understood his rights and that he was willing to answer questions. Manafort signed a Advise of Rights. FBI Manafort that it was a b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FDGOZd?09'11'2018 ,On 09/11/2018 4 Of 8 interpreters. The interpreter had a heavy accent that was difficult to understand. Manafort did not bring a pen and paper or laptop so he took notes on his iPhone. The female began the meeting by talking about the crimes that Browder committed. Manafort's notes are in regard to her statements about Browder. She pitched that Trump should call for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act. She said that the Act hurt U.S./Russia relations. In exchange, she offered to push to re?open adoptions in Russia to Americans. Manafort believes that Kushner and Trump, Jr. had no idea what she was talking about. Kushner took a fake call from his assistant and left. Manafort does not recall any discussion of Hillary Clinton during the meeting. No one at the meeting asked about the Hillary dirt. The meeting lasted about half an hour. After the meeting, Trump, Jr. said it was a waste of time, but no one talked about why they had not heard about the Hillary dirt. Manafort does not know whether Trump, Jr. told his father about the meeting before or after it happened. Manafort does not believe that Trump, Jr. told Trump. Trump, Jr. did not bring things to his father when they were uncertain. Manafort saw Trump in Trump Tower that day. Manafort believes Trump would have asked Manafort about the meeting if he knew about it. Manafort does not know the strength of the relationship between the Agalarovs and Trump. Manafort does not know whether the June 9 meeting request came from the Kremlin. On August 2, 2016, Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik met at the Havana Room in New York City. Kilimnik had communicated via e?mail to Manafort that he had a message from Viktor Yanukovych that he needed to convey in person. Manafort did not know the substance of the message until Kilimnik arrived. Kilimnik talked about a peace plan that would create a semi? autonomous region in Eastern Ukraine. Yanukovych would get elected to head the Eastern Ukraine and then reunite the country as its leader. Kilimnik talked for about fifteen minutes. Manafort told Kilimnik that the idea was crazy and the discussion ended. Manafort did not trust Yanukovych after Yanukovych put off signing the Association Agreement and later fled to Russia. Manafort believes that if he agreed to the plan then Kilimnik would have next asked Manafort to develop a strategy for implementing it. Kilimnik would also have undoubtedly asked Manafort to get Trump to come out in favor of the plan. Finally, Yanukovych would have expected Manafort to use his connections in Europe and the Ukraine to support the plan. Manafort reviewed a 07/29/2016 e?mail from Kilimnik wherein Kilimnik wrote to Manafort that "[Kilimnik] met with the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar several years ago." The guy is Yanukovych. Manafort has not had direct contact with Yanukovych since UNCLASSIFIED /-F-eae- 15 (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Manafort ContinuationofFD-SOZof 09-11-2018 3011 09/11/2018 ,Page 5 Of 8 2014. Kilimnik also wrote that had several important messages from him to you." Kilimnik's messages from Yanukovych all revolved around the peace plan. Kilimnik did not discuss any other topics. Kilimnik did not mention anyone else with which the plan was discussed. Kilimnik did not say that it had been discussed with any of the oligarchs. Manafort believes the message was "urgent" only because it would benefit Yanukovych. Manafort does not know any other reason that the message was urgent. Manafort does not recall Kilimnik asking Manafort to reconsider the peace plan after their August 2 meeting. Rick Gates showed up at the Havana Room about ten or fifteen minutes after Manafort. Gates may not have been there for the Yanukovych peace plan discussion. After Kilimnik delivered Yanukovych's message, Kilimnik updated Manafort on what was happening with Serhiy Lyovochkin, Rinat Akhmetov and their other friends in Kyiv. Manafort told Kilimnik the state of the Trump Campaign and Manafort's plan to win, including poll data and messaging. Manafort normally would have talked about which coalitions were necessary to win the election. Manafort did not share information with Kilimnik which Manafort did not otherwise share publicly. During the time that Manafort was Chairperson of Trump's Campaign, Kilimnik was working for Manafortl I I Manafort did not communicate directly with Deripaska. Instead, Manafort communicated with Kilimnik, who communicated with Victor Boyarkin, who worked for Deripaska. When talking with Kilimnik during this time, Manafort would have naturally discussed the U. S. election. Manafort offered, through Kilimnik, to brief Deripaska on the Trump Campaign. The oligarchs wanted intel on the Trump Campaign. Kilimnik left the Havana Room meeting first. Manafort and Gates then left together. The media had been tracking Manafort so he did not want them asking why he was meeting with Kilimnik. Manafort's concern was more that Kilimnik was Ukrainian than that he was Russian. Manafort does not believe that Kilimnik is a spy for the Russian government. Kilimnik translated during meetings between Yanukovych and Manafort wherein delicate matters were discussed. Manafort originally got involved in the Ukraine in 2005 to help Akhmetov protect his assets. Deripaska had introduced Manafort to Akhmetov. In Ukraine, when you win political power then you seize shares in economic assets. Akhmetov and the Party of Regions had lost the election so Akhmetov wanted to protect his assets. In time, Akhmetov asked Manafort if Manafort could help the Party of Regions gain b7A b7E b7A b6 b7C UNCLASSIFIED F9939 15 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/11/2018 6 Of 8 power. Akhmetov set up meetings between Manafort and possible candidates for the Presidency. The U.S. and Europe supported Yulia Tymoshenko. Manafort was looking for the most Western?leaning candidate in the Party of Regions. Manafort met Yanukovych. Manafort initially opposed Yanukovych because Yanukovych had been tainted by the 2004 elections. Over time, however, Manafort came to believe that Yanukovych had the willingness and strength to commit to join Europe. Manafort reviewed a 12/08/2016 e?mail that b5 b7C b7E began "[h]ad a meeting with BG today. He asked me to pass the following to you." BG is Yanukovych. Kilimnik would not have been addressing the information in this e?mail to anyone but Manafort. After reading point 1, Manafort believed that he had seen this e?mail. After continuing to read, Manafort does not believe that he saw the rest of the e? mail. Nevertheless, the content of the rest of the e?mail is what Kilimnik told Manafort during their Havana Room meeting. did not reach out to Manafort. Manafort was not aware that Carter Page was authorized to speak for Trump. Manafort did not know who Page was until the dossier came out in the press. At the time of this e?mail, in December 2016, Manafort was not willing to do any work on behalf of the Ukraine including Kilimnik's request in point 6. Manafort reviewed a 03/30/2016 e?mail from Gates to Kilimnik with an attached press release about Manafort working on the Trump Campaign and memos to four individuals. OVD is Oleg Deripaska. BVK is Borys Kolesnikov. RA is Rinat Akhmetov. SL is Serhiy Lyovochkin. Manafort sent the memo to show them that he was still in the game in the U. S. Manafort knew that these men would see value in that. Manafort had been trying to collect money from all of them except Deripaska. Manafort briefed Trump on his work in the Ukraine. Manafort would have explained the Tymoshenko situation and why Yanukovych fled to Russia. Manafort wanted Trump prepared in case Manafort's Ukraine work or Deripaska issues popped up. Manafort thought this may happen because some Republicans had been on the other side of the Ukraine issue. Manafort did not go into detail because Trump was not interested. When information about Manafort's work in the Ukraine came out in the press, Trump was b6 upset. Manafort the press started coming out. b7C Manafort reviewed again the "black caviar" e?mail. "Our biggest interest" is a solution to the Pericles issue. If Trump won, Deripaska would have wanted to use Manafort to advance whatever interests Deripaska had in the U.S. and elsewhere. b7A Manafort never gave Deripaska a private briefing. Manafort was willing to brief Deripaska on strategic decisions such as why Trump selected Mike Pence as a Vice?Presidential running mate. UNCLASSIFIED /-F-ege FBK Max:138}? 17 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FDGOZd?09'11'2018 ,On 09/11/2018 7 Of 8 In January 2017, Manafort met Georgy Oganov in Madrid. Oganov represented Deripaska. Originally, Oganov was supposed to meet Manafort?s lawyer, Iin Canada. Kilimnik must have communicated b6 Oganov's name to Manafort. Manafort traveled to Madrid for Telefonica b7C business that he had withl Manafort and Oganov had a one? hour breakfast meeting with no one else present. Oganov said that Manafort needed to meet Deripaska in person to finally resolve the Pericles matter. Manafort agreed but said he would not travel to the Ukraine or Russia for the meeting. Manafort never heard from Oganov again. Manafort does not know why a new lawsuit was filed against him last year, purportedly by Deripaska, or why it has been held in abeyance. Manafort was completely truthful during his deposition in the earlier case including his testimony regarding b7A Manafort reviewed a January 15, 2017 e?mail from Manafort to KT McFarland regarding "Get Together." Manafort's "important information" regarded Cuba. Manafort wanted to discuss Trump's policy position on b6 Cuba. who had been part of opening Cuba during the Obama b7 Administration, arranged a meeting between Manafort and Castro's son in Havana, Cuba. Cuba was not a client but Manafort saw an opportunity. Manafort never had a meeting with McFarland. Manafort never followed up with anyone else in the Administration. Manafort contacted McFarland because they had a good relationship and it was easier than contacting Michael Manafort returned to Madrid shortly after his January 2017 trip. Manafort followed up on Telefonica business. The trip was partly social along. Manafort went on to Dubai. Manafort did he not meet with Oganov or Kilimnik during this second trip. b7C Manafort met Kilimnik and Lyovochkin at the Westin hotel in Washington, D.C. around the time of Trump's inauguration. They talked about happenings in Ukraine. Manafort would probably have talked about the Trump Administration. Manafort asked Lyovochkin about money. Lyovochkin said that Akhmetov owed Manafort the money for the Opposition Bloc work. Kilimnik and Lyovochkin did not come to Washington, D.C. to see UNCLASSIFIED Hose 18 b6 (Rev 05-08-10) b7C Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FDGOZd?09'11'2018 ,On 09/11/2018 8 Of 8 Manafort. Manafort does not know any other meetings that they had scheduled while they were in the U.S. Lyovochkin did not ask to meet with anyone in the Administration. The Advice of Rights, Letter Agreement, Manafort's proffer statement and the documents reviewed by Manafort will be maintained in the l?A section of this casefile. UNCLASSIFIED /-pese- FBK Max:138}? 1% - 1 of 7 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/07/2018 Paul J. Manafort, date of was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. The interviewers were FBI Special AgentsI I Assistant Special Counsels (ASC) Jeannie S. Rhee, Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres; and Assistant United States Present representing Manafort were attorneys Richard Westling, Thomas Zehnle and Kevin Downing and FBI advised Manafort of his rights. Manafort stated that he understood his rights and that he was willing to answer questions. Manafort signed a Advise of Rights. ASC Weissmann reviewed the terms of a letter setting forth the agreement upon which Manafort made himself available for interview. Manafort, Downing and ASC Weissmann initialed the letter agreement. After being advised of the identities of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Manafort provided the following information: Manafort knew that if Trump got elected, there would be opportunities for him to make money. After Trump was elected, Manafort traveled to the Middle East, Cuba, Korea, Japan and China where he got paid to explain what a Trump presidency would be like. In mid?2017, a Ukrainian candidate for President,I approached Manafort about political consulting. Manafort asked Konstantin Kilimnik to track down documents related to the indictments against Manafort, including contracts and ECFMU brochures. Manafort and Kilimnik communicated using applications such as Viber, Signal, WhatsApp and others. They started using the applications over a concern that people in the Ukraine and Russia were hacking their accounts. I After he was indicted, Manafort purchased a "pay" phone to talk with Kilimnik and Gates. The pay phone did not have any applications on it. About six months ago, Manafort got a cellphoneI I In September or October 2017, a BBC reporter, First Name Unknown (FNU) Woods, called Manafort on his I I orI Lphone number. I [3996' Investigationon 09/12/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# I I Datedrafted 09/17/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not distributed outside your agency. 