1 Re: People v. James Gary SDSC Case No. CD266372 2 3 TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED 4 INTERVIEW OF RONALD POSNER 5 DATED ________________ 6 [BEGIN RECORDING] 7 SDPD ... [inaudible] 8 Posner Hello. 9 SDPD Oh no worries, I’m Christine. 10 Posner Yeah, Ron. 11 SDPD This is my partner [inaudible]... 12 SDPD Bob, nice to meet you, how you doing? 13 Posner Nice to meet you, you are? 14 SDPD Bob, her partner. 15 Posner Bob, okay. 16 SDPD Yeah. 17 Posner [inaudible] 18 SDPD I’m an investigator at the, at the office 19 Sorry [inaudible]. [inaudible] ... 20 Posner Okay. 21 SDPD ... yeah. 22 Posner Come and sit down. 23 Would you like some water or something? 24 SDPD Oh, no thank you ... 25 SDPD No I’m good th- ... 26 SDPD ... I appreciate the hospitality [inaudible]... 27 SDPD It’s beautiful up here. 28 Posner Yeah, it’s a nice view that’s why I’m here ... - 1 - 1 SDPD It really is. 2 SDPD Yeah, nice to work [inaudible]. 3 SDPD I like the floors too. 4 Posner [inaudible] at the Travel Lodge. 5 SDPD Yeah. 6 Yeah. And you’re, you travel for your business? 7 Posner Yeah. 8 SDPD Oh okay ... 9 Posner [inaudible] 10 SDPD ... and what, what is that that you do? 11 Posner We have a company in China that’s a pre-paid credit 12 card company so ... 13 SDPD Okay. 14 Posner ... [inaudible] CEO of that... 15 SDPD Oh okay. 16 Posner ... that’s it. 17 SDPD Yeah? 18 Posner And a few other little things here and there. 19 SDPD Yeah. I think that if you’re not doing a bunch of 20 different stuff, then you’re probably missing the 21 boat when it comes to entrepreneurialship and that 22 sort of thing... 23 Posner Yeah, well I try and stay busy .... 24 SDPD Yeah, yeah ... 25 Posner ... also have bills so. [chuckling] 26 SDPD ... yeah, yeah, I can imagine... 27 Posner [inaudible] 28 SDPD ... yeah. - 2 - 1 Posner You said you wanted to see my ID? 2 SDPD Uh, yes. 3 Posner Driver’s license. 4 SDPD Yeah, that’ll be great. 5 Posner Here you go. 6 SDPD All right. 7 SDPD [inaudible] the view, is this nice from downstairs? 8 Posner Yeah. 9 SDPD Well and you have the little deck out there too. Posner Yeah, I like the view. 10 At night, it’s nice. You 11 can see the planes come in between the buildings. 12 Looks like they’re gonna crash. 13 SDPD Yeah, no doubt. 14 SDPD [inaudible] when I’ve ate at Mr. A’s. 15 Posner Right, yeah, it’s a nice place. 16 SDPD Yeah, it’s right, it’s right next to you and it 17 feels like it’s coming right in. 18 Posner Yeah. 19 SDPD How long have you been here at this address? 20 Posner A little over two years. 21 Before that, in Little Italy. 22 SDPD Oh okay... 23 Posner And before that, in San Francisco. 24 SDPD Oh okay, so you have lived in San Diego for a while? 25 Posner Four ye-, four years. 26 SDPD Oh okay. 27 Posner Little over four years. 28 SDPD Originally from the Bay area? - 3 - Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner No, originally from Ohio. Oh, okay. Went from Ohio to college to Los Angeles to San Francisco to here. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's how I ended up here. Okay. All right. Well the reason why I'm here is we're doing an investigation of another lndivldual yeah. you're not the focus of this investigation, but 1 think that you have a peripherally knowledge of some of the people involved. Okay. So 1 have a couple of pictures that I wanted to show you. Okay. Let me start off by saying that, by no means are you under arrest or are you compelled, you know, to talk to us Okay. or anything like that. I'm happy to talk with you 1f 1 can help. Okay. [inaudible] . .. SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner Do you know Yes. these lndivlduals? 1 know her Okay. a little blt, not well. 1 know her a little bit, well 1 actually know her mom and through her mom, know her a little bit. Okay. How, how What's going on? how do you know all these gals? The one with the Joy jeans I'm sorry. . . 