Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 1 of 138 537 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, : : Criminal Action Plaintiff, : No. 19-CR-018 : : JURY TRIAL - DAY 3 : Afternoon Session vs. : : Washington, D.C. : November 7, 2019 ROGER JASON STONE, JR., : Time: 1:40 p.m. : Defendant. : ______________________________________________________________ TRANSCRIPT OF JURY TRIAL HELD BEFORE THE HONORABLE AMY BERMAN JACKSON UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE ______________________________________________________________ A-P-P-E-A-R-A-N-C-E-S For the Plaintiff: JONATHAN IAN KRAVIS, Esquire MICHAEL JOHN MARANDO, Esquire ADAM C. JED, Esquire AARON SIMCHA JON ZELINSKY, Esquire U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia 555 Fourth Street, NW Washington, DC 20530 (202) 252-7698 Email: Jonathan.kravis3@usdoj.gov Email: Asjz@usdoj.gov Email: Michael.marando@usdoj.gov Email: Adam.Jed@usdoj.gov For the Defendant: Bruce S. Rogow, Esquire Law Office of Bruce S. Rogow, P.A. 100 NE 3rd Avenue Suite 1000 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 767-8909 Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 2 of 138 1 Appearances continued: 2 For the Defendant: 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 538 ROBERT C. BUSCHEL, Esquire TARA A. CAMPION, Esquire Buschel & Gibbons, P.A. 100 S.E. Third Avenue Suite 1300 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33394 (954) 530-5301 Email: Buschel@bglaw-pa.com Email: Campion@bglaw-pa.com GRANT J. SMITH, Esquire StrategySmith, P.A. 401 East Las Olas Boulevard Suite 130-120 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 328-9064 Email: Gsmith@strategysmith.com CHANDLER PAIGE ROUTMAN, Esquire Law Office of Chandler P. Routman 501 East Las Olas Blvd. Suite #331 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316 (954) 235-8259 Email: Routmanc@gmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Court Reporter: Crystal M. Pilgrim, RPR, FCRR Official Court Reporter United States District Court District of Columbia 333 Constitution Avenue, NW Room 4700-F Washington, DC 20001 Email: crystalmpilgrim@gmail.com Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 3 of 138 TABLE OF CONTENTS 1 DIRECT 2 3 Michelle Taylor 5 By Mr. Kravis 6 By Mr. Rogow 7 Randolph Credico 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS On behalf of the Government: 4 8 539 By Mr. Zelinsky 585 540 594 Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 4 of 138 540 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S (1:40 p.m.) 1 2 THE DEPUTY CLERK: 3 Your Honor, calling criminal case 4 Number 19-18, United States of America versus Roger Stone. 5 Stone is in the courtroom. THE COURT: 6 lecturn, that's fine also. (Jury present.) 9 10 THE DEPUTY CLERK: 11 THE COURT: Jury present. All right, the defense can proceed. 12 Everybody can be seated. 13 cross-examination. The defense can proceed with And I just want to remind the witness you're still under 14 15 Let's bring the jury in. Mr. Rogow, if you want to get yourself ready at the 7 8 All right. Mr. oath. All right, you can proceed. 16 CROSS-EXAMINATION 17 18 BY MR. ROGOW: 19 Q. Good afternoon, Ms. Taylor. 20 A. Hi. 21 Q. I'm Mr. Rogow. 22 the exhibit book that we've gone through this morning. 23 might keep that handy, and I'll get to the questions in a 24 minute. 25 A. Okay. I'm going to ask you some questions from So you Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 5 of 138 541 1 THE JUROR: We can't hear you. 2 MR. ROGOW: Is this better? 3 THE JUROR: Yes. 4 THE COURT: You need to take one step to your right. 5 Try that. Now you're in front of it. 6 BY MR. ROGOW: 7 Q. Start over, Ms. Taylor. When did you leave the FBI? 8 9 A. My last day was August 2nd of this year. 10 Q. When you left the FBI, had you done any work on this case, 11 on the book that we have in front of us today? 12 A. Did I make this book or -- 13 Q. No, did you do any work in putting it together at that 14 point? 15 A. No. 16 Q. So all that you've done with regard to working on this 17 book and putting together the information in this book happened 18 after you left the FBI? 19 A. Yes. I think I understand what you're asking. 20 THE COURT: 21 THE WITNESS: Did you put this book together? I did not put this book together. I 22 saw this book before -- a form of this book before I came in 23 here today, but I did not create this book. 24 BY MR. ROGOW: 25 Q. Before you testified, you had not seen the whole book. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 6 of 138 542 1 A. I saw a version that was very close to this. 2 Q. Had you gone over the exhibits before you testified? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. So you were familiar with the exhibits that you were going 5 to be asked about? 6 A. Yes, I was. 7 Q. Let me ask you about some of them, and let me take you 8 through. 9 because that will just add additional time. 10 I'm not going to ask you about the exhibit number I'm going go in the same order that the book has. THE COURT: 11 Now, for the record, if you're talking 12 about an exhibit, we're creating a transcript and so you need 13 to direct your attention to the exhibit number or the 14 transcript won't later make it clear what you were talking 15 about. MR. ROGOW: 16 All right, I was trying to save some 17 time, but I'll do it that way because that is the right way for 18 the record. 19 BY MR. ROGOW: 20 Q. 21 in your book as Number 2. 22 A. Tab 2 or Exhibit 2? 23 Q. Tab 2, yes. 24 A. So Exhibit 148? 25 Q. Exactly. So let's start with what is marked as Number 2. This is Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 7 of 138 543 1 A. Okay. 2 Q. And Exhibit 148, as I recall from your testimony, are 3 telephone calls; is that correct? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And these telephone calls which took place on 6/15/2016, 6 correct? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. How many are there? 9 A. On this page there are three, but to be clear, I testified 10 that these actually happened on 6/14/2016, because of the time 11 conversion. 12 Q. I remember when you took us back in time on that. Do you know what was said in these telephone calls? 13 14 A. I don't. 15 Q. Flip the page, this is Exhibit 148 -- 16 THE COURT: Let me just ask -- 17 MR. ROGOW: -- page 2. 18 THE COURT: -- Mr. Rogow, are you making an effort, 19 or have you decided to dispense with having them on the screen 20 while we talk about them? 21 MR. ROGOW: I am dispensing with that, Your Honor. 22 They have already been on the screen, so I want to take her 23 through these exhibits, have her explain what they are, then 24 ask my question about the exhibit. 25 THE COURT: All right, I think from the looks on the Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 8 of 138 544 1 jurors' faces that it could aid their comprehension of your 2 questions if they could see what you're talking about when 3 you're talking about it. 4 to show it to them. 5 the screen if you were having technical difficulties or if this 6 was your decision. It's your choice, if you don't choose I just couldn't tell from the flashes on 7 MR. ROGOW: No, this is my decision -- 8 THE COURT: All right. 9 MR. ROGOW: -- that I want to take them through each 10 of these exhibits that have already been shown -- 11 THE COURT: Yes. 12 MR. ROGOW: -- and the exhibits are in evidence in THE COURT: All right, then you must -- so that if 13 the case. 14 15 the jury wants to look at them again in light of the 16 cross-examination when it has the benefit of the exhibits in 17 the jury room, please refer to the exhibits by their name, 18 which is the exhibit sticker not the tab in the binder. 19 MR. ROGOW: I will do exactly that. 20 THE COURT: All right. 21 MR. ROGOW: This was Exhibit 148 that we were looking 23 THE COURT: Okay. 24 THE WITNESS: 22 25 at. BY MR. ROGOW: Correct. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 9 of 138 545 1 Q. Exhibit 148, page 2, has more telephone calls; is that 2 correct? 3 A. That is correct. 4 Q. How many more are there? 5 A. On this page, eight. 6 Q. Eight calls? 7 A. Eight calls. 8 Q. Do you know what was said in any of those calls? 9 A. I do not. 10 Q. If you turn to the next page in Exhibit 148, which would 11 be page 3, there are more calls; is that correct? 12 A. Correct. 13 Q. And do you know what the substance was or what was said in 14 those calls? 15 A. I do not. 16 Q. And Exhibit 148, page 4, how many calls are on that page? 17 A. There are no calls on this page. 18 Q. There's a long blank on that page, is there not? 19 A. Correct. 20 Q. Is there anything on that page that reflects any kind of 21 communication? 22 A. No. 23 Q. On page 5 of Exhibit 148, how many calls are there? 24 A. There are three calls. 25 Q. Do you know the substance of those calls or what was said Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 10 of 138 546 1 in those calls? 2 A. 3 elapsed time, so there was no connection between the caller and 4 the callee. 5 Q. 6 are there there, that are listed on the page? 7 A. Five. 8 Q. Do you have any knowledge of what was said in those calls? 9 A. I do not. 10 Q. Let's turn to Exhibit 150, which is at Tab 4. 11 A. Okay. 12 Q. What is Exhibit 150? 13 A. Exhibit 150 is the WordPress post by Guccifer 2.0 that was 14 dated June 30, 2016. 15 yesterday. 16 Q. 17 paragraph at the top? 18 A. Start with, "I don't"? 19 Q. Exactly. 20 A. "I don't want to disappoint anyone, but none of the 21 candidates has my sympathies. 22 the closet, and I think people have a right to know the truth 23 about the politicians." 24 Q. Then, if you would, turn to Exhibit 35, which is at Tab 7? 25 A. Yeah. I don't, and also would point out that they have zero And the next page of Exhibit 148, page 6, how many calls It's the second of the two we looked at If you turn to page 4 of that exhibit and read the first Each of them has skeletons in Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 11 of 138 547 1 Q. And tell us what that exhibit is, please? 2 A. Exhibit 35 is an email from Mr. Stone to Mr. Corsi, dated 3 July 25, 2016, and this was the email with the subject line, 4 "Get to Assange" -- "Get to Assange." 5 Q. Sorry. Do you know whether or not Mr. Corsi got to Assange? 6 MR. KRAVIS: 7 THE COURT: 8 THE WITNESS: 9 THE COURT: Objection. She can answer that question. I'm sorry, I did not hear what you -You can answer yes or no. THE WITNESS: 10 I don't know. 11 BY MR. ROGOW: 12 Q. Do you know anything about Mr. Corsi? 13 A. I know some about Mr. Corsi. 14 Q. Do you know that he wrote a book saying that -- 15 MR. KRAVIS: 16 THE COURT: 17 Come to the bench. (Bench conference.) 18 19 Objection. THE COURT: How is this within the scope of the MR. ROGOW: This is about Mr. Corsi. direct? 20 They've drawn 21 the inference that Mr. Corsi somehow or other was the 22 intermediary. 23 Mr. Corsi. 24 25 I think it opens the door to something about THE COURT: Well, all they did was indicate that the two communicated and when asked who he communicated with, the Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 12 of 138 548 1 only -- if he had records of communicating with anyone, said 2 no. 3 I don't think this witness has testified that Corsi was 4 the intermediary. 5 saying, "I wasn't," but if you just want to open up the 6 testimony to what this witness knows, what she knows she knows 7 through her investigation. 8 eliciting all kinds of hearsay and opinions of things that she 9 may not be foundationally qualified to testify to. 10 11 12 She can't. We have emails from Mr. Credico So first of all, you're going to be What specifically are you planning to elicit from this witness? MR. ROGOW: That they have said that Mr. Corsi was, 13 and that's their argument, that Mr. Corsi was the other 14 intermediary. 15 THE COURT: She testified that there were two emails 16 between Stone and Assange in which Stone -- I mean Stone and 17 Corsi, in which Stone was asking Corsi to do things. 18 been no testimony that Corsi, in fact, was an intermediary. There's 19 MR. ROGOW: Correct, I agree. 20 THE COURT: So you can cross-examine her testimony on 21 22 that point, but there isn't any. MR. KRAVIS: I just want to add for the record here 23 that anything Mr. Corsi would have said in a book about this 24 would be hearsay. 25 Mr. Corsi's book on their exhibit list at the pretrial And we raised an objection to the exhibit, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 13 of 138 549 1 conference on Monday. 2 that they were planning to use the book only to cross-examine 3 Mr. Corsi if he testified in the government's case. THE COURT: 4 What the defense said at that time was But he can't introduce out-of-court 5 statements by people who aren't here to be cross-examined about 6 them through other witnesses. 7 question, "do you know," she said, "I don't know," so that's 8 that. So I let you ask the one 9 MR. ROGOW: I'll end with that. 10 THE COURT: All right. (Open court.) 11 12 BY MR. ROGOW: 13 Q. 14 Manafort, correct? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And the date of that? 17 A. This is an email dated July 29th, 2016. 18 Q. Do you know when the Republican National Convention 19 occurred in 2016? 20 A. 21 before this, July 19th to 21st maybe. 22 Q. 23 a result of this email? 24 A. Do I know what happened as a result of this email? 25 Q. Yes. Tab 8, Exhibit 24, this is from Roger Stone to Paul I do. I may have the dates a little off, but it was All right, and do you know what, if anything, happened as Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 14 of 138 1 A. No. 2 Q. Was there anything illegal about Mr. Stone sending an 3 email to Mr. Manafort? 4 MR. KRAVIS: 5 THE COURT: 550 Objection. Sustained. She can't give her legal 6 opinion. 7 BY MR. ROGOW: 8 Q. You don't know what the subject was? 9 A. I don't know what happened as a result of this email. 10 Q. Look at Tab 9, which is Exhibit 36, and what is that? 11 A. This is an email from Mr. Stone to Mr. Corsi, dated 12 July 31st, 2016. 13 Q. The subject? 14 A. "Call me Monday." 15 Q. And what was written? 16 A. Mr. Stone wrote, "Malik should see Assange. 17 find Bernie Sander's brother who called Bill a rapist, turn him 18 for Trump. 19 Bill getting kicked out." 20 Q. Do you know if Malik saw Mr. Assange? 21 A. I do not know. 22 Q. Do you know if Malik was able to find Bernie Sanders' 23 brother? 24 A. I do not know. 25 Q. Do you know if Malik was able to find Eileen Wellstone? Malik should Malik should find Eileen Wellstone or more proof of Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 15 of 138 551 1 A. I do not know. 2 Q. Do you know who Eileen Wellstone is? 3 A. I don't. 4 Q. Tab 10, Government's Exhibit 164, what is that? 5 A. This is a page showing telephone toll records belonging to 6 the home phone of Donald Trump. 7 Q. 8 correct? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. And all this reflects is Mr. Trump -- at the time, 11 Mr. Trump's telephone number? 12 A. Yes -- yes. 13 Q. Tab 11, this is Government Exhibit 37, from Jerome Corsi 14 to Roger Stone, and the subject is, "In Italy," correct? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. I ask you once again, based on this email, do you know 17 whether or not Corsi ever saw Assange? 18 A. I do not. 19 Q. Exhibit 13, what is this? 20 A. Exhibit 13 or Tab 13? 21 Q. I'm sorry, Tab 13, and the exhibit is -- I don't see an 22 exhibit number on this. 23 A. 24 25 And there is a lot that is blacked out on this exhibit, Mine is not marked either. THE COURT: behind Tab 13? Does government know what exhibit is Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 16 of 138 1 BY MR. ROGOW: 2 Q. 552 This is Tab 13, and there is a page -THE COURT: 3 It's not your problem if there's not an 4 exhibit on it. The can government check its list and tell us 5 what the exhibit number is supposed to be. MR. KRAVIS: 6 Tab 13 is Exhibit 38. 7 BY MR. ROGOW: 8 Q. Exhibit 38. 9 A. Uh-hmm. 10 Q. And what does that reflect? 11 A. This reflects messages between Mr. Stone and Mr. Corsi. 12 Q. Once again, do you have any idea of whether or not 13 Mr. Corsi saw Mr. Assange? THE COURT: 14 15 Does she have personal knowledge of whether Mr. Corsi saw Mr. Assange? 16 MR. ROGOW: Yes. 17 THE COURT: That's what you have to ask. 18 THE WITNESS: I don't, and these messages don't 19 mention Assange. 20 BY MR. ROGOW: 21 Q. Go to Tab 15, Exhibit 28, please? 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. This is the email from Steve Bannon to Roger Stone, 24 correct? 25 A. Correct, it's one from Mr. Stone, one from Mr. Bannon. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 17 of 138 1 Q. And this is August 18, 2016? 2 A. Correct. 