278)?272 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/12/2018 2 Of 7 Manafort knew Congressman Rohrabacher from their days working for Reagan. Manafort had no contact with Rohrabacher for several years before their 2013 meeting. Manafort to set up the meeting b5 because Rohrabacher had taken over the subcommittee on Russia and the b7C Ukraine. At the meeting, they spent 20%?30% of the time talking about Reagan. The rest of the time, they talked about Putin and Russia. Manafort did not want Rohrabacher to send any signals to Putin that Russia's meddling in the Ukraine was acceptable. The signal may have undermined Ukraine's movement towards Europe. Manafort surely would have told Rohrabacher that Manafort worked for Yanukovych. that Manafort worked for Yanukovych. Manafort not discuss whether the meeting triggered Foreign Agents Registration Act's (FARA) reporting requirements. Manafort does not recall but is sure that he would have reported the meeting back to Yanukovych. Manafort did not talk 2016 or 2017. Manafort has not b5 talked withl Isince their Ukraine work came out in the news. Manafort b7A andI Iwere good friends. They met about once a month in the b7C 20005.] I In 2016, Manafort asked Gates to talk witm I I Gates reported back to Manafort. At the time, Manafort believed that the ECFMU was legitimate and wanted to know ifl felt differently. The ECFMU was not created by or with Manafort's knowledge. Manafort now understands that he incorrectly viewed the ECFMU's role. Manafort and Gates had a significant role in passing the Party of Regions instructions on I Iknew that Manafort and Gates were giving direction on behalf of the Party of Regions. The ECFMU personnel did not understand U.S. politics. Manafort directed activities in the U.S. because he did not want the ECFMU freelancing and causing problems. The roll?out of the Skadden Report was supposed to educate the international media in Kyiv, Europe and the U.S. Greg Craig's main role was going to be in Kyiv. Unbeknownst to Manafort, Craig decided that he would not meet with media stakeholders. In late August or early September 2012, Manafort, Craig and others met at the Harvard Club in New York to finalize the planned roll?out of the Report. Yanukovych and Serhiy Lyovochkin were in New York for U.N. week. Gates and Jonathan Hawker made Manafort aware before the Harvard Club meeting that Craig was resisting talking to the media. Part of the reason for the Harvard Club meeting was F3?19?v1278y?721 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ContinuationofFD-SOZof 09'12'2018 ,011 09/12/2018 ,Page 3 Of 7 to convince Craig to help with the media rollout. Craig said he was not doing any media but he would get the Report to a New York Times reporter that he knew. The goal was to get the report out before the October elections to shape the international view of the elections. Lyovochkin, however, did not want to publish the Report because it was not a glowing review. Manafort thought the Report was balanced but it was not what the client wanted or expected. Finally, in December, Lyovochkin accepted the Report. Craig got the Report to Sanger at the New York Times. Craig explained the Report to several reporters that called him. Craig told Manafort that Craig took calls from reporters but that he did not make any calls this distinction was important to Craig. The Ukrainian Government was originally supposed to fund the Skadden Report. With the high price tag, the procurement process could not have been completed and the Report issued before the elections. The Ministry of Justice therefore approved a third party paying for the Report in order to avoid the procurement process. The Ministry of Justice paid a small amount andI I a Ukrainian oligarch, paid the remainder. b6 b7C Manafort reviewed a 07/29/2016 e?mail wherein Kilimnik wrote to Manafort that "[Kilimnik] met with the guy who gave you your biggest black caviar jar several years ago." Manafort and Yanukovych had lunch to celebrate their success in the 2010 election. After lunch, Yanukovych gave Manafort a large jar of black cavier that was worth about $30,000 to $40,000. b6 b7C I I Manafort andI Isocialized but had no business dealings. I Manafort andI Ithen had no contact until sometime around 2010. Iso Manafort asked Gates to hire I Manafort directedI Ito lobby on behalf of the Ukraine, including lobbying against the Durbin resolution. Manafort does not recall what that lobbying entailed. In setup a meeting between Manafort, on behalf of the b6 Campaign, and the head Manafort did not know that Gates andI I were working together on other projects. In early 2018, Manafort and I Italked as friends. The last time they talked was in April or May 2018. UNCLASSIFIED #39140 FBK b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/12/2018 4 Of 7 b6 b7C Itried to get Manafort involved with other clients. Manafort did not askl Ito do anything on Manafort's behalf. Manafort did not ask] I b6 b7C Manafort and Roger Stone are friends. They had been in and out of each other's lives but re-engaged with the Trump Campaign. I I ha b7A b7C Manafort thought Yanukovych's request, delivered by Kilimnik at the August 2, 2016 meeting, was outrageous. Yanukovych had not contacted Manafort since he fled and, now that Manafort was the Trump Campaign Chair, Yanukovych asked for something. Yanukovych thought that, as Campaign Chairman, Manafort could convince Trump to agree to the peace plan. Manafort told Kilimnik that Manafort would not participate in Yanukovych's plan. Rinat Akhmetov was desperate for peace because his businesses were in the occupied zone and suffering. Yanukovych was located in Russia. Kilimnik ran the plan by someone in the Russian government for approval. At least, Manafort believes that Kilimnik would have run the plan by someone in the Russian government for approval. During the meeting, Kilimnik focused on the plan. Kilimnik did not need to state the obvious that is, Manafort could benefit financially. At the time of the meeting, Manafort was not earning any money. Manafort reviewed a 12/08/2016 e?mail that b7E began "[h]ad a meeting with BC today. He asked me to pass the following to you." Manafort does not know why the plan came up again in December when Manafort had made clear to Kilimnik in August that he would not support it. Possibly, the media coverage of Carter Page in Russia prompted Yanukovych to raise the issue with Kilimnik or Yanukovych was frustrated that he was not getting his hands into the Trump Administration like other people. Manafort does not recall responding to Kilimnik about the e? mail. Manafort never agreed to work for the Ukraine but always left the UNCLASSIFIED A1999- b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/12/2018 Jag 5 Of 7 door open when talking with Kilimnik. Manafort did not intend to work in the Trump Administration. Manafort always felt that he could make money working for the Administration from the outside. Manafort had valuable knowledge of Trump and his Administration. In the Middle East, Manafort talked with the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia about the Trump Administration's view of their conflict with Qatar and Iran. In about January 2017, Kilimnik told Manafort that Cohen put a Ukraine peace plan on Trump's desk. Manafort does not know who was behind the Cohen peace plan. Manafort told Kilimnik that the peace plan would not go anywhere. When Manafort and Kilimnik last discussed the peace plan in March or April 2017, they discussed who would control the peace plan rather than what the plan was. After Manafort left the campaign, he kept in regular contact with only Gates. Manafort had occasional contact with Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, Tony Fabrizio and Brad Parscale. b7E Manafort reviewed text messages from Kilimnik to Manafort stating, in part, that understands where you can potentially come and is working with his boss to get a meeting organized. My understanding is that it will be about recreating old friendship and talking about global politics, not about money or Pericles." is Victor Boyarkin. Kilimnik's message is wrong because the meeting between Manafort and Georgy Oganov was about the Pericles matter. I IManafort's attorney, set up the meeting b5 with Oganov in Madrid. I Isaid the meeting could finally resolve the b7C matter. With regard to Deripaska's recent lawsuit, Manafort suspected that Deripaska brought the suit to gain favor with the U.S. Government while it was investigating Manafort. Manafort traveled to Madrid in February 2017. Manafort has no memory of meeting Kilimnik in Madrid. Agents showed Manafort flight records of Kilimnik traveling from Moscow to Madrid on 02/26/2017 and returning to Moscow on 02/27/2017. Manafort does not recall meeting Kilimnik, but if Kilimnik traveled to Madrid, then it was to meet with Manafort. After Madrid, Manafort traveled to Dubai for 24 hours before going to China. Michael Caputo announced his Go Fund Me legal fund on Hannity and immediately got donations. Manafort wanted to do the same thing. Manafort could not announce his legal fund on television because UNCLASSIFIED FBK ism-12m}-2724 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/12/2018 6 Of 7 of the court's gag order. b5 worked on starting up the account. Manafort does not believe that b7C it ever went live. Manafort two potential clients in spring 2017 Dostum b5 and Kabila. Dostum was an Afghan Vice?President that fled Afghanistan and b7C wanted backing from the U.S. Government to return. Kabila's term had expired as Congolese president but he wanted to stay in power. Manafort met with representatives of both potential clients. Manafort declined to work for either client. Kilimnik the ECFMU only to get b6 documents. Manafort did not ask Kilimnik to send her a message or discuss b7C her possible testimony. Manafort did not direct or suggest that Kilimnik have Oleg Voloshyn reach out tol I Manafort was not aware that Voloshyn reached out to I Manafort did not try to persuade Cindy LaPorta, Philip Ayliff or Heather Washkuhn not to testify nor did he try to influence their testimony. In January or February 2018, Manafort dissuade b6 Gates from accepting a plea agreement. Manafort and Gates regularly b7A discussed their case. Manafort and Gates discussed the possibility of a b7C Presidential pardon. Manafort did not intentionally ask Gates to lie to investigators. Manafort talked with Gates while Gates was proffering to the Special Counsel's Office. Gates had, however, denied to Manafort that he was proffering. The Republican National Committee raised money for a defense fund. Manafort asked John Dowd if Manafort and Gates were eligible for any of the money. Dowd said yes. When Manafort told Gates, Gates said Manafort should have asked Dowd about a pardon. Manafort has not had any conversations with anyone from the White House, or with access to the White House, about a pardon. Manafort has no commitment from the White House regarding a pardon. Manafort is not aware of any violations of the court's gag order. Jason Maloni, Manafort's public relations agent, has been reactive to the press. Manafort has not talked to Maloni since June 2018. Manafort talked with Hannity as a friend, not because he expected Hannity to use the information during his show. Manafort felt Hannity was the only person he could talk to about his situation. Manafort understands that Hannity may have used the information from their conversations during his show. Manafort did not receive any information regarding his investigation, directly or indirectly, from anyone in the Department of Justice or law enforcement. UNCLASSIFIED b7A (Rev? 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ContinuationofFD-SOZof 09'12'2018 ,011 09/12/2018 ,Page 7 Of 7 The Advice of Rights, Letter Agreement and the documents reviewed by Manafort will be maintained in the l?A section of this casefile. UNCLASSIFIED /-F-ese- FBK ism-1273}-2725 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 8- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/07/2018 Paul J. Manafort, date of was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. The interviewers were FBI Special Agents I FBI Forensic AccountantI I and Assistant Special Counsels (ASC) Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present representing Manafort were attorneys Richard Westling, Thomas Zehnle and Kevin Downing and paralegal[::] After being advised of the identities of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Manafort provided the following information: Manafort used applications to communicate, typically at the recommendation of Rick Gates. Manafort does not recall his usernames or passwords for the applications. I I Manafort will work with his counsel to prepare a list of usernames and passwords for his communication accounts. Manafort primarily used two iPhones to communicate. The phones were assigned telephone numbers Manafort purchased a pay?as?you?go Boost phone last year. Manafort does not recall its assigned number. Manafort had WhatsApp on hisI I cellphones. Manafort used WhatsApp to communicate with people in Europe. At Gates's suggestion, Manafort downloaded Telegram but he never used it. Manafort used Wickr for communications with people in the Middle East. Manafort recently used Signal to communicate with Konstantin Kilimnik. Manafort used Threema to communicate individuals in China. Manafort did not recall whether he used Threema to communicate with Gates. Manafort used Skype for personal communications with his family members. Manafort used Snapchat only for social networking. Manafort used Viber in Ukraine. Manafort also used Viber for communications related to the Trump Campaign. Manafort used Hushmail to communicate with Kilimnik and Gates. Manafort used WeChat to communicate with people in China. Manafort used Voxer, but only for a couple of days in 2017. Zello sounds familiar but Manafort does not recall using it. Investigationon 09/20/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# I Datedrafted 09/20/2018 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agencyb7A b7C b7E b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) 1375: Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?09-20-2018 ,On 09/20/2018 2 of 8 b7E Manafort used iPads at his home for various home?automation functions. He did not use these iPads to communicate. Manafort had one iPad in Alexandria that he used when traveling abroad. Manafort had a MacAir laptop that is currently in the possession of his attorney. b7E during the July 2017 search of his home. Manafort had desktop computers and portable flash drives in his Florida, New York City and Bridgehampton homes. Manafort has not deleted any materials from these devices since the July 2017 search. Manafort and his attorneys will provide investigators with Manafort's devices. Manafort reviewed a document captioned "Paul Manafort, Income by Year, 2005?2015." Cindy LaPorta, his accountant at KWC, created the document. Manafort did not have any input into its creation. Manafort first worked in Ukraine in 2005. Manafort worked for Rinat Akhmetov's company, Systems Capital Management (SCM). Rick Davis, Manafort's business partner, was friends withl b6 b7C introduced Davis to Oleg Deripaska. Around 2003, Davis was the Davis Manafort's point of contact for Deripaska. Manafort was then introduced to Deripaska and eventually took over as client manager. Deripaska introduced Manafort to Akhmetov. b7A Manafort met the liberal elites in Russia. Manafort never visited the Kremlin. Until 2008, Deripaska saw himself as the future after Putin. I I In 2005, the Party of Regions had two factions. Akhmetov and Borys Kolesnikov ran one faction while Serhiy Lyovochkin ran the other faction. For Manafort, Gates handled the billings and Kilimnik handled the collections. UNCLASSIFIED /-EeUe- b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ,On 09/20/2018 ,Page 3 of 8 Among the receipts listed for 2006, the first two lines are work for the Party of Regions and the rest of the lines are work for Deripaska. A Russian Non?Governmental Organization was set