U.S. Department of Justice

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Washington, D.C. 20535
October 30, 2020
MR. JASON LEOPOLD
BUZZFEED NEWS
7TH FLOOR
1630 CONNECTICUT AVENUE NW
WASHINGTON, DC 20009
FOIPA Request No.: 1432673-000
Civil Action No.: 19-cv-01278
Subject: All 302’s of individuals who were
questioned/interviewed by FBI Agents
working for the Office of Special Counsel
Robert Mueller
Dear Mr. Leopold:
You were previously advised we were consulting with another agency concerning information related to
your Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request.
A portion of that information has been returned to the FBI and is enclosed. The documents were reviewed
under the FOIA/FOIPA, Title 5, United States Code, Sections (s) 552/552a. Below you will find check boxes under
the appropriate statue headings which indicate the types of exemptions asserted to protect information which is
exempt from disclosure. The appropriate exemptions are noted on the enclosed pages next to redacted
information. The checked exemptions used to withhold information are further explained in the enclosed
Explanation of Exemptions.
Section 552

Section 552a
(d)(5)

(b)(1)

(b)(7)(A)

(b)(2)

(b)(7)(B)

(j)(2)

(b)(7)(C)

(k)(1)

(b)(7)(D)

(k)(2)

(b)(7)(E)

(k)(3)

(b)(7)(F)

(k)(4)

(b)(4)

(b)(8)

(k)(5)

(b)(5)

(b)(9)

(k)(6)

(b)(3)
Please see additional
information

(b)(6)

(k)(7)

1,199 pages were reviewed and 978 pages are being released.
The appropriate redactions were made by the Department of State (DOS), Department of
Commerce (DOC), National Security Agency (NSA), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Defense
Intelligence Agency (DIA), United States Custom and Border Protection (CBP), Department of
Justice/Office of Information Policy (DOJ/OIP), United States Secret Service, (USSS),
Department of Energy Office of the Inspector General (DOE-OIG), United States Office of
Management and Budget (OMB), Department of Justice/National Security Division (NSD),
Department of The Treasury/Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation Office of the Inspector General (FDIC-OIG), National Credit Union
Administration (NCUA), Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence (ODNI)

 Please refer to the enclosed FBI FOIPA Addendum for additional standard responses applicable to
your request. “Part 1” of the Addendum includes standard responses that apply to all requests. “Part 2”
includes additional standard responses that apply to all requests for records about yourself or any third party
individuals. “Part 3” includes general information about FBI records that you may find useful. Also
enclosed is our Explanation of Exemptions.
Although your request is in litigation, we are required by law to provide you the following
information:
For questions regarding our determinations, visit the www.fbi.gov/foia website under “Contact Us.”
The FOIPA Request Number listed above has been assigned to your request. Please use this number in
all correspondence concerning your request.
If you are not satisfied with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s determination in response to this
request, you may administratively appeal by writing to the Director, Office of Information Policy (OIP), United
States Department of Justice, 441 G Street, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20530, or you may submit an
appeal through OIP's FOIA STAR portal by creating an account following the instructions on OIP’s website:
https://www.justice.gov/oip/submit-and-track-request-or-appeal. Your appeal must be postmarked or
electronically transmitted within ninety (90) days of the date of my response to your request. If you submit
your appeal by mail, both the letter and the envelope should be clearly marked "Freedom of Information Act
Appeal." Please cite the FOIPA Request Number assigned to your request so it may be easily identified.
You may seek dispute resolution services by contacting the Office of Government Information
Services (OGIS). The contact information for OGIS is as follows: Office of Government Information
Services, National Archives and Records Administration, 8601 Adelphi Road-OGIS, College Park, Maryland
20740-6001, e-mail at ogis@nara.gov; telephone at 202-741-5770; toll free at 1-877-684-6448; or facsimile
at 202-741-5769. Alternatively, you may contact the FBI’s FOIA Public Liaison by emailing
foipaquestions@fbi.gov. If you submit your dispute resolution correspondence by email, the subject
heading should clearly state “Dispute Resolution Services.” Please also cite the FOIPA Request Number
assigned to your request so it may be easily identified.
Please direct any further inquiries about this case to the Attorney representing the Government in
this matter. Please use the FOIPA Request Number and/or Civil Action Number in all correspondence or
inquiries concerning your request.

See additional information which follows.

Sincerely,

Michael G. Seidel
Section Chief
Record/Information
Dissemination Section
Information Management Division
Enclosures
Additional Information:
The enclosed documents represent the twelfth interim release of information responsive to your Freedom
of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request. This material is being provided to you at no charge.

 b(3) Statutes Cited:
•
Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure 6 (e)
•
50 U.S.C § 3024(i)(1)
•
10 U.S.C § 424
•
50 U.S.C § 3024 (m)
•
50 U.S.C § 3605 (PL 86-36)
•
CIA Act of 1949
•
31 U.S.C § 5319
•
8 U.S.C § 1202
For your information, sealed court records are not eligible for release under the Freedom of Information
Act. Material responsive to your request has been withheld and marked "OTHER-Sealed" pursuant to appropriate
order(s) issued by federal district courts.
As previously indicated, document(s) were located which originated with, or contained information
concerning another agency (ies). We are consulting with the other agency (ies) and are awaiting their response.
Our office has processed all other information currently in our possession. The FBI will correspond with you
regarding those documents when the consultation is completed.

 FBI FOIPA Addendum
As referenced in our letter responding to your Freedom of Information/Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request, the FBI FOIPA
Addendum provides information applicable to your request. Part 1 of the Addendum includes standard responses that apply
to all requests. Part 2 includes standard responses that apply to requests for records about individuals to the extent your
request seeks the listed information. Part 3 includes general information about FBI records, searches, and programs.
Part 1: The standard responses below apply to all requests:
(i)

5 U.S.C. § 552(c). Congress excluded three categories of law enforcement and national security records from the
requirements of the FOIPA [5 U.S.C. § 552(c)]. FBI responses are limited to those records subject to the
requirements of the FOIPA. Additional information about the FBI and the FOIPA can be found on the www.fbi.gov/foia
website.

(ii)

Intelligence Records. To the extent your request seeks records of intelligence sources, methods, or activities, the
FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1), (b)(3), and as applicable to
requests for records about individuals, PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(1), (b)(3), and (j)(2)]. The mere
acknowledgment of the existence or nonexistence of such records is itself a classified fact protected by FOIA exemption
(b)(1) and/or would reveal intelligence sources, methods, or activities protected by exemption (b)(3) [50 USC §
3024(i)(1)]. This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that any such records do or do not exist.

Part 2: The standard responses below apply to all requests for records on individuals:
(i)

Requests for Records about any Individual—Watch Lists. The FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of
any individual’s name on a watch list pursuant to FOIA exemption (b)(7)(E) and PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§
552/552a (b)(7)(E), (j)(2)]. This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that watch list records do or
do not exist.

(ii)

Requests for Records about any Individual—Witness Security Program Records. The FBI can neither confirm
nor deny the existence of records which could identify any participant in the Witness Security Program pursuant to
FOIA exemption (b)(3) and PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(3), 18 U.S.C. 3521, and (j)(2)]. This is a
standard response and should not be read to indicate that such records do or do not exist.

(iii)

Requests for Records for Incarcerated Individuals. The FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records
which could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any incarcerated individual pursuant to
FOIA exemptions (b)(7)(E), (b)(7)(F), and PA exemption (j)(2) [5 U.S.C. §§ 552/552a (b)(7)(E), (b)(7)(F), and (j)(2)].
This is a standard response and should not be read to indicate that such records do or do not exist.

Part 3: General Information:
(i)

Record Searches. The Record/Information Dissemination Section (RIDS) searches for reasonably described records by
searching systems or locations where responsive records would reasonably be found. A standard search normally
consists of a search for main files in the Central Records System (CRS), an extensive system of records consisting of
applicant, investigative, intelligence, personnel, administrative, and general files compiled by the FBI per its law
enforcement, intelligence, and administrative functions. The CRS spans the entire FBI organization, comprising records
of FBI Headquarters, FBI Field Offices, and FBI Legal Attaché Offices (Legats) worldwide; Electronic Surveillance
(ELSUR) records are included in the CRS. Unless specifically requested, a standard search does not include references,
administrative records of previous FOIPA requests, or civil litigation files. For additional information about our record
searches, visit www.fbi.gov/services/information-management/foipa/requesting-fbi-records.

(ii)

FBI Records. Founded in 1908, the FBI carries out a dual law enforcement and national security mission. As part of
this dual mission, the FBI creates and maintains records on various subjects; however, the FBI does not maintain records
on every person, subject, or entity.

(iii)

Requests for Criminal History Records or Rap Sheets. The Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) Division
provides Identity History Summary Checks – often referred to as a criminal history record or rap sheet. These criminal
history records are not the same as material in an investigative “FBI file.” An Identity History Summary Check is a
listing of information taken from fingerprint cards and documents submitted to the FBI in connection with arrests,
federal employment, naturalization, or military service. For a fee, individuals can request a copy of their Identity
History Summary Check. Forms and directions can be accessed at www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/identity-historysummary-checks. Additionally, requests can be submitted electronically at www.edo.cjis.gov. For additional
information, please contact CJIS directly at (304) 625-5590.

(iv)

National Name Check Program (NNCP). The mission of NNCP is to analyze and report information in response to
name check requests received from federal agencies, for the purpose of protecting the United States from foreign and
domestic threats to national security. Please be advised that this is a service provided to other federal agencies. Private
Citizens cannot request a name check.

 EXPLANATION OF EXEMPTIONS
SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552
(b)(1)

(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign
policy and (B) are in fact properly classified to such Executive order;

(b)(2)

related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency;

(b)(3)

specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than section 552b of this title), provided that such statute (A) requires that the
matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for withholding
or refers to particular types of matters to be withheld;

(b)(4)

trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential;

(b)(5)

inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with
the agency;

(b)(6)

personnel and medical files and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

(b)(7)

records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records
or information ( A ) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings, ( B ) would deprive a person of a right to a
fair trial or an impartial adjudication, ( C ) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, ( D )
could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority or any
private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of record or information compiled by a criminal law
enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence
investigation, information furnished by a confidential source, ( E ) would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement
investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could
reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or ( F ) could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any
individual;

(b)(8)

contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of an agency responsible for
the regulation or supervision of financial institutions; or

(b)(9)

geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells.
SUBSECTIONS OF TITLE 5, UNITED STATES CODE, SECTION 552a

(d)(5)

information compiled in reasonable anticipation of a civil action proceeding;

(j)(2)

material reporting investigative efforts pertaining to the enforcement of criminal law including efforts to prevent, control, or reduce crime
or apprehend criminals;

(k)(1)

information which is currently and properly classified pursuant to an Executive order in the interest of the national defense or foreign
policy, for example, information involving intelligence sources or methods;

(k)(2)

investigatory material compiled for law enforcement purposes, other than criminal, which did not result in loss of a right, benefit or
privilege under Federal programs, or which would identify a source who furnished information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity
would be held in confidence;

(k)(3)

material maintained in connection with providing protective services to the President of the United States or any other individual pursuant
to the authority of Title 18, United States Code, Section 3056;

(k)(4)

required by statute to be maintained and used solely as statistical records;

(k)(5)

investigatory material compiled solely for the purpose of determining suitability, eligibility, or qualifications for Federal civilian
employment or for access to classified information, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person who furnished
information pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence;

(k)(6)

testing or examination material used to determine individual qualifications for appointment or promotion in Federal Government service
the release of which would compromise the testing or examination process;

(k)(7)

material used to determine potential for promotion in the armed services, the disclosure of which would reveal the identity of the person
who furnished the material pursuant to a promise that his/her identity would be held in confidence.
FBI/DOJ

 FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
FOI/PA
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Civil Action No.: 19-cv-1278 / 19-cv-1626
FOIA: 1432673-000 / 1433273-000
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FBI(19cv1278) 3085
FBI(19cv1278) 3086
FBI(19cv1278) 3087

Reason for Withholding
(i.e., exemptions with coded rationale,
duplicate, sealed by order of court, etc.)
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b7A; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b1; b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E

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Reference
FBI(19cv1278) 3088
FBI(19cv1278) 3089
FBI(19cv1278) 3721
FBI(19cv1278) 3722
FBI(19cv1278) 3898
FBI(19cv1278) 3899
FBI(19cv1278) 3900
FBI(19cv1278) 3901
FBI(19cv1278) 3902
FBI(19cv1278) 3903
FBI(19cv1278) 3904
FBI(19cv1278) 3905
FBI(19cv1278) 3906
FBI(19cv1278) 3907
FBI(19cv1278) 3908
FBI(19cv1278) 3909
FBI(19cv1278) 3910
FBI(19cv1278) 3911
FBI(19cv1278) 3912
FBI(19cv1278) 3913
FBI(19cv1278) 3921
FBI(19cv1278) 3922
FBI(19cv1278) 3923
FBI(19cv1278) 3924
FBI(19cv1278) 3925
FBI(19cv1278) 3926
FBI(19cv1278) 3927
FBI(19cv1278) 3928
FBI(19cv1278) 3929
FBI(19cv1278) 3930
FBI(19cv1278) 3931
FBI(19cv1278) 3932
FBI(19cv1278) 3933
FBI(19cv1278) 3934
FBI(19cv1278) 3935
FBI(19cv1278) 3936
FBI(19cv1278) 3937
FBI(19cv1278) 3938
FBI(19cv1278) 3939
FBI(19cv1278) 3940
FBI(19cv1278) 3941
FBI(19cv1278) 3942
FBI(19cv1278) 3943

Reason for Withholding
(i.e., exemptions with coded rationale,
duplicate, sealed by order of court, etc.)
b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b1; b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b1; b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b1; b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b7A; b7E
b7A; b7E
b7A; b7E
b7A; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b7A; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b7A; b7E
b7A; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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FBI(19cv1278) 3948
FBI(19cv1278) 3949
FBI(19cv1278) 3950
FBI(19cv1278) 3951
FBI(19cv1278) 3952
FBI(19cv1278) 3953
FBI(19cv1278) 3954
FBI(19cv1278) 3955
FBI(19cv1278) 3956
FBI(19cv1278) 3957
FBI(19cv1278) 3958
FBI(19cv1278) 3959
FBI(19cv1278) 3960
FBI(19cv1278) 3961
FBI(19cv1278) 3962
FBI(19cv1278) 3963
FBI(19cv1278) 3964
FBI(19cv1278) 3965
FBI(19cv1278) 3966
FBI(19cv1278) 3967
FBI(19cv1278) 3968
FBI(19cv1278) 3969
FBI(19cv1278) 3970
FBI(19cv1278) 3971
FBI(19cv1278) 3972
FBI(19cv1278) 3973
FBI(19cv1278) 3974
FBI(19cv1278) 3975
FBI(19cv1278) 3976
FBI(19cv1278) 3977
FBI(19cv1278) 3978
FBI(19cv1278) 3979
FBI(19cv1278) 3980
FBI(19cv1278) 3981
FBI(19cv1278) 3982
FBI(19cv1278) 3983
FBI(19cv1278) 3984
FBI(19cv1278) 3985

Reason for Withholding
(i.e., exemptions with coded rationale,
duplicate, sealed by order of court, etc.)
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b7A; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b7A; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3 per DIA; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E

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FBI(19cv1278) 3987
FBI(19cv1278) 3988
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FBI(19cv1278) 3990
FBI(19cv1278) 3991
FBI(19cv1278) 3992
FBI(19cv1278) 3993
FBI(19cv1278) 3994
FBI(19cv1278) 3995
FBI(19cv1278) 3996
FBI(19cv1278) 4012
FBI(19cv1278) 4013
FBI(19cv1278) 4014
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b7E
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b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI, DIA and USSS; b7A; b7C per FBI and USSS;
b7E
b6 per FBI and NSD; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C per FBI and NSD;
b7E
b4; b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
b4; b6 per FBI and NSD; b7A; b7C per FBI and NSD; b7E
b4; b6 per FBI and NSD; b7A; b7C per FBI and NSD; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3 per DIA; b6 per FBI and DIA; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3; b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3; b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b4; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b3; b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b5 per DOJ/OIP; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
b6; b7A per FBI and NSD; b7C; b7E
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b3 per DIA; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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b3; b6; b7A; b7C; b7E
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Date of entry

Paul J. Manafort, date of was interviewed at the
Office of the Special Counsel in Washington, D.C. The interviewers were

FBI Special Agentsl 

FBI Intelligence and Assistant Special Counsels
(ASC) Greg Andres, Andrew Weissmann and Andrew Goldstein. Present
representing Manafort were attorney Thomas Zehnle and 
After being advised of the identities of the interviewers and the
nature of the interview, Manafort provided the following information:

 

Manafort believed that the news articles about him all originated from
one source of information. Manafort askedl
to explain how news articles could appear to come from several

and look unconnected, but really trace back to a single

source. They created a document to Manafort during their
in?person meeting in the U.S. not want to send the document
electronically. Manafort does not know why did not want to send

it. The document was an example of how such an operation could be run,

not how the one against Manafort was run.

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Manafort sent the hard copy document to his attorney I
so be aware of background and
access. recommended an international accounting firm to
research issues related to Manafort's bank accounts in Cyprus.
worked with the international accounting firm on the Cyprus bank account
project. When Manafort switched attorneys, Kevin Downing took over
managing the project.

 

Manafort reviewed messages between Manafort andl Iwrote on

07/18/2018 that he was "going to discuss with my US colleagues." I

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not tell Manafort their names.

On 02/02/2018, Manafort it possible to do a
superficial check on someone for me. I would need bt Tuesday." Manafort

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that he had with the FBI. Manafort does not recall do a b7c

background check on anyone.

On 02/02/2018, Manafort am getting solid support from
my former team." "My former team" referred to people in the Trump b6
Administration. Manafort did not talk directly with anyone in the b7A
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informed." Manafort was opining to that Talal should keep Kushner b7c

 

 

 

 

informed because Kushner, not Rex Tillerson or the U.N., was the best way

to get a message to President Donald Trump.

On 03/04/2018, Manafort is still pushing and playing
with Mueller." Manafort does not recall any connection between Qatar and
Mueller. Manafort does not recall why he wrote the message. Manafort was b6
simply associating the UAE's enemy with Manafort's enemy. It was a self? b7C
serving statement, Manafort had no facts to support the connection. After
his second indictment, Manafort wanted reassurance that he could
still work for the UAE.

Manafort had no communication with anyone in the Administration while
they were in the Administration. Manafort never asked anyone to try to
communicate a message to anyone in the Administration. Manafort spoke
with Priebus after he left the Administration. Manafort communicated with
Larry Kudlow before Kudlow joined the Administration.

Manafort has traveled once to Cyprus. Manafort traveled to Cyprus
because the oligarchs wanted to send his payments to bank accounts in
Cyprus rather than wiring money directly to the U.S. Manafort met with

Oleg Deripaska introduced Manafort 

elped Manafort set up bank accounts and shelf companies in

 

 

Cyprus. Manafort distinguishes between the shelf companies that accepted b6

payments for Manafort's Ukrainian political work and the shelf companies 

that were used as Special Purpose Vehicles (SPV) to purchase cable

 

companies. Manafort may also have spoken with 
presidential campaign. Manafort believes that set up bank accounts
in Cyprus for Deripaska. Deripaska definitely had a presence in Cyprus,

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which may have been bank accounts or businesses, Manafort does not
know. Manafort does not know if Rinat Akhmetov has Cyprus bank accounts
or who he would have used to set up the accounts.

Manafort reviewed two documents, one showing he owned 100% of DMP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

International and one showing that he owned 50% andl Iowned

50%. Manafort does not know any reason for the difference. Manafort

believes that the 100% document was created first. lmay have b6
suggested the change for tax purposes. Manafort has no information on b7C
or why the document was changed. Manafort does not recall any

conversation about the change. Rick Gates may have givenl

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Trump did not like a policy speech drafted by Dimitri Simes. Manafort
and Kushner agreed that Simes could not save the speech and Stephen Miller
would re?write it. After Trump rejected the speech, Simes was not
involved in anything else for the campaign.

Manafort reviewed a 08/10/2016 e?mail from Simes forwarded from Kushner
to Manafort and others regarding "Russia Policy Memo." Manafort recalls
the e?mail but no follow?up. Simes was not the type of person that Trump
embraced. Simes and Trump did not interact well when Trump practiced
Simes's draft speech. Kushner wrote in the e?mail that it was a
"suggestion only," meaning he was not pushing the policy memo. Kushner
would have suggested a meeting if he was pushing it.

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Manafort reviewed a 08/10/2016 and 08/11/2016 e?mail chain from
Manafort to Simes wherein Manafort first wrote "Dimitri Lets chat" and
ended with an e?mail to Manafort's assistant "Pls call Jarred's assistant
to get the time and location of my meeting on August 17 with Jared and
Dimitri Simes." The meeting never happened. Manafort does not recall why
he responded to Simes "lets chat." Manafort probably talked with Kushner
that day. Manafort guesses that Kushner must have wanted the
meeting. Manafort would not have responded to Simes based on Kushner's
"suggestion only." In order of likelihood, Kushner may have wanted the
meeting because Henry Kissinger recommended it, because of Simes's
information on the Clintons and Russia or because someone liked the policy
information in the memo. Simes worked for a think tank that believed the
U.S. needed to be firm but also to work with Russia. Simes's ideas were
very specific, Trump did not like that sort of detail to box him into a
position. Trump and Manafort agreed to focus foreign policy on Iran,
North Korea and the U.S. Allies's lack of payments to NATO and the U.

N. These policies were easy, Russia and China were more difficult. Simes

would have gained Trump's attention with the Clinton information, which

was red meat, not the nuances of foreign policy. Manafort and Kushner

were both very busy at this time. Manafort was dealing with b6
Manafort's issues in the news and preparing the campaign strategy b7C

in case he left. Kushner was dealing with social media, scheduling for

Trump and Trump's debate practice.

Collusion between Russia and Trump was not really a campaign
issue. Robby Mook's charges of collusion were not taken seriously within
the Trump Campaign because they were wrong. The Campaign's only response
was to release Manafort.

From the time he left the Campaign until the election, Manafort met
once or twice with Kushner and spoke five or six times with him on the
telephone. They both reached out to each other. Trump and the Family
knew that Manafort and Kushner were talking. Kushner thought it would be
good for Manafort to call Trump. Manafort and Trump talked a few times
before the election. As to the substance of their calls, Manafort only
recalls that once he gave Trump advice on Trump's performance in the
second debate and gave Trump ideas for the third debate.

On November 5, 2016, Manafort e?mailed a "Securing the Victory"
document to Kushner. Kushner acknowledged getting the document. Manafort
does not recall discussing it with Kushner. Manafort described Trump as
vulnerable to attack because people would not understand how Trump won and
would be looking for reasons. Manafort had no information that Russia
hacked voting machines. Manafort presumed it would be a claim by

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Clinton's Campaign. Manafort sent the memo to Hannity because he wanted
Hannity to pass the message on television and through the media. Manafort
did not expect Hannity to talk with Trump about it. Manafort sent the
memo to Trump's executive assistant.

On the day that the Steele dossier came out, Manafort told Trump that
the information in the dossier about Manafort was not true, including the
payments in the cash ledger. Trump told Manafort that the information
about Michael Cohen in Prague and Trump in Moscow was similarly not
true. Trump was generally upset that his victory was being
undermined. Manafort had first called Priebus to say that the information
was false. Priebus arranged a time for Manafort to call and speak with
Trump. Manafort did not tell Trump about any of the Steele dossier b6

 

research byI I b7C

 

Manafort does not know why Yanukovych fled to Russia instead of
somewhere in Europe. Manafort believes that after Yanukovych did not sign
the Vilnius Agreement that the West aligned against him. Putin had
pressured Yanukovych not to sign the Agreement. Yanukovych fled to Russia
because he felt Putin owed him. Yanukovych did not sign the Agreement
because of the economic pressure that Putin placed on him. Manafort and
Serhiy Lyovochkin expected Yanukovych to stand up to Putin. Kilimnik
believed that Georgian mercenaries, hired by the West, committed the
violence in Maidan because Yanukovych did not sign the Association
Agreement. Kilimnik sent Manafort several documentaries on the issue.

Manafort asked Kilimnik to research evidence related to the claims
against Manafort in the Steele dossier. Manafort was more concerned with
how the information in the Steele dossier was collected than its substance.

with Kilimnik at the International Republican
Institute (IRI). I Ibrought Kilimnik to Davis Manafort. Kilimnik
started as a translator and someone with local knowledge. Kilimnik rose
to manager. Kilimnik lived in Russia when Ukraine split from the Soviet
Union. Kilimnik declared himself Russian instead of Ukrainian. Kilimnik
understood Americans, had language skills and was smart, outgoing and b7C
witty. Manafort and Kilimnik worked long hours and often went to dinner

together. Manafort sometimes went to Kilimnik's house for

 

dinner. Manafort knew Kilimnik'sl I Kilimnik was

 

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forth. After Kilimnik was indicted, Kilimnik told Manafort 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kilimnik did not believe that he was suborning perjury when he

 

 

contacted In Kilimnik's mind, he was only b5
communicating information. Kilimnik did not feel that he exerted any b7C
pressure. Kilimnik believed that the Hapsburg Group was a European

project. To Kilimnik, Europe was the fulcrum of the project. Kilimnik

did not work on the Hapsburg Group's project in the U.S. Kilimnik did not
understand why the Hapsburg Group violated the Foreign Agents Registration
Act (FARA). Manafort does not recall talking about FARA with Kilimnik
while they performed the work.

Manafort talked with Kilimnik after Kilimnik was indicted. Kilimnik
thought it was crazy that he had been indicted. Manafort agreed that it
was outrageous. Manafort offered to help Kilimnik retain an
attorney. Kilimnik called back a couple of days later and said he was not
going to deal with it.

During a break, Manafort spoke with his attorney.

Manafort conspired with Kilimnik. At the time he pleaded guilty,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manafort understood the elements of the conspiracy. Manafort and Kilimnik
agreed to say something that was not true. Kilimnik knew
that the Hapsburg Group performed work in the U.S.I 
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Manafort first met Trump in 1982 in Trump's office. Black, Manafort,
Stone and Kelly had been hired to represent Trump. Roger Stone was hired

and Manafort came along. They were hired to lobby against FAA approval
for fly over rights at Mar?A?Lago. Their firm knew most of the Reagan
Administration. Stone and another associate handled the account. At
different times, Manafort saw Trump at social and political events in New
York City. Manafort saw Trump at Stone's wedding. They had social, not
business, conversations. Trump requested VIP status at the Republican
conventions worked by Manafort in 1988 and 1996. Manafort is not aware of
any other lobbying efforts by Stone on behalf of Trump. Manafort is not
aware of any lobbying efforts for Trump's casinos. From about 1980 to
1991, Stone counseled Trump on which candidates to meet and financially
support.

In 1981, President Reagan appointed Manafort to the Oversea Private
Investment Corporation's Board of Directors. Manafort resigned sometime
before Reagan left office. It was a part?time job.

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Manafort helped fifty or sixty people get inauguration
tickets. Manafort reviewed a series of e?mails regarding requests of him

 

for inauguration tickets. I land

 

good friend. The other peoole listed in the same e?mail are friends of
I helped with the Vice?Presidential
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recommended the people from Korea and China.

wanted to bring his family. Manafort metl lthrough a

third party in the 19905. business deals to Manafort

 

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periodically, such as a marijuana drink. Manafort never did any of the b7C

deals. a former stock broker that wanted to be a
businessman. Manafort is not aware of any connection 
Trump. Manafort thatl but Manafort does not
have any other information regarding criminal activity by

 

 

 

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participate in the activities at the club. Manafort does not know of any
underage women at the sex clubs. considered Manafort a member of
his club. Manafort has never been a member or participated in a sex club.

 

I Iintroduced Manafort to President Kabila's

 

representatives. Kabila had extended his presidency in Congo by two
terms. Kabila wanted credit from the West if he gave up power. Manafort
met twice in the U.S. with Kabila's representatives. They met around the
time of Manafort's indictment in 2018. the first

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meeting. PreSident Kabila wanted to install a puppet in the PreSidency so

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Manafort refused to help. A local businessman in California connected

the opportunity. In 2018, needed money and talked with
Manafort about different opportunities. and Manafort did not
discuss whether representing Kabila would require filing under FARA.

