Default Report Wake CO PS MVP Mathematics Curriculum Survey FY20 November 2, 2019 11:23 AM EDT Q2 - How did you first learn about the MVP math curriculum? Information provided by my child's teacher/school Through reports in the local media (TV, newspaper, etc.) I did not receive information about the MVP math curriculum when it was introduced Other (please specify) 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 # Field Minimum Maximum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 How did you first learn about the MVP math curriculum? Selected Choice 1.00 5.00 3.38 1.74 3.04 2,742 # Field Choice Count 1 Information provided by my child's teacher/school 31.44% 862 2 Through reports in the local media (TV, newspaper, etc.) 13.49% 370 3 I d d not receive information about the MVP math curriculum when it was introduced 45.73% 1254 4 Other (please specify) 9.34% 256 2742 Showing rows 1 - 5 of 5 Q2_4_TEXT - Other (p ease specify) Other (please spec fy) Moved to wake county this year Other (please spec fy) My friend who has a son in my son's class to d me about it After watching our Math Honors son strugg e in Math for the first time, we began to research on it. A public court case I first learned from a friend with a daughter in math 1 who was struggling with the MVP curriculum last year. Other parents Daughter provided information about MVP Fr ends with older kids I may have received info but don't remember it When my child came home from school and started having trouble. Two of these above - the news and did NOT receive any nfo about it when it was ntroduced My daughter told me about it when she was taking Math 1 in 7th grade Parents from other students/parents word of mouth The teacher mentioned the name of the curriculum dur ng Meet the Teacher day. There was no further explanation. Not sure social media I do not know anything about this Other parents Today in this survey Other parents An emp oyee of wake cty other WCPSS parents Our student & then teachers we interacted with to learn more about the program Other (please spec fy) I teach math in Wake County From other parents Other parents my child friend Other parents word of mouth Child's Class My Son has complained to me about it. Fami y recently relocated to the area and learned of the curriculum as my sons began their school year and immediately began to struggle. (Usually honor students - Middle school (Math 1) and sophomore (Math 2)). This does not ring a bell. Fr end mentioned it I don t remember receiving information. From my daughter Not sure I received information Through my child child brought home booklet for each unit When my child started the class and immediately started to fai Student mentioned it in passing. By reviewing my son's homework It was introduced as a new trial program without any descriptions My 11th grader at mbhs From my child Another parent Other (please spec fy) I am a student taking it. Parents of other students. Heard if from my child who sa d the methodology makes simple concept more complicated and confusing. my child telling me Educational Colleagues I learnt from my daughter I am a WCPSS employee My student began struggling n math for the first time n her school experience. When I met w th the teacher she explained that there was a new program being used in which she was not allowed to show the students how to do new skills. They were supposed to discover ways to do the math problems through group work with their peers. my child I am a WCPSS employee. Children My children and their friends My child Looking at the curriculum and compar ng prev ous curriculum used Through word of mouth from other parents. My son does not know what this is either Through my son My child started bringing home the workbooks. Out middle school did not explain the curriculum. When our oldest got to high school. They did have a Math night and went over MVP My son brought the workbook home My child told me how bad it was. Fr end I received nformation when my daughter complaining about a new math lesson that she did not understand My Child in 9th grade math Other (please spec fy) child The email I just got from WCPSS I teach in Wake County, so learned that way. friend that was displeased ith the curriculum My child My child My sons grades had dropped drast cally from math1-math2 It was very limited information provided when my children first began Word of mouth through others w th ch ldren in the course A friend whose son was using t. He has been an A student and was then struggling. Don't recall child told me about it. bc I am a spec ed teacher and needed the mvp math 1 training to be the ICR, that's when I lea ned what it was Fr ends Just saw workbooks my ch ld brought home. Fr end Looking at the booklets that came home Did not pay attention Teacher, news media reports and my child Compla nt from Child From child's tutor From my child, who was frustrated and distraught with math which has always been her favorite and best subject. From a parent's complaint of her student's struggle with the class Wake County Other (please spec fy) Parent FaceBook group friends/acquaintences I am not aware of MVP math. I st ll need information Fr ends talking about it and my child in it My neighbor who goes to the high school when my child started Math I class as a 7th grader open house facebook group Lawsuit against MVP n the media Preview at WCPSS When my child was struggl ng in Math I met with the teacher who expla ned the program and how difficult it has been for the students. When my daughter starting failing and I contacted the school to see what was happening! When my above average student was consistentl getting D’s and we looked into the problem Not sure if I received information, may have but do not remember Fr ends with kids going through mvp, especially math 2 and 3, have their A students drop to suddenly failing (before the curve). Child's math grades suddenly dropped. Looked for answers. Learned about MVP math when we were reviewing resources at the charter school where I work. Casual Neighborhood discussions When my daughter was having difficu ty, I found out from her tutor. My son had the MVP curriculum material for Math 1 Word of mouth From an antiMVP Facebook group Facebook group email Other (please spec fy) My child teachers at my school my child Online discussion groups , articles, Parents with older k ds complaining Student I’m a teacher Information provided by parents of students my tutoring business services. When we transferred to WCPSS When I was teaching about 2 years ago I think it was mentioned but it had little meaning. new to district, was never informed about this curriculum I found out when my child brought home the book and then when i attended open house. Meet Teacher N ght Self research of the company that provides MVP as well as reviewing parent feedback where this was introduced first and locally I observered my child working from a booklet instead of handouts. all of the above I did not rece ve any communication about MVP. Furthermore, teachers do not teach anything of value in class. My child has to go for tutoring to understand basic concepts that should have been taught in schoo . My chi d and I are extremely frustrated and d sappointed with the way Math is being taught at school. My child s not doing well n Math. Also, tests contain quest ons on concepts not yet taught. Very bad teachers! Something needs to change NOW!! We were told that is what you teach now And the local media. from a friend that has had to tutor countless students due to the poor curr culum choice New to NC schools teacher friend Just now Other (please spec fy) I read about it, seeking the information myself when we moved here frorr_ This questiomaire is on conparing MVP curiculun to the previous cur culum which is not helpful at all to fam lies who have transferred from other places I would say definitely that having a cu?riculun that includes a textbook wodd be more helpful than the unguided workbooks provided here. Our child is lucky since my husband and I both have math backgromds I we are able to explain and teach her. I can't imagine this is the case for most students and will only serve to increase the learning gap between at risk popdations and those who have outside resouces From parents whose children were taking it last year Parent information session several weeks into schoo last year. Minimal informat on given other then being told that it was different and teacher would not be doing problems on the board. This email as the first me I've heard of it. My child We are new to the area I don kno anything about it My child informed us When I found out my chi was struggling in the class. I'm a school employee From my child My daughter I am a teacher with a chi in high school so I learned about it from comty/department meetings Externa math tutor I first learned of it in an IEP meeting. I learned when my child entered public school and was en olled in Math honors last year I am a employee my daughter was enrolled in MVP Math 1 in Middle Schoo . I have ?rst hand experience in this fai ed curricdum. my daughter had to retake Math 1 in high school because she learned nothing Math 1 in middle school. Social media no idea hat is My child told me about it. At the park from another parent Other (please spec fy) These questions are not the best to assess the problem. You haven’t allowed for specific response to provide the best insight my child I’m fairly new to the area. I realized math was different for my student but did not know the name was MVP. Fr end informed me Possibly a generic letter My child WCPSS Mathematics Curriculum Survey I had to research myself. This program is an ineffect ve and detrimental to our children. Facebook That system of learning math s awful, especially when the teacher is not of any help whatsoever. I had to teach everything to my child. She is taking Math 3 next semester and I am petrified! Other parents complaint about its difficu ty You are asking the wrong questions The rigor is too high because decIphe ing poo ly written disorganized textbooks a e a challenge to anyone Teachers providing and parents accessing the information is not the problem. The problem is the lack of structure, direct instruction and practice problems. t is d sheartening that WCPSS is spending even more money to blame their mistake on others rather than rect fying it. I received an email from WCPPS I am a math 1 teacher as well as a parent. I watched my son and daughter’s math grades fall over the period of them being in MVP Math. My son’s scored barely a 4 on his EOC test after always scoring a 5. He was very underprepared for that test. My daughter continues to struggle with this curriculum. An example of her struggle is making a 95 on a recent quiz and then failing the unit test which she stud ed for in advance. Her conf dence in her math skills is falling drastica ly because of this curriculum, it is not her teacher who has no choice but to teach this horr ble curr culum Began investigation once my child began struggling so drastically for the first time in her life research once my child was struggl ng From my school as a teacher I heard other parents who are friends of mine talk about how their straight A math kids were suddenly start ng to fa l math, usually by math 2. I tutor high school math. Through a local tv news art cle and confirmation of ask ng my son. First on the news then only by the workbooks brought home. No teacher or adm nistrator has reached out and MVP as not discussed during open house Other (please spec fy) Through WCPSS Math Dept meetings wcpss employee I paid no attention. My child explained the learning process but did not uae the term "MVP At the Academy of Engineering meeting from the math teachers What is it? Parent conversations the year prior to my student’s first year of MVP My child was in Math 1 when the new curriculum was in place Never received info before this curriculum began I am a teacher, I learned about it through wcpss info My AIG son suddenly was struggling in Math and when I started asking questions, t was told to me that it was MVP and we weren’t the only family suddenly struggling. My child told me about it New to NC so we’re not familiar with this curriculum Our childcare from pr vate schooling into high school math 2 honors. During a parent/teacher conference Open House Through this survey. Social media I’m a teacher when Wake County was making a selection between MVP and Core Plus It is important to note that prior to MVP the county did not have an adopted curriculum and was instead using CMAP hich was district developed worksheets These lacked the coherence that you would typically see in textbooks and curr cula. Bring back traditional math, math that out entire nfrastructure is based on And parent conversations My child who usually excels in math began strugg ing, prompting me to determine what changed between my older sons and his curriculum. Other (please spec fy) Just now... I heard about the flipped classroom model at orientation night. I learned that it was called MVP when my child was asked to be a part of a focus group. Through talking to other WCPSS parents Social Media Math Parent information group I attended the early info sessions on the two curricula Do you not like it kids are failing school website, teachers Teacher-My AG student has continually struggled without direct teacher instruction. We do not like this curriculum at all. Not sure when it was introduced...we moved here two years ago. Wcpss website Emai notification Social Media email I didn’t know anything about it My child asking for help I've never heard of MVP and I do not know if that is what my son is taking or in or not. Either this s a mistake or it hasn't be suff cient y explained or marketed. My won is on something called compacted math. f that is MVP, I've never heard it called that. My child only not the school or teacher My child was enrolled in Math 1 using MVP the first year it was implemented Colleagues My child went from a B student to failing This curriculum I flawed, leaving the kids lost Even the math teacher said it was a bad program I spent several hundred dollars on tutoring and my chi d still failed math 2. my child We moved to NC from California after the new program started. We earned about it when we questioned why our straight “A” math-strong student was suddenly struggling in her favorite subject. I don t recall how I first learned about it. I keep on top of school information so it could have been al of the above. Other (please spec fy) I was not provided with much info. I was told about it by my chi d as well as other parents and through social medoa I was exposed to curriculum as a substitute teacher in Wake County Lawsuit against MVP reported in the media Meeting at WCPSS offices Facebook group Heard about it from another parent in the school. New to NC , I dont know enough about MVP math from my child I just wasn t aware of what it was called Teacher + news My child Media Wake County School website Another parent My child I teach hs math Q14 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Learned about it through exce lent reporting in N&O. That led to discussions of the curriculum with my son last year about Math I and this year Math I . I found out when I asked my daughter when she was going to take trigonometry, and she didn't know what I was ta king about. She referred to her Math 1, Math 2, Math 3 classes. If I had known what was about how MVP was to be implemented, I would have withdrawn my child. I found out about it after my daughter s grades dropped. I b amed her for not working when it was WCPSS lack of teaching and poor choice in curriculum. Actually - I heard about MVP from all of the top 3 choices above. I was disappointed that we hadn t heard anything about it. I still don't believe I've received anything that explains how t is different/better. Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. I have been following the media reports regarding this issue and am very concerned about the curr culum and about WCPSS doing business with a company that sues parents for voic ng their concerns. Since parents are WCPSS's customers, I'm appalled that WCPSS continues to do business with a vendor that behaves in the way being reported. It's certainly an ndicator of their values and integrity. I found out when my child said they were learn ng new math concepts in a peer group first, versus the teacher lecturing on the proper technique first then going to peer groups. Sounded backwards to have the students teach themselves first... I disagree ith outsourcing th s kind of process to a pa d entity. I had to ask my child about what the new program was We just moved to Raleigh/Wake county this summer When we enrolled and met with the guidance counselor, she had no information to share with us (was very unhelpful, because I asked). My son had taken Algebra I in his old school district so how this trans ated was (still is) a mystery to me. back to school night We've had four children go through WCPSS over the years so we've seen change. The biggest by far was when our youngest hit middle school. He sa d that he felt "stupid" and he had a strong dislike for math class. We found a tutor and used him weekly, then twice a week. $60 a week to get this child, who had always en oyed math, through a class that he dreaded He h t High School this year and loves it! One reason for that is that he doesn't have math until next semester where he will retake Math I, his teacher's recommendation a though he did eke out a C last year. MVP s the most convoluted mess I've ever seen. Seems they are looking to get rid of teachers and replace them with glorified bouncers. We have already looked into private schools and will most ikely switch over next year if MVP stays. Many arguments, specially cons. I do not feel that schools have done a good job about educating parents about this program, how it may be a different approach than traditional math including the teaching format. Parents have not be helped to understand how we can help our kids hen struggling. This seems to be a huge oversight by the school district. Parents with older children complained about it. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Wow who knew about this. As a parent I didn't. Not surprising though. Public schools We are new to and our original introduction to the MVP math curriculum was through the news media. At meet the teacher she said if the kids come home telling you I'm not teaching them, that's basically true due to the new cu?riculum I didn't find out about the curriculum until my child was a full year into it, and there was a meeting to discuss at our school (Apex Friendship HS). Horrible. He had and ?mked when this program began. I didn't know the name of the program or the style. I just figured he would be able to handle it. The kids that passed in other classes (friends) have told me, it's because their teachers taught and then put them in groups. This style of learning is great but ridiculous in a very b &wh, right or wrong subject matter like rnath. What were thinking? I teach biz, com in higher ed. 0k in some of those. But Math? Now my kid has to retake and has no foundation because of starting with this pilot program in 8th grade. I had honor society student tutor failed, his teacher ensued him and worked with him on a study guide. Perfect inside and out, failed. Finally paid hundreds I didn't have for a tutor online daily who was an engineer (by chance), knew/took all math courses. Would look at my kids homework and eventually study guide and last test (only allowed to take home for final exam) and was floored by both questions given, what was marked incorrect, and wasn't clear why credit wasn't given for correct answers. Could only come up with the process required wasn't followed?. To make matters worse, I with teacher and guidance counselor. was treated horribly by counselor especially? despite my asking how to help him more. I asked specifically if anyone else was struggling N0. They lied. Never mentioned this program. Burnt out both. My kid pays the price. I'm not an idiot. I have 2 higher ed degrees, teach, train, among a host of other things. We are in a city - not in rural America. But as a single mom, no personal details, I won't deal with that counselor my kid has for remainder of hs. They won't switch to someone else but I've never tolerated being treated that way. I won't have retaliatory behavior, which absolutely happens as a result of my frustration All caused by this curriculum. And no one in house willing to respond to a question. This has taken his gpa down and ruined relationships for the entirety of a high school career- and where are these kids to get the foundational info if they started with the program in 8th grade. Forgive my language but they are all screwed? unless one of the lucky ones who got a teacher who realized how ridiculous a subjective way to teach had no place in a black and white smject matter/math. Any board positions available? YoWe done these kids a horrible disservice. Now you should figure out a way to make it up to them and their transcripts. No pass fail, and teach them something! And be sure they get teachers who aren't burnt to a crisp. I'm happy to wa the halls and point them out. I have to write emails regularly bcc'ing VP to tell teachers I do not want them cursing, saying Shut Up, yelling at my kid for holding up a bendy ruler, My kids are respectful and will be treated that way. Role models are imperative at this age and if I'm treated this way about this curriculum, I can only imagine how much more the kids are treated. Glad you asked? Wake County. #zerotoleranceteacherbullies #provideteacherswhoteach My son went to private school. He began high school in 2018?19. I did not know it was a new curriculum. I just thought he had a bad teacher (wouldn't show him how) and that he had not been prepared from his other school. minimal information provided; I have now inquired from my children. They have not been inpressed. So many changes have been made with Math during my daughter's schooling that I can't keep up with what is new. Beginning in about 2nd grade (she's now a freshman in high school) when she was introduced to Common Core Math I lost all ability to help her with homework. And I have a graduate degree. I have heard about it through students the news. I have not heard heard anything positive about it. My daughter was taking Math 2 (and new to plblic school) and would come home frustrated and trying to explain how her math class was going as we were discussing her less than stellar grades. We saw the news piece one night and I told my husband that the students that they were interviewing were describing the same frustrations/confusion/poor grades that our daughter had been describing daily. That is when we finally had a name to put with the math 2 program that ou daughter was taking. MVP I heard about the change AFTER my child completed the class. That came from the media and other parents whose children struggled. Such a bad process and experience. I researched MVP more in depth when my child started to show signs of not understanding the material. This is our first year at Wake County. My child is a Duke TIP kid and has always been in top 5% of standardized math tests. This curriculum is awful! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I heard something about a HS in Cary where the students were getting lower grades than they ever had and this was impacting their transcripts/class rarir at a highly cormet'rtive HS. I understand the program to be one that focuses more on the conceptual understandings that should be learned prior to sinply being given the algorithm Perhaps a program like this shodd begin w/ elementary implementation and then be worked up through the grades with those grows of students who have grown accustomed to it? I don't know. I have no idea what the program is. Will be a good concept for my children that are already performing above average in math I feel that my current 8th grader has been taught both ELA and Math with new and very different curriculum This is to her disadvantage because I know as a former teacher it takes a considerable amount of time for teachers to master new and different curriculun. In my case, it was about the 4th year before, I as a teacher, was confident it the new way of doing things. In my case it was learning to teach with the methods used in PRIMARY YEARS OF THE IB program My daughter is taking math 1. She does best with lots of teacher instruction and the MVP math program does not provide her that support.Also, my son is taking Math 3. His strength is rmth. He is struggling to get a B. He does not like the program and thinks he had bad teachers. But most likely they are doing their best to follow the instructions of the cu?ricdum Last year, I was made aware of MVP from parents of older students. Now, my child is in Math 1 and I am understanding their concerns. Wake county very rarely sends anything home about the curriculum, they'll talk about anything but it, but you never are told when changes are made My daughter was homeschooled for middle school so we did not have experience with it. Now she is a freshman? and will take Math 2 honors next semester. I don't recall don't informational sessions offered at my child's school. Have MathI and 3 students. I did not receive any informtion on MVP math. My daughter started suffering severely in math and I had to get a tutor (she had never had this issue until this year, her first year with MVP math) so I looked into it and found out about it that way. When my child was in 7th grade, she heard about MVP while she was taking an advance 7th grade math class and did some research about it. Then, she informed me about the program My son took MVP Math 1 in 6th grade and his teacher mentioned during Open House night that there was this curriculum they were using called MVP, but she did not explain how it was different from previous curriculum. I have read articles in the paper about how upset students and parents are about this curriculum and do not understand why Wake County is using it. Who developed this curriculum? Were they experienced teachers? I've heard that a for-profit organization developed this curriculum and am suspicious of it. Would love to receive information and know if it affects my child I was never ever informed by that a new ?test? curriculum would be used. Found out when my kid began to struggle and corrplain about math after being A math student. Looked at the workbooks and thought they were bizarre and incormrehensible. Didn't see actual math in them Started asking aromd in school and social media and found thank goodness my kid was not the only one who suddenly became math illiterate. All were struggling. I wasn't told the name of the new curriculum at meet the teacher night only that there was a new math curriculum at Sanderson High School. Heard about it though child/student I am maware of this curriculum Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The TV report that I heard on TV was very controversial, ie. a lawsuit involving MVP. This was the first time I heard of it. I don t kno about MVP anything. I just came to kno about this curriculum by this survey. I am not upset that I was not informed I have no background in education so I don't feel qualified to make those decisions. What is the MVP curricu um? When was it introduced? Which of my kids are e ta king about here? I only recently heard about this program from a parent at another high schoo Apex Friendship It made sense the way she explained that teachers aren't suppose to teach and kids are supposed to learn th s on the r own and through groups. It makes sense now since all the kids say the teachers are awfu in Math 2 and Math 3 and don't help. It doesn't appear our kids even know about MVP math and they are in it. I knew my child as enrolled in the program but the issues of the program were brought to my attention via media. I heard about it years ago when it was introduced at other schools, and also I did not receive information about the MVP math curriculum when it was introduced at our school The videos I learned about from a parent When the schoo year started (and in t me for Open House) there was no math 2 teacher. Have not heard anything about this program. Because I wo k for Wake schools I was made aware from Math Dept Seems alot of money, time and resources are going into changing, implement ng and fail ng at executing, while our students are the ones punished. Why not ask the teachers, what they want and how the TEACHERS see this would be best for their students. Yes, home office is great. You lack the classroom know edge of a consistent schedule Crazy you spend our money this way! I was looking for a course syllabus at the start of the semester when I stumbled across MVP. I had no idea what it was. Certa nly no one from the school br efed me. Since there is no place in the survey for general comments I am putting them here. My main complaint about the MVP program is that the order of topics makes no sense at all. I have a BS in Physics with a minor in Math I can do all the math in the courses. The topics jumped from compound interest to graphing parabolas with no transition or connection The flow seemed entirely random The Ready Set Go sections were not related to each other - at least not in any way I could figure out. The math is solid. The r gor is good but the organization needs a lot of ork. Our child entered 9th grade as a student that had al ays tested in the top 1%-2% of the state in math through middle school. When he was struggling with the Honors Math he took in 9th grade we learned more about the teaching methods and better understood why we had a problem I first learned about it from my daughter who was thrown into hyster cs taking MATH 1 and was having to teach herself until midnight each night. And she LOVES math - until MVP. I have read nothing but horrib e things about the MVP program. My child has been in a private school from 2nd-9th grade. She just switched to WCPSS for 10th. She as in all honors classes at her pr vate school, ach eving higher than a 95 average in all classes (Principal's A ard). We wanted a bigger school for her, and planned to switch her to WCPSS However we started seeing, hearing and reading all about MVP this summer, and almost pulled out of switching her to WCPSS. Ultimately, she did switch to WCPSS for 10th. Her school wouldn't count her 9th grade geometry from her previous school. Thus, she is in Honors Math 2 this semester and taking Honors Math 3 next semester. I think that she is doing well in these classes only because of her amazing math foundation from her private school. She used Saxon Math for the last 8 years. I am a teacher in the private school, and feel that Saxon Math is an amazing program. I am not sure why WCPSS is using a program that has terrible reviews nationwide You are doing a huge disservice to all WCPSS students by using MVP Math, and even more so because you are digging your heels in about this program. If it had better revie s nationwide, I might be able to understand your adamance about using it and keeping it. Ho ever, there are no positive revie s We entered Wake County Public Schools in the 2017-2018 school year, 9th grade, and my son was placed in Math 2, after complet ng Honors Algebra 1 and Honors Geometry in his m ddle school years Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I went to an open house at my child’s school and the teacher did mention he was given a new curriculum that he would be teaching in math 1. Ho ever, he would have to learn along with the kids since it was new to him. He left half way through the school year or leave teaching completely. So they had to suffer through with a brand new teacher It was not ideal. We talked with our teacher and principal about the curriculum after our daughter, who completed compacted Math with outstanding grades, began to struggle in Math 1 that was taught with MVP At a parent teacher night, my son's Math 1 teacher shared that the curricu um she would be using was brand new but I wasn't aware how different the teaching methods would be. Had heard from other parents and news reports that MVP was basically a self-taught experince for the students. This program was totally misrepresented as an advanced math class in Midd e School. Nothing was said about not teaching. Had I had any information on th s failed program, I ound never have allowed my daughter to take it in the 8th grade. When MVP sued a parent for question ng the effectiveness of the program. Any vendor that would sue parents for criticism should be dropped immediately from further consideration. Despite my feelings about MVP as a company, I have revie ed the materials my child has and discussed it with her teacher I do not believe it is an improvement over more traditional teacher led instruction and textbooks It appears less complete and comprehensive--fewer examples, and practice problems. It was in speaking to other parents that I was informed of a new math curr culum. I was not informed by the school or the board. The news reports stated coming out prior to my daughter start ng high school so that is hy I heard about it in the media first. We transferred to Wake county schools this year. MVP was introduced as a curriculum with very little parent input or knowledge. This is a ridiculous idea. Counting on students to figure out how advanced math works by themselves is very irresponsible, g ven some kids barely know fraction. I initially learned about it from my daughter complaining how awful it was Then a couple weeks into school there was an Open House that my child's school had, the speaker of the math session basically said "We're moving to new curr culum, but I don t kno much about it until we've had it longer. I just got the material myself." So it wasn't actually explained, rather just introduced. We are new to the public school system once my child started Math 1 I got information...but nothing prior to that...so nothing when it was Introduced Learned about it at Open House, was so disappointed to see this in the math classroom. My son, who always excelled in math, began to fail tests. I started to research what the change was and found t was MVP math. I don t recall any kind of distribution of information. If this is what replaced common core I knew they were wanting to move from that horrible concept We were not made aware of any changes until open house night for Math 3 when I specifically asked if the curriculum had changed. First ive heard of it here I don t kno anything about the MVP math curriculum Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I learned of the curriculum shortly after school started hen the school Di lard Drive Middle) hosted a Math 1 Curriculum Night Our son first took it in midd e school as Math 1 for the entire year Both ch ldren are in advanced (above grade level) math classes. I have never heard of the MVP program until this email, and I communicate daily with my kids about their curriculum and school work. What is the MVW exactly? Can info be sent home to parents to learn about what this is? The first I heard of MVP was through a fr end whose daughters grade in math had gone from straight A's to an F. Then at 'meet the teacher' my child's teacher mentioned the MVP curriculum. and reports in radio After hearing about MVP from other parents, I read news accounts about the program. My son's 8th grade Math 1 teacher ntroduced the idea to parents but then continued to teach w/o using much MVP. Thank God. I'm assuming there was informat on sent home about MVP but I honestly don't recall. t wasn't until I started seeing posts/information from parents about the program that made me realize that's what it as. It a so helped explain why my previously A-math student was barely getting Cs before we invested in a tutor last year who would actually TEACH the concepts and provide practice problems BEFORE assigning homework My student at that time returned to As. Pr or to my child attending high school, I heard serious concerns about MVP math. A level students ere getting C grades and below. Students required additional math support and/or tutoring to simply pass the class. I heard about parent lead meetings with administrators at our local h gh school. None of the parents were satisfied with the outcome. I have heard about one student speaking on behalf of his class at Wake County School System. This raised major concerns for me as a parent as do not want my child to lack math skills nor do I want negative grades to impact her ability to attend the co lege of her choice. asked this question at 9th grade open house about this exact issue. While it appears that Wake County has recently tr ed to change ho MVP is being used, the core problem st ll exists. In fact, my daughter who is in her first semester in high school had a substitute teacher last week who did not strictly follow the curriculum My daughter came home and said "I actually learned math today " Wake County can and should do better for our students. Cut your losses and move on. there was very little information communicated to parents when the curriculum changed Very itt e communication when this was introduced to parents and family. My son was a freshman and had always done well in math, th s completely changed h s freshman year, he was totally lost and we have yet to catch him back up, grades dropped dramatica ly because of not showing work the way they wanted even if his answers were correct on tests. It has greatly impacted his overall grade point average in high school, he no longer enjoys math at all it is nothing but frustrat on. Teachers were not prepared as we l for this new curriculum, the kids certainly have suffered . Of course most of us did not here anything about this curriculum. We were already upset over common core and begging to go back to ho math has always been taught and then they sneak this p ogram in on our kids that is even worse Yeah, they didn't say a thing I learned of MVP math after numerous discussions with my daughter about her poor math performance and then gained more knowledge when performing google searches. My daughter took Math 2 in midd e school but decided to retake it in high school think ng it ould be more advanced and an opportunity to really master the material It was quite a shock when she told me that the teacher doesn't teach anything and that they work in groups to Figure it out. I then starting doing my research and was shocked that it confirmed what I was being told. I found out from friends at other schools where info sessions occurred. My child has had mvp in Math I II and III. I have never received info about program at either school (middle & high). He complains that learning shouldn’t be from a book. Details about the curriculum weren't very detailed Just that a new method of teaching math was being used Anecdotally we heard that it was hard for the teachers to understand. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This has made our transition so very frustrating and difficult to embrace. Our evening routine s filled with 1-2 hours of math per kid, where after a ong day of work myself, I have to be the one to figure out how to he p/teach them. There are no examples to follow and after 20 years of my college math, I finds myself having to research, watch videos, download apps all to attempt to comp ete a problem - and then don't even know if I am providing them with the correct answer! Their grades are suffering and wonder how this lack of learn ng will effect them when taking college math courses. Also, through friends, ne ghbors, & math tutors My child was in Math 2 honors last year at GreenHope, so we have direct experience. My math 1 student is in middle school and this is her first exposure to MVP. I filled out this survey just prior to now about my current Math 3 student. W th my Math 1 student we were prov ded lots of info prior to the course. (This is the opposite experience as my Math 3 student) I also read the sample materials from MVP program website and evaluated them by myself. We finally learned about the curriculum in Math 2 Honors as a h gh school freshman. The class only lasted 1 semester. My student took Math 1 at the middle schoo level and it was a year-long class where they had additional time and exercises to practice the concepts. My child started MVP math just this year as an 8th grader, but I had heard about the issues through the news last year. In 7th grade, the math curriculum was very poor indeed, and was discouraged to hear that the Open Up Resources curriculum was either created by, or they are in partnership with, the MVP curriculum I had heard so much about in the media. It wasn't really presented to me, I just discovered it either on the website or in some handout at parents' night. The rollout of this to parents was below expectation when introduced in 17/18. Now the program is running, there is enough data, and feedback, to show it is not efficient. We learned about this curriculum after my student who normally had acedba l get math test gor a 70. She was given zero instruction and had to figure it out herself. Generic letter sent to parents I only learned about MVP afte my straight A son was seriously struggling with Math 1 and became very frustrated met with his teacher and principal and that is how I learned about this new curriculum. MVP has dramatically changed his view of math, which he once loved. How does a student go from making high A’s to making a 47?!! Does the state of North Carolina provide a math curriculum? Is t free? Why is WCPSS paying money for curriculum that is a ready provided by the state, but WCPSS only has 3 plumbers for how many schools? I saw where the MVP company was su ng a parent for speak ng out against the curriculum and I saw where WCPSS didn't support the parent. Also my son indicated that the teacher did not teach math concepts but provided math ork to be completed in groups of students. He indicated that a student in his group seemed to understand the math but did not explain it to others. So often she would do the assignment. He learned nothing in this class This MVP is the worst idea since CommonCore It is geared for straight "A" students not the average child I have not received any information about the MVP math curriculum and have no idea what it is. The only way I learned of MVP in Math 1 in the 18-19 school year was when a workbook came home. I was initially pleased that he had something he could use that might help h m organize his work into one place, but then I looked at it and saw typos and was not impressed. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Really took my by surprise how different and challenging this "new" way to teach math was shared. Classroom implementation was extremely d fficult at best - my daughter went from strong As n math to failing for the semester. Very discourag ng for her and me to see the strugg e and realize no one was doing anything about it. I don t kno anything about MVP Math or if my Math 1 student has been taught with it. He attends FVHS and doesn t seem to be struggling with Math at all He’s got an A in the class My daughter took MVP3 at the f rst semester last year at GGHS，we didn't know anything at the beg ning of the term I did not understand that changes being implemented until parents started speaking out publicly against it. My son’s grades fe l drastically and he sa d all “teaching” stopped. They were told to figure out the ork on their own and in groups. We never received any information about this program or what a detriment it would be to our son’s learning or comprehension of math skills. Worst math program ever!!! No teachers at my child school that's permanent My student felt a lot of things were useless and a waste of time. She said that even though she d d fine with it, many of her c assmates didn’t because some of the work seemed unnecessary and they didn’t have time for it all so didn’t learn as much. We a e new to WCPSS I did not rece ve any information, as the f rst year it was introduced, my student was in a Charter school and was not taught MVP Math she was taught NC Math 1 via traditional teaching methods). However, since my student has joined Wake County public schools, I have since been exposed to the materia s she has brought home as part of NC Math 2 (she is a Freshman). I first learned about MVP when my chi d told me the teacher would not answer her questions in math class and that the kids ere teaching each other!! The system is completely against special news students like autism. My soon need to be explain with examp es and be shown how to do it then he will have no Problem and il understand. Now he hate math and have cried several times out of frustration and he is 15 with good grades in all his clases but math. My son’s school NEVER mentioned anything about the process of the MVP I did not understand the true extent of the program when first introduced to it 4 years ago. My son did poor y though he had always been proficient in math. A tutor was needed to understand concepts as they were not taught I met with my sons teacher and she said she supported the program but many children didn’t understand. I thought my child was slacking off all of a sudden. His grades were uncharacteristically low. Noth ng changed after my conference with her. I had to research everything myself. I had no idea that this curriculum had been implemented unt l halfway through the semester when my son told me he might need a tutor. My son is an AIG student, very smart, confident and has never needed he p in any subject so it caught me completely off-guard when he asked for help. After questioning him about his math class, I was very shocked that the teacher did not teach and the students where put in groups to teach one another. If a student had a question then the teacher would not answer it and only answer with another quest on to the student The students have to then come home to watch You Tube videos to try to learn the material!!! Really.... the teacher is not there to babysit the students, they r there to teach the materia !!! I also heard in the media At back to school night She said she is so happy she took math 3/pre calc last year as all of her friends are struggling with the new mvp curriculum. My daughter has younger siblings, I have read and heard from her that mvp is not really teaching math and so many kids struggle, we need to fix this ASAP Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We moved to NC last year and found out about the program when my daughter started school. I attended “meet the teacher” night at my child’s high school. Never once did the math teacher bring up, talk about not explain MVP math. In fact, I only learned spot it from my child. After learning about the program from my child’s teacher, I looked at the curriculum on the MVP site, then did additional research about the program. I learned about it when my child came home saying the teacher does nothing except tell us what task to do in a group for entire class period I my daughter was placed in mvp math her freshman year at green hope. I didn’t feel like I was nformed well at all about how this method of teaching is compared to the old one. Comments from other parents are source of most information. We came into Wake County from another school system when we moved here right before our son's freshman year of high school. At first e did not understand why our son, who had always gotten good grades in math, was struggling and doing poorly. We also didn't understand why he couldn't br ng home tests. Was never provided information by the school until after it was implemented I learned about the curriculum thru my children. I knew they had changed the math program when my oldest son began to struggle on Math after having high A’s in all of his marh classes until his Jr. year. The most information that I received was from my son. As a student he was told they frustrat ng. ould be trying a d fferent way to do math. As a parent, this is This is the orst program ever. My chi d loved math no he hates it. This is the first email I recall about the MVP curriculum (although I could have received info about it before and but don’t recall) I did not rece ve spec fic information about the MVP program I have neve had to monitor my child’s math progress He always performed well on end of grade assessments and grasped math concepts wel overall. He rece ved a C in math for the first time as a freshman taking Math 2 Honors. I as extremely disappointed about the dec ine in his progress. Then, I began to hear the compla nts being raised about the program. I am not easi y swayed to believe one thing or another, but there is definitely a concern when a grade changes s gnificantly Moms never heard of it There was no transition for students to understand how they had learned math in prior years, and what wou d be totally d fferent with the new method of teaching. nothing was sent home about this by the school or the teacher - No awareness or notice that such significant changes in how math is taught were under consideration Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I'm a math teacher, however, I am not currently working in Wake County. I have associates that teach math for Wake county and they give me feedback, on some of their experience teaching Math using MVP. My child is also taking MVP math. I also looked up information about it on the internet A very large number of parent do not know what the acronym stands for, which is a problem when rolling out a new curriculum. Through media reports , local TV reports, my understanding is that the MVP curriculum is rather expensive. There was no parent information sent home that explained the new curriculum or instructional practices. I am an elementary school teacher in Wake County and I had not heard of MVP through my work either. I’m a teacher in wcpss, and I dig to find information about it bc my son was enrolled in the honors version, but struggled bc he explained they had to sit down and do a workbook and they didn’t get a lesson or talk. Brian Kingsley had sent digital resources for parents in an email which I began following, but when I asked the teacher, they were unaware of what resources he had sent. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. My son took Math 1 in 8th grade. His math teacher gave a brief overview at the Meet the Teacher Night. At the time, I did not know anything about the "curriculum" so I didn't know to ask questions or what questions to ask. Wish I had known more at the time!! Although I did not know of MVP, I knew something had changed when my daughter suddenly was not understanding math so had to hire a tutor. $$$ The information provided indicated that supplemental support would be available for parent use. I was unable to find such support. Fortunately, our children are strong in math and have parents with math-related careers. Otherwise we all would have struggled. NA I read about MVP in the Raleigh News and Observer and I also had many parent friends with older children who told me about the new curriculum. Also, I have a friend who is a Wake County substitute teacher (with a specialty in math) who told me about it a year prior to my girls taking the Math 1 class. I still do not know anything about this program but my daughter is not happy with it. She also tells me that many other high school students have complaints. Parent Info night I formation was provided through parents of children who have MVP classes. My son is in MVP Math in 8th grade and no real information was put out about how this Math was taught differently. Once I went to the information session, I did review on my own. Found out how many parents are frustrated with the curriculum and how a parent is being sued for speaking out. And most disturbing is how the school board seems to be siding with the company and not it's constituents. While I am aware that this survey is to evaluate the effectiveness of the MVP curriculum, I would like to use this as an opportunity to point out some other issues regarding curriculum choices and spending in WCPSS. First let me say that is possible that you MIGHT have sent me something about the MVP math curriculum. My daughter may have been in kindergarten, or 5th grade, but you may have sent it. If that makes you feel better, congratulations, you should be proud. It would have been nice to know that the way teaching is being done now is completely different and relies more on the parents and students than on the teachers ( and also relies on google since we as parents were never taught this in school so we have no clue how to do the new curriculum and there is no info sent home for us as a guide to help our children) Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please bring back the or ginal math How are parents suppose to help there children if they were not brought up with this math Non the less it’s ridiculously long for no reason Not in favor of MVP, not effective use of school funds. Look at data. new to the area The teacher also provided informat on I heard about it on TV and how frustrating it was to students and parents There was a very short meeting and the teachers taught a lesson using the method, but I do not feel like there as sufficient time to understand it. My daughter moved here in 8th grade and we were never made a are of MVP prior to her being placed in it. I only heard about MVP last year when my friends child was struggling with it. Not sure what the issue is? I had no idea there was even a curriculum change until heard about it from other parents and then asked my son to show me the materials. My child transferred into the WCPSS from another school this school year. The MVP math curriculum was never exp ained. I am st ll not sure what the intent of the MVP math cur iculum is compared with a tradit onal math curriculum The math is terrible. My child went from a straight A student to making felling grades in math We never heard of it nor were we aware of it, unti several months after our child began struggling with math. My son had been strugg ing with math, when he did fine previously. However, he was telling me that the teacher wasn't teaching, that they we basica ly told to figure stuff out in small groups, and that there was no real book or text to follow. I thought that he was just not app ying himself; until I heard about the MVP program I asked him if he heard of it and he mmediately told me that was the program they were using, and since they had started us ng it, nothing made sense any more The curriculum was just instituted and then parents ere nvited to a meeting about 4-6 weeks into the school year to discuss. She is extremely frust ated with this class and wants to quit Her comments are that the teacher is the e to facilitate while we teach ourselves My daughter has a learning disability and anxiety disorder and group ork s one area that causes her a lot of d fficulty. She went from doing ste lar work in 8th gr. to hardly making a B (80%) in 9th. She stays up ate at night watching Utube v deos trying to teach herself what is not being taught in class This is the orst educational method I have ever encountered at these grade levels. I understand implementing something like this at a graduate level or Jr/Sr undergraduate level but implementing it at a 9th grade leve is beyond their developmental age. Never heard of MVP math curriculum. Horrible!! I have had to pay $100 a week just for extra math help for my child. AT the parent teacher conference, the teacher described the program. By then, most of our A student kids ere already overwhelmed and doing poorly Learning Math on your own by self discover and videos is for home schooled children,etc I asked the teacher if there would be any direct instruct on from her on how to do actually perform the math tasks ..and she said "very little". My 99 avgerag kid in Math 1 with a highly exper ence teacher...struggled all year in math 2 and ended up with a B. She learns very easily when the teacher just teaches the Math. We are now also somewhat challenged in Math 3. .b/c so much as lost last year in Math2. This program is terrible and needs to be scrapped! In public schoo ...teachers should teach. Group work is not for Math...sorry...it's just not. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I had attended the initial or entation meetings at the beginning of year and there the idea of MVP was expla ned. my child had the book but other than that I have no informat on I heard from other teachers about the new curriculum that wou d be mplemented but nothing when my child actual y started taking MVP math No information was provided for Math 2 , MVP class Only when we asked, we were told about the teaching technique. My son's teacher stopped teaching in the middle of the year with mo explanation We thought she'd snapped Turns out this was the changeover from Math8 to MVP math & she wasn't allowed to teach anymore, they had to figure it out on their own. My son went from As & Bs to Fs & Ds. There was absolutely NO communication about this new curriculum!!! I have been c osely fo lowing the MVP issues as reported in multip e counties in mu tiple states across the US. The MVP curriculum does not help al all. My daughter’s grade is a 48 and from her knowledge everyone is failing or close to it. The teacher is also not prepared to teach the class. I am not even arguing with my daughter about her grade. It is pract cally impossible to get a passing grade by anyone. I learned about the program generally from the 8th grade teacher at open house. Then, early in the school year I observed my average child's extreme frustrat on with trying to learn math w th this program. I experienced first-hand the workbook's lack of example problems and the unavailable resources to families to help their children with this math program The struggle to learn app oach of MVP, even when delivered by an experienced teacher (who I think would have enjoyed the latitude to use her educator training and experience), was completely ineffective for my child's learning style. Thanks to this program, my "B" student is now taking an extra math class in high school to rebuild her confidence before moving on to the next level. I would prefer to have rece ved information electronically, via email. I was wonder ng why all of a sudden she was having to work so hard in math & she explained that she was part of the MVP class. Her older brother was not a part of it. When my daughter first encountered MVP in the 8th grade and struggled I came to kno about the curr culum. We now have to hire a private tutor to keep his marks up Hot lunch doesn’t help any because teacher has man other students to help at same time A dad was sued by them for voicing his opinion of the program. So, when was it introduced? I may have received information but it was lost in the overload of other school communication My child was homeschooled and we entered high school his sophomore year. Never heard of MVP Curriculum. Just new it was Math 2 and that my child went from A’s in Algebra 1 and A’s and B’s in Geometry to struggling all year to get a C in Math 2. I thought it was because of be ng homeschooled and not use to the new program until I did not hear anything about the MVP math until parents started complaining. I wish I had been aware of the changes earlier on I would have addressed challenges more proactively for my kids if I had understood what was taking place. MVP is horrible. My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds. He was an Honor student for years. Worst program ever He is learning NOTHING We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My k ds hate it My child took Math 1 in 8th grade last year. My child came home and told me that she was struggling in math and so I did some research. At the same time I as doing my training my daughter was newly enrol ed in the math 1 as an 8th grader a couple years ago in her middle school- and the teacher explained it at the open house night The name of the provider was never socialized only that students would be forced to se f-learn with some guidance from their teacher. I sure w sh I had seen it whi e it was being created....BECAUSE I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! For what possible purpose other than $$ would you do this? It sure didn’t help from what I can see. My daughters teachers informed us during parent teacher n ght, they all (Math 1, Math 2 and Math 3) have expressed they do not like it and do not follow the teach ngs of it. Even at Open House, I felt the teacher seemed uncomfortable talking about it. As if she might lose her job. Workbooks that provided zero explanation. Patents couldn't assist children with work because there was zero info . kids couldn t look up examples etc because there was none Told to use khan academy If child went in for help told to work with another student ZERO teacher help self esteem killer for students who normally do so well. A friend with an older child currently using the curriculum There has never been a parent info night to explain MVP. I guess there was a general announcement that went out from either the county or the school on first implementation, but there wasn't really much info until I saw the booklets come home and I could really learn about the MVP math curriculum My son as a strong student in the area of Mathematics until he entered public school in the Eighth Grade. At that point his grades fell dramatically. Last year, Tenth Grade, he had only a workbook that didn't even have examples of how to complete problems. I have no idea what is being taught. Thankfully, he is in a smaller classroom th s year and his teacher is very knowledgeable and genu nely cares about the students!!! It was not we l explained It was not until so many parents complained that we had a parent meeting. That should not have happened. MVP Math was chosen without any parental input as far as I can tell. The teachers have spoken to say they also ere not consulted. Parents and teachers were given the materials sans training. I didn't know MVP as being taught to my daughter until I heard parents complaining about it. Strongly feel that parents (and students) were left in the dark about this new curriculum. It was not explained or demonstrated. One day my child just came home and said he now has a workbook for math. Students were blindsided by this new type of "teach math to yourself" instruction and not given proper support and resources to help them. Wake Co left them in the DARK and struggling! I never heard of this change until other parents started discussing it Once my child started this math, his math grade plummeted He said the teache s don’t teach it just hand out material and expect the students to work together to come up with strategies to solve problems My daughter used to be strong in math. She said her teacher isn’t teaching anymore. The teacher said th s is part of the curriculum. Why didn’t the school tell the parents? I can’t imagine this is sound educationa practice. Why would WCPSS pick a program that won’t let teachers teach? Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I've never received any information on the curriculum from the school d strict. most of the feedback has been negative - hearing from other parents/kids that they don't feel like they are 'teaching' the kids and that many of the struggle with this style and are worried it will impact their college attractiveness my daughter is ne to the school and now about ~2 mos in and she would echo what we heard before she started 10th grade - that she doesn t feel like the teacher really teaches them in class and they are just expected to figure it out and even if she gets the right answer following a different path, the teacher downgrades her b/c it wasn't the way she was trying to get them to do it I heard about the program from another parent halfway into the school year. Ne ther the school system not the school explained the new curr culum. My daughter was in Math 2 last year and we did not hear about the MVP curriculum until parents were extremely concerned that their students that were straight A Math students their entire lives were now struggling/fa ling in math. Once enough parents raised concern the school had a meeting second semester .after some students had already completed and bombed f rst semester. The meeting was to explain what MVP math is about. That meeting should have taken place the school year prior or at the beginning of the school year so parents and students weren't subjected to an entirely new sty e of math without warning. You can't change the way they have been learning math on them in high school and expect there not to be issues. Never heard anything about it until started looking into why my daughters grades fell f om A/B to D/F The lack of communication and publ c input on such a major change is ridiculous. Children both said the new math program was obscure. I only learned of it through my child and then when I attended the parent teacher night after the school year had begin and my ch ld was in the class. My daughter is typically frustrated with her math homework and is anxious about the topic being covered and her understanding of the topic. I consistently hear “my teacher doesn’t teach me how to do the problems”. My child spends a lot of t me (as do I) researching how to work math problems on her homework. I can understand if there is a topic every once in a while that she struggles with and needs to consult Kahn Academy as an additional resource. However, I feel Kahn Academy and You Tube have been teaching my child math for the last few years. My chi d has loved math and it’s always been a subject she In which she excels; however, that’s no longer the case She cries over her anxiousness before tests and quizzes and even over homework. Did not receive anything from the school regarding this program. When my child grade decreased is when I looked into it. Perhaps the teacher mentioned it at Meet the Teacher but I did not clue in to a specif c curriculum My son did mention a change, and as a student who has excelled in math- he is now struggling. I followed the recommendations from my child’s teacher Through other parents hen they were complaining about it. I was aware that a curriculum was being used but was not aware of the the name "MVP" until I saw reports in the news. This has been difficult to help my daughter with math as I don’t understand it to be able to help her She has st uggled th and no better now in th grade. Teachers can’t seem to help kids understand nor do I feel they try, Please bring back old math. Thank you! Nothing was commun cated to us about the change n curriculum. Our child finally told us about her struggles, e searched the internet and learned about the program that way. I didn't learn about MVP until visiting my child's school counselor, after being extremely concerned about his math grades. Two years ago, my son was excited that he was really starting to understand math and achieving good grades n math. The he was introduced to MVP Math 1 and he was all of a sudden fai ing math. After meeting with his counselor, I heard the term MVP math and begin researching only to find that my child is not the only v ctim of this horrible math curriculum. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I learned about MVP through discussions with other friends/acquainteer Though I do not fully mderstand the MVP curiculum, I do not believe math can, or should be taught entirely on a computer, however, this is how it is happening in my son's class. I do not know if this is part of MVP or if it isjust the teacher's preference. My daughter started complaining about the new curiculum in 8th grade when it was introduced. The school never provided any information about MVP. My daughter has been very unhappy with this curriculum It is a constant topic at our house. Prior to my child attending the school we had heard many complaints from existing students parents regarding the MVP program I have been very disappointed in the overall math training for my children with this new cu'riculum I trust teachers and educators to make informed decisions about my kids? Math a bureaucrat sitting in the Administration Office. Never learned of it when it was introduced. Heard about it on the local news. We moved here recently maybe that's why I don't know this terminology I still have not been made aware by any of my children's teachers that they are using MVP math. The only way I knew it changed was from my children. I currently have 1 child taking Math 1, and have another who has taken Math 1,2, and 3. Both dislike the MVP way of ?teaching". The child currently taking Math 1 is in 8th grade and is in the top Never has she struggled with math mtil now. This was not at all. The students and parents should have been engaged early and often with this type of change as the key stakeholders. The students are being taught in a completely new way and are being etpected to learn in a completely new way with no training, no explanation, no motivation for the change and no time to adjust. Students are being irreparably harmed both academically and emotionally as a result of this change because the change was not managed in the right way at all. Heard about it AFTER it had already been selected by curicultm committee. There was NO parental input or comment solicitation. Child's teacher shared that is what they are using du'ing Meet the Teacher night. There was no mention anywhere by Wake Comty about Math Curriculum changing, if there were any Math conversations they were held at obscure locations, no video presentations, no follow up links to It was almost as if the selection of MVP was done behind closed doors. MVP appeared out of nowhere. I do not believe discovering math is the best method of learning and I would have protested! We went from an independent school in 8th grade to a public high school and had no idea our child was in a math class mtil she was struggling and we reached out to the teacher and administ?atorsuonly to be told that this class was more student driven and there was nothing they could do to change it. More communication directly to parents is necessary. Not through student. My son informed me of the new math cu'riculum he was doing in middle school (Math 1 in 8th grade) and was concerned with it. It was to the point that he thought he was going backward in learning math. He thought something was wrong with him He worked hard at it and, ultimately, brought home successful grades It seems it was an mnecessary struggle. This is a child that never struggled before in math. He was concerned enough that he is taking Foundations of Math 2 in the fall of his freshman year currently to prepare for Math 2 Honors in the spring. He should not be taking two full semesters of math the way block scheduling is supposed to work yet here we are so he can ensure his future success with this terrible program We came from a private elementary/middle school and on son was thrust into MVP math 2 H. It was a disastrous year. He struggled irmnensely though the Saving Grace was his teacher who taught vs letting the kids flounder! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son s in the 10th grade now. I never knew, unt l he all of a sudden started doing badly at math, that he was part of the MVP "experiment". MVP has been a nightmare for us. Go back to old math Only earned about it after the decision was made and apparently piloted. Communication from the school on curriculum changes is poor at best I was not given any information about this new curriculum but it has not taken me long to figure out that something was off in the way my chi dren were being taught (or more correct to say-not be ng taught) math. Is this d fferent than common core? I feel total y blind sided by all of the math changes, and so do my chi dren . First learned about it hen my oldest child told me they now learn from a workbook and teach each other and the teacher doesn’t teach like the used to, that she can only read what the book tells her to and teach like the book tells her to. My son has been a Guinea pig in this experiment since it's nception and went from loving math and making 5's on the Math EOC to hating math and getting C's in math class. We are dreading next semester as he has Math III and our school has the program. Please get rid of MVP. Only when asked for conference did information become available There was no school or school board communicat on that curriculum as changing Introducing a drastic change also assumed there was something wrong with previous curriculum and results ere poor which was not the case. I real y wish I had received nformation because it would have been helpful. When I addressed the confusing questions and scattershot homeworks problems -- just one or two of each type, not nearly enough to develop confidence and fluency, the teacher said it was a new curriculum and they were just following the book and hoping it worked out. I have no idea what MVP is. We were never informed at WFHS that there was going to be a new curriculum for Math 3 Honors....I was told by the teacher at open house but knew nothing about it Teachers try to give info but is seems it’s hidden or prohibited so parents don’t know what’s going on and are kept in the dark on purpose. Would be nice to have an option to not take this math course, give the k ds an option to take MVP coursed math or normal math... not giving parents any heads up on the issues that this was going to create is failing the parents as well. Although I went to the preview at WCPSS before it was determined to be used at WCPSS, parents on y got to se ect between 2 curriculum and we really didn t like either. Core P us had been used by my son and we found it unable to provide a strong algebra foundat on and MVP was a concern for similar reasons, too much emphasis on coneptual earning and not enough procedural practice. It would have been nice to get information from the school system first, but that isn’t hat happened. I did hear a lot about it on the news and media and then began to ask questions and still not sure what the purpose and goal of it I first noticed it when looking at my son’s math booklet. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We had to hire a tutor who charges $35 an hour for her to LEARN the material in November of 2018. It was too late. She scored a 70 on the final exam which was curved to an A. She rece ved a B in the class. This from an advanced math student who always got 5s on EOGs. Her teacher quit teaching for WCPSS. I honestly never heard about it until a month ago my son told me about it. Awful curr culum! My son struggled the entire ear The teache was clueless and even told the class she had no idea what she was doing contacted her on ways to help my son and she was absolutely no help at all. I had to get a tutor for him. My son has ADD and needs direction math instruction from a teacher. My daughter told me that her teacher wasn t teaching anymore and they just did worksheets. I didn’t know what was happening unt l I started hearing other parents with similar complaints I now feel that we were not told because it is not something to be supported. Found out about MVP when my child was struggling. Talked to other parents with similar concerns then learned about MVP via a Parent Facebook page. In Feb 019 a meeting was held at GreenHope HS to explain the MVP curriculum There were hundreds of unhappy parents there that had many, man questions. They were unable to answer most of the questions that night so they compiled a list of questions and attempted to answer those weeks and months later. Overall the kids were thrown into this new curriculum with no notification. When my son entered Math 1, his teacher mentioned they were us ng a new self-based curriculum, but I don't remember details provided of the curriculum and available resources. This curriculum was never explained to parents at my child’s school. I've had to do most of the research myself. This program has not been well articulated to parents (or students) at all. Grades don't suddenly fluctuate then drop when chi d is strong in a subject. Punished my kid but grades still dropped more. Talked to teacher who said kids still adjusting to new curr culum teaching style Daughter's grades still fluctuating wildly this year Other daughter gave up on teacher and taught herself math II on internet using non-MVP materials. I found out later due to the fact my child said teacher was not teaching and she would not help her. The conversations ere not positive. My daughter informed me that she had to teach herself and that she was learning from other classmates how to do the problems hen she was in Math 1 (8th grade). Once we went to high school (Math 2 Honors), she has had a difficult time with the pace and the information. We got a tutor and I was told about MVP from the tutor. I first learned of the new MVP math curriculum when I attended 'meet the teacher open house' n ght about three weeks after the start of the school year n August 01 My son happened to have math that semester and I was completely unaware prio to that evening that a new math curriculum had been adopted by WCPSS. As the math teacher ntroduced the basics of the MVP program to a fu l c assroom, the collective groans and questions/concerns from parents was overwhelming and not positive. MVP common core is TERR BLE! It was introduced as an “experiment” when my son was in Math 1 as a freshman in 2017. I didn’t know the name of the program, only that he struggled, and he had prev ously done well in math. Teachers are not teaching, but rather the kids are supposed to learn from one another (sometimes the wrong way to do problems). Learned about it when my son fa led his f rst math quiz ever. Heard about the issues at GHHS nitially and then spoke to other parents about the change Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Fr ends and neighbors who were having to hire tutors to help their children navigate the curriculum explaining their experiences. My chi d who is an A student whom we’re expecting and who is hop ng to go to college and be admitted to a D1 school who is now backsl ding n math... not because she doesn’t understand the math, but that the assessments don’t reflect the subject material appropriately. It is extremely concern ng and frustrating. Overall measurements are skewed because of so many parents now utilizing tutors to ensure their kids’ GPAs remain high. Only after child complained and grades dropped did we investigate curriculum It seemed ike a positive when it was presented. It was a nightmare when applied. To be clear, I was a are my daughter was in math, but didn’t know anything about her specific curriculum. Mentioned during “meet the teacher”. We were informed that there would be a new curriculum, but no specifics were provided. I do not remember receiving any information regarding MVP math curriculum. I teach at a high school. I overheard their describing the new curriculum.... I only heard that the curriculum was changed after the fact. The teachers do not think it is an improvement. I have heard of it but don’t know what it is. I have not hear anything positive about MVP from Any of my friends with older kids who go To various high schools in the area Leesville, Sanderson, Wakefield etc. Unfortunately, the worst one I heard was a ch ld with a learning disability be ng in a class being taught The MVP style in this child struggles with math and the teacher instead of explaining how to solve the prob em asked another student with also learning disability just stand up at the board and explain the problem. t’s like the blind leading the bl nd. I have one fr end who recently started her teaching in wake County. She has pretty much continue to teach the same way that she has for the last 30 years to k ds who struggle with learning and has very successful outcome. I think if she apply app y the MVP approach her kids would be worse off. Common core and MVP math unfortunately has done more to hurt than help our k ds. We came to Wake County from a Private School when m daughter started 9th g ade it was assumed that the parent knew what MVP was My son began struggling with math for the first time ever, and when e investigated e found that his teacher was using MVP This was in 8th grade when she took Math 1 My child is in math 1 as a 7th grader so perhaps disseminated to h gh school students? My son sophomore) does not like the MVP curriculum, but in fairness he has not historically like math as a subject. Never got any information from the county on the components of this curricu um. MVP was horrible. teacher took this as permission to not be required to teach. ALL students struggling even w th tutors. Teacher did not care. Told me that he is not allowed to teach - I to d him that I wou d not te l anyone if he did. He should do what he knows is best for students instead of watching them struggle Mr Redelfs was horrible Since last year, my business has serviced multiple WCPSS students failing and/or struggling with Math MVP. My husband rece ved information about the program at our youngest daughter’s middle school Open House. I may have received info but I do not remember anything about it. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My daughter has apparently been in MVP math for a couple years and I heard about it for the first tine last week. Communication and resources have been horrible For Math 1 we were never given any information. When my child’s grades were slipping I was told we didn’t need to meet as he was just being a typical teenanger and didn’t ant to do the homework. Math teacher would not meet with us. For Math 2 we were given a little information on MVP but the message I wa ked away with was that the teacher was NOT allowed to help during class at all Then why pay for a teacher? As my child s grade continued to slip he was just guided to continue to work on it at home. I have never heard of this program. Q3 - What is the difference between the MVP math curriculum and the previous math curriculum? MVP math curriculum is an improvement over the previous curriculum. MVP math curriculum is not an improvement over the previous curriculum. I see little difference between MVP math curriculum and the previous curriculum. I am not sure. 