3 Q. The last line, would you please read it? 4 A. The last line of Mr. Stone's email? 5 Q. Yes. 6 A. Says, "Lots to do, let me know when you can talk." 7 Q. You don't know whether or not they did talk, do you? 8 A. I have looked at phone records. 9 but I don't know if it was right after this email. 553 I believe they talked, 10 Q. Exhibit 16 -- I'm sorry, Tab 16, Exhibit 189. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. In the middle of the page, what is the message from Randy 13 Credico? 14 A. 15 you want me -- 16 Q. 7:52. 17 A. 7:52. 18 Q. Yes. 19 A. These are text messages between Mr. Credico and Mr. Stone. 20 Mr. Credico writes, "You okay with that, I'm going have Julian 21 Assange on my show next Thursday." 22 Q. Did he have Julian Assange on his show? 23 A. Mr. Credico did have Julian Assange on his show, yes. 24 Q. The next line, which is -- go ahead. 25 A. "Kunstler wife is his lawyer or at least one of them." Can you be more specific? Is there a particular time that Mr. Credico writes -- Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 18 of 138 1 Q. Who is Kunstler wife? 2 A. That refers to Margaret Kunstler. 3 Q. Was she Mr. Assange's lawyer? 4 MR. KRAVIS: 5 THE COURT: 554 Objection. Do you have personal knowledge as to 6 whether she was or not actually his lawyer; it says that, but 7 do you know from your own personal knowledge whether she was or 8 she wasn't. THE WITNESS: 9 I do not. She was not his lawyer. 10 BY MR. ROGOW: 11 Q. Exhibit 17. 12 A. Tab 17? 13 Q. I'm sorry, I keep making the same mistake. Tab 17, Exhibit 48, the 2:32 p.m. message from Roger Stone. 14 15 A. These are text messages between Mr. Stone and Mr. Credico, 16 and on September 18th, 2016, at 2:32 p.m., Mr. Stone wrote, "I 17 am emailing you a request to pass on to Assange on another 18 matter." 19 Q. Do you know what that other matter was? 20 A. I know Mr. Stone emailed a request to Mr. Credico about 21 passing -- getting information from Mr. Assange that same day. 22 Q. 23 for information about? 24 A. In the September 18th email? 25 Q. Yes. Do you know who the person was that Mr. Stone was asking Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 19 of 138 555 1 A. He was asking for information about the State Department 2 or Hillary Clinton related to Dr. R.K. Paul. 3 Q. Do you know who Dr. R.A. Paul is? START 4 A. Based on what's in -- I have never spoke spoken to 5 Dr. Paul. 6 someone who alleges to have brokered some sort of peace 7 negotiation with Gaddafi in Libya with the knowledge of the 8 State Department, and in spite of that, the -- Hillary Clinton 9 continued the bombing campaign and Gaddafi was killed. I know, based on what's in this email, that he is 10 Q. Do you know whether or not Dr. R.A. Paul was nominated for 11 a Nobel Prize? 12 MR. KRAVIS: 13 THE COURT: 14 THE WITNESS: Objection, relevance. Sustained. I don't know. 15 BY MR. ROGOW: 16 Q. 17 message about R.A. Paul to anyone? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And to whom did he pass on such a message? 20 A. He forwarded -- we can find the exhibit if it's helpful, 21 but he forwarded the email from Mr. Stone to Ms. Kunstler and 22 blind-copied Mr. Stone. 23 Q. 24 email? 25 A. Do you know whether or not Mr. Credico passed on any Do you know whether or not Ms. Kunstler received that She did. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 20 of 138 556 1 Q. Do you know whether or not it was sent to an email address 2 that she used? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. How do you know that she received that email? 5 A. Our office spoke to Ms. Kunstler. 6 Q. And what did she tell you about the receipt of that email? 7 MR. KRAVIS: 8 THE COURT: 9 10 Objection. You're asking for hearsay. Do you want to approach the bench? (Bench conference.) THE COURT: 11 I know you're trying to get to the point, 12 but there were sent a number of emails asking for people to do 13 a number of things which may not have actually happened. 14 witness doesn't have personal knowledge of what happened. 15 She's an investigator. 16 through hearsay. 17 18 19 Anything she learned, she's learned Ms. Kunstler is going to testify. testify. This Mr. Credico is going to You can ask those people if they ever followed up. You asked her if she knew if Mr. Corsi ever followed up, 20 and I'll let her answer the question though she didn't know. 21 But what did Ms. Kunstler say, I'm not sure why you're going 22 there, number one, or why this -- why you get to ask for that 23 hearsay from this witness. 24 25 MR. ROGOW: In her investigation, if she knows -- and the question was, did Ms. Kunstler get the email? She said Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 21 of 138 1 2 557 yes, that Ms. Kunstler got the email. I asked her how she knows that, and she's the one that 3 brought in the fact that she got it through investigation and 4 talking to Mrs. Kunstler. THE COURT: 5 Right. I'm not even sure why you went 6 there. 7 proved not by just asking the investigator. 8 that happened or things that did not happen, you want to prove 9 the sources that they did or did not happen. 10 The facts uncovered in the investigation have to be If there's facts You have to ask people with the knowledge. 11 MR. ROGOW: She had knowledge. 12 THE COURT: No, she doesn't have personal knowledge. 13 She's an investigator. 14 through hearsay. 15 16 17 MR. ROGOW: Everything she learned she learned I don't know if she was present at the interrogation of Mrs. Kunstler, so -THE COURT: It would be hearsay what Ms. Kunstler 18 said to her. 19 an agent who worked at the special counselor's office to just 20 chitchat about what they learned in their investigation and 21 what Roger Stone did or didn't do or what anybody else did or 22 didn't do, you would be objecting repeatedly that the witness 23 lacks personal knowledge; they aren't competent to testify to 24 these facts under the Rules of Evidence. 25 For instance, if the government tried to put on MR. ROGOW: I will stick to -- Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 22 of 138 1 THE COURT: Okay. 2 MR. ROGOW: Thank you, Your Honor. 3 (Open Court.) 4 BY MR. ROGOW: 5 Q. Turn, if you would please, Ms. Taylor, to Tab 20 -- 6 THE DEPUTY CLERK: 7 MR. ROGOW: 8 THE DEPUTY CLERK: 9 558 What exhibit number? Exhibit 190. Can I -- I'm sorry, can you give me the exhibit number again? 10 MR. ROGOW: Exhibit 190. 11 THE DEPUTY CLERK: Thank you. 12 BY MR. ROGOW: 13 Q. Page 3, there's a photograph of Mr. Credico -- 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. -- correct? Do you know where that photograph was taken? 16 17 A. Outside of the Ecuadorian embassy in London. 18 Q. Do you know whether Mr. Credico went inside the embassy on 19 the date of this photograph? 20 A. I don't believe he did. 21 Q. Exhibit 190, page 6, two more photographs of Mr. Credico 22 at the same location? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Tab 27, Exhibit 31. 25 A. Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 23 of 138 559 1 Q. Do you know who Rebekah Mercer is? 2 A. I do. 3 available information, I believe she's a -- she was a supporter 4 of the Donald Trump campaign. 5 Q. And who is Eric Prince, if you know? 6 A. Eric Prince is an associate of the Trump campaign. 7 Q. Tab 29, Exhibit 33, what is reflected in that exhibit? 8 A. This reflects messages between Mr. Prince and Mr. Stone. 9 Q. Was Eric Prince working for the Trump campaign at this I've never spoken to her. Just from publicly 10 time? 11 A. No, he was not. 12 Q. Tab 32, Exhibit 3. 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. What was this? 15 A. This was the press release from HPSCI, dated January 25th, 16 2017, that was announcing that they had been conducting an 17 investigation. 18 Q. 19 "The scope of the committees's inquiry has included and will 20 continue to include," please read us the first bullet point. 21 A. 22 against the U.S. and its allies." 23 Q. Tab 33, Exhibit 4, what is that? 24 A. This is the rules of the House of Representatives for the 25 115th Congress. The -- near the middle of the page, the line that begins, "Russian cyber activity and other active measures directed Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 24 of 138 560 1 Q. If you would take a look at Exhibit 4, page 20. 2 A. Page 20 of the exhibit, or page -- 3 Q. Yes. 4 A. Okay. 5 Q. Does that provide the definition of the term 6 "intelligence" and "intelligence-related activities"? 7 A. It does. 8 Q. Does -- if you know, does a committee that is pursuing an 9 investigation decide the criteria for the committee? 10 A. I'm not sure I understand the question. 11 Q. Once a committee is formed, then my question is, does the 12 committee define the parameters of its investigation? THE COURT: 13 14 Do you have a basis of knowledge to answer that question about House procedures? THE WITNESS: 15 No, I don't. 16 BY MR. ROGOW: 17 Q. Tab 34, Exhibit 5, page 2. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. Under the heading, Number 4, "Open Meetings," please read 20 paragraph A. 21 A. 22 Page 2 -- what number please? 23 Q. 4A. 24 A. 4A, "4, Open meetings, A, generally pursuant to House 25 Rule 11, but subject to the limitations of Subsections B and C, "This document is the rules of procedure for HPSCI. I'm sorry. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 25 of 138 561 1 committee meetings held for the transaction of business and 2 committee hearings shall be open to the public." 3 Q. 4 meeting? 5 A. He did. 6 Q. Tab 34, again Exhibit 5, page 6, the Section H regarding 7 transcripts. 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Read, please, one and two? 10 A. "Page transcripts, Number 1, transcript required. 11 transcript shall be made of the testimony of each witness 12 appearing before the committee during any hearing of the 13 committee. Do you know whether or not Mr. Stone asked for a public "Two, opportunity to inspect. 14 A Any witness testifying 15 before the committee shall be given a reasonable opportunity to 16 inspect the transcript of the hearing and may be accompanied by 17 counsel to determine whether such testimony was correctly 18 transcribed." 19 Q. 20 the transcript of the hearing? 21 A. I don't know. 22 Q. Tab 35, Exhibit 2, what is that? 23 A. This is a press release from the Senate Select Committee 24 on Intelligence, dated January 13th, 2017. 25 Q. Do you know whether or not Mr. Stone's counsel inspected Please read the second paragraph. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 26 of 138 562 1 A. 2 oversight responsibilities, we believe that it is critical to 3 have a full understand being of the scope of Russian 4 intelligence activities impacting the United States." Do you want me to keep going? 5 6 "As part of the Senate's Select Committee on intelligent Q. That's all. Tab 37, Exhibit 7, tell us what that is, please? 7 8 A. This -- Tab 37, Exhibit 7, this is a letter dated 9 March 24th, 2017, from Mr. Stone's counsel to HPSCI. 10 Q. Would you please read the second paragraph, the one 11 beginning with, "Mr. Stone deeply resents." 12 A. 13 your Permanent Select Committee have intimated that he has 14 committed treason in his political, press and social media 15 activities. 16 these matters have come to light, he is eager to voluntarily 17 appear in open session in front of the Permanent Select 18 Committee on Intelligence without the necessity of a subpoena. 19 Mr. Stone is anxious to redress the false and misleading way he 20 has been portrayed by some on the Permanent Select Committee. 21 Q. 22 letter? 23 A. Yes, it is. 24 Q. Tab 39, Exhibit 9, please tell us what that is. 25 A. Exhibit 9 is a letter dated May 9th, 2017, from the Yes. "Mr. Stone deeply resents that several members of As Mr. Stone has repeatedly stated publicly since Tab 38, please, Exhibit 40, page 2, is that the same Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 27 of 138 1 committee to Mr. Stone's counsel. 2 Q. Do they attach something to that? 3 A. To the letter, yes. 4 the Russia investigation. 5 Q. 6 read the last paragraph beginning with, "Committee staff." 7 A. 8 client's interview at a time and date subsequent to your 9 production of documents to the committee. 563 The attachment is the parameters for Take a look at Exhibit 9, page 3, and if you would, please "Committee staff will work with you to arrange your The interview may 10 cover any topic within the publicly announced parameters of the 11 committee's investigation including Russian cyber activities 12 directed against the 2016 U.S. election, potential links 13 between Russia and individuals associated with political 14 campaigns, the U.S. government's response to these Russian 15 active measures, and related leaks of classified information." 16 Q. 17 Exhibit 9, setting forth the parameters? 18 A. Yes, that's the attachment. 19 Q. Tab 40, please, Exhibit 10, what is this? 20 A. This is a letter dated May 22nd, 2017, from Mr. Stone's 21 counsel to the committee. 22 Q. 23 May 9, 2017, letter, a quote from that? 24 This is page 2, Exhibit 10, page 2. 25 A. Was there another page attached to that, this is page 4 of Does it reflect in the indented paragraph the committee's Yes, it does. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 28 of 138 1 Q. 2 the letter? 3 A. 564 And would you, please, read that letter, that portion of That portion. "In the committee's May 9, 2017 letter, it requested any 4 5 documents, records, electronically stored information including 6 email, communication recordings, data and tangible things 7 including but not limited to graphs, charts, photographs, 8 images and other documents regardless of form other than those 9 widely available, e.g. newspaper articles, that reasonably 10 could lead to the discovery of any facts within the 11 investigation's publicly announced parameters." 12 Q. 13 letter, says what, please? 14 A. 15 electronically stored information, regardless of form, other 16 than those widely available that reasonably could lead to the 17 discovery of facts within the investigation's publicly 18 announced parameters." 19 Q. 20 which is at Tab 41, Exhibit 1? 21 A. I have. 22 Q. Would you read, please, at page 54 of the transcript, the 23 comments of Mr. Gowdy. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. This is Exhibit 1, page 54. And the paragraph following that, from Mr. Buschel in this It says, "Mr. Stone has no documents, records, or Have you read the transcript of the committee hearing Hold on one second. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 29 of 138 1 A. Starting with, "Okay"? 2 Q. "Mr. Gowdy." 3 A. "Mr. Gowdy: 4 support of any FISA warrants? "Mr. Stone: 5 565 But you haven't read the application in No, I have not." 6 Q. The next paragraph. 7 A. "Mr. Gowdy: 8 not too late. 9 things. Okay, I meant to start with this, but it's Our committee really is only looking at four You wouldn't necessarily be able to tell that from 10 some of the questions you were asked this morning, but we are 11 only looking at four things: 12 the 2016 election cycle; with whom, if anyone, did they do it; 13 what was the U.S. government's response to those Russian 14 measures; and then on the issue of unmaskings and leaks. 15 are the four pillars of our jurisdiction." 16 Q. What did the Russians do during Thank you. Then if you would turn -- page 81 of that exhibit? 17 18 A. Of the transcript? 19 Q. The portion in the middle from Mr. Schiff, "You said 20 before," that paragraph. 21 A. 22 23 24 25 Those "Mr. Schiff: "Mr. Stone: You said before --" We addressed that, and I promised to make a request. "Mr. Schiff: You said before that you would not provide that as you're here voluntarily and only under subpoena. If Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 30 of 138 566 1 it's necessary, we will subpoena you to bring you back. You 2 can save us all the time and trouble having to do that or you 3 cannot, but either way we will be prepared to subpoena you to 4 provide that information to the committee." 5 Q. 6 Mr. Stone? 7 A. I don't believe they did. 8 Q. Page 84 of the same exhibit, the exchange between 9 Mr. Schiff, in the middle of the page, and Mr. Stone. Do you know whether or not the committee did subpoena 10 A. 11 statement"? 12 Q. 13 "Mr. Schiff: 14 A. 15 no text messages, no Twitter messages pertinent to the campaign 16 or the Russia investigation? 17 Where -- do you want me to start at, "That is not a false Starting with -- this is page 84, starting with, So have you no emails." "Mr. Schiff: "Mr. Stone: So you have no emails, no written documents, Pertinent to the campaign, I think we met the 18 narrow criteria of your request precisely. 19 a more specific request, I'm happy to go back and look, but I 20 think we completely complied with your request. 