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Earl Gray:

There's

Michelle Presco...:

I‘m good. also have 0n back here, too.

Earl Gray:

{crosstalk}

Kevin Keane:

Earl, can [give you this?

Earl Gray:

Sure.

Kevin Keane:

Your last report.

Michelle Presco...:

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was going to say, i have a table over here If that's easier.

Earl Gray:

This means you're signing this, you're agreeing that it‘s a
voluntary statement.

Kevin Keane:

And just want to say one blurb at the beginning about
{crosstalk}. Just want to
make sure, just for our portion, that he can leave at any time. That's all I'm
going to say is it's a voluntary statement. He can leave at any time.

Earl Gray:

We’ve agreed to give a statement to the BCA about the conduct. We've not
agreed to give a statement to the FBI that's investigating the civil rights deal.

Kevin Keane:

All right. I'm not going to interject. l appreciate you being here, so
any time that
you want to say something, just say it.

Earl Gray:

Okay.

Kevin Keane:

We‘ll, you know that.

Brent Peterson:

All right. Thank you.

Kevin Keane:

So l shouldn't ask. You're going to object if I ask any questions.

Earl Gray:

Yeah.

Kevin Keane:

Okay.

Brent Peterson:

We're okay though?

Earl Gray:

Yep. It's good.

Kevin Keane:

Can you put that on, the other recording

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Kevin Keane:

Okay.

Ear! Gray:

Why is this room? Why are we in this little room?

Michelle Presco...:

Because typically we do it at the agency and so we don‘t have
a ton of
,

Eari Gray:

We're not six foot away from you.

Kevin Keane:

We're not set up for this.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. So we‘re going to try to run this like we typically run these, right?

Earl Gray:

Sure.

Brent Peterson:

i'm just going to identify everybody in the roam here for the
record, okay? So
today's date is May 31$t, 2020. Time is 13:15 hours. This is Special Agent Brent
Peterson with the BCA. Our case number is 2020338. Also
present is

Special
Agent Michelle [Presconi] for the BCA; Special Agent Kevin [Keane] with the FBI;
attorney Earl Gray and attorney Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray:

Brent Peterson:

I'm a law clerk.

Okay. Law clerk. Thank you. Law clerk Kevin Gray. And then it's Thomas Lane, is

that correct?
Thomas Lane:

Yes} sir.

Bre nt Peterson:

Okay. Can Iiust get, Thomas
you prefer? Mr. Lane?

Thomas Lane:

Thomas is usually what l go by. Not Mr. Lane, or whatever.

Bre nt Peterson:

Okay. What‘s your middle name, Thomas?

Thomas Lane:

Kiernan, K-I E R N A N.

Brent Peterson:

All right. And then Lane is L-A—N«E?

Thomas Lane:

L-A-N-E.

Brent Peterson:

All right. Thank you. And what's

Thomas Lane:

March 8th, 1983.

Brent Peterson:

All right.

Earl Gray:

Do you need it?

Is

Do you go by Thomas, or Tom, or vvhat would

a

birth date foryou, sir?

there an address we could get for you?

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Thomas Lane:

I'd rather not give an add ress right now.

Brent Peterson:

can't make you do anything. I‘m just
going to ask. If you don't want to give us,
that's ne.

Earl Gray:

[inaudible] Ramsey county? Ramsey county.

Brent Peterson:

How about a telephone number?

Earl Gray:

Don't want to give that out either.

Brent Peterson:

Sounds good. All right. So before we started
here, l presented you, your
attorney, what's called the criminal investigation warning form. You had an
opportunity to go over that with your attorney? So just so it's clear, you're here
voluntarily. You are not under arrest. You are not going to be arrested. We are
here to take a voluntary statement from
you. [s that accurate?

Thomas Lane:

Yes.

Brent Peterson:

ls that

Thomas Lane:

Yes.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. And are you good talking to us about what happened that day?

Thomas Lane:

YES.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. It's kind of also been stated that any questioning from the FBI, you will
not be answering questions from them. ls that clear?

Earl Gray:

That’s correct. Yes.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Understood.

Earl Gray:

it’s a different investigation, in our belief, than the
investigation you're
conducting. So did you want to put something on the record?

Kevin Keane:

No, nope. [crosstalk] was just wondering if you're open the
possibility after this
of sitting down and having a completeiy separate interview with us-

Earl Gray:

No. Not unless we know the questions ahead of time.

Kevin Keane:

Okay. I‘m sure that that can be worked out between you and Mr. Paul.

Earl Gray:

Yes. Jeff and l know each other.

Kevin Keane:

Okay.

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your understanding of why you're here?

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Brent Peterson:

Okay. Well, iet's just start then with how we do this. We just want to learn a
iittle bit about your background to begin. Can you just tell us what your
education, what experience is post-high school? You have a college degree?

Thomas Lane:

do. l went to Century Community College for a couple of years. All four
years,
actually. ended up getting an associate's degree from there. Then transferred
 

 

 

to the University of Minnesota, where got a Bachelor of Science degree in
sociology of law, criminology and deviance with emphasis in policy and
[inaudible].
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Brent Peterson:

Okay. And what year did you get your degree from the-

Thomas Lane:

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believe it was 2016.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. 2015. Let me ask. Do you have any military experience?

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

Are you veteran or anything like that?

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. How long total were you in law enforcement?

Thomas Lane:

As in the process, or working

Brent Peterso n:

From start to finish. Did you have any prior experience to Minneapolis, I guess?

Thomas Lane:

NO.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. So Minneapolis Police Department was your sole agency that you worked

for?
Thomas Lane:

Yes.

Brent Peterson:

When did you start?

Thomas La ne:

l

Brent Peterson:

2013.

Thomas Lane:

0r 2019.

Brent Peterson:

So you were hired as a cadet?

Thomas Lane:

YES .

was hired the end of February in 2018.

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Brent Peterson:

Okay. So can you just explain that cadet process to us?

Thomas Lane:

went for ve weeks of [inaudible] training at Century Coliege. From there, I
went to a Hennepin County technical college, HTC, for the skills portion of the
training to get post-licensed. That was about five months. And then from there,
Iwent to the Minneapolis Police Academy, and that was about four months.

Brent Peterson:

Four months. Okay, and so when you're
peace ofcer?

Thomas Lane:

No. You're not sworn until you graduate from the academy.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Can you tell us a little more about the academy experience? You said it's
four months. What does that encompass in those four months?

Thomas Lane:

Physical training, hands-on training, defensive tactic training, weapons training.
Education policy, statutes and stuff like that. Geography. Departmental
knowledge.

Brent Peterson:

So when you're done with the police academy, what happens?

Thomas Lane:

You start the field training process, FTO, and that's approximately four months.

 

a

cadet, are you a sworn, licensed

Four—and—a-half.

Brent Peterson:

What does the FTO process mean? What do you do in the FTO process?

Thomas Lane:

FTO process, you ride with a training officer. The training officer goes to calls
with you, and you work through the calls together typically as a squad.

Brent Peterson:

So when you first start on FTO, are you taking calls, and you're being evaluated?

Thomas Lane:

Actually-

Bre nt Peterson:

Or is it kind of a graduated progression?

Thomas Lane:

There was an orientation period, lforgot, that was immediately after the
academy, where you spent like a week in dispatch, or a couple days in dispatch,
a couple days with investigations, and then three weeks of orientation, which
was just you were riding with an officer, and they were just showing you how
stuff works. You weren't really expected to do a whole lot of hands-on or
policing.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Are you in uniform in all of that?

Thomas Lane:

You're still in uniform, and you're fully-

Brent Peterson:

You have your firearm and all that?

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Thomas Lane:

It's just more for kind of understanding the process, and getting used to the
radio and the computers. Turning the radio on and off, and locking doors.

Brent Peterson:

So are you assigned the same field training officer for the entire process-

Thomas Lane:

No. For my orientation period, l kind of had a few different people that would
ride with. but then for once you start the actual FTC} process, had one ofcer
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the first month, a different officer the second month. And then for the nal two
months, I had one officer. So had three field training officers over the course.
 

Brent Peterson:

So that first month, what area of the city were you working?

Thomas Lane:

Downtown.

Brent Peterson:

Downtown. What hours or what shift?

Thomas Lane:

was power shift, so 8:00 PM to
4:00 AM. 6:00 to 4:00.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. So downtown command for that first month of fieid training.

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. fcrosstaik]

Brent Peterson:

And then the second month, you go to a different precinct?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. Everyone's schedule and where they went was different, but I went to
third precinct for that second one.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. What shift were you working?

Thomas Lane:
Brent Peterson:

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No, what was it? Power shift gets done at

was working dog watch, 8:00 to 6:00 AM.

All right. And then the final two months

Thomas Lane:

Was on mid watch.

Brent Peterson:

In

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

Understood. At the end of your FI‘O training, is there an evaluation period?

Thomas Lane:

A pending period, yep.

Brent Peterson:

What

the third precinct?

is

that?

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Thomas Lane:

You do 10 shifts as an able squad, where your FTO basicaltyjust rides on, and
you can't ask them any questions. They don't do anything. They're there as
backup for you. You handle ail the cails. You work the radio and computer. You
drive. You do everything.

Brent Pete rson:

Okay. is your FTO in a uniform?

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

For that 10-days?

Thomas Lane:

Mm-hmm {affirmative)._

Brent Peterson:

Okay. But you can't use them as a resource unless it's an emergency or
something?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah, they‘re there only for safety and basically you're supposed to think of it
like you're riding along.

Brent Peterson:

So did you successfully complete the eld
Police?

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

When did you nish

Thomas Lane:

It

Brent Peterson:

This incident we're going to talk about?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Brent Peterson:

Okay, so in May? Mid-May here.

Thomas Lane:

I'm not sure of the exact date.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. So then you nished

Thomas Lane:

That Wednesday

Ear! Gray:

Memorial Day was Monday.

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. it was.

Brent Peterson:

The Wednesday prior. Okay, great. So you've been signed off, you're good to go
on sole patrol at that point?

training process at Minneapolis

your 10 day evaluation?

was the Wednesday before

It

the 10-day-

Yeah.

was the Wednesday.

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Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

Can you just describe for us when you're on patrol what your uniform looks
like? Just start from head to toe, describe it.

Thomas Lane:

You wear your vest under. would wear it underneath my shirt. You‘ve got your
blue shirts, your work pants, work boots. Your belt, your duty belt, badge;
nameplate. Notepad. Your duty belt has all your everything on it.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. What's on your duty belt?

Thomas Lane:

You have mace, taser, handcuffs, radio. Two sets of handcuffs. Your service
weapon. Key. l had my squad key on there.

Brent Peterson:

What kind of handgun are you issued?