up to I b7A I The Russian NGO ended up focusing on Russian strategy and merged into the Green Party. In the receipts listed for 2007 is Presidential Campaign." Manafort was paid to consult on Kypros campaign for President of Cyprus. was Deripaska's lawyer. Several of the 2008 receipts are under Pericles Emerging Markets (Pericles) and/or Management Fees. Lawyers for Pegasus Capital Advisors (Pegasus), a U.S.?based investment fund, set up Pericles. I b5 b7A b7C I Manafort and Davis planned to transition out of political consulting and work full?time managing the investment fund. b7A Manafort does not recall why Davis Manafort Partners, Inc., John Hannah, LLC and Jesand Investment Corp were paid management fees from Pericles in 2008. The receipts for EVO Holdings may also have been Pericles management fees. Manafort believes thatl I b4 UNCLASSIFIED H1939 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?09-20-2018 ,On 09/20/2018 4 Of 8 The 2008 receipts for LOAV, Ltd. were consulting fees for work for Deripaska. Manafort and Davis transferred part of these fees to a 501(c) (4) Political Action Committee. LOAV, Ltd. is a U.S. investment fund set up the late 1990s. Manafort gotl I b6 to invest $5 million to $10 million in the fund, althoughl Ihad b7c promised $50 million. I The b6 listed 2008 receipts are not for work performed for the McCain b7C campaign. Manafort does not know why the line reads "Reimbursed Campaign Expenditures." Jesand Investment Corp is for Manafort's and Gates's personal investments. All of the money that came in during 2008 came from either: (1) consulting fees for work in Ukraine; (2) consulting fees from Deripaska for work in Russia with the Green Party or work in other countries where Deripaska had assets; or (3) management fees for Pericles (paid by Deripaska). Any payment in any year that came into LOAV, EVO or Jesand came from Deripaska. Manafort's relationship with Deripaska and work for the Green Party (paid through Russian NGO) ended in 2009. Manafort does not know why there are payments from Deripaska in 2010. The K.C. Presidential Campaign was over so the payments listed under that heading must have been for other work. In 2010, the "bonus" was from Yanukovych. Manafort does not know where the funds for the bonus came from. In 2011, the "Leviathan Advisors" receipts were probably from the Ukraine consulting contract that focused on European Union activities rather than campaigns in Ukraine. In 2012, Gates made sure enough receipts came into DMP International, LLC (DMI) to pay its vendors. I b7A I I In 2013, LLC was an entity that Manafort created because they were having a difficult time getting money into DMI's account in the U. S. Manafort also opened a bank account with HSBC hoping that they could transfer money from a London account to a U.S. account. UNCLASSIFIED Hess b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?09-20-2018 ,On 09/20/2018 5 of 8 The 2014 receipts were for Opposition Bloc work. Some of the receipts were probably for work performed in previous years that they had a difficult time collecting. b5 b7C The 2015 receipts were for Opposition Bloc work. The Peranova Holdings receipts were income, not a loan. Manafort reviewed a document captioned "Paul Manafort, Loans from Wire Transfer, 2005?2015." Cindy LaPorta, Manafort's accountant at KWC, created the document. Manafort did not have any input into its creation. Deripaska and Akhmetov paid a large advance at the beginning of Manafort's work. Manafort does not know how his accountants booked these payments. Deripaska never loaned Manafort money. Deripaska was not involved in Manafort's purchase of the Trump Tower condominium. Yiakora Ventures Limited was controlled by Manafort. Manafort does not know why the $8,000,000 transferred on 6/4/2008 from Yiakora Ventures to Jesand was paid to Yiakora originally. The money came from Deripaska so it was either for consulting work or Pericles management fees. I b6 I I The b7A b7C payments were for work in one of the three categories identified earlier but Manafort does not know specifically what the payments were for. In 2008, Manafort and Davis made personal contributions to a 501(c)(4) Political Action Committee that supported the McCain presidential campaign. the PAC. The contributions came from LOAV, b6 Ltd. Manafort is listed as the owner of LOAV, Ltd. Manafort does not b7c know if the PAC had to disclose the contribution. Davis was involved with the McCain campaign. Manafort assumes Davis told McCain about the contribution. As Trump's Campaign Chair, Manafort knew that he could not coordinate with PACs. Manafort told Trump that Trump needed a favored PAC. Trump did not like the idea of a PAC. Finally, Trump agreed, in part, I b6 b7A b7C ICorey Lewandowski and Ed Rollins also ran PACs supporting Trump. UNCLASSIFIED /-F-eUe- i b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ContinuationofFD-SOZof 09'20'2018 ,011 09/20/2018 ,Page 6 Of 8 I Iran the political b6 messaging for the PAC. Manafort was not aware of any communications b7A between the Campaign and the PAC regarding political strategy. b7C Gates were friendsl I b6 b7A b7C b6 b7A b7C Manafort set up Steam Mountain LLC for his more recent consulting work. Manafort had a series of consulting contracts after Trump was elected. Manafort met with a group of Koreans that wanted to start an infrastructure investment fund. Manafort worked in Spain b6 Telefonica. A British Company hired Manafort to advise its b7C clients in Dubai on Trump trade policy and investing in the U.S. In China, there were two groups. The first group wanted to start a construction company in the U.S. The second group wanted to start an investment fund in New York and Shanghai that would invest in medical and educational interests. DCI Group is a U.S. consulting company that Manafort advised on the Trump Administration. Manafort believes that the black ledger found in Ukraine is phony. Some of the payment entries to him are accurate but he never received cash payments. People in Ukraine may have been trying to discredit Manafort. Viktor Yushchenko is corrupt and wanted to undermine Manafort's work with Trump. Manafort spoke with from the EEC Campaign when the information came out in the news. _advised Manafort not to respond. UNCLASSIFIED /-FeUe- FBK igw1278}2732 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7A b7E Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FDGOZd?09'20'2018 ,On 09/20/2018 7 Of 8 I Imanaged DMI's office in Kyiv. Kilimnik spoke be in August 2016 about the documents supposedly found in the office's b7C safe. it was untrue because the safe was empty. now lives inI I Manafort last talked withI Iaround January 2017. I I by the FBI. Kilimnik subsequently told Manafort thatI I Ialso told Manafort thatI I I Separately, she said that it was not Manafort's signature on the safe documents because she had the stamp at her home. Manafort had responded to an e?mail Manafort did not initiate the contact Manafort did not ask Kilimnik to initiate contact Manafort reviewed an e?mail chain beginning with a 03/21/2017 e?mail b6 fromI Iwherein Manafort b7 wrote "Are you free to speak today?" Manafort believes that reached out to Manafort because of the Washington Post article identified in the e?mail chain. Manafort cannot explain wh he sent the first e?mail in the chain. Kilimnik may have given Manafort? address. Manafort recalls speaking with_ twice on the telephone, once around January 2017, he cannot recall the timing on the other call. Manafort does not recall talking the day of these e?mail e-mails. Manafort reviewed a set of documents that were allegedly found in DMI's b6 office safe in Kyiv. One of the documents isI b7 I Manafort does not recognize any of the other documents. Another of the documents showed an invoice from Davis Manafort to NEOCOM SYSTEMS LIMITED. NEOCOM was a vehicle used by Kolesnikov to pay Manafort. Manafor did not sign this document. Davis Manafort created invoices like this one purporting to sell computer equipment in order to avoid paying Europe's Value Added Tax (VAT). Manafort placed several people on his company's payroll and health insurance even though they never worked for the company, including:' I b6 b7C Manafort recalls renting a yacht three times. Two of the rentals were for pleasure. The third rental, in the Caribbean, was for a business meeting with an island Prime Minister. Before the Republican National Convention, Manafort and Rick Dearborn met with Senator John Barrasso about the party's platform. Barrasso used the 2012 platform as a guide. Rick Dearborn headed Convention Committee UNCLASSIFIED /F-eUe- FBK i'gm'12'YSIr?2733 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?09-20-2018 ,On 09/20/2018 8 Of 8 Operations for the Trump Campaign. Manafort reviewed the 2012 platform and suggested changes based upon Trump's views on immigration, trade, NATO, North Korea and Iraq. Manafort did not suggest any policy changes on Ukraine or Russia. Manafort did not see the platform again until after the final version was submitted. Barrasso sent the revised platform to Stephen Miller and, maybe, Dearborn. On Sunday after the convention, Preibus and Manafort held a press conference where a reporter asked about changes to the Ukraine plank of the platform. Manafort did not know the issue. When he asked Dearborn, Dearborn said there had been no changes. Dearborn finally reported to Manafort that a Cruz delegate had recommended a change in the subcommittee but it was voted down when it came before the full committee. Manafort reviewed several memos prepared at his request regarding the situation. The platform originally had no language on assistance to Ukraine. The Cruz delegate recommended adding support for "lethal assistance." Mashburn and J.D. Gordon interceded to change "lethal" to "appropriate." Mashburn, Gordon and Matt Miller worked at the convention for the Trump Campaign but Manafort did not consider them decision makers for the Campaign. Mashburn and Gordon should not have made the language decision without consulting Manafort or Dearborn. Manafort believes the word "appropriate" represents a harsher stance against Russia than "lethal." UNCLASSIFIED /-F-ese FBK ism-1273}-2734 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 3- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/07/2018 Paul J. Manafort, date of was interviewed at the b6 Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. The interviewers were b7C FBI Special Agentsl I FBI Forensic and Assistant Special Counsels (ASC) Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present representing Manafort were attorneys Richard Westling, Thomas Zehnle and Kevin Downing and paralegal[::] After being advised of the interviewers and the nature of the interview, Manafort provided the following information: Manafort talked to to get the story out regarding the b6 Ukraine platform fight at the Republican National Convention. Manafort b7C briefed Trump about the issue along with other post-convention matters. Manafort does not believe that Trump knew about the floor fight until after the convention. Konstantin Kilimnik asked about the platform language at some point, but Manafort does not recall the details of their conversation. Trump publicly stated that the people of Crimea wanted to be part of Russia. Trump and Manafort had not talked about Russia policy before Trump made this statement. Trump follows the news a lot and probably read this view somewhere and then repeated it. Manafort told Trump that Manafort disagreed with the statement. Manafort gave Trump a brief history on Ukraine. Trump does not generally like to commit on foreign policy issues until a specific scenario arises. Trump believes that he can solve foreign policy disputes by avoiding the bureaucratic logjam and having face?to?face meetings. Trump and Manafort did not have a lot of policy discussions. Manafort and Trump sometimes spoke on the plane but it usually revolved around issues in the news. Manafort and Trump spoke on the plane about whether Obama's sanction against Russia were working. Manafort did not have any other policy discussions with Trump regarding Russia or Ukraine. Dimitri Simes wrote a foreign policy speech for Trump. Henry Kissinger had recommended Simes to Kushner. Trump did not like the speech, so Stephen Miller redrafted it. Investigationon 09/21/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File# I I Datedrafted 09/21/2018 105 b7A by I b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?273 5 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Manafort ContinuationofFD-SOZof 09'21'2018 ,011 09/21/2018 ,Page b7A b7C Manafort reviewed a document headed "Basel Presentation." The document is a framework for dealing with the political situation in the Ukraine and creating a campaign strategy for the Party of Regions. The framework could be used in other countries where Oleg Deripaska had assets as well. The government in Ukraine dictates business. Deripaska owned businesses in Ukraine. I b7A I The Orange Revolution was more gray than black and white in that it was less about freedom than it was about a different group of people seizing power in government. I I Manafort included a step to "Brief Kremlin on Program" in recognition that Deripaska was Russian and dealt with the Kremlin. The briefing was not meant to coordinate any of Manafort's efforts for Deripaska with any efforts by the Kremlin. Manafort did not work for any client whose positions conflicted with U.S. interests. In supporting a candidate in Ukraine, it was a dealbreaker for Manafort if the candidate would not bring Ukraine into Europe. Manafort believed Yanukovych would lead Ukraine in a direction different than most people in the West thought Yanukovych would lead Ukraine. Yanukovych denuclearized, pushed toward the Association Agreement, passed rule of laws reforms and increased surveillance along the border with Russia. Manafort objected to Yanukovych when Yulia Tymoshenko was arrested. Manafort, however, UNCLASSIFIED FBK b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Manafort Cm?mm?mu?FD?OZd?09-21-2018 ,On 09/21/2018 3 of 3 sometimes had to concede certain issues while advancing the greater goals consistent with Western reforms. Manafort told Trump that Trump should not call for Hillary Clinton's arrest. Manafort reviewed a 06/23/2005 memorandum from Manafort and Richard b6 Davis to Oleg Deripaska The document is tailored to a b7C paying client. Deripaska needed talking points to rationalize his plan to Putin. There will be specific talking points to convince Putin that Deripaska's actions in Ukraine are not a threat to Russia's interests. For example, Deripaska would bolster the power of Eastern, ethnically Russian, Ukrainians against U.S. influence in Ukraine. Manafort reviewed a 03/30/2016 e?mail from Gates to Kilimnik with