21 "Mr. Schiff: If you want to make So you have no emails to anyone concerning 22 the allegations of hacked documents or your conversations with 23 the Guccifer 2 or any discussions you have had with third 24 parties about Julian Assange. 25 documents whatsoever, any kind of that nature." You have no emails, no texts, no Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 31 of 138 567 "Mr. Stone" -- I'm sorry, did you want -- 1 2 Q. Go ahead. 3 A. "Mr. Stone: 4 think we met, again, the precise criteria of your request and 5 we complied. 6 happy to go back and look. 7 Q. Go ahead. 8 A. "Mr. Schiff: 9 Mr. Stone. That is correct, not to my knowledge. I Again, if you have a more specific request, I'm But we did and --" I just want to ask you under oath, We did an extensive search consistent with the 10 direction of my attorneys, and we found nothing that met the 11 criteria that you asked for." 12 Q. 13 page 85 of Exhibit 1, and beginning with, "Mr. Schiff" -- this 14 is about six lines down -- "Mr. Schiff: 15 A. 16 want me to read the whole page? 17 Q. 18 Mr. Schiff, and then Mr. Stone again. 19 A. 20 21 You can continue on, please, to the next page, which is "Mr. Schiff" -- how far would you like me to read; do you Beginning with Mr. Schiff, to Mr. Stone's answer, and then Okay. "Mr. Schiff: Our request was as to facts within the investigation's publicly announced parameters. 22 "Mr. Stone: 23 "Mr. Schiff: 24 "Mr. Stone: 25 Our request." Yes. And so you have no documentation of any kind? I am unaware of anything that met that criteria that would have been required to be turned over." Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 32 of 138 568 1 Q. And then, please, same exhibit, Exhibit 1, turn to 2 page 108, at the bottom, beginning with, "Ms. Spear. 3 A. With, "A follow-up," where would you like me to start? 4 Q. "Ms. Spear: 5 what I'm talking about. 6 A. Okay, I'm sorry. "Ms. Spear: 7 Okay," and then all of those venues, that's Okay. And in all of those venues, you have 8 checked all of those venues to determine whether or not 9 anything within the scope of this investigation would be 10 appropriate to deliver to us, and have you found nothing? "Mr. Stone: 11 That is correct. As I said earlier, if you 12 want to make a more specific request, I'm happy to go back and 13 look again, but I believe we have fully complied with your 14 request. "Ms. Spear: 15 All right." 16 Q. Then if you would turn to page 111 -- 17 A. Okay. 18 Q. -- and in the middle -- first there's a question from 19 Mr. Schiff a little above the middle, and then a response from 20 Mr. Stone. 21 A. 22 said that you have no records whatsoever responsive to the 23 committee request. 24 you are under oath, that that is a true and accurate statement. 25 Please read Mr. Schiff question and then Mr. Stone. "Mr. Schiff: "Mr. Stone: Well, I'm not asking about usually. You I just want to be absolutely clear, since I believe the request said outside materials Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 33 of 138 569 1 that can be found in the public domain. 2 have ended up in the public domain, I wouldn't have turned 3 over, but I don't have any specific recollection of anything 4 that meets that criteria." 5 Q. That's all. And then if you would, turn to tab 42, Exhibit 13, and what 6 7 is this? 8 A. 9 Mr. Stone's counsel to HPSCI. This is a letter dated October 13th, 2017, from 10 Q. 11 paragraph? 12 A. 13 Anything that would And would you read the first paragraph and the second Sure. "Dear Congressman Conaway, as you know, I, along with 14 co-counsel Grant Smith, represent Roger Stone in the 15 above-referenced matter. 16 the interview on September 26, 2017, and in response to the 17 committee's October 2nd, 2017 follow-up email request, 18 Mr. Stone voluntarily provides the below information and 19 attached documents. 20 At the urging of Congressman Gowdy in "As Mr. Stone repeatedly stated in his candid interview 21 with the committee, he in no way conspired, colluded or 22 coordinated with any agent of the Russian State and has no 23 knowledge of anyone who did. 24 25 "Any information Mr. Stone disseminated via social media regarding the timing of the release of the DNC data or others Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 34 of 138 570 1 was from publicly available sources and was confirmed by a 2 source who had access to WikiLeaks. 3 declined to reveal the identity of that source based on 4 assurances that their communication was off the record." 5 Q. 6 Exhibit 165 -- 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. -- 1, and this is a chart, correct? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And it's a chart reflecting written communications between 11 Roger Stone and Randy Credico? 12 A. Correct. 13 Q. In looking at this chart -- let me ask you the question 14 this way: As you know, Mr. Stone has Turn, if you would now, to tab 43, Government's Was this chart the product of the government's -- the 15 16 information that the government received from Mr. Stone? 17 A. 18 from search warrants, subpoenas and -- 19 Q. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear. 20 A. This chart was put together based on information we 21 received in the course of the investigation. 22 warrant returns, toll records and subpoena returns. 23 Q. And these are Mr. Stone's records? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. The next exhibit, this is Tab 44, Exhibit 166. This is the product of information the government received So we used search Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 35 of 138 1 A. Okay. THE COURT: 2 3 571 They're Mr. Stone's records, but were they received from Mr. Stone? THE WITNESS: 4 No, not all of them, Your Honor. 5 BY MR. ROGOW: 6 Q. 7 Randy Credico in September 2017, do you see that? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Now there's a footnote in that exhibit, is there not? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. And that -- what does that footnote reflect? 12 A. The footnote says: 13 2017, i.e., the date of the hearing, were sent after the 14 hearing concluded." 15 Q. Do you know what time the hearing concluded? 16 A. The hearing concluded at about 12:30 in the afternoon. 17 Q. You have copies of all of those, do you not, the 18 government? 19 A. All of what? 20 Q. All of these communications that are in the chart. 21 A. We have records that the communications happened. 22 Q. Yes. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Tab 45, I think this is another tab in which there's no 25 exhibit mark. Exhibit 166, the communications between Roger Stone and "All messages sent on September 26th, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 36 of 138 1 A. 572 My copy also does not have one. 2 MR. KRAVIS: 3 THE WITNESS: 4 MR. KRAVIS: 5 THE COURT: This is -It's the October 2nd email. This is Exhibit 195. Thank you. 6 BY MR. ROGOW: 7 Q. Tab 45, Exhibit 195. 8 A. Okay. 9 Q. What is this exhibit? 10 A. This is an email dated October 2nd, 2017, from a member of 11 the HPSCI staff to Mr. Stone's counsel. 12 Q. Was it requesting information? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Was there a response to that? 15 A. Mr. Stone responded through his counsel, yes, on 16 October 13th. 17 Q. I'm sorry, couldn't hear your answer. 18 A. Yes, there was a response. 19 Q. From Mr. Stone's counsel? 20 A. Yes, from Mr. Stone's counsel. 21 Q. Tab 46, which is Exhibit 167 -- 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. -- this reflects what? 24 A. This reflects the number of telephonic communications 25 between Mr. Stone and various individuals from January to Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 37 of 138 1 November 2016, and it reflects calls with Mr. Gates, 2 Mr. Bannon, Mr. Manafort, Mr. Prince, and Mr. Trump. 3 Q. 4 those communications, does it? 5 A. Correct. 6 Q. Exhibit 47, you talked about earlier this morning -- 7 A. Exhibit 62? 8 Q. This is Exhibit 62 -- I'm sorry, this is Tab 47, 9 Exhibit 62. 573 This chart exhibit does not reflect the content of any of 10 A. Okay. 11 Q. The subject is, "Credico Paragraph." 12 A. Correct. 13 Q. The first paragraph, "From our letter to the House," is 14 that an accurate reflection of that letter? 15 A. 16 House," yes. 17 Q. 18 was sent, was it not? 19 A. 20 House. 21 Q. The other paragraphs are not, I understand -- 22 A. Oh, the first paragraph. 23 Q. -- but the first paragraph, yes. 24 A. I -- if you don't mind, I'll look and just compare them 25 before I give you an answer. This -- this exhibit does say, "From our letter to the Was that accurate; that was reflected in the letter that This is not identical to the letter that was sent to the I don't -- Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 38 of 138 574 1 Q. When you testified earlier, you talked about these two 2 paragraphs. 3 A. The second two? 4 Q. Yes. 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. They were not identical. 7 A. Correct. 8 Q. But my question is: 9 A. I know, and if you could bear with me, it's easier for me Was the first paragraph identical? 10 if I can look at it before I give you the answer. 11 Q. Of course, go ahead. 12 A. Do you remember what tab the other one was at, the 13 original? 14 Q. 15 identical or close enough to identical, would you have observed 16 that in your testimony? 17 Let me ask the question this way: THE COURT: If it were not That calls for speculation. If you want 18 to know if they're identical, you can look her look at them. 19 If you don't, you can go on to the next question. 20 MR. KRAVIS: Tab 42. 21 THE WITNESS: 22 They're not identical. Okay. Sorry. In the -- I'm sorry -- in the 23 October 13th letter, it says, "In both the interview and in the 24 follow-up email from House majority counsel, the committee 25 requested Mr. Stone disclose the name of his intermediary who Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 39 of 138 1 575 offered information about WikiLeaks." This version in Exhibit 62 says, "The committee requested 2 3 Mr. Stone disclose the name of source who confirmed the June 21 4 tweet and remarks by Julian Assange." And then the rest of it is a little bit different as well. 5 6 The original letter says, "Since his committee interview and 7 the receipt of your written communication from the committee, 8 Mr. Stone has contemplated the disclosure and is now prepared 9 to identify his source." 10 The version in Exhibit 62 says, "Since his committee 11 interview and the receipt of your written communication from 12 the committee, Mr. Stone has contemplated the disclosure and is 13 now prepared only reluctantly to identify his source." 14 "only reluctantly" was added, and the top part is a little 15 different. 16 BY MR. ROGOW: 17 Q. If you would, please, Tab 49, Government Exhibit 63. 18 A. Okay, I got it. 19 Q. The dates on these -- these are texts, correct? 20 A. These are text messages between Mr. Stone and Mr. Credico, 21 yes. 22 Q. 23 says, please. 24 A. 25 Godfather II, Frankie Five Angels. So And the 11/17/2017 text from Randy Credico, read what that Mr. Credico writes, "I flew back from London. I saw Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 40 of 138 576 1 Q. Then come down to the 11/19/2017 text, what does 2 Mr. Credico text? 3 A. Mr. Credico writes, "My lawyer wants to see me today." 4 Q. Do you know whether or not Mr. Credico had a lawyer? 5 A. I do know he had a lawyer, I don't know the date that he 6 hired his lawyer. 7 Q. 8 lawyer, whatever the date may be? 9 A. Yes, yes, he did. 10 Q. Thank you. Do you know whether or not Mr. Credico ultimately had a And tab 50, Exhibit 15 -- 11 12 A. Okay. 13 Q. -- is that a letter from Mr. Credico's lawyer? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And to whom is that letter addressed? 16 A. This is a letter dated November 20th, 2017. 17 Mr. Credico's counsel, and it is to a staff member on HPSCI. 18 Q. And what does it say? 19 A. It says, "Please be advised that the undersigned is legal 20 counsel for Mr. Credico, who has received a letter from 21 Representatives Conaway and Schiff, requesting his 22 participation in a voluntary transcribed interview at the 23 committee's offices. 24 declines the invitation and requests that you pass this 25 information on to the authors of the letter to him." It's from Please be advised that Mr. Credico Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 41 of 138 1 Q. If you would look at Exhibit 68, at Tab 53? 2 A. Okay. 3 Q. This is -- at the top it says, "My subpoena," correct? 4 A. Correct. 5 Q. And it is from Randy Credico? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And who is blind-copied on this? 8 A. Craig Murray, Raymond -- 9 Q. Let me take them one at a time and ask you: 10 who Craig Murray is? 11 A. Not precisely, no. 12 Q. Do you know who -- what's the next name? 13 A. Raymond L. McGovern. 14 Q. Do you know who Raymond L. McGovern is? 15 MR. KRAVIS: 16 THE COURT: 17 Do you know Objection, relevance. She can just answer whether she knows or not. Go ahead. 18 THE WITNESS: 19 20 577 Raymond McGovern, no. Do you want me to just keep going? 21 BY MR. ROGOW: 22 Q. Do you know who Thomas Drake is? 23 A. I don't. 24 Q. Bill Binney? 25 A. I'm familiar with Bill Binney, but I don't know a lot Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 42 of 138 578 1 about him. 2 Q. Caleb Maupin? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Sabrina Jacobs? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Steven Cohen? 7 A. No. 8 Q. What is the address for Steven Cohen on this email? 9 A. Steven Cohen is sfc1@nyu.edu. 10 Q. Does that nyu.edu address reflect an address -- to your 11 knowledge, if you know -- of a university or educational 12 institution? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Stefania Maurizi? 15 A. Again, I'm familiar with the name, but -- 16 Q. Players2, is that Roger Stone? 17 A. That's Roger Stone. 18 Q. Doug Henwood? 19 A. I don't know. 20 Q. Jeannie Hopper? 21 A. I don't know. 22 Q. Linda Perry Barr? 23 A. Linda Barr worked at WBAI. 24 Q. Pardon me? 25 A. Linda Barr worked at WBAI. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 43 of 138 579 1 Q. Which is a -- 2 A. It was a radio station in New York City. 3 Q. Was that the radio station from which Randy Credico did 4 his shows? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. LionelY2K, do you know who that is? 7 A. I'm familiar with the name, but I don't know. 8 Q. Michael Haskins? 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Reggie Johnson? 11 A. I don't know. 12 Q. Coleen Rowley? 13 A. I don't know. 14 Q. Noam Chomsky? 15 A. I don't know specifically. 16 Q. What is the address for Noam Chomski? 17 A. Chomski@mit.edu. 18 Q. Does that email address, @mit.edu also reflect an academic 19 institution? 20 A. Yes, it does. 21 Q. Do you know what academic institution that is? 22 A. MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. 23 Q. If you take a look, please at -- again, we're at Tab 53, 24 Exhibit 68 -- 25 A. Is this the one we were just looking at? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 44 of 138 580 1 Q. I'm sorry, I've got the wrong -- this is 54 -- 2 A. Okay. 3 Q. -- Exhibit 69 -- Tab 54, Exhibit 69, page 1. 4 A. Okay. 5 Q. There are several pages in this exhibit, am I correct? 6 A. There are ten pages in this exhibit. 7 Q. Look at page 2, if you would, please. 8 marked Number 329 11 -- I'm sorry, 330 11-29, 2017, from Randy 9 Credico. There is an item And what does the message say in that line? 10 11 A. "I am with my lawyers." 12 Q. If you take a look at Tab 57, Exhibit 17? 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. What is reflected in that exhibit? 15 A. This is a letter dated December 12th, 2017, from 16 Mr. Credico's counsel to HPSCI. 17 Q. And page 2 of Exhibit 17 is the letter itself, correct? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. What does the letter say; please read the content of the 20 letter. 21 A. 22 questioning at the scheduled deposition, Mr. Credico will 23 assert the protections of the Fifth Amendment to the 24 Constitution and decline to answer any questions beyond 25 personal pedigree. The letter says, "Please be advised that in response to Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 45 of 138 581 Should you or the committee require a personal appearance 1 2 by Mr. Credico to orally assert his rights, please let us know. 3 Kindly also provide a mechanism for reimbursement of 4 Mr. Credico's travel expenses in connection with his 5 appearance. If this letter is sufficient to serve to waive a personal 6 7 appearance on December 15th, 2017, please let us know that fact 8 and advise, if you can, whether the committee wishes to proceed 9 further in this matter." 