1 know through her mom. Okay. Okay. Her mom brought her by for lunch. And her mom is? - [inaudible] the last name but- something. Okay. And this one, 1 think they're frlends or something. Or some connection there. What's gelng on? Okay. The that I'm investigating is a plmp. Okaydon't know whether you saw my card or saw the I saw your card. 1 SDPD 2 3 ... that said I’m an investigator to human trafficking and sex crimes. Posner Right. Actually I’m involved with a charity, well 4 not charity, foundation called Not for Sale that 5 deals with that issue up in the Bay area. 6 SDPD Hm-mm. 7 Posner So I’m [inaudible] familiar with the [inaudible] 8 9 issue. SDPD Okay. During my investigation of this individual, 10 I’ve come across your name, from his lips, in 11 regards to being involved with these women. 12 Posner 13 Can I ask who that individual is you’re talking about? 14 SDPD Not at this time, no ... 15 Posner Okay. 16 SDPD ... I’m not, I’m not free to divulge that. 17 Posner Just curious. 18 SDPD But from what I understand these women, you have 19 hired per se to be companions of yours and ... 20 Posner Not really but go on. 21 SDPD ... and this is, this is, most of the questions that 22 I ask you, I already know the answers to, okay? 23 Cause I’ve done ... 24 Posner Okay. 25 SDPD ... a lotta research on this case ... 26 Posner Okay. 27 SDPD ... and I understand a, a lot of what’s going on. 28 Posner Okay. - 6 - 1 SDPD I also know that the, the San Diego Police 2 Department was up here talking to you about a 3 missing 15-year old ... 4 Posner Yes. 5 SDPD ... a while back. 6 Posner Yes. 7 SDPD Okay. It’s, it’s not, it’s not a secret that you 8 enjoy the company of young black females and so 9 that’s the reason why I’m here. 10 Posner Okay. 11 SDPD So if you could be a little bit more honest with me 12 in regards to your relationships with these two 13 gals... 14 Posner Sure. 15 SDPD ... 16 that would help out my investigation a great deal. 17 Posner Okay. What would you like to know? 18 SDPD Okay. The first gal, her name is, do you know her 19 name, this ... 20 Posner Which one? 21 SDPD ... this one? 22 Posner 23 SDPD Okay. 25 Posner I’ve, I’ve gone out with the movies a couple times. 26 SDPD Okay. 27 Posner Okay. 28 SDPD All right. And what has been your relationship with 24 And ... - 7 - 1 Posner [inaudible] ... 2 SDPD ... have you had sex with her? 3 Posner Yes. 4 SDPD Okay. 5 Posner Once. 6 SDPD Okay. 7 payment for spending time with her? 8 Posner No. 9 SDPD Okay. 10 11 Have you given her cash or presents or anything of that sort at any time? Posner 12 13 And did there, was there an exchange of I gave her fifty dollars once, when she said she had to pay her rent. SDPD Okay. And that’s the extent of the money, I’m 14 thinking that you probably have given her more money 15 than fifty dollars. 16 Posner 17 Well not much more. It was maybe a hundred but yeah, not a lot. 18 SDPD Okay. 19 Posner I probably [inaudible] I went to lunch with her and 20 And what about her mom. 21 SDPD Okay. 22 Posner And then dinner with her and her girlfriend once. 23 SDPD Okay. 24 you had sex with her? 25 Posner Once. 26 SDPD Okay. 27 28 And you’ve never had sex with her, or have Do you remember when she was over and said that she had to bail her mom outta jail? Posner Yeah. - 8 - 1 SDPD Do you remember that conversation? 2 Posner I remember that conversation. 3 SDPD Okay. 4 Posner Is that true? 5 SDPD ... how much money did you give her at that time? 6 Posner I think three hundred cause she needed it, she said 7 8 And how mu-... she had to get her mom outta jail, if that’s true. SDPD 9 Okay. Well the deal is, is that we believe that they were using you for money because they knew of 10 your propensity for black females. 11 Posner Hm-mm, yeah, [inaudible]... 12 SDPD That they were using you for your money to help get 13 their pimp outta jail. 14 Posner It’s possible. 15 SDPD So that’s why we’re here. 16 Posner Not, not the mom? 17 SDPD Pardon? 