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 What is the difference between the MVP math curriculum and the previous math curriculum? 1.00 4.00 2.61 0.97 0.94 2,739 # Field Choice Count 1 MVP math curriculum is an improvement over the previous curr culum. 4.89% 134 2 MVP math curriculum is not an improvement over the previous curriculum. 3 I see little difference bet een MVP math curriculum and the previous curricu um. 4 I am not sure. 59.73% 1636 4.97% 136 30.41% 833 7 9 Showing row 1 5 of 5 Q15 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We didn't experience the previous high school math curriculum, but my understanding of the emphasis on critical thinking and application skills seems like an improvement over memorizing formulas. I love the idea of teaching the deeper ideas and structure of mathematics instead of just memorizing algorithms like I did. I understand this makes for some difficult transitions, but seems worth it. a similar approach was used. No experience in previous curriculum. I have had to help my daughters with math, and the methods used in the classroom are both frustratingly complicated and prone to mistakes. The point of teaching how to reason and figure out how a problem is solved is more than countered by the fact that the student must perform far too much work for very little payoff using examples that do not exist in the real world. My son struggled with math before the switch so hard to say. I also know his teachers are doing a blend of mvp and traditional math. Colleges have not changed the standards for entrance why do educators feel the need to constantly change how they teach. What happened to Algebra 1, II, Geometry, Algebra III, Calc and Trig. Why has Wake Co. made it soooo complicated with all the math classes and terminology?? Why are you reinventing the wheel?? Teacher and counselors don't even understand the math curriculum to be able to answer parents questions. It is just stupid. Why do we know formulas and yet we don't teach this is how you solve this problem instead you saw what are the 100's of different ways we can solve this problem? After the first time of doing this why continue to do this with every problem?? Dumb Do you think colleges care if you know how to solve a problem 1000 ways? No they care if you can solve the problem. my child has taken math 1,2 and 3. mvp does not seem to teach at all and relies on students to work in groups and try to figure it out themselves. my daughter's teachers told them they were going to supplement and teach the old way as well because the students were failing all the tests and not mastering the material. I was very grateful the teachers. They used mvp but also taught the old ways as well. We send our kids to school to be taught by teachers who are (supposed) to know how to teach their subject, not to tell the kids to figure it out together or alone. Why are the teachers not teaching the content? Teachers (even though teachers no longer have to teach because MVP has the kids teaching themselves) cannot explain the material. One teacher even stated that he did not understand it himself... This is first year with MVP in Math 1 It sounds to me as though this program is designed to essentially have the students teach each other. This is working out ok in my 7th grade son's AIG Math 1, but if all the kids were not at a similar level to him, I can see how this could be a recipe for failure. Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. My child started Math 1 this year so I cannot compare to previously used curriculum of which I have no knowledge. We feel the program was very poorly implemented. The meetings, information and survey’s that are now taking place should have taken place prior to the program implementation. As a parent, I have no information to make this comparison. Define 'improvement". Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Math 1,2,&3 are NOT preparing our kids for college. Granted that may not be the path for all kids. But my recent graduate, now in college, who took (& scores a 5) AP Calc AB/BC did not get the geometry background she needed for her college classes. Fellow students from other states did have traditional algebra1/geometry/algebra2 classes were prepared. Current WCPSS Math is not prepared our kid to become the next generation scientist/engineers. I disagree with paying a 3rd party to sell the county this service. I fell MVP Math is a far inferior curriculum that if followed correctly is completely insufficient. The only children succeeding are ones that have teachers who are not following the curriculum or have parents who can teach them or have hired tutors. MVP is requiring my child to focus more on developing their problem solving and critical thinking skills. Where are all the resources - it's so confusing. What is my kid studying in class and how can I help them at home. I can't get this answered. There is no teaching of the subjects. They are expected to figure it out with other students who are lost and confused. It is confusing. There is very little help. WCPSS wanted parents to PAY for help by signing up for extra help on-line. There is very little in the instruction books sent home about HOW to solve problems. MVP appears to be more inquiry and flip classroom model. However, direct instruction is still needed. Not just a teacher's website posting. As an involved parent, I have not been adequately informed about the new curriculum. Both of my children are in honors math. It was not introduced at Open Houses or Freshman Academy at High School level, not even at last week's Open House. This is discouraging. My child is not learning the material. More group work is good Teachers TAUGHT! Now, teachers are bouncers or babysitters. Repetition is needed. Kids need to be TAUGHT! I don’t believe children helping other children in a group is the best way of learning. Teachers should be teaching. My son has generally done well in math, straight A's until taking math1 this year. As much I know, through my son, not much different. People love to complain. I appreciate the emphasis of today's math curriculum on application and problem solving. Getting students to cover a lot of content with no depth of understanding is not good instruction. MVP attempts to address this. I struggle with understanding how a non teacher led curriculum can be beneficial to kids. Children and people in general have different learning styles and this program does not cater to all 3 which is what a strong program will do. A teacher teaching, combined with in class hands on work combined with an instructional textbook for those that learn best by reading is what is needed. I have 2 math oriented kids. My daughter who graduated HS last year did not experience MVP. She teaches herself by reading the textbook and without an instructional textbook, would have failed compared to the straight A’s she received through calc. . He does not have the patience for group exploration and often works ahead in math to prevent boredom. I am truly frightened for him next semester. This may very well crush his spirit and desire to be an engineer, I notice a greater difference between teachers than between curriculum versions. My child frequently complains that she has to complete work without having been taught the skills My son who is my eldest child is in 8th grade and my first child to experience MVP Have nothing to compare it to Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My sons have had a great experience with MVP and demonstrate a deeper level of mathematics learning. I do not believe that the process to find answers to math problems hould be "discovered" by students. They need to be explicitly taught how to solve problems and given opportunities for practice. Many times the example in the workbook is not like the prob ems in the book. Never received information about MVP so cant compare. Previous math classes were at an independent school We have no basis for comparison to other curriculum in WCPSS They appear not to be teaching how to do the problems or why certain strategies work. They are given a problem and supposed to f gure it out in groups. But they don’t understand why many times and are very frustrated Our math tutor does not even understand some of the MVP math. And for the less fortunate students, I’m sure their parents struggle with MVP as well as common core. MVP does not appear to be teaching the concepts of Math to the students prior to them exploring or practicing the topics. I can’t possib y add to my frustration noted above Common core was miserab e I asked kids this exact question, the were not mpressed (B the way, these are good students and mult ple kids) Again, I have had to step out of helping my daughter with math and hire a professional tutor. I have no idea how to make sense of Common Core and/or MVP math MVP is a fractured approach to teaching math as compared to the previous curriculum. MVP attempts to mix concepts such as algebra and geometry/trig together to present the material. This is often confusing and does not allow the student time to focus and master one particular facet of math such as algebra or geometry. This is the "let s jump around" approach to teaching math. It's inconsistent and it lacks the depth for each subject area needed for the student to master the concepts My child has always excelled in math until this year with MVP. He comes home frustrated EVERY day from math c ass. This is going to have an adverse effect on his attitude towards future math classes My student is lost in MVP. MVP math is awful! When my child (“A” honor roll) comes home and has no idea of how to go about the math lesson/homework then he has my attention. Never had a problem in math before. So we have to google and utube the material for him to have any chance of getting through the course work. Really.. .and this is better, I don’t think so. MVP math is difficult to understand. The students need to learn the basic foundations of mathematics because these are the skills they wi l app y later in ife. I found it extremely hard to assist my child ith their math homework and tests because this method of learning math is complicated. We had to finally resort to paying a tutor to assist our children. See my comments above it is p obably an improvement, but perhaps elementary implementation should have occurred first and then you work it up through the grades w th those groups of students. It appears to just be another gimmic. Someone has sold this to wake county as a way to help teachers teach. It is not better than simply explaining a concept THEN applying group work or real-world ways to solve a problem. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I don t like the fact that there s no instructions or lesson in the packet the student is given. There are no samples problems at a l, so one can see what is needed to complete a problem correctly. The lack of information about the concepts n the packet is significant factor in why I dislike this curriculum. I have had to hire a private tutor to instruct my student in how to do the math problems, The teacher in previous math curriculum taught concepts and didn't reply on students to learn for themselves in groups as in MVP curriculum. Somewhat very challenging for the kids due to lack of proper and ea ly introduction of the concept and the sudden drop n the r grades I see that this new curriculum does not allow the teachers much freedom to teach math in a fundamental way that might be more appealing to students with the goal of inspiring them to love math. The pro- t is focus and a good guide on what students should be learning which I also think is important. However, there have to be a balance between structure and the choice to teach to your audience. Math needs to be taught. Hav ng students work in groups to figure it out before instruction is detrimental Both of my children (Math 1 and Math 3) feel they would be doing much better and understanding more if the teacher did more direct instruction. Its an odd ay to teach math, I cannot believe someone(s) at WCPSS actually bought into this strange concept! My student says that MVP s very confus ng in the way the curriculum is presented. As typical with HS math curriculum in the US, the teaching methodology focuses on algorithmic presentation vs understanding and use As a person with a Ph.D in statistics, I must say the first thing I do with such a student in college is to attempt to retra n them from the "just tell me how to do it" thought process that creates a person less than ready for the college level. It is even worse for people who think they are ready (i.e. people who take AP calc and stat classes). No enough in class teaching. Students are supposed to learn on their own. Needs more teacher led instruction. For students that do not have strong math skills, this curriculum creates a deeper struggle with trying to learn those skills. There is not the support at the schools that is necessary for the youth to be able to develope and enhance math skil s with this curriculum. As a parent, it is necessary for me to provide a tutor. I'm not a fan of integrated math in general It is probably sufficient for students that are going on to major in the arts In my opinion, it probably does not provide a strong enough foundation for students that are going on to STEM-type work (Note: both my husband and I are chemical engineers.) Both curriculums rely heavily on the students to "figure it out" for themselves and the topics/themes are all mixed together. I spent a lot of time teaching math to my daughter as she went through high school Luckily her teachers didn't grade her on how she got the answer because my "old school" method certainly wasn't how she was being taught. Guess what, my way made sense to her! So far my son (Freshmen, Math 2)-very smart- has been able to understand the MVP concepts on his own or ith some help from YouTube. My 18 yo just graduated she is math il iterate. believe it was her sophomore year she almost flunked out because while she did her homework every night, they never graded it so it took months to realize she didn t understand any of it and by then she was hosed and got a horrible grade for the year as the policy of 'no make up' or 'no extra credit there was no way to recover I fail to see how that helped he for the future, it only destroyed her future options and being unable to repair or confirm she learned the topic and stacking onto it made progressive math courses harder and her grades to continue to suffer as she was shoved forward through the higher math levels. The new curricu um is a challenge to understand. Parents can't assist with homework because we don't know how to explain it. MVP would likely be a fine curriculum for the 5-10% of students that have the mental capacity and drive to discover new ideas on their own. For the rest of the students, it just seems to be a source of frustration and ignorance. When changing Math curriculums you should start at an early age and let it age up. cHanging in high school often leaves gaps and causes struggles for kids when grades are the MOST mportant. Er oneous and inconsistent Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son is my oldest and first child going through this level math. Unsure of how it was taught before. The instruction was Stbpal' and the handouts/study guides were almost useless. We spent many evenings on youtube and khan's academy trying to relearn mterial. It was difficult in a sense of being challenging, it wasjust confusing. All of the kids in my daughters class are struggling. This is not an irrprovement My child does not see it as an inprovement nor a insufficiency compared to the previous curriculum I like the videos that assist students with learning and used a reference. This is our 3rd year with MVP (my son is currently in Math 3). MVP is far inferior from his previous curriculum, which by the way, was also Common Core. The discovery style of teaching does not ensue there is enough instructional time for learning the material. It seems to be heavily dependent on the teacher verifying that the groups have adequately learned the concepts from their task. This is especially difficult for math classes taught with high school block scheduling, as a full cou'se year of material is compressed into one semester. There is not enough time for both discovery and instruction. Also, the MVP workbooks are NOT adequate as textbooks. It contains no definitions of vocabulary or sunmary of concepts learned. If the student did not mderstand something in the classroom there is NO material to reference. The workka is also full of errors. If a student is absent from class due to illness, he cannot use the workbook by itsetf to catch up or learn the material on his own. It is VERY insuf?cient as a learning tool. At best, MVP should be used as a SUPPLEMENT, not as an actual curriculum I do not know anything about this I do not like the group discussion format with no direct teacher instruction. I do not like obscure theoretical math. 6-12th grade is NOT an appropriate learning stage for self taught subjects. Struggle math is ridiculous. Kids do not learn when they repeatedly fail. Teachers being forced to stand down and NOT teach is insane. This while idea is absurd. My daughter felt that her teacher was not teaching her. She was very frustrated with the grow project mentality for math. She ended tp leaning the lessons from her father who is an engineer?. The work my kids are bringing home does not show me where the teacher is allowed to teach the topic in a complete manner. My kids are coming home confused and I am unable to determine how they are answering math problems without teacher guidance. was never given information about this curriculu'n. This is our first year with this curriculum My daughter is not being taught math. She is being assigned things. and basically has to teach herself. For a student who is a high level math student this approach may work, but for my daughter who often struggles with math, this is NOT an ideal approach for teaching learning math. By far one of the worst programs my children have ever experienced. Both my children have regressed significantly in math skills and competence mder this program. Worse, both liked math and eoelled prior to MVP, now both have lost all enjoyment from math. The administrator or committee responsible for this change should be errbarrassed and ashamed. Based on what I?ve read this evening, and given the fact my child has 24 in math, this might etplain it. As I mentioned before, my daughter and her friends complain that their teachers do not help at all and have gone back to Math 1 teacher for help. This doesn't seem to be a good program or at least the teachers aren't implementing it correctly. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I am a certified secondary math teacher. MVP s inferior to traditional math textbooks because: 1) Student booklets don’t have glossaries 2) Student book ets don’t have vocabulary terms introduced & defined ith application examples. 3) No worked out examples in booklets. 4) No indexes in back of student book et. 5) Numerous errors in booklets The board or a newly elected board needs to terminate MVP contracts. Student Scores have declined since MVP has been adopted. If long term scores in other districts using MVP are an indication of how MVP will ultimately affect our students, our scores will continue to decline MVP sued parent for critic zing them Imag ne if Pearson or Glencoe sued a parent this way and then emailed the school district about it. Ridiculous. Shameful that Moore & BOE didn’t terminate MVP contract upon awsuit filing. We need the same traditional math textbooks used in the best schoo s in America, not this unprofessiona and inferior MVP product. My student didn't struggle with Math 1, nor did we have any experience with the previous program so we are not ab e to fair y compare. MVP makes things that use to be easy in math become a very arduous process. MVP dumbs down every topic. It also min mizes the need for a teacher because the teacher simply reiterates what is already said in the book. MVP repeats topics that have been learned in previous years countless times. Math used to be my sons favorite subject but now he doesn't enjoy it. MVP moves at a boring, slow pace. The teacher no longer teaches and has the kids figure it out. This is not hard for my son but it is frustrating for him and probably for average math students too. What was wrong with the old way of teaching math? Nothing Maybe this is catering to the below average students who don't get math, but it s penalizing the other 90% who do fine with the old way of teaching My son has always LOVED math! So much that he signed up for two math classes this year -- one in the fall and one in the spring. A month into MVP math, which is new to him, he said "I don't think I like math anymore". Per my chi d: It doesn t give complete instructions, it skips over parts of units. MVP focuses on more indiv dual learning without help from teachers while the previous curriculum had teachers actually teach the information. In MVP curriculum, the book does not explain the concept well enough. Also it heavily depends on the grouping of students, the size of the class, and the math levels of students within a group. MVP appears to work well only when the class s ze is small and students within the same are of similar levels. Please provide physical books for k ds Kids need examples, videos, books for math I selected, "I am not sure" because these answers are guided to give unfair results for feedback. Seems alot of money, time and resources are going into chang ng, implementing and fa ling at executing, while our students are the ones punished. Why not ask the teachers, what they ant and how the TEACHERS see this wou d be best for their students. Yes, home office is great. You lack the classroom knowledge of a consistent schedule. Crazy you spend our money this way! I'm still very confused about what is being taught! It looks like the kids are teaching themselves and my child is very frustrated. The way that the MVP booklet sets up the problems and equations is confusing. It’s certain y very different and I can see hy some, especial y parents, ould dislike it. But I think it’s a better My child’s grades have decreased since beginning Math 1 and ay to teach. in comparison to the curriculum taught before I completely DISAGREE ith the MVP program. The teachers are NOT teaching the kids at all (w th the exception of do ng one math problem as an example) and then expecting them to completely "discuss" this method through small groups.. ....how in the world are kids supposed to be able to learn after receiving the BARE MIN MUM of teaching and then go on to then teach themselves????? I know that Wake County was paid to accept this program of teaching and I find it absolutely pathetic that our kids are being used as guinea pigs in a program that does nothing for them and is actually hurting their self-esteem and general math know edge. My daughter rece ves extra tutoring from my husband as well as onl ne videos and is still struggling where she has NEVER struggled w th math in the past I didn't see the previous curriculum so I can't say. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The problem ith MVP Math is the teachers are pushing the kids to learn independently or within a group setting. The disconnect is the teacher is not taking t me to share examp es (basical y teach the curricu um) so children start off lost and struggle to catch up. My son was coming home and going on the computer to teach h mself w th videos that are posted on line. We a so invested in a tutor once a week. My son made a B in the Honors Math class by teaching himself for the year. He could have made an A but by the time we knew we had a problem he already had one larger test grade in which was a F and brought his overall grade down The class average at the time was in the F range My son actually came to me and said Dad, need a tutor because they are not teaching us the math that we are being tested on. We were not in WCPSS previously. MVP is horrible. First, MVP is NOT a curriculum. We have a curriculum with standards set by the state of NC. MVP is material bought by Wake County to provide students with methods to learn the standards. These methods consist of workbooks for each unit. Each concept is introduced with some type of word problem requiring students to figure out hat t is they need to be able to do to solve the problem. Following this are more problems related to the initial word problem, and then several questions trying to discern what the students are able to understand. This is followed by some more related and unrelated problems that vary n level Some too easy, some not challenging, and others ambiguous See above This program is not preparing students for higher Math. I th nk it is r diculous that grades are having to be curved because this program is so bad, and that the raw scores are awful. I want to see my student's actual scores so that I know how well she is commanding content. I don't want to see data and statistics curved to mask a big problem. We came from a charter school that didn t use MVP and my son didn t have it when he was in high school I know my daughter does not like it. We moved from another state so we have no experience with the previous curriculum here. We entered Wake County Public Schools in the 2017-2018 school year, 9th grade, and my son was placed in Math 2, after complet ng Honors Algebra 1 and Honors Geometry in his m ddle school years. We feel that the lack of institutions/examples when introducing new topics is a big disadvantage the block system logist cs make it likely that the student has not seen this topic for a significant amount of time so the expectation of familiarity in addition to hopefully application/d scovery is a bit misguided Additionally, the rigidity of this curr culum doesn’t allow teacher to adjust content for different learning styles. My child started in Math 1 the first year it was given . So we don’t know high schoo math without it. My son has always been successful in math and since the mplementation of MVP math, his math grades have stead ly declined. While I support cr tical think ng, I believe that students must be taught first and then learn from the example. This hole "figure t out on own in your group" is not making students successful. This is taking a toll on students' GPAs, their overall self-esteem and their general feelings towards math. Our daughter's teacher did not use supplemental materials, and there was little support for helping student understand the math concepts. They were encouraged to "figure it out" on the r own, which led to much frustration My older daughter was able to help tutor our ounger daughter since she completed Math 1 and 2 under the old curriculum We eventually engaged a private tutor, which made a difference. From my perspective my son indicates that he is not taught ho to solve math problems, but must work in groups to collaborate. The materials provided do not give any instructions or examples on how to solve the problems. We must rely on other resources like Khan Academy or tutors. Honestly I didn't know that my daughter's Math 1 & 2 honors classes ere MVP at the time. I do recall thinking that the teach should have given more examples and/or suggested other techniques - but nothing overly concerning. Math 3 honors has been a bit a different animal as my daughter's expereince has been tougher than expected - not sure if it's the MVP cirrcculum or teacher's style or combo of both. Either way, with math 3 honors, the expere nce has been negative and frustrating as my student has had a hard time ver fying her technique/answers are correct so she has expereinced some hardship in learning sometimes lea ning the wrong wa and having her grades reflect as such where as a parent I'd expect the concept to be demonstrated and/or resources provided to cover self discovery opportunit es MVP math has been a nightmare for my family My oldest son has been SSA (Single Subject Acceleration) in math since 4th grade. He is now a sophomore in high school and went from oving math for years to absolutely abhorring it because of MVP. This ne curriculum is ridiculous and my son is falling behind in math because of it. Major failure by the decision makers for picking this curriculum! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not only is this not an improvement; it is a total failu?e. It does not teach on kids rmth. They get no instruction on fundamentals and no consistency. There is no mastery of any kind that would build the skills for more advanced math. This curriculum is nothing but a confusing mess that takes the fun and learning out of math and replaces it with disdain and confusion. We do not care for the math packets that come with the MVP program Too few erarrples. No textbook. Also, at least for math, group learning does not seem as effective as teacher led instruction. MVP math was an unmitigated disaster for my daughter. Sitting in groups, trying to ?gure out mathematical concepts did not work for her. She did far more work than she used to and struggled to even pass the class. For my child, she needs direct instruction from a teacher. She would get that with a tutor we had for her. Her tutor would say after a session that she understood it and she was fine, then she would get to class and would be lost all over again. This affected her other classes as her confidence dipped to new lows and the amount of work she put in in math took away from her other classes. I am THRILLED that she is out of those math classes now. ALL of her grades have gotten better since she no longer is subjected to being made to feel dunber than her classmates. I think both MVP math and corrmon core math are ridiculously convoluted and make it very difficult for parents to help at home. made a 720 out of 800 on the math section of the hold an mdergrad degree from NC State and masters from ECU and I struggled to mderstand my child's math homework from elementary school up until now that she is a freshman. Ou son is a straight A student. Has A's in everything but Math now. Has never had an issue with Math and learns it easily. Has repeatedly stressed to us how bad this course is at teaching materials. He does not feel prepared for tests. Feels like he is being made responsible to teach the others and can not focus on mastery of lessons. Students need direct instruction in math--we are creating a cohort of students who cannot solve basic math problems without undue work and stress. Open Up is as bad, if not worse. MVP does seem to be working better than 8th grade math curriculum According to my child the instruction is more clear and it's easier for them to figure out what they need to work on. The videos seem helpful as well. However, there are still not enough practice problems for them to work on. The teachers aren't involved in actual teaching. Students should not be teaching each other Understanding the fundamentals of math allow kids to extend and decipher more conplicated problems as they advance through higher math curriculum. There is no reason that basic equations should be held as part of discovery. Students who gravitate to math because it is concrete, not subjective like English or history, are utterly confused with this curriculum It has taken the excitement they have for using mathematical tools to create and innovate away from them MVP is a catastrophic cu'ricdum that makes students fail. seems to be happy that students are failing math I don't see the lessons or how it is taught since I am not the student; I only have seen how my A student has responded to it. She has managed to keep her A, so in that regard it hasn't changed; however, she has had to seek more outside help in order to do so, from friends, family, and the internet. She has had much more stress in math class since using the MVP booklet, to the point that it caused physical She was getting a headache in math class regularly last year. Unfortunately, rather than establishing basics as a fomdation and building on that foundation, the 'rnath' program seems to focus more on problem solving skills (conceptual thinking) rather than the fmdamentals of mathematics, which means we have a very limited population with solid math skills. we're failing to teach our students. At least the teachers TAUGHT the old curicule One size fits all is not appropriate for students who are all different. MVP is not taught. Discovery based learning has no place in math. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My daughter went from be ng a solid A student to having to be tutored every week. $60/session. We spoke multiple times to her teacher but was told she couldn’t aid students as they were to work in a group to figure out solving the problems. So we did outside tutoring where we PAID her to be taught the information. Not please with either MVP or the previous one. I'm not sure if MVP is within the Common Core program or not Either way, I don t see where it's any better or any worse It's confusing, though Unless you have a teacher who spends time actually teaching the material, your ch ld is left to try and figure out how to solve complex equations for the first time. Unfortunately our son had such a teacher n 8th grade with Math 1. We were forced to get a tutor to expla n the concepts each week. For the entire year, we used the tutor, one on one every week. Once the concept was explained, he mastered the material quickly. Unfortunately it took a tutor to do the teaching. His Math 2 teacher spent time teaching and he loved the class. They still worked in groups but this was after concepts were shown and exp ained. He is now in Math 3 and we are again employing a tutor to help "finish" teaching. Thankful y his current teacher does spend some time teaching the material but not to the extent that his Math 2 teacher did. There is not enough practice for students. The student booklets have many mistakes. I think it depends upon the child My children seemed to adjust fine to MVP however my daughter (a straight A student) has had some questions/concerns about not fully understanding the curriculum and does not seem confident in how best to get help. She seems to rely on classmates that are grasping the concepts better than she is. Unified tests s 3 steps backward My kid got a test with a topic he was not teach before and after the test he got the class so he got a b+ I believe that math - and all other school subjects - should be taught by a trained professional. The MVP curriculum relies on peers to teach and explain the material. I do not agree with this approach and it is not helpful to my child. MVP math curriculum is the same thing as handing kids a book to read before you teach them the alphabet. After comparing a ton of experiences among the honors commun ty at different schools, I strongly suspect WCPSS implemented MVP as a solution to the lack of quality math teachers in the county If the kids teach each othe and themselves, any warm body can be used to "teach" math Pr or to MVP, my child brought home teacher made material that was p ece-mealed and often disjointed Now, there is a clear learning progression and flow that allows her to build upon her skills. The concept of MVP has merits, BUT, the execution is horrific and a disservice to our students Most students will NOT excel in MVP. Why not use the traditional method, TEACH the concepts and problem examples, then allow the students to demonstrate their knowledge understanding with homework Fine to add extra problems that ncorporate untaught concepts (eg MVP) as EXTRA CREDIT or non-graded work, so those students that have that capability can be re arded for it and those that don't can TRY by challenging themselves (love this idea). The MVP program is discouraging students from learning and enjoying math. My formerly A-math student is so disheartened and is now considering moving from a math/sc ence focus (pre veter nary med) to one of interior design Th s is just what we DON'T want and especially for females who we encourage to move forward in STEM careers. She has lost ALL of her confidence n math which is so sad to see. After the introduction of the MVP curriculum, my daughter's interest in Math dwindled drastically and started to fear doing Math not a l children learn the same way, my question how do they th nk prob em solving is the best and only way? Let the teachers determine the best way to teach and reach their students, keep politics out of it. You have frustrated and damaged many children due to this process. Kids need to be taught math not jut expected to learn it on their own. You cannot compare this to common core as that was almost as bad. The fact is math should be taught like it was before MVP and before common core. Teach the kids algebra I, geometry, algebra II, and h gher mathematics. It is the way we have learned math for decades. It is the way the countries with the highest math scores still teach their kids Math is not a feeling, it th s might be right, it s factual MVP is the worst math program I have seen and that is saying something since common core math was horrible. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Having 2 teens and 4 math classes WFHS experience, and as an engineer, these classes were evaluated aga nst classical teaching; very sad, and a reason for the failure of USA against other developed nations. I am sure someone is mak ng money at the expense of America's future. Just ook at the performance of the students. How can kids teaching each other in a problem solving manner be better especially if there is not the flexibility to account for any deficiencies that one or more students in the group might have. The MVP webs te defines the role of teacher as through "teach moves" The kids wind up getting frustrated because they is not an ndividual feedback loop from a teacher that enables them to clarify or fully understand and internalize the concepts. The kid winds up try to teach themselves. It also does not account for having kids who are less committed to their education in the group. The fatal fla to me is in their own definition of the teacher. On there website MVP state the “teacher moves” encourages students to explore, question, ponder, discuss the r ideas and listen to the ideas of their classmates. What about inform, provide knowledge, and Teach. I know we are ta king about math but isnt the root of Teacher Teach? My child has had a decline in math each year. This is a student with high grades n every other subject, math grade has declined at an alarming rate. It’s been the same workbook. There are two major problems that see with the curriculum. One- there are not enough resources and support for the parents/students. Second-it is not beneficial for k ds who have been learning certain techniques for years who are now immediately supposed to switch "strategic" ways of learn ng The company/school district should have thought about the "transitional steps" to fully implement this new program. A common sense idea would be to begin the program at primary levels then continue the implementation of the new techniques/strategies into the secondary level - thus growing with the students education. The school district is damaging the futures of these "transitional student" -roughly the 6-8 years of kids from the start of the program. I fully understand and appreciate the difference in the approach to the two; however, the question s really one of how it was implemented. Our experience last year is that there was huge var ance between teachers in effectiveness (ours was terrible) and e flipped a switch instead of transitioning the kids n approach and grading. Thus, it's really hard to tell hich curriculum is 'better' f I give MVP the benefit of the doubt and the issue really being implementation instead of the curriculum itself My answer: MVP math curriculum is *worse* than prev ous curriculum. You have 2 answers that mean the same thing in the poll ("Not an improvement" and "little difference" are the same thing..answers 2 and 3) MVP curriculum has many prob ems which are hard to detail in this box; however, the biggest thing is t is not conducive to many children's learning. It teaches Applied math before the foundations are taught properly. And to top it off it is group based learning which doesn't work when everyone is confused and/or a child is ntroverted (many children in 9th grade, f rst time in high school). So from day 1, the child is off to a bad start in high school and hating math. She is struggling with the new curriculum and is frustrated. Content wise it is more challenging, but the approach to deliver these contents may be too idealistic, mot able to be implemented My child is good in math and says there are some posit ves but was saying that the negatives outweigh the positives Then aga n, the teacher is not a strong math teacher. This math curriculum seems to have shuffled the math concepts as they do not bui d on one another. The core of the MVP curriculum, as I understand it, is to encourage students to work together to solve problems. am sure this s a great approach if, and ONLY if, the other students in your group are at a s milar level, and have sim lar dedication to the work being done. To ignore the fact that some students just don't care about their schooling, and that not a l students are created equal when it comes to math skill, is simply naive and hurts those students who are forced by design to work with them. We have all had group projects, e ther in school or in work, where some people don't part cipate to the same level as the rest, and it damages the entire group as a result. Forcing students of various math skills to try to learn together is very challenging the concept is great, but in reality MVP has failed to properl teach the skills needed to keep moving on. We have a student in 7th grade taking math 1....being taught. We also have a 9th grade student taking math 1 MVP. While I believe 'real world application' of a concept w ll encourage deeper learning, the MVP Ready, Set, Go concept causes more frustration than standard nstruction. If truly efficient and effective, HS teachers would not need to modify the curriculum to make it earnable. It does not work as sold to WCPSS Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I don t think MVP is either good or bad, it s just different. It has been a good change for my child, as her understanding has increased over the past two years. However, she's also had really good teachers the past two years as well. It's difficult to tell how much is the curriculum and how much is the teacher. My son did not have this failed MVP curriculum and had no trouble with math at GHHS compared to my daughter who n have to spend countless hours at home giving her direct instruction Isn't that the point if school to get direct instruction? Concepts are now more difficult to grasp and are taught in a less clear manner. So much harder to determine an answer now. This curriculum seems to place the onus on the students for teaching themselves. For very self motivated students this may work, however for the majority of students I have hears numerous complaints that it does not. The "teachers" are no longer teaching. There is no instruction. Students are expected to teach themselves. It’s ludicrous. MVP is much worse than anything we have endured in math. There is no teaching, workbooks are riddled with errors, curr culum is horrible. My older two children who a so went through Wake County schools were high achieving math students in college. Unfortunately the students in MVP now, these last three years il not be. Furthermore my once math-loving child now hates math because he is not getting the instruction in school that he deserves Also, his confidence is blown to bits We are having to pay up to $1000 for a math tutor just to cover the concepts that the teacher should be teaching. Does the state of North Carolina provide a free math curriculum? MVP is trash. I do know that I am unhappy with the process of the current math 3 honors curricu um. To be specific, they are taught a topic for one day, the homework and quiz are problems that they have learned, but when it comes to the Unit Tests, it is questions that were much harder than what they were taught. was told that it is meant to extend their thinking, but I don’t agree with it if they are not taught those principles. Please go back to teaching the basic way of doing math first. I think that kids figuring math out on their own without instruction is ridiculous How can this even accommodate IEP and 504 students? What about Special Ed? Why are so many kids going from A's in class to C's and D's? There doesn't seem to be much difference but at least now the booklets are available for teachers and students to use as a curriculum resource. However, I believe the previous math curriculum was not great. MVP sucks. How about letting the teachers actually teach. My child received 5's on Math EOGs every year except last year when he took MVP Math 1--he went to a 4. While in MVP Math 1, his grades were plummeting and in the second half of the year, he just disconnected from what had been his favorite school subject-math His Math teacher contacted me to say he was sleeping in class. His change n attitude and performance was so drast c that we took h m to a therapist to help us understand this complete personality change We now realize MVP math had killed his confidence in his only subject where he felt conf dent The sleeping in class was a coping strategy so he didn't have to let anyone know he was not understanding the math. In retrospect, we were trying to "fix" the wrong problem-we should have hired a tutor, not a therapist. I think the focus of MVP, while intending to be constructive, allows for regression of some of the basic math sk lls that students who are struggling are desperately needing. the problem I have is there is less "hands-on" practice, and the whole program seems to nvolve "discussion" or "creative problem so ving". While this unique system may seem novel and progressive, there are certain basics that simply cannot be avo ded when it comes to math put it quite simply, pick up your pencil and paper and do the math problem until you understand the steps Again, how my kid program is ent from enjoying math to absolutely beside herself trying to understand demonstrates how difficult and different this MVP Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have to say my daughter had really a ful experience on her 9th grade math MVP3）she spent lots of time on her math homework，watched video and had a private tutor but got very bad score in the end. One of her friends had another math teacher at same semester learned different material and got high score. MVP Math Curriculum is not successful. My ch ld had never struggled in Math prior to introducing MVP. He now needs constant tutoring. The students are not being taught the basic building blocks of mathematics Th s will be a huge disadvantage for any students planning a co lege education in a mathematics field of study. I truly hope WCPSS does the right thing and recalls this curriculum. There is no real instruction of the material and everything bounces around instead of one concept leading to another. Horrible experience Students are not taught concepts. They are left to figure it ouy on their own or in a group. There s a huge lack of guidance! Students are not tought concepts. The teacher doesnt teach process. She said it is up to the kids to discuss and "Explore ". We moved here in 2017, we didn't know what the previous curriculum was like. Expecting kids to be able to teach themselves and each other complex concepts with little to no “instruction” is at best irresponsible, at worst destructive to our children’s confidence and damaging to their overall educational transcript and further educational opportun ties I like that it shows real life applications. This new math that kids have to learn is HORRIBLE. I as a parent barely understand it and I was good with math. While we are attempting to be balanced n our analysis of the MVP math curriculum and potential benefits. The short term affect on our students has been decidedly negative. The respons bility of ensuring the students engage with and understand the materia must be solely with the instructor. Please see previous comment. So much time wasted on things left little time for learning. May as ell hire a monitor to watch over class because teachers are not engaged with students. My son s new to publ c school He is a straight A student and is struggl ng with pa ts of this math curriculum He gets high As when tested on material he was taught before, but low Cs on new concepts. His entire math class (Math 2 Honors) is struggling and several students dropped the class. Many students come to my son for help and he’s teaching them the way he learned in private school Not a fan! I have been shocked and dismayed at how bad the MVP Math program is. Quite frankly t is appalling. It does not teach the math concepts effectively so that students can take and apply them, and I do not believe it is setting them up for the future success in further advanced Math courses (and other STEM subjects that use Math). Last year my student took NC Math 1 in 8th Grade. She was in a Charter school where Math was not taught using MVP. My student got a level 5 achievement and the rest of the schoo taking NC Math 1 achieved Level 4 on average. This is stark contrast to the State results, here the average achievement was a very low Level 3 (State results were only 2 points n to the Level 3 band => 2 points above Not proficient) That should be shocking to educators My student's score was higher than 94% of NC students taking the test This data doesn't follow a normal distribut on (which it should), and therefore indicates to me there is an issue w th the MVP Math teaching method. This I believe is firm facts and data that shows MVP Math is failing students and the traditional teaching approach is effective. My o dest child never struggled in math prior to enrolling n WCPS. She has been in gifted math programs s nce second grade. My youngest hile not in the gifted program still was a straight A math student also. Both went from loving math to disliking t and not wanting to go to class. Both of my kids complain of a lack of instruction from their teachers. With high school classes on the semester schedule it’s too little time to cover the necessary materia anyway let alone having the students figure it out in their own. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My children were previously in charter schools where there were excellent math teachers. Those teachers had the freedom to teach the methods they knew worked. Is ay worse The previous math curriculum actually resulted in learning and was less frustrating. Complicated math in a way that makes Math a less pleasant subject Not well designed and have problem with the material to be used as reference to practice at home The biggest difference is students working n groups during quizzes/tests. Grades are then combined. Not all students are at the same math/sk ll level which doesn't seem fair. The MVP curriculum does not provide enough instruction to students in order for them to learn math. My son has never struggled with math until he took Math 2 Honors on last year. The format of the course which requires students to ork n groups with m nimal teacher intervention is not conducive to learning math. Due to his struggles in Math 2 Honors my son signed up for a Math 3 course rather than signing up for a Math 3 Honors course. When I learned that my son's Math 3 course ould not be based on the MVP curriculum, we both rejoiced Perhaps he will actually learn math again on next semester in h s Math class I am hopefully that he will be able to overcome any deficiencies from last year once his math class begins It’s definitely not an improvement. It’s a bad decision by an awful school board who care less about anyone. Group activities did not inhance and critical thinking in math is not a route to learn concepts and mathematical formulas Teachers need training. The program is failing on many levels. It seems as feedback is only newly supported. It seems l ke teachers and pr ncipals are not really “allowed” to contradict it or address it. It’s failing but it doesn’t have to fail. It is absolutely not an improvement, it s a disaster!!! My child who is the most confident kid that I know, now says that he is stupid!!! Trying to teach kids how to do math w thout the correct tools (definitions, equat ons, etc) is impossible Telling kids to try to exp ore to find answers may work we l in ELA classes but in math you need the basics, you need the equations before you can move on and figure out when and where to use them Our experience has been that our child has received less engagement and teaching from their teachers under this MVP curriculum. From discussions with other WCPSS families and staff, it appears that the MVP curriculum implementation has varied wildly across the school system. In our experience, the learning has been dependent upon how academica ly strong of a group our child has been assigned to in class. Strongly d sagree with the element of having students seek help from each other instead of from the teacher. The role of the teacher is to TEACH, not stand by and say I can't help you which is exactly what is occurring in the classroom! Forcing students to figure things out on there own isn't instruction. It causes frustration, decreases confidence and has resulted in my child to despise math. My daughter took Math 1 and finishing last year and has a solid math foundation My son is struggling in MVP program and when myself or my daughter try to assist we are even confused by the abstract thinking behind the curriculum. Students beed more instruction than just putting them in groups and te ling them to f gure it out. It is worse than prior curriculum Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP Math is a train wreck. No instruction was given during class. No examples were provided in the workbooks on how to complete the prob ems. The video support that the students were supposed to use to figure out how to do the lesson were not even available on the MVP Math website for the last half of the school year. My husband would have to teach my daughter how to do the Math not being taught in Math class. Numerous parents have had to pay for tutors to teach their kids the math lessons. What a horrible waste of a Math teacher's talents, in addition to this program being a tota waste of County funds MVP math is awful!!! Expecting children to learn math without being taught the reasoning is absurd. My child was an A/B math student. W th MVP she is now struggling to mainta n a C Thankfully we sought the help of a tutor. This tutor is the only reason my child feels a bit confident in her math curriculum. She has learned NOTHING from her teacher; except to feel discouraged, frustrated and confused As a manager of software engineers and someone who has a STEM degree, I do not believe that MVP is providing my child with the mathematics knowledge he requires to succeed in college. This is especially true if the teacher is subpar (which was the case last year) or under-trained in MVP. How could the removal of teacher instruction be an improvement? These kids are not being taught, they are being left alone to struggle. MVP has been ridiculous! I do not support it and f nd it n very poor taste that WCPSS supports such garbage. We’ve had to pay money out of our own pocket for tutors just to help keep grades up so my child’s GPA isn’t affected My child has always been an above average student until MVP math was put in front of them. It's horr ble. Before teachers could select whatever materials they chose that met the standards It allowed for more flexibility and differentiating and more direct teaching. Additionally my kid did NOT require hours of computer time in order to atch direct instruction from a stranger to get the information required to be able to learn anything. I have had one child go through the previous curricu um and one is on their 3rd year of MVP (Math 1, 2, and 3, all honors). My child on the previous curriculum had a much better understanding of the covered topics than my MVP child does. My child has only used the MVP program, so I cannot camp are mvp math facilitates collaboration among students who didn't know how to approach math problem solving it didn't teach them how to do the math plus my daughters teacher quit after a month because she didn't know how to teach the new curriculum It is so confusing to understand. It really seems like so many methods of teaching math have been tested over the years that no one knows what is going on and our children are suffering as a consequence. I have heard, from both of my children, conflicting reports. Some teachers hate the new curriculum and some love it. I only know that I can no longer help my children with their math homework. Common sense appears in danger of being replaced by theory and convoluted technique. The really smart students can keep up and the average and below average students are being woefully left beh nd. I don t have experience with the math program prior to mvp. MVP does not provide students with the foundational understanding and competence that wi l support thei futu e math success There have been several times my daughter has came home with homework she does not understand. She says the teacher did not give a lesson on the materia s. This is not an effective way to learn. The children will suffer if th s type of education cont nues. By attempting the problems with no instruct ons, the kids may have incorrect methods that do not work. This wou d cause confusion in how to do the work. So far it is difficult to see how it is improving math. My child ho norma ly did well n math comes home clueless about his assignments because 1) he s disadvantaged when his learn ng group doesn’t understand any better than he does so he comes home not understanding the ass gnment and 2) when he tries to do the assignments at home the resources avai able are either difficu t to find or more often than not un-helpful. Let me add here also the assessments quizzes and tests) being computer based, though convenient from a grading perspective, do little to develop students ability to work out problems on paper Student led interactions rely on teacher supervision. Large c asses and inadequately prepared teachers make this type of program ineffective. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: A "traditional" math curriculum is much better than MVP. Kids need to be taught the foundations before being let loose to analyze and apply knowledge, especially when classes are taught at the semester level and move at a breakneck pace. This curriculum might work as a supplement to traditional teaching methods, but is not a good replacement. Basically, I don't see it as curriculum at al . The kids are left to strugg e and try to learn the concepts on their own, whether right or wrong. The curriculum approach is ridiculous where students are supposed to learn before a teacher teaches them And if they ask questions during that time, teachers do not answer them either The new curriculum is counter productive and makes students who used to get As to almost get fa ling grades. Impacts their confidence as well. This must be fixed. As it s more towards self learning. This way of learning is not helpful. you can not expect students to just figure it out by there selves & if the student is just like me then once they find a way they stick to that way & if that was is wrong then there screwed the teacher NEEDS to teach because this is just ridiculous. it’s the blind eading the blind. I understand MVP may have some benefit as discovery math AFTER students are taught the formulas and practice with those formulas. Then...group work and crit cal thinking come into play But without being given the basics students cannot be expected to just know these formulas!!!!! Math shou d never be “teach yourself” as it appears to be now. The students are not being taught by teachers but are in groups to “f gure it out” on their own. Several of the teachers my sons have had don’t know how to tdo the mater al themselves and have a difficult time helping them when they were struggling. Many teachers I have talked with do not like this method either! My son "absolutely hates it" and e have been struggling. My daughter helped my son all the way through Math 1. Then she went to college. No my son is in Math 2 and we are considering h ring a private tutor to teach him the content. He has ADD and a flipped classroom where he needs to initiate the learning is NOT a good match. I feel fortunate that I can teach him the math if needed and that I can afford additional resources. However this is not fair to lower income or less educated parents. Tutoring should be made avai able immediately. At school. During lunch. Before school. After school. At some time MVP math takes a relatively simple subject and makes it complex. My wife and I are hav ng to teach math severa hours a night to our son ho is in Math 1. He is normally a straight A student and is ahead in math. Whereas our older daughters never had this issue prior to MVP. MVP is probably the worst program in Math I have ever seen. This program should be eliminated and go back to teaching traditional Math. would also ask for a refund from the MVP Math vendor. For the record, my w fe and I are both engineering ma ors who understand advanced math, however MVP math is very hard to follow. The teachers do not teach math. They want the kids to figure it out themselves. If I wanted this type of program for my child we would do on ine school. I want the teacher to teach. I also know my words are in vain. WCPSS will never listen to parents responses. I honestly don’t know the difference in the curriculum My concern is that a new cu riculum was adopted and teachers did not have adequate time and training Implementation of the program as poor his f rst year. My o dest daughter was taught using the prev ous curriculum. She is a sophomore at NC State. She took AP Calculus AB and BC and received credit for college with her score of a 5 on the AP exam. She learned all the background knowledge she needed through our previous curr culum. My midd e daughter is a sophomore in Math 3 this year. She has mainly been taught using modified MVP materials. The units that were used ith MVP only, she did not do as well. My youngest daughter is on y in 4th grade, but she has an IEP for a learning disability. She needs material taught to her step by step. The MVP method would not work for her and we are extremely concerned about her future success with this program. MCP is not useful because the teachers do not teach the math. And the student do not know how to complete the homework. Having students who are historically g eat at math struggle with math indicates to me a serious flaw with the curriculum Having students teach othe students math, espec ally when all are struggling makes no sense. Teachers should be teaching and using a method here students are able to learn, apply what they learned and do well when they put effort into the course. i see as though the mvp only works hen the teacher trusts the process and actually uses the provided booklets Please add any additional comments on the above topic: perhaps a negative but I know more about MVP that the prior programs so hard to compare Lack of teaching in the classroom and student-led learning is ineffective. Our children have struggled with the lack of explanation of concepts and the frequent jumping around between algebra and geometry. The work books are not textbooks. I see the Math MVP as just another approach to learning math 'm not sure the program is an mprovement from the previous curriculum I think it would be helpfu if the math teachers in Wake County had more time to adapt to the new curr culum. If a system isn't necessarily broken, why is there an urgent need to fix it? I do not think the MVP curricu um or the previous curriculum teaches math skills. I strongly feel that my child does not understand math as she should at the leve she is. Less teaching of math, it seems more l ke the curriculum attempts to force students to figure out lessons on their own. Syllabus wise it is the same but kids are not taught any concepts, big ideas and left to learn on their own This helps teachers but really kids struggle unless they had earnt those concepts else where like Aops etc. My older child experienced the old curriculum and I helped with lots of homework The old curriculum relied on example problems and repetition The materia s were fragmented and impossible to search through. My ch ld never understood the "why" behind what they were doing. I much prefer the MVP approach. t does put more responsibility on the student. A drawback is if they are in a group that does not work we l together, it can be difficult. Letting students teach themselves when they do not know the fundamentals of new types of math is extremely problematic. We NEED teachers to teach by example. ..leave creative, exploratory learning to college evel students who already know the fundamentals of math. It is apparent that the distr ct has implemented a rigorous mathematics curriculum. There are,however, large gaps in learning that are not adequately addressed in the current iteration of the pacing guide for MVP Math 1. It is important for me to note that I am writing this as a parent of a WCPSS student and my persona experience this year in working with my daughter. I am personally concerned with the amount of time that we are spending in the evenings and on the weekend to provide supplemental instruction clear, explicit, and direct instruct on It is normal for math homewo k to take 90 minutes each night and 2-3 hours on the weekend just to keep up ith the pace of the course/fill in gaps in prior knowledge. The gap topics are assessed in the same manner as topics covered in class even though they were never directly taught. MVP has students think about math rather than complete numerous, repetitive problems. The process is more important than the actual answer. This type of earning is benef cial to students. In the MVP, there is limited to no direction given to the students instructing them to build and develop best practices for solving problems. Huge step in the wrong direct on. My child is now anxious about her upcoming math class next semester. She's stressing about it months beforehand b/c of her experience with Math 1 & 2.. How can there be rigor or challenge when there is a silent class, with no modeled teaching, no problem solving or working through it in collaborative groups or learning pairs? How can it be engaging if no one talks or understands? How are the progress monitoring skills that are not acquired to ensure academic success? My son says it’s silent and the teacher doesn’t talk, teach pose questions. We dropped him out of honors math and he came home excited bc “at least the teacher teaches us now” MVP has over complicated math that students learned before the implementation. The previous curriculum tricks and tips are being taught to my child by my oldest, who did not have MVP. The previous math valued multiple ways to solve and had worked examples, which MVP severely lacks. The MVP has proven to be confusing and poorly structured. n speaking to teachers, they've agreed the guide ines they are required to deliver the lesson is problematic. It is a huge disservice to our children, it is NOT supporting the learning or thought process in order to learn any math lesson. Significantly Less direct instruction kids expected to essentially teach themselves Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child has to engage in productive struggle which at first he was uncomfortable with. It has helped him persevere through d fficult tasks and see himself as a strong math student. i DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. My son ikes the se f-paced; however the books themselves are not adequate and have some excessive and unnecessary lessons. A good teacher who unde stands what to skip, what to supplement and how to use the material can be successful Some of the lessons are time wasting (do ineff cient and then show them a faster way). It is hard for me to understand the difference when no one can explain what MVP is. There is a lack of contextual learning. Students do not have enough repetition to be able to learn a concept. Having Geometry, Algebra and Trigonometry all m xed with NO LESSONS TAUGHT IN CLASS does not set students up for success! Not all students learn well in a self taught group. Some students are more reserved, as my child is, and will not speak up to add to the conversation because they feel as if they have nothing to contribute Students are being asked to recreate "math" that took many, many years ithout any qual ty support The students really struggle to teach themselves the math without assistance/leadership from the teacher. They say that it only helps the top genius kids get better and the rest of the students struggle along in confusion and end up being very unclear about the concepts they are supposed to be learn ng. I am not a fan of common core math either but MVP is much worst. The basics are not being taught understood.. My daughter comes home from school saying they had to work in a group to figure out math which they were never taught. A waste of time and no learning is happening. The only difference was that a workbook was provided for MVP math, instead of individual worksheets. Some sort of textbook though. ould have been helpful This is my oldest child so I’m not sure what the curriculum was like pr or to MVP. The reason why MVP s absolutely not an improvement over the prior curriculum because the Wake County teachers have not been properly equipped to run a classroom with this new instruction It is poorly organized My girls (they are in separate classrooms so I am exper encing two different teachers) were in a constant confused state. They did not have adequate explanations (I revie ed all their notes), they were confused about the role they ere to play in their groups, they never (ever) receive timely feedback. The teachers recommend (when I asked for help) the girls to attend 'tutor time but when they attend the sessions, the teachers do not have any additional improved instruction or ability to clarify the r points. It was most frustrat ng. Because my husband and are fortunate to have discretionary income, our girls now attend private tutoring three days a weeks (been doing this for a month) because they are not learning from their teachers in class. The reason they are not learning in class is is because Wake County has not properly prepared the teachers and they have not properly pulled together a comprehensive, helpful and appropriate set of materials. It is truly unfortunate that my girls, who always enjoyed and appreciated math, now quite dislike the entire subject. I hold Wake County completely accountable for this turn of events I do not trust the MVP teachers and the MVP approach/methodology (as it is currently being run) to approp iately prepare my girls for admissions tests and for college. Not kno ing much about the MVP program prevents me from being ab e to accurate y compare. My child has always been good in math and the MVP program causes stress, frustration, and has led my chi d to dislike the sub ect. I find myself having to teach most as my child always comes home confused and upset. MVP does not explain and teach as we l as other previous curriculums As a secondary math teacher myself, I th nk discover and problem based learning is very effective. The problem s that it’s not f it’s implemented poorly. My kids are under the impression that they are ‘teaching themselves’. The teacher should be the fac litator and the students should see them as such I’ve taught in a classroom with a similar curriculum and I received far less parent complaints as other teachers because I was more engaged in the lesson and problems Students need to struggle but they need to feel supported as well—espec ally in math where anxiety is real and often higher than other subjects. I am so tutor a student in Math 3 in WCPSS and the teacher does one problem with the class then the students complete the rest while her teacher s ts at her desk. Her response when students need help is ‘ask your group’. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The idea that students learn from working problems out on their o n without any real direct instruction did not support my daughter in any way w th the math curriculum. Her grades have never been so low given the amount of time spent on homework and studying, in addition to the first time ever need ng tutoring support and go ng weekly to the office hours provided by her math teacher for additional support. I believe kids should have the same curriculum from K-12. That way they are building on hat they've learned throughout their grade school years. Perhaps switching to a new curriculum could help some students, but I'd think the major ty of students would prefer, and perfo m better with, the consistency of remaining in the same curriculum. Maybe it could work as an option with a magnet school or something similar? understand it's an effort to help both the kids and the schools in their performance, but both of my children (currently in grades 9 & 12) and every one of their friends I've spoken ith have told me the new curriculum is a wholesale change. They've told me after their initial participation unt l now that they find it more difficult to understand and navigate because it doesn't follow the fundamentals they were taught for years. I see it as having been taught English and then having to read all of your materia s in another Latin based anguage assuming you'd be the same evel of comprehension and understanding. You have the same characters and punctuation, and you could learn it along the way but it wou d make it much more challenging than sticking with English. Teachers are not prepared to teach th s curriculum without support themselves from the school and d strict. Students have no one to turn to for help. The style of teaching for th s curriculum is terrible and my son who was do ng extremely well in Math in previous years is struggling now He is also so frustrated because there are no real notes or step by step process to help him st home. He needs that desperately as he had that n former years. *This curriculum is student lead. t assumes that all the kids have the emot onal maturity, experience and ntelligence to handle a level of collaboration that is not found or supported in any other class. *This curriculum teaches in a way that has not been seen before It is a complete 180 to in how my student has learned so far. *This curriculum does not provide enough opportunity to practice problems so that they become engrained before teaching a new concept. Concepts do not seem to build on one another, they are random. *Teachers are having to use other supportive tools to help students understand, like using Khan Academy or Dream Box to instruct kids because students teaching each other isn't helpful for all students and instruct on time is minimal. Why not just use Kham Academy if that is the default? *I see it creating yet another economic disparity within the distr ct. The haves can h re tutors and get additional assistance to navigate this cu riculum What do students who don't have those resources do? *The written materia is wrong. Many times answer keys are incorrect, or the problem is worded so poor y that information is missing or assumed. I did not realize that there was a different curricu um previously, as last year she was in Math 1, but this raises a question for me. Why do you all constantly change curriculums? Further, hy are you now spending money for a consulting firm to review the curriculum that you already spent money on? Is this hy you can not afford enough computers/ texts for the kids to actually learn from? Repetitive, boring, does not give teachers opportunity to teach in their own methods. Recently moved to Wake County Did not experience prev ous curriculum. The MVP program seems to be "scripted" program/ way to teach. similar curriculum - different way to teach/learn - seems more exploratory. The way things are broken down in mvp is a lot more complex These k ds need help and how do you expect parents to help if they don’t know how to do it. This was a terrible curriculum the provided very little instruction, l ttle to no examp es of the concepts introduced. We worked with a previous wake county math teacher as a tutor just to understand the program. My child has not had this trouble in the past. The tutor also thought very poorly of the curriculum and info provided to the students. Data should determine effectiveness new to the area My son has been doing Common Core since he started school. I do not see the MVP curricu um and the strategies used being any different than the math he has been learning the past years Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP is 1000 times worse. There is no exp icit instruction, no notes, no study guides. Only practice problems n the r workbook which they were never explained how to complete. They fumble through them blindly and then when it comes time to review for a test there are no study materia s. Any math curriculum that has an actual text with actual formulas and actual guidance was better than this nonsense. It is a horrible curriculum that does not teach or prepare kids for math. They are fa ling behind. A/B students are getting D/F in math and are strong maths students Teache s are inflating grades Teache s aren’t qualified and students aren’t learning “Rote” learning has been used for years and is proven. I still remember my math from 25+ years ago from this method. Explaining, practice, etc. Math is not subjective and answers shouldn t be either. This program has way too much writing and word problems w th verbal explanations. It is not practice nor effective. The questions are poor y written and do not give the expectations of what the correct answer should be. “Explain” could be numerous answers. Math should not be that subjective. I have heard a lot of negativity about the program in media but my child does not seem to be impacted. He oves math. We have no info on either. There seems to be less instruction My child struggled more with MVP than with previous curriculums In theory, I think MVP has mer t; however it was poorly implemented Last year when my daughter's teacher followed MVP c osely she spent literally hours after school on the Internet watching youtube videos to teach her math. She would be given assignment with little or no direction and had to fend for herself. This year (math 2) she has a teacher that supplements the MVP curr culum where needed and she is mastering the concepts much better and doesn't have to essentially teach herself math. I have not received any information about the program No information was given about the previous method. I dont know what curriculum was in place before MVP in NC as my children were in elementary/beginning middle school when it was implemented. This is ridiculous that students do not learn through direct instruction Math had NOT changes in the last 200 years The MVP math curriculum requires students to learn on their own, causing the teachers to not teach and nstead watch over the students. It is not an improvement, however it is much worse than the previous curriculum where a teacher actually had to teach the c ass. MVP math is much worse than the previous curriculum Per my student, it fee s the same as my last curriculum (7+ Illustrative Math) This model for student learning leaves students strugg ing but not in a productive manner. Because it acks an initial direct instruction component, my child and many peers were left confused. When teacher instruction did occur, there was very itt e done to reduce the confusion that was already in place from the backwards approach to math learning. This is a pretty poor model for instruction and not worth the money that had been spent. I think it may be lack of teacher training on del very m daughter s teacher would tel them to get out their workbooks and work on page coaching or faci itating thinking around the mathematical think ng. without I just want my children to be successful in Math moving forward, it's not like the old days. While the presentation and processes may be different, the results have not been for my student. She has continued to re Croce A’s in both Math 1 in middle schoo and Math 2 Honors in high school. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have no idea what this survey is asking. No information has been given teachers are un nformative. I never heard of MVP math. I think I should be disappointed in the program if I never heard of it My A student feels like she isn’t taught with MVP, she’s feels like she is teaching herself and not in a good way. Too much inconsistency- depends on the quality of the teacher and how much they are able/willing to supplement the imited materials that come with mvp and actuall instruct Also h ghly dependent on good peer interact ons in order for ind vidual students to learn new concepts No modeling / guided practice / corrective feedback from teachers. I imagine few students learn effectively from this type of instruction. It seems that teachers are less likely to explain ho to do the work. My daughter did good with her math grades until start ng with this program. She now has more trouble. My child transferred into the WCPSS from another school that taught math based on specific subjects (i.e. algebra, geometry, calculus, etc.). It was confusing transferring in from a traditional subject based math curriculum. A so the group work is frustrating hen my child feels she is typical y carrying the weight of the group and constantly taking on the role of the teacher by leading the group. She would prefer that work be completed as an individual because grades are assigned. Also, she feels like she is doing double the work of the group because she is often times correcting others contributions to get a better grade for the group My child does awesome on hw and classerk, getting 90’s and 100’s but the work doesn’t correlate to tests and quizzes here she gets 50’s to an occasional 70 The teachers are not able to teach. The lessons the wants to learn without nstruction from the teacher. My child never had difficulties w th math pr or to MVP. The only way my child got through any math (the ast 2 years at Green Hope HS), was with the help of a professional, and expensive math tutor. I give the tutor ALL the credit, in teaching my child's math curriculum. From what I can te l, they are not being taught math. Bottom line, numbers are numbers, and there s only 1 right answer to a prob em. Moving away from the traditional math methods (even before MVP) was already causing problems, but now it's made it much worse. These kids are feeling terrible about themselves, their abilities, and feel like the teachers aren t there to help They are spending countless hours trying to learn math through other avenues. It's ridiculous. My son is beyond frustrated and of course he's a sophomore - these are the most important years for grades when applying to college- this is going to negative y impact h s future No actual teaching being done. It's about waiting for the kid to struggle and then explain the material. MVP has greatly reduced the students opportunity to learn and it is doing a disservice to our students. I would need to compare both curricula s de-by-side in order to give a valid response. Less direct instruction Less Teaching taking place I think algebra and geomet y should be separated Students are not receiving direct instruction/modeling. It’s great to make them think it out and challenge their problem-solv ng skills, but they also need direction. Instead they’re left overwhe med and defeated. One change I notice is that hen I look at his workbook I wonder if any of the answers are incorrect. There are no "marks" in red. How can he remember what he had a hard time with? Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Trying to force students to come up w th math so utions before they have been taught how to so ve a problem does not make sense. Students can benefit from learning real- orld applications of what they are earning, but they need a basic foundation of how to solve the problem before they can understand the real-world application The difficulty for my student s not having a set of rules to follow to solve the prob em. The students are eft to try to figure it out. This is frustrating and a waste of time. I do not know what support the teachers have received prior to rolling out this program, but it has not t anslated to the type of in depth instruction needed for this math approach Group and se f discover for math...sorry...for most people e actually prefer to be taught! If we wanted to learn from the computer and videos...why bother doing to school? Biased question as no choice definitively reflects a degradation in quality of instruction I am not satisfied with the approach of MVP, as many t mes I have fe t that my child is struggl ng with the concepts. Although ideally it sounds good but I feel its lacking in prov ding the right tools to children especially in Middle School where time and training is of essence so that they can be ready for H gh school. Ba ance of accurate instruction with rigorous practice is the key. I don t often see my daughters Math assignments. With so much being done onl ne now it’s not like she brings home work/assignments/tests. I just see grades I have no clue about this curriculum I only know that in middle and elementar school the way she was taught to do math was ridiculous Drawing boxes around stuff and doing all these long weird methods...so different from how I was taught. My daughter’s previous teacher told me he didn’t fo low the curriculum, so I don’t know what the differences are, honestly. Did not have MVP in previous school. (K-8) The exp anations were very complicated. The problems can be solved in an easier way that children understand My k ds are learning math more broadly, ith greater long-range benefits. This format of struggle first, teach second, or not at all is a poor way to teach math fundamentals. I am a huge fan of common core math for fundamentals. MVP is not a continuation of the positive common core principals My child is excelling in MVP math; likel in part due to the enthusiasm of the teacher I like the increased rigor, and the focus on "productive struggle", but am disappointed in the way assessments are graded (one early mistake can negatively impact success on future assessment items), and am disappointed that struggling learner's seem to be left FAR behind. My stra ght A, math loving daughter was failing MVP math badly. had to hire an experienced expensive math tutor ho spent 5-6 hours a week teaching her everything from scratch. Once she was being taught again, versus sitting at a table with other students who had no idea what they were doing trying to back into solutions, she was back to getting A’s. The teachers were not teaching and the curriculum was not working. I considered just home schooling her since that’s essent ally what we ended up doing with the math tutor. The teacher’s advice to me as to use Kahn academy online tutor als. The worst part of all of this is that my daughter, who used to have such great self-confidence in school and in math has completely lost her love for school and math because of MVP Self learning and group discussion are more suitable for social studies and English. Math needs to be taught and learnt. Math dependent application can be group learnt. MVP is detrimental to our students earning math They are no longer learning the necessary building blocks to progress in math. In choosing the answer above, I am saying that neither common core or this math is a good curriculum Both have been very disappo nting. You have to do a lot on their own without teacher nvolvement which is not the best. The former program was more hands on Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP math is not the answer. We need teachers to be able to teach, to be able to have more than a packet of information. We need the standards for Math to line up to the curriculum for math. We are going to see a drop in scores, EOC's as well as SAT/ACT. This is NOT a teacher problem, this is clear y a curricu um problem. The program was NOT vetted by teachers and t shows. Our children are paying this ultimate price and we need this to stop now. Working in the school system I see the toll that it is taking on professionals in the classroom, tutors that are overworked, students that are having emotional problems and losing faith in themselves This needs to be fixed We were not in the WCPSS for the previous curriculum to compare. MVP does not help teach skills needed for math understanding. Many students need direct instruction and skills practice. This resource does not provide sufficient practice to students. Materials have numerous errors. Materials and sequencing do not align with NC testing objectives Program and the style of mplementation do not support students love for math and cont nuation in math courses. Tutors are required to help reinforce and teach concepts that are overlooked in the program. My daughter came from a private school with a direct method of teaching in an advance algebra class with straight A's to wake county public high school and now totally confused. Praying I made the right decision. My son has reall struggled w th the MVP curriculum His conceptual knowledge is weaker now, than eve before The program doesn’t seem to mesh with the way he learns. Students need example problems. Students and their families need a reference book or onl ne written reference mater al beyond videos) and examples. With the sparse resources available, my child was told to continue pract cing the very same prob ems she could not figure out how to do to learn to do them. (That last sentence is not a typo. It is the nonsense my child was told was the MVP approach.) She doesn’t have a teacher, just a class facil tator that encourages the kids to figure it out on the r own. It’s not fair to the students or the teacher real y. This is that one math program that wake county has ever used. Children need to be taught not made to figure t out especially when you don’t have a teacher to take the time to teach the concept after. HATE THIS MATH PROGRAM ACROSS ALL MATH LEVELS. Th s is not an ideal math program for children that struggle in math My daughter was performing well in Math prior to MVP. Her grades started falling considerably and I had to engage a tutor to make it through 8th grade. I hoped it was ust the teacher and that 9th grade would be better. It has not been. It has been orse because the concepts covered in the 8th grade were not covered sufficiently and there's no allowance for that situation. The tests continue to have material that is not covered in the workbook. Very frustrating. I was not a fan of common core and I do not see this to be better - just different My children did not use the previous WCPSS curriculum. However, they were new to WCPSS when they started high school, so they used a different traditional curriculum (Foerster Algebra & Jurgensen Geometry) in middle school. The MVP math curr culum is step down from the traditional curriculum they used previously both in terms of challenge and presentation It seems to be worse! If kids don’t have the basic taught to them, how are they supposed to figure out answers with other peers who are also confused? My daughter misses the direct instruction given by the previous curriculum. I never received my daughter's math score from last year, so I don't know how she ended up doing The curriculum does not prepare my child for other courses such as chemistry. Certain math is needed in order to understand and compute these other courses There is no teaching in the classroom. Students are given a booklet and left to figure things out for themselves. It’s an improvement but they’re both bad My daughters were always close to 100 average on math. They have never struggled more Please add any additional comments on the above topic: People are whining for no reason I GUARANTEE people cannot probably articulate and point out the differences between the two curricu um, they are just looking to blame anything other than their child I don t kno what Curriculum as used before in public school but compared to the Curriculum used in h s homeschool classes, MVP is NOT an improvement Not an improvement is a way to put it a bit too lightly MVP math is creating idiots out of our poor kids in math Let teachers teach and stop prescribing curriculum as important as math. Less retention of new skills, drastically lower grades (masked by s gnificant grade curving) lo er standardized test performance, intense student anxiety resulting in psychiatric recommendation for medication, 3-4 hours of work each evening, scouring internet for resources, no answer keys=studying incorrect methods, high tutor costs. MVP is horrible. My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds. He was an Honor student for years. Worst program ever He is learning NOTHING We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! Not suitable for class. Kids getting confused as opposed to learning While I like the aspects of corroboration and working in groups, I was not happy that in the end, my child seemed less prepared for the EOC than in previous years of math. In fact my student received the lowest score I have ever seen on an end of course/year assessment. If my child received straight A’s in the subject all year, why was he not better prepared? It is focused too much on a book that does not meet everyone needs. Al tests came directly from a book which many times did not match what they were focusing on in class. The Ready Set Go did not make connections bet een the steps. I do not necessarily see it as an improvement, but more of a different type of a methodo ogy/practicum. do see the benefits- but so many of our kids need the rote practice of "old school" re-teaching and backloading before they can think about working ndependently, regardless of whatever you want to name the curriculum. I do like the workbook, over a textbook, though - and there are many teachers across the county that have written their own workbook to provide additional backloading and reteaching practices that co ncide w th the MVP workbook For the first t me in years, our daughter has struggled to learn the concepts and has expressed a dislike for Math or any careers that involve it. Both of my daughters were straight A students until MVP was added into the curriculum. Now they struggle to maintain a C in math. They are frustrated because teachers are not teaching they are expected to figure it out. They would like to know how they are supposed to figure t out if never taught the info. We do not have the funds for an outside tutor so they are forced to struggle. It it AWFUL!!! !!! If you want to watch promising kids decide they can’t do math —- then use this. I saw so many kids lose utter conf dence in their ability to learn math because of the implementation of this approach. This is hardly a curriculum. t encourages kids to find the answers themselves with little to no “teaching” from the teachers and no textbook or other resources where the students could find the answers on their own There is no teaching!!! How can you even call it a curriculum when these poor kids just have problems thrown at them every day, with no instruction on how to solve them. My student learns by seeing examp es and practicing several problems. She does not get enough review and practice of the prob em. My daughter is a level 5 math learner, top 98% in the state. She loved math until MVP started. Her teacher used the book for 3/4 of the year and then stopped. My daughter felt she didn't learn a thing unti her teacher ( ho is an outstnading teacher) stopped using the workbooks and actually taught a real lesson. The entire class did better and enjoyed math more after that time Common core and mvp math are terrible. It saddens me to see so many people paying for tutors Really thinking about pulling my kid. He hates t. Grades dropped Eog score dropped Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP could be an improvement, however implementation and lack of thorough teacher training have not yet made it a better curriculum. Teachers do not yet feel comfortable with the curriculum and often do not know when to supplement for better understanding. It's awful. I have two sons in it. Students are left to figure out to much on their own, and are given very little nstruction/guidance from the teacher. Simple, basic algorithms are ignored. Students that are bright in math and very capable have become incredibly frustrated ith MVP. And why in the world are the e group tests? The MVP math curriculum is dreadful! There are no examples. The course materials seem to consist on y of worksheets with no explanat ons. There is nowhere to get help when needed. The organizational structure lacks cohesion. The lessons do not seem to match the intended outcomes. There are limited practice opportunit es The teacher that we had did not seem to have an understanding of how to implement that curriculum. MVP does not provide/encourage any direct instruction. It does not provide any example to demonstrate how a problem should be completed. MVP does not provide any formulas, some of which are critical to comp eting a task (you don't figure out what the quadratic formula is by doing group collaboration). By in large it doesn't define any vocabulary, which is often crit cal. There are errors in the curriculum - sometimes just simple typos. There are questions which are worded poorly. There are "real world" examples which don't always seem very real world. Wake County does not differentiate between the academic and honors units Seems to be the same for all levels MVP program does have some other un ts for honors level, but wake doesn't use them. The MVP supplemental resources aren't helpful either. I ordered the $50 "Homework and Helps" book for Math 1 and it turned out to be a waste of my money. I think it could be an improvement if teachers were able to have more flexibility in how they teach. I am all for critica thinking and collaboration, however sometimes kids also need a little direct instruction in math. My child should be able to ask questions of the teacher and not get turned away. While I appreciate the intent of have students earn to think more critically, the implementation of this curriculum is lacking. Too many teachers are not teaching at all. The data shows direct instruction s still the best way to teach math. Many students sti l are not getting any direct instruction. Having students try to fumble through teaching themselves a new concept is not only extremely frustrating but kills their confidence too. I see no value in making kids who were once confident about math now dread and hate the class/subject because they feel isolated and not supported That style of teaching may work for a few but it does not work for the masses and Wake Co failed their students in not understanding that My child was advanced in math unt l Math 1 and then he failed the class for the year. Two years ago my daughter loved math. Now with mvp hates it Thank you for k lling a young girls love of math. If that s the objective then It was successful This approach doesn’t seem to be logic based. My child’s teacher didn’t understand it and had to refer to her notes and materials very often hen she was explaining it. Worse, she would get it wrong often even with the notes, further confusing everyone. My child was an A+ math student and got a 63% this past year. Ruined his GPA. Seems l ke the stuff they want the kids to know is about the same They just don't teach it to them very well with MVP my daughter misses the examples that had been provided in her other school s math program - she was in honors math there and s in honors math at green hope and really feels like the teaching style/curricu um is not as helpful to students trying to learn Math shou d be taught by a teacher to the students, not by the students to each other. MVP math is all based groups and collaboration which in theory sounds great. However in practice is has proven to be a disaster. If there is not instruct on on concepts before they go into their groups to collaborate how are they expected to know how to answer higher order word problems? I liken it to asking them to perform a symphony before teaching them the notes. They need teacher led instruction first in order for them to be successful with col aboration. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This curriculum is horrible for our children as it stands in NC. There is no linear flow, meaning unit does not flow well into unit. Basic skills are not known before kids are given problems to work in many cases. Children with high grades are now failing. Wcpss is inflating grades with a huge curve to hide the issues. Teachers in my younger kids middle school refuse to use this course due to the poor design Teach first and et them extrapolate after. This program puts the cart before the horse. There is also no practice on skills learned due to all the time spent on figuring out one problem. Math is practice It is taught around the world in a similar manner (until MVP) and it works MVP broke it There is plenty of data to p ove it does not work from other distr cts. MVP math is not geared towards kids ho struggle in math. Teaching in an environment where k ds work in groups to solve a single problem prior to the teacher teaching them and then go over it class as a group s confusing. Even children who are strong in math are hav ng major difficulties with this new curriculum. Math should always be taught via d rect instruction from the teacher with repet tive practice problems. Homework for MVP math has kids doing problems they have not even gone over yet n class. have two chi dren in this program, one who struggles in math and one who is very good at math The only reason my strugg ing child is passing math is because she goes to tutor 3 hours a week where they teach it the normal way. I have a child who struggles in math and thrives on instruction in math. She is not able to teach herself math concepts. This curriculum serves a huge disservice to students like her not to mention the hundreds of dollars I have to spend on tutoring outside the school just so she can make a C Absolutely ridiculous. My k ds who normally get A's are struggl ng, and one of them now does not like math. Not sure what the difference is. This is my first child to be in 7th grade. There is little to no teaching happening in the classroom. Students are given minimal information then expected to figure out new material on their own. If this is such a great way to teach why not implement something similar for foreign languages because when you haven't been taught a math theory it is a foreign language? Science is taught first then students use that information to do lab work, why not just give them a booklet and te l the to have at it with the animals in Biology or chemicals in Chemistry? Because we all know without instruction they have no idea what they're doing. It doesn’t leave enough quality classroom time for students to achieve command of the material Due to the time required for the students to “figure it out on their own”, feedback from my student is several class periods are wasted and the teachers don’t have a lot of time left to teach the materia before they give a test or quiz. The frustration level is very high for math with my student who is strong in math. Both Children's math grades became lower and felt the subject matter as not as fun to learn Collaborat on is an important skill for todays society but children should not have to try to teach each other vs having a teacher prov de instruction and support. Teachers are not across the board eek I’m formers in how to instruct this program...my children felt discouraged and felt 0 support form their tea here’s...2 separate children in 2 different grades w 2 different teachers FRUSTRATING First time we have ever paid for outside tutoring. The purpose of teachers is to teach guide through their expertise. MVP is a h de and seek, ill-advised strategy Although I graduated summa cum laude, as a business major, I found this methodology cumbersome M son, who is more gifted than in math, had difficulties with this methodology Unfortunately, grades are so important in the context for college placement. We cannot afford to penalize our students with poor grades produced via MVP. The teachers are not teaching ! The kids aren’t learn ng anything. Since MVP has been implemented my child has don poorly and has always be an A+ student in math! From what I understand, students are put into groups to attempt to figure out how to solve certain types of equations. They brainstorm w thout having been taught how to actually solve the problems. Then the teachers go over their ideas. In my opinion it’s a waste of teachable time and from what my child tells me, the smart kids in the groups do all the work. MVP Math = in math class, teacher puts students in groups and ask them to f gure out math as a team I don't know about other kids, but my son told me that his group will probably take a thousand years to figure out Calculus. Calcu us was invented by Newton and Leibniz. My son is not that smart. MVP is such a detriment to our children. It is NOT the way to, for lack of a better term, "teach" our kids. There's no teaching involved. Clearly no one is benefitting from this program. It causes students an unnecessary amount of stress and anxiety. As a parent I should not need to hire tutors so my chi d is actua ly TAUGHT the math he's supposed to learn from the teacher. If this was such a great concept of "teaching" other subjects would adopt this concept. It has not. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My 0 dest ent through Math 1 before the shift was rmde. Both programs require the student to be an avid note taker while learning a new concept; which is not best practice. Students should be given notes workbooks, or material to reference in addition to their notes. I hope it's an improvement but I can't rea ly say since my child is advanced in math and in AIG since 3rd grade MVP is a terrible cu'riculim that is not preparing my kids for college. Some of my students think Common Core Math was already a great math system unt MVP was implemented My kids who used to be an A student to a student. I feel that the teachers are not teaching this curriculum It seems to be peer to peer instruction and harder to determine what is really correct mtil the grades suffer. My gh school students have on had MVP based instruction. camot cormare as our family has no etperience ith the previous curricu um. Why not teach math instead of weird ways to get an answer? Confusing and complicated. Where do 1) Previously, math teachers TAUGHT They introduced the lesson, worked through mdtiple etamples and applied the math to real life scenarios In MVP, a topic is introduced and students struggle to figure out how to solve it The homework questions often assume a level of math background, and real world experience, that the students haven't been expowd to 2) Previously, lessons were arranged by topic (algebra, geometry. trig, etc), in a logical, sequential order. The topics were in?depth and bui upon the prior days' lessons. MVP math skips around, doesn't scaffold and doesn't draw log cal connections. 3) Previously, materia were provided that were relevant to the math lesson and had mtitiple emmples students codd reference when doing homework. MVP has workbooks that present scenario problems students are supposed to solve. There are no examples, no opportunity to refer to materials. 4) Previously, tests were based on the wit that had been taught. MVP unit lessons do not correspond to the tests for those units. 5) Previously, students received the tests back and parent had access to them. Under MVP tests are not allowed to be brought home. 6) Previously, the majority of students the math being taught and a minority did not. Under MVP, the opposite is true. 7) have personally spoken to a water of teachers who absolutely hate this program Not only that, they have said it?s discriminatory to minorities (non Caucasian, ELA, etc). The one concerning factor for me with MVP is the concept of the students self?teach ng or learning in grows. When I heard that that the teacher introduces a concept and then the students can work together or ork groups to determine how to solve math problems, was ?oored. My child was a strong math student until this curricdum was introduced and now she struggles Math seems to be one thing does well This is my ?rst student to take MVP or high school leve math. It seems very different than previous math cu'ricdums Corrmon Core math is awful. As an adult ho works in finance, I had a very hard time trying to figure out what on earth the school was teaching because the method was all wrong My son is very good at math and was able to work through the Common Core, but my daughter struggled Now, with MVP they both strugg e. Math is taught online and they both have a hard time adjusting their eyes between paper, computer and teacher. It is distracting. I don't know if this is MVP, or the teacher, but both kids have struggled th the inplementation of MVP MVP has been an awful curriculum for my daughter. She was no longer being taught. Math instruction was no longer prov ded. nstead of direct teacher instruct on, the class is told to figure out how to problem solve. Problem solving 3 often dif?cult, not accurate, vague, and frustrating without actual instruction on the process Also in 9th grade even if she had the correct answer on tests, at least 15 points were removed if the actual showing of work in regards to this MVP style. This method of grow work and penalizing caused a straight A gifted student to low all confidence in her math abilit es We moved from out of state, so we have not erpe ienced the prev ous curriculum Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Math 1, 2 and 3 are coupler at the very minimun and my son is struggling with how the teachers teach the material. That, plus grow work and group quizzes aren't helpful. My child regularly reports that she received no guidance on materials sipposedly covered in class and frequently expresses confusion as to what is going to be covered by erams. She frequently complains about lack of teacher involvement and a complete absence of support throughout the learn ng process Much less teaching of math which has left my daughters confused and try ng to figue out math through other avenues My son ent from being an A math student to barely holding onto a B. Confusing way of 'teaching' math. Teachers are not teaching core skills. Children are struggl ng even those good at the subject previously. MVP math does not teach our ch ldren with enough instruction to learn. It is a shame that when you' child needs further instruction in class they are told to ask their piers and come up with grow solutions, especially when none of the children mderstand how to comp ete the work. What is even worse, is when your child needs help and the teacher is directing them to use the Khan Academy for step by step instruct ons, and furthermore ssues ertra credit for Khan academy assignments that are completed My student is an AIG student who previously received straight As in math until this year as an 8th grader in Math I. She was tears over math by Thusday in the very first week of school because she could not mderstand what she was smposed to be doing. For a child ho previously moved very quick with a direct teaching method to suddenly struggle with no explanation was very upsetting for her. She could not mderstand why she suddenly didn't get the concept right away. This is a direct result of an ind rect teaching methodology but she had no idea that was what was happening. Now she thinks she isjust not good in math. This is directly the fai ure of the wake county school board to use proper and basic change rmnagement capabilities. Horrendous curriculum Unproven ?Discovery-Inquiry" deology. Teachers do not teach and no eranples in (non oustent) textbooks. Students learn from their parents at home or through tutoring What is the point of my child going to class? I tel my kids to work on practice sheets or problems I give to them in class. We use old textbooks puchased on Amazon: Dolciani and/or Larson. I am answering this question based on my children's feedback. I have had 2 children at 0 different schools in the MVP and they both say there is not a lot of teacher nvolvement. They want to learn from their teacher not from thermelves their peers. MVP requires students to test on conputers. Teachers don?t teach the mater al for MVP but have the students learn on their own and ask quest ons. In my experience, the The MVP curriculim is faulty on two major fronts. First. the materials are Full of errors. ang es are not indicated with the right angle notation. Nmbers are missing, variab es are in one place and in another for the same erample. This material has not been proofread. I am also concerned because this curriculum expects all students to be at roughly the same level and have roughly the same level of commitment to the grow tasks This is simply not the reasonable case In my child's oms, he is regularly the only person focusing on the work and doing the work, yet everyone gets credit for his contribution. Additionally, if there something he doesn't understand, he hast to teach it to himself because the teacher does not offer rect instruction or force the other students to do their part. There should be much better materials provided to the student with many more resou'ces for where to get direct instruction. While I understand the concept of struggle eading to deeper mderstanding, I do think that instruction is also mportant. Oi: experience with the MVP program left ou' daughter without any instruction or sipport. And it eft me trying to ?nd alternative forms of stpport: Khan Academy and whatever I could find via Google searches. Sal from Khan and I were doing the teaching and she spent her math period lost as they tried to 'discover' and 'collaborate' MVP is nothing more than a poor ecuse for a 'script' for teachers to use There are three teachers at our school who should be hired to create the curricdim. It would be so much better and actua ly teach the students. Teachers are bright people who understand their students. MVP is an insdt to what some of our teachers are able to do I am embarrassed to tel my relatives Ohio, where their students are excelling in Math, achieving high scores on standardized tests and being accepted to the best colleges that ou' school district has inplemented a curriculum that is ajoke. It is sloppy, riddled ith errors and doesn't provide practice problems. EVERYTHING requires practice including Math. Such an enbarrassment Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP is watered down discovery math lacking in depth instruction Because students are required to "discover concepts that codd be told them lessons take 45 minutes that could be taught in 5 minutes. There is not enough practice or depth. I can on speak from our experience but our daughter iked prior to this class and now has anxiety and self doubt about her abilities. She was an A student in Math before this class. For a struggling student in math, it is ustrating and a turn off Collaboration is great in theory but doesn't always translate well in the classroom As a parent of a struggl ng student, it has been very dif?cult for him. Not a fan! Don't have enough information Supposedly there wasn't a previous standard math curriculum however, there was a different way students learned math. They were actually given instruct on and formu as Now Math 1,2, and 3 are are more collaborative classes for the students with the teachers giving very little nstruction. This leads to confusion. Also, my son received grow grades for math. He understood the concepts but others in his group didn't and that brought down his grade. The curriculum does not teach in a way that resonates with my children. Many times the problems in the packets are confusing and unclear. We didn't experience the previous cmicdun however, any math class taught wodd be a vast improvement over this garbage Kids do not get big picture of hat they are doing. Hard to follow workbooks and N0 teacher nstruction. Just workbook work To put it oldest daughter has gone from oving math class to dreading it. I have had to hire a math tutor for 2 years in a row now to assist her. I love the gorous thinking that is involved in my child's curicdum. I believe that the real world connections are better preparing her to be college and career ready. My ds are coming home more confused than ever. My children have seen their grades suffer over the last two years and have lost the dr ve to work hard when they know they're just likely going to fail. The conbination of Geometry, Algebra and Trig in a school system that performs block scheduling isn't fair There isjust too much for kids to learn and to ecpect them to do it in a half of a school year is cmel My understanding is that MVP isn't a curriculum as such. It consists of materials which smposedly match our NC curriculum standards and also was implemented in such a way that restricted teachers' freedom to deliver instruction in an appropriately differentiated way to meet the needs of their students. I realize that, prior to MVP, the teachers were having to assenble curricu um materials themselves, and that was a burden on teachers as well as reedted a wildly variable implementation among schools. However, MVP materials are frequently granmatically and syntactically incorrect, which renders a language-based curiculum nearly useless. The lack of of?ine pr nted instruction materials (like a textbook) and worked examples make at?home learning burdensome. I have noticed a significant decline in the my child's ability to understand math. My daughter is very driven and wants to succeed but she is hav ng an increasingly hard time mderstanding her math (she new in Math Ill) and he stress levels have significantly increased to the point where she is getting stomach aches a week before a math test. We have hired a tutor for the first time ever (which is a ?nancial and time buden) and half the time the tutor can?t figure out some of the problems she is being given. I worry about her ability to be able to do higher math like calcdus due to this new way of 'teaching' math are used because she is no longer being taught math-she 3 having to figure it out on her own or stress if she can't figure it out) In my opinion it sounds like my children in a sense teach themselves (or learn from other students) the concepts and I often wonder what the difference would be between learning from this book and being horneschooled and Ieaming from a computer. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Math curricdum in Wake Comty has been declining since the inception of corrmon core standards in 2012. The previous curicdtm was far from perfect, but had inplementation taken place gradually beginning with grades K-2, it wodd have had far more success. Any quality curicdum wodd build on previous knowledge and reasoning skills order to continue to the next level. The catch-up required to get older students ready to learn the cu'rent year's concepts a totally different way that btilds on methods of thiriting and problem solving is too much to expect from the students and even good teachers to accomplish injust a single school year I watched older elementary students struggle well into high school, while younger student was thriving mder corrmon core as he was in when it was implemented. Having the carpet yanked out from under him, so to speak, with the sh ft to Open Up math in 6th grade 3 tuning my strong student into a student who hates math! This program allows teachers to refer kids to videos instead of actually helping them understand. Please get rid of MVP or offer the option of non- MVP Math. It's not directed to students with different learning skills or disabil ty. Some teacher do not know ho to adequately teach it to students. The MVP cmicdun says it is rigorous when it sjust confusing and doesn't give students time to practice. There isn't any flow to it, and it doesn't match the state standards. There are many amaz ng teachers out there who were providing rigor and smporting the productive struggle without this cu'ricdun Teachers aren't given an opportunity to teach. You can on introduce learning by peers hen students have a mastery and are ready for deeper ecploration of a known topic that they have an interest in further exploring. This method shoddn't be used when students haven't learned the basics. Irmgine trying to learn a new language by a peer who didn't speak the language. It's a recipe for failure before you start. You learn from etperts, aka teachers, not peers who are at the same beginning learning stage. In business, I'm not going to ask a peer who knows nothing of the topic. Even if we worked in groups, it's a waste of time because no one in fact knows the answer. 'm going to ask the subject matter expert, which is case are your teachers. MVP has ndered my child's learning. It's not beneficial at al MVP does not provide enough practice Students can't learn how to factor by doing two problems They need dozens And the HW practice sometimes has NOTHING to do with the work 'done' in class. I put 'done' in quotes because madly guess ng with you' peers isn't 'doing rnath' it's 'rnadly guessing.? The idea of ?teaching yourself" is not effective or va uable to the concept math has had for many decades. At the end of the day some math is strictly memorization. Why fix something that isn't broken? I can't corrment because I have no idea what MVP is. The fact that both my freshman and sophomore boys are nearly failing tells me is NOT an improvement. They never struggled in math mtil high school! I do not believe in a grow cr'rt cal thinking math curricdum for high school math especially for those that are going on to higher math for college MVP does not teach math skills or base concepts We moved from out-of-state, and the MVP 3 much worse than our previous cu'ricdum Why change Math? Differentiate for math learners but don't htIt average students by aperimenting with math. Very disappointed cwricdum and teaching. Have to re?teach every night. Starting th "Open up' math with one kid to my other ho is taking Math 1.. BOTH now have an OUTSIDE beyond the ertra help that the teacher is try ng to give. Both of these kids have always done well UP UNTIL now. Now a of a sudden they are failing math, and each day that passes get more and more behind. STOP the madness and let's go back to the way things used to be and allow the teacher to teach. MVP is based on discovery learning, although integrating pa ts of discovery learning opportunities in the classroom can be good, must be balanced with direct instruction and procedural practice which is lacking in MVP. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I don like the lack of a textbook. I don't I ke that students arejust left to discover how to solve problems on their own. The program is not student or parents friendly. The feed back We had from teachers is that the program does not meet their students needs and has to be heavily smplemented so that students can mderstand It is very hard to help my child with the new math methods based on howl leamed math sk lls. Totally different teaching method The lack of nstruction in the booklets (and discovery process) makes sometimes difficult for parents to understand what is erpected to be gained from each part of the lesson. I think the discovery part is a good thing, I think the relative decrease in repetition with computations is a bad thing avera l. I know my son thinks if he understands he doesn't need to practice. There is a certain nunber of reps that is needed to get better even at basics of process of solv ng problems My son 3 consistently confused about the math activities and has less of a concrete fomdation of the math they are sipposed to learn He goes to teacher tutor sessions during and can barely get a question answered because there are always so many other students who need help too. Scripted is not better if teachers aren't a lowed to answer students questions and teach My son said it is much more confusing and not challenging. MVP is an absolute mess! The entire common core cur culum is awful! We need to back to basics Algebral, Geometry, Algebra etc my son will be struggling all though college thanks to MVP. This cu'riculu'n is counting on students to teach themselves. I have had 3 students all go through MVP math for years each and each of my children has a different level of math ability. Even my "strongest" Math student struggled mightily with this curricu um and all three levels. My ?weakest" math student has really lost all con?dence in his abilities and is doing very poorly. It has served none of my children well There's no text books. There's no teacher TEACHING the lessons. Students depend on each other and fingers crossed they get paired with a smart one! The students aren't being taught the skills they need for futu'e math courses and the SAT and ACT. This 3 putting our children at a huge disadvantage when applying to college. It has made my children hate math where as they used to like it My child has gone from doing great in math to failing MVP is not teaching kids the concepts of math. It discovery math and my child does not learn well using this technique. She needs direct teaching from the teacher, using math concepts that will teach her how to do the math and understand it. Th 3 curriculum has caused lots of tears, ertra work, lots of extra help. MVP is NOT an inprovement over the previous curricdum. This discovery earning method is terrible and not applicable at Mathl, 2 or 3 leve . It would apply to more advanced math classes once the kids have the foundation. They need a lot more practice to get the basics. This curriculum does NOT provide enough practice. It also doesn't have clear links between what is taught and the tests which is very frustrating to all the kids They cover materia in the unit but it never fails there is on the test that they've never seen before. My ds took Open Up resources for math (they are currently in math 1) The two are similar, but my daughter says she dislikes MVP even more, because she doesn't like the ?Ready/Setho' set up. MVP requires exploration of topics. but lacks the basic theory education for students to apply the concepts No textbooks are provided which 9 ve the basic formulas for students to apply to work. The created online resource provides a ist of vocabuary words, but does not provide definition or links to applicable content. The MVP topics ould be useful for application once students have a basis of the content. This instructional program is awful. Making students ?f gure out? things in grows is not leaming. "Discovering your own path" to mathemtics problems is asinine. This program is setting kids back and run ng any previous aptitude or affinity they may have had. My kid is constantiy strewed and this program has destroyed what used to be a straight A students confidence in their mathematical abilit es Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have 2 children in One 3 a senior and got through math before MVP. The second, is a sophomore that had MVP math 2 and is currently in math 3. That child use to do very well in math and wanted to study a math related degree in college. Since starting MVP, that has all changed. The math grade has plunmeted, all confidence has been lost, hates math and thinks college sn even possib e. Not being taught math and being left to discover it on their own is ridiculous. The group discussions consist of al the students sitting around saying they have no idea what to do. The only reason the material is that We spent a fortune in math tutoring Parents should not have to do that so that the school district can replace teachers with low paid babysitters while students self discover math. I'm all for students learning to think on their own and applying their knowledge on real life problems but math needs to be taught first. Students can't self discover it. The MVP cur culun is also poorly written and materials are fi led with mistakes. It has destroyed several years of students in Wake Comty. Those students will face a huge disadvantage in applying for college and in career success. Those teachers that veered off the MVP curriculun and actually taught the math concepts were reprimanded and/or fired. Many math teachers in the comty have quit because of this cu'ricdun. Teachers aren't teaching and are expected to figure it out on their own. There is no logical flow to learning the mterials. MVP doesn't keep these kids nationally competitive. Kids are now graded with a curve, but not ref ecting what they haven't learnedclass but really only learned about a 0'3 worth of math, compared to other schools and BOE picked MVP AND previous common core curriculun. No one to blame but themse ves. From memorize to theorize. Where is the middle gromd mix? This is not the way Math shodd be My 0 der kids didn?t have MVP, but my yomgest does He's my STEM kid and I don't see that he 3 learning anything with the curiculun. He has a really good teacher who is thoughtful about how he teaches the class, but the curricultm by itself doesn't help the ds learn. The additional mater als that he is assigned do that, but my son has hows of homework each night. and I have to teach him has concepts that he isn't getting in class. The cu'ricdim requires prior knowledge that a lot of the kids don't seem to have before they take the classes. Both of the last math curriculum cho ces in Wake County have been spiraling, discovery based cu riculum The wo kbooks contain no examples to help students remerrber as well as lacking sufficient practice to master a concept for long-term retention. I much preferred prev ous curricula used by my sons (who have since graduated from which had better balance of scovery based learning, project based learning. and direct instruct on- with adequate practice for mastery and long-tenn retention of concepts It seems like the kids are responsible for teach ng thernse ves prior to class the assignment by watching videos, etc. There seems to be less practice than my year's in math. My daughter needs more practice on prob ems to get the concept. The way topics are introduced lacks appropriate instructional and relies on the student to magically figure out advanced material. At times it creates confusion and feeling of helplessness in my student. The videos that are supposed to help are not very helpful so far This system puts students who can get help from the parents or blings or have the monetary resouces to re tutors at a big advantage vs the lower income and students from famil es that don't have college degrees or math knowledge. We parents were told that the curriculum was written by Utah educators and the challenges of adapting the material to meet NC State Cu'ricdun Math Standards was stil ongoing - despite the fact that school had already started. It somded like teacher train ng over the sunmer had been rushed and was incomplete. My impression duing the semester was that the material was often presented in a format that at times requ red 'short answer touchy?feely responses vs. hard math facts/solutions. The workbooks were short on quality and quantity explanations, practice problems, etc. The teachers were often and or 'supplementing' material to meet NC Standards. Since the math curricuum changed in 2012-2013 it has been a disaster. Not only were the teachers untrained, but it also clear that the curricu um is missing ke concepts that were perhaps designed for instruction at an earlier stage, but left children who transitioned at later grades without those sk lls. Furthermore, the new curiculum does not contain any visua Ieaming components As all of the studies and documentation of best practices for learn ng state, there are 3 channels of learning audio, visual and netic The most irrportant is kinetic? Ieaming by doing. However a child cannot do what he has not been taught and the studies are also showing us that with each generation ch ldren are becoming more and more visua learners, tuning out the audial as background noise. So you have teachers talk ng and talking about a subject they don't fu ly understand, so the kidsjust hear 'b ah, blah blah," with no effective demonstration of the top who are then given workbooks to pract ce what they haven't learned with the predictable outcome of failure. Now you have a who other set of problems because those same children who are trying and not succeeding are being so damaged emotionally that they are giving up, feeling defeated and in some cases that I know of persona ly contenplating su'cide. I am seeking help outside of the school system and paying for a tutor for my children One of the families with a suicidal child that I know about is also paying for a therapist. I ask you, what of those fam lies that can't afford to pay for extra help? MVP is terrible. Let the teachers teach the students. Group work in math isn't always a good idea. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son comes home, for the first time, mable to cormlete work since not enough instruction in class. He has gotten incorrect info from clasanates in the table groups. Table mates frustrated if he asks too many questions. Even hiring tutors not beneficial. First time needing tutor. There is no textbook or information provided to the student if he does not understand what was taught in class. My son 3 taking math 3 curently and has said aspects don't make sense. Not sure teachers know how to address in classrooms. Maybe over time it gets bette but current students are paying the price Conmon Core math MVP math are equally horrible. They promote confusion instead of success. My son 3 regularly confused by the lessons whereas this never seemed to be the case previously. The majority of kids in the class, if placed in the appropriate levels shou be able to grasp 85% of the subject matter in via the mater als provided in class and what is taught by the teacher. We should not be expected to find resources at multiple websites to figure out problems that shodd be taught at school. Topics lessons in curiculun are ok its way class is directed is question. Needs to be changed. My son did well and understood the other math cirricul um. With this math cirriculium he had homework every night that was not ecplained to him in class He spent an average of 4 to 5 hours a night trying to teach himself the cirriculium In that there are actual written materials, MVP represents an inprovement over my daughter's previous math class. And I like some of what I see in her work books. Appears to be a I workbook instruction and very I ttle hands on instruction from the teachers. th MVP, students are not understanding the material and continue to fa I further behind. The USA sent men to the moon using the traditional math teaching approach. I strongly suggest we return to and stick with traditional math teaching methods. I think the students I see in my math and Engineering asses are missing the foundations they used to equation solving of linear, exponential and trigonometric functions. t's like they have heard the ideas, but do not mderstand the concepts and therefore, are unable to apply them My son 3 good at math and has struggled with the new curriculum There are parts that he likes such as the collaboration and the ability to solve the problem by using different methods. The hybrid of MVP with different methods (Including traditional rmth) seems to work better. In classes here they are taught MVP and traditional math 9 ves the students a better understanding. MVP math is the worst math program have ever encomtered. have 4 children and i taught the college level. The MVP cirricu um is ridiculous developed for lazy teachers who do not want to actually teach. MVP seems to direct student to learn on their own which I feel is not beneficial for a student leaning new material. The program has been detrimental for my son in Math 2 honors. He was a A student in middle schoo and dropped to a average. He was given mo help from the school or teacher and we had to hire a tuto From or: perspect ve, with 2 students in the school system, MVP has been terrible. My son loved math and science. After a couple classes with MVP, he no longer wants to pu'sue STEM careers The previous curriculun seemed to allow for the teacher to actual instruct the students and in areas where the class seemed to struggle was able to make sue that they were strong and proficient in that area before mov ng ahead. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Everyone's failing. Having grades curved to pass. There's no time for this experiment. Kids need to learn This curiculun is a corrplete waste of the students time. When the quizzes and tests are nothing like the homework they have been orking on is a complete joke. Homework should build the foundation for the quizzes. Nothing is taught in MVP. Per my student/child you are supposed to figure it out in groups. There is not enough support 0 help fo students who do not grasp the subject material the first time it is 'taught' The mate ial is not presented thoroughly enough for the average student to be ab to grasp it. When there is no support. students get frustrated and fall behind. And there was no help for them to catch in. This level of learning may work at higher institutions, but NOT in the middle or early high school setting. It is diff cult to tell there is an irrprovement when your child is on a block schedule and has math one semester out of the year I think yearlong math classes il produce more concrete learning for students rather than 9 weeks out of the year. MVP was horrible. teacher took this as permission to not be required to teach. ALL students struggling even th tutors. Teacher did not care. Told me that he is not allowed to teach to him that wou not tel anyone if he did. He should do what he knows is best for students instead of watching them struggle. Mr. Redelfs as horrible. Grades were supposed to be adjusted as lack of teaching was confirmed. NOTHING WAS EVER DONE and pr ncipal didn't even seem to care when all parents were corrplaining and students were openly discussing suicide My daughter's current teacher is AMAZING however, being a tutor, this MVP Math is not beneficial to students. If the rmjor ty of students have to find a tutor to TEACH them the material they should be learning in the assroom, this program is fa ling them. Progression through units is confusing and challenging to fol ow. Teachers unsu'e how to best expla n. The MVP cmicdun is HORRIBLE. My son went from straight As in Math to being confused and lost so much so that my wife is signing him up for $400/month tutoring. The concepts are neither explained by the teacher nor the workbooks. The space allowed for work is insuf?cient. If my son erases work on a graph, the graph lines disappear too, so the material quality is rong for the nature of the ark. Get of MVP as soon as possib e. Took away teacher apport and much more Q5 - Which statement best describes the level of rigor/challenge provided by the MVP math curriculum? The level of rigor/challenge of the MVP math curriculum is too high. The level of rigor/challenge of the MVP math curriculum is too low. The level of rigor/challenge of the MVP math curriculum is appropriate. 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Which statement best describes the level of rigor challenge provided by the MVP math curriculum? 1.00 3.00 1.76 0.91 0.84 2,425 # Field Choice Count 1 The level of rigor/chal enge of the MVP math curr culum is too high. 56.82% 1378 2 The level of rigor/chal enge of the MVP math curr culum is too low. 10.47% 254 3 The level of rigor/chal enge of the MVP math curr culum is appropriate. 32.70% 793 2425 Showing rows 1 - 4 of 4 Q16 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My 8th greater is a bright kid who has always been really good at math. He's had not troub e adjusting to the curriculum and, if anything, thinks it is too easy (which is okay, as he is very good at math). The choices above are poorly stated. It is not that the math is chal enging, it is that the methods do not teach. It is wasted time. The challenge it presents does not meet the needs of the student. If my goal s to teach you to bake a cake and the first thing I ask you to do is run a marathon, was the challenge too high or too low? NEITHER, IT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE CHALLENGE. The math curriculum as a who e is too rigorous for an average math student. The block schedule of school does not help the issue, making the students take 2 lessons per day in order to complete the curriculum with n a semester. i don't think it is about rigor it s about how children learn and need to be taught. I think the mvp is causing children to not master the material and continue to fail and feel like failures This is a poorly worded/ leading quest on. Without teachers teach ng the content the rigor s too hard. Why are kids expected to teach each other or themselves? Outrageous! There is no need for my student to be figuring out al of these topics with Khan Academy and tutors. The teachers should know the material and be teaching it to the students. My student needs hands on and visual learning. Reading a bunch of random story problems about things that don’t make sense and ould never be done that way in the real world is not teaching them anything. I say the challenge is too high because the kids have to teach themselves the material. It seems that the students are expected to "figure it out on their own" and my son talks about how they "divide and conquer" and each student does "what they are best at". While this works in some contexts, it seems counter productive to effect ve learning. Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. The examples done with the teacher was very basic and when the kids had to try it they ere very different and hard with no problems in between. Our son is starting to catch on but because of two bad grades on tests in the first t o weeks of school he will he unable to pull his grade up to an A before the semester is over. How about the level is inappropriate because you aren't providing instruction As a parent, I have no information to make this evaluation. Define 'rigor' Current approach is too choppy. Spreading out the info across 3 years instead of keeping it together is not serving our kids. It is not making the fluent in math concepts. I disagree ith paying a 3rd party for this service. The challenge is high because students are not taught fundenmentals or principles. Having students teach each other is negligent and irresponsible. My kids are introverts and are extremely uncomfortable in group/peer settings. My kids also report that many students "free-ride" and just get answers and not really learn the material. Finally, when kids self-select the groups, the smart kids pair up with like-m nded kids and you get reinforcement of existing behaviors, that is introverts go with introverts, smart kids with smart kids, etc. etc. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: However it is difficult because the kids are not being taught the material. It wouldn't be too high if there was some INSTRUCT ON in the workbooks sent home like there had been n the past n textbooks, rather than ust problems. Ho about putting t all on the teacher's website with help if it is an on-line program. I have not been given any information on this program, so I have no idea of the level of vigor It's not that the material is a leve of rigor it's that the k ds are self teaching and they need a teache to teach they cannot be expected to learn by video or self taught. Somet mes in the groups the kids learn THE WRONG WAY then have to relearn the material the right way or they just miss the sk ll entirely because of the pace of the class and they move on. MVP is absolute y the worst curricu um ever forced down our throats. As I stated previously, we've had 4 children go through WCPSS and this is BY FAR the biggest snag we've ever hit. Other kids graduated in 2010, 2013, and 2017 and I am so glad for them that they did and were spared this garbage! I don t think the rigor/challenge is the problem It seems to be how the skills are taught, or the lack of teaching and exp anation in class. According to my son (7th grade Math-1) mostly appropriate. There seems to be a big disconnect between Math 1 and Precalculus, and my daughter (who had previously en oyed math and easily earned A's) scraped by with a C in PreCalc with the help of a tutor at $40/hour x 8 sessions. Th s was probably the worst experience we've has as a family in WCPSS. C early my daughter was unprepared for what came in PreCalc, and unfortunately the teacher was not pat ent in working with her. I have no idea However with certain teachers it becomes too much of a burden on students to teach themselves. My son’s 8th grade math 1 teacher taught the curriculum and used the workbook for in class exercises. This as appropriate What I am hearing about teachers not teach ng math and letting kids learn math on their own is concerning. My son with ADHD will not ask for help. This is part of h s insecurity as a result of ADHD. How does this program cater to all students? Again not sure if too high/too low too early for me to te l Not sure. Also having ssue ith the effectiveness of the teacher beimg ab e to readily teach the math concepts to students The students are not being taught by teachers. I had to hire a tutor for both of my chi dren taking MVP curr culum. Not necessarily hard in terms of content but rather the fact the kids get little assistance No information about this was provided. There is little introduction/instruction on the part of the math teacher. This lack of involvement increases the chal enges of the MVP curriculum. Too hard because they are not really learning and feel frustrated because their questions are not being answered. They need to learn HOW to do the problems and be able to ask questions when they don’t understand or they will be turned off to math completely. That is what is happening The teachers are struggling to teach both MVP and common core math They are frustrated with the mater als as well The challenge is too h gh because the kids are having to spend time outside of class (tutoring, Google, etc) to learn the the basic concepts. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Above. High? Answers are right/ rong. You threw them to the wolves. The only ones that passed were ones who had teachers that didn’t follow program to the letter but they’ll never admit it MVP manuals are pitiful. They need more examples worked out in detail for reference Then students can reference the examples wh le earning the materia . I don t really know about the r gor I just think my son didn't learn it might have been the right challenge, but it didn't work for him WE don't currently have a child taking Math 1, 2 or 3 so we are not seeing the transition. My sense is that the math itse f is part of the problem but the presentation method is also an issue; need to get to the math and work more problems... but that requ res work from both students and teachers. I don t think this question applies. R gor is not the short coming of MVP. MVP's is flawed n it's cohesiveness of teaching the top c. Although attending tutoring and getting help when needed my student has difficulty absorbing the content from teacher and does poorly on test. My student has been a strong math student through middle school I don t kno about the rigor of it, I’m concerned that the instruction of the material is not given in a productive way. The tests should reflect info that was taught, this seems to not be the case I am answering this question this way NOT because the material was too hard or too cha lenging academ cally. ...I am answering it this way because the WAY that MVP is taught was challenging. My daughter having to teach herself was not only challenging but frustrating. The group learning was challenging with little or no direction. An entire class period spent trying to find the correct way to solve a problem with a group only to find out at the end of the class that it was not correct. This not only defeated the kids but made them extremely frustrated. After a class like that my daughter would have to use outside resources that she found herself to try and teach herself the lesson and spend way more time on her HW than she should have. MVP took the fun out of math. She absolutely hated math by the end of the semester. Math is challenging enough for average and LD students. Th s program should be for gifted students. MVP wasn t being taught o challenging bc t was done as a group of kids self teaching It's not the rigor that is a prob em. It is the teaching style. The rigor and challenge is not the right kind of challenge. My child is ost in MVP The lack of instruction the horrif c workbook has led my child to have anxiety over the her lack of success with this curr culum. MVP math is awful! It wouldn’t be too high if there was guidance from the teacher. Why do we even have a math teacher now, we just need an adm nistrator, someone who just collects and shuffles papers. The amount of time the children had to spend on this curricu um was exhausting Homework was beyond hard and the children ere having to receive help from peers or teachers for assistance. I felt like there was a lot of videos on teachers, but not actual instruction or know edge of the curriculum from the teache The rigor has nothing to do with the cr ticism. Math is math and certain concepts (fractions for example) might be harder for some to grasp than others. This is just another way to try and package a simp er way for teachers s to teach It is a g mmic. I say it is too high due to the lack of educational tools supplied to the student by the county. Even in college math when a student is assigned a math problem in a math lab online there is a tool for a student to see an exact similar problem and the steps on how to do the problem so a student is able to teach themselves. The fact that there are no instructions or examples is why I rate the curriculum as too high. If these resources were availab e to all students in handouts or a book then I feel it ould be appropriate. One should not have to hunt down examples online on WCPSS website. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP was very challenging as my student never understood/grasped the concepts This made her very frustrated and not conf dent in her ability to perform math functions. She has ALWAYS understood Math and performed wel prior to the MVP match curriculum. Only f well presented and concept ell explained to the k ds I don t feel any of the questions above is correct or wrong. It s not a question of hether it's challenge is high or low but more so is the data showing evidence that students are in fact imp oving in their knowledge and love for math In addition I would sa the teachers and students should be the dr ve of any change that will be made. My son as discouraged from taking advanced math his 6th grade year which could have put him in Math 2 as an 8th grader. He is currently underchallenged. This is not math, its an attempt to ruin something that is obviously hard to understand for some people for a reason. If you wanted to experiment with the way math is taught perhaps you should try to pilot it at one school, rather than rolling it out system-wide and spoiling the chances of thousands of students of getting A's and B's. The level is ok for my student, but the ay it is presented is confusing. Luckily, he has a very strong math teacher, who s able to teach it well. Thinking is not encouraged Level of challenge would be appropriate ith more teach led instruction. There is not enough support in the school to help the youth that are falling behind in math with this curriculum. Difficult to say until we have the data on how these students wi l perform in STEM classes in college. Our students are the guinea pigs...again ...think back to Trailblazers what a disaster that program was. It was one of the reasons that pulled my children out of public school for K-5th grade. I anted them to have a strong foundation in math...not adding "cubits" on their fingers to understand the concepts of area/volume. I come from a family of teachers and this is just another way for a group/business rearranging/restructuring curriculum so that they can get a bunch of $ for books/worksheets/etc. Math is math...2+2 is still 4...a^2 + b^2 = c^2... MVP is just another Trailblazers. it's not even about rigor or challenge, it's about learning the topic, and they aren't learning the topic I have a 16 YO special needs and he struggles with math topics, so I can't compare until my next kid gets there in 4 years. It is hard to tell if the MVP curriculum is too hard or if her teacher is just unprepared to teach it. Our experience has been that our daughter is not learn ng how to do the math at school. We are having to learn it and teach it her at home. It's great to encourage students to explore, think, and learn on the r own. It's a d saster to expect that ALL of them can/will do so. None of these statements are accurate... MVP as a ro lercoaster ride for my child . One week he was acing everyth ng the next failing.. The level of the curriculum s appropriate however the method of how the content s taught or presented is not a sound method to teach this level of math. There is no teaching There is the teacher saying ask your group the students don’t KNOW the information how can they TEACH EACHOTHER??? The TEACHERS should be TEACHING IT hich they are not!!!!! rigor does not mean senseless repetition. Materials need to illuminate and llustrate concepts by direct explanation and not by expository excommun cation My son s in double up math so he is moving at an accelerated rate that might not be comparable to other students. It is confusing Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not sure It wasn't a challenge. The students were not equipped n the classroom for the expectations provided by the curr culum. No one cares about the rigor when the assignments and what is being taught are not aligned with each other. The program is not working. The teachers are not teaching. They are putting the kids in groups and hoping they figure it out and the kids aren’t. And before the can they’ve moved on to a new unit My child found that MVP has the right amount of rigor. The lessons maybe easy and are comprehensible yet can be hard, and challenge her as a student to elaborate more. The rigor/challenge is entirely dependent on the teacher. Sometimes is is perfect, sometimes they don't teach at all. I have had to hire a tutor to help my child who is an A student to just get a C in Math III which is obsurd This makes no sense. The tactic of having a student use existing knowledge to try to solve a new kind fo problem,without pre-teaching the steps, is too difficult for my child. It’s not a question of r gor or challenge. Very little is being taught, making almost al of the content too “challenging” to master. As with many of these assessments evaluat ons, the tend to be pie in sky initiatives that get dumped onto teachers who are already overwhelmed and lack the resources to teach the current fundamental concepts consistently. It does sound good on paper though and gives us parents the warm & fuzzies. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the pushing the students and achieving great things. However, f you going to do it don't drop the ball on the important classroom level details when executing something like this. The challenge (not necessarily the r gor) of MVP math curriculum is too high only because students are struggling to learn the material when MVP is used on its own. Because my daughter is taking a higher level math, I'm not sure that can answer that question appropriately. My daughter used to ove math and now really struggles with it. She s in tears tonight over her latest test. She is an A student in all classes except math The students are covering too much information in a short amount of time The teachers are not teaching the content as much as I think they should and instead expect the students to figure things out on their own. My daughter is frustrated and upset. This is not how a school should encourage a love of math. I do not know anything about this Interestingly this is hard to answer with the overs mplified choices given. This program IS NOT too challenging or rigorous in the traditional educational sense of assessing curriculum. I have to pick “too high” simply to be able to imply how much this disappointing curriculum is harming our k ds, their self confidence, their prior success in math, and their future loss of competitiveness for college due to horrible failures with this math. It’s poor y written, researched, vetted and implemented. The most astounding thing yet is this free curriculum contracted to our schoo system is costing parents ridiculous sums of money for tutors or pa d help/ links via their website Some of us literally cannot afford this “free curriculum” and this is public school! We should not have to pay for our kids’ education in public school. Come On. I don t think it’s rigorous because the kids aren t learning from the teachers. It’s frustrating. I don’t understand why there are math teachers if Math 3 was a self taught. When my daughter went to ask for help from her teachers to become familiarized with the concepts that they were supposed to master he told her to figure it out herself. It’s not to rigorous unless the top c is not being thoroughly covered and discussed with students. Online student help is he pful but it’s more useful for the teacher to address the topic thoroughly in class Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Don't know. I am unaware of this curriculum. See comment above. No idea what MVP contains,its difficult without knowing about the subject to comment. Teachers have had to use add tiona resources above and beyond the MVP workbooks The content seems appropriate, but the print materials are not adequate. What rigor or challenge?...teachers are no longer 'teaching' math. 'Teacher" is a misnomer...MVP has 'work assigners' and expects children to learn via osmosis and structureless class work. This isn't a serious academic program.. this is madness. Assuming that what I read is true. Teachers don't teach. You're requiring students to learn on their own and and teenagers are not college students. ork n groups. Group work doesn't work, If the teachers don't teach and expect kids to figure it out on their own - this seems ridiculous MVP does not provide students basic info they need to succeed for reasons stated above. We don't have any idea The materials do not provide a good foundation for the subject matter. My child is earning this on his own. MVP provides little to no instruction to complete problems. Teachers are inadequately trained. MVP is subpar and overcomplicates the work The level/rigor is NOT the issue. There is no instruction going on. That is the issue. Kids can’t figure math out by ta king with other equally clueless kids. Most kids sit n class confused.. I was in high school 35+ years ago. The instruction and repetit on in my high school math classes led to understanding. My teachers showed how to solve problems AND expla ned why and how concepts were connected. I can still solve my child s math 2 problems this many decades later using my antiquated learn ng! And I do not have a math or engineering degree. My child’s teacher s determined that kids should discover math. Have you tried having work thrust at you and to d to use what you know to figure it out? I dare say you would struggle. My exceptiona ly gifted child who is working grade levels ahead in math gets exasperated by the lack of teaching and explanation The teacher even told them one day it took her 4 hours to figure out a problem. How can you expect our kids to fare with this nonsense? Why can you not understand there is nothing inherently rong with teachers teaching and explaining . This curricu um puts average and struggling earners at an extreme disadvantage. We have seen what our gifted child has been exposed to and have opted to send our other 2 to pr vate schools where the traditional math sequence is taught. Not every chi d is going into a math/science field. Please consider offering a traditional math sequence for those students. My student felt t was appropriate- he was able to easily engage with the curriculum provided by his excellent teacher, Mr. McMahon. His teacher ent above and beyond to explain the curriculum even though the packet as supposed to be given and se f-taught. It seems there was a balance of guidance provided at our school where my understand ng of schools where problems arose mainly offered the MVP curriculum with the expectation that students would self teach themselves the concepts which honestly sounds like a terrible idea The methodo ogy is d fficult to follow, hich makes it more challenging than it should be If teachers don’t teach the nformation it’s a little a hard to comprehend when you don’t know what you are doing Many of the problems in the MVP book are not written and explained well. I am a statistician with advanced math degrees. I found myself having to explain to my ch ld why the problems are not worded clearly and correctly. A lot of so ca led experts in math education do not have enough and solid math background. This is a trick question. There should be more real teaching and guidance. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: No idea I can’t accurately answer this question. I selected nothing because these answers are guided to give unfair results for feedback Seems alot of money, time and resources are going nto changing, implementing and failing at executing, while our students are the ones punished. Why not ask the teachers, what they want and how the TEACHERS see this would be best for their students Yes, home office is great You lack the classroom knowledge of a consistent schedule Crazy you spend our money this way! My student says the rigorousness is fine, with teacher ass stance but often confusing to figure out herseld. My child continues to say that the teacher is not exp aining the "process" to get the answer. Most of the t me the lesson moves to fast to understand how to get the correct answer. The level of rigor/challenge is directly related to the method of teaching. Because the teaching is practically non-ex stant, the level is therefore TOO HIGH! The level would be fine F THERE WAS ACTUAL TEACHING GOING ON!!!! My son took Math 1 in 7th grade. It was very high for him but he was younger than most who take the course. He still received an A on the EOC This question can not even be answered in this format The appropriate statement should have said The level of rigor/challenge of the MVP math is inappropriate due to issues outside of the teacher and students control. The curriculum is not too hard. Its the ay its being taught that is the problem. If my son cou d teach himself and meet with a student tutor once a week and make a B without any help from the school or teacher, it's not about the math - its the MVP teaching style that is the issue. There is no instruction by the teachers in MVP. The challege/rigor would be appropriate if there was more teaching going on by the teacher and not peer to peer support. A qual fied teacher explaining and going over the ork s a much more appropriate use of resources and time for a h gh school level math class than busy workbook work that some can't do if they don t understand the lesson. This type of “ nstruction” is NORE of a synthesis level usually seen with graduate leve students, not approp iate for high schoo (entry level) students of any new concept. Once the skills have been earned and demonstrated, then it might be appropr ate to expand the methods of nstruction. Math definite y needs direct instruction on the first iteration of subjects The main concern I have is that there is NO difference between the HONORS evel math and the ACADEMIC level with the MVP materials given. This is a HUGE problem. Most of the time for an honors class, the problems are not r gorous enough. For academic, there are not enough practice problems to reinforce skills. There are several concepts left out in order to master the concepts introduced. It's hard for me to answer the above question based on our past experience and just now jo ning WCPSS. However, I wi l say that if students have been us ng common core and MVP math for their schooling career in WCPSS they are in a orld of trouble for succeeding in the math world. Again, I teach at an area private school and use Saxon Math My own two k ds have had Saxon Math for and 9 years Their math foundation s so solid Thus, they can handle the MVP. But, the vagueness, the ambiguity, the lack of teaching a specific concept and formula, and the group work mentality of solving on own and figuring out why an answer is what it is, instead of approaching it from the front end of, "This is a formula, and this is how we use it to solve. . ." is rid culous. It is a huge aste of time for kids to sit around and try to solve a prob em in a group without giving them the foundat on, the background, the formula, and the tools to solve is a waste of va uable time Further, it doesn't sound like teachers have been thoroughly trained to teach MVP. As a former WCPSS employee, and current private school teacher, I can attest to the horrible trainings, the fast overviews in trainings, and then dumping new curriculum down for teachers to figure out, am dst little to no planning t me. The level of math seems appropriate. My son's struggle is how it is taught. He said it's like a bird be ng thrown from a nest. They are expected to do the math first with little to no instruction, only gett ng help/instruct on from a teacher after the fall It's not so much the type of math or level of math that is the struggle; it's the way it is taught Or, rather, not taught. The kids seem to feel like the burden of learning a new concept is entirely on them This is not how any other subject in school is taught. My son did very well in Math 2, find ng it as a review of Algebra 1 and Geometry. He did not come across any ne concepts and ended up tutoring and helping other students. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This is a misleading question... don’t think the sub ect matter is any harder then before this curriculum but the expectations that students can apply mathematics to real wor d examples without ground ng and assimilation of the base concept is unrealistic and can easily discourage a vast majority of students I have a child that skipped grades levels , was given the nick name of “smartest math kid”. He fought hard for an A in math 2 and is currently struggling for a B in math He also HATES math Sad because he loved it before this I don t feel th s is a fair question. I am not asking you to dumb-down the curriculum, I am asking that it is explained in a understand. The curriculum content doesn't need to change, the way it s taught does. ay that students can Only because it makes the kids figure out the math concepts on their own instead of receiv ng adequate nstruction. This is not appropriate for those students who are not gifted in math. It is only too rigorous because students are left to flounder on their own They are not taught the princ ples behind formulas to find solutions. The way the mater al s presented and taught is more cha lenging than it was before. 'm not sure the concepts and principles are different. Expecting students to work on solv ng a problem without being taught the methods is not successfully g ving them a solid foundation to build upon. Little to no guidance for the students proves the children are not learning the curriculum rather just getting through it Th s will never benefit them as they reach higher grade levels and col ege as they will not truly understand the concepts. My son has struggled this entire year so far and he was identified as AIG for Math in 3rd grade. He s frustrated and we are not sure f it is the teacher s capac ty to effectively plan and deliver the Math II content or some other unknown nstructional gap. Again, I'm not sure if its too high/low - my student frequently studies long hours - maybe due to inefficiencies or other. She certianly puts in the effort, with sometimes frustrating results. The challenge is that the kids aren't being taught the skills needed to comprehend the work!! None of those statements best describe MVP math. Th s would assume that there is learning involved and trying to measure the success of that learn ng That measure can not be applied to this program The challenge is trying to lea n math The only learning is done when taught by parents or worse by highly pa d tutors. In our case, it was both. The only rigor is trying to understand the curriculum. Poor materials. As stated above. A weekly tutor and hours of homework each night, mostly spent on trying to learn ho to do the prob ems, basically teaching herself math, is not what the goal should be. The problem sn t about rigor. It’s that t isn’t teaching math in a fundamental way. It makes simple problems hard. Has more to do with the ay the material is presented and learned. It is r gorous for what purpose? MVP is mak ng math that does not need to be difficult, overly difficult There isn’t rigor or challenge, it s mply is not understood I had to hire a tutor to teach math to my child for the entire math class I don t kno . This is not an appropriate question.. The curriculum cannot claim rigor or challenge without basic instruction. The curriculum is difficult for most children because it lacks explanation not because it is beyond a student's skil set. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: MVP math doesn't have any rigor or challenge. The goal is to make kids fail. The challenge to me seems too h gh because my daughter must seek outside help to completely grasp the topic. Plus, she has had instructors that agree that it must be at least supplemented with other materia s. Need more focus on math, not prob em solving. D fferent skill set, different method of teaching. By using story problems (which the students struggle to understand), they never fully understand the underlying math concepts and are driven away from math/science programs Sad Our son does struggle with this subject only, but tutoring does help. the actual Math curriculum is appropriate when it is explain to the Students...but handing them a worksheet and telling the figure it out s not Teaching...and then not working the problems to show them the issues is NOT TEACH NG...so they learn wrong in a group and have to figure out why on their own...NOT TEACHING These k ds and parents struggle to earn these concepts. That's the rigor. This particular doesn't make sense, by the way. It’s not the content level, it’s the instruction. Teachers were not prepared and students cannot be expected to learn on their own. It is not an appropriate curriculum. My co workers from Korea when they transfer to wake co schools think highy of our system except math classes are not as advanced I dont understand the MVP curriculum It's a mix. Do not feel that there is enough practice to master a topic. Most parents shared- and I agree- that students weren't really ready for the trans tion, when they moved from Math7+ to Math 1. Students in genera seem to struggle initially with the fast pace. My daughter's teacher offered tutoring after school twice per week, and it has helped tremendously. If by rigor and challenge you actual y mean having kids guess at how to so ve complex math, then yes this is too h gh. We can not expect students in high school to advance in math without a strong foundation. That foundation comes from basic teaching. Would you go to a surgeon ho had just worked in groups to figure out how to do heart surgery without being taught the proper way to reduce b ood loss, suture openings and the structure of the heart? This is an analogy for what MVP is asking if taught in the strictest manner I would say it seems a bit high as my daughter has typical y never had issues ith Math but she has had some challenges in the past 2 years. I’m not sure what it is. .or what it as previously, but my child is en oying math class and doing well. I do not feel like I know enough about the program to appropriately ans er this question. The curriculum employs a "shotgun" approach to teaching math topics. It's a scattering of many things with no way to build a real foundation of knowledge in any of them. Students cannot ga n any traction in ANY of the math topics before mov ng on to someth ng completely different. In addition, the students do well on straightforward quizzes and then fail the unit tests because the tests ask 9th and 10th graders to "apply" the knowledge they failed to learn in class Honors kids have an ability to move faster than academic kids, but they are not engineers yet. This is high school Not even all honors kids need eng neering skills in 10th grade It's ridiculous The level is too high in the way it is not taught. Fine to incorporate elements of the program as ADD-ON to the traditional method (see prior comments) but the structure and execution of the MVP program is way too high for the majority of students. Students seldom remember the concepts taught in the previous years. Math should be taught first by the teacher than asking the students to solve. It's not a management problem to be attacked by the team of experts but mathematics subject. Please do not use our kids as guinea pigs for your experimentat on. If you want to introduce any new system, you need to start from the first grade not at the high school level. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We have incredibly smart kids in our school, but this method is clearly not working as ndicated by the grow ng concerns of parents, students and failing grades. i think the problem with this curricu um is there is very little reinforcement of new concepts, little homework and opportunities to reinforce new strategies I’m not actually sure what they are learning is too low and potentially the p evious math process was so bad that the grades have jumped substantially year to year. level of rigor and chal enging should not be the question, how about asking if the new curriculum is too challenging for our students, especially the students who were already in middle and high school who for many years were taught with the o d curriculum, that was extremely unfair. The only challenge with this so called math is that the kids are hav ng to try and teach themse ves. How are you going to try and make a group of high school kids teach their peers? Half the time my kid is just doing it by himself because it is the only thing he can do. MVP is not math!! My kid is now struggling with Chem stry because he has been denied a solid math background from Wake Co. Board of Educat on. n/a The instruction is often unintelligible. This question alone highlights the problem with MVP math The problem with MVP is not in the what but the how I am sure their curriculum matches up the the standards the issue is how they go about transfer the knowledge to the students. The concepts and topics that are being taught should define the rigor not the manner in hich it s being taught. Look at definition of academic rigor. It is the fine line between challenging and frustrating. If the method of teaching is creating the frustration and driving students away from math you have your answer. Kids have been learning these concepts for centuries and didn't have to pay consulting groups to do a thorough review. Just apply a scientific method to evaluating this "curriculum". What variable did you change and what was the result. Certainly math did change so the rigor challenge of the material d dn't change. The schools and teachers would only have marginally changed, but you added MVP and no students are rebelling, parents are suing and no one is happy. Just the fact that you are ask ng this questions tells you how broken it is. Also look at the kids who hired outside tutor so that an instructor actually taught them and see how they did The rigor challenge based on the feedback I have gotten is the format of let the students figure it out With 14 16 year old high school kids you are bringing so many dynamics that it creates a challenging env ronment to learn in You are asking kids to run tied together before you teach them how to walk as ndividuals. Also course that is harder or more r gorous but not because they can't run but because of how you asking them to run the race. By the way the real problem here is that while you are asking them to run tied together other k ds are running by themselves and beating them as they compete for college entrance. The issue seems to be in ho it is implemented. My child does better taught by the professional, not working with her peers to come up with a solution (that might not be correct). This is based upon my interaction with my child and not on outside objective standards that I have observed or am aware of. The math itself isn't more challenging, it's the way it's explained to students The way students are set out to figure things out for themselves with little direction that references in any way their prev ous way of learning math. Students are stagnating. It's great for some students, but an abrupt change in the way these concepts are taught is leaving an entire population of students behind. It’s not hard but it needs to be explain and not just given to you n a book and you find it out yourself. I can not make a informative decision based lack of information. Too high for students learning a particular way for years and without parental resources for guidance. However, if my second grader begins learning this way now, she will probably not face the many challenges that the students are currently facing during the irresponsible transition. I see my child understanding the daily classwork/HW but then gets to the test only to feel there are questions asked that she cannot answer. It’s not too low or too high but an ineffective and inappropriate way to teach math as teachers are not trained properly or given enough support to teach this way. If they were, I would be an advocate for the program Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My sons teacher doesn’t speak English very well. Th s makes his class more difficult. I understand her need to go through the material fasterBut when students need work explained they should not be ignored! My son really struggles with math. I'm not sure how the program affects this. Again, think this is the wrong question. It should be about implementation vs. the curr culum. It's not the challenge, it's the complete lack of nstruction and turning an objective course like math into a w sh washy just guess and make you own pr vate ogic about how to do t course. The kids need instruction. This mvp math is NOT giving them tools to succeed. Like I mentioned previously, MVP makes broad assumptions that are untrue. The curricu um is flawed. Don't teach Applied Math before foundations are built. MVP is fine to teach as say a "Friday Enrichment activity". To maybe build on foundations taught Monday thru Thursday. It's not that the curriculum is too challenging or not challenging...rather it's not appropriate for what students need. Concepts are shuffled around and do not build on one another. It is helpful that she is taking this class n a year-long format so the there is time for additional pract ce. The level is fine,though higher than before. but teacher may not have enough training and time to deliver these content levels, espec ally considering MVP needs a lot discussuons among students If teacher doesn t provide a summary to the discussuons, students may not get benef ts from t Also, wcpss is a diversified district with students from all background. This leve may not be suitable to all students ith all background. Some teachers are better than others at teach ng this curriculum, or any curr culum for that matter. If more teachers really dug in and learned it prior to teaching it that would make most of the hub bub about this topic go away No idea Unsure The rigor/challenge is too high as the classes are taught in a semester format, questions are poorly orded, concepts are not strung together in order to build any knowledge base. Tests are not asking questions on concepts that were taught. The tests incorporate the “next level” of the math concepts taught They do not test mastery of the concept taught in class I feel the work my child is doing now is appropriate for where she is in school based on what I recall from when I was her age None of those are really adequate choices to evaluate this. The rigor s too high in the sense that the students don't receive enough instruction from the teacher (instead of from their fel ow students) in the subject matter. The rigor could be too low in that the students seem to have l ttle sense of what is going in the class at a l. Not necessarily the curriculum that's too high, but the teacher's haven't been properly trained to instruct it. The level of rigor is inappropriate. MVP as a concept is interesting, find a replacement that focuses on the relevant. I am sometimes surpr sed that concepts that were taught much later when I took math have appeared in middle school and early high school. However, it does not seem to be inappropr ate to the age/skill level of the students, just different These workbooks should only be used as a supplement as they do not go into depth for the topics. The students have many gaps left unfilled with this curriculum. Confusing , especially when you have teachers that are not well experienced with teaching style of math My daughter is in what I would call the highest math she is able to take in 7th grade and she is not challenged as much as I’d ike. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I believe the rigor is appropriate but the way it is taught is not. The teachers are not teaching the curriculum but letting students work together then ask questions. This method is frustrating for my child. We may have to hire a math tutor to teach the concepts to him since his teacher often just refers him to videos if he asks questions. Rigor shou d not be confused with instruction. MVP has nothing to do with rigor. Expecting students to teach themselves is not rigor. Rigor is not the problem Math is not being taught w th the MVP curriculum MVP is confusing because there is no real order and the workbooks are a mess, but math concepts are not being taught. That is the problem. Not sure I know the difference. This question is one for students and teachers, not parents. By the way, does NCDPI provide a math curriculum? The teaching style and lack of practice exercises makes MVP inappropriate for learning math. MVP is trash. Not enough explanation from teachers and kids are left to learn on their own. would challenge you to take a poll of how many student need to have a tutor. It is alarming that a large majority needs he p outside of the classroom. This should prompt leadership to evaluate whether the correct principles and teaching methods are actually effective. Do not like the MVP math curriculum Is this curr culum designed to allow for less teachers? Why else have the k ds teach themselves? What studies and methodologies were reviewed before adopt ng this curriculum? What investigation of the company and the experience and abi ities of the founders of the MVP company were conducted by WCPSS? I have no idea about the rigor of the curriculum only that it has failed to provide my son an adequate understanding of math concepts. I am paying a tutor twice a week ..my tutor is a former math teacher ith many degrees...she agrees the MVP is a farce I don t want this to be misconstrued. I ould welcome a more chal enging curriculum but the real challenge ith MVP math is to determine which typos in the book impact the answer. And re-teaching at home is the challenge since the teacher "facilitates" instead of showing how to work with a concept and my son will not let anyone in class know that he doesn't get it He won't ask his peer group for help and he has lost confidence in whether he understands it himself. So the CHALLENGE of the curriculum is having my husband google the concepts and teach my son at home s nce it is NOT being taught at school. And don't get me wrong, I think his math teachers in both middle and high school have been phenomenal teachers. It's not their fault they have to facilitate a discussion amongst teenagers rather than teaching what they went to school to do. While this unique system may seem nove and progressive, there are certain basics that simply cannot be avoided when it comes to math, put it quite simply, pick up your pencil and paper and do the math problem until you understand the steps. Not sure what the curriculum is s nce I wasn t even aware that there was a special curriculum If the parents had a better sense of how this worked and the teachers were adequately tra ned/prepared how to implement this curriculum, then perhaps it might have been a bit easie but that wasn't the case Again, my child went from Gifted/Honors math classes to FAILING and is currently retaking the same math class from last year My k ds don’t seem to be chal enged differently this year versus prior years. The curriculum doesn t make sure that kids understand basic and traditional math concepts. Exploratory learning can only work once students master basic concepts. Math is formula-based. It is truly the least appropriate school subject for exploratory learning. Very difficult to follow and understand the concepts of math with no proper instruction ftom the teachers. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The curriculum is not too high, however, it is too complicated and can be taught in simpler form. Horrible program A solid foundation is never built in math 1 so students are completely lost by the time they get to math 3. I think it's less about the "rigor" and more about the effectiveness. The MVP approach leads to frustration and confusion for the students, not enhanced lea ning The level of rigor is fine. The fact that the teachers are unable to teach math and the students have to teach themselves is a problem. My child comes home many times and says her teacher told her that "she couldn't tel me how to do it." I don't mind that for a short time, but when students are self taught, there is a good chance that they are missing a lot of the curriculum. The rigor or difficu ty of the program is not the problem. The problem is the teachers DONT TEACH the material they are later testing on. I've found this consistent in my own analysis of their tests versus the work in class. I personally am in finance and understand the material. Maybe if there was an overview parents could look at we could make s better determination for this survey. I hardly know anything about t. Teacher opt not to teach, even when asked for help. It is almost a free pass by the teacher to not be involved The concepts aren’t being adequately taught I think the question is wrong. Math is a challenging subject, so it should be how effect ve is MVP Math at teaching the curriculum. n my opinion, the MVP math curriculum is bizarre, dumbs down Math and makes it hard for students to even understand problems, let alone the concepts associated with them. As an example - the mathematical concept transformation is taught by using frogs! Quite how a student is meant to manage transposing all the many, many po nts associated with transposing a frog I don't know. What is wrong with learn ng how to transpose standard mathemat cal shape that students have been famil ar with since they were in preschool - like triangles or rectangles! It would have been good f we had looked at other math programs across the US that were achieving excellent results in Math, vs choosing this program. My child struggled with the concepts as the teacher didn’t teach but expected students to figure out the concepts. Ready set were very cha lenging without knowing what you were doing I was spending hours on end helping my child with thei math Both of my children struggle in the math classes here. My oldest required tutoring while here and opted to transfer out of Wake County. Since then she has maintained straight A’s in AP calc ab & bc. With no tutoring necessary. My youngest has a tutor weekly and is still struggling. I have never seen a situation where the use of tutors are so widespread. There is a spreadsheet on the schools website with the district teachers who tutor on the side. My oldest was even told by a teacher that that is where they make their real money ! That is ridiculous. The teachers aren’t going to say anyth ng negative to their bosses about t and they also don’t want to give up the extra money they make. At $50 an hour they are making a great deal of money. Money that we struggle to pay. It is too challenging because kids are left to figure everything out for themselves. Kids need to be taught examples by a teacher before working in groups Perhaps if high school students were familiar with this method of learning math from elementary school, they would do better. But they have been taught one way for many years and then suddenly they are expected to learn a whole different way of doing math. The foundation wasn't there for our high school students. This should have been phased in with an effective change management strategy in place. Don’t know if the leve is too high but when is not designed for students like my soon everything gets harder I think the evel is appropriate but wish more time was spent teaching instead of testing.Way too many quizzes/tests. The MVP curriculum is chal enging because it does not provide students with enough examples nor instruction in order to be successful The same materia presented via a traditional curriculum would not be as challenging. Students spend more of their time trying to figure out how to work the problems presented in the MVP curriculum when they should be spending their times work ng problems over and over for mastery Please add any additional comments on the above topic: There is no answer here since the MVP adds nothing but stress and misery to the students It’s not the rigor. It’s the methodology. The survey doesn’t ask the right questions. I can’t real y answer this question because how do u determine if the level of rigor is too high or low when the students aren’t even being taught the materia ! Of course, I guess u could say that the leve of rigor is too high because how r u suppose to excel in something if no one actually teaches u ho to do it? In my opinion the rigor wou d be acceptable if there was more actual teaching in the classroom rather than "figure it out on your o n". Expecting students to figure it out for themselves has no place inside a classroom. Instruction is necessary! The classroom is disorganized, inefficient and this makes it harder on the students. My son ould probably need to take Math 1 for two semesters to cover the material at a reasonable pace for him to retain and apply it ith this model. It makes no sense. Teachers don’t know how to teach it and went through mu tiple tutors who all said the method of MVP being taught by Nancy Lassiter at Green Hope was incorrect and made no sense The challenge is deciphering all the mistakes in the problems. Additional chal engenis what is contests do not map to what is being "taught" My daughter has always had to work hard in math, but made good grades We've had to hire a tuto for her this year as she hasn't had a passing grade yet! MVP math is not teaching, leaving the kids to ‘figure out’ how to do math as a group is not appropriate at young ages. We need qualified teachers to actually teach the subject! Which I suppose is a stretch for wake county, my daughter takes two ap math/science classes and I pay 100$ a week for tutors as the teachers do not know how to teach. But mvp math seems to be in a league of its own in that category. To clarify, the MVP Math curriculum is not something I would cons der a "rigorous" program - t's more of a frustrating program where the lack of instruct on is a total d sservice to our childrens education The MVP program doesn’t provide enough rigor as it focuses too much on theory without suff cient practice of learned skills. This question is misleading the math itself should be challenging, but there should be app opriate instruction by a teacher to equip students to overcome the challenge. The lack of teaching is complete y inappropriate. The level of rigor is irrelevant! It doesn’t make any sense and should be banned! Rigor is irrelevant. If you define r gor by my kid now hating math and having anxiety due so ely to the mvp math experience, then it's too high. If you define r gor by ensuring my kid has a solid foundation and then asking my kid to take it to a higher level, it's way too low. This one is hard to answer, because my child is not doing wel on tests and quizzes, but the actual covered appears to be of an appropriate level even if it is not adequately explained or taught in class or homework. My child has earned A’s in Math I, II, III using MVP. mislead ng question level of challenge is directly related to level of instruction anything taught poorly is going to be too rigorous for most students My daughter was previously a very good math student who put more time into mvp math than any other subject yet got poor results. For above-average students it is fine. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The level is appropriate but the way the instruction occurs is not sufficient. It's not so much that the challenge is too high - it's that the challenge is not matched to the stage of development of the students ho are bu lding sk lls. It’s not that the subject matter is too difficult. The problem is the method of teaching. What happened to having a teacher physically TEACH the lesson, then review the lesson in class to make sure the students understand it before sending them off with homework to practice and solidify the concepts? Expecting the students to teach each other in small groups is not effective. Instruction is geared to the lowest level learner ànd higher levels are expected to lead their learn ng. I don t like this question. The r gor needs to be at a certain level in order to teach the kids what they need to learn. The kids are fai ing not because of the rigor of the curriculum, but because of how the curriculum is structured. Foundations are not being adequate y taught. It is indeed a challenge! Expecting students to learn math on their own, instead of be ng taught, is ridiculous. It isn’t a matter of rigor or challenge. Rather students need teachers who are teaching the content and then prov ding students time for practice, both independentl and collaboratively with peers When students are struggling with mathematical concepts, teachers should be equipped to reteach the sk lls. no one knows what there doing the teachers don’t teach the parents can’t help because of your stupid system & your website has no help. It is not that it is too h gh. The kids are not being taught. I believe the challenge comes into play because the students are not given the bas cs needed to perform high-level math. How can you “discover” a math formula? Teach these higher math concepts and then perhaps have a d scovery higher level math after calculus and statistics. STUDENTS NEED THE BASICS FIRST!!! Again, students need to be taught math. t’s goung to be too difficult if they have to teach themselves Developmentally my 14 year old male child does not do well with a flipped classroom learning style I am curious as to what the data shows this method is best suited toward. It is hard to imagine that foundational math should be taught in this way. The only reason the level of rigor is too high is it is too complex. Rigorous math is good, but not when MVP just causes confusion in the way it’s laid out. None of these apply. MVP does not teach math. It’s not the rigor/challenge, it’s the fact that teachers have no time to add there own way of explaining. They are not even given enough time to address students questions. I believe the rigor is high. I fully believe that students need to be challenged. However, it is frustrating, to have to hire a tutor to support my child. ($55.00 hour) Most children should be doing well with the content after instruction. Unfortunately, I am not alone... many families are seeking tutoring. My child does not do we l trying to solve problems in small groups with lim ted background knowledge In addition, many high school students are more interested in socializing than solving math problems and thus do not do too much in these small groups. It’s neither. Because you don’t know how to do it. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We had to hire a private tutor at great expense to work with our son. He worked with him 2x a eek for 90 minutes each v sit. minimum for the entire year. He was already studying math around 10 plus hours each week n addition. He also ent to teacher off ce hours each week. Before the new method he was a solid honors high B student. Now he receives Cs and Ds in math. I had hoped for him to pursue a STEM career, and he was on that path. Really enjoyed computers and technology. Now he is not interested in any STEM courses, his math grades will ikely keep him from getting into the college he would l ke to go to He has one more math class to take and dread the stress it’s puts on him to invest so much time and energy for discouraging results. I also dread the financ al burden on our family to have to invest in tutoring again. Many children get confused and are scared to ask for help sometimes and they should make the curriculum so that it can expla n more for the students Teaching varies widely, so some students benefit from better teacher and others are at a d sadvantage. Need to improve consistency in teaching methods and resources provided to students by teachers this depends - two of my children took this online without an instructor in the room - they had no teacher in the room that could help them (just an adult monitor) - the rigor was too hard to not have anyone in the room that could help - they were waiting 24+ hours for help answering quest ons (my kids have the r Dad help and it is OK - for the k ds without easy access to a parent to help I am sure it would be too much) Hard to tell, actually I’d say the cha lenge is ha der because teachers aren t teaching If teachers taught math as it has been taught forever, then it would be easier to determine the level of rigor in the class. Difficult to answer this question, I feel the subject matter of the curriculum is not too high but the way it is being "taught" makes it much harder and more frustrating than it needs to be There is a difference between rigor challenge and frustration. Promoting rigor in the classroom requires exper ences that are academically, intellectua ly, and personally challenging. Rigor must include providing a variety of ways that the student can comprehend information. Sometimes, but not a l the time, it seems as if the program is looking for ONE specific way to problem solve Due to time constraints, I don t think that teachers have time to show students al to ways to solve a math problem. I also analyzed some of the questions that my ch ld has to answer There are times when the formate (wording) of the test/assessment doesn't match the review that the students learned in class The MVP program and Wake County is assuming that all students have good inferencing sk lls. In reality, most students have some trouble in this area I don t necessarily think the rigor/challenge is too high. I just do not think it teaches math skills. I know nothing about t. Same as above, it seems the students are not necessar ly taught, as opposed to teaching themselves. The level is appropriare, but it is makinng things difficult becuase kids are not taught concepts. Instead they are asked to learn from peer students and they are lost. More work is required on behalf of the student and those kids not really interested in math or motivated to work on their own will struggle. There should be another option available outside of the honors path If you are not being taught how to do math properly, then clearly the level of math s above their heads and as a result too hard. If the content was taught through direct nstruction the rigor would not have been too high the rigor is too high depending on the grade of the student. 9th graders are struggling with it and thus developing a dislike for math which may carry with them throughout high school and college. This is a difficult question to answer given that my main concerns are pacing and gaps in knowledge that (at least) my student s having to overcome. I believe that gaps in prior knowledge, combined with the high degree of rigor, is presenting quite a challenge for my daughter at the moment My student is learning, but not overly stressed about understanding the material. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I do not think that the materia is too rigorous. Math s math. do not believe that the instructional practices are effective. My honors high school student comes home and ta ks about how many of her classmates are confused or flat out not understanding the materials. She has said the same thing through her Math1 and now Math 2 classes. Poorly worded question. My son wasn’t aware of the resource, and hadn’t been taught to access them regularly I had to force him to dig through the syllabus, to view the teachers resources, and have him use to reteach him any lacking skills, but only bc I knew we all had google sites as a teacher. It’s not fair to expect other parents to know that unless the kids have all been taught and shown and parents are sent the link in all these messages and updates we get. I am not sure if it is being implemented correctly but I have students that used to perform well in math and are now struggling, they don’t ike the subject and it seems to be a “do it yourself” approach where there is little direct instruction and my students are showing little mastery of the skills according to their performance on the tests and quizzes that are admin stered. It's a different approach from what I see I do not believe that MVP is challenging to students n the right ways There is a certa n amount of struggle that helps students, but this level of struggle is too much Some problems that are given for homework do not have worked examples or are being taught out of order My child struggles for a long time every night and at the end of finishing the work, he is discouraged and confused. MVP math s failing even the top students. Too high in the sense that there is little structure and guidance. Teacher is unavailable to offer help. This question is poorly written. The evel of rigor/challenge is not properly supported. Let the teachers TEACH do not restrict them with MVP, I do appreciate the rigor of the program as we l as the application component. My daughters have both accessed Kahn Academy for support. The collaborative tasks have challenged his thinking and have allo ed him to chunk more flexibility about math. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. In my sons 10 precious years of schooling I never had to pay for a tutor until now. I feel the level of rigor is inappropriate as students need a basis to start from All students need to be challenged, but the challenge should not be causing se f-esteem to be dropping, GPAs to be falling tremendously, parents having to spend around $1000.00 or more on a semester on a tutor just to keep their child believing in themselves and not causing families to be torn apart nightly. These are the stories have lived and heard over and over since my child started Math 2 in 9th grade. MVP math puts the cart before the horse. I’m all for problem so ving, building analytical skills but without knowing the basics, it’s use ess. Level of challenge is ok, but the way the mater al as provided was not ideal. Productive struggle can be a good thing! The method of teaching is not optimal compared to other sources. The material is f ne fo the kids if the teachers are able to supplement what is printed other wise it is left to the student and parent to teach how to so ve the problems. The only reason I say 'too high' is because the teachers are not equipped with both process and materials. Not enough of the math is taught. Therefore my son doesn’t understand it and h s grades have dropped significantly. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I think if the math was taught properly with examples and the assistance from the teacher, t wouldn’t be so hard of a challenge. Currently, it’s too difficult and there is little to no help. It’s not that the work is too hard, but the course design doesn’t prepare students to do the work. I am not sure if stating the rigor is too high is actually the best statement. When content that is rigorous is actually taught through instruction and teacher support, the rigor can easily be appropriate What I am most disappointed in is the style of delivery of this “ igorous” content The pace is too fast and the child is expected to learn on their o n after very little introduction to concept from teacher. Then the teacher often does not have the time to explain or give extra help because too many students need help or are not even sure what questions to ask. For students ho have been a or b students, they are struggling with this method or lack of teaching this new curriculum Read the above comments. The rigor/challenge being too high isn't the curriculum itself. If this were just another, more challenging, layer to what they'd already been taught, then I'm sure their success rate would be higher. Instead, they are being taught an entirely different way to think about and do math after having been given a foundation for, and practicing, a different curriculum over many years. There is no rigor if students are continual y seeking tutors for help for "basic" not challenging concepts. Can't fairly judge this The challenge is in how it's be ng taught, not what is being taught That is a problem! This is hard to guage. I have emailed the teacher, but only three grades for the year have been entered. My daughter does not think her first year teacher is a good teacher. I emailed the teacher to see how she thinks my daugther is doing and she replied that my daughter is grasping at a similar level to the other students. I emailed her back and said does that mean all of the students are grasping the content or NOT grasping the content. I've received no reply. I do not know I am assuming the rigor of the curriculum is correct because you all have degrees in education. Why are you asking me? You are the education folks. Are you going to pay me for my answer like the consultant? However some parts make little sense and appea to have lots of misspelling and typos None of the above. The curriculum is not teach ng my child the fundamental math skil s necessary to be successful in higher evel math courses. Again, overly complex for no reason Text book informat on does not correlate with tests and quizzes which makes it difficult to prepare for or receive a good grade Not well presented, not well explained, poor example of instructional material. I am sure many many good students who were very capable of learn ng math successfully FAILED under this program. It was a POOR choice by our school board and superintendent. Based on the in class exposure my student is reviewing middle school concepts The only reason it is too challenging is because there IS no explicit instruction and my child is forced to teach himself the material with no background knowledge. This is too rigorous of a task for even an advanced math student. Th “challenge” is that it does not clearly explain problems or new topics clearly. The kids re trying to figure it out themselves/groups through a work book They really need a TEACHER explaining it. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The curriculum is not appropriate if students have to teach themselves. Choices provided are vague. My child has not been impacted. He goes with what is taught. Challenge is welcome. Challenge without proper instruction is pointless. There Isn't enough instruction of foundational skills to prepare students for the rigorous tasks involved in the curriculum. I have no idea how tojudge this. was unaware of MVP. My child is in advanced math (Math 3 as a freshman) The MVP curricultm was appropriate, but it lacked the support from the teachers and students were allowed to struggle too much. 0n the first day of class my daughter was told by her teacher, Mr Redelfs, that he really had no idea how to inplement the curriculun and was in the process of being trained. The facuty's lack of enthusiasm and support showed the entire semester, and this damaged many children's perception of their math skills. My daughter has never struggled so much in mathematics. She constantly corrplains that nothing is explained du'ing class. The discussion around MVP has very little to do with the level of rigor/challenge. If you were never instructed on what a logarithm is and told to solve one, that would be challenging and rigorous, but for what reason? We need to let our teachers teach and let our children learn with ACTIVE instruction. MVP is not about rigor. My student seems to feel it's more difficdt My answer to the above question is directly dependent on how the teacher handles the cu'riculum. My daughter has scored 58 on the math eog since 5th grade. With this method she is struggling to keep an 80%. She failed every test first quarter as well as the weekly assignment that requ?res knowledge of what was taught and how to apply it. My daughter is struggling with this eipectation. Challenge being that the material in the book is not well eiplained. Supplementing with videos and Khan is not acceptable. Nor should I feel the need to buy additional books to have on hand when my kids need further explanation. I have a full timejob; yet when i get home from work I spend 1 - 2 hours teaching my kids math. Teachers are telling kids that they are no longer teachers; they are telling them they are facilitators. They give kids problems to work on in grows when class starts without instruction; tell them to work together and then sometimes watch another teacher in a video explain how to work the problems. The teachers dont help the kids. Any one can be a facilitator if thats how math is going to be 'taught" in schools. It takes a TEACHER to teach math. Also, math is learned by repetition. The kids get 3 - 5 word problems that are confusing and dont reinforce the lesson. The whole program is rediculous It is not that the MVP math curriculum is challenging, it is that it does not teach what we are supposed to be learning. My daughter was a straight A student in Math through 7th grade. When she took the Math program in 8th grade- she did well and maintained an But Math 2 Honors destroyed her? in 9th grade last year. She barely passed the class with a D. We had a tutor that she met with each week and as well, I had parent/teacher conferences as well as discussions with her guidance counselor. This made my daughter hate math and totally destroyed her confidence that she could succeed. While it is neither too low nor too high, it is some of both therefore not definitively one or the other Sometimes it's more difficult while other times too easy. Difficult would be solving for imaginary roots and eranple of easy would be factoring. My student is currently enrolled Math 3 honors. My problem with the curriculum is not with the rigor but with the content and the way it is taught. It is Ill written, confusing and frustrating My daughter is failing this class Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not sure I would refer to this type of chal enge as rigor. MVP basically leaves students to try and figure out math on their own. Not exactly the type of challenge that our students need. The program has left my child miserably behind n math instruction and makes the courses beyond Math I even more difficult. I would argue that ack of instruction and kids just doing the page independently is NOT rigor. .it is educational malpractice. So I marked what I did as it is a challenge for my daughter to be expected to complete mathemat cal work without sufficient nstruction When parents cannot understand the curriculum, that's a big issue. It is appropriately challenging and preparing my student. The rigor is fine, but my daughters math grade plummeted with the switch to MVP bc She felt like she was no long being taught, she hates it. Only n that the expectation for learning new concepts is placed largely on the students. I wou d think that the content has not changed, it’s the presentation of it that presents a significant challenge. Students get less of an explanation/instructions from their teacher. I don t think it is the rigor that’s the problem. The nformation is not presented in a way the students can understand My child transferred into the WCPSS from another school that taught math based on specific subjects Since she had completed 1 year of Algebra at her other school she was placed in Math 2. All of the math class that focuses on Algebra is a repeat for her. Some of the methods of teaching the same materia is frustrating for her because she was previously taught classical methods of solving problems. Often times the class uses very different methods to solve the same problems. Geometry or other math subjects that have been introduced in Math 2 are all new concepts. I think if my child would have started out with Math 1 in the WCPSS it would not have made a lot of difference. Transferring in after 1 year at another school makes the transition less smooth because my child like y missed portions of Geometry in Math 1 and she is repeating a lot of Algebra in Math 2. I don t kno if it s so much that the rigor is too high as opposed to how the curriculum is taught/implemented It is not a great way to learn. Students are expected to learn something they have never seen by themselves. It shou d not be used. It's not "rigor and cha lenge" it's no guidance It is inappropriate for their developmental age My child’s group ends up text ng each about anything but math because they don’t understand an know what to do and the teacher isn’t there to each but only to facilitate. This curriculum is creating a generation of students who are not proficient in math, and as a result, less competitive and attractive in the college app ication process. I have no idea what the MVP math curriculum is. My ch ld seems not to be provided with any resources to help her outside of the classroom. She only receives scanned copies of answer sheets, which she uses to randomly guess at ho to do the assigned work. The level is fine if the teacher s exp aining it to the students. Otherwise, it is too high. Time spent trying to figure out the curriculum would be better spent with direct instruction. The only reason my son passed Math is because we had to pay an outside tutor and also see the teacher after school for extra help I dint th nk it’s a matter of cha lenge as much as a matter of providing a better balance between instruction and problem solving/discovery and collaboration. Those who don’t understand are left to feel less intelligent. All students don’t process information the same way. Some require a little direction or guidance. Most if not all of the students n my daughter’s math 2 honors class were struggling. Most had to pay for outside tutors and still had difficulty. Nothing, absolutely nothing was addressed for the first group of students, 1st semester 2018. The frustration for students and parents was terrible. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: When the teacher is telling the students to pay for extra help out of the school there is a major prob em. How t is taught is just awful. That is why t is too high. The level of rigor is neither too high nor too low. The emphasis on real-world application should come after the students have learned how to solve the 'mathematics' of the problems. It's just a completely weird way to teach math Again, question misses the mark. It s not a question of rigor', but of instruction and methodology. It lacks n challenging the k ds' full potential It doesnt cater chi dren's various styles of learning. I don t have a response because t was never explained to me. I don t kno . It’s not rigor- it’s poor instruction from mvp. For some learners. The rigor would be fine if someone would actually teach the subject matter. But when left on your o n to figure it out with other kids who have no idea what they’re doing, it’s a losing battle reached out epeatedly to the teache and the administrators and got no guidance o help, other than to be pointed to Khan academy and in the peer student tutoring club during luncht me at school. Very discouraging. It's not about rigor but how teaching has been subsituited by self-learning with poorly written materials and compounding it, with less teaching I compared the MVP material with Big Ideas and come to the conclusion. I have also helped our son with Math 1 using Big Ideas ( which was school textbook). So my conclusion is based on my personal experience as an tutor. The challenge of trying to teach yourself higher math in middle school is ridiculously high, and only the privileged can afford the tutoring necessary. Even then, our teacher could not send us the scheduled curriculum so we cou dn't even Google what to try to learn at home. Having a student figure out how to work problems on their own and watch ng videos is ridiculous. What happened to allowing teachers to teach in class and help students along the way? What are teachers being paid to do???? You can not expect kids to learn from a packet, practice something a handful of times and not know if you are completing the problems correctly. This question is extremely misleading. Yes it is a CHALLENGE, because of the lack of content provided to complete the packets. It is a challenge because my 2, 9th grade students come home and spend hours on the videos and weekends with a tutor to get taught. THEIR TEACHER IS AMAZING, we are lucky. She s open for tutoring before school, after school and during lunch My kids spend EVERY lunch with her and many days after school. That is NOT normal. My kids had high b's in 8th grade math Is it rigorous? I guess you would say yes because the definit on of rigor in education is to think deeply and not based on rote memorization. The problem is that it is ike trying to teach someone a different language without that languages dictionary. Honestly, neither answer MVP over complicates concepts, overlooks more challenging concepts and is not appropriate for high school math courses I don t question the rigor of th s curriculum, but the manner in which it is taught is a m sstep in my opinion. My biggest complaint about this program is the way it was rolled out You cannot expect students who have been learn ng math a certain way to suddenly switch to a completely different model without laying the groundwork first If WCPSS would like the students to engage in a discovery model that should have been introduced long before the students are thrown into the program. Hoping that the students will take to this method seems like an awfully big gamble to take with students anxious about applying to college and high stakes testing. Why not roll this out with kdg first, then let it grow from there? I am not even arguing about whether or not this model is more effective, it very well could be. However, expecting teenagers to suddenly engage in organic math talk when they have never been taught to do this before seems like a terrible mistake. In order for a program like this to be successful there should have been ay more groundwork done to prepa e the teachers and students Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The rigor isn’t necessarily too high, rather there is too much rigor in understanding the basics in the way it is (or isn’t) presented. And not enough rigor in the real world application of mathematics. It’s become very confusing to understand the basics, as they are clouded in the curriculum design. It would have not been too high given examples. The lack of study resources made the program overly difficult. WCPSS should abandon this program if they want to teach students math. Not sure what it is Complicated, and oftentimes unnecessary processes and methods. I have seen much confusion both from teachers struggling with pedagogy) and students (not grasping concepts based on new challenges not connecting with previous foundations (and isn’t that the intent). She basically has to teach herself, she has to learn it on her o n. So we as a family are trying to help her learn this Her older brother is her personal tutor. I feel like she s homeschooled for math but she used to have a teacher in middle school. It is none of the above. Because it's group learning and not taught in a traditional style the issue is no leadership or enough d rection from the adult in the room. The curriculum is confus ng and while I see value in working through problems with a group, having the teacher be hands off while they struggle doesn't make sense The students write the answers that the student (s) in the g oup that seem to know into the workbook so they can complete the assignment but they don't know hy they get the answer. Then when it comes time to prepare for quizzes and tests we have to rely on outside mater al just to be able to not get a fail ng grade. Its ncredib y stressful and my daughter feels unsupported by the teacher. It is a junk. Make it really complex to explain a simple skill The MVP curriculum is not particularly challenging. However the discovery approach results in many teens struggling to master the material I know many fami ies who are paying for regular pr vate tutoring to present the material in a traditional ay so their children can master the topics. My children have done far better than the r peers, but they had an advantage since they had a ready gotten a strong, traditional A gebra I n middle school pr or to starting MVP. We have not needed to provide private tutoring, but I have provided additional study materials for their off semesters (when they don't have math) which has helped immensely The challenge is largely one that shouldn't exist. This notion of "discovering" math is idiotic. The folks who brought it to our county need to "discover" how children best learn math. Single child, no basis for comparison, but even though she is an A student, she has trouble understanding much of the math work and usually spends over an hour per night on math homework each night for 8th grade Math 1 Don’t know I was never informed on any of it. Child doesn’t know what MVP curriculum is. Teachers are expected to have the students teach each other the course. What is the purpose of having and paying a teacher for the students to perform their job as an educator? They try to move so quickly that students don't spend enough time on each unit to fully understand the material Its not the rigor ts the method that is the issue. Might not be so hard if teachers ere properly prepared on how to teach it no dramatic change, my son is already in accelerated math It’s not too high! It just doesn’t make sense I don t kno much about it Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child is very strong in math (thankfully). She seems to be teaching herself the lessons. The teacher is obsolete When my kids get home, that time does not belong to the school. Better planning must be done to ensure topics can be covered during classroom time. The skills themselves are no more advanced— rather the increased rigor comes from increased mechanical work, endless searching for resources, and intense stress/anxiety Students benefit more from teacher instruction. Lack of understanding leads to bad grades There is no curriculum, just “ here figure this out” I personally think the rigor is fine That said my student is an honors student and is gifted in math so I naturally look for more rigor in his courses, especia ly math. The rigor was at an appropriate but was not taught we l. Lack of teacher involvement in actually teaching subject matter The main reason that the challenge is too great is because the material must be self taught with no reference material. It feels l ke MVP was chosen because it is cheap for the school district and because it is supposed to require babysitters instead of teachers, not because it is good The way that the curr culum introduces topics is not appropriate because t is not structured well enough and it doesn’t g ve you as much information as past curriculums. I think it is fine. there has to be a standard. The curriculum makes assumptions about the type of work a student must show that are sometimes contrary to traditionally-accepted methods. Even if the answer is correct and work is shown to substantiate this, students are often marked incorrect. The issue isn’t what is being taught...it’s about what you’d see in Math 1-3. But it is how and the MVP workbook style and approach. That is terrible It’s not a challenge - more like an impossible task to “teach yourse f” something that you ve never learned. This question is misleading Challenges are perfectly fine if you are taught the basics first and then go figure out how to apply what you have LEARNED. Again, they are not being TAUGHT! Its not too low or too high. It is just not the best way for students to learn and RETAIN math needed for SAT, ACT and college level math classes MVP has been extremely vague and confusing. The way it was taught before was much better, p ease change something. Wouldn't know. No clue what they are doing We gave up. Based on my student's homework and grade it seems to be appropriate. My student is cha lenged, but is able to achieve an A in the class. It is not an 'easy A' W th teacher supplementation Having no nformation on the cur iculum other than what my ch ld tells me it is hard to answer this question Please add any additional comments on the above topic: It's not that it is too rigorous--it's that it's insane. To use the word rigor is inaccurate and unfair. The rigor of the program is not the issue. It is the structure and implementation of this program. Students are not given an opportunity to display what they know about math, because the curriculum is not designed in a way for effective learning to occur. The challenge is in the difficulty of trying to grasp concepts when the informat on needed to understand the math is not be ng presented in a consistent and effective manner Depends. At times the kids were lost. At times they were told to teach each other. That was my oldest (graduated 2019). Now my 9th grader is in Math 3 and honestly I'm terrified that it is not giving all she needs. She works hard and her grades are great but I saw my other ch ld come out of 3 into precalc and struggle. Could have just been the teacher. The assessments DO NOT match the homework and lessons. There are many errors in the workbooks. If they weren’t the sole vehicle for instruction, this wouldn’t be such a big deal, but they are. Not familiar with MVP Again as stated above, kids left in the dark and frustrated to the point that they now hate math. F this is a curriculum Wake Co unwisely chooses to stick with, then it needs to properly TRAIN ALL its math teache s on how to demonstrate the concepts and implement the curriculum If the teacher can't explain a concept then how in the world can they expect their students to grasp it? !! The challenge is in the students blindly trying to solve problems w thout having mastered the concepts needed. No exposure to MVP. My student wi l take Math 2 in Spring semester If the curriculum isn’t taught then the rigor is too high. If it was taught it would be fine but without proper teaching everything is too hard. Lack of quality instruction makes the material seem impossible to learn I don t kno if the rigor is too high, it just doesn’t make any sense and parents don’t know it so there isn’t a good way to help the k ds at home. We hired a tutor (thousands of dollars) when we realized our child was struggling, but before we real zed what MVP math was, so the tutor kept teaching traditional math which put our child fu ther behind and wasted ALOT of money Assessments are not aligned with material taught in the classroom and practiced as homework. There is not enough variety of practice problems at the same diff culty level as assessment problems. There are nsufficient resources available for students to study and practice independently. Seems l ke the stuff they want the kids to know is about the same. They just don't teach it to them very well with MVP. I rated it as too high b/c my daughter doesn't fee like she gets the support / background materials needed to do the work . I actually love this curriculum. I see hat my daughter does in her orkbook, and it is very impressive. Interest ngly, though, her math EOC score was significant y lower ast year than in previous years. Makes me wonder if MVP curriculum not well-al gned to EOC. The rigor falls on the back of the smartest k ds in the room and allows the weak inks to shrink and be left behind Due to lack of communication from the system, I really can’t answer this question I answered it is too high because if they aren't taught the concepts then the students can't perform what is asked of them in their groups. Do not like or agree with the method of teaching I can’t answer this because I think the program is a farce. A challenge means it can be done w th the right knowledge and training and this is eft out of the program. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: See comment above. ou should not be expected to work on math problems, deas, and concepts prior to the teach directly teach ng these concepts to the c ass and practice. It’s not a challenge if a student is completely lost and has no guidance in correcting mistakes and figuring it out. I get the impression from my kids that they are not being taught in an understandable way. They've always been great at math but are now struggling. I feel my son is adequately challenged Expecting students to teach themselves is not schooling but self study and I didn't think that what WCPSS was. Nothing wrong with challenging students if you teach them first but that is not MVP. MVP s print a booklet and tell them to have it. It's not rigorous, it's confusing. Not about rigor! That's where the flaw is... I’m fine ith the challenge level of the curriculum my concern is how the subject is taught (or lack of). Every teacher my child has with this curriculum seems to tell or infer that part of the curr culum is for the teacher not to teach how to solve the problem but rather for the student to figure out how to so ve on their own or with little instruction. I’m not an educator nor an education professional. I believe in challeng ng students; however I honestly worry about what will happen when my child takes the ACT/SAT or in college will she know how to solve math problem/subjects or wi l she be completely lost due to the lack of instruction and “teaching herself” whi e in the MVP curriculum. I asked my student to show me the MVP math curriculum. The booklets were on y 25% complete. Why pay for book ets and use only 25%? WASTEFUL. The kids don’t understand how the teachers are teaching it. My kid has said in both situations Math 1 and Math 2, the teachers don’t teach the curriculum. The have to use tools to figure things out on their own The children can’t teach them se ves. They need guidance! They are only allowed to ask questions but they can’t because the don’t know what to ask. My daughter struggles with it even though Math s generally her best subject It’s a lot of self teaching I'm not even sure how to answer this. My child spends the week trying to stay afloat waiting for the day he meets with his tutor to learn what he was supposed to be taught during the week. It's unacceptable! Provide books for students to take home It has noth ng to do w th rigor, it has to do w th ho the materia is taught and how t applies to life. Many classes are flipped asking students to learn the information prior to instructional time and then teachers address questions or misperceptions, students are not learning basic operat ons and functions or being provided with notes to assist with learning the mater al. My child has advanced math skil s. This is a misleading question There should be a not applicable unless you consider students teaching themselves as part of the curriculum in that case, it is too high. I'm not sure the rigor is necessarily too high but the methods of instruct on have not enabled my students to succeed with the r gor. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son feels the way t's taught is too confusing. It's not about level of vigor. I can't answer this question It's about learning a very inportant skill to help them solve real math problems in the futue. Rigor is an educational feel-good buzzword. This not an appropriate use of the word. Is the math challenging? They're not being taught math. They re being taught critical thinking (we'll leave the fact that math is not an appropr ate form to teach critica thinking for another day). and it's failing rriserably I think the math process is too challenging for all kids. Kids learn in different ways but need to be taught the fundamental concepts of math before they are exposed to a concept of self?taught or grow?led learning. Additionally I don't think the materials being used provide enough erarmles and steps to allow the kids to adequately gain knowledge on a topic before being tested or moving to another topic. It is frustrating that teachers under this program do not teach it to the students It is introduced, and then the kids have to learn it on their own. Only when the students are not doing well do the teachers help them, many tim after the test is over and a poor grade was given. I real don't know. My 7th grader is taking Math 1. Math is easy for her. The math concepts are not being taught. which is causing my child to struggle Some of the challenges aren't as much with the curriculum but the method it taught I chose 'too high', but I'm msure. My son sometimes has more than hou's of just rnath homework each night because it takes him 3+ ninutes to complete each problem, and when the homework is 70 questions, that is simply too long for him (he is in 10th grade). He likes his teacher and feels he erplains th well, however, he stressed and crying some nights withjust the amount of work he has to do. The rigor is inappropriate. Rigor should be based on learning and instruction. The materials are often incorrect and ask ng students to work off of incorrect material is not rigorous 'rt's frustrating. It's a disadvantage to all students. My student is not being challenged by the work. There isn't enough reinforcement of problems. My student is frustrated by the lack of instruction and blatant incorrect rmterials used. So many typos! Even 9th grade tests administered had graphs, which required plotting yet was so small to barely see where to plot. At least in Math 3 honors, this teacher is teaching per my student With a private tuto is pulling a My child has adjusted well to the MVP cu'ricdun, but her teachers made it accessible to her and the class. think there are positive things about the curicdun, but teachers need to have the flexibility to help individual students as needed. Rigor is fine. as I mentioned the cmiculun is compler, but doable -I fee awful for these kids who's math grades have dropped pena izes their GPA, which is not fair in cormarison to kids outside of Due to a failure to corrmunicate the daily lesson plans the students feel corrpletely over helmed by the materials and are unable to bu Id any confidence in their ability to repeat the process and master the material. Really it is more about the teachers actually teaching with eramples and then the kids getting enough homework to actually master the topic. Have no idea if it was too high or too low It was T00 CONFUSING because nothing was taught It moves from subject to subject too quickly, before children can grasp t, and they never get a chance at mastery. This method of teaching seems to not be working. For most and my child has never needed a tutor and I know spend hmdreds of do lars on tutoring each month I have had to hire tutors to help my children mderstand math since they were switched to MVP. Let me be clear, my children are AIG students, Duke TIP students, and test in the top I should not have to pay money for my children to be tutored, because they are not understanding math when the entire class is not mderstanding. This 3 major failue. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: None of those are applicable. The car culum on the first quarter for 8th grade math I assumes the student had math 8 My child went straight from math 7+ to math I so the ski Is and concepts she needs are being very quickly shoved into the first quarter of math I. I camot even assess the rigor because we are trying to learn a new way of teaching and learning. Durbed down. I.e most solutions are integers, not mbed fractions or decimals. 'Real Life' Problems are idiotic. I honestly don't know if it was too high or not It was definitely not something that students understood which means math was not taught Students were confused - what they were supposedly taught in class did not line In with home ork. I can?t say what the rigor is for the MVP. I do know that forcing children to use computers for testing math isn't ideal or preferred. When a honors level kid who's doing homework every night and getting tutoring once a week stil can't get higher than a C, something is really wrong. The teachers need to do far more rect instruction and not leave this to the group ?figure out". These are not college kids, these are ninth graders If the state of North Carolina on't let them drive without adult supervision for another year, why are you leav ng them to learn math by osmosis. This is a poorly written question The rigor or chal enge wasn't from the curriculun, but rather the lack of it. The rigor was from students being darned into the deep end of math without any instruct on or support. That's not challenging, that's bad education. The whole format was so frustrating that it basically demoralized my daughter as it pertains to her ability in math The question is irrelevant. There 3 N0 curriculun. MVP has students sitting around discuss ng how one night calcdate an answer. There is noth ng that they are Ieaming as a basis for these conversations. Are they able to sit in groups to take their quizzes and tests? Are they able sit in grows while they take the MVP as a 'cormany' corrpletely misled the decision makers of the I have copies of multiple emails where I reached out to MVP for assistance and not only as my first request ignores (ie they never check their feedback process on their website, that THEY set up), but when I emailed each of the founders, I got a response that said talk to you' comty apport. It is MVP curriculum. and they could not provide resources That is suspicious. The discovery method takes SO long that depth and rigor is sacri?ced for times sake See above It did not make sense that ow daughter was not being taught the ski Is to do the work. We basically had ?nd resources for her to learn the sk to do the Math. The teacher wasjust in the class as a babysitter It depends on the students mathematical abilities. Student doesn't study much and has 83 I don agree ith any of the answers above so I didn't select one. isn't a question of the gor/challenge level at all. It is a question of whether the program itself is of value. I don't be ieve it is an adequate program as test scores have gone down since the comty has adopted MVP. Teachers need to be able to actua ly teach. This program does not encourage instruction. In math. That seems mbelievable to me. It is a huge ssue. I am not sure the rigor is too high, but the way math 3 being taught in this curriculum 3 not clear There a no tectbooks or other resources to supp ement the packets and the packets do not teach the material well Needs more teacher gu'dance and interaction especial with ds who are struggling in math. The overal concepts are not too high however the lack of instruction - or even comprehension of how the materials are presented, is what makes this programjust above uselmress. The rigor is ?ne but too much busy work It's not about the rigor being to high or low, it's about the level of instruction. The teachers are not prepared to facilitate a self organizing classroom I also don't think that the approach is the correct approach. I pay a tutor once a week fir each of my kids because they are not taught at school. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I feel like these are not good choices for your questions. By checking too gh I feel like I am saying that my daughter is not willing to try to meet the challenge. She is very wi ling and spends home on math homework th as much confusion hen she's ?nished as when she started! Rigor as in teach youself first The student is left to self teach. It's not appropriate. Not enough direct nstruction I really don't think it's a matter of rigor/challenge Advanced math concepts are not typically self taught Yet, MVP seems to think new learners th no previous experience or ecpertise, can teach themselves. I remenber that the next time I need sugery. I'll just tell the doctors, 'No thanks I don't need your expertise. My son took MVP math. He can teach himself how to do this complicated procedure.? Too high in that it does not appear to align with practical methods My son reported circ time was an absolute waste, and the teacher abandoned it after 2 weeks and reverted to a standard cwricdum The level of rigor is not relevant. Kids are required to do 'discovery math." This is math that was initially discovered by al-Kh arizmi, Euclid, Pythagoras, and Newton among others. There the expectation that 13?18 year olds are to be able to figure this out in a class per 0d?? The discoveries of these great scient and philosophers made was meant to be shared and mastered So that others can then go out and use these tools to create other great things The MVP cu riculum forces students into abstract thinking for which they have no foundation and at the same time expects them to master the concepts that they cannot understand. The purpose of math is to teach students the methods and procedures and then upon nastery, demonstrate how these can be used in the real world. Finally, it is then no to the student to manipu ate the mastered knowledge into something meaningful to them. Constant failure is about all we see at home. They work HARD at their studies, but the math isn't ogical. They're expecting the kids to infer things that aren't easy to infer. Don't confuse "r gor' with ?sowing discord and misery." They are not the same. Students don't want to be spoon-fed the ans ers, but they do want to be given instruction before tackl ng problems of increasing cormlexity. My daughter's math teacher adnitted to me in a parent/teacher conference that he can't understand the problems in the work book and I have seen video of him standing in front of class try ng to figue out how to do a problem and everyone is either ta king among themselves or ?ring questions at him that he can't answer They move too fast in math, leaving basic skills behind and do not prepare the ds for SAT and ACT fundamenta skills they need for testing. and beyond. I think there should be an option to say that the amount of rigor/challenge varies on the topic and time it 3 introduced. I am fortmate to have very smart children who learn qu'ckly no but when this first started last year for my 7th grader it as not easy for her to transition into. In fact my straight A math student as making 30's 60's, and 70's now. I had to contact the teacher who then nformed me that she is not ab to teach outside of the box and that all teachers have to teach the same (which 3 absurd since not all children learn the same) and that she was aware that several good students were struggling so she would offer extra credit opportunities to assist with their grades Mind you my straight A student had a in math class at some point. Thankfully this teacher recognized the strugg and assigned a project and ectra credit opportunities for her class. This is a poorly worded question. The rigor is not the prob em with MVP. We all want or: students to obtain a high level of success in education leading into the future. The process of teaching themselves and their peers how to work through problems 3 not appropriate nor does provide gor. This process provides resentment and students who are pulled along, while not grasping any of the concepts. The strong students are frustrated by having to share their hard work with peers who did not bother to do their assignments. and the students who canmt grasp the concepts just fail and move on. I don see ho this level of supposed 'rigor' is teaching these students any concepts for future success other than how to deal with difficdt people and deal with the frustration of watching success come to lazy people on the tails of others success This requires students to teach basic concepts to themselves and then apply them without knowing if they mderstand. ease get rid of MVP. Not sure, my chi d's standardized test indicated a lower leve of performance than the course grade (while using the curriculum last year) It's no appropriate for all students especially when teacher are not adequately trained to teach it. Nor does give students sense of mastery or complete conprehension Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I like that it isnt rote memorization. Having to solve problems rather than calculate answers is more irmortant in my ine of work. It is only too high because there is no instruction. People keep saying low floor high ceiling, the ceiling is too high for acadern students and students are shutting down. It's not about rigor or challenge. That makes sense when you already have mastery and personal wish to dive deeper. It does not make sense when you don't have bas 0 concepts or mastery It only leads to frustration and a hatred for the topic We want to enoouage our students to love math, not fear or hate it because those who know the material aren't allowed to share their knowledge. If my student is ecpected to learn on ine, then why send them to school? I send them because of the corrbined knowledge of the staff who have the expertise to teach my child. Otherwiselazy and not allow teacher to teach, I may as well home school. This isn't college! The students are expected to learn ALL material on their own. No actual teaching 3 done. This is a bad question -- it's not high or low, t's inappropriate. Students are being asked to learn theory before they master simple math. They can't learn explicit vs. recusive if they don't have the ability to conceptual ze My child earned a 99 in MVP math and only realized what emlicit and recursive meant in the last month of the year. Somehow she got good grades without understanding anything that was being taught. Clearly a cu'ricdun fa lure since her teacher followed the curiodtm completely, and did everything she was told to do But my ch Id still dn't learn MATH There is a reason so many students are failing or having to seek ettensive outside tutoring to barely make it. They are instead teaching kids to hate math. It so very sad. .rny math loving student no dislikes it very much. Increased struggle by students does not mean the curriculum is more rigorous or challenges students. This poorly written curriculum doesn't build the fomdation necessary to be successfd. Students teach ng themse ves through discovery camot stand on its own must offer direct instruction This curricdtm doesn't work with high school block scheduling - not enough time spent on concepts, just rushing to get through modu es Workbooks are a joke riddled with errors. NO RIGOR. N0 MASTERY. The level would be fine if students were taught up to the point where it begins rather thanjust throwing them in there and leaving a gap in what materia they have been taught I can't comment because I have no idea what MVP is. I can on put that it's too high due to choices above. The curriculu'n is module based and ridiculous. They are discussing as a group and still have no idea how to come q) with solutions. Math needs to be individual at high school level. This is these kids futues and not all are great at math and let's not forget they do not ant to discuss in group. They want to be taught. I am not sure I would not consider the word ?challenging." MVP is an awfd curriculum and dumb ng down our students. It sets them for failue rather than success. Most of the assignments do not make sense, or are ?lead yourself? assignments This means that there is not a lot of material/information to refer to when doing, for examle homework. l'i'n all for cha lenge. But frustrating y, financial burdens by having to hire tutors aside from school tutors is atrocious. This curicdum has rm ones a GPA and confidence in any math programs. The curriculum is a challenge, but no because of the rigor. Every day my child comes home confused because he is not given direct instruction from the teacher on how to solve problems using the appropriate equations. He is not alone this. The methodology of using student groups to figure out so utions with the teacher as a facilitator is not work ng. Making ch ldren teach themselves with little guidance from a teacher who is supposed to teach creates an environment that does not encourage learn ng Not a valid question. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: BAD it is not the rigor that is the challenge. It is the math itself. When I can talk to other parents that kids were as high achieving as mine, and they a I are currently suffering, there is something to be said about what is being taught. Not sure what it is, codd n't tell you it's better or worse. The pedagogical approach allows some students to achieve while other students get totally lost. We need a curriculum for a I students. l'rn not sure if it's the cm icdum, the teachers, or the train ng teachers received to be able to teach to the curriculum From what I see the kids have to learn on their own, tests don't match study guides and more and more kids need tudors to understand because they are not getting that help in school. MVP is taught at a very fast pace. And I use the term ?taught" loosely. These kids are barely taught in the classroom and are to fend for themselves and teach each other. The kids that are struggling can't keep tp or ever get get a chance to get caught m. My son has been an A student his whole life. He is currently a Junior in Math 3 honors and has been failing the whole semester. And by failing I mean an average of 24 that went up to 34, then 48, and currently 54. This is with additional tutoring at schoo and outside of school, which of course we are paying for out of pocket. Children are failing all over with this new math! Do something!! I think the content appropriate but the eecution of the material is sub par No one knows if it's too hard or too low but one thing for sure is something 3 wrong somewhere. It isn't appropriate for teenagers and pre-teens. Maybe use it as AP level class for seniors Not 8th?11th graders. It has ruined my daughter's conf dence in truth. Now my average student son has Math and his grades are dropping also. There is no ay that my etic, below average child will ever pass this class even at the academic evel. I'm not sure any of the above choices are appropriate. My child is in math 2 honors and making a but made at A in math 1. I th nking the way MVP is taught can vary greatly from teacher to teacher. Also, because teachers all 9 ve the same test there a ho es where some teachers haven't covered certain materials. It's not high, lo or appropriate. It's how the math is taught, it's such a disservice to the kids. The kids who need one on one instruction from an actual teacher are struggling It may seem" too high' only because Students are expected to teach them se ves and learn from each other. There's not enough instruction time spent on any one topic Don't know since I can't follow the cmiculun? no text books with lessons. Students aren't suppowd to have to teach themselves, parents aren't supposed to have to teach them and we shou not have to be required to hire a tutorjust for our children to pass The lack of instruction is appalling. As a former math teacher I am at a loss as to why anyone would ever think that the MVP program is a good ay run a math Children are not able to teach other children. These are teenage years and most kids are not nice and helpful to one another! The level of challenge is too high because kids can't grasp the concepts based on how MVP is taught t's a terrible curriculum that is making kids that were straight A students in math, now hate math. This question was hard to answer because the challenge of MVP is none of the above. If you had the level rigor/challenge of the is inappropriate I would have selected that one. There are too many things that are out of order, assurrptions made that kids have learned things that they haven't in the past so there 3 no good fomdation on which to grow. I don't thirit t's a question of the rigor/challenge level but how it's delivered. The teachers need to teach the math and the kids need to practice it. Having the ds try to 'discover' the ans ers at this level is useless. I think the rigor is too high, because so much material is expected to be earned with little practice or explanation the workbooks. Traditional books or even teacher driven materials from previous years have more practice problems, have exarrples to help students at home, and seem more thought out, not to ment on the necessary, basic instruction is given by the teacher Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The rigor/challenge wou be ust appropriate, if the material was properly etplained to the children during the process . Inc uding new material ecplained/taught in the beginning or during learning process, not after all modue tests are over and mits finished. MVP requires students to search for lessons and self-teach themselves the basic formulas and theories. The curricu um is designed to fail any student which struggles with eecutive functioning skills. It makes math hard, because instruction is terrible, but there is also not enough practice in the curriculum to make students comfortable with each unit. The challenge is too gh but the rigor too low. The laissez-faire approach makes inpoa ble for a student to ecel and the teachers are helpless to interfere. It isn't too high or too low. The problem is that there 3 no instruction by the teacher. The students have to self discover the material. This leads to no learn ng of math. Would not be too gh if teachers codd properly teach material. Have to pay a tutor ice a week because teacher is not able to teach material on tests It's too low and too high It's too low in that the kids aren't dr lIed/taught/tested/challenged in class However it's too high as the kids then go home and have to figure it out on their own - either ith the he of a parent, tutor classmate, online, or risk a bad grade. This question doesn?t even make sense. It can't be answered. MVP teaches process more inportant than answer. How can one determine rigor from that? I chose too low because kids aren?t filly getting the concepts therefore can't build on it moving for ard. Challenging because there is no teacher discussion. Just help from classmates and if they don't know child is still lost. The curriculum is designed to challenge and help students develop gher levels of th nking and problem so ving. The teacher needs to be aware of the connections that the cu'ricilum is expecting the student to make and assist at the appropr ate times when students may be missing ideas Gaps in fomdational knowledge can cause mecpected problems that need to be addressed. My ds were miserable during the year and did not fully cormrehend the topics duing the year I real have no idea how to answer this. I think the subject matter that should be covered is probably appropriate, but the method is definite lacking. This particular question is almost irrelevant. It's not the rigor that's the problem. It's that the curicdun is half baked. Discovery based learning can be good, but at times the intellectual maturity needed to discover certa mathematical concepts out paces the students' developmenta maturity as well as the developmental matuity needed to apply the concept. Applying a mathematical concept 3 often more deve opmentally appropriate for high schoolers than discovering it may be. Too much time is spent on discovery, not enough on appl cation, and therefore retention is low. My daughter is a fairly intelligent girl. She has been in talented and gifted throughout elementary and midd school. Her Math 2 Honors class is causing her significant issues I do not think this curriculum is making her con?dent in math Plus, I am fortunate enough to be able to afford a tutor for my daughter. However, I am certain that many families can not do that. the math class is so dif?cult that I need a private tutor, than this not a free and appropriate public education. All students are very capable of learning the material in the cu'ricuum if it is presented well at school the speed at wh oh you go through the math curiculim is also causing more pain. Again the students can't practice what they haven't learned and the math workbooks arejust practice exercises with no teaching. How disheartening it is to a child to get all of the problems wrong and to not have the opportunity to mderstand what he did wrong because the nert day means they are moving onto the nett page and leaving yesterday behind. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have never heard of this program It's not the rigor that is different. it is the ay that it is taught (or not taught) It's not rigor, it's gaps and errors the workbooks. It's tests and qu'zzes that are not in line with workbooks. It way too much surfing the web to teach himself math. The grade cuving and mastery is insane. You can not challenge a child to do mo if there is no text for them to learn from or eranples to view to help understand the concepts 80 any challenge is limited by what ever is taught in class and the teacher is awful, than the student ll learn very little. It is probably appropriate but the roll-out/teaching has been challenging The challenge is irrelevant, when the fomdations of math aren't being taught. This is not a good question. It's not about rigor. It's about the way the lessons are taught. I can't even choose any of the above. Many aren't even grasping the basics in evaluations, so I'm not sure rigor is even a scussion point. I have not even seen a quiz or a test to review content and skills matching I don think it is fair to expect young teens to teach themselves something like math. Hard to judge the rigors of the curriculun when the students are only learning from a workbook Allow teachers to do their job and teach Right now, students are handed a workbook and expected to master the information on their own. That is a recipe for failure and a huge oversight with the new curicdun. Rigor is not the issue- it is the lack of direct instruct on to ensue that all students are mderstanding and cormonent in the math skill I can?t answer this quest on. It assumes I can quantify the MVP curiculum. I think the methodology is not an effective approach for my child. Not faniliar with this It's not necessarily that the challenge is too high with the challenge is trying to mderstand hy you are making it more complicated than needs to be. I am not opposed to challenge and rigor However, I oppose MVP From everything I can tell - it's a challenge because the children are not being taught - but expected to gure out a lot of stuff on their own. My daughter who typically gets the top grade in most asses stil ends up with a low A but has to spend hours of extra time figu'ing things out on her own. Rigor is not the issue, math is math. The issue is whether or not the teachers can teach math well whether the students are provided resources consistency to learn math. I am not sure about the rigor of the program. My son took Math 2 last year and struggled, where he had previously done wel . My son as enrolled in Math 1 It was a bit too challeng ng for m. He is getting extra help. He attended four different schoo for grades E1 6, 7 and 8 so has not had continuity of cu'ricdum before entering high school So he was starting with knowledge gaps and lack of confidence with math I don question the rigor but rather the approach and methods Please add any additional comments on the above topic: No answer, the "rigor? is not the issue. Lack of instruction, logical progression and building upon itself while ermhasizing skills previously learned is the issue The cou'sework is totally inappropriate for identified learning styles My child strugng night with homework not mderstanding what is being rushed in class. He also get 3?6 pages of homework a night hich can q) to 2 for him to corrplete since he doesn't mderstand what is being taught My daughter is struggling with the math curiculum She has tutors outside of the classoom, is a dedicated student and is still having a difficult time It's less the rigor than the approach to teaching. Students struggle when not properly instructed. Math is not a subject like philosophy where grow discussion magical educates the group. The homework assigned is several hou's some weeks and at other times when my children go for help during allotted times, they are left either stil confused or the teacher tel 3 them not to worry. Which in turn makes my children worry more. I do not see my Children challenged by this math program I don agree ith this question's prem se It's a poorly written curriculum. It's not about the rigor. No one has a problem with rigor. This moves entirely too fast for students and seems to have very little instruction from the teachers. If the majority of students are watching YouTrbe videos and/or requiring a tuto what are they rea ly gaining from feeling defeated? Students who did very well in Math 2 are struggling in Math 3. Several of my students classmates have corrplained how much more difficdt this semester work is for them From discuss ons with my son, who previously has done well math, there isn't enough exp anation/teaching fro the teacher. He can easily get the concepts every time we hire a private tutor The group aspect is difficult. My daughter is often learning from other students not the teacher so she is never sue if it is correct or not. It's too high because no one knows or understands the process. Even tutors are having a hard time. It is too high because it is not taught. The rigor of the curiculum has nothing to do with it It's the style that it is being presented Teachers need to TEACH the material, show exarrples worked out. ask questions. Pract ce, practice, practice. To set a group of kids off without guidance would like asking someone to build a bridge who isn't an engineering. NO IDEA here to start and more often than not, the kids end up confusing each other ith wacky ideas My child does not seemed to be challenged at all and does not need independent study to do well. I am not sure that this is a good thing. I cannot agree with any of these comments. My daughter is doing well in Math 1 MVP. She hasn't expressed that the course is too rigorous or too relayed. I do not feel like my children are challenged in math ike they should be. When half a class fails a test, there is something wrong with the material. Basic math concepts have not changed and it is not the rigor of the work erpected It is the challenge of the MVP curriculum that has created confusion among teachers and students. There is inconsistency in how concepts are introduced. I don kno how to answer the above question I have a in Electrical Engineering which is heavily mathematical and have a hard time helping my son decipher what he is supposed to do. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I don feel th sis a va id question. The rigor/ challenge is the way it is being taught Because of the fact students are given little guidance from teachers how do we knowthe cause of the problem 3 the rigor? Not sure There's no challenge to giving a person a tool and not telling them how it works, hich is what MVP does A challenge assunes that hard work and studying can make the task achievable The task of receiving/eaming consistently high grades is not achievable using only the MVP curiculum While I'm not at all familiar with the program. my son is doing well math and seems to be appropr ately challenged. Q7 - Which statement best describes your experience with the WCPSS mathematics resources website? I visit the website and use the resources regularly with my child. I have visited the website and used the resources on occasion, but not regularly. I have visited the website, but have never used the resources. I have never visited the website. 0 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Which statement best describes your experience with the WCPSS mathematics resources website? 1.00 4.00 2.85 1.13 1.27 2,717 # Field Choice Count 1 I visit the website and use the resources regularly with my child 14.98% 407 2 I have visited the website and used the resources on occasion, but not regularly. 27.05% 735 3 I have visited the website, but have never used the resources. 15 61% 424 4 I have never visited the website. 42.36% 1151 717 Showing row 1 5 of 5 Q17 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My 11th graders current Math teacher could not tell us how to get to the site and she have no information at back to school night other than “go to the site”. That was it. My children have visited the s te, but I do not recall whether I have looked at t or not. I have used many online resources, but cannot say if this is one. This is the first I am hearing about a supporting website / addit onal resources, and my child is in Math 3. They do not replace qua ity teaching. Online reasources make the assumption that all kids can learn online. This is the teacher's excuse for not being able to assist the students. They simply say to check the website... I didn't know there was one. Neither my child nor I have heard about WCPSS mathematics resources website. our Teacher provides other methods to learn Best kept math secret? I’ll look at it & see what it has. Some how in my 14 years of WCPSS no one has ever told me about t. All the open houses, meeting teachers & time volunteering in classes hasn’t exposed me to that resource. FYI - My current HSer didn’t know it existed either. I disagree ith paying a 3rd party for this service. I can't find what i need to match up with what my kid is actually doing and then help them study for tests... We used it with gradpoint after my child failed. The online course is much better than the one taught by teachers There were too many technical terms, I do not remember the names of things from when I took math, so I couldn't easily understand it. The website was not shared with parents. W th this format we might as well be home schooling. She s expected to teach herself the material! Get r d of MVP or we will absolutely dump WCPSS! The only people benefiting from it are those employed by MVP, anyone getting possib e kickbacks, and tutors. MVP is garbage and has made my child despise math and believe that he s ignorant. . I can typically help my child without looking at the website. Precalculus was an exception - that class was awful (but not part of MVP) I gave up on math once my son had a horrible teacher as a 6th grader in m ddle school in the condensed 6/7 8 math. She put nothing into powerschool timely. Kids d dn't know their grades until almost the end of a quarter. Math 1 he had a fabulous teacher. Math 2 was a wasted year. They were forced online without a real classroom or in person teacher. It was BEYOND unacceptable. 8th graders should NOT be expected to teach themselves MATH 2!!! My son as once a true math kid. NC / WCPSS ruined that. Online resources are too basic for the homework I see. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Didn’t know it existed This is an embarrassment to give a survey on something that as a parent I as never informed about. I have never received information from my child's teacher regarding the website and ho it might be used to support instruction. Likewise, my student has never been to the website. Never heard of it I was not aware there was a website for WCPSS. We use the local teacher webs te for information. Never enough. Tutor s not enough not - not even I didn't know it existed. There's a website? My k ds visit the website; I have seen the resources; but on occasion I have had to bring other resources hen explanations were insufficient. I did not know there was a website. This question is not being phrased properly. Forget the website. Let's focus on the lack of materials available to the student. First and foremost, the students do not have a math textbook given to them This prevents the parents from assisting them at home We don't know how it was taught and cannot go over the materia in a structured fashion without a book. This is where the WCPSS failed the students. The school system is e ther under funded for books or they see MVP as a tr al approach to math and are not sure they are going to stay committed to t. Math classes need to have textbooks. Period!!! Relying on the teacher's notes published on the website is terrible Many teachers don't post their notes. This leaves the parents without any resources to help the students. I have never visited the website because I have never heard of t and was not aware that it existed. We used online videos Kahn Acadamy, and hired a tutor and asked her 8th grade algebra teacher at a Charter School for help as well as consulted with teacher friends. If honor students are struggling with this program, how in the world are average and students with LD suppose to pass? It just puts these students further behind! Simply not helpful. My child never used that website nor was I informed at the parent teacher night about such website. Teacher told us to refer to khan academy, pretty sad they can’t teach it in the classroom but refer to outside sources The website DOES NOT provide enough information for my child to successfully understand the MVP curriculum. The website in inadequate. As a parent trying to he p their child the webs te in inadequate. MVP math is awfu ! We had to visit the website and use all available resources in order to help us understand the mathematical concepts that were being introduced. Didn't know the webs te existed I will estate again, when doing the problems I and my child should not have to visit the resource webs te It needs to be readily available in a handout or book for al students. One should not have to hunt down information to do the problems it needs to be provided in text fashion before the given homework assignment. Due to work load from moms Graduate intense program Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I typically refer to Khan Academy when my son needs help with Math homework (which s very infrequent). Both of my children do not ant me to help them with the r assignments in th s or any subject. That is a good quality in most cases but because they are both having trouble with Math in this case they really aren't able to effectively independent. The resources are lacking. All youth do not learn in this manner by watching a video was unaware it existed. The school websites have been down all year. My wife just got access to them. We have been homeschooling for the past few years and my daughter has not taken math yet. Not helpfu In preparation for Math 2, I started viewing each esson on the website the day before or the day it was taught so that could help my daughter This seemed ridiculous, but I as informed by other parents that the only way for a child to get above a C in MVP math was to hire a tutor or to learn the materia yourself alongside your child. This seemed to work for the first 3 units, but the quality of the teaching on ine got much worse in Unit 4 and I was no longer able to learn the material So now our 1 th grader who is a strong math student is teaching our 9th grader the material in my place and we are paying here like we ould pay a tutor. When d d home internet access and a parent able/willing to spend hours helping their child learn math become a prerequ site for student success? I use the website when my son has questions and there is a concept that I don't quite remember. Are you judging parents or the math curr culum? I don t f nd the site particularly useful. This math curriculum stil confounds both me, and worse yet, my son and I see no connection between this course and what students need to kno in the real world which, to me, makes it useless. t seems to me that the courses were changed for the sake of saying that they were changed and it served no real purpose. My child, personall , does not prefer the mathematics resources website since it does not do much for her Although, she occasionally use the website for practice problems, it only generalizes the modules. Which is not much of a help for the material she is learning. My daughter just graduated in 2019. I didn't know about the website when she was in school or either t wasn't available. She came to NC at the end of 9th grade from GA, and struggled in Math 2 and 3 to the point I paid a tutor to help her. Class and lunch tutorials at school just were not enough She would have failed if we had not gotten an outside tutor. Georgia does not teach Math 1, 2, and 3; they teach the subjects in isolation, Algebra I and II and Geometry. I believe since she did not have Math 1 in 9th grade she missed out on vital content necessary for Math 2 and 3. My son is a current sophomore, has already taken Math 1 and 2, and will take Math 3 next semester. He was at the end of the 6th grade hen he came, so he never experienced the gaps that she did, and has been fine, so these are the reasons I have never visited the website. Wasn't aware of them for my daughter (and she could have really benefited from them) and m son excels in math and never needs my help I am busy teaching my child life and social skills and providing them a childhood. Math is one of the few things I insist their school provide. So no, I'm not doing the legwork. Tried using the resources but stil had to hire a tutor I used the website once and it was not very helpful, so I have not returned to it. Fortunately my husband and I are both engineers ith plenty of math background, so e can assist our son without the need of these resources. Unfortunately, not all parents are in that position. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Can never access website I WOULD LOVE A TEXTBOOK WITH ACTUAL EXAMPLES I WOULD PAY ANYTHING FOR IT. I AM TIRED OF GOOGLING EXAMPLES. Thank you for providing addit onal resources. They are very helpful. But the fact that students desperately need these resources ndicates to me that the students are not fully understanding the topics as they are presented in class; instead they are having to teach themselves on their own time after school!! Students should leave class each day having fully understood what has been taught, not having to go home and figu e it out My daughter is tired after school and should not have to spend hours trying to understand someth ng that as not explained well in class. My child is SO frustrated after leaving school and math class that it is a total mental meltdown situation to try and force him to sit down and use MORE se f teaching methods once he’s home. For crying out loud. He’s supposed to learn in school. Not teach himself and others in his group at school, fai and then come home and sit n front of a computer to try and self teach aga n!?!? Seriously. How about his dea? I WANT HIS WCPSS RESOURCE FOR MATH TO BE HIS MATH TEACHER. I kno . Crazy educational idea I have here. I was not told about the website from the math facu ty. Resource websites have not really been provided by the teacher or school. I have found them on my own. Having looked at the MVP website I am at least happy about the existence of linear printed material explaining the problem solving methodologies in use. This g ves me a fighting chance of helping my child with his homework. That site needs to be promoted more. Most parents I have spoken with are unaware of it. I find better better instruction on YouTube than the district s te. No replacement for adequate teaching and repetition. We are having to supplement. Everyone I know is using a tutor. Our 3 older children who are in math/science/engineering fields have been very successful in their fields, and they were taught under the old algebra-geometry-algebra 2-pre calccalc sequence. They graduated from Panther Creek and aced all college math classes. How was this system flawed? I had no idea t was a thing, I use google when my child needs help in math because I have no clue what they are doing. I am researching all materials frustrating Was not aware of it but will check it out now! I am aware of this as Wake employee. would suggest that high schools in high needs area do a better job of informing parents of MVP math. We have been to the website, but it is NOT inline with the classroom. I didn't realize there was a website. Resources are great, but the math should be taught in the classroom where the students can ask questions. They shouldn't have to rely on websites. The resources cost money, a luxury not many can afford. We have stumbled on them occasionally while searching I did not know there was a specific resource website. My son may have used the esou ce but mostly he used You Tube Videos to look up math videos and taught himself how to do the math Please add any additional comments on the above topic: As mom, I find the Canvas access tool amaz ng! I wish it were available for all courses, as some children need to hear and write differently than listening. This affords them better note-taking and absorption. My son s doing ell and I have never needed to go to any resource. Based on the few support materials that ’ve seen (workbooks, homeworks, etc) there are so many mistakes and mis eading informat on, that I would not trust any website developed by the same company We’ve used YouTube videos, textbooks bought on amazon from the 1990s, and a professional tutor to supplement the school products. Most of the v deos the county has supplied are Khan Academy or not related to the MVP packets. The videos are simply found on the internet of the concept at hand. There is no correlation to the problems in the MVP workbooks and the videos I saw. At th s point, have not even heard of such a resource. We are new to being parents in WCPSS with a 10th grader. Luckily, I have not had to utilize extra resources, due to the fact that my kid s excelling n math (thankfully due to her awesome foundation in math from the Saxon program). We have utilized various teachers websites but were never informed that there were resources here. We have also used many educational websites — this amounts to hours of study at home just to be able to f gure out what the homework booklet was asking. Neither my son, or I know about this website Perhaps teachers aren’t shar ng the information Did not know there was a website I didn’t know it existed but I don’t appreciate having to spend extra time going to online resources to teach my child math Why can’t my child receive adequate instruction and resources during class time? We had to engage ith a private tutor to assist my son with mathematics. A better statement would be inadequate not helpful, and a complete waste of time. Not one thing on that website assisted with Math 1 I shutter to think what is available for Math 2 and 3. Parents shouldn t have to v sit a website to help their child with math homework. My child mainly uses the web esou ces The website and resources are useless we do v sit the mathematics website on a regu ar basis and have tried to employ resources that are available there. They are equally confusing and not helpful when your child does not understand the basis of the math that is being requested. Again, discovery and lower math levels like math 1, 2 and 3 do not provide students the foundation for extending themselves in higher mathematics curriculum We have given up on resources that are available through the school and hired an independent tutor. That is the only way my student is having success. The website wasn't there last year when we needed he p. The website has limited resources, the teachers did not explain much, tons of hw to be done by k ds,had arranged for private tutor, but due to rushing of syllabus, hardly had time to work out,very dissapointed with MVP I did not know there was a website that might be helpful. We have been forced to hire a tutor to compensation for the lack of TEACHING occurring in school. We are starting to use it more. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We spend our time work ng on the problems and using the Internet to explain them so we can understand...sort of like what a Teacher should be doing. I was not familiar with the website until this survey was just sent out. I am not impressed by what I see For parents who are college graduates, it should be easy to see what your chi dren are learning and be obvious why they are learning it. Your program has pages of explanation to justify this horrible way of teaching Also, my daughter is not allowed to bring the "module" books home from school. So a though I asked to see her work...it seems there is never anything for me to see and diff cult to know how she is doing on a daily basis unti we see assessment scores on powerschools which is already too late and she may be falling behind. This program is dry, takes the fun out of learning math, does not speak to the student's abi ity level, moves on whether individual students are ready or not, and I feel sorry for the teachers forces to use the program in the classroom because it takes al the creativity out of teaching. Teachers once excited to be in the classrooms are now bored teachers using a prescribed lesson that is not fit for most kids. Not the type of classroom that I ould want for any ch ld. Math shou d be taught by math teachers NOT videos. The website does not really help to understand what is trying to be taught I love the idea of having online resources, but the way Math is taught now days is totally different than when I was in middle/high school. I basically have to re learn what I used to know, and to be honest, after work ng all day, don't want to come home to parent homework It would be ideal to go back to traditional names and methods of teaching math: Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra 2, Trigonometry, Calculus, etc. Unless a person is going into engineering or other related fields, no on in the work force cares about thinking out problems. Employers want to know you did it in a timely manner... that's all that matters Strategic thinking can be nurtured in ELA and Science... not math. The materials in the past did not provide enough in depth explanation of the concepts. While I appreciate that there are resources available, they shouldn t take the place of the classroom experience My child uses the resources regularly. do not, she works fairly ndependently. My husband has had to help on occasion. I use the materials provided by my chi d's teacher because she provides materials that help explain the lessons being taught. MVP does not do that. The MVP supplements a e not helpful I didn’t realize there was one. Why would I rely on a website deve oped by the same people who chose a curriculum fu l of low-quality workbooks riddled with errors? Or a system that chose to replace quality instruction with "open concept" group learning?? No trust. This is a great effort by WCPSS staff. look forward to seeing how they expand upon this. They may provide some assistance but do not replace TEACHING which is what should be happening n the classroom. i have two children at different grades and we do go to the website for both Paying tutors seems to be the best option if you can find one. There are very few who are experienced enough to teach the new method. Which makes it even that more frustrating for our children When the "workbook" that the kids have been giving has incorrect information in it and the teacher who helped write the book tells my kid yes there are things that are incorrect in the booklet, it does not really give me a good fee ing about trusting the so called resources given on the ebsite by Wake Co. The website is positively not passed to parents for a stolid reference Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Difficult to navigate and then you asking me to watch with my child and teach them math? That ust asks what is school and teachers role? I am not a Nationa ly Board Certified teacher, am not a math major, am I the best qualified to educate my chi d on this topic? Just the fact that the site exists combine with the idea that very little instruction time is done is class highlights the problem with MVP. This process should have three roles: 1: Learn, acqu re knoweldge and be able to apply that knowledge: Student 2: Educator: Instruct the student and provide structure, information and feedback to the student Teacher Support Hold student accountable to do wo k and p ovide support, guidance and motivation when necessa y Parent In MVP Math and with the ebsite you have fl pped the role of the educator and the supporter/parent and the role of the student/educator. In the class room to my understand ing MVP to some degree flips the role of the student and the educator. So you have taken the person w th the greatest understand of the material and how to commun cate that material to students and minimize their role and ability to work with students. How does that make sense? One of my daughter's ma or complaints was if you have a strong personality in your group you have to wade through all kinds of erroneous information to get the facts and the correct information. If feel like there could be some positive attributes of MVP math once basic foundations of knowledge are built and consistent throughout a team. I could see a group of math majors in college benefiting tremendously from this type of socratic collaborative approach but when you get a bunch of 14 year old high school freshmen who don't know much and then you ask them to teach themselves through "teacher moves" and rich exe cises it s a recipe for disaster What you end up with is me at home t ying to go to a website to refamiliarize myself with stuff I learned 30 years ago or even worse lean stuff I should have learned and then break through the confusion my daughter has to teach it to her. Did not even know that there was one - have been utilizing the teachers tutorials and Google. Shows lack of communication via school district and teachers! It's not adequate. My student and her tutor are using the website and they are both struggling to make the MVP content work to build her math knowledge base since the concepts are scattered. students a e from very different background You cannot expect every student and their family to use these online resources afte class The website was released as my student is a Math 3 Honors student. He was already so far behind in hav ng the concepts taught that the website s little to no help. I had no idea this website existed. My wife and I are very act ve parents, and the fact that we know nothing about this speaks volumes to the poor communication that has been provided by the school system around the math curriculum. The system-wide website is helpful Figuring out how it connects with the ndividual class can be a challenge. When there is a specific class website, I am grateful for it. They are pretty terrible - and the fact that parents are essentially required to teach, because the actually teacher isn't - but oftentimes the resources are better than nothing Need to set up the outreach on this. Oh, while at it, find a relevant replacement for MVP. My child has regularly accessed the resources on her o n. I do not want my kids learning math from videos. need the teacher to give the student mix of direct instruction with discovery. I send my kids to school for instruction not to come home and watch math videos. I did not know there was one. This should be posted all over the teachers' websites and the schools' sites, and stressed to the students and all parents who have children enrolled in math classes at Wake County since there is clearly a major disconnect in learn ng the math material. Find more useful help with you tube videos Unaware of this webs te, and looking at it now don’t see any videos for Math 1 I don t think students should have to use onl ne resources to learn their math after being in class for 90 minutes. You might as well take the class online. He asks for in person help if the $60 tutor can’t help Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I was not aware there was a website for math resources available. Has anyone ever told or shown me the website? NO! The resources are not spec fic enough Sometimes it doesn't match up with what the student is learning. I know nothing about this website. I didn't know it existed That could have been helpfu two years ago Now, I'm practicing independence with my son He's a J and my daughter is a Sr They missed MVP, thank God, but I worry about the students who will become citizens. Public school works for everyone because we want a society that can work well. As a former employer of Millennials I can tell you that they lacked basic skills in mathematics and English. I had to teach them on the job, which took away time from my duties as business owner. They were up-to-date on STDs and soc alism, but couldn't do simple math. For instance, we had a program where one would input fractions of hours, charging the cl ent by percentage of hour. They ould input .30 for 30 minutes. No, .3 of 60 minutes is not 30 minutes. I had to teach them that .50 of 60 minutes is 30 minutes. They were undercharging the client. Which affected my bottom line. had to teach them th s SIMPLE math. Three different people, from three different Wake County schools The problem with education is that school systems want to teach social justice issues and want the kids to parrot causes, rather than teaching them to reason and think on their own And, NO, math is not the same as socia stud es Math is linear You don't need to reason 5 of 60 minutes You need to know You need to eason how spending $30 mi lion on a new road impacts the city budget, and where that money will come from and what makes the most sense for the good of all, will it be to take that money from existing programs or develop a bond, or increase taxes? Every action has a consequence, and the kids aren't getting that. That's why they buy into socialism. They think there is an end ess supply of money--we'll just get more from the government. Understanding cost-benefit and consequence of actions are vital concepts to the next generation. No help We were not even made aware of any resources last year in MVP Math 1. It seems Khan Academy is a better route this year than the WCPSS math resource page anyway. My children use it We didn't know there was a website for MVP learning from the beginning and I don't think my daughter got any help from the website later on. My student had Math 2 Honors 1st semester of his freshman year. Within a month of school starting, I met with his teacher to ask for addit onal resources because he was struggling and it didn't make any sense. He thought he understood concepts and had always been strong in math, yet h s performance was terrible I was told that "everything he needed for success was in the MVP workbook" and that if he completed and mastered the concepts in the workbook, he ould be fine. At that time, the extent of the issues with th s MVP curriculum were not widely kno n. As parents, we simply thought our child wasn t working hard enough or focusing. t turns out the curriculum is hugely flawed and students were struggling across the board and lacking resources needed to succeed. have spent thousands on tutoring just to make sure my child learns the concepts he needs to unde stand math and not fail this course under MVP curriculum I was unaware that MVP had a website that was of use to families. I never received any information about any resources ava lable. The website is not helpful at a l. Not helpfu The website is mostly useless ithout the appropriate teach instructio We use other outside resources to learn what should be taught differently in the actual classroom. It’s honestly ridiculous. This web s te is not well publicized. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The videos were not helpfu . Again, prior to this district my kids never struggled in school We were always able to he p with any questions they may have had. Now we can’t. Now we depend on paying wcpss math teachers extra money to try and explain the math and it’s still a struggle. We spend so much time n MVP material as we l as a l over the internet trying to get examples and trying to compensate from what the teacher should be doing at school and what I expect from my fare share of taxes Honestly, we find better instruction on Youtube. I visited my son's teacher's website on last semester. The resources on the site were not helpful. We rely mainly on tutors ... true shame on WCPSS Did not know it was informed of this resources I had to have a parent teacher conference to know it existed. Here again, the resources that they have on-line seldom match what is on the test. For example, the work the students r g ven to do in c ass is completely opposite of what is on the test. I never heard of a resources website Shou dn't some of this occur in the classroom, why do we have to figure out so much at home. My son atches the daily v deo and attempts homework but generally has to go every day for supplemental help to understand how to do the homework Other video sources have seemed better. A tutor is the only way I have been able to help my child St ll made no sende It is not enough to help with the lack of actual education and basis to understand the materials. I am supplementing with costly tutors and other books, kahn academy etc We v sited the website regularly, but then the videos were no longer available so that just became a waste of time I am concerned that MVP is a for-proffitt organization that masquerades as being not-for-profit and open-source. The lack of transparency s galling, and I feel that WCPSS was misled when select ng the curriculum. A website can never rep ace direct classroom instruction from a qualified teacher. Parents and students should not have to visit a website for the help that a teacher should be providing. We’ve had to visit these resources because MVP math is r diculous! Just get rid of it!!! I have v sited the site as has my kid, but watch ng videos cannot nor should wcpss aste thousands of dollars on creating a virtual classroom My kid has time inside a school bui ding that actually needs to be spent on learning... internet should NOT be required to earn n wcpss. What about kids with no internet? Didn’t know there is a maths website to use. Shame on WCPSS for not sharing this information with parents Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child has accessed other resources, such as Kahn Academy to support himself. there were very few resources available to help students specifically with mvp math There should be more instruction in the classroom and less reliance on technology. The lessons online are not sufficient. I have not been successful in finding helpful information online. We have visited the website and attempted to use the esou ces, but the website was not user friendly And the resources that are available barely explain the concepts while using simple examples of problems that do not reflect the difficulty of problems on the assignments or evaluations. No instruction was given to use the ebsite. The resources appear to be for middle school. My son is a sophomore in high school. the website isn’t helpful ith the resources. When I went to the site to f nd information about the lesson, all could find were the questions in the workbook. My k ds have used it but I have not. We have used tutors. We have not really found it helpful and have had to try outside sites in order to get he p st home. Until just now I didn't know th s existed I just asked my son He didn't know e ther Really this should probably be shared Aga n 14 year old are not strong communicators of these types of changes. The videos go way to fast and are not usefu . We have attended open house sessions through the school. We use the teacher’s website and notes to he p with homework and prepare for tests. I have subscribed to the MVP help videos for $4/month. If WCPSS has great resources, teachers should be told about them and should be asked to share them with parents It seems concerning that a ebsite needs to be created to provide this nformation to families. This suggests, that too many students are not able to learn the material in c ass the way it is be ng presented. I’ve never heard of it Therefore have never vis ted it My daughter does But she doesn’t use it I’ve noted the reasons already Our tutor used all resources availab e to be sure he taught in alignment with the new methods. He also worked with the math teacher to confirm his approach. Despite that my son struggled to get good grades in the class. Getting 30s and 40s after extensive preparation is very discouraging. visit teacher websites. Resources and workbooks are error prone and not helpful Math is math. Just teach it! Wasn't aware of th s My daughter is not familiar with it. Not sure how to use those materials. It is better teachers teach concepts to students. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: It’s not easy to navigate. Initia ly needed to help in Math 2 honors, but within a few weeks it was no longer required by my child. I shouldn't have to vis t a website for my kid to succeed. We didn't need to do this in the past because teachers showed kids HOW to work the problems. When teachers aren't allowed to teach it csuses parents to become the teachers, for wh ch we are not qualified. It takes too long searching for what you need our student has tried to work with her direct teacher for help and we have used tutors. I am aware of, and have utilized, all available resources to provide additional support for my daughter. Shou d not have to. The website is a complete waste of time. I had better luck watching Khan Academy with my child. Thank goodness that my daughter is majoring in Math at NC State because don't have the time required to teach my child every night or get a tutor. He shows me his notes from class and they are just as worthless as the website. Where are the worked examples? Where are the formulas? Where are the little tricks that came with the previous math curriculum? This is ridiculous. The mathematic resources are not rea ly helpful A tutor is required in order to TEACH and support my student Let teachers TEACH My son regularly uses the videos and can navigate the resources independently. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS Have never been told of such website I assume you are speaking of the "new" website Wake County created in the Spring of 2019. My son has not been in math for close to 2 semesters so this was not ava lable when he was in Math 2 as far as I was aware. There were videos and Khan Academy offered, but they only offered minimal help. I look forward to some actual resources when he starts Math 3 next semester. Why should I need resource website? Shouldn’t the chi dren be taught what they need to know in the classroom? In my opinion that is the job of the teacher, to teach the subject so everyone understands I had no online resources when I was working on my math minor in college I could never find anything helpful within the provided resources. I visit the website when helping my child ith homework. When needing examp es and ways to teach the math I have used old math books YouTube videos. The problem s the website materia (for our experiences) s that it does not match (at all...not one bit) the approach (or ack thereof) the teachers follow. The examples and explanations on the website seem ok but then the examples that are presented in the course book are on a completely different plane. Also.....why should it take a highly and hugely involved parent to help a child navigate and learn how to use material on a website that then does not relate to the classroom? I consider myself a highly engaged parent but it was even too much for me to figure out how to help my smart girls Shame on this program to put us parents through this And, I an engineer and use mathematics a l throughout my day at work and I was even struggling understanding this methodology. Thus we are spending $1100/month to ensure our girls are properly instructed. If the math was taught in school I would not have to use the resources on a website. I have tried to use the resources, but I find other sites more helpful. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I did not find the material very approachable and have to resort to finding other guides. the teacher my student had often posted materials for his class late The resources just do not help. H s teacher says to use Khan Academy as well but it does not help. There is a resource site? I searched for 10 minutes on the wcpss website after seeing this question and I could not find it. Why is it impossible to find? I had no idea there was a site with resources I never visited until tonight. Thank God, because now I actua ly sort of understand what my kid is learning in math, even though I don t kno exactly how it matches up ith how her teacher is presenting it. Are all teachers required to use the same sources, or do you not have enough money for that either? No info was sent home or provided to us about a website to help us figure out the mvp curr culum Resources on website are not usefu . I was very thankful for the rescues but are quite sure it was not sufficient instructional tool to enable CAPABLE students to be successful under th s math curriculum. was not aware We use the WCPSS every unit. The extra pract ce set and answers are really helpful when studying for a test. (There are some errors in the answer keys however.) We have not used many of the videos, but my son did watch one when he m ssed school to help complete missing work. I have attempted to use the website numerous times but it is of very limited use It expla ns how to do the practice problems in the workbook only. Sti l no explicit nstruction on the concepts. And the “extra” practice problems are a joke. There are only 20 problems for an entire unit. If try ng to study for a quiz, only 1-2 of those practice problems even apply . There needs to be ay more practice problems. This website is NOT he pful enough! My children have used the resources, but have reported that they do not always find them helpful. I am now tutoring several k ds so I use it daily. I struggle sometimes with the questions it is asking and how it is being explained in the workbooks. Yet have graduate level math My children walk me through the resources and know where to go if they need help. We don’t know what this is - no information provided. I used supplemental websites when there wasn’t any resources specific to the task being learned Site is difficult to navigate. I’ve never heard of this s te My daughter watches the videos and also has a math tutor. The videos are ok, but again should not be a supplement to a teacher actually teaching or a math book that has explanations Those MVP work books have got to cost way more than buying a set of text books Its not like social studies whe e books have to be updated all the time; its math It doesnt change. Bring back textbooks and stop with these workbooks! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Ugghhh Shouldnt have too I was never aware there was a website. #br ngbacktextbooks. The website and resources are just adding to the amount of work that kids are being asked to do on their on. This curriculum is asking the kids to teach themselves. The resources are not user friendly and easy to access I would like more practice per unit t's easier to have my kid do Khan Academy because it gives feedback. Websites are great as supplemental resources The use of MVP makes the web resources more of a necessity. Th s should not be the case when we supposedly have highly qualified teachers in the classroom who are not allowed to use traditional models of math instruction and student success is suffering. You tube doesn't help parents and cannot explain the MVP process. I only visited the website during a presentation at a middle school PTA meeting. I empower my student to do the ork on her own until she needs assistance which hasn’t happened. I was not aware of a math resources website When our child is in high school you don’t expect to have to be searching for additional resources The fact that this exists at all suggests that there is a need for more support. Perhaps the classroom teachers use it as a part of their instruction...? We use the school provided resources and a Tutor. I am not sure if my child uses this website or not. We were not aware of any of these resources the first year of MVP Math 2 and did not learn about them until the end of my child's 2nd year (MVP Math 3) Little to no help. Frankly, if they were being taught appropriate y, there would be no need for additional resources. How much more money does it cost to create and maintain this "additional resource" ? I am as frustrated as she is and find Utube more helpful We are also having to h re a private Tudor (a former high school math teacher for WCPSS who knows MVP and wi l actually TEACH her what she is supposed to be learning from the curriculum. Kinda l ke what a teacher is PAID to do; ouldn’t you say? My daughter is not aware of any website with resources for her math. Was not aware it existed On Unit 2, HS math 2, the "Answer Key" was a bad link so I was not able to check his answers on the "Extra Practice" section. All links should be checked, just in case. We have gone to the website and viewed the videos but they are oefully lacking in content and not sufficient to be used alone for instruction. We have sought out other resources to fill in the missing information and move m student towards understand ng All that materials suck. I tried to learn this w/ my child and it was way too confusing. I have never had trouble learning math from the regular text books...literal y made it through Col ege calculus w/ A's...and I struggled with this program. It s terrible! I visited the website but did not find the resources much useful There is a need of much vigorous and variety of resources provided through the website. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I didn’t even know a mathematics resource website existed. We were never told there was a website. The website is not very helpful. We still struggle with doing homework questions. I find it difficult when there are no example prob ems in the actual book If my child is absent or doesn't copy the nformation correctly there s little for us to go on. My k ds are pretty self motivated The improvements have on y come to be helpful now in the 2019-2020 school year. The resources in 2018-2019 failed our students. Also, if the instruct on provided by mvp is so poor that the resources are necessary to teach yourse f the math, the the curriculum is a failure. We plan to use CANVAS to supplement while my student is away from school for a planned absence. The wcpss math material including videos, Khan academy and work sheets have been savior for my son as he uses all these mater als to actually understand the concepts. They compensate, to a large extent, the poor materials and the MVP style non-teaching. The same material as what's in the book, ncluding the errors. How is that helpfu ? Are we supposed to be teaching our kids or are the teachers? My husband has spent numerous hours over the years working with our kids teaching them what is not being taught in the classroom Resources are not helpful. They are more confusing Great, there are resources available. We use them. We also use the teacher, we also pay over $400 a month for tutoring 1xW. This is not the way curriculum is supposed to be rolled out in the largest school system in NC. I will never get this curriculum. The tutor that we pay tries to use the resources, but they are inadequate and we need to supplement the program in order to teach my child the required math skills needed for the course as described by NCDPI. It’s not my job to teach my chi d math. That s what he goes to school for. My children use the website more than I do I really fee that homework should be practice of what has been taught n school If a child consistently has to stop their homework to go watch a tutorial it really disrupts the r f ow and makes homework even more difficult. I appreciate that the resources are there, but I don't think students should have to routinely consult a webs te for help on homework I find the resources as difficult to maneuver as the curriculum, itself. It was up to my chi d to find videos buried deep in one of too many school web pages she was asked to keep up with and have passwords for as a middle schoo er. The mater al as not accessible to parents unless we were looking over our child's shoulder insisting there has to be something somewhere (beyond a blind google search) to help with math homework. Again, limited in terms of being helpfu . It’s frustrating that I’m trying to re lea n high school math We try, but we’re lucky she has an older brother who had a teacher & does well n math I wish she could have a teacher actually teach math like my son had. Did not know of the web site resource. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I only came to find out about this website after contacting the teacher because my daughter was failing even with a tutor. The ebsite has been very helpful but shou d have been available at the start. Also, the ebsite should be supplemental not ESSENTIAL to passing the class. The teachers should be teaching the material and the students should use the website for clarification and supplemental info. Perhaps my child has visited the site for support, but I have not I do not use the website, because I'm not the one taking high school math My teens have visited the website and report that the resources are not helpful. They generally go to Khan Academy or consult one of the tradit onal texts we have on the shelf at home when the MVP instruction s muddled or unclear. used it once, didn't really cover the problem she was having I did not know about the website last year. My daughter is not in a math class th s semester. Didn’t know there was a math website We did not know about the resource website. Neither did our child. This is the first time hearing about it. The website and resources are useless. Website? I have not visited the website but my daughter has. The teacher showed us the website during Meet the teacher. She seems to use the website to teach the kids bc when you ask her for help all she does is tell them to google or go to the website. Makes me wonder how much training the teachers have with MVP math? Do they even know how to teach it. Never heard of it. The resources are insufficient and not relevant enough to the actual assignments at my child’s school. Students should come home understanding each topic/lesson. Parents shouldn’t be re-teaching hat should have been taught at school. Sucks My child is set to take Math In the second semester so I have looked at the esou ces and have used them but not on a regular basis We did not find the WCPSS mathematics resources very helpful. The teacher has not told students about this resource My child is adept at using that site, as well as the one her instructor provides- however, as an EC teacher, it has been a valuable resource fo me to help the k ds, as well as direct them to it, and their parents. I do not find the resources sufficiently he pful. find this entire curriculum soooo frustrating! The resources are inadequate. We cannot seem to find an example of what is expected half of the time. If I cou d just fine 1 example to see hat you’re trying to teach, I can turn around and teach it. Most of the time cannot figure out what you guys are looking for and so I cannot tutor my kids. We have never been informed that there is a website They are not at all helpful with this “curriculum ” Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I dont have access to the website It does not help much Why?? Let the teachers teach. If i have to do all the research and hire a tutor and teach my child why offer the class I have not been informed, and honestly do not think that I need to vis t the webs te. I am trying to teach them to be learners on their own, and I do not sit down with them and hold their hands during homework time Too many pa ents are doing this We have to create students that can go off to college and complete schoolwork on their own! Didn’t know there was such a thing! The NEW wcpss website has some potentia to it - but has a ways to go My MVP student doesn't have her current year math class unti next semester, so my use of the website so far has been imited, however I have looked around on t enough to know that the answer key hich was posted for MVP 1, Unit 1, "Unit Extra Practice" had several errors n it. I finally emailed one of the "higher ups" n admin (Brian Pittman) and told him and he asked me for the corrections and he got the answer key updated. However I shouldn't have to do that What about the students who don't know what errors are there and they get really confused? So unacceptable. After all the problems that wake county has had, why isn't there a link to be able to suggests corrections? There are plenty of pa ents/others who are looking for things and if they could quickly submit a correction that would be a big step in the "collaboration" bet een the county and parents, much like they want students to collaborate.Or - why hasn t the info been reviewed enough that there are no errors n it?? For the last 2 years when I have needed extra help and resources usually just search for other teachers n the county who have posted NON-MVP resources which do a lot better job at teaching the information and prov ding pract ce. I see myself looking for those resources as much as or more than the WCPSS website, though I'm sure we will give it a shot if she needs something extra next semester. There's a website??? My son is in the Eleventh Grade. I should no longer be expected to sit with him to do his school work. This should be taught in school!!! didn't know there was one The website is not helpful at a l My child receives no instruction. Instead of answers to direct questions he is told to get on a s te and pour through videos hoping to find an answer. My son vis ts regularly b c his teacher cannot explain the concepts presented. He spends hour after hour re-teaching himself math. Until recent y the resources on the website were almost non existent and defin tely not he pful. t took parents bringing it to the attention of the local media for Wake Co to step up and create their own video resources. I found it difficu t to find resources on the website that represented the math problems assigned by teachers. The website gave support for simple problems, hat s assigned for homework requires advanced calculation. It doesn’t help! Let teachers manage and teach based on students and classroom needs they know best! WCPSS trust the teachers! I don t understand stand how to even begin to use the material because it doesn’t make any sense The website was not available when I tried to access it and the help line provided no assistance. The resources are not helpful My child visits the teacher websites for help when needed My child visits the website as ell as her tutor regularly to help learn. Since teachers are no longer teaching math and just used as facilitators we have been forced to hire tutors to teach our children. MVP math and its concepts need many resources in order for students to be successfu . Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Never knew there was a webs te. Although outside resources shouldn’t be needed f students are actually being taught! I should not have to visit a website. The teacher should teach not facilitate I pay taxes for teachers not facil tators. This is not a sex Ed class that can be facilitated. It needs to be taught. Sorry can’t say this enough. I am not aware of a math resources website Have to try and find info mation wherever I can as the students are not be ng actively taught n the class oom though a bunch of rev ew sheets n not a usable resource for students if they haven't been taught how to work the problems. Have to h re a tutor to teach what the WCPSS math teachers are not. If the teachers were more effect ve, parents could concentrate on their own careers rather than need to supplementing the teacher’s efforts It seems to me that the provided resources shouldn’t need to be accessed REGULARLY by my student and I if she understood the information being covered in class The resources aren’t helpful if they the teaches are teaching the information! My daughter has not found it helpful My child may have used the website but ’m not sure It doesn't help me to understand to he p my child and my child does not find the resources of any use. Access to internet s an issue Every time I have attempted to use the website, they system has been down or failed to load. I used the math ebsite frequently until past 2 years during changes when it was not updated or information wasn't linked. My child is very independent and uses the resources as recommended by teacher. Awful resources. Have decided to use a tutor instead. I believe that, at the High School Level, I should not be guiding my students through the use of resources. I would additional prefer that in class instruct on is sufficient for learning the material and that additional outside resources should only be needed as an except on Didn’t know it existed. Resources were posted too late to help our student. I have v sited the website, but the resources did not provide a structured method for finding solid and meaningful examples. We have had to result to simply using google to try and find examples and definitions for the concepts he is trying to master. Plain and simple, WCPSS needs to go back to a traditional math book which contains adequate explanations and examples for each concept being taught, The resource website is not helpful at all We tend to just google how to do certain topics when we need to help our daughter. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I did not even know there was such a page. The kids are given resources through the teacher's websites sometimes, but only the kids have that access to their own accounts I believe WCPSS had fa len short in many areas. Our schools used to rank high 10 years ago, now I am just thoroughly disappointed The website was only recently announced and many materials are inaccurate. Math should be straight forward and direct. This math curriculum compared to the curriculum on Long Island is a joke These students are at a huge disadvantage Even the website for support has errors Too little too late! Last MVP class and now the schools are alerting parents that there is an inaccurate website available. The resources do not help my child ith her homework or understanding of the concept. We are using outside ebsites and resources, as we l as relying on other family members to help her through th s class. Because the resources are copy-written, it makes it very cumbersome to access and print out help; especially if you don't have access to home computers/printers often. Did not even know there were resources onl ne. Did not know there was a website and I am on my second child ith this cirrculim. I feel like a teacher I have hired a Tutor to work with my child because I already have a full time job If I wanted to homeschool I would not be in public school. More of the same crap they have in class Direct Instruction has been proven to be the best methodology for teaching. Why not use it in school? I was unaware that there were math resources online. It has never once been told to us that this was available. I didn't know there was a website I find the resources on the website to be somewhat helpful, but other resources from the Internet, including Khan Academy, allow for clear direct instruct on of how to actually solve the problems. The resources are a little late in arriving. My daughter took Math 1 two years ago and Math 2 last fall. These resources ere not availab e at that time. And if they were, they were not sha ed with parents There were some similar resources shared by her teacher with students via Canvas last year She wi l not have math until Spr ng semester so we have not had need to utilized these resources yet. I will say that they should be in an easier to find / more prominent posit on on the WCPSS homepage. Perhaps under the "Digital Resources" con. All that being said, my daughter was in math class for 80 minutes a day. She shou d not have to come home and teach herself hat should have been taught in class. 80 m nutes is more than enough time for instruct on and collaboration. Work done at home should be practice and reinforcement of hat as taught. It’s pointless to use resources hen the books you gave our children are riddled with mathematical errors! Both of my children’s teachers confirmed that Wake County is/was aware of the errors but the books were already printed and Wake County was not going to pay to reprint a l of the books. MVP SUCKS! I’m sure the school board bought MVP with good intentions but it is horrible. I m ooking to move out of Wake County because of this! You are failing our children!!! I visit the websites constantly. In Math I, I sat with my student nightly. I have lists and lists of questions and comments where what was in the videos did not match the homework content or what was taught n the classroom. I was asked at one point to provide this list to the curriculum team at wake county, hich I did. I have yet to receive any feedback. They did not even acknowledge receipt of the email If you have a student who is color b ind they il not be able to see the colors MVP uses in the videos. They will have to change the filter on their computer screen However they may not know if that they are not seeing the colors correctly, as some students do not have an adult sitting with them nightly. What kind of educational professionals do not think through something as simple as this? Wake county seems to have tried to fill in the blanks with the videos but it's still a mess. Parents might as well pull their kids out of Math class and take them to Mathnasium or a private tutor for that portion of the day. I am a former math teacher so I just supplement when needed Did not know about these resources. We used Khan Academy Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Didn’t know there was one. I visited the website to see what was out there There were typos and incorrect nformation on the website. I do not trust it as a resource. Was not aware of this site However, the resources are horrible and you cannot access many of them without a paid subscription. Khan and other free and readily available resources have helped us I don t f nd the website helpful at al . My daughter uses a tutor weekly to teach the concepts, and then teach the MVP way. She also relies on YouTube videos and Khan academy which offer in depth explanations and plenty of examples. The resources are FRUSTRATING. They don't exp ain what is needed and they don't show the same types of problems that will be on tests and quizes. We often have to go to outside resources to find the answers to the questions we need answered. I want written resources- an online manual with a set of instructions and worked examples would be OK, but a printed resource would be better. My daughter gets migraines from screens. She needs to reduce her screentime, and having access to online resources DOES NOT HELP. Do I have to get her a 504 to get her the materials she needs? Additionally providing online resources is not helpful for people of l mited means whose only access to the internet is at school or by a parent’s limited data plan on their smartphone My daughter spends a lot of time on this ebsite trying to figure out ho to do the prob ems but this shouldn't be happening. She should be taught this stuff in class, not have to spend her t me on her own trying to figure out how to do the problems. They also aren't being given answers to problems so she has no way to know if she has worked the problem correctly if she doesn't have the answers. My husband has tried to help her as well but is never sure he is correct without answers to problems) I had no idea there was a resource website! Please get rid of MVP It’s not relevant to basic math ca culat ons. A h gher order of math that push students beyond their basic taught skil s is a disaster!! Some students foundation skills are not at level of this MVP nor is the teachers knowledge and ability The k-12 site ould be more helpful with keys to the extra practice, but it's a great resource. The math 2 videos for example are some condescending woman just orking out the problem. What is the point? I thought this was supposed to be done in a group setting? Resources are not helpful. It's not my job to interrogate your website. It is your job to teach my chi d math. If you don't want to do your job and it becomes my job, I shouldn't be us ng my tax dollars to pay you. WCPSS you have a paid responsibility to teach our students, not defer it to other students or online resources. If you can't do your job, we will replace you will someone who is capable. The resources are not helpful. It seems to me if students need to access othe resources besides what's provided by the teacher in class, then the curriculum the teacher is being asked to teach is not appropriate for the class. And, that WCPSS has made the resources ava lable to all schools and all students means it's not simply that one or two teachers can't teach math. It's a systemic failure of what the teachers are told to teach at the expense of the teachers' own expert knowledge. The fact that you are expecting parents to be so involved that they are having to help their children find outside resources means that you know this curriculum has, at best, gaps and at worst is completely unable to meet the needs of the typical student. Why should we be having to use these tools at home other than rare occas ons... shouldn t they be taught at school. No one told us about a website. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I didn't even know there was a resource website. The resources provided our no help I have to f nd alternate traditional math resources, and teach my child. She gets NOTHING from this program except grief. The resources are not helpful at all. I have tried using the esou ces, but they did not help There aren’t any. No one can explain anything fully. I was never told there's a website, it may be a way to help students understand, but a website or a video should not be a substitute for teaching. Resources are incomplete so need to supplement elsewhere I use it only to try and gauge what in the world is going on it is NOT as helpful as it could be... Did not have knowledge of any website Plus we have had to pay for a tutor to help my child. The videos are the only thing that save my and my ability to help my child. These are good, and are VERY necessary given much of the information on how to solve problems is not available in the book as directly (and without being in class) I would also like to see an answer key for the ready, set, go problems so he can check his work at home (or at least a partial answer key like all odd number problems) This plus add tiona tutoring after school and on weekends. I had no idea there was a resource website. My daughter is a Jr in high school. She looks up her resources independently as a 17 year old should. I know my son has used website for help but says it never he ps. The website didn’t exist for my guinea pig student in the fall of 2018. Parents shouldn’t have to visit a website. Ne ther should students. Teachers should be allowed to TEACH! If this site existed, my child would have visited it. I feel like this also not a great quest on After 1 5 hou s in class kids should be be ng taught the material Not having to watch a 1 min video My daughters teacher often refers the kids to the videos instead answering questions. My children have needed a tutor not free resources I visit them but they don t help. I YouTube them and visit Khan Academy. Sure would be nice if there was a text book and a teacher teaching the lesson so that don’t have to do it every night. My student was never told about any outside resources. Also, why shou d my kid have to go to an outside resource like that- it’s the teacher’s job to give them hat they need in class. It was not useful at all Please add any additional comments on the above topic: If the curriculum was so good then the teachers should be able to teach in class and the students should understand the material without needing much outside support. If you’re needing lots of outside resources to understand the concepts then something is wrong. I have had to pay to tutor so my son can get all the Math content delivered to him since he doesn't get any of it from the classroom. The resources are so minimal on the website it was not helpful, so we haven’t been back to t. This is our third year with MVP and the first with the WCPSS mathemat cs resources website I have had to teach m self and student how to follow the calendar and pull appropriate resources. We a so use other resources. Tutors that we can't afford to supplement for a curriculum that is failing students in the classroom. The resources on the website are not helpful, so we don’t use it. Helps but not effective if teachers are not teaching content Has anyone noticed the mu tiple mistakes in MVP materia s? The problems are so wordy (for math!), that it's sometimes hard to get to what is going on. Resources were a waste. Fiund better resources in You Tube and other internet sites. MVP is ridiculous!! Get rid of it please. As a high school math teacher with a strong knowledge of the NC Math standards and knowing where we want the students to go, I'm comfortable helping my child when necessary. I usually encourage my chi d to speak to the teacher to make sure that the teacher is also aware of some of the challenges that the child is exper encing. I think the n class coach is important for kids to understand these basic concepts of maths. Not letting kids to learn by themselves. Kids cannot comprehend thoroughly. I don t have time to do a lot of research, so I usually help my son w th my own math knowledge. The website seemed to just be a recap of what was done in class. We wasted time re- discovering, when a few examples would have refreshed memory and provided better practice with less frustration. Digging through videos and ooking for answers to gaps in understanding is inefficient and frustrat ng I want to know why learning of this topic can’t happen at schoo and we have to spend so much t me at home trying to figure out what they were supposed to learn during class with in adequate resources stock up on a website Used the teacher website. My student is in high schoo trying to prep for college. The amount of handho ding needed for this MVP math is hindering the idea that parents are need ng to give more space. You can’t give space when your kid is fa ling math for the first time and it’s going to affect the gpa and college choices. The resources are sub par. I regularly find myself having to Google resourced on the internet to assist my son in re-learning and absorbing the lessons. M My child feels independent and that she is able to grasp the material via the classroom and resources provided But struggles with thefts and quizzes Since she tests well otherw se I can only conclude that the evaluations are not appropriate for the mater al t covers. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This website was just added this year. It looks like it il be helpful so we don't have to search the internet It would be even more helpfu if the teacher taught it in the f rst place instead of expecting the kids to figure it out themseves. The resources never match what is being taught. This is the first I have heard about the webs te. I wish I knew ho to access it right now. Would have been helpful to know about the website when they released the new curriculum What website? I honestly shouldn't have to spend so much time assisting and looking at the resources. I already took math. I learned the math skills a long time ago where is this website? Wasn’t extremely helpful The resources are not real helpful. This curriculum is even challenging for the teachers to teach it so I've had to attempt to teach my child on my own after work ng my full time job and coming home to fix dinner. Thank you WCPSS for making my life more stressful. Again - my child is smart and a hardworker - a l A's so far - I understand if parents need to investigate resources for children with unique needs or challenges but there is no reason parents ordinarily should be trying to figure out how to instruct the r kids on subjects that have been taught for decades. W th my son he is able to learn the curriculum and navigate through without much help. My daughter on the other hand needs a lot of help understanding and I often visit the site as well as other resources to research the material at home in a way she understands it. I have to teach my child math to guarantee they will succeed. Not all parents have the time and resources to do this. Was not informed of the website until this survey. My daughter is a HS student and refers to the resources on her own. there was not site guven to us last year this is a tricky question I have visited the website and use Khan Academy and some other resources for one of my k ds and it helps However w th my other two children the resources on the website have not been very helpful. Nor have the teachers websites, which I thought would have better links and examples. I saw no point in this when the curriculum itself is so awful Like asking someone with no tastebuds how to cook. Seems odd to me that there needs to be a website with resources to help your child. Videos , practice sheets, links to other websites. If the teachers were teaching the math then I don't think it ould be necessary to have all the other tools to help you child. Ridiculous. I find that the questions on assignments are often quite different than the examples on the videos. I have a tutor who has a masters degree ; and she helps; I think it is ridiculous to expect students to come home and watch a video of how to do the work assigned when they are in class for a hour and a half Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The teachers should be able to teach my child. That is my job. If I am having to search for resources outside the c assroom on my l mited "free time", that is a prob em. I didn't even know there was a website. It was never provided by mu tiple math teachers, assistant principles, or multiple tutors as we desperately searched for help for our student. Resources were useless and nothing like the tests given I had no idea this existed Because we were not familiar with MVP last year we did not learn about this resource for awh le. Due to block scheduling we have not had math th s year yet. The additional resources don’t help much, but I do access them regularly. I’ve used some of the inks and resources when attempting to help one if my children with math homework that they need to do in a way that is different than I learned it. Q8 - Which statement best represents your child's experience with the MVP math curriculum? The MVP math curriculum has helped my child improve their math knowledge and skills. The MVP math curriculum has made my child more confident in their math ability. The MVP math curriculum has been frustrating to my child. The MVP math curriculum has not helped my child improve their math knowledge and skills. 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Which statement best represents your child s experience with the MVP math curriculum? 1.00 4.00 3.08 0.85 0.72 2,575 # Field Choice Count 1 The MVP math curriculum has he ped my ch ld improve their math knowledge and skills. 8.74% 225 2 The MVP math curriculum has made my child more confident in their math ability. 6.17% 159 3 The MVP math curriculum has been frustrating to my child. 53.09% 1367 4 The MVP math curriculum has not helped my child improve their math knowledge and skills. 32.00% 824 2575 Showing rows 1 - 5 of 5 Q18 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Q9 - Which statement best describes your child's performance on math assessments since the implementation of MVP Math Curriculum? My child's performance on math assessments has improved. My child's performance on math assessments has declined My child's performance on math assessments has remained about the same. I'm not sure if the MVP math curriculum affected my child's performance on math assessments. 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Which statement best describes your child's performance on math assessments since the implementation of MVP Math Curriculum? 1.00 4.00 2.53 0.85 0.73 2,700 # Field Choice Count 1 My child's performance on math assessments has improved. 5.41% 146 2 My child's performance on math assessments has declined. 54.63% 1475 My child's performance on math assessments has remained about the same 4 I'm not sure if the MVP math curriculum affected my child's performance on math assessments. 1 7% 577 18.59% 502 2700 Showing rows 1 - 5 of 5 Q19 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son did really well in MVP Math 1 (taken in 8th grade). He's had a harder time with MVP Honors Math 2 (now in 9th grade), but think it's a more challenging c ass. I cannot judge the impact since I have had to do my own teaching to counter MVP. Thanks to me and my husband teaching and hiring a tutor Things have gotten harder for her, but she is also n a higher grade, so the material is supposed to be more cha lenging. My daughter's grades went from A to a C with the new program. GET RID OF MVP!!!!! My daughter went from all C’s in math to a solid F. My child's results so far have remained about the same so far. But the effort required is much greater to achieve the same results. My child is very gifted in math, so he's still doing very well. But the way this curriculum is designed, it seems like it would leave any child that learns in a different way behind. Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. The MVP program confused my chi d. My k ds have always received scores at the top of the scale. I disagree ith paying a 3rd party for this service. Miserably...declined. Thank goodness I took many high leve math courses in college so that I can teach my kids math at home. Wake County clearly sn t getting the job done with MVP. Again - no idea High Schoolers are really struggl ng, even those with consistently high math skills. It is beyond ridiculous to expect a teacher to move from group to group and be able to help each child or group within the class period. The flipped classroom is a failure of an experiment Before this program my son enjoyed math and did very well. Now he does not enjoy math and he struggles None No change. Same comments as above with my two kids Please add any additional comments on the above topic: He shows a better understanding of concepts! Plummeted would be a better word. He even makes lower on his finals. My child probably ould be better off if I could send him to private school being that this shows ho incompetent public schools are by giving survey questions once again on something as a parent I know nothing about due to lack of information. My child's in class pe formance (quizzes, homework, and tests) has remained the same We have not taken a standardized test or EOG in math since beginning MVP. We are just in our first year of MVP. Flunked My child d d OK on the last test despite issues that seemed to negatively impact most of the class; good pedagogy should enable most or all of the students to succeed! Clearly declined. From straight A’s to C’s and D’s. My child's pe formance declined tremendously from her typical assessment grades We had to hire a tutor to help her understand the concepts She would feel confident after her sessions and feel like she had a strong understanding and her tutor confirmed that she had a solid command of the concept after practic ng. She would then take a test and do poorly. Her frustration was that she did not understand what they were asking her to do on the MVP tests. The wording of the questions and problems was a huge struggle. I requested to see her tests and asked her previous teacher at a Charter School to exp ain how she should have done the problem and her teacher shook her head in confusion and said I have no idea what they are actually asking you to figure out. Her tutor had the same response. When she would go to ask for help, her teacher would explain it in a straight up NON MVP way and that helped but to apply it to the tests when the questions were worded a specific way it was not helpful. My child has had all As in math until MVP most recent grade was a C. At my child's previous school district she was in the TOP 5% of standardized testing for math She always received A's on assessments in the classroom. She is strugg ing to pass her assessments. She is aware she is not earning the needed skills w th MVP. She is aware and concerned that her lack of learning the necessary sk lls WILL PREVENT her from succeeding which il impact her high school GPA and ACT score. She knows from siblings enrolled in college the lack of learning il follow her FOREVER. MVP math is awful! Just slight y, but that’s because of all the extra work we are doing at home and that is me help ng him. I have two ch ldren in this curriculum and have had to remove them both from the higher math classes they ere nitially placed in due to their declining progress. I watch them with home ork and feel as if they are trying their best to get through the lessons and assessments with passing grades. There are times that I question what, if any, skills they take from these classes. With the beginning of each year, they are having to relearn the previous skills just to be able to apply them to new skills I am now paying for both children to visit a math tutor on a weekly basis MVP has had no effect either way on my child’s performance. He has gone from an A/B student to praying he will get a C in math. He took Math1/Algebra in 8th grade. Child's sudden low grade in report was very challenging and embarrassing to him. I am not sure if the MVP made any negative or positive impact on my child. I think his regression last year had to do ith teacher's style of teaching. This year he seems to be grasping the concepts and has resumed his confident. My child on words "Mommy the teacher this year make everything make sense to me, she reviewed some of the things I did not get last year and it feels that this is my first time learning them because they are so clear to me" Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This was an attempt to undermine some kids' confidence and reduce success in math. My child's performance has decl ned, but so has everyone else n his class. His performance is still relatively high compared to other students in his class Thus the whole class has decl ned proportionally. He's stil getting A's in math... We have literally rece ved no feedback from the school rega ding how our child is doing With the websites not working, it has been very f ustrating Have not taken math 2 yet It appears the tests g ven by Green Hope High in Math 2 are inappropriate. Our daughter has done all the homework, learned the material, and shown mastery to us. She has received an average of 99 on her four quizzes thus far However, she has found the tests are covering material that was not taught by her teacher or by the WCPSS website resource. So she s has gotten an average of 85 on the tests. We continue to find random "holes" in our child's math knowledge base. . This is hy I feel a math curriculum should be changed early (if needed) and followed through h gh school.. Although, my child is working harder than she has ever worked in Math, utilizing videos and resources provided, the level of frustration she has is taking away her love for school and math Fortunately, her teacher is going the extra mile and provides 6 tutorials per week for extra help My daughter, who has always been a top performer is attending as many tutorials for help as she can and still is not seeing her o n preferred results. It is very frustrating to see your child work so hard with few resu ts. My child is doing ok because she studies the material ahead of time.. most kids I am sure do not do that. My strong Math1 student’s confidence has been crushed!!! My very weak Math3 student has become increasing aggravated and miserable and frustrated. Makes him hate school that much more because it is WAY over his head BUT WCPSS offers no other opt ons for math. NOT ALL KIDS ARE THE SAME. NOT ALL ARE MATH MAJORS!!! HE’S DOESN’T HAVE A MATH MIND BUT YET MATH 3 IS THE ONLY CHO CE?? Then to throw a curriculum like MVP at them especially in mid school career? START AT THESE NEW CURRICULUMS AT KINDERGARTEN IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL!!!!! My child has been at the same level of proficiency since she had entered MVP. Only having grades as low as the average grade for students and above the average. Thank goodness I pay $40-$80 a week for a tutor to explain how to do the problems! My son barely had a D in Math 2 4th quarter, but made a 92 on the Math 2 exam??? Thank you to my tutor! Not everyone has the ability to get extra help. See previous comment My son has been fortunate in that he has had experienced teachers with his 3 MVP math classes. They all knew enough to know that MVP used on its own was not sufficient to teach the material, and they heavily supplemented ith their own instructional teaching. His current Math 3 teacher hardly uses the workbook at all except as occasional extra practice problems My son says they do not even do the discovery tasks any more I know this because I've ta ked to his teachers as we l as keep up to date with my son's homework. They hardly ever have Ready Set Go! homework this year. Last year, my niece, who is also a Wake County student (Math 1), but at a different school, had a teacher who did not do supplemental teaching She had to use google every n ght in order to learn the material for her homework (since t was not taught in class). She is an advanced math student and is one of those who is able to learn the material on her own without need of a tutor. If the only way students can "succeed" with MVP math is to use it "very lightly" in favor of rea , traditional instructional teaching, then why is Wake County spending much needed budget dollars with professional MVP learn ng for math teachers, pr nting MVP workbooks, paying MVP for online tutorials, and hiring third-parties to assess the program? Don't we have enough budget shortfalls in education already? I, for one, would rather see the money spent on teachers raise so we can attract qual ty math teachers, or having REAL math textbooks available to students The school board decided to switch to MVP curriculum to improve critical thinking in math However, they are failing in this goal: you cannot think critically if you do not have the foundat onal skills to do so. MVP does NOT give students those foundational skills. I hate that my son has been a guinea pig in this whole fiasco!! In 6th grade, math was one of my daughter’s favorite topics. Now it is her least favorite and the most frustrating and d fficult for her. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child is not taking math this semester No instruction + self teaching = decline. Now that’s an easy equation to understand there! My child’s performance on assessments improved at Davis Drive but DECLINED at GREEN HOPE Her scores are lower - she has gotten all As ast year and now she s getting a high B with a lot of struggle. Teachers hate MVP too My child has a great math aptitude and has always excelled in math despite this mediocre curriculum. She has not back sl d nor improved with MVP According to my child it was not a factor in his learning, he tota ly attributes his new skills and knowledge gained to the teacher. My children have had more success with math when their teachers taught, not a book that expects you to do it by yourself. I spent time going through the MVP material and homework with my ch ld to make sure the correctness of the concept she learns. I want my chi d’s understanding to improve. It was a better math experience in private school ith real books and she was ahead. The grades are a d rect reflection of this program. Her math grade has NEVER been below an A. EVER. She now has a very low B and is worried she won't understand things enough to mprove this grade! NUMBERS DO NOT LIE PEOPLE!!!!!! 9th grade has been a disappo nting year Yes my son made a B n his Honors Math class but it was only because he worked twice as hard as he eve has in this class to teach himself. As parents I also do not think we should have to pay tutors to teach the curr culum. That's the least of my concern though - I gladly paid the tutor to correct the ssues caused by the MVP math curriculum. For reference, my son made A's in all other Honors classes. Again, he has always made A's in Math and has tested in the top 1%-2% of the state since he's been n the Wake County School system (Elementary & Midd e School) My child should not repeatedly have to do test corrections just to get a decent grade and WHY are PAT’s even allowed??? Partner Assessment Tests can bring down students grades based on their partners answers. This has happened multiple times to my daughter. my daughter was an all "A" student in Math 1& 2 before Math mvp, since then she struggled to get a "c" in Math 3 and Pre-Calc. Her confidence was shot and she and I had to hire an outside school tutor to get her through This should not be the case See comments above This curriculum has definitely affected my child’s math grade. My students are not performing ell on their assessments in Math 3 due to the lack of skills from their previous math classes. Most ot the students are beginning to rise to the challenge of this course, because I am not teaching it with the MVP materia s. I have seen a lot of growth from the time that they have been in my class. This is mainly due to direct instruction and the resources I prov de. The videos I have them watch are made by me and cover the exact problems I am giving them. My student is making straight A's in Math. She has done so for her entire academic career. She did not have MVP before this year (10th grade- Honors Math 2) and so I don't have the ability to say whether the MVP has affected her performance, up to th s point. She did much better with Saxon Math State EOG EOC he is fine. Test grades- we have seen 20s, 30’s and 50s from a kid that understands math and actually studied. So it takes every bit of him to keep going instead of giving up . Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son as actually invited to a scholarship breakfast for having the highest average in the Math 2 Honors class ith an 82 average. I was absolutely shocked that he held the highest grade and it's that low. We are fortunate to have the means to help him, but many others are not that fortunate. The impact this is having on college admissions for our students in NC s a complete tragedy. PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!!! Again, my child has al ays been an excellent student, never fail ng or struggling until this year It's absolutely horrible to watch your child struggle and feel it's something they are doing wrong Before high school my student tested highly on standardized test and her grades have contined to refect similar results. If there were a bullet for "My child's performance on math assessments has remained about the same regardless of the MVP..." I'd check that one. Of course it declined. She hasnt been taught math and has no mastery of the fundamentals. I was frequently to d that what was on assessments was not what was taught in class. It is my understanding that "teaching" the concepts was the springboard to having the kids then "take the next step" on the assessments. for the third time in a row this is an unfair question. My students performance has remained about the same because of access to an outside, independent tutor. Even with this resource, my child has not performed as well as she has in the past. My child used to make As and 5's on math assessments MVP math has dumbed my child down As mentioned above, her overall grade has not changed since MVP has been mplemented but that is largely to my child being an overach ever and seeking knowledge elsewhere that she could demonstrate on math assessments. Too much emphasis on standardized tests and too little emphasis on LEARNING. NO Explanation of how to do problems... This whole program and the deception perpetrated by WCPSS regarding MVP math is so concerning and disappointing. Our children are being used as Guinea pigs. I have no idea. We stil have not received EOG scores taken in January 2019. My children didn't personal use, my student however without supplementing, their assessments decline Only because we have utilized a tutor. can not emphasize this enough. A tutor is what has been the saving grace of our son's math experiences. My Math 1 student is doing much better in math than in previous years, but not sure if this is because of MVP or a new teacher. As noted above. Although we have not had huge swings (i e. A to F) I would say overall my child/children have to put a lot more effort into this curriculum and have had lower scores than is typical for my child/chi dren. Unified tests s 3 steps backward My kid got a test with a topic he was not teach before and after the test he got the class so he got a a lower score than his average My child had straight As in math in sixth and seventh grade. He barely has a B now. ANY assessments he has done well on have been the di ect result of us paying a math teacher $ 5/hour to teach what my son should be able to learn in a 90 min per day course. He does not benefit from the in-school tutoring due to his distractibi ity in the unstructured setting He does benefit from online videos, but that makes it difficu t to ask clarifying questions. So we pay a teacher to teach him after school what a teacher should be teaching him in school. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Performance has SIGNIFICANTLY DECU NED. My student has a 43 average Q1 in Math 3 Honors. Not once has the teacher reached out or done anything to help develop a plan to correct the course. And I'm now paying $60 per tutor session to help have the concepts which is what shodd be happening in the classroom. Sadly mny families can?t afford tutors nor should they. There is no reason the students should even go to class as nothing is being taught. Students are expected to self-teach concepts, then do the homework, only after is the homework reviewed in class. So if a student has incorrectly self?taught and done all the homework incorrectly, that time has been corrpletely wasted which also inpacts perfomiance in other classes due to limited time for those classes' homework. Then the student has to re- learn while the teacher whips through the answers for the homework the next day. i actually only have the classroom grades; i have yet to receive his end of grade scores from last year. My child regularly gets lower grades for not showing the work required to get the answer, even if the answer is correct, he is constantly getting points deducted for not showing all of the work, which is ridicdous. You cannot do well on math assessments when you are not teaching the kids actual math. She did worse the second time she took NC Math 2 with MVP then when she did the only with proctor in middle school. My child went from an A to barely a in Math, a decline each year. My child previously scored in the 95th percentile on eog/eoc tests in math but now barely gets a 3 score. The change directly correlates with the start of the MVP 'curriculum'. He way better grades before the workbooks. My child scores really well on the NC State Math test however, the teachers' classroom tests seem to be quite challenging. My child has been an student only now to feel Math daughter was willing to ride to the challenges of math until this curriculum was implemented her 8th grade year. WeVe never had to initiate a teacher conference before this curriculum. In 8th grade?we had to have mdtiple conferences with the principal and teacher. This did not restlt in an in'proved growth or understanding of math She does well on the homework and class assignments. Her quiz and test grades are horrible. The are not assessing her mastery of concepts taught. They are asking questions about the next?level of the concepts that she has not even been taught. Maybe if my child had a more prepared teacher. This is High School and the teachers should be able to TEACH their abject instead of relying on students to teach themselves or rely on tutors. Math 1 A Math 2 Math 3 61 (currently half way through the course. My child's scores have improved simply because she has one of the best teachers have seen. I don't believe MVP math has anything to do with it, and in fact I might say her scores have irmroved in SPITE of MVP math because of her instructor. Essentially ignoring the 01: 9th grade student typically earns A- and 4 on EOG assessments in math. She is a student with more effort and greater frustration. Her teacher is ecellent and has to supplement the program/process to make it learnable. Again, not the appropriate program to make math applicable to real?world application. The current MVP 'teaching' method does not work for my child. He is not leaming in the classroom His grades have gone from high 90's in math 6+ and math 7+ to failing math 1. He eamed a 37 on the E06. Former A student now earned labeled "not college ready". Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Of course math assessments have declined. Except for the fluffing of grades that have happened at our schoo , the students are not learning math !! Does the state of North Carolina provide a free math curriculum? Math scores have gone down n Wake county. Students don't understand how to do the math. We missed the MVP by one year. THANK GOD!! But, as a WCPSS parent and a concerned c tizen, I have f lled out this form. MVP SUCKS My child always received 5 s on Math EOG testing. Last year in MVP Math 1, he received a 4 with a low percentage score wh ch I think means he got about a 72% understanding. He now hates Math. He no longer wants to be a Math teacher as a career goal. We saw a therapist to get to the bottom of why his attitude towards math completely changed in Math 1; we thought he was doing drugs in midd e school since we saw such a change in his performance, demeanor and attitude. The therapist he ped us understand it was something with the curriculum that he did not understand and he was both unwilling and unable to articulate his needs. The new techniques do not allow for hands on practice, and when tested on the concepts, most students fail to grasp the simplest functions, therefore this method is poor in pedagogical terms again, she failed last year and had to retake the class this semester Its disheartening There has been a drastic drop in my child's performance under MVP. Performance was all over the place. One quiz would be a decent grade, the next would be a fail. The tests and quiz results throughout the semester were very poor, yet my students performance on the f nal exam was extremely high. To mean, this indicates that there is a huge disconnect between the curriculum being taught by WCPSS and the state-based standards. Since the teachers do not teach in a traditional front-of-the-class manner the children, the ch ldren use what they figured out on the r own and apply it to a test. Last year and thus far this year, assessments have been an utter disaster. Metr cs don't lie. This program is an abject failure. Again, pick a standard and use it. Just teach math. No need for the extra junk in there Math is math. Child used to be an A grade student, now in MVP, child has declined to as sub C grade leve which has destroyed their GPA Again, I’m ta king about new concepts that aren’t adequately taught. Material taught at his private school has been mastered and he is very confident in those areas. But his confidence does not come from this MVP curriculum. If my child was only relying on MVP Math, their results ould have declined. My child's performance has only stayed the same because they are putting in extra work outside of school to learn Math not using MVP. Definitely, 100% has impacted my kids in a negat ve way. I feel like it s The Emperor’s New Clothes. No one at the district wants to admit they made a huge expensive mistake but the kids are begging them to listen to them. Dropped from an A student to low B /C student. MVP math is a disaster It's just like the Mus c Man comedic musical with the con man who pretends to be a music teacher but tells the kids to figu e it out themselves. But it's not comedic because it's all too real for our despondent/struggling kids. Math needs to be taught more methodically. https://qz.com/901125/a-mathematician-has-created-a-method-of-teaching-that-is-proving-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-bad-math-student/ https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04 18/a-better-way-to-teach-math/ W th MVP, we’ve had to engage help from a tutor which wasn’t needed with the previous curr culum. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: From A and B to C and will be worse if were not by sup emental work like home work Pre-Sat and SAT math scores have remain exactly the same from 10th to 11th grade. She expected better. My son's math grades on last semester were the worse that they have been in his entire academic journey. Please hold public sessions and come listen to those answers live if you believe you’d hear one posit ve response ... who are we kidding ????? See last comment My child's performance n math has declined s gnificantly since the introduction of MVP math. Their math grade average has dropped by 2 letter grades (about 20 points) even with ncreased support at home. Very imited communication and very l ttle lof value. SEVERELY DECLINED!!!!!!teachers like Nancy Lassiter can t actually teach t and then blame students for the teacher lack of ability. My child deve oped extreme anxiety and had to me medicated and go to counseling as result of MVP math. It is clear that Wake County did not have the best interests of students in mind when they purchased an experimental math program for a type of math that has failed Further, it rises to psychological abuse of children to suddenly tel students they are using a new method in math 2 and 3. Wake county needs to seriously evaluate the use of any common core math teaching and whethe they are causing long term educational deficits for students My daughter would have failed math last year if it wasn't for my husband teaching her the material We basically had to work around this inept math curriculum to make sure she was successful My son s still doing well, but is not exceeding at quite the evel he was before Thanks to this ridiculous MVP math, my child’s overall GPA has been affected negatively. I curse MVP math all day and night My k d consistently gets 30s and 40s on ALL assessments. This survey stinks - what am I comparing th s to???? My child went from an A/B student to fai ing quizzes and tests under MVP. He has always been a strong math student and has continued to be in the MVP curriculum I’ve stated this several times, my child’s math performance has declined dramatically. Of course, are the scores curved? We were never told. Someone who used to be an All-A student strugg es to keep up even getting a B. See my above comment. read the paragraph above. Only C, the rest As To be honest, my child has been taught math formulas and concepts outside of schoo . Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This question assumes that there is a correlation between current math assessments and how my child is being taught. It does not cons der that we spent MOST OF LAST YEAR struggling to learn it on our own. So yes, he stayed about the same with regard to assessments. But you cannot correlate that to what he learned in the classroom. There are other factors effecting his grade. nnate intelligence, an older sister who tutored him through Math 1, and friends who talked routinely to try to understand. It also doesn t represent nor capture the anxiety in our house around math for the very first time I'm quite good at math but it is challenging for me to help him when I can't even f nd instructions on methodology that is approved He has gone from straight A’s to getting C’s on assessments. As stated earlier, my sons progress on math assessments has decl ned. We have hired a tutor to meet and/or exceed expectations. When MVP has been used without modifications, my daughter's test scores have been lower. See above comments this is hard - one of my children never had the other curriculum - for the student that had both - his had decreased but he also skipped two years practically in math and thus - t should be hard - Remained about the same but we have had to hire a math tutor, who gives them the instruction they are lacking I know nothing about t This is helping teachers who cant teach and forcing parents to srruggle with kids. Declined dramatically!! It seems to me my child has to spend time teaching herself s nce that is what the teacher expects. There s little to no c assroom teaching this year. My child's assessment grades have held steady, however, the work that she puts in each night on math assignments regularly infringes on the amount of time that she can work on other subjects. This has added to her frustrat on because she tru y wants to do her best work. I have advised her on more than one occasion to choose math over another subject because I am afraid she will fall behind g ven the pace and amount of material being covered. The effort required to keep my child's math assessment is tremendous requiring significant time from him and also the support of external tutoring. This is putting both emotional and f nancial burden on our famil Once an A/B math student ho loved math, no struggles to maintain B/C with tutor assistance. My child has been in MVP since 6th grade. He has no foundational knowledge of math like my other kids do and used to say math as his favorite subject. His, along with his class', performance has dec ined, which is obvious when you look at how many students are fai ing, how many students retake tests, and how the teachers are desperately trying to br ng grades up with take-home exams and open-note quizzes. This is embarrassing for WCPSS. Since the implementation of MVP Math Curriculum my student performance has been a struggled unnecessar ly. Let the teachers TEACH I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. No such assessments have been vis ble to me I have never seen so many fail ng grades. My son always was an A math student until Math 1 when he became an A-B math student. Then he entered Math 2 in High School, and he barely eeked out a C. This was only because he has 2 teachers for parents, an uncle who teaches math out of state and answered quest ons at 10:00 pm when he was desperate and crying, and we paid for a tutor! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Can't improve on an A! This is due to supplemental material not MVP. My children went from making high Bs and As throughout the entire academic experience (from K to 8th grade) and until e started sending them to pr vate expensive) tutoring, they were making Ds and Fs. They were bring ng home test grades of 35 and 47 and 56 Consistently fai ing. And, the biggest concern here is they then started to really d slike math altogether It is disenfranch sing for young people to consistently fail like this And, this was not just happening with my girls. It was happening systemically. Doesn't that make you think there is a systemic issue occurring when the resu ts are systemically poor? This is because the program as NOT ready to be implemented. The materials are confusing and inadequate and the teachers not skilled-up. What a mess. As prev ously mentioned, my son’s grades have gone down from an A to a C Not as good this year for Math 3. He is defin tely doing orse as the curriculum seems poor y designed for anyone except those who already excel at math. Lowest grades she has ever had, elementary, middle and high. Using averages and inflating sco es to the public does not show the true understanding of math concepts Is the program, teaching methods, district support the problem....I dont know. When one has done well, and now isn't doing well what would that lead a child to think of themse ves? If must be something they are doing or not doing. Especially if it's student lead ...reinforcing the thought that they themselves are the problem not the curriculum. It has remained the same because you all have the same problems. No curriculum is going to f x the backwards way you do things. Math 1 my ch ld’s math grades lo ered and got increasingly worse. We haven’t received any grades for MVP final exams. Don’t know? My child has never received a B in math unt l she started MVP. My child’s perfo mance has sustained ONLY we have spent months with a tutor l, who has had to reteach math to our student Limited instruction techniques for teachers. Previous knowledge is too highly expected My son has always excelled at math and this has not changed since starting Math 1 His grades have never been worse! He has always excelled and now, despite trying his hardest, he does not understand what he is doing wrong or how he can go better. Luckily his teacher provides test corrections but she shouldn’t have to f the concepts were taught for on the first place! And not a single test or qu z has come home do I cannot see what he got wrong. My child had never made a really lo grade on a math test until she was in Math 2 using the MVP program. We hired a tutor to help her learn how to do the problems because she wasn't being taught how to do it in c ass. A student to F student My k ds don’t struggle with math however I am worried about the national and global standards and if my children are receiving top level education in this state and county. For example Orange County math Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child is doing okay, but not thriving. Norma ly a solid A has turned bare y into a B. Not much has changed again because my student is an excel ent student Her confident has drastical y declined. Failure to pass tests Assessments were dreaded because my son didnt understand the material and it was weighted so heavily It didnt really matter if he did the homework as it didnt really impact his grade. Again, the teacher didnt teach the material so taking a test on information thats poorly explained in the book ets just caused anxiety. Thankfully I was able to learn the math and then teach h m when it came time for finals. Grrrrr... did anyone think about college acceptance or GPA’s? My child has chosen to not use the MVP curriculum and instead learn it via notes and worksheets. Because of this, her grades have been increasing. However, whi e using the MVP textbook, her intelligence was already enough to get by even with that frustration. My child’s performance on math assessments has dropped significantly Performance has suffered for several reasons inc uding MVP program and school/district policies regarding common assessments and grading. Just want success moving forward She has continued to do well. Not sure about standardized test scores. They either improved or stayed level. My daughters math grade went from 96 to 89 this doesn’t set kids up to succeed. My son feels that he is never adequately prepared for the assessments. Grades have declined since the start of MVP She struggles to pass assessments even with a tutor who teaches the curricu um and says she definitely has a strong grasp on the concepts My child performed well (compared to her peers) on math assessments, BECAUSE we were fortunate enough to hire tutors. He's bottomed out. My child has failed every single test in quarter 1 All prev ous comments apply I have no idea what the MVP math curriculum is. My ch ld seems not to be provided with any resources to help her outside of the classroom. She only receives scanned copies of answer sheets, which she uses to randomly guess at ho to do the assigned work. I didn't get the result of a Math 2 evalu...but my child made a 89 B average...which was super frustrated and mostly associated w/ poor group grades. I have been supplementing my child's knowledge of Math other than MVP, which is necessary in my opinion for his future pursuit of professiona studies. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: What Math assessments are you talking about? It has been a refresher. My child has done outside studying to maintain performance Went from an A all through school to an F with MVP. My son s A student in Math 1 was getting Ds/Cs in tests This is our first exposure to MVP My son s so frustrated with math. His frustration started with the common core and then this was introduced which has become even more frustrat ng. He has developed a "don't care attitude". As a parent, I am very disappointed in Wake County for using our kids as gu nea pigs, not once but twice. We went from high b's to 20's and 30's on assessments. We are not the only ones. How is this effective for our county? Why didn't teachers get to vet the math curriculum, why rely on people that have no idea if the curriculum aligns with the NC Math standards? Who is going to fix this and when? Why are my kids going to suffer until they change it again in a few years? Have you not ooked at the data from the other states that implemented MVP? It isn't good. Who thinks it's a good idea to bully the parents who are trying to advocate for their children by suing the parents for shar ng data? My child has always done well in math His grades have dropped by letter grades Confidence has dropped and I see a disinterest in school that I have not seen before. He asks frequently for me to homeschool him. We have had to reduce extra curricu ar activities to make room for math tutoring. I have 9th and 10th graders, both in math 2. My older child consistently scores the full points on math discussions participation yet barely scrapes out a C on assessments. This really concerns me! If the program s as sound as has been touted by WCPSS and MVP, the scores should be more in sync. We have worked VERY hard at home to support our son through math 1; therefore, he still did fairly well on the assessments. I would not agree that it was MVP that got him there, but rather the work at home and the tutor e had to hire. Please know my child had an excellent teacher for MVP math. The problem was clearly the curriculum, not the instructor. She went from making h gh A’s with very little work outside of class, to working A LOT out of class just to keep a low A. The decline in both of my teens' math scores says it all We do supplemental math work at home Many of my f iends have hi ed weekly tutors She has always struggled more with quizzes and tests than with homework grades but I th nk they are a little lower this year. However, the teacher grades homework based on if it is done, not if it is right so she may be struggling with al of the work more than I can tell from grades alone. I did not rece ve my daughter's assessment score from last year. This has been a frustrating year so far for my daughter We have had to hire a tutor - $25 for 50 minutes that she meets with weekly for assistance. And she is still getting a ower grade than normal. She is in 9th grade and knows the importance of starting out w th a good GPA and is stressed with the math class bringing it down. Don’t know about this map math. My child is taking HS math 1. My son has continually tested well on EOG’s The change in curriculum from grade 6 to grade 7 math has been difficult ( I am thankful my daughter’s strength is math bc she is able to google and teach herself. The teacher is useless. She continues to make A’s. Wcpss curves grades and inflates homework values to cover low test performance. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Declined significantly MVP is horrible. My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds. He was an Honor student for years. Worst program ever He is learning NOTHING We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! His EOC preformance dropped s gnificantly but his grades in class were still straight A’s. as stated before, my child does not struggle in school and has maintained her A average in Math 1, and courses Math homework, quiz and test grades have significantly suffered We have had to work on our own to perform extra credit and to request retakes on tests to get grades back in line. My child's assessments have improved, however, it is not because of the MVP math. It's because she has a great teacher that is w lling to teach them how to do the requ red math. Those that do not have this have had a terrible experience ith MVP and have been failing. My child is good at math. But his confidence in it has declined since the MVP implementation. My last daughter who graduated last year would have been absolutely devastated by it. Her brain works differently and having the examples to refer to that are available n textbooks is essential to her learn ng. I tutor kids (for free) ho are struggling and see that there anew not enough examples and instruction in the workbooks and kids flounder at home w thout it Some kids need that too at home to digest the material and succeed This MVP cu riculum is so deficient and inadequate fo the needs of many students. Can't even help my child. Can't go over a test to help him better understand. Don't receive tests back. Can't even help him study Her assessment levels have not changed because I have bent over backwards to ensure that she understands the materials fully before quizzes and tests (using traditional teaching methods). I have spent countless hours writing my own quiz and test reviews, and finding whatever old MVP tests quizzes I could kinda find online in a variety of places to see how they asked questions and write my own examples in simi ar formats I can GUARANTEE that if I asn't so incredibly involved then her assessments would have plummeted, especially during the first year of implementation when her teacher used nothing outside of MVP. Her Math 2 year the teacher used many non-MVP resources too so those helped a lot. My child no longer likes math We had to hire a tutor for Math 1 and he still got a C, which is unlike him My AIG math student went from confident to failing This survey should only be offered to students currently enrolled in this MVP curriculum. Stop MVP! This curriculum is not helping my child In class assessment scores have been very good. State testing ent down (belo 90th percentile for first time ever on any EOG since third grade). The MVP curriculum has been detrimental to my child's self esteem due to the fact she isn't learning concepts before being assessed. Barely passing math- used to be an A math student. Explained above Wcpss scales the grades to fool parents who don’t track Most are failing The ones who do well on EOC’s had traditional math until now. This is only a ref ection of poor test taking skills by my chi d. No curriculum has helped her with that. The system is failing her in that department. He has the same grades he had before the MVP math. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Grades have fallen from A/B through Math 1 in middle schoo to D/F under the MVP curr culum in Math 2 and 3. MVP is a total and complete failure. their frustration level has also increased and amount of time spent studying has increased and teachers aren’t getting to cover the info for the tests and quizzes adequately due to all the time spent letting the students try to figure it out first themselves. There had to be a better ba ance or we will be loosing more students from pursuing STEM careers. My child’s math grades went from A, Bs to C, Ds My child was a A+ student throughout midd e school. Now she has an F. Thanks mvp!! Th s Broughther grades down on her transcripts And was declined for a summer camp opportunity because of it. This s an unacceptable program and should be eliminated immediately. The new A B schedule is also a factor. My child performs better on the same topics every day as opposed to a ternating My child has always been good in math My children can learn to do what is taught and succeed in the way of grade but it’s not teaching them the skills they need to solve real problems. The scores have declined, but with the massive curves it looks l ke she's performing ok. The tests are not aligned confidence in the scores that are ultimately reported. ith the un t " essons." We have ZERO My child has consistently failed math since enrolling in the MVP curriculum He spent last summer in summer school trying to master the topics he could not master during the regular year. Furthermore, I have a ways ensured that he was enrolled in the Foundations classes, so that he could obtain remediation of the prior math course prior to taking the required course and this too has not been beneficia for him. For a child who thought he was finally making progress and "winning" in math, MVP has caused his grade to dramatically decline and his desire to do math to dim nish. For a kid who once wanted to go to a 4-year university, he has resolved that with his poor math grades, he may have to attend a technical col ege prior to being able to attend a 4-year university. This curriculum not only fails at prov ding a basic math education to our chi dren, but also is causing emotional and physica anxieties about math. My child has gone from a strong a student to a C student ith math tutoring I don t know when MVP truly started If it was this year, which I believe it was we have not had a major assessment yet My son does fine on his regular tests though, and scores about the same as he always did. My daughter never failed anything prior to MVP and rece ved a 31 on her first MVP math quiz at the high school for Math 2 honors. With tutoring she was able to bring up her final grade to a B. We will have to cont nue to pay for private tutoring to fil the math gaps in time for the ACT/SAT. This curriculum puts too many different math concepts together instead of focusing on 1 specif c concept and providing ample practice for true learning. Scores have drastical y declined. My son wasn t getting "A's" consistently, but grades have dropped substantially enough that he was earning B's and high'C's - to D's and F's. As I said above, I feel for these kids. My students grades have dec ined in math causing anxiety over the college application process, the SAT ACT exams, and her overall math knowledge. It would be nice to have gotten scores from the End of Course test in math this year then I could give an answer My overall feeling is that my child s performance declined. Their grades have gone from high A’s to B’s and 1 semester a C. That is even after I paid close to $500 for tutoring, and spent countless hours on Khan Academy. Only because we (parents) il not allo our kids to fail with MVP math. We help them study, get outside tutoring. Their performance is because of OUTSIDE school help. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Simply put, she went from being an A/B student to a C/D student. I am not going to lay all of that at the feet of the MVP curriculum, but I will say that the frustration she felt in those classes (Math 1 and Math 2) bled into ho she approached her other classes Learning is hard and stressful enough. The MVP curriculum overburdens students. They are so burned out just trying to figure out one class that they have nothing left to give their other classes. Students learn. Teachers teach. If that changes to "students teach" and "teachers facilitate," then students are doing ALL the work and teachers are basically glor fied baby sitters I have a hard time believing that any teacher that spent years preparing for their profession wanted to end up as a "facilitator " How can a ch ld's performance improve if they aren't even learning and practicing what they are being assessed on? As before and As now. I teach her what the curriculum fails to teach so she does fine. What math assessments? Besides tests in the class I am not sure what you are asking? Were there supposed to be assessments to see if she grasped the concepts taught? Grades are lo er. But he could do more studying. Would love a ay for him to be motivated by teacher to do more studying, to do more work. My child excels on all the tests, and do not believe this survey was meant for them. My child’s math assessment improved but I’m not sure t’s b/c of the program or the teacher going above and beyond Our son is fail ng his math 3 honors despite doing well on homework and quizzes Fails EVERY SINGLE TEST. I have helped my child with the material. This is only because I pay for an out of school system tutor SHE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO PASS A MATH ASSESSMENT!! She regular y receives a 100% on book checks. Big deal they are only checking to see if it was done, NOT if it was done correctly. My child's performance on math assessments has been abysmal. My child continues to perform despite MVP math. We have a strong support system at home and through paid tutoring. Quizzes that are graded in a g oup setting do not demonstrate any individual s level of mastery Compound that with quizzes and tests cannot be brought home for review. Parents are required to come to the school to look at quizzes and tests which puts many students and fami ies at a disadvantage. Higher SES schoo s may not at this point have shown as intense a decline as parents are able to pay for tutors. Aga n, the students who have real world struggles are the ones who suffer most. This is her first year, so I don’t know yet. I will say that OUR math7+ was a disaster that we spent the summer correcting. Her grades have gone down. She just took a math test last week and scored a 40!!! This from a child who has always made A's. They move so fast on each topic when it comes to the end of year performance evals/EOC my child bombed the EOC but yet got an overall B (almost A) in the class? You do the math on that one, yes pun intended. I am not a parent that is overly concerned with the EOG’s, standardize testing, o math assessments I look at thei scores when they come home and encourage them to try their best but I do nothing more than that. So honestly can t tell you if they have 3’s, 4’s or 5’s. I am NOT a fan of standardized testing/assessments as no two students are alike or standard and the testing is not a true sign of their knowledge. With that being said. I am a well educated degreed parent as is my husband and both of our chi dren are exce lent students with amazing grades however, with MVP there was def a struggle! Lukily this year it seems that maybe the teachers can actually “teach” a bit more so we will see how that works out for grades! Please get rid of MVP Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Look at the statistics and not all of the data is accurate. How will a decline math grade help my college bound student especially when MVP curriculum hasn’t been adequately taught or effective? My son ho went from mvp to non mvp isnt happy. It was MVP. My child is currently failing Math because of the lack of instruct on My child is AIG, has always tested in the 99% in EOGs/EOCs Last year her EOC was 89%. After one year w th MVP. I'd say losing that much ground in one year is ONLY because of MVP. It’s failing my child While my child has been successful in maintaining acceptable grades in MVP math, those grades do NOT tell the story. My student (AND PARENTS) spends much more time on math homework and study. There isn't the depth of knowledge about concepts - just working to get through assignments. Student would benefit from examples and repetition. These kids will not be ready for college math/science. I can't comment because I don't know what MVP is or how it affected my child. He came from p ivate school so I am not sure Whole class making 30’s and 40’s is a problem. No one knows what the heck is going on. No one. My student went from loving math in 7th grade to having panic attacks in 8th grade Math 1. My child got a 95 on her final exam not made by her teacher, but on teacher made exams scored poorly in the 30s and 40s. very much has dec ined, what used to be a's is now barely scraping the bottom of d's and usually f's. My child’s scores went up but this is due to outside tutoring and extra help from Mom who is a math teacher and teachers who ignore and supplement the program. If my child had to learn just using the program the results on their test scores would have been terrible. Not sure on this. Actually my son is in Math 2 H as a freshman and this is the first year since 5th grade that I think the grading in math class seems to make sense We have had several teache s in middle school who scored all questions all right or all wrong (no partial credit) so it was a VERY defeating process for my son. He entered Math 1 in 8th grade thinking he was a terrible at math. I am pleased to have a teacher in Math 2 who not only gives partial credit when the answer is most y correct, but also provides an opportunity to allow students to re-take exams and earn back part of the points they missed. I don't think the teachers in middle school realized it, but they sent a very strong message that created a VERY negative feeling about math in my kid. I think this is NOT the time to make a child hate math and feel they are not capable. Unfortunately I think this was laziness in grading and I would like to see more consistent standards about math grading on exams homework so that t is not so teacher dependent. Developing kids should be the goal, not defeat ng them. My child’s assessments remain pretty steady but his class work is an extreme struggle, and he has to meet with his teacher in his free time all week. Extreme decl ne is grades From A to failing !!!!!!!! Sucks since she is heading towards college! My h gh honors student is struggling to get a B in Math 3 honors and it’s jeopardizing his 4.25 grade point average. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Definitely saw lower grades than her normal on al quizzes and assessments. Homework was good grades but wait it’s only counted for completion not accuracy. Not good. He is making better grades, but he said it is because it s eas er. Went from wanting to be a doctor to not anting to do anything with math Making an passing grade sadly became a victor for my kids who were former A students The students are not prepared for an assessments and definite y not prepared for EOCs, the SAT or ACT They generally have a curve for assessments - why would th s be necessary if they were being taught??? We are too early on in the school year to answer this question. My son took Math 1 in 8th grade but struggled to make a C so he was recommended to retake Math 1 (first year for MVP). I thought retaking the course and seeing familiar material would help his conf dence and improve his understanding. I now know that was a huge mistake. He barely made a C in Math 1 and a D in Math 2. I have lowered my expectations from him putting in effort and making a least a B to just getting a passing grade. I feel like the testing scores have been manipulated. Everything under this program has declined My student will say she knows the material (thanks to the private tutor), then take the test and do poorly. Even with tutor basic needs to be taught in class My k ds have a desire to study science. Without a solid math background, that future might not happen. We are starting to see the lack of math bleed into science. MVP direct y affects my chi dren's path to college and a career. This is painful to watch. One of my daughters s fine after an in tial d p in grades. Now teaches herself non-MVP outside school so passes tests. Tries to help others too. Other daughter doesn't like math anymore. Used to excel at it because it made sense. Grades still rollercoastering in math. Again I hate this program. My child is the one paying the price. We were a high B and no we are doing good to pass. MVP is similar to the approach that was done in Math 7+ last year so I do not feel that there's as much of a transition for my child Hard to say since I'm teach ng him at home more than he's learning at school. She has a remarkable teacher this year. There are some very law grades that show a complete ack of understanding. My child is intelligent and hard working. Please do away ith this awful MVP curriculum. I am feeling sorry for my child since he is spending more t me on math. Not only t affected is math grade but also other classes since he is spending more time on math Not only has my ch ld’s performance declined but it continues to decline each year. But my child consistently figures th ngs out on his own, ignoring the methods "taught" in school because it makes no sense Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Lots of grade curves and mastery. My son was basically given a B! I like my kids to have fair instruction and like them to earn their grades. Again, in high school where grades and knowledge matter, and Tutors are the only viable solution, to uphold your grades, I have to wonder why this program is utilized. It doesn’t seem to be serving the students wel . I’d like to know where in the county that this program as piloted and what true results after the pilot period revealed...for those not utilizing tutors. My son has always gotten 5's on his math assessments After taking MVP Math1, he only got a assessment will be a 1. So I'm wonde ing after another year of MVP if his next A more accurate answer: my daughter’s math grades are the same or better than they were before MVP. However, she did s ightly worse on the EOGs last year than she had done prev ously She stil got a 5, but her raw score went down slight y. She receives no instruction or feedback. She used to want to be an engineer, but she is now so worr ed/stressed about math, that she is being driven away from a math heavy degree/curriculum. Classroom grade declined but EOC score was comparable to prior EOG scores. can't ascertain the efficacy because she's a ways participated n MVP curriculum. My child has positive outcomes with teache s who actuall care and negative w th the teache s who don’t care about their students success I am not a teacher but I do my best to help my child. I can't imagine how worse it would be for her if I weren't helping. We moved to Wake County in 2018. Nothing to compare to past performance. N/a She is struggling with this program where she was a good student in an advanced math class n her previous school. The concepts being covered overlap her previous coursework but the program is just not good. Shocking at the decline My child went from an A student to requiring tutoring to keep up with the work and concepts My son now hates math. Very smart A student struggled in c ass even with very expensive tutor that we did not have the money for. She went from a 4/A student to barely getting a C My son has always en oyed math and did well. No he needs a tutor just to maintain a B, and even that is a struggle. My son has always tested very high in math, aside from one terrible middle school teacher he has not struggled with his performance on assessments or his school work. Q10 - I have received updates, resources or other communication from my child's teacher about the MVP math curriculum. Yes No 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 2200 2400 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 I have received updates, resources or other communication from my child's teacher about the MVP math curriculum. 1.00 2.00 1.81 0.39 0.15 2,729 # Field Choice Count 1 Yes 18.91% 516 2 No 81.09% 2213 2729 Showing rows 1 - 3 of 3 Q20 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: He shared information at open house night at school I do not recall any communications about the curriculum, only my daughter's grades. I cannot say with certainty that there were none, just none that I recal . None! Some of the math teachers seem to struggle explain ng what MVP is. They need better training. How many years has WCPSS committed to using the MVP curricu um? If you don't have a contract with MVP get rid of it! Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. I disagree ith paying a 3rd party for this service. I hear nothing from any teacher at Broughton, ncluding math. The teacher is frustrated by the format as well and sympath zes with us! We have asked her to teach half a class and then allow group work for the second half. No math this year until next semester so would have to udge th s on last year's math-8th grade, Math 1. Teacher totally unsupportive. Kid doing math homework for HOURS every single day. He did do better on "tutor days" where we took him w th his homework. I have nothing good to say about h s 8th grade math experience At the time of orientation day. Just the standard mass communication stuff - I don t pay a lot of attention to it, quite honestly. I have 4 kids in WCPSS in 3 different schools, and its information overload with all the week y calls, e-mails, SeeSaw, etc. Not this year Got the introductory mater al Not sure Updates on something that was never provided to me? Are you kidding? None Never We did not receive any information about the MVP program. We did not rece ve any updated information even after the controversy over the program was all over the Ne s We did not receive any informat on at our parent conference with her teacher either. We were shown her grades and told where she needed more focus. The teachers availability was before school at 7 AM - which was not an opt on for us as I have 2 kids at different schools. The other option was a particular day after school in which my daughter was committed to an AP World History Review Session. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have reached out to my daughters teacher for add tiona resources and was only directed to the awful non helpful ebsite. MVP math is awful Nothing Only ntroduced during the open house I have received communication from his teacher but not about the curriculum. Her communication is more so about the learning process and progress of my child in the topics that she is teaching, which my husband and I apprec ate We receive weekly emails from the teacher Jacob Cole at WLMS). Actual content from Oct 4 2019: "MATH 1: We w ll continue our study of features of functions focusing on connecting to our previous knowledge of function notation and using different representations to interpret the different key features. Students should review this Quizlet vocab set to reinforce vocabulary. We will take a quiz on Lessons 3.4-3.7 on Friday, October 11. As always, students are encouraged to ask questions on Remind at night or in homeroom during the morning. Tutoring this week will be after school on Thursday until 3:30! Come if you wou d like some extra quiz prep!" Only the parent help link on the school website Though I don't think this statement will help I am going to make it anyway. Teachers need to be retrained to think about the problem vs. just giving the student a basket of unrelated tools In fact, the tools are all related, but either (a) the teacher doesn't realize it, (b) the MVP curriculum doesn't emphasize it or (c) all of the above. It is unfortunate, and why my colleagues from other countries are so dissatisfied/bewildered with the entire US mathematics approach. Have not taken math yet ...but only because my wife has actively questioned the school administrat on and teachers about it I have not received any proactive communication from the teachers or school. One in Math3 so haven’t received anything in 3 years and no one in Math1. NOTHING from teachers at all!!! My child's teacher has not updated me personal, but my child does come home and update me on what is happening within program and class. Also, recently we have received an app called Talking Points, to communicate with the teacher about my child s grade and improvements Not 100% sure. This may be more on me as parent not thoroughly reading everything they bring home. I take the time to be an informed parent and ask the teacher (and principal) about MVP. The teacher says she s too busy with her second ob to address student questions on homework. She cries and complains when the kids request help So, without teacher assistance and ithout an actual textbook, guess I get to teach my son math. The teacher did tell us about resources on her website. Maybe a weekly email with tips or links to educat onal videos would help. I know the teachers are required to use th s curriculum so I don’t really b ame them, but it is simply not orking. Please listen to the parents and students about this! Got the meet the teacher links. “More resources follow this link”. IMO This simply is not helpful. He cannot teach himself math. It’s absurd. Throw al the links and resources you want at the teachers to hand out to kids and parents; it will never ever take the place of a teacher being free to teach math I feel sorry for the teachers. They are in a terrible pos tion. Period. My child’s teacher at Green hope prov des very little information but the Math department at GHHS does make the effort to update parents No. Again never hear of it. Nor have they communicated that he is failing, as this is a huge concern. Not sure Please add any additional comments on the above topic: None of it has been helpful. It doesn’t replace adequate teaching or enough practice problems . I had to ask her teacher if there were using the MVP program this year - we did not receive any information about it before my e-mail. I would ove to receive communicat ons about this curricu um. Teachers are not at fault. Teachers are being pushed to teach this way. Some Math Teachers stick to the MVP guidelines and students struggle the worst Other teachers (sometimes at d fferent high schools) are less strict in following the guidelines because they understand the kids are st uggling They revert back to sharing more information with the kids so they can earn the math skill. This is a really important point - even when the kids ask for help during class hours because of their struggles, they are told to go back to their desk and work with the fellow students at their table. The goal as to he p them learn math on their own but if it's not taught to begin with then it's difficult to think the kids can a l figure it out on their own. It didn't work without someone first teaching with examples, ho ding Q&A, checking with individual children, etc..My son eventually dec ded that the only way to get the answers was to find them himself. He did go by to see the teacher sometimes before school, usually near quiz and test dates but he could not come to the afternoon sessions due to participation on one of the school teams. I have not seen anything We are ne to WCPSS. am still navigating th s new experience. I am thankful that my student is performing so wel , as I have not had to reach out and find resources or meet with teachers However, I fear that, as my student rounds out her academic time in WCPSS (for 11th and 12th grade), that her math skills will be negatively impacted by this horrible MVP program. Only that “they” - teacher- are not allo ed to instruct the students- the students are required to get into groups and “problem solve” together I’m fine with group work, but shouldn’t there be some instruction first? My Daughter dislikes that a lot of instructional time is lost- or not even utilized. I don t receive these on a regular basis, but the teacher did go through resources at the open house. I have reached out and have been given tips on how to help my kid improve. However I don’t think kids in honors math should actually need tutors. The teachers are not to blame for this curriculum, they are doing the best they can with little to no training on how to implement it We need to go back to the curr culum Wake County was using before MVP. We talked with our 7th g ade teacher multiple times but he was not allowed to bring in supplemental materials, so we were forced to pay for a private tutor to he p. No information provided by teachers or the school. I communicated with the teacher via e-mail last year. I as also alerted that my daughter was fa ling. Although my daughter went to special open sessions w th the teacher and had very expensive sessions w th the tutor, we decided that she did not learn enough to advance to Math 2 in h gh school and she is retaking Math 1. Nothing communicated from the school or teacher unti I requested information on curriculum night. I don t think my child’s teacher likes the MVP curriculum. She told my daughters class that the last test was much too hard and didn’t represent what they covered in class so she didn’t even count the grade Let your teachers be teachers and stop forcing them to teach according to these ridiculous and unproven concepts. We've had NOTHING! We have received no commun cation from the teacher this year Had we not gone to the school website, we ould not be aware of additional resources. The teachers are afra d to ta k about MVP math to the parents. I have not received resources from the school. I will most definitely try to f nd DIFFERENT resources to use ith my child for learning the Core Math objectives if she needs help and I have used different resources that I found online earlier this year. not a current WCPSS parent Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not enough I have done my own research. Any information that I were to receive from the school or WCPSS regarding MVP would not be trustworthy. I have received ZERO communication of AN sort from the Math teacher, despite my student currently failing the course. In fact, she has failed EVERY SINGLE ASSESSMENT for the entire quarter. For the last test, the smartest kid n the class received a 76. That is a TEACHING ISSUE. My son was a freshman in high school when it changed, we did not receive notification until his grades went down and his frustration level went up By that time we were way pass being able to get caught back up. The teachers are not allowed to say anything negative about MVP Most think that they can not supplement the curriculum. Then you get a teacher like we have this year that is young and has drinked the MVP koolaid and then you are really screwed. I have only heard about it from my child. Maybe, but if I do they are rote and unhe pful. Would like examples and answers so I can work backwards. I hope you know that children still need teachers and if this curriculum doesn't provide that, then it falls to the parents and we need to be equipped. Most information is given during MEET THE TEACHER at the beginn ng of the year We received nothing from her teacher last year. It was only from attending the face to face (near riot) at Green Hope one evening and meeting with the assistant principal at Green Hope that we gave & received feedback We are lucky that our daughter's teacher taught "MVP lite". This is a very unofficia way to teach where the teachers don't use MVP methodologies and so e curriculum. Th s was against school policy, but many teachers are doing this on their own because they know MVP curriculum is a failure. They see the strugg es in their classrooms but are afraid to speak up so they slightly adjust the r teaching for the students. This helps a little. However, th s is inconsistent and if your child gets a teacher that doesn't use it, they will struggle, make worse grades. The playing field is not level! My so goes to his current Math 3 teacher three times a week during lunch for assistance. He also has a tutor, re-teaches the classroom concepts to me each night and he is barely passing this class This is not a knock against the teacher but if I weren't an active parent and read the news, I wou d not know MVP math was a thing. I sympathize for th s teacher having to instruct through a flawed process. I only learned about MVP when we went to curriculum night at my child's middle school, and likely only because her teacher had really embraced the curriculum and was keen to demonstrate what a typical exercise in their classroom looked like It would have been nice to have received a communication about the change and the overall differences between the two approaches. I think this is what has caused frustration for a lot of parents We a l know majority of the teachers are NOT in favor of this curriclumn and do NOT want to use it. They are being forced or less will lose their job. Some notes Zero communication unt l I noticed something was very wrong. There have been no updates coming home. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The only communication we ever received about the MVP Math curriculum was a form letter from the midd e school (Math 1) about end of course testing. We never received any information from the Math 1 teacher or Math II teacher. Does the state of North Carolina provide a free mathematics curriculum? We missed the MVP by one year. THANK GOD!! But, as a WCPSS parent and a concerned c tizen, I have f lled out this form. The math teacher my daughter has is supposedly the best one I hate to have the other math teachers if this is the best if it was not for the teacher sending Remind notices about homework and links to supplemental documents for Math 2, my husband would have nothing available to help him teach my son what the teacher cannot teach at school. He is not getting the concepts from his peer groups during facilitat on time. She finished her MVP math3 f rst semester last year，so I don't know what the situation for this year. I think this is a matter of a teacher that is terrible at his job. Never received anyth ng from any teacher. Not specific to the program The only time I received any updates about MVP was when I requested a teacher conference because m child's grades were declining I’ve never seen anything on it and only heard about it once from my child (just in passing). Hard to take a survey just based on student thoughts without any other info. Nothing about this at back-to-school night, either. Not useful Yes, during parents night and he offers weekly tutor ng which we appreciate. I contacted my son's teachers on multiple time last year regarding his performance and sought feedback regarding how he could improve. Besides the open ng letter regard ng MVP, I do not reca l receiving regular updates regarding the curriculum. NONE Nada Never Not once You cou d put it on the teachers but from what I see, the county failed to provide the resources and training The fact that my daughter started her freshman year of high school with NO math teacher speaks volumes. Good math teachers kno how to get math concepts across to students. When teachers are not allowed to do this and forced to follow a curriculum that makes no sense, you start losing teachers. This cannot continue. MVP does not make sense in the math c assroom. Never received any communication Shou d never have been rol ed out to students n Math 2 and Math 3 who did not have MVP math 1. Rolling it out the way it was done at Green Hope was extremely detrimental and caused frustration for students and parents. Math Tutors ( adult tutors) could not understand it and said the method made no sense and instructions were vague and made no sense I have heard nothing from my child's teacher. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Nothing at All In fact she never once mentioned MVP math My child’s current teacher has been supplementing MVP with additional resources This has been inva uable, but highlights MVP’s weaknesses. Complete lack of communication from the school Zero communication. The absolute pits Nothing I think the teachers and administrators that rema ned at green hope gave up trying to teach the curriculum I have received some, but not nearly enough, information on resources and tutoring available. I don t recall anything spec fic to the MVP curriculum. Barely. We Usually have to initiate the conversation. We have received nothing from our ch lds teacher. So far my son has only taken Honors Math II in the spring of the 2018-19 school year. Honors Math III is on the slate for this spring. In Honors Math II, we received NOTH NG from his teacher about the MVP curriculum. Absolutely ZERO NADA NOTHING. Emails expressing our concern were met ith one canned response and then nothing after that That's when we hired a math tutor We have heard nothing from our math teacher this year. There first teacher left. They had a sub for a few weeks. The new teacher struggles with the material. Nothing Nada Maybe it was given to h m, but it did not make it out of the backpack and into my hands. Try commun cating major changes 7 different ways, 7 times Nothing useful has been received. NA At our open house this year our Math 3 teacher explained that he would be using MVP with modification this year. not really sure once in awhile - very l ttle and very vague Not a single communication, other than marking correct answers wrong for not doing the work the MVP way. Zero communication from the teachers about how to make MVP more successful I attended the forum at Green Hope and also received updates from the administration. My child's teacher has provided me with ways to access the district provided resources I have also attended the MVP session at my daughter's curriculum night at school. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Yes, but not to an unusual degree. The teacher does a great job us ng MVP to teach the curriculum. I could not be more pleased! None. Ever. The teacher is just as confused and frustrated as anyone else. They have a degree in math education but have to fol ow this new MVP way of teaching. Why jump on the next thing that promises to "keep up with what students need." Math doesn't change. Students need help - you can't just make them "struggle" for 90 minutes every day and expect them to do well The resources are weak and make it seem like its the students' fault when it's not The only update I want to receive is that MVP is no longer ruin ng math for kids. Stop restricting teachers, let them TEACH I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. The teachers have told my son that they are not following the MVP materials closely. We contacted his Math 2 teacher and met with her to discuss our concerns, but she basically said she as doing all she could which was giving group problems and letting them ork. Defending the poor curricu um. Yes, the teachers send me l nks to the website but then the content they execute in class is vastly different and fragmented and not backed up by so id collateral. And...as I noted above, the website is not easy to navigate and it most definitely not teen-intuitive. Don’t hear a word from the math teacher. Just mentions of the website A website that I can choose to visit for more support is not updates from the teacher. I a so believe the teachers have been overwhelmed and struggling. At the parent open house But min mal. Went to an nformational session at our kids school. There was a video that gave lots of information on how the board chose this curriculum and why, but not much on the actual how and whys of the cu riculum My child's teacher this year can barely keep his head above ater with a full class oad and the fact that Canvas apparently doesn't do what he needs it to do. Do you all ever plan to adopt one platform for the kids to turn work in to, or are you going to hire a consultant to find out how messed up that is, too. Not once have I received any supporting documents from the school They are doing the best that they can ith the curriculum forced on them NONE!!!! His teacher has said nothing ...no updates, resources, nothing except posting a link to the county help website and except to say that she likes the program, but I don t know if she was made to say that or if that was her genu ne feelings Very itt e communication from the teachers. In my experience the teachers are under qualified to teach math and just have a “math certification” with no foundations or principals of teaching math. That combined with a horrible curriculum has left students failing and falling behind. WCPSS is failing our k ds and leaving them far behind for college. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Haven’t received anything Only because we asked at curriculum night Nothing I have emailed our teacher and she has pointed us to some things, honestly they are not entirely helpful because the basic instruction is missing. I am not sure if this is teacher spec fic of Curriculum driven Just the one time at the parent curriculum night. My. Holds teacher is trying hard to provide additional resources but the way the curriculum is set up, there is still a lot that is having to be taught at home or with a Tudor. We have never had th s before, as I have very strong AIG math students. Nothing received. Nothing at all There has been ZERO communication I have no idea what the MVP math curriculum is. My ch ld seems not to be provided with any resources to help her outside of the classroom. She only receives scanned copies of answer sheets, which she uses to randomly guess at how to do the assigned work I would ike to rece ve updates and communication from my child’s teacher. I have gotten updates from some teachers and not others so I cannot answer this question. I tried to mark both answers, but now it is just toggling so whichever one is submitted is both correct and incorrect. None. Nothing. I can't even see the tests without asking! They don't go home with him The kids don t get to see their tests (only their grades) without asking to take a peek at what they got wrong. Rece ve nothing My teacher has provided outside resources to fill in the gaps that mvp has left I have only received that m son could be failing or is failing and needs to make sure he studies for the midterm My children's math teacher is beyond fantastic. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MVP Not 1 thing. She was fantastic before and she will be fantast c after this program gets dropped. What you should hope is that she does not leave before then. We are losing Math teachers in droves, that is a fact, check the data. This program is causing math teachers to work over and beyond just to get their kids close to where they need to be. These teachers wi l get burnt out. They should be allowed to speak their minds. There is a shortage of tutors because there are SO MANY kids needing help. This is NOT the teachers fault, this is NOT the students fault that previously was doing ell and suddenly is not. I am satisfied with the amount of information supplied by my children's teachers. Taking math elective this semester, not MVP-based, so th s question is inapplicable. Public school has done an incredibly poor job of Immunization Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I received access to the ebsite for resources after I contacted her looking for help with my daughters failing grades even with a tutor supplementing her study. We have not received updates, but we have heard lots of rumors from the teachers. The current one is that Pre-Cal Hon and the other 4th yr math courses are going to be combined into some sort of MVP Adv Math . . . WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN LEVELS! Please keep traditional PreCalculus Please keep the more challenging 4th yr math courses Our district is full of bright, high performing students Please make challenging them a priority. Why are we racing to the bottom ith MVP and these other experimental reforms? Never. but to be fair, we never received communication about any other subject either The only info have gotten about MVP math is from the local news. Even on meet the teacher night the math teacher said they use MVP but will also supp ement. Then she showed us the computer links where kids can get help. MVP is horrible. My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds. He was an Honor student for years. Worst program ever He is learning NOTHING We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! When I emailed my child's teacher in the beginning of the year, he was unaware of the online resource I only found the resources because I needed to help my child who was struggling in math. I have this year received updates about the curricu um. My daughter's teachers are good about posting mvp news, as well as genera updates, etc. The only updates I have seen are that one parent who expressed concerns and constructive criticisms are being sued in court by the MVP provider. This is entirely inappropriate and unacceptable, and WCPSS shou d be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to occur. I cannot say enough about how I HATE and LOATH and DESPISE this curriculum. I have been teaching math to kids for 20 years. The only thing I can think of is that you must be saving money or someth ng for you to mplement this approach. Hope the kids that think they are stupid n math and fall through the cracks are worth it. I saw most of my daughter’s friends change the r opinion of themselves as academics and capable of math to thinking they are stup d and “can’t do math” It is a shame because they are capable and they just had the wrong system am sure I will not have any impact but I must admit, I feel powerless and disappointed. Was told to “hang in there” when I expressed concern. For how long?? Parent night comment from teacher: "This program does not allow for teachers to stand in front f the class and teach." Seriously??? The teacher did point out the website and a few other things during the meet the parents day at the school. I just never follo ed through with v siting the resources. I asked my student about them and my student knew about the resources already. Experience with MVP occurred last year. The instructor provided the basic resources and information. First year of implementation - I kne WAY more than the teacher about the resources and expectations of the program because I realized extremely early on how awful it was and spent tons of time seeking out a l resources I had to chastise the teacher for not telling the students that they had access to videos or other extra MVP items (outside of their booklets). He seemed to not know what was going on and I had to essentially force him to tell students where they could find a few things. How's that for an effective imp ementation? The general letters ake county sent out saying there was a new curriculum were essentially worthless. Never Yes but barely. Had a 5 minute presentation at meet the teacher night and when parents started to express their concern and frustration, we were shut down by the teacher. He offers no before/after school help sessions to assist kids who are struggling. My child is on their own. I have never had a teacher dentify, expla n or reach out to me regarding this curriculum. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son does not take Math 2 until next semester. Never! A friend told us about the resources but self teaching upper level math is not what a strong foundation makes. She didn’t understand it either. we have heard nothing from any of the teachers at green hope since we started at the school - just the principal's high level newsletter each eek Math teacher openly says they do not like it has to supplement much of the curriculum and does not use their tests I never received any communication about MVP. I learned about it on social media. Only hear that extra help is available after school one day a week. When asked what would be taught dur ng extra help the response was nothing, students can come and ask questions. Depend ng on what day of the week it is teacher leaves after 20 minutes of a 45 minute session saying she has bus duty and cant stay. We l if you didn't teach the concept in the classroom and they got it wrong on assignments how are they supposed to know what questions to ask except "I got this wrong" can you teach me? Its time for teachers to teach and not be classroom proctors. One day stay after school and teachers says they can’t teachers just answer any questions you have. Then the teachers leaves after 20 minutes and says have bus duty. The teachers send information about their class and what students need to address not necessarily about the MPV program itself I talked briefly with my child’s teacher about her/his math skills and learned that he/she s using the resources and is advanced since begin of kindergarten. Zero communication from either school that are using this program. I have never heard any of the teachers reference MVP as the curriculum. My child is not given extra practice and there are things on the quizzes and tests that were never taught n class My child has a fantastic teacher for Math 1. She makes herself available to communicate and help my child when needed. Teachers are not to blame! The county has a responsibility to educate all citizens appropriately and when a major change as this curriculum was ro led out, the county should have communicated and kept open lines of communication with parents Math tests are not sent home to review for finals o re takes. So many improvements needed. My child has not had math yet this year, but wi l next semester. Her teachers in middle school provided her with the resources she needed. All of the information 've received has come through my child. As a parent it has been extremely difficult to support my child or f nd any resources that might a low her to improve her own understanding outside the classroom. It as our understanding that MVP math provided students with all the tools necessary to help them learn the material. The program has completely failed in that regard causing students to feel helpless and unintelligent because they can't figure things out on their own. Have never heard anything about MVP from my child's teacher or the school. I only know about it from Meet the Teacher night Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Our teacher rolled this out defensively, at parents night before school started, explain ng that she won’t be giving direct instruction and that all of the work takes place in groups. This as not even remotely encouraging. Then she spent 10 minutes explaining to us how this ties to the math standards. One of the parents expla ned that parents don’t care about math standards, we ust want to know that our child is learning. The teacher did not like that. And now that we know the kids aren’t learning this way, the parents don’t like it either. We received some cursory nformation ears ago about this new Math 1 curriculum being implemented That's it There were no other resources available at that time that I was a aware of. My daughter received some information from her Math 2 teacher about available resources on her Canvas page. I received information from WCPSS at the beginning of this year about newly available math resources for all grades. I reviewed them for my son's middle schoo Math 7+ class, but as my daughter is not in math this semester, I have only done a cursory review of the Math 1, 2, and 3 resources. I don t want any updates on MVP math curricu um. All I want are the resources that the teaching professionals know of as good supplements so that perhaps the students will learn something in spite of MVP. The subject of MVP is avoided because WCPSS kno s deep inside it was a bad choice and doesn't want to admit it so silence is chosen over communication. Nothing except a note about dropping by a certain date if they weren’t cutting it in the class Never. Not once. This curriculum has made our son hate math and feel like a failure even when he understands the concepts. Only my sons current math one plus teacher My daughter math 2 & 3 honors teachers have not. Please get rid of MVP! Teach our kids math concepts, give homework problems to pract ce those concepts. They need a solid foundation in math before they should be expected to sit around a table and “figure things out”. Also, please go over each wrong test answer My daughter says they only go over a couple of problems. How is that teaching anything?? Please remove MVP from our schools and get back to the basics of teaching good solid math concepts that increase fluency. I have reached out to my son's teacher/guidance counselor but that's the only way I've received information To the best of my knowledge teachers aren't supposed to be talking about the MVP math curriculum. They're not supposed to ta k honestly, that is. Again, there is no basic procedure for teaching this curriculum that parents, students and tutors can help w th. One must know and understand the MVP curriculum (not the math!) in order to be successful in a class with MVP. A math teacher's training comes from understanding math and how to communicate it to students. The amount of tra ning required from MVP is exorbanant and consists of walking around listening to groups ta king frustrat ngly about how they don't understand No significant amount of learning is taking place n the classroom. It happens independently of resources from schoo , with tutors and parents. Our teacher this year s supplementing w th her own materia , but she is just as frustrated as we are. I've heard teachers say, "I'm happy that don't have to teach MVP" and teachers that do teach it have sa d, "I hate this cu riculum It isn't a good tool to teach these guys what they need to know" Actual quote from a Wake County HS teacher. My child’s teacher eft abruptly, and she has had a constellation of untrained subs delivering this curriculum Zero communication regarding this program from the teacher or school. Only hen it started to become an issue in the news did it ever get ta ked about And the concerns that were brought up in the news were concerns that MANY of my fellow parents had with the MVP. Straight A students failed at math when it was first introduced. That should be a read flag in itself !!!! Please get rid of MVP None needed Please add any additional comments on the above topic: None helpful Our teachers are not the problem. What they are expected the teach and how they are expected to teach, that's the problem. Stop blaming the wrong people. I have received no updates from the teacher regard ng MVP We've received one email A blanket email stating IF YOU'RE RECEIVING THIS YOUR CHILD IS FAILING AND THEY HAVE WEEKS TO TURN IN MAKEUP WORK. Not a good sign if a teacher is sending out a b anket ema l to multiple parents to inform them your child is failing!!!! His teacher never sent updates at all on curriculum. No real math teacher ants to do it the way the curriculum states. Let teachers teach. They are good teachers. You have ruined it for them and us. My child has not been told anyth ng. teacher has offered extra support, but still hasnt helped. AN OUTSIDE tutor has been hired so we will see how this helps. The web site s good, do not feel like I need more updates so I am satisfied. Our teacher just sends emails telling us our student is failing. When I reply to ask specific questions I have never gotten a reply. This is 3-4 emails at this point Horrible communication Only received info when I emailed the teacher as to why was my above average student struggling. That email was pure copy and paste and zero help for success in the class. Never heard a word about it from the teachers I emailed her teacher and had to wait 2 weeks for a response - too late to be helpful for a child so discouraged Our teacher last year as limited in what she could share on MVP. All communications on MVP came from the school. For one ch ld, I received a short paragraph from the teacher at the beginning of the year. S nce then, she has sent a couple reviews. I did not hear anything from the other teacher at the beginning of the year and have not seen any additional resources. However both teachers are available for tutor ng once or twice per week after school Two days ago my son’s teacher mentioned the resources in an email she sent me because my son is fai ing in math We were provided the school's Math 3 website. I requested meeting with his math teacher with schoo counselor on copy at least 3 t mes to confirm my understanding so can help my student. I received no response from the math teacher or counselor. I receive nothing from my child's teacher. Powerschool offers no insight and intrems and report cards provide only cut and paste fluff. Program isn’t the problem if teachers can’t teach the material It appears the teachers' hands are tied with this curriculum. Did the principals threaten the teachers jobs? Any good teacher seems to struggle with this as it seems like all is needed s a moderator in the class. People seem to only blame the teachers or children, not the curricu um. Never Not once Nor from the schools BoE says contact WCPSS who says contact principal who says contact teacher who says contact principal or WCPSS. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Had to find info on my own We have received informat on about online videos. I do not think the teacher knows how to handle th s situation. Instead they just leave the r hands completely off. Kids were completely confused. We need more examp es of concept application. I have been in communication with my child's teacher about a private tutor, not about MVP I don t think we would’ve made it th s far ithout Khan Academy which was not created by MVP. MVP sucks and is not only damaging my chi d’s academic career, but her self-esteem and emotional health Only n Math 1 where we were told dur ng parent teacher night that it was an experiment that orked in Orange County. The more time that passes ith MVP in Wake, the further behind my son will be n Math. He has dropped out of Honors and into academic. His choice. It’s changed his hole path We will not have to pay for outside math classes because Wake has not chosen sound curriculum. I’m hoping your work is for real ith this survey and not another attempt by Wake to stack the deck in their favor. I have received no nformation about this curriculum. I am thankfu that I received this opportunity to provide my feedback, as this new curriculum is a huge step n the wrong direction Huge failu e and just needs to be scrapped Go back to the previous cu riculum/teaching methods Again, not sure why I have to be such a big part of this math experience Yes, am the parent however my job is to be a support ve ro e not have to learn it all myself so I can then act as teacher number 2. None at all Not as much as we'd l ke Would like more information on this curriculum Students should not be teaching themselves a math curriculum Period. I can’t believe we have to keep repeating th s. See comments above Q11 - Since the MVP math curriculum was implemented in my child's school, I have had to spend more time helping them at home. Yes No 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Since the MVP math curriculum was implemented in my child's school, I have had to spend more time helping them at home. 1.00 2.00 1.29 0.46 0.21 2,642 # Field Choice Count 1 Yes 70.59% 1865 2 No 29.41% 777 2642 Showing rows 1 - 3 of 3 Q21 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I did not have to spend more time helping him at home during MVP Math 1 but I have had to spend more time helping during MVP Honors Math 2. I hired a tutor who teaches in a Wake County HS and her HS does NOT use MVP. And their students have higher math scores We have also had to hire an outside tutor at $65/week. Much more time teaching my child math. My strong confident daughter in Math now no longer wants to take any math classes. MVP has killed my daughters ove of math. It feels like the workbooks they use are not effective since I have to help them so much We have spent at least an hour or two every day (including the weekends) trying to work through the curriculum, including paying thousands to a tutor, us ng Khan Academy and other online resources and tutoring her ourselves. She has also attended tutoring session with her math teacher at least 3 or 4 lunch/after school sessions per week. We have had to hire resources (such as tutors) and working with other organizat ons such as Mathnasium Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. My child is fa rly independent and she never comes to me for help and just ended up not doing the homework or just faking answers cause she was so confused. This math is beyond my level of comprehension. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMAT ON Plus hire tutors to help I disagree ith paying a 3rd party for this service. The two weeks my husband was out of town my child's scores dropped 30% as he was her only source of math education I have no idea. I basica ly had to teach him Math One using gradpoint. He took it twice ith WCPSS at 2 different schools: middle school and high school and neither course was successful in teaching him the concepts. I've never helped my chi d with math. My child has not asked for any additional help since starting this program. My k ds would struggle if I couldn't he p them at home. Challenges at High School level, Math 2 honors level math Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have had to hire a tutor We have actually had to send my son to a private tutor and pay money in order for him to learn what he should be getting taught in school already. I feel my tax dollars are being used for the school and I have to pay more money to ensure my son is successful. What about those parents that do not have the means. And it's a constant "That's not how we re supposed to do it!" It's like we all learned French in school and our kids are bringing home Chinese and need ng help with it! Math should just be math! It s now a big mess that leaves kids and parents just feeling defeated. W thout a textbook to help parents help their kids. hired a tutor to help my child better understand math I gave up on math once my son had a horrible teacher as a 6th grader in m ddle school in the condensed 6/7 8 math. She put nothing into powerschool timely. Kids d dn't know their grades until almost the end of a quarter. Math 1 he had a fabulous teacher. Math 2 was a wasted year. They were forced online without a real classroom or in person teacher. It was BEYOND unacceptable. 8th graders should NOT be expected to teach themselves MATH 2!!! My son as once a true math kid. NC / WCPSS ruined that. It varies by topic My son does have a private math tutor that he works with once a month to make sure he is understanding material We have hired a math tutor Depends on the unit. Some are fine and others she said she can’t understand at all when she gets home. Over 3 hours a day to get C grades when he used to be completely independent and make good ones They have a MVP curicculem? This never heard of. Neither has my child. We have only been work ng with the math curr culum for only 9 weeks. Have to find outside resources to help her. It is a time and financia strain We have hired math tutors who are also struggling with the curriculum t’s sad when college graduates, one engineer, cannot help with Math and Math 3. In debt Common core was worse. I don t help my kid in math so this is irrelevant. He did need a tutor so I guess he did need more help. I've actually had to hire a tutor because I cannot help my daughter with this level of math. My son has 90 minutes of math per day. I spend almost 50% of that time at home trying to he p him understand the concepts and setup the problems. That time could be cut in half if I had a book to help him. Prior to MVP, I would spend 5 or 10 minutes helping w th just a fe of the tough problems. Now have to start from the basics This program (experiment ???) is an utter failure This will impact all of these students for the rest of their years in school. They have a very poor foundat on in algebra and it will hinder their performance ater in pre-calc and calculus. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child has had to now start go ng to tutoring. I can’t help because t doesn’t make sense to me. That is why we have a tutor. I cannot do today's Middle school math. Yes - 100%. The time and money spent to get her as much help as possible. Reaching out to teacher friends and past teachers that were more than wi ling to make every attempt to help her..... only to be confused themselves. The hours that she would spend searching the internet for videos and help in order for her to finish her HW ass gnments The hours spent suppo ting our daughter and wiping her tears awa and telling her that we will do everyth ng we can to get her through this class. Her anxiety of thinking that all her hard work is not going to pay off......her worry of not being able to get into colleges of her cho ce because she now had a C on her transcript. Hired tutors and enlisted additional support at school. we are also paying for external tutoring I spend countless hours at home helping minimum of 5 hours a week helping my child. MVP math is awful! I finished middle school 41 years ago, now i’m back. I should be spending my time reviewing both our kids homework not just helping figure out this math. I want to know my children are learning math concepts and applying them as they progress in the higher level of classes The amount of time I spent with them and learning this curriculum for myself was ridiculous...and this is on top of a tutor. He/she is assigned a ton of Khan Academy practice to do at home That's it. My daughters teachers have only used mvp sparing y. I need to help him daily with his homework and hired a tutor for 3 hours per week. I tutored calculus in co lege and helped tutor my other son last summer in ca culus. This MVP makes no sense to me and I often cannot help him and so we need the tutor. Child prefers to challenge his work independently I had to get h m a tutor. The curriculum does not provide adequate steps to help him learn the concepts. Also the teacher, style of teaching makes a difference I have had to hire outside tutors for my daughter to the tune of $300 a month. That sure adds up quickly!! Mathnasium and other tutors are making a fortune from MVP math. YES , spent extra resources outside of school to get match tutoring, coaching, online learning. My student is strong academically and he has been reviewing the curriculum on ine at night. He spends a great deal of time try ng to learn the assignments. The materials are crap, I have had to make my own. I have had to hire a tutor So far, no Please add any additional comments on the above topic: because we're trying to teach them new ways of learning, myself who has been through calcu us 2 in the ate 80s was told they were 'doing it wrong'. There were no resources, hell they didn't even have a 'math book' for me to look at. she was told that I shouldn't help as I was 'doing it wrong' and instead of educating me they said let her do it. i was unable to find help online at a l for this and am now angry that one of the questions was hey did you see our website' and not once was that communicated to the parents. I want the kids to learn to do math by more than rote memorization and appreciate the way they are trying to change things, but the complete lack of parental help from the school results in this giant mess that we're in now with wh ners throwing fits and suing and all that. Obta ning a tutor in addition to the help received st schoo . See ans er above. We have had to employ regular tutors for my child who has always been strong in math before now... My child is very independent which thankfu ly s a blessing in the disaster that is MVP She is one of few of her friends that are doing ok. Unsure because this is our first year with the program AND MONEY!!!! BUT I can’t help them with nothing to go on, no handouts, no books, no mater als But pa a ton of $$ for tutor And, since, with a master's degree, can't understand it, no wonder he can't. I remember last year in her first MVP, my child asking me to ook at my col ege textbook in math. It did not help her very much yet she was struggling on the material l ke most of the children in her class. She would tell me that the majority of her class would a so struggle and had to teach each other the material constantly. Furthermore, she informed me that on the other hallway, they would struggle too. She ould get all A's in her main and elective classes for all quarters then math would always be B. He has needed additional instruction outside of school during times when his actual teacher was not actually guiding them in class. I pay a tutor to come one to two time per week. I have also spent significant $ on a tutor I spend hours trying to help my child with this. This takes away time from other homework that she needs to do; it also takes away family time and time for extracurricular activities. I help more but have set an absolute limit on helping In my home I refuse to push my kid off a mental cliff for MVP math. His sanity and mental health are not worth it. We have discussed in detail since he started struggling, how this isn’t a ref ection of h s intelligence, it’s a reflection of what happens when adults and school systems make poor decis ons about education sitting behind board meetings. And he’s on the losing end of that educational failure. He does not come home in a stable state of mind to spend MORE hours on this math. I refuse to sacrifice his emotional health any longer. So I help him with n my intellectual limit, but we don’t spend exorbitant money on tutors or spec al purchase mvp help links. I am unaware of this curriculum Not at Davis Drive but at Green Hope In addit on to countless additional hours spent at home re-covering supposed 'taught' content, I've no had to engaged a fee based tutor just to bring my child back up to 'grade level'. This as a child who excelled in math prior to MVP...a few years later, he is below grade level ( hile continuing to excel in all other subjects). Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child doesn't seek help, and I was unaware he was failing until recently. Also, it would be nice if I didn't have continually teach my children their math. It s what we send them to school for. My daughter is very independent and wouldn't come to us for help. She has always been proactive to do her own work and chat with friends about class ork. We a e currently hiring a tutor We also had to spend money on an online math softwa e platform ixl com to teach what child should have learned in math, but didn’t because of MVP. My child and I have spent hours trying to figure out how to do her math homework. Inadequate instruction through the MVP workbooks and teaching have made math homework a nightmare. Kudos to a teacher who covered all questions. getting a tutoring teacher What’s the point of having class if they have to learn everything at home? This is absolutely true because i did not feel comfortable letting my child self studying the material with a group of students at the same level. YES!!! A TON of time is being spent tutoring, watching videos and helping not only understand the math, but also trying to help her emotionally deal with the fact that she is not being taught and feels bad not knowing the information. LOTS of unnecessary tears. Kids have enough to deal with just by growing up - they DO NOT need ANY extra stress from something that they should be getting through the teachers at school. We are PAYING OUR TAXES for the teachers to teach our kids!! Let these teachers actually teach!!!!! My son has only ever had the MVP program I had to help a LOT w th Math 1 and 2 at Martin MS - he had excellent teachers. He is in Math 3 at Broughton and I have not helped him at all. I understand they are doing a hybrid program. He has an A. yes, mostly in arranging schedules for tutoring and follow up with teachers. We regularly communicated ith the teacher by emai to just understand what was going to be covered on the test so then we could tell the Tutors so they could prepare to teach. Paying for private tutoring, finding khan academy tuto ing videos emotional support due to f ustrations with MVP The amount of students relying on math tutors right no in Wake County is ridiculous. My friend is a retired teacher who charges $50 per hour. Current y she is tutoring 10 students and is having to turn people away. She tells me it is because of MVP. She tutors us ng her materials we used to use and the students are finding it to be helpful. I cannot answer the above, since this is our first year with MVP. I am beyond thankful for a solid math foundation provided to my child for the last 8 years at her private school. Why are we paying math teachers if they are not allowed to teach! My child doesn't ask me for help. She goes to her friends. She says her teacher is horrible. This child is very self led When my younger kids move into this level of math I know one of them will struggle greatly with this method of teaching and lose any confidence she may have in this subject area. Hours and hours!!! I can’t even do that math, but I have had to teach myself (after a 25 year break) or find online sources Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I have tried my best to help my son with his MVP math, but honestly we had to hire a tutor as I don't remember how teach some of these topics. Khan Academy has bee a good resource. My son has struggled this entire year so far in Math only and he was identified as AIG for Math in 3rd grade. He is frustrated and we are not sure if it s the teacher's capacity to effectively plan and del ver the Math II content or some other unknown instructional gap. Can't say yes b/c she's always been in a Math MVP cur while at school LOL! couldn't help him with any of this craziness! He has to get help from school from either his teacher or his peers. Time tears, and money teaching math at home that didnt reflect the amount of learned material on the exams. YouTube became the math teacher for our family as we all had to find resources to teach ourselves at home because it was NOT being taught in the school. Not being strong in math and not seeing these concepts since I was a high school sophomore since these concepts are really not applicable to most of real life, it was a struggle for all of us. I’ve also had to hire a very expensive tutor We have spent a lot more time helping her at home, her older sister who has completed AP calcu us is a resource to her and we have hired an outside tutor None of this was necessary befo e the MVP curriculum and none of this was necessary when she took math 1 in middle School He middle school did not strictly follow the MVP curriculum. That was a blessing, without them foundat on, she would be completely lost in math 2 at the high school level. My child needs a lot of help to complete the MVP math homework. My daughter did require more additional assistance and to help her the MVP booklet was not used but rather outside sources. LOTS more time. We have to do a l the problems at home to make sure they understand them.. as they are just handed a worksheet, told to work in groups, figure it out...if they "Figure it out" wrong then there is no one to help them understand WHY...which is where the parents come in...I have no issue helping my children every n ght with homework and take great pride in being ve y involved but when they tell me the teacher did not TEACH them how to do the work just to figure t out in a group...then I am questioning what the Curriculum is Driving? Not sure because the math work is not coming home. Paying for tutors I have spent several hours helping my child with homework. Usually I have to go on ine to find problem. hat s being taught and an alternative way of doing the Not my personal children, but I see a lot of students ho struggle with MVP We are using hard earned cash that is honestly needed elsewhere on a tutor. Almost once a week on average. Even though I have a Master's degree in a hard science, I am unable to do this math anymo e Therefo e, I cannot help my child with homework at all Again, I had to hire a private tutor for my children to ensure that they are understanding the mathematical concepts. My husband and I are both college graduates. I am an employee of Wake County Public Schools and currently teach 4th grade We find it difficult to help our children with their math homework. What about students that do not have parents that have the financial resources to hire a private tutor? How is this curriculum equitab e for all students? Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not me personally but my husband as ell as classmates have been resources when my children have not typically required addit onal support in the past. I see him less confident The amount of time is unbe ievable. Before MVP, was helping my child often with her homework Now, I arely help her When I check in with her, she is able to tell me what she is doing and can explain the concepts thoroughly ith clear understanding! I have spent hours re-learning math from courses I took in high school so to help my daughter. Additional y, I'm now taking her to a tutor weekly which is taking more time. All these are preventab e as the concepts SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN CLASS. This is the one area where teachers are actually pa d appropriately for what they teach: NOTHING. we look for math resources online/extra problems/explanations and have occasionally implemented extra help from a tutor for additional resources Hours spent trying to find tutors, which are difficult to find and at $50.00-$60.00 /hour Having to re teach at home As I said before, I cannot afford a tuto so I am having to help h m the best I can It is extremel difficult and frust ating since the problems that he br ngs home do not make any since to me whatsoever. I could help him if it was actually algebra but this stuff makes no since. Not only me but her math teacher. Her math teacher was gracious and caring enough and recognize the hard work my daughter was putting in while struggling and agreed to meet her not only at Star lunches but n the morning before school. So i took her in early at 630 am so she could review what she worked on and make sure she mastered it. Again what does this tell you? A kid who has always been n the top 2 or 3 percent of math students nationally is working her tail off, on material she has already passed and a teach is working extra time with the student and yet she is doing worse? MVP is a failure. My child gets help from older sibling and a math tutor weekly. More time at home, $$ out of pocket for paid tutors, finding webs te that can explain these odd methodologies, child seeking out special help and attending tutorials. 100% Tutors & using add tiona websites such as Kahn Academy We get tutoring toHelp us as the teacher does not. We have a math tutor during math semester. I now have to re teach basic stuff that is being learned incorrectly and having to change a mindset when my kids think incorrectly that they have gotten things right when they have the right answer but it is done incorrectly, ie it won't ork n a different similar situation. Tutoring has been required as this math didn't really make sense to me (Aerospace Engineering grad with a ton of math in college) Thanks goodness we can afford it. This is our second WCPSS student to take this course and we are all stil re-teaching the math material. My child helps themself and just states that the teacher is not good and they have to earn everything on their own which is SAD. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Because the teachers don't "teach" the subject in the classical sense, I have to spend significant time at home covering concepts and working through practice problems. This was much more of an issue in 7th grade when the teacher would spend all her time working with the poor students, and no time work ng with the solid or high achieving students. I have had to hire a tutor I have spent vastly more time helping them at home The plus is that's n ce to do math problems together w th your children, though am surprised to have to do so They sometimes seem as if they are encountering the topics for the first time. A huge yes. Parents helping with homework is great, important and absolutely expected - it's our jobs, but the MVP curriculum does not lend well at all for the parent-student collaboration - nearly impossible to understand HOW it's being taught and even oftentimes hat s being asked. Keep It Simple Stupid - not every kid s going to be an engineering, mathematician, etc. Not much more time but we now have to add another topic to our dinner table conversation. Hard to tell if it's the curriculum or the increasing complexity of the material given her moving from middle to high school. I have spent hours and hours printing out worksheets, review sheets, watching the YouTube videos so my student cam learn math. Thank God we can afford a laser printer, Wi Fi, and paper to help my child learn math And had to hire a VERY expensive math tutor. Due to the MVP curriculum I have had to spend multiple HOURS teaching my ch ld math after school. I have also had to hire a tutor to teach him the things I am unsure about (the "new math" methods etc,) With all the time and money I have spent teaching my ch ld outside of schoo I wonder what on Earth is happening in the classroom. The problem s I dont know this math and feel helpless. We had to find a tutor to help my son, as we l as staying after school and receiving help at lunch. My fam ly has never had to use a math tutor before MVP math. Your average co lege graduate can’t even help with some of the MVP homework. You need to get a tutor that is very familiar w th the curr culum Not even aware there was a change in either child’s math curriculum. Is a free statewide math curriculum provided by NCDPI? Again, the amount of outside tutoring that I have had to set up is alarming and frustrating, to say the least. Please go back to the basic way of teach ng math. The textbooks don't even explain how to do the math. We missed the MVP by one year. THANK GOD!! But, as a WCPSS parent and a concerned c tizen, I have f lled out this form. Both of my children have required a math tutor. I am paying a tutor for help twice a week to he p my child....How can a 2 hour a week session catch my child up for a week of NO TEACHING ....it can't Pr or to MVP Math, our t me spent helping my son on Math at home was negligible We spent time on other subjects where he struggled to help him stay on All A honor roll in 6th grade and to stay on honor roll in 7th. In MVP Math 2 this year, we spend at least an hour nightly, usually longer, and if it's longer it's because we are trying to find ways to help him realize he HAS to do the work and he CAN do the work in spite of MVP Curriculum. The stress level in our home has increased s gnificantly due to this. We never know from one night to the next how long Math will take. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This method is completely at odds with the ways math is taught in most schools and the MVP exper ment has cost my child valuable time in learning what he should be learning in Algebra and Geometry (M1-M2) N/A and pay for more tutoring sessions, console her when she cries but its so frustrating and hard to understand, as well as reach out to other parents on how to best understand how to help my kid My student needed constant support and tutoring, multiple times per week. As parents e are unable to assist because MVP teaches based on an approach foreign to anyone who grew up learning basic math. I don't understand why WCPSS thinks it needs to experiment with curriculum in math. Math is math. Concepts have remained the same for hundreds of years. It sn t an evolving subject like history or science. My child seeks out support from websites like Kahn Academy to get addit onal help. We have the expense of a weekly tutor as well. Had to hire TUTORS My child gets help from our entire family as well as a tutor and is still not successful with th s math. This is absolutely true I find myself having to teach my child en how to approach math problems when they come home essentially una med when it comes to kno ledge on the subject We spend over 300$ per month on tutoring no because our son's instruction in math is so poor. I don't know what families do that can't affor tutoring. I feel bad for them. Not even sure when it started. Student does well in math, thankful y, but they don’t feel the r learning the best ay. Had to hire tutors 3x a week. Why pay for public schoo s. Is that not what our taxes do? I’ve never had to look up math videos to review w th my child until no . It’s a shame we have to find on ine teachers to teach hat should be taught in the c assroom. W thout extra work outside of school, my student would not be able to maintain their understanding (and frankly enjoyment) of learning Math I have spent way too much time helping my child ith math. But what I struggle with is that she wouldn’t be able to get this stuff without help, and how much time she would spend trying to find the ans ers herself. But not by me. By spending $$ to tutors like too many other families in WCPSS. It is the norm for families here. I do not he p my child with math as the topics she covers are not within my current knowledge. I have offered to get my child a tutor for her next class. I should not have to pay an outside tutor because there should be a math program in place at state schools that is effective. I have had to hire a private math tutor for 2 years in a row now. I have a so found it much more difficult to help at home. My child's teacher last year also offered study sessions after school Without these, he would not have passed Math She should not have to give up her free time because this curr culum is so difficult for parents to use I spend at east 6-8 hours a week and so times even more Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Some review at home but mostly weekly tutoring with her teacher after school. My son can generally figure out math problems on h s on. Not so with the MVP curriculum. My son took Honors Math 2 last spr ng which was the recommendation based on him taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade at a Private School. Because he didn’t take Math 1 he did not get the foundations he needed for the geometry part of Math 1. He struggled tremendously and we had to hire a tutor 2times a week and he barely passed the class We have continued with the tutor even though he does not have math this semester in hopes that he will do better in Math 3. I think kids that really excell in math will do ok with MVP but your average and below average students will struggle. Time effort, tutors, MONEY Hours every night! I could not understand it myself so we hired a tutor If I help him, which I barely could anyway because the way I know it is not right, then the county won’t know they are failing. I’m okay with a couple bad grades so they can get the data. I can’t teach my kid algebra but I can probably any other subject. ’m one of many. don’t feel bad about t. As a WCPSS alumnus registered Professional Engineer in NC, and engineering firm business owner I am extremely dissatisfied with the MVP curriculum not only for my child, but also for prospective employees n the future I might as we l be enrolled in the class! Daily help for my son of 30 minutes at a min mum has been required and he is st ll having poor grades. And MVP made no actual sense In addit on tutors and buying supplemental books. Every night my daughter and husband would sit down and he would teach her that day's math lesson since she got nothing out of the classroom "instruction". I have had to sign up for math tutor ng on line for myse f so I can help my child. We also pay a tutor to teach my child and build ’ll her conf dence My formerly independent students now require a great deal of help at home, some of which I cannot provide because I am a pharmacist, NOT a math teacher. When they ask a teacher for help, they are referred to YouTube videos. I wish I was kidd ng, but it’s completely true. Way to go, Wake County (insert eye roll here) Yes! And with 2 college educated parents, we all find MVP math RIDICULOUS!!!! Not only have I spent time. My kid requires 2 hours of paid tutoring a week just to get a C in the class. Before MVP, my child completed homework on their own ith no trouble. Now we spend 1-2 hours per night on homework and learning material that they are unclear on after class. It's frustrating for both the child and parents. We are not capable of helping teach mvp math at home. we were taught math differently and are not trained in how to help If I could understand the math I would be helping but I am lost I have to spend a significant amount of time with my children filling in what is missed in class. ith mvp math. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I personally have not had to help more but we have more tutoring. More than normal. First of all, the way the math is being taught is so confusing i cant explain it to my child the way its outlined in the book. On second thought, what am I saying? It is NOT outlined in the book at all! No textbook! Useless online resources! Even the workbook with the practice problems are pointless because there are no explanations, only problems the student can’t hope to solve because the math wasn’t effectively exp ained in class I'm not a math whiz My husband travels extensively for work I tried to help our son at home but shouldn't have to teach myself math on Khan Academy in order to help my son learn math -- that s Wake County Public Schools' job! We have had to hire a math tutor. An older sibling ho had the class before mvp was introduced has helped my younger child. As a parent, I am doing what the school teacher is supposed to do We have employed a tutor We a so recently acquired a tutor. my mom & dad but work they don’t have all the time in the damn world to help me ith my math I do not understand MVP math. I had to enlist a tutor. Helping them is very difficult because we were not taught this way But they don’t know how to do the basics so it’s difficult for them to handle the difficulty of this program. Math is the number one source of frustration in my son's curriculum. He has a ways done well in Math (4s and 5s on state EOGs) and now is daily complaining. Please make this stop. It s disruptive to my family and my child. From a just little help to 2-3 hours a night plus eekends. We are basically teaching h m math. He wou d do better to be homeschooled n math in a better curriculum. And hire a tutor I have h red a tutor .. once a week. I will try to help my child, but I don’t recall a lot of the ski ls. Thankfully, m husband is an electrical engineer and is able to help her with any questions without us needing to hire a tutor I don t understand common core math. Too long too complicated. I was a straight A student who excelled at math and science. I am a college graduate from UNC with a BS in business. I took lots of high level math such as calculus and statistics. I enjoyed math and I cannot make sense of this curriculum in order to help my son I had to invest significant money in tutor ng to be sure he had support. ’m guessing most parents may only have a high school or non-technical degree- it isn’t real stic to expect someone not trained on the mater al to be ab e to help their child. I honestly don’t th nk someone who isn’t a professional tutor or teacher could provide guidance. not sure, but this year has been a lot more work than last year. definitely 100% although they are also older and doing harde math And hire a tutor. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Frequently there will be a term used in the work book I don't recal after 30 years, I w ll ask what it is, and they always say "my teacher did not explain it" I look in the work book and there's no explanation. I then wind up googling it and looking for a youtube explanation. Very frustrating as a parent! No information provided. I am spending more time to help her understand concepts. This is shifting work from teachers to parents and parents who cant teach have to send kids to private tutoring etc This s making things so complicated and you are expermenting all these in high school where kids grades a e so important I now spend less time he ping ith math than with my child that went through the old curriculum. My husband and I have been trying to relearn math so she can get a passing grade. And now we pay for private tutoring to make up for the lack of 8nstruction. I can afford this but t is discriminatory to families who can not. and we have paid for a tutor See comment above I am regularly spending 90 minutes each night work ng with my child on MVP Math 1. I am also spending 2-3 hours on the weekend providing additional support. I am unable to p ovide d rect assistance to my son, as this method of teaching does not make sense to me I have directed him to Khan Academy videos to supplement his instruction, which have helped. And also spent hundreds of dollars (we can't afford) for a tutor JUST for her to comprehend the material and maintain C average. We have had a lot of rough evenings trying to go through the curriculum. Much more time helping my child understand the content and concepts! Now paying over $500 month for tutors for my two high schoolers to actually learn math that should be taught in the class by the teacher nstead of this “discuss amongst yourself” crap. I will be hiring a tutor as that seems to be the best way for students to master the mater al. My daughter spends hours teaching my son What are they doing du ing the school day? The homework assignments are lengthy and confusing It is basically like cramming all of those eeks into a few nights. Sometimes, while he is as eep, she is sti l creating study gu des for me to teach my son at 5 am the next morning. I DONT' KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS. I have to pay for tutoring because I cannot explain the math that these kids are being given. HOURS and HOURS and HOURS! This is time on top of an uncle and tutor who have helped!! I truly dreaded coming home from work each night because I knew how my family life was going to be turned upside down NIGHT AFTER NIGHT!! Move to a new curriculum. This one has failed in many ways. I spend time teaching them how to solve math problems with the old fashioned 19 0’s methods they learn more from me than from their class Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Paying $40/week for a tutor to teach her math. My PhD in engineering really came in handy filling in the gaps in the math curriculum. Unfortunately, not all students have parents with advanced degrees in math-heavy fields. I spend no more time ith this curriculum than I did with the homework in middle school. Hours and hour and hours of time Lots and lots of crying and frustration from my girls Ultimately, I just did not have enough time n the evenings to feel like I was doing my girls justice so we have sent them to private tutoring three times a week and I even onder if that is enough help. For example, one girl came home and said she did understand the material from the day because her group was meant to learn it on their own without any instruct on. She ultimate y learned the material from her private tutor. She is not learning from the school day classroom. (To note: my children have always made quite excellent grades but it is not the grades I care the most about; I care about the learning experience) I can’t help him because I do not understand the math myself. I have not helped my chi d with the minimal amount of homework she has. I want to stress that it’s not just a little he p, but it s hours and hours of me trying to explain it. He is not understanding the material despite class and study block work in addition to homework it is a necessity to get a tutor My k ds are very independent in their studies. They ta k to me about how they are doing but they don t want my assistance. And my child goes to tutoring at the school and we do additional t me on Khan Academy and such. I’ve also had to hire and pay for tutoring services hich my other kids never required new system is confusing ith the old system. While all kids are different al kids agree the I spend $300 a month for a Math tutor, typical y. This month I am spending $380, and my child is still getting an F. Why? Because Canvas doesn't work because your teachers are overworked, and because you all are too busy worrying about spending more money on stuff that we don't need. My child rout nely gets extra help at school from teacher and from her father and older brother in college I also have to spend more time to learn the new math from good for before I can help my children Yes! We have had to hire a tutor since this program was implemented. We have spent hours and good amount of personal funds just to make up for the poor instruction/ curricu um of this program. How many other families could not afford to have a tutor whose child has struggled or even failed math as a result of this poor program! Have spent resources on tutors and time none, independent learner We spend hours trying to fi l in the gaps using other ebsites such as Khan academy but since the concepts don’t line up exactly it is even more time consum ng His workbook gives me literally zero information in order to help him and it takes ME hours to teach myself in order to teach him We have had to hire tutors for my child to teach her the math because she wasn t really being taught how to do the problems at school. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Luckily both of my kids are really good w th math I personally think the math is way too advanced for their ages. I am now tutoring my child and 2 others for an hour a day- retracting them everything. I’ve spent a lot of money on a tutor, because she’s not learning what she needs to in class. MVP math has cost me a lot of money He has no homework at home and finishes it in a few minutes at school. Although, we have arrived at the limit of my math knowledge Next step is a tutor I have had to help my son in the past, but was able to guide him through the use of resources provided. The materials provided by MVP did not provide support. We had to seek resources elsewhere, adding to the frustration of not understanding the skill. My child never seems to understand the topics when she comes home. She says she asks questions but they never get answered. She is quite gifted and is taking high school math in 8th grade at a leadership academy. We are very unhappy with the MVP curriculum. I have tried to help but MVP is not anything I understand That's a no brainer. When teachers aren't allowed to teach, students have to find alternatives or fail. Sadly, this is hurting the financially disadvantaged kids the most We’ve added tutors I would say my husband and I teach my daughter math. We spend hours on a regular basis. It is extreme. This is creating more conflict than helpfu assistance since her math book does not show examples on how to solve only exercises and many times her work is incomplete or wrong. I spend 1 - 2 hours a n ght teaching math. I have two in middle school us ng the open up resources for math and its not much better than the material in MVP. 3 students in math at the same time is not my idea of a fun n ght at home. Shou d not have to pay thousands of dollars for s tutor...45/hour I am terrib e at math myself therefore I cannot help my student I cannot afford a tutor I've had to hire a tutor Much more time. I feel like I am the teacher. More time trying wou d be more appropriate. MVP is not a logical, traditional instruct onal model. Takes ent rely too much time trying to figure out how to he p with the MVP way of doing things. Frustration is the big factor. Honestly, I didn’t register that there was A new math curricu um until I went to a PTA meeting where there was a presentation. I then recal ed I had received information at open house but it did not adverse y affect my student so I asn’t paying attention. Only because he does not ask his parents for help—and I probably couldn’t help at this level even if I wanted to despite having an advanced degree and being a classroom teache myself (Not n math) He is in math now Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My daughter primarily gets help from her friends She required a tutor last year. We could not help her. My child needed help from both parents as ell as tutors. This has never been required to get through any other curriculum n my ch ld's educational career. I have had to help my son, or attempt to, on several occas ons I have never had to help my children with their homework; nor have they wanted my help. We have an agreement in our family, the parents job is to work, run the household, make sure the kids are taken care of etc. Their ob is to be good students, people and do their own homework. The fact that now, when he's 16, and I have to sit down and help him try to figure this out s throwing us all for a loop and feeding into his feelings of inadequacy. My child is also being tutored by her 7th grade math teacher two afternoons a week (she is no in 8th grade but had a good relationship with her 7th grade teacher who offered to he p) and I am paying for a tutor once a week. So three afternoons of tutoring!!!!! Not only are we helping her but we had to hire a teacher who would actually teacher her and on top of that she stays up too late watching various Utube videos trying to learn what she doesn’t understand and hasn’t been taught to her in class because the in class teacher is basically a glorif ed babysitter I have no idea what the MVP math curriculum is. My ch ld seems not to be provided with any resources to help her outside of the classroom. She only receives scanned copies of answer sheets, which she uses to randomly guess at ho to do the assigned work. My child is very high level in math. He teaches himself and is successful.He also teaches his classmates so they will also understand. Outside tutor help I have had to hire tutors to teach both if my children who have been exposed to this curricu um. And paid $65 an hour for a tutor. Yes. Yes. Yes. We had to hire a tutor at $40 an hour to teach my child so that ended up costing 1000/year which most parent don't have Just let the teachers actually TEACH! At HS leve , as noted above, we hired a weekly tutor to he p. I am more confused about it than my child is. Hard to help them when the parents do not understand it. Only the first couple of weeks of school, needed my help. He has been using a math tutor for years. No difference in the amount of help. In addit on, I have had to pay for professional tutoring. I have a college degree and certified teacher of 20 years in biology. I am unable to help my child in Math 3 and barely able to help in math 1. Using outs de resources to learn the math and teach my child Very expensive tutor for 5 to 6 hours per week for an entire semester just to keep her from failing. And th s is an a math student traditional y. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Our son is using cpss online math material - videos , Khan academy for understanding the materials. My husband has spent numerous hours trying to figure out what in the world this math is trying to teach. Then spends more time trying to explain it to my son. It is absolutely miserable in our household. My students come home after spend ng lunch in Math tutoring. They watch the videos on the WCPSS website They do the exercises After 5 hours I ask them to stop On Sundays when other kids are playing they are meeting with the math tutor They get frustrated as to how they could work SO HARD on something and then walk out of the test/quiz and wonder what in the world happened. These kids emotional well-being is at stake. WCPSS needs to re-evaluate. I have never had to help with math homework I’ve given up. Baaaad experiment where students lose out tremendously. Not only have I had to help him, but we pay a tutor $350 a month to work with our child. My child often comes home not knowing how to do his homework, which leads to frustration because my husband does not agree with the way the math is being taught. As well as pay for a private tutor We a so had to hire a tutor.. and he still struggled. This is extremely frustrating when there are no resources available to parents. Math "help" sessions between parents and teens who only ask for help out of exasperation are not pleasant, and this is compounded by the lack of information for parents. How are parents (even those good in math) supposed to help when presented with a blank sheet of problems and no examp es or written material expla ning the concept? The b ind google search is all we have to go by. My child was in AG Math al throughout school. Always, getting 4s and or As in math until the MVP program in high school We had to hire a tutor weekly at $50 an hour just to get a C. Math was a ways his strong suit and this program has left him struggling in math. It has been very disheartening and costly to us as a family to go through th s It is negatively affecting our children and their GPAs Don’t know However IT IS ALMOST MPOSSIBLE WITHOUT TEXTBOOKS AND OUTLINE AND LESSON PLAN FROM TEACHERS NO TEXTBOOK IS UNACCEPTABLE MANY TEACHERS CANNOT SHARE UPCOMING CONCEPTS BECAUSE OF LACK OF ORGANIZATION AND PARENTS HAVE L TTLE TO USE AS REFERENCE She’s very lucky to have her older brother tutor her. But to be honest it’s not fair for him either. He’s taking 5 AP classes this year & he has to spend hours w th her because she s on her own. That takes away from his school work. t’s ridiculous. Absolutely And a lot of that time is asted googling how to do t and wonder ng why the hell WCPSS chose MVP. I actually don’t help him but his older disorder does (she finished AP Calc AB/BC as a unior and I d now a senio at the same high school) I have spent hours researching material and resources to help her. W th every new workbook, I attempt to find supplementa help and prepare myself for her questions which are inevitable. We review prior to quizzes and tests and work with the tutor to make sure she can cover the material from prerequisites Still its mpossible to predict what material will show up on a test that has not been covered in the workbook. Its very defeating. How will she ever get a positive outlook for math if she's constantly beaten down w th bad grades and mounting confusion? I have not had math like this in 30+ years and am unable/unskilled to help at home or I would! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We need h re tutor to teach my kids. He spends many hours outside classroom time trying to figure out how to do formulas and problems that he is not sure of. Might as well take a class online. Might even be better. At least then don’t have to waste time in the classroom accomplishing nothing. Utube and the tutor has brought him thus far in the class. He s totally turned off math now for next year. I'm an Aerospace Engineer I took lots of required math in co lege When I help my child with math this year, we are both equally baffled by the stupidity of the curriculum, method of teaching, and having to "discover" stuff. about the same My child is taking math 1 and when teacher s out of class they ask us for help. I don t even understand how to do it. And hire a math tutor. We have spent 8-10 hours per week working with our son, but he hasn’t been grasping the concepts as well with this curriculum. I am unable to help my child with Math at this level but am paying over $300 a month for him to receive tutoring I feel so ry fo those kids who are not good in math Especially if there is no support at home Thankfully my ch ld is able to teach herself She does come to us occasionally for help, more than she did in the past. this seriously needs to stop 3-4 hours each evening in addition to a weekend tutor I should not be re teaching. This has to happen at school Any lack of assistance is due to the fact that I don’t have enough knowledge of the content - due to lack of reference materials - to help. Not a lack of need I don t understand the Math so he has to future if our on h s own And pay for tutors MVP s horrible My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds He was an Honor student for years Worst program ever! He is learn ng NOTHING! We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! I spent several hours many nights helping my child understand the concepts that were "taught in class". After concept would be understood, but not because of what was done in class. orking with her and explaining it, the MVP appears to be a orkbook with no explanation of the actual concepts and no resources provided to explain. I am all for col aboration, but children should not be expected to tech themselves math. We spend about an hour each night revie ing homework assignments so I can teach my child the things that neither the MVP material nor the teacher taught in class. MVP does not teach the children. Self discovery of higher level math concepts is a terrible idea that ust cannot work We need real teachers teaching a real cu riculum with a real text book My daughter gets help from her grandfather on the weekends to learn the curriculum Please add any additional comments on the above topic: The main issue is the math teacher .. wasnt available until 1 month nto the year. Is not qualified to teach the class. Basucally just a body We are paying for 2 times a week math tutoring no extra comment needed here We have had to spend several hours every week with our chi dren to teach them the curriculum ourselves as the instructors at school have fa led to do so This has completely destroyed any family time we could have in the evenings. My youngest child is often ignored because I am dealing with MVP tears. Yes and no. We try but have zero clue what they are do ng. We know how we learned. Not acceptable now However, it is hard to know if this is because of the curriculum or because my child is in more difficult classes now than previously. It's a nightmare. It is diff cult to assist students when there are no resources, no book, no examples, and lack of understanding by the teacher. This is a MAJOR yes! First year - MVP 1 in 8th grade - the teacher thought he was forbidden to use anything outside of the MVP booklets so my child was completely lost. As much as I tried to convince him to use supplemental mater als and some traditional nstruction he would not, so EVERY DAY my child came home and I gave her the lesson she should have gotten in class She made a "take home notebook" full of equations, vocabulary, examples, etc (which was modeled off of what Boyette at Sanderson HS was doing). taught her with traditional methods and then she did her homework. I checked every ans er everyday and reviewed what she missed, because I couldn't count on the teacher to do that. I wrote practice quizzes and test revie s for every unit. She did well because of ME, not because of her teacher or the program. Her second year was Math 2 in high school Her HS math department allows for more of a blended approach so they do their own "take home notebooks" with all the good stuff, use some traditional teaching methods, and mostly seem to use the workbooks and homework (or just scrapped the MVP books altogether for some lessons). My required involvement was less because of this, but I still checked homework daily, etc to ensure that understanding was there so she wouldn't fall behind If I was not capable myself I would have spent tens of thousands of dollars on tutor ng to receive the same outcome. By the way - the take home notebook I made her create for Math 1 was SO helpful to refer to during Math when she would start a new unit and wanted to remember what she already knew/understood from the previous year SO AWESOME to have that. That does NOT come from MVP. Sadly, we struggle to help our ch ld. We have to go through Khan Academy videos just to understand what our ch ld is learning. Teach h m in schoo , please! Parents cannot do it at home. The books do not even have examples! ! Definitely seen this I spend hours teaching my own children and tutor clients what they should be learning in class. I don t understand it enough to help my child. My daughter is tutored x2 week. Should be everyday but e can’t afford it. But to no ava l My child’s math grades suffer the last two years. He says he studies with friends then bombs tests. He’s dependent on other students daily who can be of no help at test time. Nor should they be. He should be learning from a teacher As stated above we spend absurd amounts of money in tutoring. My child uses other resources online to teach themselves. The MVP website is not helpful. My ch ld used to like math.... This program is a bunch of cr.. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: But i don’t understand it 2 tutors at $45 and hour. You do the math. He is able to figure out the math on his own We are spending $2000 per semester for tutoring to make up for the lack of teaching going on in the classroom. Except the methods I use they say are not acceptable methods to be used solving equations with this new program New to the distr ct Could not help though...had no clue how to begin. As mentioned before ended up having to pay for tutoring for 11th grader. Expect we will have to for her 12th grade math as well. Would rather that money went to a decent teacher and program. Yes more and thousands of dollars in tutoring fees! What are we paying the teachers for? Math is NOT my subject Not only time but also finances so that my son can at least m nimally pass this class! I cannot help my child with the math so she is on her own with homework I can not help them, even when they come to me as the way they teach it and want them to show work is constantly changing I am not qualified to help my child with math. My child never had difficulty with math. I helped my kids on some stuff but all these new methods that are different from traditional methods made it harder to help my child. could not if i wanted to. Have had to spend significantly more money hiring tutors, though I have had to employ tutors in an ongo ng manner He’s also had to seek peer tutoring during his lunch time. But I’m no help to my child since don’t even know how to do it. Very frustrating. She used to require a little help occasionally Now it's a da ly occurrence We have to figure out what the homework is even asking, try to make a connection w th the lesson (usually there asn't one) then eventua ly teach her a lesson and get through the homework. Many of her close peers have had to hire tutors. Math was the primary focus during homework time and occasionally at the expense of completing other assignments. Now that my child has resolved that no matter how hard he tries that he will never be successful in math, we make completing the math homework the lowest priority...hoping that the focus on other courses will allow those grade to offset the horrible impact that failing math wi l have on h s GPA. This curricu um should be removed and let's get back to learning math n a more traditional manner.!!! Unfortunately, I am not able to help my son with the ay Math is bring taught under the MVP program. My older son is 2 years older than my son in Math currently, and he can't help him either because it is taught differently than when he had Math without the MVP program Very frustrat ng! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child goes to smart lunch two times a week for math and stays after school two times a week on average for extra help and is still struggling with this horrible curriculum I have to TEACH concepts. I have had to hire a tutor to teach math. Using a tutor also becomes confusing if it’s not MVP style, per my daughter. We had to hire a tutor We spend about an hour at home figuring out the problems by researching on our own I don t spend more time, I do what I can to help, but the curriculum is passed hat recall from my schoo days. I would prefer a more practical education - where you will actually use what you learn (rather than theoretical math). We have had to get outs de help for our student. I had to get my daughter a math tutor. Not only have I had to spend more time but have also had to hire a tutor. One of my children requested a tutor by the 2nd week of schoo . I can’t imagine how the equity office isn’t all over you about the MVP curriculum. It is clearly not an equitable curriculum. If you were not already a star people, this isn’t going to help you get there It is seems a lot of common knowledge that I don’t think is that common How many kids don’t have a pet? How many kids have never had to board a dog? What about the Chi kid who doesn’t want to do work in group activities? What about the impulsive kid who has more social anxiety around sharing in groups? I would yell it out loud if possible, but I ll settle for: YES!!!!!! Tears, tears, and more tears. So much frustration for al of us. Last year we spent hours on daily basis trying to decipher MVP and finding potentially consistent resources that would actually help him. Literally hours each night and even more before tests and quizzes. In addit on we hired a math tutor as needed I actually had a Math teacher say "we l just try khan academy". Khan Academy does not use the same terminology as MVP. NO resources were suggested that c early aligned with the MVP lessons. Traditional teaching conveys math concepts the best so when the curriculum fails to teach, I teach so my kid will really know the best way to solve problems We even d scussed if a tutor was necessary. Math 1 was a struggle. He really thought something shame that Math 1 shook his overall confidence in the subject. as wrong with him. He is a bright child and it is a Many times their siblings have to help them because the information is not presented in a way I can help them. This was not a problem with my older children who did not use this curriculum. I guess yes, because there seems to be a lot of homework We pretty much are homeschooling our son! We have spent so much time at home on her math homework that my middle child's work is being neglected to an extent. My child often ends up in tears of frustrat on! Yes! Myself, my husband, khan academy, YouTube videos, and now a private tutor. By the way, finding a tutor is nearly impossible, they are booked. Having to pay for a tutor. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: We are spending hours every night trying to reteach what shou d have been demonstrated in the classroom. Not every student or family has the ability to do th s. And even then, we are not consistently successful. Grades have dropped to a evel of concern. Because this is a requ red class, there is no escaping this curriculum and WCPSS is doing generational damage for students attempting to graduate and/or go to col ege. If MVP continues, you wi l see fewer students coming out of WCPSS with the ab lity to use math or enter fields that require mastery of these concepts. That will be WCPSS legacy for the classes of 0 1 and beyond EVERY DAY. I should get paid by Wake county for the amount of teaching I have to do at home. Hard to he p when don’t understand it myself. Every day. Luckily, she is my fifth kid, so she’s my second one to have MVP for math 1. I understand the curriculum and can help her. Additionally I am a sc entist, so math is second nature to me. Other kids aren’t so lucky. They have no one to help. Affluent parents hire tutors. Low SES families may be able to access free or low-cost tutoring, but I am unaware of these programs. Time and money driving her to a tutor. We have a full time tutor 3 times per week. Sometimes Depends on the lesson I do not mind helping at home but when the child has no clue what to do that is a problem I have had to hire tutors. Please get rid of MVP No only me but out side math tutor . My student get the assistance but once test is taken and graded it’s as though his/ her understanding or the taught method is equivocal. The teachers interpretation and student interpretation is not the same. I dont consider this a negative. He actually wants he p now instead of just giv ng up. An hour a night. I spent all of last year reteaching every day's math work. 180 hour of nstructional t me in one school that as the parent have had to provide This is after my ch ld went to class every day, stayed for every review, and watched the online videos several times each. Good thing my husband and I are college graduates and my oldest son in majoring in computer science at NCSU. Otherwise, we'd have been lost. Any student without these advantages is being steamrolled by WCPSS Absolutely ...makes me wonder what they actually learn at school. YES! Need a new curr culum with a we l-written MATHEMATICS TEXTBOOK. Kids aren't being taught at school and many parents don't have the ability to help at home!! I can't comment because I don't know what the MVP curricu um is. I get math anxiety and wou dn't be able to help them anyway. I encourage them to go to tutorials and find or get help from their teachers. Both my kids and their friends express their daily frustration with the school, their teachers and the curriculum. Late nights, extra tutoring. Endless I have to look up videos and use an app to help him with his homework He has to have 1 on 1 tutoring every week (I would do times a week if we could, but his tutoring center was flat out BOOKED this year due to the demand for math tutoring). He also goes to student tutoring at lunch. Why has he gone from being able to manage his math work fairly independently to needing so much help outside the classroom? I blame the curriculum and the way it is taught. Yes, we've had to employ the help of a tutor. I TRY!!! Hiring a tutor has happened and we il see hopefully soon if the tutor helps. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Same amount In addit on, had to get a tutor See my other comments but basically I need to learn first, then re-teach my kid how to do things. This is basically always the case, not rarely Every day we go over what was taught in class, watch the video I re-explain and then he practices problems. It may be better, but more work for me for sure. Plus pay additional tutoring fees $45/ hour, two t mes a week And this s because the tutor is SUPER booked with other students who are struggling due to this horrible curriculum. Someone needs to help the students of Wake County and FAST. Such a disgrace that this is allowed to go on. He’s at a level in math that I don’t understand. Spend money on a tutor for a chi d who had NEVER needed a tutor We have paid for a tutor both years my daughter has been in MVP math. This year in Math 2 we are paying for pr vate tutoring, she stays after for the tutor ng our school offers and my husband also helps her. My child is independent and may be using the resources to assist with her homework But we’re not even able to help, because t’s not normal math anymore. Can’t even understand it ourse ves. Rid culous! I shouldn’t be the one teaching him Math teachers are certified in teaching math Let them teach I was a high school math teacher and could rarely help my math 2 child. The way everything is presented and all mixed together is ridiculous. They need to learn math sk lls, not whatever this MVP is trying to teach (which is actually nothing because the kids aren’t earning anything). She is currently ith a tutor for $45 per hour - we are not able to help her with this Math. Spend lots of hours at home doing homework. Needing help from older sib ings or parents. I've had to help my son since he isn't taught what he needs to know. I ve also had to pay a professional tutor who supplements the curriculum a ton since MVP is so lacking. We have a math tutor to fill in the gaps 1-2 t mes per week at home. In addit on to need ng our help at home, our daughter has also had to attend tutoring after school twice a week since she has been taking Math Admittedly, I didn't understand the complexity of MVP curriculum for my son s first 2 courses. For Math 3, I spent several hours to learn how to use the WCPSS material and sit with him nightly to review material. I am a Project Manager by certification and trade. I have a Master of Business Administration, Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering (with a mathematics minor). I should be able to sit with my child and review the material, but had to spend a lot of time to earn the MVP system. Much more time is spent by parents, many hire tutors to make up for the lack of instruction. The amount of time and money we spend on a formerly high honors students work is insane. We've had to hire tutors because at this po nt, it's been 20 years since I have partic pated in this level of math and I am not equipped to be my child's math teacher. We a e fortunate enough to be able to afford a math tutor This curriculum has left a much bigger social/economic gap The well off parents In the county are all paying tutors. What are the parents that can’t afford tutoring doing? Their children are failing and not learning the material. It s disgraceful that we are not providing a decent public school education. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Homework is now family time as e work together to teach the math since curriculum has errors typos and no books to refer back to. So I teach them how to use Google to find missing info and how to solve. Please remove this math! Similar to ear ier classes, I spend a l ttle time listening to my chi d walk through a problem. Teaching is more accrurate My daughter has a ways struggled ith math - and I have always helped at home. This curriculum has made it more difficult for me to help her - there is not enough information in the workbooks and the videos are tedious. The block scheduling has helped her to have more classroom time to practice, so she does less at home (and I have been called in less to he p her) this year, but I am very concerned about retention being a issue for her - and that wi l affect her test scores. I can't help her. I have to pay for help. I am not always able to help my child at home , because I am not good at math. To help my chi d I have to hire expensive tutors . And we have had to pay for private tutor ng sessions. I am hiring a private teacher to help m child catch up in math We now have to pay for tutoring since the curr culum in school is set for failure Needed help at home nearly every night, plus a tutor. He’s gone to before school help, lunch help, after school tutoring, and a hired tutor. No one class should take this insane amount of time. I reteach everything. The teacher he has now has given us more information than other teachers which makes it easier as an adult with a college degree to reteach the concepts. getting tutors and have them ask for more help at school Math shou d be math. I get the critical think ng need, but who came up with this program? Direct instruction and practice is needed. There are other ways to create crit cal thinking opportunities vs having kids teach themselves via support videos, resources and the alternative of p ivate tutor ng...which is expensive. The $6-$8k for private school is starting to look more appealing. College is important to us...and so are grades with the compet tive atmosphere of admissions. No she goes to a tutor. I try to help, but really can't. My husband could help but travels a lot for work. My 13 year old was on his own trying to teach himself math since it is not taught at school. I am routinely trying to help her understand her math. This usually happens after I see her staring at her workbook with tears in her eyes. I often have to give my child a lesson on how to solve the problems because she tells me that her teacher assigned the ork ithout teach ng it first. The methodologies for solv ng problems is not based on mathematically concepts I'm familiar with like formulas but rather on visualizations and shortcuts. 'm concerned that this MVP approach wi l be detrimental to her in the future. When I try to help with homework I am prohibited from showing her how to solve the problems with traditional approaches because that's not how problems are set up or taught Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child’s father had to re teach his mathematics 3rd and 4th quarter. Wasn’t a positive experience for my child. Almost every evening and at least 1 hour....sometimes 2. But only because I have to teach myself the MVP way first so I can then teach it to her, so she can show her work correctly. Our sons receive math enrichment education from the Russian School of Mathematics. We invest thousands a year out of pocket for this. I attribute their success in math to the Russ an School of Mathematics Not my daughter - but my son who s in middle school will struggle terribly under the MVP model unless he gets a lot of help at home and with tutors. I can't do math well myself. But that is why we have school - I'm supposed to be able to trust that teachers can teach my chi d. It’s a new school so no comparison to past. N/a has t yet had math this year but w ll be coming in spring and will know then It is hard for me to help because this was not stuff I was taught and he isn’t sure what to do so we both are lost I personally can not help her but have had to hire outside tutors which is both costly and time consuming and with tutoring 2 times a week We're often having to teach the core concepts He now has a tutor 2 days a week. not able to compare, not sure hen rolled out. Have been hiring a tutor so he can pass math class We have had to hire a tutor who is trying to learn this bogus curriculum as we l I pay a math tutor We log a lot of hours helping, tutoring, encouraging. Again, the resources to help are very limited. Even when using mathisfun.com and kahnacademy com, we struggled to find help with the curriculum. See comments above Please understand that I while I have not had to personally help M child with her math homework, employees from my company have had to help other parents’ children... sometimes multiple times a week w th a single student. I'm not sure if it s a reflection of tougher math vs curriculum I do know that he has no book to look back at for explanations on how to solve math problems which has been difficult. Yes and have hired a tutor. Unsure Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My husband helps out occasiona Iy. Q12 - Since the MVP math curriculum was implemented in my child's school, my child has spent more time working on math assignments/homework. Yes No 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 2200 # Field Minimum Max mum Mean Std Deviation Variance Count 1 Since the MVP math curriculum was implemented in my child's school, my child has spent more time working on math assignments/homework. 1.00 2.00 1.23 0.42 0.18 2,643 # Field Choice Count 1 Yes 76 66% 0 6 2 No 23.34% 617 2643 Showing rows 1 - 3 of 3 Q22 - Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Please add any additional comments on the above topic: He did not spend more time on homework during MVP Math 1, but he has during MVP Honors Math 2. You should drop MVP. It frustrates the students and the parents hate it. Hello. I don't know if you are aware but this survey is available to anyone, regardless of whether they have a student in the WCPSS or not, whether they live in Wake County or not; or whether they are a resident of North Carolina or not. How do you account for that when evaluating the results? I am leaving my name and address not because I expect a response, but to legitimize my comment. Bruce Stephenson My child has become so disillusioned and frustrated he chooses to NOT do the work at all. Sad to have bright children who are failing because of failed programs and policies. Math tends to give them the most homework time At least double I'm glad Wake County is evaluating MVP math. But we are spending more money on a program we already paid for to find out how bad it is. Why wouldn't Wake County have searched for other school districts that have high math scores and try to emulate what they do instead buying into an unproven math experiment. It makes me wonder if someone at Wake County was getting a kickback/paid for pushing/adopting such a program without any proven positive results... But I don't know if that's just because it's 7th grade. Have never heard of the MVP math Curriculum before being asked to take this survey. I WANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM PLEASE. Trying to teach themselves the math I disagree with paying a 3rd party for this service. Are we not paying school administration officials to do this? A private company doesnt necessarily have the best interests of my child in mind. They exist to make money. Why is this needed? Why cant the school system do this? Also - I am aware that this company attempted to sue a private individual who spoke negatively about them. Is this the kind of company that WCPSS wants to be affiliated with? I have no baseline to compare to She is so confused and cannot do the work so we had to hire a tutor. When she goes to school the teacher says we are moving on so she still doesn't learn the material. Hours upon hours... No one type of curriculum is best for each child. Why not put computers and phones to good use by letting kids choose how they learn a lesson? Individualize! It varies by topic. My child tells me that his class does not use MVP. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Same amount of time as before. unsure Homework is primarily on Kahn academy. These assignments are more of a frustration to my child than the mvp work they do in class. About the same Look at my earlier comments Again, we have only been working with the MVP curriculum for 9 weeks and for at east half that time the material covered in c ass was a rev ew for her. Our older child had the traditional Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II at another school and received As in all. He cannot even help our youngest child with new curriculum Math 3. We need to revert back to traditional math track. Has to retake. GPA dropped s gnificantly But is it more effective? See my comments above about how much t me he has to spend w th me trying to figure out how to interpret the problems. Spending far too much t me on homework and trying to grasp the concepts of MVP and has to short change other classes homework Yes 100%. As I stated above she spent countless hours teaching herself the concepts by any means possible. The hours spent with her tutor and hours she spent at school trying to get any help that as available. We spend more time on this math than prev ous years because she is not learning the fundamentals . The workbook is awful and lacks practice of the lesson. We use other websites to reinforce the esson but this is EXTREMELY time consuming . I thought WAKE COUNT was a suppose to be a great school district . I don't think so. WCPSS has fai ed its students. Wake has failed the future of these students WCPSS is suppose to educate our children and prepare them for the future. The future does not look very bright for my very smart student regarding math , her high school GPA or her college plans. MVP math curriculum is awful! Difficult to answer My daughter has always had a lot of math homework I have never even heard of the MVP curriculum. We just moved to Wake County at the beginning of the school year and have no information on this I only ask that children will be well supported and concept introduced in a simple and concise manner to mprove their learning I would say last year yes This is his first year in High school and so far no. His teacher seems to be invested in teaching them the skills to be successful NOPE, he hates his math now! Like the saying goes, "If it a n't broke, don't fix it!", Whoever sponsored this at WCPSS needs to be fired! This MVP curriculum needs to be terminated or in the very least, offered as an "optional" elective. ou should be asking for your money (tax-dollars) back for th s disgrace of a program. It has become a secret. He is frustrated at having to master subjects that the teacher has not covered or taught in class He is spending more time strugg ing and getting frustrated with the math homework. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: So far my child is able to complete the majority of his math homework during class or STAR lunch. She spends 2 hours a day on math. Thankfully, her other classes this semester do not have much home ork at all and so it has not been overwhelm ng. But this is a ridiculous amount of time for a strong student ( previous straight A's ) to spend on one subject every day. Our experience with the Math 2 class this semester has eroded our family's trust in public school education. I il be recommending pr vate school education to families in my church and commuity in Wake County if this is not corrected by next year I believe that this curriculum is more self-taught leaving less opportunities for the teachers to teach. They feel strapped in this and I think it discounts the expertise that our teachers bring to the classroom. t is also very frustrating as a parent for their understanding and success in math to dramatically change. We have about 4 to 5 sides of orksheets on average each n ght for homework including Friday. Math homework takes an average of one hour a night. Last year, my child's f rst of MVP, had to spend a ot of time on her math class compared to her other important c asses like English, Science, and Soc al Studies. She would sometimes turn in her class work and projects n a day or two late because she would take the time to teach her self the material instead of do work for other classes. I can't compare to how it was before, but he spends time on Math for sure She has been very stressed about completing all her homework and often spends hours each night orking on all her homework. I get that repetition is key to learning, but I'm not sure that the amount of homework she has is benefit ng her. My child has struggled more this year with math than he did last year, even after being moved down from Math Plus to standard. feel the new curriculum is partially to blame for this. The concepts assume too much and are also hard for parents to understand when helping the child. Too much time on math and too much stress! Thank you for conducting this survey. I hope it w ll make a difference. He spends way more time than he should considering how frustrated it leaves him. I have stepped in as a protector of his mental hea th and self esteem and said nope!! So I limit how much “more” time he is allowed to freak out and stress over it each night. There is a definite time limit to my tolerance for seeing him beating himself up over homework It would have been nice if parents were made aware of th s new program. I am unaware of this curriculum. I'm not a parent to a child using this curriculum but was still able to access this survey. You should thro this result out. Without some level of identify ng information your survey is poor at best and the resu ts are possibly completely false and manufactured by MVP or anyone e se Ultimately, teachers should be teaching students. We shouldn't be us ng screens given the negat ve effects of screens on kids bra ns social and emotional health and more. Harder, more advanced Math class should involve more homework time so I don't see this as a result of MVP. My children have spent considerable additional time working on math BUT NOT SCHOOL ASSIGNED WORK My children came home with little to no homework (and itt e to no idea what the expectations were of them in the classroom.) The extra work was due to us (the parents) requir ng the work because we saw how deficient the school (MVP) curriculum was. There's so much homework, we can t tell. Improper resources, instructions and teaching has made homework unnecessarily excessive. Unsure if it increased or decreased his time spent working on Math s nce we can not fairly compare it to any previous program. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Definitely when the lessons are long and confusing. MVP might be a good supplementa tool to be paired with traditional textbooks hich prov des a good foundation. To build a solid math foundation for future study in STEM, MVP is not solid at all not thorough. You don’t earn math just to solve a few problems, you need to earn the concept from the fundamental theory, being able to apply the knowledge to al real world situations. I am spending more time on help ng m child and many nights up until 11pm More than 7th grade This is the 3rd year my child has been using this math curriculum and the math has not gotten any better. It is frustrating because it does not use basic math principles. I don t understand why this math was approved for the Wake County schools and looking ahead I don't expect to see this math in college. In my question and answer with other parents and students, I have not found one person to take the side of the MVP math and feel it is n the r best nterest for a quality math education. Yes because she does not understand t and needs extra help - see al above comments. Again - nothing to compare too. He had daily math homework in middle school (Math 1 & 2) but none for Math 3. fold more time Final Comments Its time to make a change If you are listening it should be clear There were hundreds of parents at our school with the same concerns I've learned over the years that when the numbers of employees complaining are large, there is usually a prob em that the leadership team needs to address. I said this before, I don't think the teachers are to blame, I do think MVP math has to go immediately Thank you for asking the questions and listening to our feedback. The book seems to be a good resource, according to my son’s experience. Hours more per day - it is interfering with life and emotional balance. only when they understand what they're doing otherwise they just can't get through it! If Wake County continues to imp ement MVP there is going to be a huge decl ne in math scores. Parents are leaving Wake County because of this and putting their children in Charter schools or private schools Math teachers are also leaving Wake County and taking pay cuts just so the will not have to teach w th MVP. I am an nnovative teacher and will always to what is best for the students. I will retire before I teach with MVP NO WAY, NOT GOING TO DO IT! Wake County should be ashamed of this decision. We need to let teachers go back to doing what they know is best for the students. I cannot answer, as we are new to WCPSS. He said he has less homework but they do a lot more work in class and his class-time is longer. And hours and hours.. ... Hours! My son spends a frustrating amount of time on his math assignments and lots of after school tutoring. He is a bright kid and one of the lucky ones. We had no issues with mathematics until MVP My son has struggled this entire year so far in Math only and he was identified as AIG for Math in 3rd grade. He is frustrated and we are not sure if it s the teacher's capacity to effectively plan and del ver the Math II content or some other unknown instructional gap. It was a l wasted time, the ass gnments and homework make no sense and are filled with errors that cause frustration and prevented learning. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: same The extra time spent on math has taken away time for her other classes. I have seen strugg es before, but never have those struggles so profoundly affected her other classes both in time spent on math and her eroding confidence. I was more proud of her getting a D in math last year given what she had to go through to get it than any A she has ever gotten. Sadly, that one D will probably prevent her from getting into her top choice college. But at least Wake County can take p ide in the fact that she is one of the guinea pigs they can look at to see if it worked The fact that it could change the path of her life shouldn't be of any concern. My child is literally staying after school right now getting help from her teacher for her test tomorrow. She will have been there three hours by the time I pick her up. As a family, we disl ke MVP Math and Open Up. Send us a survey about Open Up and 'll really give you my opinion on this multimil ion dollar waste of taxpayer funding. She simply doesn’t understand the homework and is unable to complete it math used to be my daughter's favorite homework. It was someth ng she would either do first th ng or save until last because it was something she enjoyed Now she struggles to understand what is being asked of her and to "discover" the equations and concepts that should be taught as part of foundational math. MVP math is so bad and noone knows how to help. More time TRYING to do homework, and more time with a tutor The program is fai ing to produce capab lities in our students. They have to...as it seems to me they don't get taught how to do the work at School. More time spent on math, takes time away from other subjects. The frustration that comes from working so hard to understand MVP math only to be more lost and confused is heartbreaking to see. WCPSS is failing our children. MVP math needs to go and WCPSS needs to do their jobs. I have a hs freshman and have no knowledge of the changes to the math curr culum. He spends almost an hour a day on math homework It takes my child at least 2 hours to complete homework at n ght. It is too much. Challenge s good but getting test of something you haven't learned s shorts ghted First he has to come home and learn how to do what he is supposed to be doing. My son is introverted (like the vast major ty of students) and unable to "collaborate" with his peers effectively in order to "discover" how to do the work. So he must come home and "discover" how to do the work with h s tutor who uses direct instruction to teach him the steps. WCPSS is kidd ng itself if t thinks open concept learning is effective in math. We are all just forced to find tutors to use direct instruction anyway because math is not a collaborative process unless you are working on a team of engineers build ng a bridge.... and I'm not driv ng over any bridges in the future if they are designed by MVP grads. These students are learning nothing. HOURS each night, reviewing outside sources (eg Khan Academy), talking to people who took the course, working with a tutor, wo king with a parent, us ng online resources. Her other classes therefore come last and my child is up until at least midnight EVERY NIGHT and gets AT MOST 6 hours of sleep. THIS IS UNHEALTHY AND IS IMPACTING NOT ONLY SCHOOL WORK BUT HER BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, EMOTIONAL HEALTH PHYSICAL HEALTH. This makes the $24K pr ce tag we are cons dering for private school a BARGAIN. more time not on homework from the curriculum but with extra help/looking for additional resources Less time working because they understand more. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My son as real y good in math before this program. He could get around the ridiculous common core math because he could do the steps like we taught him but with this so called math that MVP has created, wel al we can do is shake our heads. Only by being obligated by parent. Program rating is a negative number. < 0 I am thr lled that the county is doing this survey and hopeful that using a third party firm like MGT will allow the data to guide future decis ons. I hope that your methodology includes IDI with students to truly understand their thoughts and opinions Lets not loose site they they are the constituents that matter. They are the ones who have to learn in the environment created by MVP. It may not be necessary as they have spoken loud and clear on many fronts. The other thing to remember is that as parents we will will support and help our children to sometimes our own financial and emotional distress. MVP math created and unhealthy amount of stress for my daughter and bet een her and her parents. It was not only the final test scores and grades that matter but the cost of time and emotional distress that it takes to get their. In the end her grades wound up being fine although lower then the first time she took it and her final was a 92% i believe but the social and emotional tool t took to get there should a so be factored in. I will add that I am not a parent who micro manages my kids or gets involved n every element of their academic career. If anything I am the total opposite, I believe letting kids struggle and figure it out is good for them long-term and that dealing with some bumps in the road with make them stronger better students in college and then in life When my daughter is in tears, begging for help not because the concepts are to hard (she already passed all of them) but because the format of how it is being taught is so different and frustrating then we have problem. I assumed it was her and this "new" math but as I talked to other parents and students it was not just my daughter it was most kids. In life e all make mistakes and the only way to not make them is to not try something new I appreciate the county trying something new in MVP math. The unacceptable mistake would be to now not learn from the experience of the students and compound a mistake with a bad dec sion. Keeping this curriculum and continu ng to use it would be compounding a mistake with a bad decis on. I hope MGT has the strength to stand up to client and convey that and I hope Wake County takes their role of educators of young minds seriously enough to not make a bad decision 100% Working during study halls, working w peers outside the classroom as well as weekly tutors She has had to teach herself. You may as ell let all math teachers go as they are not providing instruction. It is more work trying to relearn things correctly than to teach it correctly the first time. This question should be: Has MVP required your child to use a tutor: Answer: YES Has your child ever had a tutor before: Answer: NO Has MVP cost your family extra money to facilitate proper learning: Answer: YES What would you say to families who cannot afford a tutor for MVP: Answer: I'm sorry but your child is going to suffer through this with bad grades. She spends at least double the amount of time on math homework as on her other classes. I don t mind they spend more time on math. that is good. but the issue is whether they benefited from the time they spent. Items that my child says are a waste of time This semester he is doing 6 hours of homework a night. The majority is on Math. He spend so much time on math that his AP Science class grades are suffering. Since "I don't know" wasn't an option for the survey, I will answer yes This entire program is reliant on having kids in the c ass who care and want to excel. If you don't have that, the small group activities are frustrating for the kids, and the teacher has to spend additional time with only a few kids as opposed to instructing the entire class at once The parent materials have been non-existent, and the open up resources material in particular were terrible, consisting of nothing but MORE quest ons. When I am working ith my daughter to work through poorly worded and confusing questions, providing me with even MORE of those same questions is not helpful in the slightest. The biggest failing, n my view, is that I don't feel most of the teachers have been well prepared for the new curriculum, and it was forced upon them just as much as it was forced upon the students Some teachers have risen to the occasion, but others have floundered and damaged their students as a result. Watching MVP math try to pursue legal action against a parent who ust wants his child to succeed has been embarrassing and suggests that MVP math is more interested in taking money from taxpayers and ignorant school administrations than it is in making sure the r curriculum works. General y, the approach to all of the math topics in MVP seems very roundabout and indirect. t would be better if it were just more straightforward: e.g. this is what a cosine is Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Read above - Math homework probably 80% of all 3 middle school years' worth of homework hours. Not complaining about doing work, not thrilled that to become proficient she has to put in more time than she would with previous instruction. MVP is not the right model to teach real-world application. Again, hard to tell if it's the curriculum or the jump in levels from middle to high school. Both my child and I have spent hours together as I try to teach him the math he should have been taught in school. Please STOP using the MVP workbook teaching method and have the teachers actually teach. Yes spending more time with less result. Frustrating is not even the word to describe here. Its pathetic. I don't think the teachers even know what their trying to teach. When he’s not so frustrated that he doesn’t want to do it at all. Our daughter is in Math III school about MVP. Thanks for soliciting feedback , not sure that it affects her? I have had no direct communication from the teacher or Yes I have seen my child “banging his head against the wall” over the convoluted assignments that were never taught in class and obviously were never gone over because the teachers are not allowed to teach the concepts. My high school student regularly does math homework though not excessively and has an A average in honors math. My middle schooler rarely does math homework & I have no idea how she’s doing in math until her report card arrives. I believe that NCDPI has a website with a math curriculum. It might just be free since the taxpayers have already paid for it! Then maybe WCPSS could save money to spend on repairing their schools! I have never seen my child work so hard and put in so much time on math, only to see that his test grades have still not improved. This affects his GPA negatively and is very frustrating when he is a bright child. Math at one point was my son's best subject, one that he excelled in and enjoyed. However, once he started this curriculum he has constantly been stressed out and his grades have dropped. Math has become more of a frustration than a joy. He is in Math 3 this year so it may be too late for him to enjoy a curriculum change but maybe that will help other students. Again this year he is very frustrated with his performance in this class and has recently started with tutoring in order to improve his grades which he never needed previously. It should not be this way. Very frustrating. We missed the MVP by one year. THANK GOD!! But, as a WCPSS parent and a concerned citizen, I have filled out this form. My son, to a degree has given up on math. He often complains that teachers do not teach it. That they only give out lessons with little explanation of what to do. I thought Common Core was bad....MVP is a literal nightmare He basically has to learn Math at home now. Thanks to Google and Khan Academy, we can work through the problems at home. Thanks to a wonderful Math teacher who sends out links to pages where we can find resources. NO THANKS TO MVP MATH. I know it sounds dramatic, but MVP Math has crushed his spirit and he repeatedly says he's too stupid for math now. Nothing replaces good old fashioned, time tested, techniques used in the rest of the world. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: I had no idea that they had started using a new program until my 10th grader to d me last year. The last t o years, two children who are in math 1,2, and 3 honors have had a very hard time getting the A’s they usually get. They just don’t understand what is being taught at times. I have to think that the program does not make sense or the teachers are struggling with teaching the new curriculum. It’s sad because it will be a problem for them when they apply to colleges. I do hope some changes are made soon. Math has required far more work than pre MVP with results/scores being lower than pre MVP However, the biggest cost is the loss of self confidence and frustration in my chi d. MVP turned my chi d from someone who liked and was successful in math into a ch ld who hates math and now th nks he is bad at it. Please reconsider th s curriculum. t just isn't successful or healthy for our kids. The thrown to the wolves approach has caused much frustration for our student. The addit onal time spent has noth ng to do w th achievement, it's all trying to keep her head above water. He has a terrible time understanding math now. My child spends much more time working on math assignments by herself and with a tutor. My child is fa ling a class for the first time in her life. This change has been horrible The kids struggle and are forced to try and learn complex math on Khan academy and FROM EACH OTHER> It seriously is a disgrace The board should be voted out on this topic alone. Who came up with this plan? Can’t be entirely sure. Student doesn’t seem to have too much extra. The best standard for math is to figure out what colleges are looking for and teach to that. Plus the basics. ’m willing to go digging through WCPSS website but more information about MVP would be helpful. WCPSS has never had good math standards and they change too often. They give up or become depressed Yet he STILL hasn’t mastered the concepts. Let me reiterate that he was the only student in his math 2 Honors classroom who understood everything up until about a eek ago. And this was ONLY due to the fact that he had been through algebra I and geometry at a private school. Now that he s learn ng new material through th s program, he’s lost and frustrated by math for the f rst time in 15 years Because they have to learn the topic themselves outside of class, not using MVP math curricu um, and then do the homework. If your objective was to make kids hate math - you succeeded. Many frustrating evenings trying to complete homework or studying for test/quizzes that they just can’t master. t really dominates every evenin. Long nights affecting my son desire to study and no don’t like math. Just go to the old system and get competent teachers that is the formula. I graduated from a hard university as an engineer and the school curriculum for math was not the best but got good teachers and math is math no need to invent the wheel We need to look for material all over the internet or MVP to be able to go over all that was supposed to be covered at school About the same While the MVP curriculum does not provide students with an opportunity to work a lot of problems, the problems that are prov ded take students a long time to do because they do not have a proper foundation for understanding the material. Spent way more time but only because he didn’t didn’t understand a lot of it. More times stressed mostly. lel'm add any (additional on thre above: He has spent more time because he is having to teach himself by watch ng You tube videos. He also has to spend time with a weekly tutor that is not I am not sure how much learning is actually occurring in the classroom. My child is spending significantly more time outside of school to attempt to learn the material. Much of this extra time isn't for productive work, building experience, and confidence th ough repetition but ratherjust trying to figure things out which is inefficient and frustrating. Apparently, the answers to the homework are available online by googling. My son told me about this as a last resort when he was unab to understand a recent assignment. Instead of surveying parents on the whole program how about surveying parents on specif 0 teachers? Most companies use medallia surveys as a key individual performance indicator for employees working with external contacts. I suppose if done right MVP could work but takes the right teacher. And as I noted above plenty of teachers aren't teaching, if I have to spend 100$ a week with tutors for a typical straight A student to get B's and her first this year something is amiss. How about asking for parent feedback on each class/teacher? She would spend hours learning the material and then completing the homework assignment This is to be expected, as my child is advancing to higher? evel math. If anything, he should be spending more time. What a aste of time, energy, money, emotions and the list goes on! MVP is horr ble and it should absolutely GO My has to teach herself and be taught by her my kid says .why go to math class? My kid has to do all the learning outside of school. My kid DOES learn she is stupid in math thanks to mvp. too much time. her time was unfairly spent on too much math. didn't help in math and negatively impacted other classes There is way too much emphasis on the quantity of homework. In New York much less time spent the classroom and in homework but the lessons are faster?paced and the students are more engaged. Exhaustingly and sadly yes He's in high school now sol would expect him to spend more time but the amount of me he's having to spend on math is ridiculous Before he does the practice problems he has to figure how to do the problems in the first place because, again I say, they weren't taught in class Home work is finished during lunch. Far more me, sometimes bordering on absurd, has been spent trying to comprehend the concepts Student who used to be on top of the math homework and tests is more stressed, and loses confidence. That is not a problem though. Not understanding the material is Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Math has become a community sport among my son and his peers. They use group chat, texting, and even speaking on the phone just to try to understand. Maybe this s part of a Socratic method experiment, but it is not fun on our end. We spend far more t me on math than ever before. I'm concerned that he il have a weak foundation in math and will not be prepared once he reaches higher levels. More than 5x as much time. And t shouldn’t have to be this way. It’s the complexity it causes that is inefficient. More time & mo e frustration Additional time spent looking up alternate ways of learning He has spent significantly more time, learned less, and become discouraged with math and school same as last comment Teachers are not prepared to facilitate learning under this approach to math I know nothing about t. The type of work was different. Instead of many repetitive problems, it was more concept review and examples. See comment above My child regularly spends 90 minutes on math homework each day - work ng the problems and receiving supplemental instruction from me. My child spends 2 hours on the weekend receiving supplemental instruction She has homework but not excessive. It’s a reasonable amount of homework. My child’s frustration with math has increased and it has caused us to take him out of honors math. Nuf said. MVP sucks. He has fewer problems and additional resources fo support at home f needed. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MVP MATH IS 3 days a week 1 hour each session of tutor. Any suggestions of who wants to pay this bill?? Sadly other c asses suffered because he didn't have the time to study and put the needed time into them (once again a hit to the GPA) because he/we were researching and struggling to figure out how to do the math homework that had absolutely nothing to do with the work they did in class OR nothing to do with what was on the quizzes or tests! My children did MVP math for Math 1 in 7th grade, NCVPS for Math 2 in 8th grade, and who knows hat their curriculum will be next semester for Math 3 as freshmen. NCVPS has been, by far, the absolute worst math experience my children have endured. MVP math is a gift from heaven compared to NCVPS. I’m unsure My child had a substitute for 3 weeks, did not understand the lesson and had no one to go to to ask As an a l a student this is extremely frustrating and adds unnecessary pressure and stress as his grades were reflected. How is it fair to be self taught at 15 with no help? I can t imagine how others who are not A students do it Bring back teach ng! Yes, extensively more time. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Overall, I don't think this is an eff cient way of teaching Math in schools. My child has always been an excellent student of Math and s nce he has started on MVP, he has been struggling and feels frustrated. The worst part is he does not enjoy Math, the one subject he used to like. MVP is not a good substitute for traditional teaching methods. My child agrees that all his friends are having similar experience. MVP should be removed from our schools. He has spent more time try ng to figure out how to do the problems Hours and hours every night! My ch ld despises math now, and he’s always en oyed it. We have had to get our child a tutor as this curriculum is diff cult for those that aren’t naturally good at math or aren’t self starters. He also got a tutor My child has had to do her work over several times because she can't get it to turn in. She also has to have a cell phone to turn it in. What do kids do who don't have cell phones? Do you care about that. I doubt it. I also doubt that you read this information either, but thank you for letting me vent. I suppose it is the "least" you could do. This is not a good curriculum please listen to students and teachers. Too much time is spent t ying to learn concept Not happy with this system at all !! My children have had to teach themselves and what is taught is not the same on the test. There is not enough repetition and practice. Our math tutor had to employ other prob ems and used other techniques which ere successful to teach the same concepts. Too much time. Let the professionals in our school educate our children. MVP is a losing program Cut it before it develops more problems for our kids i have not seen any homework No HW. There are no study materia s!!!!! I don t know what the would have spent since the MVP was already in place when they started at the high school I know that my kids have been frustrated because they often don't understand how to do the problems. Constant failing grades and struggles to try and improve t and catch up. The test and quizzes are not reflective of the work Test are usually only 5-7 questions that are more narrative then doing actual math problems. My child went from being a A student in math, to a frustrated C student. It’s a huge added stress to a teenage girl which is not needed. She probably won’t get an A, which will stress her out like you would never understand. I would be thrilled if this program as discontinued. Math doesn’t seem very challenging Honestly I’m confused about the whole thing. My child does not need help from us with math My daughter spent 4 hours each night on math and was also often tested on material that was not covered The teacher made concessions by giving extra points and allowing make-up opportunities to appease students and parents, but these seemed contrived. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: She hardly has t me for family and extracurricular activities. Mostly because she has to find online videos to actually teach her the material Most of the curriculum is online learning, my child gets bored with it, is not challenged and struggles to do it without a push at holly ridge middle. My child at holly springs high loves the program. She spends exponentially more time It is not appropriate n my opinion I would happy to ta k to someone I will call the number on the top of the survey and offer our support Tutoring once a eek, meeting with her her teacher 3-4 times per week plus 10-15 hours just doing home ork assignments per week. This is a tricky one to answer. they dont get a lot of problems to solve; however it takes so long trying to figure out how to solve the problems. I would rather they have 30 questions to answer to reinforce the lesson taught by the teacher rather than group ork and little to no instruction. Too mich It has been an unnecessarily long time to work on an assignment each day. The Ready Set, Go sections only have ess than one third of its mater al guiding the student to learning. Double or triple the time Again frustration. My student does say that neither Her Math 1 or Math 2 teachers use(d) MVP with fidelity. They supplement the curriculum because it doesn’t explain concepts wel if at all. The example my daughter gives is that MVP will give a formula to use without explaining the how or why. I rarely see him doing math at home. I don’t know if that’s because he doesn’t have additional work or he comp etes it at school. But I believe this is do to her tutor. She spends a lot of time with him and completing work 1 on 1 About 5 times more time than ever!! He spends countless hours trying to figure it out on his own. He currently has a D in math- and is thr lled he's not failing. So yeah, this is a great program and our kids are really benefit ng please note the sarcasm here I don't know what you all are thinking Above comments apply Yes, because he has to spend time teaching himself the curriculum. Yes. Hi, I think Math curriculum in Wake county needs to step up its game by being more creative, extensive and vigorous. It will help k ds to become more compet tive and be ready for higher education not just within North Carolina but nationally and internationally. W sh the teacher would explain in more detail. That’s a good th ng. More time, but well spent. To learn the math himself outside of school Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Not much homework. HOURS UPON HOURS I would ove to see teachers teaching in class, giving homework to practice what was taught and then reviewing the homework the next day to make sure understanding the math concept was accomplished. This curriculum has worked best overall. I would say we spend 10 hours during the week at home on hwk and pay for an hour of tutoring Multiple kids so multiple amounts of money each week. All for math. We have cut out extra curriculars. This is not a healthy way to raise our students. Again, this is not a teacher teaching/implementation issue. STUD the other areas of the US that are using or have used MVP. Do the research. Drop this program, give our children a great education and live up to the positive image that WCPSS should have in NC when it comes to math. Help our children succeed by giving them the tools they need to learn. Confusing time More work is not better. Workbooks and task are so disorganized that we have to look up concepts on ine and teach ourselves. Th s can take forever with other subjects to study as well. I don t feel like they are getting an unreasonable amount of homework, but it is definitely more than in the past More time in frustration and less time mastering and building foundations of mathematics. The extra time spent did not lead to a better understanding. WCPSS needs to pick a program with resources for students and families. I hope this il be resolved before my child has to take another MVP class which I think w ll put her further behind. N/a I am saddened and shocked at the lack and level of teach ng at wake county particularly in the subject of math. This lack of teaching and coordination has altered the foundation of math learning for my children and also greatly affected standardized test scores, thus also affecting the choice of colleges to pursue. When she hits a wall & the tea s flow, I remind her how proud I am of all the work she’s putting into this & basically teaching herself high school math didn’t have to learn al of that on my own, so I’m really proud of her. It should count as an AP course really because of al the extra work that’s involved He seems to spend the same amount of time as he d d for math 1 She has spent hours daily and on weekends to understand the match curriculum. Her other classes are suffering as a resu t. Since the students are "discovering" (self-teaching) many of the topics prior to classroom instruction, the homework is often extremely frustrating and time-consum ng. More time trying to figure out how/ hy to do a thing. With much poorer results, understanding and confidence. Too much homework time. 3 hours of math is not right. Give us an old fashioned textbook I'll pay for it myself the math is so simple and my son is n the advanced class At least 2 hours a day (1 hour in tutoring) Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child is a 9th grader ho was labeled AIG in math. It is her strength. She has always had high A’s in math. I am so very thankful she has the ability to teach herself bc the HS math teacher she has this year does very little teaching. My daughter is stil making an A but she is working very hard in Math 2 googling and teaching herself. Again, understated answers available. Excessive amounts of homework (w th no instruct on and no answer key which results in study ng incorrect methods) Too many hours. It seems nothing is learned in class He doesn’t do his math homework like he should MVP is horrible. My son went from As in math to Cs and Ds. He was an Honor student for years. Worst program ever He is learning NOTHING We had to get a tutor. This curriculum is turning kids OFF math! My child has had to self teach herself on many of the units and it has taken her considerable time to work through material that was not taught in class. It has been frustrating to her. Bring back the old fashioned textbook Since most of the real learning happens at home we must spend a lot more time The homework is less but my daughter is spending more time learning the curriculum outside of school I think she would be spending time doing HW anyway Teachers should be al owed to teach. MVP is a complete joke and whomever continues to support this within WCPSS should be removed from their posit on. This will definitely impact my votes for any elected WCPSS and state education personnel. This program has lowered my daughters gpa which now means getting into their college of choice is going to be extremely diff cult. They are now ready to give up on their dream of a 4 year college because they kno that their math grade has affected their gpa. They now are feeling like they are being forced into community college. This is not fair for these k ds to be Guinea pigs when it comes to their education. You have no confidence this survey will result in any change There is too much ego and elitism at stake But just know you a e letting a lot of kids down. I’ve seen it. I am d sappointed in you and am excited to get my kid out of the MVP curriculum. This il be his last semester. Hallelujah. But pity the other kids and families that are struggling to help their kids I am a seasoned mom...5 kids, 4 out of HS, 2 in college, 2 out of college. have tutored them and the r friends through school. The most frustrating aspect of the workbooks is that they lack adequate instruction in the book and on line resources are inadequate. If the kid doesn’t get the new concept in class then he/she cannot do it at home and those at home cannot help. So there is frustrat on at home. It is because the tools are not provided by the educational institution (you guys). I hope this survey will at least cause someone to have a little humility and see that this has fa led some, and may fail many more unless you make some changes Like I said earlier, the norm has become 4-5 hours just for math homework. Extra curricular activities? What are they? He does what he can He used to and then spent more time crying and being frustrated When I visited the school for meet the teacher night I did ike the math teacher and I liked how he was very much into his job. He did explain how the 'new math' is presented. I think it is a good approach and t should be successfu . It seems that the children il learn to problem solve and learn math at the same time. I am not aware of ho many years this program has been in place. As for some of the homework from last year and the year before I did notice errors and incomplete statements in the questions. Whoever is creating the actual homework questions and perhaps exam questions needs to have them proof read and peer reviewed so the child's learning does not get stymied. Some teachers are assigning EVERY part of EVERY assignment instead of choosing the best problems for understanding for homework. When there were standard Algebra books teachers rarely/never assigned every problem in the book. This is an implementation/teacher training issue. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Yep, and my Math 1 student was recently mort fied that this as his homework word problem: "Morton was kidnapped and driven to a remote location that was 112 miles from his home. Due to his athletic abilities, he was able to walk 4 miles per hour back towards h s home." I mean, WTF?! This is not a joke. Th s is in Math 1. Yes, because if the teacher doesn't use trad tiona methods and only uses MVP then she has to come home and receive another lesson from me until she understands I just want to reiterate that we am not against the curriculum as a hole. Our frustration lies in the inability of teachers to be flexib e with their instruct on. Critical th nking skills and collaboration is so important, but sometimes students need a little direct instruction when it comes to math. I appreciate the opportunity to speak about the curriculum. Yes definitely seen this Up to 3-4 hours per night. In just math My daughter gets straight As in math and does tutoring for other students. She gets it, but is n the minority among her peers. An inordinate amount of time. More than is necessary for a subject IF it had been properly presented and explained. He spends HOURS on the computer viewing videos, etc to help him better grasp the concepts Hours of tears a night No thanks to WCPSS This is the orst th ng WCPSS has ever tried since we began in the system 13 years ago. There is not enough practice material for students to become proficient w th each unit. more time but not productive time - seems like she's trying to track how info on ho to solve the problem vs working on problems to hone the skill she ends up trying to talk to friends that are a year older for advice since so many kids in her class are in a s milar boat of not really understanding it An implementat on of an entirely new sty e of learning should start at the beginning in Kindergarten and then work it way up as the students grow. Asking high school students that have never learned math this way to switch gears in 9th, 10th, and 11th grade is a receipt for failure and MVP has proven to be an ep c fail Reinventing math is unnecessary is not helping students and is probably really helping someone(s) make a lot of money at tax payer expense! At the expense of other classes. 4.5 hours a week of tutoring plus homework and studying plus the travel time to and from tutoring sessions. This is also affecting the time available for other classes studies and extra curr cular activ ties that she can participate in. Dropping GPA by .75-1.0 point and having less time for extra curricular clubs and activities is destroying her qua ifications for col ege acceptance. Yes hours trying to figure out math wh ch makes the other classes suffer. Not to mention the a l the hours at the tutoring center! Please remove MVP! MVP is an emba rassment for ou county Why would you continue something against the enormous objection of parents and against factual data showing the failure of our students since nception? This program is messing ith our high schoo ers worst because t brings added stress of trying to maintain good grades to have the GPAs needed to get into certain schools. This is unacceptable! W th a block schedule at their high school they are mainly able to complete homework/classwork at school and get the support they need from their teachers. When it comes time to study for a test we have itt e to use Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Both of my children have no d fficulty ith math and spent appropriate time ith their homework. It dominates her homework time each night. That has never been the case before. This child is a straight A student, 5 EOG test performer. Th s math program is a disaster, and as much as WCPSS ants to lie to parents and tell us it's going to be okay, it's not. MVP is ru ning the future of thousands of Wake County students. Just ask the students- all of them in this program, not a few that are hand-picked to make the process look "representative". Initia ly this was the focus, but no matter how much time was spent on math, it never seemed to help Utilizing outside resources, spend ng countless hours trying to learn the concepts, forsaking other homework assignments, and he sti l failed at math. No we focus on the other courses and leave the math as the fina homework tasks because we are hoping the good grades in the other c asses w ll help offset the fact that no matter what, he is not efficiently or effectively learning math concepts. Time is spent trying to figure out how to answer the math questions because it is not being taught in c ass. My ch ld has to go to Kahn Academy online and try to be taught that way, and it still does not help See above Very itt e homework is given. Concepts are not taught and little reinforcement is mandated. Doing a problem in class, but not practicing it over and over again is not beneficial The VOLUME of homework is about the same - it takes more time for comprehension. My student has had to seek outside resources to teach her the material that is supposed to be covered in class. She spends more time doing the work because she is also teaching herself the material. Even then she isn't confident she is learning the right method and never receives any guidance from her teacher. Her only feedback is her grades on exams and they offer no explanation on how or where her mistakes are. She has also lost points due to her method/work being incorrect despite the MVP menta ity that there is no wrong way to get to the right ans er. This implementat on of the MVP program has been a disaster. At a time when students should be mot vated to work hard for their grades instead they are hopelessly frustrated and confused by the lack of support and guidance exhibited in and outside the classroom. Yes with very little eward for the effort My child gave up on homework because it was too frustrating. What was supposedly taught in c ass had nothing to do with the homework given. There are some eekends that my child spends an extra 7 hours doing Khan Academy to catch up on understanding that weeks lesson And spinning their heels because they were not taught anything in class. The reason for the no is that my child was so frustrated with MVP - the lack of teaching and confusing explanations that my chi d gave up and didn't even attempt the homework. We had to get a relative who is a math professor at a un versity to teach the math concepts. All of the extra attention at home and my direct instruction takes a tremendous amount of time away. Since the teachers have them for 90 minutes. I think the teachers out to be doing the direct instruction themselves. I didn t go to school to be a math teacher and don’t particularly ant to be one. That’s what we pay them for If we’re just going to have unsk lled facilitators, then let’s drop the façade about this horrible curriculum and pay for the cheaper labor. I say no, because she gave up. She was too frustrated and felt too stupid so she stopped doing the ork. I know it's a fine balance trying to provide the right amount of challenge to be stimulating, but the MVP program swung too far to the other side. Its challenge is its complete lack of instruction and support. It left may daughter high and dry without a safety net, so she just gave up and let go When she did do the ork because we made her, she spent hours on it. Looking information up on ine, watching videos, reading websites, re-watching videos.. then finally doing the work Ten fold! My sons math teacher is doing what she calls a “flipped class” this year (Math 3). Basically the kids watch videos at home every night and do 1-2 worksheets. The next day in class they do another worksheet then correct the homework and class work. It s a waste of class time. You are expecting KIDS to do the job a teacher was tra ned to do You are not providing the education out kids have a right to They need a strong foundation in order to be successful. This is NOT proving that!!! Please add any additional comments on the above topic: He has spent more time try ng to figure out the fundamentals as to what he should have been taught in class and the terminology used by MVP. It's basically coming home and teaching h mself. Depending on if there were actually any "practice" problems he may or may not have spent more time. What is really sad is Mathnasium does a much better job as a true teacher of math, and having the students believe in themselves and their ability to be successful in Math, than th s curriculum and WCPSS. There is very little homework on daily topics Lots of review and she remembers her math so that isnt hard There isnt enough real practice on the present concepts. The extra time is related to trying to understand what is being asked, not t me understanding the concepts. The curriculum is very confusing and challenging to learn. I guess yes, because there seems to be a lot of homework Insane amounts of time in and out of school spent on math. Please make a decision based on the best teaching methodology and not the $ to buy it Yes! Nightly, in tears because she doesn’t understand how to approach the prob em or understand what is being asked It's been miserable fo all of us I sure hope the universities are being informed as to why so many of their incoming freshman haven't mastered certain math concepts. "Didn t your teacher teach you that?" "No My teacher wasn't allowed to teach. We had MVP math at my schoo ." MVP is a colossal failure and should be discont nued immediately. To make up for what they are not learning in MVP Now that they've learned that they don't have to have a correct answer, just an answer written down, I'm having to go back and check the r stuff. They re demotivated and just want it to be over with. Although my children don’t understand what they are supposed to be learning. She has to Google informat on or watch videos every night. My older students just used their textbooks. She spends a l her time trying to figure out what to study, how to do the problems and usually has no idea what she will be tested on My child spends adequate time all the time on assignments. They get packets with no explanation and spend hours trying to figure it out so they can do their homework. Please get rid of MVP. Math curriculum should be tested and based on the recommendations given by HS math instructors and their students (not system administrators). I am very concerned about any curriculum that is too gimmicky, costly and fails to promote students analytical thinking real world application and approaches to problem solving. Group instruction is very difficult to ind vidualize (especially in math) and requires a teacher who is highly skilled w th group coaching. It s easy for both low performing and high performing ch ldren to fail in group learning act vities. Developmental y, teens are naturally focused on what their peers might think, hich is in itself an obstacle for group assignments/activities. My student has more homework M student has a tutor and teacher assistant to no ava l in helping with mastering MVP!! And not in a pos tive way Athletic students don t have time after practice to spend more time on one subject when they have 3 other subjects to complete as well. Their days are a ready long enough. MVP is a time hog. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: My child is up to 11pm daily trying to figure this math out on her own. And hasn't learned much by following the MVP way. But when I explained things the good old fashioned 1990s way, she managed to understand just fine. They are doing lots of staring and lost I can't comment because I don't know what the MVP curriculum is Out of all of my kids courses and teachers they ONLY complain about MATH!! ! THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES! Not working on the homework but trying to earn hat s not being taught. She can spend up to hours looking up resources for how to finish the ork assigned, s nce there are no useful resources availab e. And then fails anyway MVP is not serving our students well. Over and over hear stories of students who are not learning what they need to learn. They are frustrated, discouraged, and many feel like giv ng up. We had to provide private turoring to help support our student and help her regain confidence in math. MORE t me spent on math!!! The math team in 7th and 8th grades has done a poor job of inc uding parents in what is going on in class. Class scores reflect the poor commun cation. Actually the repetition of practice has decreased In truth, I spend more time and my kid spends less time. He often cannot do problems without help, so I need to learn what he should know so I can show him how to do it. He then usually has very few problems to do at home and can finish them quick y. So more on me, but not more on him., Again, this is just an absolute ridiculous situation that the board has put our students in. Look at the REAL numbers, the REAL facts, the REALITY that our children are so stressed and struggling. SO many of them. This isn’t just a handful. And worked with school and outside resources...this should not be such a frustrating change for a HS trying to get their best scores! Frustrating time that didn’t leave the student feeling like they understood the lesson In Math 2 my daughter has pages of homework in the evenings. My children often spend hours and still end up with poor grades because it is not been taught well Really, I (the parent) spend more time on math than I ever had before. Way too much time... and I can’t imagine hat ife would be l ke if they played sports and/or had jobs! Homework is to reinforce what is learned n class, not to try to teach yourself the material or be taught by a parent or tutor because the teacher didn’t do it. She goes into school early every morning at 6:45 for he p from the teacher along w th 30 other students - and stays after on the help days - longer on homework due to lack of teaching - many nights crying out of complete frustration- we are trying to help her the best ay we can and unfortunately makes you feel ver inept as a parent Please add any additional comments on the above topic: He has spent more time being frustrated by not being able to do the homework or prepare for the tests on his own. We have had to pay an outside tutor to deliver nearly all the Math content since he doesn't get it in the classroom. So yes he is spending more time on Math but much of it is frustrat ng to him since he is having discover or learn so much on his own or from the tutor. IT IS CRAZY TO NOT HAVE MATH TEXTBOOKS PROVIDED TO STUDENTS AS A RESOURCE TO LEARN AND PRACTICE....TO STUDY!!!!! ! COLLEGE MATH COURSES WILL HAVE A TEXTBOOK! MOST STATES KNOWN FOR GOOD PUBLIC SCHOOLS UTILIZE MATH TEXT BOOKS SOME PROMINENT COMPANIES REFUSED TO EXPAND THEIR OFFICES OR MOVE HEAD QUARTERS TO RTP DUE TO THE EDUCATION ISSUES!!! !! Overall, my son has avoided math homework because of his lack of confidence and frustration w th knowing what to do. We have started a nightly revie where I teach him the concept covered and review his work items. I am bas cally teaching him math, not the classroom. Please rep ace this program with a more teacher/instruction based program ith rigor, help build confidence in math skills. MVP is hurt ng our students. This program is a catastrophe. END IT NOW! We spend more time and money having a tutor actually teach the subject, since it isn’t taught in school. To clarify, he spends more time trying to figure out what the problem is asking And then the class moves on, assuming he s learned the material when he hasn't. Parents/students aren't allowed to see old tests and learn where m stakes were made. The class doesn't review the test, even if most kids got 3/4 of the test rong ... and about 1/2 got an A/B grade! MVP has been a nightmare. MVP blocks parents on Twitter, FB and sued though the data shows the parent as right. Schoo Board has written off the kids education in favor of a progressive learning style. Then WCPSS surprised when their spun data gets sorted out and it really shows schools are failing kids in math This has been a terrible exper ment in the kids, teachers and schools with so much wasted money. There has to be a midd e ground for teaching math where the kids succeed and love it again. More time especially due to low confidence no and having to use MULTIPLE sources just to get work completed. The struggle is real guys. Get rid of this math! We chose Wake county schools when we relocated here I am now regretting my decision Please hear us as parents! This is NOT the program we need!! PLEASE LISTEN!!!! There have been a few assignments where my ch ld has been stuck on a small part of an assignment due to not fully understanding a concept. My child has always experienced success n math since the concepts in lower levels of math are much more intuitive. My child sometimes expects the same evel of ease and experiences frustration due to my chi d's unrealistic expectations Instead of being willing to ask questions in class, my child will spend more time on the assignment expecting to figure out how to do the work. 3-4 hours a night. We can't sign him up for outside activities because he's spending so much t me on math homework. This is not a life. I honestly think there s not enough pract ce time. Spending mo e time, and increased frust ation We need to be wo king to make more girls nterested in math, not discouraged My child is spending more time attempting to catch up than not only it affected is math grade but also other classes grades since he is spending more time on math trying to catch up. The worst part is that she thinks she understands what is being taught in class, comes home completes her homework, goes back to class only to learn that everything she thought she understood was false. Th s is a pattern that is repeated day after day and has to stop I have no idea when it was started. Because it isn’t taught in the classroom by the teacher. A ridicu ous amount of time. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: This is because it is more confusing. A lot of this cirriculum depends on the quality of the teacher Child goes to weekly tutor. Yes, 4 to 5 hours a night. We will most l kely have to hire a tutor for $60 a week. That means my son il have to give up guitar lessons and sumner camp. The homework assignments are not excessive, she just hasn’t been taught how to do it She is constantly confused and doesn't get enough explanation in the classroom My child had an extremely large amount of mathematics homework. Too much... Because the MVP curriculum forces them to go about problems the longest way possible. There was nothing wrong with the way math use to be taught. There's nothing wrong with keeping it simple. I want my child to learn to think out of the box too but math is not the course where you do that. The MVP Curriculum is ridiculously crazy. If kids are do ng well I can assure you the cred t is not due to the curriculum. Thank a patient teacher, a parent and/or a really smart k d. Th s MVP curriculum is HORRIBLE and needs to go . There seems to be a lot of busy work, but not r gorous work. This is a new school so don’t have past years to compare Please go back to traditional teaching methods and not this non sense to help lazy teachers. Way to much time- 3-6 pages 4 nights a eek Between the tutoring, multiple assignments quizzes, tests she has very little tiem for other classes. Since MVP doesn't do a good ob of demonstrating the fundamentals, my children have struggled to learn those on their own (or with our help) They have spent more time trying to figure out how to do the homework since it wasn't sho n in class and the resources and teacher websites are horrible examples. General y 2-3 hours per night ust in math. Violation of school board policy. Three other honors classes and two varsity sports makes for a very unhappy and tired home life not able to compare, not sure hen rolled out. He has spent more time working because it s confusing and we have had to hire a tutor for him. It hasn’t been a good thing! Not only is it tak ng more time my student has been more frustrated. My child never has homework See comments above AGain, not sure if this has to do with new math or curriculum My son has been much more frustrated by Math as well. Please add any additional comments on the above topic: Unsure Homework is typical so I wouldn't say it's any more than normal. End of Report