Some people in the Party of Regions thought Manafort worked for the CIA
and Kilimnik for the KGB. Gates joked with Kilimnik about Kilimnik going
to meet with his KGB handler. Upfront, Manafort told Yanukovych that he
should have Kilimnik checked out so that they would not have to hold back
during their discussions with Kilimnik translating. Manafort and
Yanukovych discussed sensitive issues such as NATO and surveillance along
the Russian border. Serhiy Lyovochkin translated Manafort's suggestion
that Yanukovych have Kilimnik checked out. Yanukovych had Kilimnik b6
checked out in 2010. I Idid not believe Kilimnik was an b7C
intelligence officer. I Isaid that Rinat Akhmetov did not believe it
either. No one at the U.S. Embassy expressed a concern about meeting with

 

Kilimnik. Kilimnik was irate when such allegations came out in the
news. Kilimnik was not in the military branch that moved into the

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KGB. Kilimnik worked in the branch that went into foreign
service. Manafort does not have any information about Kilimnik's military
service. Kilimnik never talked about being in combat. After his military
service, Kilimnik worked as a translator, then at IRI and then for Davis
Manafort.

When he stopped working for the Opposition Bloc, they owed Manafort
about $4 million. They paid Manafort $1.5 or $2.0 million at the end of
2014 or in 2015.

 

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company.

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was represented by his counsel, Stuart Sears. After being advised of the
identities of the interview team, PATTEN provided the following
information:
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and Senior Special Prosecutor (SP) Andrew b7C

Weissmann. Patton was represented by attorney Stuart Sears, Schertler 

Onorato, LLP, and parallegall I Patton was presented with a

proffer agreement which he and his attorney signed and dated. SP

Weissmann explained the proffer agreement to Patton and his attorney, and
they stated they had no questions regarding the agreement. After being
advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent and the nature of the
interview, Patten provided the following information:

Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC)

 

 

 

 

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Patten advised that in 2000, while he worked on the Bush campaign, he
obtained tickets for the PIC and this was his first "orientation" to the
PIC. Patten personally believed that paying for PIC tickets was a waste
of money, but pursued the matter because his client, wanted the
tickets.

Patten contacted his see if he had any contacts be
at the PIC who he could leverage to get tickets. advised that he b7C
did have contacts at the PIC and eventually he was able to procure four
tickets.

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was aware that foreign nationals were prohibited from providing monetary

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contributions to the PIC. Patten was aware of this rule from an email
him from the PIC, which stated that the PIC could not b5
accept contributions from foreign nationals. However, the email stated b7C
that a foreign national could attend the PIC as long as they did not
provide any financial contribution.
Patten stated utilized as the straw purchaser for the
PIC tickets so it would conceal that the tickets were being paid by a
foreign national. Patten's expectation was that would pay Patten back
for the tickets and Patten would then pay back Patten stated
that he understood that disclosing that a foreign was
actually paying for the PIC tickets was illegal and wrong.
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for one drink and one dance, and then they both departed the event. This
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Patten's client, instructed him not to register under FARA and register
under the LDA exemption. Patten advised that he initially examined the
FARA and LDA requirements, and then consulted with an attorney (Patten was
advised by SP Weissmann not to provide any communications he had with his
attorney). After Patten consulted with his FARA attorney, he was
concerned that he had not register under FARA for his E:]work. However,
Patton did not seek FARA legal advice from an attorney regarding his

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OB supporters were generally Russian speakers,

Yanukovych

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successor party to the POR,

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administration, the Party of Regions
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political leaders vying for control.

 

 

 

 

election.

2017.

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was much more divided with four or five

I Patten understood that
and that OB's voter blocks

were mainly in the East and South of the country. During the Viktor

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first project was in 2015 when they worked on the Kiev mayoral
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did not have a written contract for the work they conduct 
I Iprovides[__1with Ukrainian political advice. In 2015, Patten worked on
Imayoral campaign. Patten was paid from an offshore :gc
entity,  [utilized to pay Patten. told
Patten that the money came from him. Patten understood that payments from
an offshore account was considered ?clean money? which was accountable.
Patten had seen other people in Ukraine being paid in cash provided in
brown paper bags. Patten stated that this was not ?clean money.?
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Patten's relationship with Kilimnik dates back to 2001 when Kilimnik
worked for Patten at the International Republican Institute (IRI) in
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IRI, Patten worked for Senator Collins. At IRI, Patten first reported to b7C
and then  Patten was the only expat who worked at
IRI's Russia office. IRI's mission in Russia was to engage with all
political parties in Russia, but Patten focused on the Russian liberal
parties. Kilimnik was the most senior foreign national working at IRI
when Patten arrived. Patten did not know how Kilimnik ended up working
for IRI. While at IRI, Kilimnik sometimes traveled to other IRI offices
in other countries to help train employees. Patten left Russia to work
for IRI in Iraq in 2004. During his time at IRI, Kilimnik and Patten
became a friends.
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introduced Kilimnik to Manafort. Kilimnik worked for Manafort while also
working at IRI which violated IRI's policy. Ultimately,
While working for Manafort,

this is why

Kilimnik was fired from IRI. Kilimnik worked
with the VY. Conversely, IRI supported the Orange
Revolutionl Ifired Kilimnik from IRI.

heard that Kilimnik was fired because of his connections to Russian

"bad guys" i.e.

 

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intelligence.

Patten stated that people joked that Kilimnik was a Russian
intelligence officer. Patten stated that Kilimnik was a translator when he

was in the Russian army for 7 years and then he worked in the Russian

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armament industry selling arms/military equipment. Kilimnik had special
language training in English and Swedish.
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Kilimnik's first trip to the U.S. was in May 2016 and Patten does not
believe Kilimnik stayed at his house. Kilimnik was busy with other
business and Patten did not see him a lot. Patten was shown an email dated
05/07/2016 from Kilimnik to Patten. Patten did not recall where Kilimnik
stayed when he was in D.C. Patten did not recall setting up any meetings
for Kilimnik while he was in D.C. Kilimnik did have a meeting with the

Department of State desk Patten stated it Per DOS and FBI
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possible he (Patten) set up this meeting, or it could have been
After the meeting, Kilimnik told Patten that the people he met
with at were "in outer space," which Patten took to mean that they
were out of touch regarding what was happening in Ukraine. Kilimnik
visited Manafort in NY during this trip, and anafort may have dispatched

 

a private plane to pick up Kilimnik from D.C. :30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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was not sure if the trip to visit Manafort happened during this trip to
the U.S. or the one in late July/early August 2016. Patten recalled that
Kilimnik traveled to New York to visit Manafort during the trip where
Kilimnik stayed at Patten's house. Subsequently, Patten recalled that

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during one of these trips, Kilimnik went to New York to meet Manafort at a
cigar bar. This refreshed Patten's recollection that there were two trips

to New York by Kilimnik in the spring and summer of 2016.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The second trip Kilimnik made to the U.S. was in late July 2016 or
early August 2016. Patten thinks Kilimnik stayed at his house for one
night. The next morning, Kilimnik traveled to New York to meet with
Manafort.

U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI)

 

Patten stated that he intentionally did not provide documents or
testimony to the SSCT regarding the PIC tickets because he did not want to

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incriminate himself. Moreover, he did not want to expose his friend,

 

 

 

SSCI or law enforcement scrutiny.

 

 

 

 

Patten stated he knew he crossed the line and should have registered
for his Patten stated that when he testified to the SSCT
regarding his FARA work, he knew he was in the grey but at the time he did
not want to believe he crossed the line. This is why he told the SSCI that
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now knows that he did violate the PARA statute and what he told the SSCI
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After his SSCI testimony, Patten deleted emails from his account.
Patten stated that he did this because he was having computer issues and
he needed to delete stuff from his computer to fix the problem. Patten
considered the SSCI matter closed because a couple of months had passed
and he had not heard back from anyone from the SSCI. Patten acknowledged
that he never checked back with SSCI to confirm that matter was closed.
Patten stated he knew he was destroying emails and documents that were
responsive to the SSCI letter that he had not produced.
Patten found a hard copy document related to Manafort which he did not
know he had in his possession at the time he provided documents and
testified before the SSCI.
Oleg Deripaska
Patten has never met Deripaska, but he is aware of who he is and that
he was one of the wealthiest oligarchs in the world, as well as Deripaska
had a connection to Kilimnik. Patten was aware that Kilimnik has met with
Deripaska and Deripaska's associates including Victor Boyarkin - who is
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Regarding the SSCI's question related to whether Patten knew who Victor
Boyarkin was, Patten stated that he did not lie to the SSCI because he
didn't realize at the time that the name they asked about was the Victor
who he had previously met online via Skype.

Patten stated that he read a Washington Post article that published an
email exchange between Manafort and Kilimnik regarding
Deripaska. However, Patten and Kilimnik did not discuss this article very
much. Patten stated that when Kilimnik visited Manafort in New York in
2016, during the Trump campaign, and they discussed the money that was
owed to Manafort by the Ukraine.

Viktor Yanukovych (VY)

 

 

Patten referred to VYI land that VY went "North," which
he stated was a reference to Russia. Patten was aware of VY's criminal

 

past and stated that VY betrayed his political mandate to move Ukraine to
the West. Patten also stated that VY had corruption issues. Patten

stated thatI Iwas the ring leader of the 55

had a different viewpoint of VY than Patten. 

 

 

On March 24, 2015, Patten and Kilimnik had a Skype call with
VY. Kilimnik was in Moscow with VY during the Skype call. Patten felt VY
was testing Patten's knowledge of Guinea during the call.

 

Patten metl land he told Patten that he gave money to both
the Democrats/Clinton and the Republicans.

 

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Patten stated that paying journalists/bloggers in the Ukraine to write
an article on your behalf is common. Patten has paid journalists to write
articles not only in Ukraine, but also in Europe and the U.S.
Specifically, Patten paid the following people/entities to write and place
of articles: (1) A Brussels PR firm based in London;

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media st ategy; and (4) A U.S. journalist,  I from
who was paid to write an editorial supporting the
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between setting up meeting with U.S. government officials and engaging in
a full-fledged U.S. campaign where the goal was to change U.S. policy. The
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Patten was introduced to Bannon in July or Au ust 2016 
while Bannon was still the head of a friend of Patten

and Bannon. Subsequently, Bannon offered Patten an opportunity write an op?

ed to be published by Breitbard as well as to appear on a Breitbart radio

show. the interlocutor who arranged a meeting between

Patten and Bannon when Bannon was working at the White House.

 

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comply with the LDA requirements, and the filing was not as onerous as a
FARA filing.

Patten had dinner with Bannon at Bannon?s house approximately during
Easter 2018.

FBI Visits

After the first visit by what Patten believed to be the FBI (because
spoke to these individuals and told Patten that two men in suits
stopped by the house), he deleted more emails. Some of these deleted
emails related to Patten?s work for Cambridge Analytica (CA) in Mexico. CA
told Patten that this engagement was off the books. Patten also
intentionally deleted chats he had on Threema.

 

 

 

During the search warrant executed at Patten?s home,

 

 

 

 

 

Patten told about the SSCI and FBI matters.

 

 

Patten told a former reporter, about the first
visit to his house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Patten spoke to after
contacted Patten and asked to meet. They met at Union Station.

?told Patten that the FBI called him. Patten told : that he

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discussed the issue of who actually paid for the tickets. Patten stated
that he did not believe he ever the true source of the
funds were from a foreign source, or that this issue was one of the legal
issues.
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Kilimnik told Patten that the Russia investigation is ridiculous, and
that they were chasing their tail. Kilimnik often sends Patten press clips
about the Russia investigation.

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Washington, D.C. Present at the interview were SSA land b5
Senior Special Prosecutor (SP) Andrew Weissmann. Patten was represented by b7C
attorney Stuart Sears, Schertler Onorato, LLP, and paralegal

Patten was presented with a proffer agreement which he and his
attorney signed and dated. SP Weissmann explained the proffer agreement to
Patten and his attorney, and they stated they had no questions regarding
the agreement. SP Weissmann advised Patten that it was a federal crime to

 

 

knowingly make any false or fraudulent statement to federal law
enforcement including the FBI and DOJ. Patten advised he

understood. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent
and the nature of the interview, Patten provided the following information:

2007

 

In 2007, Patten was a contractor for Greenberg, Quinlan, and Rosner,
and worked on a campaign in Ukraine for Yushenko. Patten?s job was to
develop adds for the campaign. Patten did not know how the firm was paid
by Yushenko, but there were rumors that one of the Ukrainian oligarchs,
potentially Akhmetov, provided the funding.

 

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During this time period, Manafort was working for the Opposition Block
(OB) in Ukraine and was referred to as the ?old owl? because he was known
for providing big picture advice. Kilimnik ran Manafort?s office, DMP, in
Ukraine and set up Patten to work out of DMP's office. The support staff
at office were made up of local UkrainiansIRick Gates also frequently worked out of DMP's Ukraine office,
and he and Manafort livedl was western
leaning he would inject western leaning comments into his translations,
and also worked on the production of media adds they developed. Manafort
was aware of Patten's work for Kilimnik had his own office and
Manafort?s office had a picture of a trained monkey, which according to
Kilimnik was a reference to VY.
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Ukrainian politics and the East versus the West conflict. The initial
meeting was a breakfast meeting at the Hyatt Kiev. Manafort asked Patten
about his background and spoke highly of Kilimnik referring to him as a
?powerful little dude.? Manafort advised Patten to fight every battle with
Ukrainians. He stated that he is considered one of them (Ukrainian) and
they trust him like he is one of them. Manafort stated his job was to work
on long term campaignsl I
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Patten had dinner with Manafort and Gates.

The results of the election were positive for Manafort and Patten
because the OB doubled its expectations regarding the number of seats they
won in the election. The discussion at dinner was broad and mostly

 

discussed the election results. Patten brought up that someone, Patten
could not remember who, was working for an oligarch. Manafort asked Patten

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Manafort stated he was surprised

Patten knew about FARA. Manafort told Patten that ?you?ve earned your

money kid.? Patten does not recall any discussions about what Patten was

going to work on next. Manafort paid for the dinner.

During this engagement, Patten met or four times and the

meetings were in English. At the first meeting,

they discussed the

 

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meeting was about halfway through the engagement and Patten gave him an

update on his work.

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thought this was a test project.

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Ukraine for this work. 

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accept contributions from foreign nationals. . . Yes. The donor has to b7C
attend.?

Patten initially stated that he only focused on the part of the email
which stated the donor has to attend and not that they were unable to
accept contributions from foreign nationals. At this point in the
interview, Patten?s attorney asked to take a break and spoke in private
with his client. After the break, Patten stated that he was letting the
justifications he came up with in his mind get in the way of the truth.
Patten stated that this was a ?wink and a nod sort of thing? and at the
time he did not think it was a big deal to illegally use foreign money to
pay for PIC tickets. Patten stated he knew foreign nationals could not
donate to the PIC, and that he a straw donor to
hide the fact that the true donor was a foreign national which was illegal.

Patten was shown an email from to Patten 

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there were two components to Patten'a analysis of whether it would be
to register under PARA: Patten would need to make a
significantly more money if he was going to register under and (2)
there was a potential negative to filing under FARA because your opponents
can use it against you. Patten stated that both times he registered under
FARA it resulted in him losing a client and the press wrote negative
articles about Patten?s work.
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but he justified not registering to himself by creating excuses in his
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Dateofentry 08/07/2018

Sam Patten was interviewed at the Office of Special Counsel (SCO) in
Washington, D.C. Present at the interview were SSA land
Senior Special Prosecutor (SP) Andrew Weissmann. Patten was represented by
attorney Stuart Sears, Schertler Onorato, LLP, and paralegal

Patten was presented with a proffer agreement which he and his

attorney signed and dated. SP Weissmann explained the proffer agreement to
Patten and his attorney, and they stated they had no questions regarding
the agreement. SP Weissmann advised Patten that it was a federal crime to
knowingly make any false or fraudulent statement to federal law

enforcement including the FBI and DOJ. Patten advised he

understood. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing Agent

and the nature of the interview, Patten provided the following information:

 

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available to work on a campaign for a Ukrainian candidate. She did not
tell Patten the name of the candidate. Patten advised he was not available

but referred her Patten?s friend who was a political

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Anatoli Samochornov, date of birth (DOB) was interviewed b6
in Manhattan, New York at approximately 3:10pm by Special b7C
Special After being advised of the identity
of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, Samochornov
provided the following information:

(U) Samochornov spoke tol HRAGIF, telephone :gc

numberl Ito discuss invoking the indemnity
clause of Samochornov's contract.  Iagreed to pay for
representation as long as Samochornov was willing to stay within the
confines of the information provided by Natalia Veselnitskaya during her
interview she gave to NBC. Samochornov was taken aback by the response and
was, overall, disappointed with the call. Additionally, he was shocked
openly express such a topic over the phone. It appeared to
Samochornov the foundation (HRAGIF) had taken an "every man for himself"
attitude. As a result, Samochornov did not want to accept money from
HRAGIF and become "beholden to them." He further proclaimed he would not
perjure himself just because they (HRAGIF) were a good client. Finally, he
stated he would represent himself and be as open and transparent as
possible without enough money to retain counsel on his own. Overall,
Samochornov did not believe HRAGIF understood what they were dealing with
and the seriousness of the implications.

(U) HRAGIF owed money to Samochornov for his last month of

interpreting. Further, Samochornov was told he would receive mone

originally earmarked as a bonus the :gc
brought in to navigate settlement of civil case. [Agent note: In

previous discussions and the totality of this discussion it was apparent
Samochornov was referring to the civil case United States of America v.

Prevezon Holdings Ltd, Et al, hereinafter referred to as "civil case."]

The bonus of $1 million USD was the settlement resulted in no

fines levied against HRAGIF. HRAGIF was fined so the $1 million USD was

supposed to be split amongst the rest of the worked

for New York City with former Mayor Giuliani.

(U) Samochornov was hesitant to provide his electronic devices to the
Agents without protections or reassurances from the FBI. His concern

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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stemmed from his non?disclosure agreements signed with both law firms he
worked with during the civil case, and the fact most correspondences had

 

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(U) Prior to Natalia Veselnitskaya's involvement in the civil case, she
knew nothing about the Magnitsky Act. Veselnitskaya was a "commercial
arbitrage lawyer" by trade. Veselnitskaya was the sole source of the
information provided at the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. Samochornov had
heard Veselnitskaya give the same speech numerous times before. She was
"knocking on every door" to get the information out. Samochornov provided
two (2) instances he recalled hearing the speech: the fall of 2015 during
the "filing summar 'ud ement" in court and in June 2016 when she attended
a talk Samochornov believed during the June, 2016 b5
talk, Veselnitskaya provided a 20 page declaration to the U.S. Congress b7C
with the information. Veselnitskaya's information came from three (3)
different sources. First, she pulled information from a criminal case in
Russia. Second, she searched thousands of arbitrage cases that involved
HERMITAGE. Finally, she pulled information provided from the Southern
District of New York's court submission. In order to gain access to the
archived information from previous HERMITAGE litigation in Russia one
would need to formally apply to review the material. Veselnitskaya applied
and reviewed the material. However, Veselnitskaya believed FNU

 

thel Iillegally reviewed and photocopied

 

the material. She was unable to find a record of his application to review
the archives. The information illegally obtained provided
to the Southern District of New York for their court filing.

(U) The morning of the Donald Trump Jr. meeting, prior to meeting Rinat
Akhmetshin and Irakli Kaveladze for lunch, Veselnitskaya requested
Samochornov translate a request via text message on her cellular telephone
to add Akhmetshin to the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. Akhmetshin traveled
frequently but happened to be in New York that day. Samochornov did not
know who the recipient of message was nor did he see existing
communication in the text string. Samochornov believed the recipient was
not Kaveladze because he spoke Russian; however, opined the message could
be to multiple people, including Kaveladze. Veselnitskaya was excited for
the meeting and treated it as a special event. She may have informed Baker



 

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Hostetler, the law firm associated with the civil case at the time,
about the meeting ahead of time.

(U) When Samochornov, Akhmetshin, Kaveladze and Veselnitskaya arrived
at Trump Tower for the meeting, Rob Goldstone met them in the lobby.
Goldstone escorted the four (4) of them up the elevator to the conference
room. Samochornov described Goldstone's as a servant, stating he acted
"sheepish." While waiting to enter the conference room Ivanka Trump walked
by without acknowledging any of them, to include Rob Goldstone. Once all
five (5) of them entered the conference room they exchanged pleasantries
with Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr., without formal
introductions. Trump Jr. passed out his business card. The seating was
organized in a shaped pattern. Trump Jr. sat at the head of the table,
or "the little part of the flanked to his left by Manafort and either
Goldstone or Kaveladze, with 5th Avenue behind them. Akhmetshin sat to
Trump Jr.'s right, around the corner of the table, with Veselnitskaya and
Samochornov to the right of him, in order. Finally, either Kaveladze or
Goldstone sat across form Samochornov with Kushner to their left, with
Central Park behind them.

(U) Once settled, the floor was given to Veselnitskaya who opened,
through Samochornov, with bringing up the Ziff brothers who had $500
million USD that was shielded from tax liability in both Russian and the U.
S. Some of the untaxed money was given as a donation to the Democratic
campaign or Democratic National Committee. Although Veselnitskaya had
given this speech numerous times before Samochornov stated she struggled
to convey her message, describing her as "not very coherent." Samochornov
opined she may have been nervous given the audience. After finishing the
portion of the speech on the "dirt," Manafort was the only Trump Jr.
representative to respond. In a dismissive manner he stated something to
the effect, "people give money to people everywhere," physically shrugging
his shoulders. No follow?up or clarifying questions were asked which, in
conjunction with Manafort's response, surprised and flustered
Veselnitskaya. As a result, Akhmetshin jumped in and went on for the
duration of the meeting discussing the Magnitsky Act and how Veselnitskaya
uncovered the information regarding the Ziff brothers through her research
of the Act and the people involved. Akhmetshin expressed this as an
opportunity to thaw U.S.?Russia relations. At the end of the meeting,
Trump Jr. thanked them for their time and stated if his father won the
election maybe they would revisit the topic at a later date. Samochornov

 

 

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(U) Goldstone, at minimum, escorted Veselnitskaya, Akhmetshin,
Kaveladze and Samochornov to the elevators and possibly as far as the

 

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least you [Veselnitskaya] brought the issue to their attention" and "maybe
you can bring it up with them in the future." They separated from
Goldstone and went to the bar in the Trump Hotel for drinks. Kaveladze
echoed Goldstone's words to Veselnitskaya at the bar before leaving
shortly after arrival. Veselnitskaya, Akhmetshin and Samochornov stayed at
the bar for approximately 30?40 minutes. Samochornov cannot remember any
significant conversation relevant to the meeting after Kaveladze left.
Samochornov believed he returned home and Veselnitskaya returned to her
hotel once they left Trump Hotel.

(U) Samochornov believed Veselnitskaya was not under direction by
anyone. Additionally, since the meeting, no one from the Trump Jr. team
has been in contact with him or Veselnitskaya, to the best of his
knowledge. Further, Veselnitskaya did not remember Kushner was present at
the meeting until she saw him on television in Samochornov's presence and
he brought it up. Samochornov opined if anyone was in continued contact
with the Trump Jr. team it would be Kaveladze based on Samochornov's
perception that Kaveladze arranged the meeting.

(U) Samochornov understood Akhmetshin to be a lobbyist for HRAGIF. He
first met Akhmetshin in the fall 2016 when Akhmetshin came to New York

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the civil case. Samochornov remembers recommending a restaurant for the
four (4) of them, Benoit (ph) on 66th and 1st.

(U) Samochornov did not believe Kaveladze had any affiliation to
HRAGIF. Samochornov first met Kaveladze the day of the meeting with Donald
Trump Jr. It was Samochornov's impression that Kaveladze was the person
who arranged the meeting with Donald Trump Jr. Since the meeting,
Samochornov met Kaveladze approximately 2?3 times. During the subsequent

 

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Samochornov believed Kaveladze now lives somewhere "west."

(U) Samochornov was in Moscow, Russia with three (3) lawyers from Quinn?
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first informed her supervisorl I
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That information was relayed to the Director of the U.S. State Department
office in New who Samochornov knew from his previous
employment as a contractor at the U.S. Department of State, emailed
Samochornov on the same day. The email requested Samochornov's permission
for the U.S. Department of State to release his previous association with
the U.S. Department of State and to identify him as a U.S. citizen.
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 02/26/2018

(U) James Comey, former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 03/16/2018

Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed by

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FBI Special Agent Supervisory Special Agent

and Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present
for Gates were Thomas Green, of Sidley
Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing

parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following
information:

Gates signed and acknowledged understanding the proffer agreement and
was reminded that the interview was voluntary, but if he chose to answer
questions he needed to be truthful in his responses.

FARA

 

Gates' first introduction to the Foreign Agent's Registration Act
(FARA) was in 2007. At that time, Gates and DMP were working in Ukraine
and meeting with the US Ambassador regarding that work. Gates was
tasked with determining whether contact with the US Ambassador in Ukraine
triggered PARA. To this end, Gates spoke with different people while
searching for a PARA attorney.

During this process, Gates was told that if he, or DMP was not
influencing legislation or budget bills, or meeting with a US government
official they did not need to register under FARA. At that time, Gates
did not read the PARA statute and the explanations he was given were
broad. Gates believed he spoke with Iandl
lobbyists who previously worked for Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly.

 

 

 

In 2007, DMP did not register under FARA because it was determined that
FARA was not triggered by the meetings with the US Ambassador.

Gates was shown an email from Gates to Manafort dated April 14, 2007
with the subject line, Registration" in which Gates detailed the
FARA statute and broke down DMP's options under PARA.

Gates stated that he wrote this document at Manafort's
request. Manafort had asked Gates to reach out to a FARA attorney about

 

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the issue relating to contact with the US Ambassador in Ukraine. This
email was Gates' overview of what he had learned. Gates initially stated

that the portion of the email with the FARA statute was cut and pasted
from information provided by an attorney at Akin Gump.

Gates was directed to the portion of the email which indicated he had
not yet met with an attorney at Akin Gump. Gates stated he must have cut
and pasted the information from the internet. Gates believed he obtained
the information from the US Department of Justice (DOJ) FARA website, but
he was not sure.

Gates was asked why he thought FARA was only triggered if he was making
direct contact with a government official when this email clearly showed
that FARA was triggered when one "engages directly or indirectly" in
lobbying or public relations (PR) in the US.

 

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did not review every section and he was not sure he even read every
section which was cut and pasted from the internet.

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collecting or soliciting payment in the US. Gates was asked if his role

 

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In 2007, Manafort asked Gates to research FARA because this was a new
issue for DMP and Manafort wanted to know if the Ambassador contacts
triggered FARA. At this time, the McCain campaign was going on and there
were a number of articles in the newspaper about lobbyists and their
relationship to McCain.

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to Manafort. Gates also spoke with counsel at Akin Gump about the matter
and it was determined that DMP did not need to file FARA.

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Senator at the time.

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looked into it, but he did not because he was not directly
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meeting with the President on Monday of next week. we need to put
together a quarterly report with all of the highlights. I need you guys
to prepare the draft report by COB Friday. The report should include key
progress made, all relevant meetings (State, Robrbacher [sic], etc). we
need to showcase what we have done in the last 3 months. Let's include as
much as possible and then we can edit down."

Gates was asked why he listed the meeting with Rohrabacher as a
"relevant meeting" which needed to be included in a report to Yanukovych
if Ukraine was not discussed. Gates stated he thought Manafort 
tried to talk to Rohrabacher about Ukraine. Rohrabacher held an important
position which was a target of the Engage Ukraine strategy. Gates did not
know if any substantive conversations about Ukraine occurred during the
meeting with Rohrabacher and Manafort, but thought it was possible there

were no such substantive conversations.