18 Posner Not the mom. 19 SDPD It was not the mom. 20 Posner Okay. 21 Cause the mom came by and or had lunch and indicated that she was in jail [inaudible]... 22 SDPD Yeah, well she could’ve been in jail ... 23 Posner Right. 24 SDPD ... it’s a good possibility... 25 SDPD Yeah. [laughing] 26 Posner Right. 27 SDPD ... but at that particular time, she was not in jail 28 and ... - 9 - 1 Posner Okay. 2 SDPD ... and the, the money wasn’t used for them. 3 Posner Okay. 4 SDPD It was purposely used for him ... 5 Posner Okay. 6 SDPD ... and actually the individual who had actually 7 named you and said you need to talk to this 8 gentleman and he can provide money to get me outta 9 jail ... 10 Posner Okay. 11 SDPD ... in regards to ... 12 Posner Yeah I’m, I’m, I don’t know who this individual is 13 [inaudible] I haven’t had contact with him. 14 SDPD Right, right, and I, and I know that, okay? 15 Posner [inaudible] 16 SDPD So ... 17 Posner I mean are these girls related to each other? 18 SDPD They know each other. 19 Posner Hm-mm. 20 SDPD It’s all part of the same circuit. 21 Posner Right. 22 SDPD All part of the same, same folks. 23 Posner Right. 24 SDPD So I think what’s happening here is that you’re kind 25 of a lucrative fish, per se, for them to, to use ... 26 Posner Hm-mm. 27 SDPD ... in that regard. 28 Posner Right. - 10 - 1 SDPD It could probably be a, a mutual thing between, you 2 know, the both of you meaning that obviously you get 3 their company and they get your cash ... 4 Posner Hm-mm. 5 SDPD ... per se. 6 Posner Right. 7 SDPD So that’s where we’re at with that one. 8 Posner Okay. 9 SDPD Okay? 10 Posner No. 11 SDPD Okay. 12 Posner [inaudible] how old are they? 13 SDPD Did you ever ask? 14 Posner Yeah, they said they were eighteen and nineteen. 15 SDPD Okay. 16 Posner [inaudible] how old are they? 17 SDPD How old did 18 Posner She said she was eighteen and the other one said 19 Do you know how old these gals are? say? nineteen. 20 SDPD And she said nineteen? 21 Posner Yeah. 22 SDPD Okay. 23 Posner Really? 24 SDPD Yes. 25 Posner I didn’t realize they’re that young. 26 SDPD So. 27 Posner No. 28 SDPD No? Well they’re both fifteen. Have you, are you still in contact with them? - 11 - 1 Posner 2 3 then but no. SDPD 4 5 They, they send me texts asking for money now and Okay. And now how did you, how did you get introduced to these gals? Posner The, this one through a mutual friend who said she 6 needed some help. 7 through her mom. And the other one as I said 8 SDPD Okay. 9 Posner This one. SDPD All right. Would it surprise you if I knew that, that had contacted you through Facebook? 10 11 12 Posner It’s possible she Facebooked me. 13 SDPD Okay. 14 Posner Not really. 15 SDPD Okay. 16 Posner Okay. 17 SDPD Have you used it in the past? 18 Posner Maybe a couple years ago, once or twice. 19 Do you ever use the application BackPage? Not lately. [inaudible] BackPage. 20 SDPD Yeah, they’re, they both post on BackPage ... 21 Posner Hm-mm. 22 SDPD ... so and, and they’re, you know, known for, for 23 that type of business. 24 Posner Right, yeah, but I didn’t meet ‘em that way. 25 SDPD Okay. 26 Posner What else would you like to know? 27 SDPD So h-, how did you meet them? 28 Posner As I said, this one through her mom and as I said, - 12 - SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD she may have sent me a Facebook message. one through a mutual friend who's an older lady I know. And that is? That name of that lady? The, yeah. -- yeah. Okay. I think-- [inaudible] from her sister or I don't know the detalls. Okay. And do you know a gal by the name of yeah. Okay. And what relationship is she I've helped her with her buSlness but she has nothing to do with these girls. Okay. To my knowledge. Okay. why, how'd her name come up? She came up through my investigation. Okay, yeah. And through the investigation that, actually the gentleman who oame and spoke with you the other night from San Diego yeah. He, he went into it a little bit more, the 