Thomas Lane:

Sig P320 ls the one thatl

Brent Peterson:

ls

Thomas Lane:

Yeah.

Bre nt Peterson:

Okay.

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

okay.

Thomas Lane:

We have patches on each shoulder.

Brent Peterson:

As far as your training in the academy guess, are there some specic topics
that are covered in training? Obviously, there's rearms, and there's use of
force, but do you have to go through crisis intervention, or anything like that?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah, believe there's courses in that. don‘t know about crisis intervention,
that term specifically, but we had scenarios with emotionally disturbed people,
and that type of thing.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Like deescalation, things like that. Techniques.

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Peterson:

Okay- Are you issued a body-wo rn camera?

Thomas Lane:

Yep. Oh, yeah. The body camera is on.

Brent PetErson:

Where do you usually put that on your person?

I

We had three options, and that’s the one picked.
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that a nine millimeter?

In

that uniform, clearly identiable

as a police ofcer?

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Thomas Lane:

Right in the front center on mine.

Brent Petersan:

Okay. And what's the understanding about the body-worn camera, and when
it’s supposed to be activated, deactivated? You don't have to quote for me the
policy, but just generatly your understanding of when you're supposed to.

Thomas Lane:

Two blocks before you arrive to a call, and then deactivation I guess varies.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Do you know if your body-worn camera was activated on the date that
we're going to talk about?

Thomas Lane:

it was.

Brent Pete rson:

Have you had an opportunity to see that video?

Thomas Lane:

I

have.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. When did you see that video?

Thomas Lane:

lwatched it afterthe incident, and then ljust recently watched it again.

Brent Peterson:

So on the date of the incident, or maybe it was the morning after, you watched

it?
Thomas Lane:

Mm-hmm (afrmative).

Brent Peterson:

Where were you when you viewed that?

Thomas Lane:

In the squad car.

Brent Peterson:

In

Thomas Lane:

Mrn-hmrn (affirmative).

Brent Peterson:

How many times today did you watch it?

Thomas Lane:

Just once.

Brent Peterson:

Just once. And who was present with you?

Thomas Lane:

These guys, and one of the [inaudible].

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

Earl Gray:

[crosstalk]

the sq uad car. Okay. And then you just watched it again today.

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Brent Pete rson:

Mr. Gray and then [inaudible] with the BEA. All right. Have you seen any other
officer's-

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

The squad car you were in that day, did that have a recording device in it?

Thomas Lane:

It has

Brent Peterson:

Do you know if that was activated?

Thomas Lane:

That was not activated.

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

Thomas Lane:

Typically,

Brent Peterson:

How does that work? How does the MVR [crosstalk]-

Thomas Lane:

MVR is any time the lights and sirens are activated, it kicks on, and you can also
press a button to turn it on if you put someone in the back.

Brent Peterson:

Okay, understood. What did the squad car took like that you were in that day?

Thomas Lane:

Fully marked, Squad 320.

Brent Peterson:

Squad 320. Light bar on top?

Thomas Lane:

Fully marked. Yeah.

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

Thomas Lane:

Black and white.

Brent Peterson:

Yep. No question it's a Minneapolis Police Department vehicle?

Thomas Lane:

Nope.

Bre nt Peterson:

Okay. All right.

an MVR, yeah.

 

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always records the front and the backseat.

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So you haven't been on very long. So the use of force training and rearms
training, that was all done at the academy?

Thomas La ne:

Mm-hmrn (afrmative).

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

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Earl Gravi:

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Brent Peterson:

Piease.

Earl Gray:

Chauvin was one of your trainers.

Brent Peterson:

In

Thomas Lane:

He was a field training officer.

Brent Peterson:

Was he your field training ofcer?

Thomas Lane:

He was not;

Brent Peterson:

Okay. Was he

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

Like did he have a topic that he trained?

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

Earl Gray:

Well, you had contact with him before this date, correct?

Thomas Lane:

Yes. You wa nt me to get into this?

Earl Gray:

Yes.

Thomas Lane:

Okay, so he was one ofthe other training officers in the precinct that i worked
in. He trained another ofcer that was in training as well, and as i said with the
10 day process, when you're going doing that, you're an able squad. You can‘t
ask your FTO, but you can ask other officers on scene, or you can call other
officers and ask them questions on best practices for handiing a call, reminding,
making sure you're not forgetting anything. So had interaction with Chauvin
before the incident, and he had given me guidance on how to handle certain
calls.

might add

what way?

a

trainer at the academy as well?

 

Bre nt Peterson:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you used him as a resource during
your 10 day evaluation?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. There was a few calls where was with another training officer, and he
had given me advice on how to best handle a call, and best handle the situation.

Brent Peterson:

Was he the-only person that vou-

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Thomas Lane:

There was other officers. I had phone numbers. I'd called other officers, and
didn‘t necessariiv have Chauvin's number, but he was someone that I'd talked to
for advice on cafls during my 10 day period.

Brent Peterson:

Okay.

Thomas Lane:

And prior.

Brent Peterson:

Did you work with him though pretty regularly during that time at the precinct?

Thomas Lane:

Yeah. wouldn*t say reguiariy because it depends on the day. Sometimes you
see a lot of officers on a call, and sometimes you won't see someone. Depends
on what kind of calls you go to, but! would have interaction with him, and see
him on calls.

Brent Peterson;

Okay.

Earl Gray:

He was your partner's field training officer, right?

Thomas Lane:

He was. He'was Kueng's training officer.

Brent PeterSOn:

Ofcer

Thomas Lane:

Yep.

Brent Petersonr

Understood. Okay. How about outside of work?

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

You and Officer Chauvin socialize or anything?

Thomas Lane:

No.

Brent Peterson:

Okay. All right. So your experience with him was strictly professionally.

Thomas Lane:

Yeah.

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Brent Peterson:

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Kueng?

it sounds Iike. Okay, understood. Well, thank you for that. We may talk about
a little hit more here, too.

that
Thomas Lane:

Sure.

Brent Peterson:

What we're largely interested in now is hearing what happened.

Thomas ta ne:

Okay.

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Brent Peterson:

This happened on Monday the 25th. It was Memorial Day. Iguess just tell us in
your own words with as much detail as passible what happened from your
perspective.

Thomas Lane:

Okay. We were dispatched to a forgery in progress report at Cup Foods. I
betieve in the call notes it said that the susped was still on scene in a Mercedes,
and they might've given a color. I'm not sure. Going to the call, we didn't
activate our lights and sirens, just because believe we were relatively close, We
got there, and entered the building. Entered Cup Foods, the business. There was
a staff member there that said, "They're still here." He was holding a bill, and he
goes, "They gave me this. lt‘s a fake $20." He pointed across the street, and
they're like, "He's in the car over there. Go get him before he drives off." He
started walking out, and Iwas like, "Just head back in. We'll take care of it."
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Me and Kueng walked across the street. There was a vehicle could see was
occupied by three times. It was a blue Mercedes. Mr. Floyd was in the driver's
seat. There was a male in the front passenger seat, and then coutd see, didn't
know who it was, but it turned out it was a female in the back passenger seat.
 

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As was walking across the street to get to the vehicle, could see the front seat
passenger look back and see us, and I believe the driver as well looked back.
And then they both started digging underneath the seat, looked like they were
reaching for something. I said that to Kueng. said, "They're moving around
quite a bit," as was coming across the street.
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walked up to the driver's side of the vehicle. I knocked on the glass, and the
driver was sitting with his hands down below the seat, kind of leaning forward
like this. And said, "Let me see your other hand." directed him, "Let me see
your other hand." He didn't do that, and he was just, "Oh, it's not a big deal," or
whatever, and he kept his hand down there. He glanced back, so l took my gun
out, and l said, "Let me see your other fucking hand. Put your hand up," gave
him commands to do that. I'm not sure how many. think gave a few.
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And don’t know why, but he quickly went like this, pulled his hand out real fast,
and i kind of took a step back and was like, "Jesus, what are you doing?” And l
directed him to put his hands on the wheel. He did. Ithink he had opened the
door initially. didn't open it, but he had opened it, and kind of started to step
out, and was like, "No." Like, "What are you doing?"
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So once he had his hands up there, l put my gun away, and l was telling him "Put
your hands on top of your head.“ We‘ve been trained in the academy that when
you get someone out of the vehicle, you have them put their hands on their
head. You grab the top of their hands, and you have them step out and face

away from you, and then you can handcuff them from there. He wasn't really
complying with that, or wasjust saying, "l got shot like this," or something.

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So I then went to grab his hands and then helped pull him out of the vehicle,
because l could see that as he was sitting like this with his hands up, he kind of
was looking down at the steering wheel, or looking down at the keys, and l was
concerned that he was going to try and take off, drive away in the vehicle. So
kind of pulled him out. While he was doing that, he started trying to turn
around, so pushed him forward into the door frame, which was another thing
we were taught to do if someone's not complying.
 

 

Kueng came around, and he was trying again to kind of turn around on me, and l
wasjust trying to keep him pinned to the door, because l didn't know. Typically,
if someone‘s trying to turn around and face you. they want to either run, or
punch you, or do something. So Kueng came around, and we ended up getting
him handcuffed at that point. And then while we were kind of struggling with
him to get him handcuffed, the other two passengers stepped out of the car, so
Icouid see that that was happening. So walked around after he was
handcuffed. walked around to the other side, and told them, "Step up against
the wall. Drop the bag. We need to figure out what’s going on here.”
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Office Kueng brought Floyd around, and had him sit on the sidewalk. I'd IDed
those two. The female said something about he'd been shot like that before,
that's why he Was freaking out, because l pulled the gun on him. And l said,
"Well, if hehas his hand down there, if i‘m teliing you to see your hand, iet me
see your hands. You don't keep your hand hidden for any reason."
So, basically, IDed those two. Since we'd had three people and only us two
officers, [was like, “We should put him in the car." We're going to get him
secured. l wanted to come back and sea rch the car, and try and figure out what
was going on, and why he was digging around. 0r if there was something he was
trying to hide under theseat. And then get the other two people iDed. They
seemed compliant, so told them, "Stay there."
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So we walked Floyd across the street, and he was kind of trying to drag his feet.
"l don't want to go in there. I'm not going in there. It’s not me." We got to the
car. He was kind of pushing back when we were trying to search him, just
because you have to search people before you put them in the back of your
squad car. l believe when we were searching him, a park officer arrived, and
directed him. could see people kind of start walking, the two people that we
hadn‘t identified yet, they were by the car, walking back towards the car. said,
"Watch the car. Don't let them go anywhere. Don't let them go back in the car,
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because I don't know what's in there."

believe it was at this time that Kueng found a pipe in Floyd's pocket, and he
handed it to me, and lset it up on top of the vehicle. Floyd started to We
tried to get him to sit down in the car, and he said he was claustrophobic. "Don't
put me in there. Don't put me in there." We're like, "Dude, you need to get in
the car. You've got to get secured in here, and we need to figure out what's
going on." So he kept saying, no, he didn't want to get In there. He was refusing.
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He kept pushing back up, trying to get out. We were trying to push him in.
believe that's when the other squad, I'm not even sure what their call sign was
 

that day, with the other two officers arrived.
So, yeah, he said, "Someone's got to stay with me." He's like, "i'm
claustrophobic." We're like, "I'll roli the windows down. I'm going to stay in the
car with you. That's fine. I‘il put the air on." So then he still was refusing to get in
the car, so l walked around to the other side, and was going to puli, since his
back was facing into the car. If this was the door, i was going to go around and
try and pull his arm through the other side of the squad just to get him in there,
so we could close the doors and secure him.