 

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used to "circumvent" registering under FARA, Gates understood that this

was a "grey area" in the FARA statute. Gates believed someone said
Manafort was "walking the line" of the FARA statute. Gates did not recall
who said this. Gates understood Manafort was looking for a "loophole", or

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registered under FARA. When Manafort and Rohrabacher met, it was
Manafort's decision. Gates believed if Manafort wanted to register, he
would register and if Manafort did not want to register, he would not
register. It was not Gates' role to enforce FARA on Manafort or DMP.

Gates took Manafort at "face value" when Manafort told Gates Ukraine
had not been discussed in the meeting with Rohrabacher. Gates did not
think it was his job to contradict what Manafort had said.

Gates was asked why the meeting with Rohrabacher was included in the
memorandum to Yanukovych if they did not discuss Ukraine. Gates stated
the memorandum listed any substantive meetings with people in targeted
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film project. Gates was also doing some work on films b7C
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to pitch Donald Trump on becoming campaign manager. Roger Stone and Tom
Barrack were acting as liaisons between Manafort and Trump in an effort to
get Manafort hired by the campaign. Barrack had a good relationship with
Ivanka Trump.

During this time, Gates was paid his normal salary by DMP. Gates also
made some money doing film projects receiving b6
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Gates received the proceeds of an investment in ID Watchdog (IDW) in 2016.

Manafort had few US political relationships at the time and other than
working to help Manafort with his pitch to Trump, Gates was not doing much
for DMP.

In March 2016, Manafort went to Mar a Lago to meet with Trump, Hope
Hicks and Corey Lewandowski. After this meeting, Manafort told Gates
"we're on board". The following week, Manafort and Gates went to New York
to meet with others from the Trump Campaign.

Gates and Manafort talked about what it would mean for Manafort to be
hired by the Trump Campaign. Manafort told Gates it would be "good for
business" and a potential way for DMP to be made whole for work done in
Ukraine for which they were not paid. Manafort thought being hired by the
Trump Campaign would get him back on his feet and help develop future
business.



 

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Gates was shown an email between Gates and Kilimnik dated March 20,
2016 and four letters which were attached to this email. Gates stated he
was the person who drafted the letters on Manafort's behalf. Manafort
reviewed and approved the letters.

Manafort wanted Gates to draft letters announcing he had joined the
Trump Campaign. Manafort thought the letters would help DMP get paid by
OB and possibly help confirm that Deripaska had dropped his lawsuit
against Manafort. Manafort wanted Kilimnik to let Deripaska know he had
been hired by Trump and he needed to make sure there were no lawsuits
against him.

Gates was asked why Manafort could not have employed counsel to find
out if the Deripaska lawsuit had been dropped. Gates stated Manafort
wanted to send Deripaska a personal note and to get a direct answer from
Deripaska. Gates also thought this letter was a bit of "bravado" on
Manafort's part.

Gates was asked if the purpose of the letter to Deripaska was to
determine if the lawsuit had been dropped, why didn't the letter mention
the lawsuit. Gates stated that Manafort did not want to put anything
about the lawsuit in writing. Manafort discussed the idea of getting
Deripaska to drop the lawsuit with Kilimnik verbally.

Gates was shown an email between Manafort and Kilimnik dated April 8,
2016, on which Gates was copied. Gates explained that at Manafort's
direction, he reached out to Kilimnik to find out information on
OB. Manafort wanted to know if there was a future for Manafort in Ukraine
if the work with Trump did not work out.

Gates was asked if he and Manafort ever discussed the optics of
Manafort as Convention Manager making these contacts in an effort to
monetize his position. Gates stated he "surmised" these contacts would be
made known. Gates believed everyone was trying to monetize their position
early on in the campaign. Had Trump not won the nomination, the
opportunity to monetize the position would have passed. That said, Gates
and Manafort never talked about how these contacts would be viewed.

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Manafort and Gates did talk about how to answer questions from
reporters regarding Manafort?s work in Ukraine. Manafort asked Gates to
draft a letter to Trump describing Manafort's work in Ukraine. The
initial version of this letter was drafted shortly after the meeting in
Mar a Lago. There were subsequent iterations of the letter in
anticipation of questions potentially posed by the media.

Gates was shown an email between Gates, Manafort and Kilimnik dated
April 11, 2016 in which Manafort asked if Kilimnik had "shown our friends
the coverage" and how it could be used to "get whole". Manafort made
specific references to Deripaska's operations seeing the coverage on
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position. Gates stated that Deripaska wanted a visa to the US and having
Manafort in a position inside the campaign might be helpful to
Deripaska. Manafort's position could help Deripaska develop a
relationship with Trump, which could have been helpful to Deripaska in
other ways as well. Manafort never told Gates anything specific as to
what he was offering Deripaska.
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asked to whom "Boyko" was a reference.
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aligned with and Lyovochkin. Boyko had assets in the gas industry he
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pretended to be pro?European.

Gates was directed to the May 4, 2016 email which referenced a meeting
between Kilimnik and Manafort. Gates stated that he was not present for



 

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this meeting. Manafort told Gates that Kilimnik was coming to the US for
a meeting. Gates could not recall if he even knew that Manafort and
Kilimnik were meeting. Gates did not think he talked to Manafort about
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Gates believed the message from Yanukovych was delivered to Manafort by
Kilimnik during the meeting in August. Gates did not know if this was
also a topic of discussion in a May meeting. Gates did not talk to
Manafort about this topic prior to the August meeting.

Gates was shown an email thread between Kilimnik and Manafort dated
July 7, 2016 through July 29, 2016.

Gates stated he saw some of these email in the news. Gates did not
talk to Manafort about the emails when they were leaked to the press. In
July 2016, the topic of conversation with Manafort was the Deripaska
lawsuit.

Gates was asked what was meant by the following statements in the

email: "any movement on this issue with our friend?" and "I'm carefully
optimistic on the question of our biggest interest". Gates stated "our
friend" was likely a reference to Deripaska. Gates did not know what the

"question of our biggest interest" meant.

Gates believed referred to Viktor Boyarkin and boss" referred to
Deripaska. Gates did not know why Deripaska would have been reaching out
to Manafort regarding a "time sensitive matter". Gates was reminded that
these emails were written just before the Republican National Convention.

Gates was asked about Manafort's statement, "Tell boss if he needs
private briefing we can accommodate". Gates stated he thought Manafort
was trying to curry favor with Deripaska to make the lawsuit go
away. Gates was asked why Manafort would need to curry favor with
Deripaska to make a dormant lawsuit go away and why such a topic would be
"time sensitive". Gates stated that Manafort and Deripaska's relationship
had been dead a long time and Manafort was probably using his position
within the Trump Campaign to reach out to Deripaska.

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As far as the reference to "Black Caviar", Gates recalled Manafort

telling a story about a party thrown by Akhmetov. Manafort told Gates

that at the party, Akhmetov gave Manafort a very large bowl of black

caviar worth between $20,000 and $30,000. Based on this story, Gates

assumed "Black Caviar" was a reference Akhmetov.
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August 2016, Kilimnik said he had come to deliver Yanukovych's

message. In addition to Yanukovych's presidential run, Kilimnik and

Manafort also discussed the Deripaska lawsuit, the money due to DMP and

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identify the battleground states. Internal data came from Fabrizio Ward
and Kellyanne Conway's polls. Internal polling data was confidential
information. External data came from Gallup, Rasmussen and Real Politics
polls. Digital data came from Parscale's online polls.

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polls was released to Kilimnik. Gates stated that the internal polling
data did not differ from the external polling data very much and it was
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the campaign after Manafort left, but Parscale, Dearborn all

stayed on the campaign.

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strategy after Manafort left. Gates knew Manafort sent strategy memos to
Kushner prior to the election.

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the media campaign to "smear" Manafort. Manafort said Poroshenko had
fabricated the "black ledger" and was supporting Hilary Clinton.

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was aware that Poroshenko had been trying to set up meetings with Trump at
Trump Tower. Manafort said the Ambassador needed to get involved in those
meetings.

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York. From February 7, 2016 through February 9, 2016, Gates was in
Richmond, Virginia except for the day of February 8, 2016, when Gates was
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Gates was involved in the planning and preparation of Donald Trump's
foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel on April 27, 2016. The
Mayflower Hotel speech was the first major policy speech for Trump. The
idea for the speech originated during a conversation between Manafort,
Jared Kushner and Steve Miller about which policy initiatives needed to be
tackled. Kushner and Manafort were tasked with handling foreign policy
decisions for the campaign.

Kushner appointed Gates and Dmitri Simes to be in charge of planning
and logistics for the speech. Specifically, they needed to determine
where, when and who.

Gates first met with Simes in Simes' office in Washington, D.C. a few
weeks before the date of the speech. Gates had not met Simes before
this. Simes was a Trump supporter who ran a think tank called the Nixon
Foundation, or something similar to that.

Initially, the speech was supposed to take place at the National Press
Club. The list of participants was generated partially by a list from
Simes and partially by a list from the Trump Campaign. Manafort, Kushner,
Miller, and Gates all reviewed and had input on the list from the
campaign. Gates believed Kushner invited some people from New York in
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After reviewing the initial list of it was determined that the
National Press Club was too small of a venue. Gates believed the National
Press Club only sat 120 people and the RSVP list showed 110
confirmed. For this reason, the venue changed to the Mayflower Hotel at
the last minute. There were three or four other venues considered before
settling on the Mayflower Hotel. Ultimately, it was decided that the
location needed to be in the same area as the National Press Club. There
were no discussions about using the Trump Hotel as it was not yet open.

Gates may have tried to obtain additional space at the National Press
Club, but beyond that, Gates did not play a role as it related to this
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for us. He and our Comm Dir will then interact with the National Press
Club."

Gates served as the campaign's internal point of contact for the
event. Gates helped Simes organize the event and introduced Simes to the
campaign's Advance Team.

The decision to move the venue from the National Press Club to the
Mayflower Hotel was made by Kushner and Manafort based upon information
Gates relayed from the Advance Team. Gates could have made the decision
on his own, but he did not. Gates ran it by Manafort and Kushner because
this was the first policy speech and it was important to get it right.

The belief was that the original location could not fit the number of
attendees. Also, the initial plan was to offer a lunch and that
definitely would not have been feasible in the National Press Club space.

The list of invitees from Simes was circulated by Gates to Manafort and
Kushner. Additions were made to the list and sent back to Gates. The
issue of who needed to handle foreign attendees arose. It was decided
that Jeff Sessions, Kushner and Rick Dearborn would handle any outreach
and communication with foreign attendees, such as ambassadors.

Gates indicated the goal was to get as many ambassadors as possible to
attend. Simes took the "first pass" at reaching out to

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Gates was not clear which ambassadors were contacted by Simes and which

ambassadors were contacted by Sessions and/or Dearborn.

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Gates was shown an email from Gates dated April 25, 2016 with the
subject line Prep Meeting".

Gates did not specifically recall the meeting referenced in his
email. Gates speculated the meeting was to review the content of the
foreign policy speech. The email was addressed to Corey Lewandowski, Hope
Hicks, Kushner, Miller, Dearborn and Manafort.

Lewandowski had minimal involvement in the content of the speech, but
he was the point of contact for Trump as they always traveled together.

Hicks was the Communications Director who coordinated with the press.

Kushner was involved in the content of the speech. Kushner had input
on the topics on which the speech was focused.

Miller was the speech writer and he drafted the first version of the
speech.

Dearborn was involved in inviting participants to the event.

Gates was responsible for sending the list of invitees around to people
inside the campaign to see if there were any additional requests for
people to attend. Gates primarily coordinated with Manafort, Dearborn and
possibly Kushner to finalize the list of invitees.

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April 27, 2016

Gates began the morning of April 27, 2016 at Trump Tower in New York
with the entire Trump Campaign team. Gates clarified that Dearborn,
Manafort and possibly Kushner were already in D.C. on that day. Gates
flew to D.C. with Trump, Hicks, Lewandowski, and Miller on the campaign
plane.

During the flight, Trump read the speech. Gates initially thought this
may have been the first time Trump read the speech. Gates then recalled
that Manafort and Miller had met with Trump at Trump Tower on either April
25th or April 26th to review the speech. Gates was not present for this
meeting, but he heard about it from Miller. Miller told Gates that Trump
made a number of changes and he needed to work on a new draft to
circulate. Gates would have seen the various iterations of the speech,
but he could not recall exactly what changes had been made.

During the flight, Trump made additional edits and "tweaks" to the
speech.

When they landed in D.C., they went to the Capitol Hill
Club. Manafort, Sessions, Dearborn and the Advance Team were there as
well. Dearborn was introduced to Trump at this time. Kushner may have
been present at the Capitol Hill Club, but Gates was not sure.

Gates did not talk to Sessions about the speech. Gates and Sessions
talked about some Congressional meetings with Senators Mitch McConnell,
Paul Ryan, the National Republican Senate Committee (NRSC) and the
National Republican Congressional Committee During the
Congressional meetings, Gates, Manafort, Dearborn and the Advance Team
were in the hold room.

From the Capitol Hill Club, the motorcade traveled to the Mayflower
Hotel. Gates then recalled that there may have been a luncheon on the
Hill first. Gates went directly to the Mayflower Hotel by himself in an
Uber to view the venue. Gates met up with Dearborn at the Mayflower
Hotel. Gates could not recall if Manafort was there or not. Gates looked
at the storage and reception rooms.

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Originally, the plan was to have a VIP line or reception, but it never
materialized. Due to the long list of VIPs in attendance, it was going to
be too difficult to accommodate a VIP line. The decision was made to
focus on the speech instead.

The layout of the venue was a stage which looked out onto the
ballroom. Adjacent to the ballroom was a room where a standing luncheon
was held. Behind the stage, there was a very small backstage area. There
was not a hold room behind the stage like in most venues. Linking the
backstage and the other rooms was a long hallway.

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left the backstage area and took seats in the first two rows of the
ballroom. Gates watched the speech from the backstage area.

There was a section of seating blocked off for the ambassadors. Gates
did not see any of the ambassadors meet with Trump. Gates did not recall
any meetings between Trump and anyone outside the campaign team prior to
the speech. However, at one point, Gates left the backstage area to check
something. Gates estimated he was gone for 10?15 minutes and when he
returned, Trump was still backstage with only campaign staff.

Typically, Trump would do a "meet and greet" prior to the event, but
that did not happen at the Mayflower Hotel. It was possible there was a
reception after the speech, but Gates did not know for sure.

DOCUMENT 4

Gates was shown an email from Kushner to Gates, Manafort, Lewandowski,
Miller, and Hicks dated April 27, 2016 and further identified by bates
number NOSC00012319. Gates was directed to the portion of the email which
read, "We worked through some curveballs, but by communicating and
adjusting as a team, we made it happen." Gates was asked what Kushner
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Gates thought Kushner was referring to the fact that Trump edited the
speech up until the last minute. Miller was uploading the edited speech
to the teleprompter at the last moment. The speech started a little bit
late, but other than that, there was nothing out of the ordinary with the
venue or media. Gates noted there was a significant number of members of
the media present and the space had to be reorganized to accommodate all
of their cameras.

Simes was backstage prior to the speech along with campaign
staff. Simes was introduced to Trump by Kushner at that time. Sessions
may have been introduced to Simes as well. Gates did not think Simes had
met Trump previously. Gates did not recall any specific reaction by Trump
to meeting Simes.

After the speech, Trump went backstage. Sessions brought a few
Senators and Congressmen backstage to meet Trump. Trump stayed backstage
for approximately 30 minutes prior to the luncheon. During this time,

there were a number of people moving in and out of the backstage area, but
Gates believed they were mostly campaign staff. Gates went into the
ballroom area immediately after the speech to say hello to people before
going backstage. Gates saw Trump come off the stage and head

backstage. After approximately 15?20, when Gates returned backstage,
Trump was still there.

Trump returned to New York after leaving the Mayflower Hotel. Gates
was still at the hotel when Trump left out the side entrance. Gates
explained that he saw Trump walk out the stairs which led to the side
entrance, but he did not actually see Trump leave the hotel. Gates,
Dearborn, Sessions, and Simes stayed backstage for a bit after Trump left
and before returning to the D.C. campaign office.

Gates was asked again if anyone, other than campaign staff, was
backstage, in the hallway, in the luncheon room or anywhere other than the
ballroom prior to the speech. Gates stated that only campaign staff, US
Secret Service, the Advance Team, Sessions and Simes were in these
areas. Gates believed Kushner was in the hallway area prior to the
speech. US Secret Service was controlling access to the backstage areas.

SPEECH CONTENT

Miller wrote the first draft of the speech. Gates believed he received
a copy of the first draft either directly from Miller or from
Kushner. Gates then thought he may not have seen the first draft at all,
but may have only seen the second draft. Gates recalled Manafort telling
him about the first draft and that it needed a lot of work.

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Gates believed he reviewed the second draft and circulated it to
Manafort and Kushner. Gates had to send Miller a few emails in order to
get a copy of the second draft. Gates thought the second draft was
"pretty good". The purpose of the foreign policy speech was to show Trump
as knowledgeable on the topic and the speech did a good job of showing
broad knowledge. Gates edited the second draft for grammar, but not
content. Manafort and Kushner made content edits.

Gates did not know if Manafort ever met with Trump to discuss any edits
to the speech. Gates was only aware of meetings with Trump on either
April 25th or 26th which was discussed earlier and the plane ride to D.C.
on the 27th.

Gates did not believe Simes, or anyone at Simes' think tank had any
input on the content of the speech. However, Simes would have received an
advanced copy of the speech. Simes reached out to Gates multiple times to
get a copy of the speech, but Gates did not send one until shortly before
the day of the speech. Gates wasn't sure what day he first sent Simes a

copy.

Gates recalled Trump wanted a "tougher" speech which portrayed a
"stronger" stance on foreign policy. Virtually everyone on the Trump
Campaign viewed President Obama as weak on foreign policy and viewed
Obama's inaction in this area as damaging to the country. The goal was to
make Trump seem like he was coming in to fix the issues created by Obama's
inaction. There was focus on statistics, such as the number of US deaths
in the Middle East and the economic damage weak foreign policy had caused.

Prior to the Mayflower Hotel speech, Trump's speeches had been "great
on optics, but weak on policy". Trump's policy team was not strong with
only Dearborn and Manafort.

In April 2016, there was virtually no vetting process on the
campaign. Gates did not think Simes or Simes' think tank was investigated
prior to the Mayflower Hotel speech. Simes was a Trump supporter who was
friends with Kushner. Gates did not think any further due diligence was
done on him. After the Mayflower Speech, Simes was not very involved in
the campaign. Gates estimated he spoke with Simes 1?2 times after April
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Gates was also shown an email from Kushner to Gates, Manafort and
Miller dated August 10, 2016 and further identified by bates number
This email contained a forwarded email from Simes and an
attachment titled "Russian Policy".

Gates did not recall the email or Russian Policy talking points from
Simes. Gates did not recall Simes having any substantive involvement in
the campaign after the Mayflower Hotel. Thousands of emails per day were
sent to people on the campaign with ideas about policy and other
topics. This email may have been circulated because it was sent by
Kushner, but Gates did not recall this.

Gates noted that Kushner regularly "flooded" Gates' inbox with
forwarded emails. This was Kushner's way of delegating tasks. It was not
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Hotel event, but Gates was not sure of this.

Gates did not get involved in foreign policy matters and did not recall
being interested in any Russian Policy talking points that may have been
circulated. Trump did not take much interest in foreign policy and did
not have much interest in having meetings about foreign policy either.

Gates was directed to Simes' forwarded email which read,
"Dear Jared,

As we have discussed, attached is my memo on what Mr. Trump may want to
say about Russia. we will call your office tomorrow to try to schedule an
appointment. As I mentioned to you, there is an interesting and in many
respects well?documented story of highly questionable connections between
Bill Clinton, the Clinton Foundation and current Hillary [sic] Clinton
advisors with not just Russian oligarchs, but also with the Russian
government, and earlier, with Soviet Intelligence. Apparently, parts of
the story were even discussed with the CIA and the FBI in the late 19905
and shared with the special prosecutor at the end of the Clinton
presidency."

Gates did not recall discussing these issues with Simes. Similar
information was coming from other avenues, but unrelated to Simes.

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Gates speculated that Simes may have had a meeting at which Gates was
not present. Gates did not recall hearing about any such meeting. Gates
was traveling a lot with Trump around the time of this email.

In August 2016, there was a daily discussion about Clinton's connection
to Russia. Trump's beliefs were that the reporting on this matter was a
"joke", but he knew the media was running with it.

In general, when it came to Russia, Trump's view was "why have an enemy
when you can have a friend?" Kushner and Sessions advised Trump on how to
approach Russia. Gates described Trump's approach to Russia as "softer"
than one would expect. Gates clarified that Trump did not really take it
seriously. Trump did not push back much when claims circulated about
Trump and Russia being "friends".

There was the feeling that Trump could mend the US relationship with
Russia and other foreign countries and people on the campaign may have
taken steps to encourage this. However, Trump was not really interested
in foreign affairs.

There were people on the campaign that took Russia more seriously and
advocated for Trump to take a stronger stance, but Trump had no initiative
when it came to this topic. Sessions and were among those advocating
for a firmer stance on Russia.

Eventually, Sessions "bent" to Rudy Guiliani and Steve Bannon's views
that the relationship with Russia needed to be repaired, but if Russia was
going to "play games" then "screw them". Gates then clarified that Bannon
felt like Russia was a "bully" and Trump needed to deal with them and not
give into their demands. Bannon had "hostile" views on Russia and was
generally and "anti?globalist".

Gates was asked what he meant when he said Sessions' views on Russia
bent. Gates stated that during the debates, Sessions helped formulate
foreign policy talking points with Keith Kellogg, Bannon and
Gates. Over time, Session was less interested in Russia and more
interested in fighting ISIS and immigration issues.

Gates' personal views on Russia were more pragmatic. Gates thought
Trump should build up the US image and avoid addressing any Russia?
specific issues, such as the invasion of Crimea. Gates believed the lack
of US leadership under Obama allowed for Crimea to occur. Gates wanted
Trump to exude an image that he would act in such a situation. Gates was
opposed to sanctions "across the board" because he did not believe they
worked. That said, Gates believed if sanctions were going to be used,

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they had to be "all or nothing", rather than partial like they were under
the Obama Administration. Gates also believed in sending more NATO
troops to the border and building up a larger international presence in
the area to keep Russia in check.

Most people on the National Security Council favored sanctions against
Russia.

Gates was asked how sanctions on Russia or anyone else for the invasion
of Crimea would have impacted those oligarchs who owed Manafort
money. Gates stated that the conflict in Crimea had affected the
Ukrainian oligarchs "very badly". Crimea was Ukraine's resource base and
much of Ukraine's industry was located there. Resources were getting
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Gates was asked why he referred to the topic of sanctions as
"taboo". Gates stated that the National Security Coalition took the
position that Trump needed to deal with Russia and the issue of sanctions
in an effort to repair the US/Russian relationship. As a result, sanctions
became a "key word" on the campaign. The constant question was whether
Trump supported the continuation of sanctions or not. Some advisors
advocated for a less stringent approach and some advocated for a more
stringent approach.

Ultimately, Trump had to revisit the sanctions against Russia because
they were implemented by Obama. Trump's stance was that Obama had screwed
up the relationship with Russia and Trump was going to fix it. In order
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of sanctions. Gates believed the concept of repairing the relationship

with Russia was conveyed. Gates recalled talking points relating to

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working on the campaign. Gates asked Manafort this question and Manafort
said he was going to talk to the campaign attorney about the matter.

Gates was asked if in light of the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with
Russians and the Simes Russian Policy memo, there were discussions among
campaign staff about the Clintons and Russia. Gates stated he did not
recall receiving Simes' email or memo. As for the Trump Tower meeting,
Gates recalled Manafort's reaction to the meeting was "don't put too much
stock in it". Manafort only attended the Trump Tower meeting because he
felt obligated to since Donald Trump Jr. had arranged it and invited
Manafort.

In Gates' opinion, the Clintons were "politically savvy" and "masters"
at covering their tracks and dealing with the media. In contrast, the

Trump Campaign was inexperienced and not politically savvy.

There was an extreme lack of experience on the campaign when Manafort
and Gates first joined. Gates believed this inexperience caused people to
focus on the Clinton/Russia issue. The more experienced people on the
campaign did not focus on this issue.

A lot of information came to the campaign about the Clintons'
connection to Russia, but nothing ever materialized from this
information. Gates stated that "9 times out of 10" there was no proof,
such as documents. Even if there had been documents, they could have been
forged. People didn't understand how Easter Europe worked and how easily
documents could be falsified. People also didn't "consider the source" of
the information. For example, if it was a random person or someone inside
the Clinton Campaign. Ultimately, the Trump Campaign was interested in
any opposition research or intelligence which could be used to sway the
polls.

Gates was asked what he meant when he said, "9 times out of 10" there
was no proof. Gates was asked what the 10th time was. Gates stated that
the DOJ Investigation into the Clinton Foundation was the 10th time.

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Gates saw very little of Sam Clovis during the campaign. Gates thought
he saw Clovis once the Campaign Headquarters.

Clovis was involved in the first round of National Security Coalition
prior to Manafort and Gates coming on board. Clovis was an early
supporter of Trump, but he did not play a substantive role in the campaign.

Clovis did not have an active role in the Mayflower Speech.

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another event which Simes' think tank would sponsor.

Gates was not aware of Henry Kissinger having any input on the
Mayflower Hotel speech. KT McFarland had set up a meeting with Trump and
Kissinger in mid?April 2016 in New York. The purpose of the meeting was
to talk about foreign policy. Gates did not know if the speech was
influenced by this meeting. Gates recalled McFarland saying Trump went
off topic and talked about real estate during the meeting.

Polling Data

As early as March 2016, states were categorized as "must hold",
"battleground" and "potential". States were put into one of these
categories based upon polling data. Manafort was a strong believer in
polls.

It was believed that the best chance for Trump to win traditionally
Democrat states was to focus on those states with a large contingency of
blue?collar Democrats. Historical data along with earlier polling data
was used to whittle the states down. Then Brad Parscale's digital
campaign was used to focus in on those states.

Parscale's digital polling model differed from traditional polling in
that it was more simplistic, cheaper and gave insight into millennial and

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polling product.

Conway's polls targeted specific demographics in certain states and
were issue?specific. Generally, they dealt with issues which were
important to women voters. Conway was able to identify key words which
resonated with female voters and then use these words in speeches.

Cambridge Analytica did a more comprehensive online poll. They claimed
to be able to do polling". Gates did not know if
polling worked.

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not really understand the digital data. The analysis was done by
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data, it was moved up the chain to a larger group including Eric Trump,
Ivanka Trump, Bannon, Kushner, Conway, Priebus, Donald Trump Jr., Sean

Steve Miller, Mark Short among

others.

For the most part, the data drove decisions made on the campaign, but
there was some divergence. For example, polling data showed Trump was
close in Virginia, but those who understood how Virginia worked knew Trump
could not win in Virginia in spite of the data.

Fabrizio's polling questionnaires were traditional and more specific
than the other forms of polling. Fabrizio's polls identified Wisconsin as
a "steal state" early on. Cambridge Analytica and Data Trust were
consistent with this as well. In general, Fabrizio's model was the most
conservative and Cambridge Analytica's was the most aggressive. Data
Trust was more level and had a more historical basis.

In early to mid August, Kushner directed campaign resources to
concentrate on Florida and Trump thought he could win
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was unlikely to win there.

Manafort instructed Gates to send Kilimnik information from Fabrizio's
polls. Gates sent Kilimnik both publically available information and
internal information from Fabrizio?s polls.

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FO-302 (Rev. 5-8-10)

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FBI INFO.
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EDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date ofeutry

07/18/2017

DOCUMENT RESTRICTED TO CASE PARTICIPANTS
This document contains information that is restricted to case participants.