10 Q. Turn to Exhibit 59, please. 11 A. Tab 59? 12 Q. I'm sorry, Tab 59, Exhibit 65 -- 13 A. Got it. 14 Q. -- page 3, Item 190, 11/24/2017, from Randy Credico. 15 A. Mr. Credico -- this is a text message from Mr. Credico to 16 Mr. Stone, dated November 24th, 2017. Mr. Credico writes, "I've already got ten lawyers who were 17 18 working on it." 19 Q. 20 tab 62. 21 A. Okay. 22 Q. And what is that? 23 A. This is portions of the House Permanent Select Committee 24 on Intelligence report on Russian active measures, dated 25 March 22, 2018. Government Exhibit 6, which is at page -- I'm sorry -- at Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 46 of 138 Turn to page 9, please. 582 1 Q. In the paragraph beginning, "U, 2 with this charge" -- I mean the letter U, this is page 9 of 3 Exhibit -- I'm sorry, it's page 3 of Exhibit 6. 4 A. Does it say "Preface" on the top? 5 Q. Yes. 6 A. Okay. 7 Q. Would you read the first -- under U, the first two items 8 that deal with the mandate of the committee to examine with 9 this charge? 10 A. So you want me to read, "With this charge," and then one 11 and two? 12 Q. "With this charge," all the way to, "Campaigns." 13 A. Okay. "With this charge, the House Permanent Select Committee on 14 15 Intelligence, the Committee, initiated an investigation in 16 January of 2017 with the mandate to examine: 17 cyber activity and other active measures covert influence 18 activities run by the Russian intelligence services, were 19 directed against the United States and its allies. One, what Russian 20 "Two, whether the Russian active measures include links 21 between Russia and individuals associated with presidential 22 campaigns." 23 Q. 24 Exhibit 6, and there's a paragraph on the top left, there's 25 a U, and then it starts, "Despite these multiple contacts." Then if you would turn to page 76 of that same exhibit, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 47 of 138 583 Would you read that, please? 1 2 A. Is it page 9 of the exhibit? 3 Q. It's Exhibit 6A009. 4 A. Okay. Is it 6A9? "Despite these multiple contacts, the committee did not 5 6 find any evidence contradicting Stone's claim that any 7 information disseminated via social media regarding the time of 8 the release of the DNC data or others was from publicly 9 available sources, and he in no way conspired, colluded or 10 coordinated with any agent of the Russian State." 11 Q. 12 Appendix B, "Russia Investigation Parameters"? 13 A. Okay. 14 Q. Do you see that heading? 15 A. I do. 16 Q. And in the middle of the page there is italicized the 17 question, "What are the key questions you seek to answer," and 18 please read the first two bullet points. 19 A. 20 Russian cyber activity and other active measures were directed 21 against the United States and its allies, what 22 counterintelligence concerns exist related to Russia in the 23 2016 U.S. elections, including any intelligence regarding links 24 between Russia and individuals associated with the political 25 campaigns." Turn, please, in this same exhibit to page 13, the "What are the key questions you seek to answer? What Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 48 of 138 1 Q. Thank you. THE COURT: 2 I was trying to figure out if the best 3 thing to do would be to take our break now, and let you 4 ascertain whether you have any more questions. MR. ROGOW: 5 6 584 I have two more, just two more. I'm at tab 77, so I'm close to the end. THE COURT: 7 8 BY MR. ROGOW: 9 Q. All right. Go ahead. If you would take a look, please, at tab 79, Government 10 Exhibit 19? 11 A. Okay. 12 Q. Tell the jury what this is, please? 13 A. This is a letter dated December 20th, 2018, from 14 Mr. Stone's counsel to the committee -- to HPSCI, rather, I'm 15 sorry. 16 Q. 17 paragraph, it is the third paragraph from the bottom that 18 begins, "In order for Mr. Stone," would you please read that? 19 A. 20 If you would turn to page 2 of that letter, and the Yes. "In order for Mr. Stone to properly and effectively defend 21 himself from the partisan attacks that have only been made 22 possible by the committee's ongoing retention in secret of the 23 only verified and accurate record of his testimony, Mr. Stone 24 must be immediately provided this record in full and without 25 any arbitrary restrictions. Access" -- Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 49 of 138 1 Q. That's all I need. 2 MR. ROGOW: Thank you, Ms. Taylor. 3 THE COURT: All right, is there going to be any 4 I'm finished. redirect of this witness, or is this witness excused? 5 MR. KRAVIS: 6 THE COURT: It's going to be like three minutes. Okay, let's go. Is that all right with everybody, that we complete this 7 8 witness before your break? Okay. 9 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 10 11 BY MR. KRAVIS: 12 Q. 13 the documents that you were shown on cross-examination. Very briefly, Ms. Taylor, I want to ask you about some of First, I ask you to turn to Exhibit 166, tab 44 in your 14 15 585 binder. MR. KRAVIS: 16 17 and the witness. 18 BY MR. KRAVIS: 19 Q. Can we please publish it for the jury Ms. Taylor, I think you testified on direct examination -- 20 MR. KRAVIS: Thank you. 21 BY MR. KRAVIS: 22 Q. 23 that this Exhibit 166 is a chart with a number of written 24 communications between Mr. Stone and Mr. Credico in September 25 of 2017. Ms. Taylor, I think you testified on direct examination Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 50 of 138 586 Am I remembering that correctly? 1 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. On cross-examination you were asked a question about you 4 have copies of these communications. I just want to be clear: 5 Are there time periods for which 6 law enforcement did not obtain in this investigation the 7 content of text messages between Mr. Stone and Mr. Credico? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. What is the time period for which law enforcement did not 10 obtain the content of the text messages between Mr. Stone and 11 Mr. Credico? 12 A. Mid-November 2016 through mid-November 2017. 13 Q. And that includes the time period that's covered in this 14 chart? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. So this chart is based on records showing the number of 17 communications but not their content? 18 A. Correct. 19 Q. I want to turn now to Exhibit 62, which appears at Tab 47 20 of the binder. MR. KRAVIS: 21 If we could have published for the jury 22 again the side-by-side view of the -- Exhibit 13 and 23 Exhibit 62. 24 BY MR. KRAVIS: 25 Q. Ms. Taylor, do you remember being asked some questions on Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 51 of 138 587 1 cross-examination about -- asking to you compare Exhibit 62 2 with Exhibit 13? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And just to remind us of what we're looking at here, what 5 is Exhibit 13? 6 A. 7 Mr. Stone's counsel to the committee. 8 Q. And what is Exhibit 62? 9 A. Exhibit 62 is an email from Mr. Stone to Mr. Credico dated Exhibit 13 is a letter dated October 13th, 2017 from 10 October 1th, 2017, where he forwards content related to that 11 letter. 12 Q. 13 compare the first paragraph of Exhibit 62, the forwarded text 14 and the email with the letter. Now, I think you were asked on cross-examination to Do you remember that? 15 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. What are, what are the differences? 18 A. In the -- in both the interview paragraph, in the letter 19 to Mr. Credico the text says, "Who confirmed the June 21st 20 tweet and remarks by Julian Assange," versus the October 13th 21 letter which says, "Who offered information about WikiLeaks." 22 Q. Was there another difference that you identified? 23 A. Yes. 24 email, rather, that was forwarded to Mr. Credico, the second 25 sentence of that paragraph ends with, "is now prepared only In the letter to -- that was forwarded to -- or the Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 52 of 138 588 1 reluctantly to identify his source," whereas in the original it 2 says, "and is now prepared to identify his source." 3 Q. 4 has that phrase, "only reluctantly" to identify a source, and 5 that word, "only reluctantly," does not appear in the letter 6 sent to the committee; is that right? 7 A. That's correct. 8 Q. Finally, I want to ask you a few questions about the 9 transcript. So the email that Mr. Stone forwarded along to Mr. Credico I'm going to ask to you turn to Tab 41 of the 10 binder. This is Government's Exhibit 1. 11 your attention -MR. KRAVIS: 12 I'm going to direct And if I could have this for the jury 13 and the witness please. 14 BY MR. KRAVIS: 15 Q. 16 asked on cross-examination about some -- about a statement from 17 someone identified in the transcript as Mr. Gowdy about the -- 18 what the investigation is looking at? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. I want you to turn now to three pages later in the 21 transcript, page 57? 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. Do you see the material I've marked in green on the edge 24 of the transcript there? 25 A. -- to page 54 of the transcript, do you remember being Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 53 of 138 589 1 Q. Is this an exchange between Mr. Stone and that same person 2 identified as Mr. Gowdy, who made the earlier statement? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Can you read this for us, what Mr. Gowdy says three pages 5 later? 6 A. 7 source with Julian Assange." "Mr. Gowdy: All right, which brings me back to your 8 "Mr. Stone: Yes. 9 "Mr. Gowdy: We need to be able to examine that source. 10 That source had direct contact with Julian Assange." 11 Q. 12 questions on cross-examination about some statements in the 13 transcript about the scope of the -- of the investigation? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. In his opening statement for the committee, did Mr. Stone 16 himself talk about the basis of the hearing? 17 A. Yes, he did. 18 Q. I direct your attention to page 8 of the exhibit. Finally, Ms. Taylor, do you remember being asked some Can you read for the jury, please, the statement of 19 20 Mr. Stone that I just highlighted in green at the bottom? 21 A. 22 allegation that the Russian State is responsible for the 23 hacking of the DNC and John Podesta and the transfer of that 24 information to WikiLeaks." 25 Q. "These hearings are largely based on a yet unproven Who was the person who spoke that line? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 54 of 138 1 A. 590 Mr. Stone. 2 MR. KRAVIS: 3 THE COURT: I have no further questions. All right, the witness can be excused, 4 and the jury will be excused to take our mid-afternoon break. 5 We'll try to resume at 3:15. 6 7 Please don't discuss this case with among yourselves or with anyone else. 8 Thank you. 9 (Jury excused.) 10 THE COURT: You can be excused. 11 Everyone can sit down. 12 I think people stand up when the jurors come and go, out 13 of courtesy for the jurors, but you don't have to wait for me 14 to tell you to sit down each time. 15 It's just a courtesy, I believe, that the parties usually 16 show the jury. 17 feel free to sit down. 18 they can sit down. 19 feel free. 20 But once they're in and seated, you all should I'm not used to telling people that I have never seen people stand and wait, so Mr. Kravis, I just want to confirm, when we had the last 21 pretrial conference and we were talking about the jury 22 instructions -- 23 MR. KRAVIS: 24 THE COURT: 25 Yes, Your Honor. -- you indicated that you were in agreement with the defense about the line and the Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 55 of 138 1 2 591 obstruction -- instruction about concealment of record. So I just want to ask, in Count 1, there were several 3 prongs alleged to what you believe the obstruction was that 4 he -- paragraph 41, that he allegedly testified falsely and 5 misleadingly at the hearing; second, that he failed to turn 6 over and lied about the existence of responsive records; and, 7 three, that he submitted and caused to be submitted a letter 8 falsely and misleadingly describing communications with the 9 Person 2 and 4, that he attempted to have Person 2 testify 10 falsely or to prevent him from testifying. 11 So is it my understanding that, essentially, Stone failed 12 to turn over is no longer a part of what you're prosecuting as 13 obstruction of justice in this case? 14 MR. KRAVIS: 15 THE COURT: 16 MR. KRAVIS: I think -Or just lied about the existence of. Right, I think that our position here is 17 that we are not arguing that Mr. Stone's failure to turn over 18 documents is, in itself, sufficient for the jury to convict the 19 defendant of obstruction. 20 Our argument is that the obstruction that occurred here 21 was obstruction about lying about the documents he had in his 22 possession. 23 THE COURT: All right. It would be helpful for me, 24 we talked about seeing the new jury instruction as to what you 25 think the guidepost of this case is, and I think with that Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 56 of 138 592 1 change, that was the only thing that you disputed, would help 2 me to have what the agreed jury instruction is, or what the 3 instruction is with any remaining disputes. 4 busy since we talked, but I would like to have it, at least by 5 Monday morning. MR. KRAVIS: 6 7 tonight. 8 objected to. 9 the Court. 10 And we've been We'll send something to defense counsel All we're going to do is delete the language they If that's all right with them, we'll submit it to THE COURT: All right. With respect to the defense, 11 I don't know, now that you have directed the witness' attention 12 to certain aspects of the transcript, whether it's going to 13 still be your position that you want to play the entire 14 testimony in your case in chief. 15 I would like to know, I guess at the close of the 16 government's case, if there's going to be a defense case, 17 before we begin, I would like to hear from you about why it is 18 relevant in its entirety as opposed to choosing as many 19 excerpts as you think are important and playing them. 20 I think part of my function here is to make sure that 21 the -- and you don't have to do it now -- is to make sure that 22 the jury's time is used wisely, and if they're going have to 23 listen to the entire thing and you can't edit it down, I'd like 24 you to consider whether you can, and if you can, I'd like to at 25 least hear why you think every word is relevant before you put Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 57 of 138 1 593 it on. We don't have to talk about it now, but I wanted to give 2 3 you a heads-up, and I'm going to ask you that before you put on 4 your case, if you put on a case. The other thing I will say is, as having it be my 5 6 responsibility to think about the use of everyone's time, not 7 every lawyer in this courtroom has to be as caffeinated as 8 Mr. Kravis, but the pacing of the cross was extremely slow, and 9 I think it tested the patience of the jurors a great deal, and 10 so I hope as you prepare moving forward, you'll try to pick up 11 the pace a little bit. I'm not going to point that out in front of the jury, but 12 13 I do want to let you know that I thought this afternoon could 14 have been a bit more expeditious, and so I hope you'll take 15 that to heart. 16 I also think talking about exhibits when the jury can't 17 see them isn't as helpful to the jury as it could be if they 18 could see them while you were talking about them. 19 didn't want to underscore their contents, but you were talking 20 about their contents, so that's something to think about in the 21 future as well. Maybe you 22 So we'll take our break. 23 You'll be prepared with your next witness when we come 24 25 back? MR. KRAVIS: Yes, Your Honor. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 58 of 138 1 THE COURT: 2 (Recess at 3:14 p.m.) 3 (Proceedings resumed at 3:29 p.m.) 4 THE DEPUTY CLERK: 5 I'll see everybody now at 20 after. Your Honor, recalling criminal case Number 19-18, United States of America v. Roger J. Stone. (Pause.) 6 7 THE COURT: 8 THE DEFENDANT: 9 594 Mr. Stone, are you fully recovered? Yes, thank you, Your Honor, much better. THE COURT: 10 I'm going to continue with the trial 11 right now. If there's anything -- I was presented with 12 something that doesn't relate to the matters before us right 13 now. 14 its next witness. Let's bring the jury back in, and the government can get 15 (Jury present.) 16 THE COURT: Government can call it's next witness. 17 MR. ZELINSKY: 18 19 All right, our jurors are all returned. Thank you, your Honor, the United States calls Randy Credico. GOVERNMENT WITNESS RANDOLPH CREDICO SWORN 20 DIRECT EXAMINATION 21 22 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 23 Q. Good afternoon, sir. 24 A. Good afternoon. 