[walked around to the other side. went to pull him through. He started really
thrashing back and forth, and think he was hitting his face on the glass that
goes to the front seat. That was the first time i saw that he was bleeding from
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Saw that he was bleeding from the mouth. So went to pull him through.
pulled him in to the car and Ithink he either put his feet on the frame ofthe
door or something and pushed. was trying to pull him through. And then he
started pushing with me and he kind of came out the other side of the door and
was kind of ghting back, fighting with us. trying to not go back into the squad.
We kept trying to get them in there.
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And from there think we tried to push him back in again and he still was not
compliant with that. We ended up going down to the ground. {think someone
said, "let's bring him to the ground because we can't control him." We went
down to the ground. Kueng was next to me. Officer Shaaban was at the front
end and when he was on his stomach and we were basicaily just trying to
restrain him, l think said, "let‘s use the MRT." Might've said it wrong. But that
maximum restraint technique, which is what you use on someone who's
handcuffed and not complying. That's physicaliy resisting you while handcuffed.
It's just basically like a hobble. You put a hobble on their legs and prevents them
from kicking and doing that. So was trying to get his legs into a ieg cross where
you cross the legs and push him up onto the buttjust to keep him from kicking.
Cause he was kicking around at that point.
 

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And then l think had said to Thao or maybe Kueng had said something about
getting the hobbie. And l said, "mine's in my bag. It's labeled." So he flipped the
thing up and then gave me a hobble. From there was going to try and put it on,
lthink we had started EMS too at that point. I'd said, "let's start an ambulance,
for the mouth situation." And so that was code two it hadn't stepped it up yet.
didn‘t get the hobble on him. So we just kind of pinned him. think someone
had said, "Iet’sjust hold them here. We got an ambulance coming." And then he
was still kind of fighting and moving around. So we just kind of held them there.
 

 

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And than, I‘m not sure if it was me, but someone said, "let‘s step the ambulance
up to code three." lthinkl had said I felt like he was on drugs or something. Just
based on his behavior.

Speaker 2:

What did you say about rolling him over?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, said based on the drug thing once he stopped actively kicking us, [was
like, "maybe we shouEd roll him onto his sider” said, "i think this might be an
excited delirium situation," which is samething we had been told about in the
Academy. Which is where, when someone is on drugs, they kind of work
themselves up and they can end up having issues from that. So from there we
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had the ambulance stepped up.
 

 

Once he kind of stopped ghting us, l thinkl had said again, "I think we should
roll him onto his side." And believe Sean said, "we have him, there‘s an
ambulance coming and we got him." We're just going to hold here. And that
made sense to mejust because I've had experiences with people who were
ODirIg or they‘ll be out one minute and they'll come back and really be
aggressive with you. So was like, "all right, we got an ambulance coming code
three. We're just going to hold here until the ambulance gets here."
 

 

And that seemed to make sense at the time. After he stopped kind of talking
and yelling or whatever l remember being able to look thr0ugh and could see
his back, right lat. He was breathing. I was watching that and making sure thatl
could keep an eye on that, that he was still breathing. So I‘m like, "okay, he‘s
just passed out. He's worked himself up and now he's just kind of passed out."
So Icouid see that. think at one point, based just that he was stopped moving,
had said something to Kueng like, "maybe check his pulse, if you can find a pulse
on him.“ Just because he stopped moving for a while. And then the ambulance
came, they pulled up. think they came up and checked his pulse and they
pulled the cart out, dropped the bag thing.
 

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I helped put him onto there. And then that got loaded up onto the stretcher and
then loaded into the ambulance. asked them, "do you want me to roll with
you?" Just because he‘s detained and just in case he needed help with anything
he said, "yeah." So went there. We basically were just going to puil down the
block because there was kind of a crowd of people that were angry. So the
ambulancejust wanted to roll down around the block, around the Cornerjust
out of the way. And I think at some point in the ambuiance itried again to find a
pulse on him. l couldn't, at that point. lthought he might be stiil breathing.
know was working on keeping his airway open. [asked EMS, "what do you
need me doing?"
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And they said, “start CPR." So started chest compressions and obviously the
CPR, you do chest compressions and then breathing. And was like, "do you
want me to do 15 and hold the airway or try and do that?" And he said, "no just
keep doing chest compressions." So I continued doing chest compressions until
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we parked. And then the driver who was the other EMS. EMT or whatever, he
came around and started to get the LUCAS machine ready, which is the CPR
machine. And from there helped them get the LUCAS machine ready or get
that applied. They were having some trouble getting it underneath. lt kept
trying to clip into his skin. So lwas trying to make sure that it just locked in like
it's supposed to. That locked in. That sta rted. Then they, i'rn not sure what it’s
called, intubate, think.
 

 

And they started oxygen. And i was asking again. "what can i do to help." Gave
me the airbag and said, ."every time the light lights up, just pump that, get that
going." And as we were parked there, fire arrived. They came in and Ijust kind
of felt like the extra nonmedical guy there. Se was like, "do you guys need me
in here?" And they‘re like, "we're good. We’ve got two fire in two EMS." So then
ljumped out was trying to see if could get a ride back from my partner. But
then one of the re people on scene offered to give me a ride back to the scene
where my squad was, my partner was.
 

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Speaker 3:

So you went back to the scene?

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 3:

What happened from there?

Speaker 1:

From there? We basically talked to, the Sergeant was on scene. He said he was
going to go down to the hospital. Chauvin directed us that we should wait for
the car. l'm not sure where Chauvin and Thao went. Ithink they were going to
go down to the hospital as well at that point. But they were saying, ”you guys
pull your squad over here, park behind the vehicle, wait on the vehicle."
Because we still hadn't searched the vehicle. And we were unsure. I don't know
what happened to those other two people that were in the car. I'm not sure

where they went.
Speaker 3:

How long were you then at the scene?

Speaker 1:

It was a while. We were just basically waiting in the car. Waiting in the car, on
the car.

Speaker 3:

All right. At some point where you brought down to room 100?

Speaker 1:

Yeah. We were waiting on the car.

Speaker 2:

What happened to the pipe?

Speaker 1:

The pipe that had been given and l put up on top of the squad was sitting on
the squad and had forgotten about it. So I drove the car from just basically
across the street. And then don‘t think I even realized it was there until
Sergeant Edwards came. When Sergeant Edwards came, could see it on top of
 

 

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the car. And i was like, "Oh crap." That‘s been sitting up there this whole time
and l didn't even realize it.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

So then got an envelope and put that in there. Then l helped cord off the
 

scene. And talked to a couple other people that they said, "if there's any
witnesses or anyone wants to be added, do that." And didn't get any ones info.
And then once we got down to 100, then they said, "shut your body cam off,
we're going to do interviews." So l did that.
 

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Okay.

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 3:

You said

Is

it okay if I just clarify something?

a lot

and l appreciate it. I just want to make sure that it's clear.
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Speaker 1:

Sure.

Speaker 3:

Okay. First of all, the location of the initial call.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Do you remember the riame of that?

Speaker 1:

Cup Foods.

Speaker 3:

Have you been there before on calls?

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

It's hard to say.

Speaker 3:

Understood.

Speaker 2:

Cup Foods?

Speaker 3:

Cup.

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 3:

So you're squad?

Speaker 1:

320.

don't believe so. Not that store specically.

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The intersection looked familiar.

mean, we go to a lot of calls.

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Speaker 3:

320. So what does that mean? What area of the third precinct are you kind of
responsible for?

Speaker 1:

Lake street down to 42nd.

Speaker 3:

Lake street south to 42nd?

Speaker 1:

Yeah. And then Hiawatha west to the freeway.

Speaker 3:

Hiawatha west to the freeway. Okay. East or west? No, it'd be west. Yeah. Okay.
lgot you.

Speaker 1:

Everything east of Hiawatha is 340.

Speaker 3:

And so who was vaur partner that night?

Speaker 1:

Kueng.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Ofcer

Speaker 3:

Officer Kueng. Okay. And he, same amount of time on as you?

Speaker 1:

 

Speaker 3:

Okay, so roughly about the same?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Is

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Have you seen it before?

Speaker

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Kueng.

think he finished on Friday, so he had two days on or i had one more day more.

it common to partner ofcers

right out of training together?

don‘t know.

I've heard of it. Yeah. l think that might be something they do. And think they
said they want to put newer officers togetherjust because.
 

Speaker 3:

Sure. Okay. And the commanders make those decisions, you don't?

Spea ker 1:

We don't. We just get assigned. When we walk

in and

they say, "this is who you

ride with today and this is where you're going."

Speaker 3:

Okay. So how many times have you ridden with Kueng?

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Speaker 1:

That was the only time.

Speaker 3:

That was the first time, right? Okay. Did you know him though?

Speaker 1:

 

Speaker 3:

Okay. So this particular call, how did it come in?

Speaker 1:

Came in as a forgery in progress.

Speaker 3:

Forgery in progress. Okay. Have you handled forgery or counte rfeit money calls
before?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

In

Speaker 1:

Not in training. Well, yeah, [inaudible] .

Speaker 3:

Okay. How, typically do you handle those types of calls? Just generally.

Speaker 1:

Go there. Get a description of the person that handed off, as much information
as you can for them. The nature of the interaction. How it went down, value,
and stuff.

Speaker 3:

your short time with the police department on FTO. Going to calls, like similar
to this, has it been common that you've encountered the actual suspect-

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 3:

At these forgeries? How has it typically gone in your experience?

Speaker 1:

Someone gave me this fake money, i realized it and then they left or they got
into an argument with someone and then the person left.

Speaker 3:

So is itjust kind of a report call for the most part?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You'll take a report, collect the evidence and move on with life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So this one was different?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

mean, I knew him from the Academy.

training?