an attached press release about Manafort working on the Trump Campaign and memos to four individuals. Manafort does not recall any responses. Manafort has not received any money for Ukraine, directly or indirectly, since March 2016. Manafort's only communication with Serhiy Lyovochkin was at a January 2017 meeting between Manafort, Kilimnik and Lyovochkin. Manafort assumes Kilimnik had been working for Lyovochkin since Manafort left Ukraine. Manafort would have told Lyovochkin that he believed Trump favored reuniting Ukraine, including Crimea. Kilimnik had previously relayed to Manafort that Yanukovych thought he could deal with the militants in Eastern Ukraine. Manafort knew that Russian support would be key to dealing with the militants. Lyovochkin also would have been interested in Petro Poroshenko's standing with Trump. Manafort did not have any interaction with the Trump Transition but may have implied to Lyovochkin or Kilimnik that he did. Lyovochkin and Kilimnik did not ask for tickets to the inauguration. Lyovochkin did not present a plan for Ukraine or ask Manafort for anything. Manafort does not recall making any recommendations for positions in the Administration other thanl Some people approached b6 b7C Manafort to recommend them but he cannot remember any of them. UNCLASSIFIED #3939 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) b3 b7E -l of 4- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 06/26/2018 BEATRIZ M. MARINELLO date of birth social security b6 account was interviewed at the FBI New York field office, 26 Federal Plaza, New York, New York 10278. MARINELLO resides at Her cell phone number isl I MARINELLO was advised the nature of the interview pertained to Russian nationals who may have attended the World Chess Championship in 2016 [2016 After being advised of the identities of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, MARINELLO provided the following information: MARINELLO is the Vice President of the World Chess FederationRussians through her position. MARINELLO has traveled to Russia on a number of occasions for chess?related events. She has never met VLADIMIR PUTIN but understands he is a big fan of chess. MARINELLO added that world chess competitions are very important to Russians in general. The 2016 WCC consisted of a player from Russia and a player from Norway. The Norwegian won. The dates of the event were November 10, 2016 through November 30, 2016. MARINELLO attended almost every day with the exception of maybe one or two. There were various areas designated for spectators and a special area for VIP personnel. The players competed in a sound?proof cabin in order to minimize distractions from the crowd. The 2016 WCC was attended by various celebrities and prominent businessmen from New York. Hollywood actor, WOODY HARRELSON, was present for the opening ceremonies. When asked whether or not any Russian government officials were in attendance, MARINELLO stated, "likely, because the event was full of Russians." MARINELLO remembered seeing the Russian Press Officer at the event. When asked if that individual was DMITRY PESKOV, MARINELLO did not recall the name. MARINELLO believed the individual she met may have gone by the name of b5 b7C [phonetic]. Another individual at the event claimed that PUTIN was in Florida on that day. MARINELLO believed that statement to be false however, as she did not see any news coverage of PUTIN being in Florida. Investigationon 05/31/2018 at New York, New York, United States (In Person) b3 File I Date drafted b7C This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?273 8 (Rev. 05-08-10) b3 b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Beatriz M. Marinello. On 05/31/2018 Page 2 of 4 The 2016 WCC was organized by ILYA MERENZON, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Agon, I I MERENZON told b6 MARINELLO he used to live in New York and that he had worked for b7c Bloomberg. The Agon company has been the lead organizer for world chess events for many years. Their vision is to use technology to make chess more popular. The founder, ANDREW PAULSON, obtained the first contract between Agon and the World Chess Federation. PAULSON is now deceased. He was a Yale graduate and a successful American businessman who worked in Moscow. MERENZON and PAULSON were close friends. MARINELLO thought MERENZON may have formerly worked for KIRSAN ILYUMZHNOV who is the President of the World Chess Federation. ILYUMZHNOV was placed on the U.S. sanctions list by the United States Treasury Department in 2015. Given so, the World Chess Federation has asked him to step aside from his position as President in an attempt to protect the organization. MERENZON brought many Russians to the United States for the 2016 WCC. MARINELLO estimated he brought approximately 10 to 20, mostly females. MARINELLO described them as young and casual. b6 IMERENZON was insistent b7c that the Russians be brought to the United States early, prior to the event. MERENZON assisted with obtaining office space for them in the SoHo neighborhood of Manhattan. They utilized that space for approximately two months. They rented two small offices located just off of Broadway. MARINELLO could not remember the name of the cross street but offered to provide it to the Agents at a later date. The Russians seemed guarded when they spoke with MARINELLO. They only engaged with her when they needed something. They often had conference calls with Moscow and were very disorganized. They had no prior connections to New York and for most of them, it was their first time visiting the United States. MARINELLO provided that, in normal circumstances, the organizers of the event provided the infrastructure needed for the event. In this case, the Russians brought their own infrastructure. [Case Agent Note: At this point in the conversation MARINELLO was speaking about the Russians making calls back to Moscow and her reference to infrastructure may have been related to either computers and/or telecommunications equipment.] During the first week of the 2016 WCC, MERENZON showed MARINELLO a photograph on his cell phone and told her it was a photo of DONALD TRUMP attending the event. MARINELLO did not get a good look at the photograph because MERENZON held it from a distance. MARINELLO could tell the (Rev, 05-08-10) b3 b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Beatriz M. Marinello. ,On 05/31/2018 3 of 4 Page photograph depicted three men but could not identify any of them. MARINELLO did not see TRUMP at the event but stated that it was possible he had attended in the VIP area and that she may not have seen him. MARINELLO visited Moscow in March of 2018. On her return, she took an Aeroflot flight from Moscow to Belarus. MERENZON was coincidentally on the same flight as her and she asked if he still had the photograph of TRUMP. MARINELLO recalled asking MERENZON, "Do you still have the photo?" to which MERENZON quickly responded, MARINELLO clarified that she did not specifically ask MERENZON if he had the photograph of TRUMP but she was positive he understood her inquiry to be related to it based on his response. b6 b7C MARINELLO could not remember the names of the Russians who worked at the 2016 WCC. She agreed to conduct searches of various documents in attempt to find them for the interviewing Agents. MARINELLO also stated her intent to provide the Agents with a copy of the invitation letters that were sent to each of the Russians. Additionally, MARINELLO agreed to look through her cell phone for any additional information which could provide further insight about Russian activities at the 2016 WCC. (Rev. 05-08-10) b3 b7E Interview of Beatriz M. Marinello. ,On 05/31/20l8 Jag 4 of 4 An open source article was identified for the Agon company referencing ILYUMZHNOV, PAULSON, and MERENZON. A copy is enclosed for the file as a digital 1A attachment to this FD-302. 1 f3 .?b7E IUD-302 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 04/18/2018 On 3/30/2018, SAI land IAI interviewed STEVEN NIX, Director at the Eurasia Division for IRI with a work address of 1225 Street NW, Suitel hn Washington DC, a telephone number of 202?408? 9450 and a work email ofl lat his place of work. Also present for the interview wasl for IRI. After advising NIX andl Iof the identity of the interview agent and analyst, NIX provided the following information: Prior to joining IRI, NIX had been an attorney at a large law firm where he practiced some international law, including overseas election law. NIX had worked in Ukraine for four years as outside legal counsel for the Ukrainian Parliament, a position he had obtained through the International Association for Election Foundations. NIX was hired by IRI in late 2000 or January 2001 as Director of the Eurasia Division. KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK was hired by IRI in approximately 1998. At the time of hiring, KILIMNIK was an employee based out of IRI's Moscow office. KILIMNIK did translation work and general office management in IRI's Moscow office along with other different things (NEIb7A b7C Investigationon 03/30/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File Date drafted b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?273g b3 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of STEVEN NIX ,On 03/30/2018 Jhthe time of his firing, NIX was not aware of any ties between KILIMNIK b6 b7A b7C and Russian intelligence servicesb7A b7C IRI closed their Moscow office approximately 5 years ago. Contact with Additional Individuals b6 b7C NIX did not recognize the name NIX had met Manafort in passing at an election party (NFI). UNCLASSIFIED Herse? b3 b7E Interview of STEVEN NIX On 03/30/2018 Page b7A b7C IRI Policy that IRI had a document retention policy of 7 years, but could b6 not say affirmatively that they did not have records for because they had not conducted a search. expressed IRI's willingness to fully cooperate with law enforcement and explained that lRI's response to media requests had been not to comment. UNCLASSIFIED Apoge? i FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 11/07/2017 GEORGE DIMITRIOS PAPADOPOULOS, Social Security Account Number (SSAN) was interviewed at the BREEN PUGH law office, 53 West Jackson Street, Suite 1215, Chicago, Illinois 60604. Present during the interview were Attorneys I IandI I FBI Special Agent (SA) I IFBI Intelligence Analyst I Special Counsel Attorney AARON ZELINSKY, and Special Counsel Attorney ANDREW GOLDSTEIN. b6 b7C At the beginning of the interview, GOLDSTEIN advised PAPADOPOULOS that the same rules applied for this interview as they did in the previous proffer interviews on August 10, 2017, August 11, 2017, and September 19, 2017. PAPADOPOULOS was provided a copy of the agreement he signed on the dates prior, acknowledging his understanding of the continued proffer b6 agreement. PAPADOPOULOS initialed and signed the agreement for this b7C interview. His signature was witnessed and initialed by After being advised of the nature of the interview and the identifies of the interviewers, PAPADOPOULOS provided the following informationPer Investigationon 09/20/2017 at Chicago, Illinois, United States (In Person) b6 Fk# Dmemmkd 10/31/2017 b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2793 b7C (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Proffer interview George Dimitrios ContinuationofFD-3020f Papadopoulos September 20, 2017. On 09/20/2017 Page 2 of 4 IPAPADOPOULOS never told anyoneb5 Per the campaign abou? the Russians having dirt on HILLARY CLINTON (CLINTON). PAPADOPOULOS was never told to cease his attempts to arrange a meeting between the TRUMP campaign and the Russians and he believed JEFF SESSIONS (SESSIONS) was fully supportive of those effortsPer b7E (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Proffer interview George Dimitrios ContinuationofFD-3020f Papadopoulos September 20, 2017. On 09/20/2017 3 of 4 ,Page hand?written notes taken from journalb7C b7E (Rev 05-08-10) (U) Proffer interview George Dimitrios ContinuationofFD-3020f Papadopoulos September 20, 2017. On 09/20/2017 4 of 4 ,Page b5 Per b6 b7C - 1 of 4 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 07/17/2018 On May 30th 2018, at the office of I I John Podesta former Campaign Chairman for Hillary For America, was interviewed by employees of the Special Counsel's Office. In attendance were Attorneyl IAssociateI I Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agentl IFederal Bureau of Investigation Management and Program I Assistant Special Counsel Lawrence Rush Atkinson V, and Assistant Special Counsel Jeannie Rhee. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents, and purpose of the interview, Podesta stated the b6 b7C following: In the Spring of 2016, Podesta worked out of an office in Brooklyn, New York shared with his assistants Podesta b6 traveled a lot in March 2016, up to three to four times a week. Most of b7c this travel during the campaign was with the goal of raising money for the Clinton Campaign in primary states. Podesta confirmed which he used from 2007 until the time of the leaks in 2016. b6 b7C To Podesta's Investigationon 05/30/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 05/30/2018 File Date drafted b7C by 1:75: This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278}?2797 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of JOHN PODESTA. ,On 05/30/2018 ,Page 2 of 4 knowledge, there was no hacking activity prior to 2016. Podesta also had a CLINTON campaign email, but only used it for internal campaign communications. Podesta did not remember receiving the spear?phishing email until later when he was informed by his staff at the time. His recollection was that he was told by that the password had been changed and he b6 was provided the new password. Podesta did not recall seeing the b7C underlying email exchange with and security deciding to change the password and he doesn't recall seeing the spear-phishing email. Podesta did not think he would have clicked on the link as it was not suspicious for others to access his account at that time. In early June 2016, Podesta learned of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) hack days after the California primary election and just before the Washington Post article came outl b6 also told Podesta that the suspected actors were Russian. Podesta recalled that when the b7E story came out, DCLeaks was first to release documents and emails, then GUCCIFER 2.0, and then WikiLeaks published DNC leaked documents. Podesta believed an archival copy of his email inbox was created at that time. In late June 2016, some documents were leaked that didn't look like they came from the DNC, including financial documents that only a couple of people had access to. One or two of those documents were in Podesta's Gmail account, some were in email account, and others in b6 