25 Q. Could you state and spell your name for the record? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 59 of 138 Randolph Allen Credico. 595 1 A. R-A-N-D-O-L-P-H, Credico is 2 C-R-E-D-I-C-O. 3 Q. 4 subpoena; is that correct? 5 A. Yes, that's not something I would volunteer to. 6 Q. And have you met with the government to prepare for your 7 testimony today? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. What do you do for work? 10 A. Seems like I'm a professional witness. 11 satirist, I'm impressionist. 12 political humor, night clubs, television. 13 work. 14 Mutt & Stuff, and I did a Tonight Show. Mr. Credico, you're testifying today pursuant to a I'm a political I -- for many years I did I do voice-over Recently I did a couple of Nickelodeon voice-overs for I have done a hundred television and radio and -- I have a 15 16 radio show right now on Pacifica. And for many years, from 17 1997 to 2011, I ran a civil rights group called the William 18 Kunstler Fund for Racial Justice. 19 Q. Thank you, sir. Do you know Roger Stone? 20 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. When did you first meet Mr. Stone? 23 A. In the summer, late summer of 2002. 24 Q. What kind of work did you do with Mr. Stone? 25 A. Well, in 2002 there was a campaign in New York. It was an Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 60 of 138 596 1 election year, gubernatorial race. And at that point I was 2 running the concert funds group called "The Mothers of the New 3 York Disappeared." 4 Rockefeller drug laws which were passed in '73. And we were trying to change New York's 5 I had spent five and a half, six years organizing the 6 families of prisoners, going to prisons, and the movement was 7 moving forward. 8 Pataki for changes. In 2002, we were negotiating with Governor There was a race between him and the guy by the name of 9 10 Carl McCall, and we were making a lot of movement, but I was 11 so -- we were like so close to getting changes that year, but 12 we didn't get them. 13 name of Tom Golisano, who is out of the upstate area. 14 third-party campaign, he spent tens of millions of dollars on 15 it. 16 almost revolutionary. So I saw this third-party candidate by the I saw the ads that he was running. He had a They were very -- 17 So I ran into a guy who was running the Golisano campaign, 18 and I said, "Gee, I would like to meet the campaign manager or 19 the chief advisor, whatever, and maybe introduce him to my 20 cause with all of these women and children I'm working with." So lo and behold, I met Roger Stone at his old apartment 21 22 above Mickey Mantle's on Central Park South. I did a lot of 23 work and he did a lot of work on changing the Rockefeller. 24 Q. You said earlier that you're an impressionist. 25 A. Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 61 of 138 1 Q. You do impressions of famous figures; is that right? 2 A. Famous figures, politicians, and a lot of movie stars, 3 most of whom are dead now. 4 Q. 5 promotional -- 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. -- things for him? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Could you explain in a little more detail what that 597 Did there come a time when Mr. Stone had you tape some 10 involved? 11 A. Promotional tapes for his radio show? 12 Q. Yes. 13 A. It would be doing -- you know, he would do like, "Hi, this 14 is such and such, you're listening to Roger Stone on the" -- 15 this is Richard Nixon, James Mason, or whoever it was, maybe a 16 dozen that I did, voices promoting bumpers for his radio show. 17 Q. 18 that correct? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Since 2002, has your relationship with Mr. Stone been on a 21 steady, even keel? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Did there come a time in 2016 when you began to speak with 24 Roger Stone? 25 A. You just said that you first met Mr. Stone around 2002; is Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 62 of 138 598 1 Q. And why were you speaking with Roger Stone in early 2016? 2 A. Well, I had just received my radio show at WBAI Pacifica 3 in New York City. 4 now they gave me a permanent spot on Saturday mornings, and it 5 evolved to three days a week, but it was Saturday mornings 6 early, and I needed guests. 7 this radio show, I'm a guest everywhere else, but now I have to 8 get guests on my show. I was doing a lot of like fill-in shows, but I had to prove myself. I'm having And sometimes you have to get guests on there that are 9 10 controversial. He's good on radio, Stone is very good, he's a 11 good guest to have on, and although everybody at the station, 12 it's a rather to-the-left station, was not thrilled with me, 13 but Stone was good for causing commotion at the station and 14 bringing people to listen to it. 15 Q. 16 on your radio show? 17 A. I did, several times. 18 Q. During the spring of 2016, did you discuss WikiLeaks at 19 all with Mr. Stone? 20 A. No. 21 Q. I want to turn now to June and July of 2016. 22 A. Okay. 23 Q. During that time, did you keep interacting with Mr. Stone? 24 A. Through what days? 25 Q. June and July of 2016. In the spring of 2016, did you have Roger Stone as a guest Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 63 of 138 1 A. Well, he was on my radio show again, yeah. 2 Q. Did you discuss with Mr. Stone getting other potential 3 guests on your radio show? 4 A. Did I discuss other guests, yes. 5 Q. Did you discuss having Gary Johnson on your show? 6 A. That would be in September, I discussed having Gary 7 Johnson on my show. 8 Q. 9 from WikiLeaks on your show? 599 Did you discuss, in June or July of 2016, having anyone 10 A. No. 11 Q. Did you discuss WikiLeaks at all with Mr. Stone in June or 12 July? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Let's turn now to August of 2016. In early August, did you hear Roger Stone talking about 15 16 communicating with Julian Assange? 17 A. 18 Republican Club, he was talking about having communicated with 19 Julian Assange. 20 Q. 21 Julian Assange? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Had you told Mr. Stone at the time you saw the video that 24 you had communicated with Julian Assange? 25 A. I saw a video of him, yes. It was in Broward County At the time you saw that video, had you communicated with No. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 64 of 138 600 1 Q. After Mr. Stone's statements that you talked about, did 2 there come a time when you tried to have Julian Assange on your 3 show? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. How did you get the idea to have Julian Assange on your 6 show? 7 A. 8 person to have on your show. 9 catch at my station. How I did get the idea. The idea was, he was a great It would be a huge, you know, I would be the only person at WBAI, 10 anywhere in New York, who would get Assange on, particularly 11 leading into the election. 12 would be great to have. 13 was able to get him on by asking a friend, yes. 14 Q. 15 should be on the screen in front of you -- He -- very controversial, and he A lot of people wanted him on, but I Turning now to Government's Exhibit 189, page 1, which MR. ZELINSKY: 16 And if, on this slide, we could zoom 17 in, please, Ms. Rohde, on the line, the second line from the 18 top that starts, "You okay with that." THE WITNESS: 19 "You okay with that." 20 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 21 Q. Do you see that, Mr. Credico? 22 A. "You okay with that, I'm going have Julian Assange on my 23 show next Thursday," yes. 24 Q. Did you send that message to Mr. Stone? 25 A. Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 65 of 138 1 Q. 601 Let's look at the next message down. Do you see another message just below that? 2 3 A. Yes, "Kunstler's wife is his lawyer, or at least one of 4 them." 5 Q. Who is "Kunstler wife"? 6 A. Kunstler's wife, I missed an apostrophe and an s, that's 7 Margaret Ratner Kunstler, who is the widow of William Kunstler, 8 who is a very close friend of mine who I worked for, for many 9 years as the director of the Kunstler fund. 10 Q. What is your relationship to Ms. Kunstler? 11 A. She is my closest, probably my closest friend in life. 12 have known her since 1986. 13 and she and I remained great friends. Her husband died ten years later, I ran her organization, the William Kunstler Fund. 14 I Once he 15 died, she started Kunstler fund, and a year later I was given 16 the job as director of the William Kunstler Fund for the next 17 13 years. 18 Q. 19 with to try to get Assange on your show, was that friend 20 Ms. Kunstler? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. When you wrote this message to Mr. Stone, had you actually 23 confirmed that Assange would be on your show? 24 A. 25 going to ask her like earlier to try to get Assange on, but she We worked on a lot of projects together. You referred earlier to a friend that you were in contact No, I think I presumed because I had asked her, I was Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 66 of 138 602 1 would get very upset, and had totally stay away from whatever 2 relationship she had. 3 reason why I did here is because I was expanded. 4 one day a week to three days a week, and I was looking for 5 guests, and then I reluctantly asked her. 6 confirmed that he was on when -- I just assumed that if she 7 tried to get him on, I would have a pretty good shot. 8 Q. 9 relationship, if any, to Julian Assange? I did not want to bother her. The only I had from But I had not At the time, what did you understand to be Ms. Kunstler's 10 A. Well, she had written articles. Her close friend, Michael 11 Ratner, was his main lawyer, and she was doing -- not like -- 12 she was someone that was part of that gang of like 80 lawyers 13 that he had. 14 representing somebody else at that time. 15 there that I was able to get her to ask to get him on my show. 16 Q. 17 Assange on your show? 18 A. 19 but, you know, I was kind of bragging, the same way he would 20 say to people a few week earlier. 21 the way, when he said he -- 22 Q. Mr. Credico, if you could just answer the question. 23 A. Okay. 24 point, and I actually was going have Julian Assange on my show, 25 although I didn't have him confirmed until the following week. And she was friendly, she was actually There was a crew Why did you tell Mr. Stone that you would be having You know, I really don't know why I was telling him that, And I didn't believe it, by Well I was try to one-up him at that particular Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 67 of 138 603 1 Q. When you say, "one-up him," what were you trying to one-up 2 him from? 3 had heard. 4 A. 5 talking about Julian Assange, a video was playing a lot, and 6 now I actually had a good shot to have him on my show, so I was 7 just one-upping him at that point. 8 Q. You testified before the grand jury about this matter? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And did you have these text messages -- 11 A. No. 12 Q. -- in front of you when you testified? 13 A. No, I didn't have any text messages prior to 2018. 14 Q. When you testified before the grand jury, did you say you 15 had not discussed Julian Assange with Roger Stone at this time 16 period? 17 A. 18 that. 19 call conversation with him. 20 Q. Once you got these text messages you are now testifying -- 21 A. Yes, those are mine. 22 Q. -- that you discussed Mr. Assange on August 19th; is that 23 right? 24 A. 25 it was a back-and-forth the way I remember the phone call was You started to allude to an earlier thing that you Right. Well, seeing him at that Broward County event, Well, it really wasn't a discussion. I did say that. Yes, I did tell him I was actually talking about a phone On August 19th, yes, this was sent. It doesn't seem like Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 68 of 138 604 1 on September -- 2 Q. 3 August 19th. 4 A. All right. 5 Q. Did Mr. Stone respond to you at all about your claim that 6 would you have Assange on your show? 7 A. No, he did not. 8 Q. Did there come a time when you actually did interview 9 Julian Assange? We'll get to that in a moment, sir. Let's focus on I don't see it there, no. 10 A. Yes, August 25th, 2016, 6:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. 11 Q. Now, before you interviewed Julian Assange, did you also 12 interview Roger Stone? 13 A. 14 station. 15 Q. What was that station? 16 A. WBAI. 17 Q. That was your radio show; is that right? 18 A. Yes. 19 permanent later, but they were fill-ins at that point. 20 why I was scrambling to get guests on Tuesday and Thursday, the 21 23rd and the 25th. 22 Tuesday and Thursday. 23 Q. 24 25 Yes, August 23rd, two days earlier, a Tuesday, on the same All of these are WBAI in New York, 99.5 FM. Actually, those days were fill-ins. They became That's I had gone from the Saturday morning to Thank you, sir. On August 23rd, 2016, you had Roger Stone as a guest on your radio show? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 69 of 138 1 A. Yes, August 23rd, he was a guest on my radio show. 2 Q. If we could turn to Government's Exhibit 134. 605 (Audio played.) 3 4 Q. Mr. Credico, who is speaking on that phone call? 5 A. Phone call on the interview, that's Roger Stone. 6 Q. Who is the other person? 7 A. Me. 8 Q. Prior to that radio show on August 23rd, did you have any 9 conversations with Mr. Stone about what Julian Assange had? 10 A. No. 11 Q. Did you discuss -- in that interview you just listened to, 12 Mr. Stone talks about developments that come out today which 13 have been devastating. 14 Did you hear that? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Did you discuss any of those developments with Mr. Stone 17 prior to that interview? 18 A. No. 19 Q. If we could play the next clip in the exhibit, please. (Audio played.) 20 21 Q. You say in that part of your broadcasted interview that 22 you had been teasing people about an October surprise. Did you hear that? 23 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. How had you been teasing people? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 70 of 138 606 1 A. Well, I guess I would be talking about, on my radio show I 2 would say there is going to be some kind of October surprise 3 like there was an October surprise, you know, with Reagan. 4 Q. What is an October surprise? 5 A. An October surprise is something that comes out just 6 before the election that no one is expecting to happen that 7 kind of undermines the candidate, that undermines. 8 happened to a lot of candidates over the years. 9 Jimmy Carter was an October surprise in 1980. That Reagan did it, It had something 10 to do with Iran. 11 Q. 12 see where it says, "You have been in touch indirectly with 13 Julian Assange." 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. How did you know Mr. Stone had been in touch indirectly 16 with Julian Assange? 17 A. 18 Broward County Young Republicans, I believe he spoke, and they 19 played that. 20 of it, you couldn't see the outside, but him speaking 21 repeatedly. 22 Q. 23 an opportunity to say it, what about the October surprise, 24 you've been in touch indirectly with Julian Assange," can you 25 give us any kind of insight, were you referring to yourself as On the third line of the transcript from the bottom, you Because he said so on -- and they replay that a lot. The It was like a clip that was in sort of the middle So I'm alluding to that because he had said it. When you said to Mr. Stone, you asked him, "I'm giving you Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 71 of 138 607 1 his indirect contact? 2 A. No. 3 Q. You were not asking him what you had told him in any way, 4 were you? 5 A. That is correct, I was not. 6 Q. If we could play the next part of the clip, please. (Audio played.) 7 8 Q. You just heard, it's on the second line of the transcript, 9 Mr. Credico -- 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. -- that Mr. Stone said, "We have a mutual friend, somebody 12 we both trust; and, therefore, I'm the recipient -- I am a 13 recipient of pretty good information." Did you hear that? 14 15 A. Yes, I did. 16 Q. At the time, did you know who Mr. Stone was referring to? 17 A. No, I did not. 18 Q. Did you understand him to be referring to you, sir? 19 A. No, he was not referring to me. 20 Q. At the time, had you ever heard of Jerome Corsi? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Did you ever -- you'll see there, further on, that it 23 says -- talks about Clinton Foundation scandals. 24 A. Right. 25 Q. Did you ever tell Mr. Stone that Assange had information Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 72 of 138 608 1 about the Clinton Foundation? 