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That he was there? Okay. As you guys are going to this call... First of all, were
you directly dispatched to this call?
believe so, Yeah.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Okay. So you're—

Speaker 1:

Iwant to say it was a dispatch. mean, you do so much of dispatch and then self
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assign.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

And we might've self assigned to It.

Speaker 3:

Would this particular address be in your patrol district the 320 area?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Okay. So it's your responsibility to take care of this call in this particular area?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, this was our call.

Speaker 3:

You didn't like jump it from another?

Speaker 1:

No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3:

Understood.

Speaker 1:

[t was in our district.

Speaker 3:

All right. When the call came out do you remember where you were?

Speaker 1:

North.

Speaker 3:

Approximate intersection?

Speaker 1:

Five, six, seven blocks north.

Speaker 3:

Not too far?

Speaker 1:

Not too far.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Routine response?

Speaker 1:

We just rolled there.

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Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Did you and Ofcer Kueng discuss kind of how you're going to handle this call as
you‘re driving there? And if so, what was kind of the plan?

Speaker 1:

lthink just the basic, we'll go there and see what the deal

is and if the guy's still

on scene, take them into custody and figure out what we got. Kind of the
standard, there's a crime committed. Who did it? Detain them.

Speaker 3:

How do you determine who's going to be the contact and who isn't? Which
officer's going to contact them?

Speaker 1:

That was something we were talking about earlier. Just that whole process
because we're not really used to that. Working the contact cover. Typically the
guy who‘s the driver is the cover and the guy who's the passenger is the contact,
meaning they do all the interaction. They work the radio, they worked the
computer, they write the reports.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

But like l said, we've never rode together. That was only the second time
working actually a squad with another ofcer.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Out of FTO.

Speaker 3:

Understood. Who was driving?

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Okay. So in that scenario, Ofcer Kueng, possibly by default, he‘s sitting in the
passenger seat. be the contact ofcer?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

ls it kind of fluid? l mean, is it a hard and fast rule?

Speaker 1:

No. mean, it's-

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. You can bounce back and forth and It's kind of, like said, we were talking
about even how to do it, because we haven't really had any practice with it. l
think on one of the other calls he was talking to someone and then asked him

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questions and then we're like, "0h, that's right we've got to try and remern ber
to be contact, cover," like to remember our roles.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Just learning it still.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Yeah. We were trying to gure

Speaker 3:

So when you pull up to Cup Foods, where do you park?

Speaker 1:

Right in front? We parked, pulled up basically—

Spea ker 3:

On what street?

Speaker 1:

Chicago facing South In the northbound lane.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Okay. Gotcha. You walk into the store, tell us what you're told at that
point.

Speaker 1:

The guy came walking over. He had a bill in his hand. He said, "he gave me a
fake bill. That's the guy over there. Go get him before he drives away."

Speaker 3:

Okay. Real quick statement from him.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Did you look at the bill?

Speaker 1:

ldidn't, no.

Speaker 3:

Did you ever collect it later or anything like that?

Speaker 1:

Ithink it was. I‘m not sure.

Speaker 3:

But, you didn't do that and you haven't seen it?

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 3:

Okay. So him telling you it was counterfeit was essentially...?

Speaker 1:

think that calling in and then the fact that there was someone still on scene.
We were more concerned with at least attaining that person on the suspicion of
passing a counterfeit bill and then figuring out the validity of the bill.

Speaker 3:

What level of crime is passing a counterfeit bill?

Speaker 1:

out the best way to do that.

 

 

want to say that's a gross misdemeanor, or misdemeanor.

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Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

It is a felony.

Speaker 3:

All right.

Speaker 1:

Sorry.

Speaker 3:

Was there any indication about any sort of weapon or force or anything in the
call? What did you know?

Speaker 1:

Nothing at all.

Speaker 2:

The secret service take counterfeit bills very serious.

Speaker 3:

When the call comes out. Are you told anything other than just-

Speaker 1:

There wasn't any indication, l don't think, of weapons as far as could
remember. Or any force used.

Speaker 3:

In

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I mean, it came out as a forgery in progress as in the person is still there.

Speaker 3:

So you were not surprised when the gentleman working there pointed out and
said there was-

Speaker 1:

No. guess I was expecting them to be in the store.

Speaker 3:

Do you have any recollection approximately what time it was when yen got to
the store the rst time?

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 3:

Some people remember those things.

Speaker l:

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it a felony?

 

the call was there any information that the suspect was stili on scene?

 

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am not one of those.

Speaker 3:

No? Okay. Was it light or dark outside?

Speaker 1:

It was iight still.

Speaker 3:

You can see okay?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

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Speaker 3:

Okay. So you approach the vehicle and Ofcer
side, is that right?

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Well think. Yeah. We just kind of crossed the street and got in front of Kueng
and iwas watching the car. And like said, I could see some of them moving
around or they kind of saw us. And that‘s when said to him, “something's going

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on and they‘re moving around and they can see us."

Speaker 3:

As you approach the car and you see Mr. Floyd there reaching. What did that
mean to you when you saw him reaching? What was the concern there?

Speaker 1:

The concern was either that he was trying to stash something or he possibly had
a gun. In my limited experience I‘ve been told that a lot of times people hide
guns under their seats or that's where you're going to hide stuff that you don't
want on you. You're going to put it underneath the seat, in between the seat,
under a floor panel or something.

Speaker 3:

Have you experienced that though on the street during FTO? Recovering guns or
drugs from underneath?

Speaker 1:

Looking for them. Yeah. I mean, [found a BB gun under the wheel well of a
vehicle. But no, we're trained at that's typically where people hide stuff in nooks
and crannies, under the-

Speaker 3:

When that was happening and you're walking up and you're seeing this, what
are you feeling at that point?

Speaker 1:

lam wondering what he's doing and want to know where his other hand

is

going. And what's in his hand, guess basically. He sees me coming, sees the
police coming and then starts reaching. It's, iike said, it's either he's going to
get something or he's going to put something away.
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Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

So, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 3:

So how come you drew your gun then?

Speaker 1:

Because asked him to see his other hand and he kept his hand like this. He had
his one hand up and then he kept his hand down here and I said, "let me see
your other hand, let me see your hand." And he didn't. don't know if he's got a
gun right there and he's just waiting to go like this, or what he's doing.
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What other observations of the inside of the car did you make at that kind of
brief moment there? If you reca. You just see there were other people in the
car, what that it?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, think realized there was someone in the back seat as well. And didn't
really like that just because I don't know who they are and what they're doing.

Speaker 3:

Could you see clearly into the backseat of the car?

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

It was a tinted window. Like I said, twas unsure if it was a male or female, butl
feund out afterwards it was a female.

Speaker 3:

What was the driver, Mr. Floyd saying in response to your commands?

Speaker 1:

it was just like, "Oh, I'm not, whatever." He was basically not compliant is what
remember._  don't remember specifically what he was saving.

Speaker 3:

What did you want him to do with his hands?

Speaker 1:

Put his hands up where could see them, or at the very least put them on the
wheel. And ithink said, “put your hands on the wheel."

 

 

 

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Okay. Did he eventually do that?

Speaker 1:

He did.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

All right. So did he try to get out of the car? think you described that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. He Initially was starting to step out of the car.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Why don't you want him to get out of the car?

Speaker 1:

Well, usually, if someone's going to get out, they're going to try and run or come
at me. don't know. At the very least, he‘s sitting there, keep your hands where
I can see them and then, me take control of the situation. Take him out rather
than have him step out and face me.

 

 

Speaker 3:

Okay. So did he then continue to sit in the car when you told him not to get out
or did he get out?

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Speaker 1:

No. He like, kind of stepped a foot out. Then I said, "get back, put your foot back
in the car, keep your hands where l can see him."

Speaker 3:

Did he obey those commands?

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

Okay. What's the conversation then at that point?

Speaker 1:

At that point, was basically saying, "I'm going to get you out of the car, put
your hands on top of your head." lthink he was saying, "I got shot like this
before" or something and "I'm not the guy."

Speaker 3:

Now you want him to get out of the car?

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Now that he's complying, want to step him out of the vehicie, detain him
and then go from there and figure Out what he was sticking under the seat or
what he had under the seat.

Speaker 3:

Okay. What about the reason why you're there though? The counterfeit call?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Were you going to ask him any questions about trying to gure
on with that?

Speaker 1:

lguess at that point, based on his behavior and that he wasn't complying with
what I had initially asked and was asking him to do. remember he was looking
to the right kind of at the keys and didn't know if he was going to try and start
the car and take off.

 

 

out what's going

 

 

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

So guess my concern was like, all right, we‘re going to get him out of the car.
DriVer will be secured. don‘t have to worry abOut him taking off.
 

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Speaker 3:

Okay. And so that handcufng process. He's initially kind of compiying, but then
when you ask him to get out and put the handcuffs on there's a bit of a
struggle?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

What is he saying to you when you're trying to handcuff him and what is he
doing to prevent you from handcuffing him?

Speaker 1:

He had his hands initially on his head. And then l asked him, what we were
trained is you grab on to the hands. And you step out of the car and face away

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from me. So they face the doorframe. He wasn't really doing that. He wasn't
getting out of the car. So Ithink grabbed his arm and went to pull him out. And
then from there he was kind of trying to turn around, to face me. And again,
why are you turning around to face me?
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Speaker 3:

What did you think he was going to do?

Speaker 1:

I'm not sure if he was going to try and assault me or get away. l initially pulled
up at the scene and then he tries to get out of the car right away. So l'm thinking

he might be trying to get away.

Speaker 3:
Speaker

1:

ls it possible he just wanted to talk to you face to face?

At that point don't think conversation was... I'm not sure.
 

Speaker 3:

Did you tell him he was under arrest at that point?

Speaker 1:

ldon‘t think l did, no.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Was your plan to 'arrest him at that point?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

0r detain?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, detain.

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Interviewer:

To arrest him at that point or-

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

or detain or what?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, detain him.

interviewer:

Did you know? mean, did you know that he was the one, mean, there's three
people in the car, that he was the one that passed the bill.
I

Speaker 4:

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interviewer:

Okay, all right.

Speaker 4:

They had indicated the driver.

Interviewer:

So you wanted to talk to him about what happened?

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believe they said It was the driver.

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Yes .

interviewer:

All right. 50' he is eventually handcuffed, brought over to the sidewalk and sits
down. Who stays with him?

Speaker 4:

Kueng.

Ente rv‘tewer:

Kueng. Do you know how the gentlemen was identified? Were you present for

that?
Speaker 4:

No. Iwas talking to the other two people. As we had got them out of the car and
handcuffed him, those two exited the vehicle and l didn‘t want them going
anywhere and didn't them want to go back to the car. So l said, ”Stand up
 

against the wall. Drop the bag." And l ID those two.

Interviewer:

Do you remember a name of either of those two?