13 Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD investigation, and I know that, that it is, that your relationships with these gals are known by your family as well Yeah, well an older lady, I mean, nothing to do with these girls. quht, okay. At any time, have they stolen from you or taken anything Not to. . . that they, that you haven't given them? not to my knowledge. Okay. what about anybody else in your family? What? That they've what? That they've stolen from them? They've had no contact with people in my family. Okay, okay. So no, the answer's no. Okay. I understand that, that you had a party a while ago in, at your house in La Jolla and Yes. there were some, there was some jewelry stolen there at that point. Not to my knowledge, I mean that's, 1 had a party but I didn't know that anything was stolen. your wife never told you that, that a lot of her jewelry was stolen? I don't think 1t was stolen. You don't think it was stolen? 14 1 Posner No. 2 SDPD Okay. 3 Posner I think she was just upset that I had the party. 4 SDPD Okay. 5 All right. Were there a lotta people on there that were of this age or ... 6 Posner No, no one at that age. 7 SDPD No one at that age? 8 Posner Yeah. 9 SDPD Okay. 10 Posner These are older, older friends of mine. 11 SDPD Okay. 12 SDPD Yeah, I’m just curious, how, how did you meet her 13 All right. mom? 14 Posner Just you know socially. 15 SDPD And could you be a little bit more specific? 16 did you meet her through Facebook? 17 at work? 18 party? 19 Posner 20 21 I mean Did you meet her Was she part of another business deal? [inaudible] through some mutual friends, and there’s nothing, it’s just what, minor contact. SDPD 22 A Okay. Did, did mom know about your business relationship with her daughter? 23 Posner I assume. 24 SDPD Okay. 25 Posner I don’t know for sure, but I assume. 26 SDPD But mom didn’t broker the deal or help with it? 27 Posner No. 28 SDPD Okay. - 15 - Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner SDPD Posner Nothing to do that. Okay. Just had lunch. And -- you said that you met her through okay. Yeah. Older lady but 1 think knew her sister or something. Okay. All right. And how is it that you spent time with them, 1 mean, they come up and spend time in your, your place or? Mostly lunches and dinners and movies. Okay. At the time that you were spending time with -- did she ever mention any other indivlduals by name, any other llke what I'm thinking of did, she ever mention a plmp's name or anything llke that? She didn't mention anyone, this one mentioned a guy name James Gary. Okay. And how that name come up? She wanted give him some money, she didn't have an ID [inaudible] Western Union and she said, can you send it to James Gary. Okay. He has an ID she said. Okay, so you were gonna see, okay, you were gonna send the money, she asked for some money? She asked for some money for Western union, well, to 16 1 be sent and I said I can send it to Western Union, 2 she said, I said do you have an ID? 3 And she said, send it to James Gary’s ID. 4 SDPD Okay. 5 Posner About a month ago or so. 6 SDPD Okay. 7 Posner Roughly. 8 SDPD All right. 9 Okay. She said no. And when was that? Has anyone, either one of them ever asked you to help bail out somebody or go down and 10 sign for, for somebody’s bail or anything like that? 11 Posner No, just the one girl, this one, for her mom’s bail. 12 SDPD For her mom’s bail. 13 Posner And we discussed that. 14 SDPD Okay. 15 Posner That was it, I didn’t sign for anything. 16 SDPD Okay. 17 Posner Or go down anywhere. 18 SDPD All right. 19 Posner Anything else? 20 SDPD Do you have any more questions? 21 SDPD No, I think that pretty well covers it. 22 All right. for your candor, I appreciate that. 23 SDPD Yeah. 24 Posner Yeah, anything else, call me. 25 SDPD Okay, yeah ... 26 Posner ... or email ... 27 SDPD ... I, I appreciate your honesty and ... 28 Posner Sure. - 17 - Thank you 1 SDPD ... everything and ... 