2 A. Can you repeat that? 3 Q. Did you ever tell Roger Stone that Julian Assange had 4 information about the Clinton Foundation? 5 A. No. 6 Q. Did you have any knowledge at this time about whether 7 Julian Assange had any information related to the Clinton 8 Foundation? 9 A. No, sir. 10 Q. After this radio broadcast on August 23rd, did there come 11 a time when you had Mr. Assange on your show? 12 A. Two days later on August 25th. 13 Q. Did Mr. Assange appear in person? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Why not? 16 A. Because he was in exile in the Ecuadorian embassy in 17 London. 18 Q. Let's turn to Exhibit 133. Do you recognize this email? 19 20 A. Yes, I do. 21 Q. Who sent this email? 22 A. It was sent to me by someone who worked for Assange in a 23 secretarial position. 24 Q. When was the email sent? 25 A. On the same day, earlier in the day on August 25th, 2016. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 73 of 138 609 1 Q. On this email it says here on the first line, "Margaret 2 Ratner Kunstler has communicated a request to have Julian take 3 part in your drive-time show tonight. Do you see that line? 4 5 Q. He had you, in fact, asked Ms. Kunstler to have 6 Mr. Assange take part in your show? 7 A. 8 of days before, but it obviously was a week earlier. 9 was the day, August 25th, the same day that I had him on the Yes, a week earlier. I thought it may have been a couple But that 10 show that he responded finally. 11 Q. 12 associated with Mr. Assange? 13 A. No. 14 Q. And you said earlier that, on that day, later that day you 15 did have Mr. Assange on the show; is that right? 16 A. Yes, on August 25th at 6:00 p.m. 17 Q. How did he get on your show? 18 A. It was complicated, because the radio station, the phone 19 system was all messed up. 20 So I had to have him call up on my cell phone, hook the cell 21 phone into the sound system which went out over the airwaves. 22 But that's how -- I spoke to him like this (witness 23 demonstrating) and it was very complicated to do that. 24 Q. 25 you have any other conversation with Mr. Assange? Prior to this message, had you heard from anybody They probably didn't pay their bill. Besides what was broadcasted on your radio station, did Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 74 of 138 610 1 A. That was the only conversation I had with him until April 2 of 2017. 3 Q. Thank you, sir. 4 A. Okay. 5 Q. Did you have any contact with any of his personnel at that 6 time about what information WikiLeaks might have? 7 A. No. 8 Q. On your radio show, what did you discuss with Mr. Assange? 9 A. We talked about the election, we talked about the We'll focus now on the 2016 time frame. 10 campaign. We talked about -- it was a wide range in a 11 37-minute interview. 12 was going to deliver. 13 him about his business, you know what I mean, except for I 14 think I might have asked him about his connection with Roger 15 Stone. 16 Q. We'll get to that in a moment, sir. 17 A. I asked him about Clinton, I asked him about Trump. 18 asked him about whoever else was in that race at that time, 19 Bernie Sanders. 20 asked him about running for senate, I believe, in Australia. 21 Q. Why didn't you ask him about future releases? 22 A. I just -- first of all, I don't -- Julian Assange is not 23 going to tell me about future releases. 24 The whole business, whole MO of WikiLeaks is to release the 25 stuff. I did not ask him about anything that he I specifically didn't. I never asked That was one of the things I asked him. It was really about the campaign. I I also The whole business. They don't like tell you up front, they release it. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 75 of 138 And they -- it's not like -- that's their MO. 1 611 Why would 2 they tip their mitt to someone like me what they're going to 3 do. 4 going to ask him that. 5 Q. 6 contact Mr. Assange? 7 A. 8 that was it, yeah, only communicated with that guy. 9 Q. It's none of my business. And first of all, I wasn't ever Did you have any way besides this secretarial official to Did I what? That was my only way, yes. At that point Let's turn now to Government Exhibit 189, page 4. Can you see the messages on the left that say, "Randy 10 11 Credico"? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Then if you look at the bottom, if we could blow up the 14 bottom two messages, can you read those, please, sir? 15 A. 16 "talked" but -- "talk about you last night. 17 say" -- that was to Roger Stone. 18 Q. 19 night before? 20 A. I think, I believe he did in that interview. I'm almost 21 positive, but I would have to listen to it again. I think he 22 did, it did come up. 23 Q. Had you asked him about Roger Stone? 24 A. Yes, I did -- 25 Q. Why -- Yes. "Julian Assange talk" -- it's supposed to be What did he In fact, had Mr. Assange talked about Roger Stone the Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 76 of 138 612 1 A. -- I think I asked him about a back channel or something, 2 because Roger Stone had said that he had a back channel two 3 days earlier. 4 have Roger Stone -- an intermediary between you and Roger Stone 5 as a back channel," just checking up with him. 6 Q. 7 whether or not Roger Stone had a back channel, were you 8 referring to yourself? 9 A. No. 10 Q. If you move to the next page of Exhibit 189, if we could 11 enlarge the message at the top of the page that says, "He 12 didn't say anything bad," if you could read that message, 13 please, sir. 14 A. 15 the press is trying to make it look like you and he are in 16 cahoots." 17 Q. 18 you see the date there that says, "This date"? When you asked Mr. Assange on live New York City radio "He didn't say anything bad. MR. ZELINSKY: If we could blow that date up. you. THE WITNESS: 21 22 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 23 Q. August 27, 2016, Saturday. On August 27th, 2016 -MR. ZELINSKY: 24 25 We were talking about how If we could move now a little further down on Exhibit 185, 19 20 Now I have him on, and I asked him, "Did you please. Could we move to the next page, Thank Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 77 of 138 613 1 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 2 Q. 3 bottom, the bottom two messages -- do you see the message there 4 that begins, "Julian Assange"? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Could you read it, please? 7 A. "Julian Assange has kryptonite on Hillary. 8 Silky Sullivan of this race." 9 Q. -- you'll see -- can we go to the message down at the Trump is the When you wrote, "Julian Assange has kryptonite on 10 Hillary," who were you referring to when you wrote "Hillary"? 11 A. On Hillary Clinton. 12 Q. What was the basis of your knowledge? 13 A. His public statements. 14 that was really bad on Hillary that could sink Hillary. 15 Q. 16 that he had bad things on Hillary; is that correct, sir? 17 A. Yes, yes. 18 Q. Was this the first time that you discussed with Roger 19 Stone what Julian Assange might have? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Did Roger Stone -- And you had also discussed earlier Mr. Stone's statements MR. ZELINSKY: 22 He had said earlier he had stuff 23 exhibit, please. 24 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 25 Q. We go to the next page of this Did Roger Stone respond to your message? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 78 of 138 614 1 A. I don't think so. 2 Q. Let's move on. 3 A. No, he did not. 4 Q. Did you continue to interact with Mr. Stone in August, 5 late August, that is August 27, 2016, through early September? 6 A. Yes, he -- through September, yes, we did communicate. 7 Q. Did there come a time when you had Gary Johnson on your 8 radio show? 9 A. 10 Yes, I did have Gary Johnson on the show. THE COURT: THE WITNESS: THE COURT: that pitcher. Absolutely. I'm thirsty. Can I get There should be water in Can you reach it? THE WITNESS: 17 Yeah, I got it. I'm mumbling? 18 THE COURT: 19 20 I'm sorry. some water? 15 16 Mr. Credico, you are mumbling a little bit. 13 14 Mr. Stone got him on the show for me. 11 12 Where is it? Just your last answer was a little mumbly. 21 THE WITNESS: 22 THE COURT: Let me know if I do that again. I will. 23 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 24 Q. Mr. Credico, we had been talking about Gary Johnson. 25 A. Yes, the Libertarian candidate for president, 2016. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 79 of 138 615 1 Q. 2 Johnson on your radio show, right? 3 A. 4 radio show. 5 I don't know if it was the 10th or the 11th of September. 6 think it was the 10th, I'm not for sure. 7 if he could get Mr. Johnson on, and he said, "I'll do it," and 8 he did it. 9 in spite of the fact that he made some crazy gaff about a lepo 10 the day before, and he lost a lot of his currency the day that 11 I had him on. 12 Q. 13 with Mr. Stone about it? 14 A. 15 having Johnson. 16 Johnson. 17 Julian Assange, now I had Gary Johnson. 18 many big people as I could, from my viewpoint, and I did thank 19 him profusely forgetting me Gary Johnson. 20 about it. 21 Q. What did he say in response? 22 A. He said -- well, I asked, "What can I do in return" -- you 23 know, what can I do as a quid pro quo that's going around these 24 days, what can I do in response? 25 And you indicated that Mr. Stone helped you to get Gary I asked Mr. Stone if he would get me Gary Johnson on my He was going to be in New York on that Saturday. I But I asked Mr. Stone And he got him on my show, and it was a big victory After you had Gary Johnson on your show, did you speak Yes, I did. I spoke to him right through that, about I was very appreciative that I got Gary Nobody else on that station had him on. Here I had And I was getting as I was very happy He said that he would like to get Julian Assange, me to get Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 80 of 138 616 1 Julian Assange on his radio show. 2 Q. What did you respond to him? 3 A. I said, "Well, you know, why don't you ask your back 4 channel, you have a back channel," and he -- I said, "Why don't 5 you ask your back channel you have been talking about to get 6 Julian Assange on your show rather than me?" And he said, "Well, I can't use the guy all the time," and 7 8 he described him as some journalist, but he wouldn't tell me 9 his name. He couldn't tell me anything about him. So I said, "Well, I'll see what I can do." 10 11 Q. When you told Mr. Stone that he should go to his back 12 channel, were you referring to yourself? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Let's move to Exhibit 48. 15 A. Exhibit 48. MR. ZELINSKY: 16 17 there. If we could blow up the top messages Thank you. No, I'm sorry, you had it right. 18 19 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 20 Q. You see the date there, sir, September 8, 2016? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. I'm sorry, September 18, 2016? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And you see you sent a massages? 25 A. Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 81 of 138 617 1 Q. What does the message say? 2 A. "Making progress on the interview across the sea." 3 Q. What were you referring to when you messaged Mr. Stone 4 that you were making progress on the interview across the sea 5 in September of 2016? 6 A. 7 Assange that I was making progress, which of course I never 8 even tried to get Assange on his show, but I said that anyway. 9 Q. I believe because I told him I could get him Julian When you referred to Mr. Stone's show, what show are you 10 referring to? 11 A. 12 he had one on InfoWars, I don't know if it was the same, but he 13 had some kind of radio show. 14 Q. 15 emailing your request to pass on to Assange." His -- he had a radio show call the Stone Cold Truth, and I actually did it at some point. And lower down you'll see a message that begins, "I am Do you see that? 16 17 A. "I am emailing a request to pass on to Assange on another 18 matter." 19 Q. Oh, that's Roger, yes. You've answered my question. MR. ZELINSKY: 20 Mr. Stone said that. And the next message, please. 21 could pull up the next four messages. 22 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 23 Q. 24 top. 25 If we If you look at the bottom -- I'm sorry, let's start at the After Mr. Stone asked you -- or said to you he was emailing Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 82 of 138 618 1 a request to pass on to Assange in another matter, what did you 2 reply? 3 A. "Okay." 4 Q. And then Mr. Stone sent you another message; is that 5 right? 6 A. 7 link. 8 Q. 9 emoticon? Yes. It looks like a -- looks like a link, some kind of And then you see on the bottom where you gave a thumbs-up 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Then you wrote to him, and could you read what you wrote 12 at 3:28 p.m. please sir? 13 A. 14 connection to Assange. 15 to." 16 Q. If we could go now to Exhibit 51, page 1. 17 A. Page 1. "Just remember, just remember, do not name me as your You had one before that you referred 18 THE WITNESS: 19 THE COURT: 20 THE WITNESS: 21 THE COURT: 22 jury box, they'll let me know. 23 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 24 Q. 25 Am I mumbling still, am I okay? I'll let you know. Okay. Just want to make sure. All right. If somebody can't hear in the Let's start on the top, if we could enlarge the header. Who is this email to? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 83 of 138 619 1 A. To Roger Stone from Randy Credico. 2 Q. What is it about? 3 A. Regarding Libya. 4 Q. If we could go to page 3 of this email, and the bold part 5 at the bottom, please, could you read that, sir? 6 A. 7 August 10 to August 30th, particularly on August 20, 2011, that 8 mentions Dr. R.K. Paul or confirm this narrative." 9 Q. "Please ask Assange for any state or HRC email from Did you, when you received this message, understand it to 10 be a request from Mr. Stone? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. If we could go to page 1 of this exhibit, all the way at 13 the top. Did you reply to Mr. Stone? 14 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. What did you say? 17 A. I said, "That batch probably coming out in the next drop. 18 I can't ask them favors every other day. 19 lawyers. 20 Q. 21 in the next drop, were you referring to WikiLeaks? 22 A. 23 the next drop, I'm sure that batch is coming out. 24 Q. 25 the case? I asked one of his They have major legal headaches right now, relax." When you told Mr. Stone that there was a batch coming out "That batch probably coming out in the next drop," yes, Did you have any inside information indicating this to be Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 84 of 138 1 A. No. 2 Q. You refer to having asked one of his lawyers. 620 Who were you referring to when you sent that message? 3 4 A. "I can't ask them favors every day. I asked one of his 5 lawyers." 6 peripherally involved was Margaret Ratner. 7 Q. 8 string -- 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. -- you'll see at the bottom, if we could -- where you say, 11 who -- the sentence that begins, "Who could I have on my show"? 12 A. "Who could I have on my show tomorrow to talk about this?" 13 Q. And what did Mr. Stone respond to you when you asked who 14 you could have on his show to talk about this? 15 A. 16 Assange." 17 Q. What did you respond to Mr. Stone? 18 A. "Those emails would be on the WikiLeaks site if they 19 exist." 20 Q. Is that the product of any inside information? 21 A. No. 22 they had put it out, it would -- everyone knew, you just go to 23 the site there, and you have to go through this icon, that 24 icon, and you find it, do a search. 25 their website because they put their stuff on the website, The only lawyer that I would have known that was If we could look a little further down on that message "No one, unless I can get some kind of confirmation from WikiLeaks put their stuff on -- if it existed and If that existed, go to Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 85 of 138 621 1 WikiLeaks.org. 2 Q. What did Mr. Stone say to you? 3 A. Well, I gotta see here, "Why do we assume WikiLeaks has 4 released everything they have" -- "everything that they have?" 5 Q. And you responded? 6 A. "Roger, I think he's all" -- that must have meant "on" -- 7 "I think he's on my show tomorrow, so just give me a little bit 8 of time." 9 Q. Was that true, did you have Mr. Assange on your show on 10 September 20th? 11 A. 12 trying to get him back on my show. 13 asking, was to try to get him back on my show. 14 ensuing six months to try to get him back on. 15 Q. 16 would have Assange on your show? 17 A. 18 before the election, but I tried all the way until April 2nd, 19 2017, when he finally did it again. 