email accounts. Podesta recalled internal discussions b7C in June 2016 that the campaign was trying to find out where some of the leaked documents had originated. Podesta believed that these internal discussions occurred on the HillaryClinton.com email service, hosted at Office365, and that there may have been a 30 to 60 day retention policy on these emails. The Hillary For America (HFA) campaign brought in an outside firm to look into any intrusion activity in the campaign. Podesta believed it to be Mandiant and he was kept abreast of this but details were not reported to him, as he was actively working the Vice Presidential Nominee selection process at the time. Podesta believed that Mandiant was still investigating when Trump stated "release those emails" in July. Mandiant concluded that they could not find any evidence that HillaryClinton.com was hacked and ended up conflicting out of the contract when they were hired by Alfa bank. In August 2016, I b6 Podesta recalled that at the timel Iwas also going to Republican fund b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED f?Fege. b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of JOHN PODESTA ,On 05/30/2018 3 of 4 Page raising events and saying that there were more leaks about to come out. After Manafort left the Trump campaign, Iwas touting there were more 23A leaks to come. When I Podesta thought the b7C Trump campaign would start targeting him because he was counterpart to Manafort. b6 b7A b7C During that time, the HFA campaign started a crisis team consisting of about a dozen staff members to manage fallout from leaked this team, which was dedicated to working fallout from leaked b6 emails for the entire month of October 2016. I b7C On October 7th 2016 Podesta was at a debate preparation session in Westchester. The campaign was either given a heads up or saw the release of the ODNI report and the took a break to deal with fallout from that. The same day, the Access Hollywood tape came out, during another break from the debate preparation. The HFA campaign was not b6 given a heads up on the Access Hollywood tape. Shortly after, Podesta's b7C emails were leaked. Within five minutes of the leak, I notified Podesta of the release. They had no indication before this that Podesta's emails would be leaked. After Podesta's emails were leaked, the crisis team became larger and they reviewed contents of Podesta's inbox to try to anticipate what the next leak could contain and how to manage the fallout from such a leak. I b7A Podesta had only spoken with the FBI on the Sunday following the first release of emails on WikiLeaks, which he believed to be October 15th 2016. Podesta had a clear recollection of the day being a day of debate preparation, with the Intelligence Committee Report releasing around noon. UNCLASSIFIED b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of JOHN PODESTA. ,On 05/30/20l8 4 of 4 ,Page The Access Hollywood tape was released that day as well, and Podesta's emails were released on WikiLeaks. The FBI contacted the campaign and Podesta called back to the agent from the WFO office. When his emails were released, Podesta realized that it was his entire inbox when he saw that it was 50,000 emails released. Some of the campaign emails were modified, but Podesta did not think that his emails were modified. Podesta recalls personal damage by the leak of his emails as being broad. b6 b7C The main damage to the campaign was b6 Podesta had to do fence b7C mending both politically and personally. UNCLASSIFIED Feet-Is b7E FDamuRaassun -1 of 19- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/19/2018 Josh Raffel was interviewed at the Special Counsel's Office, located at 395 Street SE, Washington, DC, pursuant to a proffer agreement. Raffel was accomoanied by his I be Present for the interview were Special Agent (SA) b7C ISAI ISenior Counselor to the Special Counsel James L. Quarles, and Senior Assistant Special Counsel Andrew Goldstein. After being advised and acknowledging it is a crime to lie to the FBI in the course of an investigation, Raffel provided the following information: [Agent note: All times referenced in the body of the document are in Coordinated Universal Time per Investigationon 02/08/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278)?28 I I, b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page 2 of 19 Interview of Josh Raffel b5 per b5 per b5 per JUne 2016 Trump Tower meetingb7C bhowed Raffel a variety of emails to review. Among them was an email chainl Ithat discussed setting up a meeting! b5 per b6 b7C FBK 19w12'7832-2812 (Rev. 05-08-10) hm Interview of Josh Raffel ,On 02/08/2018 3 of 19 ,Page the email was also discovered by someone at the Tr??LPer Organization and had been given to the President's attorneysper met with Kushner and gave him the advice that they b6 should be proactive. b7C IRaffel told Kushner he thought the emails were reallv badJ b7C media inquir? I b5 per b6 b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2813 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK 15ml EYE-28 14 (Rev. 05-08-10) I b7E Interview of Josh Raffel ,On 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C Irecommehd a proactive approach on the emails. b5 per Hicks relayed the President directed they not be proactive and had said maybe the email would not leakJ b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2815 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Josh Raffel On 02/08/2018 Eng 6 of 19 b5 per b6 b7C JUly 2017 POTUS Trip: Raffel and the others departed on an overseas trip for the b? per July 7, 2017 b5 per b6 b7C Itold her the NYTimes had more information on the June 9016 meetin?l b5 per b6 b7C FBK 19w12'7832-2815 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Josh Raffel On 02/08/2018 Eng 7 of 19 b5 per b6 b7C Hicks and Raffell b5 per Idiscussed the story. b5 per July 8, 2017 Return flight to U.S. b5 per b5 per b6 b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2817 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel ,On 02/08/2018 8 of 19 ,Page per FBK i?gmi EYE-2818 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK i?gmi b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Josh Raffel ,On 02/08/2018 Jag 10 of 19 Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof b7C Hicks returned from talking to the President and said it was a ?no do.? There was to be no ("1'12th tn ?Hda qtrn?i?val Ithe NYTimes story posted bf_Fer b6 b7C FBK 19w12'7832-2820 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK 191201278}-282 i, (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel ,011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7E per per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Josh Raffel 3011 02/08/2018 ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Josh Raffel ,On 02/08/2018 Jag b'7C b5 per b6 b7C b5 per FBK - 1 of 1 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 08/18/2017 James Rybicki, identifying information having previously been provided, was interviewed via pursuant to documents recovered from former FBI Director James Comey. Rybicki provided the following information: On Wednesday, July 26, 2017, Comey called the front office telephone number and left a telephone message for Rybicki. On the same day, Rybicki returned Comey's call either from his work desk or cell phone. Comey told Rybicki, while packing for an upcoming move, he found a folder with government documents. Comey agreed to provide the documents the next day when individuals from FBI Finance Facilities Division (FFD) were returning Comey's personal property. On Thursday, July 27, 2017, unknown personnel from FFD retrieved one blue "standard" folder from Comey at his residence. The folder contained a one page email, a one page chart with handwritten notes on the back and civil litigation paperwork for Comey. On the same assigned to b6 FFD, gave the above listed items to Rybicki at his office. Rybicki b7c requested guidance from FBI Acting Director Andrew McCabe later that evening on how to handle the documents. McCabe requested that Comey?s civil litigation paperwork go to the FBI's Office of General Counsel (OGC) and the remaining items be provided to FBI's Records Management Division. Rybicki sent the civil litigation paperwork toI I the Acting Deputy General Counsel at OGC. On either Thursday, July 27, 2017 or Friday, July 28, 2017, Rybicki spoke with David Bowdich (Associate Deputy Director) regarding the remaining documents. On Friday at approximately 1:17 pm, Rybicki ail EEC assigned to FFD. On the following Monday, July 31, 2017, retrieved the documents from Rybicki. Administrative: The documents retrieved from Comey are being maintained in the custody of the Records Management Division. Washington, District Of Columbia, United States Investigationon 08/07/2017 at Other File# Date drafted 08/07/2017 b3 b6 by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. F81 (19W 1 241,3 -1 of 31- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 03/22/2018 PAUL SAUNDERS, Executive Director for CENTER FOR THE NATIONAL INTEREST (CNI), was interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement at Patriots Plaza II, 395 Street SW, Washington, DC 20546 by Special Agent I ha I I SAI I Intelligence Analyst I b7C I Iand Assistant Special Counsel (ASC) Aaron Zelinsky. Accompanying SAUNDERS were CNI's outside counsel attorneysl I I IAfter being advised of the identities of the interviewing officials and after reviewing the proffer agreement, in the presence of his attorneys, SAUNDERS executed the proffer agreement, whereupon he provided the following informationb?7C b5 per b6 b7C Investigationon 02/15/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 02/20/2018 File Date drafted b7C by SA b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 02/15/2018 ,Page b7E per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 3 of 31 ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 4 of 31 ,Page In addition to the Board of Directors, CNI had an Advisory Council. b5 per Iindividuals on CNI's Advisory Council, such asl Iformer U.S. Senator JEFF SESSIONSI per (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page b7A FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per DOJXOIP b3 b7A b5 per b3 b6 b7A b7C FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 7 of 31 ,Page b5 per b3 b7A SIMES, SAUNDERS, and BURT discussed the set of bullet points and then SIMES sent the bullet points to the TRUMP campaignb7A FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 ,Page per CNI's magazine, use the NATIONAL PRESS CLUB (NPC) for the event and have THE NATIONAL INTEREST, host the event. -_b5 per b3 b7A FBK igw12'7832?2853Q b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 9 of 31 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per FBK I b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 11 of 31 ,Page per SAUNDERS subsequently booked Space at the MAYFLOWER HOTEL b5 per b3 FBK 19w12'7832-2852 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/20l8 Jag per Regarding who was invited to the pre?speech reception, SAUNDERS looked at the list of CNI's invitees to the actual speech and then selected who to invite to the pre?speech reception. b5 per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 13 of 31 ,Page I [The pre?speech reception wasb5 per very small eventper FBIu-gmzm;-23a (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 14 of 31 ,Page b5 per SAUNDERS did not recall seeing KISYLAK or SESSIONS at the pre?speech reception. I b5 per DOJXOIP b5 per b5 per b6 b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 ,Page b7E 15 of 31 b5 per b5 per DOJXOIP be b7C SAUNDERS believed TRUMPI b5 per Iwent straight to the airport after leaving the MAYFLOWER HOTEL'per b3 b7A I b5 per b7A FBK 19w12'7832-2855 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page FBK b?7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 17 of 31 ,Page The May 23, 2016 Annual Awards Dinner was hosted by CNI at the FOUR SEASONS hotel in DC. b5 per SESSIONS arrived for the event. I FBK b'7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/l5/2018 Jag 18 of 31 b5 per b5 per SAUNDERS did not recall seeing KISLYAK at the May 23, 2016 Annual Awards Dinner. b? per DOJZOIP b7A b7C b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 Jag FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 20 of 31 ,Page per ISESSIONS then asked SAUNDERS to draft another memorandum focused on Egyptper b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Paul Saunders On 02/l5/20l8 Page 21 of 31 b5 per b3 135 per INeither SAUNDERS or SIMES recalled seeinq anythinq. Ithey did not recall seeing SESSIONS and KISLYAK together. b5 per FBK igw12'7832?2872 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 02/15/2018 b7E per DOJXOIP b7A b5 per b7A FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per b7A FBK 1512161 EYE-2874 (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 b7E ,Page per DOJXOIP b5 per b5 per b6 b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 27 of 31 ,Page per DOJXOIP FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per DOJXOIP b6 b7A b7C b5 per DOJXOIP b6 b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paul Saunders 3011 02/15/2018 ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Paul Saunders ,On 02/15/2018 31 of 31 Page b5 per b5 per b3 FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - of 12 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 12/04/2017 PAULA MARY SHUGARTJ date of birth I office telephonel Icell telephonel email :3 lwas interviewed at the Soecial Counsel's Office, b7E Washington, D.C. Also present werel andl from DEBEVOISE PLIMPTON, 919 Third Avenue, New York, New York, 10022; Senior Assistant Special Counsel Jeannie Rhee; Assistant Special Counsel L. Rush Atkinson; and Supervisory Intelligence I After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, SHUGART provided the following informationb7C Investigationon 09/25/2017 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) b6 b7C File# Datedrafted 09/25/2017 b7E by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 b7E ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart ,On 09/25/2017 3 of 12 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart ,On 09/25/2017 ,Page per Pam-b7C EYE-2885 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 ,Page b7C FBK i?gm1278}2888 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Paula Mary Shugart On 09/25/2017 8 of 12 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart 3011 09/25/2017 ,Page per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart On 09/25/2017 11 of 12 ,Page b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Paula Mary Shugart On 09/25/2017 12 of 12 Page b5 per b6 b7C FBK Enamuama&&un "i ?t 23" FEBERAL BERRAE 0F ENVESTEGATEON ALEX 1 ?1 10-1.16 VAN KNEE ZWAJAT numbers DER AWAAFI mo telephone te1_ephene numberl Date of may 7 I euai1 addressesl I /3 Iwas intervie311.1116 1.31: {.1163 0:01:3(31c11 Present 131 the interview were FBI Sveci Att /;_11eys An lrew attorneysl andl nte1vAgents issmann and B11an B1pudhdbona after Being advisel of the naturv prov1ded the tol1ow1ng 1nf,1n1at ion: VAH WAKE was adv1eed A13 part the 1nte1V1ew we: . VAN DER ZWAAN was also and 1y1ng to a Peder? 