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SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE

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U . S . SENATE

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WAS HI NGTON ,

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INTERVIEW OF :

ROBE RT GOLDSTONE - Part 2

(by Videoconference)

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THURSDAY , MARCH 29 ,

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WASHINGTON ,

2018

D. C .

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The interview in this matter was held at the

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Russell Senate Of fice Building ,

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commencing at 3 : 10 p . m.

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1 birthday of Billy Graham .

And he arrived on t he

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8th o f No vember , came directly fr om the airpo rt to

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an event th at Aras and his t eam had set up at Nobu

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And it was a kind o f meet - and-greet

reception with s o me key business leaders and , I

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friends, acquain t ances , colleagues of t he

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And Mr . Trump was the guest of honor

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1 0 event.

That was the first

It l as ted a pproxima tel y an ho u r , a fter

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hote l, had some rest, changed, and t hen wen t ou t

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to t he Crocus Estate where he was given a tour of

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the estate by Emin.

I wasn 't present for that.

1 5 And he stayed o n t o a tte nd the birthday -- I thi nk
1 6 it was t he 57th birthday -- o f Aras Ag a l a rov t hat
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1 8 Miss Universe con t estan t s would a tte nd , many o f
1 9 the celebrit y judges who were there, and k i nd of
20 th e creme de la creme o f the entertainment wo rld
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o f Russ i a was there, I thi nk abou t

22 maybe more , 500 people .

400 peop l e ,

And Mr. Tr ump at te nded .

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He stayed until -- I know he stayed until at least

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1 2 : 30 -- t hat ' s midnigh t t hir t y -- because t hat ' s

25 when t he birthday cake finish ed .

And I b e lieve he

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l ef t around 1:00, poss i bly even 1:30.

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He 'd also agreed -- Emin had asked me

3 dur i ng t he Nob u meeting if I could somehow get Mr .
4 Trump to be in his music video wh i ch was be i ng
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sho t the next day, and s o meho w I did get Mr . Trump

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to agree t o give us 15 minu t es to shoot his par t

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i n it a t approximately 7 :3 0 to 8 : 00 a . m., i n t hat

8 time fr ame , at th e Ritz - Carlton in Mo scow in th e
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So he was dropped b ack a t hi s hotel.

1 0 I have no idea wha t time, b ut it t akes abou t

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11 mi nutes to get fr om Cro cus, so I wo uld estimate he
1 2 got back to the hote l about 2 : 00 a . m.

And at

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somewhere a ft e r 7 : 00 a . m., maybe 7 :1 5 , 7 :3 0 , I

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called Keith Schiller , who I underst ood to be his

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head of s ecurity, to reque s t th a t he make hi s way

1 6 down t o the boardroom to shoo t t he music video ,
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And after that, he spent most o f

1 8 the day with t he Miss Universe Organiza ti on ,
1 9 excep t t o do a press conference lat e in the
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Th ere was a r e h earsa l.

Th en th e r e was

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the show its e lf, wh i ch ended a round 11:0 0 a t

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n i ght .

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held als o within the Crocus world .

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1, 200 people.

He t hen came t o the a ft er - par t y wh ich was
It was about

And he s t ayed 'til about 2 : 00 or

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Th a t' s how we get 3 days .

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We didn 't have him for 3 days.

We had him for

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o ne full day , o ne bit o f a half -day, and a f ew

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hours o f the next day .

And then he left on a jet

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Q. We ' ve previously discussed in your prior

t es timony the Nobu even t, so we 'll skip over that.
Yo u menti o ned his h o t e l.

Was he staying at th e

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A. He was .

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Q. And did yo u see him at the Ritz - Carlto n

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Hotel?
A. Yes, for sure.

I saw him th e r e th e

morning o f th e video sho o t.

I'm n o t sure if I saw

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I was a l so

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I was g o ing t o say perhaps I saw him in a l o bby,

1 8 but I'm sure he wou ld have gone up in an elevator.
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I don 't know .

I didn 't see him excep t on th e

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Q. My quest i on wasn 't c l ear .

I'm trying t o

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take us through this chronologically .

You stated

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that Mr . Trump came in late in the evening on

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Novemb e r 8th and went from the airport to Nobu.

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Did you travel wi t h him back t o his hotel?

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A. I did n o t .

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Q. Do you know anybody who did travel wi th

4 h i m back t o the hotel?
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A. Fo r sure , his translat o r .

He was

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the time t here .

I don 't know who th a t was .

And I

8 saw Keith Schiller with him almost all the time he
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Q. The t ranslator th a t wa s assigned to Mr .

Trump , who assigned that translat o r to him?
A. The t ranslator was assigned t hrough

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So I would i mag i ne him also .

I believe t he l a dy who took c a re of

all th e translat o rs for e v e rybody attending th e r e

1 5 was a lady by the name of Sve t lana Bignova .

She

1 6 de a lt wi th logist i cs , on - ground log i s t ics .
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Q. Yo u stated that Mr . Trump the next day

1 8 wen t on a tour o f the Crocus Es t a t e .

Do you know

1 9 who a t t ended t he Crocus tour wi t h him?
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A. Emin , but I actually beli e v e that h e may

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hav e d o ne tha t

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f ollowing day .

I' m not s ure he d i d tha t t he
I think he may have done t hat

2 3 pri o r to the birthday o n the first day .
Did you know --

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Q. I see .

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A. So a ft e r Nobu , a t t he ho t el , y eah .

Emin

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drove him a round .
Q. Was anyo ne e ls e with him that yo u know

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A. No t t hat I know f or sure , bu t, a g a i n ,

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everywhere I saw Mr . Trump , Ke ith Schiller was

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Q. Af t er t he t our , he a t t ended t he b i rthday

party f o r Aras that e v en ing?
A. Yes .

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Q. Were you a t

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A. Yes .

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Q. Did you see Mr . Trump

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A. I was working .

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t he p a rty?

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was t here in a work i ng

capacity .

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Q. Did yo u observe Mr . Trump a t

the p a r t y?

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A. Yes .

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Q. Did yo u see him speaking to anyo ne -- any

1 8 Russian na tionals a t t he birthday par t y?
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A. Yes .

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Q. Who d o you r eca ll that h e was speaking

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A. A co uple o f celebr i ty per f ormers , one o f

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th e name o f Philip Kirkorov .

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And he was seated

I don 't know if Emin was

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actually at that t able .

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I presume he was , but I

And the table held 10 o r 12

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I ima gine.

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Th a t's who usu a lly s a t with h i m a t

his

And they would be Russian .

Q. Do you know if any of t hem were Russian
Government officials?

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A. That I do n o t

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Q. Do you know if any o f them were also at

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the Nobu event?
A. The on ly pers o n I know at the No bu event

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think is t he CEO or chairman of Sberbank in

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Russia.

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Q. Was he a l so at the birthday party?

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A. I believe he was .

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Q. Did y o u see Mr . Trump interact with Mr .

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A. I did no t.

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Q. Yo u stated that after the birthday party,

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Mr . Trump returned t o hi s hotel arr i v i ng probab l y

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somewhere a round 2: 00 a . m.

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the hotel with him?

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A. I did no t.

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Q. Do you know who did?

Did you tr avel back to