20 Q. No, I was really trying to get him on though. I kept That was the favors I was I tried for the When you wrote this message, were you hoping that you I was always hoping I would get him back on the show Let's turn to Government Exhibit 190, page 1. If you look at the first message -- the first two messages 21 22 on September 19th, 2016, did Roger Stone ask you to pass a 23 message to Julian Assange? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Did you tell him that you had? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 86 of 138 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Had you actually passed a message to Julian Assange? 3 A. No. 4 Q. Let's move now on the same message where you say, "I'm 5 flying to London after the show." 622 Do you see that? 6 7 A. Yes. That was on the 27th. 8 Q. You say, "I'm flying to London after the show." What did Mr. Stone respond? 9 10 A. "Give me docs on R.A. Paul." 11 Q. Were you, in fact, flying to London after your show? 12 A. That night, yes, I was planning to go to London. 13 Q. Why were you flying to London? 14 A. Well, I was going there to visit a close friend of mine by 15 the name of Barry Crimmins, a great political satirist that I 16 have known since 1984. 17 and it was the 30-year anniversary of us working in London 18 together. 19 He and I were both in London in 1986, So I went there to have a 30-year anniversary, along with a 20 very wealthy friend of mine who paid for the trip. 21 going there for three days to see Barry Crimmins perform at the 22 Leicester Square Comedy Club, and the guy paid for all of the 23 expenses and the flight. 24 25 We were So that's the reason why I went to London from the 27th through the 30th. I believe I came back on the 1st of October. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 87 of 138 1 Q. 2 actually on Wednesday night. 623 Then you wrote, "We'll be seeing the man on Tuesday, It's part of the agenda." Do you see that, sir? 3 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Who is the man? 6 A. The man would be Julian Assange. 7 Q. Did you in, fact, have a plan to meet with Julian Assange? 8 A. No, but -- I did not have a plan, but I had a plan in my 9 head that I would give him a letter from the station that I was 10 working. 11 Q. Did you have an agenda for Mr. Assange? 12 A. No, I did not have an agenda at all. 13 I did not have an agenda. 14 Assange. 15 days there with Barry Crimmins, and one day I dropped the 16 letter off at the embassy but did not get into the embassy. 17 Q. And what did the letter say? 18 A. The letter was from -- his name is Berthold Reimers. 19 the general manager still at WBAI. 20 proposal to get Julian Assange to do a live radio show out of 21 the embassy with the ISDN, some kind of -- something he could 22 set up inside of the embassy. 23 I had -- I did not see him. I had nothing planned to see I was there to see Barry Crimmins. And I spent three He's And we were making a So he sent me -- he gave me this letter. I tried to get 24 them to let me drop it off inside of the embassy, maybe see him 25 while I was there, but they said either post it -- once I was Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 88 of 138 1 there they said: 624 Either post it or you can drop it off. And so what I did was, I went over there on the day before 2 3 I left and knocked on the embassy door, went inside, somebody 4 put their hand out -- it was like Thing from "The Addams 5 Family," all I saw was a hand that grabbed the -- they grabbed 6 the letter and that was it, but I did not get inside the door. 7 Q. Let's move to page 3 of Exhibit 190. MR. ZELINSKY: 8 9 If we could enlarge the messages that begin, "As Jolson would say." THE WITNESS: 10 Yes, I'm sorry, where? 11 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 12 Q. 13 ain't seen nothing yet" -- 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. -- did you send that message to Roger Stone? 16 A. What date is this? 17 Q. Did you have inside information that gave you this 18 message? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Just below that there's a picture. 21 A. Yes. 22 right there. 23 Q. When you say, "the embassy," what embassy? 24 A. The Ecuadorian embassy. 25 you can see the guy who was either working for MI6 or working Let's go -- when you wrote, "As Jolson would say, Hillary September 30th. Yes. That's a picture of me in front of the embassy, You can see the flag there, and Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 89 of 138 1 for the metropolitan police standing behind me with an 2 earphone. So I took that picture to get him in there. 3 625 I had a whole 4 bunch Nespresso there that I got around the corner on Cromwell, 5 and I went in and went out, and I was followed a little bit 6 into Harrods, which is like a half a block away. So I had put that picture out the day before on Facebook, 7 8 that same picture I put on Facebook, and I said on Facebook 9 that I think something is coming out this week based on what I 10 saw. 11 This guy is standing right there, there are people that are 12 following me around, into Harrods, at least I was that paranoid 13 I thought they were following me around. 14 something is happening here, plus there was word that something 15 was coming out, and it was coming from -- I think it was 16 Assange and maybe a woman by the name of Sarah Harrison, that 17 something was coming out that week. 18 Q. Sir, when you say there was word, do you mean -- 19 A. Not word of mouth, it was press. 20 Q. Thank you. So figured like And the exchange you just detailed -- 21 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. -- where you said there was the man in the khaki pants 24 behind you -- 25 A. Yes. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 90 of 138 626 1 Q. -- was this the same time that you dropped the letter off 2 at the embassy? 3 A. 4 kind of floated around. 5 still there. 6 kind of walking around, hoping that he would move. 7 said, "Forget about it," went in, gave the letter and came out. Yes, I think I just dropped it off at that point, and I 9 I got nervous because I saw the guy there. MR. ZELINSKY: 8 When I went in, came out, that guy was Okay. I was And then I If we could move to the next page of the exhibit, please. 10 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 11 Q. 12 news Wednesday." If you look on the exhibit, you see that you wrote, "Big Do you see that, sir? 13 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Then what you did you say to Mr. Stone? 16 A. "Now pretend like you don't know me." 17 Q. Did you have inside information that led you to send the 18 message, "Big news Wednesday"? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Mr. Stone responded, do you see what he wrote? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. What did he say? 23 A. He said, "You died five years ago." 24 Q. What did you understand Mr. Stone to mean when he wrote to 25 you, "You died five years ago"? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 91 of 138 Well, that would be 2011 or 2012. 627 1 A. He had put out on -- we 2 had a bad falling out in 2010, and he had put out, out of 3 nowhere that -- on Twitter, Facebook and a blast email that 4 Randy Credico died of an overdose, may he rest in peace. Now, I was in California at that time. 5 I was in Berkeley 6 California, where the Pacifica main station is, KPFA. 7 six o'clock in the morning there. 8 I did not even, I did not even have it on. 9 charged. This is 2011 I guess. It was My phone was being charged. It was being So I turn it on. I had all of 10 these message saying that -- like worried about me that I had 11 died. So he had put it out there in three different locations 12 13 Facebook, Twitter, I guess, and Gmail that Randy Credico died, 14 may he rest in peace, of an overdoes. 15 some problems, that's all I can tell you. 16 Q. How did it make you feel, that Mr. Stone had done that? 17 A. Well, the thing is, it's a big practical joke, except my 18 friends and family did not find it the kind of joke -- you 19 don't put it out there and I can't respond to it because I'm 20 asleep and I'm in California. 21 that. 22 ahold of him and he retracted that reluctantly -- not 23 reluctantly, but he did retract it. 24 Q. 25 that correct? People were -- it caused There's nothing I can do about But I know some other people said that they did get It was in the context of, you said, of a falling out; is Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 92 of 138 628 1 A. Yeah, yes. 2 Q. When you referred to it five years later, had you made 3 your peace with that particular incident? 4 A. 5 because it happened again, and he had some of his friend that 6 had put it out there, he continued to put it out there that 7 Randy Credico died of an OD. Well, with that, it's something I never forgot, you know, 8 MR. BUSCHEL: 9 MR. ZELINSKY: Objection, hearsay. Your Honor, can I -- it's not being 10 put in for the truth of the matter asserted. 11 very much alive. 12 THE COURT: Right. 13 THE WITNESS: 14 THE COURT: Mr. Credico is I know that. Even though I mumble. Mumbling or not, he's here. 15 objection was to he had his friend put it out. 16 an assertion. 17 THE WITNESS: 18 THE COURT: 19 I think the I think that is I'm sorry. Let me deal with the lawyer, and the lawyer will ask you the next question. MR. ZELINSKY: 20 Thank you, Your Honor. 21 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 22 Q. Moving on, Mr. Credico -- 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. -- you wrote back, "Great, Hillary's campaign will die 25 this week." Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 93 of 138 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And then you'll see that you wrote, "Call ASAP." 629 Do you see that? 3 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. The next message Mr. Stone wrote to you that starts, 6 "Did," do you see that? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. What did it say? 9 A. "Did Assange back off?" 10 Q. Thank you. Let's move on. You responded to Mr. Stone on October 3rd, 2016 -- I'm 11 12 sorry, if we could go back to the previous page, the page we 13 were on, what did you write to Mr. Stone? 14 A. "I can't talk about it." 15 Q. Why couldn't you talk about it? 16 A. Because I had nothing to say. 17 Q. But what did you want Mr. Stone to think? 18 A. That maybe I knew that something was coming out. 19 Q. Let's move to the next page, and one more page beyond 20 that. 21 you sent below it. You'll see that picture that says -- that has text that Do you see that? 22 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And what did you write? 25 A. "How safe do you think anyone is in that little building?" Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 94 of 138 1 Q. 2 referring to? 3 A. 4 where Julian Assange was in exile. 5 Q. 6 see that you wrote, "I think it's on for tomorrow" -- 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. -- do you see that? 630 When you wrote "that little building," what were you It's the same -- it's the Ecuadorian embassy in London Then if you move to the bottom of the messages. You'll What made you think -- well, first let's go to, what were 9 10 you referring to when you wrote, "it's"? 11 A. 12 not word, there were news stories, and he had said that -- and 13 Sarah Harrison, I believe, said it, that they were putting 14 something out in October. 15 Q. Sir, who is "he"? 16 A. Julian Assange. 17 Q. Thank you. He had been saying there's word coming out that he was -- 18 On the next page of the exhibit, you'll see that it says, 19 "If I were you, I wouldn't make any definitive statements for 20 the next 24 hours." Do you see that? 21 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And did you send that message to Roger Stone? 24 A. Looks like I did. 25 Q. If you move further down, there's a message that begins, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 95 of 138 1 "I'm sorry" -MR. ZELINSKY: 2 3 631 And if we could do -- enlarge that to the bottom of the screen. THE WITNESS: 4 Okay. "I'm sorry I can't have a 5 private conversation with you, but some major S-H-S blank, 6 blank, blank is coming. 7 talk to you after it happens, good bye." 8 Q. 9 what was your basis of knowledge? I'll talk to you about it" -- I'll When you told Mr. Stone there was some major stuff coming, 10 A. Just it was either instinct or I was bluffing. 11 Q. Then when you said to Mr. Stone, "I'm giving you all of 12 the information I have until tomorrow," what were you 13 referencing? 14 A. When I say, "I'll talk to you after it happens, goodbye." 15 Q. On the bottom you see a message from Mr. Stone? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. It says, "I told to you go on Signal which is secure." Do you see that? 18 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. What is your understanding of what "Signal" means in that 21 message? 22 A. 23 messaging system which I did not have, did not have until the 24 following year. 25 Q. Signal is an encrypted phone messaging -- encrypted phone But you understood Mr. Stone to be referring to an Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 96 of 138 1 encrypted messaging system; is that correct? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Let's move on to the next page. 4 message at 11:08. 632 Yes. On this page you sent a Do you see that, sir? 5 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. What did you write? 8 A. "And by the way, your friend did not have a meeting with 9 Julian Assange. That's a complete lie." 10 Q. What are you referring to in this message? 11 A. To whoever his so-called back channel was. 12 the name. 13 to like put hearsay out there. 14 Q. It could have been somebody else, and I don't want That's fine, Mr. Credico. Thank you, that's enough. Moving on to the next line, did Mr. Stone respond to your 15 16 message? 17 A. Yes. MR. ZELINSKY: 18 19 I did not know If we can blow up those four messages at the bottom. THE WITNESS: 20 "He scheduled a press conference at 21 3:00 a.m. our time." Stone says this. 22 Q. And then what did Mr. Stone write in response? 23 A. "How would you know, Rummy?" 24 Q. Mr. Stone, have you in the past had a history of alcohol 25 use? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 97 of 138 I was in show business for forty years. 633 1 A. There was always 2 a lot of alcohol around in nightclubs. 3 from "The Lost Weekend," or Otis from "Andy and Mayberry." 4 not like that. 5 But I have been sober right now for the last year. 6 in and out of sobriety, AA, for 34 years, as a matter of fact. 7 Q. 8 struggles with alcohol when he wrote that line? 9 A. Yes, yes. 10 Q. The next line that you wrote says, "because I'm best 11 friends with his lawyer and leave it at that and leave it 12 alone." I am not Ray Milland I'm That's the impression that people may have. I have been Did you understand Mr. Stone to be referencing your Do you see that? 13 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Who were you referring to when you wrote, "I'm best 16 friends with his lawyer"? 17 A. Margaret Ratner Kunstler. 18 Q. And what was the basis of your knowledge that Mr. Stone's 19 friend had not had a meeting with Julian Assange? 20 A. 21 I didn't ask her that. 22 asked, but I don't remember if this person -- whoever it was, 23 because I didn't know who it was. 24 channel -- 25 Q. You know, I really don't know. Thank you. I really don't remember. I really don't remember, but I may have He said he had a back Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 98 of 138 1 A. 2 talking about. 3 Q. 634 -- and then there was somebody else he may have been Thank you. Thank you, sir. 4 Let's move now to Exhibit 59. 5 Do you see that? Mr. Stone sent you a story. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And it's labeled, "October Surprise Thwarted." Do you see that? 8 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And what was the subject of the email Mr. Stone sent you? 11 A. "WTF," question mark; what the, blank, question mark. 12 Q. What did you respond? 13 A. "Head fake." 14 Q. What did you mean when you wrote "head fake"? 15 A. That means that it's probably a head fake. 16 that he's throwing people off. 17 something, it's a ruse to throw people off and -- it's a 18 football metaphor. 19 Q. It's a term. That means You know you do Let's move to Government's Exhibit 191. Do you see the message there, "All I did in London"? 20 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. What did you refer to when you were referring to, "All I 23 did in London"? 