Speaker 4:

[Shewanda] Hill?

Interviewer:

That was the woman?

Spea ker 4:

Yeah.

interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

I

Interviewer:

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4:

So, and then just based on the fact that we had two people there and Floyd
handcuffed, i wanted to get him secured so he coald look in the vehicle.

 

nterviewer:

don't remember the guy. i-ie gave me his ID, ended up actually taking it with
me accidentally.

With officer Kueng, Floyd sitting on the pavement. How is he behaving at that
point?

Speaker4:

mean, he was sitting on his side and think he was talking with Kueng. Kueng
was trying to ID him. He said, "I'm not that type of guy,“ or something like that
to that effect.

Interviewer:

Was he trying to get up and leave

Speaker 4:

I

Interviewer:
Speaker 4:

 

 

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don't believe so, no.
he was complying with the sit command.

Yeah.

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Interviewer:

Okay. So, I mean, guess I'm just trying to understand, if he's compliant at the
corner there and you've got two people that you're identifying and also Kueng
has clearly got a guy handcuffs sitting, what was the purpose for them needing
to put him in the squad car? Couldn‘t your kind of initial investigation be done
right there?

Speaker 4:

It could, but he was just, kind

Interviewer:

How so?

Spea ker 4:

Just the wav he was yelling and he was worked up. I guess we would have to
have someone sit with him because I don't know if he was going to try and get
up and move around again. So my thinking is that I've got two people here, I‘ve
got a carl need to search. Let‘s get him secured, at least in our car. And then we
can get a hard ID on him with the computer and that kind of stuff and then we
can go from there moving forward.

Interviewer:

Just trying to understand the thought process, you know what I'm saving?

Speaker 4:

That was the basic. This guy, he seemed like he appeared that he was on drugs,
something just based on his agitation level. And he was saving like, "Ah, his arms
hurt," or something-

Interviewer:

Did you ask him if he was on?

Speaker 4:

Iasked him, yeah.

Interviewer:

What did he say?

Speaker 4:

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Interviewer:

What about the other two peopie? Did they make any comments or statements
to you about drug use or anything like that?

Speaker 4:

Idon‘t think so.

Interviewer:

No? Did you ever ask... did you ask either of them?

Speaker 4:

lthink might‘ve asked him,

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and then the one female said, "He's crazy or he got shot like that before,
too. That's why he's freaking out," or something because he... That's what she
said, guess there was something with a guy with a gun at the car she said.

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of acting erraticallv.

don't think he said anything.

 

is he on something?

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Interviewer:

Would you agree with her assessment that George was freaking out?

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Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Inte rviewer:

So how were you trained to handle a person whose maybe agitated, under the
influence in some sort of crisis like that? How have you been trained to kind of
deal with that?

Speaker 4:

Talk to them, guess more.

Interviewer:

Did that happen in your opinion?

Speaker 4:

would say, I mean, we were trying to explain to him what was going on, that
this is where we're at and this is what happened, you're being detained for this
for right now.

lnte rviewer:

Was he hearing any ofthat, that you were saying to him?

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Spea ker 4:

Interviewer:

I

mean, he was pretty erratic at that point.

What was his main, l mean, when you walk into the squad car and you're trying
to get him to sit dawn. mean, is he indicating to you what his main concern is
at that point?
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Speaker 4:

He said, "I'rn not the guy." think that‘s what he kept saying, "I'm not the guy.
I'm not that kind of guy."

lnte Niewer:

Was he asking to just talk to you guys right then and there?

Speaker 4:

 

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think he was, "Let me explain," he might have said that.

Interviewer:

Okay. Was he given an opportunityjust to kind ofturn around, keep him
handcuffed and just let him explain what he wants to explain?

Speaker 4:

think again the situation that kind of explained earlier, the fact that there
might've been a weapon in the car. think my priority was just securing him.
That's kind of where my [crosstalk].
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Interviewer:

All right. Did you find a weapon then?

Speaker4:

Not when we were searching him.

Interviewer:

Okay. And there was a park police ofcer
watching the other two in the car?

Speaker 4:

He arrived as we were-

Interviewer:

You asked him to do that extra stuff?

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Spea ker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. Do you know if he did that?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, l think he walked over there and then just kind of-

Interviewer:

So the car is empty and there‘s two people across the street. And you and your
partner have a handcuffed man at your squad car. Is the concern still about a

weapon possibly?

Speaker4:

No.

2nd intewicewe...:

What weapon, on his person or in the vehicle?

Speaker 4:

Both. Well the weapon in the vehicle
for a weapon there.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

Well, we had searched... we were searching him, we didn't find a wea po n, but
there still could be a weapon in the car.

Interviewer:

Could be, all right. Did you search the car at all?

Speaker 4:

We didn't.

Interviewer:

Okay. How would you normally treat something like that? mean-

2nd intervicewe...:

Why didn't you search the car?

Speaker 4:

We were struggling with restraining Mr. Floyd.

interviewer:

initially, but then he's on the curbs sitting against the wall, right?

Speaker 4:

Next to the vehicle?

interviewer:

After you've taken out of his vehicle, get him handcuffed, he's now sitting with
Officer Kueng.

Speaker 4:

Because, yeah, didn‘t want to search a vehicle with two other people that
don't know, and then have my partner watch their handcuffed.

Interviewer:

Understood, okay.

Speaker 4:

That's putting me at risk and Kueng at risk.

Inte rviewe r:

Did you ask for backup at all?

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lthinki

Interviewer:

And then that’s why the park [crosstalk]?

Speaker 4:

Park responded.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Is

Speaker 4:

Yep.

Interviewe r:

Okay. What kind of pipe did you find?

Speaker4:

A glass little pipe, like about that big, maybe as big as my ring nger.

Interviewer:

What did that indicate to you when you saw it?

Speaker 4:

There wasn't anything in it in the end. It had a cone shape on the end.

Interviewer:

What would that pipe be used for in your experience?

Speaker 4:

Could have been marijuana. It could have been other drugs other than that.

Interviewer:

Okay. And officer Kueng' is the one that found that?

Speaker 4:

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interviewer:

Do you remember where he found that item?

Speaker 4:

had said, when we were getting Mr. Flovd out of the car, said, "We're
puiling one out,“ which kind of is a signal we could use another car here.
I

that typical for park police to come help you guys if vou need it?

believe so, yeah.

ljust remember him handing it to me and then l set it up on top of the squad
car.

Interviewer:

So as you're at the squad car, what side of Mr. Floyd are you on?

Speaker 4:

Left side.

Interviewer:

Left side, and also Kueng I assume is on the other, okay. So it would have been
somewhere on his right side that that pipe came from.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Are you also searching on the left side?

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Speaker4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

So you‘re both searching at the same time?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. So the whole issue of getting him into the squad card, think the word
you used was need, "We needed to get him into the squad car. Just explain to us
kind of your thOught process about why you felt it was necessary to put him in
the squad car at that point.

Speake r 4:

Again, just to have him secured so i could go back and get an ID on those
people: get a hard ID on him. Having your squad there is one of the easiest ways
to identify people because you have your computer, you can took people's
pictures up, you can look up TBS. She didn't give me an iD, she just gave me a
name, we were going to go back the squad anyways.

In terviewer:

Okay, so that would be the most convenient way and efficient way to identify
him.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. But obviously he didn't want to get in that car.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

lntENiEWEF:

mean, did you ever think about maybe a different way to handle this other
than just putting him in the car? Did Officer Kueng discuss that at the Scene
about, hey, maybe we should just sit him on the curb again?

Speaker 4:

No.

Interviewer:

Okay. So two other ofcers
who are they?

Speaker 4:

Chauvin and Thao.

lnte Niewe r:

Thao, okay. And you mentioned earlier that you worked with Ofcer Chauvin
before. What about Officer Thao, have you had any experience with him?

Speaker 4:

Not a whole lot. He worked in the precinct too, but didn't realty see him an
that many cails.

Interviewer:

Well, just in the limited experience you had, are Chauvin and Thao typicaiiy
partners that you know of?

Speaker 4:

NO.

 

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You don't know orjust...

Speaker 4:

Idon't think I've seen them roll together typically. I guess don't even know
what Chauvin‘s typical district is just because he was always training, so he was
always moving around.

Interviewer:

So as you‘re trying to get Mr. Floyd in the car, you‘ve mentioned that you're
pulling from the other side. Is somebody with you at that time helping you do

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that?
Spea ker 4:

think that's when officer Chauvin came around because they arrived and he
was refusing to get in that side. So lwent around and was going to grab his arm
to help pull him, just puil him through the squad to get him to get him so we
could secure him.

Interviewer:

Just describe Mr. Floyd 'to me. What was he wearing, for example?

Speaker 4:

had sweat pants on with the gym shorts underneath and then l believe it was
a black 0r gray tank top. He had kind of white spots on each side his mouth. He
was yelling, kind ofjust agitated. He said his arms and everything, he was very
sensitive to stuff which is cornmon with people, at least in the limited
experience l have with drug use and people that are coming off drugs or
frequent drug users are very hypersensitive to stuff.

Interviewer:

Okay, ail right. How about physically, what did he look like?

Speaker 4:

He's almost as tall as me muscular.

Interviewer:

How tall are you?

Spea ke r 4:

I'm 6" 7".

Interviewer:

6' 7", about the same height as you?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay, okay. So as you and Ofcer Chauvin are trying to pull him into the squad
car, what is Floyd yelling, l suppose atthat point, or saying?

Speaker 4:

He had mentioned, he had said that he was claustrophobic and had said, "I'll
stay with you.“ l went around the other side of the car. said, "l'il stay with you.
 '   put the windows down, I'll put the air on." lthink he kind of agreed to that,

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but then went back again, Well, no, don't want to get in," and was just kind all
over the place.
 

Interviewer:

Yeah.

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So back on the other side, he wasjust saying no, and then kind of started, once
hoid them over the iip of the door, he kind of started to thrash around.

Interviewer:

So he was in the backseat, but not in enough that you could-

Speakerd:

Close the door.

Interviewer:

close the door, okay. So then the decision was made to just pull them all the
wav through, is that?

Speaker 4:

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interviewer:

On the driver's side?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and refusing to go in. And then we nt around the other side and was just
going to pull him in.

Interviewer:

Okay. So how did he end up on the ground on the passenger side?

Speaker 4:

0n the other side, once pulled him

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was going to go around? No, he was basically sitting. He wasn't even in the
squad. He was sitting on the edge on the other side.

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got into the seat. he kind of
started thrashing around and think he banged his head multiple times on the,
like i said, the glass. And then he kind of pushed, he used his feet i believe to
push because ljust remember he came out.
 

in and he

 

Interviewer:

So he pushed himself out of the car?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Versus vou guys pulling him out of the car?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, because the goal is to keep him in the car, we didn't want him coming out
again. We were going to pull him through and then just secure him.