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Richard H. Ledgett, Jr., former Deputy Director of the National FBI
Security Agency (NSA), telephone number
email account (b)(7)(C)
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Field Office. Participating in the interview were Deputy Special Counsel
Aaron M. Zebley and FBI SAs
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interview began, SA
advised Ledgett that lying to the FBI in the
course of an investigation is a violation of federal law. Ledgett said he
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Daedkmq 01/15/2018

 

 

 

 

RINAT AKHMETSHIN, date of birth was interviewed at
the Special Counsel's Office, Washington, D.C. Also present were
AKHMETSHIN's attorneys, Michael Tremonte and Michael Gibaldi of Sher EEC

Tremonte LLP, 90 Broad Street, 23rd Floor, New York, New York 10004,
telephone 212-202?2600; Supervisory Intelligence Analyst

Staff Operations Specialis? IAssistant Special Counsel L.
Rush Atkinson; and Special Agent U.S. Department of
State/Bureau of Diplomatic Security. At the request of Tremonte,
AKHMETSHIN was provided with and signed a proffer letter at the beginning
of the interview. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing
agents and the nature of the interview, AKHMETSHIN voluntarily provided

 

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Dateofentry 05/29/2018
Avrahm ?Avi? Berkowitz was interviewed at the Special Counsel's

Office, located at 395 Street SE, Washington, DC, pursuant to a
proffer agreement. Berkowitz was accompanied by his attorneys

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Liberty Crossing II, McLean, Virginia. Present for this interview was the
Principal Deputy (and Acting) General Counsel Bradley A. Brooker,
office telephone IAlso participating in this interview were
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Dateofentry 01/22/2019

 

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have looked into who received tickets to the events.

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bilateral meetings.

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against 1MDB in the GATES to have it taken care of. GAEES
understood this to be a request for GATES to find out where DOJ was wib7A per 

 

regards to the investigation. GATES understood that wasb7C

 

willing to give up assets, but that he wanted the investigation to be
resolved.

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meeting for with TRUMP in the White House. went to GATES for

advice before the meeting. The meeting occurred sometime around May. KELLY

had attended a portion but had left before the b6

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TRUMP and that TRUMP responded that he would take care of 

if he should bring it up with JEFF SESSIONS and TRUMP responded that he

absolutely should not. TRUMP was willing to help because TRUMP liked

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anything off the ground.

 

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issues. RACHEL BRAND was known to be a supporter of President Trub7C
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 03/15/2018

Richard William Gates previously identified, was interviewed by

 

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for Gates were Thomas Green, Iof Sidley
Austin LLP. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing

 

 

parties and the nature of the interview, Gates provided the following
information:

Gates signed and acknowledged understanding the proffer agreement and
was reminded that the interview was voluntary, but if he chose to answer
questions he needed to be truthful in his responses.

US Consultants Program Background

 

After Viktor Yanukovych won the 2010 Presidential election in Ukraine,
Manafort began presenting the idea of creating a US and European
government relations (GR) and public relations (PR) campaign aimed at
promoting Ukraine's entry into the European Union (EU). Manafort was the
driver behind Ukraine's Association Agreement and Free Trade Agreement
with the EU.

When Yanukovych agreed to Manafort's idea to implement a coordinated GR
strategy, Manafort and Gates began doing research on which firms in
Europe and the US would be used. During this process, Manafort and Gates
learned some members of the Party of Regions had already hired their
own firms to represent individual business interests. For example,,
the Minister of Finance had hired another minister had hired
Edelman; yet another minister had hiredl and the
Minister of Agriculture had hired a different firm.

 

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In response to the disorganization caused by different ministers
having different firms, Yanukovych held a "big meeting". Gates was
not present at this meeting, but Manafort was. Manafort relayed to Gates
that during the meeting, Yanukovych decided to consolidate the 
effort. Yanukovych appointed Sergei Kluyiev to manage the effort with
Manafort. The program was referred to as the "Anti Crisis" program.

 

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Manafort and Gates made a list of various firms in Europe and the US
and came up with a budget for the Anti Crisis program. Project Hapsburg
was included under the umbrella of this program.

The ECFMU

When Manafort and Gates began working with Kluyiev, they learned he had
already created the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECFMU). It was
typical for Ukrainian politicians to set up non?governmental organizations
(NGOs) like the ECEMU to handle lobbying efforts. The reason for this was
to avoid Ukraine's procurement process. Ukraine's procurement process
prohibited the hiring of lobbying firms in general and also limited the
budget for government contracts to $1 million. The get around these
limitations, government officials would use NGOs as the vehicle to hire
lobbying firms, or manage contracts in excess of $1 million. Generally,
the NGOs were established outside of Ukraine. By way of example, Rinat
Akhmetovwhich US Senators were involved.

 

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working for Prime Minister Azarov. In b6

contrast to Kluyiev, Azarov did not believe in aligning Ukraine with b7C
Europe. This caused tension trying to do the bidding
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Manafort and Gates met It was decided 
handle the European based firms while Manafort and Gates handled the US
based firms. Gates a number of consulting firms in b6
Brussels, London and Paris. Kluyiev had strong ideas as it related to the b7C
European firms. Gates at Fleischman Hillard, APCO,
Burson Marsteller and other firms Gates could not recall. Gates believed



 

 

 

 

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York which Manafort looked at, but they already had a contract with
Gazprom and therefore had a conflict of interest.

 

 

 

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the Anti Crisis project. Kluyiev had already set up the ECFMU prior to
Manafort and Gates working with him. The ECFMU had been set up so Kluyiev
could avoid procurement issues. Gates did not know if Yanukovych even
knew what the ECFMU was, or that it existed.

 

Gates learned about Ukraine's procurement process when he started
working on the Skadden Report. Gates was reminded that the client for the
Skadden Report was the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice.

Gates was asked why an NGO was not used for the Skadden Report if the
purpose was to avoid procurement issues. Gates stated that the 
campaigns were going to cost more than the $1 million allowed by the
Ukrainian procurement process and therefore an NGO was used to avoid this



 

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limitation. Gates was reminded that Skadden was paid more than $1 million
for the Skadden Report.

Gates stated that Skadden was paid $1 million directly by the Ministry
of Justice and then paid an additional $4 million through Manafort b6
controlled accounts in Cyprus. Manafort and arranged for the b7C
additional payments through Manafort controlled accounts in Cyprus to

supplement the payments which came directly from the Ministry of Justice.

Gates was asked why an NGO was used for the firms, but not for
Skadden Report if the purpose for using an NGO was to allow for payments
in excess of $1 million. Gates stated that the Ministry of Justice paid
Skadden a "nominal amount", but an oligarch funded the additional $4
million paid to Skadden through Manafort's accounts.

Gates explained that the firms were paid between million
total. For this reason, an NGO was needed to bypass Ukraine's procurement
process. Oligarchs financed the payments to the firms by wiring
money to Manafort controlled accounts in Cyprus. Manafort then wired the
money to the firms. Gates believed some of the funding from the
oligarchs also went to the ECFMU which was responsible for paying the GR
firms in Europe.

 

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the Skadden Report since both avoided the procurement issue by funneling
oligarch money through Manafort's accounts in Cyprus.

Gates stated that the Ministry of Justice needed to be the client for
the Skadden Report. The purpose of the Skadden Report was to make it
appear that the Ukrainian government was hiring Skadden to do an
independent review of the Tymoshenko matter.

 

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Kluyiev was using the ECFMU for the lobbying campaigns in Europe and he
directed Manafort and Gates to use the ECFMU for the
Gates initially said he did not know why Knuyiev wanted

 

 

 

 

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procurement issue and it legitimized the message b7A

 



The ECFMU was originally designed for work in Europe, hence the name
and the mission statement being focused on outreach to Europe. The reason
lobbying shops in the US were hired was because the US had the ability to
leverage their influence on European governments in favor of Ukraine.

The ECFMU was a small organization with 4 staff members:

 

had good contacts b6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

within European parliaments. I Iwas aggressive, but her English was b7c
weak and she had to hire a translator to work with the ECFMU.
spoke German and Ukrainian.

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considerable amount of time together. Gates b7C
"competent", but rough around the edges. not understand the
nuances of politics, but she was tough.

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Manafort decided that they would be paid through Manafort controlled b7C
accounts instead. Gates believed this was because one oligarch paid for
the US lobbying campaign and a different oligarch paid for the European
lobbying campaign.

This became a problem in 2013 and 2014 when the Cypriot banking crisis
occurred and Manafort and Gates had difficulty moving large sums of money
out of the Cypriot accounts.

There were discussions with

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Gates was shown an email from him the time of the email above, Gates already knew that the ECFMU was
being used for the European lobbying firms, but he did not think the
decision to use the ECFMU for the US lobbying firms had been made
yet. Gates believed sometime in, or around March 2012, Manafort and
Kluyiev had a conversation in which it was decided that the ECFMU should
be used for the US lobbying firms as well.
Regardless of whether the client was the ECFMU or the government of
Ukraine, the lobbying firms would be representing the government of
Ukraine. Yanukovych had designated Kluyiev to handle this matter and
Kluyiev wanted to use the ECFMU. With, or without the ECFMU, the lobbying
campaign was for and was authorized specifically by Yanukovych.
Gates was shown an email from b6
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"In a short conversation with Rick Gates this evening I have the following
update:

1. The contracting body will be the newly registered European Centre for

Modern Ukraine. This was recently registered in Brussels. Rick said that
its basis is to be open and transparent as possible.



 

 

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2. It has been established by the ruling Party of the Regions. The actual
money "will come from the Government". Payment will be in advance."

Gates had contact he was interviewing Fleischman b6
Hillard to be one of the European based lobbying firms. b7C
Hillard to handle the entire European campaign as
they had good contacts in the UK parliament and cabinet positions and had

 

 

affiliates in Paris, France.

Ultimately, Burson Marsteller ended up doing a better job on the GR
side and Fleischman Hillard was used primarily to do the digital

 

 

 

 

 

campaign.

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about the ECFMU. Gates toldl Ithe ECFMU had been established by b7c
and that the government of Ukraine was the client. Gates clarified
that the ECFMU was established by Kluyiev and not by Kluyiev
established the ECFMU on behalf of the government of Ukraine and in his
capacity as the First Prime Minister of Ukraine. POR was the ruling party
at the time, but Gates thought it was more accurate to describe the ECFMU
as established by the government of Ukraine as opposed to by 

With respect to how Fleischman Hillard would be paid, Gates believed he
the funds would come from various business interests, :3
but he could not recall for sure. Gates did not think he would have 
provided specific information who was funding the
lobbying campaign. Gates understood that the paymaster oligarchs did not
want to be named.

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stated that per Klu iev, in his capacity as an individual, b7A
financed the ECFMU. I itold Gates funding for the ECFMU did not come 
from or the government of Ukraine. Gates explained that "perception
can be muddled" because Kluyiev was both the First Prime Minster of
Ukraine and a private citizen. Gates believed Kluyiev was working as a
private citizen with regards to the ECFMU.
Gates was a.ked if the
was done for Kluyiev, as a private citizen, or for or b7A

 

 

 

the government of Ukraine. Gates stated that there was "no question" the
government of Ukraine, including Kluyiev and other government officials

 

"weighed in" on how to direct

 

 

 

 

Gates was asked why he and Manafort updated Yanukovych on

 

activities and communicated with Yanukovych on strategy for the lobbying b7A
effort in the US working for Kluyiev as a private

citizen. Gates stated that these updates were to Yanukovych, in his

capacity as President of Ukraine. Furthermore, Yanukovych had designated
Kluyiev to handle the Anti Crisis program on behalf of 

 

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Manafort. On occasion, Gates well. b7C
Gates worked for DMP. DMP worked for Gates' work as it related to
the Anti Crisis program was on behalf of DMP and contract with 
I Iwas minimally involved in the Anti Crisis program in the US.

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Manafort if he was comfortable with the the
Given the fact that the ECFMU was under the direction and control of
the government of Ukraine and/or Gates was asked if he 
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the client was still the government of Ukraine.

While working with the ECFMU, Gates took direction from Manafort who
was relaying instructions from Kluyiev, Lyovochkin and sometimes b6

 

 

 

The instructions were for Gates to implement the "mission" of the b7A
ECFMU. At the time the Gates did not know anyone b7C
within was involved, other than Kluyiev.

 

 

 

 

 

Gates was reminded that he knew Yanukovych had approved the Anti Crisis
program and designated Kluyiev to lead that effort on behalf of the 
and government of Ukraine. Gates stated that he knew Yanukovych had
"green lighted" the Anti Crisis program and put Kluyiev in charge of
it. Gates also understood that DMP was tasked to work with Kluyiev and
the ECFMU to further the Anti Crisis program.

 

Gates was asked again

 

 

 

 

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Crisis program and the ECFMU was only used to avoid procurement issues and
provide legitimacy to the lobbying campaign as being independent from 
and/or the government of Ukraine. Gates was also reminded that he
previously said the lobbying effort was originally going to be for the b6

government of Ukraine directly until it was decided that the ECFMU could 
be used. Finally, Gates was reminded that he ECFMU was
an arm of and/or the government of Ukraine.



 

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Gates stated he knewl
Gates knew Kluyiev reported to Yanukovych. Kluyiev may have had. 
some personal reasons for being involved, but ultimately, Kluyiev was
acting under the direction of Yanukovych.

 

 

Gates was shown email communication between Gates,

 

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Gates stated that in this email the reference to the "client" was the
government of Ukraine and not the ECFMU.

Gates was clear the client was the government of

Ukraine. Gates made references to information provided to Yanukovych and

gave a clear understanding that updates going to

those inside Yanukovych's government like Lyovochkin and Kluyiev. Gates
Manafort's meetings with the "President", or the

"big guy" and made references to instructions coming from "Kiev", b7A
Yanukovych, or Yanukovych's office. Gates did not hide the fact that the
government of Ukraine was the client.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Gates stated "in the end, we got cute". The ECFMU was an NGO based in
Brussels and it was funded by oligarchs. However, the oligarchs financing
the ECFMU were doing so as instructed by Yanukovych and on behalf of the
government of Ukraine. Initially, the ECFMU "checked the boxed" to avoid



 

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A break was taken from approximately 12:10 PM until approximately 1:40
PM. During that break, not in the presence of his counsel and without any
question posed to him, Gates made the following statements to b6
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Gates asked FD 302s were approved. Gates heard
allegations in the media that Andrew McCabe had directed agents to alter
their FD302s. When Gates reviewed the FD302 from his 2014 interview with
the FBI in discovery, he noted inaccuracies. Gates' attorney's notes from
the interview corroborate the fact that the FD302 had inaccuracies. Gates
asked if he was permitted to review the FDBOZs from his interviews. Gates
asked what his recourse was if the information in the FD302s was
inaccurate.
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FD302s were prepared by agents and approved by supervisors before being
finalized in the FBI's database. Witnesses did not review their
FD3025. As to Gates' question about what recourse he had if an FD302 was
inaccurate, if an agent testified to information that Gates deemed
inaccurate, Gates' attorney could cross examine the agent on the
information. In addition, in Gates' defense, he could bring in evidence,
such as attorney notes, or testimony by anyone present during the
interview.
When the interview resumed at around 1:40 PM and Special Counsel
Prosecutors and Gates' counsel were present, the above information was
relayed to Gates' counsel, in Gates' presence. Gates confirmed that the
relayed information was accurate and represented the totality of the
substantive conversation which occurred outside the presence of counsel.
FARA Versus LDA Continued
Gates was asked if the
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In the first meeting sometime in March or April 2012, the
details of the GR and PR work were laid out tol Isaid FARA 
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the ECFMU was not a foreign government or political party, they would not
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connection between the two, but he could not recall for sure. Gates then
stated he "could easily have represented this" 
Gates characterized the misrepresentations and/or omissions regarding
the connection to the government of Ukraine as "being
cute". Gates said the argument could be made that the ECFMU was not
connected to the government of Ukraine. However, Gates knew the ECFMU was
indeed connected to the government of Ukraine. The goal was to make the
ECFMU the direct client for the lobbying campaign and keep the government
of Ukraine out of it. The lobbying campaign needed to appear to be at
arms length from the government for its message to be more credible.
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The main issue was having the message appear legitimate and at
arms length from the government of Ukraine. Central to the ECFMU's
legitimacy was that they appear independent from the government of
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Gates added that disclosure on the FARA filing is more detailed than
disclosure on the Lobbying Disclosure Act (LDA) filing. In addition, to
the other reasons stated, registering under FARA gives your opponents
insight into your firm?s activities.

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as it related to Ukraine and Ukrainian government officials. One of the
reasons the government of Ukraine commissioned the Skadden Report was to
combat the US State Department's view that Ukraine had violated
Tymoshenko's rights and the fear that the State Department was going to
take action against Ukraine, or Ukrainian government officials in response.

Skadden attorneys told Gates they found evidence that Tymoshenko's due
process was violated during her trial. In addition, they found legal
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the statute under which Tymoshenko was charged was not appropriate because
Tymoshenko did not have the authorization to sign the contract in
question. Skadden looked at a series of other government officials in
Europe who had done similar acts to Tymoshenko, but had not been
prosecuted. Ultimately, the Skadden Report did not go as far as the
government of Ukraine would have wanted in justifying Tymoshenko's
imprisonment. However, the government of Ukraine and Skadden went back
and forth "to massage" how the report was worded.

 

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well, but was focussed on Russia and China. Rohrabacher felt strongly 
that the only way to keep China "in check" was to work with Russia.
did not tell Gates that Ukraine came up during the meeting.

Manafort later told Gates that Ukraine did not come up during the
meeting with Rohrabacher.

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Rohrabacher was to talk about Ukraine. Rohrabacher was named the Chairman
of the Subcommittee on Europe and Eurasia and was an important contact for
the lobbying campaign. However, Manafort said the conversation never
turned to Ukraine. Manafort told Gates that Rohrabacher only talked about
China and Russia.

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January 16, 2013 which included an attached memo from Manafort to
Yanukovych and if further identified by bates number MercGJ2_l6855?
MercGJ2_l6857.

Gates stated that the purpose of the memorandum from Manafort to
Yanukovych was to address the resolutions proposed in US Congress which
condemned Ukraine for the handling of Yulia Tymoshenko's imprisonment.

Gates was directed to the portion of the memorandum which read,

"In addition, we have reached out to Rep. Rohrabacher, Chairman of the
Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia and Emerging Threats, as an added measure
in case H.R. 28 is referred to his subcommittee. we will brief his office
and staff on the resolutions and ensure that they are not considered."

Gates stated that Representative Marcy Kaptur had introduced two
resolutions regarding Ukraine. Kaptur was the Co?Chairman of the

 

 

 

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Most of Congress was against the government of Ukraine. Gates 

a target list of potential allies who could be used to

obtain information on potential resolutions and who would influence other b7A
Congress members' views. Prior to Kaptur's resolution, Senators Durbin
and Inhofe had proposed resolutions which were supported by Senator
McCain. out to allies in the Senate, to include
Mnuchin and Corker to try and stop the Durbin and Inhofe
resolutions. Mnuchin and Durbin ended up getting in a fight over this

matter so Mnuchin backed down.

The strategy shifted from influencing senators directly to influencing
constituents in districts with large Ukrainian?American populations. This
was done in Illinois.

Attempts were made to lobby McCain as well. The feeling was that
McCain would be more open to the conversation after the Skadden Report was
released and he could see there were two sides to the story. Gates did

 

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In the US, the ECFMU was seen as a "front" for or at least 
leaning. There were some who thought the ECFMU was at least a good start.

The PARA Unit

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"Email Retention Policy".

Sometime in or around 2012 or 2013, DMP had been hacked. As a result,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manafort had Gates contact DMP's to igc
implement an email retention policy. Gates downloaded a copy of an email
retention policy from the internet. Gates believed he created this
document in or around April 2014.

In response, put parameters and settings on DMP's server which b6
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deleted every 30 days. If Manafort or Gates wanted to keep the emails,
they could archive them by putting them into a folder. However, if not
moved to another folder, the emails would be permanently deleted from the

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In addition to this policy, which automatically deleted many emails,
Gates had also "purged" ECFMU related emails prior to 2016.
When the FARA Unit requested documentation, Gates provided some
documents and Manafort said he did not have any to provide. Gates b6

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so few documents were provided.

In Gates' search for emails and/or documents relevant to the FARA
Unit's inquiry, he did not "scour" his files and did not reach out for ass1stance in searching or retrieVing emails and/or b7c
documents. Gates only searched on the key word Gates found some
documents as a result of this search. Gates did not look for, or provide,
any documents or emails related to DMP's work for Gates did not
search his laptop for any emails which may have been saved. Gates did not
conduct a search for any key words other than ECFMU.
The email retention policy implemented by Manafort was "not very
adhered to". The original reason for the policy was to clean up DMP's
server.
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A break was taken from approximately 3:20 PM until 3:30 PM.

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After the break, Gates' counsel, Green made the following statements:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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retrieve emails from DMP's server. Gates' counsel, Green,
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policy answered the question as to why there were so few. The retention
policy was misleading and used as an excuse to not provide more documents.

Gates had other responsive documents in his possession and control
which he did not provide. Gates specified that he only had a few emails,
but he had more documents which he did not provide.

Gates knew Manafort was not providing any documents. Manafort said he
could not find any responsive documents. Gates was surprised that
Manafort did not provide any documents, but Manafort was not
technologically advanced. Manafort said he had searched for documents,
but could not find any. Gates did not know if this was true or not.

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DMP FARA Obligation

 

Gates believed if he was not the person directly lobbying, he did not
have an obligation to file FARA. Gates now knows this is not the
case. If Gates or Manafort were directly participating in the lobbying or
public relations campaign in the US, DMP would need to file FARA. Gates
stated he was only an employee of DMP and not responsible for FARA
filings.

Gates' understanding of FARA came from conversations with an attorney
many years ago. However, at the time of this conversation, DMP was only
doing work in Ukraine and there was no need to register under FARA.

 

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because Manafort did not want to engage in lobbying in the US and
therefore have to register under FARA.

In 2006 or 2007, when the issue of FARA originally came up, Manafort
told Gates he did not want to have to disclose contracts with or
payments to DMP pursuant to those contracts. At that time, Manafort had
meetings with the US Ambassador in Ukraine and there was a question as to

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whether that triggered FARA. Ultimately, it was decided that it did

not. Generally, Manafort did not want to register under FARA, but by
2012, Gates believed Manafort's feelings about FARA were not as strong as
they were in 2006 and 2007.

Gates did not seek out any advice from counsel during the 2012?2014
time frame regarding his, or DMP's work with the b7A
Skadden Report, or Project Hapsburg.

Gates was asked why DMP did not file FARA given Manafort's meetings
with Rohrabacher. Gates was reminded he helped set up the meetings
between Manafort and Rohrabacher and was therefore aware of the contact
and the the ensuing need to register under FARA.

Gates stated that Manafort had a 25 year long relationship with
Rohrabacher and therefore the meeting did not trigger a FARA obligation.

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Europe and Eurasia. Rohrabacher was a target I
Gates understood lobbying Rohrabacher would trigger FARA. The
intended purpose of the meeting between Manafort and Rohrabacher was to

 

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There were efforts to get Greg Craig and others at Skadden more
involved in the roll out of the Skadden Report, but they resisted because
Skadden did not want to file FARA.

Craig was supposed to use his contacts to help disseminate the Skadden
Report. Manafort and Craig agreed that Craig would do a "Hill Tour" and
be involved in the press outreach, but Craig backed out of this. Craig
did one interview with a reporter at the New York Times and may have made
l-2 phone calls to Democrats in Congress, but Gates was not sure about the
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Craig told Gates he did not want to be involved in any public
outreach. Craig said his involvement in the PR campaign would make the
Skadden Report seem like it was not an independent review. Craig
recommended b7A

 

Gates could not recall if Skadden's engagement letter specifically
addressed the fact that they would not engage in any GR or PR. Gates did
recall a conversation with Craig in which Craig said he did not want to do
anything which would necessitate a EARA registration. Craig understood
that the New York Times interview he did would trigger FARA. Craig had
someone inside Skadden review this issue.

Craig never told Gates that FARA would only be triggered if Gates was
personally involved in the contact. Gates did not recall having any
conversations with Craig about Gates' personal understanding of FARA.

Gates did not learn that his prior understanding of EARA was inaccurate
until April 2017 while dealing with the FARA Unit.

Think Tanks

Reaching out to think tanks, such as the IRI, Wilson Center and others,
was an important part of the lobbying and public relations campaign. Many
think tanks had experts on Ukrainian affairs. The goal was to establish
relationships with these individuals so when the Ukrainian elections
occurred, they could be called upon to give their opinion on whether the
elections were free and fair. There were many issues getting the think
tanks on board because they tended to view Yanukovych as pro?Russian and
many believed Yanukovych's election was unfair.

The Association Agreement

 

Yanukovych did not sign the Association Agreement with Europe because
the US and EU "dropped the ball". Gates blamed failed policies on the
part of the US government and EU, specifically, Gates identified the US
and EU's failure to provide sufficient financial support to
Ukraine. Gates explained that Ukraine had a $15 billion loan to repay and
the US only offered to pay a small portion of that. The US needed to
contribute more. Ukraine's economy was 45% dependent on Russia and could
not survive a break with Russia without the economic support government was stuck on the issue of Tymoshenko. Senators
McCain and Durbin, along with Ambassador Victoria Nuland did not believe
Ukraine would live up to the reforms necessary. Gates believed this

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influenced the US government's decision to only lend Ukraine a small
portion of the money.
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Tymoshenko. invited Clinton to speak at the Yalta
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Gates explained that Yanukovych was supposed to go the Vilnius Summit
to sign the Association Agreement, however, on Yanukovych's way back from
a trip to China, he stopped in Russia. This stop over occurred two days
before the Vilnius Summit. Russia offered Ukraine money, loans and gas
agreements to try and prevent Yanukovych from signing the Association
Agreement at the Vilnius Summit.

Gates was asked why the ECFMU did not come out against Yanukovych when
he didn't sign the Association Agreement. Gates stated that the ECFMU
wasn't going to criticize "itself".

Gates was asked if the ECFMU's mission was truly to move the Ukraine to
the EU. Gates explained that was split on this issue. Some, like
Kluyiev and Akhmetov, were in favor of the Ukraine aligning with the west
and joining the EU because it benefited their business
interests. However, others were not. Gates noted that toward the end of
his presidency, Yanukovych appointed a number of people from the Dontesk

clan who were not in favor of aligning with the west.
Other

Gates used Manafort's credit card to purchase Manafort's New York
Yankees season tickets. The season tickets were for Manafort and were
purchased at Manafort's direction with Manafort's credit card. Gates knew
the charge led to a delinquency on Manafort's credit card of a couple
hundred thousand dollars.

Gates knew Manafort represented to a bank that the charge and the
ensuing delinquency were a result of Manafort lending his card to Gates so
Gates could purchase the tickets. Gates knew this was false. Gates
signed a letter attesting to this false representation.



 

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Dateofentry 12/19/2017

JEFFREY DUANE GORDON, date of birth (DOB) was interviewed
on September 7, 2017 at the FBI Washington Field Office, 601 4th St NW,

Washington D.C. GORDON's cellular telephone number is 
GORDON was initially advised that providing false statements to
federal officers could constitute a federal crime. After being advised of

the identity of interviewing AgentsI
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GORDON informed the agents that he had just reviewed his transcript for
his testimony before the Senate Intel Committee and reviewed it line by

line to ensure it was correct.

At the beginning of the interview GORDON was asked if he wanted to
update or discuss anything that was discussed in his previous interview.
GORDON stated he did have some things he wanted to 
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previous interview he was asked if the campaign had ever discussed
anything about the DNC email hacking and GORDON did not think they had but
realized that in September 2016 he had been asked to write an article

about Wikileaks which he forwarded wanted to be involved in the

article. GORDON does not recall talking about Wikileaks during his time

 

 

with the campaign.

GORDON also wanted to let investigators know that when he received an
article from DMITRI SIMES about Russia, GORDON told the campaign that the
article understates threats to radical Islam and the Baltics.

Travels to Russia, Ukraine and Hungary

GORDON wanted to let investigators know that he had been to Russia

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Additionally, GORDON disclosed two visits to the Ukraine. In 2009,
GORDON andl Iwent through the Ukraine during a trip where they
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project forl I This trip was probably
self?funded by GORDON with travel expense reimbursement from the think
tank. GORDON wrote an article after the trip indicating that Ukraine
should be armed but GORDON was not necessarily wedded to that idea. GORDON
did not meet with any foreign officials while he was in the Ukraine. The
biggest take away from his research was that corruption was a big issue in
the Ukraine.