24 A. 25 Crimmins, all I did in London was deliver a letter from WBAI Was my trip in London -- when I was there to see Barry Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 99 of 138 635 1 station manager to invite them to have their own weekly radio 2 show, that would be Julian Assange and WikiLeaks to have their 3 own weekly radio show out of that embassy. 4 Q. 5 deliver a letter to invite them have their own weekly radio 6 show. 7 A. 8 Barry Crimmins, was what I went there for, but I also delivered 9 that. Sir, when you wrote this, that all did you in London was Was that the truth? Yes, that's what I gave them. I mean, I went there to see But that was the only contact I had, was to deliver this 10 letter from Berthold Reimers, the general manager of WBAI. 11 Q. 12 do -- you see the message where it says, "Just left ahead of 13 the FBI, who showed up at apartment about an hour after I 14 left." Moving now to the third page of this exhibit, do you see Do you remember receiving this message from Mr. Stone? 15 16 A. It looks familiar, yes. 17 Q. And you responded; is that right? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. What did you write? 20 A. "Seriously?" 21 Q. Moving to the next page, at the top -- 22 THE COURT: 23 MR. ZELINSKY: 24 25 What date are we on now? I'm sorry, Your Honor. If we could go to the previous page of the Exhibit, please, and the previous one, the one previous to that and one Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 100 of 138 1 more. 2 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 3 Q. What was the date of these communications, sir? 4 A. October 15th, 2016. 5 Q. Thank you. 636 If we could zoom in on the date at the top. THE COURT: 6 Thank you. 7 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 8 Q. 9 wrote to Mr. Stone, do you see where it begins, "Fact of the If we could return to the fourth page at the top, you 10 matter is"? 11 A. 12 about because no one's communicated directly with Assange 13 except for on my radio show, I just delivered a letter to him." 14 Q. Is that the truth, sir? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And what did Mr. Stone respond? 17 A. "I suggest we stonewall it, please, plead the Fifth" -- 18 this is 2017, I'm sorry, not 2016. 19 Q. Sir -- 20 A. I don't know the date here. Yeah. "Fact of the matter is, you got nothing to worry MR. ZELINSKY: 21 If we could go back to the first page 22 of this exhibit, please, and we could enlarge the date. 23 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 24 Q. What is the date of this message? 25 A. October 15, 2016. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 101 of 138 637 1 Q. If we could go back -- 2 A. Sorry. 3 Q. -- when Mr. Stone wrote, "I suggest we stonewall it," what 4 did you respond? 5 A. 6 save the plan." 7 "What plan? "I suggest we stonewall it, plead the Fifth, anything to 8 Q. 9 Mr. Stone? Stop busting my" -- Were you aware at that time of any plan that you had with 10 A. I don't remember a plan. 11 Q. Had you provided any inside information you heard from 12 anyone to Mr. Stone? 13 A. No, no inside information. 14 Q. Let's turn now to the post-election period, sir. 15 A. Okay. 16 Q. -- that is the period of time after November 8th, 2016. 17 We are going to move now to Government's Exhibit 192. THE COURT: 18 19 Mr. Zelinsky, let me just get timing from you. 20 MR. ZELINSKY: 21 THE COURT: 22 23 24 25 Your Honor -- I'm sorry. How far are we in your direct examination? MR. ZELINSKY: I think if the Court is inclined to break, there's probably about another half hour left of direct. THE COURT: And then that would be -- Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 102 of 138 MR. ZELINSKY: 1 2 638 That would be the end of our direct examination. THE COURT: 3 Okay, let's try to do that. 4 Does that work for everybody? 5 And then we'll break at five, which is one of the times I 6 said we would possibly go to. MR. ZELINSKY: 7 Your Honor, it is possible, given the 8 speed at which we're moving, and I just want to be clear for 9 the jury, we may not be done at five o'clock. THE COURT: 10 Why don't you try to go for another 15, 11 20 minutes, and if you aren't done, we'll try to get to a 12 logical subject-matter breaking point and stop. MR. ZELINSKY: 13 Thank you, your Honor. 14 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 15 Q. Let's turn now to the post-election time period -- 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. -- Exhibit 192. After the election, did you do work for Roger Stone? 18 19 A. Yes. 20 MR. ZELINSKY: If we can enlarge the list here. 21 sorry, let's start at the header. 22 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 23 Q. 24 message from, sir? 25 A. You see there that there's a message, and who is the From Randy Credico. I'm Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 103 of 138 639 1 Q. Who is it to? 2 A. To Roger Stone. 3 Q. What is the date? 4 A. November 30th, 2016. 5 Q. Below it, just below that, there's a list of names? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And this list of names, what is it? 8 A. Those are voices that I was suggesting that I would do for 9 his radio show as bumpers or as promotions. These are the 10 voices that I could do pretty well and that people would 11 recognize. THE COURT: 12 I just thought he was going to treat us 13 to it, and I wanted to make sure that we get didn't get into 14 that. It might take too long. 15 THE WITNESS: 16 THE COURT: 17 THE WITNESS: 18 THE COURT: 19 THE WITNESS: 20 THE COURT: 21 Would you like to hear some of them? No, not right now. Not even Bernie Sanders? None of them. I won't do it then. When asked, but if the question is not asked, you don't get to answer it. THE WITNESS: 22 23 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 24 Q. Mr. Credico -- 25 A. Yes. I won't do any voices, I promise. Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 104 of 138 640 1 Q. -- you see that there's a line that says, "Brando 2 Godfather"; is that correct? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. What does that refer to? 5 A. Well, Brando Godfather there, now Brando -- if you're an 6 impressionist, when you are an impressionist, over the years 7 people's voice -- voices change as an impressionist. 8 been doing it since I was sixteen, fifty years almost of 9 impressions. So people change. 10 I have You go look at someone like Jimmy 11 Stewart when he's young as opposed to when he's old, it's a 12 totally different voice when you are doing Campbell's Soup 13 commercials. 14 Now, Brando, when he did "On the Waterfront," or if he did 15 any one of those movies, "Streetcar Called [sic] Desire," that 16 one, he had one of those voices that was a lot different than 17 "The Godfather." 18 cotton in his mouth, and it was more of a raspy thing. 19 was there, Brando from "The Godfather," not Brando from "On the 20 Waterfront." Godfather was done 20 years later, and he had Took me a long time to say that, I'm sorry. 21 22 Q. 23 not be as familiar with filmography. 24 25 So it I want to unpack that for a minute with people that may When you say, "Brando from The Godfather," is Marlon Brando an actor that appears in "The Godfather"? Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 105 of 138 1 A. Yes, he's the Godfather. 2 Q. He's in "The Godfather" Part 1; is that correct? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And the name of his character, if you remember? 5 A. Is Don Vito Corleone. 6 Q. You did an impression of Marlon Brando from "The 7 Godfather" Part 1, correct? 8 A. Yes, I did. 9 Q. In -- 10 A. You're tempting me to do the voice. 11 Q. Sir, if you could answer the questions. THE COURT: 12 13 Godfather 1, he's the Godfather. We know you're a comedian, but this is serious business. THE WITNESS: 14 I know it is. I know, I'm sorry. So the Godfather, that was the voice that I was doing, 15 16 yes. 17 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 18 Q. Thank you, sir. Did you ever do an impression of a character named Frank 19 20 Pentangeli? 21 A. 22 be -- Michael V. Gazzo is the character. 23 like a little thing for somebody, but he wasn't somebody I 24 would do in my act. 25 641 Not in my act. I never did Frank Pentangeli, which would I may have done it You try to do the main characters. I did Pacino, and I did Marlon Brando, but I never did Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 106 of 138 1 Frank Pentangeli in my act. 2 Q. 642 Thank you, sir. 3 THE COURT: Did you do it for friends? 4 THE WITNESS: I did it for a guy by the name of Steve 5 Schirripa, who was an actor. I would do it, this one little 6 piece, but it wasn't one that you would do. 7 BY MR. ZELINSKY: 8 Q. 9 Frank Pentangeli, when did you do that impression? Sir, when you did this impression for Steve Schirripa, of 10 A. I knew him in Vegas back in the '70s. He was a doorman 11 there. 12 he would hit the -- it was just the one line, and it wasn't the 13 scene at the Kefauver Committee. 14 there, a little meeting. We both liked that movie, and there was one line that It was something else in It was one line that he loved. So I would did it in the '70s, and I would see the guy 15 16 every four or five years and I would do it. It was kind of an 17 inside deal. 18 Q. 19 that correct? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Did you ever do a Frank Pentangeli impression for 22 Mr. Stone? 23 A. 24 the same little excerpt at some point in my lifetime over 25 17 years, I don't recall. It was an inside joke between you and Mr. Schirripa; is I could have, I could have done like that, the same voice, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 107 of 138 643 1 Q. You don't recall ever doing it for Mr. Stone? 2 A. Not -- I never did it for any of his radio shows. 3 don't recall doing Frank Pentan- -- I don't recall doing Frank 4 Pentangeli. 5 Q. And I Thank you, sir. The scene that you did for Mr. Schirripa in the '70s, that 6 7 one line as an inside joke, that is not the scene were 8 Mr. Pentangeli testifies falsely in front of Congress; is that 9 correct? 10 A. No. It's a scene that takes place in New York. 11 Q. It's a totally different scene; is that correct? 12 A. It's a scene that takes place in New York, yes. 13 Q. Thank you, sir. Let's move to Exhibit 61. On Exhibit 61, could you read -- first of all, what's the 14 15 date of this email, sir? 16 A. It's January 6th, 2017. 17 Q. What was the subject of this email? 18 A. "Back Channel BS." 19 Q. Who is the email from? 20 A. From me. 21 Q. And who did you send the email to? 22 A. Mr. Stone. 23 Q. Could you read the email, please? 24 A. "Well, I have put together time lines. 25 you have a back channel way back, a month before I had Assange And you and I said Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 108 of 138 644 1 on my show. 2 Assange other than my radio show. 3 together, so you may as well tell the truth that you had no 4 back channel or there's the guy you were talking about earlier 5 in August." 6 Q. 7 Mr. Credico. I have pieced it all Now, I want to go over this message for a moment with you, What triggered you writing this message? 8 9 I have never had a conversation with Julian A. Because he -- you know, this is after the election and, 10 you know, I asked him one day, I -- because there was some 11 talk -- 12 Q. Sir -- 13 A. -- or actually, Julian Assange was on -- 14 Q. Mr. Credico, sir, you are referring to "he" -- 15 A. Mr. Stone, Mr. Stone. 16 Q. Thank you. 17 A. I'm going to go back to Julian Assange was on with Sean 18 Hannity. 19 channel, and then it started to get back to me. There was talk out there that Roger Stone had a back Sean Hannity asked Assange about that. 20 He cleared it up on 21 Fox News in an interview that Hannity did -- 22 Q. 23 message, you and Roger Stone had conversations -- 24 A. 25 that -- I said, "Who was your back channel?" Sir, if we could just stick to when you wrote this Yes, about -- about me, he said that he could prove Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 109 of 138 And he said, "That would be you," just like that, "That 1 2 645 would be you." 3 And I said, "I wasn't the back channel." 4 And he said, "Well, I can prove it because I have this 5 email from Margaret Kunstler, the lawyer." 6 Q. 7 and review materials? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. What did you review? 10 A. What did I review? 11 Q. Did you look over your email, sir? 12 A. Yes, I went through all of my emails in 2014 -- 2016. 13 Q. What did you conclude? 14 A. I concluded that I had no conversations with Roger Stone 15 about Julian Assange until that text message I sent on 16 August 19th. 17 Q. 18 as well tell the truth, you had no back challenge, or there's 19 the guy you were talking about early August" -- 20 A. Right. 21 Q. -- when you wrote that message on January 6th, 2017, who 22 were you referencing when you said, "The guy you were talking 23 about," or what were you referencing in early August? 24 A. 25 event, the one that he told me about on September -- And did that -- after that conversation, did you go back Yes. I mean I just -- And when you wrote at the bottom of this message, "You may Well, he said he had a back channel at the Broward County Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 110 of 138 646 1 September 9th, when I -- the Gary Johnson deal, when he said he 2 had a back channel. 3 September 9th, so that was the guy that he talked about in 4 August. MR. ZELINSKY: 5 6 Your Honor, I think if it's okay with the Court, we have reached a logical breaking point. THE COURT: 7 8 That was a journalist on, I think, All right. I'm going to ask the witness, if you could just step down 10 out of the witness stand. 11 that row there. 12 THE WITNESS: 13 THE COURT: 15 16 17 It's been a long day. 9 14 I think that's fine. Why don't you just take a seat in Where? Just that front row inside the well of the courtroom. Members of the jury, I'm going to excuse you for the evening. We'll beginning at the same time tomorrow morning. I'm want to caution you once again that you are not to 18 discuss this case or any of the evidence you've heard -- which 19 is still just a part of the case, it has not been submitted to 20 you -- among yourselves or with anyone else. 21 You are also not to fire up your computers this evening or 22 go to the library and research anything that relates to this 23 case. 24 about Mr. Stone, about anyone you've heard about so far, and 25 not even downloading The Godfather on Netflix. You should not be looking up anything about the House, Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 111 of 138 1 647 I don't want you to improve your understanding or 2 supplement your understanding about anything that's of issue 3 with this case with information that you have not received in 4 this courtroom. 5 So there are plenty of other things you can do this 6 evening, so please have a pleasant evening and we'll see you 7 tomorrow. 8 (Jurors excused 4:49 p.m.) THE COURT: 9 I plan to resume at 9:30 tomorrow 10 morning, and we'll just continue with the testimony of this 11 witness. 12 13 14 Do you know how you're going to adjust your schedule, or do you want to -- can you tell the parties. MR. ZELINSKY: Yes, we can -- I expect this witness 15 to be on, as I look at it now, and when we're not trying to get 16 in before the deadline. 17 45 minutes of his testimony left on direct. 18 19 THE COURT: There's probably approximately Direct, then he needs to be cross-examined. 20 MR. ZELINSKY: 21 THE COURT: Correct. And so I think you need at least one more 22 person teed up to go, if not also the person whose testimony 23 was likely to be short. 24 MR. ZELINSKY: 25 Yes, Your Honor, we will have those witnesses ready to go, and so that we will be able to continue Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 112 of 138 648 1 moving the trial along tomorrow, whenever Mr. Credico gets off 2 the stand. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: you tomorrow at 9:30. All right, everyone is excused. Have a pleasant evening. (Trial adjourned at 4:50 p.m.) -oOo- I'll see Case 1:19-cr-00018-ABJ Document 300 Filed 02/14/20 Page 113 of 138 1 2 649 CERTIFICATE I certify that the foregoing is a true and correct 3 transcript, to the best of my ability, of the above pages, of 4 the stenographic notes provided to me by the United States 5 District Court, of the proceedings taken on the date and time 6 previously stated in the above matter. 7 I further certify that I am neither counsel for, related 8 to, nor employed by any of the parties to the action in which 9 this hearing was taken, and further that I am not financially 10 nor otherwise interested in the outcome of the action. 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 _________________________________ /s/ Crystal M. 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