1C1 11?1 I [He quallf e0 ,e a laryer 1m 2009 and started working for SKADDEN at that time. Imeg?ga?onon 11/03 2017 211 We. hington, Of Columbia, United Stat. es (111 Person} F119 Date drafted 1 1. 0 6 2 (117 This; {16112111116113 contains neither reach :nmenda?ons nor c011c111sic1115: of the F131 10 he 11151111) uteri Outside yum: agenc I is 1116 props my of the FBI and is ioaned to you -r agency; it and 1139012113145; are 1-03b7A b7C b7E 2911 b7A (Rev. 05?08-10) b7E Caminuat'mn0fm.3g2of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 11/03/2017 ?4,326 b?7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2912, b7A FD-ana (Rev. 05?08-10) b7E of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 11/03/2 017 ?4,326 of 25 b6 b7C b6 b?7C b6 b7C b6 b7A b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2913 b7A b7E (Rev. 05?08-10_RterJle 0t Alex Van 461 Lwaan ,Braine Engagement ER ZWAAN was assigned to the enqa??ment in 2U b6 b7C rmgw: . b7A (REV. 05?08-10) b7E of (U) Interview 0 Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 1 3? 2 1 7 ?4,326 b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2915 b?7A aRev. 03?08-10Cammuamm.aim-.502of oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; ?4,326 b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2915 b7A b7E (RSV. 05-08-10_RterJle 0t Alex Van 461 ,On ll/ olz?l; ,Ege I of 2a VAN ZWAAN was eventually assigaed to work the DDEDJ tnaaiemtnt f1ll? time. He several months of work to the engagement? MAN ZWAAN deeczcibed hie and role in the engagenw ent in 2012 to Le primarily i?o le for or eparjng, interviewing, and writing up intertiezl of tee aeootiated with the HENKO trial. VAN DER role, in addition to above, was to be a lir iguist and cultural conduit and for communication purpoea". He made things happen on the gr an: in Ukraine and ations we re being met: he also dtorrlhed his 1 hardline the nuts and bolts of the enga emen1 takinv care of the an 'eam. In 20l3 VAN DER ZHAAN eta .teti the engagement involveo the report fill out. Soetifieallv, SKADDEN their reeort and 4their were tonve?ed. b7C E"MallS VAN DER ZWAAN wae a number of emaile, many with attachments, and wae aeheo to Clarifv informat iin within the emails. b6 1 b?7C (Rev. 05?08-10) Caminuatien 0f TED-302 of Interview Van Der IQ . ,Pzaga b7C 011,, ?.Clude def? x, the repo VAN hdihg the report ?Dd maki b6 b7C The client engagen ?Ukraihian MOJ. b6 b7C FBK i?gmi EYE-2918 b7A (Rev. 05-08-10oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; ?4,326 136 13723. b7C FBK i?gmi I b7A 1R 05?03-Cammuamm.aim-.502of oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; ?4,326 1 (RSV. 05-08-10) Caminuatien 0f TED-302 of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der l?l .. awaan ,On 11/03/2017 Page b7A b7E b7C @2921 b7A (Rev. 05?08-10Cammuamm.aim-.502of oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; ?4,326 b?7C FBK b7A FD-ana (Rev. 05?08-10) va Caminuat'mn0fm.3g2of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 11/03/2017 ?4,326 13 of 25 b6 b'b7C b?7A (Rev. 05?08-10Cammuamm.aim-.502of oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,Ou do, 41h; ?4,326 b6 b7C -1 Cr". b6 b7C b7C b6 b?7C FBK b7A FD-ana (Rev. 05?08-10) b7}; of (U) Interview 0 Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 1 3? 2 1 7 ?4,326 1 5 of 2 5 b6 b?b7C FBK b?7A (Rev. 05?08-10) b7E of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 11/03/2017 ?4,326 16 of 25 22, b5 b7A b?7C b6 b7A b7C 23 b6 b7C b?7A (REV. 05?08-10) b7E of (U) Interview 0 Alex Van Der Ziniaan ,On 1 3? 2 1 7 ?4,326 FBK b7A aRev. 03?08-10oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; b7C b6 b7A b7C 28. 105? b7C b7A b?7C 3- . b6 b?7A b7C FBK (RSV. 05-08-10) Caminuatien 0f TED-302 of I nterview Page b7A b7E b6 b7A VAN DER :epcrtb7C surprised if likely bee. email, or GATES some I E: 1? OJ a phvn? call, perh:ps six FBK (Rev. 05?08-10) b7A b7E Interview of Alex Van Der Zwaan ,On But 20 of 25 MANLFORT res1gaed, which simply :tateJ, S, politics suck.? VAN DER ZWAAN did not recall any post mid?August 2?16 communications cono.ih1hg work on the report. Nor did he remember my communications mid?August 2016? VAN DER ZWAAN b5 admittad to staying in cordial aontaot wit? Iafter the SKADDEN 23A engagement ended, The last time VAN DER ZWAAN ahdl I communicated was in 2014 whehl a 1.90 Versirr?O frien with Game. VAN DER recalled speaking with GATES in May This was the l=st time they other? b6 b7A b7C b6 b7C Serial ?13 (REV. 05?08-10) of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan On 11/03/2017 b?7C b6 b7C b7C b6 b'7C U) x] FBK i, b7A b?7E (Rev. 05?08-10) .rT . ?q Caminuaticmaim-302of .Ll'lterJlEW oi" Alex Jan 061; ,On Adios/41h! ?4,326 4 b6 b7C DER ZWLAN always thought KILIMNIK was a b6 b7A b7C UJ RD 136 13723. b7C b6 b?7C IR: b?7A b7C FBK b?7A FED-3023 (REV. 05?08-101'7 Cammuamm.aim-.502of oi" Alex V0.11 461 Lwaan ,On do, 41h; ?4,326 b'7C Lb FBK (Rev. 05?08-101'7 _RterJle 0t Alex Van Lwaan ,On ei/dolz?ep ,Ege b7C knew not to eak with the media. IDEZER VAN DER ZWAAN never spoke to the media concerning the SKADDEN regortb7A b7C FBK b7A FD-ana (Rev. 05?08-10) b7}; Caminuaticmaim-302 of (U) Interview of Alex Van Der Ziniaan On 11/03/2 017 Page FBK FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) - of 12 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 07/12/2018 CATHERINE MARIE VARGAS, was interviewed on April 4, b6 2018 at the Special Counsel?s Office. Present for the interview b7c were Senior Assistant Special Counsel Andrew Goldstein, Senior Assistant Special Counsel Zainab Ahmed, Special Intelligence I VARGAS was accompanied by her attorney, I b5 per DOJXOIP b6 b7C b5 per DOJXOIP b?7C b5 per Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person, Investigationon 04/04/2018 at PhoneFile Date drafted b7 by b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 273}_2g3 5 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with ContinuationofFD-SOZof Vargas' attorney ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page b?iper UNCLASSIFIED Pese- (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page b7E per FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page per FBK 19w12'7832-2'939 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page b7C b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 img per UNCLASSIFIED FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with ContinuationofFD-302 of Vargas' attorney b7E ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page per June 9, 2016 meetingi VARGAS looked at her emails and saw the email where KUSHNER asked her to call his cellb7C b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 img per UNCLASSIFIED FBK b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 img b7C UNCLASSIFIED Novo- FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with ContinuationofFD-302 of Vargas' attorney ,On 04/04/2018 I?l b7E ,Page b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with b7E attorney ,On 04/04/2018 Jag b7C UNCLASSIFIED FBK lam-1273}-2g45 (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Catherine M. Vargas and follow up telephone call with attorney ,On 04/04/2018 ,Page b7C b7E IUD-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1 C>f 8 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 06/08/2017 (U) On or about 06/01/2017 Special Agentl land Special Agentl Iinterviewed Yuval Weber (Weber)J I :30 Iphonel Iemaill (U) The interview was established through a phone call earlier in the day in which SAI Iidentified himself as "with the Upon meeting Weber, SA introduced himself and SAI Iby first and last name b6 b7C through this early portion of the interview, SA referred to himself as an FBI Agent, and Weber observed SA badge. Later in the interview, Weber stated that he originally thought that SAI I b6 b7C b7A lstated that he had said on the phone and that is what likely caused the confusion. Additionally, that they did not intend to utilize a ruse or to cause confusion, it was just coincidental that Weber misheard SA (U) During the interview Weber provided the following information: United States (In Person, Investigationon 06/01/2017 at Phone) b3 Hb# Dmemmkd 06/02/2017 b6 by b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside oura enc . I b3 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Yuval Weber ,On 06/01/2017 ,Page 2 of 8 (U) Background b6 b7C (U) Weberl Iinvolves discussions of "how power hangs together." Weber described Turkey shooting down a Russian military plane. Ihow the powerful sovereign states, like Turkey and Russia, interact, particularly in times of crisis. In the Turkey?Russia example, Weber described how the world was waiting to see what Russia would do. Europe prefers predictability in global issues, where as Russia likes to withhold knowledge of their likely action. (U) Weber opined that the recent discussions of Russian interference in the US Election, as well as other countries, is ultimately a Rorschach test. People tend to see what already aligns with their opinions. (U) Additionally, Weber stated that Russian influence is only successful when the society it is attempting to influence is already deeply polarized. He gave the examples of the US, France, the UK, and the Netherlands. In these examples, Russian influence appeared to have an effect because the societies were already polarized, with the exception of the Netherlands. The Netherlands is not as polarized as other European nations and the Russian attempted influence had little effect. (U) Specifically for the US, Weber believed that the hacking occurred, but it was only effective because of our polarized beliefs. (U) Weber recalled discussions with peers in which scholars are beginning to agree that the US is losing reliability. He has an b6 associate that works for in Germany. The b7C associate said that the US has had two "crazy" presidents in the last century. The Iraq War in 2003 was the beginning of the end of the reliability of the US, and the withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change Accord is another example. Eventually, the US can either choose to lead the world, or become first among equals. b3 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Yuval Weber 3011 06/01/2017 3 of 8 Page (U) Weber about scholars or writers that he trusted related to the Russian Federation. Weber identifiedl land I IFor individuals that he would not trust related to b6 Russia, Weber identified b7C (U) When asked specifically about current sanctions against Russia, Weber said that they are biting. (U) In terms of the current gossip and rumors circulating in Russia related to the US Election influence, Weber said that Russians have no doubt that Wikileaks now works for them. Weber opined that the DNC hacks and release of emails was designed to cause domestic turmoil for Secretary Hillary Clinton (Clinton), so that once she won the election it would her success. Russians believed that a President Clinton would then look for relief in the form of a victory in Syria with the support of Russia. However, Russians did not expect for President Trump to win the election. (U) According to Weber, Putin demonstrated his desire for the nation to align with Donald J. Trump (Trump) over Clinton by describing Clinton as "ideological" and Trump as "pragmatic." These are the codewords used to identify when a foreign leader aligns with Russia's interests. (U) Weber described the event in Russia at which Lieutenant General Michael and received $30,000.00 for b6 b7C attending. Weber said that the Russians view this money as investment in the future. Russia holds large lavish events with nice food, alcohol, and dancing women. The Russians learn what each person likes and provides it with no questions asked. Weber said that the Russians will never ask for anything at these dinners, but they hope that attendees gain high?level positions in the US Government. The perfect success is where an attendee becomes the National Security Advisor. Weber opined that he does not know if had been bought by the Russians; but despite having no proof, he was confident that had been paid through and through. (U) Prior FBI Contact FBK igw127832?2'950 (Rev. 05-08-10) ContinuationofFD-SOZof (U) Interview of Yuval Weber ,On 06/01/20l7 ,Page 4 of 8 (U) Carter Page I Ifriend and research associate, Andrej Krickovic, was working at HSE and had previously met Page while Krickovic was working as an intern at the US Embassy in Moscow. Later, Krickovic helped Page edit his presentation to HSE. Weber remarked that these presentations are formulaic and the questions are standard, but Page was unable to follow the format. Krickovic completely edited Page's presentation the night before Page was scheduled to present. Page chose to use his original presentation, IAccording to Weber, Krickovic reported that after Page's presentation a fellow professor said that it was obvious Page wanted their business cards to take and show to his Gazprom buddies. (U) To access the Trump Presidential Campaign (Campaign), Page used a connection from when he worked for Senator McCain's campaign. Weber identified Rick Dearborn (AGENT COMMENT: Annotated in notes as Rick Deerport END COMMENT). Weber believed that the campaign had access to a list of individuals who were not considered never?Trumpers. Weber stated that Page was on the list, plus he had experience in Russia, and a military background; so his name was sent to Corey Lewandowski. Ia university in Moscow (AGENT COMMENT: The New Economic School (NES) END COMMENT). NES was looking for a commencement speaker and Krickovic recommended Page because he was then?Candidate Trump's Russia?guyb7C b3 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Yuval Weber ,On 06/01/2017 Jag 5 of 8 and Krickovic met with Page, b6 b7C Everything that Page described is what is coming true today. (U) SAI Ilater asked why would NES want a speaker I IWeber said that it was because he was Trump's Russia?guy. The university typically had heads of state and Nobel Laureates as commencement speakers; in fact, Weber claimed they could have called any Nobel Laureate they wanted for the speech. b6 b7C (U) In July, when Page had traveled to give the commencement speech at NES, Weber recalled that it was rumored in Moscow that Page met with Igor Sechin. Weber said that Moscow is filled with gossip and people in Moscow were interested in Page being there. It was known that a campaign official was there. (U) Page may have briefly