2 Posner Well glad to help you. 3 SDPD ... okay. 4 Posner I’d be happy to. 5 SDPD ... okay, yeah, well we’ll probably be in touch ... 6 Posner Okay. 7 SDPD ... once I put everything together ... 8 Posner Okay. 9 SDPD ... we’ll probably be in touch ... 10 Posner Yeah, let me know. 11 SDPD ... so. 12 Posner Okay. 13 SDPD Thank you Mr. Posner. 14 SDPD You, you wouldn’t happen to have a receipt for that, Well ... Let me know. Okay. 15 the Western Union thing, would you? 16 see? 17 Posner I probably have on, yeah, I might. That we could I got a receipt 18 but they, Western Union [inaudible] so I could 19 probably go back in the records and ... 20 SDPD 21 Did, did you use your name or somebody else’s name, or? 22 Posner What, to send it? 23 SDPD Yeah, to send it? 24 Posner My name. 25 SDPD Okay. 26 Posner But I could go back to Western Union and they keep 27 28 Maybe ... track of the ... SDPD Did it have Mr. Gary’s name on it, when the money - 18 - 1 went through? 2 Posner Yes. 3 SDPD Okay, and was, was that, was that exchange part of a 4 business deal or ... 5 Posner No ... 6 SDPD ... was it a quid pro quo or did she just ask for 7 your help and you gave it? 8 Posner She just asked for help. 9 SDPD Did you guys have sex that day? 10 Posner No. 11 SDPD Okay, all right, well thank you, that’s ... 12 Posner Okay. 13 SDPD ... that’s all I can think of. 14 Posner Okay, actually I was out of town that day so. 15 SDPD Okay. 16 Posner I sent it from Los Angeles into her, to San Diego. 17 SDPD Okay. 18 Posner ... with, you know, Western Union, you just have to 19 Oh where’d you send the money from? name the State’s California. 20 SDPD Okay, all right. 21 SDPD Okay. And the, there was, was there, so I’m not as 22 familiar with Western Union. 23 to any office in California ... 24 Posner Yeah. 25 SDPD ... and ... 26 Posner Yeah, pick it up, yeah. 27 SDPD ... re- ... 28 SDPD Hm-mm. - 19 - So then that could go 1 SDPD ... retrieve the money that way? 2 Posner Yeah, as long as you have an ID, you need an ID. 3 SDPD Okay. 4 Posner And that’s where the James Gary name came up. 5 SDPD Okay. 6 SDPD Hm-mm. 7 Posner And that was the only other name I’m aware of. 8 SDPD Okay. 9 Posner I mean that, in that regard. SDPD Okay. 10 11 12 And you said you could probably find that receipt if we needed ... Posner 13 Yeah, yeah, I can go back into the Western Union records online, but yeah, I could do that. 14 SDPD Okay. 15 SDPD Yeah, we’d appreciate that, that’d be nice. 16 SDPD Yeah, that’d be great if you could do that, let me 17 know when you have that and I’ll ... 18 Posner I’ll, I’ll do that. 19 SDPD ... I would, that would be wonderful. 20 Posner Okay. 21 SDPD All right. 22 Posner Okay. 23 SDPD Thanks so much. 24 SDPD Thank you for your time, really appreciate it 25 [inaudible] 26 Posner [inaudible] goodbye. 27 SDPD I love your place! 28 Posner Oh thank you... Take care. - 20 - SDPD Posner SDPD SDPD Posner SDPD SDPD Posner God, 1 love that Viewand watch that plane land, 1 jU', just fascmated by that quht [lnaudlble] [luaudlble] Wowl Okay, take care. You too. Have a good day su. Thank you. OF 21 PROOFREADER'S CERTIFICATE 1 2 Re: People v. James Gary 3 SDSC Case No. CD266372 4 TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED 5 INTERVIEW OF RONALD POSNER 6 DATED ________________ 7 8 9 I, Karen Potter of POTTER LEGAL TRANSCRIPTION certify that on July 13, 2016, I proofread all of the transcript of the 10 above-referenced sound file while listening to the CD from which 11 same was transcribed, and that said transcript, as typed, 12 accurately reflects the spoken word, to the best of my ability 13 to hear those recorded words and identify the various persons 14 speaking. 15 I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the 16 State of California that the foregoing is true and correct. 17 Executed this 13th day of July 2016 at San Diego, California. 18 19 /s/ Karen Potter 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 - 22 -