GORDON told investigators he never met VICTOR ORBAN, Prime Minister of
Hungary, or exchanged phone calls or other communications with him. GORDON
knows that ORBAN was pushing a project for Hungarians in the Ukraine and
expanding the EU to include the Ukraine after Brexit. GORDON did not

because ORBAN firedl Ibecause she was unable
to get ORBAN a meeting with TRUMP. had asked KT to
help set up a meeting between ORBAN and TRUMP. Iasked GORDON for

help too but GORDON explained that if couldn?t arrange the
meeting, GORDON couldn?t arrange the meeting either. The CZECH president

 

 

 

 

 

 

also fired his people for not being able to arrange a meeting with TRUMP
around the same time.

GORDON was asked about CARTER trip to Budapest. GORDON explained
that he was in Budapest in November and December 2016 and found out that
PAGE had been there in September. GORDON does not think PAGE was there on
behalf of the campaign as he was probably removed from the campaign by
then. GORDON never went there as part of the campaign. The Hungarian Free
Press tried to implicate GORDON by saying GORDON was in Budapest six times

during the campaign. GORDON never traveled to Hungary during the campaign.

Simes, CNI and Foreign Policy Speech

 

GORDON thought he initially heard about the planning for 
foreign policy speech from JEFF SESSIONS in early March. GORDON provided
SESSIONS with vision statement on foreign policy. GORDON
indicated the investigators should have a copy of this in his emails.
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STEPHEN MILLER replaced SAM CLOVIS in January 2016 and was involved in
drafting the speech. SESSIONS gave the vision statement GORDON drafted to
MILLER. The vision statement said nothing about Russia. MICHAEL 
WALID PHARES and SEBASTIAN GORKA also attended the speech. ROSALIND
HELDERMAN of the Washington Post has been asking a lot about the foreign
policy speech.

RICK DEARBORN communicated with SESSIONS and JARED KUSHNER about the
speech. DEARBORN and SIMES talked constantly about the event. DEARBORN and
GORDON agreed the speech should be held at the National Press Club, a left
wing place, but eventually the campaign decided against this location due
to security matters. TRUMP wanted it at his golf club in Sterling,
Virginia but most of the campaign did not think that was a good idea. It
was probably KUSHNER and SIMES who decided on the Mayflower Hotel
location. GORDON heard from DEARBORN the speech would be at the
Mayflower. SIMES was involved in the planning early on when it was still
scheduled to be at the Press Club.

SIMES was one of the organizers of the event. Ambassador KHALIZAD,
former U.S. ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, was also involved in
planning the speech. KHALIZAD introduced TRUMP at the event and was a
representative of the Center for the National Interest (CNI). GORDON
believes KHALIZAD is a fellow for CNI. GORDON met SESSIONS and SIMES in
May or June 2016 after SESSIONS went to a CNI dinner SIMES was at. SIMES
suggested that SESSIONS meet with KHALIZAD to benefit the campaign.

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and GORDON developed the guest list and CNI had final approval on the
guest list. GORDON does not know if CNI paid for the event but thinks they
probably did since the campaign didn't pay for anything. GORDON suggested
talking to MILLER and HOPE HICKS since they are the gatekeepers.

Other than GORDON and DEARBORN, SIMES probably had contact with KUSHNER
and MILLER. GORDON does not know if they maintained contact with SIMES
after the event. PHARES and SIMES may have communicated with each
other. GORDON recalls a German ambassador claiming credit for writing the
foreign policy speech.

GORDON also mentioned that SIMES sent GORDON some emails from a woman
named Last Name Unknown 
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too high up and too busy to interact with him. GORDON quit talking to
SIMES when he left the campaign.

GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS was not at the Mayflower foreign policy speech and
GORDON remembers there was a reporter there that wanted to tear
PAPADOPOULOS apart, likely because he was an easy target due to his lack
of experience. The reporter was LYNN SWEET from a Chicago newspaper.

March 31, 2016 Meeting

 

GORDON told investigators the March 31, 2016 meeting with TRUMP and the
foreign policy team was clear in his mind. GORDON first found
out about the meeting when DEARBORN informed him about it. GORDON was told
TRUMP, SESSIONS and the National Security advisory team would be
there. It was supposed to be one hour but ended up being about two
hours. GORDON found out the day before when DEARBORN called him that it
would be at the Trump Hotel in the Old Post Office location. CLOVIS
contacted the initial 8 members of the advisory team. SESSIONS wanted to
include the other attendees b5
At the meeting, they would each have 5 minutes to give a brief b7C
introduction.

CLOVIS and MILLER were likely taking notes during the meeting and
SESSIONS had an agenda or summary in front of him because GORDON remembers
the summary about him including a misstatement and wondering who would
have written that document. It indicated GORDON had worked with the MCCAIN
campaign instead of the HERMAN CAIN campaign. SESSIONS gave an
introduction and welcome to the group.

In going around the table for introductions, PHARES was the first to
brief. PHARES began his brief saying that original five foreign
policy team members have been viciously attacked since they were
announced. PHARES said these attacks were from Iranian networks. After
these initial remarks PHARES spoke about the threat from Islamic terrorism.

KEITH KELLOGG andl Ifollowed discussing military information. b6
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nuclear threat and the nuclear triad, a topic that TRUMP was very
interested in? was very long which is probably why the
meeting ended up taking two hours instead of the scheduled one hour.
During that portion TRUMP asked why we couldn't be the first to strike
with nuclear weapons. This was put in the context of possibly using
against ISIS. about Veterans Affairs and JAMES CARAFANO
spoke about military readiness. SESSIONS spoke about improving relations

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with Russia due to the threat of Islamic terrorism and Russia?s nuclear
weapons.

Next to brief was GORDON. He held up an article he wrote about NATO to
show the group. GORDON mentioned that NATO members were not paying their
fair share and too much of their budget was focused on Russia when it

should be focused on radical Islam and open borders. TRUMP asked how much
of the U.S. budget was dedicated to NATO GORDON on b6
this point. GORDON thought it had been about a trillion dollars a couple b7C

years earlier when he did the research for his article which was a year or
two old at the it wasn?t that much but didn?t know how
much it was, eventually guessing it to be $900 million. During 
briefing, TRUMP mentioned he did not want a World War over the
Ukraine. GORDON wanted to discuss water boarding as well but SESSIONS cut
him off because they were running behind schedule.

Next was GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, who talked about the fact that he had
Russian contacts through the embassy in London and could arrange a meeting
between PUTIN and TRUMP. TRUMP seemed intrigued and fascinated by this and
asked how that would the Logan Act. Someone b5
mentioned sanctions and how there are probably sanctions preventing a b7c
meeting with PUTIN and his associates. There was also discussion about how
it could look bad for TRUMP to meet with a hostile foreign
government. GORDON was asked if he could be confusing the mention of the
Logan Act with an email sent about March 24, 2016 which
mentioned concerns about the Logan Act over setting up a meeting with
PUTIN. GORDON indicated that email may be where he remembers the Logan Act
from but someone definitely mentioned sanctions in the March 31 meeting.
The table went back and forth for a bit and even though TRUMP seemed to
think it was a good idea, SESSIONS said it was a bad idea and prefer no
one speaks of this again.? GORDON and KELLOGG suggesting
that the meeting was not a good idea. The discussion was probably three
to four minutes long. GORDON described SESSIONS as an honorable guy and
explained that if anyone at the meeting did not remember him shutting the
idea down, they were lying.

GORDON thinks there were probably about three people at the meeting who
thought it was a bad idea. GORDON was confronted by investigators about
how it seemed odd that SESSIONS would shut an idea down that TRUMP
appeared to be supportive of. Investigators also suggested that 
relationship with SESSIONS may create some bias to protect SESSIONS.
GORDON agreed with these statements but said that is how it
happened. SESSIONS said, "This is a really bad idea for all the reasons
brought up right here. I prefer that no one ever speak of this again."

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GORDON was asked if it would seem reasonable for someone at the meeting
to remember SESSIONS reacting differently. GORDON seemed to think that
since this event was a year and a half ago and the meeting had gone way
past when it should have by that point, people may have trouble
recollecting the details. GORDON wanted to know if someone said something
different about what happened at the meeting.

GORDON confirmed that he was probably the second source for a recent
Daily Caller article that indicated two sources at the meeting told
reporters that SESSIONS shot down suggestion to set up a
meeting between TRUMP and PUTIN. The reporter mentioned the first source
to GORDON and asked if that was how it happened. GORDON indicated that was
how it occurred at the meeting. GORDON was asked if he knew who the
original source of the article was. He said he did not know but if he had

 

 

to guess, it was probablyl IPHARES or maybeI I b6
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PAPADOPOULOS continued to talk a little after SESSIONS shut down the
conversation about a Russian meeting. about military
matters about how they should probably not talk to the b3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

public about nuclear issues because people take it the wrong 
I Italked about intelligence matters.
SESSIONS knew I I I I
Several of them went to lunch across the street after the meeting
but GORDON does not recall the name of the restaurant. GORDON,
PAPADOPOULOS, PHARES, land KELLOGG were there. b6
b7C

PAPADOPOULOS mentioned media interview opportunities at the lunch.
Papadopoulos

GORDON met PAPADOPOULOS in 2013 or 2014 at a Greek/Israeli caucus
them to each other. PAPADOPOULOS gave GORDON b5
his business card and GORDON added him to his distribution list for b7C
publications from his think tank. PAPADOPOULOS responded to a column post
GORDON wrote disagreeing about a statement GORDON made. PAPADOPOULOS also
commented at the time that he was working for BEN CARSON's campaign.

GORDON was asked why PAPADOPOULOS continued to try and arrange
meetings with Russia if he had been shot down by SESSIONS. GORDON thought
PAPADOPOULOS was just being young and naive and probably trying to impress
people. GORDON didn't realize PAPADOPOULOS was continuing to try and
arrange the meetings until he saw the recent Washington Post article about

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PAPADOPOULOS. shot down the idea as well with his email thread b6

mentioning the Logan Act and suggesting the team not outrun their b7C

headlights.

GORDON was asked again about a phone call scheduled between GORDON,
PHARES and PAPADOPOULOS in May 2016. GORDON said the phone call did not
happen and CLOVIS sent an email to PAPADOPOULOS and followed up with a
phone call so there was no ambiguity. After the British press reported
that PAPADOPOULOS wanted DAVID CAMERON to apologize to TRUMP, SESSIONS
complained to DEARBORN who complained to GORDON who contacted CLOVIS to be
the heavy and confront PAPADOPOULOS. PAPADOPOULOS was told he would be
gone if he had one more slip up. After that, interview requests had to be
submitted to GORDON. GORDON mentioned that the team was worried about
firing PAPADOPOULOS for fear that PAPADOPOULOS would go to the press
telling them the National Security team was a joke with no power or
authority. GORDON recalls having to tell PAPADOPOULOS not to participate
in interviews PAPADOPOULOS wanted to do.

GORDON only remembers PAPADOPOULOS attending two meetings the one
on March 31, 2016 and then one at the Capitol Hill Club in June or July
part of the campaign briefly and like PAPADOPOULOS had b6
been involved in the BEN CARSON campaign previously. GORDON does not b7C
recall any discussion of a meeting between TRUMP and PUTIN after the March
31, 2016 meeting.

Campaign Details

 

The Alexandria office of the TRUMP campaign was set up in April 2016.
GORDON would frequently schedule meetings for SESSIONS based on contact
with Ior another woman b5
The campaign frequently met at the JONES DAY LAW FIRM office because they b7C
could not meet for campaign activities in office. SESSIONS had
the mindset of a prosecutor and liked meeting in a law firm's office.

 

 

The Alexandria office required badge access and very few people had
that access. There were about 15 people with access including GORDON and
PHARES. trying to meet with them at the office and GORDON told b6
him no but one day GORDON ran Starbucks by the b7C

office. trying tol I on the

team as well. GORDON found out thatl were both registered

as foreign agents 

 

 

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GORDON re?iterated the fact that TRUMP and HOPE HICKS had made false
statements to the media about contacts with Russia. b5
I I She made that initial statement b7C
about the team not having Russian contact and created a media mess.

 

 

 

JOHN MASHBURN handled lots of healthcare research since the campaign
did not have a healthcare representativewas also on b7C
the Presidential Transition Team. I I
I Iand came in on

Mondays. Iand PHARES was the
Foreign Policy Adviser.

GORDON does not recall anyone traveling overseas directly for the

 

 

campaign. TRUMP went to Scotland for the opening of his new golf course
there and happened to be there for the BreXit vote. PAGE went to Russia
for his speech. I I b6
PAPADOPOULOS went to Greece, Israel and Europe. b7c

Phares

PHARES invited MICHAEL to join the Foreign Policy team. 
declined this offer. However, ELYNN had a personal relationship with TRUMP
and then joined the campaign, even to the point of being considered for
Vice President.

PHARES worked at the foreign policy office with GORDON for about two
weeks. One of the main reasons PHARES left after such a short period of
time was because DEARBORN said that he could no longer appear on
television. Since PHARES made appearance this was difficult b5
for him especially since the foreign policy team was not paid by the Trump b7c
campaign. DEARBORN has a sarcastic personality and since PHARES is
this frustrated him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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PHARES developed a list of officials from 10 foreign embassies that
had contacted him and first country was Italy and when b6
PHARES brought this opportunity to the campaign, JARED KUSHNER shut it b7C

down. KUSHNER said that all contacts from other countries had to go
through him. KUSHNER then asked the foreign policy team to develop three

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experts that could brief him regarding each of the ten countries. PHARES b6
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pass and quit in the last week of April 2016.

The ten countries that PHARES wanted to introduce to the Trump
campaign were: Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Germany, France,
Spain, Italy, South Korea, Lebanon, Australia, and Morocco. KUSHNER
actually spoke to officials from Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Spain. There
were no controversial countries such as Russia or China on the list that
PHARES developed.

After leaving the campaign, PHARES was brought back into the

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

campaign as a paid media surrogate. In this role, PHARES was b6
a month plus what he made from Fox news. After about three months, Fox b7C
found out about this dual role and told PHARES he could not work for both
the Trump campaign and Fox news. As Fox news was a long term employment
opportunity, PHARES quit the campaign after three months.
GORDON thinks that PHARES should be the ambassador to Lebanon for
what he did for the Trump campaign. PHARES received nothing despite all
that he did for the campaign. In December 2016, KUSHNER told PHARES that
he could no longer represent TRUMP or the presidential transition. PHARES
has commiserated his frustrations about how he was treated with GORDON.
is a business partner with b5
is a b7C
donor and possibly funded this business venture.
b6
b7C
Ia 2014 Coptic
Christian event at the National Press Club. PHARESJ I and JIM CARAFANO
spoke at this event. There were only 10 people at the event. GORDON
thought it was too much work to set up and not worth the 
paid GORDON and the speakers.
a U.S. Citizen and is also involved with the Coptic b5
b7C

Christians.

TRUMP met with Egyptian President El?Sisi at the United Nations
General Assembly in 2016. PHARES pushed this meeting on TRUMP. Coptic
Christians were also involved with this meeting. Ways to counteract the
Muslim Brotherhood was the focus of the meeting.

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Of the people who worked on the Trump campaign, GORDON is primarily
still in contact with PHARES. PHARES asked GORDON for advice prior to his
testimony at the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence. GORDON told
PHARES that he did not need an attorney. GORDON is still in regular
contact with PHARES.

Communications and Departure

 

GORDON was asked about any notes he had from the campaign and any
devices he utilized for campaign business. GORDON explained he didn't
really have any notes from the campaign. GORDON did a lot of phone calls
and emails but not much in the way of handwritten notes. Most of the
campaign documentation was done via email. GORDON did take notes on
morning calls he had but those were probably thrown out.

GORDON utilized his personal phone and ipad for campaign business and

 

when he tried to add his email address to the phone, his b5
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phone started having issues which eventually broke GORDON's phone. GORDON
joked that maybe it was tapped by the Russians. GORDON got rid of his
tablet right after the campaign because it wore out. It was a Samsung
tablet and GORDON did not utilize a personal laptop. GORDON did not have
any campaign data on his home computer. GORDON did draft the two?page
vision statement he initially provided to SESSIONS on his home computer
but that has been provided by GORDON already. The campaign did not
provide GORDON any phone, tablet or laptop. This is part of the reason we
see someone else's name on the email utilized to send GORDON's summary of
the GOP Platform events as discussed in the previous interview. GORDON

 

probably usedl [laptop to draft that since the

 

office did not have computers.

When he left the campaign in August 2016, GORDON only had his building

access badge to turn in. He turned that in tol I The b5
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office imploded after GORDON quit. The press questioned why everyone left
the office.

GOP Platform/Convention

 

JOHN MASHBURN led meetings regarding the GOP platform and the
Republican National Convention (Convention). GORDON explained that the
Platform committee had 6 different rooms of sub?committees. There were
two Jones Day lawyers, a political advisor and a whip for each of the
rooms. Every GOP presumptive nominee has a chance to shape the platform.
GORDON was placed in the room that was focused on National Security
matters.

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GORDON thought arming Ukraine would come up at the Platform meeting and

 

he mentioned would be an issue. MASHBURN took inputs from a b5
variety of campaign members including GORDON National b7C
Security issues. I Icompiled the input which was

 

collected. GORDON understood TRUMP's policy on arming Ukraine because of
statements he made at the meeting on March 31, 2016 and public statements
he made during the campaign. On March 31, 2016, TRUMP said he did not
want World War over Ukraine.

GORDON reviewed the platform?s national security sections to b6
determine amendments of interest on Sunday night when the amendments were b7c
made available. They identified DIANA DENMAN's Ukrainian amendment as
being of interest and GORDON also identified an amendment regarding
counter-terrorism which he modified to include Sunni Jihadist in related
terrorist groups.

 

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I DENMAN's Ukrainian amendment was the main
one GORDON had an issue with. So he flagged it immediately. GORDON
described DENMAN as Texas delegate who appears to have an

 

unusually strong connection to Ukraine. Approximately 6 or 7 amendments
were flagged for problems. GORDON recalls that one of the other
amendments flagged was one related to support for the Ladies in White in
Cuba.

Since MATT MILLER, the Whip, was the only one who could walk around in
the meeting, GORDON notified MATT MILLER about the amendment indicating
TRUMP didn't want World War over Ukraine. MATT MILLER then notified

the co-chair. GORDON would be nice if DENMAN b5

would withdraw her amendment or otherwise table it for later. GORDON saw b7C
speak to DENMAN and observed her head shaking a negative
response, which GORDON took to mean she would not withdraw her
amendment. GORDON then called DEARBORN and MASHBURN who were in the
building but in other rooms. GORDON talked to DEARBORN and MASHBURN on the
phone and in person. MASHBURN was concerned about arming Ukraine.

At some point MATT MILLER called DEARBORN which upset DEARBORN who told
MATT MILLER not to call him. MATT MILLER had been getting on 
nerves and DEARBORN showed up when MATT MILLER went to use the
restroom. So DEARBORN was upset MATT MILLER called him.

DENMAN came over to GORDON's table and treated him like a school child
asking him, "Who are you?" and "Who are you talking to?" since GORDON was
on hold trying to speak with DEARBORN and MASHBURN at the time. GORDON

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explained that he was on hold with his policy colleagues. DENMAN asked

him, "What do you have against the free people?" and "How do you know

TRUMP doesn't want to arm Ukraine?" The amendment ended up getting tabled

until the end of day. This conversation with DENMAN while GORDON was

trying to call MASHBURN and DEARBORN was at approximately

8am. Eventually, the amendment was defeated. DEARBORN, MASHBURN b6
were all in the room during the vote. GORDON talked about what b7c
language to use in the amendment but GORDON does not recall who came up

with the language for "appropriate assistance" the one who

decided to use it. GORDON explained that not all GOP members want to arm

Ukraine.

DENMAN spoke with the Washington Post and convinced them to write about
how the Trump campaign guts GOP platform on Ukraine. b6
GORDON about the article. b7C

GORDON explained that the vote occurred at around 3pm and in the room
there was a head table where Republican National Committee (RNC)

 

 

 

 

 

representatives were sitting. In this case,  ILNU b6
were at the head table. GORDON had metl ILNU atl b7C
LNU I One of PAUL RYAN's policy guys was at

 

the table too but GORDON doesn't recall his name. DON MCGAHN was
present. BARRASSO was not involved in the details and neither was PAUL
MANAFORT.

MANAFORT and REINCE PRIEBUS both received an afteraction report of the
meetings from DEARBORN that night. GORDON met MANAFORT twice, once in
April and then again in June, but GORDON never talked to MANAEORT about
the platform. After the committee meetings, DEARBORN told GORDON "good
job" and MANAEORT said it sounds like a "win" but GORDON did not actually
see or talk to MANAEORT there.

GORDON didn't talk to TRUMP about the platform. GORDON remembers
updating SESSIONS about the platform after the Convention but not during
the committee meetings. GORDON did not recall talking to SESSIONS on July
11, 2016. GORDON talked to SESSIONS that week but not about the
platform. They talked about surrogates. A black female surrogate was not
getting enough air time and SESSIONS was concerned about backlash from
that because of perceptions of racism. GORDON was shown emails he sent
on July 11, 2016 in which he indicates that he is about to talk to
SESSIONS and does talk to SESSIONS. GORDON stated that if he talked to
SESSIONS it would have been about the surrogate issue. GORDON noted that
the time on the emails even confirms that he talked to SESSIONS after the
vote, not during the committee meeting. SESSIONS did not advise GORDON on
how to approach the platform about arming Ukraine. GORDON does not recall

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if he talked to the committee meeting days. [Note: Copies b6
of the emails shown to GORDON are attached to this document via b7C

GORDON recalls that no one pushed the change to the platform
amendment. Everyone just knew that's what TRUMP wanted from his
statements during the campaign. GORDON was just doing his job.

On July 31, 2016, both MANAFORT and TRUMP discussed the platform change
during separate interviews. MANAFORT indicated that the campaign had
nothing to do with the platform change regarding Ukraine, which GORDON
says is false. GORDON doesn't know if MANAFORT did not know about the
change, forgot about it or was actually trying to cover up
something. GORDON thinks MANAFORT probably lied because these details
were below his level and he just defaulted to denying it even though he
didn't know if that was correct or not.

In TRUMP's interview, TRUMP was asked about the platform change and
stated that the change didn't come from him. GORDON stated that this was
false because the modifications were made based on TRUMP's stance on
Ukraine. While TRUMP didn't specifically ask anyone to change it, the
platform was modified because of TRUMP's policy. GORDON says he was
thrown under the bus with media because of TRUMP's statement.

SESSIONS, PAGE, PHARES, CARAFANO, and b6
were all in Cleveland for the Convention. PHARES was not involved in the b7C
committee meetings prior to the Convention.

Miscellaneous

GORDON was asked if he talked to anyone about our previous
interview. GORDON said he talked to Washington Post reporter ROSALIND
HELDERMAN like he previously reported in between the meetings. HELDERMAN
said she heard that they were looking into the platform and asked GORDON
if he talked to the Special Counsel. GORDON told HELDERMAN that he wasn't
going to tell her that.

GORDON also told his attorney andl Iabout the interview. GORDON b6
indicated he is still in touch with PHARES andl Ibut did not talk to b7C

them about the interview.

 

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unreliable person who does not pay what is owed. GORDON was asked if

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TRUMP would collude with Russia. GORDON said TRUMP would probably meet
with Russia but was not sure if TRUMP would collude with Russia. GORDON
again stated that if TRUMP and PAPADOPOULOS had been alone together at the
March 31, 2016 meeting, the PUTIN meeting probably would have happened.

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2201 Street N.W., Washington, D.C. 20520,  
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Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Department of State.
After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agents and the
nature of the the following information:

 

currently the Conflicts Advisor in the Office of Caucasus b6 Per DOS
Affairs and Regional Conflicts, DOS. In April 2016, she was serving in the
U.S. Embassy in Moscow, Russia, and was the Control Officer for
Representative DANA ROHRABACHER's bipartisan Congressional Delegation
(CODEL). The CODEL also included Representative FRENCH HILL among others.

b6 Per FBI DOS
On Saturday, April 2, 2016, the CODEL attended a meeting at tfm3b7c Per FBI DOS

Federation Counsel with KONSTANTIN KOSACHEV, Chairman of the Foreign
Relations Committee. The Federation Counsel is the equivalent of the U.S.
Senate. In addition to the CODEL, there was a large U.S. Embassy

 

 

contingent present. After the meeting, was assembling the CODEL
and Embassy personnel in the hallway and noticed that ROHRABACHER and
stafferl were not present. She asked the Federation Counsel

 

minder where they were and was told they were meeting with someone. They
were gone long enough that members of the CODEL began to ask when they
were leaVing- b6 Per FBI DOS

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Later that day, HILL provided a document about the Magnitsky Act to

and asked to speak with the FBI Legal Attache (LEGAT),
given the document to HILL.

set up a meeting with for Sunday, April 3, 2016, at a CODEL public
not willing to discuss the document in a nonsecure
location. He wanted to discuss it in a to be
present at the meeting. However, would not discuss it with him as

did not hold a clearance. to engage with
Russians on this topic, and he should go back to Washington and research
met with HILL. A copy of the Magnitsky Act document HILL
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recognize. Later that day just before a lunch event, approached

and told her there were two Russian attorneys that wanted to

attend lunch with the Ithat he coulc not
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notified the Ambassador that the CODEL invited other individuals
to lunch. The two Russians ultimately did not attend the lunch.

responded that the Russians did not have to sit at the Ambassador's table.

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amount of time. b6 Per FBI DOS

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telephones to use. As they were heading to the air ort to depart from
Moscow, collected all of these his phone

 

 

 

 

and charger and dropped the attached document in the bag with the phones.
The document identifies representatives of the Prosecutor General's office
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do with the Magnitsky Act than anything else. She also thought Per DOS
may have been involved with a film at the NEWSEUM related to the Magnitsky

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EDWARD H. LIEBERMAN, date of birthl

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firm. As Russia began to open in 1988 and 1989,
asked for volunteers to learn the tax system

worked in London,

of the USSR. Many big companies were interested in entering the market.

LIEBERMAN came to manage the practice in Moscow,
expanded to Saint Petersburg and Kazakhstan.
attorneys joined PEPPER HAMILTON in
Some in the firm were opposed to its planned expansion in Russia,

join.

and resigned.

Work in Kazakhstan was difficult,
PEPPER HAMILTON. He practiced on his own,

BROTHERS.

before September 11,

He retired at age

2001,

 

as a partner at that firm.
LIEBERMAN co-founded the ALBRIGHT GROUP. He
served as Of Counsel for about a year and a half. Once he realized that

working in tax law 

He then practiced tax law at a small boutique

which eventually

convinced him to

developing clients for the ALBRIGHT GROUP was similar to developing

clients in the legal world, he left some time in 2003.

Assistant Special Counsel L. Rush

LIEBERMAN voluntarily

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He attended the

a partner in his firm who

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and this convinced LIEBERMAN to leave
and then joined COUDERT
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Since leaving the ALBRIGHT GROUP, LIEBERMAN has been making investments
and practicing law on his own. Most of his projects involve Russia or
central Asia. He does not speak or read Russian but knows a few phrases to
prevent Russians from talking about him in front of him.

LIEBERMAN worked with AKEZHAN KAZHEGELDIN, the former prime minister of
Kazakhstan. KAZHEGELDIN was prime minister from 1993 to 1997, and hoped to
run again in 1999. KAZHEGELDIN left office in 1997 for an unsuccessful bid
for President against NURSULTAN NAZARBAYEV. KAZHEGELDIN worked during the
government?s rivatization, a policy which many Kazakhs opposed including
KAZHEGELDIN fled to Switzerland after being exiled. He b6
wanted LIEBERMAN to set up a US?based foundation to spread news of b7C
Kazakhstan as there was no free press there. He believed that such a
foundation would allow news to bleed into the country.