met with Arkady Dvorkovich at the commencement speech, considering Dvorkovich was on the board at NES. But Weber was not aware of any special meeting. not with Page 100% of the time, he met him for dinner, attended the first public presentation, but missed the commencement speech. They had a few other interactions. Page was very busy on his trip. b6 b7C had little contact with Page since the July trip. After the election, Icongratulated Page on President?Elect Trump's victory. I b3 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Yuval Weber ,On 06/01/2017 ,Page 6 of 8 b6 b7C (U) Page mentioned using OSCE (AGENT COMMENT: Organization for Security and Co?operation in Europe END COMMENT) protections against b6 b7C the US Government. Page did mention meeting Ambassador Kislyak. (U) did not meet Page on Page's December 2016 trip to Moscow. was not in Moscow at the time. also described an instance b6 in April of 2017 where Page emailed Shlomo Weber, b7C Krickovic, Iand Denis Klimentov asking if the group could meet him in Moscow for a filmed interview. provided the email in which Page says that the interview is for VICE news. Page said that he would fly to Moscow to film the segment. The provided email included a chain of emails in which members of the group decline the invitation. I INone of the invitees wanted to participate. b6 (U) In December 2016 Page gave a talk at a Russian media outlet, b7C Rossiya Segodyna. According to Weberf Page needed a specific invitation to speak there. SA asked if Weber knew worked for Sputnik. Weber recalled an lat Sputnik, but because it was a common name he was not sure on the last name. Weber said it was possible she invited Page. However, Russian law still would require a high level Russian official presiding over the US portfolio to approve Page's speech at Rossiya Segodyna because he was still associated to a political campaign and party. Weber said that only three individuals could give the approval, Lavrov, Peskov, and a third deputy. b6 b7C (U) SA Weber if we could continue the interview in a more private setting. Weber invited the Agents to his office, and the interview continued there. (Rev. 05-08-10) Continuation of FD-3 02 of Ihas had significant contact with the Russian Federation in an Ihas attended events, similar to the and event, I Iat events by government officials.I I Ihas not knowingly had direct contact with any member of the Russian Security Services, but understands that the services could have had some level of involvement in the above?referenced events. He has been asked by Russian government officials to sign off on research projects and proposals as a means to validate them, butI Ihas denied such offersI I (U) Weber was not 100% sure, but he does not believe thatI Imet with Page in December 2016. I (U) Interview of Yuval Weber ,On 06/01/2017 ,Page 7 of 8 (U) did Weber and does not come to the US often. Weber not think thatI Iwould be as enthusiastic as himself about (U) Krickovic also is in Moscow and does not come to the US often. He travels a few times per year to attend US?based conferences. (U) Telephone Interview on 06/06/2017 (U) On 06/06/2017, a brief telephone follow?up interview of Weber. Weber provided the following information: (U) a question specifying Weber's previous statement that it was rumored in Moscow in July of 2016 that Page had met with Igor Sechin, as stated above, Weber said think so." Weber described that Page mentioned in July that he previously met with the Prime b7C FBK b3 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Yuval Weber On 06/01/2017 Eng 8 of 8 Minister of India Narendra Modi. Weber was surprised that Page would meet a head of state, but it made him less surprised about the rumor of Page meeting Sechin. (U) Related to the dossier, Ithe plausibility of the allegations that the Russian Federation initially started monitoring Trump when Russian oligarchs first began moving money into real estate in the US, specifically New that it is likely that the Russian Government would ask Trump about oligarchs moving money into the US. This is how Trump ultimately became comfortable dealing with the Russian Federation as a business man. recommended that the FBI speak to any Russian billionaire who purchased real estate from Trump, including and Kirill Dimitriev. (U) Krickovic will likely attend the International Studies Association conference, which will take place in San Francisco in April of 2018. FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 5- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 02/12/2018 (U) On 1/25/2018 DOV ZAKHEIM, Vice Chairman of the Board for the Center for the National Interest (CNI), was interviewed by Special Agent Intelligence and Assistant Special Counsels Andrew Goldstein and Aaron Zelinsky at the Office of Special 395 Street SW, Washington, DC 20024. Accompanying ZAKHEIM were Counsel, from Baker Hostetler, LLP. After attorneysl Iandl being advised of the identity of the interviewing officials and the nature of the interview, ZAKHEIM provided the following information: b6 b7C b5 per b5 per (U) Henry Kissinger is the Honorary Chairman of the Board of b5 per Investigation on File by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not 01/25/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Datedrafted b6 b7C b7E FBK to be distributed outside your agency. (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Dov Zakheim 3011 01/25/2018 ,Page per FBK I b?7E (REV. 05-08-10) Interview of Dov Zakheim ,On 01/25/2018 ,Page per FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b?7E Continuation of FD-3 02 of (U) Interview of Dov Zakheim 3011 01/25/2018 ,Page 4 of 5 b5 per b6 b'b7A b?7C b5 per b6 b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) Con?nua?onofFI?SOZof (U) Interview of Dov Zakheim 3011 01/25/2018 b7E ,Page per DOJXOIP b7C FBK (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/27/2018 4 of 20 ,Page [In this conversation, BURT told SIMES b7A b7E I suggested establishing a high?level channel between PUTIN and TRUMP or between PUTIN and a high?level official within the TRUMP administration.I I IIBURT requested that he and SIMES see KUSHNER about establishing this high?level channel between PUTIN and the TRUMP administration.I I ISIMES also told BURT that what was being proposed was not a good idea. (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/2018 Jag SIMES told KUSHNER the best way to approach b7A foreign policy would be to rgani7e a small group of foreign nolicv b7E experts to meet with TRUMP. SIMES wanted the small group of foreign policy experts to meet With TRUMP to develop a foreign policy approach that was consistent with TRUMP's voice. SIMES thought KUSHNER was comfortable with suggestion. b5 per b3 b7A b7E SIMES noted the immediate objective of forming a small group of foreign policy experts to meet with TRUMP was to help with TRUMP's foreign policy b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Dimitri Simes 03/08/2018 Continuation of FD-302 of On Page Ithe formation of a small group of foreign policy experts to assist on TRUMP's foreign policy speechb7A b7E i-tm1-sm1278}-1357 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/20l8 Jag SIMES exchanged several telephone calls with SESSIONS and DEARBORN b7A regarding foreign policy speechb7A b'b7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/20l8 Eng b7C Regarding the venue for TRUMP's foreign policy speech event, SAUNDERS looked at a variety of different options. ?5 Per I SAUNDERS looked at the MAYFLOWER HOTEL and the NATIONAL PRESS CLUB (NPC) as venues for the event. SIMES had a lot of discussions with CNI Board members about where to host the event so as to minimize the impression that CNI was endorsing uring these Board member discussions, CNI deCided to have THE NATIONAL INTEREST host the event in an effort to minimize the impression that CNI was endorsing TRUMP. With THE NATIONAL INTEREST as the host, the event was more or less a press event, so NPC was a natural fit for venueb7A b7E 1:360 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Dimitri Simes 03/08/2018 Eng 13 of 33 b5 per b3 b7A b7E SIMES spoke to MILLER a lot over the phone about changes made to the I the changes SIMES and MILLER discussed over the phone I were substantive changes to the speech. SIMES never saw an actual draft of foreign policy speech. He and the TRUMP campaign exchanged draft outlinesb7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/2018 Jag b7E 19 of 33 b5 per b3 b7A b7E When SIMES agreed to move the event from the NPC to the MAYFLOWER b7A b7E Approximately one week before TRUMP's foreign policy speech event, b5 per SIMES told KISLYAK about the event. SIMES told KISLYAK that he would include him on the list of invitations for the event, also told KISLYAK that he (KISLYAK) as well as the pre?speech reception. would have an opportunitv to meet SIMES b3 b7A b7E (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/2018 Jag advance of TRUMP arriving, SIMES and SAUNDERS discussed having a receiving line for TRUMP so that TRUMP could meet everyone at the pre- speech reception. SIMES and/or SAUNDERS did not coordinate the idea of a receiving line with the TRUMP campaign. SIMES decided a receiving line was a good idea, so one was quickly organized when TRUMP arrived. SIMES did not know most of the members of Congress attending the pre?speech reception, so SIMES asked SESSIONS to introduce them. SESSIONS agreed to do so. SESSIONS stood next to TRUMP introducing each member of Congress. After SESSIONS each member of Congress to TRUMP, SIMES stood next to TRUMP and introduced each individual to TRUMP, ISIMES introduced KISLYAK to TRUMP. The introduction was general, but it was positive and friendly. It was clear to SIMES that b3 KISLYAK and TRUMP had just met each other for the first time. b5 per b3 b6 b7A b7C b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Dimitri Simes Continuation of FD-302 of On 03/08/2018 ,Page b7A b7E SIMES did not recall seeing KISLYAK at the lunchb7A b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Dimitri Simes ,On 03/08/20l8 Jag When SIMES set up the meeting with KUSHNER, he told KUSHNER in general that they would discuss b3 information SIMES had on CLINTON, and that b7A it came from U.S. official b7E ISIMES b6 b7C thought KUSHNER was not very interested in the information and said they were old recycled stories. SIMES later provided this information at a small group meeting organized for SESSIONSb7C b7E b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Stephen K. Bannon (Day Continuation ofFD-302 ,Page Ihad at one time come to Bannon and said he wanted to do something b6 IBannon askedI a b7C good guy,I IBannon wanted to know ifI askedl I . IBannon later found out thatI I I Bannon did not recallI Italking aboutI Ithen. Bannon discussed Iwas going to go over to meet with I Bannon had been working on a proposal to move the Israeli capital to Jerusalem, the Christian right movement, putting money into a 501(c)(4) using UAE money or ?those guys? which didn?t end up happening, and putting together a security conference over in the Middle East in the Spring /Summer of 2017. Bannon last saw Nader 2 to 3 months ago. Bannon had too much going on with the C4 and life in general. Bannon had seen that the Special Counsel?s Office had called Nader to the Grand Jury, but Nader had not reached out to Bannon. b5 per b5 Per DOD b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Stephen K. Bannon (Day Continuation ofFD-302 ,Page 24 of 37 b5 Per DOD When shown a photo of Rick Gerson, Bannon stated that this was the college roommate of Kushner, and that he was pretty sure he was the hedge fund guy he referenced earlier. Gerson had a hedge fund on Madison Ave in New York City at Barneys Tower. His office was 2 blocks from Trump Tower on 60th and Madison Ave. Gerson knew a lot about the Middle East and said many b5 Per intelligent things about it. b6 b7C b5 per Bannon thought he heard that Nader was being called into the Grand Jury for the Special Counsel?s Office in the newspaper, but then said that he could be wrong. b6 b7C b5 per b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Stephen K. Bannon (Day Cm?mm?mu?FD602m72) ,On 02/14/2018 26 of 37 1371-! Per b3 b5 Per DOD b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Stephen K. Bannon (Day Cm?mm?mu?FD602m72) ,On 02/14/2018 Per Michael Cohen was one of the lawyers on Trump?s staff. Bannon described Cohen as a fixer and a problem solver. In 2010, Cohen came down to the first meeting Bannon had with Trump and introduced himself as a political advisor. When Bannon was on the Trump Campaign, Bannon did not want Cohen wandering around the Trump Campaign organization. Bannon thought it could get them in a lot of trouble since Cohen goes off ?halfcocked? a lot. Cohen kept trying to get involved in the Trump Campaign. Bannon described Cohen as the kind of guy who thought it would be a good idea to send $130,000 to Stormy Daniels. Bannon reviewed a document Bates stamped Bannon was told ?zero? deals involving Russia and the Trump Organization. Candidate Trump would say he didn?t know any Russians and there was no collusion. This came up during the campaign a couple of times. Bannon never asked Trump about any Russian business deals. In regard to the emails reference to Felix Sater, Bannon stated that this went back to the House Intelligence Committee, that they had a signed term sheet in December 2015 on Trump Tower Moscow. This was a big deal to Bannon, and Bannon described it as a ?big reveal.? b6 b7C b5 per 2.222 . . . . 2222222.. . I . Um HumH UOU Um mum.2.2.. . . 22222222222 . 22. 1.1.1.2222. . 2 . . .22222222 222222222222 22222222222222. . 222.. . .2. 205v1222 .2222.2222222222222222222 . 2222222 . . .22 22 7222252 .2.. I 12.222.22.275? 4551Ir. {55.6.5/5/ . . .5454. . A . {4.14: 5.23.. U45 ?555.2. .154 5x4 . . ?22532 stir 2 (155.. . 1. (555/466,? $22. Um Um @mH U06 Um U40 53.5556m mumH. UOU 5.1} \r a, .. . 2:12.} Lr/rfw?f??fr? mm a. ?mmw?wmi Mum. -M Hm per b7A per b7A per b7A per WW. - of 33 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Daedkmq 07/13/2018 JARED COREY KUSHNER, date of birth was interviewed at the Special Counsel?s Office (SCO) on April 11, 2018. Also present during the interview were KUSHNER's attorneys Ifrom Norton Rose Fulbright US LLP, Senior Assistant Special Counsel (SASC) Zainab Ahmad, SASC Andrew Goldstein, FBI Special Agent b6 FBI SAI The interview began at b7C approximately 9:15 a.m. and concluded at approximately 5:45 p.m. Water was provided to KUSHNER and his three attorneys. Multiple 5? 10 minute breaks were taken. One 30 minute lunch break was taken. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents, KUSHNER voluntarily provided the following informationPer Investigationon 04/11/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Fue# Datedrafted 04/20/2018 b5 b7C by I I 1372 This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 278} 11353 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 Eng 2 of 33 b5 Per SIMES b5 Per I RICHARD PLEPLER, invited KUSHNER to a TIME 135 Per lunch with HENRY KISSINGER and DMITRI SIMES. b7C IKUSHNER remembered this being a time when the campaign was having a hard time getting people to support them. I IKUSHNER admitted to ?pursuing? SIMES. b5 Per b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED Herse- FBK Max:138):- 1:354 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 3 Of 33 b5 Per ,Page Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) HV/Feaa b7E Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page 4 of 33 b5 Per b5 Per reception KUSHNER met KISLYAKI chatted for 1?2 minutes and moved on. KISLYAK saying ?we like what your candidate is saying. their hands, b5 Per thel I shook KUSHNER recalled it?s refreshingPer (Rev 05-08-10) @999) Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne b7E Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page b7A b7C FBK (Rev 05-08-10) #9999) Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne b7E Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page b7A b7C FBK b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 Eng Per UNCLASSIFIED frees- FBK Max:138):- 1,1535% b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 Eng Per KUSHNER did not recall if the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting (TRUMP TOWER MEETING) ever came up during a family meeting. b5 Per b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED H1636- b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 Eng Per where he was trying to get an excuse to get out of tie TRUMP TOWER MEETING. KUSHNER emaill I b6 b7C b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED frees- b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Eng 10 of 33 I KUSHNER did not discuss the TRUMP TOWER MEETING with b5 Per KUSHNERI Ileaving early Per b7A UNCLASSIFIED FBKigcv1278}?1?}52 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey On 04/11/2018 Page Per SIMES and KUSHNER stayed in touch after the CNI Foreign Policy speec?1. b5 Per b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay 12 of 33 b5 Per I Per sent KUSHNER ?memo on what Mr. Trump may want to say about Russia.? I b5 Per IKUSHNER did meet with SIMES in New York at office. KUSHNER had met with SIMES before in his office. KUSHNER never got from SIMES information that could be ?operationalized.? KUSHNER believeb5 Per at that time there was little chance of something new being revealed about the CLINTONS since thev had been public figures for decades. UNCLASSIFIED Ange FBK Max:138):? 1:364 (Rev 05-08-10) b7E (UH-pew Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) ?ea-e) Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page Per DOJIGTP b6 b7A b7C FBK (Rev 05-08-10) Cm?mmt Interview of Jared Corey on ofFD-302 of Kushne On b7E 04/11/2018 15 of 33 Page b5 Per b6 b7A b7C b5 Per FBK b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Eng b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED ?F-eUe- b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay b7C Meetings with Kislyak and Gorkov b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED A3936- b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay meeting with Ambassador KISLYAK, they discussed Syria and having the Russian generals brief said there was not a secure line of communication so KUSHNER asked whether they could communicate using the Russian Embassy. Ambassador KISLYAK quickly said ?no that won?t work.? 105 Per b5 Per b5 Per IKUSHNER told KISLYAK that he wanted to make sure he was speaking with people ?who can make decisions.? b5 Per b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page 19 of 33 IVARGAS told KUSHNER KISLYAK was beingb5 Per very insistent. KUSHNER askedl to see if KISLYAK would meet with AVI BERKOWITZ and ultimately KISLYAK agreed. KISLYAK told BERKOWITZ that KUSHNER should meet with someone else who was a better channel through which to communicate to PUTIN. KUSHNER took the meeting with SERGEY GORKOVI k6 KUSHNER did no prep for the meeting. No one on the transition team googled GORKOV.I b5 Per b6 b5 Per Doab7A b7C The meeting with GORKOV started with GORKOV presenting KUSHNER with two very thoughtful gifts; a bag of dirt/soil from the town in Belarus where family is from and a painting. F??i9?v1278yl?7i I I (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Eng 20 of 33 b5 Per IKUSHNER did not recall anything about bank (VEB) being sanctioned, or any discussions of US sanctionsb7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED /-F-eUe b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 21 of 33 Page b7C Meeting with MBZ and the UAE bsTier b5 Per b6 b7A b7C Jurlng E?e Era?SlElOn, was DElIlg USEO. By ??gl I50 reach out b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay 1072Per UNCLASSIFIED nugge- FBK Max:138):? 1:374 (Rev 05-08-10) ,f-EeH-e) Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne Interview of Jared Corey 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page b7C FBK b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Per Former FBI Director James Comey: b5 Per KUSHNER b5 Per Ihad no recollection of whether TRUMP asked COMEY to stay behind. UNCLASSIFIED Areas- FBK Max:138):? 1:375 (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey b7E Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 IMay b6 Idinner.l I b7c KUSHNER said the first draft of letter reflected the reasons TRUMP wanted to fire COMEY and was the truest representation of what TRUMP said in that dinner. UNCLASSIFIED /-EeUe- (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page Per Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 28 Of 33 b5 Per ,Page Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Jared Corey Continuation of FD-302 of KU hne 3011 04/11/2018 ,Page Per FBK (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey ,On 04/11/2018 ,Page b7E 30 Of 33 b5 Per Statements Regarding June 9, 2016 MeetingPer (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey b7E Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Eng KUSHNER did not recall speaking to TRUMP at all about the meeting b7A b7C UNCLASSIFIED (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay Per two printouts containinq ideas on how to improve US?Russia relations. the document was two or three pages IKUSHNER scanned the documents quickly and gave one each to BANNON and TILLERSON. Neither BANNON nor TILLERSON followed up with b5 Per F3?1??v1278yl?84 b7E (Rev 05-08-10) Interview of Jared Corey Kushner ,On 04/11/2018 Jay 33 of 33 b5 Per UNCLASSIFIED /-EeUe- b7E -l of 5- FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Daedkmq 09/14/2018 Richard ?Rick? M. GERSON, date of birth I Social b6 I b7C Security Account Number Addressl was interviewed at the Special Counsel's Office, Washington, D. C. Present representing GERSON werel Iandl I of Paul Hastings, LLB. The interviewing team was FBI Special Agent IFBI Intelligence Assistant Special Counsel Aaron Zelinsky. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, land GERSON provided the following information: b5 Per I GERSON was aware of Kirill two roles: being tasked by Vladimir PUTIN to develop a reconciliation plan. DMITRIEV told GERSON that he was reporting directly to PUTIN discussions with DMITRIEV were in his own capacityl b5 Per GERSON wasn?t tasked by the transition team and he worked on the reconciliation plan on his own. 135 Per District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) Investiga?onon 06/15/2018 at Washington, I I Datedra?ed 07/17/2018 b3 b6 by I I b7C b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. FBI igCV I 2 78}'1 21 5* b3 b7E (Rev. 05-08-10) I (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/15 ,On 06/15/2018 2 Of 5 b5 Per b6 b7A b7C GERSON did in fact get the two?page paper to KUSHNER. GERSON remembers bringing the plan to KUSHNER in mid?January 2017. IGERSON asked if KUSHNER heard of him, to which KUSHNER replied in the negative. GERSON said the plan was from DMITRIEV, the head of Russian sovereign wealth fund b5 Per IGERSON did give some indication that DMITRIEV had connections, KUSHNER I put the document in a filel IKUSHNER saidl I Ithat he would get it to the right people. I GERSON remembers conveying to DMITRIEV that he had given the document to KUSHNER.I b5 Per b5 Per b5 Per (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/15 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,On 06/15/2018 ,Page Per FBK 19m1278)i-1218 (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/15 b3 b7E ,On 06/15/2018 Per GERSON and DMITRIEV stopped communicating in early 2017, sometime between January and Marchb7C FBK 199561 (Rev. 05-08-10) (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/15 /2018 ,On 06/15/2018 b7E ,Page b7C FBK 1912161 rq3-302 Glev.5-8-10) - 1 C>f 6 - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentry 08/28/2018 Richard ?Rick? M. GERSON, date of birth I Social Security Account Number (SSAN) ofI I Address ofI was interviewed at the Special Counsel's Office, Washington, D.C. Present representing GERSON werel Paul Hastings, LLP. The interviewing team were FBI Special AgentsI I andI I FBI Intelligence land Assistant Special Counsels Jeannie Rhee, Aaron Zelinsky, and Zainab Ahmad. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing agents and the nature of the interview, GERSON provided the following information: b6 b7C b5 Per Jared KUSHNER has been a friend of b5 Per When KUSHNER became involved in the Trump campaign, their friendship continued. GERSON would occasionally bump into KUSHNER and they would talk about the campaign wherein KUSHNER would update GERSON as a i IGERSON helped setup a lunch with Tony BLAIR I b5 Per I Imeeting with the UAE representatives b5 Per Investigationon 06/05/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) by I b7c b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. b3 Rev. 05-08-10 b7E (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/05 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,On 06/05/2018 ,Page IGerson invited BLAIR to attend. The meetingl b7C There werel Ipeople there from the transition teamzl IThere were a lot of people there from the UAE side which included the UAE Ambassador. I b5 Per I b6 b7C (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/05 ,On 06/05/2018 3 Of 6 b5 Per b7C GERSON was put in touch with DMITRIEV through the UAE guys. Ib5 Per IGERSON and DMITRIEV discussed investment opportunitiesl I DMITRIEV wanted economic cooperation with the United States GERSON asked KUSHNER if he heard of DMITRIEV. KUSHNER said no, and GERSON explained that DMITRIEV headed the Russian Domestic Investment Fund (RDIF). GERSONI Iqave KUSHNER the list of ideas. KUSHNER Ithrew it in a file in his desk. KUSHNER said that he would make sure the right people got the list. I FBK 19m1278}-1223 (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/05 ,On 06/05/2018 4 Of 6 b5 Per b5 Per GERSON discussed the possibility of joint investing with RDIF. b5 Per DMITRIEV asked GERSON if he kneb5 Per Erik PRINCE. IDMITRIEV asked if PRINCE was someone important or worth spending time with. I b5 Per FBK 19w12'7832?1224 (Rev, 05-08-10) b7E (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/05 ContinuationofFD-SOZof /2018 ,On 06/05/2018 ,Page Per FBK 19m1278}-1225 (Rev. 05-08-10) I I b3 (U) Interview of Rick Gerson on 06/05 /2018 ,On 06/05/2018 b7E ,Page 6 of 6 b5 Per b5 Per FBK 199561 278}-1225 FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10) -1 of 3- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dateofentiy 07/31/2018 b6 b7C HENRY OKNYANSKY, aka HENRY GREENBERG, date Of birth social security account number was interviewed at the Special Counsel's Office, 395 Street SW, Washington, DC 20546. OKNYANSKY resides atl I Present during the interview was FBI Special Agent FBI SA and Associate Special Counsel Aaron Zelinsky. OKNYANSKY was advised the interview was entirely voluntary and that he could discontinue it at any time. OKNYANSKY was further advised that intentionally providing false statements to FBI Agents was a violation of federal law. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, OKNYANSKY provided the following information: In May 2016, OKNYANSKY met With ROGER STONE. b6 b7A b7C OKNYANSKY arranged the meeting with STONE in b6 b7A 2016. b7C ICAPUTO accompanied STONE at the meeting and provided an introductionJ OKNYANSKY was accompanied by his Ukrainian friend, ALEXEI RASIN, who offered STONE damaging information on HILLARY CLINTON. RAISIN formerly worked for Clinton and was allegedly in possession of financial statements which demonstrated her involvement in money laundering activities with RASIN's companies. STONE inquired about the amount of financial misappropriations related to CLINTON and asked if it was in the amount of millions. RASIN relayed that it was rather somewhere in the amount of hundreds of thousands. STONE ultimately refuted the offer and stated that he did not believe DONALD TRUMP would pay for opposition research information. The meeting then concluded shortly thereafter. 07/13/2018 2n Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person) File b6 b7C Dmemmkd 07/17/2018 by b7A b7E This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not b7A (REV. 05-08-10) b7E Interview of Henry Oknyansky. ,On 07/l3/20l8 Jag 2 of 3 b6 b7A b7C I[Case Agent Note: STONE and CAPUTO openly acknowledged meeting KNYANSKY in the me ia on or about June 17, 2018.] OKNYANSKY stated that the offer of derogatory information on CLINTON OKNYANSKY believed RASIN's motivations were financial in his attempt to sell information to STONE. RASIN also shopped around for additional buyers b6 1 b7A OKNYANSKY admitted that he would have received a cut of the money if they sold it but was unsuccessful in finding any. RASIN was involved in the real estate business in Southern Floridal I b6 He has many b7A companies registered in the United States, b7c ?l b6 b7A b7C OKNYANSKY retrieved his cell phone and obtained the following contact information for the interviewing Agents: b6 b7A b7C MICHAEL CAPUTO - b7A (Rev. 05-08-10) b7E ContinuationofFD-3020f (U) Interview of Henry Oknyansky. On 07/13/2018 3 of 3 Page Iandl IFBI SAI IBoth were stationed in the b7c field office. OKNYANSKY was close tol and became emotional when discussing helped OKNYANSKY OKNYANSKY also is friends with relayed that Iandl lwere all aware of his meeting at the Special Counsel's Office. OKNYANSKY used to communicate withl IFBI Special Agent . b6 OKNYANSKY advised that he still maintains contact with many individuals who may be of interest to the FBI. b6 b7A b7C At the beginning of this interview, OKNYANSKY was asked about :3 A b7C b6 b7A b7C OKNYANSKY then discussed