Interviewer:

Okay. So then who made the decision to put them on the ground like that, just
leave him there?

Speaker 4:

Someone had said something, "Let's just bring him to the ground," because he
was continuing to fight.

Interviewer:

Okav. When he goes on the ground, does anything change? Does his compliance
level change at any point?

Speaker 4:

No, he started... Well, what do vou mean bv that?

inte rviewe r:

He obviouslv didn't wa nt to get in the car, and he's ghting
Once he's on the ground, is he continuing to fight?

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Speaker 4:

Yeah, he was still kicking and kicking at me. And then think had said, "Let‘s get
the bobble to secure his legs," because I was holding his legs.

Interviewer:

Who got the hobble?

Speaker 4:

lthink it was Thao or, what was his name again, Than?

lnte rviewer:

Officer Thao.

Speaker 4:

Than, yes.

Inte rviewer:

Okay. So you‘re holding his?

Speaker 4:

Legs.

Interviewer:

Hold his legs?

Speaker 4:

Yes.

Interviewer:

And who was next to you?

Speaker 4:

Officer Kueng.

lntenrEewer:

And what was he doing?

Speaker4:

He was, guess holding his arms. don't know, or his hand or maybe In a cradle.

Interviewer:

Because he’s handcuffed.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. And then whose next?

Speaker 4:

Officer Chauvin.

Interviewer:

All right. And what are you seeing officer Chauvin doing from where you are at?

Spea ker 4:

He wasjust pinning him down.

interviewer:

Pinning how?

Speaker4:

He had his knee up around, yeah, the shoulders and neck area.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

No.

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Interviewer:

Have you been trained in that at all.

Speaker 4:

No.

Interviewer:

To put your knee on somebody's back or neck area-

Speaker 4:

On the back, yeah.

Interviewer:

0n the hack, yeah? T

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Teii us about that?

Speaker 4:

Just when you're handcuffing and restraining someone that you can run you...
mean, you want me to sit and show you, but you can run your knee up across
their back, their shoulder blade in between the shoulder blades or, yeah, across
this way around the arms and shoulders.

Interviewer:

Okay. So is handcuffing as a technique, something that you learned at the
Academy?

Speaker 4:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

Okay. And are there different ways you can handcuff somebody?

Speaker 4:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

What [inaudible]-

Spea ker 4:

Standing, kneeling, prone.

IntENIEWEr:

Okay. So you obviously handcuff this guy, Mr. Floyd, while he was standing?

Speaker 4:

Mm~hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

He’s prone at this point. So would that knee technique, would that realty apply
at this point since he's already handcuffed?

Speaker 4:

guess the plan for there was basically just to restrain him so he couldn't move
and hurt himself anymore. Because, like said, he started banging his head on
the glass when he got in the car.

 

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Interviewer:

Bleeding, you said.

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Speaker 4:

And he just started bleeding, so he was kind of... We were like, "l don‘t know if
he's going to..." $0 the plan was just to get him so he couidn't move anymore or
hurt himself or hurt us.

Interviewer:

So who made the decision to start EMS?

Spea ker 4:

Ithink had said that initially. I said he was bieeding from the mouth, we should
start an ambuiance.

Interviewer:

Okay, for the bleeding from the mouth?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Inte wiewe r:

Okay. And as you're waiting for paramedics to come, l mean, is that the whole
goal with him on the ground is to wait for the paramedics?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, we'll just wait and they'll probably would do a hold on him or something
since he'sjust kind of out of control.

Interviewer:

So was there more to calling the paramedics than just checking his mouth?

Speaker 4:

Initially, think that's what l said we should do it for. But then but then someone
else, I‘m not sure, don't remember, said, "Let'sjust step it up to code three."
think after.

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Interviewer:

But what can the paramedics do to help you guys with a kind of an uncontrolled
noncompliant person? What are they going to be able to do, getting their code
three, he has a mouth injury, but he's also noncompliant?

Speaker 4:

Well, I think that had mentioned that this could be possibly excited delirium or
 

something.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

That was the other thing for stepping it up, because he might be in medical
distress.

Interviewer:

And you articulated that?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

lnterviewe r:

Okay. And how was that suggestion received by your partners?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, they said just this is fine, we're going tar

Inte rviewer:

Who said that?

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Chauvin said, "We‘re just going to hold them here until EMS arrives." And had
suggested, with excited delirium, maybe we should roll them on his side just
to... I think it‘s something had previously learned at a previous job where you
roll him on the side to a‘recovery position or something like that.
 

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Okay. What previous job would that have been?

Speaker 4:

lthink it was JDC.

Interviewer:

Did you work at a juvenile detention center?

Speaker 4:

Yup.

Interviewer:

At [Hennipinl County?

Spea ker 4:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

How long did you work there?

Speaker 4:

About

Interviewer:

Was that post college or?

Speaker 4:

Post college.

EntENiewer:

Okay. So have you experienced in the field suspected excited delirium?

Speaker 4:

No, not excited delirium necessarily, but just an incident where someone was
very excited and we ended up.

Interviewer:

Do you have a recollection in your Academy days or even prior to that, learning

a

year and

a

half.

about excited delirium?
Speaker 4:

Ithink there was a class on it.

Interviewer:

Okay. mean, you obviously bring it up, so it's clearly something you're thinking
about. What prevented you from just kind oftaking charge of that and making
the call.

Speaker 4:

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Interviewer:

Is

Speaker 4:

He's not.

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was basically going off Ofcer Chauvin's experience and what he was saying,
like, "were going to hold here until EMS arrives."
he a supervisor?

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Okay. Was he in any sort of supervisory capacity that night? Like an acting
supervisor or something like that?

Speaker 4:

No.

Interviewer:

He just has more years on that you-

Speaker 4:

He has 20 years on, so, mean basically through the whole FTC process, you
trust and go to your senior officers for experience and help on calls and what's
the best thing to do in this situation. They give you direction and kind of you
follow their lead on how, what do you think is...

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Speaker 4:

Interviewer:

 

But it seems like your gut reaction was something's not right here and we need
to rethink how we are restraining Mr. Floyd. Is that accurate? That's what it
seems like you're saving.

Yeah. would say felt like it maybe could have been handled differently or we
should be reassessing what we're doing, l think is what l was kind of coming to.
 

Okay.

Is

 

Mr. Floyd's disposition changing over time as you were holding him

there?
Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

How so?

Speaker 4:

He was actively fighting us Initially and then he just kind of was talking for a
while, saying stuff that he couldn't breath and that his back hurt.

Interviewer:

Did you hear him say that, l can't breathe?

Speaker 4:

Yep.

Interviewer:

Okay. Did you hear him say that his neck hurt?

Speaker 4:

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Interviewer:

No? Okay. Cauld you see where Officer Chauvin’s knee was placed?

Speaker 4:

Yes.

Interviewer:

Where?

Speaker 4:

Like I said, it was along the back or the neck area at the bottom of the base of
the neck.

don't specifically remember that.

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Interviewer:

Okay. So it was on the upper back at the base at the neck from your
perspective?

Speaker 4:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

interviewer:

Okay. And because Officer Chauvin said, “No, we'll leave him here," that's just,
what happened?

2nd intewicewe...:

Was that what he said, we'll leave him here?

Interviewer:

Or we'll leave him in this position.

Speaker 4:

He has said, "We have an ambulance coming, let's just hold here." He had the

ambulance coming.

Interviewer:

Okay. Were you getting a sense that Mr. Floyd was having a medical
emergency? I mean, obviously in hindsight, but at the time?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, felt maybe that something was going on.

Interviewer:

Okay. But you thought he was passing out?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. I mean, what were you feeling at that point?

Speaker 4:

lwas just monitoring and making sure that he was still breathing and that kind
ofjust, l was, like said, intently looking and making sure that he was still

 

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breathing.

Interviewer:

There's a crowd gathering, is that right?

Speaker 4:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

Can you hear what they're yelling and saying to you guys?

Speaker 4:

Mm—hmm (afrmative).

Interviewer:

What are they saying?

Speaker 4:

Someone was saying, "Get off of him, he‘s handcuffed, he's not ghting
guys."

IntEWiEWEFI

Is

2nd intervicewe...:

What is? Wait a minute.

you

that all true?

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What they're saving, "He's handcuffed, he's not ghting

2nd intewicewe...:

0h, he was fighting you.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, he was.

Interviewer:

We“, at that moment, though, when they're saving that was he?

Speaker 4:

They had been saving a lot of stuff. mean, you're talking different timelines.

Interviewer:

Okay. Did you hear anybody in the crowd express to you that he's not
breathing? I think somebody says unresponsive, I think is the word.

Speaker 4:

Ithink, yeah. don't specifically remember someone saying he's not breathing.

Interviewer:

Okay. So when the paramedics get there, describe Mr. Floyd's actions at that
point.

Spea ker 4:

He was basicaily, yeah, nonresponsive. And think the EMS came over and
attempted to check for a pulse. And [think I had said, "He's not responsive right
now." I'd said something basically-

Interviewer:

Did you think he was maybe dead at that point or no?

Speaker 4:

Imean, don't know. Idon't think so.

Interviewer:

what happens then when the paramedics get here? Are you guys still holding

you."

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them down or at some point, do you let go?

Speaker 4:

Then let get once paramedics, yeah, were there.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

And then they checked and then they got the cart out.

Interviewer:

Okay. How was he put on the cart?

Speaker 4:

We rolled him over Onto the back.

Interviewer:

what observations did you make of him when he was rolled over, if any?

Speaker 4:

lmean, don't know.

Interviewer:

Okay. Did you help out him on the stretcher?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

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Okay. And then you go into the ambulance with him?

Speaker 4:

Yep.

Interviewer:

What are yau observing of him as he's in the ambulance?

Speaker r1:

Nonresponsive again. And [think I took a pulse on him, couldn't nd
EMS guy said, "Start CPR."

Interviewer:

Start doing compressions.

Speaker 4:

Chest compressions.

Interviewer:

And you did that?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay. Have you done ch‘est compressions before?

Speaker 4:

On a person?

Interviewer:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

No.

interviewer:

That was your rst

Speaker 4:

Yes.

Interviewer:

Have you been trained to do that?

Speaker 4:

Mm‘hmm (affirmative).

Interviewer:

Where did you receive that training?

Speaker 4:

The Academy.

Interviewer:

Okay. Do you have a certain certication

 

one. The

time?

like first responder EMT, anything like

that?
Speaker 4:

We're CPR certied

Interviewer:

Perfect, okay. So you have that basic-

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

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CPR certification, all right. Did the paramedics ask you to tell them kind of
what happened?