LIEBERMAN set up the EURASIAN INSTITUTE FOR ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL
RESEARCH (the INSTITUTE) and needed someone to run it. LIEBERMAN placed an
advertisement in the washington Post for a director of the institute. Two

candidates applied for the position. One candidate was very qualified but
overly academic. The other was RINAT AKHMETSHIN who had no 

 

AKHMETSHIN was however ?charming? and could hold his

 

liquor with Russians and central Asians. LIEBERMAN hired AKHMETSHIN and

 

 

has been IAKHMETSHIN learned how to handle the

media. He worked in public relations (PR) despite his lack of background

in the topic. LIEBERMAN does not believe the INSTITUTE is still active. b6
AKHMETSHIN was trying to sell PR projects. AKHMETSHIN worked with MC

prosecutors from the government of to find the assets of a
former prime minister who fled. The project was complicated
because the United States had a militarv base in the country. Attorney

 

 

 

also worked on the case. is another associate of

 

 

 

 

 

AKHMETSHIN.

 

AKHMETSHIN served for years in the Soviet army as a conscript.

 

 

 

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LIEBERMAN told AKHMETSHIN to stop exaggerating as it would
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father was in the KGB. His father died young and AKHMETSHIN

 

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following his departure from COUDERT BROTHERS. He could not be involved in b7C
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AKHMETSHIN knew and worked for ANDREY VAVILOV, the former deputy
finance minister of Russia. VAVILOV became wealthy by acquiring a Siberian
oil company. VAVILOV had a legal dispute over a hotel he hoped to acquire
in Moscow. AKHMETSHIN convinced VAVILOV that he could assist him in the
fight. AKHMETSHIN handled image in the US as VAVILOV hoped to
start his own hedge fund. AKHMETSHIN got him very positive media coverage
in the New York Times. LIEBERMAN explained how VAVILOV bou ht the most
expensive apartment in New York City. He agreed to the
apartment, including a down payment. However, the Israeli
developer could not deliver on the promised floor?to?ceiling windows on b6
the apartment, so VAVILOV decided to sue. LIEBERMAN recommended VAVILOV b7C
accept a two bedroom apartment for his down payment, but
VAVILOV wanted to sue anyway. Ultimately, VAVILOV got a two bedroom
apartment for plus in legal fees.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LIEBERMAN was involved in the Prevezon case for about a year and a half
as a tax lawyer. His job was to determine if the Russian case against BILL
BROWDER was just or not. LIEBERMAN concluded that the Russian government?s
claim was sound. If BROWDER had paid his taxes in Russia, SERGEI MAGNITSKY
would not have ended up in jail. LIEBERMAN worked with AKHMETSHIN,
VESELNITSKAYA, and CYMROT on the case. LIEBERMAN did not know how
AKHMETSHIN became involved in the Prevezon case.

VESELNITSKAYA had contact with FUSION GPS and GLENN SIMPSON during the
Prevezon case. LIEBERMAN believes VESELNITSKAYA got her information about
ZIFF BROTHERS from SIMPSON. LIEBERMAN did not see those connections while
he was working on the Prevezon case.

Through his work on the Prevezon case, LIEBERMAN met DENIS KATSYV
several times. He also met PYOTR KATSYV once in Moscow.

LIEBERMAN asserted that the primary goal of their lobbying regarding
the Magnitsky Act was to restore Russian adoptions. Changing the name of
the act was a means to that end. They simply hoped to change the name of
the law, not the law itself.

LIEBERMAN did not recall the first time he met VESELNITSKAYA, but knew
that it was in the United States. He indicated that the last contact he
had with her was about a year ago, while she was June 9, 2016, and that may have been the last time. She was the driving
force behind the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation
(HRAGI). She indicated she could secure funding from DENIS KATSYV to cover
the lobbying for the name change. They would need funding for public
relations.

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LIEBERMAN never met the other donors to HRAGI. He indicated that there
were three or four others, in addition to Katsyv. He indicated they
donated about LIEBERMAN reviewed Lobbying
Report dated May 8, 2017 and was not familiar with the listed names:
MIKHAIL PONOMAREV, ALBERT NASIBULIN, VLADIMIR LELYUKH, and BERRYLE TRADING
INC. LIEBERMAN believes BAKER HOSTETLER completed the Lobbying Report.

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LIEBERMAN stated that they had a narrow window to change the name of
the act, as a separate bill, the Global Magnitsky Act, was pending in
Congress at the time. LIEBERMAN stated that motivation to
change the name of the act was to ?expose Browder.? DENIS KATSYV had the
same motivation. Discrediting BROWDER would also benefit them in the
Prevezon case.

 

HRAGI worked with CHRIS COOPER, COZEN PUBLIC
STRATEGIES, and BAKER HOSTETLER.

 

 

 

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VESELNITSKAYA suggestedl Ias the Director of HRAGI.
Either or DENIS KATSYV knewl Ibrother and that
looking for work] Idid not do much as the Director.
LIEBERMAN never metl Ibrother and does not know his name. HRAGI

rented office space on the 5th floor in the same building as the offices
of BAKER HOSTETLER in Washington, D.C. LIEBERMAN went to the office a few

times to of these meetings were for LIEBERMAN to
receive payment from HRAGT.

 

 

 

VESELNITSKAYA wasl She was a self-promoter who
IHer whole motivation was to promote her own
brand, LIEBERMAN did not believe that she was
affiliated with an intelligence service, and did not believe her to be b5

 

 

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DENIS KATSYV met. LIEBERMAN speculated that position as

 

 

 

 

 

LIEBERMAN, AKHMETSHIN, VESELNITSKAYA, and [Last Name Unknown
attended a birthday party for DENIS KATSYV in Moscow. The b6
Prosecutor General YURY CHAIKA and Deputy Prosecutor General of Russia b7C
also attended.  land the Deputy Prosecutor General knew each
other. They collected all the cellphones from the attendees. LIEBERMAN sat
across from CHAIKA at the birthday dinner. LIEBERMAN asked and got CHATKA
to agree to restore adoptions of Russian children by Americans if they
could get the name of the Magnitsky Act changed. CHAIKA indicated that he
?Spoke to the boss." CHAIKA did not speak English and LEIBERMAN did not
speak Russian. All of their conversations were through translators. This
was the first and only time LIEBERMAN met CHAIKA. LIEBERMAN heard no

 

 

 

 

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mention of hacked emails during the dinner. He received a lacquer box
while at the party.

VESELNITSKAYA did not appear to have an existing relationship with
CHAIKA. She did not appear to have many connections in general. Whenever
LIEBERMAN needed materials such as the underlying tax documents from
Russia, VESELNITSKAYA could not or would not obtain them for LIEBERMAN.

Regarding the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trum Tower, LIEBERMAN indicated
that he was in New York that day was invited to tour
the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART on behalf Of BUFFALO STATE UNIVERSITY. b6
Iwas BUFFALO STATE UNIVERSITY, and LIEBERMAN b7C

established a scholarshipl lThe tour was for ?donor

maintenance? and to view a recently restored sculpture.

 

 

 

AKHMETSHIN told LIEBERMAN that there was a great Russian play that day
in New York that he was attending. AKHMETSHIN had already purchased
tickets for himself, VESELNITSKAYA, and ANATOLI SAMOCHORNOV, her
translator. LIEBERMAN believes VESELNITSKAYA was in New York City for
court hearings about whether BAKER HOSTETLER should be disqualified as
counsel for Prevezon. He also speculated that VESELNITSKAYA hoped to
testify before Congress as a means to get her face in the public.

Following the tour of the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART, LIEBERMAN had
dinner a Greek restaurant near the theater. AKHMETSHIN
joined them for a drink. AKHMETSHIN met :gc
VESELNITSKAYA and SAMOCHORNOV at the theater. They never mentioned the
meeting at the Trump Tower or JARED KUSHNER or DONALD TRUMP, JR.

LIEBERMAN eventually learned about the Trump Tower meeting from
AKHMETSHIN before it was made public. LIEBERMAN advised that AKHMETSHIN
said it was a waste of time but they had no in depth discussion about it.
AKHMETSHIN indicated that the ?Trump kids? were at the meeting.

LIEBERMAN was shown numerous documents and he provided the following
information:

Checks and deposit slips from January and March 2015: In reference to

check #243 dated March 30, 2015, LIEBERMAN noted he had a client,

wanted to take the Dupont Underground and transform it into a

Disney?like ride.  I


 

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even after knowing each other for years. b7C
LIEBERMAN indicated he met at the ALBRIGHT GROUP.
was charming. He retainedl Ito work on the Du ont
Underground project and to lobby. LIEBERMAN :gc
AKHMETSHIN to help facilitate connections to Democrats.
?knows everyone in the He lobbied on behalf of HRAGI.
was a tax associate and brilliant Russian b6
tax lawyer. She lives inI land worked on the Browder case. b7C
LIEBERMAN was unable to read Russian text in email.
HRAGI planned to Show a film by ANDREW NEKRASOV at the Newseum.
LIEBERMAN suggested serve as the moderator and was be
trying to set up a pre?screening of the movie for and some of their b7C
mutual friends.
LIEBERMAN indicated the seized property is likely a reference
to real estate in New York City. LIEBERMAN noted he does not
know b6
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LIEBERMAN would usually get AKHMETSHIN to translate
VESELNITSKAYAFS email correspondence. Some would include a translation
when he received them from her.

Email dated April 15, 2016: LIEBERMAN and AKHMETSHIN were arriving in
Moscow on April 25, 2016 and AKHMETSHIN and VESELNITSKAYA would be leaving
for Brussels for the screening of the Magnitsky film on April 26, 2016.
LIEBERMAN could not travel to Brussels as he had a single entry visa for
Russia and would not be able to return if he left. in the email
stands for the Prosecutor General. LIEBERMAN repeated that he only met
CHAIKA at DENIS birthday party.

The emails are related to the Brussels screening of the

Magnitsky film. The screening of the film was cancelled the European
Parliament minutes before it was scheduled to be a
significant amount of pressure to cancel the screening of the film in

Brussels. Parliament claimed the film violated the privacy rights 

in the people in Kazakhstan and told b6
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and LIEBERMAN claimed that the only 
did well was holding the checkbook. LIEBERMAN wanted to meet to get a b6

check successful meetings and key dinner in this email b7C
are references to the dinner with CHAIKA in Moscow. LIEBERMAN also met

withl Ion this trip.

 

 

Emails dated May 17, 2016, and Iprovided
money to restore a synagogue in Eastern Europe. The synagogue was
important to Satmar Jews. HRAGI went to visit the Satmar b6
I Iin Brooklyn to discuss the Magntisky Act] knew b7C
Ifather.?noted that there were 400,000 Satmar
voters in New York ?needed a face and a name for the cause. He
encouraged HRAGI to try to identify Americans who had tried to adopt

 

 

 

Russian children but were unable.

HRAGI also reached out to adoption groups. LIEBERMAN described
SAMORCHNOV as a ?super translator.? He was smart, but did not do much more
than translate AKHMETSHIN was less b6
accommodating towards VESELNITSKAYA. SAMOCHORNOV was involved with the b7C
Department of State. He was working on a cultural musical, and requested
LIEBERMAN assist him with funding. LIEBERMAN demurred. They last spoke a

long time ago, possibly on June 9, 2016. SAMOCHORNOV was not a principle

of HRAGI, and simply followed directions from others.

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LIEBERMAN does not know how they were put in touch, but it may have been b7C
through SAMOCHORNOV.
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he would never call him that. Whenever SAMOCHORNOV communicated on behalf b7C
of HRAGI, he was being directed to do it by someone else such as
VESELNITSKAYA. The placed a lot of faith in VESELNITSKAYA.

LIEBERMAN attended the Newseum showing of the film and
described the event as Several hundred people attended. He did

 

 

 

 

not know who funded the screening. It could have been COOPER as he is that
kind of a person, but LIEBERMAN was not sure. LIEBERMAN 
had people at the event because people in the audience began to yell in

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the middle of the movie. It was tense and unpleasant. They needed security
at the event.

and These are emails about Congressional hearings.
VESELNITSKAYA wanted to testify before Congress. LIEBERMAN commented that
VESELNITSKAYA looks unhappy in the photograph because she was not allowed
to testify.



 

 

 

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LIEBERMAN invited his neighbors to attend the screening of the
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Oslo, Norway, showing of a Magnitsky Act film. sent it to
AKHMETSHIN as they know each other.

 

 

 

HRAGI worked with other organizations trying to restore Russian
adoptions including the Friends of Russian Adoptions (ERUA). ERUA had
contacts at the Russian Embassy. Neither HRAGI nor LIEBERMAN interacted
with anyone from the Russian Embassy.

 

 

 

had many connections but minimal involvement with HRAGI.

 

 

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LIEBERMAN met a few times, but only knows him through AKHMETSHIN.

 

 

 

 

 

Email dated June 29, 2016: LIEBERMAN advised payments from BAKER HOSTETLER
were for PREVEZON related work. He also stated HRAGI banks with Bank of
America and he set up the accounts for them.

LIEBERMAN indicated he did not know who was providing funding
for HRAGI other than DENIS KATSYV.

LIEBERMAN indicated that his email contact ?Justice Justice
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Kazakhstan. She spentl Iyears in exile in but was trying to get b5
back to Russia. AKHMETSHIN knowsl lvia LIEBERMAN. She was WC
unemployed following her exile from Kazakhstan and Russia.

 

VESELNITSKAYA loved HILLARY CLINTON as she was a strong female
and there were not many female politicians in Russia. LIEBERMAN sent
VESELNITSKAYA a picture he had with CLINTON.

 

 

 

was in the United States trying to find a job. She
wanted to be involved in improving U.S.?Russia relations.

 

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He worked on Ukrainian elections and was previously with the U.S.
State Department.

the architect of the Magnitsky Act. He was

promoted to join the staff of the Helsinki Commission. He worked on behalf
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LIEBERMAN received a letter from Congress for testimony and

documents. His attorney sent a letter in response to Congress? request.

They have not provided testimony or documents to Congress.

LIEBERMAN and AKHMETSHIN are in the process of filing a patent.

Both realized that neither could be the face for the technology, so they

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Weissmann and Greg Andres. Present representing Manafort were attorneys
Kevin Downing and Thomas Zehnle and After being
advised of the identities of the interviewers and the nature of the
interview, Manafort provided the following information:

Manafort met Konstantin Kilimnik in the United States twice during 2016
once in the Havana Room in New York and once at the Four Seasons in New
York. The Four Seasons meeting occurred sometime before the Havana Room
meeting but after Manafort became Trump's Campaign Chairperson. At the
Four Seasons, they talked primarily about the Trump Campaign, events in

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Their meeting lasted about an hour and a half or two

hours. Manafort, through Rick Gates, arranged and paid for Kilimnik's
train ticket from New York to Washington, D.C. and back. Manafort did not
pay for Kilimnik's airfare to the U.S.

 

 

 

At the time they met, Kilimnik was working for Serhiy
Lyovochkin. During the meeting, Manafort briefed Kilimnik on the Trump
Campaign. Manafort intended for Kilimnik to pass the information back to
individuals in Ukraine and elsewhere. The Opposition Bloc members
recognized that Manafort's position on the Campaign offered them a good
opportunity. Kilimnik, however, did not ask for anything based on
Manafort's position with the Campaign. Kilimnik updated Manafort on
Ukraine. They mostly talked about how to get people in the occupied zone
to participate in elections. These people are part of the Opposition
Bloc's base. According to Kilimnik, Yuriy Boyko, the face of the
Opposition Bloc in 2016, said he could get them to participate in the
elections. Boyko was part of Lyovochkin's faction of the Opposition Bloc.

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While Kilimnik worked for Manafort, Kilimnik met two or three times a
month with the Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) Schultz and the Political
Director, First Name Unknown (FNU) Last Name Unknown (LNU) at the U.S.
Embassy in Kyiv. Kilimnik briefed Manafort after Kilimnik's
meetings. Kilimnik also dealt with the German, French and Italian
Embassies in Kyiv. Kilimnik was especially close with the German
Embassy. Kilimnik did not deal with the British Embassy because it was
not as important for Ukraine's integration into the European
Union. During his 2016 trip, Manafort believes that Kilimnik was meeting
in Washington, D.C. with DCM Schultz. Manafort is not aware of any other
trips that Kilimnik took to the U.S. in 2016.

 

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Kilimnik.

If Manafort had something urgent to discuss with Jared Kushner during
the Transition, it would have been either appointments or personnel
concerns about the Transition staff itself. Chris Christie ran the
Transition until after the election. During the Campaign, an Executive
Committee for the Transition was set up that included Manafort, Kushner,
Christie and Rick Dearborn. Within the Transition itself were teams for
each Department or Agency. Christie staffed the teams with Washington
insiders that knew how to deal with these Departments and
Agencies. Kushner and Christie were not close. Kushner engineered the
Transition away from Christie and his people. Christie asked Manafort to
try to repair his relationship with Kushner. Christie was also concerned
that the next level of people, below top level, were not getting appointed
fast enough. Manafort had four or five telephone calls with Kushner
during the Transition. Manafort had no success in talking with Kushner
about these issues.

Manafort reviewed Manafort does not recall what he
wanted to discuss with Kushner that was "important and time
sensitive." It would have been either appointments or personnel
concerns. Manafort wanted to meet in person so he could get more time and
attention from Kushner than would have occurred during a telephone
call. Manafort wanted "total discretion" for the meeting because of the
media scrutiny on him. Manafort was not concerned about anyone in the
Transition learning about their meeting. It was the meeting itself, not
the topics, that needed secrecy. Manafort never spoke with Kushner about
Ukraine.

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Manafort reviewed a 01/19/2017 e?mail chain between Manafort and
regarding "Names." 1n the first e?mail, Manafort wrote "fire
drill time." Secretary of State had been one of the last cabinet
positions filled. Manafort concerned that Rex Tillerson
would not bring on the right people. Steve Beguin was concerned. Beguin brought the necessary knowledge but he was
not part of Washington. Manafort anticipated recommending people for
positions but he had not been asked. Manafort planned to aggressively
fill the vacuum caused by the Transition's failure to select
people. likedI I a Russian/Eastern European
think tank expert. Manafort has met Ionce or twice. I Iset
up a meeting Manafort andI Iand
to get Ukraine into Europe and were willing with deal with
Yanukovych. David Kramer, on the other hand, is an idealogue who would

 

 

not have dealt with Ukraine if Yanukovych was there. As to the people
in the e?mail, Manafort did not work with any of
them in Ukraine. In addition to the people recommended, Manafort
pushed for Head of Protocol. did not get the
position. Manafort Bush and Reagan days.

worked for Manafort on the Trump convention. been involved in
business activities in Ukraine, maybe for an energy company.

dealt with Ukraine during the Obama years. I:Iwrote thaill: asks
me every day when RA is going to get a visa to visit America." I I
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relationship with Rinat Akhmetov. I Iworked for
Akhmetov. for a major Russian company. Manafort
thought that if Beguin became Deputy Secretary of State, they could try to
I I Manafort did not know whyI I
.Akhmetov owned a metallurgy company in the U.S. Manafort never
worked for or with Akhmetov's U.S. company.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Manafort. They met in Kevin Downing's law offices in Washington, D.

C. First Name Unknown (FNU) Last Name Unknown (LNU) asked Manafort to
representI Iin Ukraine's 2019 presidential election. FNU LNU lives
in the U.S. I Iconnected Manafort with FNU LNU. After first
hearing from FNU LNU, Manafort called Kilimnik. Kilimnik 
was not a first tier candidate and could not get enough support from the
Opposition Bloc and their supporters. Manafort first said no to FNU LNU
not a real prospect. FNU LNU asked again and
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discussed money for Manafort and possible coalitions that would support

Manafort agreed to and

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whether to go forward together. Manafort lanned to start with a poll but

did not actually conduct it because Idid not send the be
money. Manafort ended up assessing. Ipotential candidacy based b7C
on information Kilimnik collected by talking with people in Ukraine. In

June 2018, Manafort toldl Ithat he should not run. 

Manafort aboutl Ifrom a business account. Manafort does not recall

in which country the business account was located. The money probably

came into Steam Mountain. Manafort performed about 25 to 30 hours of work.

 

 

 

purchased a boost mobile phone at the b6
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beginning of 2018. Manafort wanted to talk securely with

Kilimnik. Manafort may also have called Rick Gates on the

phone. Manafort did not send any messages on the phone. Kilimnik was
collecting materials from Borys Kolesnikov and for Manafort's
defense. Kilimnik sent the materials to Manafort's hushmail account.

 

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Boyarkin worked for Deripaska. Manafort met Boyarkin only
once. Manafort met Boyarkin in Deripaska's offices in Moscow sometime
between 2006 and 2008. Manafort was there to meet with
Deripaska. Manafort does not recall whether Boyarkin was in the meeting
or introduced separately. Manafort and Boyarkin talked for about thirty
minutes. Boyarkin does not speak or write English. Manafort used a
translator whenever communicating with Boyarkin. Boyarkin was a bland

guy, 5'10", overweight with gray hair. Boyarkin coordinated Deripaska's

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business partners.
Rick Davis work in Ukraine on matters related to b5

Deripaska. When Manafort took over the lead on the Deripaska account, b7C
began working for Manafort. the operation in Ukraine
from about 2005 to 2010. Kilimnik worked as number two. left
Ukraine right after Yanukovych became President. Manafort and
talked about once a month Manafort does not know any
after he left. In for Manafort
in Kurdistan. Manafort was advising the Prime Minister on the referendum
and other matters of U.S. and European policy. Manafort 
to work in Kurdistan because he was available and Manafort trusted
him. for about two months during the September to December
2017 timeframe. Manafort was introduced to the Kurdish Prime Minister by
Manafort's friends in Dubai. The Kurdish Prime Minister directly hired
Manafort. Payment for Manafort's work in Kurdistan came into Steam
Mountain. Manafort has not used offshore accounts since 2014. Gates said
he shut down all of the offshore accounts. Manafort paid. Iabout

Kurdistan Manafort did not 

in cash.

 

 

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Emir in BahrainManafort never talked to any U.S. government
official regarding his work for the UAE.

Manafort last spoke 2018. Manafort communicated with b5
WhatsApp or possibly Signal. Manafort used whatever b7C
application to use. Manafort on what to
tell Talal about Manafort's issues in the U.S. Manafort talked 
about Manafort's case. Manafort did not for any assistance
related to his charges, the trial or the media.

Manafort the U.S. in 2017. Manafort believes that they b6
met in New York, maybe at the Peninsula Hotel. There was no need to meet b7C
in person and nothing in particular that they did not want to discuss on
the phone. They talked about work in Kurdistan and Iraq. was in
New York on other business. Manafort does not know why was in the
U.S.

Manafort askedI Iif he knew Christopher Steele. I I b5

[talked withI Irelayed to Manafort from b7C
IManafort does not know
I Isource of information.

All of the information in the Steele dossier about Manafort is untrue,

including the trips to Russia.
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During their meeting in the Manafort on their b6
projects. Manafort never U.S. Manafort did not b7C

to do any work to check out the allegations in the Steele
dossier. Manafort to an international firm that could
conduct due diligence regarding Manafort's various accounts in

Cyprus. The firm did not do any work because Manafort did not pursue it.

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Manafort reviewed messages between Manafort andl I Manafort told
I Iabout his case. Neither lever provided
Manafort anything that he did not ask for. Manafort reviewed a message

07/20/2017 stating that:

 

 

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Manafort does not believe that the first sentence isl I
Manafort does not recall getting

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saying a lot about nothing. Manafort does not know whatl Imeant by
I Manafort does not know who Oleg Erovinkin is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Manafort met with his attorneys during a break.

Manafort in a hotel room in Washington, D.C. 
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investigation against him. They must have connected the dots and

investigated further on their own initiative.

Manafort about the newspaper reporting on the dossier b5
and the cash ledger. that GPS Fusion had operations in b7C
Russia. They talked about how the June 9 meeting had no substance and
thus may have been a setup. Manafort figured that the meeting was
arranged to create questions about whether the Trump Campaign was working
with the Russian government. The Russian government, or someone else,
encouraged the Agaralovs to request the meeting with the plan that it
would blow up into an allegation of collusion. Manafort's last question
was who originated the setup plan. Manafort askedI Ito see

Manafort does not know why
whoever set up the meeting did not make it public until after the election.

At their meeting, Iand GPS b6
Fusion's ability to work in Russia. I Isaid GPS Fusion had clients in b7C
Russia and GPS Fusion had worked for the Russian government. 
not draw any conclusions regarding efforts to undermine the Trump
Campaign. talked about Kurdistan andI I

Manafort never paidI for any work. I Imessage about he

did not relate to any work thatI Iwere doing b7C
for Manafort. Manafort did not relay any information regarding GPS Fusion
fromI Ito anyone else.

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project." "This" would have been and the other b5
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I Idid not bring Manafort a hard copy of anything related b6
I I Someone had a court order to go into Manafort's Cyprus b7C
bank account information. The international firm recommended by
Manafort a copy of the court order. From the order, it did not
look like the U.S. government was involved. Manafort thought it may have
been the Associated Press or other media. Manafort did not pay the
international firm. Manafort does not know if I Ipaid the
international firm.

Manafort reviewed messages between Manafort be
/2017. that spoken to you about the intel we b7C
have to assist your side." The intel was the Cyprus project. Manafort
then wrote "[n]ew VIP topic that I want to discuss." Manafort may have
been talking about Afghanistan. Manafort reviewed messages between
Manafort 07/21/2017. In one message, Manafort if
he had access to "a very good international forensics accounting
firm." This message was about the international firm that ended up
conducting the Cyprus work for Manafort. Thus, the topic" was
Cyprus. As to the earlier message, Manafort cannot recall what would have
been the "intel we have to assist your side."

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Manafort asked people, including to donate to his Legal b5
Defense Fund. In asking for donations, Manafort detailed the amount of b7C
his bills and where to send the money. Manafort also explained why he
thought the government investigation was unfair.

Manafort does not recall ifI Iasked Manafort to talk with b6

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anyone in the U.S., including the Administration or the Hill, on behalf of
their overseas clients. Given his circumstances, Manafort would have
identified people and someone else would have contacted them.

for Talal. action officer. b6

organized their trips. Manafort his case. Manafort b7c
tried to raise money by proclaiming his innocence and criticizing the
process.

Manafort wrote that Intel committee has the stuff exposing
Dossier, FBI AND Illegal Fisa searches coming." Manafort based this

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any information from anyone on the House Intel committee or anyone else
with access to confidential information.
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NAFER fi st met EIRIK PRI NC in Iraq. PRINCE was running the seeurit C3
Ciempany Blackvm Iter, and was a wellmpaid ?zubUluant for the U15. 
of Iiaq. NADER ed .ICE tn the customs anl bus1ness practices in
Irag. NADEE was in the process of obtaining a Cus1nCss license for
Blackwater to operate in Iraq when the N1sour Square anooting occurred.
NALER is lurrertlr a Cusiness ons ultant in Abe thaCi, UniCed Arab
Em11ates NADE has an un0111cial 1dvis 01v 1ela .tionshih with the
lea.ders Cf UEE and Saudi AraC1a, Cut is not an of the gowernment
of IE91E Cr Sadd1 Arabian This relationship is similar to for
ChItEr NADER spe-m ali7C1 in hr1_ng1ng compan.1es tC-ge ther for re;I estate
deals or licenses.
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aid Saudi Irabia '1 be rn giod terms with the HILLARY CLINTON and
DONALL MR MP Camp igns. NADER fruad it easy tr develot Cintaets inside the
Clinton Campaign because he knew Pr ident BILL CLINTON. HoweVCr, 
was an e.igma, and no one knew exactly what he stood for. Regardless of
who won, they would nee-cl to be on good relations with the incoming
adlaihiisl ra "iaan.
greatest strength as an advisor is because he is a 
Who has respeCt aid CC nt acts Wl+ Ch both sides in a difficult env11enment.
(Note: wro?a idC the attached Conjseislonal ReCords at th1s tire). be
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AyatC Cu.llah I .
Meeting DONALD TRUMP JR.
NADER had atCempted to develop connections to the senior level of the
Tramp Camgaign through WZLID IEARESC PEARES had tried to introduce NADER
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campaign, wanted to invite him.to meet. MBU and the then Ueputy Grown
trince of SauM Arabia BIN canMAN (MRS) in Morocco. MBZ and MRS
stay for several weeks at a compound in Morocco every summer; TRUMP JR

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happen. WETANYRHU had met with euno1iite MITT RDMNEY in 2012 and tie
meeting had caused problems. JERMDH said he was traveling to Israel and
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officials durina this trip.
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Libya and fjhan stan. PRI NIEE stated that ?this admini tratio will owe
you forever? and that the UAE would get protection in re n. NADER
remembers PIINC grin; over maps ith MEZ and saying the project might
:ost $lw2 billiono flame came out as a ver impOIt.ant Russian,
and PRINCE was very eager to work with the Russiaas in aa effort to ?cle=n
up?2 ghanittan. No palitiosl discussions we .e he_d betwee. DMITRIEV anf
PRINCE. DMI IRJEV was the Russian side who could put PIINCE in contact with
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had his back. PRINCE wanted to meet with his counterpart on thi Russian

side, who was determined be DMI stated that he was glad to

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they had commor goals? There was talk out Libya and Egypt. According to

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was a great admirer of the new admini.tr3tion, excited to wo?k with them,

in terms of the United States and I was apparent that PRINCE was

very proud 2f being an American, but he dil not mention KISINEI,

was mist talkino for himself. When t.e meeting ended NARER sarLd

that be ore anything was done, they must first see wiat decision

would be? It was cordial etw.en PRINCE and as he; left, they

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regular basis, and NADER itialiv met DMTTEIEV on one i those visits
appriximately 6 years ago. Saudi Arabian and Russian ielationship was
poor at tne time and the UAE was concerned about the political
relationship. was running the Vidal East Theigit publioation. NADER
oonside ered himself as a Triend who was workilg quietly behiid the sgenes
in an effort to distance Russia from Ira i, shift their favor towards bauoi
Arabia due to what they represent in the Islamic world? During the BARACK
OBAMA Trap distr :sted Saudi Arabia and the UAE netsuse
they considered them erX?e? of the Americans, ani therefire there was
last of trust.

in approxim tely 2012w2017, VauE? went on a visit to Pussia wi.h former
bauoi Arabi Ambassador Fringe as an unofficial f?riend Thei goal
was to build a trusted relationship With Ru ssie and Vladimir PUTTN
designateo to be their contact person for that relationship.
speaks English, war *Juoated in the United States, well off, and
is extremely articulate and pleasant. DMTTETEV wan,ed to build a Sunni
re lationshi;, was not an anti"Amerioan, wa: pro Esrael, and ?pro"Arab?.
was head of tie RuSSia Domestic Investment Fund (EDIE) at tie
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said he was meeting with a lo1 or investors and other people, but
dio not specify wtiom he was meeting with while in the 

tt that TRUMP would be better than CLINTON and would lirt
the U.S. sanctions plated on Russi_a. di- not mention speoifioally
when he thought the sanctions might be lifted.

EV continued to press for a meeting with the TRUMP Transition Team.
TEV sale that PUTTN would a it and that a eting would make

history? was nalous to make these
was going t2 work other routes set u: a 
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reference to ?working on something huge? is to a 1

meeting between TRUMP .nd MEZ B1 ZAYED1L EADER w:s working with
JR to coordinate this meeting. However, RUSHNER stopped this meeting
from aotua11_V haopening. URE Ambassador to the U08, TOUSEE OTATBA, and
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going to happen. METER was disappointe/ and :onfused for the reasoi behind
this because TRUMP had met the Japawase Prime Ei.i)ter and the Emir wf
Qat during the tTansition.
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to and had di.Cissed a meeting 1etwe en the Ail along
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 08/22/2018

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Erik Dean PRINCE, date of birth (DOB) was interviewed at
the Special Counsel's Office, Washington, D.C. Present representing b6
Prince werel Iandl Iof Boies Schiller Flexner, b7C
LLP. The interviewing team were FBI Special Agents
and FBI Intelligence land

 

 

Assistant Special Counsels Jeannie Rhee, and Aaron Zelinsky. FBI Special

 

 

 

Agent was present for a portion of the interview.

 

Prior to the start of the interview, ASC Zelinsky verbally reviewed the
terms of a letter setting forth the agreement upon which Prince made
himself available for the interview. Prince stated that he understood the
terms of the letter agreement. Prince the b6
letter. After being advised of the identities of the interview team and b7C

the nature of the interview, Prince provided the following information:

PRINCE wanted to clarify information that he provided during his first
interview with the Special Counsel?s Office (SCO) on April 4, 2018. PRINCE
previously stated he had met with Donald TRUMP JR twice prior to the

election, and he remembered a 3rd meeting at the end of the Las Vegas

debate. The 3rd meeting was at TRUMP HOTEL and nothing substantial was
discussed. PRINCE also wanted to try to explain why his cell phones did

 

not have SMS messages prior to a certain date. PRINCE has a be
which when he changed out with his regular cell phone SIM card, may b7C
have wiped the previous SMS messages prior to that date. Last, in trying

to recall the events of January 4, 2017, PRINCE remembered having lunch at

 

Cipriani?s Restaurant, two blocks north of Trump Tower, in New York City
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for Texas.

 

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Investigationon 05/03/2018 at Washington, District Of Columbia, United States (In Person)

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This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not

to be distributed outside your agency. i

 

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calling or text BANNON. There was a bar/restaurant area
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Michael Jared KUSHNER, or both of them. BANNON had been very busy
that day and PRINCE had waited around to see him. PRINCE went around and
talked to other people on the floor while he waited for BANNON and ended
up being late If PRINCE saw BANNON that day it was
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Kellyanne CONWAY, Secretary Wilbur ROSS, Steve MNUCHIN and
while he was waiting around for BANNON. It was possible he met with other

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people as well. BANNON had blinds in his office that PRINCE believed were
installed by January 2017. PRINCE was cleared to ?get into the queue? with
BANNON but he did not feel like he was getting guaranteed access. PRINCE
does not recall, but it is possible that he met with BANNON on January 4
and discussed Kirill DMITRIEV.

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within an hour of being on the transition team floor. It is possible he
discussed it with BANNON, PRINCE didn?t remember seeing BANNON then, but
it is a possibility. PRINCE didn?t believe that he passed 
information to anyone else, but he might have passed it to but not
in a long substantial meeting. PRINCE believed he was perceived to be
someone in the transition whose main contact was BANNON.

NADER was Mohammed Bin Zayed's (MBZ) man and was currently clashing
with Yousef Al OTAIBA. PRINCE did have some type of conversation about
DMITRIEV at the dinner with NADER. NADER became a conduit to MBZ for
PRINCE. PRINCE was focused on getting in the good graces with MBZ and
main interest was meeting someone in the transition team. NADER
setup the meeting between PRINCE and MBZ. NADER viewed PRINCE as an access
point and was using PRINCE as a messenger to the Trump Transition Team.
PRINCE didn?t remember affirming to NADER that he would pass information
onto the Transition Team, but he thought it was a fair inference for NADER
to think that he would pass the DMITRIEV information onto them. PRINCE
wasn?t sole access point to the Trump Transition Team. The
DMITRIEV information was important to NADER and contact with MBZ was what
was important to PRINCE. It was possible that PRINCE met with BANNON and
possible that he spoke about DMITRIEV with BANNON. PRINCE also thought
it was possible that he was just paying lip service to NADER and did not
follow through. The only time PRINCE could remember being at Trump Tower
after Christmas was 3 and 4 January 2017.

When PRINCE arrived in the Seychelles on January 11, 2017 he was
greeted at the airport by a representative of the UAE. He was taken to his
hotel room where he cleaned up. He had an initial meeting with NADER in
his villa. Afterward he went to villa and met with MBZ. PRINCE
described the rest of the attendees as ?all Arabs?. The meeting took about
an hour and a half. When the meeting concluded, he had dinner with NADER,

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PRINCE went back to his room. At that point, PRINCE saw the news about the
Russian aircraft carrier Kuznetsov sailing into Tobruk, Libya, so he
called NADER in order to meet with DMITRIEV again. They then met in 
villa. PRINCE told DMITRIEV that this was not the way to improve
relations. PRINCE was not telling DMITRIEV this in an official capacity,
but as his experience as a former Naval Officer. PRINCE told DMITRIEV this
because DMITRIEV had links to the Russian Government. DMITRIEV said that
sometimes the Russian military gets ahead of themselves.

 

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transition, and was either officially or unofficially associated with the
transition. PRINCE didn?t remember BANNON specifically being raised during
the conversation. PRINCE said that BANNON was effective if not
conventional. PRINCE indicated he provided policy papers to
BANNON. DMITRIEV was not surprised that PRINCE was linked to BANNON.
DMITRIEV appeared to know that he would be meeting with PRINCE and knew
something about PRINCE. PRINCE believed he was a diligent and audible
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fund manager.

 

 

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had met with DMITRIEV. If there was an interest BANNON, or someone else in
the transition, would take it from there. PRINCE was not interested in

 

 

being the middle man. DMITRIEV was interested in improving relations
between the U.S. and Russia. PRINCE thought he told NADER he would relay
the DMITRIEV information back to BANNON. PRINCE would have conveyed to
BANNON the DMITRIEV information regardless of whether NADER requested it
or not. NADER wanted to be the ?perpetual middleman? and PRINCE described
the meeting with DMITRIEV as a date you didn?t know you were being setup
with. PRINCE described it as a fair assessment that NADER setup the
meeting ahead of time. There were indications from DMITRIEV that he knew
he was meeting with PRINCE. It appeared that DMITRIEV had read a little
bit about background with Blackwater and the U.S. Navy SEALS.
PRINCE thought it was probably both the UAE and idea to set PRINCE
up with DMITRIEV. There was no indication given from PRINCE that BANNON
sent PRINCE to the Seychelles. DMITRIEV was aware that PRINCE knew people
connected to the administration.

There was no conversation between PRINCE and DMITRIEV of Russian
interference during the 2016 presidential campaign. PRINCE described

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himself as a student of intelligence and covert action. PRINCE believed
that Russia?s intent was to sow chaos and in that effort they succeeded.
PRINCE didn?t think the Russians affected the 2016 presidential election,
but that they affected the first year after the election. DMITRIEV gave no
indication that the Russians helped TRUMP or any gloating that they played
any role in getting him elected. Right before the meeting with DMITRIEV,
PRINCE asked NADER what DMITRIEV was looking for. NADER stated that he was
looking for any way to communicate with the new administration.

DMITRIEV presents himself very well, is educated, and understood the U.

 

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talked through his Teterboro paper on the private option, briefed BANNON
on his southern border trip,

 

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PRINCE said that he had met with DMITRIEV. He explained that DMITRIEV was
looking at improving relations with the U.S., was the head of a Russian
sovereign wealth fund, and the UAE wanted PRINCE to meet him. PRINCE
probably held up a picture of DMITRIEV to show BANNON who he met. PRINCE
didn?t know if he had any contact information, such as a phone number, for
DMITRIEV. It was possible PRINCE handed over to BANNON a business card,
or wrote down an email address or a phone number for DMITRIEV. PRINCE

 

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DMITRIEV, it could have been a card or number. PRINCE informed BANNON, and
then it was up to him to follow up. BANNON told PRINCE to not follow up.
BANNON wasn?t interested and PRINCE could tell from his body language.
PRINCE described it as on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being highly
interested, BANNON was a 7 on his reaction. If it was a priority, PRINCE
would have gotten a 1 from BANNON. The 7 in reaction PRINCE got from
BANNON was not unusual, but it was more negative then PRINCE thought it
would be. PRINCE didn?t get a 10 either, meaning BANNON was ?pissed off?
about it. BANNON didn?t verbalize why he lacked interest. PRINCE was not
the conduit going forward.

PRINCE got a text response from BANNON when asking for feedback on
proposed private option. PRINCE had done radio interviews with
BANNON on certain topics and the first one he did was in 2013.

PRINCE was shown a screenshot from his phone which was captured from a
video of TRUMP on CNN. The headline of the video was ?Trump: I have no
dealings with Russia in Business?. If PRINCE had sent or received the
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took the lead on communicating with Yanukovych.

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Dateofentry 08/23/2018

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 10/31/2017

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previously identified, was interviewed at a Department

of Justice office in Washington, D.C. by FBI Special AgentI I

Assistant Special Counsel Greg Andres and Assistant ecial
Counsel Brian Richardson. Present during the interview wereI I
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I IAfter being advised of the identities of the

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

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was interviewed at the Office of the Special Counsel in b6

Washington, D.C. The interviewers were FBI Special Agent 
and Assistant Special Counsel (ASC) Andrew Weissmann. After being advised
of the interviewers and the nature of the interview provided the
following information:

reviewed Section 5 inspection reports on four registrations:
Black, Manafort and Stone, Inc. (#3415); Black, Manafort, Stone Kelly
Public Affairs Company (#3600) Paul Jl Manafort (#3594); and b6
Black, Manafort, Stone Atwater, Inc. (#3710). ecalls the b7c
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went to offices in old town Alexandria. of and

attorney, pulled the firms' files. The inspection team
spent about one week going through the files. The inspection team b6
compared the firms' calendars, memos, contracts and billing records to the b7c
information in their supplemental filings.
looked at the financials comparing receipts and disbursements. The
inspection team looked for non?disclosed activities and payments. b6

did not deal with the legal issues in the inspection. b7C
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The following other individuals were involved in the inspection:

 



 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 10/31/2017

DOCUMENT RESTRICTED TO CASE PARTICIPANTS

This document contains information that is restricted to case participants.

 

 

 

of the FARA Registration Unit, 600 St. NW, #1300,

Washington, DC 20530 was interviewed by FBI Special b5
Special Counsel Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Greg Andres, and b7C

 

 

 

 

 

Associate Special Counsel Prosecutor Brian Richardson. After being
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began working in the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) Unit of

 

 

 

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Control Section (CES) inl IInitiallyJ After
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number of registrations has gone down since the Lobbying Disclosure Act
(LDA) exception came into effect.

The FARA Unit is an administrative enforcement body. Generally, the
FARA Unit answers questions on how the statute works and when an entity
needs to file FARA. The FARA Unit can conduct inspections of registrants'
books and records to ensure compliance. The FARA Unit cannot conduct
inspections of non?registrants. If information related to other clients
which would be indicative of a need to file FARA is uncovered during an
inspection, the FARA Unit can use this plain view information to request
the registrant to file for that additional client.

 

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The FARA Unit can refer criminal matters to CBS and the FBI. The FARA
Unit does not have its own investigative body. stated that she b6

cannot recall an instance in which the FARA Unit has referred anything to b7C
CES or the FBI. The FARA Unit has received referrals from the FBI and

United States Attorney's Office (USAO), but never referred anything to

these entities.

 

 

 

thought it unlikely, but possible that an entity would be

 

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registrants with are repeat registrants and accustomed to b7C
filing FARA. That said, the LDA does not have a provision for inspection

of books and records. Additionally, an LDA's filing fees are lower and in

general, the reporting requirements for an LDA are less extensive and less
intrusive into the activities provided by the registrant than FARA.

 

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and took an entire week. believed this inspection was related to the b6

firm's work in Nicaragua, which was a very controversial issue at the b7C
to locate information regarding this inspection and
provide it to the Special Counsel's Office.

 

 

Sometimes, inspections are conducted on a random basis and sometimes
they are conducted because an entity is late in filing their supplemental
registration documents. Sometimes, a registrant is simply located nearby
to another registrant on whom an inspection is being conducted. In these
instances, the FARA Unit may do an inspection simply due to convenience of
location.

The program specialists at the FARA Unit look through news articles to
try and identify entities that may need to file under FARA. In these
instances, the FARA Unit will send a Letter of Inquiry (LOI) to that
entity, or invite the entity to have a meeting to discuss the matter. The
FARA Unit does not typically get referrals from anyone on the Hill and
does not have a hotline, or complaint line into which members of the
public can refer FARA violations. The FARA Unit does not provide training
or materials to potential registrants, but maintains publicly available
information on their website.



 

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Generally, registrants and potential registrants contact the FARA Unit
to discuss whether or not they need to file based upon their
circumstances. The FARA Unit provides opinion letters, or advisory b6
opinions in response to questions posed by potential registrants. b7C
estimated that she only writes between 5?10 opinion letters per year.
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principal is a foreign government or foreign political party then FARA is
required. The purpose of the statute and the regulation was so that a
"straw" entity could not be created to give the appearance of being
unrelated to the actual foreign principal, which was a foreign government

 

or foreign political party. reiterated that the statute alone is

 

 

 

sufficient and the regulation is not really necessary.

 

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non?governmental organization (NGO), which was completely independent from
a foreign government or foreign political party, hired a lobbying firm,
then an LDA would likely be okay. That said, the ECFMU was clearly not
independent from the Ukrainian government or the Party of Regions 
and therefore, it required a PARA filing.



 

 

 

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Hypothetically, had Manafort and/or Gates merely acted as political
consultants for Ukraine and not directed and/or participated in any
lobbying activities in the US, they may not have had an obligation to file
that the physical location of Manafort and/or Gates was

 

a factor to be considered. Hypothetically, if Manafort and/or Gates were
located outside the US, but were just directing lobbying activities in the
they may still have to file FARA. explained that

 

 

 

if Manafort and/or Gates were located solely outside the US, but were
directly lobbying activity, disseminating information and/or trying to
influence US government officials, they would be required to file FARA.

However, according to documentation reviewed the FARA Unit
on this matter, it was clear that both Manafort and Gates did direct and
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direction and control are key components to determining whether or not
they needed to file FARA.

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registrants and potential practice was to
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did not consider this LOI to be improper in any way, she just
tqought it was a more aggressive approach than she was used to and it b6
signaled a change in how the PARA Unit approached these types of b7C
inquiries. Currently, this type of LOI language is the standard.
indicated that she felt the more aggressive approach had something
to do with evolving practices within CES and the FARA Unit. referred
to the OIG Report which criticized the FARA Unit for not being aggressive b6
enough. Even though that report did not come out until Se tember 2016, b7C
her unit had seen a draft of the report. In the
fact that this matter was in the news regularly and Manafort was a high
profile individual played a role in why the LOI was more extensive.
There was nothing done in this matter that deviated from the FARA
Unit's normal course. The only difference was how in depth the inquiry
was and how much oversight it garnered. explained that normally the
program specialist will identify a potential registrant and send the b6
boiler plate LOI. In this case, the LOI underwent many revisions and was 
reviewed and likely others, before being sent.
explained that registrants and/or potential registrants have no
obligation to answer an LOI or provide any documentation
requested. Despite the fact that there was no obligation to comply with
the request would have expected any response to be truthful and b6
complete. For example, if PDG was going to provide documents in response, 

 

would have expected all relevant documents would be included in that

 

 

 

production, unless there was some sort of privilege issue.



 

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recalled that represented to the FARA Unit that DMP,

Manafort and Gates did rot have any responsive documents due to a document

 

retention policy. never followed up about this retention policy to

 

 

 

determine whether or not it was actually followed, or whether or not
were responsive documents despite the retention policy.

 

Had DMP, Manafort and/or Gates had any responsive documents,

 

 

 

have considered these relevant and expected these to be provided in
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The FARA Unit did not conduct any interviews prior to making their
determination. The FARA Unit does not normally conduct interviews or
refer matters to CES for a Grand Jury investigation.
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5. was shown a letter dated November 23, 2016 from
had conversations with outside of written b6
communication, but they were not substantive in nature. These b7C
conversations were about scheduling and logistical or administrative
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explained that in her letter to she listed the foreign
principal as the ECFMU, the government of Ukraine and/or the because
it did not really matter which one it all three to b6
be foreign principals under FARA ad enough information to know b7C
that any of the three constituted a foreign principal under PARA, and she
did not want to pick only one.
had expressed to that she was uncertain as to the who the
foreign principal would be. This was one of the reasons used "and b6
/or" in her letter. may have asked who the principal should b7C
be. Hadl Iasked would not have given her an answer.
felt that it was the registrant's burden to know who the client was.
DMP worked for the government of Ukraine and FOR per their b6
contract. DMP did not have a contract with the b7C
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close attention to item ll regarding activities, item 12 related to
political activities, item 14 regarding funding and item 15 related to
receipts and disbursements.
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than the client. believed she initiated contact with Skadden on this
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 02/06/2018

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FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10)


FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Dateofentry 06/25/2018

Iwas interviewed at the Eastern :3


by Deoartment of
FBI Special

 

On Friday, June 22, 2018, 
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-1 of 2-

 



FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 07/27/2017

 

 

 

FBI Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) identifying
information having previously been provided, was interviewed via Lync.
Having provided him the identities of the interviewing agents and the
reason for the the following information:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Former Director James Comey had al telephone in his residential 

 

 

ever since the buildout of the SCIF.

 

 

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FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentiy 06/08/2018

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 07/16/2018

interviewed at the Special Counsel?s

Office, located at 395 Street, SW, Washington, D.C. Also present during

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 06/06/2018

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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FD-302 (Rev. 5-8-10)



FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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Dateofentry 12/01/2017

THOMAS KENDRIS, United States (U.S.) Country President of NOVARTIS

CORPORATION (NOVARTIS), was interviewed by Special Agent (SA)

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EHRAT sent KENDRIS an email regarding a meeting invitation with COHEN.
After KENDRIS received the aforementioned email from EHRAT, KENDRIS and
EHRAT had a phone call. During the call, KENDRIS believed EHRAT told him
that COHEN was DONALD TRUMP's personal attorney, which was news to
KENDRIS. KENDRIS thought TRUMP's personal attorney was MARC KASOWITZ.

 

 

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JIMENEZ had contacted him (EHRAT) about COHEN. JIMENEZ said he had
retained COHEN and wanted to enter into an agreement with COHEN. EHRAT
provided KENDRIS with a copy of the agreement. KENDRIS recalled a scope of
services attachment to the agreement which said COHEN would be assisting

 

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NOVARTIS with healthcare legislation. EHRAT told KENDRIS that COHEN would
help JIMENEZ set up meetings with individuals in the TRUMP administration.
JIMENEZ was introduced to COHEN through a third party.
NOVARTIS had a history working with a public relations firm called
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about the fact that they did not know who in the TRUMP administration
would be responsible for issues relevant to NOVARTIS. CASSERLY had the
ability to set up meetings between JIMENEZ and but there was a 

 

 

 

general lack of understanding as to who was responsible for healthcare
policy issues in the TRUMP administration. CASSERLY put together a list of
people he thought would be responsible, but KENDRIS had not previously
heard many of the names.

Value?based pricing and outcome?based contracts were issues JIMENEZ was
interested in, so JIMENEZ wanted to talk with someone in the TRUMP
administration about the issues. Value?based pricing and outcome?based
contracts were ways to address the rising prices of prescription drugs.
NOVARTIS wanted the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to clarify whether
or not pharmaceutical companies could have outcome-based contracts with
its customers.

KENDRIS noted that NOVARTIS and the U.S. Centers for Medicare and
Medicaid Services (CMS) recently agreed on outcomes?based pricing for an
approved FDA leukemia drug. Under the agreement, a government patient
would not receive a bill until 30 days after receiving treatment. If the
patient did not go into remission, then the patient would not receive a
bill.

Another policy issue NOVARTIS was interested in speaking with the TRUMP
administration about was indication?based pricing. Indication?based
pricing was something that had never been done before. NOVARTIS and CMS
recently agreed to collaborate on indication?based pricing with respect to
certain drugs. If NOVARTIS had been unable to come to an agreement with
CMS, NOVARTIS could have spoken to COHEN about the issue.

 

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individuals. KENDRIS may have suggested to EHRAT that CASSERLY attend the
meeting with COHEN as well. However, KENDRIS came to find out that
CASSERLY had already spoken with JIMENEZ about COHEN, so CASSERLY was
already aware of a meeting being arranged.

The issues concerning KENDRIS and CASSERLY were tax reform, health care
reform, and value?based pricing.

KENDRIS was shown a set of his handwritten notes Bates stamped
through Prior to meeting with COHEN, KENDRIS
had a one?on-one meeting with CASSERLY. The meeting with CASSERLY occurred
right before the meeting COHEN and was used to prepare for the meeting
with COHEN. notes about and "Boston" were regarding cases
NOVARTIS was litigating that they believed EHRAT possibly wanted to
discuss with COHEN.

JIMENEZ was the main individual at NOVARTIS responsible for meeting
with people in Washington, DC regarding policy issues. JIMENEZ was on the
Board of a Pharmaceutical Trade Association (PHRMA). After TRUMP won the
Presidential election, JIMENEZ was very focused on identifying individuals
in the TRUMP administration in order to determine their support of issues
important to NOVARTIS and setting up meetings with the individuals.

JIMENEZ typically hired consultants through CASSERLY, but JIMENEZ was
focused on setting up meetings with the TRUMP administration.

 

 

 

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Regarding the March 1, 2017 meeting with COHEN, KENDRIS wanted the
meeting to be in New York office. KENDRIS noticed that in
COHEN's consulting contract with NOVARTIS, the address listed for COHEN
appeared to be COHEN's personal residence.



 

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COHEN. The meeting lasted approximately 90 minutes. KENDRIS arrived at
New York office early to meet with CASSERLY.

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in discussing with COHENJ

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settlements NOVARTIS was currently negotiating.

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These notes were also from the one?on-one meeting KENDRIS
had with CASSERLY before the meeting with COHEN. The items on this page
contained a list of things KENDRIS and CASSERLY thought COHEN could
potentially be helpful on. KENDRIS believed the note at the top of the
page, should have stated If KENDRIS wrote then
KENDRIS did not know what the note referred to. If KENDRIS intended to
write then the note was referring to a drug pricing program
dealing with a reimbursement issue for indigenous patients. "Border
adjustability tax" was an issue important to NOVARTIS because such a tax

was damaging for companies located outside the U.S., such as NOVARTIS.
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COHEN helping arrange.

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through These notes were taken by KENDRIS
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individuals in the administration CASSERLY had put together as potential
individuals COHEN could introduce JIMENEZ to. The list of names KENDRIS
wrote down were the individuals from CASSERLY's list that COHEN said he
knew. KENDRIS put a star by the names of the individuals COHEN said he
knew best. At one point during this exercise, COHEN said something to the
effect of, "why do you want me to introduce you to these people? I can
bring your ideas directly to the President." COHEN's opinion of the
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about someone who was not on list. KENDRIS could not remember
the individual's name, but COHEN called him/her during the meeting. COHEN
then put the individual on speakerphone, but did not tell the individual
that he/she was on speakerphone. After the call concluded, COHEN said
something to the effect of, "see, I can get anyone on the phone." b6
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particularly from how NOVARTIS dealt with TENEO. Referring to
KENDRIS wrote, "expecting us to deliver stuff to make Trump
look good." During the March 1, 2017 meeting, COHEN told KENDRIS,
CASSERLY, and EHRAT that NOVARTIS should build a manufacturing plant in
Indiana. Doing so, explained COHEN, would create jobs and would make TRUMP
look goodthe March 1, 2017 meeting, COHEN said he did not want to
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Dateofentry 11/01/2017

DOCUMENT RESTRICTED TO CASE PARTICIPANTS

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he and Manafort and their work in Ukraine.

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activities done by PDG.
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lobbying effort in this meeting,

but the purpose of the meeting was to

talk about strategy and next steps for PDG's representation of Ukraine.

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it. Gates did not report to Gates was not an employee of

ECFMU, but he did exert leadership over the ECFMU.

as a tool. Gates created the ECFMU and dictated what they did,

did it and how they did it. this because Gates had

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developed for this client. The second, it solved the FARA issue which b7C

made many people at PDG uncomfortable. not know if the ECFMU
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thought. aware of conversations going on about FARA and LDA at
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benefit of the Ukrainian government. Gates also reported back to the
Ukrainian government on lobbying efforts. a general
understanding of the fact that the Ukrainian government was directing
Gates, but she did not know specifically who within the Ukrainian
government. The ECFMU was ultimately created and directed by the
Ukrainian government. The ECFMU was not independent from the Ukrainian
government. Efforts were made to try to make the ECFMU appear
independent, but they were not.