Speaker 4:

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Interviewer:

Yeah. Let me ask you this? Was your body camem on this whole time?

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Okay.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Interviewer:

Did you give them kind of a run down of what had occurred?

Speaker 4:

Yeah‘

Interviewer:

Okay. After the firefighters get on the rig and you kind of get off the rig, where
do you go?

Speaker 4;

Weil, wasn't 100% sure where we are, so went and looked and then radioed,
ws going to see if my partner could come down and pick me up because I-

believe so, yeah.

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Speaker 5:

Radio down to see if my partner could come down and pick me up. Because
they were going to work on him.

Speaker 6:

Do you remember where you were?

Speaker 5:

 

I,

don‘t.

Speaker 6:

At intersection? Okay. Did your partner come get you? 0r what happened?

Speaker S:

ended up getting a ride with the fire department. I was waiting with them and
they said that, you know, he's going to go down to the hospital. went and said,
"You guys want me to ride with you?“ And they said, "No." So then the re,
whoever's riding the firetrucks said "We're going to be going back there. We can
give you a ride."
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Okay. Did you have a discussion with the refighters

on the re

truck about

what happened?
Speaker 5:
Spea ker 6:

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basicaiiy, Ithink gave them a run down too ofwhat happened.

Yeah, as much detail as you did today or was it just kind of a [crosstalk
01: 15:38]?

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Speaker 5:

No, it was just, you know, we went to this.

Speaker 6:

Yeah.

Speaker 5:

We were fighting. Got
out of the car. You know, went here. He didn't want
hjm
to get in.

Speaker 6:

At some point, did you deactivate your body camera?

Speaker 5:

When we were going hack.

Speaker 6:

0n the re?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay. And then did you re-reactivate it? You talked about talking to the
Sergeant?

Speaker S:

Yeah. So like, gue55 we went back and the other people were gone and so
there was, you know, nothing going on there.

Speaker 6:

So who was the sergeant that you first talked to?

Speaker 5:

[Plugen 01:16:15].

Speaker 6:

[Pluger 01:16:15]?

Speaker S:

lthink so.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Have you ever worked with him before?

Speaker 5:

Yeah, he's a midwife sergeant.

Speaker 6:

All right. Who all was there talking to Sergeant [Pluger 01:16:25]? Was it just
you or was it [crosstalk 01:16:26]?

Speaker 5:

No, but I think it was me and Kueng and Chauvin and [Towell] probably as well.

Speaker 6:

Okay. And so what did Sergeant {Pluger} want to know?

Speaker 5:

Just what happened and where and what was going on.

Speaker 6:

And did you tell him what happened? Did anybody else?

Speaker 5:

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think King did as well.

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Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker S:

Gave him kind ofa rundown.

Speaker 6:

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ldon't think did at that point. He said he was going to be driving down to the
 

hospital just to check.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker S:

Whoever said that he was, he goes, "I'm going down there right now," so it‘s
like, "Okay."

Speaker 6:

Okay. Did you think he was maybe dead?

Speaker 5:

I

Speaker 5:

Did you tell the sergeant that?

Speaker S:

 

was concerned about it at that point when we got into the ambulance.

didn‘t.

Speaker 6:

Okay. And then after the sergeant leaves, then what's discussed amongst the
four of you?

Speaker 5:

Ithink it was just what we're going to do. We need to sit on the car and ithink
{Sean} said he was going to go down to the hospital as well. And then me and
Kueng were just going to sit and wait on the car from there until we knew what
was going on.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Do you know whose car that was?

Speaker 5:

It

Speaker 6:

Oh, you're talking about sitting on your squad car?

Speaker 5:

0h yeah.

Speaker 6:

Is

Speaker 5:

0h, there was the car that we had pulled them out of.

Speaker 6:

Yeah. that car.

Speaker 5:

That car? Yeah.

was our car because [crosstalk 01:17:40].

that what you're talking about or?

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whose car

Speaker S:

I

Speaker 6:

Okay. Didn‘t get to that. Did you ever run the plate as you're sitting there?

Speaker 5:

No, don't think so.

Speaker 6:

Okay. And then who was it that suggested that you try to nd

Speaker 5:

ithink either [Pluger] and maybe Sergeant [Edward] said that.

Speaker 6:

Witnesses to what though? To the counterfeit thing or the incident with Mr.
Ford?

is

that?

don't know.

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witnesses?

think the incident with Mr. Ford.

Speaker S:

l

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker 5:

They were saying, "Just see if you can get people‘s names that were here."

Speaker 5:

Okay. And then Sergeant [Edwards 01:18:20], who is he?

Speaker 5:

Sergeant. [crosstalk 00:01:18:241.

Spea ker 6:

Third precinct?

Speaker 5:

Yeah, third precinct. [inaudible] Sergeant.

Speaker 6:

So he came down to the scene?

Speaker 5:

Mm-hmm (affirmative)._

Speaker 6:

And what did he instruct you guys to do?

Speaker 5:

He said start coordinating the area off.

Speaker 6:

Did you tell Sergeant [Edwards] what had happened? Did he ask, like what

happened?
Speaker 5:

 

think he asked forjust maybe a quick rundown and the same kind of thing.

Speaker 6:

Ali right. Okay. Do you remember the name of the, who escorted you down to
room 100?

Speaker 5:

It was a second

precinct sergeant. He's very nice. I don't remember his name.

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Speaker 6:

All right. Now. during all this time, you've had your body cameras on?

Speaker S:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Speaker 6:

All Right. Did yoa and Officer Kueng ever discuss kind of what happened off
body camera while you were waiting around?

Speaker 5:

lthink we had just said, you know, l was like, I think l had said,
okay." And there wasn't reaiiy much of

a

"I hope he's

conversation though.

Speaker 6:

No? Okay. And the Sergeant driving you down to City Hall, he didn‘t ask any
questions about what happened?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 5:

Did you give a statement to anybody at the police department that night?

Speaker S:

No, ljust, there was an attorney there.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Yeah. You talked to an attorney?

Speaker S:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker S:

 

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don't think gave her the statement [crosstalk 00:04:45].
 

Speaker 6:

Anybody from the Minneapolis police department?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 6:

Any administrator, internal affairs?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 6:

Detective?

Speaker S:

No.

Speaker 6:

No?

Speaker 5:

They were all, there was a Sergeant or Lieutenant [Zimmerman] showed up to
the scene and he kind of, same thing wanted to know what was going on. And
think i gave him and there was another guy l don't remember his name.

Speaker 6:

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Who's Lieutenant Zimmerman?

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He's an investigator.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

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He was in, well, they always wear just their little suits and long coats.

Speaker 6:

Okay, ls he Homicide unit?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay. l mean, like what was the interaction with him at the scene?

Speaker 5:

Just wanted to say what happened, what's going on.

Speaker 6:

Just told him kind ofwhat happened?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Ail right. So watching the body camera video prior to today, that
happened in your squad car?

Speaker 5:

Yeah. Ijust walked through it one more time or for the first time just to kind of
go over everything.

Speaker 6:

Okay. And as far as you know, at that time, that was within your policy to do
that, like you could watch those videos like that.

Speaker 5:

Yeah. As far as know, mean.

Speaker 6:

To help you like write reports and things or what?

Speaker 5:

Yeah, I mean you can watch body cam or on video whenever you wa nt.
[inaudible 01:21:02].

Speaker 5:

Yeah. How, like how do you physically do that? Because the camerajust-

Speaker 5:

it's on your phones.

Speaker 5:

Oh, okay.

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

City issued phone?

 

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Speaker 5:

Mm-hmm (afrmative).

Speaker 6:

Okay. All right. Was Officer King present with you when you guys watched it
together?

Speaker S:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Speaker 6:

Okay. All right.

Speaker 7:

Is

Speaker S:

Mm~hrnm (affirmative).

Speaker 7:

You were one of the officers that walked into Cup Foods for the counterfeit, did
you?

Speaker 8:

[inaudible 01:21:33].

Speaker 7:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 5:

Oh Yes.

Speaker 7:

Very good. When you walked in, did the employee explain to you why they
believe the money was counterfeit?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 7:

Okay. And as far as you know, you didn't take custody of that counterfeit
money?

Speaker S:

No.

Speaker 7:

When, and i know I'm going to jump around a little bit because [Brent‘s] asked
you a lot of very detailed questions. Have yen ever had in your experience as an
officer, somebody resist arrest?

Speaker 5:

Briefly. Yeah.

Speaker 7:

Okay.

Speaker 5:

I

it okay if ask you a question?
I

would say not to that level.

Speaker 7:

So would it be fair to say, well, l guess should ask this, when you were in the
Academy, did they walk you through if someone were to resist arrest and what
was the general training for that?

Speaker 5:

Gain control of the person and detain them.

 

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Okay.

Speaker 5:

imean, that‘s kind of a generalized question of how you resist, but mean.

Speaker 7:

 

Right. should ask this, are you taught to take somebody down to the ground in
l

a prune position on their stomach?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 7:

Okay. You've been taught that when they're handcuffed?

Speaker 5:

i

Speaker 7:

Okay. And then the restraint hold, I know that you talked abo ut where Chauvin
was, where were you?

Speaker 5:

0n his legs.

Speaker 7:

Holding his legs down?

Speaker S:

Yeah.

Speaker 7:

Okay. The entire time?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 7:

Okay. We talked about when we started kind of what's on y0ur duty belt.

Speaker 5:

Mmuhmm (affirmative).

Speaker 7:

Are you able to describe, know you have handcuffs and you have a handgun.
Do you have any other tools on your belt? Can you explain those to me? And
then as. I’m just going to have to ask you to answer yes or no. So we don’t just
get affirmative p u5es on a transcript. Can you describe your duty belt to me?

Speaker S:

My specic

Speaker 7:

Yes please.

Spea ker 5:

Sure. So have mace on the front center going to the right around. Towa rds my
right side is handcuffs. My duty weapon, behind that as another set of
handcuffs. Starting from the left center is a [inaudible 01:24:05}. 0h, it's my
magazine pouch. The two magazines, my taser, rny radio and my flashlight.

Speaker 7:

Okay. And are you taser trained?

Speaker 5:

Mrn-hrnm (afrmative).-

mean it depends on the situation.

 

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Speaker 7:

Okay.

Speaker 8:

Yes.

Speaker S:

Yes. Sorry.

Speaker 7:

When Mr. Floyd was removed from his vehicle, who was present when he came
out of the vehicle?

Speaker 5:

Myseif and Officer Kueng.

Speaker 7:

And who placed handcuffs on him?

Speaker S:

Both of us,

Speaker 7:

Okay. And what was located during the search of, or was there anything located
during the search of Mr. Ftoyd?