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matter. The loss of clients further resulted in PDG having to lay off a
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Bray is the National Intelligence Manager for East Asia, which is an
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usually takes good notes, but his notes for March 29 were ?noticeably
blank.? It was a very busy day, as he had spent two days in a row briefing
Trump. There was ?lots going on,? so he never had time to complete his
notes, which was very unusual.

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discussed in that last meeting.

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the Russia investigation.

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information discussed during this interview. Brooker made no such
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United States. believed any foreign client, whether foreign b6
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government, or other foreign entity/person would be subject to paying a
premium for lobbying services. The reason foreign clients paid more was
because reputation issues were usually a factor, depending on the country
of origin. In addition, there were added complications and burdens due to
having to file Foreign Agent Registration Act for foreign
clients.
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could not think of an instance in which Clark Weinstock, or 
Mercury had a foreign client, but didn't file FARA, except for with the
ECFMU. 
said Rick Gates
and Paul Manafort went to great to avoid filing FARA. It seemed
obvious FARA should have been filed.
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I Ihad just finished their meeting in which they decided to file
Lobbying Disclosure Act instead of FARA. not recall
for sure if Manafort was in the meeting at Mercury's office this day.



 

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have whether or not Mercury's work for
ECFMU was actually for the Ukrainian government or the ECFMU. These
conversations were prompted by emails and/or instructions from Gates for
Mercury to do things that seemed to be for the Ukrainian government.

 

 

 

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begin a FARA filing in the case of the ECFMU.
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filed. like the decision had been made already.
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but they chose not to.
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I have more information about this.

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read an article from 2016 in which Podesta Group employees are 
quoted as sources.

did not know who the Podesta Group sources were. not b6
recall anyone from Podesta Group being significantly uncomfortable with b7c
the ECFMU account.

asked about statements in the article in which Podesta Group b6
employees clearly knew ECFMU board members were also members of Ukrainian b7C
parliment. stated he knew ECFMU was related to the Party of
Regions but he did not know that ECFMU board members were also
members of Yanukovych's Parliment.

asked about a portion of the article which indicated Gates b6
told Podesta employees the purpose of ECFMU was to obscure the fact that b7C
the money was coming from POR through Gates and Manafort. 

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this topic.

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the issue of whether to file FARA or LDA. not b7c
know if Podesta Group usually consulted with for these matters.

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on in Mercury's relationship with ECFMU. b7c
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could not recall ifI Iwas familiar with ECFMU or not.

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in this meeting. did not think he brought upI Iduring
the meeting.

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Icould not recall her name. This meeting was toward the early b7C
or middle part of Mercury's relationship with ECFMU.
This person chastised for working with the "pro?Russian"
ECFMU. At the time,  bid not understand why she said that as he be
. . b7C
thought ECFMU was pro?European. not get into a deeper
conversation with this person about this topic. the comments
off to the fact that this person was known to be "anti?Russian". 
recalled wondering what her basis for this statement was as she was not
familiar with ECFMU.
Emails
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directed to the section of the email in whichl Iis b6

writing about meetings with the US Department of State. did not b7C

 

believe he, or Mercury were involved in setting up meetings for lat
the US Department of State. Typically, Podesta Group handled anything
related to the Department of State.

It would be abnormal for Mercury to set up meetings for a Ukrainian

 

 

politician's visit unless the Ukrainian government was Mercury's b6
client. this would have been organized by the Ukrainian b7C
Embassy.

shown an email from Gates dated b6
regarding riots in Ukraine following Yanukovych's decision to abandon b7C

Ukraine's efforts at membership with the European Union.

 

 

 

recalled being surprised by the change in policy by
Yanukovych. did not recall if, or how this affected Mercury's work b6
for ECFMU. knew Gates and Manafort worked with Yanukovych on his

. . b7C
campaign and Gates had directed Mercury on some
matters which seemed to be for the benefit of Yanukovych. 

 

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previously questioned Mercury's work for ECFMU as really being for

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yanukovych. All of that not recall how he interpreted b5
this email from Gates as it related to Mercury's work for ECFMU. b7C
This was toward the end of Mercury's work for ECFMU have b5
ignored the email altogetherrecollection of this email or the document to
which it refers.
5. was shown an email from
regarding violence and rioting in Ukraine. had no recollection of EEC
this email. the email and thought was asking Podesta
Group to lobby the US State Department to condemn the use of violence by
rioters.
shown an email from Gates datedl Iwhich be
referenced a blog about the state of post?Yanukovych Ukraine. b7C
had no recollection of this specific email. did
not regard the email at the time he received it because Gates was the type b6
of person to get worked up about everything. After reading the email, b?c

stated he would not have responded to the email as it did not
relate to his work as a lobbyist.

7. was shown an email from Gates b6

referenced an entity calledl Ihad no recollection of this b7C

 

 

 

 

 

email and did not knowl 

 

 

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after the ousting of Yanukovych. b7C
Copies of the emails shown to were placed in a 1A envelope and b5
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attached to this FD 302.



 

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Dateofentry 07/30/2018

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date of birth Iwith a social tic
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Dateofentry 06/08/2018

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofently 07/10/2017

DOCUMENT RESTRICTED TO CASE PARTICIPANTS

 

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This document contains information that is restricted to case participants. 

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born residing atI I
mobile telephoneI office telephoneI I e?
mail I was interviewed at his place of employment, the

 

Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), located at Liberty
Crossing II, McLean, Virginia. Present for this interview was the 
Principal Deputy (and Acting) General Counsel Bradley A. Brooker, office

 

telephone I Also participating in this interview were

Associate Special Counsel James L. Ouarles and FBI Special 
I After providing them the identities of the

 

 

 

interviewing agents and the reason for the 
admonished regarding 18 USC 1001 and the potential consequences for
making false statements during a federal investigation. Having indicated
his understanding of this provided the
following information:

 

 

 

 

IDuring Coats?s early weeks as
DNI, when he attended intelligence briefings at the Oval Office, on

 

several occasions Coats toldI I

 

 

 

 

the March 22, 2017 Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) in
the Oval Office, but remembered the exact date only by reading a news
article in the Washington not recall a specific
conversation that day involving Russia, and did not recall any occasion
when Coats said he felt he was being asked to do something specific

related to Russia.

the story about Trump making telephone calls to Coats
and National Security Agency Chief Mike Rogers, and remembered it because

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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it was the night of the Final Four and Coats commented he missed the b6
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about the call and described howl I b5 Per 
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afterwards, Coats may have mentionedl b? Per 
On several occasions, Coats commented about how
different things were under the current administration compared to prior
administrations. b5 Per FBI ODNI

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Usuallyl Iaccompanies Coats to the Oval Office briefings, then b3 Per ODNI

Iuntil Coats
leaves the Oval Office briefing. EitheJ usually
accompanies Coats. They do work during the car ride, genera ly arrive at

 

 

 

 

the EEOB around thirty minutes before the briefing, conduct a fifteen
minute prep session with Ted Gistaro and perhaps CIA Director Michael
Pompeo. They will strategize, then Gistaro, Pompeo, and Coats go to the

Oval Office and the others remain at the EEOB. iiferE315 mm:

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consulted his notes and determined on March 22, 2017, Coats went
straight from the Oval Office to a speech at the Department of State.
could not recall any details from that day, and thus assumed he did
not accompany Coats to that that either
or nobody accompanied Coats that day.

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was surprised to learn of Jim Comey?s termination. The only time b5
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the issue came up was after Coats?s nomination but before his
confirmation. Coats had dinner at the White House in a ?big group? and the
next day Coats asked ever one at dinner what he should
do with Comey. That was the only Comey being

discussed.

Coats knew and respected Comey based on Coats? time on the Senate
Intelligence Committee. Comey visited Coats within twenty four hours of
Coats? swearing in to brief him on the Russia investigation.

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Coats does not always remember details, is to give b7C

him a one minute overview of the topics likely to be discussed during his
meetings. Coats does remember when people ?slight him? and explained
people consider Coats to be a boy scout and he knows when people do the
right thing but he also remembers when people do not do the right thing.

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Acting General Counsel Brooker stated he would identify any classified
information discussed during this interview. Brooker made no such
statement during this interview.

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Dateofentry 11/03/2017

DOCUMENT RESTRICTED TO CASE PARTICIPANTS

This document contains information that is restricted to case participants.

David Laufman, Chief of the Department of Justice Counterintelligence
and Export Control Section (CES), was interviewed by FBI Supervisory
Special Special Agentl ISpecial Counsel b5
Prosecutors Andrew Weissmann, Greg Andres and Brian Richardson. After b7C
being advised of the identities of the interviewing parties and the nature
of the interview, Laufman provided the following informationper 

 

 

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 07/13/2018
Thursday, July 12, appeared at the Special Counsel's

 

 

 

 

office in Washington, DC in preparation for possible testimony at the
trial of Paul Manafort, Jr. Also present was Assistant United States

Attorney furnished the following information: b6 Per FBI 
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has testified in federal court in the Southern District of New York,

 

 

 

Department of Treasury Financial Crimes Enforcement Network 

 

 

 

 

Eastern District of New York, Boston, and before grand juries. has a
bachelors in accounting. She is a Certified Fraud Examiner and a Certified Antii
Money Laundering Specialist 1as worked as a Senior Special Acent at the

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mission is to protect the financial system of the United States. The
Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR) is a form required to be
filed when a U.S. person has an interest in foreign accounts. The purpose of the
form is to provide information about people, entities and transactions that
otherwise would be anonymous since foreign financial institutions are not subject

to the same rules as U.S. financial institutions. The information in the FBARs is
used to enforce laws. FBARs create a paper trail for transactions that would
otherwise be anonymous. The FBAR became law in 1972. The Internal Revenue

Service (IRS) was responsible for FBAR regulations and guidance until 1990 when
was formed.

Financial interest includes being the owner of record, having legal title, or
having other authority, including if someone is acting on your behalf . A U.S.
person must file an FBAR if they are not the signer on the account but if they
control the disposition of the funds, assets or property in the account through
direct communication or through agents and nominees. 1f the person has other
authority 7 they can direct movement of funds an FBAR is required.

FBARs are filed for the period of a calendar year. The current deadline
for FBAR filings is April 15 of the following calendar year. Generally,
for calendar years 2011 through 2014, the filing deadline was June 30 of
the following calendar year. The deadline might have been 
different due to the day June 30 fell each year.



 

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FBARs are filed electronically. Electronic filing became available in
2012 for the 2011 calendar year filing. Prior to 2011, FBARs were paper

filings. maintains their records in an electronic databas?msper FBI 
b7C Per FBI 

was asked to search the database for FEARS received from

 

 

 

 

January 1, 2001 through May 2018 for the following individuals and
entities: Paul Manafort, DMP International LLC, Richard
Gates, Davis Manafort Partners Inc, Davis Manafort Inc, Lil Red,

John Hannah LLC, Jesand Investments, LLC, Global Sites
LLC, LOAV Ltd, and Paul J. Manafort Jr. P.C. for FBARs filed from January
1, 2001 through May 2018. 

 

 

 

 

 

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 10/31/2017

On 10/23/2017, attorney Abbe LOWELL, was contacted telephonically by
Assistant Special Counsel Andrew Goldstein, Assistant Special Counsel
Zainab Ahmad, Assistant ecial Counsel Brandon Van Grack, ASAC b6
and LOWELL was accompanied by b7C
from his offices at Norton, Rose, Fulbright. LOWELL provided the following
information on behalf of his client, Jared KUSHNERper 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Dateofentry 01/15/2018
?b6 per FBI NCUA

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Division of Special Actions, National Credit Union

 

 

 

 

 

 

Association (NCUA) was interviewed by Special Agent I

 

 

Forensic Accountantl and Assistant Special Counsel Rush
Atkinson at Patriots Plaza I, 395 Street SW, Washington, DC 20546.

accompanied by NCUA's internal After being
advised of the identity of the interviewing offiCials and the nature of
the the following information:

 

 

 

The NCUA provides oversight of federally regulated credit unions. The NCUA
is the credit union counterpart to the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation (FDIC).

I I currently based New York, has worked for the NCUA for

years. Asl INCUA's Division of Special 
had oversight of problem cases. NCUA's Recional Director, based in

Albany, assigned problem cases to was

assigned cases in the region. A problem case was a credit union

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in danger of insolvency or with managerial, regulatory, or economic

 

problems. Currently,  Isix problem case officers.

 

team was responsible for working directly with the problem credit unions.

b6 per FBI NCUA
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Director. Currently, group had problem cases and two of bepernam

Some were delegated to him by the NCUA Regional

those cases were credit unions in conservatorship. MELROSE CREDIT UNION
(MELROSE) was one of those credit unions in conservatorship.

group's territory was all credit unions in New York, but the region
included all of New England, Michigan and Wisconsin.

New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) had regulatory
authority over MELROSE because it issued credit union state charters. NCUA
is the insurer of credit union funds. Credit unions paid an operating fee
into NCUA's insurance fund. NCUA was a regulator and participated with
DFS in regulatory oversight of MELROSE. If a state did not have a law or
regulation on a topic, the NCUA's regulation would be the default
regulation.

MELROSE was a taxi medallion credit union that started to experience
financial difficulty in 2015 because of the struggle of the taxi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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industry. MELROSE financed medallions in Chicago, Philadelphia, and New
York, all of which were struggling markets for taxis. net worth
deteriorated, and the credit union suffered losses.

In July 2015, NCUA tried to get MELROSE to implement safe and sound
lending practices. MELROSE's board and management did not follow through
to turn things around according to regulator recommendations.

In February 2017, DFS made the decision to place MELROSE into
conservatorship. NCUA established MELROSE's loan policy and worked to
refinance loans. primary goal was to minimize losses to the NCUA
insurance fund. secondary goal was to maintain service for MELROSE
members.

 

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MELROSE's Chief Executive Officer hired a Chief Credit Officer, a Chief
Lending Officer, and a Chief Operating Officer. Those officers were the
ones to interact directly with borrowers. NCUA served as the back office
and had high level oversight over MELROSE.

 

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nature of the interview, Manafort provided the following information:

Manafort opposed the arrest of Yulia Tymoshenko. Regardless of her
guilt, the arrest restricted Ukraine's ability to join the European Union
(EU). Manafort himself developed the idea for an audit and report on her
trial. Manafort wanted a reputable firm to perform the audit. Manafort
got Viktor Yanukovych to approve the creation of the report. After the
audit, Manafort planned for the firm to work with the Ministry of Justice
to correct any problems found during the audit.

The purpose of the report was to defend the trial process and result to
stakeholders, particularly in Europe but also in the United
States. Ukraine was considering filing an application to join the EU
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to the Clinton and Obama Administrations. Manafort reached out to Craig
through Manafort met Craig in Craig's office in Washington, D.
C. had already explained the project to Craig. Manafort told
Craig that Manafort's goal was getting Ukraine into the EU. Tymoshenko's
imprisonment was a setback to that goal. Manafort said he wanted an audit
of the trial and justice process.



 

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Manafort planned for the report to be submitted to European embassies
in Kyiv. There would be presentations on the high points of the report to
stakeholders in Berlin, Paris, Brussels and the United States. The
presentations would also highlight other reforms and advances being made
in the Ukraine. Manafort told Craig that the report would be published,
disseminated and explained but Manafort cannot recall whether he gave
Craig any details on these steps. Craig was intrigued but wanted to think
about it. Manafort does not recall whether the Foreign Agents
Registration Act (FARA) came up during this initial meeting. Manafort
does not recall discussing billing costs or payments at this first
meeting. In the meeting, or at least prior to the agreement, Manafort
told Craig that Craig needed to communicate the report's
findings. Because of his background and experience, Craig was a credible
spokesperson. Craig resisted but Manafort felt he could overcome the
resistance and establish a role for Craig.

Manafort made clear to Craig that the client was the Ukrainian

government. With the government as the client, Craig would have access to
its officials. Craig made the point that he needed

independence. Manafort told Yanukovych that the report could not be a
whitewash, its credibility depended on it being fair and independent. In

other words, it would be a Western?like report not a Russian?like report.

 

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needed for Skadden to have access to government officials for the
interviews. The Ministry of Justice and Ukrainian government could not
pay Skadden's rate without issuing a formal tender which would have opened
the process up to competition. Manafort had picked the person and firm he
wanted and did not want the contract going to the lowest bidder. Also,

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interview to Craig to alert him to a problem that he would have to deal
with. Deputy Kuzmin was very political and hated Tymoshenko. Manafort
sent comments to Craig throughout the process to push a finding of a fair
trial in the report but that was not the purpose here. Manafort was not
sending this interview in order to get negative information about
Tymoshenko in front of Craig to bias him against her. Regarding the
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Phase Two of the project training prosecutors and judges on the
reformed laws and regulations intrigued Craig. Manafort does not know
why Phase Two did not go forward, perhaps it was because the government
did not like the report or because Craig was worn out with the Ukraine
work. Manafort did not believe, and he did not discuss with Craig, that
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Manafort reviewed a 04/10/2012 Retainer Memorandum to the Ministry of
Justice from Gregory B. Craig. The letter came from Skadden. Craig
dictated its terms. The FARR language did not bother Manafort because he
believed Craig's promotion work could still focus in Kyiv. Manafort was
not happy about the limitation but the report would still have Craig's
name on it which could be used by Manafort's lobbyists in D.C. The
Skadden Report was part of a larger campaign to influence Western views of
the Ukraine and its reforms. Skadden's filing under FARA would have
required them to disclose the amount of money it was being paid and the
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Cm?mm?mu?FDGOZd?09'26'2018 ,On 09/26/2018 Manafort reviewed a document titled "Master Control Grid." Craig did
not sign off on his role identified in this document. Craig had made
clear to Manafort that Craig would not make political contacts. Manafort

is not aware of Craig contacting any politicians.

Manafort met with Hawker, Gates and perhaps Alex Van Der Zwaan in
Manafort's New York apartment to discuss the rollout plan. The next day,
Manafort, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Hawker, Craig and maybe Kilimnik met for
brunch at the Harvard Club. They ate in the main dining room, it was not
the right environment for an organized meeting. Manafort talked one?on?
one with Craig in the buffet line. Manafort pressed Craig to be part of
the rollout. Craig resisted. Craig agreed to entertain doing a New York
Times interview with David Sanger. Their conversation continued at the
table. After the lunch, Manafort was not happy, he had a rollout plan but
no face. The New York Times Sanger piece replaced the Bloomberg
placeholder in the plan. Manafort does not know why later versions of the
rollout plan do not list the New York Times or Sanger.

It was not cemented that Craig would talk with Sanger until right
before the report's release. Gates told Manafort that Craig agreed to
deliver the report to Sanger. Manafort believes that Van Der Zwaan told
Gates this. Gates told Manafort that Craig physically dropped off the
report with Sanger because they were neighbors. Gates said Craig had
talked to Sanger when he dropped off the report.

Manafort reviewed Manafort knew Craig's talking points
for reporters if they called. Yanukovych wanted a finding of no political
motivation for the prosecution, not just a finding that there was no
evidence of political motivation. Craig and Manafort went back and forth
on this point.

Manafort reviewed a document titled "Key Points About
the Skadden Report." The document was to be given to people that spoke
out on behalf of the Report. The points track the conversations between
Manafort and Craig on what Manafort wanted stressed and what Craig was
willing to say. The points are consistent with Craig's points in the New

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York Times article. Craig never said that the New York Times article
would be favorable. Manafort assumed it would be favorable because Craig

and Sanger were friends.

Manafort used Van Der Zwaan as a backchannel to communicate with
Craig. Craig trusted Van Der Zwaan. Manafort asked Gates to get Van Der
Zwaan to convince Craig to give the Report to the New York
Times. Manafort planned to be the final hammer to convince Craig if
necessary. Manafort did not need to talk with Craig after the Harvard
Club because Gates told Manafort that Craig agreed to do it.

Craig used FARR to push back at the Harvard Club. Craig said he would
not meet with government officials or the media. Manafort focused on the
New York Times as a way to get his foot in the door with Craig. Craig
said he would explain the findings to Sanger.

Manafort reviewed Manafort created the
document. Under Manafort was responsible for convincing Craig to do
more with the media.

In October 2012, the Ukrainian language version of the Report was being
created. During this time, Manafort and Craig had several conversations
about the Report's key findings. Manafort was trying to find an agreement
between what the Ukrainian government wanted and what Craig would
say. Craig explained his decision to find no selective prosecution, as
opposed to using the term political prosecution. Craig explained that
selective prosecution included a finding that there was no evidence of
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consistent with what Manafort told Yanukovych to expect.

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interviewed in Washington DC. Also present were government attorneys :36
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sold on the secondary market. With conventional loans, TFSB typically
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cases, the loan may be underwritten by TFSB, or by the investor buying the
loan, or both. In general, portfolio loans have less strict underwriting
guidelines. Approximately 90% of loans originated by TFSB are sold on the
secondary market.

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months, a higher interest rate of 7.25% interest rate, and higher closing

costs of 2?3 points. Generally, borrowers seeking portfolio loans need b6

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during this interview for portfolio loans and not for Freddie Mac/Fannie

Mae loans.

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liaison between the borrower and TFSB. Documents and information
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through the third party broker. two years tax b6
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a schedule of real estate (RED) and a credit report. The purpose of

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tax returns have not yet been filed to determine a borrower's

income. Similarly, TFSB requires bank statements and REO schedules to
determine a borrower's assets. TFSB looks at the borrower's credit report
to not only see the credit score, but see if the borrower has any
judgments, bankruptcies or other issues. TFSB places emphasis on the
value of the collateral and the use of cross?collateralization to secure
the loan. As such, properties owned by the borrower and the equity
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and terms were subject to conditions being met. not sure who
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collateral. TFSB placed more emphasis on LTV than on debt?
to?income (DTI). That said, TFSB had denied loans because the borrower's

DTI was too high.

DTI is the ratio of the borrower's income versus the borrower's

debts. TFSB factors in any and all debt obligations for which the
borrower is personally responsible. If debt belongs to a business or
corporation and the borrower is not a guarantor or personally responsible
for that debt's repayment, it is not included in their debt. TFSB is
relying on the borrower to disclose whether or not they are personally
responsible for some debt that does not appear on their credit report.

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properties in which they have an ownership interest. Mainly, TFSB is
looking for other assets the borrower has that may be used as cross?
collateral. TFSB is also looking at the debt the borrower carries on
other properties. Only properties with equity can be used as cross?
collateral. In addition, debt obligations for other properties is
factored into the borrower's DTI.

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Any time a loan resulted in cash out proceeds in excess of $500,000,
commercial lenders are required to as for an explanation as to the use of
proceeds. TFSB also required such an explanation on their portfolio
loans. not sure why an explanation was needed or if there were
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was told Manafort needed to document his income
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Manafort's Union St. loan was different from the Bridgehampton loan
because it was a construction loan, it was for a shorter term and the
primary source of repayment was the sale of the property upon
completion. As such, less emphasis is placed on the borrower's income
and more emphasis is placed on the collateral value.

was asked if more emphasis was placed on collateral value, why a
$6.5 million loan was approved for a property that was valued at

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construction so the property can be sold and the loan can be repaid. The be
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Generally, Citizens Bank requires borrowers to provide proof of income

and assets such as, pay stubs, 2 months bank statements, mortgage

statements and a list of other properties owned. Borrowers also answer a

series of questions about their income, assets and liabilities on a

questionnaire at the beginning of the loan process. Once this general

information is reviewed, follow up questions are usually asked such as,

explanation of large deposits or inquiries on credit report.

Citizens Bank offers a number of different loan programs such as,

portfolio loans, jumbo loans and conventional loans; fixed rate, ARM, and

interest only loans; and initial purchase loans, refinances, and

construction to permanent loans. The riskier the loan program, the

stricter the guidelines are. For example, interest only loans have

stricter guidelines than fixed rate loans.
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For initial purchase loans, the loan amount is typically based on the
value of the property and/or contract purchase price, whichever is
lower. For construction to permanent loans, the loan amount is typically
based on the future and/or completed vlaue of the property. Sometimes,
these loans involve construction holdback accounts. For refinance loans,
the loan amount is based on the value of the property. There are
different types of refinances loans: refinance for the purpose of
restructuring an existing mortgage and/or consolidating debt and refinance
for cash out purposes.



 

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Loan to value ratio (LTV) is the amount of loan versus the value of the
property. Citizens Bank has maximum thresholds for LTV depending on the
loan type, loan amount, and occupancy. Generally, the higher the amount
of loan, the lower the LTV threshold. Any loans over $3 million are
required to go to an exception underwriter who determines LTV. Riskier
loans generally have lower LTV thresholds. Primary residence loans have
the highest LTV and investment properties have the lowest LTV
thresholds. not sure exactly why this was, but she be
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primary residence.

primary residence to be a property the borrower b6
lives in more than 6 months per year. Second residence is a property the b7C
borrower lives in less than 6 months per year and does not generate income
off of. Investment or income property is a property the borrower does not
live in and is often income generating. The occupancy type for a loan is
provided by the borrower in documentation they submit to the bank.

Debt to income ration (DTI) is the amount of money the borrower makes
versus the amount of money the borrower owes. Citizens Bank's maximum
threshold is 45% DTI. an exception could be made for b5
higher DTI. DTI thresholds are determined based upon the loan type and b7C
occupancy. For example, for loans over $3 million, the maximum DTI is

30%. Again, believed there could be exceptions for this.

DTI was important to the bank because ensured the borrower could pay
back the loan. The borrower provided information to the bank such as, tax
returns, W2s, pay stubs, retirement accounts etc. to support income. The
borrower provided some information on their debt to the bank in the loan
application and list of other properties owned. The bank also learned
about debt from the borrower's credit report and withdrawals from bank
statements.

The bank would not know about any pending liabilities unless the
borrower disclosed them. The borrower was required to disclose any
pending debt to Citizens Bank. When the credit report is run, the
borrower is asked about any recent credit inquiries and whether they
resulted in new debt. Citizens Bank relies on the borrower to provide
this information.

The exception underwriters would look at all loan origination documents
and relevant factors to determine whether or not to grant an exception to
LTV or DTI.



 

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they can rebut the value by providing rebuttal comparables and/or other
information. This rebuttal is given to Citizens Bank's internal appraisal
team for review and if deemed to have merit, it is sent to the original
appraiser for consideration. This is not common, but it happens. In the
seen, the value is rarely changed more than
$100,000.

Citizens Bank does not lend to foreign nationals at all. Borrowers can
have foreign assets and foreign income, but it must be claimed on their US
tax returns to be considered as income for the purpose of the loan.

For refinance transactions, underwriting requires the borrower to write

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income to date. can be created by the borrowers themselves. They do

not have to be audited by a CPA. The borrower must sign off on the 

to certify accuracy.

Citizens Bank relied on the borrower to provide accurate information
regarding their income. for previous years would tie to tax return
information. However, for the current year, a tax return would not be
available and a could be provided instead. If a was created based
upon expected income, it needed to make sense when compared to previous
years' income. Citizens Bank would look at previous years' income when
assessing a that many businesses make the bulk b5
of their revenue at the end of the year. If a borrower was applying for a b7c
loan prior to that revenue generating time, their year?to?date may not
show much income, but their based upon expected income
would. Citizens Bank would look back at the last couple of years to see
what the full yearly income was and compare it to the 
provided. Ultimately, Citizens Bank was trusting the borrower to provide
accurate information.

 

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was not sure why this was.

Citizens Bank did not do much due diligence on properties to determine
if they were indeed primary or second residences. Citizens Bank did look
at tax returns to see if there was any rental income or depreciation which
would indicate the property was a rental.

If Citizens Bank knew a property was a rental, they would require a
copy of the lease and it would affect the loan terms. Citizens Bank did
not lend on any properties used for Airbnb. This was because Airbnb
rentals were too risky for Citizens Bank and they did not provide
consistent income. Citizens Bank relied on the client to tell them if the
property was a rental.

 

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too low to pay off the existing liens and leave money for
construction. In addition, Manafort had a "fall from grace" and the bank
decided they did not want to lend to him.
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issues with Manafort's income as it pertained to
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Dateofentry 09/28/2017

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