Speaker 5:

There was the pipe that officer Kueng had found, but that was back at the squad
though, our squad.

Speaker 7:

Right. Was there anything else as far as you know?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 7:

ID, wallet, additional money?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 7:

Not that you‘re aware of?

Speaker 5:

Not that i'm aware of, yeah.

Speaker 7:

Did you ever check for a pulse yourself on Mr. Floyd?

Speaker S:

Ithink might've on his leg, but then Ithink had said maybe to Kueng at that
point, you know, "See if you can find something up there. Just double check."

Speaker 7:

i

Speaker 5:

Which? Before GDC?

Speaker 7:

Yep.

Speaker 5:

Before that, l worked at a residential treatment facility for Ramsey County,
[Forever is Youth 00:01:2529]. It was voice [inaudible 01:25:31].

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know that you mentioned your previous, one previous job. What did you do
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Okay and so when we talk about describing, because you mentioned a few
times that you felt he may have been under the influence.

Speaker 5:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Speaker 7:

Do you have-

Speaker 5:

Yes.

Speaker 7:

Do you have experience in recognizing those signs?

Speaker 5:

Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 7:

So could you describe, I guess l should say in more specic
to you that Mr. Floyd may have been under the inuence?

Speaker 5:

His body language, the way he moved his head and his neck. it wasjust, kind of
the restless and constant movement is a sign that recognize from drug use.
That there's always something moving, that like said that the hypersensitivity,
you know, and just grabbed his arm. He was like, "0h." You know, they're very
sensitive to things as far as I feEt, you know, a very common thing for people
that are coming down off drugs or on drugs, that their senses are very, you
know, sensitive.

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Speaker 7:

Okay.

Speaker 5:

And then the dry mouth. He had very dry mouth and kind of accumulated spit
on either side of his mouth ls another common thing for drug use.

Speaker 7:

Okay. When was, should ask, when was he unhandcuf‘fed? Did you ever
unhand»

Speaker S:

In

Speaker 7:

Okay. And when did that occur?

Speaker 5:

That was Ithink as soon as he got loaded into the ambulance. Then the EMS
guy, you know, checked for pulse and gured out what. You know, I said that
we're taking, he took the cuffs off.

Speaker 7:

He took the cuffs off and handed them back to you?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 7:

Okay. And did you talk to, I know Brent asked you about viewing the video and
talking to Officer Kueng generally, have you talked to any of the other ofcers

 

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Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 7:

About thls?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 7:

The night that this incident happened, you were brought downtown, your
ctothing was collected by us. Were you offered blood?

Speaker 5:

Yeah. l think they offered to, they said it's a votuntarv to go do blood work. And
just with the COVID-19 thing, didn't really want to go down to the hospital.
 

Speaker 7:

Okay. So that would be my follow up. Was there

Speaker 5:

Yeah, basically that. l try and avoid the hospital when [can with everything
that‘s going on now.

Speaker 7:

What are your general thoughts about this?

Speaker 5:

Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 8:

You mean about what?

Speaker 7:

About all of it. There‘s a lot going on. lmean, do you think this was appropriate?

Speaker 8:

He wouldn't have done it if he didn't think it was appropriate as far as what he
did. Ithink that's it. We're not going to answer that unless you want to.

Speaker 6:

Just so it's clear, you said she asked y0u if you talked to any of the other officers
since then. Before you went to room 100 but after you've been on the
ambulance, there's kind of this time period where you're just kind of at the
scene. Did you have any conversation with officer Chauvin at that point? Did he
call, give you an update about status of the guy at the hospital? 0r did you ask
him a question or anything like that?

Speaker 5:

No, l don't have his number. So there, wasn't a phone call.

Speaker 6:

Like the work phone to work phone?

Speaker 5:

No.

Speaker 6:

And you didn't have that in your phone?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Either, this was either at the Academy or FTL or a combination of the two,
since that's kind of been your experience so far. What's kind ofthe

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understanding of practice when interacting as a rookie ofcer with a senior
officer? And I'm not taiking about a supervisor, but just a sanior patroi ofcer.
mean, i5 there, we really want to ask and i noticed you calied him sir in the
video.

 

Speaker 5:

Mm-hrnm {affirmative}.

Speaker 6:

Like how come?

Speaker 5:

That's just kind of the expectation for a new ofcer
and that's just what's expected.

Speaker 6:

That's what you're taught and trained to do. And at what point do you stop
doing that i guess?

Speaker 5:

After you have maybe more than

Speaker 6:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Did you go through the formal 40 hour CIT class at the
Academy?

Speaker S:

There was a lot of training on, would have to check.

Speaker 6:

That ones, I mean, that's pretty memorable training caUse we usually bring in
actors and you run through scenarios and things like that. Did you do that?

Speaker 5:

remember, yeah. l remember there was one where there was sce nario. Yeah,
the actress came in.

Speaker 6:

Was thatjust like a one day deal or was it [crosstalk 01:30:18]?

Speaker 5:

Idon't know if it was 4D hours.

Speaker 6:

Okay, There's the minimum eight hour standard.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, it could have been where they had actors come in and you try and talk to
them.

Speaker 6:

Yeah, you went through that minimal one? Okay.

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

What other classes in deescalation have you had? l know [asked you this
before, but want to make sure understand.

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Scenarios was one of the bigger ones where we would crisis intervention in
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Speaker 6:

Speakers come in and taik to you about things?

Speaker 5:

No or you have a scenario that, you know, someone is in crisis and you talk
them through the situation.

Speaker 6:

Okay. Okay. Did you have like a class on recognizing, like some sort of
professional would come in and tell you what to recognize signs of people in
crisis or under the influence or?

Speaker S:

Sure.

Speaker 5:

Know illness? Okay. Cover a lot of ground at the Academy?

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

All right.

Speaker 7:

How'd you first learn of Mr. Floyd's death?

Speaker 5:

think it was down at 108 or yeah. mean, honestly it was kind of
You guys are asking me like really specific questions about, yeah.

Speaker 8:

If you

Speaker 5:

ldon't remember. Yeah.

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don't remember, you don't remember.

There's nothing wrong with that.

don‘t specifically. don't specically

Speaker 5:

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Speaker 7:

Do you believe you contributed to Mr. Floyd's death?

Speaker 8:

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Speaker 7:

Do you believe Chauvincontributed to his death?

Speaker 8:

Same objection. We‘re not answering that.

Speaker 7:

Any other? ls there anything else you think that we should know that we
haven‘t asked you?

Speaker 8:

lf there is I couldn't think of it.

Speaker 5:

ldon't think so.

Speaker

will let you guys work this way, but do you have
anything else [Brent 001113231], before I, should have asked, I‘m sorry.

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object to that. You‘re not going to answer that.

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No, that's okay. I'm just, Iwant to make sure that l understand everything here.

Speaker 6:

So when it comes to offering opinions about them we‘re not going to go there it
sounds like.

Speaker 8:

Yes because it’s a criminal investigation. Did he commit a crime? That's why
we're here and not opinions about him, the way he was thought processes.
mean, you know, you can sit back and say, "Yeah, maybe did something wrong
20." It's 20 days or something, yeah. don't think that's a fair question.
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Speaker 5:

Okay. Understood.

Speaker 9:

So l have tots of questions. Okay.

Speaker 8:

[crosstalk 01:33:15].

Speaker 9:

Okay, as we previously discussed, I'm not going to answer any questions. And ifl
was to ask questions, the interview today could have been terminated or could
have been asked to leave. Would that be a fair statement of what we diSCussed
before?
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Speaker 8:

What was that?

Speaker 9:

If was to ask questious, yOu may have turned
leave at some point.

Speaker 8:

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Speaker 9:

Not FBI.

Speaker 8:

Well, and the reason it wasn't the FBI is because your investigations
substantially different than their investigation and their investigation deals with
the facts. And you‘re dealing with civil rights and all that stuff and we‘re not
prepared for that.

Speaker 9:

Okay. Understood.

Speaker 8:

But however, if you do have some questions, Mr. [Paulson] can send them to
me or you can send them to me and I can leok at them and if feel they‘re fair

 

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we'il answer them.

Speaker 9:

Sure. Fair enough. Thank you.

Speaker 7:

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Speaker 5:

No l dori't think so.

there anything else you think we shouid know that we haven't asked you?

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Speaker 7:

Okay. Mr. [Brazor] is there anything you think we shouid get on the record that
we haven’t?

Speaker 8:

Well, we've seen the video and«

Speaker 7:

And by the video, you mean the public video or the body camera?

Speaker 8:

No, the one we just saw, the body camera video. guess it speaks for itself. l
mean he's the one that was trying to interject his ability to roll him over or
things of that nature. think he might be suffering from something. And you got
a 20 year veteran and he's a four or five day veteran, no matter what. And he
has called the guy sir. is this recorded?
 

 

Speaker 7:

Yeah.

Speaker 8:

Oh l better shut up.

have a hard time with the police department putting
through guys four or five days experienced together, but not putting him with a
veteran cop and a rookie cop for at least long enough to be very serious. You
know, it'd be like a lawyer trying his first case without any help from any of the
other lawyers that have tried cases, [inaudible] and it's different.
 

So any, you know, he's got to work hard to become a cop. Was told him, telling
him, "Oh, well he went through all the training, worked at yourjuvenile center,"
which I'm sure is not a fun job. And he got his dream job as a police.

Speaker 5:

[crosstalk 01:35:56].

Speaker 8:

Huh?

Speaker 5:

Tried to have fun with lt and, you know, it worked all well as you can with the
guys.

Speaker 8:

That's a hard job working with juveniles.

Speaker 6:

Can

Speaker 5:

Sure.

Speaker 6:

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ask you a question about that?

mean do you feel that you were adequately trained at the Minneapolis police

department?

don't think that‘s a fair. question. l can give those opinions, but he-

Speaker 8:

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Speaker 6:

Well, he's experienced, you know, but-

Speaker 8:

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Speaker 6:
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All I can do is ask, you don't have to answer. Okay.
Right. {inaudible} to fire him. i mean he‘ll like that about, Ithink. didn't see
Chauvin get fired. They didn‘t get fired? Yeah, he did, didn’t he?
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have no-

Speaker 6:

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Speaker 8:

He's got the appeal.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker 8:

Where my client is red,

Speaker 6:

Being on probation.

Speaker 8:

He's not on probation.

Speaker 6:

No, no. I mean, he was a probatiOnary ofcer

Speaker 8:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Under a year?

Speaker 8:

Yeah.

Speaker 6:

Okay.

Speaker 8:

All right.

Speaker 6:

Understood.

Speaker 8:

Okay.

Speaker 6:

Thank you all. The time is 14:50.

Speaker 8:

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